| 00:00.04 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000F4CTUK/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1/002-5502589-9456833 <-- one of my teammates got this for free in a raffle.... and he's trying to re-sell it |
| 00:01.06 | phinux | Nice! |
| 00:01.20 | maquis | my other teammates are trying to convince him to keep it til after the superbowl |
| 00:01.32 | phinux | Is he nit a TV fan? |
| 00:01.37 | phinux | s/nit/not |
| 00:01.44 | maquis | he thinks the tv is too big |
| 00:03.15 | maquis | yipes... can we please turn off the AC? |
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| 00:07.18 | nick125_lappy | wee... |
| 00:08.14 | nick125_lappy | I'm getting better at dvorak.. |
| 00:09.30 | jsmith | maquis: How much does he want for it?!? |
| 00:10.23 | maquis | jsmith: i doubt he's interested in shipping, but currently he's looking at selling it for $1869 |
| 00:10.58 | jsmith | Hmmmmnnnn.... |
| 00:11.05 | jsmith | Yeah, shipping's always the problem on something like that |
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| 00:23.46 | findlay | hello |
| 00:33.06 | findlay | nobody wants to talk to me |
| 00:33.26 | maquis | ~depress findlay |
| 00:33.35 | ibot | ACTION kills a kitten and makes findlay watch |
| 00:33.46 | findlay | actually I need to put away my laundry |
| 00:35.00 | Supaplex | would you like a head cold with that? *ACHOO* |
| 00:35.44 | findlay | ~cool Supaplex's head |
| 00:35.52 | ibot | there, there, everything is going to fix out Supaplex's head. |
| 00:36.16 | findlay | ~heat maquis' manager... |
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| 01:29.25 | mrpull-lt | Ba Ba Ba Baaaaa (the MNF theme) |
| 01:38.34 | goozbach | anyone ever wonderd where the red brick road leads? |
| 01:41.39 | nick125_lappy | I'm really bored... |
| 01:54.45 | Sargun | Ba Ba Black sheep, have you any wool? |
| 01:56.43 | nick125_lappy | what the heck... |
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| 02:33.29 | levi_home | Yay, my finals are over and my belly is full. |
| 02:37.04 | Tene | of finals? |
| 02:37.50 | levi_home | Of pizza. |
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| 02:38.32 | Tene | Finals pizza? |
| 02:43.01 | levi_home | Pizza at home, because we wanted pizza. |
| 02:45.21 | Tene | Made of finals? |
| 02:45.34 | graphyx | that would taste pretty bad. |
| 02:45.45 | Tene | Maybe. |
| 03:04.55 | goozbach | I blam canada |
| 03:04.57 | goozbach | BOO! |
| 03:04.59 | goozbach | hoo! |
| 03:19.20 | graphyx | who doesn't? |
| 03:22.37 | goozbach | blam! canada |
| 03:22.55 | goozbach | ~blam canada |
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| 04:29.15 | findlay | ~blame goozbach for bad finally pizza |
| 04:29.16 | ibot | ACTION blames levi_home and perhaps goozbach for bad finally pizza and the end of the world as we know it |
| 04:29.41 | findlay | levi_home: I didn't know your finals were one of the signs of the end of the world |
| 04:34.28 | levi_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.52 | goozbach | ibot: blam $sjanen is <action> blams findlay and $sjansen in the head with a blam-o-tron. |
| 04:38.55 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 04:39.06 | goozbach | ~blam canada |
| 04:39.07 | ibot | ACTION blams findlay and $sjansen in the head with a blam-o-tron. |
| 04:40.33 | Tene | Anyone know anything about ghc on debian or ubuntu? |
| 04:40.35 | Tene | or OSX? |
| 04:41.25 | findlay | goozbach: $sjanen is misspelled? |
| 04:41.54 | Tene | ~spell sjanen |
| 04:42.31 | findlay | Tene: gigantic hairy computer? |
| 04:42.52 | Tene | glasgow haskell compiler |
| 04:42.53 | findlay | from now on I'm calling sjansen Janina |
| 04:42.59 | Tene | http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ |
| 04:43.00 | findlay | oh, close |
| 04:47.22 | findlay | ~compile haskell |
| 04:50.53 | goozbach | bah |
| 04:50.56 | goozbach | stupid spelling |
| 04:50.59 | goozbach | slepling |
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| 05:10.03 | Tene | How do I turn off the bloody autocorrect stuff in OpenOffice Impress? |
| 05:10.30 | Tene | NO LITTLE LIGHT BULB I DO NOT WANT YOU TO CORRECT MY LETTERS I TYPED THE RIGHT ONES I PROMISE |
| 05:11.01 | Tene | I found it it was not hard to find. |
| 05:14.46 | Supaplex | search help for "kill clippy" ? ;) |
| 05:21.49 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:21.57 | Sargun | ~kill clippy |
| 05:22.03 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized meson gun at clippy |
| 05:24.10 | Tene | Suggestions on things I should cover in perl6 presentation? |
| 05:26.05 | findlay | ~shoot perl6 |
| 05:26.07 | ibot | ACTION shoots perl6 in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 05:26.20 | findlay | phase pistols/1 |
| 05:26.34 | findlay | I'm sure perl6 is so advanced it has libs for them |
| 05:26.43 | Tene | No, not yet. :( |
| 05:26.52 | findlay | well, then I'll write it |
| 05:26.54 | findlay | ! |
| 05:26.57 | Tene | yay |
| 05:26.57 | Tene | ! |
| 05:32.24 | goozbach | bah |
| 06:11.17 | levi_home | Tene: It's a shame to download such a cool implementation of an excellent language just to run perl on it. |
| 06:30.32 | Tene | link? |
| 06:31.38 | levi_home | http://research.sun.com/projects/plrg/fortress.pdf |
| 06:33.34 | levi_home | Guy Steele is working on it, which lends great credibility to it. |
| 06:38.29 | levi_home | He's a hacker, a poet, a cartoonist, a tech writer, a language architect, etc. |
| 07:09.15 | spr | Tene: I'll want to be convinced of how perl6 will make Oggify better :) |
| 07:11.33 | levi_home | What's Oggify? |
| 07:14.12 | spr | My FLAC to ogg/mp3 conversion program |
| 07:14.19 | spr | It's the NUPM subject on wednesday |
| 07:14.23 | Tene | spr: I'm still here |
| 07:14.31 | Tene | Talk to me about Oggify. |
| 07:14.52 | spr | Tene: but that would take me away from my Natural Language Processing :) |
| 07:15.32 | spr | Tene: The program is fairly simple, take in a tree of FLAC files and produce a similar tree of mp3 or oggs. |
| 07:15.48 | spr | It allows for updating, retagging, etc. |
| 07:16.12 | spr | Currently it's a module used by command-line and Gtk2 frontends |
| 07:16.48 | spr | One of the biggest pains is that to keep the GUI responsive I have to use ithreads, which have their...quirks. |
| 07:17.32 | spr | I'm looking to provide a module system to allow for different input/output formats, but am still trying to decide how that will work. |
