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| 00:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I really should delete my spam instead of letting it pile up |
| 00:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sitting at... 22k different emails in my spam folder |
| 00:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 21911 to be exact |
| 00:43.49 | findlay | ~spam ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:43.52 | ibot | ACTION subscribes ScytheBlade1 to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for ScytheBlade1 to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 00:44.00 | findlay | fun |
| 00:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty close to that as-s |
| 00:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *is |
| 00:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not sure who I should feel sorry for: me, or my delete key |
| 00:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ spam subject line: "When you install Windows XP use the famous Windows XP corporate key that has its own page on Wikipedia." |
| 00:53.44 | bonez39 | ScytheBlade1, are you running SA to score your email , as spam or not? |
| 00:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | bonez39, no spam protection at all, just thunderbird's filter |
| 01:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, there's 7100 down./ |
| 01:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | -/ |
| 01:20.16 | ben_ | so, anybody have recommendations for components in building a 'home' server to stick on my utopia line? |
| 01:20.21 | ben_ | intel? amd? mb? |
| 01:59.19 | vontrapp | quit yer bragging about utopia lines |
| 01:59.41 | bytheway | and my 8 xmission ips |
| 01:59.44 | bytheway | don't forget those |
| 02:00.32 | vontrapp | -lart bytheway |
| 02:00.59 | vontrapp | at least i know now you'll never get that server configured! hahaha |
| 02:01.13 | bytheway | heh |
| 02:01.35 | goozbach | bytheway: any homes for sale on your street |
| 02:01.36 | goozbach | ? |
| 02:02.00 | bytheway | yeah,used to be one, not anymore |
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| 02:02.25 | goozbach | drat |
| 02:02.31 | goozbach | elg is here |
| 02:02.39 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 02:03.06 | bytheway | do I remember right that intel core 2 beats the amd x2 at the same price points? |
| 02:22.51 | rsimpkins | Wish I could be at the meeting. :( |
| 02:26.34 | levi_home | Anyone here at the meeting now? |
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| 02:39.43 | jsmith | findlay: Did you see http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/12/14/0040216.shtml? |
| 02:42.31 | vontrapp | ~onjoin - _Snyder_ |
| 02:42.31 | ibot | ok, vontrapp |
| 02:42.41 | vontrapp | ~onjoin _Snyder_ |
| 02:42.41 | ibot | onjoin for _snyder_ set by maquis on Mon Dec 11 14:37:17 2006: please remove swearing from your quit message... ~the ops |
| 02:42.55 | vontrapp | ~onjoin _Snyder_ - |
| 02:42.55 | ibot | vontrapp: ok |
| 02:43.01 | vontrapp | ~onjoin _Snyder_ |
| 02:43.01 | ibot | onjoin for _snyder_ set by vontrapp on Wed Dec 13 19:42:55 2006: - |
| 02:43.10 | _Snyder_ | um, whats going on? |
| 02:43.16 | vontrapp | bah, i give up |
| 02:43.22 | vontrapp | _Snyder_: i was trying to unset it |
| 02:43.29 | _Snyder_ | ah |
| 02:43.40 | _Snyder_ | I had no idea my away message had swears |
| 02:43.57 | bytheway | I'm guessing its the "qwest" |
| 02:44.00 | vontrapp | something about kids, apparently |
| 02:44.10 | bytheway | ;-) |
| 02:44.13 | _Snyder_ | um.... ok. well, its news to me. |
| 02:44.29 | _Snyder_ | Hope I dont get a-booted or something. |
| 02:45.10 | vontrapp | not likely, you usually get fair warning before such actions ;) |
| 02:45.35 | _Snyder_ | Ah, good good. |
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| 02:46.07 | _Snyder_ | hehe, my 2 month old is trying to talk but is just making noises. Its awesome. |
| 02:47.05 | levi_home | _Snyder_: It was your quit message; it said something like 'time to feed the f*ing kids' |
| 02:47.36 | _Snyder_ | Yeah, the birth alone was one hell of an expense |
| 02:48.42 | levi_home | We got hit with the birth, plus a bunch of visits to the pediatrician and hospital for jaundice stuff, etc. |
| 02:49.00 | vontrapp | yow |
| 02:49.20 | _Snyder_ | indeed |
| 02:49.21 | mrpull- | if it is bragging time, I had two kids in the NICU for a month |
| 02:49.23 | levi_home | Plus a couple of trips to the emergency room because we were overly cautious. |
| 02:49.31 | _Snyder_ | You win |
| 02:49.31 | mrpull- | but had fantastic insurance |
| 02:49.32 | levi_home | mrpull-: You win! |
| 02:49.50 | mrpull- | only $1K out of pocket for about $250K of bills |
| 02:50.25 | vontrapp | mrpull-: what fantastic insurance did you have? |
| 02:50.34 | mrpull- | BCBS |
| 02:50.56 | bytheway | dang, our BCBS sucks |
| 02:51.05 | bytheway | of course, it's blue cross cali |
| 02:51.26 | mrpull- | I think ours is of Delaware... wife works for a BIG company that provides good benefits |
| 02:51.31 | vontrapp | my wife's parents are with blue cross i think |
| 02:51.36 | vontrapp | in cali |
| 02:52.03 | bytheway | they've been nothing but a pain for us |
| 02:52.07 | vontrapp | man, what would that be like, working for a company that provides benefits |
| 02:52.10 | bytheway | of course, we're in utah, so we get that headache |
| 02:52.23 | bytheway | trying to get cali insurance to pay for utah drs |
| 02:53.10 | vontrapp | bytheway: yeah, apparently when we got married it was some real big deal to get my wife off her parents driver insurance |
| 02:53.17 | vontrapp | i still don't understand why |
| 02:53.34 | bytheway | we've still got maternity bills from july that bc-cali hasn't paid on |
| 02:53.40 | vontrapp | something about coverage and liabilities |
| 02:56.08 | _Snyder_ | I cant figure out hoe to change my away message. Im using Colloquy on a mac and Im not too savy with it |
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| 03:09.18 | levi_home | I can't find any Colloquy setting for it. |
| 03:09.30 | _Snyder_ | No worrys |
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| 03:22.37 | _Snyder_ | Damn computer froze. |
| 03:22.51 | vontrapp | i thought it was a crying baby |
| 03:23.21 | _Snyder_ | Hehe, na, but she was crying earlier. Thank god thats over. For now. |
| 03:23.35 | _Snyder_ | She will wait untell Im going to sleep to start that again. |
| 03:23.54 | vontrapp | so does it use the latest away message for your quit message or something? |
| 03:24.17 | _Snyder_ | I really cant say. |
| 03:25.26 | levi_home | Yay, reddit is back. |
| 03:25.34 | _Snyder_ | It is!?! |
| 03:25.51 | _Snyder_ | Oh, im going right away. |
| 03:25.58 | rsimpkins | mrpull-: What hospital were your kids at? |
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| 03:29.09 | mrpull- | rsimpkins: U of U |
| 03:30.04 | mrpull- | in reality it wasn't too serious. just born several weeks early... but otherwise very healthy |
| 03:30.13 | mrpull- | compared to the others we had an easy time |
| 03:34.50 | herlo | Has the PLUG meeting ended yet? |
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| 03:52.50 | vontrapp | herlo: guess not |
| 03:52.58 | herlo | vontrapp: k tx |
| 03:53.30 | vontrapp | well i'm just guessing since nobody is answering they're probably at a meeting or something ;) |
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| 03:56.30 | herlo | vontrapp: true, true |
| 03:58.14 | Tene | plug meeting is lacking in people. |
| 03:58.52 | Supaplex | are they all in #plug? where's our conf?! |
| 04:00.04 | herlo | Supaplex: Provo, not Philly |
| 04:00.25 | Tene | Oh, that's Philadelphia |
| 04:00.39 | Supaplex | yea so :) |
| 04:00.45 | Tene | Hey, I go to Philadelphia sometimes. |
| 04:00.49 | Supaplex | i'm up near Hill AFB |
| 04:01.02 | herlo | Tene: I almost went there once |
| 04:01.16 | Supaplex | last time I was into Philly was a steak and cheese ;) |
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| 04:11.14 | levi_home | Jayce^: How was the meeting? |
| 04:11.34 | Jayce^ | interesting.. |
| 04:11.44 | Jayce^ | going through general questions right now.. |
| 04:12.10 | levi_home | It's harder to me to get to plug meetings when I'm out of classes. |
| 04:12.42 | levi_home | What Perl6 stuff was covered? |
| 04:12.57 | Jayce^ | mostly basics.. |
| 04:13.02 | Jayce^ | how to do your basic usage |
| 04:13.23 | levi_home | "Like Perl5, except not quite so nasty" |
| 04:13.57 | Supaplex | foo = bar ~ baz; |
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| 04:14.47 | levi_home | I'm finding Perl to be an awful occasional use language. I'm always grepping around the perldocs for the right syntax for things. |
| 04:14.55 | Tene | really? |
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| 04:15.56 | levi_home | One of my many projects is a program written in perl, and if I can stay on it for a couple of days, I can get productive. But then I'll have to work on something else for a month, and I come back totally worthless at perl again. |
| 04:17.41 | levi_home | On the other hand, the perldocs are good enough to refresh my memory fairly quickly, and there's enough stuff there to get stuff done even if I'm not 100%. |
| 04:21.54 | Tene | Oh, somehow I was reading "occasional use" as "as often as tene uses it" |
| 04:23.40 | herlo | Jayce^: when you guys get done, there are two of us that are gonna call in probably. How hard would that be to do? |
| 04:24.21 | Jayce^ | well, I could call out to 1 |
| 04:24.29 | Jayce^ | dunno how to conf more from here |
| 04:24.37 | herlo | Can I call in? |
| 04:24.50 | herlo | If so, I can conference in one more before I call |
| 04:28.48 | Jayce^ | ummmm... gotta find the phone number for this room |
| 04:37.00 | Supaplex | no sip? |
| 04:53.56 | findlay | jsmith: just now |
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| 04:55.20 | jsmith | findlay: Just thought you'd be interested |
| 04:55.27 | findlay | ~onjoin _Snyder_ |
| 04:55.34 | findlay | jsmith: indeed |
