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| 02:19.21 | mrpull-lt | good evening |
| 02:23.51 | elg | rats. the tech bozos over at cartalk broke the perfectly good playlist with a SMIL playlist that mplayer doesn't recognize |
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| 02:25.36 | elg | hmm. however it looks like the URL is constant now, and so I could just write a script to parse the SMIL (it's just XML) and never have to go to the lousy website again |
| 02:28.09 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 02:28.19 | Supaplex | smil => podcast |
| 02:30.24 | elg | exactly. cron job |
| 02:30.33 | elg | beats $0.69 per song |
| 02:30.38 | elg | er, episode |
| 02:30.38 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 02:39.51 | Sargun | SMIL? |
| 02:41.23 | fozzmoo | Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language |
| 02:41.56 | fozzmoo | A language based on Extensible Markup Language (XML), that enables people without programming or scripting backgrounds to author multimedia presentations in a simple text editor. SMIL is suitable for use on the World-Wide Web. |
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| 03:47.27 | vontrapp | mmm, condorman |
| 03:48.25 | tristanbob_ | I need to buy a small file server that will be running Ubuntu Linux. One requirement is RAID 1 with SATA drives. Any recommendations? |
| 03:48.43 | tristanbob_ | Price range ~$1,000 |
| 03:59.17 | elg | tristanbob_: diy? |
| 03:59.52 | elg | some mobo with decent SATA and a few SATA drives and software raid? or does it need hardware raid? |
| 04:05.41 | tristanbob_ | hardware raid is prefered |
| 04:05.50 | tristanbob_ | perhaps a Linux vendor? system76? |
| 04:06.27 | elg | no idea. I've worked with expensive IBM hardware RAID setups and software RAID. nothing inbetween. |
| 04:06.55 | elg | expensive as in external fibre |
| 04:07.08 | elg | what a pain |
| 04:08.44 | tristanbob_ | what does "Software On-Board RAID Controller" |
| 04:08.46 | tristanbob_ | mean |
| 04:09.06 | elg | hehe. maybe it's a winRAID :-P |
| 04:09.09 | tristanbob_ | it says "software" but "on-board" sounds like hardware |
| 04:09.27 | tristanbob_ | this is from system76.com website, no win* anthing |
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| 04:42.53 | Sargun | fakeraid |
| 04:51.14 | levi_home | Man, Windows Forms programming is a pain. |
| 04:58.48 | mheath[laptop] | I'm excited |
| 04:59.07 | mheath[laptop] | I spent a while with my dad, having him share some of his limited knowledge of nuclear physics with me |
| 04:59.23 | mheath[laptop] | And I'm actually getting kind of excited about some of the things I'm going to be learning |
| 04:59.28 | mheath[laptop] | I had a lot of questions |
| 05:08.36 | mheath[laptop] | Thats my big problem.....I hate just being handed a formula to plug things into. I like proofs. I like conceptually understanding WHY things work that way. |
| 05:08.48 | mheath[laptop] | Algebra was such a great fit because while powerful, it's easy to understand conceptually. |
| 05:08.53 | mheath[laptop] | Calculus is a lot more confusing. |
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| 05:19.47 | mheath[laptop] | Hmm. Is there anything one to do to improve the range on a wireless mouse? |
| 05:20.00 | mheath[laptop] | Using my wireless mouse on a metal desk, the thing only reaches a few inches |
| 05:23.25 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: not using it on a metal desk? |
| 05:23.43 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: it was a fairly standard desk though |
| 05:23.59 | mheath[laptop] | It was made mostly out of meatl though with a fake wood coating/finish |
| 05:24.10 | mheath[laptop] | Just wondering if they make any mice specifically to overcome this problem. |
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| 05:52.34 | Supaplex | odd. what was my quit msg? |
| 05:53.25 | findlay | 22:44 -!- Supaplex [n=rfc1413@shell.aros.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
| 05:54.37 | Supaplex | screen quit/died for no reason. *sigh* |
| 06:06.01 | Sargun | mheath, What frequency does your mouse run on? |
