| 00:00.16 | maquis | i don't really see the difference, but i'm guessing one of those was a l instead of a 1 |
| 00:00.28 | atoponce | you got it |
| 00:00.33 | tensai | ~lart fonts that don't clearly show L and 1 as different |
| 00:00.38 | maquis | atoponce: you're somewhat pronouncable rot123456789'd |
| 00:00.57 | atoponce | ~rot123456789 maquis |
| 00:00.57 | ibot | nbrvjt |
| 00:01.00 | JoshH_ | about as pronouncable as he is as ataponce |
| 00:01.06 | maquis | ~123456789 % 26 |
| 00:01.15 | Sargun | When argon is exposed to radiation it lightens up, right? |
| 00:01.15 | JoshH_ | err atoponce |
| 00:01.16 | Phishy | hahahaha |
| 00:01.28 | maquis | ~123456789 mod 26 |
| 00:01.31 | Voyavoda | i dunno about radiation but i know electricity, yes |
| 00:01.49 | Sargun | Voyavoda, Yeah, I know about the electricity. |
| 00:01.51 | Phishy | This chick sent me an email saying "Rape me today, rape me tomorrow, rape me for all the things I didn't do, for you...." |
| 00:02.00 | atoponce | JoshH_: uh top once |
| 00:02.00 | Voyavoda | maybe she likes you? |
| 00:02.16 | Sargun | Where did #utah find Phishy ? |
| 00:02.20 | Phishy | Maybe she's crazy and I wouldn't rape her if we were stuck on a desert island. |
| 00:02.41 | Voyavoda | would you at least feel her up? |
| 00:02.43 | Phishy | In Utah Lake? |
| 00:02.47 | Phishy | Nope |
| 00:02.52 | JoshH_ | ah, that makes sense3 |
| 00:02.57 | Phishy | Chicks who say stuff like that need to be killed/ |
| 00:03.14 | Voyavoda | killed? |
| 00:03.20 | JoshH_ | if you were stuck on a desert island she would probably be raping you |
| 00:03.23 | Voyavoda | maybe she needs to be therapized |
| 00:03.26 | Voyavoda | medicated? |
| 00:03.36 | atoponce | JoshH_: actually, it's aaron toponce, but it's all the same. i was atop the world once... :) |
| 00:03.39 | Sargun | I thought that either Xeon, Krypton, Neon, or Argon would emit light if excited by radiation. |
| 00:03.47 | Phishy | Well, if she's like that she'll prolly do a bunch of guys, get AIDS, and die anyways, I just want to help her before she reaches that end. |
| 00:03.49 | JoshH_ | ahh, i thought you meant something else.... |
| 00:03.53 | Sargun | maquis, Feel free to use +mz |
| 00:04.04 | JoshH_ | a top once |
| 00:04.06 | maquis | Sargun: not any of the noble gasses, iirc |
| 00:04.23 | maquis | Sargun: out of curiosity what's the z do? |
| 00:04.35 | JoshH_ | and a bottom the rest of the time :P |
| 00:04.38 | Sargun | Ops can see what people are saying. |
| 00:04.48 | maquis | Sargun: ok... |
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| 00:06.24 | Sargun | even if the channel is +z or a user is +q |
| 00:07.38 | Sargun | Whats the glow in the dark stuff? |
| 00:08.03 | Voyavoda | maquis may i pm you? i have a question which is only obliquely related to the channel |
| 00:08.10 | bonez39 | Sargun, do you or nick do much web development? |
| 00:08.11 | maquis | Voyavoda: yes |
| 00:08.12 | atoponce | ok, phoenetically, type the pronunciation of 'toponce'. how would you say it |
| 00:08.14 | atoponce | ? |
| 00:08.23 | JoshH_ | now we all have to see it Voyavoda |
| 00:08.48 | bonez39 | or anyone... how does one code a site...the structure...so that the right keywords will be picked up, to help it get ranked faster up the list? |
| 00:08.49 | tensai | atoponce: "feed the birds, toponce a bag..." |
| 00:08.53 | JoshH_ | With +z set, quieted/banned/moderated users' comments still appear to channel operators. This can be helpful during seminars and special functions. |
| 00:09.09 | atoponce | tensai: close. better than most |
| 00:09.14 | Sargun | bonez39, I bit, why. |
| 00:09.31 | Sargun | bonez39, A bit, why. |
| 00:09.45 | JoshH_ | i would say to-ponce, like ponce de leon |
| 00:09.51 | Sargun | Oh, nevermind |
| 00:09.54 | macnewbold | bonez39: generally the same things you do to make your site good for users are the things you'd do to make it good for a search engine - use header, paragraph, bold, etc. tags where appropriate |
| 00:10.05 | macnewbold | make sure to add alt="text here" on any images, as appropriate |
| 00:10.11 | Sargun | Use header tags |
| 00:10.17 | Sargun | put keywords in the titles |
| 00:10.21 | macnewbold | use a <title> tag |
| 00:10.30 | Sargun | Get hundreds of links to your site |
| 00:10.30 | macnewbold | www.highrankings.com |
| 00:10.31 | atoponce | most say "toe pants". then, when they spell it, they spell it "topance". now tell me the phoenetic rule that makes an 'o' or an 'a' sounds like the a in 'pants' |
| 00:10.37 | Sargun | Dmoz.org it |
| 00:10.48 | atoponce | in the english rule that it |
| 00:10.53 | atoponce | s/it/is/ |
| 00:11.01 | macnewbold | careful about the links - some links (i.e. ones you pay for, or otherwise from junk sites) aren't worth much, and can tie you into "bad neighborhoods" |
| 00:11.18 | atoponce | not that it bothers me, i'm used to it, but that rule doesn't exist |
| 00:11.44 | JoshH_ | atoponce: it's like the people who call evanston "evingston", hurricane "hurrikuhn", or creek "crick". some people are just stupid. |
| 00:12.29 | JoshH_ | and of course, nuclear as "nucular" |
| 00:12.52 | JoshH_ | i |
| 00:13.03 | JoshH_ | i've never seen or heard of the last name toponce before though |
| 00:13.07 | Voyavoda | heeey, "crick" is a regionalism. i don't think it makes people stupid to say it. |
| 00:13.34 | Sargun | If I take a Phosphur, expose it to a radioactive isotope, it will glow, right? |
| 00:13.54 | maquis | the one mispronunciation that makes me mad is "nukular" |
| 00:14.03 | elg_ | Voyavoda: like nucular? |
| 00:14.04 | JoshH_ | i guess not, if they know it's creek but but say crick anyway just because they are used to it |
| 00:14.22 | Sargun | (sorry for my non-nuclear science/chemistry enlightened mind) |
| 00:14.24 | JoshH_ | but people from hurricane have sworn up and down to me that hurrikuhn is the correct way to say it |
| 00:14.27 | maquis | Sargun: i have intentionally forgotten most of my chemistry class information |
| 00:14.28 | JoshH_ | and it makes me feel bad for them |
| 00:14.29 | maquis | sorry |
| 00:15.56 | Sargun | maquis, Heh. I'm trying to make a home made version of this: http://www.glowrings.com/ |
| 00:17.40 | maquis | Sargun: if you want a cheap (but not home-made) version, you should be able to find a cheap version at a scuba-diving store... |
| 00:17.47 | elg_ | JoshH_: isn't it? |
| 00:18.59 | elg_ | a proper noun can have whatever pronunciation it's owner's say it does |
| 00:19.17 | JoshH_ | even if they didn't make up the noun? |
| 00:19.46 | JoshH_ | if it's named after a hurricane, shouldn't it be pronounced hurricane? |
| 00:20.17 | elg_ | what hurricane is it named after? |
| 00:20.57 | JoshH_ | no particular one, afaik |
| 00:22.04 | elg_ | i've never heard a utahn say hurrikuhn when referring to a hurricane, only the place |
| 00:22.16 | Phishy | down in hurrican? |
| 00:23.00 | JoshH_ | that makes it even weirder |
| 00:23.15 | Sargun | maquis, Thanks, but it'd be fun to experiment with radioactive isotopes |
| 00:23.24 | elg_ | no, that makes it a proper noun |
| 00:23.37 | maquis | Sargun: ok... have fun, then... |
| 00:23.38 | goozbach | hurricun |
| 00:23.53 | elg_ | the history would be interesting to look at |
| 00:24.00 | JoshH_ | http://hurricaneutah.org/ just says it's pronounced that way by the locals |
| 00:24.02 | maquis | and if you want to understand how it works, try to find a simple chem book at the library |
| 00:24.14 | JoshH_ | which to me means that the locals just say it wrong |
| 00:24.25 | goozbach | as long as I've lived in southern utah it's been pronounced that way |
| 00:25.10 | elg_ | if I go around telling people that your name is pronounced Joe-sh |
| 00:25.13 | maquis | Sargun: last i checked, though, these things glowed because of the combination of 2 different chemical solutions... at least that's how the diving ones work... that might get you a start in the right direction |
| 00:25.26 | elg_ | and that you are mispronouncing your own name |
| 00:25.26 | elg_ | that would be silly |
| 00:25.29 | goozbach | now compare that to the pronunciation of the word "milk" in the next town over from whree I used to live |
| 00:25.40 | maquis | mulk? |
| 00:25.44 | elg_ | melk |
| 00:25.46 | goozbach | malk |
| 00:26.02 | Sargun | maquis, The diving ones I thought were chemical based |
| 00:26.03 | goozbach | creek is another one |
| 00:26.04 | bonez39 | macnewbold, Sargun thanks for the suggestions |
| 00:26.09 | maquis | m[aeiou]lk |
| 00:26.10 | goozbach | krik |
| 00:26.13 | JoshH_ | if my name is spelled joshua, but i pronounce it joeshua, most people would think i was saying it wrong |
| 00:26.17 | maquis | Sargun: yes... they're chemical based |
| 00:26.19 | maquis | that's correct |
| 00:26.25 | Sargun | Er |
| 00:26.29 | elg_ | maybe hurricane came to be pronounced that way by a crazy accent back in the day, but now that's just how it is |
| 00:26.33 | Sargun | Thermoreactive |
| 00:26.48 | elg_ | JoshH_: in which case you'd be unhappy with your parents for not spelling your name phonetically |
| 00:26.48 | Sargun | Like one time (12 hours) use. |
| 00:26.53 | elg_ | but you'd still be joeshua |
| 00:26.57 | maquis | yes... they are single-use |
| 00:27.00 | JoshH_ | well ya, it became that way due to the accent |
| 00:27.07 | elg_ | and it would be you who was right, not the people who say you pronounce it wrong |
| 00:27.08 | maquis | if these are different, then you can ignroe what i've said |