| 04:56.43 | findlay | I've had the Philips complete works of Mozart and in the back of each book of program notes for each volume it has a reference to the very website |
| 04:56.56 | findlay | I didn't know it would be so awesome though |
| 04:57.44 | findlay | no more digging through websites designed in 1992 for obscure, out of print editions of Mozart's organ works, or the Salzburg symphonies |
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| 05:18.20 | findlay | Newsome: what do you think about PJ's blog gradually evolving over the years into a open source legal editorial? |
| 05:18.57 | Newsome | it's gotten a lot more interesting over the years, that's for sure |
| 05:19.36 | findlay | yes |
| 05:19.50 | findlay | if you mean diverse == interesting |
| 05:20.15 | findlay | interesting too |
| 05:23.04 | Newsome | SCO's stock is hovering around $1 currently, and they're really scrambling since the judges have pretty much seen through all their lies |
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| 05:38.30 | findlay | ~quote scox |
| 05:43.03 | herlo | ~quote UAL |
| 05:43.17 | herlo | ibot: do you only show NASDAQ? |
| 05:43.20 | ibot | yes, I only show NASDAQ. |
| 05:43.26 | herlo | ibot: thanx |
| 05:43.26 | ibot | herlo: de rien |
| 05:43.32 | findlay | ibot: do you? |
| 05:43.34 | ibot | ACTION does you. |
| 05:43.39 | Supaplex | haha |
| 05:47.55 | rsimpkins | mrpull-: still around? |
| 05:48.13 | rsimpkins | mrpull-: Guess not, catch ya later. :) |
| 05:51.46 | Supaplex | ? |
| 05:51.56 | Supaplex | delayed reaction, or something new? |
| 05:52.12 | findlay | way delayed |
| 05:52.22 | nick125_lappy | I looked it up on google finance |
| 05:53.03 | nick125_lappy | in the first week that SCO stock was being sold (march 31st 2000 - april 7th 2000), they dropped $29 |
| 05:53.33 | Supaplex | should have sold short |
| 05:54.11 | nick125_lappy | the only time SCO stock prices raised was mid 03 to mid 04 |
| 05:54.18 | nick125_lappy | then it went back down |
| 05:54.31 | nick125_lappy | and it's still falling |
| 05:57.38 | Newsome | look at the last month on the chart, and compare with the times that the judge's rulings has come out: November 29, and November 30, in particular |
| 05:59.43 | Newsome | http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart2:symbol=scox;range=1m;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined |
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| 14:19.40 | goozbach | morn gooden |
| 14:20.16 | graphyx | morn gooden boozgach |
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| 14:39.14 | ^Migs^ | North Korean state media have claimed that Kim "enjoys golf, having shot multiple holes-in-one during his first try at the game. He reportedly aced five holes and finished 38 under par on the golf course."[5] They also claimed that Kim has composed six operas [6]. |
| 14:39.16 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 14:40.11 | ^Migs^ | haha, Kim Jong-Il has a Napoleon complex |
| 14:41.03 | graphyx | have you ever had the misfortune of reading mission earth? |
| 14:49.12 | redbeard1 | mission earth sounds familiar |
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| 14:55.11 | elg | haha. "PHP security holes have a name — quite often it was Stefan Esser who found and reported them. Now Esser has quit the PHP security team. He feels that his attempt to make PHP safer "from the inside" is futile. |
| 14:56.50 | atoponce | ^Migs^: and apparently, at his first try at bowling, he scored a perfect game |
| 14:57.23 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 14:59.08 | goozbach | GNUSOLARIS!? |
| 14:59.16 | goozbach | why didn't anyone tell me about this |
| 14:59.23 | goozbach | Nextena!? |
| 14:59.38 | atoponce | opensolaris |
| 14:59.49 | goozbach | I knew about opensolaris |
| 15:00.18 | goozbach | but there's a ubuntu clone running on top of opensolaris' kernel |
| 15:01.00 | goozbach | nextenta I mean |
| 15:01.02 | goozbach | GARG! |
| 15:01.19 | atoponce | yeah. i've seen nextenta. pretty cool |
| 15:05.00 | atoponce | i'd be interested in trying it if the *whole* kernel was Free |
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| 15:10.03 | *** topic/#utah is Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | emcnabb wants a duck for Christmas |
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| 15:10.59 | goozbach | ibot: welcome back |
| 15:11.00 | ibot | Hey, back! Glad you could join us. |
| 15:11.08 | goozbach | not like that.... |
| 15:11.24 | goozbach | ibot: say goodnight ibot |
| 15:11.25 | ibot | goodnight ibot |
| 15:11.36 | goozbach | ok that was funnier in my head |
| 15:32.05 | ^Migs^ | funnier in my head, too |
| 15:34.59 | goozbach | ~say goodbye ibot |
| 15:35.00 | ibot | goodbye ibot |
| 15:35.04 | goozbach | that's better |
| 15:37.15 | atoponce | firewire flash drives: what's the point? |
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| 15:53.06 | *** topic/#utah by phinux -> Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | emcnabb wants a duck for Christmas. BYU Unix Users Group will have Michael Torrie present on ZFS Thursday Dec 14th, 730pm, 340 CTB. |
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| 16:11.06 | redbeard1 | stupid comment spammers |
| 16:11.50 | ^Migs^ | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/12/MNG8TMU1KQ1.DTL |
| 16:11.55 | ^Migs^ | "It's an incredibly violent video game," said Stevens. "Sure, there is no blood. (The dead just fade off the screen.) But you are mowing down your enemy with a gun. It pushes a message of religious intolerance." |
| 16:14.31 | ^Migs^ | An Evangelical Christian-based religiously intolerant game???!!! Unthinkable! |
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| 16:23.30 | ^Migs^ | oh, this is cool: http://www.google.com/patents |
| 16:28.26 | Supaplex | been there :) |
| 16:28.57 | ^Migs^ | stfu |
| 16:29.09 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleslap Supaplex |
| 16:29.15 | ibot | ACTION beats Supaplex upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:29.16 | levi | I love the random patents at the bottom. |
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| 16:29.33 | calvarez | h'llo |
| 16:29.57 | calvarez | who is Michael Torrie? |
| 16:30.19 | levi | Michael Torrie is Michael Torrie. |
| 16:32.05 | calvarez | recursive definitions |
| 16:32.10 | calvarez | what language do you use again? |
| 16:32.12 | calvarez | Lisp? |
| 16:32.13 | calvarez | go figure |
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| 16:33.03 | ^Migs^ | everyone should use Lisp |
| 16:33.29 | calvarez | no, everyone should use PHP for non-web stuff |
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| 16:59.03 | maquis | spr: nice |
| 16:59.07 | maquis | which one are you taking? |
| 16:59.18 | spr | UI Design |
| 16:59.45 | spr | There's nothing that really applies to the job I've taken, and I think the world needs better OS UI design. |
| 17:01.00 | maquis | spr: where'd you get a job? |
| 17:01.17 | spr | HP, down in Cupertino. |
| 17:01.19 | maquis | "Sustained winds of 40 to 60 mph will be likely along western Washington and Oregon. Coastal areas, as well as higher mountains along inland areas, could see gusts over 80 mph, with local gusts over 100 mph." <-- eeps! |
| 17:01.24 | maquis | spr: cool! that sounds fun |
| 17:01.44 | spr | Yeah, I'm going to be on one of the HP-UX QA teams. Coding in Perl and C :) |
| 17:01.56 | Jayce^ | at least there is perl.. :) |
| 17:01.57 | maquis | sweet |
| 17:01.57 | levi | maquis: Mmm, wind. |
| 17:02.02 | maquis | "Waves are already running 15 to 25 feet along coastal Washington and Oregon, but will be increasing to as high as 35 feet in a few locations." |
| 17:02.05 | levi | Ew, perl and C. |
| 17:02.30 | spr | Jayce^: they said they'd ship me off to OSCON too, if it's in the budget :) |
| 17:02.40 | Jayce^ | that's always good |
| 17:02.49 | maquis | spr: nice... i'm jealous |
| 17:03.03 | maquis | granted, when i talked to HP a couple years ago, i had a bad experience with the recruiter |
| 17:03.13 | maquis | but it sounds like you'll be doing some sweet stuff |
| 17:03.21 | spr | maquis: bummer. |
| 17:03.36 | spr | Of course, you're working somewhere with a much lower cost of living :) |
| 17:04.12 | maquis | spr: we're not that much lower... |
| 17:04.21 | levi | Yeah, Seattle ain't cheap. |
| 17:04.32 | maquis | we are lower than cupertino... but not much else |
| 17:04.57 | spr | :) |
| 17:05.30 | levi | I have a couple of friends in California, and they managed to find reasonable housing and such. |
| 17:05.59 | maquis | spr: i'm sure the weather will be good down there... |
| 17:05.59 | levi | One lived in Cupertino for a while before moving to the middle of SF. |
| 17:06.51 | spr | maquis: I know, they had me out there a few weeks ago. It was really nice. |
| 17:06.57 | maquis | spr: nice |
| 17:07.20 | maquis | i don't think our weather today would encourage many people to move to seattle |
| 17:08.19 | spr | maquis: All depends on what you're used to. My brother is very happy with the weather there. |
| 17:08.38 | maquis | spr: sure... but grey is still not my favorite color in the world |
| 17:08.52 | spr | :) |
| 17:08.58 | maquis | :) |
| 17:10.11 | mrpull | i love this: http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=ipod |
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| 17:14.08 | levi | Hmm. Blending an iPod for entertainment is one thing, but who would BUY an already-blended iPod? |
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| 17:17.44 | mrpull | i don't know why anyone would buy it, but I like watching the destruction! |
| 17:20.25 | levi | Grr, sound-juicer is not tagging my mp3s. |
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| 17:26.00 | graphyx | I think that the warrentee on that puppy is gone. |
| 17:29.59 | maquis | levi: well... you could try sticking your ipod in the sound-juicer |
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| 17:59.26 | ^Migs^ | is it just me, or are half of all new theatrical releases remakes of old movies? |
| 18:00.07 | levi | Nope, they do a lot of remakes these days. |
