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| 00:15.24 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 00:30.31 | vontrapp | \me loops the loopback through elgs ears |
| 00:30.47 | vontrapp | oops |
| 00:31.14 | vontrapp | dvorak switches the slashes |
| 00:31.51 | vontrapp | um, thats not right |
| 00:32.12 | vontrapp | i just got confused |
| 00:34.31 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 00:41.03 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 00:41.38 | elg | " I just read it takes 150 gallons of water to grow enough wheat to make one |
| 00:41.38 | elg | loaf of bread. (UN Commission on Sustainable Development). |
| 00:41.39 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.00 | elg | uh, yeah. how much water do you think it takes to grow one tomato? to take a shower every day? |
| 00:42.13 | Supaplex | how do they fit 150 gallons of water in that loaf of bread? ;) |
| 00:42.23 | elg | I just heard it takes thousands of gallons for a surfer to catch just one good wave |
| 00:42.28 | elg | people and their scarcity mentalities. |
| 00:43.57 | vontrapp | and it's not like that water stays in the wheat |
| 00:44.13 | elg | or was potable to start with |
| 00:44.25 | vontrapp | it's called 'the water cycle' for a reason |
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| 01:50.39 | encryptz | mheath[laptop]: ping |
| 01:51.04 | levi_home | Isn't mheath[laptop] supposed to be leaving today? |
| 01:51.35 | encryptz | think so. i want his 60+ ubuntu cds that he was going to get to me |
| 01:52.19 | encryptz | i can hand them out. better than just sitting in a dresser drawer... |
| 01:52.57 | levi_home | Yeah. It would be a shame if they just sit. |
| 01:53.42 | encryptz | i don't think he's left yet, though, as he's still in irc... |
| 02:04.11 | Sargun | Did any of you go to senior prom? |
| 02:05.50 | encryptz | yeah... |
| 02:06.03 | Sargun | How was it? |
| 02:06.32 | encryptz | good. a lot of fun. why? |
| 02:06.52 | Sargun | Just wondering |
| 02:12.13 | encryptz | i want this for christmas: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/6a17/zoom/ |
| 02:14.38 | Sargun | Ooh, pretty. |
| 02:15.13 | Sargun | I want this for Christmas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA |
| 02:15.15 | Sargun | :-P |
| 02:21.42 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, Just get that little hd-dvd adapter for the Xbox 360? |
| 02:22.25 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: yup, that's the idea |
| 02:22.36 | Sargun | How much is it? |
| 02:22.46 | nick125_lappy | $200 |
| 02:23.02 | Sargun | you should get your boyfriend to buy it for you |
| 02:23.18 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 02:23.42 | Sargun | Did he buy you anything yet? |
| 02:23.56 | nick125_lappy | a wii points card |
| 02:24.31 | Sargun | When did you get a Wii? |
| 02:24.35 | nick125_lappy | uhh |
| 02:24.42 | nick125_lappy | like |
| 02:25.26 | nick125_lappy | a week ago |
| 02:25.47 | Sargun | Thats cool. |
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| 05:41.07 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 05:47.00 | Sargun | Thats not very nice. |
| 05:55.47 | atoponce | yes you should. :) |
| 05:56.11 | nick125_lappy | I'm like failing horribly though :/ |
| 05:56.53 | atoponce | 1/2 hour a day, everyday, and 2 weeks flat, you'll be typing dvorak with little effort |
| 06:03.11 | atoponce | ~dvorak levi_home |
| 06:05.06 | levi_home | You can't make me switch! |
| 06:05.28 | levi_home | I see no benefit for me in it. |
| 06:05.54 | atoponce | :) |
| 06:06.13 | atoponce | you're right. i can't *make* you, but i can influence you... |
| 06:06.28 | levi_home | I already type faster than I compose things to type, and I have no RSI issues that dvorak might alleviate. |
| 06:06.36 | levi_home | So what would be the point? |
| 06:07.01 | atoponce | what's your current speed, adjusted for fixing errors? |
| 06:07.17 | levi_home | I don't know, and I don't really care. I consider it 'fast enough'. |
| 06:07.27 | atoponce | ahh. well, you could be faster... |
| 06:07.31 | levi_home | So? |
| 06:07.44 | levi_home | I have no desire to engage in competitive typing. |
| 06:08.33 | atoponce | it's not about competition. it's about getting the job done a little faster. but, that doesn't appeal to everyone, so, the only benefit to you would be increased comfort typing |
| 06:08.38 | atoponce | rsi or not |
| 06:10.54 | levi_home | I experience no discomfort with qwerty. |
| 06:11.28 | levi_home | And my job would not get done any faster, because as I said, I generally type faster than I compose things to type, especially when programming. |
| 06:12.30 | atoponce | i didn't either. qwerty was perfectly fine. until i started typing dvorak, and it's noticeably more comfortable. but, programming wasnt' designed around dvorak, like it was for qwerty, so it does take some getting used to... |
| 06:13.07 | atoponce | some of the keyboard shortcuts too (cut, copy, paste, etc) |
| 06:16.05 | levi_home | That doesn't sound like it's more comfortable to me. |
| 06:16.45 | levi_home | If I was going to learn an alternative input mechanism, it would be a one-handed chording keyboard. |
| 06:17.24 | atoponce | well, i didn't learn typing so i could program. if the *only* typing i did was programming, i wouldn't be typing in qwerty or dvorak |
| 06:17.43 | atoponce | i'd create, or find, a new layout for that |
| 06:23.48 | levi_home | See the old APL keyboards for examples of that sort of thing. |
| 06:24.24 | levi_home | The first typing I did on a computer was programming, actually. |
| 06:25.12 | levi_home | But I mostly learned to touch type so I could chat online. |
| 06:26.37 | levi_home | Your programming layout is the editor key bindings of whichever editor you use. |
| 06:27.03 | atoponce | true |
| 06:27.37 | levi_home | If typing the actual text of your program is made inconvenient by dvorak, your programming language is probably too syntax-heavy. :P |
| 06:32.39 | atoponce | thus, the likes of python and ruby step in... |
| 06:36.51 | Tene | Hey, some of us like syntax. |
| 06:43.30 | nick125_lappy | typing in dvorak is pretty weird...I keep wanting to type in qwerty :/ |
| 08:57.50 | Tene | ~nick125 Sargun |
| 08:57.52 | ibot | ACTION puts Sargun on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes Sargun use Gentoo on there. |
| 08:58.32 | Sargun | lol |
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| 14:04.20 | graphyx | less yawning, more working!! |
| 14:07.38 | SB1-Work | It's only 7:00 AM :P |
| 14:07.48 | SB1-Work | I'm only used to showing up around 10:00 ;) |
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| 14:12.46 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 14:13.12 | graphyx | wow, I will be in Utah in 11 days. |
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| 14:31.07 | atoponce | graphyx: where are you now? |
