| 00:02.10 | graphyx | in vim, I know that :g/pat/d will delete the line that the pattern is found on for the entire file, but how do I delete that line and the previous 4 and the following 3? |
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| 00:16.29 | scott_ | so this tree map library is going to be GPLed, and the authors says that if it's going to be used in a commercial or closed source application then you have to buy a license. Do internal business applications count as commercial? |
| 00:16.40 | maquis | ~spell labelled |
| 00:18.34 | macnewbold | scott_: if it is GPL'd you can always use it under the terms of the GPL, no restrictions about business/commercial use apply if it is under the GPL |
| 00:18.46 | macnewbold | however, they might be saying they'll let you keep your app closed source by licensing it |
| 00:19.01 | macnewbold | if you're using it internally and not redistributing it though, you can keep it closed source anyway, under the GPL |
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| 00:20.37 | scott_ | thanks |
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| 00:23.45 | graphyx | scott_: Yeah, I would say that if you keep it in house. |
| 00:23.59 | graphyx | And don't sell the application you are fine. |
| 00:24.02 | graphyx | Just like a linux install. |
| 00:24.09 | graphyx | You can use it, customize it. |
| 00:24.28 | graphyx | Just as long as you don't try to sell it or relicense it. |
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| 01:44.31 | Sargun | How do I get contacts out of this Pocket PC? |
| 01:45.57 | graphyx | delete it's memory? |
| 01:47.36 | Sargun | Heh |
| 01:47.44 | Sargun | no from the Pocket PC to my windows computer |
| 01:47.49 | Sargun | so I can put them on my treo |
| 01:54.27 | graphyx | just send me all three devices and I"ll send you back a treo with your contacts on it. |
| 01:54.40 | graphyx | cause you have more devices than you need. ;) |
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| 01:58.33 | graphyx | nice part of this presentation. |
| 01:58.37 | graphyx | Learn python in 2 slides. |
| 01:58.39 | graphyx | amuzing.. |
| 01:58.50 | graphyx | http://www.secdev.org/conf/scapy_lsm2003.pdf |
| 01:58.56 | graphyx | slides 4 and 5 |
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| 02:43.34 | goozbach | quick, what's the billling software that jayce's company relases? |
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| 02:48.42 | goozbach | NM I remembered |
| 02:48.45 | goozbach | freeside |
| 02:53.05 | com4 | what is the c/c++ ide of choice for lunix? |
| 02:53.21 | com4 | non-kde probably |
| 02:54.28 | goozbach | vi |
| 02:54.31 | goozbach | ? |
| 02:54.38 | goozbach | *shrug* |
| 02:54.44 | com4 | i like vi and vim, but those are really editors |
| 02:55.03 | goozbach | I don't remember if komodo has c/c++ goodies |
| 02:55.04 | com4 | there is the project plugin that's nice however |
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| 02:55.20 | goozbach | I REALLY liked Komodo when I used it |
| 02:55.34 | com4 | i tried it for a bit looking for a python editor and didn't like it |
| 02:55.42 | com4 | i don't remember why, maybe it was too ide-ish for python :) |
| 02:55.56 | goozbach | It weaned me. |
| 02:55.59 | com4 | it doesn't have c++ it looks like |
| 02:56.31 | scott_ | does eclipse do C++? |
| 02:56.56 | com4 | i think there's a c++ plugin for eclipse... probably netbeans too |
| 02:56.56 | goozbach | com4: what defines an IDE for you? |
| 02:57.19 | goozbach | vim 7 combined with screen is more than I need |
| 02:57.23 | com4 | and not an editor? |
| 02:58.16 | com4 | something that's gear to a specific language with syntax highlighting and stupid drop down boxes with methods and attributes |
| 02:58.34 | com4 | geared* |
| 02:58.59 | goozbach | vim7? |
| 02:59.02 | goozbach | :) |
| 02:59.04 | com4 | i realize vim and emacs and all those things are capable of this... but iwas thinking something gui-er and more visual studio-esque |
| 02:59.13 | goozbach | kate |
| 02:59.30 | com4 | link? |
| 02:59.39 | com4 | google for kate ide yields nothing |
| 03:00.51 | goozbach | kate is KDE's editor |
| 03:00.56 | com4 | oh |
| 03:01.51 | goozbach | it has an IDE mode |
| 03:02.02 | goozbach | from what I understand |
| 03:02.31 | com4 | i'll have to look at it then |
| 03:02.45 | com4 | i was hoping i could stay away from installing qt and the various kde libraries |
| 03:03.22 | goozbach | you could always use emacs |
| 03:03.44 | goozbach | but if you're going to do that, I'll just suggest vim |
| 03:03.45 | spr | "Ford, you're turning into a penguin, stop it." |
| 03:03.51 | com4 | Yeah |
| 03:04.07 | com4 | i use vim for all other programming... i just wanted something to assist me with a c++ assignment i don't wanna do |
| 03:04.18 | com4 | with friendly popups of methods and stuff so i don't always have to research it |
| 03:04.40 | com4 | some quick thing i could apt-get and use |
| 03:05.16 | goozbach | you're just looking to get out of work... |
| 03:05.20 | goozbach | I see now |
| 03:05.34 | com4 | right |
| 03:05.34 | com4 | :) |
| 03:05.58 | com4 | but they're awesome if you don't want to think about what you're doing :) |
| 03:07.15 | goozbach | bah, use qtdesigner then |
| 03:07.20 | goozbach | if you don't want to think |
| 03:07.42 | goozbach | and your problem can be defined by buttons and simple math |
| 03:08.12 | com4 | heh, i'll look into that |
| 03:08.16 | com4 | i was looking at wx designer |
| 03:08.21 | com4 | but that costs some monies |
| 03:08.45 | com4 | i'm going to head to the store, brb |
| 03:08.48 | com4 | p.s. thanks |
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| 04:31.13 | atoponce | nah nah |
| 04:31.56 | herlo | ~monkey atoponce |
| 04:32.01 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at atoponce |
| 04:32.10 | herlo | atoponce: that's what you get |
| 04:32.23 | atoponce | ~whaleslap herlo |
| 04:32.24 | ibot | ACTION beats herlo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:32.54 | herlo | ~herlo atoponce |
| 04:32.55 | ibot | ACTION pokes atoponce with a sharp needle. |
| 04:32.58 | herlo | ~findlay atoponce |
| 04:32.59 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps atoponce. |
| 04:33.16 | herlo | ~jab atoponce |
| 04:33.17 | ibot | ACTION jabs a fork in atoponce |
| 04:33.24 | herlo | ~fork atoponce |
| 04:33.26 | ibot | ACTION sticks a fork in atoponce to see if dinner's ready. |
| 04:33.56 | atoponce | ~smash herlo |
| 04:33.58 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in herlo's general direction |
| 04:34.02 | atoponce | ~shoot herlo |
| 04:34.04 | ibot | ACTION shoots herlo in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 04:34.07 | atoponce | ~blame herlo |
| 04:34.08 | ibot | ACTION blames herlo (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:34.20 | atoponce | ~nick125 herlo |
| 04:34.21 | ibot | ACTION puts herlo on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes herlo use Gentoo on there. |
| 04:34.22 | herlo | ~squash atoponce |
| 04:34.24 | levi_home | Yow, botspam. |
| 04:34.30 | nick125 | can't even beat each other up yourself, now can you?? |
| 04:34.38 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:34.41 | atoponce | ~lart nick125 |
| 04:34.43 | herlo | ~lart nick125 |
| 04:34.45 | linuxalien | haha |
| 04:34.47 | atoponce | lol |
| 04:34.49 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:34.50 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:34.54 | herlo | ~piano atoponce |