| 00:27.14 | JoshH_ | but just because people with that accent say it that way, doesn't mean that way is correct |
| 00:27.14 | maquis | i didn't read through the whole thing |
| 00:27.43 | JoshH_ | that's like saying crick is correct because people have said it that way for so long |
| 00:27.48 | elg_ | JoshH_: if the town calls itself hurricuhn, the town is hurricuhn |
| 00:28.02 | elg_ | if someone calls it hurricahn katrina, then they're wrong |
| 00:28.30 | elg_ | just like crick |
| 00:28.43 | elg_ | if everyone in american fork pronounced it fark, then it might be american fark |
| 00:29.05 | Sargun | maquis, Do you SCUBA dive? |
| 00:29.06 | Voyavoda | "hurrican" is another regional pronunciation. have you forgotten that regions of the us were populated by various different nationalities with their own pronunciations that have affected the local dialect? |
| 00:30.46 | elg_ | if hurrican city hall or utah state gov puts out a declaration that hurricane is to be pronounced like the weather phenomenon, then I'll agree they're pronouncing it wrong |
| 00:30.47 | JoshH_ | there is no difference between saying hurrikuhn because you have a funny accent, and saying crick because you have a funny accent. the town is called hurricane, and hurricane is technically the proper pronunciation. the fact that people there call it hurrikuhn doesn't make that correct. |
| 00:31.30 | elg_ | southern utahn says hurrican katrina, is wrong. says hurrican Utah, is right |
| 00:31.46 | Voyavoda | then how about the city of versailles in the midwest? they pronounce it "ver-sails." is that also wrong? |
| 00:32.02 | elg_ | what about moscow, idaho? |
| 00:32.23 | bonez39 | my father's from Kanab..and he says >> ya eat Carn...with a Fark..and you are Barn in the Barn.....etc... |
| 00:32.30 | JoshH_ | hmmm |
| 00:32.46 | elg_ | what about America? |
| 00:32.54 | elg_ | America comes from a guy named Amerigo |
| 00:33.00 | elg_ | said with a spanish pronunciation |
| 00:33.07 | bonez39 | vespuchi......amerigo, right? |
| 00:33.10 | bonez39 | close? |
| 00:33.18 | Voyavoda | vespucci i think(?) |
| 00:33.52 | JoshH_ | in that case, it's pronounced ver-sails because the people thought it was easier to say, or sounded better, or whatever. i think that's fine. that's not the same as pronouncing something differently just because of a rural utah accent. |
| 00:34.06 | elg_ | it's exactly the same |
| 00:34.15 | Voyavoda | you're splitting extremely fine hairs |
| 00:34.15 | elg_ | lazy american accent is no different from rural utahn accent |
| 00:34.19 | JoshH_ | and then saying the way you say it with your accent is technically correct |
| 00:35.20 | elg_ | that's exactly what you just argued for with versailles |
| 00:35.53 | elg_ | the only difference might be that you said it was conscious. every hurricanean I've talked to is very conscious about the different pronunciation |
| 00:35.58 | JoshH_ | they need to acknowledge that they say it incorrectly, but it's fine anyway because that's their accent. my only issue is with the idea that because your accent makes you say it one way, that one way is correct. |
| 00:36.03 | JoshH_ | to me that's no different than saying crick |
| 00:36.30 | JoshH_ | and believing that crick is correct |
| 00:36.37 | Voyavoda | it's time to whip out the newspeak and solve all of these problems once and for all |
| 00:36.43 | Voyavoda | it will be doubleplusgood |
| 00:36.49 | elg_ | we're not talking about people that think crick is correct. we're talking about the accepted pronunciation of a proper noun |
| 00:37.23 | JoshH_ | but there is a difference between accepted and correct |
| 00:37.42 | elg_ | my name is Hans. I've had all kinds of people tell me I pronounce my name wrong, that I should say it like "hands" because that's how the germans do it |
| 00:38.01 | elg_ | but every german I've talked to (including some named hans) sound more like the way I say it than the way these people tell me the germans say it |
| 00:38.15 | elg_ | but _my_ name is pronunced the way I and my family pronounce it. no other way |
| 00:38.43 | elg_ | if I pronounced it Hanes, then that would be the right pronunciation for my name |
| 00:38.58 | bonez39 | elg_, hans...the germans would say....Hawwwwwnnnnnnttttzzzz...... |
| 00:39.00 | JoshH_ | do you think when americans call iraq i-rack instead of e-rock, they are using an accepted pronunciation, or the correct one? |
| 00:39.14 | JoshH_ | or is there no difference? |
| 00:39.19 | bonez39 | I say e-rock.....but I know most say eye-rack |
| 00:39.20 | elg_ | with a proper noun, there is no difference between what the noun itself says is "accepted" and what is correct |
| 00:39.36 | maquis | iraq is correctly pronounced more often than iran, from what i've seen |
| 00:39.42 | elg_ | JoshH_: the correct pronunciation is the one the iraqis use |
| 00:40.02 | maquis | and "iranian" just doesn't work... |
| 00:40.06 | JoshH_ | to me, i-rack and e-rock are both correct, because neither is a standard noun, but hurricane is a noun that is pronounced hurricane. if someone names a town hurricane, they should say it hurricane. |
| 00:40.16 | bonez39 | the one I have trouble with ..is a name like Stein, or Klein...the german rule is that with ei or ie..the second vowel gets it..i.e., stein is St iiii nnnn, not St eeee nnnn |
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| 00:40.54 | elg_ | JoshH_: they can say it however they like |
| 00:40.55 | JoshH_ | and if they say it hurrican instead, they should admit that they are saying it wrong, rather than claiming that they are saying it right just because that's how they say it. |
| 00:41.12 | Voyavoda | well josh, the only solution to this is to write the people in the town and let them know |
| 00:41.24 | Voyavoda | maybe put up a billboard with the proper pronunciation |
| 00:41.40 | elg_ | it's their town |
| 00:41.44 | JoshH_ | heh, i'm not actually as passionate about this issue as i seem in here. :P |
| 00:41.47 | elg_ | when you're governor of utah you can change it |
| 00:42.12 | maquis | boy it's nice living in a state where things are named in a much more straightforward fashion |
| 00:42.18 | elg_ | or maybe you can get to be the mayor of the town, but you'll probably have to campaign in hurrican to get to be mayor. :) |
| 00:42.52 | maquis | the people living in puyallup can complain when people mispronounce their city's name, and nobody can say that there's a reason why it should be pronounced the other way |
| 00:42.57 | JoshH_ | basically all i'm getting at is that hurrican is the way people with a certain accent say it, not technically the right way to say it. |
| 00:43.01 | Voyavoda | here we actively correct people in pronouncing the name of our state |
| 00:43.04 | maquis | (well, i suppose they could appeal to the rules of phonics, but that's cheating) |
| 00:43.15 | maquis | Voyavoda: in california? |
| 00:43.25 | Voyavoda | we even have a license plate. not ne-vah-dah |
| 00:43.28 | Voyavoda | nv |
| 00:43.35 | maquis | ah |
| 00:43.38 | Voyavoda | we get people from out of state who say it wrong |
| 00:43.48 | Voyavoda | short a! |
| 00:43.52 | maquis | :) |
| 00:43.56 | elg_ | Voyavoda: an excellent example. nevada should be pronounced Nay-vah-dah |
| 00:44.00 | elg_ | because it's a spanish word |
| 00:44.00 | JoshH_ | i used to know a guy whose middle name was nevada |
| 00:44.04 | JoshH_ | and he said it with a short a |
| 00:44.10 | Voyavoda | true, elg |
| 00:44.17 | elg_ | but JoshH_ pronounces it like every other american probably :) |
| 00:44.30 | Voyavoda | we have a license plate, however, that illustrates the proper pronunciation |
| 00:44.35 | elg_ | exactly |
| 00:44.37 | elg_ | it's your state |
| 00:44.41 | elg_ | not mexico's |
| 00:44.41 | maquis | sequim is another fun city-name.... |
| 00:44.54 | JoshH_ | i say nevada, not nevahda |
| 00:44.56 | maquis | hint: it's 1 syllable |
| 00:45.07 | Voyavoda | squim? |
| 00:45.09 | elg_ | JoshH_: exactly. that's the wrong pronunciation according to the spanish rulebug |
| 00:45.12 | maquis | Voyavoda: correct |
| 00:45.13 | elg_ | er, rulebook |
| 00:45.24 | JoshH_ | but technically if you want to talk about spanish names, people say los angeles and stuff wrong too |
| 00:45.31 | elg_ | yes |
| 00:45.36 | JoshH_ | that's like versailles |
| 00:45.40 | JoshH_ | but hurricane |
| 00:45.43 | maquis | JoshH_: my favorite was someone completely destroying "la jolla" |
| 00:45.44 | elg_ | so do you call it las anhaylays? |
| 00:46.01 | JoshH_ | that's an english noun with a definite meaning and a definite correct pronunciation |
| 00:46.18 | elg_ | and los angeles is two spanish words with very definite meaning and pronunciation. |
| 00:46.26 | Voyavoda | so it's really only okay to correct it as long as the word is foreign? |
| 00:47.09 | elg_ | do the foreigners that murder "McDonalds" get it right because it's a foreign word to them? |
| 00:47.11 | Voyavoda | as long as we do not sully the american english pronunciations? |
| 00:47.20 | JoshH_ | i think a valid argument could be made that there is a difference with "foreign" words |
| 00:47.32 | Voyavoda | so it's nationalism then? |
| 00:47.38 | JoshH_ | heh, i don't know |
| 00:47.50 | JoshH_ | hurrican has just always been one of those things that slightly annoys me |
| 00:48.18 | JoshH_ | anyway, it's been fun, but i'm going home |
| 00:48.34 | Voyavoda | take care |
| 00:48.38 | maquis | los angeles is at least a common pronunciation... |
