| 00:00.47 | Tene | ~modifier levi_home |
| 00:01.36 | Tene | ibot: modifier $target is <action> crushes $target between Super and Meta. |
| 00:01.37 | ibot | Tene: okay |
| 00:01.39 | Tene | ~modifier levi_home |
| 00:01.40 | ibot | ACTION crushes levi_home between Super and Meta. |
| 00:03.11 | Tene | yay! |
| 00:03.23 | Tene | givelic algorithms! |
| 00:08.50 | goozbach | yay! vacations! |
| 00:09.13 | Tene | Too much vacation for me. |
| 00:09.18 | goozbach | boo going back to work after 17 days off! |
| 00:09.22 | Tene | I'm ready to get back home and get back to my life. |
| 00:09.38 | Tene | Flight isn't until Tuesday night, though. |
| 00:09.40 | goozbach | where you at? |
| 00:09.44 | Tene | NYC |
| 00:09.53 | Tene | Visiting my sister. |
| 00:10.16 | Tene | I was in Philadelphia for a convention/visiting a friend, and thoguht I'd stop by here for Thanksgiving. |
| 00:10.17 | goozbach | coo |
| 00:11.20 | goozbach | i'm on my way to a red-eye flight in vegas |
| 00:13.11 | goozbach | take off at 10:58 |
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| 00:16.33 | levi_home | Dang it, the cheap seats are sold out for the Dvorak symphony. |
| 00:16.44 | goozbach | it's been nice having all this time off |
| 00:16.47 | goozbach | m |
| 00:16.54 | levi_home | Almost $60 is a lot to pay for a show right now. |
| 00:17.05 | goozbach | but monday morning will suck! |
| 00:17.16 | levi_home | Oh well. |
| 00:20.03 | goozbach | 60 dollars could be worth it. |
| 00:20.22 | goozbach | who's performing? |
| 00:20.25 | levi_home | Cash is tight these days. |
| 00:20.37 | goozbach | true |
| 00:20.59 | levi_home | Utah Symphony Orchestra doing Dvorak's 9th Symphony and a couple other pieces. |
| 00:21.09 | levi_home | I LOVE Dvorak's 9th. |
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| 00:21.37 | levi_home | But enough other people do as well that I ought to be able to catch it some other time. |
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| 01:11.04 | maquis | yay for HP printers |
| 01:11.16 | maquis | got a printer, then checked linuxprinting.org... and it's fully supported |
| 01:15.38 | levi_home | Wouldn't it be better to do that the other way around? ;) |
| 01:16.17 | graphyx | only if the result had been different. |
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| 01:21.48 | graphyx | I have to share this story cause it is cute as a button. |
| 01:22.02 | graphyx | We put Morgan, 2.5 years, to bed around 7:00. |
| 01:22.19 | graphyx | And my youngest Mason, 13 months, is crawling around now. |
| 01:22.27 | Tene | Buttons really aren't very cute, though. |
| 01:22.35 | graphyx | We have to close the door to the bedroom to keep Morgan in there. |
| 01:22.39 | graphyx | cause he doesn't like to sleep. |
| 01:22.51 | graphyx | So Mason apparently has learned that Morgan will hang out at the door. |
| 01:23.07 | graphyx | And crawled to the door and peeked under it to play with morgan. |
| 01:23.13 | Tene | :D |
| 01:23.29 | Tene | That is much cuter than a button! |
| 01:23.40 | graphyx | And tonight mason initiated the playing at the door including shrieks of joy and fun coming from him on his way to the door. |
| 01:24.01 | Tene | Either you have strange standards or I have the wrong kind of buttons! |
| 01:24.21 | graphyx | Tene: what would be a better cliche'? |
| 01:25.04 | macnewbold | it is indeed cute. but I've never met a cute button. |
| 01:25.51 | Tene | graphyx: personally, I'd have used "because it is very cute", but I'm not very creative. |
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| 01:26.01 | macnewbold | ditto |
| 01:26.05 | Tene | I appreciate the story very much, however. |
| 01:26.15 | Tene | I don't really object to you using that cliche. |
| 01:28.05 | graphyx | Tene: I wasn't ignoring you, just tucking my daughter in. |
| 01:28.11 | graphyx | Just wanted to share. |
| 01:28.14 | graphyx | Kids are great. |
| 01:28.38 | graphyx | We had thanksgiving with a couple of other "orphaned" families out here in AR. |
| 01:28.49 | graphyx | And one of them has a 21 yr old son who just got back from his mission. |
| 01:29.03 | graphyx | He has hung out with my wife and kids a couple of times. |
| 01:29.17 | graphyx | And has really taken to playing with my son, Max (4). |
| 01:29.24 | graphyx | His mom asked him, see you like kids. |
| 01:29.29 | graphyx | He said, no I don't like kids. what about MAx? |
| 01:29.34 | graphyx | Well he is different. he is a cool kid. |
| 01:29.41 | graphyx | It was rather amuzing. |
| 01:29.57 | graphyx | But I agree Max is a great kid. |
| 01:40.27 | maquis | graphyx: i enjoyed the story |
| 01:41.18 | maquis | hrmmm... apparently i don't have rights to add a printer to my computer |
| 01:48.33 | maquis | apparently the trick is to just set it to allow anyone from localhost... |
| 01:51.49 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: I'm at AppleBees. what should I get? |
| 01:53.19 | maquis | the chicken sandwich with the buffalo wing sauce is good |
| 01:53.32 | maquis | i don't know if that's what mheath would recommend, but it is good |
| 01:54.28 | emcnabb | sounds yummy |
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| 01:57.28 | maquis | it is |
| 01:58.13 | Tene | I enjoyed some kind of chicken fajita oslt the last time I was there. |
| 01:59.10 | emcnabb | hum.... I still have a sec to decide |
| 02:01.51 | macnewbold | if you like appetizers, the sampler platter is good and quite filling too |
| 02:02.06 | macnewbold | if you're indecisive, you could make a meal out of it |
| 02:02.31 | macnewbold | I think I got the boneless chicken "sticky fingers" thing last time |