| 14:31.38 | atoponce | Tene: i like syntax. i couldn't program without it |
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| 14:50.38 | SB1-Work | It's going to be a very bad day, I can tell already |
| 14:50.52 | SB1-Work | Very, very bad day. |
| 14:51.02 | graphyx | atoponce: arkansas |
| 14:53.12 | atoponce | ahh. cool. |
| 14:54.26 | emcnabb | Arrrr Kansas |
| 14:58.01 | goozbach | SB1-Work: I'm glad I'm not the only one having a bad day |
| 14:58.30 | SB1-Work | goozbach, I did work on the computers here over the weekend... rebooted them all, logged in as admin, did the whole windows update bit.. |
| 14:59.03 | SB1-Work | goozbach, "Uh, I can't login." "Change the user name to your name." "But it just says 'Administrator'.." "Exactly, so change the user name to your name" "Are you sure? It still says adminsitrator.." |
| 15:00.00 | SB1-Work | etc. etc. etc. |
| 15:00.05 | SB1-Work | * 3489579857 |
| 15:00.57 | SB1-Work | The only reason I'm still sane is because I drove here when it was pitch black, and likewise think that no one else is in the building |
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| 15:22.51 | redbeard1 | anyone using blogger beta? |
| 15:47.29 | Supaplex | SB1-Work: and why is that? |
| 15:47.52 | levi | redbeard1: I've glanced at it. My wife switched to it recently when she picked up blogging again. |
| 15:48.21 | levi | SB1-Work: Ah, the joys of system administration! |
| 15:50.15 | Supaplex | please fill out this form, go home, and never return. ;) |
| 15:50.59 | Supaplex | this place I'm working at right now has a high and mighty numbskull in I.T. dept. His favorite catch phrase is "I can fire you!". |
| 15:54.02 | redbeard1 | levi, how does she like it? |
| 15:54.52 | levi | She liked it a lot, I think. I thought it looked much easier to use than the previous one. |
| 15:55.20 | levi | She's a social blogger, though, and no one left comments on her blog entries, so she's stopped again. ;) |
| 16:03.34 | redbeard1 | blogger has started telling me that i should switch. |
| 16:03.51 | redbeard1 | but i rmember somebody else having problems with spamming the planet when they did that |
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| 16:07.17 | levi | Yeah, that may happen. I don't know. |
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| 16:17.01 | SB1-Work | levi: lemme tell you. |
| 16:17.23 | SB1-Work | levi: Luckily, I just found the setting that blanks out the last entered username on login, so I'll only get that round of calls once. |
| 16:18.50 | levi | Heh. Fortunately for me, I got an offer to switch to software development less than a year into my sysadmin job. I jumped on that. :) |
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| 16:19.11 | SB1-Work | levi: (family) small business here... ;) |
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| 16:19.44 | SB1-Work | levi: can't really be fired. Can't really quit either. |
| 16:20.03 | levi | Well, that has some downsides. |
| 16:20.41 | SB1-Work | Yup |
| 16:20.45 | SB1-Work | But oh well, it is what it is |
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| 16:27.51 | graphyx | SB1-Work: I figure that you could quit, and they can't get mad at you. |
| 16:28.31 | SB1-Work | graphyx, theory is awesome. ;) |
| 16:29.23 | SB1-Work | That'd be call #4 I just recieved.. "I can't get into my computer" |
| 16:31.08 | graphyx | if it is a family business, how many more people can call? |
| 16:31.14 | levi | If they can't fire you, you could go all BOFH on them. |
| 16:31.24 | graphyx | how big is your family? |
| 16:31.42 | SB1-Work | graphyx, I'm the oldest of nine (including those adopted) |
| 16:31.55 | SB1-Work | I'm also the only one who would be capable in my family of doing this ;) |
| 16:33.24 | SB1-Work | levi: sure I *could*. But... no. |
| 16:33.32 | graphyx | just tell the next person that calls that it is an intelligence test and if they cant figure it out on their own, it will be marked in their file. |
| 16:33.58 | SB1-Work | Small business, we don't have files ;) |
| 16:34.35 | levi | So create some! Or not. You don't really have to have them to make empty threats. |
| 16:34.57 | SB1-Work | That's true |
| 16:35.10 | SB1-Work | I'd much rather just threaten to record their IM conversations |
| 16:35.17 | levi | There you go. |
| 16:35.26 | levi | Blackmail is one of the key BOFH tactics! |
| 16:35.42 | SB1-Work | levi, do you speak from experience? ;) |
| 16:36.05 | levi | SB1-Work: The experience of reading lots of BOFH stories. :) |
| 16:37.10 | SB1-Work | levi: just one question for you. Is it harder to BOFH a windows shop or a linux shop? ;) |
| 16:37.44 | levi | Beats me. I'm sure you could do it with either. |
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| 16:38.27 | levi | The techniques would be a bit different with Windows machines, of course. |
| 16:45.37 | SB1-Work | Just curious if you had any thoughts on the matter |
| 16:48.18 | graphyx | you are asking the wrong question. BOFH isn't an action, but rather an attitude. |
| 16:48.57 | graphyx | you have much to learn grasshopper. |
| 16:49.36 | SB1-Work | As odd as this may sound here, I try to *avoid* being a BOFH. |
| 16:49.48 | SB1-Work | Simply because I go home and get to hear about it :P |
| 16:49.50 | macnewbold | except with people who deserve it... |
| 16:50.29 | graphyx | SB1-Work: I was kidding of course. |
| 16:50.34 | SB1-Work | macnewbold, the people who deserve it the most are the ones who whine the most. Luckily, I've recieved little whining lately :) |
| 16:50.41 | SB1-Work | graphyx, yeah, I know |
| 16:50.44 | levi | SB1-Work: If you make them live in fear of you, they won't dare speak to you about it! |
| 16:51.54 | SB1-Work | The thing about the BOFH, is that he has so many users he can screw with them all he wants.. I don't have that luxary, or curse :( |
| 16:53.27 | graphyx | I don't suppose that sending around an email would help any. |
| 16:54.00 | SB1-Work | To get the e-mail, they have to login. :) |
| 16:54.11 | graphyx | right. |
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| 17:01.04 | phinux | Any know how I could force processes run by people who ssh into a machine to a nice level of 19? |
| 17:02.05 | nick125_lappy | not that I know of... |
| 17:04.26 | maquis | phinux: no, but that's a good idea for the labs |
| 17:04.33 | phinux | Excatly. |
| 17:05.17 | maquis | so, if i didn't want to get niced, i could log in directly to a machine, start screen, start my process, disconnect and leave.. |
| 17:05.29 | maquis | and i'd only have to compete with the person physically on the machine |
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| 17:05.40 | nick125_lappy | A very good idea... |
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| 17:06.56 | vontrapp | arg!! i need memory! |
| 17:07.15 | maquis | it's in the children's section :) |