| 18:00.49 | maquis | Eragon looks like a good movie... it comes out tonight... |
| 18:02.05 | levi | I'll probably see that with my team at work. |
| 18:02.23 | levi | There's not much out right now that looks really good. |
| 18:02.33 | maquis | i'm almost done with the book (started it monday), so i'm going to wait until after i get to finish it before i go see the movie |
| 18:02.38 | maquis | the book is really good, though |
| 18:02.40 | levi | At least not of general interest. |
| 18:02.49 | maquis | (and the author is currently 19 years old) |
| 18:03.32 | bonez39 | the author of Eragon is just 19? |
| 18:03.36 | atoponce | 19 years? how could that be? i have had the book since jr high.... |
| 18:03.49 | maquis | atoponce: that's what the back of the book says... |
| 18:03.54 | dataw0lf | yea, he makes quite a few 'young writer' mistakes, but Paolini wrote it when he was 15, and it's quite good taking that into consideration. |
| 18:04.06 | maquis | i heard he was really young when he wrote it, so i looked in the back of the book (which i bought < 1 week ago), and it says he's 19 |
| 18:04.13 | atoponce | odd. i wonder if it's the same story then |
| 18:04.27 | macnewbold | that book was published 10 years ago |
| 18:04.29 | macnewbold | he's 29 now |
| 18:04.35 | macnewbold | j/k, I have no idea |
| 18:04.38 | maquis | it's amazingly good... especially when you take all that into account |
| 18:04.49 | atoponce | my eragon book is a thin green paperback i got from those scholastic book program things |
| 18:04.55 | dataw0lf | yea, he graduated at high school when he was 15, and started writing it then. |
| 18:05.05 | maquis | atoponce: how many pages? |
| 18:05.21 | atoponce | still. i got the book ~15 years ago |
| 18:05.26 | maquis | i'm currently on page 380 or so in my copy... and i've still got a ways to go on it |
| 18:05.45 | atoponce | maquis: not sure. not that big. maybe 250 or so, just guessing |
| 18:05.55 | maquis | might be a different book, then |
| 18:06.18 | atoponce | could be. it is definitely titled 'eragon' though |
| 18:06.52 | dataw0lf | well, Eragon by Paolini was published in 2001 or 2002 |
| 18:07.10 | atoponce | s/on/uhn/ |
| 18:07.21 | atoponce | ibot: wrong |
| 18:07.26 | ibot | from memory, wrong is http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/top10/wrong.html |
| 18:07.26 | macnewbold | uragoon |
| 18:07.31 | Jayce^ | actually, he's 23 now |
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| 18:08.12 | maquis | ah |
| 18:08.29 | maquis | atoponce: i don't see any other "eragon" books in amazon... sorry |
| 18:08.30 | maquis | :) |
| 18:09.38 | dataw0lf | dude, David Eddings lives like 10 miles from me! |
| 18:09.54 | atoponce | hmmm. i'm going to have to dig it up when i get home. i'm curious now |
| 18:09.56 | Tene | who's that? |
| 18:09.56 | spr | dataw0lf: can you tell him his most recent books suck? |
| 18:10.44 | dataw0lf | spr: no kidding. |
| 18:10.53 | dataw0lf | spr: Belgarath the Sorceror was awesome, though. |
| 18:11.21 | spr | dataw0lf: Yeah it was. I enjoyed The Redemption of Athalus too. |
| 18:12.39 | dataw0lf | haven't read that one |
| 18:12.47 | Jayce^ | yeah his recent series repeats itself so much, it's ridiculous.. |
| 18:12.55 | Jayce^ | but althalus was a fun, quick read |
| 18:13.45 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 18:13.46 | dataw0lf | I'll have to pick it up |
| 18:13.55 | ^Migs^ | you'll have to drop by David Eddings' house and say HEEEEY WHAT'S UP YO? |
| 18:14.10 | Jayce^ | so I'm guessing he moved from spokane finally? |
| 18:14.24 | Jayce^ | used to teach up at WSU |
| 18:14.25 | levi | I read the Belgariad and the Mallorean and the one with Sparhawk et al., but then I got sick of him. |
| 18:14.41 | Jayce^ | Elenium and Tamuli are the sparhawk ones |
| 18:14.44 | levi | I read those back in high school, and they were pretty much the coolest thing ever back then. |
| 18:14.52 | levi | I think I only read the Elenium, then. |
| 18:15.04 | Jayce^ | they are good.. simple, and fun.. |
| 18:15.17 | levi | And pretty much the same thing over and over again. |
| 18:15.20 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea, he's living in Carson City |
| 18:15.39 | dataw0lf | jeez Eddings is old |
| 18:15.42 | atoponce | sounds like harry potter |
| 18:15.44 | Jayce^ | levi, guess you never got into dragonlance then :) or the even *lower* levels of repeatability |
| 18:16.01 | levi | Jayce^: I read the original Weis and Hickman ones. |
| 18:16.20 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: best is the Twins series |
| 18:16.26 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah there are *tons* of ones that just use the same canned stuff now |
| 18:16.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, twins is fun.. |
| 18:16.40 | levi | Jayce^: Tracy Hickman dedicated one of the Dragonlance books to a former coworker of mine who went to high school with him or something. |
| 18:16.50 | dataw0lf | Raistlin throws down on Takhisis, I mean, c'mon, that was sweet |
| 18:16.59 | levi | Jayce^: I also read some of the Drizzt books. |
| 18:17.09 | ^Migs^ | hahaha you're all nerds |
| 18:17.12 | Jayce^ | levi, my sister knows them a lot, of course she is pretty well known in that community |
| 18:17.19 | ^Migs^ | Wheel of Time > anything else |
| 18:17.24 | levi | Hah. |
| 18:17.28 | levi | I'm so sick of Wheel of Time. |
| 18:17.39 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, yeah, I like a lot of dragonlance, and similar, but so many folks just clone it it's tiring |
| 18:17.40 | ^Migs^ | me too, actually. I quit reading the series midway through the 4th book |
| 18:17.41 | levi | Used to be SO into it. Played on Wheel of Time MOOs and stuff. |
| 18:17.53 | Jayce^ | 1....book...left..... |
| 18:17.57 | ^Migs^ | actually, I wasn't even reading, which wouldn't have been so bad. I was listening to it...UNABRIDGED...on AUDIO BOOK |
| 18:18.06 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 18:18.07 | levi | Yow. |
| 18:18.08 | dataw0lf | WoT is meh |
| 18:18.17 | ^Migs^ | Wheel of Time is meant to be skimmed, obviously, and I can't believe I made it that far |
| 18:18.20 | ^Migs^ | great story, but sheesh |
| 18:18.23 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I just like the first two trilogies |
| 18:18.26 | ^Migs^ | Robert Jordan sure likes to hear himself write |
| 18:18.44 | levi | WoT started out really cool, but he really needed stronger editorial control. |
| 18:18.46 | dataw0lf | *scritch* *scratch* *scritch* |
| 18:18.59 | dataw0lf | yea, he needs to learn how to trim the bloat |
| 18:19.04 | levi | He's got some crazy disease he could die from before he finishes, too. |
| 18:19.11 | Jayce^ | yeah, figures.. |
| 18:19.21 | Tene | meant to be skimmed? |
| 18:19.55 | ^Migs^ | I got tired of hearing about how there was all kinds of different food at all the inns |
| 18:20.03 | ^Migs^ | and plump barmaids |
| 18:20.21 | ^Migs^ | he's diseased? |
| 18:20.40 | dataw0lf | he's a crazy guy, went to Vietnam and got a bunch of medals, then got his undergrad in physics, now he's got like 4 years to live |
| 18:20.43 | ^Migs^ | see, this is why authors shouldn't drag out their book series. They could die at any moment, leaving millions of fans pissed. |
| 18:21.28 | macnewbold | no kidding |
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| 18:25.45 | spr | I just started the Song of Fire and Ice series, it'll just be 7 books. |
| 18:25.46 | levi | From his blog, RJ seems like a pretty decent guy. He really likes writing books, he's just not very good at keeping his stories under control. :) |
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| 18:25.56 | ^Migs^ | ghost writers can sometimes be quite good. Isn't Robert Ludlum's ghost writer supposed to be quite awesome? |
| 18:26.03 | Jayce^ | levi, it's like feature creep |
| 18:26.12 | levi | I don't want to start reading any series that's not already finished. |
| 18:26.16 | Jayce^ | spr, yeah, that series bugged me though, didn't get past the second book |
| 18:26.28 | ^Migs^ | that's what's nice about David Eddings. His series actually have ends. |
| 18:26.39 | levi | ^Migs^: Well, they don't when he's in the middle of them. |
| 18:26.42 | Jayce^ | overly depressing at times, a little too graphic at others.. |
| 18:27.05 | spr | Jayce^: Yeah, I can agree with that. |
| 18:27.08 | ^Migs^ | I like Discworld, because each book is independent of the others in the series |
| 18:27.20 | levi | I really liked Guy Gavriel Kay's books. |
| 18:27.24 | ^Migs^ | yes, but Eddings doesn't drag them out |
| 18:27.41 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, apparently you started reading them *after* they were finished.. |
| 18:27.49 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, ping |
| 18:27.51 | spr | ^Migs^: I love discworld. It takes up a lot of my bookshelf. Then there's my Dad who has all of them. |
| 18:28.00 | goozbach | punkbuster! |
| 18:28.02 | goozbach | boom! |
| 18:28.04 | Jayce^ | the last book of the tamuli series finally was released while I was in the MTC, after a long time... really really sucked |
| 18:28.12 | goozbach | I'm enjoying pastwatch |
| 18:28.16 | levi | Kay's latest books have been informed by a lot of real history. |
| 18:28.22 | goozbach | it's an Orson Scott Card book |
| 18:28.24 | goozbach | very good |
| 18:29.19 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gavriel_Kay |
| 18:30.02 | ^Migs^ | oh man, I do too |
| 18:30.13 | ^Migs^ | I have most of the Discworld books in audio book form. I made it up to book 13, I think |
| 18:30.18 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't mind finishing the rest. Great stuff. |
| 18:30.48 | macnewbold | goozbach: pastwatch is great! |
| 18:30.52 | macnewbold | he's doing another one too |
| 18:30.54 | levi | I've read a few of the Discworld books. Good stuff. |
| 18:31.04 | macnewbold | first is about columbus, the next one is noah and the flood iirc |
| 18:31.15 | ^Migs^ | which ones did you read, levi? |
| 18:31.39 | macnewbold | I've got hard copy and audio books of the majority of OSC's stuff |