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| 02:16.54 | levi_home | Boy, you guys sure go to Applebees a lot. |
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| 02:28.19 | emcnabb | ugh, so slow... |
| 02:39.46 | macnewbold | still waiting? |
| 02:56.57 | emcnabb | that was the worst dinning experience I've had in years |
| 02:57.00 | emcnabb | wow |
| 03:00.06 | macnewbold | haha |
| 03:00.13 | macnewbold | tell us the story if you've got a sec... |
| 03:00.22 | nick125 | yayayaya! story time! |
| 03:03.00 | emcnabb | I will in a sec |
| 03:05.22 | macnewbold | which applebees location, too |
| 03:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:05.46 | macnewbold | I bet mheath will have something to say when he sees this :) |
| 03:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I think we all know that ;) |
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| 03:28.14 | nick125 | want to play some cards? |
| 03:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Pass |
| 03:32.13 | nick125 | we can use PCI cards |
| 03:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I might just take them and run away :p |
| 03:34.30 | nick125 | hey, if you want an old intel 2100 DSL modem, here, take it |
| 03:35.36 | nick125 | it only works on CAP provisioned lines, not DMT |
| 03:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
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| 04:14.37 | mheath[laptop] | Hah. Mark Shuttleworth is pathetic |
| 04:14.46 | mheath[laptop] | That post on the OpenSUSE list is so out of place. |
| 04:14.55 | mheath[laptop] | even more pathetic, though, is the responses to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022578.html |
| 04:15.22 | mheath[laptop] | Thats a statirical reply. Basically takens Mark Shuttleworths original article and switches the words "ubuntu" and "opensuse" |
| 04:15.51 | mheath[laptop] | It even SAYS its satire. I found it simple and good natured, poking a bit of fun at how inappropriate Mark Shuttleworths post to the OPenSuSE list |
| 04:16.04 | mheath[laptop] | However, theres tons of replies to that of angry people calling the person a 'troll' |
| 04:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Satire can easily be used to troll. |
| 04:24.13 | tristanbob | mheath[laptop]: Mark did make a mistake posting that message on their mailing list |
| 04:24.43 | tristanbob | But I have to give him credit for the various other things he does very well |
| 04:24.45 | mheath[laptop] | tristanbob, he didn't just make a mistake. He was rediculously out of line. |
| 04:24.50 | mheath[laptop] | That was so insanely inappropriate. |
| 04:24.51 | tristanbob | hopefully he will learn from his mistake |
| 04:25.38 | mheath[laptop] | Guess what, OpenSUSE developers? Our project is so much better than yours is. Yours just sucks now. So you'd better abandon it, and come help us! |
| 04:26.11 | tristanbob | something like that - only he is not insulting the quality of the OS, just the commercial direction regarding patents |
| 04:27.39 | mheath[laptop] | I didn't say he was insulting the quality. He was insulting the project. |
| 04:27.58 | mheath[laptop] | If you disagree with something in principle, great. |
| 04:28.08 | tristanbob | yes - he shouldn't have done that on their mailing list |
| 04:28.18 | mheath[laptop] | But going about trying to persuade others to your opinion in that way is wrong. |
| 04:28.23 | mheath[laptop] | Mark Shuttleworth was just being a huge troll. |
| 04:28.51 | tristanbob | what is the goal of a troll? I don't think he was a troll |
| 04:29.09 | macnewbold | ~troll |
| 04:29.11 | ibot | hmm... troll is a race on some muds; a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or ... |
| 04:29.48 | emcnabb | macnewbold: I wrote up my applebees experience. when I get home I'll post it online |
| 04:29.57 | macnewbold | haha |
| 04:29.59 | macnewbold | great! |
| 04:30.15 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, which applebees did you eat at? |
| 04:30.19 | emcnabb | i used to like it |
| 04:30.30 | macnewbold | I know ScytheBlade1 and nick125 were interested too |
| 04:30.33 | emcnabb | one in Virginia |
| 04:30.36 | macnewbold | ah |
| 04:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, or just home bored :) |
| 04:30.55 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, the experience negative, then? |
| 04:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm about to post something myself |
| 04:31.11 | emcnabb | horrible :( |
| 04:31.30 | mheath[laptop] | I can't answer for all Applebees. |
| 04:31.38 | emcnabb | I know |
| 04:31.50 | mheath[laptop] | A lot of the policies that I believe make ours superior in customer survice are franchise-owner policies, not corporate policies. |
| 04:31.52 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.55 | mheath[laptop] | *service |
| 04:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That bad huh? |
| 04:32.07 | cww | emcnabb, got roundcube going, much better than squirrellmail |
| 04:32.23 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, if theres is anytihng like ours, though...next time your there, if you have a bad experience, ask to talk to a manager. |
| 04:32.37 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: thats providing there is a next time |
| 04:32.49 | mheath[laptop] | The managers at ours will load you up with free food and such, very easily. |
| 04:33.01 | macnewbold | which if the food was the problem, is mostly worthless :) |
| 04:33.23 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, what did you have to eat? |
