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| 00:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm... who here knows a fair bit about T1 lines? |
| 00:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I have more questions, and I've forgotten who ;) |
| 00:27.32 | levi | I don't know much about them, but I'm curious what your question is. |
| 00:27.45 | findlay | those are the wires they use for tenis rackets? |
| 00:28.33 | graphyx | ScytheBlade1: try jsmit |
| 00:28.36 | graphyx | jsmith |
| 00:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 00:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a central office, and then a remote office |
| 00:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | The remote office has a point to point T1 connecting them, and it's connected to a soekris board + sangoma card |
| 00:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | We may be opening up more small offices, so that means I need to build more soekris+sangoma combo boxes |
| 00:30.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Question is this: can I just run a ethernet cable from T1 card to T1 card and have it work? |
| 00:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | If not, what do I need to add to the setup to allow that? |
| 00:30.21 | findlay | tensai would probably know all the answers |
| 00:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen tensai |
| 00:32.37 | ibot | tensai is currently on #utah (7h 24m 55s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 1h 36m 26s, last said: 'herlo: that's just what mine looks like. but you do get an smtp banner?'. |
| 00:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm.... what's the command? |
| 00:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ~last tensai |
| 00:32.55 | maquis | hmm... |
| 00:33.00 | maquis | ~last == ~seen |
| 00:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~literal ~last |
| 00:33.26 | findlay | ~last ~literal |
| 00:33.29 | maquis | ~literal last |
| 00:33.30 | ibot | "last" is "easier ;)" |
| 00:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 00:33.36 | maquis | ~literal seen |
| 00:33.37 | ibot | "seen" is "a weird thing" |
| 00:33.47 | maquis | ~literal last $who |
| 00:34.31 | findlay | ~ping tensai |
| 00:34.35 | ibot | pong tensai |
| 00:34.35 | findlay | that'll do the trick |
| 00:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Err... wtf |
| 00:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital_Signal_1&diff=93412871&oldid=90962468 |
| 00:39.12 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:43.40 | maquis | any perl gurus in the house? |
| 00:43.55 | maquis | (newbie question here) |
| 00:44.12 | levi | I know just enough perl to be dangerous. |
| 00:44.16 | maquis | levi: great |
| 00:44.19 | maquis | that's more than me (i hope) |
| 00:44.26 | findlay | maquis: what do you need to know? |
| 00:44.29 | levi | Perhaps. Ask, and maybe someone will know. |
| 00:45.16 | maquis | i have a while loop... i want to exit immediately and not go back in.... is there a simple way to do that which is more elegant than setting something to a value where it will definitely fail the while statement? |
| 00:45.24 | findlay | last; |
| 00:45.41 | levi | Yeah, last does that. |
| 00:45.48 | maquis | hmmm |
| 00:45.51 | findlay | last if (condition); |
| 00:46.01 | maquis | i'll try that again... maybe i was doing something stupid the first time i tried it |
| 00:46.08 | findlay | if (condition == 'true') {last} |
| 00:46.36 | levi | findlay: Yeah, we get it, TMTOWTDI. |
| 00:46.41 | maquis | yeah... ok... i think i did something stupid the first time i tried... |
| 00:46.42 | maquis | thanks |
| 00:46.43 | findlay | heh |
| 00:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm confused. |
| 00:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | The exact same code talking to the exact same MySQL server |
| 00:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Is giving me different results. |
| 00:56.45 | maquis | "lebanon charles de gaull california baseball..." |
| 00:57.01 | herlo | Is there a way in mencoder (or another app) to encode just a portion of a movie I'd like to rip? |
| 01:31.02 | macnewbold | maquis: Billy Joel ++++ |
| 01:31.04 | macnewbold | that's a great song |
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| 02:05.24 | nick125_lappy | atoponce: pong |
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| 02:17.16 | findlay | I'm getting a wierd problem with elinks. when a text box is selected it wont let me type in text. It just thinks the keys are always shortcuts |
| 02:17.16 | findlay | anybody know what's going on? |
| 02:17.27 | findlay | and now firefox is crashing randomly |
| 02:17.36 | findlay | who needs the web anyway? |
| 02:18.16 | Tene | findlay: press 'enter' first when you have the textbox selected. |
| 02:20.32 | vontrapp | "solo can't help with my fate, he's still blind from the carbonate" sung in rock-and-roll style |
| 02:23.00 | findlay | Tene: what do you know, that works |
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| 02:54.30 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: what's up? |
| 02:55.29 | nick125_lappy | not much, you? |
| 02:55.50 | atoponce | good. you pinged me earlier this morning |
| 02:55.56 | atoponce | ? |
| 02:56.21 | atoponce | [10:34:22] nick125- | atoponce: around? :p |
| 02:57.32 | nick125_lappy | I can't remember what I pinged |
| 02:57.49 | nick125_lappy | you for |
| 02:57.58 | nick125_lappy | bleh |
| 03:02.37 | atoponce | :) |
| 03:06.40 | findlay | liboil, hm, wonder what that's for |
| 03:12.16 | mrpull-_ | findlay: lubrication? |
| 03:14.08 | findlay | CPU lubrication apparently |
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| 03:33.55 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 03:36.30 | findlay | good evening levi_home |
| 03:40.32 | levi_home | How goes, findlay? |
| 03:41.37 | findlay | I have my math final tomorrow morning, then I'm done with math-1220 forever |
| 03:41.55 | levi_home | What's math-1220? |
| 03:42.06 | findlay | s/20/10/ |
| 03:42.24 | findlay | 1210 -> calculus I |
| 03:42.25 | levi_home | I don't know what math-1210 is either, off the top of my head. |
| 03:42.44 | levi_home | You hadn't taken Calc yet? |
| 03:43.03 | findlay | I hadn't retaken it yet |
| 03:43.09 | findlay | ... again |
| 03:43.15 | levi_home | Why'd you have to retake it? |
| 03:43.52 | findlay | because grades are fore priggish goodie-goodies |
| 03:44.06 | findlay | s/e//g |
| 03:44.25 | levi_home | Or for people who previously flunked out of school and aren't about to go down that slippery slope again! |
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| 03:45.47 | findlay | stupid grades |
| 03:46.52 | findlay | stupid windows computers that pound the network with broadcast packets |
| 03:47.34 | levi_home | Nothing wrong with grades. |
| 03:47.42 | levi_home | I get lots of As. As are good. |
| 03:47.56 | levi_home | Just gotta go to class and do the work. |
| 03:48.04 | findlay | I don't, therefore I hate grades |
| 03:48.44 | levi_home | I used to get lots of Is and Fs because I didn't go to class and didn't do the work. |
| 03:48.51 | findlay | I despise anything that turns learning into meaningless mechanical nonsense |
| 03:51.24 | levi_home | That's just your elitist attitude. I had it too. Get over it, and you'll be happier. |
| 03:52.39 | findlay | I guess most classes aren't so mechanical. Doing homework consistently is like excercise, or practicing |
| 03:53.03 | findlay | you're right levi_home |
