| 00:01.44 | stderr- | yea. |
| 00:01.51 | stderr- | it sucks. |
| 00:08.54 | Sargun | hey dataw0lf |
| 00:09.03 | Sargun | Just the OS of the thing? |
| 00:09.13 | Sargun | my windows mobile device is starting to piss me off |
| 00:09.29 | dataw0lf | no, it's overall garbage. |
| 00:09.51 | Sargun | what do you have now? |
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| 01:44.23 | Sargun | holy-crap, I got sprint to give me a new phone. |
| 01:44.49 | Tene | oh? |
| 01:46.03 | Sargun | from PPC-6700 -> Treo |
| 01:46.08 | Sargun | Should I get a WX, or a P? |
| 01:46.13 | Sargun | I have about 2 minutes |
| 01:46.16 | Sargun | until this guy gets bac |
| 01:46.18 | Sargun | back |
| 01:46.25 | nick125 | P |
| 01:46.28 | nick125 | :p |
| 01:46.33 | nick125 | windows mobile sucks |
| 01:46.49 | mheath | Hey everyone. |
| 01:47.03 | Sargun | mheath, hey |
| 01:47.06 | Sargun | mheath[laptop]_, hey |
| 01:47.26 | mheath[laptop]_ | There we go, a monitor that works. |
| 01:52.17 | mheath[laptop] | Can anyone recommend a website CMS? |
| 01:52.42 | Sargun | drupal. |
| 01:56.40 | mheath[laptop] | Something that provides a little more control of the interface, perhaps? |
| 01:56.50 | mheath[laptop] | I'd like a two-bar navigation system, for one. |
| 01:57.39 | nick125 | you could use a custom theme for drupal |
| 01:59.01 | mheath[laptop] | How hard is it to get another bar, like the one shown here: http://themes.drupal.org/node?theme=box_cleanslate |
| 02:07.41 | mheath[laptop] | That is, does Drupal have a good custom theme framework? |
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| 02:51.28 | mheath[laptop] | Opinion time: is there any better opensource presentation creaters out there than OOO Impress? |
| 02:58.23 | Tene | mheath[laptop]: there's one in KDE's office thing. |
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| 04:27.53 | Sargun | how bad is alcohol for your liver? |
| 04:30.38 | Sargun | -twitch- |
| 04:30.42 | Sargun | Like |
| 04:30.49 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], koffice |
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| 04:56.42 | Sargun | How is fedex insurance? |
| 05:11.00 | vontrapp | it probably costs money |
| 05:11.19 | vontrapp | http://www.whatshallieat.com/ |
| 05:14.23 | vontrapp | that was a long yawn |
| 05:14.41 | Supaplex | yeah :P |
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| 06:08.26 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun: alcohol in a very light infrequent dosage has been proven to not be at all detrimental to the health of your liver. |
| 06:08.43 | mheath[laptop] | However, you're what, 15? You shouldn't be asking. |
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| 06:09.06 | Sargun | almost 16 |
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| 06:09.39 | mheath[laptop] | If anyone is looking for movie recommendations, I really recommend "Joyeux Noel" |
| 06:09.43 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Friend who drink alcohol, but she is pretty used to it now, it almost takes half a bottle of wine to get her drunk. |
| 06:09.51 | Sargun | s/drink/drinks/ |
| 06:09.55 | mheath[laptop] | .....Uh. |
| 06:10.04 | Sargun | heh.. |
| 06:10.08 | Sargun | um, yeah. |
| 06:10.39 | mheath[laptop] | People who drink wine to get drunk are the stupidest people in the world. |
| 06:11.22 | Sargun | well, wine is something that I know about. |
| 06:11.40 | Sargun | Otherwise its hard liquor all the way for her. |
| 06:12.42 | mheath[laptop] | ..... |
| 06:13.13 | mheath[laptop] | You are rediculously naive. |
| 06:13.24 | nick125 | hahahahahahahahahaaahaha, someone paid $840 for... |
| 06:13.28 | nick125 | wait for it... |
| 06:13.30 | nick125 | wait for it..... |
| 06:13.36 | nick125 | "Please Note this Auction is for a picture of the PS3 system only. All non-payers will be reported to EBAY." |
| 06:13.38 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, stay away from alcohol. |
| 06:13.58 | mheath[laptop] | getting drunk is bad, and at your age/situation, you probably don't have enough time to enjoy decent alcohol anyway. |
| 06:14.03 | mheath[laptop] | Save it for your 21st birthday :) |
| 06:14.17 | nick125 | obviously someone didn't stay away from alcohol...while bidding on ebay :D |
| 06:14.43 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, I've seen the exact oposite too |
| 06:14.55 | mheath[laptop] | Someone sold a legitimate PS3 system and accidentally set a Buy It Now price of 99 cents. |
| 06:15.07 | nick125 | yeah |
| 06:15.34 | nick125 | and, like the $300 wii email address |
| 06:15.39 | Sargun | nick125, hahah |
| 06:15.44 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Do you drink? |
| 06:15.44 | mheath[laptop] | Then there was the "You are bidding on Playstations, 3 of them" one that sold for like $800 |
| 06:15.57 | nick125 | and the $900 PS3-seller-4u@yahoo.com address (something like that least) |
| 06:16.08 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, I have. |
| 06:16.11 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: what about the ps1 + ps2 taped together? |
| 06:16.52 | nick125 | how much did that sell for? do you know? |
| 06:17.14 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Just so you know, I can't drink very much |
| 06:17.18 | Sargun | more than half a beer |
| 06:17.23 | Sargun | will make me sick |
| 06:17.33 | Sargun | and two beers will put me in the hospital |
| 06:17.36 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, uh, guess what? |
| 06:17.37 | Sargun | I have a retarded liver |
| 06:17.57 | Sargun | so, I'm not getting drunk any time soon. |
| 06:18.04 | mheath[laptop] | I hate to shatter your hollywood-based perceptions, but what you're experiencing is called "being drunk" |
| 06:18.25 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], No... I have health issues |
| 06:18.38 | Sargun | which cause my liver not to work at full capacity |
| 06:18.46 | Sargun | the two beers is an estimate |
| 06:18.50 | mheath[laptop] | Then why the heck were you drinking a beer in the first place? |
| 06:18.57 | nick125 | that's beyond me :p |
| 06:19.02 | Sargun | heh.... Long story. |
| 06:19.22 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Anyway, my parents did some stupid stuff |
| 06:19.44 | mheath[laptop] | Your sheltered. You live in suburbia. Your a geek. You've got liver-related health problems. And you're trying beer at 15? |
| 06:19.49 | mheath[laptop] | WTF? |
| 06:20.29 | nick125 | Sargun: I'm up for a story |
| 06:20.36 | Sargun | My parents didn't tell me about the liver-related health problems. |
| 06:20.40 | vontrapp | ~story |
| 06:20.49 | ibot | well, story is he crazy, he thought as he walked along the pier and gazed at the dark water, then there in the water, he saw a black creature covered in scales |
| 06:21.03 | vontrapp | ah, what's the one that gets me a teddy bear? |
| 06:21.11 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, yeah, because perhaps they had faith their sheltered child wouldn't be trying alcohol at the age of 15. |
| 06:21.30 | mheath[laptop] | ~teddybear |
| 06:21.35 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], technically they still haven't told me |
| 06:21.44 | Sargun | some fun with the doctor's head got me that info |
| 06:22.57 | mheath[laptop] | Just don't drink. Theres no reason to do that. |
| 06:23.03 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, what were you drinking, anyway? |
| 06:23.25 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], You don't think that parents should teach their kids to drink. |
| 06:23.42 | nick125 | heh, my dad tried that |
| 06:23.44 | Sargun | Heineken |
| 06:23.57 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, WHAT? |
| 06:24.05 | Sargun | ? |
| 06:24.06 | mheath[laptop] | We have a term for getting your 15 year old child drunk |