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| 06:15.42 | maquis | why do people write programs that require either gnome or kde? |
| 06:15.54 | maquis | i don't run gnome, and i don't run kde |
| 06:17.16 | levi_home | maquis: Because writing GUI programs without a framework like gnome or kde sucks worse than writing programs that do use such frameworks. |
| 06:17.41 | levi_home | maquis: You are free to not use those programs, just as you are free to not use gnome and kde. Isn't freedom great? |
| 06:24.20 | maquis | levi_home: but... input in a foreign language should not require a particular desktop |
| 06:24.51 | Supaplex | in a perfect world ... |
| 06:26.14 | maquis | Supaplex: not even in a perfect world... in any reasonable world, input in a foreign language should not require that i use kde/gnome |
| 06:26.31 | Supaplex | you're free to write something to address it |
| 06:26.50 | Supaplex | make do, fix it, or do w/o *shrug* |
| 06:27.12 | elg | X is not sophisticated enough to do it itself, so programs depend on libraries |
| 06:27.39 | elg | gnome and kde libs (or at least gtk and qt) are the best place to deal with that, because then you get consistency |
| 06:27.49 | elg | even better if there were only one, but at least there's only two major players |
| 06:28.17 | levi_home | maquis: The sad thing is, you consider X (without gnome or kde) to be an even remotely reasonable world. |
| 06:28.18 | elg | if there were as many input libraries as gui toolkits (and maybe there are) it would be utterly impossible for the user to figure out |
| 06:28.33 | levi_home | X is one of the most brain-dead systems still in use today. |
| 06:29.00 | levi_home | Its only redeeming feature is network transparency. |
| 06:29.04 | Supaplex | and yet noone fixes it. |
| 06:29.06 | elg | levi_home: I agree. I'm the first in line to use a different window manager or whatever, but I wouldn't want to live in a world that wasn't using gtk/gnome and/or qt/kde left and right |
| 06:29.25 | Sargun | maquis, What Window manager do you use? |
| 06:29.43 | elg | evil iirc :) |
| 06:30.33 | levi_home | Supaplex: It's not broken in implementation, it's broken by design. |
| 06:31.42 | levi_home | Supaplex: It's being 'fixed' by building layers on top of it that are complete enough that they could exist fine without it. |
| 06:32.06 | levi_home | Supaplex: And its core features are being replaced by extension modules. |
| 06:32.34 | maquis | Sargun: evilwm |
| 06:32.41 | Sargun | Does Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess support 2 players? |
| 06:33.35 | Supaplex | yea true |
| 06:33.48 | maquis | hmmm... broken as designed... that was the root-cause for a ticket i resolved this week... |
| 06:34.30 | elg | see? you have experience fixing broken by design stuff. go fix X ! :) |
| 06:35.10 | elg | maquis: really, just install the gnome and kde libs. I know you're on gentoo, but it can't be that bad. and you can't be that short on disk space. not even I am that short on disk space |
| 06:35.22 | levi_home | X is now basically a compatibility layer that gnome and kde run on top of. Both can run just fine without it. |
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| 06:35.40 | elg | maquis: really, just install the gnome and kde libs. I know you're on gentoo, but it can't be that bad. and you can't be that short on disk space. not even I am that short on disk space |
| 06:35.41 | maquis | *GRRRR* |
| 06:36.00 | maquis | elg: i'm not on gentoo... i'm on ubuntu... and it's not an issue of the libs |
| 06:36.07 | maquis | if it was just the libraries, i wouldn't be complaining this much |
| 06:36.26 | maquis | from what i can see, it's not going to work unless i actually *run* gnome or kde as my desktop |
| 06:36.41 | levi_home | Just give in and run gnome or kde. Adjust to it, and then life will be much easier. |
| 06:36.46 | maquis | i'm trying to find another option, but scim appears to require gnome/kde |
| 06:40.28 | levi_home | What does scim do? |
| 06:40.32 | spr | maquis, seems odd that you'd have to run gnome/kde. I haven't found many of their apps that can't be run directly |
| 06:40.57 | spr | I have gnome installed and kde-libs because of that |