| 18:31.40 | ^Migs^ | I wish I had the punnery skills of Terry Pratchett |
| 18:31.49 | macnewbold | ~spell punnery |
| 18:31.56 | macnewbold | ~confuse ^Migs^ |
| 18:31.57 | ibot | no who was your hamster yesterday ? |
| 18:32.21 | levi | ^Migs^: I don't remember. A couple about Death, one or two about Rincewind, and one or two about the Witches. |
| 18:32.21 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 18:32.21 | levi | It's been a while. |
| 18:32.31 | levi | The last one I read, and the only recent one, was Carpe Jugulum. |
| 18:32.33 | ^Migs^ | probably some of the same ones I read. I went in order, but it's been a couple years. |
| 18:32.38 | levi | Which was actually a little depressing. |
| 18:32.46 | ^Migs^ | haven't read that one |
| 18:32.46 | maquis | carpe jugulum? that sounds kinda scary |
| 18:32.51 | macnewbold | haha |
| 18:33.05 | levi | maquis: It's about witches and vampires. |
| 18:33.17 | maquis | levi: ah... the vampire part makes sense, i guess... |
| 18:34.04 | levi | BTW, Kay worked with Christopher Tolkien on editing the Silmarillion. |
| 18:34.30 | Supaplex | spiffy |
| 18:34.58 | Supaplex | wikipedia wants your brain :) |
| 18:35.02 | spr | I always tell people to start Discworld by reading the first two (Color of Magic and Light Fantastic), then move on to anything in the series |
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| 18:35.50 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's true |
| 18:36.04 | ^Migs^ | my favorite so far is Mort |
| 18:36.27 | ^Migs^ | seriously, Terry Pratchett has this strange knack for explaining the most ridiculous impossible scenarios in an easy-to-understand way |
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| 18:36.34 | SB1-Laptop | ... wrong button. |
| 18:36.40 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, I retract that ping. ; |
| 18:36.42 | SB1-Laptop | * ;) |
| 18:36.46 | levi | Kay's Fionavar series is /very/ powerful. Definitely worth reading for anyone who likes Tolkien-style high fantasy. |
| 18:38.13 | ^Migs^ | "high fantasy"? What's that? |
| 18:38.36 | ^Migs^ | Xanth seems like it would be a good series, too. Haven't read it, though. |
| 18:38.52 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy |
| 18:41.19 | levi | Deals with heroes, quests, magic, and big struggles between good and evil. That kind of stuff. |
| 18:42.02 | ^Migs^ | don't all fantasy novels have those basic elements? |
| 18:43.08 | levi | Not necessarily, but it's certainly very widespread. |
| 18:43.48 | levi | Kay's later books were much more historical fantasy, telling tales of political struggles between nations with hints of magic and such. |
| 18:44.19 | ^Migs^ | I think the first fantasy series I ever read was Fred Saberhagen's Swords |
| 18:44.39 | maquis | there's a series where the first book is "Sing the Light"... that one's pretty interesting |
| 18:45.19 | ^Migs^ | hmmm, not familiar with that one |
| 18:45.25 | ^Migs^ | is this it? http://www.amazon.com/Sing-Light-Louise-Marley/dp/0441002722 |
| 18:47.39 | ^Migs^ | one of my coworkers really likes historical fantasy novels, like Bernard Cornwell's Warlords Chronicles, or Wilbur Smith, or Barry Sadler's Casca |
| 18:52.46 | bonez39 | NE recommendations about where to buy parts, drives, systems? I am putting a box together for my son..for Christmas...planning on getting it at EBC..anyone have other favorite suppliers here in Sandy? |
| 18:54.15 | Supaplex | now that mountain west micro is the dead, you don't have to avoid them :P |
| 18:55.06 | macnewbold | their prices are usually decent, but watch out for their customer service/warranty - they have a habit of reboxing returned parts and sending them out another time or two, and trying to stick people with the junk at the customer's expense rather than eating the DOAs themselves like they should. Sometimes you have to get a little pushy with their managers, making a fuss in front of other customers, before they'll do the right thing. |
| 18:55.41 | bonez39 | DOA, dead on arrival? |
| 18:55.44 | macnewbold | so check your stuff to make sure it looks new before you walk out of the store |
| 18:55.45 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 18:55.56 | macnewbold | and make sure that serial numbers on parts match the serial number printed on the box |
| 18:56.07 | bonez39 | ok......I'll check it all out.....great advice.... |
| 18:56.18 | bonez39 | do they assume that most will never verify that sort of thing? |
| 18:56.38 | macnewbold | another place we get stuff is Software&More - ask for Dave Barrett and tell him Code Greene sent you - they're on 4716 S Highland Dr (272-9425) |
| 18:56.41 | maquis | what advantage do they get from reselling things they know are DOA? i mean... the user is going to notice it's DOA... |
| 18:56.41 | bonez39 | I was going to grab him a box at Used Computer Warehouse, but they would be more than what I could put together myself... |
| 18:56.41 | macnewbold | yeah, they hope people won't check |
| 18:56.51 | macnewbold | really? how much did they want there? |
| 18:56.52 | bonez39 | ah, by Cottonwood mall |
| 18:56.58 | macnewbold | I've never been, but have considered trying it |
| 18:57.23 | bonez39 | macnewbold, they have dell optiplex......1 year old....$399.00 |
| 18:57.33 | macnewbold | their ads make it sound like they're screaming deals |
| 18:57.33 | levi | Some good reviews of Kay's Fionavar books: http://www.brightweavings.com/reviews/revfionavar.htm |
| 18:57.35 | bonez39 | for the time and trouble, I'd rather have new... |
| 18:57.49 | macnewbold | hm, that's not terrible, but yeah, for $200 more you'll have a new box |
| 18:58.06 | maquis | less than that with dell... |
| 18:58.25 | macnewbold | yeah, I've gotten some pretty good stuff at dell the last few times I've used them |
| 18:58.28 | Supaplex | macnewbold: they're still around eh? |
| 18:58.28 | bonez39 | not really much of a savings..... |
| 18:58.49 | macnewbold | Supaplex: which? EBC? yeah, by some miracle |
| 18:58.56 | Supaplex | software+more |
| 18:59.00 | macnewbold | oh, yes |
| 18:59.02 | macnewbold | yeah, they are |
| 18:59.14 | macnewbold | just changed ownership in fact, so they're going to have some changes for the better coming this next year |
| 18:59.14 | maquis | my aunt asked me to order a dell for her (she was specific that it *must* be a dell), and i was able to get her a new computer, lcd monitor and a new printer/fax/copier/scanner for 650$ |
| 18:59.34 | macnewbold | yeah, that sounds about right |
| 18:59.46 | macnewbold | when buying a pc, you can get a good deal on monitors from them usually |
| 18:59.52 | macnewbold | and some of the monitors are really nice |
| 18:59.53 | bonez39 | maquis, amazing how determined people get after watching a few ads...that it must be product xyz........ |
| 19:00.01 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 19:00.04 | maquis | bonez39: yeah... |
| 19:00.10 | ^Migs^ | I've had generally good experiences with Dell, anyway |
| 19:00.23 | maquis | i don't trust dells, generally |
| 19:00.31 | maquis | i've had enough roommates that had them... |
| 19:00.37 | ^Migs^ | that's all we lease here at the district |
| 19:00.47 | ^Migs^ | and getting rid of old Compaqs |
| 19:01.00 | maquis | the one thing going for dell is that so far, i've had pretty good experience with their tech support |
| 19:01.18 | maquis | although i hate the fact that they've actually called me 3 times since i ordered the computer for my aunt... |
| 19:02.08 | maquis | the base system with dell is pretty well-priced, but the add-ons are over-priced |
| 19:02.34 | macnewbold | unless they're doing them free... |
| 19:02.34 | maquis | my aunt needed a floppy-drive because everything she has from her old machine (including all the software installers and such) is floppy-only |
| 19:02.48 | maquis | it was like 30$ to add a floppy drive |
| 19:03.19 | maquis | if i had any hope that my aunt might be able to find someone to install a drive for her, i would've taken the floppy drive out of my desktop and shipped it down to her |
| 19:03.27 | macnewbold | I got a very nice free 19" LCD monitor (similar models sold other places for no less than $250) with a $750 PC that I would have been willing to pay about $600-$650 for |
| 19:03.36 | macnewbold | yeah, the floppy drives are terrible |
| 19:03.51 | maquis | and they were selling surge protectors for $45 |
| 19:04.00 | macnewbold | but who needs a floppy drive any more :) |
| 19:04.05 | macnewbold | yeah, those are a ripoff too |
| 19:04.18 | maquis | macnewbold: a lot of people who buy from dell... |
| 19:04.20 | ^Migs^ | were they at least 3.5" floppies and not 5.25"? |
| 19:04.28 | maquis | ^Migs^: yeah.. 3.5 |
| 19:04.59 | macnewbold | only thing like that I've ever gotten from them was a UPS, and it was priced about the same as what I've had to buy them from the stores too |
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| 19:13.50 | nick125- | elg! |
| 19:13.57 | findlay | hello |
| 19:14.03 | bonez39 | no one even makes the 5.25 drives anymore |
| 19:14.08 | nick125- | what's up guys? |
| 19:14.13 | bonez39 | hi nick125 |
| 19:14.29 | findlay | stale conversation |
| 19:16.35 | bonez39 | that damned 5.25" drive...kille it |
| 19:16.38 | bonez39 | killed |
| 19:16.54 | nick125- | haha |
| 19:18.34 | bonez39 | either that or it's my EFHUTTON persona ..that silences everyone |
| 19:23.26 | ^Migs^ | I want to become a diamond: http://jewelry.about.com/cs/syntheticdiamonds/a/lifegem_diamond.htm |
| 19:26.55 | ^Migs^ | that way, I could bequeath myself on my descendants |
| 19:27.13 | ^Migs^ | in fact, all my family could become diamonds, and make the Migs ring, then later turn it into the Migs bracelet, then the Migs necklace. Generations of Migslings as diamonds. |
| 19:27.56 | goozbach | yeah, freaky |
| 19:28.02 | goozbach | I'm just going to become an AI |
| 19:28.14 | ^Migs^ | One giant ever-growing family heirloom |
| 19:28.18 | ^Migs^ | that would be SWEET |
| 19:28.33 | goozbach | then I'll help some Mnemnoic courier spread discord |