| 03:53.06 | Sargun | haha |
| 03:57.09 | findlay | ~haha Sargun |
| 03:57.11 | ibot | ACTION beats Sargun about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 03:57.19 | findlay | ~hahaha |
| 03:57.21 | ibot | hmm... hahaha is http://www.shacknews.com//screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg Win 98 Increased Dependability...NOT |
| 03:57.25 | findlay | ~hahahaha |
| 03:57.26 | ibot | well, hahahaha is ahahahah |
| 03:58.27 | Sargun | I sleep for a couple hours, and I miss 6 pages on digg |
| 03:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Digg isn't worth following :/ |
| 03:59.31 | Sargun | er |
| 03:59.31 | Sargun | 7 |
| 03:59.31 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, Sometimes it has some fun hacks on it |
| 03:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, link me one |
| 04:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep looking |
| 04:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll keep waiting |
| 04:02.29 | Sargun | HEh |
| 04:02.30 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:02.36 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, Are you taking Chem? |
| 04:02.43 | Sargun | AP Chem |
| 04:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:04.10 | Sargun | Are you taking any APs? |
| 04:04.17 | Sargun | or sciences? |
| 04:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Some generic ones, yes |
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| 04:07.48 | findlay | bzgrep is broken |
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| 04:09.21 | Sargun | Yeah, I got nothing man! |
| 04:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Digg really isn't worth following. |
| 04:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just another fark or college humor. |
| 04:11.02 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: here's a hack `sudo -c "for i in /usr/bin/* ; do mv $i /dev/null ; done"` |
| 04:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, you could probably get that posted to digg, I'd wager around 300 points |
| 04:11.39 | findlay | 400! |
| 04:20.50 | Tene | findlay: ??? |
| 04:24.34 | findlay | if I ever condescended to post my consumate hacks to digg, I'd get 1024 diggs |
| 04:25.02 | findlay | `ssh root@127.0.0.1 "rm -rf /"` |
| 04:31.49 | Sargun | uhhh |
| 04:32.04 | findlay | Sargun: did it work? |
| 04:32.15 | Sargun | password: command not found |
| 04:32.20 | Sargun | :-P |
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| 04:58.43 | elg | gah. http://www.ldscio.org/2006/12/09/open-source/ is depressing and encouraging all in one breath |
| 04:59.28 | elg | he's open to OSS, likes it, but has bought the TCO gag and more importantly just doesn't get it on a fundamental level |
| 04:59.48 | stuporglue | Yeah. I saw that yesterday. At least they seem fairly balanced in their choices -- trying to pick what will work best |
| 05:00.00 | elg | i hope so |
| 05:00.07 | elg | when I worked there it was 100% microsoft |
| 05:00.16 | stuporglue | Or so he says...http://www.ldscio.org/about-joel/ "Joel spent 11 years at Microsoft " |
| 05:00.26 | elg | still converting from novell to microsoft |
| 05:00.49 | elg | which might have been a step up slightly, but more likely a step sideways |
| 05:01.24 | elg | they did use sun and linux on server side, but it was a very microsoft environment |
| 05:01.44 | elg | but that could have changed in 5 years |
| 05:01.56 | elg | i'm just glad we use openoffice on our ward computer :) |
| 05:02.17 | stuporglue | That's cool. We've got it too (OO.o 1.? though) |
| 05:03.34 | elg | i installed 2.0 sunday |
| 05:03.39 | elg | from a jump drive |
| 05:03.44 | elg | it didn't overwrite 1.1 so now we have both |
| 05:03.49 | elg | and then 2.1 was released on monday |
| 05:03.50 | elg | sheesh |
| 05:04.06 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/organs.jpg |
| 05:04.09 | elg | last screenshot, I promise |
| 05:07.44 | findlay | elg: I seriously doubt it |
| 05:08.19 | findlay | a guy in my ward used to work for oit in the server bunker and he says most of the church servers run solaris or windows |
| 05:08.34 | elg | doubt what? |
| 05:08.49 | elg | oh that it's changed? |
| 05:08.53 | findlay | yes |
| 05:08.59 | elg | yeah, I doubt it too |
| 05:10.27 | Supaplex | no aix? I thought their recent job postings were calling for aix |
| 05:12.05 | findlay | I don't know much about it |
| 05:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen tensai |
| 05:13.23 | ibot | tensai is currently on #utah (12h 5m 41s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 6h 17m 12s, last said: 'herlo: that's just what mine looks like. but you do get an smtp banner?'. |
| 05:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | doh, second time I did that |
| 05:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ~last tensai |
| 05:17.55 | elg | yeah, I remember some aix |
| 05:18.00 | elg | no, wait, that memory is from byu |
| 05:18.29 | stuporglue | Are the product reviews on Target.com real? http://tinyurl.com/y27j2p selected quotes: "I bought a set of these 6 years and 3 roommates ago.", "I received them as a wedding gift seven years ago and they are still going strong.", "these glasses have been used daily for fifteen years". Is Target making up reviews or are there psycho people who come back and review stuff 15 years after they buy it? |
| 05:19.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know of a good GUI (for fluxbox) app that will monitor battery status? |
| 05:20.13 | stuporglue | Doesn't gkrellm do battery status? |
| 05:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I've honestly never used it |
| 05:21.12 | stuporglue | I'm pretty sure it does. I think that's what I used. It might actually be named gkrellm: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
| 05:21.26 | stuporglue | that is: gkrellm2 |
| 05:25.02 | levi_home | So, we checked out the first DVD of Stargate SG-1 from the library. |
| 05:26.29 | levi_home | Anyone else who does so should be warned that the pilot has a little surprise in it. |
| 05:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 05:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It would seem that gentoo lacks a client for gkrellm |
| 05:28.46 | stuporglue | Doubtfull. I used gkrellm on Gentoo a few years ago on a Mac |
| 05:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I see the daemon installed, but not the c-- oh |
| 05:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I need the X use flag :P |
| 05:29.55 | stuporglue | Ah, the joys of Gentoo. :-) Those were fun times |
| 05:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
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| 05:32.07 | atoponce | http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/articles/2006/12/06/divide_zero_feature.shtml |
| 05:32.14 | atoponce | uhh... |
| 05:32.43 | atoponce | 1) RealPlayer??? Are you serious??? |
| 05:33.20 | atoponce | 2) no "division" by any sense of the term is being applied, but rather, limits |
| 05:33.43 | levi_home | atoponce: No, division is being applied. |
| 05:33.55 | atoponce | how? |
| 05:34.03 | levi_home | atoponce: The rules were redefined. |
| 05:34.22 | levi_home | atoponce: It's not standard arithmetic, so division, multiplication, etc. aren't the same operations. |
| 05:34.31 | stuporglue | Didn't that link get torn apart on slashdot a few days ago? |
| 05:34.38 | elg | what kind of surprise |
| 05:34.48 | atoponce | stuporglue: not sure. i just stumbled on it |