| 07:28.57 | Tene | email foldering problem? |
| 07:30.12 | levi_home | Tene: You look at the Fortress spec? |
| 07:30.16 | levi_home | Lots of cool stuff there. |
| 07:33.13 | spr | email foldering is the attempt to automatically put email messages in foldering. |
| 07:33.17 | findlay | he should have called it amethyst or something |
| 07:33.29 | spr | I'm working on it as my Statistical Natural Language Processing final project. |
| 07:33.33 | findlay | doesn't he know all the cool languages are named after rare stones? |
| 07:33.45 | spr | Typing up the paper with results. |
| 07:34.11 | spr | in folders not in foldering |
| 07:35.10 | findlay | levi_home: you should design a language and call it tourmaline in order to force people to learn how to spell 'tourmaline' |
| 07:37.40 | levi_home | findlay: I'll keep that in mind. |
| 07:38.28 | findlay | great |
| 07:38.33 | findlay | thanks |
| 07:38.44 | levi_home | Meanwhile, Fortress is very interesting. Great for math types! |
| 07:39.24 | findlay | types, as in the kind of types used by Russel? |
| 07:40.41 | findlay | http://fair-use.org/bertrand-russell/the-principles-of-mathematics/appendix-b |
| 07:43.19 | levi_home | No, I mean the type of people who do math. |
| 07:43.40 | findlay | math_t |
| 07:44.32 | findlay | math_t findlay = new('m4th d00d'); |
| 07:44.57 | levi_home | You can use the proper math symbols and notation. |
| 07:45.15 | levi_home | It's a hybrid functional/oo language. |
| 07:45.17 | findlay | whose math symbols and notation? |
| 07:45.44 | findlay | there are lots of maths and lots of grammars and symbols |
| 07:46.16 | levi_home | Well, any symbols in Unicode 5.0 can be used, and the idea is to be able to write libraries that can handle the grammars and symbols of different maths. |
| 07:46.25 | findlay | neat |
| 07:47.06 | levi_home | The included libraries have stuff like SUM rendering as sigma and PRODUCT as pi. |
| 07:47.39 | findlay | and EXPONENT as epsilon if you want |
| 07:47.47 | levi_home | Probably. |
| 07:48.10 | levi_home | Multiplication is done by juxtaposition. |
| 07:48.14 | findlay | nobody's ever used that notation before that I've seen |
| 07:48.46 | Sargun | hi |
| 07:48.53 | levi_home | And arguments to function calls can be juxtaposed as well. |
| 07:50.04 | levi_home | Anyway, it will be excellent for scientific and engineering computing. |
| 07:52.00 | findlay | ~juxtapose Sargun with jeremejevite |
| 07:57.15 | levi_home | Time to sleep. |
| 08:00.28 | Sargun | ? |
| 08:01.43 | findlay | ~eat Sargun |
| 08:01.47 | ibot | ACTION eats Sargun and falls over dead |
| 08:01.54 | Sargun | yummy! |
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| 12:38.44 | emcnabb | good morning |
| 12:47.56 | calvarez | hello |
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| 13:15.15 | goozbach | birthday party chesecake jellybean BOOM! |
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| 14:02.47 | goozbach | ~lart changing syntax |
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| 14:16.20 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 14:23.42 | elg | amusing story from yesterday's final |
| 14:24.12 | elg | our teacher is on the verge of retirement. spent a lot of time in industry (working at white sands and other gov. places doing graphics and war games simulations, etc.) |
| 14:24.50 | elg | so, he's basically a nice old codger from days of yore. he hands out code samples of stuff he did in pascal, his website is spartan |
| 14:25.16 | elg | so on the exam, we had a RLE problem. to help us with the counting he did the numbers over top trick, like |
| 14:25.25 | elg | 000000000011111111112222222222 |
| 14:25.39 | elg | 01234567890123456789012345689 |
| 14:25.57 | elg | but he didn't use a fixed-width font |
| 14:26.45 | elg | it wasn't at all obvious what ws going on, unless you'd done it before yourself. and students kept going up to ask him what the heck was going on in this problem |
| 14:27.17 | elg | he got pretty flustered about it. announced to the whole class to ignore those two lines a couple of times, and people still came up and asked him about it> :) |
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| 14:33.37 | goozbach | BOOM! stick 'em |
| 14:34.20 | goozbach | bruahahah stick 'em |
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| 15:28.34 | goozbach | GAAAA |
| 15:30.13 | glitch- | Gooo |
| 15:30.14 | glitch- | Heh |
| 15:32.14 | atoponce | glitch-: so you coming to the oalug meet on thurs? |
| 15:33.08 | goozbach | grr@!! |
| 15:52.41 | atoponce | http://www.xs4all.nl/~qualia/freeradiolinux/listen.html |
| 15:53.26 | atoponce | listen to the linux kernel, rather than read it |
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| 15:59.00 | levi | atoponce: That sounds pretty worthless. |
| 16:00.01 | levi | Especially considering the current source file is some obscure USB driver file that largely consists of a binary blob in an array. |
| 16:02.34 | maquis | levi: it's not intended to be worthwhile... it's intended to be geeky |
| 16:03.51 | levi | Yes, but it's the sort of thing that /sounds/ geeky-cool, but in reality is just stupid. |
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| 16:04.38 | maquis | levi: the important question is: is there a real person reading it? or is it a computer reading it? |
| 16:04.53 | levi | maquis: It must be a computer reading it. |
| 16:05.00 | maquis | levi: good |
| 16:05.14 | maquis | otherwise i'd consider it a cause for concern |
| 16:07.59 | levi | The fact that someone thought it would be a good idea to stream an mp3 of a computer reading Linux source code is a cause for concern, but no more than a billion other things that demonstrate the essential stupidity of human beings. ;) |
| 16:09.58 | maquis | levi: you have to agree that it would be a much larger cause for concern if it was an actual person reading it |
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| 16:10.58 | levi | Well, ultimately, I have to not be very concerned about random stupid people on the internet. If I was, I would spend all my time and emotional energy being concerned about things I have no influence over. |
| 16:11.12 | maquis | lol |
| 16:20.22 | ^Migs^ | ~link |
| 16:20.23 | ibot | i heard link is titled "Convert Hauppauge IR remote control to IRMAN" |
| 16:20.29 | ^Migs^ | how do I get the last link? |
| 16:21.01 | ^Migs^ | @link |
| 16:22.37 | maquis | ~lastlink |
| 16:22.38 | maquis | ~urls |