| 06:41.19 | levi_home | spr: I think the problem is that she doesn't want to use gnome/kde apps, yet scim only functions with them. |
| 06:41.43 | spr | ah, maquis look at gcin |
| 06:43.49 | levi_home | Even that only works with gtk2 apps. |
| 06:44.03 | levi_home | scim seems to plug in at the same level. |
| 06:44.35 | vontrapp | a list is just a special case of a tree with none of the items having children |
| 06:44.56 | levi_home | vontrapp: In what sense? |
| 06:45.01 | vontrapp | a list exists only for simplicity (no catering to children if you don't need it) and because it can be streamlined |
| 06:45.17 | vontrapp | that's a paraphrase from gtk::treestore |
| 06:45.49 | spr | figures, gtk stuff can be weird |
| 06:46.05 | vontrapp | it just seems like it's saying "really you should be happy with the tree, but i guess if you want some efficiency for the non-tree case, i guess you can have a list, if you really insist" |
| 06:46.36 | elg | good ol' gtk. the best toolkit around for pounding square pegs into round holes |
| 06:47.07 | vontrapp | which just results in larger round holse |
| 06:47.08 | levi_home | GUI programming just sucks. |
| 06:47.11 | spr | I enjoy gtk-perls addition of a simple list class. No fiddling with the tree class |
| 06:47.12 | vontrapp | (or smaller square pegs) |
| 06:47.29 | elg | I've been doing some qt4 over the past couple of weeks. very nice |
| 06:47.39 | spr | That's what I keep hearing |
| 06:47.44 | elg | qt3 was good but quirky. qt4 is approaching sanity |
| 06:48.00 | elg | finally a gui toolkit I can buy into |
| 06:48.07 | vontrapp | maybe i'll try qt4 |
| 06:48.13 | elg | better (but still not perfect) os x support too |
| 06:48.17 | vontrapp | elg: don't you always complain about putting qt on mac? |
| 06:48.26 | elg | qt3 was harder. qt4 was easy |
| 06:48.36 | vontrapp | hmmm |
| 06:49.03 | elg | qt4-qtruby was a bit of a trick, but I figured it out. want to make a package sometime when I have time |
| 06:49.49 | elg | well, I have shaded grey mountains |
| 06:49.52 | elg | so I should go to bed |
| 06:51.25 | vontrapp | ack! biggest upgrade in history!! |
| 06:52.48 | elg | porting from qt3 to qt4 is nontrivial |
| 06:53.12 | elg | primarily in satisfying ways though. like a real model/view architecture for trees and tables |
| 06:53.20 | levi_home | I'd be interested in hearing what makes qt4 better than qt3 sometime. |
| 06:53.35 | elg | i'm going to blog about it sooner or later |
| 06:53.39 | elg | remind me if i forget |
| 06:53.47 | levi_home | OK |
| 06:53.52 | levi_home | As long as I don't forget. :) |
| 06:55.22 | maquis | spr: have you had any luck with chinese input without gnome/kde? |
| 06:55.36 | maquis | spr: i'll look into gcin |
| 06:55.41 | levi_home | maquis: What applications do you want chinese input in? |
| 06:55.48 | vontrapp | i've had luck with cambodian input |
| 06:55.52 | elg | vontrapp: didn't you have some fancy input thing? |
| 06:55.56 | maquis | levi_home: primarily firefox, gaim, etc. |
| 06:56.01 | spr | maquis: afraid not. I just notice gcin in my apt search. All my unicode input happens in vim or OS X |
| 06:56.13 | maquis | currently i'm getting it in nothing |
| 06:56.14 | vontrapp | but cambodian, as many letters as it has, is still much simpler than chinese |
| 06:56.23 | \me_ | offtopic question: anyone by chance have a Windows Vista beta 2 key they have spare licenses left on by chance? I want to try it out. |
| 06:56.25 | maquis | although, i did make a toolbar show up at the top of my window with another app |
| 06:56.38 | maquis | unfortuantely, that app's config file is entirely in chinese |
| 06:56.53 | maquis | which makes it difficult to edit without a working chinese input system :) |
| 06:57.46 | levi_home | Well, scim looks like it should be able to be made to work with gtk2 apps. |
| 06:57.52 | levi_home | As does gcin. |
| 06:58.00 | elg | hint, ilke gvim |
| 06:59.15 | levi_home | emacs can be made to edit in chinese, too. |
| 06:59.58 | maquis | hmmm.. |
| 07:00.09 | maquis | i need to dig some more, i guess |
| 07:00.26 | levi_home | http://www.chinesecomputing.com/editor/emacs.html |
| 07:00.34 | \me | funny - /join #vista on freenode takes you to #openbsd |