| 05:34.59 | levi_home | atoponce: It's nothing new; this guy is just kind of a nutcase. |
| 05:35.11 | atoponce | levi_home: yeah. figured that. :) |
| 05:35.29 | atoponce | reminds me of the time cube, or whatever that garbage is |
| 05:35.36 | levi_home | He's not that kooky. |
| 05:36.25 | atoponce | "'nullity' - which sits outside the conventional number line (stretching from negative infinity, through zero, to positive infinity)." seems quite kooky to me |
| 05:36.50 | levi_home | It's not, really. |
| 05:37.02 | levi_home | Well, the name is kooky. |
| 05:37.16 | atoponce | so, is it a number or isn't it? |
| 05:37.55 | levi_home | It's not a Real, but in standard arithmetic, infinity isn't either. |
| 05:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "Nullity is a fixed number with value 0/0," Dr Anderson tells us. "It is not undefined, it is not indeterminate. |
| 05:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what it is |
| 05:38.38 | stuporglue | I thought I'd seen that nullity link recently. http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/12/07/0416223.shtml |
| 05:39.38 | levi_home | Slashdot is likely not the sort of place to find mathematically sophisticated analysis of it. |
| 05:39.46 | atoponce | so if */0 = nullity, then nullity x 0 = * (using ordinary rules of mathematics) |
| 05:40.08 | levi_home | I found some legitimate research papers that described similar constructs in abstract algebra. |
| 05:40.18 | atoponce | where * is any number |
| 05:40.37 | levi_home | It's /not/ ordinary arithmetic. |
| 05:43.00 | atoponce | i guess i'm missing something here, because every math class i have taken (through linear algebra and calc 3) uses ordinary rules of mathematics. nothing is redefined. x/0=z !+ z*0=x where x!=0 |
| 05:43.16 | atoponce | s/!+/!=/ |
| 05:44.01 | levi_home | atoponce: Clearly you haven't taken abstract algebra. |
| 05:44.11 | atoponce | nope. not yet. |
| 05:44.46 | atoponce | but i would still have a hard time believing that you change the rules to fit a theorem |
| 05:44.55 | levi_home | I haven't either, but that's where you get to do crazy things like this. |
| 05:45.45 | atoponce | math is just too concrete to go about changing what you see fit, even if it does make my brain explode |
| 05:45.58 | levi_home | Ordinary mathematics, when viewed in terms of abstract algebra, creates a 'field'. |
| 05:46.18 | levi_home | There are other definitions for operations and such that give you 'rings' and other weird things. |
| 05:46.52 | levi_home | Whenever you're dealing with an algebra that's a 'field', the regular multiplication and division properties hold. |
| 05:47.00 | levi_home | They're different with rings and such. |
| 05:47.23 | atoponce | hmm. i don't know anything about that, so i'll have to wait 'til i take the course |
| 05:47.59 | levi_home | What he's doing sounds like the real projective line, where you get to work on numbers that are the set of Reals unioned with Infinity. |
| 05:48.14 | levi_home | Wikipedia has a lot of information about it. |
| 05:49.00 | atoponce | but even infinity stays solidly on the number scale. |
| 05:49.19 | levi_home | Not in standard arithmetic. |
| 05:49.25 | levi_home | There's no 'infinity' on the number line. |
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| 05:51.17 | atoponce | you're right. every point i say is 'infinity', you can add 1 to. however, limits, using real numbers, express infinity, using the number scale. this 'nullity' thing seems to me to be discussing an expression that uses infinity that doesn't rely on the number scale |
| 05:52.07 | atoponce | that just doesn't make sense. infinity is a number, albeit, growing. what's 'nullity'? |
| 05:54.08 | macnewbold | ~nullity |
| 05:54.13 | macnewbold | ~infinity |
| 05:54.15 | ibot | it has been said that infinity is ibot: message for ibot: infinity |
| 05:55.26 | atoponce | oh well. maybe i'll learn how to wrap my mind around such things when i take more advanced math. for the time being, my feeble brain says he's a loon |
| 05:55.26 | levi_home | nullity is 0/0 |
| 05:55.39 | atoponce | what about 1/0 |
| 05:55.47 | levi_home | Well, his craziness is in thinking that this has any applicability at all to CS. |
| 05:55.50 | levi_home | 1/0 is infinity. |
| 05:56.03 | levi_home | -1/0 is -infinity |
| 05:56.03 | brac | okay then :) |
| 05:56.32 | levi_home | In abstract algebra on a projective line, -infinity and infinity are the same number. |
| 05:58.14 | atoponce | ok. how is 1/0 infinity and -1/0 -infinity. if i have 1 apple, and divide it into 0 groups, how is that done? how is 1 apple divided into 0? 1 apple divided into 1 is itself. 1 apple divided into 2 is half of itself, and so on. What's 1 apple divided in 0? how do you define that? infinty can't work. the apple would explode if that were the case |
| 05:58.27 | levi_home | atoponce: This is /abstract/ algebra, remember? |
| 05:58.33 | atoponce | bleh |
| 05:58.35 | levi_home | That's not what division means anymore. |
| 05:58.51 | macnewbold | -2 |
| 05:59.27 | levi_home | It's an operation that shares some properties with 'real' division, but it's not the same thing. |
| 05:59.27 | macnewbold | -1/0 |
| 05:59.27 | macnewbold | -argh |
| 05:59.59 | levi_home | Clearly mathematicians find this stuff useful, or at least interesting, but I don't know what sort of applicability it has to the real world. |
| 06:00.10 | macnewbold | none |
| 06:00.13 | macnewbold | I mean, nullity |
| 06:00.13 | atoponce | i digress. you win. i'll wait on that. |
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| 06:03.56 | levi_home | Actually, some abstract algebra stuff has relevance in theoretical physics, and category theory, which is related to abstract algebra, is useful in functional programming. |
| 06:05.19 | atoponce | levi_home: still, though, i think it can be argued that realplayer media was a sad choice for the format. mpg would have been a better choice, i think |
| 06:05.37 | atoponce | personal preference, of course |
| 06:10.20 | levi_home | atoponce: That could certainly be argued. |
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| 06:13.36 | levi_home | atoponce: If you really want to hear something wild, the same guy came up with a theoretical computer called a 'perspex' that is supposed to be more powerful than a turing machine. |
| 06:14.39 | atoponce | until i see some proof of concept behind his theorem, he'll always be a loon to me. |
| 06:17.43 | nick125_lappy | :( |
| 06:17.48 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: :) |
| 06:17.58 | atoponce | keep typing man! you'll get there |
| 06:18.10 | atoponce | s/opes/open/ |
| 06:20.03 | nick125_lappy | the thing is that if I stop for a bit, it's like starting over (speed-wise) |
| 06:21.06 | levi_home | atoponce: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/British_computer_scientist%27s_new_%22nullity%22_idea_provokes_reaction_from_mathematicians |
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| 06:21.31 | levi_home | atoponce: He /is/ a loon, but division by zero is not a completely absurd idea. |
| 06:22.11 | levi_home | He's nowhere near timecube-style loony, he's just a little off and not as mathematically sophisticated as he thinks he is. |
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| 06:24.15 | atoponce | i don't mind the quest to understand dividing by 0. i think that's great. it's redefining the rules that aren't sitting well with me. oh well. i can wait to learn that stuff |
| 06:27.16 | levi_home | Redefining the rules is done often in math, and can yield useful properties. |