| 04:34.19 | emcnabb | cww oh yeah? |
| 04:34.38 | emcnabb | mheath, manger wouldnlt come |
| 04:34.57 | emcnabb | Santa Fe Chicken salad |
| 04:35.05 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, what the heck? |
| 04:35.16 | mheath[laptop] | That would NEVER happen in ours, I can promise you that. |
| 04:35.27 | mheath[laptop] | You ask for a manager, a manager will be at your table ASAP |
| 04:35.27 | emcnabb | I'll show you what I wrote up |
| 04:35.42 | mheath[laptop] | we are VERY good at taking care of our customers, especially when theres some issue/problem |
| 04:35.48 | cww | emcnabb, yeah, was really simple |
| 04:35.48 | emcnabb | in back seat of ca typing on treo right now |
| 04:36.08 | emcnabb | car |
| 04:36.21 | mheath[laptop] | Hmmm. I was never a fan of the Santa Fe.... |
| 04:36.39 | emcnabb | cww we migrated everything over yesterday except for bind |
| 04:36.52 | nick125 | roundcube is pretty awesome |
| 04:37.04 | emcnabb | it seems smooth |
| 04:37.11 | macnewbold | I took a look at it briefly, and it looked good, but I haven't gotten around to setting it up yet |
| 04:37.32 | mheath[laptop] | Hey, I have a question |
| 04:37.33 | macnewbold | as we currently have both squirrelmail, horde/imp, and regular pop/imap/smtp access set up for our customers |
| 04:37.49 | emcnabb | so much to do, so little time |
| 04:38.19 | mheath[laptop] | Do you think that working with large computer networks in the USN for 4+ years would be very good expereince when trying to get a technician or network admin job in the civilian world? |
| 04:39.10 | mheath[laptop] | And, assuming it included lots of formal job training, do you think it would be equivelent experience in the phrase "bachelors degree or equivelent experience"? |
| 04:39.12 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: cww would know |
| 04:39.13 | macnewbold | USN= Navy? |
| 04:39.30 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, Yes. |
| 04:39.51 | macnewbold | mheath: as an employer, I'd say it would definitely help, and probably count as equivalent experience |
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| 04:40.18 | mheath[laptop] | I'm trying to decide if I should go for an IT job |
| 04:40.39 | mheath[laptop] | I kind of don't want to do an IT job in the Navy, but I _do_ want one in the civilian world afterwords. |
| 04:41.17 | emcnabb | later all |
| 04:41.20 | macnewbold | g'night |
| 04:41.23 | macnewbold | send a link when you get that posted |
| 04:41.28 | macnewbold | you've got me very curious now |
| 04:41.48 | mheath[laptop] | And the idea of just signing up for "an IT job" scares me |
| 04:42.06 | mheath[laptop] | Because in the USN, that can vary from admining really cool Linux clusters to providing phone tech support for windows machines. |
| 04:42.41 | cww | mheath, it all depends on where you get stationed |
| 04:43.02 | mheath[laptop] | cww, yeah, but my duty station isn't guaranteed in my enlistment. |
| 04:43.11 | mheath[laptop] | Thats what I'm saying |
| 04:43.15 | cww | indeed, not much is ecept the commitment |
| 04:43.34 | mheath[laptop] | Its a job that could be really cool and provide great training, or could really suck, and I have no control over it. |
| 04:43.49 | cww | but don;t, not enlist b/c of wht you might or might not get |
| 04:44.01 | cww | you'll have no control, that is a given |
| 04:44.36 | mheath[laptop] | I have no interest in being in the USN, to be honest; I just have an interest in being in the military. And I can't get back into the Marine Corps, so.... :P |
| 04:44.39 | cww | what your after is the years of experience, not just a particular job, make sure you're enlisting for the right reasons |
| 04:45.45 | macnewbold | and don't forget, the Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard are options too. National Guard is military too, last I checked. |
| 04:45.57 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, Army is a last resort. |
| 04:45.57 | macnewbold | Reserves might be a good option too |
| 04:45.59 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 04:46.13 | mheath[laptop] | If NavBuMed says no to my reenlistment, I'm going to go talk to an Army recruiter |
| 04:46.23 | mheath[laptop] | because Army will probably say yes. They're usually very lenient with medical waivers. |
| 04:46.37 | macnewbold | go coast guard :) |
| 04:46.48 | mheath[laptop] | Don't joke like that. :P |
| 04:47.08 | mheath[laptop] | Nah, I'm not doing reserves either. I don't know what I want to do with my life at this point. |
| 04:47.12 | macnewbold | well, at least you'd know you wouldn't get stationed far far away, since CG is homeland defense stuff |
| 04:47.14 | mheath[laptop] | I'm really struggling with that |
| 04:47.18 | cww | AF has some nteresting rates |
| 04:47.26 | mheath[laptop] | I was going to start college, I was going ot get a new job....nothing really 'fits', though. |
| 04:47.37 | mheath[laptop] | cww, yep, AF is the best civlian job in the military. |
| 04:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], start college. Hard to go wrong that way, even if it doesn't "fit". |
| 04:48.03 | cww | they have the best amenities, and you might get stationed at Hickam |
| 04:48.10 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, I really don't have the money to do that right now. |
| 04:48.16 | macnewbold | yeah, we've been trying to tell him college is a good way to go, but he doesn't want to listen :) |
| 04:48.28 | macnewbold | college doesn't have to cost a fortune |
| 04:48.38 | macnewbold | even if you can't get scholarships |