| 07:00.52 | vontrapp | what about that gnome terminal thing that can do key combos |
| 07:01.03 | vontrapp | it would take a lot of configuration.... |
| 07:01.40 | levi_home | If you try emacs, you'll want the mule version, I think. |
| 07:01.53 | vontrapp | "I was all out of luck, like a duck, like a duck that died." |
| 07:05.46 | levi_home | I have lost the motivation to work on this program any more tonight. Time to sleep. |
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| 11:51.30 | Sargun | Anyone awake? |
| 12:53.13 | glitch- | how to specify a specific speed to a particular connection?If i am downloading something from my 100 mbit ftp server.how should i boost the speed.so it gives me maximum kb/s |
| 12:53.32 | Sargun | Someone poked? |
| 12:53.43 | Sargun | glitch-, Uh, get a faster connection? |
| 12:55.23 | glitch- | Sargun:i am talking about from the server side.is there anyway you speicify speed to connections?for particualar connection |
| 12:55.46 | Sargun | You want to limit speed? |
| 12:55.48 | Sargun | or...? |
| 12:56.26 | glitch- | yeah limit speed. |
| 12:57.25 | glitch- | like if i speicify 50KB/s for a connection. |
| 12:59.02 | Sargun | Oh |
| 12:59.05 | Sargun | What FTP server? |
| 12:59.16 | Sargun | There are a couple different ways |
| 13:00.20 | glitch- | shellhosting.co.uk |
| 13:00.46 | glitch- | Sure |
| 13:01.01 | glitch- | I would be pleased to know. |
| 13:06.54 | glitch- | i heard about some rule in ipfw "shape" not sure about it though. |
| 13:07.24 | Sargun | Yeah |
| 13:07.28 | Sargun | Do you have root access? |
| 13:07.47 | glitch- | Yup |
| 13:07.52 | glitch- | Yeah.Do you have root access? |
| 13:07.53 | glitch- | > Yup |
| 13:07.57 | glitch- | What do you mean? |
| 13:08.00 | glitch- | Of course i do |
| 13:08.20 | Sargun | um, what FTP Daemon? |
| 13:09.58 | glitch- | i think its ftpd |
| 13:12.40 | glitch- | Yeah so its ftpd |
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| 15:24.26 | goozbach | vontrapp: what is that garbage that is your onjoin? |
| 15:24.45 | goozbach | we've tried running it through various translators to no advail |
| 15:27.18 | elg | can anyone get to lilypond.org? |
| 15:32.51 | goozbach | yup |
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| 17:24.01 | vontrapp | goozbach: who knows, i didn't set it |
| 17:24.15 | vontrapp | but i did set one for someone |
| 17:24.17 | vontrapp | who was it |
| 17:24.19 | vontrapp | ? |
| 17:24.26 | vontrapp | they were learning dvorak |
| 17:25.04 | vontrapp | Dr, co yd. ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
| 17:25.21 | vontrapp | mine is probably something similar |
| 17:25.49 | vontrapp | "How is the dvorak coming" written on a dvorak keyboard but using qwerty |
| 17:26.14 | vontrapp | if i knew dvorak better i could decipher it |
| 17:26.37 | vontrapp | ~onjoin vontrapp |
| 17:26.37 | ibot | onjoin for vontrapp set by atoponce on Fri Dec 1 16:06:01 2006: yd. Ekrpat co lprxaxnf jrmcbi anrbi bcj.nfv |
| 17:26.56 | Sargun | :-P |
| 17:31.46 | vontrapp | the Dvorak is probably coming along nicely. |
| 17:31.54 | vontrapp | that's what it means |
| 17:33.22 | vontrapp | elg: i get lilypond.org just fine |
| 17:36.56 | Sargun | I should have a certificate in firefox crashing |
| 17:37.35 | Sargun | I crashed a gecko based photo viewer |
| 17:42.35 | mheath[laptop] | My last week of freedom.... |
| 17:42.48 | mheath[laptop] | After this week, I am propety of the USN for he next 6 years of my life :-P |
| 17:43.17 | Sargun | Heh |
| 17:43.21 | Sargun | G'luck. |
| 17:46.25 | mheath[laptop] | But |
| 17:46.28 | mheath[laptop] | After 6 years |
| 17:46.51 | mheath[laptop] | I will be 23 years old. I will have two college degrees, one in nuclear physics and one in electronic engineering. I will be making $80,000-$100,000 a year. |
| 17:47.18 | Sargun | What will your day job be in 6 years, and two weeks? |
| 17:47.37 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, to make that kind of money, working at a DoE nuclear reactor. |
| 17:47.59 | mheath[laptop] | Though statistically people trained by the USN in this job are really employable in a wide number of job categories |