| 06:24.14 | mheath[laptop] | Its called "child abuse" |
| 06:24.16 | Sargun | heheh |
| 06:24.37 | Sargun | I think kids should be taught how to drink from 16+ |
| 06:24.42 | mheath[laptop] | .... |
| 06:24.44 | nick125 | I don't think they should |
| 06:24.48 | Sargun | otherwise it lands them up in crappy situations |
| 06:24.51 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, Guess what? |
| 06:24.52 | Sargun | or at least tell your kid |
| 06:24.58 | mheath[laptop] | You're a kid. |
| 06:25.00 | mheath[laptop] | Enjoy it |
| 06:25.05 | nick125 | they shouldn't tell their kids to begin with |
| 06:25.06 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], I hate being a kid. |
| 06:25.12 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, every kid says that |
| 06:25.20 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Ok. |
| 06:25.29 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Whats good about being a kid? |
| 06:25.40 | mheath[laptop] | To paraphrase one of my favorite Mark Twain quotes: No matter what age you are, its always the wrong one. The right one is always a few years older or a few years younger. |
| 06:26.03 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], What's good about being a kid? |
| 06:26.06 | nick125 | Sargun: your going to say the same thing when your an adult? |
| 06:26.09 | vontrapp | Sargun: you seriously think that kids should "learn" how to drink? |
| 06:26.10 | nick125 | -? |
| 06:26.13 | vontrapp | like it's even that hard |
| 06:26.28 | vontrapp | and there's a reason for laws against it |
| 06:26.32 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, No real responsibility. The ability to have fun. The ability to learn. |
| 06:26.39 | nick125 | I wouldn't drink, even if it was legal for me to |
| 06:26.40 | mheath[laptop] | The ability to not have the crushing weight of the freakin' world on you. |
| 06:26.42 | Sargun | vontrapp, well, a parent should offer their kid some alcohol, and beat them if they say yes. |
| 06:26.47 | Sargun | (joking about the beating part) |
| 06:26.55 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, Guess what? Growing up sucks, for most people. |
| 06:26.58 | nick125 | I hate beer, my dad tried to get me to drink when I was 4-5 |
| 06:27.20 | mheath[laptop] | Unless your one of the truly few and lucky, you'll be like me: working your butt off in a crappy job just to make rent and have a place to go home and sleep at night. |
| 06:27.26 | mheath[laptop] | Enjoy your childhood while you can |
| 06:27.28 | Sargun | nick125, now thats a bad idea |
| 06:27.31 | mheath[laptop] | While you're free of responsibility |
| 06:27.42 | mheath[laptop] | Able to spend time wtih friends, spend time learning new things in school, and enjoying your life. |
| 06:27.56 | vontrapp | making potato guns... |
| 06:28.04 | nick125 | he tried to get me to drink a full 18oz of beer a few times |
| 06:28.29 | Sargun | nick125, If I couldn't make it through 4 oz sucessfully |
| 06:28.33 | Sargun | 18 oz is like suicide |
| 06:28.47 | Sargun | see, nick125 is a great example, he was traumatized by alcohol. |
| 06:28.56 | vontrapp | the only good thing about growing up is marraige |
| 06:29.07 | Sargun | vontrapp, No marriage. |
| 06:29.13 | mheath[laptop] | vontrapp, I think some would argue wtih you about that, too :P |
| 06:29.29 | vontrapp | let them argue |
| 06:29.31 | vontrapp | i'm happy |
| 06:30.01 | vontrapp | :) |
| 06:30.21 | mheath[laptop] | The funny thing is, you're never in the right mindset to appreciate the age your at right now |
| 06:30.34 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: you never are and you never will |
| 06:30.40 | Sargun | Well, I think the perfect age would be 25-35 |
| 06:30.45 | Sargun | or 27 |
| 06:30.50 | nick125 | you'll always think the grass is greener on the other side |
| 06:31.10 | Sargun | At 27 your life is great |
| 06:31.15 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, No, you know the grass is greener, you just didn't realize it was when you were over there. |
| 06:31.16 | Sargun | you've started to settle down |
| 06:31.20 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, ..... |
| 06:31.21 | vontrapp | the perfect age is a good retirement |
| 06:31.29 | mheath[laptop] | vontrapp, here, here! |
| 06:31.30 | Sargun | the occasional party is ok. |
| 06:31.41 | nick125 | Sargun: there is no perfect age |
| 06:31.43 | Sargun | you might have a wife. |
| 06:31.43 | mheath[laptop] | My brother is 27. |
| 06:31.45 | Sargun | etc... |
| 06:31.47 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], and? |
| 06:31.49 | nick125 | there will be ups and downs |
| 06:31.53 | mheath[laptop] | He has two kids. No time for parties. He works 50 hour weeks. |
| 06:32.01 | Sargun | two kids at 27? |
| 06:32.03 | Sargun | holy-crap |
| 06:32.07 | Sargun | what was he thinking. |
| 06:32.07 | nick125 | no matter if you are 12, 22, and 122 |
| 06:32.09 | nick125 | *or |
| 06:32.16 | Sargun | or more like |
| 06:32.17 | TheTiGuR | I really don't see how you can say any age is perfect, without having actually been that age yourself |
| 06:32.19 | Sargun | what was he thinking? |
| 06:32.20 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun.....He's been married for 9 years. |
| 06:32.33 | TheTiGuR | For some people a perfect age could be 18, others could easily be 50 |
| 06:32.37 | Sargun | -nodes in disbelief- |
| 06:32.39 | Sargun | er |
| 06:32.40 | Sargun | nods |
| 06:33.02 | TheTiGuR | I'll be hitting 9years married in May, 3 kids (#4 on the way) |
| 06:33.04 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, again, you have a rather sheltered perspective of what growing up is like |
| 06:33.12 | mheath[laptop] | Or what the future in general is like |
| 06:33.17 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, Can I ask your age? |
| 06:33.26 | mheath[laptop] | I mean...when you're 27 your going to be CIO of a big company, right? |
| 06:33.36 | TheTiGuR | And reading back, I've seen so many kids screwed up because thier parents 'taught' them to drink |
| 06:33.38 | mheath[laptop] | Just like I'm in Marine Corps SOI right now, right? ;-) |
| 06:33.40 | TheTiGuR | I am 30 |
| 06:33.42 | mheath[laptop] | Plans don't always work out. |
| 06:33.55 | TheTiGuR | Mmmmm...SOI, my favorite |
| 06:34.07 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, good age. |
| 06:34.17 | TheTiGuR | I have no arguments |
| 06:34.22 | TheTiGuR | but my life is far from perfect |
| 06:34.28 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, yeah, I would be at SOI right now if I hadn't been kicked out. I was being sarcastic, talking about how "things always work out the way you plan, right?" |
| 06:34.32 | TheTiGuR | ie...went to in-laws for turkey day |
| 06:34.38 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:34.47 | TheTiGuR | probably spent 24 total hours working, not spending time with family |
| 06:34.58 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, Well, what I've learned now that my friends whose parents were open to drinking and sex aren't into drinking and sex at all |
| 06:35.00 | TheTiGuR | Oh...haha...yeah....I forgot about that |
| 06:35.08 | TheTiGuR | (since I chat in here so much ;) |
| 06:35.09 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, yeah, but I'm guessing your idea of "no arguments" is vastly different from where you thought you're life would be at 30 years old back when you were 15 like Sargun |
| 06:35.10 | Sargun | but my friends whose parents treated it as a taboo |
| 06:35.31 | TheTiGuR | mheath[laptop]: Very true |
| 06:35.57 | TheTiGuR | mheath[laptop]: But then again...I can't say as I had any REAL idea of where I wanted to be, other than family + well paying job |