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| 19:40.11 | goozbach | any UofU CS students here? |
| 19:40.56 | macnewbold | goozbach: former, not current |
| 19:41.18 | ^Migs^ | what about Weber CS students? |
| 19:41.27 | ^Migs^ | don't we count? |
| 19:42.05 | graphyx | not very well |
| 19:42.50 | macnewbold | ~rimshot |
| 19:42.58 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 19:52.00 | ^Migs^ | I wish lunch breaks didn't exist. People at work get lazy because of lunch breaks. |
| 19:52.27 | ^Migs^ | They disappear for an hour, during which time productivity suffers. Everyone should either learn to go without lunch, or bring food and eat it while they work. |
| 19:52.39 | dataw0lf | I love eating while I work |
| 19:53.39 | ^Migs^ | I usually go without lunch, but I always enjoy eating lunch when I bring one, and eating it WHILE I work. |
| 19:54.02 | ^Migs^ | then I use the half-hour to hour break time to actually get work done, not just wasting it chatting it up with the coworkers or stuffing my face with fast food |
| 19:54.25 | levi | ^Migs^: It's not break time if you're not taking a break. |
| 19:54.54 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 19:55.01 | levi | Isn't ^Migs^ so /righteous/? Giving up his break for the greater good of the company! |
| 19:55.20 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 19:55.30 | ^Migs^ | this has nothing to do with being /righteous/ (???) |
| 19:55.39 | ^Migs^ | it's entirely about being productive |
| 19:55.56 | ^Migs^ | the problem is everyone else has grown accustomed to regular breaks, which are unnecessary |
| 19:56.06 | macnewbold | that depends whether you're on the company's time or your own... |
| 19:56.18 | macnewbold | breaks are a physical necessity to good health and well being |
| 19:56.30 | macnewbold | that's part of why it's the law that everyone get some, no? |
| 19:57.10 | ^Migs^ | I don't even go home earlier because I give up my breaks |
| 19:57.23 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 20:02.35 | maquis | hmm... |
| 20:02.45 | maquis | i eat my lunch while reading thedailywtf.com sometimes... |
| 20:02.52 | dataw0lf | why give up breaks? |
| 20:03.10 | dataw0lf | I think it's been proven in numerous cases that that hurts productivity, it doesn't help |
| 20:03.17 | maquis | the only time i actually take a full lunch break, though, is when the team goes to lunch (and that's the only time anyone on my team actually takes time off to eat) |
| 20:05.40 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: are you salaried, or do you get compensation for extra hours you work? |
| 20:06.42 | ^Migs^ | salaried |
| 20:07.19 | macnewbold | so are you working more than the mutually agreed expected amount of time? |
| 20:07.28 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 20:07.35 | maquis | macnewbold: does anybody who's salaried actually only work 40 hours / week? |
| 20:07.47 | macnewbold | do you get any kind of compensation, even verbally, for doing that? |
| 20:07.51 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 20:07.53 | macnewbold | maquis: at my job they are |
| 20:08.05 | ^Migs^ | I guess sometimes my boss says "thanks for staying late", but he hasn't said that in awhile |
| 20:08.13 | ^Migs^ | I think it's just understood that I tend to work longer than I'm supposed to |
| 20:08.24 | dataw0lf | you'd be (or should be) wrong |
| 20:08.56 | maquis | macnewbold: slackers :P |
| 20:09.02 | macnewbold | maquis: all our salaried people are expected to do 40/week (minus holidays/vacation time) |
| 20:09.05 | dataw0lf | working late irregularly is part and parcel of the package. But working late constantly with no compensation is wrong. |
| 20:09.10 | macnewbold | any extra time they work they can take as extra time off |
| 20:09.20 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: Nice. |
| 20:09.30 | macnewbold | or in some cases, we give them a bonus at their normal hourly rate for extra time when it is significant and they don't want to take it off later |
| 20:09.50 | maquis | macnewbold: wow |
| 20:09.52 | macnewbold | (if _we_ make them stay late and work more, we pay overtime (1.5x) rather than just their normal hourly rate) |
| 20:09.56 | macnewbold | btw, we're hiring ;) |
| 20:10.23 | dataw0lf | we have a bonus system set up for overtime worked. |
| 20:11.05 | ^Migs^ | meh, that's a perk. We don't get perks here. We get benefits. |
| 20:11.08 | dataw0lf | it works out to about 1.5x, but it's given out monthly, not biweekly like our regular paychecks. |
| 20:15.15 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: what are your benefits like that they outweigh benefits+perks? |
| 20:15.46 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: that's how ours are too, except it isn't 1.5 if they want extra hours rather than us wanting them to work extra hours |
| 20:16.25 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: yup, same here. |
| 20:16.52 | ^Migs^ | we get inexpensive but great insurance, lots of money plopped automatically into our retirement accounts, stable job... |
| 20:17.11 | ^Migs^ | basically, I'm at a point where I simply can't be fired |
| 20:17.35 | macnewbold | we've got great health insurance here too, and we haven't ever fired anyone |
| 20:17.41 | dataw0lf | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu-jobs/2006-December/000079.html |
| 20:17.41 | ^Migs^ | unless I do something really really stupid, I suppose, but then the union kicks in and all that crap. Unions generally suck, imo |
| 20:17.44 | dataw0lf | now that's a job! |
| 20:17.48 | dataw0lf | I sure wish I worked there... |
| 20:18.25 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't take a new job for anything less than 70k |
| 20:18.44 | macnewbold | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 20:18.47 | dataw0lf | well, 55k is the bare minimum I thought you could be guaranteed with. |
| 20:19.36 | dataw0lf | realistically, with a couple years experience or a B.S., you could get 65-75k |
| 20:20.11 | ^Migs^ | well, that's kind of where I am. I'd like to find a Senior development position soon here. |
| 20:20.27 | dataw0lf | oh, that's not a senior dev job. |
| 20:20.35 | ^Migs^ | no, it's not |
| 20:20.38 | ^Migs^ | plus, it's PHP. |
| 20:20.46 | ^Migs^ | it seems you can only go so far with PHP. |
| 20:20.52 | ^Migs^ | that's just my opinion, though |
| 20:21.18 | dataw0lf | well, I work as a senior web dev there using both PHP and Python. Language specifics are meaningless, at least in web dev. |
| 20:21.59 | ^Migs^ | oh, that's cool |
| 20:22.18 | ^Migs^ | in SLC, it seems there's plenty of Java/J2EE positions opening up, and not so many PHP, so I want to stick with what I'm doing now |
| 20:22.36 | ^Migs^ | it would be especially nice to take a SLC position once the Light rail is built between Ogden and SLC |
| 20:22.40 | dataw0lf | you'd have to pay me a whoooole lot more than 70k to work in Java. |
| 20:22.48 | macnewbold | ~java-- |
| 20:23.17 | ^Migs^ | most senior levels are more than 70k |
| 20:23.35 | ^Migs^ | I've seen a few even more than 100k, but not often. Usually it's around 85k-95k |
| 20:23.54 | dataw0lf | well, I don't have senior knowledge of Java, but even a software engineer II I'd be asking for at least 90k |
| 20:24.08 | ^Migs^ | is the cost of living where you are comparable to northern Utah? |
| 20:24.10 | herlo | dataw0lf: but I though you loved Java? |
| 20:24.14 | dataw0lf | herlo: har har |
| 20:24.21 | macnewbold | no, that's python |
| 20:24.22 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: yup. |
| 20:24.52 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: I pay around 800 for a 2 bedroom, expansive apartment in a nice area of town. |
| 20:24.56 | ^Migs^ | well, my standards aren't quite that high. Generally working for the state doesn't pay much anyway. |
| 20:25.09 | ^Migs^ | what about house prices, though? |
| 20:25.26 | ^Migs^ | if I wanted to buy a 2400 sq ft house, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, how much? |
| 20:25.39 | ^Migs^ | let's say .2 acre yard |
| 20:25.47 | dataw0lf | growth is huge here, there are various nice, new communities springing up all over the place in the foothills. |
| 20:26.03 | ^Migs^ | I just realized I don't even know where "here" is. Where do you live? |
| 20:26.05 | dataw0lf | I'm not tuned in to house prices so much. 280k, maybe? |
| 20:26.07 | dataw0lf | Reno |
| 20:26.11 | ^Migs^ | ah, okay |
| 20:26.19 | ^Migs^ | yeah, real estate is nice there |
| 20:26.58 | dataw0lf | whole area is nice. Got California just across the mountains, Tahoe is a 25 minute drive, good weather. |
| 20:27.02 | maquis | yipes... that's a good price for a house |
| 20:28.46 | ^Migs^ | well, it's about twice as much as around here, but dataw0lf said he's not too tuned into house prices |
| 20:29.02 | ^Migs^ | I bought my house, which is actually a little more than the specs I said, for about $140k |
| 20:29.11 | dataw0lf | where? Ogden? |
| 20:29.27 | ^Migs^ | Roy |
| 20:29.44 | dataw0lf | can't remember where that is |
| 20:29.47 | ^Migs^ | west of Ogden |
| 20:30.06 | dataw0lf | oh, jeez, southwest of south Ogden |
| 20:30.10 | dataw0lf | well, I mean, c'mon dude |
| 20:30.32 | ^Migs^ | I think you're thinking Washington Terrace |
| 20:30.34 | ^Migs^ | Roy is a nice area |
| 20:31.05 | dataw0lf | I dunno, the houses here put most I saw in Utah to shame. |
| 20:31.20 | levi | dataw0lf: Where were you looking in Utah? |
| 20:31.50 | dataw0lf | levi: the foothills of SLC and around that area |
| 20:32.31 | findlay | utah houses are bloated |
| 20:32.32 | levi | Most of my experience looking at houses is in the Draper area and out towards Herriman. Lots of development going on in both places. |
| 20:32.52 | levi | There are some ridiculously fancy houses going up near the temple site in Draper. |
| 20:33.17 | findlay | I worked on some of them |
| 20:33.17 | dataw0lf | I'm not so into 'fancy', I'm more into modern log cabin type dealies. |
| 20:33.18 | *** join/#utah neybar (n=jalance@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 20:33.31 | findlay | 'Park City style' |