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| 16:27.48 | goozbach | I reguarly listen to "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 16:37.01 | levi | Yes, but you're not streaming it out to the world. |
| 16:58.50 | findlay | ibot: give me all the links |
| 16:58.52 | ibot | ACTION gives all the links to findlay |
| 16:59.00 | findlay | well, I guess that's one way |
| 17:01.20 | levi | One way to get a useless response. :) |
| 17:02.30 | findlay | see, levi's not concerned about me, yet I do stupid things on the internet all the time |
| 17:03.05 | maquis | findlay: nobody is concerned about you... nobody really cares |
| 17:03.12 | levi | I slept wrong, and my back is all tweaked today. |
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| 17:31.46 | maquis | hmm... askville looks pretty interesting... |
| 17:32.27 | emcnabb | http://xkcd.com/verizon/ |
| 17:33.45 | levi | Hah! |
| 17:34.37 | atoponce | emcnabb: lol |
| 17:35.52 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 17:36.58 | nick125- | atoponce: around? :p |
| 17:42.53 | goozbach | levi: that would be an interesting idea |
| 17:43.01 | goozbach | cat /dev/random and stream it |
| 17:43.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Tim Riker? |
| 17:43.11 | goozbach | so people can hear your entropy |
| 17:43.13 | atoponce | nick125: yeah |
| 17:43.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Paging Doctor Tim Riker. |
| 17:43.27 | levi | goozbach: No, that would be a dumb idea. But you can go ahead and do it if you want to demonstrate your dumbness to the world. |
| 17:43.29 | atoponce | emcnabb: so is he saying that he owes nothing? |
| 17:43.36 | goozbach | ~seen Timriker |
| 17:43.57 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 4d 23h 53m 13s ago, saying: 'it wanted a setting of 0 instead of -1 or unset.'. |
| 17:44.09 | atoponce | i guess $.002 |
| 17:44.33 | goozbach | levi: it's called <voice type="snobby">ART</voice> |
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| 17:45.08 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 17:45.32 | levi | goozbach: That sort of thing is only art if you're already in artistic circles. Random people doing stupid things doesn't make art; you have to be an artist first. :P |
| 17:46.32 | goozbach | but I AM and ARTEEIST! |
| 17:47.17 | vontrapp | ~art goozbach |
| 17:47.55 | goozbach | "One ART please..." |
| 17:47.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm tempted to just update the site and wait for breakage reports to start rolling in. |
| 17:48.32 | atoponce | nick125: ping |
| 17:48.34 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: ping |
| 17:51.02 | levi | atoponce: e^(pi*i) = -1, and the infinite sum of 1/(2^n) converges to 1, so you are correct; the correct amount is $0.002. |
| 17:51.34 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: update what site and how? |
| 17:51.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Production site that my company's ordering process runs on |
| 17:52.02 | Lone_Wanderer | update from php4 to 5 |
| 17:52.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I doubt it'll actually break anything, but I haven't done the testing that would make me less doubtful |
| 17:52.24 | levi | Yuck. |
| 17:52.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 17:52.35 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: i'd suggest doing it during non-peak usage time |
| 17:52.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, it's so poorly built |
| 17:53.01 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: all the more reason to be careful |
| 17:53.10 | maquis | if it's poorly built, it's probably rather fragile |
| 17:54.35 | levi | It's poorly built /and/ it's built in php. All you need is one more strike... |
| 17:57.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm pretty sure those are the only two problems so far. |
| 17:57.42 | Lone_Wanderer | But "poorly built" is a euphemism in this case. |
| 17:58.16 | vontrapp | why did firefox have 2 memory eating processes running? |
| 17:58.26 | Lone_Wanderer | It was hungry. |
| 17:58.27 | Lone_Wanderer | For brains. |
| 17:59.31 | graphyx | goozbach: I use cat /dev/urandom | /dev/dsp to check if the sound card driver is working. |
| 17:59.51 | vontrapp | has anyone else tried to run a 64bit linux distro with only 256M of ram? |
| 18:01.53 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, that list of backward incompatible changes isn't long at all |
| 18:02.19 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: that doesn't say anything :) |
| 18:03.03 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: i'm just saying that if it's a production system, i'd be careful regardless |
| 18:03.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Keep in mind this is the same company that took down the production server with no notice and put it on a truck to California |
| 18:04.06 | maquis | yipes! |
| 18:04.09 | Lone_Wanderer | They did copy the htdocs to another box |
| 18:04.24 | levi | Well, it's okay if /they/ do it, but you need to watch your own back. :) |
| 18:04.31 | Lone_Wanderer | different httpd.conf though, so a few things broke there |
| 18:04.53 | Lone_Wanderer | It was not a happy day when I came in and discovered what they'd done. |
| 18:05.34 | maquis | i'm with levi... |
| 18:05.57 | Lone_Wanderer | So am I :p |
| 18:06.25 | maquis | :) |
| 18:07.37 | levi | Everything that /they/ do is perfectly reasonable to them, since they did decide to do it. Things that /you/ do with negative effects will be irrational and incompetent. |
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| 18:22.16 | atoponce | what fs would be recommended for storing just oggs? |
| 18:23.48 | macnewbold | doesn't much matter, atoponce |
| 18:24.02 | macnewbold | most fs are content-agnostic |
| 18:24.05 | macnewbold | for the most part |
| 18:24.17 | emcnabb | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005873&intsrc=hm_list |
| 18:24.36 | goozbach | atoponce: a filesystem that your operating system will mount |
| 18:26.08 | atoponce | macnewbold: yeah. i was debating between reiser and ext3 |
| 18:26.46 | levi | atoponce: That is a debate with about as much meaning as qwerty vs. dvorak. :) |
| 18:26.47 | emcnabb | these days I recommend a rock solid, highly tested filesystem such as Minix FS |
| 18:27.20 | findlay | minix is full of rocks? |
| 18:27.21 | emcnabb | look at this feature list: a 64MB partition size limit, short filenames, a single time stamp |