| 06:28.01 | findlay | levi_home: perhaps you know something of the great 'renormalization' then? |
| 06:28.04 | findlay | hehe |
| 06:28.16 | findlay | Feynman called it 'funny math' |
| 06:28.50 | levi_home | The trick is identifying when the changes in rules are useful and create a consistent system with interesting properties. |
| 06:28.58 | levi_home | findlay: Nope, don't know about that. |
| 06:29.30 | findlay | ~wiki renormalization |
| 06:30.30 | findlay | ibot: your wikipedia is so engaging |
| 06:30.35 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 06:30.36 | findlay | what a cliffhanger |
| 06:30.42 | findlay | ibot: whatever |
| 06:30.44 | ibot | hmm... whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 06:34.20 | levi_home | Apparently, the problem with renormalization is that they just conveniently ignored the fact that they were subtracting infinities from infinities and getting finite values, and they weren't able to prove their system self-consistent. |
| 06:34.52 | levi_home | But it produces useful results /anyway/, so people stuck with it. |
| 06:36.08 | levi_home | Math is cool, but there's just SO MUCH of it. |
| 06:37.33 | findlay | so the unification energy is 10e15 GeV |
| 06:37.50 | findlay | ~convert 10e15 GeV to eV |
| 06:38.09 | findlay | ~convert 10e15 giga eV to eV |
| 06:39.56 | findlay | 1e25 eV |
| 06:40.02 | findlay | wow |
| 06:40.36 | findlay | the highest energy cosmic rays we've seen are only 1-2e20 eV |
| 06:40.57 | Sargun | tiny |
| 06:42.10 | findlay | 1e25 eV is so much energy you probably couldn't even produce one statistical particle on the high tail of the energy distribution with a supernova |
| 06:42.58 | findlay | cosmic proportions |
| 06:43.28 | findlay | there's no way you could even come close with man made fusion |
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| 07:04.58 | levi_home | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/105685.aspx |
| 07:05.21 | levi_home | There are some mathematically-savvy people there that explain some of the implications of the 'transreal' thing. |
| 07:05.43 | levi_home | Anyway, time to sleep. |
| 12:28.14 | emcnabb | good morning |
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| 14:35.19 | redbeard1 | oog |
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| 14:53.16 | goozbach | bad oppisite day! |
| 14:56.02 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you mean opposite? |
| 14:57.50 | atoponce | http://www.siteuri.ro/dvorak/ |
| 15:01.57 | goozbach | yeah |
| 15:02.10 | goozbach | I mean, NO! |
| 15:06.50 | atoponce | the truth hurts, no? :) |
| 15:07.11 | redbeard1 | dvorak, huh? |
| 15:07.21 | redbeard1 | composer? |
| 15:07.24 | redbeard1 | decomposer? |
| 15:09.00 | atoponce | good program to compare keyboard layout effeciencies: alphabetical, qwerty, dvorak, ddvorak and colemak |
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| 15:22.41 | graphyx | Is there a way to change a windows layout to DDvorak? |
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| 15:24.32 | atoponce | i don't think so. the ddvorak is developed by him, so i think you would need a program to manually remap the keys |
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| 15:26.33 | calvarez | rofl |
| 15:26.59 | calvarez | VB became more popular than PHP in this year only |
| 15:27.01 | calvarez | http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index |
| 15:27.05 | calvarez | ahahahaha |
| 15:27.38 | calvarez | PHP is on decline |
| 15:28.59 | graphyx | wow, I current list 5 out of the top 6 on my resume. |
| 15:33.33 | Supaplex | graphyx: input settings in the control panel |
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| 15:34.56 | graphyx | Supaplex: I have already switched to dvorak, but what about ddvorak? |
| 15:35.10 | calvarez | hmm, I do 4 :/ |
| 15:35.11 | graphyx | nvw |
| 15:35.22 | graphyx | I found it. |
| 15:35.28 | Supaplex | oh? didn't know that was different. |
| 15:35.32 | atoponce | graphyx: really? |
| 15:35.41 | atoponce | how/ |
| 15:35.43 | atoponce | ? |
| 15:36.02 | calvarez | I despise Java with a passion, but I have o acknowledge that my previous comments inm this channel about Java were innacurate |
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| 15:36.13 | graphyx | http://www.siteuri.ro/dvorak/wddvorak.php |
| 15:36.37 | calvarez | hmm, I'm gonna learn Python |
| 15:37.06 | calvarez | for all of my non-serious programming needs |
| 15:38.19 | atoponce | ohh. i see. need to download some software. |
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| 15:51.15 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: pong |
| 15:54.38 | graphyx | my question is this: Will the password screen always be in qwerty? |
| 15:55.29 | graphyx | when I set my computer to boot up in dvorak? |
| 15:55.47 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 15:57.00 | graphyx | ok, I have found one issue with ddvorak! |
| 15:57.25 | Supaplex | only one? |
| 15:57.45 | Supaplex | it's harder to type pebcak? ;) |
| 15:58.09 | graphyx | to type ? you have to hit right alt-o (qwerty layout) |
| 15:58.24 | graphyx | thats not nice. |
| 15:58.50 | Supaplex | just teasin' :) |
| 16:00.25 | Supaplex | sorry if it bugs you :-/ |
| 16:00.41 | graphyx | Supaplex: I was talking about the layout, not you. |
| 16:01.02 | graphyx | you're fine. |
| 16:01.45 | Supaplex | hehe oh, ok :) |
| 16:01.56 | graphyx | boo, |
| 16:05.44 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:06.18 | redbeard1 | blarg. |
| 16:07.00 | levi | Yo. |
| 16:09.32 | maquis | *grunt* |
| 16:11.36 | levi | Bunch of happy campers this morning. |
| 16:12.20 | levi | The iTMS has Sarah McLachlan's Silent Night as the free download this week. |
| 16:12.38 | levi | redbeard1: Okay, you've got a good excuse for blarg. |
| 16:12.48 | levi | maquis: What's your excuse? |
| 16:13.05 | maquis | it's early |
| 16:13.15 | maquis | and somebody turned on the lights a few minutes ago |
| 16:13.18 | maquis | :( |
| 16:13.23 | redbeard1 | maquis is mad at me for buying SNL season one from costco instead of amazon |
| 16:13.23 | goozbach | blargfooblarg! |
| 16:13.28 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 16:13.30 | maquis | that too |
| 16:13.41 | redbeard1 | costco: $40, amazon: $46 |
| 16:13.43 | elg | sweet. autoaway in irssi working perfectly |
| 16:13.46 | levi | Anyone here like Stargate SG-1? |
| 16:13.57 | elg | levi: I've enjoyed watching it from time to time |
| 16:13.58 | redbeard1 | costco: instant gratification, amazon: supersaver shipping |
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| 16:14.23 | levi | elg: Avoid showing the pilot on the DVD to kids, unless you want to do some explaining. :) |
| 16:14.35 | elg | what's the surprise? |
| 16:14.45 | maquis | levi: i like sg1 |
| 16:14.47 | levi | A little bit of nudity. |
| 16:15.45 | elg | ok |
| 16:15.50 | elg | did you show it to kids? |
| 16:16.02 | levi | Nope. |
| 16:16.04 | elg | is that different from the on-air pilot? |
| 16:16.10 | elg | i never watched that |
| 16:16.23 | elg | i reckon i've watched maybe a dozen episodes over the years |
| 16:16.33 | levi | I don't know. I don't imagine they'd show full female nudity on TV, though. |
| 16:16.54 | Lone_Wanderer | isn't SG on cable? |
| 16:17.11 | elg | sci fi channel now (or was until it finished) |
| 16:17.14 | elg | but it started out on network |
| 16:17.23 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 16:18.11 | levi | I'm sure they had different camera angles rolling. There was another similar scene that didn't show anything due to the camera angles. |