| 04:34.56 | ibot | ACTION drops a baby grand on atoponce |
| 04:35.07 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:35.25 | atoponce | ~herlo herlo |
| 04:35.26 | ibot | ACTION pokes herlo with a sharp needle. |
| 04:35.30 | Sargun | o.O |
| 04:35.35 | atoponce | ~sargun herlo |
| 04:35.36 | ibot | go away Tene |
| 04:35.58 | atoponce | ~bash herlo |
| 04:35.59 | ibot | ACTION beats herlo with ksh |
| 04:36.23 | herlo | ~atoponce atoponce |
| 04:36.32 | herlo | ~travolta atoponce |
| 04:36.33 | ibot | ACTION replaces atoponce with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 04:36.39 | herlo | atoponce: the war has just begun |
| 04:36.50 | herlo | ~whaleslap atoponce |
| 04:36.51 | ibot | ACTION beats atoponce upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:36.58 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:37.04 | nick125 | what the hell |
| 04:37.04 | nick125 | *heck |
| 04:37.17 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:37.35 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:37.46 | herlo | ~crumpet nick125 |
| 04:37.47 | ibot | ACTION shoves a crumpet down nick125's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that! |
| 04:37.56 | herlo | ~jam atoponce |
| 04:38.11 | herlo | ~smackdown atoponce |
| 04:38.18 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:38.23 | herlo | and finally |
| 04:38.27 | herlo | ~monkey atoponce |
| 04:38.29 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at atoponce |
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| 04:38.53 | nick125 | OWNED! muwhahaa |
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| 04:39.23 | maquis | :) |
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| 04:40.44 | Sargun | ? |
| 04:41.23 | herlo | asking if he can play |
| 04:41.28 | herlo | til atoponce goes crazy |
| 04:42.09 | Sargun | So, I've successfully crashed this thing twice |
| 04:42.11 | Sargun | I'm doing good. |
| 04:42.21 | herlo | nick125: thanx man, he deserved that |
| 04:43.33 | Sargun | provisioning vision |
| 04:44.40 | Sargun | I'll use snappermail on there |
| 04:44.54 | nick125 | atoponce: yes, you can :) |
| 04:45.24 | atoponce | ~spell invincible |
| 04:45.32 | atoponce | ahh. i was right |
| 04:45.39 | herlo | atoponce: it is correct |
| 04:45.43 | atoponce | doesn't look right though... |
| 04:45.48 | herlo | it is |
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| 05:03.35 | Sargun | Ladida, I wonder when they are gunna push the IOTA |
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| 05:04.50 | elg | any gl gurus? |
| 05:06.33 | Sargun | elg, What do you need a GL guru for? |
| 05:06.48 | elg | i can't figure out what the heck is going on in my code |
| 05:07.29 | levi_home | My guess is that it is attempting, but failing, to correctly render a 3-d image. |
| 05:07.36 | elg | I'm trying to set the viewpoint, and I can see the triangle just fine if I translate to 0,0,5.99999999 but the moment I go to 0,0,6 it disappears |
| 05:07.49 | Sargun | Thats not good. |
| 05:08.00 | elg | same story on the other side |
| 05:08.07 | elg | 4 works I think, but 3 doesn't |
| 05:08.26 | elg | and the eye is _supposed_ to be at 0,0,5. so it must be myopic |
| 05:08.29 | elg | severely |
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| 13:41.05 | goozbach | gl as in openGL |
| 13:41.12 | goozbach | not GL as in GuruLabs |
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| 13:44.10 | graphyx | Ok, scapy is such a freaking cool network probing tool that I am going to have to learn python just to be able to use that tool more efficiently. |
| 13:44.22 | goozbach | but the two slides |
| 13:44.29 | goozbach | that's all the python you have to know |
| 13:44.30 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:09.45 | graphyx | yeah, well.... you know. |
| 14:09.53 | graphyx | THat is if you don't want to get custom reports and such. |
| 14:12.17 | goozbach | didn't you see the people |
| 14:12.18 | goozbach | ? |
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| 14:26.53 | graphyx | goozbach: what people? |
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| 14:33.08 | goozbach | people magaizine |
| 14:33.24 | goozbach | http://www.derrickcomedy.com |
| 14:33.40 | goozbach | look at the skits |
| 14:33.43 | goozbach | funny stuff |
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| 14:52.11 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
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| 15:02.42 | graphyx | goozbach: daughters was rather amuzing. |
| 15:07.14 | mheath[laptop] | Wow. Nervousness effects heart rate a lot |
| 15:07.33 | mheath[laptop] | I almost failed my physical yesterday for high blood pressure and rapid pulse. I usually have rather low blood pressure. |
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| 15:10.55 | ^Migs^ | sweet deal if you like rebates: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1071020&sku=ULT31664 |
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| 15:20.23 | elg | it's even compatible with vista |
| 15:21.20 | ^Migs^ | omgwow |
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| 15:36.33 | graphyx | windows vista compatible memory... |
| 15:36.34 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 15:36.53 | graphyx | Next thing we will have to find windows vista compatible keyboards. |
| 15:37.06 | graphyx | and windows vista compatible case face plates. |
| 15:38.16 | graphyx | I just figured that since the memory type was dictated by the mobo and proc, that having a mobo and proc being windows certified would be sufficient. |
| 15:38.22 | phinux | I need to send a message to someone logged into a machine remotely. When I use "write username" I'm told the user isn't logged in. Anyone know a command for communicating with remote users? |
| 15:38.35 | graphyx | wall? |
| 15:38.40 | graphyx | That should get everyone. |
| 15:38.57 | goozbach | talk |
| 15:39.08 | goozbach | but if write won't work talk isn't likely |
| 15:39.34 | elg | phinux: rm -rf / should get their attention |
| 15:40.12 | graphyx | I was thinking killall xterm or something like that. |
| 15:43.36 | phinux | Actually, I want to alert the user that I'm going to kill them if he doesn't kill himself in the next five minutes. |
| 15:43.48 | phinux | s/them/him |
| 15:44.00 | graphyx | just wait 5 minutes and do it. |
| 15:44.13 | graphyx | wall "System going down in 5 minutes" |
| 15:44.17 | graphyx | And then just kill him. |
| 15:44.45 | phinux | There's other users on the system who don't deserve to be killed. |
| 15:45.10 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 15:45.23 | graphyx | I guess I shouldn't promote BOFH methodology. |
| 15:46.17 | phinux | Don't get me wrong, I love being a BOFH. But only to people who deserve it. |
| 15:46.28 | goozbach | you could set up an iptables rule with --user |
| 15:46.30 | phinux | Thanks anyway. User is just going to get killed. |
| 15:46.32 | goozbach | fun switch |
| 15:46.42 | goozbach | only bob cannot send packets |
| 15:48.23 | graphyx | that would suck to troubleshoot. |
| 15:48.31 | jsmith | goozbach: That's a good one ;-) I'll have to remember that |
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| 16:33.31 | Sargun | sleep. I mean school, I am off to. |
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| 16:45.42 | scothoser | Morning everyone! |
| 16:46.14 | redbeard1 | it is morning. |