| 20:33.36 | dataw0lf | jea. |
| 20:33.37 | findlay | there's some of that in the valley |
| 20:33.38 | levi | Haven't seen too many of those in this area. |
| 20:33.53 | findlay | mostly elitist neighborhoods and such |
| 20:34.17 | dataw0lf | yea, I don't like that, I like em in the mountains and fairly far away from my nearest neighbor |
| 20:34.50 | dataw0lf | the type of area where you can zero your m4 on a 25 yard range, y'know ? |
| 20:34.52 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 20:35.39 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:36.13 | levi | I'm sure there are plenty of places you could get a home like that built for a reasonable price in Utah, but they wouldn't be anywhere near any reasonable employment. |
| 20:36.32 | dataw0lf | I got a really good compliment from some kid my brother is friends with: 'you're the most conservative liberal I've ever met!' |
| 20:36.40 | dataw0lf | I don't know exactly what it means. |
| 20:36.43 | dataw0lf | but it sounds ok. |
| 20:37.09 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:37.32 | levi | Perhaps it means you're a liberal that likes guns? |
| 20:37.44 | dataw0lf | and hates illegal immigrants! |
| 20:38.00 | findlay | dataw0lf: you might try the valley west of SLC where land is much cheaper and it's a 30 min ride into SLC on I-80 |
| 20:38.06 | dataw0lf | I could probably put those two fundamental beliefs together somehow... |
| 20:38.07 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 20:38.23 | dataw0lf | findlay: isn't that Magna? |
| 20:38.28 | findlay | or Kanab or something, a 40 min ride in the other direction |
| 20:38.37 | maquis | kanab... |
| 20:38.44 | maquis | that just sounds like a utah name |
| 20:38.45 | findlay | dataw0lf: no Magna is just before the mountains |
| 20:38.54 | dataw0lf | oh, gotcha |
| 20:38.58 | dataw0lf | south..west? |
| 20:39.05 | levi | Magna is a hole. |
| 20:39.10 | findlay | north, right on I-80 |
| 20:39.14 | dataw0lf | a festering hole. |
| 20:39.31 | findlay | maquis: it's probably an Indian word |
| 20:39.36 | dataw0lf | findlay: I've lost all of my SLC compass skills |
| 20:40.55 | maquis | findlay: sure... but it sounds like it would be a biblical (OT) name... which just fits with utah |
| 20:41.50 | findlay | heh |
| 20:41.59 | levi | findlay: What part of the valley west of SLC are you talking about? |
| 20:42.16 | findlay | levi: I don't know, anywhere |
| 20:42.33 | levi | Like, out past the mountains? |
| 20:42.39 | findlay | I understand it's generally cheaper there |
| 20:42.41 | findlay | yes |
| 20:42.55 | findlay | and out as far as Grantsville, there's lots of space |
| 20:43.14 | goozbach | levi: grantsville, stansberry park |
| 20:43.16 | goozbach | that area |
| 20:43.23 | levi | Yeah. |
| 20:43.26 | goozbach | over the oqurihh moutains |
| 20:43.35 | goozbach | and magna is NOT a hole |
| 20:43.36 | levi | Not a particularly nice area, but it's probably still not too expensive. |
| 20:43.45 | goozbach | stansberry park is nice |
| 20:43.56 | levi | I've driven through it not too long ago. |
| 20:43.57 | goozbach | as nice as the stuff at the south of the valley |
| 20:43.59 | levi | Both of them. |
| 20:44.03 | findlay | although it's quite deserty and no trees and stuff |
| 20:44.14 | goozbach | findlay: it IS UTAH. |
| 20:44.24 | goozbach | you want trees and stuff move to florida like I did |
| 20:44.31 | findlay | there are trees in the higher altitudes where it rains |
| 20:44.35 | goozbach | utah is a desert |
| 20:44.53 | dataw0lf | like, florida is better... :\ |
| 20:44.55 | findlay | most of Utah is a desert |
| 20:45.05 | goozbach | dataw0lf: good point |
| 20:45.20 | levi | Florida is too flat. |
| 20:45.28 | goozbach | I stand by my assertion that Magna is NOT A HOLE! |
| 20:45.29 | dataw0lf | I'll trade hurricanes and trailer parks and bugs bigger than your head and outrageous humidity for a desert any day of the week |
| 20:45.30 | levi | And gets periodically pummeled by hurricanes. |
| 20:45.43 | levi | goozbach: And I think you must be on crack. |
| 20:45.50 | dataw0lf | he probably got it in Magna |
| 20:46.15 | findlay | and bug noise |
| 20:46.39 | dataw0lf | yea, I don't deal with summers that sound like a tour through Jurassic Park too well. |
| 20:47.16 | dataw0lf | when I was living in Southern Indiana I seriously spent three nights without sleeping trying to find one cricket |
| 20:47.22 | findlay | Nevada is deserty too |
| 20:47.33 | dataw0lf | 'tis |
| 20:48.01 | dataw0lf | and midwest crickets don't do a little mournful 'chiiiirp', either. They sound like rabid dogs |
| 20:48.18 | goozbach | dataw0lf: the bugs are only as big as, not bigger than |
| 20:48.31 | dataw0lf | goozbach: oh, point taken. |
| 20:48.36 | levi | I've only driven through Indiana. Didn't really look like a place I'd like to stay. |
| 20:48.41 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.49 | goozbach | they scamper ever so cooly |
| 20:49.06 | goozbach | most of magna is not a hole |
| 20:49.10 | levi | El Paso, TX is a hole, too. In an entirely different way than Magna, though. |
| 20:49.12 | dataw0lf | it's only a matter of time until they find a roach that's exploded trying to eat an alligator in Florida. |
| 20:49.20 | dataw0lf | levi: Well, El Paso is the KING of holes |
| 20:49.30 | goozbach | there are places in magna I wouldn't go after dark |
| 20:49.41 | goozbach | but there are places like that in west valley too |
| 20:49.46 | goozbach | more of them even |
| 20:49.53 | levi | Magna isn't very big. |
| 20:49.56 | levi | It's a hole. |
| 20:49.56 | goozbach | and west valley != magna |
| 20:50.05 | dataw0lf | Salt Lake, in general, is pretty safe. |
| 20:50.20 | dataw0lf | I don't think I ever really saw what I'd call a 'not go out at nighter' neighborhood there |
| 20:50.26 | goozbach | dataw0lf: you haven't walked the streets in WV at night |
| 20:50.48 | findlay | I've ridden the bus through West Valley at night |
| 20:50.52 | dataw0lf | I think I have. And got jumped by 4 guys |
| 20:50.52 | findlay | several times |
| 20:50.54 | dataw0lf | ask optikal, he was there |
| 20:50.57 | dataw0lf | (if he's in here) |
| 20:51.00 | findlay | the good old 142 |
| 20:51.05 | findlay | those were fun days |
| 20:51.11 | levi | I drove through Magna on 8400 W. Looked pretty much like a hole. |
| 20:51.17 | findlay | nights, actually |
| 20:51.19 | goozbach | bah magna, is not a hole |
| 20:51.32 | goozbach | 8400 != magna |
| 20:51.48 | macnewbold | *cough* magna? um, last I checked... |
| 20:51.54 | levi | Dude, 8400 intersects the word 'Magna' on the map. |
| 20:51.59 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:51.59 | levi | It's a freakin' hole. |
| 20:52.29 | macnewbold | and the water is another story... I usually prefer not to see what I'm showering in |
| 20:52.46 | dataw0lf | or smell like eggs afterward |
| 20:52.54 | goozbach | macnewbold: but you can get all your essential minerals in one glass of tap water |
| 20:53.10 | macnewbold | and some non-essential too... |
| 20:53.19 | redbeard1 | i used to live in magna |
| 20:53.26 | redbeard1 | what's this about it being a hole? |
| 20:53.30 | goozbach | you mean that poloinum isn't essential? |
| 20:53.35 | goozbach | redbeard1: is magna a hole? |
| 20:53.39 | macnewbold | drink 64 oz. a day, and you'll overdose |
| 20:53.41 | goozbach | I say no |
| 20:53.52 | goozbach | I never drank the water there |
| 20:53.59 | redbeard1 | old magna (just about anything west of 8400) is a hole |
| 20:54.03 | dataw0lf | you don't drink the water |
| 20:54.05 | dataw0lf | you eat it |
| 20:54.07 | goozbach | when I lived their anyway |
| 20:54.22 | dataw0lf | you could probably ingest Magna's water with a fork |
| 20:54.36 | redbeard1 | i used to drink magna water all the time. it was way safer than barrington, new hampshire water |
| 20:54.50 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you used to live in magna? |
| 20:55.35 | goozbach | redbeard1: yup, just off of 8000 and 3100 |
| 20:55.48 | dataw0lf | dang, I wish they wouldn't give massages in the break room, I need the rest of my refrigerated pizza, but I feel weird walking in while someone is grunting while another strokes their muscles |
| 20:55.49 | goozbach | behind the sheep corral |
| 20:55.49 | redbeard1 | goozbach: how long did you live there? |
| 20:56.02 | goozbach | couple of years |
| 20:56.07 | maquis | dataw0lf: that's weird |
| 20:56.14 | redbeard1 | behind the sheep corral? i used to walk to school by there |
| 20:56.25 | dataw0lf | maquis: what is? |
| 20:56.27 | goozbach | redbeard1: as long as I worked at Guru I lived in magna |
| 20:56.34 | mrpull | dataw0lf: nekkid massage? |
| 20:56.46 | dataw0lf | mrpull: thankfully, no. I think Bill from HR is in there right now. |
| 20:56.57 | goozbach | redbeard1: the small yellow house behind the one that was on 8000 |
| 20:57.01 | goozbach | that's where I lived |
| 20:57.03 | mrpull | even still, the lunch room isn't the place for that |
| 20:57.09 | redbeard1 | oh man. i know that house. |
| 20:57.25 | dataw0lf | no, you just have to walk through the break room to get to the fridges and kitchen room |
| 20:57.29 | goozbach | lets see. 03-06 I think |
| 20:58.09 | goozbach | that's when I lived there |
| 20:58.20 | redbeard1 | goozbach: that's trippy. half that time is between when i got back from new hampshire, and when i got married. we were almost neighbors. |
| 20:58.44 | goozbach | ALMOST NEIGHBORS!? |
| 20:58.50 | goozbach | wow, freaky |
| 20:58.52 | Supaplex | and now you're side by side on irc. how quaint. |
| 20:58.52 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:58.59 | goozbach | awwww.... |
| 20:59.10 | goozbach | and just think. |
| 20:59.18 | redbeard1 | goozbach: remember that cooking demo i did at byu? where i first met you? |
| 20:59.24 | redbeard1 | i was living in magna then. |
| 20:59.24 | Supaplex | no, think hurts right now. |
| 20:59.31 | goozbach | you didn't even know who I was when I was helping you cook |
| 20:59.47 | goozbach | yup I've still got the pic |
| 20:59.57 | goozbach | at least I think I do |