| 06:36.06 | vontrapp | how could anyone not be into sex in a permissive environment? |
| 06:36.07 | TheTiGuR | which, for the most part is where I am at |
| 06:36.25 | Sargun | vontrapp, Well, they realize how stupid sex is... |
| 06:36.30 | mheath[laptop] | .... |
| 06:36.38 | TheTiGuR | i agree: ..... |
| 06:37.01 | Sargun | because their parents are ok with their relationships and willing to talk about it, and when anything happens the parent can give a great example of how bad that situation went when they were a kid |
| 06:37.30 | Sargun | whereas if the parent is hostile towards the child's relationships the child has no one to look to for advice |
| 06:38.15 | TheTiGuR | Parents, imho, should be the first source of information regarding everything like sex, drugs, rock n roll, etc etc |
| 06:38.37 | TheTiGuR | so if the parents are hostile about relationships, something probably didn't happen that should have |
| 06:38.39 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, but usually aren't |
| 06:38.51 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, Sargun was proposing that adults teach their young teenagers how to drink =D |
| 06:38.52 | Sargun | I mean if I approached mine about it they'd freak out |
| 06:39.04 | vontrapp | that doesn't mean the parent has to be all lax and say anything you do is fine |
| 06:39.06 | Sargun | until my parents talked to my shrink. |
| 06:39.17 | TheTiGuR | mheath[laptop]: I saw, and had I been drinking anything at the time, I probably would have blown it through my nose |
| 06:39.26 | Sargun | vontrapp, no, but the parent should talk to the kid on the level of a peer. |
| 06:39.34 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, Hahah |
| 06:39.36 | vontrapp | sure, i agree there |
| 06:39.38 | TheTiGuR | lax parents = parents that can sue someone else when thier child fubars |
| 06:39.49 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:40.23 | mheath[laptop] | what this all boils down to, is, sargun thinks that at the age of 15 he already knows all there is to know in the world. |
| 06:40.49 | mheath[laptop] | Therefore, he's competent to give advice on how the lesser-off and less-enlightened 15 year old of the worlds should have relationships with their parents. |
| 06:40.54 | TheTiGuR | Sargun: I'll let you know when I feel I know all there is to know (that is important) in this life |
| 06:41.17 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], No, I realize that I barely know anything. I am open to changing my opinion |
| 06:41.20 | TheTiGuR | Sargun: (don't hold your breath waiting for that time) |
| 06:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome |
| 06:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I go to add an account to Thunderbird |
| 06:42.11 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, then why the heck do you think you know how 15 year olds should be taught when you're 15? |
| 06:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And I get an XML error. |
| 06:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "XML Parsing Error: error in processing external entity reference |
| 06:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Location: chrome://messenger/content/AccountManager.xul |
| 06:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Line Number 5, Column 72:" |
| 06:42.34 | Tene | mheath: because he's smarter and more mature than all of the others, of course. |
| 06:42.42 | mheath[laptop] | Tene, of course. |
| 06:43.11 | TheTiGuR | Congrats ScytheBlade1, you've found an undocumented feature |
| 06:43.23 | nick125 | yay for undocumented features |
| 06:43.33 | TheTiGuR | You had no real need to setup THAT account |
| 06:43.41 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, sounds like part of your thunderbird install got deleted? |
| 06:43.44 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], because I see my friends who were 'taught' to drink, and whose parents were open with them, and they are MUCH better off |
| 06:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Or any future account! |
| 06:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], more likely, it was borked in an upgrade. |
| 06:43.57 | Sargun | than the people who just guessed and checked. |
| 06:44.12 | atoponce | w00t! desktop cam up and running! |
| 06:44.17 | TheTiGuR | What possible reason do you have for drinking at the age of 15 anyway? |
| 06:44.28 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, I tried to ask him the same thing :P |
| 06:44.38 | Tene | TheTiGuR: to PaRtY of course!!!!!!omg |
| 06:44.54 | TheTiGuR | Seems to me that the time that they should be 'taught' is 18, or 21, or whatever the LEGAL drinking age is in your state |
| 06:45.10 | TheTiGuR | Aaah...right...too party |
| 06:45.10 | mheath[laptop] | I think it's 21 everywhere now? |
| 06:45.19 | mheath[laptop] | In the USA, that is |
| 06:45.26 | TheTiGuR | and to come home smashed and not remember the previous nights activities |
| 06:45.42 | TheTiGuR | And to be a shining example for your children |
| 06:45.52 | Sargun | or the people who don't realize a 'invitation to house party' means 'invitation to date rape' |
| 06:46.04 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, who needs to wake up in the morning refrehsed, alert, and feeling healthy, anyway? |
| 06:46.04 | TheTiGuR | Oh...yeah...that was MY mom....who showed me plenty of reasons not to drink, by drinking herself |
| 06:46.06 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, long long story. |
| 06:46.20 | TheTiGuR | (hooray she is 10+ years sober now) |
| 06:46.22 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, Its legal to ingest alcohol as a minor |
| 06:46.25 | Sargun | not purchase |
| 06:46.29 | mheath[laptop] | .... |
| 06:46.32 | TheTiGuR | Semantics |
| 06:46.59 | Tene | Yeah, that's so *stupid*, right? It's terrible to actually trust people to mean what they say. |
| 06:47.00 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, the most alcohol you can legally drink is vanilla extract. |
| 06:47.16 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: damnit, you are going to wareout your dot key |
| 06:47.19 | TheTiGuR | If an adult is providing you liquor, they go to jail, which says that you are a twit for wanting to get someone put in jail because you are an idiot miinor who has a drinking problem |
| 06:47.41 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], uh, nyquil > vanilla extract, right? |
| 06:47.41 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, no, but I am wearing out my 9 key for some reason |
| 06:48.03 | nick125 | my 9 key is broken |
| 06:48.07 | mheath[laptop] | Seems almost all of my passwords have a 9 or a ( in them (gentlemen, start your crackers!) |
| 06:48.13 | mheath[laptop] | So I type it really often |
| 06:48.15 | TheTiGuR | If you want to get drunk on nyquil, be my guest |
| 06:48.23 | mheath[laptop] | And it still works but its sticky, which is really annoying for rapidly typing passwords. |
| 06:48.48 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, I think you'd die first from the other active ingredients |
| 06:48.49 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, infact, please go take a generous portion of nyquil right now. |
| 06:48.56 | mheath[laptop] | erm |
| 06:48.59 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, |
| 06:49.07 | nick125 | nyquil is fun stuff |
| 06:49.11 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, infact, please go take a generous portion of nyquil right now. |
| 06:49.15 | TheTiGuR | Oh yeah... mheath[laptop]...you wouldn't want to be in SOI right now anyway....it gets awful chilly at night for a shelter half sleeping bag |
| 06:49.18 | mheath[laptop] | (sorry, TheTiGuR, wasn't intended for you) |
| 06:49.40 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, I've had worse :) |