| 04:48.40 | mheath[laptop] | cww, no airforce. My dad was airforce for 30 years; that is a tradition I will NOT be carrying on. |
| 04:48.46 | cww | indeed, go to school, defer it all and pay it when your makin the big bucks |
| 04:49.12 | macnewbold | financial aid is pretty good, even before you take out loans, and a part time job will usually cover the rest if necessary |
| 04:49.20 | mheath[laptop] | I'm really not ready for it. I struggled with highschool so much, and that wasn't very long ago. |
| 04:49.30 | macnewbold | if you can do it while living at home or somewhere else with free room and board, it's not too hard |
| 04:49.39 | mheath[laptop] | I'm really worried I'd be wasting my money, getting bad grades. |
| 04:49.48 | macnewbold | grades only matter until graduation mostly |
| 04:50.05 | cww | then study hard and get good grades, it is all up to you |
| 04:50.14 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, heh, my dad is ready to kick me out (I mean, he already THOUGHT I was leaving, with the USMC, but that didn't last too long). He's planning on selling hte house and buying a condo |
| 04:50.38 | macnewbold | if you think you'll end up going back to college later anyway, just get it started now, and keep your head in the game |
| 04:50.53 | macnewbold | I know many who delayed and delayed and regret it bigtime |
| 04:51.18 | macnewbold | getting a four year degree 6-8 years after high school, with nothing much else to show for that time of your life, isn't a fun prospect |
| 04:51.19 | mheath[laptop] | cww, whats your rank and rating? |
| 04:51.28 | mheath[laptop] | (I take it your navy / prior navy?) |
| 04:52.05 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, I was going to do that too |
| 04:52.13 | mheath[laptop] | I got discouraged with financial aid |
| 04:52.16 | mheath[laptop] | Going in circles. |
| 04:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's confusing stuff at times, no doubt there. |
| 04:52.34 | mheath[laptop] | Everyone told me I should put YES, I am a Veteran, on the FAFSA |
| 04:52.58 | mheath[laptop] | I was in for a VERY short time because of my injury, but their qualifications are that you spent ANY time active duty and that it wasn't a dishonorable discharge. Both are true for me, so I put yes. |
| 04:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is correct, yeah |
| 04:53.24 | mheath[laptop] | And I've been led in circles every since |
| 04:53.56 | mheath[laptop] | Then reason I did that is, because I'm still 17 (for a bit), I'm still my dads dependent. |
| 04:54.06 | mheath[laptop] | His assets disqualify me from any financial aid, basically. |
| 04:54.13 | mheath[laptop] | Whereas if I'm a veteran, I'm independent |
| 04:54.33 | mheath[laptop] | UoU said that dept of vets affairs didn't confirm my status (which is normal, given how shortly ago I was kicked out) |
| 04:54.49 | mheath[laptop] | So they give me a generic "Change of Dependency Status" form |
| 04:55.07 | mheath[laptop] | Which was a two page written statement about me, and 3 letters of people of repute from the community |
| 04:55.22 | mheath[laptop] | They don't accept a DD-214 as proof that I was in the military, which is complete BS. |
| 04:55.54 | mheath[laptop] | How am I going to write two pages and get 3 letters simply about how I was in the military? |
| 04:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder where my FAFSA papers went.. |
| 04:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I know they're around here somewhere.. |
| 04:56.19 | mheath[laptop] | then Utah dept of veterans affairs won't return my calls or emails |
| 04:56.26 | mheath[laptop] | Its just been a rediculous, discouraging process |
| 04:56.41 | mheath[laptop] | And right in the middle of it, I got renewed hope that I might be able to go back into the military |
| 04:56.50 | mheath[laptop] | So I kinda put my plans with college on hold |
| 04:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 04:58.08 | levi_home | Heh, some Australian film director decided to go annoy Utahns door-to-door because the Mormon missionaries annoyed him: http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=185806 |
| 05:01.14 | mheath[laptop] | "I don't remember the part of the bible where it says "And Jesus said to his flock, go around annoying the $%$# out of people by banging on their door in the mornng" |
| 05:05.56 | cww | well, on the bright side, some Muslim group's motto is kill or convert, so we should count our blessings |
| 05:07.01 | cww | iwhen I was moving from a condo to my house, a couple of kids on their mission helped me move, I didn;t even ask them, they just showed up. They worked theor butts off |
| 05:07.46 | mheath[laptop] | cww, are you Navy / Prior Navy, then? |
| 05:08.19 | cww | prior, got out in 97, went in 86 |
| 05:08.30 | mheath[laptop] | cww, what was your rank and rating? |
| 05:09.11 | levi_home | cww: They do that because it's actually more fun than banging on doors. ;) |
| 05:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | levi_home, that movie is pretty awesome |
| 05:09.42 | mheath[laptop] | The situation in Iraq makes me want to join the Army. So I can go infantry again. |
| 05:09.47 | cww | levi_home: lol, could be, they were very nice |
| 05:09.59 | mheath[laptop] | And help personally to improve the situation. Maybe save someones life. |
| 05:10.01 | cww | mheath, I was a submariner, FT |
| 05:10.09 | levi_home | While on my mission, I helped a guy paint his house that he had rented out to a woman who turned into a crack-hound and trashed it. |
| 05:10.37 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: How naive of you. |