| 16:48.30 | ^Migs^ | I agree with scothoser & redbeard1 |
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| 16:50.12 | scothoser | Mensch, it was a bugger of a commute today. |
| 16:51.33 | goozbach | this new hard-drive based backup thingy from dell looks pretty cool |
| 16:51.52 | goozbach | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pvaul_rd1000?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd |
| 16:53.09 | maquis | ~lart redbeard1 and goozbach |
| 16:53.57 | goozbach | but but but!!! |
| 16:53.58 | goozbach | ... |
| 16:54.07 | maquis | goozbach: sup? |
| 16:54.07 | goozbach | I was told I could get some cake.. |
| 16:54.25 | redbeard1 | goozbach: no cake for you! |
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| 17:04.10 | goozbach | just chillin |
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| 17:10.22 | maquis | ~foxtrot |
| 17:10.45 | maquis | ~foxtrot is a great source of entertainment |
| 17:10.46 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 17:12.32 | levi | I have AIGLX and beryl running. Yay. |
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| 17:22.44 | atoponce | maquis: foxttrot is great |
| 17:22.52 | atoponce | s/xt/t/ |
| 17:23.00 | atoponce | haha. |
| 17:23.41 | redbeard1 | ~foxtrot |
| 17:23.42 | ibot | it has been said that foxtrot is a great source of entertainment |
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| 17:26.31 | maquis | atoponce: i like today's |
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| 18:07.42 | emcnabb | woohoo, officially pressed FC6 DVDs |
| 18:09.55 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: dude, how'd you get those? it's like you have some sort of inside connection or something. |
| 18:12.40 | redbeard1 | funny way to advertise one's self: Patrick Haney, Not a Sausage |
| 18:12.41 | emcnabb | I should go get some more |
| 18:12.43 | redbeard1 | http://patrickhaney.com/ |
| 18:12.48 | emcnabb | they have boxes of them downstairs |
| 18:13.42 | emcnabb | maybe I should get some for the PLUG/UUG/SLLUG/*UG |
| 18:13.50 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: yes, you should |
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| 18:20.41 | dilvie | New DNB album out on the Knobtweakers Netlabel. Free download. |
| 18:20.43 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/netlabel/2006/11/ktwk003-simon-v-digital-christmas.html |
| 18:22.16 | emcnabb | redbeard1: done |
| 18:22.23 | emcnabb | I'll mail them out to Andrew |
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| 18:28.39 | ^Migs^ | why is everyone so obsessed with eating lunch? |
| 18:29.03 | goozbach | emcnabb: how about for LUGOT? |
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| 18:31.19 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Cause they are hungry? |
| 18:32.42 | goozbach | I blame canada for all the hunger in my tummy |
| 18:33.02 | graphyx | ~blamebush hunger |
| 18:33.11 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that hunger. |
| 18:36.24 | Jayce^ | goozbach, what about a loogie? |
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| 18:40.18 | emcnabb | goozbach: that would require me to go back downstairs |
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| 18:51.18 | graphyx | herlo what are you up to these days? |
| 18:52.22 | herlo | writing books |
| 18:52.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a DHTML popup tutorial that doesn't suck? |
| 18:52.26 | herlo | graphyx: you? |
| 18:52.49 | graphyx | Just keeping busy. |
| 18:53.01 | graphyx | Worked ~30 extra hours this pay period for contract work. |
| 18:53.04 | graphyx | Trying to pay for Christmas. |
| 18:55.30 | herlo | graphyx: wow |
| 18:56.30 | graphyx | Well with 2.5 days off for Thansgiving it wasn't that much extra time really. |
| 18:56.43 | graphyx | we got thurs and firday off normal. |
| 18:56.55 | graphyx | But wednesday noon they said, ok guys, lets get out of here. |
| 18:56.59 | graphyx | and I obliged. |
| 18:58.26 | emcnabb | graphyx: so what are you getting me for Christmas? |
| 18:58.26 | graphyx | same thing I got you last year, except twice as much. |
| 18:58.28 | emcnabb | nice! |
| 18:58.32 | graphyx | Yeah.. |
| 18:58.37 | emcnabb | you're a true pal |
| 18:58.45 | emcnabb | how about 5 times as much? |
| 18:58.48 | emcnabb | be generous |
| 18:58.48 | graphyx | You are too kind. |
| 18:59.05 | graphyx | Don't know if I can pull off that much. |
| 18:59.13 | emcnabb | work a few more hours |
| 18:59.15 | graphyx | I mean, I'm running really low on BS. |
| 18:59.31 | graphyx | Been having to write too many reports recently. |
| 18:59.46 | emcnabb | there are plenty of cows in Arkansas |
| 18:59.48 | graphyx | I guess I should just sit down and watch some of the political commentary to fill back up. |
| 19:00.16 | graphyx | Hey, who is on linkedin? |
| 19:00.27 | graphyx | I want to link up with my IRC friends and such.. |
| 19:00.36 | graphyx | pm me if you want. |
| 19:00.51 | Lone_Wanderer | heh for a second I thought you said "pwn me if you want" |
| 19:01.02 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce Lone_Wanderer |
| 19:01.09 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs Lone_Wanderer in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 19:01.30 | Lone_Wanderer | So clever ;p |
| 19:01.38 | emcnabb | graphyx: I've been invited to LinkedIn many times, but don't see the point |
| 19:02.02 | emcnabb | it's just a social networking site for businessmen, right? |
| 19:02.28 | levi | I am apparently not social in a way that benefits from 'social networking' sites. |
| 19:02.38 | jsmith | levi: Amen to that! |
| 19:02.48 | emcnabb | I used Orkut when it first came out, and it turned out to be a disaster |
| 19:03.53 | levi | I tried orkut and friendster and, after the initial novelty, never used them again. |
| 19:04.03 | emcnabb | levi: yup |
| 19:04.07 | levi | I haven't bothered with any others since. |
| 19:04.51 | emcnabb | then I had about 300 brazilian chicks email me because they wanted to "be mi frend!" |
| 19:05.06 | ^Migs^ | who added this dumb password auditing forward email? Everytime someone changes their password in the district, I get emailed about it. |
| 19:05.48 | emcnabb | does anyone on #utah know who changed the dumb password auditing forward email? it's emailing ^Migs^ each time! |
| 19:06.40 | ^Migs^ | *sigh* |
| 19:06.55 | ^Migs^ | I like to vent. You know this. It keeps me from smacking the crap out of my coworkers. |
| 19:07.07 | ^Migs^ | you don't really WANT me to go to jail, do you? |
| 19:07.53 | emcnabb | no comment |
| 19:09.38 | ^Migs^ | wow, I just coded a huge monstrous mini-app without testing along the way, and on the first time I tested it, it turned out bug-free. Mad propz 2 Migs! |
| 19:10.27 | emcnabb | ~hail the PHP guru man |
| 19:10.35 | ibot | ACTION bows down to the PHP guru man and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 19:27.53 | agoranewbie | hi all |
| 19:27.58 | emcnabb | hi |
| 19:28.09 | agoranewbie | am i in AGORAcart channel? |
| 19:28.30 | emcnabb | no |
| 19:28.38 | agoranewbie | oh....thx |
| 19:29.22 | agoranewbie | does anyone know anything about agora shopping cart? |
| 19:31.27 | elg | there was a strip mall in my community called agora once |
| 19:31.40 | elg | but it wasn't in Utah |
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| 19:34.21 | emcnabb | "Access to Global Online Research in Agriculture"? |
| 19:35.08 | tensai | I smell another Acronym Challenge brewing |