| 06:50.00 | mheath[laptop] | When I was a cadet in the NSCC (military youth group) I went to a field training in flagstaff, arizona, in December |
| 06:50.03 | mheath[laptop] | Slept outside |
| 06:50.11 | TheTiGuR | Same...doesn't make it any better though |
| 06:50.12 | mheath[laptop] | Temps got down to -20 with the wind chill |
| 06:50.21 | Sargun | nick125, nyquil is horrible stuff |
| 06:50.42 | mheath[laptop] | Haha, I was incharge of supply too |
| 06:50.45 | nick125 | Sargun: after a while, you don't care :p |
| 06:50.52 | mheath[laptop] | I had to get up early and thaw out the water for drinking |
| 06:51.14 | Sargun | I get a headache |
| 06:51.19 | Sargun | and really light headed |
| 06:51.23 | Sargun | and start throwing up |
| 06:51.24 | TheTiGuR | nick125: If you are that hard up for alcohol, you've got problems |
| 06:51.30 | Sargun | hahah |
| 06:51.48 | nick125 | nah, I've only done it once before, and that was like..last year |
| 06:51.54 | nick125 | I took the dosage on the packaging |
| 06:52.01 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, I love Sargun's naivity. The "Whats this weird thing that happens when I drink alcohol....I mean, i start to feel sick...and I throw up...I think somethings wrong with my liver!" stuff :P |
| 06:52.27 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:52.27 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], no, again, if you read my parents did some stupid stuff |
| 06:52.35 | Sargun | which has lead to my liver problems |
| 06:53.06 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, I would want to be at SOI right now, though, whether or not its cold |
| 06:53.12 | TheTiGuR | mheath[laptop]: I'm just glad I've never had an appreciable amount of alcohol past the age of 5 (wwon't go into things I had before then ;) ) |
| 06:53.16 | mheath[laptop] | Thats in southern california anyway. Wouldn't be too bad there. |
| 06:53.23 | nick125 | vontrapp: me too |
| 06:53.39 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], probably 55 |
| 06:53.40 | TheTiGuR | Yeah...I did SOI in..... aug-oct |
| 06:53.43 | Sargun | not pleasant. |
| 06:53.48 | TheTiGuR | it got pretty chilly at night towards the end |
| 06:54.00 | vontrapp | ~soi |
| 06:54.06 | ibot | somebody said soi was Silicon on Insulator a method of chip fabrication that could speed up tomorrow's processors hundredfold, or going to make computers as hella fast as Mr. T's truck. see http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/bluelogic/showcase/soi/ |
| 06:54.06 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, I hopefully hear from NavBuMed tomorrow on if I can go back in |
| 06:54.09 | mheath[laptop] | vontrapp, School of Infantry. |
| 06:54.18 | TheTiGuR | Good luck mheath[laptop] |
| 06:54.31 | TheTiGuR | I got to play in the armory waiting for pickup |
| 06:54.44 | TheTiGuR | saw a banana-peeled MK19 |
| 06:54.56 | mheath[laptop] | If not, I'm going to talk to an Army recruiter |
| 06:54.58 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, Nice |
| 06:55.05 | TheTiGuR | (automatic 40mm grenade launcher for you 'civvies' ;) |
| 06:55.12 | vontrapp | lol, hella fast as Mr. T's truck! |
| 06:55.25 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, I got to shoot one of those on a simulator, actually |
| 06:55.30 | Sargun | TheTiGuR, whoa. |
| 06:55.33 | Sargun | like, whoa. |
| 06:55.44 | TheTiGuR | I've gotten to pop a few rounds off for real |
| 06:55.57 | nick125 | ugh, I just love flash |
| 06:55.57 | mheath[laptop] | National Guard base near here has a really cool simulator. Real guns hooked up to computer, with air pressure to simulate the recoil. |
| 06:56.03 | TheTiGuR | as well as the....mmm....50mm machine just |
| 06:56.16 | mheath[laptop] | Mainly has M16A2 and M4's, but they have some cool things hooked up to it too |
| 06:56.19 | TheTiGuR | s/just/gun/ |
| 06:56.30 | mheath[laptop] | Including some odd WW2 era light artillery |
| 06:56.34 | TheTiGuR | Nice |
| 06:57.08 | mheath[laptop] | TheTiGuR, your army, right? or Guard? |
| 06:57.12 | TheTiGuR | USMC |
| 06:57.23 | mheath[laptop] | active, irr, retired? |
| 06:57.33 | mheath[laptop] | or reserve? |
| 06:57.34 | TheTiGuR | Did reserves, I am out now |
| 06:57.47 | TheTiGuR | contract expired the month before 9/11 |
| 06:57.59 | TheTiGuR | And very happy I did not renew |
| 06:58.13 | mheath[laptop] | my contract ended on the anniversary of 9/11 |
| 06:58.27 | mheath[laptop] | sucked, getting flown home on 9/11 |
| 06:58.36 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:59.04 | mheath[laptop] | I got flagged as potentially suspicious, too, and had a really throrough security check (patted me down, etc, rather than the standard medical detector and such) |
| 06:59.10 | mheath[laptop] | I was so uptight and unnatural |
| 06:59.30 | mheath[laptop] | I literally got out of a van driven by a drill instructor a few seconds before, what do you expect? :P |
| 06:59.51 | TheTiGuR | Yeah |
| 06:59.59 | TheTiGuR | I'm glad I don't fly much |
| 07:00.28 | TheTiGuR | I think I've been on a plane once (round trip) since 9/11 |
| 07:00.36 | mheath[laptop] | I always end up getting slightly sick on the landing. |
| 07:00.41 | TheTiGuR | Hooray for not having to do security checks |
| 07:00.45 | mheath[laptop] | Never throw up, just feel a bit queasy |
| 07:00.54 | mheath[laptop] | I had one really cool flight though |
| 07:01.05 | mheath[laptop] | Flying down to basic training. There was 9 of us on the plane... |
| 07:01.26 | mheath[laptop] | One of the other recruits talks a lot to one of the airplane staff people |
| 07:01.32 | mheath[laptop] | Tells them we're headed to bootcamp |
| 07:01.38 | mheath[laptop] | So they made an announcement over the intercom |
| 07:01.43 | mheath[laptop] | and everyone let us disembark first |
| 07:01.51 | TheTiGuR | Sweet |
| 07:01.53 | mheath[laptop] | clapping and cheering for us |
| 07:01.56 | mheath[laptop] | It was pretty cool |
| 07:02.01 | Tene | yay |
| 07:02.02 | TheTiGuR | Very cool |
| 07:02.49 | mheath[laptop] | I was so nervous at the time, though, it was hard to appreciate it :P |
| 07:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... haha, awesome |
| 07:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The U of U has SSH access, complete with web browsing, e-mail, and NNTP access |
| 07:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm one of, count them: seven people to have ever logged in. |
| 07:10.02 | Sargun | nice. |
| 07:10.17 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, you already have access? I thought you were starting in spring. |
| 07:10.20 | Sargun | its probably monitored heavily. |
| 07:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, not at all. |
| 07:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And I've been registered for a few months.. so I've had access for some months. |
| 07:10.53 | mheath[laptop] | How did you register so early? |
| 07:11.14 | mheath[laptop] | I was going to start in spring, and the earliest chance I would have had to register would have been this week |
| 07:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have attended Fall semester |
| 07:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ... so apparently Intro to Unix is outside my caree of study |
| 07:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite it being you know, the first requirement of my major |
| 07:13.11 | Sargun | heh |
| 07:13.53 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, just starting college? I believe they stick you in a pre-major category by default |
| 07:14.09 | mheath[laptop] | even if you've said your doing CS your not quite CS in their computer yet |
| 07:14.16 | Sargun | Does anyone here know of any good middle colleges which don't require you to be located in a certain district? |