| 18:27.28 | emcnabb | you know you want it! |
| 18:27.58 | findlay | I want it! |
| 18:29.00 | emcnabb | you got it! |
| 18:29.51 | macnewbold | ~reformat findlay |
| 18:32.22 | levi | o/~ You want it... you got it. You want it... baby, you got it. o/~ |
| 18:33.18 | Jayce^ | ~stab levi |
| 18:33.20 | ibot | ACTION runs at levi with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:36.25 | emcnabb | ~sing levi |
| 18:39.26 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9l19D2sIHI&NR |
| 18:40.22 | levi | Heh, spinning pug. |
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| 18:59.15 | tensai | http://tinyurl.com/y229td |
| 18:59.24 | maquis | tensai: sup? |
| 18:59.29 | maquis | long time no see |
| 18:59.31 | tensai | patent on challenge response email verification |
| 18:59.53 | tensai | maquis: my laptop hard drive died :( |
| 19:00.01 | maquis | tensai: i'm sorry... that's no fun :( |
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| 19:00.50 | tensai | I rebuilt it but it's just not the same. better in some ways but worse in others. |
| 19:04.03 | maquis | ick |
| 19:11.43 | emcnabb | maquis: what division do you work in? |
| 19:13.09 | maquis | emcnabb: i'm back-end... we're one of the teams that figures out how to get the order from the warehouses to the customer |
| 19:13.35 | maquis | we're in charge of planning and optimization |
| 19:13.39 | maquis | y? |
| 19:15.00 | emcnabb | so, question for you |
| 19:16.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes? |
| 19:17.04 | maquis | ... |
| 19:17.16 | emcnabb | my coworker just bought a large item from you guys that cost $97, and shipping was supposed to be $60, but somehow he got shipping for free. How much money are you guys making off of something like that? |
| 19:17.29 | emcnabb | I mean, you guys are going to have to pay for some of that shipping cost |
| 19:17.39 | maquis | emcnabb: i honestly don't know how that part of it works |
| 19:17.54 | maquis | and if i did know, i'm not certain i'd be able to tell you anyway |
| 19:18.13 | emcnabb | yeah, I was just curious |
| 19:18.27 | maquis | yeah... it's an interesting question |
| 19:18.49 | emcnabb | it seems that your profit margin would be quickly sucked up by the shipping cost |
| 19:18.52 | emcnabb | oh well |
| 19:18.55 | maquis | :) |
| 19:19.30 | emcnabb | and I didn't expect you to know; we were just talking about it a few minutes ago |
| 19:20.30 | maquis | yeah... |
| 19:20.38 | findlay | ~ship emcnabb for free |
| 19:21.58 | emcnabb | ~charge findlay |
| 19:22.17 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 19:22.40 | findlay | ~shoot maquis back |
| 19:22.42 | ibot | ACTION shoots maquis back in the foot with a glue gun! |
| 19:22.48 | emcnabb | maquis: he wants to know if you can speed up his order |
| 19:23.11 | maquis | emcnabb: unfortunately not... |
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| 19:23.13 | emcnabb | doh |
| 19:23.24 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 19:23.38 | maquis | :) |
| 19:25.58 | maquis | emcnabb: you can't even shake it in apathy? |
| 19:25.59 | emcnabb | so hasn't mheath left yet? |
| 19:26.07 | emcnabb | ugh, ok |
| 19:26.11 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 19:27.36 | elg | anyone with qt3, opengl, a 3d video card, and excessive curiousity want to try out my project? |
| 19:27.42 | elg | i'm pretty proud of it |
| 19:28.00 | emcnabb | elg: what's in it for me? |
| 19:28.22 | elg | you get to see my cool project |
| 19:28.27 | elg | and satiate your curiousity |
| 19:28.27 | emcnabb | hum |
| 19:28.35 | cww | elg, I'll try it... what is it for? |
| 19:28.36 | emcnabb | what is your "cool project"? |
| 19:29.04 | elg | a scene renderer in opengl. renders mountains from terrain data files |
| 19:29.08 | elg | with a jet! |
| 19:29.30 | emcnabb | does it render mountain goats on the mountain sides? |
| 19:30.07 | elg | no but it has sagebrush in the texture map |
| 19:30.16 | emcnabb | ooohhh |
| 19:30.17 | emcnabb | ok! |
| 19:30.37 | elg | here's a screenshot of a slightly earlier version |
| 19:30.45 | elg | the only difference since then really is that now you can use the mouse |
| 19:32.02 | goozbach | boom stick 'em! |
| 19:32.56 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/t38.png |
| 19:33.03 | goozbach | elg: let's have a look |
| 19:33.04 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/slew.tar.gz |
| 19:33.06 | goozbach | url? |
| 19:33.26 | elg | warning, you'll need about a gig of VM to compile the bugger. and it will probably cause swappage |
| 19:33.37 | goozbach | WOW |
| 19:33.37 | goozbach | ok |
| 19:33.41 | elg | that's for the jet |
| 19:33.59 | elg | no, I didn't write 42000 lines of code. it's generated. :) |
| 19:34.10 | elg | i did write the generator though. |
| 19:34.15 | elg | oh that reminds me. you'll need ruby. |
| 19:34.59 | goozbach | hharump! |
| 19:35.05 | goozbach | I'm not going to now |
| 19:35.54 | emcnabb | elg: nice |
| 19:36.02 | elg | oops, http://pastie.caboo.se/27234 |
| 19:36.39 | glitch- | =) |
| 19:36.53 | elg | if you've already downloaded it |
| 19:37.44 | elg | goozbach: but it only takes 10 minutes to compile here |
| 19:38.19 | graphyx | elg: hey, I have a request. |
| 19:38.51 | graphyx | is there any way in vi to do a character swap? |
| 19:38.54 | Tene | xp |
| 19:39.35 | graphyx | I mean change the character map only when in insert mode? |
| 19:40.03 | elg | you don't want to do that</jedi> |
| 19:40.29 | graphyx | that way you would still have the function keys still the same and get your dvorak. |
| 19:40.51 | graphyx | elg: why do you say that? |
| 19:41.58 | Tene | graphyx: inoremap, ocelot |
| 19:41.59 | Lone_Wanderer | He just likes to mess around with his Jedi powers |
| 19:42.15 | graphyx | I am through lesson D7 in gtypist! |
| 19:42.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Never go to lunch with him, you'll end up ordering the weirdest stuff. |
| 19:43.29 | graphyx | jumbo shrimp? where did this come from? |
| 19:43.45 | elg | because I know why you want to do it |
| 19:43.48 | elg | only pain lies down that roa |
| 19:43.49 | elg | d |
| 19:44.03 | Lone_Wanderer | s/weird/wierd |
| 19:44.13 | elg | no weird |
| 19:44.14 | Lone_Wanderer | err no. No! The first one was correct. |
| 19:44.19 | elg | i before e except after c (and in weird) |
| 19:44.20 | graphyx | from mixing the two character maps? |