| 05:11.30 | mheath[laptop] | cww, what exactly is the difference between FT and FC? Never understood that :P |
| 05:11.59 | cww | FT == subs FC == surface |
| 05:12.15 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, What? If I join, it makes it all the more likely that some guy whos been over there 4 times, who is loosing his edge, getting tired, and missing his family can come home. |
| 05:12.19 | mheath[laptop] | It makes a difference. |
| 05:12.22 | mheath[laptop] | cww, ah. |
| 05:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | levi_home, a haha, that video just might be awesome. |
| 05:12.49 | mheath[laptop] | cww, I played with a lot of different rating ideas. QM, OS.. |
| 05:13.04 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, I liked his monologue intro more than the actual knocking on doors. |
| 05:13.08 | mheath[laptop] | They were kind of boring and expected. |
| 05:13.58 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: If you want to look at it that way, okay, but you will be hard-pressed to track any effect like that you'd have. |
| 05:14.24 | mheath[laptop] | Who said I needed to track it? |
| 05:15.17 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: If you didn't, you wouldn't have any evidence that your action made any difference at all. |
| 05:15.54 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, how about donating money to charities? I don't have any evidence that my action made any difference at all. |
| 05:17.17 | mheath[laptop] | I try to do good for the sake of doing good, not so I can guage how much good I'm doing and pat myself on the back. |
| 05:18.14 | levi_home | Donating money to charities don't involve handing your body and soul over to an organization devoted to war. Which is not in itself an unjustifiable proposition, but they don't compare very well. |
| 05:18.23 | levi_home | s/don't/doesn't/ |
| 05:18.57 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, I would never do anything unethical. Everything I do, I devote myself to helping others and improving their situation. |
| 05:19.50 | cww | the military isn;t in a position to help ppl in Iraq, not until the Iraqis stop slaughtering each other |
| 05:20.11 | levi_home | That's good, of course, but I question the amount of good you could do as an infantry soldier as opposed to doing something else with your potential. |
| 05:21.59 | mheath[laptop] | Wow. I can sleep in tomorrow. |
| 05:22.02 | mheath[laptop] | I have no work tomorrow |
| 05:22.08 | mheath[laptop] | When does this ever happen? |
| 05:22.10 | mheath[laptop] | this is amazing. |
| 05:26.03 | levi_home | I haven't gone to work since Wednesday. |
| 05:26.13 | mheath[laptop] | You suck. |
| 05:27.21 | levi_home | No, I just have a good job. You can too, if you don't run off to the military. |
| 05:27.44 | levi_home | (not that there aren't decent jobs in the military, but infantry isn't one of them) |
| 05:28.08 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, I really can't explain what draws me to infantry |
| 05:28.27 | mheath[laptop] | Even before I chose USMC infantry....a few months before that, I would have told you that INfantry was a stupid idea, and I'd never consider that. |
| 05:28.53 | levi_home | Clearly you should revisit your earlier mental state, since you seem to have gone insane. |
| 05:30.29 | mheath[laptop] | I'm considering designing a kitchen management system for restraunts. |
| 05:30.52 | levi_home | Now there's a sane proposition, though not one without obstacles. |
| 05:31.08 | mheath[laptop] | Ours at applebees has so many bugs and problems and weird kinks |
| 05:31.13 | mheath[laptop] | Everyones always talking about how much it sucks |
| 05:31.33 | mheath[laptop] | So I started to think: why not write a new one? |
| 05:31.46 | cww | levi is right, Infantry ins;t going to give you a marketable skill when you get out, IT or a tech rate will |
| 05:32.11 | mheath[laptop] | Me developing it by myself would make it so I could sell it for fairly cheap, and I'm sure I could design a system vastly superior to their current one. |
| 05:33.14 | mheath[laptop] | cww, yeah, I know. |
| 05:33.19 | macnewbold | make sure to consider building something better, and not selling it as cheap |
| 05:33.27 | macnewbold | in fact, I bet you'd have a hard time selling it if it were cheap |
| 05:33.38 | macnewbold | (in price or in construction/appearance) |
| 05:34.15 | mheath[laptop] | The setup we have is one server (also doubles as a desktop for office work), and 6 dumb terminals. |
| 05:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I specifically remember a neighbor of mine, who when I mentioned MySQL, he instantly disregarded it and wrote it off, *just* due to the price. |
| 05:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And then bought MSSQL. |
| 05:34.29 | mheath[laptop] | The terminals run MS-DOS locally, and display what the server tells them to |
| 05:34.46 | mheath[laptop] | The thing is, the terminals frequently freeze up. I don't understand how they're dumb terminals and just one freezes up, but it happens. |
| 05:34.47 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: hmm |
| 05:35.12 | mheath[laptop] | The credit card system is a piece of crap, too. |
| 05:35.23 | mheath[laptop] | And the interface is non-intuitive, especially when it comes to food modifications |
| 05:35.42 | macnewbold | you said the answer already, mheath: they run dos, a microsoft operating system |
| 05:35.47 | nick125 | personally, I would have a XMLRPC server, and a bunch of clients running a custom application |