| 07:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], well also, apparently every single class it outside my career of study. |
| 07:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | From music 1010 to soc 1010 |
| 07:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Even the Gov't 1010 class |
| 07:15.15 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, have you attended an orrientation yet? |
| 07:15.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I have. |
| 07:15.30 | mheath[laptop] | They require all freshman to attend an orientation before registering for classes, I believe. maybe you're locked out before that? |
| 07:15.32 | mheath[laptop] | ah, nevermind |
| 07:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome, they have 802.11a access there |
| 07:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm so abusing that |
| 07:19.31 | Sargun | lmao |
| 07:19.38 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, you seem like a kid in a candy shop. |
| 07:19.43 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 07:19.49 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, you living on campus? |
| 07:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | A geek with SSH and 802.11*a*... no one uses a! I'll be the ONLY ONE ON THAT SPECTRUM! |
| 07:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll be bliss. |
| 07:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], no, at home. I'll take the Trax there and back. |
| 07:20.15 | Sargun | hahahah |
| 07:20.36 | Sargun | Is trax a really cool acronym? |
| 07:20.50 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, yeah, its nice, with the free student pass they give you for UTA |
| 07:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], exactly. Any UTA venue in the valley (less the ski resorts), for free. |
| 07:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, lightrail. |
| 07:21.34 | Sargun | ah |
| 07:21.35 | Sargun | nevermind |
| 07:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence the term "Trax" |
| 07:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It goes.. over tracks ;) |
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| 09:30.59 | Tene | ibot: onjoin -bonez39 |
| 09:30.59 | ibot | ok, Tene |
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| 13:58.59 | emcnabb | good mornin' |
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| 14:09.58 | emcnabb | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-11-23-copyright-digital_x.htm |
| 14:18.37 | atoponce | emcnabb: i have never understood why i need a "tmobile phone" if i subscribe to tmobile service. |
| 14:18.56 | atoponce | i should be able to use *any* cell phone hardware with any cell phone service |
| 14:20.29 | atoponce | just as i can pick the platform and app of my choice for email, i can pick any tv for my cable/dss, i should be able to pick any cell hardware for any service |
| 14:22.33 | graphyx | atoponce: I don't think you will find anyone who doesn't disagree with you except the phone companies who still want to sell you "Their" phone. |
| 14:22.59 | graphyx | I can understand the need to limit the service to specific phones and versions of the software, but beyond that, they should be able to interoperate. |
| 14:23.21 | graphyx | You can't build a trillion dollar infrastructure without having a little flexibility. |
| 14:24.34 | atoponce | graphyx: the funny thing about it is "their phone" is also with their competitors. it's just programmed differently, but the hardware and software are the same |
| 14:25.11 | atoponce | i don't think it will be long though, before we start seeing interoperable cell hardware across differing networks |
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| 14:25.30 | goozbach | http://www.cjcc.com/Images/funny%20picts/When%20Your%20SysAdmin%20Is%20Bored.jpg |
| 14:25.35 | atoponce | the biggest problem is there are no standards between the networks |
| 14:26.17 | atoponce | goozbach: that rocks! we could totally pull that off at work |
| 14:26.30 | atoponce | i think we have ~20+ monitors |
| 14:26.38 | atoponce | just lying around |
| 14:26.43 | graphyx | I think those guys need a little more monitoring.. |
| 14:34.50 | emcnabb | atoponce: I completely agree |
| 14:50.43 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, it's more often than not just due to a software lock. They don't want you taking their phones to a competitor, end result |
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| 14:53.09 | goozbach | oh noes! es barbaroja!!! |
| 14:53.27 | goozbach | huyen!! todos!!! |
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| 14:56.09 | redbeard1 | firefox cookies! yay! |
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| 15:14.22 | graphyx | redbeard1: What are these firefox cookies? |
| 15:16.04 | redbeard1 | graphyx: http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/firefox-cookies.html |
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| 15:20.39 | goozbach | at it again barbaroja? |
| 15:20.46 | goozbach | that's your new name |
| 15:21.29 | redbeard1 | barbawhat? |
| 15:21.39 | goozbach | barbaroja |
| 15:21.41 | goozbach | roja |
| 15:21.44 | goozbach | red |
| 15:21.57 | redbeard1 | red beard? |
| 15:22.03 | goozbach | it's redbeard translated to spanish |
| 15:22.21 | redbeard1 | that's awesome! |
| 15:22.27 | redbeard1 | it sounds like barbacoa |
| 15:22.54 | goozbach | yeah |
| 15:23.02 | atoponce | which is a great mexican grill restaurant |
| 15:23.13 | redbeard1 | sure is |
| 15:23.19 | redbeard1 | i love that place |
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| 15:24.20 | graphyx | I am going to have to get some good mexican food while in Utah. |
| 15:24.30 | graphyx | They don't have any good mexican good places around here. |
| 15:24.42 | redbeard1 | graphyx: that's tragic. and it reminds me of new hampshire. |
| 15:25.01 | redbeard1 | i saw two whole mexican restaurants in new hampshire, and one was a taco bell. |
| 15:25.01 | ^Migs^ | Utah's abundance of Mexicans = great Mexican food |
| 15:25.16 | graphyx | redbeard1: That means you saw ONE mexican restaraunt. |
| 15:25.17 | redbeard1 | si |
| 15:25.23 | redbeard1 | graphyx: agreed |
| 15:25.28 | ^Migs^ | unless the other was Del Taco |
| 15:25.38 | graphyx | taco bell != mexican restaraunt. |
| 15:25.42 | graphyx | ^Migs^: yeah.. |
| 15:25.58 | ^Migs^ | I prefer my Mexican food to be made by real Mexicans |
| 15:26.08 | redbeard1 | the other was some crappy place over an hour north that everyone hated |
| 15:26.12 | graphyx | Well being made by real mexicans helps. |
| 15:26.22 | ^Migs^ | or with real Mexicans |
| 15:26.24 | graphyx | But having the proper ingrediants really helps as well. |
| 15:26.40 | redbeard1 | yeah, i never really saw any real mexicans in new hampshire. but i did know a couple of brasilians |
| 15:26.53 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Are those cookies made with real girl scouts? |
| 15:28.46 | ^Migs^ | are those French fries made with real Frenchmen? |
| 15:29.10 | graphyx | We call them freedom fries.. |
| 15:29.17 | graphyx | And yes they were made with real freedom!!! |
| 15:30.51 | ^Migs^ | God bless America |
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| 15:43.11 | graphyx | ~lart brac |
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| 15:57.30 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 15:57.59 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 15:58.42 | elg | ~lart expiring passwords |
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| 15:59.43 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
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| 16:00.05 | redbeard1 | ~lart Keighvin |