| 19:36.41 | tensai | wow, that's a hard one though. I'm coming up empty. |
| 19:38.41 | ^Migs^ | "Asynchronous Global Optical Resource Array" |
| 19:38.50 | jsmith | Amazingly Green Orbs in Rectangular Array |
| 19:38.57 | ^Migs^ | "Asinine Gum-chewing Oddity Resource for Apathy" |
| 19:40.09 | dilvie | A Gross Over Reaction to Radical Antidepresants |
| 19:40.21 | dilvie | woops |
| 19:40.23 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 19:40.23 | dilvie | 2 rs |
| 19:40.26 | ^Migs^ | close |
| 19:40.30 | dilvie | I'm still asleep |
| 19:40.35 | ^Migs^ | no you're not |
| 19:40.50 | dilvie | well, the part that counts is still asleep |
| 19:41.02 | elg_ | AGORA's Gust Onother Razy Acronym |
| 19:41.11 | dilvie | haha |
| 19:41.15 | dilvie | elg FTW! |
| 19:41.58 | ^Migs^ | recursive acronyms pwn |
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| 19:42.45 | jsmith | AGORA Goes On Rolling Along? |
| 19:43.06 | elg_ | AGORA Gives Other Researchers Acid |
| 19:43.15 | dilvie | All Good Oboes Rock AGORA |
| 19:45.39 | herlo | AGORA Goes On Record As |
| 19:45.53 | dilvie | Anchorage Got Obtuse Riches Artfully |
| 19:46.33 | dilvie | for a bridge to nowhere |
| 19:46.36 | dilvie | yay! |
| 19:46.37 | dilvie | =) |
| 19:47.25 | levi | All Good Oranges Really Are |
| 19:47.48 | elg_ | ιτ'σ αλλ γρεεκ το με |
| 19:47.55 | ^Migs^ | IAW elg |
| 19:48.22 | elg_ | σορρυ ^ΜΙΓΣ^, Ι δον'τ ηαωε υοθρ αψρονυμ ωοψαβθλαρυ. |
| 19:48.27 | ^Migs^ | IDAW elg |
| 19:48.36 | elg_ | sι |
| 20:03.48 | amcnabb | elg, I could read the first one without thinking; the second one is harder. |
| 20:04.01 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6191462.stm |
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| 20:05.33 | levi | Cool, the Antikythera Mechanism. |
| 20:05.51 | elg_ | my wife needs spanish practice and it seems wrong to IM her in spanish without the accents |
| 20:06.01 | elg_ | it works ok for people who know spanish and don't mind that you're a lazy bum |
| 20:06.10 | elg_ | but it's too confusing for a student I think |
| 20:07.11 | elg_ | møøse |
| 20:18.37 | elg_ | I love it. ls output chokes on unicode characters, but ls | cat displays them properly |
| 20:20.11 | graphyx | elg: When I do italian, I will often just be lazy and instead of having an e with and ` over it I will just do e' |
| 20:20.30 | graphyx | no italian has ever said a word about the difference. |
| 20:20.45 | elg | osx makes it easy. the spanish keyboard layout is now one key combo away |
| 20:20.53 | elg | and it only switches to spanish in the current application |
| 20:21.02 | elg | so i can code in english and chat in spanish |
| 20:21.13 | elg | hey, I could even switch to dvorak only in irc |
| 20:21.32 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 20:21.34 | graphyx | That's cool. |
| 20:21.38 | graphyx | But I bet confusing. |
| 20:21.58 | elg | perhaps, but it'll give me a way to practice without being unproductive. this is awesome |
| 20:22.06 | graphyx | sure. |
| 20:22.16 | atoponce | elg: you should switch to dvorak for everything... :) |
| 20:22.38 | atoponce | s/elg/#utah/ |
| 20:22.56 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:23.04 | graphyx | ibot, switch to dvorak!!! |
| 20:23.24 | maquis | atoponce: but i like hjkl being all in a row |
| 20:23.26 | atoponce | ~dvorak |
| 20:23.28 | ibot | hmm... dvorak is a keyboard layout. For info and an input method for Qpe visit http://cowgar.com/ipaq/ |
| 20:23.46 | atoponce | maquis: and the ; on the home row. don't forget about that! |
| 20:24.03 | graphyx | hey, a lot of us use ; on a regular basis. |
| 20:24.09 | maquis | graphyx: agreed |
| 20:24.17 | graphyx | print "Don't you?"; |
| 20:24.41 | maquis | i've always wondered why vim decided on hjkl instead of jkl; |
| 20:24.49 | atoponce | echo "only when coding" && "only once per line"; |
| 20:25.00 | graphyx | for i in `list #utah`; do ; echo "Don't you, $i"; done; |
| 20:25.20 | graphyx | wow.. just blew out your once per line statement. ;) |
| 20:25.31 | maquis | :) |
| 20:25.33 | atoponce | still, silly nonetheless. |
| 20:25.39 | graphyx | heh.. |
| 20:25.44 | atoponce | having the ; on the home row is retarded |
| 20:25.47 | graphyx | Thanks for being a good sport about it. |
| 20:25.57 | graphyx | I am sure that there would be a better key there. |
| 20:26.03 | graphyx | atoponce: You should just switch to dvorak |
| 20:26.24 | graphyx | And laugh at all of us qwerty users. |
| 20:26.35 | graphyx | is qwerty the official name? |
| 20:26.43 | maquis | graphyx: i believe so... |
| 20:27.04 | atoponce | it's the nick. "the sholes layout" would be the proper term |
| 20:27.16 | atoponce | graphyx: and i *do* use dvorak |
| 20:27.18 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:27.24 | graphyx | atoponce: Oh, ok. |
| 20:27.27 | graphyx | then laugh away! |
| 20:27.33 | atoponce | have for almost a year now |
| 20:28.04 | atoponce | graphyx: dvzine.org <-- cool little web comic about dvorak vs qwerty |
| 20:28.35 | atoponce | really informative though |
| 20:29.08 | maquis | our business analyst just had a funny reaction to my joking-remark about how much fun it must be to work with a bunch of devs who are such great communicators... |
| 20:29.19 | maquis | i get the impression that he was trying to determine if i was serious or joking |
| 20:29.55 | atoponce | lol |
| 20:31.47 | maquis | it's been > 1 week since all of us on the project have been in the office at the same time |
| 20:31.54 | maquis | so, communication has been... sketchy |
| 20:33.13 | atoponce | fun tidbit about qwerty: the word 'typewriter' was put on the top row to make selling the machine easier |
| 20:34.01 | maquis | interesting |
| 20:36.46 | ^Migs^ | FLU SHOT TIME! |
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| 20:36.52 | graphyx | atoponce: What about a cli version to switch to dvorak layout? |
| 20:37.01 | graphyx | I hit up servers via ssh all the time. |
| 20:37.15 | graphyx | Also, do you have issues with switching between dvorak and qwerty? |
| 20:37.22 | atoponce | cli version? what do you mean? |
| 20:37.43 | atoponce | no. the only time i have to switch, is when sitting at someone else's computer |
| 20:38.18 | atoponce | if it's linux, it's easy to set: 'setxkbmap dvorak' and 'setxkbmap us' |
| 20:39.45 | graphyx | that work on command line? |
| 20:39.47 | graphyx | bash? |
| 20:39.56 | graphyx | got a link for a good keyboard layout to print. |
| 20:39.57 | graphyx | ? |
| 20:40.45 | atoponce | yeah |
| 20:41.01 | atoponce | yeah. hold on |
| 20:41.41 | atoponce | http://members.networld.com/dvorak/dvorak-keyboard_com.gif |
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| 20:44.30 | graphyx | Ok cool. |
| 20:45.37 | graphyx | only problem will be the password patterns I have ingrained into my keyboard usage. |
| 20:45.44 | graphyx | they aren't characters anymore. |
| 20:45.46 | graphyx | Just patterns. |
| 20:45.55 | SB1-Work | Same with me, heh |
| 20:46.12 | SB1-Work | I can type in the pitch black because of it... and that's the primary reason why I don't even want to try to switch |
| 20:46.19 | SB1-Work | I'd be reduced to nothing for months |
| 20:47.43 | atoponce | yeah. password patterns take some getting used to |
| 20:47.57 | atoponce | but honestly, you'd be up and running in about 2 weeks |
| 20:52.09 | atoponce | if you're a ctrl-x,v,c and z person, though, you'll be introduced to shift-insert, shift-delete and ctrl-insert.... |