| 05:36.13 | macnewbold | there are already a lot of restaurant management software/hardware systems out there, |
| 05:36.14 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, the clients aren't capable of running anything intensive. |
| 05:36.21 | macnewbold | you ought to find out why they're not using one already |
| 05:36.23 | mheath[laptop] | They're very minimal touchscreen POS devices. |
| 05:36.35 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: hmm |
| 05:36.44 | nick125 | maybe an embedded device? |
| 05:36.44 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, buzzwords are only worth so much. |
| 05:36.56 | mheath[laptop] | One thing that drives me insane is just a device configuration issue: they have them set to spend like 40 tries network booting, when they dont boot from the network |
| 05:37.05 | macnewbold | by POS do you mean point of sale or the other definition? |
| 05:37.07 | mheath[laptop] | So the machines literally take like 20 minutes longer booting than necessary. |
| 05:37.12 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, point of sale. |
| 05:37.14 | macnewbold | ah |
| 05:37.15 | cww | buzzwords create Synergy on A Go Forward Basis |
| 05:37.15 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.35 | mheath[laptop] | They're basically cash register type appliances (modern with a touchscreen, not buttons, but the same idea) |
| 05:38.42 | mheath[laptop] | But the software....clean up the credit card system, make the interface more intuitive, and it would be vastly superior. |
| 05:39.00 | mheath[laptop] | Oh, and make the software more failsafe so that nothing can crash the entire system. |
| 05:39.08 | mheath[laptop] | Theres a few things that will bring down EVERYTHING. |
| 05:39.14 | mheath[laptop] | And a few instances where everything has to be rebooted. |
| 05:39.50 | mheath[laptop] | The problem is, I don't know everything that this software handles |
| 05:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], one thing that I always think of too late: what the current system does *well*, and just how much work it'd take to get something to do half of what it does, half as decently. |
| 05:40.32 | mheath[laptop] | I know it handles pay, claimed tips, sales, credit cards, etc..........but I don't know what else it does. |
| 05:40.46 | mheath[laptop] | I don't know if its part of the same system that handles inventory management, projected sales, etc, or what. |
| 05:40.54 | mheath[laptop] | Or if thats a seperate program |
| 05:41.03 | Tene | so borrow a copy and set it up! |
| 05:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:41.23 | mheath[laptop] | and I don't know what my managers would think if I started asking weird questions about parts of the software that I never see, use, or need to know about. |
| 05:41.44 | mheath[laptop] | oh, another thing it does: handles the kitchen |
| 05:42.03 | mheath[laptop] | Times when items are displayed to the cooks, splits up items into various monitors in various workspaces....etc. |
| 05:42.41 | mheath[laptop] | I think the system would benefit from more intuitive timing algorithms, too. Perhaps based on passed events. |
| 05:42.57 | mheath[laptop] | Right now, It sends a Well Done steak back to the cooks before a Rare steak |
| 05:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], I meant to place emhpasis on the latter half of my sentence. |
| 05:43.32 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, assuming theres not much going on behind the scenes of what I see, its not a complicated system at all |
| 05:43.46 | mheath[laptop] | And I'm under the impression that its a very exensive system (especially the support) |
| 05:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], theory is awesome. |
| 05:47.26 | mheath[laptop] | Still, I think I'm going to start playing with some ideas. |
| 05:50.21 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], theory *is* awesome ;) |
| 05:50.36 | levi_home | Mmm, theory |
| 05:50.48 | levi_home | Ahh, where did the day go? |
| 05:50.56 | mheath[laptop] | And your right, probably nothing will ever come of this |
| 05:50.58 | mheath[laptop] | But... |
| 05:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I know the feeling well. |
| 05:51.32 | levi_home | I have caught up on my blog/news reading, though. |
| 05:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | levi_home, that'd explain it. |
| 05:51.47 | levi_home | And went to a Desert Star show. |
| 05:51.54 | macnewbold | hehe, they rock |
| 05:52.13 | levi_home | Yeah, the current show is pretty good. :) |
| 05:52.14 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, this thing has a rediculously complicating testing / error handling framework for one, I know |
| 05:52.20 | levi_home | I've had season tickets for the last few years. |
| 05:52.33 | mheath[laptop] | Granted, 90% of the time in the event of an error, it just freezes and you never SEE or use the error handling framework |
| 05:52.59 | mheath[laptop] | But it has, for example, a huge set of system tests, advanced logging, etc. |
| 05:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 05:55.35 | mheath[laptop] | Like I said, though, I have no idea what this program handles as far as inventory, sales projections, etc. |
| 05:56.48 | mheath[laptop] | I only see the frontend, really, and I'm kind of under the impression this same program handles a lot of the paperwork in the back office |
| 05:56.53 | mheath[laptop] | But that might be a seperate program |
| 05:59.23 | mheath[laptop] | Actually, apparently it IS just POS software |