| 21:00.38 | maquis | dataw0lf: the massages in the break room is weird |
| 21:01.04 | dataw0lf | yea, massages just freak me out. |
| 21:01.05 | goozbach | I hate it when people give me messages in the break room |
| 21:01.22 | goozbach | I mean geez, I'm trying to take a break. |
| 21:01.31 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:01.32 | goozbach | write it on a sticky note |
| 21:01.42 | goozbach | post it on my chair |
| 21:01.50 | goozbach | I'll read it when I return to my cube |
| 21:01.53 | maquis | nah... the monitor's better |
| 21:02.00 | maquis | i actually look at my monitor |
| 21:02.20 | goozbach | it crinkles when you sit |
| 21:02.54 | goozbach | noo! |
| 21:03.12 | findlay | goozbach is not in my break room |
| 21:03.15 | goozbach | unless you want to give me a mAssage instead of a mEssage |
| 21:03.25 | redbeard1 | yeah, i don't think so |
| 21:03.32 | goozbach | awww... |
| 21:04.10 | goozbach | speaking of grossing people out... |
| 21:04.12 | redbeard1 | goozbach: dude, you know you're not supposed to talk about that in here |
| 21:04.21 | goozbach | I've gained 19lbs here at DOH |
| 21:04.40 | redbeard1 | DOH? |
| 21:04.44 | dataw0lf | don't tell me that stands for Department of Health |
| 21:04.44 | redbeard1 | driving over the house? |
| 21:04.50 | dataw0lf | the irony will overrun my senses |
| 21:05.25 | findlay | disruptive over helicopters |
| 21:05.43 | redbeard1 | diluting octopus hair |
| 21:05.50 | goozbach | dataw0lf: Department of Health it is |
| 21:06.00 | maquis | gah... on windows, the rules for how much gets selected by a double-click is different from what it is on linux... that's annoying |
| 21:06.24 | redbeard1 | goozbach: what do you do for them again? |
| 21:06.28 | redbeard1 | health inspector? |
| 21:06.56 | dataw0lf | *tastes ice cream* Yes, yes, I think this is quite safe. *tastes ice cream some more* |
| 21:07.22 | dataw0lf | course, 19 lbs, you're probably not just tasting it.. |
| 21:07.57 | redbeard1 | he's tasting it a lot |
| 21:08.10 | dataw0lf | I call it 'gorging'. |
| 21:08.55 | dataw0lf | yay, modular log processing / parsing program in 50 lines |
| 21:09.38 | dataw0lf | with long doc strings. |
| 21:10.05 | findlay | oh joys of databases |
| 21:10.27 | goozbach | redbeard1: I'm a linux analyist |
| 21:10.39 | goozbach | analist |
| 21:10.46 | goozbach | I analize things |
| 21:10.46 | dataw0lf | analyst |
| 21:10.56 | goozbach | I'm the linkus guy |
| 21:11.00 | goozbach | LINUX |
| 21:11.01 | goozbach | dang |
| 21:11.08 | dataw0lf | I hope your business card doesn't say 'analist' |
| 21:11.09 | goozbach | more caffiene |
| 21:11.16 | dataw0lf | good call! |
| 21:11.22 | goozbach | dataw0lf: no, but my blog DID |
| 21:11.47 | dataw0lf | goozbach: rol |
| 21:12.34 | findlay | ~message dataw0lf |
| 21:12.35 | redbeard1 | goozbach: dude, i hope spelling isn't one of the things you analyze |
| 21:12.55 | findlay | that's what /usr/share/dict/words is for |
| 21:14.20 | goozbach | redbeard1: that's what tab completion is for |
| 21:15.39 | dataw0lf | Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? |
| 21:18.22 | ^Migs^ | neato spudeeto |
| 21:18.27 | ^Migs^ | oops, wrong channel |
| 21:18.34 | findlay | bash completion for irc, hmmmm |
| 21:18.48 | findlay | it looks up words in the spelling dict |
| 21:19.21 | findlay | although with 615,500 words in the English language that's a lot of tabbing |
| 21:25.14 | goozbach | TheTiGuR: wps bonez39 vex herlo Tene dataw0lf |
| 21:25.30 | goozbach | (that would be very hard to do) |
| 21:26.06 | Supaplex | if you tabs per minute exceed your words per minute, you suck :-D |
| 21:27.07 | goozbach | my TheTiGuR com4 is vex goozbach |
| 21:27.12 | goozbach | my tab completion is very good |
| 21:27.46 | goozbach | ~seen com4 |
| 21:28.14 | ibot | com4 is currently on #debian #utah #uphpu, last said: 'For those of you following at home Edgy 64Bit also breaks while installing... Now for everyone's favorite task of trying to figure out which hardware component is broken!!'. |
| 21:28.16 | goozbach | I've never seen that nick before I don't belive |
| 21:28.16 | goozbach | beleive |
| 21:28.16 | goozbach | think |
| 21:28.16 | goozbach | grr |
| 21:29.08 | findlay | seems like an amiable chap |
| 21:29.13 | goozbach | com4: welcome, I suppose |
| 21:29.13 | dataw0lf | com4 is a good guy |
| 21:29.22 | goozbach | he's an xmissioner I assume |
| 21:29.30 | goozbach | (from his hostname) |
| 21:29.44 | goozbach | heh |
| 21:30.14 | goozbach | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/Stty3 |
| 21:30.17 | dataw0lf | goozbach: No, he doesn't work there. He just has a server there. |
| 21:30.49 | dataw0lf | I think he still works with synic. |
| 21:30.57 | macnewbold | yes, last I heard, that's true |
| 21:31.02 | Supaplex | goozbach: ITYM /dev/ttyS3 |
| 21:31.03 | macnewbold | he came to the last UPHPU meeting too |
| 21:31.23 | goozbach | bah |
| 21:31.38 | goozbach | stupid pinapple pizza |
| 21:32.07 | goozbach | ~dict ITYM |
| 21:32.13 | goozbach | ahh |
| 21:34.19 | dataw0lf | synic: you use unit testing in Exaile's code? can't remember. |
| 21:37.32 | levi | The future of captchas: http://www.xach.com/img/craptcha-more.gif |
| 21:37.49 | levi | Yes, there is actually a word in there. |
| 21:38.32 | dataw0lf | I have no idea how to read it |
| 21:38.54 | levi | Hint: It's a stereogram. |
| 21:39.14 | redbeard1 | that's mean |
| 21:40.27 | levi | Pretty evil, eh? |
| 21:40.32 | dataw0lf | wow |
| 21:40.54 | levi | Took me a while to get my eyes screwed up just right. |
| 21:43.16 | macnewbold | that's going to keep out more humans than machines... |
| 21:43.40 | macnewbold | a machine is probably better at reliably reading the stereogram, and then it's just a normal OCR problem |
| 21:44.02 | levi | Probably so, but it's really just a joke. |
| 21:44.09 | macnewbold | what's the word? |
| 21:44.12 | macnewbold | and why is it animated? |
| 21:44.29 | macnewbold | It's hard enough to read a stereogram that's standing still |
| 21:44.39 | levi | It says 'LISP!', since the guy who wrote it was playing around with a GIF-generating library he wrote. |
| 21:44.48 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 21:44.51 | findlay | in lisp no doubt |
| 21:44.55 | levi | Yes. |
| 21:45.10 | levi | macnewbold: I actually had an easier time reading the animated version than a static version he'd posted previously. |
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| 21:46.13 | decriptor | has anyone here worked with openvpn and ldap auth |
| 21:46.27 | goozbach | I have NEVER been able to see a sterogram |
| 21:46.35 | dataw0lf | here you go levi: http://stderr.ws/stereogram.png |
| 21:46.56 | goozbach | I think it has to do with the fact that I have only 20% vision in one eye |
| 21:47.49 | graphyx | lol at the stereograham |
| 21:48.31 | levi | goozbach: I had a lot more trouble before I had eye surgery. I'm still not very good at them. |
| 21:48.37 | graphyx | I would almost think you have something against perl. |
| 21:48.44 | levi | dataw0lf: I'm having a hard time seeing that one. |
| 21:49.10 | dataw0lf | me have something against Perl? Neeeevvveeeeer... |
| 21:51.15 | levi | Hmm, nope, can't read that one. |
| 21:51.32 | levi | I really think the animation helped me, since I couldn't read the static version of the LISP! one either. |
| 21:51.54 | dataw0lf | levi: it says 'Python > Perl' |
| 21:51.56 | dataw0lf | that's weird |
| 21:52.00 | dataw0lf | that animation threw me off |
| 21:52.13 | levi | Ahh. |
| 21:52.53 | dataw0lf | ugh, screw the P4 GUI client. it's all command line in Windows now. |
| 21:58.29 | redbeard1 | i just had a website pose an interesting question: "what would jesus download?" |
| 22:01.31 | goozbach | wwjd |
| 22:01.33 | goozbach | cool |
| 22:03.49 | dataw0lf | probably Debian. |
| 22:05.08 | goozbach | you see i have Amblyopia |
| 22:11.48 | findlay | how do I drop a record from a database table? |
| 22:12.04 | Tene | delete |
| 22:12.13 | Tene | delete from table where condition. |
| 22:12.16 | findlay | something like DROP RECORD ONE FROM THE TABLE IN THE DATABASE I"M THINKING OF |
| 22:12.59 | ^Migs^ | why "record one"? |
| 22:13.10 | Tene | delete from table where id=1; |
| 22:13.12 | findlay | BECAUSE THAT"S THE RECORD I WANT TO DELETE |
| 22:14.03 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 22:14.22 | findlay | man I hate this database |
| 22:14.28 | Tene | what do you hate about it? |
| 22:14.32 | Tene | Does time become a loop? |
| 22:15.14 | Jayce^ | Tene, listening to Orbital lately? |
| 22:15.23 | Tene | Perhaps. |
| 22:15.33 | maquis | ok guys... here's a question that i need some advice on |
| 22:15.41 | maquis | there's a football game across the street from my office |
| 22:15.44 | maquis | the game starts at 5pm |
| 22:15.49 | maquis | i take the bus home... |
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| 22:16.17 | maquis | my options for bus time are: 4, 4:35, 5:05, 5:40, 6:10 and 6:35... |
| 22:16.37 | findlay | go to the game? |
| 22:16.38 | levi | Sleep at the office. ;) |
| 22:16.49 | maquis | the bus usually is off on another route prior to picking up our location, so it's going to be late |
| 22:16.55 | maquis | which time should i attempt to catch the bus |
| 22:17.00 | maquis | levi: i'd prefer not to... |
| 22:17.13 | maquis | findlay: i'd still need a way home... and going to the game would not provide that |
| 22:17.49 | findlay | well, it lets you procrastinate |
| 22:18.04 | goozbach | maquis: start waiting for the bus at 2:45 |
| 22:18.13 | goozbach | the day before |
| 22:18.27 | findlay | yesterday |
| 22:18.35 | maquis | goozbach: it's a bit late for that :) |
| 22:18.54 | goozbach | maquis: you've got to plan ahead for these things |
| 22:18.56 | goozbach | geez |
| 22:19.11 | maquis | that would involve knowing about the games in advance |
| 22:19.48 | macnewbold | go to the first hour and a half of the game and catch the 6:35 bus... ;) |
| 22:20.04 | macnewbold | or leave at 4 and try and come back to catch the later parts of the game |
| 22:20.35 | maquis | you people really aren't that helpful |