| 17:07.39 | nick125_lappy | (I'm still learning dvorak, and it takes me about five minutes to type a sentence...) |
| 17:08.29 | graphyx | nick125 I feel your pain. |
| 17:08.46 | nick125_lappy | I think that sentence took 3 minutes.. |
| 17:08.51 | graphyx | lets have a contest. |
| 17:09.05 | vontrapp | ready, go!! |
| 17:09.36 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: ooo...what kind of contest? |
| 17:09.57 | graphyx | is surprised how much dvorak he remembers from more than a year ago. |
| 17:10.02 | vontrapp | nick125_lappy: the kind where you lose |
| 17:10.08 | nick125_lappy | oh |
| 17:10.18 | graphyx | I was thinking that we could try to type what someone writes and see who finished first. |
| 17:10.19 | nick125_lappy | I hate those.. |
| 17:10.26 | graphyx | me too. |
| 17:10.58 | graphyx | well, I am ok if you are the one that loses. |
| 17:11.10 | vontrapp | ok, whoever types this first wins: 100111011011110001001101011 |
| 17:11.24 | graphyx | 10011011011110001001101011 |
| 17:11.40 | graphyx | wins what? |
| 17:11.50 | nick125_lappy | But, I've only been typing dvorak since last night...heh |
| 17:11.52 | vontrapp | you have to translate it to ascii first, of course |
| 17:12.18 | graphyx | heh. |
| 17:12.37 | vontrapp | this is to prevent cheating by copyind and pasting |
| 17:12.53 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: lets beat vontrapp up and steal the prize instead.... |
| 17:12.55 | graphyx | nick125 oh, I am working on about 5 days |
| 17:13.13 | nick125_lappy | aah |
| 17:13.29 | graphyx | vontrapp: Just type in uppercase. |
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| 17:13.51 | [phoenyx] | 27? |
| 17:14.18 | vontrapp | [phoenyx]: nine bit ascii |
| 17:14.29 | macnewbold | nine bit? what kind of lame thing is that? |
| 17:14.38 | macnewbold | maybe on a trinary computer.... |
| 17:15.08 | vontrapp | the kind where i didn't count before hand |
| 17:16.51 | vontrapp | cut me some slack here, i'm using dvorak |
| 17:17.06 | levi | No slack for silly dvorak users! |
| 17:17.19 | [phoenyx] | and 1 and 0 is in a different place with dvorak?! |
| 17:17.26 | vontrapp | it's a dvorak revolution! |
| 17:17.39 | nick125_lappy | we arent silly either!! |
| 17:17.40 | vontrapp | join the revolution! |
| 17:17.51 | graphyx | no, numbers have different values. |
| 17:18.17 | nick125_lappy | levi: want to take this outside? |
| 17:18.21 | maquis | 01101101 01011010 01110010 00110100 |
| 17:18.22 | levi | nick125_lappy: You seem awfully defensive. You must have some issues with your silly choice to switch to dvorak. |
| 17:18.53 | vontrapp | maquis: baby |
| 17:18.56 | vontrapp | i win! |
| 17:19.27 | graphyx | who are you calling baby? |
| 17:19.50 | [phoenyx] | "no slack for dvorak" has a certain ring to it |
| 17:19.55 | nick125_lappy | its actually more comfortable in my opinion... |
| 17:20.05 | vontrapp | i do feel pretty slow sometimes |
| 17:20.23 | graphyx | you are slow sometimes. |
| 17:20.25 | maquis | vontrapp: i don't think so |
| 17:20.34 | maquis | the first and 3rd characters are different |
| 17:20.40 | atoponce | aoeuidhtns! |
| 17:20.51 | vontrapp | maquis: better than some other four letter words i thought of |
| 17:21.01 | graphyx | ! is on home row! |
| 17:21.15 | graphyx | s/is/isn't/ |
| 17:21.31 | graphyx | it's aoeuihtns- |
| 17:21.33 | vontrapp | why would it be? |
| 17:21.50 | atoponce | graphyx: true |
| 17:21.53 | maquis | vontrapp: :) |
| 17:22.23 | levi | I should analyze the frequency of my different keypresses and make a custom keymap perfectly suited to my typing patterns, just to one-up you silly dvorak people. |
| 17:22.50 | [phoenyx] | dvorak users are more passionate, and, therefore, need the ! more often |
| 17:23.20 | atoponce | maquis: 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01100001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00111111 |
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| 17:23.42 | levi | I could make it into a program and distribute it freely, which would force everyone in pursuit of new ways to make their typing 'more efficient' to waste more time learning a new 'optimal' key layout! |
| 17:24.08 | elg | ~optimize levi |
| 17:24.22 | nick125_lappy | you silly qwerty user... |
| 17:25.03 | atoponce | s/including/starting with/ |
| 17:25.09 | levi | atoponce: Yet a more egregious waste of time! I love it. :) |
| 17:25.16 | atoponce | :) |
| 17:25.37 | vontrapp | waste levi |
| 17:25.46 | vontrapp | ~waste levi |
| 17:26.16 | elg | levi meant: An even egregiouser waste of time! |
| 17:26.18 | neybar | you'll never take me! |
| 17:27.50 | nick125_lappy | dvorak_instructo: hahah |
| 17:28.07 | dvorak_teacher | there we go |
| 17:28.27 | dvorak_teacher | or, better yet... |
| 17:28.31 | vontrapp | dvorak ho |
| 17:28.37 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.49 | Elder_Dvorak | :) |
| 17:29.04 | graphyx | s/urto/ucto/ |
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| 17:32.39 | Elder_Dvorak | levi: hi. i'm Elder Dvorak. we'd like to share a message with you about typing. |
| 17:33.06 | maquis | oh dear.... |
| 17:33.10 | Elder_Dvorak | we follow the teachings by a man named August Dvorak |
| 17:33.12 | levi | Elder_Dvorak: Get lost! Can't you read the sign? No solicitors! |
| 17:33.18 | Elder_Dvorak | lol |
| 17:34.20 | Elder_Dvorak | i sense you have some concerns |
| 17:34.37 | nick125_lappy | hahahhahahhah |
| 17:35.30 | levi | I don't believe in your false keyboard prophet! |
| 17:36.43 | nick125_lappy | It's anything but false!! |
| 17:37.49 | [phoenyx] | Elder_Dvorak: how do you know your layout is right and mine is wrong? You sound just like those azertyarians I turned away last week |
| 17:38.20 | Elder_Dvorak | levi: august dvorak recognized that none of the layouts were good, so he set out on his own to find the right layout |
| 17:38.45 | levi | Elder_Dvorak: And was clearly visited in his confusion by the devil himself! |
| 17:38.57 | Elder_Dvorak | [phoenyx]: if you will turn with me to dvorak chapter 5, verse 11, it reads... |
| 17:39.50 | [phoenyx] | Elder_Dvorak: I only believe in the wikipedia |
| 17:40.32 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 17:41.12 | nick125_lappy | hahha |
| 17:42.27 | nick125_lappy | where can I get a copy of that? |
| 17:42.43 | maquis | lol... that was hilarious |
| 17:45.00 | Elder_Dvorak | registered! :) |
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| 18:02.19 | atoponce | in all seriousness, how many here are using dvorak as their layout, or at least know/learning it? just curious. |
| 18:02.45 | jsmith | Not me :-( |
| 18:03.41 | redbeard1 | ~lart maquis for not knowing who depeche mode is |
| 18:03.59 | atoponce | i know unum uses it. graphyx and nick125_lappy are learning it. vontrapp knows it... |
| 18:04.23 | atoponce | 5 out of 58. that's not bad, actually. ~10% |