| 00:48.50 | elg_ | just like hurrican |
| 00:49.06 | maquis | it took my mom and i about 10 minutes to figure out where someone was talking about when they said they were going to "la jolla, california" |
| 00:49.22 | maquis | my mom grew up there |
| 00:49.26 | Voyavoda | how to they pronounce it? |
| 00:50.02 | maquis | Voyavoda: i have always heard "la hoya" except for this one person that was pronouncing it using an american pronunciation |
| 00:50.33 | Voyavoda | mm |
| 00:51.05 | elg_ | well it's hard to slip from la hoya to la jolla |
| 00:51.17 | elg_ | it's easy to slip from los angeles spanish to los angeles english |
| 00:51.30 | elg_ | la jollans probably don't pronounce it perfectly spanishly |
| 00:51.40 | elg_ | but that y doesn't change to an l spontaneously |
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| 00:54.35 | Sargun | Someone said California? |
| 00:55.24 | elg_ | mah-kwiss did |
| 00:55.32 | Voyavoda | lmao! |
| 00:56.37 | findlay | hello |
| 00:56.55 | Phishy | Hello findlay |
| 00:57.00 | Voyavoda | howdy |
| 00:57.10 | Phishy | Welcome to the 9th Circle of Hell. |
| 00:57.33 | Voyavoda | are there compimentary chocolates? |
| 00:57.38 | Voyavoda | *complimentary |
| 00:58.14 | Phishy | Yes, i'll show you to the Hasselhoff suite. |
| 00:58.18 | *** topic/#utah by findlay -> Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | findlay's intarwebs now worketh |
| 00:58.36 | Voyavoda | oooo the hasselhoff suite? it's my lucky day! |
| 00:58.43 | findlay | haha |
| 00:59.58 | Phishy | And later you and spongebob will Ride the Hasselhoff. |
| 00:59.59 | Phishy | for eternity |
| 00:59.59 | Voyavoda | can we have the knight rider music in the background? |
| 00:59.59 | Phishy | Sorry, it's Tori Amos. |
| 01:00.09 | Voyavoda | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo |
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| 01:15.42 | glitch- | Whats up Utah |
| 01:17.26 | findlay | ~up |
| 01:17.28 | ibot | it has been said that up is the opposite of down |
| 01:18.03 | findlay | ibot_: what has it been said about down? |
| 01:18.28 | findlay | ~down |
| 01:18.29 | ibot | methinks down is hell, or the enemy's gate |
| 01:18.33 | glitch- | Lol Justin |
| 01:18.36 | findlay | whatever |
| 01:18.46 | glitch- | ~middle |
| 01:18.58 | glitch- | ~vertical |
| 01:20.41 | findlay | ~right |
| 01:20.42 | ibot | blah blah blah/spam spam spam/yaddayaddayaddayadda sis boom bam |
| 01:20.50 | findlay | ~wrong |
| 01:20.51 | ibot | i heard wrong is http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/top10/wrong.html |
| 01:21.02 | findlay | ~whatever |
| 01:21.05 | ibot | somebody said whatever was an expression of confusionambivalence, or something else |
| 01:22.23 | glitch- | Justin you ownd that bot? |
| 01:23.38 | findlay | ~ibot |
| 01:23.39 | ibot | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 01:26.11 | synic | glitch-: brandon? |
| 01:26.36 | glitch- | Yeah |
| 01:26.40 | glitch- | Whats up |
| 01:26.46 | synic | nothing, just checking :) |
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| 01:36.27 | glitch- | Hi spig |
| 01:36.33 | synic | glitch-: heh, I don't know of us utahs have enough channels to hang out in yet. |
| 01:36.52 | glitch- | Lol |
| 01:45.52 | findlay | probably not |
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| 01:52.08 | graphyx | \me is attempting ho learn dvorak. |
| 01:53.24 | graphyx | ~onjoin graphyx How is the Dvorak coming? |
| 01:53.24 | ibot | graphyx: ok |
| 01:59.48 | emcnabb | ~onjoin graphyx How is the Dvorak coming? Have you given up yet? |
| 01:59.48 | ibot | emcnabb: ok |
| 02:01.24 | graphyx | emcnabb: thanks for the encouragement. |
| 02:02.00 | nick125 | haha |
| 02:02.21 | emcnabb | graphyx: any time! |
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| 02:10.42 | vontrapp | ~onjoin graphyx Dr, co yd. Ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
| 02:10.42 | ibot | vontrapp: ok |
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| 02:57.42 | Tene | looking for a tiny, simple ircd. any suggestions? |
| 03:00.45 | nick125 | ratbox or bahamut should work |
| 03:00.58 | nick125 | anyone here know how to demultiplex mpeg streams in linux? |
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| 03:04.39 | Tene | hmm... tclircd... |
| 03:04.45 | Tene | [tene@kupo tclircd-0.1a]$ wc -l ircd.tcl |
| 03:04.45 | Tene | 521 ircd.tcl |
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| 03:07.03 | calvarez | Jayce^ maquis atoponce bonez39 bytheway_ com4 dilvie drip eco emcnabb findlay findlay-w glitch- goozbach graphyx jlp_work jnbek JoshH_ jsmith levi levi_home macnewbold maquis-fiance maquis_ markl_ mheath mheath[laptop]_ mrpull-_ Newsome nick125 nick125_lappy QBFreak redbeard1 rsimpkins Sargun scott ScytheBlade1 spr Supaplex synic Tene tensai tristanbob tristanbob_ unum vontrapp Voyavoda xbmodder |
| 03:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's bannable on several channels, you know. |
| 03:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Just you know, fyi. |
| 03:07.41 | levi_home | calvarez: Playing with scripts? |
| 03:08.22 | graphyx | simalar to yelling fire in a theater. |
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| 03:10.11 | dilvie | where's the fire? |
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| 03:11.52 | rsimpkins | Yelling fire in a theater? Huh? How about saying everyones name in a theater, then walking off stage. |
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| 03:15.05 | calvarez | rsimpkins, you got it |
| 03:15.36 | calvarez | I wanted to 1) make the channel more lively and 2) test your response time. ScytheBlade1 won. |
| 03:15.45 | calvarez | ok, ok, don't kill me |
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| 03:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | At least he got the last part right. |
| 03:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- calvarez has quit ("Leaving") |
| 03:18.24 | graphyx | heh |
| 03:30.34 | levi_home | Anyone heard of newtvdownloads.com? |
| 03:32.31 | graphyx | nope |
| 03:35.43 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 03:37.21 | levi_home | I'm trying to figure out if it's a pay-to-join torrent network or something legitimate. |
| 03:39.52 | levi_home | Yeah, I think it's just a torrent network. |
| 03:46.28 | mheath[laptop]_ | Good evening1 |
| 03:46.31 | mheath[laptop]_ | erm, ! |
| 03:55.41 | levi_home | Hello |
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| 04:42.35 | SB1-Laptop | There we go |
| 04:42.40 | SB1-Laptop | Auto connect and identify |
| 04:56.24 | Sargun | Someone named me? |
| 04:59.57 | findlay | Sargun!!!@ |
| 05:01.09 | Sargun | who was this Voya_afk character? |
| 05:03.18 | Sargun | On? |
| 05:03.25 | goozbach | oil based stain should be applied with adaquite ventelation |
| 05:03.28 | Sargun | (If you say love, I will puke) |
| 05:03.34 | Sargun | Oh, thats not good. |
| 05:03.38 | goozbach | yay |
| 05:03.43 | Sargun | Get some fresh non-IRC powered air. |
| 05:03.58 | goozbach | I thought the grage was big enough |
| 05:04.03 | goozbach | graraage |
| 05:04.09 | Sargun | Open the Garage? |
| 05:04.12 | Sargun | or |
| 05:04.13 | goozbach | that car thing with the big door |
| 05:04.17 | Sargun | graraage |
| 05:04.17 | Sargun | or |
| 05:04.20 | Sargun | grage |
| 05:04.30 | goozbach | iti's done now |
| 05:04.37 | goozbach | I'm out of the car thing |
| 05:05.02 | Sargun | Thats good. |
| 05:05.09 | Sargun | Now, just refrain from dying. |
| 05:05.11 | levi_home | goozbach: You didn't need those brain cells anyway, right? |
| 05:05.18 | Sargun | or suffering permanent brain damage |
| 05:05.49 | goozbach | pretty shelf however |
| 05:05.53 | Sargun | ? |
| 05:06.02 | goozbach | or it will be when I varnish it tomoorow |
| 05:06.10 | goozbach | HYAY |
| 05:06.16 | goozbach | space for more books! |
| 05:06.26 | Sargun | goozbach, Refrain from +o yourself |
| 05:06.37 | Sargun | and kickbanning me, or SB1-Laptop |
| 05:06.39 | Sargun | or levi |
| 05:06.42 | Sargun | or levi_home |
| 05:06.45 | goozbach | why |
| 05:06.47 | Sargun | or anyone really |
| 05:07.00 | goozbach | have you been meen to the shelf? |
| 05:07.05 | goozbach | to the channel |
| 05:07.06 | goozbach | ? |
| 05:07.10 | Sargun | "Friends don't let friends Oper when high" :-P |
| 05:07.18 | goozbach | ok |
| 05:07.32 | goozbach | so you're taking my "keys" |
| 05:07.33 | goozbach | ? |
| 05:07.38 | goozbach | sleepy |
| 05:07.42 | goozbach | needy sleepy |
| 05:07.45 | goozbach | gnight |
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| 05:23.57 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 05:24.03 | levi_home | How's it going, maquis? |
| 05:24.17 | levi_home | Surviving the holiday season at work? |
| 05:24.35 | findlay | ~maquis maquis |
| 05:24.37 | ibot | ACTION breaks maquis just by looking in maquis's direction |
| 05:24.38 | maquis | levi_home: for some definition of the word 'surviving' |
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| 05:37.43 | maquis | findlay: cool... thanks |
| 05:44.58 | findlay | I wonder what a hero in bed means. Maybe they know that in my dreams I long to be a hero |
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| 05:47.31 | levi_home | findlay: Um... what are you talking about? |
| 05:48.06 | maquis | lol |
| 05:48.17 | maquis | ~lart php |
| 05:56.46 | findlay | levi_home: some email in my deal box had that as a subject |