| 22:21.03 | macnewbold | well, at least I tried to be... |
| 22:22.14 | maquis | i wish my bus was one of the GPS-enabled ones |
| 22:23.00 | macnewbold | or wifi-enabled ones... |
| 22:25.01 | findlay | maquis: next time you're on it just sprinkle some rfid tags on the floor |
| 22:25.25 | maquis | macnewbold: wifi would be nice, but that wouldn't allow me to track the bus on its way here... |
| 22:25.39 | maquis | the gps-enabled ones (metro) can be tracked online so you can see how far away they are |
| 22:25.45 | macnewbold | depends what or who you planted on the bus to transmit GPS info to you... |
| 22:25.45 | findlay | somebody at UTA decided that riders wanted to watch TV on the bus, so they installed TVs on some of the busses |
| 22:26.12 | maquis | macnewbold: :) |
| 22:26.13 | findlay | can you imagine being bombarded with TV commercials in yet another place? |
| 22:26.27 | maquis | findlay: ick... i do want wifi on my bus, though |
| 22:26.42 | macnewbold | at least it's sometimes entertainment... normally the buses just have ads, no entertainment at all |
| 22:26.42 | maquis | then i wouldn't have to page a teammate if i end up getting paged while riding the bus |
| 22:27.08 | findlay | but I want my bus time to be quiet time |
| 22:27.22 | findlay | or even being social with strangers |
| 22:27.31 | findlay | which is a very good activity |
| 22:28.01 | ^Migs^ | has anyone heard the Christmas song "A Spaceman Came Travelling"? |
| 22:28.08 | ^Migs^ | I think it's my new favorite x-mas song |
| 22:28.42 | maquis | ^Migs^: never heard it... is it as good as chiron-beta-prime? |
| 22:29.44 | ^Migs^ | here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZg7tvGN9o |
| 22:29.45 | ^Migs^ | decide for yourself |
| 22:29.56 | ^Migs^ | I was actually listening to a cover of it by Gregorian |
| 22:30.29 | ^Migs^ | which is incidentally better than the original I just linked |
| 22:31.29 | ^Migs^ | haha, that video is funny |
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| 22:36.19 | levi | Heh, Chris de Burgh. That's the "Lady in Red" dude. |
| 22:37.54 | maquis | ^Migs^: http://jonathancoulton.com/lyrics/chiron-beta-prime |
| 22:38.34 | mrpull | ^migs^: i would have pegged you as an anti-christmas guy |
| 22:38.44 | mrpull | esp anti-christmas-music guy |
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| 23:10.33 | findlay | debian/ubuntu is happiness |
| 23:10.56 | mrpull | findlay: whoa! weren't you a big gentoo fan? |
| 23:11.27 | findlay | indeed I am |
| 23:11.43 | findlay | but ubuntu makes me happy too |
| 23:12.03 | mrpull | good to hear it. ubuntu makes me happy as well. |
| 23:12.13 | mrpull | gentoo makes me sleepy |
| 23:12.36 | findlay | time from question to tangible results on some software I've never used before was less than 5 minutes |
| 23:12.40 | findlay | that's amazing |
| 23:13.08 | findlay | I can ask a question, apt-get the software, and run it with appreciable results in that time |
| 23:13.38 | findlay | I defy windows or OSX to be so congenial |
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| 23:24.05 | bonez39 | aren't ubuntu though, and gentoo too.....debian derivatives? |
| 23:24.27 | maquis | bonez39: ubuntu is |
| 23:24.29 | maquis | gentoo is not |
| 23:24.54 | findlay | gentoo is very influenced from debian, but it was probably a from-scratch distro |
| 23:25.34 | maquis | gentoo was also rather heavily influenced by the bsd's (although not quite well-enough) |
| 23:26.01 | findlay | gentoo has many good features of freebsd, but none of the bad |
| 23:26.52 | maquis | findlay: it ditched the most important fetaures of freebsd |
| 23:26.58 | maquis | and replaced them with python |
| 23:27.19 | findlay | heh |
| 23:27.22 | findlay | sure |
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| 23:27.41 | maquis | findlay: i'm serious |
| 23:27.46 | findlay | I like freebsd |
| 23:28.24 | maquis | makefiles are much better than python scripts and ebuilds for handling package-management |
| 23:28.46 | findlay | sure |
| 23:28.53 | bonez39 | but gentoo...where does IT come from? |
| 23:28.54 | findlay | you go ahead and believe it |
| 23:29.19 | maquis | IT comes from people who are too lazy to type out "Information Technology" |
| 23:29.34 | findlay | ~duck maquis |
| 23:29.40 | ibot | ACTION gives maquis a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels maquis with it's big white wings. |
| 23:29.46 | findlay | maquis: I don't think so |
| 23:29.49 | maquis | ~whaleslap findlay |
| 23:29.50 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 23:30.04 | maquis | ~whalenuke findlay |
| 23:30.05 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around findlay with his mind powers |
| 23:30.14 | maquis | :) |
| 23:30.15 | findlay | ~whalepunt maquis |
| 23:30.16 | ibot | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts maquis across Soviet Russia (No... you don't punt whales there) |
| 23:30.22 | maquis | ~whaleparry findlay |
| 23:30.23 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry findlay's attacks. |
| 23:32.47 | bonez39 | I received a cool email story from a patient..how do I run it through something to clear all the tabs, the spaces, the > marks..and the weird formatting? is there any easy way to clean up such text? |
| 23:33.25 | maquis | perl? or open it in vim and just use :%s/>//g and such |
| 23:33.27 | findlay | vim might be a good tool |
| 23:33.39 | maquis | i have a feeling vim would be your tool of choice :) |
| 23:33.42 | findlay | heh, if you're up to learning it |
| 23:33.59 | maquis | it's easier than doing the perl stuff, i'm sure |
| 23:34.17 | findlay | because you can see what you're doing |
| 23:34.44 | maquis | does anybody know who the Seahawks are playing tonight? |
| 23:34.59 | mrpull | SF |
| 23:35.11 | maquis | mrpull: ?? |
| 23:35.13 | mrpull | maquis: i think it is the 49'ers |
| 23:35.23 | maquis | ok... what are their colors? |
| 23:35.35 | mrpull | red and gold |
| 23:35.48 | maquis | ah... that explains a lot |
| 23:35.55 | maquis | maybe |
| 23:36.06 | maquis | there's a lot of people in yellow coats... |
| 23:36.14 | maquis | but then a lot of them are carrying blue stuff... |
| 23:43.10 | mrpull | i don't think the 49ers will give the Seahawks much of a challenge |
| 23:43.23 | dataw0lf | screw em both. let's concentrate on the real issue |
| 23:43.29 | dataw0lf | Tank Johnson's house got raided! |
| 23:43.35 | dataw0lf | The Bears can't lose him! |
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| 23:43.58 | mrpull | i'm good with thursday night football whether it is a good game or not |
| 23:44.13 | dataw0lf | true. |
| 23:44.37 | mrpull | doh, i didn't realize Seattle lost to Arizona |
| 23:44.42 | mrpull | maybe SF can beat them |
| 23:44.45 | maquis | mrpull: are the seahawks generally pretty good? |
| 23:44.54 | dataw0lf | excellent defense. |
| 23:45.26 | mrpull | maquis: Alexander is one of the premiere running backs in the league |
| 23:45.38 | mrpull | if they stay healthy they can get deep into the playoffs |
| 23:45.43 | maquis | cool |
| 23:45.48 | mrpull | they have had a bunch of injuries this year |
| 23:45.51 | dataw0lf | doubtful if they'll make it to the super bowl |
| 23:45.57 | maquis | when is the super bowl? |
| 23:46.08 | mrpull | their two biggest offensive players were out for several games |
| 23:46.36 | dataw0lf | maquis: early February |
| 23:46.46 | mrpull | they should clinch the division tho |
| 23:46.52 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 23:47.00 | dataw0lf | Tis all about the Bears and the Colts |
| 23:47.13 | maquis | cool |
| 23:47.26 | dataw0lf | Peyton Manning Uber Alles! |
| 23:47.33 | mrpull | true, I don't think the hawks can beat either the bears or the saints |
| 23:47.47 | mrpull | dataw0lf: I had a ticket to go to the Colts on Monday night |
| 23:47.53 | mrpull | then my trip got canceled :( |
| 23:48.20 | atoponce | ok all you perl mongers, when setting a range, what is the difference between @array=('a'..'z'); and @array=('a'...'z'); ? |
| 23:48.23 | dataw0lf | dang, that sucks |
| 23:48.26 | atoponce | they seem to be the same to me |
| 23:48.51 | dataw0lf | mrpull: yea, the Bears destroyed Seattle earlier in the season, but Alexander was hurt that game, I think. |
| 23:48.55 | dataw0lf | Not that it matters. The Bears defense is like a really fast moving iron wall |
| 23:49.48 | mrpull | it's fun to see them win even with grossman struggling. i like to see defense and special team points. |
| 23:50.21 | mrpull | atoponce: i don't remember. Is it an inclusive/exclusive difference? |
| 23:50.46 | dataw0lf | how the operator treats the left and right |
| 23:51.01 | atoponce | mrpull: that's what i thought, but punching it through a for loop gives the same results |
| 23:51.05 | dataw0lf | .. the operator returns false until the left side is true |
| 23:51.33 | atoponce | dataw0lf: how do you mean? |
| 23:51.35 | dataw0lf | and then returns true until the right side is true |
| 23:52.18 | mrpull | ah geeze... http://www.developertutorials.com/tutorials/cgi-perl/perl-range-operator-050616/page1.html |
| 23:52.19 | dataw0lf | ... one side won't evaluate to true if the other is false |
| 23:52.38 | mrpull | looks like TIMTOWTDI strikes again |
| 23:52.45 | mrpull | perl is a mess (but I love it) |
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| 23:53.02 | dataw0lf | perl is a mess (and I dislike it except for very specific cases) |
| 23:53.03 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 23:53.33 | mrpull | dataw0lf: you expressed my feelings better than I did |
| 23:53.51 | findlay | I don't care that it appears a mess to some |
| 23:54.09 | findlay | that is one of its greatest, probably the greatest virtue |
| 23:54.16 | atoponce | hmmm, so .. and ... really only have preference to conditionals? for merely printing, or assigning values, there is no difference? |
| 23:57.24 | maquis | gah! |
| 23:57.31 | maquis | the person in the next cube just made popcorn |
| 23:57.46 | maquis | and... suddenly, i'm hungry |
| 23:58.59 | atoponce | ~stupid popcorn |