| 18:04.54 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: unum's typing isn't the best example ;) |
| 18:05.08 | nick125_lappy | I'm attempting to learn it... |
| 18:05.23 | atoponce | [phoenyx]: true. :) |
| 18:05.24 | jayceh | ~slap maquis |
| 18:05.31 | ibot | ACTION slaps maquis, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 18:07.16 | nick125_lappy | I really should get some label paper and make my keyboard dvorakian... |
| 18:08.18 | nick125_lappy | (I can't rearrange the keys since its a laptop) |
| 18:08.52 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: i wouldn't recommend it. rather, print of a copy of dvzine at dvzine.org, and prop it next to your computer |
| 18:09.17 | atoponce | you'll learn the bad habit of looking at your fingers if your keys are relabeled |
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| 18:10.52 | stuporglue | Is there a way to create a partition non-interactively? I want to create a partition from the remaining free space on disk without being prompted |
| 18:13.59 | maquis | ~lart stuporglue |
| 18:17.19 | nick125_lappy | atoponce: I think I found another benefit of dvorak...it keeps my computer secure... |
| 18:18.00 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: yeah. not very many can type on it, and people can't figure out your password by looking at your fingers |
| 18:19.44 | nick125_lappy | thats a small flaw in our take-over-the-world plan... |
| 18:27.42 | nick125_lappy | I hope I can become proficient in dvorak in a week, using it exclusively on my laptop |
| 18:28.40 | atoponce | using gtypist? |
| 18:29.28 | nick125_lappy | using it as my default layout... |
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| 18:31.05 | nick125_lappy | using gtypist and dvorakng |
| 18:32.58 | goozbach | http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/robots/honda-asimo-vs-slippery-stairs-220771.php |
| 18:34.54 | elg | i hate it when i'm ready to take a final that doesn't start for another 1.5 hours |
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| 18:50.57 | spr | I hate waiting for service people on the phone |
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| 18:53.39 | mrpull | spr: i think google's click-to-call has promise there |
| 18:53.51 | mrpull | you tell them to call you |
| 18:54.56 | ^Migs^ | haha stupid robots |
| 18:56.46 | spr | And they've lost record of my extended warranty |
| 18:57.15 | nick125_lappy | spr: nice... |
| 18:57.41 | spr | It's just a great time for the hard drive to die. |
| 18:57.53 | mrpull | spr: extended warranties are the biggest scams. they sure know how to sell them, but rarely provide anything useful when it comes time to use them |
| 18:58.22 | spr | Last time I called they were really helpful |
| 18:58.24 | nick125_lappy | Compusa did that once on my monitor.. |
| 18:59.16 | nick125_lappy | they "lost" it right as it needed repair.. |
| 19:07.50 | spr | It's been 2.5 years in this case. |
| 19:08.11 | spr | I'm upset, but not too bothered. |
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| 19:20.20 | nick125- | I want a dvorak treo |
| 19:20.43 | redbeard1 | whoa. apparently my wife just scored free tickets to eragon this saturday. |
| 19:20.56 | nick125- | nice |
| 19:21.18 | redbeard1 | apparently one of her boss's friends is renting out a theatre |
| 19:21.33 | harleypig | cool |
| 19:21.45 | redbeard1 | harleypig! you live! |
| 19:21.55 | harleypig | *groooooan* |
| 19:22.04 | harleypig | braaaains |
| 19:22.26 | redbeard1 | well, maybe not alive, but undead works too |
| 19:22.32 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you've got red on you |
| 19:22.33 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:22.50 | harleypig | where? |
| 19:23.25 | nick125- | atoponce: we should call palm and request they make a dvorak treo |
| 19:24.20 | nick125- | or least a setting for it |
| 19:27.43 | redbeard1 | maquis: remove the head or destroy the brain |
| 19:28.47 | harleypig | Don't forget ... some people's brains aren't in their heads ... |
| 19:29.36 | redbeard1 | maquis: in harleypig's case, you just need to remove the head. the other part won't work. |
| 19:29.57 | redbeard1 | ~duck harleypig |
| 19:30.03 | ibot | ACTION gives harleypig a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels harleypig with it's big white wings. |
| 19:30.45 | redbeard1 | ibot: its, not it's |
| 19:33.54 | emcnabb | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dff/319240116/ |
| 19:35.08 | elg | emcnabb: don't depress me today |
| 19:35.11 | elg | I'm taking finals |
| 19:36.01 | ^Migs^ | omg, our new portal design is so....orange |
| 19:37.21 | ^Migs^ | er, no link |
| 19:37.34 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 19:37.46 | emcnabb | ~poo elg |
| 19:37.48 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at elg |
| 19:41.48 | atoponce | nick125: yeah. do they even have the option to change the layout in palm? |
| 19:50.32 | emcnabb | the people at NewEgg are morons |
| 19:51.19 | SB1-Work | why? |
| 19:51.26 | graphyx | ~monkies elg |
| 19:51.39 | graphyx | ~monkeys elg |
| 19:51.47 | SB1-Work | ~monkey elg |
| 19:51.48 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at elg |
| 19:51.53 | SB1-Work | ^^ |
| 19:52.49 | emcnabb | they totally screwed up my order |
| 19:53.15 | emcnabb | instead of telling me that a part is on backorder, they completely delete it from my order and make it look like it never existed |
| 19:53.27 | emcnabb | (like I had never ordered it) |
| 19:53.43 | ^Migs^ | that fat 8 year-old girl who's trying to make friends with my 3 year-old told my kid that Santa isn't real |
| 19:53.49 | ^Migs^ | that really pissed me off |
| 19:53.59 | maquis | ^Migs^: that's horrible! |
| 19:54.21 | maquis | emcnabb: did they still charge you for it? |
| 19:54.24 | ^Migs^ | she came home in tears |
| 19:54.33 | maquis | ^Migs^: sad!!! |
| 19:55.07 | maquis | you told her the girl was wrong, right? |
| 19:55.27 | ^Migs^ | well, of course, and that fact will be proven on Christmas day when she sees that Santa left all sorts of presents |
| 19:56.05 | mrpull | i have a struggle with telling my kids about santa |
| 19:56.55 | ^Migs^ | 8 year olds should NOT try to forge best friendships with 3 year olds. Problem is her mother is encouraging her 8 year-old daughter to do this |
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| 19:57.20 | ^Migs^ | this stupid kid is breaking all our toys, too. She sat on my kid's bike and broke it. She crammed her fat body into a dress up costume and we had to cut it off her. |
| 19:57.25 | mrpull | yeah. that isn't right. the 8 year old needs peers her own age. |
| 19:57.35 | emcnabb | maquis: no, they didn't |
| 19:57.42 | ^Migs^ | there are plenty of other 8 year old girls in the neighborhood, right next to her |
| 19:57.47 | decriptor | I need some help with encrypting harddrives |