| 16:00.06 | elg | redbeard1, Jayce^: did you even get to see my awesome topic before someone replaced it with something practical? |
| 16:00.18 | Keighvin | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 16:00.19 | redbeard1 | elg: yucca? |
| 16:00.30 | elg | channel topic |
| 16:00.37 | redbeard1 | no, i didn't see it |
| 16:00.39 | Keighvin | redbeard1: That wasn't you fiddling with my .bashrc on sh-alpha, was it? |
| 16:01.00 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: your .bashrc? and how would i do that? |
| 16:01.18 | elg | something like this: "Deck the Halls with paintball pellets, fa la ... Creme Brulee with turkey giblets, fa la la..." |
| 16:01.25 | ^Migs^ | BOISE, Idaho -- Two employees of the city's ice skating rink have been fired for making a midnight fast-food run in a pair of Zambonis. An anonymous tipster reported seeing the two big ice-resurfacing machines chug through a Burger King drive-through and return to the rink about 12:30 a.m. on Nov. 10. The squat, rubber-tired vehicles, which have a top speed of about 5 m.p.h., drove 2 kilometres in all. |
| 16:01.50 | elg | must get pretty boring in idaho |
| 16:02.19 | Keighvin | redbeard1: I'm not interested in the how, that's easy enough to piece together. |
| 16:04.03 | elg | typical. my university just migrated from a bunch of static pages with some web forms thrown in for things like registration, to a "unified system" |
| 16:04.18 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: want a firefox cookie? |
| 16:04.21 | elg | I knew before visiting this wasn't going to be good. admittedly the static pages needed some TLC |
| 16:04.32 | Keighvin | Not in the office until this afternoon - save me one. |
| 16:05.01 | elg | but the new unified system is just a CRM which means it's completely user unfriendly |
| 16:05.03 | Keighvin | I know that the hack was done local to sh-alpha, so someone sudo-d to ptomlinson and did the deed. I'll have to hunt them down. |
| 16:05.13 | elg | that handy link to the class schedule on the registration page? ha. |
| 16:05.41 | elg | typical. of course it's not a modern CRM either. it looks like something in vogue from 3 years ago |
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| 16:13.56 | levi | elg: Fun! |
| 16:14.17 | levi | School IT 'upgrades' are often pretty bad. |
| 16:14.33 | levi | UVSC's was more of a step sideways than forward or back. |
| 16:19.04 | elg | and to add insult to injury, they called it myNMSU |
| 16:19.28 | elg | my.nmsu.edu instead of the old www.nmsu.edu/online |
| 16:22.52 | maquis-fiance | ~lart crunch time |
| 16:23.07 | emcnabb | ~monkey elg |
| 16:23.13 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at elg |
| 16:25.31 | graphyx | maquis-fiance: Isn't it time you got your own name? Or are you going to be playing 2nd fiddle for the rest of your life? |
| 16:26.24 | elg | ~cook ibot |
| 16:26.26 | ibot | ACTION throws ibot in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks ibot on 350 for an hour |
| 16:28.10 | vontrapp | zambonis take a ton of gas! |
| 16:28.18 | vontrapp | that would be expensive, i would fire them, too |
| 16:28.42 | graphyx | They should have gotten a picture. |
| 16:28.56 | graphyx | with the two zambonis at the drive through. |
| 16:29.17 | vontrapp | i first read the sentance as "two employees made a fast food run as zombies" |
| 16:29.26 | vontrapp | had to read it twice :) |
| 16:29.35 | graphyx | zombies take less gas. |
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| 16:30.36 | vontrapp | depends on what gas your talking about |
| 16:30.42 | vontrapp | zombies run on humans |
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| 16:30.51 | vontrapp | they'd eat probably 20 in that round trip |
| 16:33.52 | vontrapp | arg! |
| 16:33.52 | vontrapp | ~lart slow uplink |
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| 16:40.48 | elg | here's your chance to make a difference in the life of a CS grad student. I need to make up some "construct a turing machine to do X" problems, and you get to suggest X's |
| 16:41.36 | vontrapp | "... to skin a cat" |
| 16:43.01 | vontrapp | ack! why is route Y all redish with a yelling red key thing! |
| 16:43.14 | vontrapp | firefox tells me it's not encrypting all information sent |
| 16:43.21 | vontrapp | ~lart byu |
| 16:43.52 | levi | elg: Fibonacci numbers? |
| 16:44.38 | elg | vontrapp: thank you for bringing perspective to my life. as wacky as this new myNMSU thing is, it pales in comparison to route y |
| 16:44.45 | levi | elg: Hello, world? |
| 16:44.57 | vontrapp | :), your welcome elg |
| 16:45.04 | redbeard1 | ~say Hello, world! |
| 16:45.07 | ibot | Hello, world! |
| 16:45.12 | elg | levi: fibs might be good. hello world is a bit too simple. :) |
| 16:45.28 | elg | but maybe I'll throw it in as a freebie just for tradition's sake |
| 16:45.54 | graphyx | elg: calculate whether a program will finish with a defined expression set for a given language. |
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| 16:46.13 | graphyx | ie solve the halting problem for a specific simple language. |
| 16:47.57 | levi | elg: Have them implement the universal turing machine with a turing machine. |
| 16:48.11 | elg | mmm, I like that |
| 16:48.24 | elg | wonder if it's be to hard |
| 16:48.37 | vontrapp | how about make that one language where it has move-left, move-right, store, erase |
| 16:48.39 | vontrapp | what's it called |
| 16:48.40 | levi | I imagine most non-trivial things are pretty hard to write a turing machine for. |
| 16:49.00 | elg | right. which is why I have to be careful :) |
| 16:49.28 | levi | Toss care to the wind! If it's too hard, just curve it! ;) |
| 16:49.55 | elg | oh, there's going to be some curving |
| 16:49.58 | elg | no doubt about that :) |
| 16:50.13 | graphyx | You planning on throwing curve ball assignments at the class? |
| 16:50.51 | elg | min 51%, q1 56%, median 73%, mean 68.82%, q3 84%, max 86% |
| 16:50.54 | elg | so far |
| 16:51.11 | elg | one "quiz" had a high score of 72% |
| 16:51.27 | elg | and an average of 58% |
| 16:52.00 | graphyx | wow... |
| 16:52.02 | vontrapp | who's going to get me memory for christmas? |
| 16:52.16 | graphyx | Looks like you don't need to throw curve ball assignments. |
| 16:52.25 | vontrapp | just another 256 stick would suffice |
| 16:52.26 | graphyx | vontrapp: What do you need 40 pin simms |
| 16:52.27 | graphyx | ? |
| 16:52.35 | graphyx | I think I have a 256K stick around here somewhere.. |
| 16:52.38 | vontrapp | whatever an hp pavillion takes |
| 16:52.39 | elg | nope. there has been some hard stuff |
| 16:52.39 | vontrapp | dunno |
| 16:52.46 | vontrapp | laptop |
| 16:52.52 | graphyx | I'm kidding. |
| 16:53.02 | vontrapp | graphyx: yeah, probably not 40 pin simms |
| 16:53.10 | graphyx | 40 pin simms are like early 90's. |
| 16:53.16 | elg | I wouldn't have got a very good score on that quiz either, and i've purposefully put some hard stuff (but hopefully not too much) on the hw |
| 16:53.20 | graphyx | You probably want 144 pin dimms. |
| 16:53.26 | graphyx | low profile. |
| 16:53.28 | elg | in the name of discrimination. |
| 16:54.00 | levi | There are too many varieties of RAM today. Just a few years ago, just about everything had taken the same ram for years. |
| 16:54.14 | levi | Except for that RAMBUS stuff. |
| 16:54.17 | elg | mmm. maybe a sort |
| 16:54.29 | vontrapp | great, i only have three hours for my physics final |
| 16:54.35 | graphyx | quicksort. |
| 16:54.44 | elg | i think I'll let them choose the sort |
| 16:54.57 | graphyx | just don't let them get away with the random sort. |
| 16:55.02 | vontrapp | your gonna make them sort with a turing machine? |
| 16:55.08 | levi | elg: So, I wrote my genetic algorithms assignment in Scala. |
| 16:55.13 | graphyx | extra points for the quickest sort (ie actions) |