| 20:52.32 | atoponce | because x, v, c and z are scattered across the keyboard on dvorak |
| 20:53.08 | graphyx | I do shift insert already. |
| 20:53.21 | amcnabb | atoponce: how about middle-click?? |
| 20:53.37 | amcnabb | I don't know this ctrl-v thing. :) |
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| 20:54.24 | SB1-Work | I use shift+insert already, but I've gone out of my way to disable middle click |
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| 20:55.15 | levi | I hate the X copy/paste model. |
| 20:55.23 | SB1-Work | Agreed, 100% |
| 20:55.43 | SB1-Work | Nothing agitates me more than selecting a block of text and middle clicking - not trying to do anything, just messing around/bored |
| 20:55.52 | SB1-Work | And wind up on some completly unrelated webpage (firefox) |
| 20:56.13 | levi | Yeah, I hate that behavior of firefox too. |
| 20:56.29 | SB1-Work | about:config, search "contentLoadURL" |
| 20:56.30 | SB1-Work | set to false |
| 20:56.52 | SB1-Work | middlemouse.contentLoadURL is the full string |
| 20:57.32 | levi | I mostly hate how you can't replace a selection with another selection. |
| 20:57.44 | levi | (in the X copy/paste model) |
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| 20:58.24 | findlay-w | good morning |
| 20:58.44 | levi | findlay-w probably loves the X copy/paste model. |
| 20:58.49 | amcnabb | levi: I agree that that's annoying. But if it's just a normal copy/paste, it's really easy. |
| 20:58.49 | findlay-w | ~date |
| 20:58.52 | ibot | It is now 2006.11.29 20:58:52 GMT |
| 20:58.56 | graphyx | hmm... should I get out my old mavis beacon typing tutor to learn to type in dvorak? |
| 20:59.09 | graphyx | That would be slightly confusing having the keyboard on the screen be the wrong one. |
| 20:59.36 | findlay-w | I like the fact that a cursor text select gets an automatic clipboard buffer |
| 20:59.38 | atoponce | graphyx: if running linux, there is gtypist |
| 20:59.40 | graphyx | Ok I'll take a stab at it. |
| 20:59.45 | atoponce | text-based, and can be run in screen |
| 20:59.51 | graphyx | really? |
| 20:59.53 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 20:59.55 | levi | amcnabb: I actually replace one thing with another more than otherwise. |
| 21:00.28 | findlay-w | levi: then you get an alternative clipboard option |
| 21:00.35 | atoponce | graphyx: gtypist got me going on dvorak |
| 21:00.40 | atoponce | it's cool |
| 21:00.51 | graphyx | atoponce: |
| 21:00.51 | graphyx | mike@webhostv2:~$ setxkbmap dvorak |
| 21:00.51 | graphyx | -bash: setxkbmap: command not found |
| 21:01.05 | levi | findlay-w: I do. I use OS X and Gnome. But having the stupid broken X clipboard hanging around and acting inconsistently with the other is really annoying. |
| 21:01.09 | atoponce | graphyx: what distro? |
| 21:01.13 | graphyx | debian |
| 21:02.49 | graphyx | if you can get me the package name I can install it. |
| 21:03.03 | findlay-w | apt-get xkbutils |
| 21:03.24 | atoponce | apt-get install xkbutils |
| 21:03.28 | graphyx | you mean apt-get install xkbutils |
| 21:03.38 | graphyx | package not found. |
| 21:03.42 | atoponce | s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 21:03.48 | atoponce | :) |
| 21:04.08 | graphyx | you know what.. nvm. |
| 21:04.13 | graphyx | I can do without the cli switchover. |
| 21:04.13 | findlay-w | levi: I don't understand what you're saying. The X clipboard is only activated when you middle click. How can it even get in the way? |
| 21:04.19 | graphyx | windows will interprete the keyboard for me. |
| 21:05.37 | findlay-w | at least that's what I always thought. Any application worth its salt won't break that behavior by querying the X clipboard for <ctrl>+v commands |
| 21:06.03 | atoponce | i thought it was xkbutils, not i'm not so sure |
| 21:06.54 | findlay-w | that's what it is in ubuntu anyway |
| 21:07.27 | atoponce | unum: ping |
| 21:07.47 | unum | atoponce: pong |
| 21:08.00 | findlay-w | pang |
| 21:08.12 | atoponce | what package from debian contains 'setxkbmap'? |
| 21:08.20 | atoponce | is it 'xbase-clients'? |
| 21:08.35 | unum | dpkg -? setxkbmap |
| 21:08.39 | findlay-w | ~find setxkbdmap |
| 21:08.49 | unum | the ? means a letter I can't remember |
| 21:09.13 | atoponce | -c for contents? |
| 21:09.13 | brac | dunno |
| 21:09.30 | findlay-w | wait for it |
| 21:09.31 | unum | -S |
| 21:09.41 | unum | for search |
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| 21:12.02 | atoponce | ahh. cool |
| 21:12.02 | atoponce | thx |
| 21:12.02 | atoponce | getting graphyx to dvorak, and he is having trouble with 'setxkbmap dvorak' command not found |
| 21:12.02 | atoponce | we just needed the package name for debian |
| 21:12.30 | graphyx | its ok |
| 21:12.45 | findlay-w | 14:11 <ibot_> failed. |
| 21:12.47 | findlay-w | heh |
| 21:12.51 | unum | xbase-clients: /usr/bin/setxkbmap |
| 21:13.12 | graphyx | I can just work with what I have. |
| 21:13.28 | findlay-w | ~find setxkbdmap |
| 21:14.18 | graphyx | Ok, I have only just begun, but I like itv |
| 21:14.20 | graphyx | . |
| 21:15.16 | graphyx | Punctuation will probably come last. |
| 21:15.29 | atoponce | the biggest thing i noticed about dvorak is how comfortable i was typing |
| 21:15.32 | atoponce | it was like night and day |
| 21:16.27 | graphyx | but I doubt that i will have problems with the m keyv |
| 21:16.51 | graphyx | Where is the /? |
| 21:16.56 | graphyx | on dvorak? |
| 21:18.11 | atoponce | [ |
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| 21:18.37 | graphyx | Ok the keyboard layout sheet wasn't cear on that one. |
| 21:18.38 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 21:18.48 | findlay-w | ~play Dvorak's 6th symphony |
| 21:19.29 | atoponce | graphyx: you'll do a lot of hunting the first few days... :) |
| 21:19.44 | graphyx | I didn't know that he wrote music as well. |
| 21:20.04 | graphyx | atoponce: I expect it. |
| 21:20.08 | atoponce | ~lart findlay-w for confusing graphyx |
| 21:20.29 | findlay-w | atoponce: so are you going to help me flash my calculator? (-: |
| 21:20.37 | atoponce | yeah |
| 21:20.41 | graphyx | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:20.48 | graphyx | heh... |
| 21:20.55 | findlay-w | great, now theres' two of them |
| 21:21.14 | atoponce | findlay-w: i'll bring my sd card to the family party, if you want to wait until then |
| 21:21.16 | findlay-w | s/t// |
| 21:21.23 | graphyx | hin lart shield doesn't work. |
| 21:21.24 | findlay-w | s/t//g |
| 21:21.30 | findlay-w | hehe |
| 21:21.52 | graphyx | s/din/his/ |
| 21:22.01 | findlay-w | graphyx: maybe just not on ibot_ |
| 21:22.30 | findlay-w | atoponce: no rush |
| 21:22.38 | atoponce | ok |
| 21:22.41 | graphyx | findlay-w: Yes I know. |
| 21:22.42 | findlay-w | I've only got boring math classes anyway |
| 21:23.35 | atoponce | s/boring/exhilerating/ |
| 21:24.23 | graphyx | see, even jsmith doesnt like math. |
| 21:24.36 | findlay-w | 1210 is hardly exhilerating |
| 21:24.37 | levi | I was going to save half of my Cafe Rio burrito for tomorrow, but I couldn't stop eating. |
| 21:25.01 | atoponce | findlay-w: calc 1? |
| 21:25.07 | atoponce | i loved that class |
| 21:25.15 | graphyx | atoponce: Ok, I think that you have a new convert. |
| 21:25.28 | atoponce | graphyx: cool. welcome aboard |
| 21:25.42 | atoponce | graphyx: just don't switch between the two layouts. it'll kill you |
| 21:25.44 | findlay-w | atoponce: I liked it too, the first time |
| 21:25.52 | atoponce | ahh. i see. :( |