| 19:58.01 | decriptor | I can encrypted it on one system but another won't mount it |
| 19:58.16 | ^Migs^ | that's why it's encrypted |
| 19:58.33 | decriptor | I'm using losetup on both with the passwords |
| 19:59.36 | maquis | ^Migs^: that's bad... |
| 19:59.45 | decriptor | when I try to open it on a different machine I use losetup -e aes /dev/loop0 /dev/sdc1 |
| 19:59.59 | decriptor | I'm not worried about the data on it since there isn't any |
| 20:00.21 | maquis | emcnabb: good... they shouldn't charge until they are shipping... |
| 20:00.55 | ^Migs^ | http://gifpaste.net/dimages/1580.birdshit.jpg |
| 20:01.44 | emcnabb | maquis: they wouldn't let me cancel my order and it hadn't even ship yet |
| 20:01.48 | emcnabb | shipped |
| 20:01.52 | atoponce | is this correct perl: my(@data) = @_[0]; # to pass the first of 3 arguments? |
| 20:01.57 | emcnabb | they told me I could reject the package when it got there |
| 20:02.07 | ^Migs^ | this kid's mother isn't that great either. She keeps hitting up my wife for rides to Albertson's. Turns out she sends moneygrams to people for gambling, behind her husband's back. |
| 20:02.49 | ^Migs^ | and of course, sees nothing wrong with an 8 year-old trying to be best friends with a 3 year-old |
| 20:03.13 | atoponce | or is this better: my(@a, @b, @c) = @_; |
| 20:03.27 | atoponce | then use @a, @b and @c as necessary |
| 20:03.29 | ^Migs^ | it wouldn't be so bad if it was just casual playing when all the kids were outside, trying to form a best-friend relationship with such a huge age difference is bad. And my 3 year-old doesn't know any better. She just thinks it's cool that an older kid has taken an interest in her. |
| 20:03.46 | maquis | emcnabb: that's ugly... and poor service |
| 20:04.12 | maquis | ^Migs^: that sounds like massive trouble |
| 20:04.20 | maquis | can your wife do anything about it? |
| 20:04.46 | ^Migs^ | she's HUGELY stressed over this. This lady was calling her every single day for awhile. I think she's gotten the hint that we don't like her, hopefully. |
| 20:04.55 | maquis | emcnabb: even when you called, they couldn't cancel the order? |
| 20:05.17 | ^Migs^ | but these are just bad neighbors. I wouldn't mind so much, but it concerns my kids. |
| 20:05.34 | maquis | ^Migs^: i'd be concerned about that type of thing with your 3-year-old |
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| 20:06.14 | synic | atoponce: are you trying to pass arrays in? |
| 20:06.49 | emcnabb | maquis: nope |
| 20:07.03 | maquis | emcnabb: that's stupid |
| 20:07.26 | SB1-Work | once it's been sent, it's been sent. It's hard to cancel an order that's been charged and shipped |
| 20:08.16 | ^Migs^ | this lady's 9 or 10 year-old emo son really creeps me out too |
| 20:08.31 | ^Migs^ | he often follows his sister around, and has been in our house. I *REALLY* don't like him. |
| 20:08.42 | mrpull | ^migs^: cant you just politely tell the mother her children aren't welcome? |
| 20:09.09 | mrpull | most moms would take offense even if you are nice... |
| 20:09.15 | ^Migs^ | my wife doesn't want to do that. She thinks it would be rude. |
| 20:09.23 | ^Migs^ | and yes, she would take offense. Girls are overly emotional like that. |
| 20:09.49 | mrpull | ^migs^: you don't seem to have any problem being rude... you do it :) |
| 20:09.51 | ^Migs^ | everything has to be this big deal |
| 20:10.21 | ^Migs^ | no, I wouldn't have a problem doing that. But it would upset my wife. She's been in an emotionally fragile state lately. |
| 20:10.43 | maquis | SB1-Work: the problem is, before it gets shipped, it should be cancellable |
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| 20:11.28 | fozzmoo | ~seen goozbach |
| 20:11.47 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 1h 38m 49s, last said: 'http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/robots/honda-asimo-vs-slippery-stairs-220771.php'. |
| 20:11.50 | emcnabb | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 20:11.52 | ibot | fozzmoo is currently on #utah (33s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 24s, last said: '~seen goozbach'. |
| 20:11.59 | ^Migs^ | we live in a cul-de-sac, so we're kind of forced to be close to everyone else |
| 20:12.07 | ^Migs^ | cul-de-sacs don't work unless everyone gets along with each other |
| 20:12.23 | SB1-Work | maquis, I would be more sympathetic, if I hadn't been through this similar thing before. He was charged for the item, right? Or no? |
| 20:13.06 | maquis | SB1-Work: what emcnabb said is that the order hadn't shipped yet, and they wouldn't let him cancel... |
| 20:13.47 | ^Migs^ | so I'm finding out, at least |
| 20:14.04 | maquis | SB1-Work: i'm not at all sympathetic toward the company on this... an order should be cancellable until its shipping (and an order shouldn't be charged until it's being put on the truck, either) |
| 20:14.25 | fozzmoo | maquis: That's usually how it's done. |
| 20:14.48 | SB1-Work | maquis, even if it's in the box with his address on it, sealed, and sitting waiting for the daily pickup? |
| 20:14.55 | maquis | SB1-Work: sure |
| 20:15.11 | SB1-Work | maquis, even with the sheer volume of the orders they recieve? |
| 20:16.16 | SB1-Work | maquis, http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2694&p=9 |
| 20:16.18 | maquis | SB1-Work: i have seen orders at amazon be cacelled after they had made it to the gift-wrap table... |
| 20:16.37 | SB1-Work | maquis, that's slightly nuts imo |
| 20:16.42 | maquis | i'm fairly certain that amazon has a higher order-volume than newegg... |
| 20:17.17 | SB1-Work | I'd be inclined to agree with you there |
| 20:17.38 | maquis | so, i doubt that it's impossible for newegg to do... |
| 20:17.59 | maquis | if they're refusing to do it, it's due to not caring about the customer experience |
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| 20:19.51 | graphyx | I was waiting for the amazon comparison. |
| 20:20.10 | maquis | graphyx: you got it... |
| 20:27.18 | goozbach | atoponce: you should use my( $a $b $c ) |
| 20:27.22 | emcnabb | SB1-Laptop: The thing is they screwed up my order. It's not like I just don't want it any more. I bought all of the pieces for my new server, and then they decided they're not going to ship me the RAM. How useful does that make everything else I purchased from them? |
| 20:27.22 | goozbach | list context and all |
| 20:27.25 | goozbach | fozzmoo: pong |
| 20:28.03 | emcnabb | and best of all is they didn't tell me that the RAM was taken off of my order |
| 20:28.06 | redbeard1 | ~pong goozbach |
| 20:28.10 | ibot | goozbach: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:28.11 | emcnabb | it just disappeared |
| 20:28.12 | maquis | goozbach: you bonked him out of the channel! |
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| 20:29.16 | redbeard1 | geez goozbach, what were you thinking? |