| 05:57.03 | levi_home | Ahh, I see. |
| 05:57.03 | findlay | I generally don't take deals out of there though |
| 05:57.34 | findlay | I wonder why they call it spam |
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| 06:30.26 | findlay | wow, this subaru service manual has everything in it (-: |
| 06:30.34 | findlay | awesome |
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| 07:01.37 | EpP | anyone familier with the prism chipsets? |
| 07:25.26 | Sargun | EpP, A little, why? |
| 07:26.12 | EpP | Sargun, because i want to get a card that can packet inject. but i have no clue what to get. |
| 07:26.18 | Sargun | um |
| 07:26.19 | Sargun | Ah |
| 07:26.22 | Sargun | Orinoco |
| 07:26.23 | Sargun | is nice |
| 07:26.55 | Sargun | laptop? |
| 07:26.57 | Sargun | or desky? |
| 07:27.52 | EpP | laptop |
| 07:27.57 | EpP | but can they inject? |
| 07:28.12 | EpP | i thought just prism and ralink could |
| 07:28.45 | Sargun | Uh |
| 07:28.53 | Sargun | they're the most stable |
| 07:29.08 | EpP | i dont want to patch anything either... |
| 07:29.41 | EpP | well. i guess the d-lik g122 does... so illge that |
| 07:29.55 | EpP | !s/illge/ill get |
| 08:02.01 | findlay | sure, just leave |
| 08:02.22 | levi_home | What, you wanted to talk to him? |
| 08:02.34 | findlay | no |
| 08:02.58 | levi_home | Well then, why care that he left? |
| 08:03.16 | findlay | because |
| 08:04.01 | levi_home | Oh, okay. |
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| 12:42.59 | mheath[laptop]_ | Good morning, everyone! |
| 13:00.45 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]_: Good morning! |
| 13:01.23 | emcnabb | ~onjoin graphyx |
| 13:01.23 | ibot | onjoin for graphyx set by vontrapp on Wed Nov 29 19:10:42 2006: Dr, co yd. Ekrpat jrmcbiZ |
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| 13:46.00 | graphyx | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=45.123785,-123.113962&spn=0.012112,0.024097&t=h |
| 13:46.17 | graphyx | firefox crop circle |
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| 14:00.13 | graphyx | is it & that will run commands or &&? |
| 14:01.35 | Newsome | & will background something |
| 14:01.59 | Newsome | && will test the result of the first command, and run a second if true |
| 14:13.24 | graphyx | ah I probably want ; |
| 14:13.58 | graphyx | that will run the commands sequentially right? |
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| 14:20.31 | goozbach | graphyx: yup |
| 14:20.37 | goozbach | echo hello; touch foo |
| 14:20.46 | goozbach | two commands, one line |
| 14:21.06 | goozbach | ls ./hello.txt && echo hi there |
| 14:21.26 | goozbach | will echo "hi there" if ls returns sucess |
| 14:21.53 | goozbach | ls ./hello.txt || echo no hi for you |
| 14:22.08 | goozbach | will echo "no hi for you" if ls returns failure. |
| 14:23.09 | goozbach | FYI in bash's world 0 is true or sucess and anything >0 is false or failure |
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| 14:28.12 | ^Migs^ | I'm getting really tired of my coworker editing my live production site rather than the development site |
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| 14:41.15 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: the best way to never have it happen again is punishment by death |
| 14:41.35 | ^Migs^ | "Hello Justin, Hope your surviving the snow. Attached is the menus and a flyer for December" |
| 14:41.36 | ^Migs^ | GAH |
| 14:41.51 | ^Migs^ | an EDUCATOR wrote this! |
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| 14:42.55 | emcnabb | death! |
| 14:44.29 | goozbach | DEATH! |
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| 15:03.31 | elg | wow, the high here will be 5˚C today |
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| 15:16.17 | ^Migs^ | are there any RTS games for kids, like 3 or 4 year-olds? |
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| 15:17.12 | elg | it's not RTS, per se, but maybe lemmings |
| 15:17.22 | elg | it's realtime, and strategic |
| 15:17.36 | ^Migs^ | omg, why didn't I think of that? |
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| 15:17.54 | elg | hard to say |
| 15:17.58 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:18.15 | ^Migs^ | that's exactly what I want, to encourage quick-thinking and problem-solving skills in the face of not-so-predictable occurrences |
| 15:19.09 | elg | nice. although lemmings is predictable once you figure it all out. but to a 3 or 4 year old it will be mostly unpredictable at first anyway |
| 15:19.35 | ^Migs^ | precisely |
| 15:19.52 | elg | i guess there is the things that smash your guys out of the blue. that's fairly unpredictable :) |
| 15:20.12 | ^Migs^ | plus, you can slow the game down quite a bit |
| 15:20.30 | ^Migs^ | perfect for less agile fingers |
| 15:20.55 | graphyx | I like lemmings revolutions. |
| 15:20.57 | emcnabb | lemmings is great |
| 15:21.03 | emcnabb | is there a Linux version of it? |
| 15:21.08 | elg | there's pinugs |
| 15:21.09 | goozbach | buhaha |
| 15:21.09 | emcnabb | or something like it? |
| 15:21.11 | elg | er pingus |
| 15:21.13 | goozbach | buhahahahah!!!! |
| 15:21.14 | emcnabb | hum |
| 15:21.22 | elg | http://pingus.seul.org/ |
| 15:21.54 | emcnabb | elg: awesome |
| 15:22.00 | elg | last I played it, it was nice |
| 15:22.04 | elg | but lacked interesting levels |
| 15:22.22 | elg | which was great progress from the few years before that when it had nice graphics but sucked in every other way |
| 15:22.27 | elg | so maybe they even have levels now |
| 15:22.54 | Supaplex | poor dilvie |
| 15:22.58 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 15:23.40 | ^Migs^ | wow, that's cool |
| 15:23.43 | ^Migs^ | I wish there was a Windows port |
| 15:24.22 | ^Migs^ | there's a ton of great Linux games for kids. |
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| 15:29.23 | graphyx | dilvie lost his tail. |
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| 15:35.49 | Supaplex | gasp, dilvie has a new tail! |
| 15:37.25 | vontrapp | does bcm43xx do bluetooth yet? |
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| 15:38.24 | calvarez | many ganes for Linux can be ported to windiws without a lot of work |
| 15:38.32 | calvarez | both Qt and GTK+ run in Windows |
| 15:38.52 | monkey___] | my tail is better |
| 15:38.53 | calvarez | and *hopefully* people don't use Xlib directly for games |
| 15:39.13 | calvarez | question: has anybody used wxWidgets and/or GTK+ before? |
| 15:39.44 | monkey___] | i've used gtk slightly |
| 15:41.49 | monkey___] | used it enough to know i wish you could set fill charachteristics on children widgets themselves rather than just through the container |
| 15:45.23 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:50.25 | elg | morgen |
| 15:50.55 | glitch- | Sup elg |
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| 17:07.32 | *** topic/#utah is Channel for OSS discussion | See http://www.plug.org/node/28 | PHP workshop hosted by OALUG & UPHPU Jan 27 in Ogden- Watch http://groups.google.com/group/oalug for details | findlay's intarwebs now worketh |
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| 17:07.53 | elg | as in cops that did a dumb thing and were lucky |
| 17:07.53 | graphyx | fear the bot |
| 17:07.57 | Tene | graphyx: maybe you should ask for people instead of resumes then. |
| 17:08.20 | maquis | elg: how dumb? |
| 17:08.25 | elg | ^Migs^' link |
| 17:08.26 | graphyx | Possibly |
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| 17:14.49 | levi | maquis: Pulling a naked crack-smoking dude out of the jaws of an angry alligator. |
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| 17:21.49 | ibot | atoponce: ok |
| 17:24.58 | ^Migs^ | http://www.pcworld.ca/news/column/e73b0b190a0104080187a604e28f6492/pg1.htm |
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| 17:31.22 | m{w{5}sStay} | long time no see guys - what did I miss in the last month or so? |
| 17:32.00 | graphyx | time on irc |
| 17:32.27 | \me | dang it! I should have been here then |
| 17:32.50 | \me | I'm looking for excuses to avoid debugging this C code |
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| 17:33.22 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:33.25 | ^Migs^ | who are you, \me? |
| 17:33.30 | ^Migs^ | I have NEVER seen you here before. Identify yourself. |
| 17:33.56 | \me | ^Migs^: I think you've asked me that before |
| 17:34.02 | ^Migs^ | oh, I probably have |
| 17:34.04 | ^Migs^ | nm then |
| 17:34.12 | \me | :-) |
| 17:34.41 | \me | my new computer is in GA right now |
| 17:34.54 | \me | Core 2 Duo 6600 |
| 17:35.03 | \me | 2 Gb Dual Channel DDR3 RAM |
| 17:35.33 | \me | Nvidia GeForce 8800 768 Mb (or something like that) |
| 17:36.03 | levi | Sounds nice. |
| 17:36.25 | \me | should just barely run Windows Vista ;-) |
| 17:37.56 | levi | Hmm. So much for running Beryl with aiglx goodness. |
| 17:38.08 | maquis | \me: what kind of computer? and where'd you order it from? |
| 17:38.43 | \me | maquis: I'm building it - to replace the current MoBo/CPU/VGA combo I have that just started having issues |
| 17:38.55 | \me | most of the parts are from newegg |
| 17:39.05 | maquis | \me: cool! |
| 17:39.06 | [___monkey | ~napd |
| 17:39.07 | [___monkey | isn't plug in lindon now? |
| 17:39.07 | [___monkey | arg! |
| 17:39.30 | \me | [___monkey: I was having issues this morning too - what ISP? |
| 17:39.39 | \me | heh |