| 05:59.43 | mheath[laptop] | I've heard the managers use the term MenuLink before, and apparently MenuLink is a brand name that makes back office management stuff |
| 05:59.53 | mheath[laptop] | Manages inventory / ordering, financial management |
| 06:00.16 | mheath[laptop] | MenuLink imports data FROM the POS, but is entirely seperate from it. |
| 06:00.20 | Tene | So, at Thanksgiving Dinner, there were Stuffed Mushrooms. |
| 06:00.28 | Tene | And I usually like mushrooms, so i tried one. |
| 06:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ usually |
| 06:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Funny how one word says so many other |
| 06:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | s/other/others/ |
| 06:02.02 | Tene | The stuffing stuff was kind of gross, but kind of tolerable, so I decided to try the mmushroom itself. |
| 06:02.39 | Tene | After trying a small piece of the mushroom, I felt sick enough that i wasn't really able to eat much of anything else. |
| 06:04.04 | mheath[laptop] | Were you dining at some hippies house who may have decided it would be a good idea to take a nature walk and pick their own mushrooms? :P |
| 06:04.40 | nick125 | haha |
| 06:06.31 | mheath[laptop] | But, tell me this: Wouldn't the best person to design POS software be someone who uses POS software and is a programmer, rather than someone who is just a programmer and has never worked in a restraunt nor used the software in the real world? |
| 06:07.57 | nick125 | here's how I would develop software: look at it like the user, and, get opinions and suggestions from people who use the software day-to-day |
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| 06:11.54 | mheath[laptop] | Theh thing is just riddled with stuff that obviously sounded very good and logical to some engineer somewhere, but just doesn't make any sense in the real world. |
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| 06:11.55 | mheath[laptop] | For example: |
| 06:11.55 | mheath[laptop] | Every time you run a gift card with an insufficient balance to complete the order, it comes up with a big dialog box saying this |
| 06:11.56 | mheath[laptop] | then your booted back to your main screen |
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| 06:11.57 | mheath[laptop] | and have to go back into the table, then close check, to scan another card |
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| 06:12.03 | nick125 | but, you can't always think a system you've developed is simple, even if you are using the software as a person who would use it |
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| 06:12.07 | nick125 | since you would know the inside-out of the system |
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| 06:13.03 | nick125 | did a bunch of people just get D/Ced? |
| 06:13.04 | mheath[laptop] | nah, netsplit. |
| 06:13.04 | Supaplex | oops, my bad |
| 06:13.05 | nick125 | Supaplex: damnit you |
| 06:13.05 | nick125 | you tripped over the ethernet cable to the freenode server rack? |
| 06:13.05 | mheath[laptop] | the system gets confused too |
| 06:13.05 | mheath[laptop] | in obvious ways |
| 06:13.05 | mheath[laptop] | orders will get 'lost', for example |
| 06:13.05 | Supaplex | yea it runs into my home and back. |
| 06:13.06 | mheath[laptop] | IE, you enter them into the POS, but they never go back to the cooks |
| 06:13.06 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: that really sucks |
| 06:13.06 | mheath[laptop] | Or they'll show up on one cooks screen and not the other |
| 06:13.06 | Supaplex | but it's fiber. interconnect is dirty... |
| 06:13.06 | nick125 | you get alot of pissed off customers with that, don't you? |
| 06:13.06 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, yep. |
| 06:13.06 | mheath[laptop] | The Well Done steak that you don't realize hasn't been cooked until it should have been done already, for example. |
| 06:13.06 | nick125 | which results in lost revenue for the restraunt |
| 06:13.07 | mheath[laptop] | We've had a few nights with power flickers too |
| 06:13.07 | nick125 | because they lose customers, food, whatever |
| 06:13.07 | mheath[laptop] | doesn't bring down the computer, but screws with them |
| 06:13.07 | mheath[laptop] | the thing goes NUTS then |
| 06:13.07 | nick125 | what happens? |
| 06:13.07 | mheath[laptop] | tons of lost orders (usually its a random, very occasional thing) |
| 06:13.07 | nick125 | I'm slightly intrigued in this |
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| 06:15.34 | mheath[laptop] | I'm also intrigued by the idea of a seating control system, too |
| 06:15.46 | mheath[laptop] | I think that could save money by requiring less hosts on busy nights |
| 06:15.48 | nick125 | why don't these companies spend money making a system that works decently, smoothly, reliably, and is user-friendly (resulting in lower costs) |
| 06:15.59 | nick125 | good idea |
| 06:16.02 | mheath[laptop] | Thats exactly what I'm talking about doing |
| 06:16.29 | mheath[laptop] | IE: when a busser cleans a table, they inform the hosts who mark the table as ready on the computer |
| 06:16.45 | mheath[laptop] | The host also manages the wait on the computer (types names in, etc) |
| 06:16.50 | nick125 | I mean, get like 50 different people who work in the restraunt (from cooks to hosts to waiters to management) to talk and give feedback |
| 06:17.22 | mheath[laptop] | Then, the computer, using smart algorithms, can make intelligent choices about where to seat someone. |
| 06:17.41 | nick125 | use a combination of: |
| 06:17.50 | nick125 | 1) how many tables a waiter has |
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| 06:54.25 | nick125 | ibot_! |