| 16:55.28 | elg | how about extra points for getting it right/ :) |
| 16:55.50 | graphyx | Are they really doing that bad? |
| 16:55.53 | graphyx | Come on. |
| 16:56.18 | graphyx | turing machine programming seems to be just a subset of machine language.. |
| 16:56.26 | graphyx | but to be honest I haven't done it in years. |
| 16:56.39 | graphyx | Not that I did much more than learn about the basics in 142/3 |
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| 16:56.59 | levi | Yeah, like programming assembly language without most of your instruction set. |
| 16:57.16 | graphyx | You just make up sub routines.. |
| 16:57.21 | graphyx | Build up a library. |
| 16:57.29 | graphyx | you only have to do a library once. |
| 16:58.47 | levi | I don't recall how composable Turing machines are, but that is still a lot of work. |
| 17:01.59 | levi | Scala turns out to be not really much at all like Ruby. It's got a really steep learning curve, thanks to the rather complex static type system. |
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| 17:15.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ahoy |
| 17:21.31 | vontrapp | achoo |
| 17:23.22 | levi | Yo. |
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| 17:26.30 | Cleetus | yarr |
| 17:42.02 | emcnabb | hola |
| 17:45.05 | levi | This would be fun if it wasn't so expensive: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ITEM-Altair-8800-Kit-Reproduction_W0QQitemZ250054310073QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:45.57 | mrpull | levi: dang. how much are the originals worth if a replica is 2K? |
| 17:46.56 | levi | Beats me. The replica is probably particularly expensive due to the attention to detail and all the custom parts that went into it. He got the original case manufacturer to make the case, for example, as a special order part. |
| 17:47.30 | Cleetus | that would be a lot of fun....good find levi |
| 17:47.55 | levi | via BoingBoing, though I'd run across it before somewhere. |
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| 17:58.10 | levi | Also full of fun stuff: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/11/the_open_source_1.html |
| 18:09.01 | levi | I'd love to play with an Altair-alike with front-panel switches and stuff, but I don't care enough about authenticity to pay that much money! |
| 18:09.31 | mrpull | levi: there has to be an emulator out there. |
| 18:09.44 | levi | An emulator wouldn't really cut it. |
| 18:10.02 | levi | Toggling front panel switches with a mouse wouldn't be the same. |
| 18:10.53 | mrpull | I suppose for me it'd help me understand if I was really interested enough to lay out some cash for a possible passing fancy :) |
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| 18:16.23 | stuporglue | I'm helping a friend get Ubuntu booting off an external HD. That's working now, but since he plugs in to different computers, he needs to reconfigure X every time he boots. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works, but the installer always picks a working configuration without asking any questions. Does anyone know how to make it auto-guess all the settings on each boot? |
| 18:17.08 | levi | I don't know, but if I were going to look, I'd examine the livecd image. |
| 18:17.44 | stuporglue | I'm downloading it now, I just thought I'd see if anyone else already knew |
| 18:19.46 | elg | levi: maybe someday you'll come across a non-authentic or DIY project |
| 18:20.42 | stuporglue | FWIW: What we had to do to make Ubuntu Edgy boot from USB on any USB bootable machine was make sure that grub was using root=$UUID instead of root=/dev/sda1 -- By making grub use UUIDs, it didn't matter what other disks were connected. The fstab also uses UUID by default in Edgy. |
| 18:21.27 | levi | elg: Perhaps. It's about as likely that I'd learn the necessary electronics and make one myself; i.e., not very. It's a nice thought, though. |
| 18:25.36 | elg | lol. I'm listening to the science friday podcast and the segment on the Ig Nobel prize is hilarious |
| 18:25.58 | elg | http://www.sciencefriday.com/feed/ |
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| 18:48.23 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, science friday! |
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| 19:09.33 | SB1-Work | Hmm, odd |
| 19:09.37 | findlay-w | indeed |
| 19:09.39 | SB1-Work | This box that I can SSH into at the U of U |
| 19:09.43 | SB1-Work | Lacks quotas |
| 19:09.50 | findlay-w | heh |
| 19:15.34 | SB1-Work | Who knows where usermod would be on SunOS? :P |
| 19:15.38 | SB1-Work | tcsh is a dirty shell, I want my good ol' bash |
| 19:16.47 | SB1-Work | Bah, more blasphemy - vim hangs once you launch it |
| 19:18.54 | mrpull | SB1-Work: you just trying to change your shell? |
| 19:19.00 | SB1-Work | mrpull, yup |
| 19:19.24 | SB1-Work | On SunOS with from what I can tell, a *massive* LDAP setup |
| 19:20.00 | mrpull | doesn't sunos have chshell? (i thought it did) |
| 19:20.17 | SB1-Work | If so, it's not in the $PATH |
| 19:21.09 | mrpull | or is it chsh? I cant remember. |
| 19:21.40 | SB1-Work | Not that either :( |
| 19:23.57 | graphyx | elg: was this podcast suppose to be accompanied by a video feed? |
| 19:24.08 | elg | no |
| 19:24.10 | SB1-Work | Sigh, oh well |
| 19:24.12 | elg | it's a radio show |
| 19:24.19 | SB1-Work | I'll just .login bash, and then deal with "exit" * 2 |
| 19:24.52 | findlay-w | not having your favorite shell in /etc/passwd is not fun |
| 19:25.10 | mrpull | SB1-Work: make an alias for exit that does the double exit |
| 19:25.13 | SB1-Work | Nope |
| 19:25.19 | SB1-Work | mrpull, that's a good idea |
| 19:25.28 | findlay-w | will that work? |
| 19:25.34 | SB1-Work | Dunno |
| 19:25.37 | SB1-Work | But it's worth a shot |
| 19:25.49 | findlay-w | you could make it recursive (: |
| 19:25.56 | SB1-Work | Or not ;) |
| 19:25.57 | mrpull | come to think of it, it probably wouldn't. |
| 19:26.18 | findlay-w | SB1-Work: the point being that it will recursively exit until you have no nested shells left |
| 19:27.16 | SB1-Work | Yeah, doesn't work |
| 19:27.17 | SB1-Work | Meh, oh well |
| 19:28.24 | findlay-w | as I said, no chsh --> no fun |
| 19:30.09 | mrpull | what if you start bash like this "/path/to/bash && exit" |
| 19:30.19 | SB1-Work | ohh |
| 19:30.27 | findlay-w | clever |
| 19:31.01 | SB1-Work | Hmm |
| 19:32.14 | SB1-Work | Nope :/ |
| 19:32.21 | findlay-w | or `alias bash='exec bash'` |
| 19:34.17 | mrpull | the && trick works (for me) to go from zsh to bash |
| 19:34.36 | mrpull | i don't know tcsh. does && even work the same? |
| 19:34.46 | SB1-Work | Couldn't tell you |
| 19:34.57 | findlay-w | what about the `exec bash` one? |
| 19:35.07 | findlay-w | does tcsh have exec? |
| 19:35.08 | SB1-Work | Eh, doesn't matter all that much to me any more |
| 19:35.15 | SB1-Work | The bash version is pretty old :p |
| 19:35.33 | findlay-w | got to love rusty old unixen |
| 19:35.35 | mrpull | SB1-Work: is zsh available? |
| 19:36.03 | SB1-Work | Nope |
| 19:38.17 | redbeard1 | http://hyperculture.org/uploads/sfomc9.jpeg |
| 19:38.51 | graphyx | lol |
| 19:52.55 | tensai | redbeard1: did you see the stuffed tomatoes I made based on the recipe from Weekend Challenge 2? |
| 19:53.13 | redbeard1 | tensai: i did man, they looked good |
| 19:53.53 | tensai | redbeard1: what do you think about thickening up the cheese mixture? |
| 19:54.49 | tensai | something so the cheese doesn't just melt all over the plate after you take your first slice |
| 19:57.22 | graphyx | elg: This podcast is hilarious. |
| 19:58.12 | redbeard1 | tensai: you could try using a bechamel to make a cheese sauce with the cream cheese. |
| 19:59.36 | tensai | redbeard1: would a bechamel ever get thick enough to slice? |
| 20:01.34 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6187302.stm |