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| 17:39.53 | [___monkey | stupid isp! |
| 17:40.03 | \me | vontrapp: what ISP? |
| 17:40.33 | vontrapp | HotSite or HighWire or whatever they go by |
| 17:40.45 | vontrapp | hotsite is the name of the ap |
| 17:41.07 | \me | ah - okay - mine's Comcast. My internet was on the fritz this morning |
| 17:41.11 | \me | seems fast now though |
| 17:41.34 | \me | anyone ever try to convince Comcast you're not getting the downstream you're supposed to before? |
| 17:41.48 | vontrapp | it's the isp that serves branbury appartments |
| 17:41.48 | vontrapp | isn't plug in lindon now? |
| 17:42.02 | \me | Mine's never gone above 4Mb/s and I'm supposed to have 6Mb/s - I can't seem to convince them there's a problem |
| 17:42.39 | \me | the last guy had me go to some random website and then he asked me, "did it come up fast for you?" |
| 17:42.42 | Supaplex | You mean it's crap^h^h^homcastic? |
| 17:43.07 | \me | Supaplex: I've given in - I've had issues with almost every ISP I've had |
| 17:43.18 | Supaplex | true... |
| 17:43.26 | \me | I just go with the cheapest now |
| 17:43.28 | maquis | \me: and how did you respond? |
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| 17:43.58 | \me | maquis: I said, uh, yeah, it was fast, but broadbandreports still says it's not above 4Mb/s |
| 17:44.11 | \me | and it wasn't really that fast either |
| 17:44.12 | maquis | :) |
| 17:44.17 | \me | 7 secs to load |
| 17:44.19 | maquis | and what'd they say? |
| 17:44.26 | \me | I told him to calculate the size of that page against 7 secs |
| 17:44.40 | \me | he quickly moved on to do "modem tests" on my modem |
| 17:44.58 | \me | of which he said there was a problem and told me to reboot the modem, which ended our call because I'm on Vonage |
| 17:45.13 | maquis | did you tell him before you rebooted that it would end the call? |
| 17:45.22 | \me | and my connection is still below 4Mb/s |
| 17:45.27 | vontrapp | :) |
| 17:45.43 | \me | I told him, and he was perfectly happy with ending the call |
| 17:45.47 | \me | :-) |
| 17:45.53 | maquis | lol |
| 17:46.15 | \me | I think the fact I was on a Mac intimidated him |
| 17:46.20 | maquis | lol |
| 17:46.27 | vontrapp | \me: at least your connection isn't below 30Kb/s |
| 17:46.31 | vontrapp | mine is _and_ it is on and off all freaking day long |
| 17:46.31 | \me | "click start" - uh, there's no start |
| 17:46.44 | Supaplex | hehehe |
| 17:46.44 | \me | "what are you trying to get at?" |
| 17:46.53 | \me | "um, ping this address" |
| 17:47.35 | maquis | i'm never going to forgive belkin for claiming that i couldn't configure my router because linux can't run scripts |
| 17:47.37 | \me | funny thing is he didn't know why he was pinging |
| 17:47.57 | \me | "do those ping times seem fast to you? Is it returning pretty fast?" |
| 17:48.25 | maquis | they couldn't explain to me what kind of scripts my router would be trying to run on my machine when i tried to configure it... |
| 17:48.44 | \me | "uh, I don't know - you tell me how many Mb/s 64 bytes in 81.6 secs is?" |
| 17:49.05 | maquis | lol |
| 17:49.08 | Supaplex | :) |
| 17:49.42 | SB1-Laptop | \me, who is your ISP? |
| 17:49.44 | vontrapp | don't you mean msecs? |
| 17:49.49 | \me | maquis: your router tries to run scripts on your client machine? |
| 17:49.58 | \me | vontrapp: sorry - yes |
| 17:50.03 | \me | SB1-Laptop: comcast |
| 17:50.13 | maquis | \me: that was belkin's explanation for why my router wouldn't let me change any configuration on the router |
| 17:50.22 | maquis | i asked whether they meant javascript, and they said no |
| 17:50.27 | SB1-Laptop | \me, their tech support is clueless, I've had their services for five years now |
| 17:50.28 | maquis | it needed to be able to run scripts |
| 17:50.33 | \me | maquis: uh, that's scary |
| 17:50.35 | maquis | i ensured that javascript was enabled anyways.. |
| 17:50.56 | maquis | i don't think the person on the phone actually knew what linux was, though |
| 17:50.56 | \me | SB1-Laptop: how do you get someone who even knows what Mb/s means? |
| 17:51.20 | SB1-Laptop | \me, end result, when you get "stupid" on the other end of the line, hang up and call again. All of the Utah calls are fielded by a HUGE (2k+ employees) call center complex in Winnipeg |
| 17:51.36 | vontrapp | pinging has absolutely no relevence to downstream anyway |
| 17:51.38 | \me | SB1-Laptop: I'll remember that |
| 17:51.44 | SB1-Laptop | Chances of getting the same "stupid" are statictically VERY low |
| 17:51.52 | maquis | SB1-Laptop: yeah... but then you end up waiting even longer |
| 17:51.56 | \me | vontrapp: I agree, hence why I thought it was funny - he had no clue what I was talking about |
| 17:52.00 | SB1-Laptop | And likewise some people there actualy know what they're talking about |
| 17:52.07 | SB1-Laptop | maquis, generaly it's a 3m wait, tops |
| 17:52.18 | SB1-Laptop | *generally |
| 17:52.23 | \me | I just figured I'd let him run his little ping tests that he had no clue why he was running |
| 17:52.48 | \me | In some ways I gain amusement by seeing what these tech support guys will try |
| 17:52.56 | SB1-Laptop | \me, exactly... that's the trick: let them find a problem, and when the tech gets out to your house, actually tell them what's wrong |
| 17:53.05 | maquis | i still remember the first time i had somebody with a clue when i called in to report a network outage to OIT |
| 17:53.14 | maquis | i almost fell off my chair becaues i was so startled |
| 17:53.19 | \me | SB1-Laptop: yeah - I guess that's the key - get the tech guy out to your house in whatever way possible |
| 17:53.29 | SB1-Laptop | \me, yup. Hit that nail on the head. |
| 17:53.36 | \me | that would make a good website - "stupid tech support people" |
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| 17:53.58 | SB1-Laptop | \me, one other tip: |
| 17:53.59 | \me | kinda like the stupid tech support calls sites out there, but the other way around |
| 17:54.04 | SB1-Laptop | "I DEMAND TO SPEAK TO YOUR SUPERVISOR!" |
| 17:54.19 | \me | SB1-Laptop: oh, I've used that plenty of times :-) |
| 17:54.20 | SB1-Laptop | ... won't get you a supervisor, rather it'll get you one of their "veterans" in the business |
| 17:54.26 | \me | hehe |
| 17:54.30 | SB1-Laptop | Seriously |
| 17:54.43 | \me | my wife's cousin is a tech for Comcast - it's tempting just to call him |
| 17:54.59 | SB1-Laptop | They move you to specially trained people who know what they're doing instead of the supervisor |
| 17:55.13 | \me | yeah - I kinda wondered that |
| 17:55.15 | SB1-Laptop | \me, do it, chances are good that he can set you up with a service visit from your *local* office |
| 17:55.44 | \me | well, he works here locally, so I may even get him if I can convince him to come out |
| 17:55.48 | maquis | it's bad when you tell them "this is linux" and they say "ummm... one moment" and put you on hold for a while, then come back and say "do you have another computer around?" |
| 17:55.58 | SB1-Laptop | maybe. Worth a shot, at any rate |
| 17:56.01 | \me | maquis: lol! |
| 17:56.03 | maquis | "yup... it's running freebsd" |
| 17:56.06 | SB1-Laptop | lol |
| 17:56.14 | SB1-Laptop | In my experience with comcast |
| 17:56.17 | maquis | <long pause> "what's that?" |
| 17:56.30 | SB1-Laptop | I say linux router, and then pretend to go out of my way to get a windows box |
| 17:56.40 | \me | I'm going to start saying "I'm running a BSD derivative" when they ask what OS I'm running |
| 17:56.42 | SB1-Laptop | They'll typically just start to work with you as much as they can |
| 17:57.00 | maquis | "can you please hold... i'm going to see if there's anyone around here who can help you" <hold for about 10 minutes> "sorry... nobody here knows anything about linux. how can we help you?" |
| 17:57.01 | \me | SB1-Laptop: I've done that a few times |
| 17:57.09 | SB1-Laptop | Despite the "stupid", and despite the fact that they "don't support anything other than OSX and Windows" |
| 17:57.14 | \me | I just tell them it's connected locally to the modem instead of through a router |
| 17:57.28 | SB1-Laptop | They WILL work with you as much as they can to their knowledge regardless |
| 17:57.37 | maquis | SB1-Laptop: yeah... but that's when it's more entertaining |
| 17:57.50 | SB1-Laptop | True |
| 17:58.07 | \me | it all depends on my mood how hard I make it for them |
| 17:58.11 | SB1-Laptop | What was the problem exactly? I joined late |
| 17:58.31 | \me | I've gotten tired of playing the games lately, and I just do it for the entertainment now |
| 17:58.47 | \me | SB1-Laptop: I'm supposed to be getting 6Mb/s from Comcast, but have never gotten above 4 |
| 17:58.59 | SB1-Laptop | \me, tried a knoppix torrent? |
| 17:59.20 | \me | SB1-Laptop: haven't - tried other torrents though |
| 17:59.39 | \me | I just use broadbandreports' speed test usually to test though |
| 18:00.00 | \me | I know it's not completely accurate, but I would think at least once it would come near 6Mb/s |
| 18:00.19 | SB1-Laptop | My line sure does, heh |
| 18:00.46 | SB1-Laptop | I've downloaded a knoppix ISO at just barely over 1.1MB/sec sustained speeds |
| 18:00.57 | SB1-Laptop | again - comcast |
| 18:02.25 | \me | wow - that's nice |
| 18:02.47 | \me | maybe that's why *my* connection isn't getting what it's supposed to - they're giving it all to you ;-) |
| 18:03.31 | SB1-Laptop | There's a reason I put up with the 384kbit upstream cap ;) |
| 18:03.59 | SB1-Laptop | You have the home residential line, yes? |