| 20:29.25 | goozbach | that was a hard pong! |
| 20:29.32 | fozzmoo | GOOZBACH! |
| 20:30.03 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you'd better be glad fozzmoo's so resilient to you bonking him out of the channel |
| 20:30.17 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: you should have seen the things goozbach was saying about you when you left |
| 20:30.29 | SB1-Laptop | emcnabb, I've honestly never seen that. Did they charge you for the RAM? |
| 20:30.40 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: Nothing would surprise me at this point. |
| 20:32.58 | emcnabb | SB1-Laptop: no, they didn't. I'm just glad I caught that or I wouldn't be building my system this weekend |
| 20:34.04 | emcnabb | I can totally understand them emailing me or putting something on the status page like "we're sorry, the product you ordered is out of stock. Please consider the following or wait X days" |
| 20:34.08 | emcnabb | oh well |
| 20:34.13 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.24 | goozbach | I LOVE people who don't understand a language trying to write an entire application in it. |
| 20:34.24 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.26 | harleypig | You better not pout, I'm telling you why... |
| 20:34.45 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.51 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.51 | harleypig | He's leaving his wife, |
| 20:34.51 | harleypig | He's gonna come out, |
| 20:34.52 | harleypig | to start a new life... |
| 20:34.57 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.03 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.03 | harleypig | It's made him awful tense. |
| 20:35.03 | harleypig | He knows it will be better now, |
| 20:35.04 | harleypig | When he comes down off that fence. |
| 20:35.10 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.15 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.16 | harleypig | You better not cry, |
| 20:35.16 | harleypig | You better not pout, |
| 20:35.16 | harleypig | I'm telling you why... |
| 20:35.21 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.56 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you sicko. where do you get these ideas? |
| 20:36.40 | harleypig | Thanks for the candy cane that you got from your visit with gay santa redbeard1! |
| 20:36.59 | redbeard1 | oh man. that was the gayest santa i ever saw. |
| 20:37.09 | harleypig | no pics? |
| 20:37.16 | redbeard1 | sorry |
| 20:37.26 | redbeard1 | had i know, i would have brought my camera |
| 20:37.38 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 20:37.38 | redbeard1 | http://www.blackchandelier.com/ |
| 20:37.46 | redbeard1 | look at dec 8 |
| 20:38.07 | atoponce | anyone want to attempt to help me with some perl regex? :) |
| 20:38.12 | harleypig | little tip ... *DON'T* do a google image search for the phrase 'gay santa' |
| 20:38.28 | harleypig | atoponce: sure |
| 20:38.31 | redbeard1 | harleypig: dude, why would you even do that in the first place? |
| 20:38.42 | harleypig | Cause I'm masochistic |
| 20:38.52 | graphyx | we have a web proxy for things like that. |
| 20:39.03 | atoponce | harleypig: thx. ok let's say i have several lines in a file in the following format: |
| 20:39.11 | atoponce | Q Q6 FLD [421.2] --> [26.4] Type=MFLD Max=2 |
| 20:39.23 | harleypig | ok |
| 20:39.36 | atoponce | Q6 will change everytime as will [421.2] and [26.4] |
| 20:39.50 | atoponce | after [26.4], the line may or may not end there |
| 20:40.18 | harleypig | ok |
| 20:40.39 | atoponce | so, i need the data where Q6 is located (just Q6) (which i think i have) |
| 20:41.03 | atoponce | [26.4] can be in the format [xx] or [xx.yy] |
| 20:41.15 | atoponce | i need xx and/or yy |
| 20:41.32 | atoponce | finally, if Max=z exists, i need z |
| 20:41.39 | atoponce | make sense? |
| 20:41.40 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:43.20 | jayceh | atoponce, is it always fixed width? |
| 20:43.28 | harleypig | atoponce: sorry, phone call |
| 20:43.40 | atoponce | jayceh: yes |
| 20:43.49 | atoponce | space delimited |
| 20:44.03 | atoponce | here's what i have so far. feel free to chastize as necessary: http://pastebin.ca/275811 |
| 20:44.10 | atoponce | this will be a module |
| 20:45.02 | harleypig | Are you doing it line by line? |
| 20:45.06 | redbeard1 | awww... atoponce and maquis are both learning perl! that's awesome! |
| 20:45.08 | atoponce | harleypig: yes. |
| 20:45.30 | atoponce | harleypig: well actually |
| 20:45.39 | atoponce | i'm just scanning the file for that data |
| 20:45.51 | atoponce | let me pastebin a file, so you know what i'm looking at |
| 20:46.35 | harleypig | k |
| 20:46.38 | jayceh | atoponce, use unpack then, faster/easier for fixed width data |
| 20:46.47 | atoponce | http://pastebin.ca/275813 |
| 20:46.58 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 20:46.59 | harleypig | jayceh: can you use variable data with unpack? |
| 20:47.23 | Jayce^ | harleypig, yeah, you define a format, then loop unpacking the lines... |
| 20:47.31 | fozzmoo | atoponce: I'd first properly scope all your variables. Start each new declaration with "my" |
| 20:47.34 | maquis | atoponce: great to have another n00b around :) |
| 20:47.39 | Jayce^ | actually considered the best practice |
| 20:47.58 | atoponce | maquis: :) |
| 20:48.02 | harleypig | I mean, can you tell unpack to look for data on a line that may or may not have the data? |
| 20:48.33 | Jayce^ | well, it returns an error if your pattern format doesn't match |
| 20:48.37 | atoponce | fozzmoo: yeah. i'm passing the file name and question label in my function, then looking for that label in the file |
| 20:48.44 | harleypig | atoponce: You only want the data on the line that has Q Q6? not the following related data? |
| 20:49.04 | atoponce | harleypig: correct. i even want very specific data on that line |
| 20:50.17 | atoponce | i don't care about the crap below that line |
| 20:51.26 | levi | pack/unpack is powerful, but really nasty. |
| 20:52.05 | Tene | atoponce: you're trying to pass in an array of filenames and an array of labels? |
| 20:52.10 | levi | Which is not at all surprising. It is perl, after all. |
| 20:52.57 | atoponce | one at a time: getResponse(file.rfl, Q4); # for example |
| 20:53.00 | harleypig | Ok, to clarify, you want x and y and possibly z: Q Q6 FLD [xxx.x] --> [yy.y] Type=MFLD Max=z |
| 20:53.12 | atoponce | almost |
| 20:53.24 | Tene | atoponce: why are you trying to use array variables, then? |
| 20:53.27 | harleypig | what am I missing? |
| 20:53.44 | atoponce | i want y and z out of that. not x |
| 20:53.59 | atoponce | and q6 |
| 20:54.23 | atoponce | Tene: i was actually changing it to scalars... :) i don't think i need an array |
| 20:54.42 | Tene | Yeah... you don't want arrays there, you want scalars. |
| 20:54.47 | atoponce | colo |
| 20:54.56 | atoponce | s/colo/cool/ |