| 17:48.08 | Sargun | So, your day job will involve shutting up in #utah? |
| 17:49.06 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, you don't even live in Utah, nor belong in #utah. You're not one to talk. |
| 17:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Says the guy from California |
| 17:49.36 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], No, because on a day-to-day basis, you'll be working with classified government materials |
| 17:49.41 | Sargun | hence the shutting up. |
| 17:49.52 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, Uh, no. |
| 17:50.04 | Sargun | Nevermind then. |
| 17:50.05 | mheath[laptop] | I can't come in here and start giving to specifications for the electronics I'm working on |
| 17:50.15 | mheath[laptop] | But thats the end of the limitations, really. |
| 17:50.24 | mheath[laptop] | *start giving you specifications |
| 17:50.27 | Sargun | Like the people who work at the labs, they can't speak in any detail about their projects |
| 17:50.34 | Sargun | they can give the general field, etc. |
| 17:50.42 | Sargun | but they cannot say the usage |
| 17:50.43 | Sargun | etc. |
| 17:51.23 | mheath[laptop] | Uh, this is a job for the US Military, not some bizarre cult or obsessively protective company. |
| 17:51.43 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], I thought Sandia Labs/LLNL was a DoE run facility. |
| 17:51.59 | mheath[laptop] | Despite what conspiracy theorists tell you, the military only classifies stuff that needs to be classified for security or safety reasons |
| 17:52.31 | Sargun | Well, I'm talking about people at a local lab... |
| 17:53.01 | Sargun | A lab thats the capital of some of America's nuclear research programs |
| 17:53.07 | Sargun | (to my knowledge) |
| 17:53.40 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, I am going into the Nuclear _propulsion_ field |
| 17:53.47 | mheath[laptop] | Not the Nuclear _weapons_ field |
| 17:53.57 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 17:54.03 | Sargun | Heh, small different there :-P |
| 17:54.12 | mheath[laptop] | IE, I work with electronics that control a reactor which heats up water and uses steam to power a turbine which provides energy for an aircraft carrier. |
| 17:54.27 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 17:54.48 | Sargun | Make #utah room temperature fusion |
| 17:54.51 | Sargun | reactor |
| 17:54.55 | Sargun | <end sarcasm> |
| 17:55.01 | mheath[laptop] | In the civilian world, I will be a nuclear powerplant operator (think Homer Simpson), not a Nuclear weapons designer. |
| 17:56.10 | Sargun | I was thinking more of a nuclear reactor designer. |
| 17:57.22 | Sargun | Less Homer Simpson, more Albert Einstein |
| 17:58.06 | findlay | ~whalenuke mheath[laptop] |
| 17:58.07 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mheath[laptop] with his mind powers |
| 17:59.00 | mheath[laptop] | hah |
| 18:02.43 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], So, where is our government sending you next week? |
| 18:02.59 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, USN RTC |
| 18:03.21 | mheath[laptop] | 2 months there, then to NPS |
| 18:03.23 | Sargun | So, you will have combat training also. |
| 18:03.37 | mheath[laptop] | what? |
| 18:03.48 | mheath[laptop] | RTC = Recruit Training Command. Boot Camp. |
| 18:03.52 | mheath[laptop] | NPS = Nuclear Power School |
| 18:03.52 | Sargun | Will you have combat training at USNRTC |
| 18:03.57 | Sargun | oh |
| 18:04.13 | Sargun | boot camp = another two weeks of hell? |
| 18:04.16 | Sargun | er |
| 18:04.19 | Sargun | longer than two weeks |
| 18:04.28 | Sargun | however long they treat you like crap. |
| 18:06.21 | Sargun | At NPS will you be seeing us? |
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| 21:50.58 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 23:32.38 | findlay | ~lart perlmagick |
| 23:37.24 | maquis | ~lart scin/xcin/gcin/chinput/fcitx/leafpad |
| 23:37.49 | maquis | -lart scin/xcin/gcin/chinput/fcitx/leafpad |
| 23:39.53 | \me | anyone here by chance get on the Vista RC2 bandwagon? (I realize this is a Linux channel) |
| 23:40.07 | \me | and no, I'm not converting - just curious, is all |