| 18:04.05 | \me | correct |
| 18:04.17 | SB1-Laptop | Where do you live? |
| 18:04.23 | \me | Taylorsville |
| 18:04.38 | SB1-Laptop | That's probably why |
| 18:04.52 | SB1-Laptop | Technically, all of the home lines should bhe 8mbit/384kbit by now |
| 18:04.56 | \me | I think the line might be bad, or there may be a cap on one of the external comcast routers/switches or something |
| 18:04.56 | SB1-Laptop | (South Jordan here) |
| 18:05.05 | SB1-Laptop | *be |
| 18:05.41 | \me | I am so close to West Valley and Utopia - it sucks to be so close, yet no access |
| 18:05.45 | SB1-Laptop | It has a LOT to do with the area |
| 18:05.47 | SB1-Laptop | Heh, same... |
| 18:06.00 | SB1-Laptop | I cross the street and walk a few steps, I'm in riverton |
| 18:06.10 | SB1-Laptop | ... which has Utopia, where South Jordan does not |
| 18:06.49 | findlay | SB1-Laptop: so scotch tape a fiber to one you dig out of the ground from there (: |
| 18:07.00 | findlay | that should work |
| 18:07.02 | SB1-Laptop | findlay, you have no idea how tempting that is |
| 18:07.06 | findlay | heh |
| 18:07.45 | SB1-Laptop | South Jordan said "No, quest and comcast will build that infrastrufcture for us" - $1.1 million otherwise |
| 18:08.00 | SB1-Laptop | Then turned around and bought Mulligans and then blew $800k on a LED sign for the place |
| 18:08.14 | findlay | I was talking to some people from Springville and they told me that some people had switched *away* from utopia because it was "slow" |
| 18:08.20 | findlay | all I could do is roll my eyes |
| 18:10.08 | findlay | I think it's hard for people to understand the pooprtunities that fiber offers |
| 18:10.18 | findlay | thousands of times the bandwidth |
| 18:10.23 | SB1-Laptop | Namely the South Jordan City Council |
| 18:10.26 | SB1-Laptop | *sighs* |
| 18:10.34 | findlay | and the WJ city council too |
| 18:10.50 | findlay | some people don't get it |
| 18:11.26 | findlay | and unfortunately there are so much some people that they make up the large majority of Utah state and local government |
| 18:11.39 | findlay | believing everything that Qwest and Comcast tell them |
| 18:11.44 | SB1-Laptop | Yup |
| 18:12.03 | findlay | and Diebold for that matter |
| 18:12.18 | \me | findlay: I know Mayor Newton there - I asked him about it, not sure he gets it either |
| 18:12.34 | findlay | heh. It's sad |
| 18:12.36 | \me | I told him there was a huge interest in it though |
| 18:13.11 | findlay | one of the challenges to Utopia is the funding situation |
| 18:13.17 | \me | I really think WVC is going to really boom here shortly because of things like the Utopia thing |
| 18:13.23 | \me | it already is, in some ways |
| 18:13.43 | \me | findlay: that's what Mayor Newton told me |
| 18:14.01 | \me | he wasn't sure where the funds were going to come from |
| 18:14.15 | findlay | I can say that for my next apartment the strongest incentive is utopia, not the iProvo joke |
| 18:14.37 | findlay | no more veracity woes for me |
| 18:14.40 | \me | my daughter's Charter School that is getting built in WVC will have Utopia |
| 18:15.01 | findlay | all public schools in the state are on the ednet |
| 18:15.02 | \me | definitely a reason we're sending her out to WVC for school |
| 18:15.25 | findlay | I don't remember if the ednet is fiber or not |
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| 18:19.58 | findlay | I do remember that my high school was built with fiber access back in the mid 90s |
| 18:27.35 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 18:27.42 | ^Migs^ | America First just added this dumb Verified Access thing |
| 18:28.03 | maquis | ^Migs^: and? |
| 18:28.24 | ^Migs^ | they have these challenge questions, like "What color was your first car?" or "What is your favorite TV show?" |
| 18:28.38 | maquis | haha |
| 18:28.40 | ^Migs^ | what if you never owned a car, don't watch TV, don't have a favorite sports team, don't have a favorite vacation spot... |
| 18:28.51 | ^Migs^ | problem is you HAVE to pick from the list |
| 18:29.02 | maquis | ^Migs^: bruce schneier has an interesting article someplace about that |
| 18:29.19 | maquis | he had one where they required you to have a 8-character password, with at least one number, etc. |
| 18:29.24 | ^Migs^ | man, wtf |
| 18:29.30 | ^Migs^ | I just want to check my bank account |
| 18:29.36 | maquis | then, for the challenge question, the only option was "last 4 digits of your SSN"... |
| 18:29.51 | maquis | and it tested to ensure that what you entered was a 4-digit number |
| 18:30.16 | maquis | ^Migs^: what i usually do is type in a ton of garbage so that it's impossible to guess... and then i make sure i don't forget my password |
| 18:30.17 | ^Migs^ | that's dumb |
| 18:30.25 | maquis | ^Migs^: yup |
| 18:30.39 | maquis | makes the 8-character password kinda pointless |
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| 18:31.05 | levi | Zions Bank just switched to a new scheme that's supposed to stop phishing. |
| 18:31.18 | ^Migs^ | one of these challenge question lists has only the four options: "What was the name of your first friend?" (don't remember) "what is your favorite movie?" (I have many favorites and have never bothered choosing just one) "what is your favorite book" (don't read books) "who is your favorite actor/actress?" (don't like celebrities) |
| 18:31.23 | ^Migs^ | what am I supposed to do there!? |
| 18:31.42 | levi | You enter your username, then you enter your password, then it shows you a picture you chose and you have to enter a phrase that you picked to go along with the picture. |
| 18:32.07 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to complain to two of the AFCU board members who I happen to be quite close to |
| 18:32.19 | levi | ^Migs^: Just remember which bogus question and answer you picked. |
| 18:32.25 | ^Migs^ | that's similar to what AFCU is doing now, levi |
| 18:32.40 | ^Migs^ | uh, I can't remember that stuff. I have a terrible memory. I'm not used to lying. |
| 18:32.52 | ^Migs^ | WTF LET ME ACCESS MY BANK ACCOUNT |
| 18:33.54 | levi | A lot of challenge/response systems let you pick a challenge question. |
| 18:34.03 | levi | I.e., enter your own in a text box. |
| 18:34.20 | maquis | ^Migs^: do you actually have to enter it each time? |
| 18:34.26 | maquis | or is it just for resetting your password if you forget it? |
| 18:35.07 | maquis | if it's only for resetting if you forget it, just pound on the keyboard for a while, and remember your password |
| 18:36.04 | \me | findlay: lol - love your comment on LDSOSS |
| 18:37.34 | \me | I hate the ones that ask for a really long password, but then don't allow any non-alphanumeric characters in the password |
| 18:37.50 | ^Migs^ | I think it's just for resetting |
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| 18:39.40 | findlay | I was at the UU library and the computer wanted me to generate a password, but it's rejection standard was so high I ended up having to create a completely ridiculous string of characters which I had to write down |
| 18:39.52 | findlay | ironic |
| 18:40.13 | \me | security's so overrated |
| 18:40.38 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:42.43 | emcnabb | woohoo, 8 new processors |
| 18:42.49 | emcnabb | but no thermal grease :-( |
| 18:44.14 | ^Migs^ | great, now I can't even log into my account |
| 18:45.10 | elg | get a new mattress |
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| 18:46.45 | \me | anyone ever try overclocking their machines before? |
| 18:46.52 | \me | I think I'm going to try it with this new machine |
| 18:47.06 | \me | see if I can get it up to the 6700's speeds |
| 18:50.57 | levi | I tried with a Sempron. |
| 18:51.22 | levi | I was able to overclock it a little, but I went too far and it crashed. And then I realized I didn't care, and never fiddled with it again. |
| 18:51.25 | Jayce^ | I did it back in the PII days, no need anymore |
| 18:52.31 | levi | GPUs may still be worth trying to overclock these days, but I couldn't muster enough care about it to try that, either. |
| 18:55.52 | levi | The clock speed of today's processors isn't really the primary determinant of their real execution speed, either. |
| 18:57.40 | \me | Anyone know where I can find info on flashing or unlocking my GPU? |
| 18:58.03 | \me | aka if/where the software can be found to do it |
| 18:58.26 | \me | My new one may be too new to have anything for it |
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| 19:01.15 | levi | No idea. |
| 19:10.00 | levi | maquis: Quick, kill some memory-hogging processes! |
| 19:11.21 | maquis | levi: i wish... |
| 19:11.44 | levi | Not that kind of thrashing, eh? |
| 19:11.58 | maquis | actualyl, yes, it is that kind of thrashing |
| 19:12.19 | levi | Too many instances of java, eclipse, etc? |
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| 19:20.58 | goozbach | http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/02/target-your-co-workers-with-usb-air-darts/4 |
| 19:23.58 | fozzmoo | goozbach! |
| 19:28.48 | elg | ~nslookup westernsaw.fugal.net |
| 19:29.04 | elg | who else can't? |
| 19:29.18 | fozzmoo | westernsaw.fugal.net is an alias for falcon.fugal.net. |
| 19:29.22 | elg | -host westernsaw.fugal.net |
| 19:29.23 | brac | westernsaw.fugal.net is an alias for falcon.fugal.net. |
| 19:29.23 | brac | falcon.fugal.net has address 166.70.27.96 |
| 19:29.23 | brac | westernsaw.fugal.net is an alias for falcon.fugal.net. |