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| 20:57.45 | harleypig | http://pastebin.ca/275834 |
| 20:57.52 | harleypig | atoponce: see if that makes sense to you |
| 20:58.26 | harleypig | Not actually tried, or even perl -c 'd |
| 20:58.59 | levi | Mmm, line noise. |
| 20:59.03 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:59.49 | atoponce | next unless $line =~ /^Q\s+@label/; # i need whatever is passed. could be q6, could be q15, or whatever |
| 20:59.51 | atoponce | ? |
| 20:59.56 | atoponce | is that right? |
| 21:00.43 | harleypig | oh ... no, not that way |
| 21:01.01 | harleypig | so, outside the loop do $grab = join '|', @label |
| 21:01.06 | harleypig | then in the loop |
| 21:01.07 | atoponce | and i see x and y, but not z? |
| 21:01.33 | harleypig | next unless $line =~ /^Q\s+($label)/ |
| 21:01.44 | atoponce | ahh. okay |
| 21:02.34 | harleypig | er ... I'll fix that regex to grab z |
| 21:02.52 | atoponce | i have to say, that's impressive |
| 21:03.24 | harleypig | http://pastebin.ca/275847 |
| 21:03.26 | harleypig | How's that |
| 21:04.36 | atoponce | it's tough for me to see, but how do i know i'm grabbing the data in the second set of brackets, and not the first? |
| 21:04.53 | levi | It's impressive as long as you won't have to go back and change it a month or two down the road. ;) |
| 21:04.58 | harleypig | The ^.*\[ is greedy ... it grabs as much as possible |
| 21:05.46 | harleypig | So, it'll grab everything up to the last [ |
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| 21:06.01 | atoponce | and, does \d include the . if it's present? |
| 21:06.47 | harleypig | atoponce: No, so " |
| 21:07.14 | harleypig | \[(\d+)\]" will change to "\[([\d.]+)\]" |
| 21:07.25 | atoponce | ok |
| 21:07.58 | harleypig | A little clunky ... if there were multiple '.'s it would capture those as well |
| 21:08.06 | atoponce | does it take into account if Max=z it's there, or not? |
| 21:08.21 | atoponce | some lines have it, others don't |
| 21:13.05 | harleypig | yeah ... |
| 21:13.12 | harleypig | (.*?max=\d+)? |
| 21:13.22 | atoponce | ok. cool |
| 21:13.26 | Tene | s/max/Max/ |
| 21:13.33 | harleypig | the () has everything after the last \] and the () holds the rest of the line |
| 21:13.40 | harleypig | the ? at the end says it's optional |
| 21:14.04 | harleypig | right ... typing quickly whilst switching around windows, sorrya bout that |
| 21:14.08 | atoponce | ahh. okay. that makes sense |
| 21:14.22 | atoponce | harleypig: np. i really appreciate your help on this |
| 21:14.27 | harleypig | welcome |
| 21:15.07 | harleypig | You may have to tweak it ... I haven't actually tried any of it. |
| 21:16.07 | atoponce | yeah. and then i just return $data[0] [1] and [2], right? got that from the regex? |
| 21:16.12 | Tene | Working on Perl 6 presentation for Plug tonight... anything specific anyone's interested in? |
| 21:17.19 | harleypig | atoponce: no, there's only 2 elements ... |
| 21:17.24 | maquis | Tene: are you including the graph that has time on the x-axis and "length of arrow" on the y-axis? |
| 21:17.26 | harleypig | oh, that's right you wanted the label as well. |
| 21:17.47 | atoponce | well, right. i was thinking about adding the label to the regex you have there in one line... |
| 21:18.07 | Tene | maquis: I remember seeing it somewhere before, but don't remember the context. |
| 21:18.32 | maquis | Tene: i think audreyt uses it in all of her presentations |
| 21:19.45 | harleypig | atoponce: http://pastebin.ca/275872 |
| 21:20.20 | harleypig | Don't do more work than you have to ... you've already found out what the label is in the unless line. |
| 21:21.05 | harleypig | err ... forgot ... in aloop .... add to end of loop: unshift @data, $label |
| 21:21.21 | harleypig | Will shove $label onto the front of @data |
| 21:21.40 | redbeard1 | everyone: if maquis suddenly falls into a coma, it's my fault. i introduced her to selfgol. |
| 21:22.22 | maquis | *b00m* |
| 21:23.26 | Tene | selfgol? |
| 21:23.31 | Jayce^ | mmmm, selfgol |
| 21:23.39 | redbeard1 | http://ali.as/PPI/selfgol.html |
| 21:23.42 | Jayce^ | Tene, be warned, it will forever scar you |
| 21:24.10 | maquis | i was just starting to like perl... |
| 21:24.16 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 21:24.40 | Jayce^ | maquis, that makes you like it even more :-> bwahahahaha |
| 21:24.43 | atoponce | that's just wrong |
| 21:24.55 | redbeard1 | maquis, i wouldn't have shown it to you, but you work for amazon now... so you don't have a choice but to learn perl anyway |
| 21:25.12 | redbeard1 | this is what the script actually does: http://damian.conway.org/Seminars//Extreme.html |
| 21:27.06 | redbeard1 | oh man. gotta love damian conway. |
| 21:27.06 | redbeard1 | who, i might add, is apparently afraid of spiders |
| 21:27.06 | maquis | ~spider conway |
| 21:27.08 | ibot | ACTION yells at conway "omg!! there's a huge hairy spider on your back!!" |
| 21:27.08 | redbeard1 | http://search.cpan.org/~kasei/Acme-Spider-0.02/Spider.pm |
| 21:29.30 | Jayce^ | it's interesting how damian stores the multidimensional board as a single array in that program |
| 21:29.49 | levi | SelfGOL is clearly evil, yet intriguing. |
| 21:30.25 | Jayce^ | which is its point... win all 3 categories in the obfuscation contest, while especially confusing the judges that look for the most common tricks |
| 21:30.34 | goozbach | http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2006/12/how_to_know_tha.html#comment-26410274 |
| 21:30.37 | Jayce^ | in 999 bytes |
| 21:30.44 | redbeard1 | i remember when i was first introduced to the works of damian conway |
| 21:32.21 | redbeard1 | harley showed me the documentation for his Quantum::Superpositions module |
| 21:32.22 | levi | I would be more interested in SelfGOL if it was not so obfuscated. I certainly don't care to know enough about perl to decipher it. |
| 21:33.07 | redbeard1 | http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Quantum-Superpositions-1.03/lib/Quantum/Superpositions.pm |
| 21:33.29 | redbeard1 | don't read too much at once; it may cause you to lose motor functions |
| 21:34.48 | levi | At least that one's written with the intent to explain rather than obfuscate. |
| 21:35.26 | harleypig | It doesn't need to be ... it's self-obfuscatory |
| 21:36.14 | levi | No, Superpositions.pm seems fairly straightforward to me. |
| 21:36.25 | harleypig | ? Who is snyder? |
| 21:36.47 | harleypig | levi ... are you a physicist? or studying physics? |
| 21:37.10 | levi | I've read a little about quantum mechanics. |
| 21:37.17 | maquis | ~onjoin _Snyder_ please remove swearing from your quit message... ~the ops |
| 21:37.18 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 21:37.33 | harleypig | oh, wait, are you reading the docs or the code? |
| 21:38.27 | levi | The docs. |
| 21:38.37 | harleypig | yeah ... that's not what we're talking about |