| 19:44.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I suspect it's because weird is Gaelic in origin |
| 19:44.38 | elg | from trying to make vim be like qwerty in normal mode and dvorak in insert mode |
| 19:44.38 | Lone_Wanderer | rather than Latin or Greek |
| 19:45.28 | graphyx | elg: I suppose that you have a point. |
| 19:45.46 | elg | trust amcnabb. he says you get used to it and it's just fine |
| 19:45.56 | elg | others I've heard say that too |
| 19:46.06 | elg | and some others have gone down the road you describe and all you hear is complaining |
| 19:46.06 | graphyx | the : command stuff would be qwerty. |
| 19:46.56 | Tene | qmake: command not found |
| 19:47.19 | elg | sounds like you don't have qt |
| 19:47.26 | elg | (development) |
| 19:47.41 | elg | if you have both qt3 and qt4 (or qt2 I suppose) you might have to edit Makefile |
| 19:47.43 | Tene | bah |
| 19:47.49 | Tene | you should have warned me ahead of time, jerk. |
| 19:48.02 | elg | ah but I did |
| 19:48.06 | Tene | What kind of llama uses qt? |
| 19:48.21 | elg | 12:27 < elg> anyone with qt3, opengl, a 3d video card, and excessive curiousity want to try out my project? |
| 19:48.36 | elg | the smart kind |
| 19:48.45 | stuporglue | ~lart qt |
| 19:48.46 | Tene | I have qt instealled. not qt-devel. |
| 19:48.52 | elg | hands down the best gui toolkit in the world |
| 19:53.15 | Tene | I installed qt-devel, but still no qmake |
| 19:53.59 | elg | what distro? |
| 19:55.36 | elg | it' sin qt3-dev-tools on ubuntu |
| 19:59.09 | Tene | fedora |
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| 20:19.57 | findlay | ~make q |
| 20:19.59 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `q'. Stop. |
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| 20:23.34 | Tene | ~qt |
| 20:23.35 | ibot | hmm... qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 20:24.16 | findlay | ~troll qt |
| 20:24.17 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares qt a troll |
| 20:24.54 | findlay | ~play /grieg/lyric_pieces/March_of_the_Trolls |
| 20:37.45 | elg | -roulette |
| 20:37.50 | atoponce | finally, i can get to partitioning my drive. so no real advantages with reiser/ext3 over the other, eh? |
| 20:38.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ~roulette |
| 20:38.09 | ibot | ACTION watches lone_wanderer pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:38.10 | elg | you won't lose your car seat if you use ext3 |
| 20:38.15 | elg | -roullette |
| 20:38.18 | elg | -shoot me |
| 20:38.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Does ibot keep track of how many chambers there are? |
| 20:38.24 | Lone_Wanderer | it's a ~, elg. not a -. |
| 20:38.25 | Tene | does grub understand reiser? |
| 20:38.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ~roulette |
| 20:38.34 | ibot | ACTION watches lone_wanderer pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:38.41 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: - is brac, ~ is ibot |
| 20:38.42 | elg | - is brac. but he seems to have been playing a little roulette himself |
| 20:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 20:38.47 | atoponce | tene, not sure, but not worried. it's an external drive |
| 20:38.54 | Tene | ~roulette |
| 20:38.56 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:39.05 | elg | atoponce: what are you going to use it for? |
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| 20:39.27 | elg | -roulette |
| 20:39.28 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 20:39.32 | atoponce | elg: plug -n play functionality when i want to listen to music. basically, just an ogg archive |
| 20:39.48 | elg | i recommend xfs |
| 20:39.54 | atoponce | why? |
| 20:40.01 | elg | why not? |
| 20:40.14 | elg | ext3 if you don't care and just want a filesystem |
| 20:40.22 | elg | xfs if you want something "more optimal" |
| 20:40.24 | graphyx | -roulette elg |
| 20:40.25 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help roulette' |
| 20:40.36 | graphyx | -roulette |
| 20:40.37 | brac | graphyx: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 20:41.02 | findlay | ~reload brac |
| 20:41.05 | atoponce | what does xfs offer over ext3 or reiser |
| 20:41.06 | atoponce | ? |
| 20:41.17 | findlay | it's shorter, therefore faster |
| 20:41.59 | levi | atoponce: It was a fancy commercial filesystem at one point. |
| 20:42.38 | elg | "XFS is the oldest journaling file system available for UNIX systems, and has a mature, stable and well-debugged codebase" |
| 20:42.58 | elg | xfs is the best for multimedia, iirc |
| 20:43.08 | elg | for various reasons that lie beyond the edge of my consciousness today |
| 20:43.16 | elg | might only apply to bigger files, i don't remember |
| 20:43.23 | findlay | that is, if you like sight and sound combined |
| 20:43.58 | atoponce | hmmm. |
| 20:44.52 | levi | elg: Apparently, it optimizes for speed rather than safety. Metadata is journalled, but data is not. |
| 20:45.15 | atoponce | that's the same with reiser, no? |
| 20:45.23 | levi | Beats me. |
| 20:45.44 | elg | all i know about xfs is what i happen to remember from what I've read |
| 20:45.56 | levi | You're storing a bunch of freakin' lossily-compressed music files. It doesn't matter. |
| 20:46.04 | elg | and that I've had an xfs drive for probably 2 years or more with a bunch of oggs and videos on it that has given me zero trouble |
| 20:46.13 | findlay | and then scrambled it in an attempt to rescue it |
| 20:46.32 | findlay | because all the ext3 experts in the world were on vacation that day |
| 20:46.42 | atoponce | levi: most likely |
| 20:46.51 | atoponce | findlay: that sucks |
| 20:47.03 | findlay | all 5 of them (: |
| 20:47.23 | levi | atoponce: If you were doing real-time multi track recording or full-res video editing, it might make a difference. But you're not. Just pick one. |
| 20:47.29 | findlay | atoponce: yeah, that was a fun day |
| 20:47.41 | findlay | you want minixFS! |
| 20:48.21 | elg | yup. the reason this one is xfs is because it was intended for audio work (recording, etc.) |
| 20:48.32 | elg | these days it's mostly music and video files |
| 20:48.40 | elg | that box isn't my desktop anymore |
| 20:48.43 | elg | it's hooked up to my tv |
| 20:52.24 | atoponce | well, looking at what i can and cannot format it as, reiserfs it is |
| 20:52.24 | atoponce | no ability to do xfs |
| 20:52.24 | goozbach | which distro? |
| 20:52.34 | atoponce | ubuntu edgy |
| 20:52.39 | atoponce | using gparted |