| 19:32.58 | findlay | # host westernsaw.fugal.net |
| 19:32.58 | findlay | Host westernsaw.fugal.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 19:33.01 | elg | so what's up with everydns I wonder |
| 19:34.47 | ^Migs^ | that's OLD goozbach |
| 19:35.09 | goozbach | well EXCUSE me, |
| 19:35.15 | goozbach | I hadn't seen it yet |
| 19:35.18 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:35.26 | goozbach | fozzmoo! |
| 19:35.38 | goozbach | fozzmoo: guess what I did last night... |
| 19:35.58 | goozbach | I virtulized Windows Server 2003 on that box I just put in. |
| 19:36.16 | Tene | sweet |
| 19:37.45 | ^Migs^ | OOOOOOOLD |
| 19:38.11 | ^Migs^ | haha, here's a good one: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/8122/ |
| 19:38.19 | ^Migs^ | "Tired of that same old monotonous water? Bored with water that doesn't look like futuristic alien mouthwash? Need to make your midnite bathroom appointments more exhilarating? Then you need to get the blue LED faucet attachment from ThinkGeek. " |
| 19:38.46 | mrpull-_ | goozbach: what virtualization did you use? |
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| 19:40.56 | goozbach | mrpull-_: Xen with an Intel VT enabled processor |
| 19:41.18 | mrpull-_ | have you benchmarked it versus Vmware? |
| 19:41.29 | mrpull-_ | (or done an informal comparison?) |
| 19:41.45 | goozbach | completly objectively it's faster |
| 19:41.51 | findlay | ^Migs^: so do you regularly pelt your coworkers with USB powered air weapons? |
| 19:42.07 | goozbach | I haven't done a side-by-side. |
| 19:42.11 | mrpull-_ | goozbach: interesting. I'd like to try that myself. I'm a big fan of Vmware |
| 19:42.29 | goozbach | what I need is IDENTICAL hardware and then do a side-by-side |
| 19:42.40 | findlay | what does the hardware v11n get you? |
| 19:43.28 | SB1-Laptop | Hmm, question for you more knowledgable people |
| 19:43.45 | findlay | s/v11/v13/ |
| 19:43.54 | SB1-Laptop | Would mounting a USB device -o sync, copying 5GB to it, and then umounting it |
| 19:44.12 | SB1-Laptop | Actually make it write to the device during the copy, compared to the umount? |
| 19:44.34 | findlay | it's going to take a pretty while no matter what |
| 19:44.45 | SB1-Laptop | Right, it's just a matter of when |
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| 19:45.01 | SB1-Laptop | When I go to umount it, imo, I want to get up and leave already |
| 19:45.08 | SB1-Laptop | Not wait for it to actually write to disk |
| 19:45.16 | findlay | heh |
| 19:45.21 | findlay | ~tias |
| 19:45.26 | goozbach | findlay: running non-modified oses under Xen |
| 19:45.50 | elg | SB1-Laptop: yes |
| 19:46.06 | findlay | goozbach: awesome, so does that mean they needn't be running xen-aware kernels? |
| 19:46.27 | findlay | ibot: tias is try it and see |
| 19:46.29 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 19:46.31 | ^Migs^ | they were underpaying me here. My boss just fixed it so I make more money now. |
| 19:46.33 | ^Migs^ | SW8!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:46.36 | SB1-Laptop | elg, awesome... that little bit of info just clicked in my head, and I was curious if I was actually correct in thinking that :P |
| 19:46.37 | mrpull-_ | goozbach: does it still need another layer of virtualization like qemu? |
| 19:47.09 | elg | ^Migs^: merry Christmas |
| 19:47.18 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to get a fat retroactive lump sum at the end of this month |
| 19:47.24 | ^Migs^ | just in time to pay off Xmas debt |
| 19:48.02 | levi | vontrapp_: What's an 'ubundant' commodity? ;) |
| 19:48.51 | Tene | levi: a community composed of ubuntu users with poor language skills. |
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| 19:49.45 | goozbach | mrpull-_: methinks there's a little of qemu going on. |
| 19:49.48 | goozbach | but not sure |
| 19:49.55 | goozbach | findlay: that is affirmative |
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| 20:23.20 | beandog | where o where has fozz disappeared to |
| 20:24.40 | beandog | !seen fozzmoo |
| 20:24.45 | beandog | was that his nick? |
| 20:27.14 | Jayce^ | ~moo |
| 20:27.25 | ibot | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 20:27.28 | Jayce^ | poke Tene he can grab fozz for you |
| 20:29.32 | goozbach | or you could use this: |
| 20:29.38 | goozbach | PERL PERL PERL! |
| 20:29.46 | goozbach | I invoke fozzmoo!!!! |
| 20:29.59 | goozbach | for some wierd reason that works |
| 20:31.08 | findlay | DOES IT WORK BETTER IF YOU USE CAPS? |
| 20:35.57 | findlay | dilvie: yes, it was a live performance |
| 20:36.02 | findlay | and it was awesome |
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| 20:37.39 | goozbach | findlay: not always |
| 20:39.35 | atoponce | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 20:40.30 | ibot | fozzmoo <n=fozz@166.70.238.250> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1h 11m 12s ago, saying: 'westernsaw.fugal.net is an alias for falcon.fugal.net.'. |
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| 20:41.25 | beandog | buh |
| 20:41.30 | beandog | thanks |
| 20:42.43 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:49.07 | atoponce | ~echange 5.50 gbd to usd |
| 20:49.27 | findlay | ~give me a million dollars |
| 20:49.29 | ibot | ACTION gives a million dollars to findlay |
| 20:49.34 | findlay | sweet! |
| 20:49.34 | atoponce | ~exchange 5.50 gbd to usd |
| 20:49.48 | atoponce | ~exchange 5.50 gbp to usd |
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| 20:49.58 | atoponce | there we go |
| 20:53.40 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36027 |
| 20:54.03 | ^Migs^ | ONE OF THE lawyers involved in defending cases bought against people by the RIAA claims that if the music industry wins a crucial case, the Internet will have to be switched off. |
| 20:54.37 | ^Migs^ | hahahahahaha |
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| 21:37.51 | \me | I hate having Turkey for lunch - I'm always so tired the rest of my work day |
| 21:38.14 | \me | ^Migs^: The RIAA invented the internet, didn't you know? |
| 21:38.45 | redbeard1 | mmm, turkey |
| 21:38.50 | redbeard1 | turducken |
| 21:38.56 | redbeard1 | so tasty! |
| 21:39.16 | \me | never had turducken |
| 21:39.21 | \me | I hear it's good |
| 21:39.25 | ^Migs^ | oh I know |
| 21:39.29 | \me | this was a deep-fried turkey |
| 21:39.31 | redbeard1 | neither have i. |
| 21:41.13 | eco | The L-Tryptophan in turkey doesn't actually make you sleepy. |
| 21:41.23 | \me | something's making me sleepy |
| 21:41.40 | \me | maybe it's the residual peanut oil |
| 21:43.18 | elg | eco: no? |
| 21:43.56 | elg | ^Migs^: that would be awesome. people would finally get mad enough at the RIAA to do something about it if the internet got switched off |
| 21:44.04 | elg | I wonder if I could switch off the internet and blame the RIAA |
| 21:44.10 | elg | where did that switch go? |
| 21:44.17 | ^Migs^ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7322021131170929421 |
| 21:44.53 | eco | elg: No. |
| 21:45.08 | ^Migs^ | Don't do it elg! |
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| 21:49.14 | Tene | beandog: what's up? |
| 21:50.11 | beandog | Tene: fozzmoo still around? |
| 21:50.26 | Tene | He's not on jabber. |
| 21:50.38 | elg | eco: oce |
| 21:50.50 | Tene | I can summon him if it's really important, though. |
| 21:51.14 | beandog | mm, nah Ill just email him |
| 21:55.04 | goozbach | see it works |
| 21:55.35 | goozbach | you just gotta be quick |
| 21:55.38 | Tene | If I'm unresponsive on IRC, I'm often still available on jabber. |
| 21:55.59 | goozbach | yeah, but some of us don't have direct access to jabber |
| 21:56.19 | Tene | and if you have access to jabber, you could just talk to fozz directly. |
| 21:56.29 | Tene | Except if he's in the office with me at the time, I guess. |
| 21:56.42 | beandog | Tene: can I get his jabber info? |
| 21:56.55 | Tene | /notice |
| 21:57.19 | beandog | thx |
| 21:57.33 | Tene | np |
| 21:57.34 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 22:01.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I feel like the sorceror's apprentice |
| 22:01.10 | Lone_Wanderer | trying to invoke commands in a language I don't understand |
| 22:05.03 | goozbach | which language Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:05.04 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:05.14 | Lone_Wanderer | javascript |
| 22:05.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I copied and pasted this script exactly and it's not working on my page |
| 22:07.56 | ^Migs^ | oh noes! |
| 22:08.11 | ^Migs^ | pastebin it |
| 22:08.37 | Tene | or just link, if it's a public page. |
| 22:08.42 | Tene | silly migs. |
| 22:09.03 | ^Migs^ | I'm not going to the trouble of clicking "View Source" when I open up the page then hunting for the offending Javascript |
| 22:09.15 | ^Migs^ | silly Tene. |
| 22:09.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Source File: https://www.voip-call.us/includes/js/provisioning.js |
| 22:09.33 | Lone_Wanderer | On line 4 |
| 22:09.48 | Tene | If he copied and pasted it exactly, you can't understand why it wouldn't work without context. So the entire page would be posted to pastebin anyway. |
| 22:09.48 | Lone_Wanderer | the error is "$ is not defined" |
| 22:09.49 | Tene | silly migs. |
| 22:10.01 | bonez39 | does Shift-U undo? and if so, what is the command to Redo, some change that U just wiped out? |