| 21:38.52 | redbeard1 | harleypig: it's what i was talking about. |
| 21:38.58 | harleypig | ? really? |
| 21:38.58 | levi | I'm reading the file redbeard1 linked to. |
| 21:38.59 | harleypig | oh |
| 21:39.09 | harleypig | braaaaains |
| 21:40.24 | levi | Time for me to go take my finals. Wish me luck. |
| 21:40.32 | Tene | Good luck! |
| 21:40.35 | maquis | levi: g'luck! |
| 21:40.58 | redbeard1 | good luck duder |
| 21:44.06 | redbeard1 | for those that care, apparently i posted an old version of the Q::S doc |
| 21:44.09 | nick125_lappy | I'm bored |
| 21:44.14 | redbeard1 | this is the latest: http://search.cpan.org/~lembark/Quantum-Superpositions/lib/Quantum/Superpositions.pm |
| 21:44.39 | redbeard1 | nick125_lappy: you should check out that link. it's all sorts of fun. |
| 21:45.38 | harleypig | bugzilla sucks bottom mud |
| 21:55.12 | Jayce^ | ~lart departments that force real workers to have to use their bugzilla... |
| 21:56.21 | [phoenyx] | to keep harleypig away |
| 21:59.37 | harleypig | oooo that tickles |
| 22:05.17 | harleypig | I scared away graphyx |
| 22:08.49 | elg | one final down |
| 22:08.58 | jsmith | elg: Woo hoo! |
| 22:09.06 | jsmith | That's gotta be a happy feeling... |
| 22:09.14 | maquis | elg: pass or fail? |
| 22:09.39 | maquis | jsmith: there are happier feelings... |
| 22:09.55 | maquis | like... knowing that i don't have to take any finals |
| 22:10.47 | jsmith | maquis: Been there, done that... long enough now that I'm contemplating going back to school for a masters |
| 22:13.35 | elg | pass I think. I think I did at least average, and it's a EE class |
| 22:13.47 | elg | and i'm not a EE |
| 22:15.19 | elg | and I'm sure I at least get a C in the class |
| 22:15.24 | elg | and I learned a ton. mission accomplished |
| 22:16.49 | harleypig | http://www.uglydress.com/helkitweddre.html |
| 22:16.50 | elg | what size are normal hard drives? 3.5? |
| 22:16.56 | harleypig | Hello Kitty wedding gown |
| 22:17.12 | harleypig | You can thank redbeard1 for pointing me at this site. |
| 22:17.26 | redbeard1 | you're welcome |
| 22:18.06 | ^Migs^ | okay, I don't know why that's on uglydress.com. My wife would love that dress. |
| 22:18.28 | harleypig | For a wedding gown? |
| 22:18.37 | ^Migs^ | honestly, I'm not sure |
| 22:18.44 | ^Migs^ | probably not |
| 22:18.51 | ^Migs^ | she loves HK tho |
| 22:20.33 | harleypig | Y'know ... I've tried and tried to be open-minded about the hello kitty craze ... I mean, the Star Wars folk can get pretty wierd (speaking of which, anyone seen the Hello Kitty Vader outfit?) and I used to be able to tell you what episode of Star Trek we were watching within 5 seconds or so of seeing the images on the screen ... |
| 22:20.46 | harleypig | But Hello Kitty?! I mean ... |
| 22:20.50 | harleypig | like ... |
| 22:20.53 | harleypig | wow, dude. |
| 22:21.02 | mrpull | hello kitty vader? |
| 22:21.03 | elg | harleypig: we used to have a competition |
| 22:21.07 | mrpull | gotta google that |
| 22:21.23 | elg | every night when TNG reruns showed, my brothers and I would try to guess which episode it was |
| 22:21.49 | harleypig | http://craphound.com/images/hellovader.jpgq |
| 22:22.41 | mrpull | harleypig: oh man. that is wrong. |
| 22:22.42 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Not you or yours personally ... |
| 22:22.50 | harleypig | mrpull: yeah :> |
| 22:23.08 | mrpull | further proof you can buy hello kitty _anything_ |
| 22:23.20 | harleypig | I believe that one was homemade |
| 22:23.44 | elg | i'm just glad I don't live in asia |
| 22:24.38 | elg | nobody knows the standard hard drive size? how about laptop? are those 2.5 or 3.5? |
| 22:25.49 | ^Migs^ | it's 3.5 HTH |
| 22:25.53 | ^Migs^ | standard. |
| 22:25.57 | ^Migs^ | I assume laptops are 2.5 |
| 22:26.03 | ^Migs^ | well wait, no they're not |
| 22:26.08 | ^Migs^ | I dunno, don't listen to me |
| 22:26.12 | harleypig | ummm ... The Official Star Trek/Hello Kitty Boca Monkey Dildo |
| 22:26.19 | ^Migs^ | define "standard" |
| 22:26.23 | harleypig | I'm not clicking on the link though |
| 22:29.28 | harleypig | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-41,GGGL:en&q=define%3Astandard |
| 22:29.37 | harleypig | that's for you ^Migs^ |
| 22:29.59 | elg | you could have just asked the bot |
| 22:30.02 | elg | ~dict standard |
| 22:30.16 | harleypig | elg: that would have been too easy |
| 22:30.27 | harleypig | ~showcmd |
| 22:30.37 | harleypig | ~show me yer friggin command list! |
| 22:38.30 | elg | so I'm still mildly disappointed with my macbook's video card, but it turns out it beats everything in the labs here |
| 22:38.35 | maquis | ~tell harleypig about help |
| 22:39.07 | elg | they are 3d accelerated, but various display issues and much slower |
| 22:42.37 | ^Migs^ | I kind of wish we didn't have to have lunch catered during every meeting. It wastes time. |
| 22:46.17 | harleypig | maquis: I already knew about that ... it doesn't really help |
| 22:46.32 | harleypig | it doesn't say anything about the ~commands that people have been using |
| 22:50.25 | maquis | harleypig: that's because the ones people have been using are the user-created ones |
| 22:50.39 | maquis | ^Migs^: i wouldn't complain about free food |
| 22:50.40 | elg | it's like ibot is our very own lambda calculus |
| 22:50.51 | elg | maquis: you would if you were ^Migs^ |
| 22:50.57 | redbeard1 | ~command harleypig |
| 22:51.06 | maquis | elg: obviously |
| 22:51.17 | maquis | :w |
| 22:51.27 | elg | i'm gearing up for my CS theory exam tomorrow. it involves high dosages of logic |
| 22:51.47 | elg | maquis, try this :!rm -rf / |
| 22:53.19 | maquis | elg: oh... cool! |
| 22:53.30 | levi_home | One final down for me, too. |
| 22:53.39 | levi_home | My AI class. |
| 22:54.23 | redbeard1 | levi_home: how'd you do? |
| 22:55.32 | levi_home | Not too bad, I think. |
| 22:56.07 | redbeard1 | that's because you didn't read the quantum superpositions doc fully before you took the test. |
| 22:56.28 | levi_home | I read almost all of it. |
| 22:56.50 | levi_home | And I was at the Damian Conway PLUG meeting where he mentioned it. |
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| 23:05.17 | redbeard1 | was this already posted in here? http://www.break.com/index/roller_coaster_massacre.html |
| 23:06.19 | Jayce^ | no, not yet |
| 23:06.52 | maquis | the parking lot has mini-waves in it |
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| 23:43.13 | spr | rsimpkins: around? |
| 23:50.27 | rsimpkins | spr: I am kinda. |
| 23:50.46 | spr | you want info on my NUPM presentation? |
| 23:51.10 | rsimpkins | spr: Sure, if you don't mind e-mailing it. I'm at a disadvantage at the moment. |
| 23:51.33 | spr | rsimpkins: /msg your address |
| 23:54.30 | levi_home | I got a 90 on my final, and an A in the class. Woo! |
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