| 20:02.49 | redbeard1 | tensai: depends on how much roux you used in it. |
| 20:06.16 | graphyx | "Whack your hands together and shower them with self esteem." |
| 20:08.31 | tensai | redbeard1: sounds interesting. a cream cheese bechamel piques my interest. |
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| 20:09.36 | vontrapp | it was delivered on wednesday, but they locked it up in the office for the whole stinkin' week |
| 20:12.07 | ^Migs^ | wtf, Google Maps says you can travel from NYC to LA in 1 day, 22 hours |
| 20:14.21 | ^Migs^ | the reverse trip, from LA to NYC is 200 miles longer and takes 2 days, 2 hours |
| 20:15.20 | findlay-w | you'd have to have a huge gas tank to do that |
| 20:16.23 | Tene | ^Migs^: rotation of the earth |
| 20:16.29 | Tene | of course |
| 20:16.40 | findlay-w | yeah, the Coriolis effect |
| 20:16.44 | ^Migs^ | so the earth rotating causes the trip to be 200 miles longer? |
| 20:17.30 | Tene | Yes. |
| 20:19.28 | ^Migs^ | Wow, that's amazing |
| 20:19.49 | ^Migs^ | from now on, I'm only traveling west. |
| 20:20.19 | Tene | good plan. |
| 20:20.20 | levi | ^Migs^: It's all those one-way freeways. |
| 20:20.22 | Tene | that's what I do. |
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| 20:32.47 | ^Migs^ | wtf, it's snowing |
| 20:32.53 | linuxalien | Snow! |
| 20:33.01 | linuxalien | Everyone get in their SUVs and drive crazy! |
| 20:33.06 | linuxalien | Ready! Set! Go! |
| 20:38.53 | ^Migs^ | I don't have an SUV |
| 20:39.16 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: the difference in travel time might have to do with the length of the day (i.e. daylight hours), but it doesn't sound like that's it, since there's a mileage difference too. Do the two trips take the same route the whole way? |
| 20:40.50 | ^Migs^ | clearly not |
| 20:41.00 | ^Migs^ | but all I did was click "Reverse Directions" |
| 20:41.14 | linuxalien | me niehter |
| 20:41.16 | linuxalien | neither |
| 20:42.13 | mrpull | i told my wife to avoid driving in the snow today |
| 20:42.25 | mrpull | and promptly got rear-ended (before the snow flew) |
| 20:42.36 | ^Migs^ | women shouldn't be driving in the snow, period. |
| 20:43.33 | mrpull | ^migs^: who'd go buy your groceries then? |
| 20:44.15 | mrpull | (or some other chauvinist remark) |
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| 20:45.34 | macnewbold | they'd just walk |
| 20:45.35 | macnewbold | or take a bus |
| 20:45.40 | macnewbold | driven by a man |
| 20:45.46 | jbellis | is there a way to get syslog-ng to restart a "program" destination if it crashes or is killed? |
| 20:46.43 | jbellis | oops, found a google reference: "Program restarting is already implemented in 1.9.x branch." |
| 20:46.50 | jbellis | [i'm on 1.6] |
| 20:47.53 | goozbach | mrpull: you got rear-ended? |
| 20:47.55 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 20:48.07 | goozbach | that's what you get for talking on your cell phone while driving. |
| 20:48.10 | mrpull | goozbach: yeah, it wasn't a big deal |
| 20:48.16 | mrpull | goozbach: fortunately I wasn't :) |
| 20:48.36 | mrpull | goozbach: it is my wife's company car and they asked that specifically |
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| 20:52.12 | ^Migs^ | I'd have my groceries delivered |
| 20:52.44 | mrpull | by a man? could you trust him in your house with a woman you cant trust to drive? |
| 20:53.55 | ^Migs^ | yeah, any man in my house is a potential seducer |
| 20:54.02 | macnewbold | so how does you talking on your cell phone or not having to do with you getting rear-ended? Wouldn't that be a question for the driver who didn't stop in time? |
| 20:55.13 | mrpull | macnewbold: the guy who hit me wasn't chatting on the phone. he just figured he should proceed because the light was green |
| 20:55.26 | mrpull | DESPITE the fact there were 5 cars at a dead stop behind him! |
| 20:55.35 | mrpull | ERRRR in front of him |
| 20:55.37 | mrpull | i'm an idiot |
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| 21:19.35 | levi | mrpull: Well, green means go, right? Who is he to argue with that? |
| 21:20.39 | mrpull | levi: he accepted responsibility. fortunately it wasn't a big deal. had my kids been in the car I probably would have reacted differently. |
| 21:21.35 | levi | It's usually futile to try to pin the blame on the other guy when you rear-end someone. |
| 21:22.16 | mrpull | true, but many people aren't as logical as you are :) |
| 21:22.19 | tensai | levi: especially when the other car is parked |
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| 21:24.17 | mrpull | i've had friends that could shift the blame for _anything_ on to the innocent. |
| 21:24.48 | levi | A useful skill, that, if you happen to be low on ethics. |
| 21:26.45 | goozbach | levi: or in office :) |
| 21:34.07 | macnewbold | isn't that the same thing usually? |
| 21:35.30 | Tene | http://aram.xkcd.com:8080/imgsample/warrantyvoid.png |
| 21:36.37 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 21:36.51 | SB1-Work | Talk about taking things literally |
| 21:41.03 | synic | is rsync a good solution for mirroring ... say 600+GB of <2MB files? So far the biggest overhead is when the server running rsyncd is "building list of files" |
| 21:42.01 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 21:42.08 | Lone_Wanderer | far as I know anyway |
| 21:42.17 | Lone_Wanderer | rsync will only copy the differences over |
| 21:42.26 | synic | the copying isn't the problem |
| 21:42.44 | Tene | synic: make sure you're using actual rsync everywhere |
| 21:42.48 | graphyx | dave barry's gift guide. |
| 21:42.51 | graphyx | http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/living/16103098.htm?source=rss&channel=sunherald_living |
| 21:42.51 | synic | that "building list of files" seems to take the most time, and also seems to consume a lot of bandwidth |
| 21:42.51 | Tene | instead of, like, rsync-over-ssh |
| 21:43.12 | jsmith | rsync-over-rsh (just don't forget to turn off rsh afterward) |
| 21:43.12 | synic | Tene: it's definitely rsync |
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| 21:44.17 | synic | what exactly is that building list of files part doing? creating a hash of each file, or just checking modification times? |
| 21:46.46 | jsmith | hash |
| 21:47.35 | synic | bleh. Hrmm, in this particular case, no files will change. Just new files will be created. |
| 21:47.46 | synic | would it be better just to have a script that grabs all the new files? |
| 21:50.51 | mrpull | synic: are the filenames sequential? or random(ish)? |
| 21:51.28 | synic | well... not really. They are named with a timestamp, but are strewn about in different directories |
| 21:51.51 | Tene | synic: rsync has a lot of options to reduce the amount of checking |
| 21:52.08 | mrpull | perhaps a script with globs that reference the timestamps would be less expensive than rsync |
| 21:52.30 | Tene | look at... uh... |
| 21:54.30 | Tene | --size-only should be faster |
| 21:54.43 | synic | cool |
| 21:56.50 | Lone_Wanderer | can ext3 span drives? |
| 21:57.12 | jsmith | If you're using LVM, yes... |
| 22:03.16 | emcnabb | or raid :-) |
| 22:05.21 | ^Migs^ | http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/the_wonder_twins_take_sean_shopping.php |
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| 22:22.00 | emcnabb | ~stab mheath[laptop] |
| 22:22.11 | ibot | ACTION runs at mheath[laptop] with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 22:36.19 | elg | so is he obsessed with brittney and/or paris, or what was that? |
| 22:57.28 | Tene | http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000331.html |
| 23:06.25 | Lone_Wanderer | dns ttl is in seconds right? |
| 23:06.50 | SB1-Work | Yes |
| 23:06.52 | Tene | yes |
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