| 22:10.07 | Lone_Wanderer | The page that's calling it is https://www.voip-call.us/signup/provisioning.php |
| 22:10.09 | Tene | bonez39: which editor? |
| 22:10.17 | Lone_Wanderer | u is undo, ctrl-r is redo, in vi |
| 22:10.38 | ^Migs^ | Obviously, the entire page would not have to be posted to pastebin, because I'm sure Lone_Wanderer possesses decent enough reasoning skills to at least isolate some of the problematic code, so only a snippet of JS + HTML would be posted. |
| 22:10.41 | ^Migs^ | silly Tene. |
| 22:10.55 | goozbach | silly channel |
| 22:10.57 | goozbach | +m |
| 22:11.02 | Tene | Your face is stupid. Also, you stink. |
| 22:11.02 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 22:11.06 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 22:11.06 | Tene | silly migs. |
| 22:11.21 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 22:11.27 | ^Migs^ | uh oh |
| 22:11.42 | ^Migs^ | goozbach is going to mute us all before I get the chance to make a comeback |
| 22:11.54 | bonez39 | Tene, vim |
| 22:12.08 | Tene | bonez39: ctrl+r work? |
| 22:12.20 | bonez39 | Lone_Wanderer, i hit u, in command mode...but now, ctrl-r doesn't bring it back.... |
| 22:12.25 | findlay-w | hm |
| 22:12.31 | bonez39 | I suppose it's gone....wasn't much though, so no worry |
| 22:12.34 | Lone_Wanderer | The weird thing is that I copied and pasted this from someone else's site. It works fine on theirs but not on mine. |
| 22:12.35 | findlay-w | hello findlay |
| 22:12.39 | findlay | findlay-w: hi |
| 22:12.44 | findlay-w | goodbye |
| 22:12.48 | goozbach | no I was going to praise Tene by giving him a +v |
| 22:12.50 | *** mode/#utah [+v Tene] by goozbach |
| 22:13.08 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: where is arguments defined? |
| 22:13.37 | Tene | See, migs? I told you I was right. |
| 22:15.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I think that arguments is a js primitive |
| 22:15.44 | Tene | Well, my guess is that arguments[i] is empty somewhere. |
| 22:15.54 | ^Migs^ | wtf, but my argument actually made sense |
| 22:15.56 | Tene | try printing out arguments[i] inside the loop |
| 22:16.03 | ^Migs^ | silly Tene + goozbach ie tenebach |
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| 22:17.14 | Lone_Wanderer | arguments[i] is fine |
| 22:17.29 | Tene | what's in it in the iteration that it dies in? |
| 22:17.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I alerted it out and it popped up with the first value but then died at the next line |
| 22:17.37 | Lone_Wanderer | well reload the page and hit it |
| 22:17.53 | Tene | no. tell me. |
| 22:17.59 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 22:18.00 | Lone_Wanderer | cover |
| 22:18.56 | Lone_Wanderer | so it runs fine until it hits the line with $(arguments[i]) |
| 22:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | the weird thing is that I'm using the same notation in the show_extension_popup function - $('cover').style.top.offset etc. |
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| 22:32.27 | vontrapp | levi_home: yeah, thx re: ubundant |
| 22:32.32 | \me | bleh - C hashes! yuck! |
| 22:32.35 | vontrapp | i woulda got marked down for that |
| 22:32.38 | \me | my mind is a pretzel right now |
| 22:33.00 | levi | C hashes? |
| 22:33.05 | \me | well, not really |
| 22:33.15 | \me | but as close as C can come to a hash |
| 22:33.36 | levi | Well, what precisely is it? |
| 22:33.41 | \me | This guy's storing a whole bunch of values in memory for access later in a C struct, essentially |
| 22:34.02 | \me | he uses a bunch of functions with "hash" in the name to retrieve them |
| 22:34.16 | \me | I have no clue why they didn't just implement this in Perl |
| 22:34.18 | Supaplex | roll up the code and smoke it |
| 22:34.23 | vontrapp | where did fozz resolve westernsaw.fugal.net from? |
| 22:34.27 | Supaplex | oh wait.. ;) |
| 22:34.35 | Supaplex | hehe he's high on code! |
| 22:34.41 | \me | yeah man! |
| 22:34.55 | \me | ~smoke weed |
| 22:34.56 | ibot | ACTION smokes weed |
| 22:35.08 | \me | ~smoke code |
| 22:35.10 | ibot | ACTION smokes code |
| 22:35.37 | \me | crap - now I lost my train of thought |
| 22:36.00 | \me | everyone be quiet so I can think |
| 22:36.36 | Supaplex | drowns* |
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| 22:37.31 | vontrapp | ~scare \me |
| 22:37.32 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at \me |
| 22:38.12 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 22:38.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It's working now :) |
| 22:39.23 | \me | ~mute Supaplex |
| 22:39.24 | ibot | ACTION bungs up Supaplex's vocal chords with cotton wool. |
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| 22:44.41 | Lone_Wanderer | what's cotton wool? |
| 22:46.29 | vontrapp | like steel wool but softer? |
| 22:46.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to sleep the long, dark sleep of eternity. |
| 22:47.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Only not really forever. Just for like, ten hours. |
| 22:48.18 | vontrapp | Lone_Wanderer: me too |
| 22:48.42 | vontrapp | california, baby! woooo |
| 22:48.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I get no Christmas break :( |
| 22:48.56 | vontrapp | i'll be surfing on christmas |
| 22:49.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Not to speak of anyway. I hope we get Christmas bonuses. |
| 22:49.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Lucky jerk. |
| 22:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart surfing on Christmas |
| 22:50.09 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart vontrapp for surfing on Christmas |
| 22:50.59 | \me | I want to work for a company that moves out to Florida every winter - that would be cool |
| 22:51.25 | vontrapp | florida is too wet |
| 22:51.39 | Newsome | I've surfed every Christmas since I got the Internet |
| 22:51.50 | \me | not really during the winter |
| 22:51.53 | \me | so I hear |
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| 22:52.46 | vontrapp | everyone knows the waves are better in cali |
| 22:52.53 | vontrapp | and the girls |
| 22:52.56 | \me | and colder |
| 22:53.00 | \me | and the girls |
| 22:53.19 | \me | :-P |
| 22:53.33 | \me | you want good waves may as well go to Hawaii |
| 22:53.43 | \me | or Bali, by all means |
| 22:53.47 | vontrapp | actually, my wife is quite warm |
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| 22:59.22 | calvarez | 'llo |
| 23:01.06 | Lone_Wanderer | hi |
| 23:01.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Why, oh why would IE not display a 100% x 100% div correctly |
| 23:03.56 | vontrapp | as in not displayed at all? |
| 23:05.45 | Lone_Wanderer | No it's displayed, it's just a thin line at the very top of the page. |
| 23:05.45 | Lone_Wanderer | In FF it works fine. |
| 23:05.59 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.voip-call.us/signup/provisioning.php - click "Show Stuff". The "cover" div should get displayed, which covers the whole page and greys it all out. Except for the other thing that's on top of it that says stuff. |
| 23:10.02 | herlo | what does $< mean in a makefile? |
| 23:10.51 | herlo | nm |
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| 23:21.07 | levi | It means 'look me up in the manpage!' ;) |
| 23:21.30 | herlo | levi: that's where I looked |
| 23:21.59 | herlo | and found it, but I thought it was a bash thing and I didn't find it there, but I found it in the make page |
| 23:22.21 | levi | Yeah, it's a make thing. |
| 23:22.38 | levi | I don't recall exactly what it does, but I do recall that it's defined by make. |
| 23:32.09 | goozbach | I must say that "dump" is an awesome command |
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| 23:37.46 | atoponce | how can i enter unicode on the command line? |
| 23:37.52 | atoponce | using gnome-terminal |
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| 23:46.23 | findlay | atoponce: good question |
| 23:47.00 | atoponce | findlay: thx. know how? |
| 23:47.10 | findlay | when you find out, send me an email of every utf-32 character in a mosaic of the Statue of Liberty |
| 23:47.12 | herlo | http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3998/rrhl3.jpg |
| 23:47.15 | beandog | atoponce: if you find out, tell me. |
| 23:47.28 | Tene | atoponce: what are you wanting to type? |
| 23:47.33 | findlay | yea, me too |
| 23:47.44 | atoponce | Tene: any utf-8 character |
| 23:48.22 | atoponce | gnome-terminal can read them, but i want to type them |
| 23:49.10 | findlay | heh, my gnome-terminal can't even read them |
| 23:49.36 | findlay | I have to go to xterm to do anything real |
| 23:49.40 | Tene | I type some unicode chars using a key set to 'compose' |
| 23:49.47 | Tene | «,»,etc |
| 23:50.19 | atoponce | how? |
| 23:50.42 | Tene | hit the key I have assigned to 'compose' and then hit two other keys |
| 23:50.49 | Tene | << « |
| 23:50.53 | goozbach | herlo: what is that a picture of? |
| 23:50.54 | Tene | >> » |
| 23:51.13 | Tene | atoponce: I set it in the gnome keyboard config thing |
| 23:51.43 | herlo | goozbach: dunno, was just doing stumbleupon |
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| 23:52.01 | atoponce | Tene: ahh |
| 23:52.26 | Tene | I think in gtk apps you can hold, like, ctrl+shift and type numbers, oslt |
| 23:52.51 | atoponce | yeah. i was reading that, but can't get it to work. maybe i'm entering the wrong hex values |