| 20:53.52 | goozbach | mkfs on edgy had no problem with xfs |
| 20:54.07 | goozbach | mkfs -t xfs /dev/some/block/device |
| 20:56.35 | atoponce | xfs was greyed out in gparted. wonder why. oh well. reiser will work. |
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| 20:59.16 | elg | i'd pick ext3 over reiser, but I'm glad you picked something :) |
| 20:59.38 | goozbach | noo dont pick that one!!!!! |
| 21:01.36 | levi | Actually, you should use a cryptographic fs so if someone steals it, they won't gain access to your data! |
| 21:01.44 | atoponce | blast! now i have to live with it for all eternity |
| 21:05.07 | levi | Ahhh, eternal disappointment. |
| 21:07.48 | maquis | lol... |
| 21:08.18 | maquis | my teammate was telling me the name of the person to contact for information about something... |
| 21:09.01 | maquis | i could've sworn he was saying that the guy's last name was "smore"... turns out it's "small" |
| 21:09.22 | Supaplex | so many bad first names to go with that |
| 21:09.24 | Tene | smalltalk? |
| 21:10.01 | maquis | smore isn't a whole lot better |
| 21:11.12 | Supaplex | sometimes a name change is a good thing. |
| 21:12.48 | maquis | i suppose at some point, i should probably figure out how to work my phone |
| 21:13.28 | Supaplex | or move to Russia, or any nearby call center. Then the phone can work you. |
| 21:13.36 | maquis | lol |
| 21:13.48 | maquis | it claims that i have 2 missed calls... |
| 21:13.55 | maquis | it's said that for about 2 weeks now |
| 21:14.04 | maquis | i know who the calls are from, and all that |
| 21:14.13 | maquis | i just don't know how to get it to stop saying that its' got missed calls |
| 21:14.16 | Supaplex | but do you really miss them? |
| 21:14.31 | Supaplex | great, a phone that lies! |
| 21:14.34 | maquis | and i'm fairly certain that they didn't leave a voicemail... |
| 21:14.48 | maquis | actually, i'm not certain that my voicemail is set up... |
| 21:17.18 | SB1-Laptop | maquis, good, keep it that way. voicemail is of the devil. |
| 21:18.05 | maquis | agreed |
| 21:24.02 | elg | no, voicemail is the beacon of light sent into the pit of despair |
| 21:24.21 | elg | answering the phone is of the devil |
| 21:24.24 | maquis | elg: i actually think both are evil |
| 21:24.49 | elg | then you haven't gotten creative enough with your voicemail message |
| 21:25.23 | maquis | elg: the problem is, if someone leaves me a voicemail, they A) expect me to listen to it, and B) expect me to call them back |
| 21:25.41 | elg | see, your voicemail message is too normal |
| 21:25.53 | elg | you need a message that frightens people with expectations into hanging up |
| 21:26.04 | maquis | ah |
| 21:28.04 | elg | in my experience, people with expectations is almost exactly the same set as people that can't handle nonconformist voicemail messages |
| 21:28.04 | SB1-Laptop | If I ever change my voicemail message |
| 21:28.04 | SB1-Laptop | It'll be the following: "Hello?" + 2m of silence |
| 21:28.04 | maquis | i used to have one from bored.com |
| 21:28.04 | maquis | the one i've always wanted to do is where you have a completely normal message... and then start playing beeps over couple seconds at different pitches and stuff |
| 21:28.05 | SB1-Laptop | afk for a bit |
| 21:28.05 | elg | prove it |
| 21:30.38 | graphyx | redbeard1: http://onemorelevel.com/games.php?game=363 |
| 21:32.41 | maquis | ok... how do i take a screenshot in windoze? |
| 21:33.59 | JoshH | print screen on keyboard |
| 21:34.32 | maquis | JoshH: just the print screen key? |
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| 21:34.38 | maquis | but... where's it go? |
| 21:34.40 | JoshH | maybe + shift, i don't recall |
| 21:34.51 | JoshH | then it's copied and you can paste it into any image app |
| 21:34.57 | maquis | and do i have to get the whole screen? or can i just get a single window? |
| 21:35.08 | JoshH | that does whole screen |
| 21:35.19 | JoshH | maybe you can take a single window with gimp for windows or something |
| 21:35.34 | maquis | ah... and then i have to copy it into gimp? |
| 21:35.36 | maquis | or paint? |
| 21:35.38 | maquis | or something? |
| 21:35.40 | JoshH | paste it into paint |
| 21:35.42 | maquis | that sucks |
| 21:36.16 | JoshH | ya, pretty much |
| 21:36.57 | eco | Alt+Print Screen is the current window. Print Screen is the entire screen. |
| 21:37.03 | Tene | maquis: you can take a screenshot straight from gimp |
| 21:37.15 | levi | elg: So what's your voicemail like? |
| 21:37.49 | levi | maquis: Almost no one ever calls me. I get more voicemail on my work phone from my wife than any coworker. |
| 21:37.50 | maquis | i'm trying to remember the command i'm used to using in linux... it's been a while since i've used it.. |
| 21:37.59 | maquis | levi: nice... |
| 21:38.12 | maquis | levi: i wish people would IM/email instead of calling... |
| 21:38.25 | maquis | most do |
| 21:38.35 | maquis | but sometimes people seem to think they can communicate better over the phone |
| 21:38.51 | levi | maquis: Almost no one IMs me, and I only occasionally get email that I'm expected to respond to. |
| 21:39.08 | Tene | maquis: scrot and import are both comonly used to get screenshots in linux. |
| 21:39.10 | maquis | levi: that's kind-of nice |
| 21:39.20 | maquis | Tene: nah... this was a really simple one... command-line |
| 21:39.42 | levi | maquis: Human interaction is for the birds! ;) |
| 21:39.44 | Tene | yeah, those are both commandline |
| 21:39.52 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 21:39.53 | maquis | :) |
| 21:40.55 | maquis | xwd... that's the one |
| 21:50.11 | atoponce | why is encoding a .wav to .ogg so stinking slow? is it necessary, or just a setting? currently encoding at 3X |
| 21:53.16 | elg | there are different quality settings for ogg |
| 21:53.16 | levi | Some codecs take more computation to perform the coding phase than others. |
| 21:53.46 | elg | maybe your computer is just slow |
| 21:56.12 | atoponce | elg: possible, but not the likely suspect (3ghz, 1gb ram). i guess it just takes more time to enocde. just wish it could go faster |
| 21:56.13 | atoponce | oh well |
| 21:56.28 | elg | 3ghz and it's only encoding at 3x? |
| 21:57.41 | atoponce | yeah. that's what i said |
| 21:57.46 | atoponce | it blows! |
| 21:58.57 | levi | Where are you reading the data from? Hard disk? |
| 21:59.10 | elg | dude |
| 21:59.22 | atoponce | grip |
| 21:59.25 | elg | I just encoded a file. 6 minutes and 30 seconds long, in 22 seconds |