| 16:18.49 | Lone_Wanderer | clever. one camera for network, one camera for cable. |
| 16:19.03 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, ping again, but I'll return in maybe ~1h... have a few questions |
| 16:19.24 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: k. I'll be around this morning but gone after that |
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| 16:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, should be fine :) |
| 16:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | bbs |
| 16:19.41 | levi | I think the Dune miniseries had some extra-racy scenes on DVD that didn't show on cable. |
| 16:19.56 | levi | Didn't watch that one myself, though. |
| 16:20.02 | goozbach | levi: SG1 started on showtime |
| 16:20.09 | Lone_Wanderer | maquis |
| 16:20.18 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:20.19 | goozbach | hence the nudity |
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| 16:20.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I heard a thing about a spy in France during WWII |
| 16:20.32 | goozbach | it cought me offguard as well |
| 16:20.40 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: who was in a group called the maquis? |
| 16:20.41 | goozbach | I just started into season 1 |
| 16:20.45 | Lone_Wanderer | she helped run a network of geurilla fighters called... yes |
| 16:21.03 | maquis | yup |
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| 16:21.20 | goozbach | levi: you're right again the miniseries DVD is also not-network-tv ready |
| 16:21.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Did you already know about that, or did you hear the same program on NPR last night? :p |
| 16:21.29 | elg | goozbach: really? i thought I used to occasionally watch an episode during the first season or two, but we didn't have showtime |
| 16:21.29 | maquis | the group in star trek was named after that group, which is named after a type of scrubbrush that grows in southern france :) |
| 16:21.40 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 16:21.41 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: i knew about that before |
| 16:21.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Now I want to get some of that brush |
| 16:22.12 | graphyx | goozbach: my wife and I had the same thing with SG1 |
| 16:22.15 | Lone_Wanderer | so I can say "I need to go trim my maquis" and people will wonder what I'm talking about |
| 16:22.26 | maquis | lol |
| 16:23.06 | goozbach | elg: seasons 1-5 were on showtime |
| 16:24.12 | levi | goozbach: Perhaps showtime syndicated them? |
| 16:24.42 | Sargun | tiwula, ! |
| 16:27.46 | graphyx | So did mheath leave for the navy? |
| 16:28.12 | Lone_Wanderer | the navy? |
| 16:28.33 | emcnabb | graphyx: I was wondering that myself |
| 16:28.34 | graphyx | Password stuff will be the bane of Dvorak for me. |
| 16:28.43 | emcnabb | he's still logged in |
| 16:28.51 | emcnabb | mheath, are you around? |
| 16:29.11 | Lone_Wanderer | The bane of Dvorak for me is his Slavonik dances. They just don't move me like his more romantic works do. |
| 16:29.32 | elg | he was supposed to have left by now, I think |
| 16:29.45 | elg | maybe he's going to idle through boot camp |
| 16:29.52 | graphyx | Lone_Wanderer: thanks. |
| 16:29.59 | emcnabb | maybe he's back already |
| 16:30.04 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 16:30.47 | dataw0lf | god I need a cigarette |
| 16:31.00 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I very much prefer the composer to the keyboard layout or the magazine pundit. |
| 16:31.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Trying to quit? |
| 16:31.14 | graphyx | maybe someone should interupt his connection just to see when he gets back. |
| 16:31.14 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I'm listening to Dvorak now. |
| 16:31.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, I didn't know there was a magazine pundit |
| 16:31.18 | dataw0lf | Trying? There is no try. I shall succeed! |
| 16:31.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, what I meant is, are you in the process of quitting |
| 16:31.43 | dataw0lf | right. |
| 16:31.50 | dataw0lf | the lady ordered me to. |
| 16:32.08 | graphyx | dataw0lf: good for you. My little bro just quit a little while ago. |
| 16:32.33 | dataw0lf | well you can only take so much of 'omg you taste like an ashtray!' |
| 16:32.55 | Lone_Wanderer | There is that. |
| 16:33.31 | dataw0lf | personally, I wasn't too worried, because obviously I plan on replacing most of my body with cybernetics by 2030 |
| 16:33.39 | graphyx | lol |
| 16:34.00 | dataw0lf | but for love, you do whatcha gotta do |
| 16:40.24 | phinux | dataw0lf, if it isn't too rude, may I ask why you started smoking? |
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| 16:43.14 | elg | if it's not too rude you may |
| 16:44.06 | dataw0lf | because you get a buzz at first |
| 16:44.26 | dataw0lf | and I have one heck of a oral fixation |
| 16:44.36 | dataw0lf | I chew on everything |
| 16:44.45 | dataw0lf | my desk looks like I keep a pack of dogs on it |
| 16:45.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet your girlfriend doesn't mind that at all. |
| 16:45.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I've thought about making and selling human chew toys |
| 16:46.19 | Lone_Wanderer | little matchstick-sized pieces of something fairly durable but also edible |
| 16:46.34 | dataw0lf | yea, they're called 'toothpicks' |
| 16:46.36 | elg | that's what chicken cartilege is for |
| 16:46.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I normally use sunflower seeds but eventually the salt ends up being too much |
| 16:47.07 | dataw0lf | and why chew on those when you can chew on your permanent marker and splash ink all over your face once you chew thru? |
| 16:47.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Because permanent ink is toxic? |
| 16:47.50 | dataw0lf | I get a mouthful at least once a month |
| 16:47.54 | dataw0lf | and a faceful |
| 16:48.00 | dataw0lf | and half my shirt |
| 16:48.09 | Lone_Wanderer | How does it taste? |
| 16:48.27 | dataw0lf | chemicalish |
| 16:48.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I imagine that it would be rather nasty. |
| 16:49.22 | dataw0lf | oh, after eating MREs for months straight, I barely taste anything at all |
| 16:49.22 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
| 16:50.22 | dataw0lf | anyone know of an image map version of this: http://localedu.com/ that I can totally rip off? |
| 16:51.57 | redbeard1 | dataw0lf: max.com used to have one |
| 16:52.05 | redbeard1 | dunno if they've gone under yet tho |
| 16:53.11 | dataw0lf | oh wow, max.com has a quote from Chuck Norris |
| 16:53.13 | dataw0lf | I'm sold |
| 16:54.42 | Lone_Wanderer | and a super-hot girl on their front page |
| 16:55.04 | dataw0lf | Chuck Norris would totally roundhouse kick her. |
| 16:55.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh and they sell a product that claims to replace decent parenting with an algorithm |
| 16:55.30 | Lone_Wanderer | This one's totally going in the blog. |
| 16:56.11 | dataw0lf | if(kids) { tv->on; } works for most Americans, so it looks like an improvement. |
| 16:56.16 | levi | Sweet, Chuck Norris. |
| 16:56.35 | levi | I don't see a super-hot girl, though. |