| 21:25.55 | herlo | ~fat levi |
| 21:26.09 | graphyx | and yes I do like the non stress feel. |
| 21:26.15 | herlo | ibot: is levi now fat from eating his whole burrito? |
| 21:26.18 | findlay-w | graphyx: really? |
| 21:26.26 | graphyx | yes |
| 21:27.03 | graphyx | atoponce: what do you mean that it will kill meZ |
| 21:27.09 | graphyx | ? |
| 21:27.19 | levi | herlo: Not fat, but stuffed. |
| 21:27.20 | graphyx | I don't think that I will have a problem with it. |
| 21:27.30 | graphyx | I have done the multiple languages thing in my head. |
| 21:27.38 | findlay-w | just expect wierdly constructed words from graphyx from now on |
| 21:27.54 | graphyx | I just will not try to do multiple languages while trying different keyboard layouts at the same time. |
| 21:27.57 | graphyx | that would be messy. |
| 21:28.06 | atoponce | graphyx: the keyboard is different though. i have spoken other languages, and that's not really a problem. the keyboard is different |
| 21:28.15 | atoponce | i can't explain it. |
| 21:28.44 | graphyx | findlay-w: Shame on you. |
| 21:28.55 | atoponce | it will slow your dvorak typing speed though. trust me. i know. i switched back and forth for about 5 months before learning the error of my ways |
| 21:28.57 | findlay-w | graphyx: (-: |
| 21:29.33 | graphyx | It could. I'll see. I have typed qwerty for 19 years. I don't think it will hurt too much. |
| 21:29.34 | herlo | levi: just checking, you weren't fat before... |
| 21:29.53 | graphyx | like I said I have done the language switching in my head. I just have to learn to type switch as well. |
| 21:30.44 | atoponce | graphyx: well, until you can type dvorak at a decent pace, you'll be using qwerty anyway. just when you reach a good speed, ditch qwerty. it's only doing you harm anyway. |
| 21:31.09 | atoponce | decent pace >= 30wpm for me |
| 21:31.20 | graphyx | So stop asking me things that I feel that I have to respond to. |
| 21:31.39 | graphyx | :) |
| 21:31.55 | atoponce | lol. i'm helping you practice... :D |
| 21:32.09 | graphyx | bleh |
| 21:32.41 | mheath[laptop] | I wish court records were electronic. |
| 21:32.46 | mheath[laptop] | This is a massive pain. |
| 21:34.34 | graphyx | the letters on the keyboard keep messing me up. |
| 21:35.21 | mheath[laptop] | graphyx, I had trouble with that too. |
| 21:35.39 | herlo | graphyx: stop using the keyboard then |
| 21:35.40 | graphyx | not that I ever needed them before. |
| 21:35.51 | mheath[laptop] | graphyx, It'll confuse the heck out of people that try to use your computer, though |
| 21:36.13 | graphyx | herlo: I dont use the kb. |
| 21:36.25 | herlo | graphyx: mind meld? |
| 21:36.33 | mheath[laptop] | "kb"? Thats lazy. I thought we were supposed to be learning to type. |
| 21:36.36 | graphyx | normally. |
| 21:36.54 | graphyx | mheath[laptop]: go away. |
| 21:37.18 | herlo | graphyx: /ignore mheath[laptop] |
| 21:37.48 | mheath[laptop] | graphyx will now spend the better part of the afternoon figuring out how to type / [ and ] on his new keyboard mapping ;-) |
| 21:37.59 | graphyx | I don't use the letters on the keyboard. |
| 21:38.14 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.16 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.23 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.58 | graphyx | whats so special about those letters? |
| 21:39.21 | atoponce | the fact that their not letters? :) |
| 21:39.39 | mheath[laptop] | Much as "their" is not "they're". ;-) |
| 21:39.56 | atoponce | even then! |
| 21:40.01 | graphyx | yeah this is new, but I will get it in the end. |
| 21:40.27 | mheath[laptop] | I'm sure you are all going to be thrilled with the concept of me running a nuclear reactor. |
| 21:41.46 | herlo | graphyx: are you trying to do regex? |
| 21:41.46 | graphyx | mheath[laptop]: most of the time, you don't get the job that they promise. |
| 21:42.17 | mheath[laptop] | graphyx, I do when that job has a 25% attrition rate and I have an extremely high ASVAB score. |
| 21:42.41 | Tene | ~dict attrition |
| 21:42.44 | SB1-Work | How high is high? |
| 21:42.49 | graphyx | herlo: no, just showing that I know where thone letters are. |
| 21:43.18 | graphyx | s/thone/those/ |
| 21:43.21 | mheath[laptop] | There is one thing stopping me: They look at highschool Math grades, and I have a bad grade in my Calculus class |
| 21:43.27 | mheath[laptop] | I'm applying for a waiver for that, though. |
| 21:43.33 | elg | atoponce: I'm a dvorak advocate, and I do know it sort of. I was up to 20wpm once |
| 21:43.49 | elg | i've never been able to completely switch, for various practical reasons |
| 21:43.56 | mheath[laptop] | SB1-Work, I don't know what the USN line scores are; the cumulative score was a 96. |
| 21:44.16 | graphyx | elg: cool |
| 21:44.18 | elg | mostly involving writing code |
| 21:44.23 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], that's really extremely high? |
| 21:44.28 | elg | which you have to admit dvorak was not designed for |
| 21:44.45 | mheath[laptop] | SB1-Work, Yes. An average score is in the 70s. |
| 21:44.52 | mheath[laptop] | Anything above 90 is high |
| 21:44.56 | graphyx | elg, I will learn it the way that I learned qwerty. |
| 21:44.58 | elg | and unix sysadmin becomes an issue too. not a big issue, but typing ls a thousand times a day with your right pinky becomes very unfun |
| 21:44.59 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], wow, people are complete idiots then |
| 21:45.07 | mheath[laptop] | When I went into the USMC, my recruiter (who'd recruited for 4 years) said I had the highest line scores he'd ever seen |
| 21:45.20 | graphyx | chatting online |
| 21:45.29 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], I'd have to find the copy of results that I have, but I'm quite sure I scored >100 |
| 21:45.47 | mheath[laptop] | SB1-Work, I was talking about the cummulative score, which caps out at 99. |
| 21:45.54 | elg | so I'm excited for the opportunity to learn dvorak without losing productivity in other areas |
| 21:45.59 | elg | at least until I get up to speed |
| 21:46.08 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], hmm, I'll have to go find my results sheet |
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| 21:46.19 | elg | will I learn dvorak slower? slower compared to what? compared to the last 10 years I've been trying to learn dvorak? |
| 21:46.19 | mheath[laptop] | There are various 'line scores' (computations of individual sections) which are higher than 99, |
| 21:46.24 | SB1-Work | Ah |
| 21:46.25 | graphyx | elg: what has changed? |
| 21:46.26 | mheath[laptop] | And i believe the various sections are higher than 9 |
| 21:46.29 | SB1-Work | That makes a little more sense |
| 21:46.31 | mheath[laptop] | *99 |
| 21:46.52 | elg | graphyx: osx lets you switch keyboard layouts on a per-application basis |
| 21:47.00 | SB1-Work | I wonder if I can see my score (from some years ago) online, hmm |
| 21:47.15 | mheath[laptop] | SB1-Work, no. |
| 21:47.25 | graphyx | elg: Just the fact that you dont have to worry about system ahmin? |
| 21:47.31 | SB1-Work | Bah |
| 21:47.32 | mheath[laptop] | My recruiter doesn't even have direct access to MY scores that I took with the USMC |
| 21:47.48 | elg | just that I can only type dvorak in irc until I get to a switchover speed |
| 21:47.56 | graphyx | windows does too. |
| 21:48.03 | mheath[laptop] | Only the MEPS Navy liason has direct access to them |