| 21:59.52 | levi | grip is an application, not a storage medium. |
| 22:00.11 | levi | Are you reading from a CD? A hard disk? |
| 22:00.46 | herlo | levi: why not? |
| 22:00.46 | elg | that's like 18x |
| 22:00.47 | atoponce | levi: ahh. i misread your question. rip from cd to internal harddisk, encode to external harddisk |
| 22:01.17 | atoponce | hmmm. maybe usb is my bottleneck? |
| 22:01.17 | levi | herlo: Huh? I didn't ask why. |
| 22:01.31 | levi | atoponce: Are you using usb2? |
| 22:01.40 | atoponce | not sure, actually. let me look |
| 22:01.57 | levi | usb2 shouldn't be a bottleneck, but earlier versions sure could be. |
| 22:02.01 | atoponce | 1.1 |
| 22:02.06 | levi | Oh, no wonder. |
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| 22:02.19 | levi | Geez, worrying about the filesystem on a drive attached via usb1.1... |
| 22:02.22 | atoponce | still, though, 1.1 can do 4Mbps, no? |
| 22:03.03 | elg | it took lame 32 seconds to encode to mp3 |
| 22:03.28 | herlo | levi: I know, but why cant grip be a storage medium too? |
| 22:03.39 | herlo | levi: do you have something against that? |
| 22:03.55 | levi | herlo: You're not making any sense. |
| 22:03.55 | herlo | and yes, I've used 'grip' before to rip my music... |
| 22:04.08 | herlo | levi: exactly |
| 22:05.34 | atoponce | nm. 1.5Mbits/sec. hmmm. that could be a problem |
| 22:05.38 | levi | Apparently pre-2.0 usb has a max speed of 12 Mbit/s, which gives you 1.5MB/s. |
| 22:06.27 | levi | And that's a max speed. It most likely runs slower than that due to overhead and sharing with other USB devices on the bus. |
| 22:06.34 | atoponce | yeah |
| 22:06.47 | elg | what's the bandwidth of usb2? |
| 22:06.58 | atoponce | 480Mbits/sec |
| 22:07.18 | elg | what about IDE? |
| 22:07.47 | elg | firewire? |
| 22:07.52 | elg | pigeons? |
| 22:08.03 | atoponce | gads. 1.1 sucks. i'm getting a new 2.0/firewire card for this comp. |
| 22:08.49 | levi | Yes, USB 1.1 really sucks for attached storage, to the point of worthlessness. |
| 22:09.36 | emcnabb | levi: it depends on what your time is worth :-) |
| 22:10.00 | levi | More than the cost of a USB2.0 card, certainly. |
| 22:10.16 | atoponce | hmm. yup. 12Mbps. that should be enough, though. don't you think. afterall, these files are only ~3MB |
| 22:10.27 | atoponce | nm. i digress. i'm getting a new card |
| 22:10.44 | Jayce^ | mBIT/s |
| 22:10.52 | atoponce | Jayce^: right |
| 22:11.02 | levi | 12Mbps is 1.5MBps, and that's a theoretical maximum that you won't really see. |
| 22:11.03 | atoponce | 12Mbps = 1.5MBps |
| 22:11.10 | atoponce | right |
| 22:11.20 | atoponce | like i said, i'm getting a new card |
| 22:12.11 | atoponce | 6 port usb 2.0 for 13.99 at compusa |
| 22:12.19 | bonez39 | atoponce, so, if someone has Utopia fiber here in salt lake...rated at 30 mbs....... will they really just get 3 mbs? |
| 22:12.58 | atoponce | 30Mbps ~= 3.75MBps |
| 22:15.34 | findlay | ~eval 30/8 |
| 22:16.34 | findlay | a million is huge |
| 22:16.45 | findlay | 1024*1024 is even bigger |
| 22:17.06 | findlay | who needs more than a million bits every day? |
| 22:17.52 | findlay | I mean, you don't see people going around complaining about how they don't get a million dollars every day |
| 22:18.28 | herlo | Best place to buy 1 or 2 GB DDR2 PC2-5300? |
| 22:18.52 | findlay | therefore a million bits should be well enough for anyone per day |
| 22:19.05 | Tene | findlay: that's because most of them do get a million dollars every day. |
| 22:19.07 | Tene | don't you? |
| 22:19.47 | findlay | (but we'll be generous and give them 1024*1024 instead of a million) |
| 22:20.02 | herlo | well, isn't a million bits just a million quarters? (2 bits = $.50) |
| 22:21.08 | findlay | I thought a bit was $0.01 |
| 22:23.35 | findlay | herlo: I'd say newegg |
| 22:23.48 | findlay | Tene: yes, I don't |
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| 22:24.50 | herlo | findlay: but I'd say you should tell me another place. I've looked at newegg. i was hoping for alternatives to the norm |
| 22:24.59 | herlo | findlay: no more quid pro quo |
| 22:25.04 | jsmith | herlo: Crucial.com? |
| 22:25.15 | goozbach | bah slumbug |
| 22:25.41 | herlo | jsmith: looked there too |
| 22:25.58 | herlo | prices aren't that bad, just curious if there's any other alternatives |
| 22:25.59 | findlay | what about local dealers? |
| 22:26.02 | mrpull | herlo: I thought two bits was == $0.25 |
| 22:26.18 | jsmith | herlo: kingston.com? |
| 22:26.31 | findlay | ebc, hehehe |
| 22:26.54 | herlo | mrpull: you are right! my mistake http://www.geocities.com/fifth_grade_tpes/twobits.html |
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| 22:27.23 | herlo | ~lart findlay |
| 22:27.26 | findlay | heh. I wouldn't lay much authority to some dude's geocities page |
| 22:27.41 | herlo | findlay!! You're supposed to be dead |
| 22:27.48 | herlo | damned zombie |
| 22:27.51 | findlay | ~shoot herlo |
| 22:27.53 | ibot | ACTION shoots herlo in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 22:27.58 | findlay | ~shakespeare herlo |
| 22:28.00 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: herlo - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon! |
| 22:28.00 | herlo | ~poo findlay |
| 22:28.01 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at findlay |
| 22:28.08 | herlo | ~findlay findlay |
| 22:28.09 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
| 22:28.11 | herlo | ~herlo findlay |
| 22:28.13 | ibot | ACTION pokes findlay with a sharp needle. |
| 22:28.13 | findlay | ~shakespeare monkeys |
| 22:28.14 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: monkeys - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon! |
| 22:28.27 | herlo | ~travolta findlay |
| 22:28.28 | ibot | ACTION replaces findlay with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 22:28.48 | herlo | jsmith: I like kingston, didn't even think of it.... |
| 22:29.55 | findlay | oh, come on ibot. If you're going to do Shakespeare you need to get a decent list of quotes |
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| 22:37.06 | mrpull | this is too good: http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/clips/verizon-doesn't-know-difference-between-dollars-and-cents-220362.php |
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| 22:40.59 | mrpull | i like how he says: no offense here, when he clearly is calling the guy a dumb ass |