| 16:57.02 | dataw0lf | Saddam Hussein was not found hiding in a 'hole'. Saddam was roundhouse-kicked in the head by Chuck Norris in Kansas, which sent him through the earth, stopping just short of the surface of Iraq. |
| 16:57.15 | Jayce^ | heh, harleypig did some work for that max/chuck norris group before.. |
| 16:58.05 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I go for girls that are not jailbait. :P |
| 16:58.11 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 16:58.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there an HTML entity (or whatever) that makes a check mark? |
| 16:58.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Pfsh, she's at least 20. |
| 16:58.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Although I am a notoriously bad judge of these things =\ |
| 16:59.07 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Like : ☒ ? |
| 16:59.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Pun not intended. |
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| 16:59.29 | dataw0lf | or ✓ |
| 16:59.35 | levi | Perhaps she just looks particularly young because I'm old. |
| 16:59.40 | Lone_Wanderer | How old are you? |
| 16:59.42 | levi | But, yeah, way too young for me. |
| 16:59.44 | dataw0lf | or ✔ |
| 16:59.45 | levi | 30. |
| 17:00.05 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, ping |
| 17:00.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm 28... |
| 17:00.13 | levi | I'd guess the girl was 16 or so. |
| 17:00.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Nooooo |
| 17:00.33 | dataw0lf | I'd say 19 |
| 17:00.34 | levi | I have nieces about that age. |
| 17:00.53 | Lone_Wanderer | where did you find those dw? |
| 17:01.13 | dataw0lf | http://www.bigbaer.com/sidebars/entities/ |
| 17:01.20 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 17:01.24 | dataw0lf | np |
| 17:02.57 | graphyx | the copy says protect your kids. I'd say she is > 18. |
| 17:03.11 | SB1-Laptop | Do I dare ask what you guys are looking at? |
| 17:03.15 | Lone_Wanderer | max.com |
| 17:03.32 | levi | graphyx: If she's > 18, why would she need protecting? |
| 17:03.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Because women are weak and require protection. |
| 17:03.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Duh. |
| 17:04.01 | dataw0lf | whoooa |
| 17:04.07 | dataw0lf | let's not go there. |
| 17:04.12 | levi | SB1-Laptop: There's nothing untoward about it. Just some young girl using a mac and Chuck Norris. |
| 17:04.38 | graphyx | er.. I meant < 18. |
| 17:04.57 | SB1-Laptop | And chuck norris? |
| 17:05.00 | SB1-Laptop | what the..? |
| 17:05.38 | levi | Chuck Norris is now a conservative Christian of some sort and lends himself to all sorts of those kinds of causes. |
| 17:06.06 | levi | (He may have been before, but he seems more vocal about it now) |
| 17:06.09 | SB1-Laptop | .... and there's Chuck Norris all right. |
| 17:06.52 | levi | A lot of people who helped propagate the Chuck Norris meme lately were a bit disappointed to discover what's he's been up to lately. |
| 17:07.20 | SB1-Laptop | Just due to the nature of it, I'm sure |
| 17:08.13 | dataw0lf | dude, Chuck Norris is a conservative Christian??! |
| 17:08.38 | levi | Yup. |
| 17:09.34 | dataw0lf | well, if chuck norris loves jesus, I love jesus. |
| 17:13.36 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: pon |
| 17:13.40 | tensai | er, pong |
| 17:13.46 | SB1-Laptop | hehe, +g there |
| 17:13.49 | redbeard1 | ~lart tensai |
| 17:14.03 | SB1-Laptop | All right. Just one question really |
| 17:14.07 | tensai | redbeard1: made tamales yet? |
| 17:14.14 | redbeard1 | tensai: nope |
| 17:14.39 | SB1-Laptop | We may be looking at expanding more, which means more point to point T1 lines and more remote offices... likewise, I need some form of testbed to help debug and setup ahead of time |
| 17:15.07 | tensai | redbeard1: we had some last saturday. I made a cream cheese and sour cream mixture to top them. mmm... |
| 17:15.12 | SB1-Laptop | With my PCI T1 cards, could I in theory, just plug in some ethernet between two cards, or would I need additional equiptment? |
| 17:16.45 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: so you've got card1 in server1 and card2 in server2. you want to connect card1 to card2 and have them communicate without an actual t1? |
| 17:17.20 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, essentially.. some way to debug and config the software on server1 and server2 |
| 17:17.44 | SB1-Laptop | All of the smaller remote sites are PCI T1 card + embedded board, OS stored on a CF card |
| 17:17.48 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: you couldn't use a straight through ethernet, nor an ethernet cross-over. you'd have to use a t1 cross-over. |
| 17:18.02 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, and where could I pull one of those from? |
| 17:18.16 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: otherwise it would work fine. you set one card to generate timing and the other to read timing from the line |
| 17:18.37 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: make your own. swap pairs 1&2 with 4&5 |
| 17:19.03 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, awesome.. I don't need to worry about voltages or anything? |
| 17:19.11 | tensai | nope |
| 17:19.30 | SB1-Laptop | Do I just swap 1/2 with 4/5 on one end or both? |
| 17:19.47 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: if you swap it on both ends you've just made a straight through :) |
| 17:20.01 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, ah right, the "crossover" bit ;) |
| 17:20.43 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: I've set up voice t1s with cross-over, but never a data t1. same difference though |
| 17:21.20 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: you'd also be wise to make up a few loopback plugs. very handy for testing. |
| 17:22.18 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, yeah, as long as the frames move from one end to the other, who cares what's in them? |
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| 17:22.18 | SB1-Laptop | Loopback plugs? |
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| 17:22.18 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: just take a single pair, run it from 1/2 to 4/5 |
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| 17:22.18 | tensai | http://www.bluewolfspirit.com/blog/T1Loopback.jpg |
| 17:22.32 | SB1-Laptop | Oh, okay, gotcha |
| 17:22.57 | SB1-Laptop | In one end and out... the same! |
| 17:23.23 | tensai | yup. combined with an inline coupler and you can test either end from either end |
| 17:23.58 | SB1-Laptop | Now to find where I left my spool of RJ45... |
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| 17:26.48 | SB1-Laptop | tensai, have you worked with the zaptel cards at all? |
| 17:27.14 | tensai | SB1-Laptop: just the cheap knock-offs |
| 17:27.29 | SB1-Laptop | heh, those being? |
| 17:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I hate ODBC even though I don't know anything about it. |
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| 17:40.05 | levi | SB1-Laptop: You have a spool of RJ-45 connectors? Or do you mean a spool of CAT-5 cable? |
| 17:40.13 | SB1-Laptop | levi, the latter |
| 17:40.35 | SB1-Laptop | I do however, have three bags of 100 RJ45 headers sitting here |
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| 17:43.34 | SB1-Laptop | Bah, all of the CAT5 is in the other building.. |
| 17:43.37 | SB1-Laptop | Sigh, bbl |
| 17:47.09 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 17:58.33 | findlay | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3774/ |