| 21:48.26 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], all that I can say, is that I had every single of the branch of the military call me multiple times, and I was in the 99th percentile |
| 21:48.52 | graphyx | that will be motivation |
| 21:48.56 | SB1-Work | Which just reaffirms my previous thought: peopel must be STUPID. |
| 21:48.59 | SB1-Work | *people |
| 21:49.20 | mheath[laptop] | SB1-Work, the ability to test well does not make a person. |
| 21:49.31 | graphyx | if you want to chat you have to chat in dvorak. |
| 21:50.08 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], not at all, but that's not my point. If you had the highest score your recruiter had ever seen, chances are very good you were 99th percentile also |
| 21:50.16 | levi | There are probably a lot of people in the 99th percentile of any given standardized test. |
| 21:50.22 | elg | exactly. I talk too much here anyway |
| 21:50.41 | SB1-Work | levi: how so? |
| 21:50.59 | elg | 1% of a lot of people is a lot |
| 21:51.05 | mheath[laptop] | ASVAB is a really common test. TONS of people take it in highschool. |
| 21:51.06 | levi | What elg said. |
| 21:51.07 | graphyx | note to everyone: qwerty is easier to type on a qwerty keyboard than dvorak is on a dvorak keyboard. |
| 21:51.12 | mheath[laptop] | Millions of people nationally. |
| 21:51.17 | SB1-Work | Duh, of course |
| 21:51.40 | levi | SB1-Work must be STUPID! ;) |
| 21:51.54 | SB1-Work | levi, thansk ;) |
| 21:51.57 | SB1-Work | See? |
| 21:51.58 | SB1-Work | "thansk" |
| 21:52.02 | SB1-Work | Point proven! |
| 21:52.18 | mheath[laptop] | ASVAB is a weird test though. I've seen people you'd consider dumb score really high, and people you consider smart score really low. |
| 21:52.43 | SB1-Work | mheath[laptop], it also has it's own section on mechanics, which... basically no other test I've taken to date has. |
| 21:52.57 | SB1-Work | It's odd to go from math to science to english to... engine mechanics |
| 21:53.01 | mheath[laptop] | Its not really mechanics. |
| 21:53.14 | graphyx | remember that in China, being called one in a million means that there is 1000 more out there like you. |
| 21:53.17 | mheath[laptop] | It's more...Ability to understand basic mechanical concepts. |
| 21:53.25 | mrpull | if you have 1200 bucks you could get one of those optimus keyboards and have the letters change too |
| 21:53.48 | levi | Mmm, a keyboard that costs more than any of my computers did. |
| 21:53.48 | findlay-w | ~mechanize keyboards |
| 21:53.50 | mrpull | Daaaangg 1200 is a lot of cash for a steenkin' keyboard |
| 21:53.50 | graphyx | mrpull no thanks. |
| 21:54.05 | mheath[laptop] | I know very little about actual mechanics, and that was my highest section. |
| 21:54.13 | mrpull | my favorite is still the clackity model M I got out of a dumpster |
| 21:54.18 | mheath[laptop] | Because I have a very technical, engineering-oriented mind. |
| 21:54.26 | elg | better to learn without keykaps anyway |
| 21:54.30 | graphyx | you aren't supposed no look at the keyboard anyways |
| 21:55.21 | mheath[laptop] | Tomorrow is going to suck |
| 21:55.22 | atoponce | elg: yes. i agree. dvorak was not designed with the programmer in mind |
| 21:55.28 | mheath[laptop] | I get to go sit down at MEPS all day |
| 21:55.44 | mheath[laptop] | and if we don't hear from BuMed sometime during the day, it will literally be a complete waste of my time. |
| 21:55.49 | atoponce | elg: and ls does get a little old, but it doesn't bother me too bad |
| 21:56.00 | levi | mheath[laptop]: I take it you haven't figured out if you're going to school now or not yet? |
| 21:56.16 | graphyx | dvorak was around prior to programming. |
| 21:56.16 | mheath[laptop] | Question: Why do court houses not verify things by SSN? |
| 21:56.21 | atoponce | elg: what bothered me for the longest time was ../ |
| 21:56.27 | mheath[laptop] | levi: I'm probably not. I should know for sure tomorrow. |
| 21:56.29 | mheath[laptop] | Well, I take that back |
| 21:56.43 | levi | elg: You can always make a bash alias for whatever the qwerty ls would be in dvorak. |
| 21:56.52 | mheath[laptop] | If I take this Nuclear Propulsion job with the Navy, the training they give me constitutes two bachelors degrees (minus about 30 credits) |
| 21:57.22 | levi | Certainly nuclear propulsion will require all sorts of calculus. |
| 21:57.24 | graphyx | well time to go. |
| 21:57.27 | graphyx | ttyl |
| 21:57.30 | mheath[laptop] | Plus certifies me with the US Department of Energy to run any kind of nuclear reactor, civilian or military |
| 21:57.39 | mheath[laptop] | levi: I'm sure it will. |
| 21:58.17 | mheath[laptop] | The average starting sallary in the civilian world of somone who was a Nuke in the Navy is $80,000. |
| 21:58.26 | mheath[laptop] | *salary |
| 21:58.28 | levi | Well, hopefully the pain of calculus doesn't do the same thing as your knee pain did to your brief career in the Marines. |
| 21:58.46 | elg | levi: ls is "no" |
| 21:59.14 | mheath[laptop] | levi: Heh. Calculus is my big concern, but I plan to apply myself much better than I did to my highschool class. |
| 21:59.31 | levi | mheath[laptop]: I'm sure you can figure it out if you do apply yourself. |
| 21:59.40 | levi | Calculus really isn't that difficult. |
| 22:00.01 | mheath[laptop] | This is a lot higher pressure situation than highschool math, too |
| 22:00.14 | mheath[laptop] | And it will help that my roommate, friends, etc will all be doing the same class, the same homework. |
| 22:00.20 | levi | And it's far from the weirdest part of Math. |
| 22:00.51 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: having roommates, friends, etc in the same class as you can be a two-edged sword |
| 22:00.59 | levi | Indeed. |
| 22:01.16 | levi | I had a slacker roommate that was in a lot of the same classes, and it did not help at ALL. |
| 22:01.35 | maquis | i recall days in the flsr where the decision was that only one person really needed to go to chinese class, since they could tell the rest of us what was going on |
| 22:01.59 | maquis | particularly bad in a class where part of the grade is attendance-based |
| 22:02.10 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: This is a difficult thing to get into. Everyone who gets into it is smart - I'm sure my laziness will be an uncommon characteristic. |
| 22:02.22 | elg | cue SB1-Work |
| 22:02.31 | SB1-Work | elg: :P |
| 22:02.35 | SB1-Work | elg: What's more, you called it :P |
| 22:02.37 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: not all smart people are hard-working |
| 22:02.52 | levi | mheath[laptop]: Smart people are often lazy. |
| 22:03.04 | elg | usually |
| 22:03.20 | SB1-Work | That was my problem in high school |
| 22:03.29 | SB1-Work | I graduated with a 2.78 GPA |
| 22:03.35 | SB1-Work | Because I didn't do one homework assignment |
| 22:03.40 | SB1-Work | No exagguration there, not one |
| 22:04.11 | elg | ha! |
| 22:04.28 | SB1-Work | Graduated just fine, full set of credits, wasn't missing one |
| 22:05.32 | mheath[laptop] | Is it possible for them to make changes to your transcript after the fact? |
| 22:05.39 | mheath[laptop] | I never took a detailed look at my transcript |
| 22:05.39 | SB1-Work | Nope |
| 22:05.47 | SB1-Work | Well, you could always sue and win |
| 22:05.52 | SB1-Work | But that's what it would take |
| 22:05.56 | mheath[laptop] | And now I realized that way back in 9th grade, they put 4 different F's down for classes I wasn't even enrolled in at the time. |