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| 22:50.31 | tensai | telnet 69.145.39.44 25 |
| 22:50.41 | tensai | anybody get a response from that host? |
| 22:51.18 | herlo | tensai: yep |
| 22:52.15 | maquis | tensai: not looking good from here |
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| 22:53.10 | maquis | tensai: i'm not even getting ping responses or anything |
| 22:53.23 | tensai | maquis: same here |
| 22:53.36 | tensai | herlo: can you paste the last few hops of a traceroute? |
| 22:54.13 | herlo | sure |
| 22:55.17 | herlo | tensai: http://pastebin.ca/277126 |
| 22:56.11 | tensai | herlo: that's just what mine looks like. but you do get an smtp banner? |
| 22:58.09 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.12 | maquis | 10 69.145.219.203 (69.145.219.203) 19.594 ms 22.162 ms 23.209 ms |
| 22:59.09 | levi | ~slay maquis |
| 22:59.10 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, maquis!" apt lops off maquis's head. |
| 22:59.24 | maquis | ops are immune? |
| 22:59.30 | maquis | er... |
| 22:59.35 | *** mode/#utah [+o maquis] by ChanServ |
| 22:59.40 | maquis | ops are immune? |
| 22:59.46 | maquis | :) |
| 22:59.47 | levi | ~slay maquis |
| 22:59.49 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, maquis!" apt lops off maquis's head. |
| 23:00.05 | levi | ibot doesn't seem to care if you're an op or not. ;) |
| 23:00.12 | maquis | ~lart levi |
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| 23:06.28 | herlo | tensai: no smtp banner |
| 23:06.36 | herlo | but I get a response from your port 25 connect |
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| 23:28.52 | dilvie | sci-fi fans |
| 23:28.57 | dilvie | I'm looking for some feedback. |
| 23:28.59 | dilvie | http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ajhrx96tmj5n_8gmn3fh |
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| 23:34.40 | elg | that's it. no more! |
| 23:35.08 | dilvie | w00t! |
| 23:35.15 | dilvie | maybe you can fix my plugin now? |
| 23:35.17 | dilvie | hehe |
| 23:35.34 | dilvie | I want detune to work properly |
| 23:35.36 | elg | it's on my list, but after quals |
| 23:35.46 | elg | quals is like finals but 10x worse |
| 23:35.53 | elg | and it's in mid january |
| 23:35.54 | dilvie | oh boy |
| 23:36.17 | elg | but after that, i'm now well-equipped to get you a rockin' plugin |
| 23:37.08 | elg | quals is so bad you get 3 tries |
| 23:39.01 | elg | i heard a rumor today they might ask me to teach the intro java class next semester |
| 23:39.28 | levi | Yay for finishing finals! |
| 23:39.47 | levi | Boo for teaching intro Java classes! |
| 23:40.06 | elg | well, it would probably be fun. |
| 23:40.26 | dilvie | cool. |
| 23:40.39 | elg | at that level it's more "teaching programming" than teaching java. as far as teaching basic c-like programming goes it's not a bad language |
| 23:41.02 | levi | Yeah, certainly better than teaching C. |
| 23:41.04 | dilvie | bah. |
| 23:41.13 | elg | which I've already done. :) |
| 23:41.16 | dilvie | I'm not so sure. |
| 23:41.22 | levi | But you still have a mess of language infrastructure to deal with. |
| 23:41.33 | dilvie | C forces you to see things more like the computer sees them. |
| 23:41.34 | elg | if they don't have me do that, I'll be TAing a data structures sophomore class |
| 23:41.46 | dilvie | It might help people understand data structures more efficiently. |
| 23:41.57 | levi | dilvie: So? Computers are incidental to programming. ;) |
| 23:42.04 | elg | which would be a nice relaxing TA job compared to TAing the grad-level automata/turing machines class |
| 23:42.26 | levi | elg: Ooh, yeah, probably much more relaxing. |
| 23:42.41 | dilvie | that does raise an interesting point. |
| 23:43.19 | dilvie | what is more important? understanding what goes on low-level, or coming to grips with oop? |
| 23:43.28 | levi | Paraphrasing a CS luminary, "Computers are to Computer Science what telescopes are to Astronomy." |
| 23:43.31 | dilvie | what comes first, the chicken or the egg? |
| 23:44.07 | elg | the theory came long before the machines |
| 23:44.08 | levi | I think learning how to think about writing programs is an essential first step. |
| 23:44.39 | levi | Learning how the computer implements the programs is an important topic as well, but it can be dealt with later. |
| 23:44.53 | dilvie | cool. |
| 23:44.57 | dilvie | I learned backwards then. |
| 23:45.14 | levi | It certainly /can/ be done either way. |
| 23:45.30 | dilvie | well, I learned basic first. |
| 23:45.32 | dilvie | Then assembly |
| 23:45.33 | levi | I think it's likely to be less painful to learn how to program first, though, unless you're teaching EE types. |
| 23:45.35 | elg | oh please, may they not make me use that stupid dietel book |
| 23:45.42 | dilvie | Then turbo pascal, then C |
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| 23:47.04 | dilvie | I guess basic eased me into the low level asm. I started programming in asm when I got a PC, and didn't have money for a real high-level compiler. |
| 23:48.37 | dilvie | I didn't even have money for a proper assembler, so I used debug (which came with DOS), which didn't grok tokens. I had to keep track of all the memory addresses manually. |
| 23:48.59 | elg | wow, you're hardcore. did you use a rusty fork to tap in the program too? |
| 23:49.27 | dilvie | taught myself to write machine code. I wrote tons of very basic programs in machine code (hex) and ran them through debug to make .com programs. |
| 23:49.42 | dilvie | hehe |
| 23:50.07 | dilvie | even more fun... I wrote a BBS system almost entirely in the MS-DOS batch language. |
| 23:50.52 | dilvie | just used one tiny hex debug script to disable ctrl-break and keep people in the menu system. |
| 23:50.56 | levi | You are clearly not the target audience of an intro to programming class. :) |
| 23:51.37 | dilvie | that was back when all the computer magazines were saying that proper input and flow control were impossible with batch files. |
| 23:52.26 | dilvie | I used copy con and ansi.sys macros to get around that limitation. |
| 23:52.46 | levi | Well, that's cheating. ;) |
| 23:54.13 | dilvie | elg: I used a rusty fork, and I had to walk to and from my computer uphill, both ways! |
| 23:54.21 | dilvie | kids these days have it too easy! |
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| 23:56.29 | maquis | ~lart dilvie |
| 23:59.34 | maquis | "there's no time to stop for gass... we are already late" <-- great quote! |