| 17:58.53 | findlay | somebody look at that page and tell me where to click to install the theme |
| 18:00.17 | levi | findlay: It would probably be where the firefox emblem is if you were on Windows. |
| 18:00.45 | levi | findlay: You might notice the line that says "GNOME Firefox Theme is not available for Linux" |
| 18:01.11 | findlay | when I mouse over the firefox icon it does nothing special |
| 18:01.14 | findlay | oh, heh |
| 18:01.26 | findlay | well, this is the one I was looking for anyway |
| 18:01.28 | findlay | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3814/ |
| 18:02.26 | levi | There, you click on the big green thing. :) |
| 18:03.28 | findlay | ok, got it |
| 18:04.13 | findlay | will I have to reboot my computer? |
| 18:07.07 | levi | No, but you will have to restart firefox. |
| 18:07.28 | findlay | I think I should reboot just to make sure |
| 18:09.00 | levi | If it makes you feel better. |
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| 18:23.58 | Lone_Wanderer | "You can read and speak English, Klingon and Quenya and you don't know how to communicate?" |
| 18:24.17 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: i like that quote |
| 18:24.32 | Lone_Wanderer | It's t-shirt worthy. |
| 18:24.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I need a t-shirt that's got that electronic ink on it |
| 18:24.46 | Lone_Wanderer | so I can change the quote daily |
| 18:25.23 | findlay | ~quote maquis |
| 18:25.42 | maquis | ~quote scox |
| 18:25.50 | maquis | it went up? |
| 18:25.53 | maquis | how'd it do that? |
| 18:25.56 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 18:28.56 | findlay | ~quote rhat |
| 18:29.02 | findlay | ~quote rht |
| 18:29.45 | maquis | ~quote google |
| 18:33.01 | findlay | ~quote goog |
| 18:35.53 | Supaplex | my goodness |
| 18:38.21 | findlay | ~quote msft |
| 18:42.53 | graphyx | ~quote acxm |
| 18:43.51 | graphyx | looks like my employer is doing well compared to those other ones. |
| 18:46.01 | findlay | ~quote findlay's employer |
| 18:47.07 | findlay | doesn't look so good |
| 18:48.22 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 18:49.01 | findlay | haha, it went down more |
| 18:49.06 | maquis | :( |
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| 18:59.33 | findlay | I wonder how the price of share is a function of trading volume |
| 19:00.19 | calvarez | hello, emo kids |
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| 19:27.34 | bonez39 | anyone using a really great foss ledger, such as gnucash, or sqlledger, which also produces invoices AND shipping labels, ... bills of laden.... etc.? |
| 19:28.57 | elg | calvarez is hhhhhhhhhh? |
| 19:29.27 | elg | is it just me or was he less inflamatory as hhhhhhhhhh? :) |
| 19:42.20 | graphyx | Hhhhhhhh makes less noise. |
| 19:42.38 | goozbach | redbeard1, shown up: http://digg.com/gaming_news/The_Top_10_Gamer_Cakes |
| 19:42.42 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:43.15 | findlay | I wonder what a gamer cake is |
| 19:44.01 | redbeard1 | looks like the link on that page 404'd |
| 19:44.07 | redbeard1 | i'm on there tho? |
| 19:44.42 | goozbach | no, you're shown up by those cakes :) |
| 19:44.47 | redbeard1 | bummer. |
| 19:45.02 | redbeard1 | i had my hopes up. |
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| 19:45.47 | goozbach | http://www.flickr.com/photos/cotepka/248011303/ |
| 19:46.25 | elg | not shown up. the only one even close to his level is the mario wedding cake |
| 19:46.35 | redbeard1 | wow. some of those really suck. |
| 19:46.51 | redbeard1 | i've seen the mario cake before tho. |
| 19:47.16 | redbeard1 | i have to wonder about the order of those |
| 19:47.59 | redbeard1 | the link goozbach just posted, and the mario cake, are the only really good ones |
| 19:48.52 | goozbach | http://www.flickr.com/photos/alttext/246142953/ |
| 19:49.09 | goozbach | elg: it was said tounge in cheek |
| 19:49.32 | redbeard1 | engadget had a cake contest this year |
| 19:49.39 | redbeard1 | you guys see that? |
| 19:50.39 | redbeard1 | i thought their 1st and 2nd place should be switched, but there was some good work there |
| 19:51.04 | levi | elg: Yes, calvarez and Hhhhh are one and the same. |
| 19:51.07 | redbeard1 | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/16/engadgets-birthday-cake-winners/ |
| 19:51.25 | redbeard1 | hmmm... maybe not second. but i definitely didn't agree with first. |
| 19:54.30 | levi | Heh, laser-CNCing your cake is an interesting approach. |
| 19:54.46 | redbeard1 | CNC? |
| 19:55.29 | levi | It's a machine that takes a computer description of your model and cuts your raw material to shape. |
| 19:56.05 | levi | You usually use them with aluminum or something, not cake. :) |
| 19:56.35 | redbeard1 | ah, one of them |
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| 20:26.15 | elg | calva calva calva calva calva calvaahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:26.18 | elg | he comes and goes |
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| 20:32.14 | ^Migs^ | nothing like using taxpayers' money to go to restaurants |
| 20:33.55 | elg | sure there is |
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| 20:37.28 | Hhhhh | I do |
| 20:37.38 | Hhhhh | I'm like the wind, free-spirited and all |
| 20:37.57 | Hhhhh | ^Migs^, I use taxpayers' money to go to the restaurant |
| 20:37.57 | Hhhhh | for real |
| 20:39.49 | maquis | ~lart Hhhhh |
| 20:39.59 | Hhhhh | why? |
| 20:40.09 | maquis | why not? |
| 20:42.50 | goozbach | I use the taxpayers' money for EVERYTHING |
| 20:43.02 | goozbach | it buys my gas, |
| 20:43.05 | goozbach | my food |
| 20:43.08 | goozbach | my new toys |
| 20:43.11 | elg | i use the taxpayers as slaves. forget their money |
| 20:44.51 | Tene | Yesterday I used taxpayers' money to buy christmas gifts and chocolate. |
| 20:45.28 | elg | how ironic. i used chocolate to buy a taxpayer |
| 20:46.04 | Hhhhh | I feel entitled to tax money |
| 20:46.13 | Hhhhh | after all I've been through |
| 20:46.28 | Hhhhh | being the way I am and all |
| 20:46.54 | elg | are you saying you're made of chocolate? |
| 20:47.09 | Hhhhh | don't demean me |
| 20:47.17 | vontrapp | how come only about a third of the classes i've taken in the past actually show a teacher on em? |
| 20:47.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I bemoan you instead? |
| 20:47.34 | Hhhhh | no, but you can moan if you want to |
| 20:47.35 | vontrapp | one of the ones that doesn't show a teacher is the one i want to know who the teacher was :( |
| 20:47.38 | elg | what's mean about chocolate? |
| 20:47.58 | Hhhhh | vontrapp, what classes are those? |
| 20:48.40 | vontrapp | whatever classes |
| 20:48.49 | vontrapp | like rel 301 and math 343 |
| 20:48.56 | vontrapp | and a bunch of others |
| 20:49.00 | vontrapp | math 343 is the one i want |
| 20:49.33 | Hhhhh | do you know the names of the sections? |
| 20:49.41 | Hhhhh | I can recommend a few math teachers |
| 20:49.49 | vontrapp | i took it for a whole week then dropped it, but i want that same teacher again |
| 20:49.55 | Hhhhh | who was it? |
| 20:50.11 | vontrapp | Hhhhh: ok, there's lawlor, tolman, lang, mckkay, and kuttler |
| 20:50.19 | Hhhhh | mckay is good |
| 20:50.24 | Hhhhh | tolman is all right too |
| 20:50.31 | Hhhhh | I don't know the other ones |
| 20:50.40 | Hhhhh | tolman is a little boring though |
| 20:50.48 | vontrapp | Hhhhh: some guy from bulgaria or something like that |
| 20:50.49 | vontrapp | was his first time teaching at byu |