| 22:06.25 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: for future reference, check your transcript regularly |
| 22:06.31 | mheath[laptop] | IE, I took those classes during 1st and 2nd quarter, and I wasn't even in them for 3rd quarter but theres an F down in 3rd quarter. |
| 22:07.17 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: I didn't care about grades (other than graduating) until I was done with highschool. And even then, colleges just care about GPA, really. |
| 22:07.18 | maquis | doh... what'd i do? |
| 22:07.34 | maquis | oh... nm |
| 22:07.42 | levi | maquis: You typed 'doh... what'd i do' |
| 22:07.56 | mheath[laptop] | Signing up for this Nuke propulsion program was the first time that I've ever had someone take a detailed look at specific grades on the transcript |
| 22:08.05 | elg | with a ?, no less |
| 22:08.06 | mheath[laptop] | And made me think "Wait...that doesn't make any sense." |
| 22:08.59 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: But, 4 full F's on my transcript that shouldn't even be on there? getting rid of those would probably boost the transcript up to 3.1 vs 3.03. |
| 22:09.07 | maquis | ctrl-a + ctrl-x != ctrl-a +ctrl-c |
| 22:09.08 | mheath[laptop] | *boost the GPA |
| 22:09.20 | macnewbold | mheath[laptop]: you can try talking to them about it |
| 22:09.38 | macnewbold | they can update the record and reissue the transcript, if it fits within their policies and their software allows it |
| 22:09.38 | elg | maybe they're there for the sole purpose of keeping you out of the military |
| 22:09.43 | mheath[laptop] | I wonder if I should call the district office or go back to my old highschool. |
| 22:09.56 | macnewbold | if it really is just a mistake, then you've got good reason to talk to them about it |
| 22:09.58 | macnewbold | go to the highschool |
| 22:10.02 | mheath[laptop] | elg, luckily, they were all in subjects that the Nuke Propulsion check doesn't care about. |
| 22:10.02 | macnewbold | not the district |
| 22:10.14 | macnewbold | talk to someone high up that knows you at the school, if you can |
| 22:10.37 | mheath[laptop] | The thing is, they're 9th grade grades |
| 22:10.47 | mheath[laptop] | and I went to a junior high, so in 9th grade I was in anohter school. |
| 22:11.19 | mheath[laptop] | I went back to that junior high school for another isuse a while back, again a few years after the fact, and they were extrmely unhelpful at the time. |
| 22:11.55 | mheath[laptop] | But, I'm personal friends with a few of the teachers whos class it has an F in. They knew that I was a good student in their class, and didn't fail. |
| 22:12.10 | elg | wear a yellow ribbon. secretaries like that kind of thing |
| 22:12.22 | SB1-Work | ... lol |
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| 22:20.19 | mheath[laptop] | Tomorrow is just going to suck, though :( |
| 22:20.30 | mheath[laptop] | I now have to have *Three* waivers to go in and get the job I want. |
| 22:29.02 | atoponce | ohhhhh. you gotta love this: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061129165103775 |
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| 22:33.09 | elg | ~jump Jayce^ |
| 22:33.10 | ibot | ACTION scrambles up the nearest tree, screams, then leaps feet first on top of Jayce^ |
| 22:44.56 | Jayce^ | hunh?... |
| 22:50.58 | SB1-Work | I believe ibot just jumped you/ |
| 22:51.03 | SB1-Work | *you. |
| 22:51.05 | redbeard1 | ~whalebomb Jayce^ |
| 22:51.08 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at Jayce^ and hides. |
| 22:55.16 | findlay-w | ~whalenuke redbeard1 |
| 22:55.18 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around redbeard1 with his mind powers |
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| 23:15.50 | findlay-w | ~perl something |
| 23:15.58 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 23:18.25 | redbeard1 | ~migs findlay-w |
| 23:18.26 | ibot | ACTION forces findlay-w to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 23:20.37 | tensai | redbeard1: I made tortilla soup on monday. it turned out exceptionally spicy, which surprised me. |
| 23:21.03 | tensai | redbeard1: previously I've made it with fresh jalapenos. this time I used my own chipotles. |
| 23:21.10 | redbeard1 | mmm, chipotle |
| 23:21.18 | tensai | is there any reason a chipotle would just be hotter than a jalapeno? |
| 23:21.29 | redbeard1 | not that i know of |
| 23:22.21 | tensai | only thing I can think of is that I might have removed seeds and membrandes from the fresh |
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| 23:32.47 | elg | ibot, do you do currency conversion? |
| 23:32.50 | ibot | yes, I do currency conversion. |
| 23:33.04 | elg | hmm |
| 23:33.26 | elg | why don't i believe you? |
| 23:33.28 | Phishy | ibot, exchange my 5 bucks for ruples. |
| 23:33.41 | tensai | ibot, do you want elg to jab you with a fork in the eye? |
| 23:33.42 | ibot | yes, I want elg to jab you with a fork in the eye. |
| 23:34.40 | tensai | I should have seen that coming |
| 23:35.05 | findlay-w | well, can you see it now? |
| 23:35.41 | elg | ibot, exchange 10 pounds to dollars |
| 23:36.24 | elg | ~exchange 10 gbp to usd |
| 23:38.29 | Phishy | Crap, the euro is really kick'n our butt. |
| 23:38.48 | Phishy | USA has been downgraded to 2nd world country. |
| 23:39.30 | elg | ™ |
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| 23:48.16 | maquis | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BABY_DEATH_MICROWAVE?SITE=KING&TEMPLATE=USHEADS.html&SECTION=HOME |
| 23:48.34 | maquis | "The investigation into the death of a baby who authorities believe was heated in a microwave oven was difficult because of a lack of research on the effect of microwaves on people" |
| 23:48.35 | findlay-w | nice ... url |
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| 23:50.08 | maquis | sick world |
| 23:50.25 | JoshH_ | we need to find people to volunteer for a microwaves on humans study |
| 23:51.13 | atoponce | JoshH_: would you like to head the volunteers? |
| 23:51.34 | elg | or behead them |
| 23:51.59 | nick125 | elg: if we do that, the study wouldn't be too useful |
| 23:52.06 | JoshH_ | maybe if i was close to dying from a terminal illness or something |
| 23:52.15 | atoponce | nah. microwaving dead bodies wouldn't provide useful data |
| 23:52.31 | JoshH_ | it would just cook them nicely |
| 23:53.26 | maquis | s/world/channel/g |
| 23:55.51 | tensai | JoshH_: you'd be delicous with a few french fries, broccoli, horseradish sauce... |
| 23:56.20 | JoshH_ | actually, microwaves aren't good for cooking meat, only reheating |
| 23:56.34 | atoponce | that brings a whole new meaning to "fry sauce" |
| 23:56.37 | JoshH_ | so you would have to grill me first |
| 23:57.22 | atoponce | ~rot13 TimRiker |
| 23:57.22 | ibot | GvzEvxre |
| 23:57.28 | atoponce | thought so. |
| 23:58.40 | maquis | ~rot13 atoponce |
| 23:58.40 | ibot | ngbcbapr |
| 23:58.44 | maquis | ~rot12 atoponce |
| 23:58.44 | ibot | mfabazoq |
| 23:58.51 | maquis | ~rot10 atoponce |
| 23:58.51 | ibot | kdyzyxmo |
| 23:58.56 | maquis | ~rot1l atoponce |
| 23:59.11 | atoponce | ~rot123456789 atoponce |
| 23:59.11 | ibot | bupqpodf |
| 23:59.17 | tensai | maquis: try rot26, that's the best |
| 23:59.32 | maquis | wait... so rot11 will throw an error, but rot123456789 doesn't? |
| 23:59.40 | maquis | ~rot11 blah |
| 23:59.40 | ibot | mwls |
| 23:59.43 | atoponce | maquis: you have rot1l |
| 23:59.46 | maquis | oh |
| 23:59.49 | atoponce | :) |