| 20:50.55 | vontrapp | jacob said tolman was ok, but not great |
| 20:50.55 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 20:51.05 | Hhhhh | yea, tolman is ok but not great |
| 20:51.28 | Hhhhh | it's not one of those teachers you have to avoid or anything like that |
| 20:51.28 | Hhhhh | but he's not very good at answering questions |
| 20:51.37 | vontrapp | anyway, the guy i had was fun, non-lds, and had a cool accent, and it was 2 years ago |
| 20:51.49 | ^Migs^ | NON-LDS!?!?!?!?! |
| 20:52.17 | Hhhhh | ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!! |
| 20:52.19 | vontrapp | i don't know if he's still teaching or remember his name |
| 20:52.20 | Hhhhh | W00T!! |
| 20:52.22 | Hhhhh | W00T!! |
| 20:52.24 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 20:52.33 | Hhhhh | there are several non-LDS teachers at BYU |
| 20:53.04 | Hhhhh | he may have been a PhD student |
| 20:53.33 | Hhhhh | I know tolman and mckay, and I'd recommend mckay |
| 20:54.07 | Hhhhh | anyways |
| 20:54.07 | Hhhhh | vontrapp, what major are you? |
| 20:54.07 | Hhhhh | CS? ECEn? |
| 20:54.22 | vontrapp | CS |
| 20:57.15 | Hhhhh | are you planning on doing grad school? |
| 20:57.44 | vontrapp | don't know |
| 20:58.04 | Hhhhh | are you planning on going into research or industry? |
| 20:58.11 | elg | haven't you heard? what you don't know can kill you |
| 20:58.20 | Lone_Wanderer | http://xkcd.com/verizon/ |
| 20:58.59 | goozbach | I want to fly a coal powered bi-plane |
| 20:59.15 | elg | why coal powered? |
| 21:00.05 | Hhhhh | a coal-powered bisexual plane? |
| 21:00.05 | vontrapp | to write things in the sky, of course |
| 21:00.14 | Hhhhh | that sounds naughty |
| 21:00.26 | maquis | Hhhhh: only when you put it that way |
| 21:00.48 | Hhhhh | oh, I get it, so now it is MY fault |
| 21:00.53 | Hhhhh | great |
| 21:02.15 | Hhhhh | It's not my fault that goozbach wants to ride weird stuff with naughty names |
| 21:18.02 | goozbach | Hhhhh: get your mind out of the gutter |
| 21:18.19 | Hhhhh | hmm? |
| 21:19.59 | goozbach | I wonder if a coal powered plane would fly... |
| 21:30.04 | findlay | energy from coal is very inefficient |
| 21:30.14 | findlay | if you could increase the efficiency, it could work |
| 21:30.25 | findlay | coal has lots of energy |
| 21:33.24 | goozbach | I know |
| 21:33.30 | goozbach | it's pretty heavy as well |
| 21:33.35 | goozbach | so range would be low |
| 21:33.48 | goozbach | maybe some sort of coal-dust thing |
| 21:34.34 | calvarez | nuclear energy is efficient |
| 21:34.38 | calvarez | but it is not clean |
| 21:34.40 | findlay | a lot of coal power plants in Utah burn very fine coal powder |
| 21:34.55 | findlay | it burns hotter and more efficiently that way I think |
| 21:35.23 | findlay | clean calvarez |
| 21:35.27 | findlay | ~clean calvarez |
| 21:35.39 | ibot | ACTION nukes calvarez room and sdays to calvarez: Und zie problem is solved |
| 21:35.54 | Hhhhh | ~clean findlay |
| 21:35.56 | ibot | ACTION nukes findlay room and sdays to findlay: Und zie problem is solved |
| 21:36.35 | findlay | ibot: you know you're not supposed to use nukes in the room |
| 21:43.35 | findlay | maybe a coal powered triplane |
| 21:44.00 | findlay | or quadplane |
| 21:44.31 | goozbach | liquid fuel is more efficent |
| 21:44.34 | goozbach | dang |
| 21:45.04 | goozbach | I wanted a coal-powered space plane |
| 21:45.10 | goozbach | with TWO wings |
| 21:45.29 | goozbach | seeing as how some people in the channel cannot handle the prefix "bi" |
| 21:46.13 | maquis | goozbach: you mean 2 sets of wings |
| 21:46.25 | goozbach | maquis: I mean two wings |
| 21:46.32 | maquis | as opposed to 4? |
| 21:46.37 | goozbach | a dorsal wing |
| 21:46.40 | findlay | n sets |
| 21:46.52 | findlay | and lim_{n->\infty} |
| 21:47.04 | goozbach | no, just two wings |
| 21:47.43 | ^Migs^ | why not 10 wings? |
| 21:47.51 | ^Migs^ | the more wings, the faster it'll go, right? |
| 21:48.08 | goozbach | and we could power it by pedaling |
| 21:48.15 | ^Migs^ | that's why 2-winged birds always go faster than 0-winged birds |
| 21:53.18 | goozbach | wingalinadingdong |
| 21:53.23 | goozbach | pineapple |
| 21:53.42 | Hhhhh | if the wings are set perpendicularly to the direction you want to go at, the more wings the slower you will move in that direction |
| 21:54.06 | Hhhhh | hmm, 1-wing bird is faster than 0-wing bird |
| 21:54.18 | Hhhhh | and 2-wing bird is faster than 1 wing bird |
| 21:54.30 | Hhhhh | I just proved by induction that more wings means faster |
| 21:54.54 | ^Migs^ | precisely |
| 21:55.03 | ^Migs^ | hence, the next logical evolutionary step will be 3-winged birds |
| 21:55.29 | ^Migs^ | unless we genetically engineer 20-winged birds, so after that the next logical step will be 21-winged bids |
| 21:55.30 | ^Migs^ | *birds |
| 21:56.07 | goozbach | then we'll have a wings race |
| 21:56.15 | ^Migs^ | I'm craving chicken wings |
| 21:56.27 | goozbach | and wingers will have a bumper crop to pick from |
| 21:56.34 | goozbach | and they might get one in TALLY! |
| 22:00.22 | Tene | So, who's going to PLUG tonight? |
| 22:01.29 | findlay | I am if I don't fall asleep by then |
| 22:02.46 | Tene | Anything specific you'd like me to try to cover? |
| 22:04.01 | findlay | nuclear perl |
| 22:04.19 | Tene | Does that have any real meaning, or is it silliness? |
| 22:04.29 | elg | this is findl |
| 22:04.38 | findlay | you can assign any meaning you want I suppose |
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| 22:05.53 | findlay | like 'how cpan can help with Hatch's computer self descruction idea when that user malignantly downloads copyrighted booty' |
| 22:06.11 | findlay | man, I'm tired |
| 22:06.27 | redbeard1 | findlay: i have you beat |
| 22:08.52 | elg | ~beat redbeard1 |
| 22:08.55 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats redbeard1 over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 22:09.54 | redbeard1 | ~smack elg |
| 22:09.55 | ibot | ACTION smacks elg upside the head. |
| 22:14.25 | redbeard1 | i wish i could go home to sleep |
| 22:34.40 | findlay | now I go |
| 22:34.49 | findlay | after having resolved one more bug |
| 22:35.08 | ^Migs^ | GAH I haven't done any Christmas shopping fwtwfwtwefwtw |
| 22:35.17 | findlay | ~shop for ^Migs^ |
| 22:36.26 | Tene | When does PLUG start tonight? |
| 22:37.07 | findlay | 7:30 |
| 22:40.12 | Jayce^ | and at 6:30 spr is presenting on Oggify |
| 22:40.37 | spr | v1.0 :) It sounds so nice |
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| 23:07.21 | tuple | i'm a moron |
| 23:07.43 | Tene | yay! |
| 23:07.47 | tuple | flightgear getting 40-50 fps (oustide san francisco) on my macbook now |
| 23:07.56 | tuple | what was the problem? anyone want to wager a guess? |
| 23:09.04 | tuple | you're right! I was using a ppc binary |
| 23:09.34 | findlay | how hard was it to compile it? |
| 23:09.34 | Jayce^ | good one tuple |
| 23:09.55 | findlay | oh, your macbook is not ppc? |
| 23:10.38 | tuple | findlay: the 0.9.9 binary is ppc only apparently. the 0.9.10 prerelease binary is universal |
| 23:10.51 | tuple | in my defense, that one isn't linked to from the homepage |
| 23:10.56 | Jayce^ | ~lart tuple |
| 23:11.03 | tuple | (separate project maintains the os x distribution) |
| 23:11.06 | tuple | macflightgear.org |
| 23:11.25 | tuple | er, um, macflightgear.sf.net |
| 23:23.41 | levi | tuple: I didn't think the MacBook video cards were /that/ bad. |
| 23:24.08 | levi | tuple: Glad to hear it was a PEBKAC problem. ;) |
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