| 06:54.51 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart ibot_ |
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| 06:58.13 | nick125 | so |
| 06:58.17 | nick125 | what's everyone up to? |
| 06:58.21 | nick125 | now that freenode is somewhat working |
| 06:58.51 | mheath[laptop] | Going to sleep now :) |
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| 07:00.26 | ibot | atoponce: ok |
| 07:01.20 | atoponce | herlo: wasn't a very good onjoin anyway, with the ctrl-H and everything... :) |
| 07:01.37 | mheath[laptop] | goodnight |
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| 18:23.24 | mheath[laptop] | How available is the Nintendo Wii right now/ |
| 18:23.25 | mheath[laptop] | ? |
| 18:26.00 | emcnabb | not very |
| 18:26.40 | emcnabb | a couple of coworkers have been trying to get them without luck |
| 18:27.03 | mheath[laptop] | I was considering getting one as a christmas present. They're only $250. |
| 18:27.11 | mheath[laptop] | But I'm not sure I'll be able to snag one before christmas. |
| 18:29.05 | goozbach | i saw a couple yesterday |
| 18:31.35 | mheath[laptop] | goozbach, just on the shelf at a store? |
| 18:32.30 | mrpull- | mheath[laptop]: who are you going to buy one for? |
| 18:32.45 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull-, A combined present for my brotherr, niece, and nephew. |
| 18:33.26 | mrpull- | that's pretty cool. it looks like a fun toy. |
| 18:34.01 | mheath[laptop] | Yeah. Thats what I love...its a great console, plus its great for the young kids. :) |
| 18:34.41 | mheath[laptop] | Be back in a bit. I'm headed to Walmart. |
| 18:34.48 | mheath[laptop] | Going to brave the crowds.. |
| 18:37.40 | goozbach | mheath[laptop]: buestbuy in st george |
| 18:38.05 | goozbach | sitting behind the glass in the display |
| 18:47.50 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 18:47.57 | Supaplex | not for long! *smash* |
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| 19:35.26 | herlo | goozbach: you there? |
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| 19:46.50 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, long time no see. |
| 19:47.08 | dataw0lf | hiya. |
| 19:52.02 | mheath[laptop] | How have you been? |
| 19:52.42 | dataw0lf | Pretty good, moved to Reno, waiting for my cable internet to get fixed, staying out of trouble. |
| 19:53.16 | Sargun | dataw0lf, You in San Jose? |
| 19:53.23 | Sargun | or is that crappy dial up? |
| 19:54.32 | dataw0lf | dial up. |
| 19:54.36 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 19:54.42 | Sargun | You got in trouble? |
| 19:54.55 | dataw0lf | no. I'm staying out of. |
| 19:55.01 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 19:55.05 | Sargun | Good |
| 19:55.16 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, I'm trying to think of when we last saw you on here. |
| 19:55.34 | dataw0lf | 6 months ago maybe. |
| 19:55.46 | Sargun | long time ago. |
| 19:56.13 | dataw0lf | moved to Cali for a couple months to surf, then landed a job at a satellite office of a Silicon Valley company in Reno |
| 19:56.22 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, yeah, long time ago. Hah, I've graduated from highschool, been in the Marine Corps, and been kicked OUT of the Marine Corps, all in that amount of time. |
| 19:56.43 | dataw0lf | medical discharge? |
| 19:57.03 | mheath[laptop] | Yeah. Well, Entry Level Seperation (because I was still in basic training), but it was for medical reasons. |
| 19:57.15 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 19:57.19 | dataw0lf | sorry. |
| 19:57.31 | dataw0lf | didn't I predict that? |
| 19:57.46 | dataw0lf | what was it, your knees? |
| 19:57.54 | mheath[laptop] | I don't remember you predicting that I'd jack up my knee and get diagnosed with a life threatening genetic disease, no :P |
| 19:58.15 | mheath[laptop] | erm, have a doctor think that I have a life threatening genetic disease* |
| 19:58.19 | mheath[laptop] | Turns out I don't |
| 19:58.26 | mheath[laptop] | and I'm actually in the process of going back in now. |
| 19:58.36 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:58.42 | dataw0lf | good luck. |
| 19:58.52 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, thanks. |
| 19:58.56 | dataw0lf | np |
| 19:59.16 | Sargun | mheath, Didn't you quit the marine corps? |
| 19:59.56 | dataw0lf | so what do I call you now mheath. Ja ? |
| 20:00.13 | mheath[laptop] | BAH! This sucks |
| 20:00.13 | Sargun | Mr. Heath |
| 20:00.16 | Sargun | ? |
| 20:00.26 | mheath[laptop] | I bought a third party brand of print-on labels |
| 20:00.31 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:00.37 | mheath[laptop] | And it says "compatible with Avery #________" |
| 20:00.54 | mheath[laptop] | So I fire up Open Office, plug in that avery number, and print off my labels |
| 20:01.05 | mheath[laptop] | Only, it turns out that this thing is a fraction of an inch off on every label |
| 20:01.27 | dataw0lf | aren't there adjustments you can make? |
| 20:01.32 | mheath[laptop] | So the first 14 rows or so are OK, but the rest are ruined. |
| 20:01.35 | dataw0lf | perhaps it isn't calibrated. |
| 20:01.46 | mheath[laptop] | Yeah. It just pisses me off that it says it's compatible when it apparently isn't. |
| 20:02.06 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, nah, I looked at the measurements. The numbers for the Avery model don't make sense for these ones. |
| 20:02.25 | mheath[laptop] | Its simply not compatible. Not a calibration issue. |
| 20:03.10 | mheath[laptop] | not sure why I bought these though, anyway. |
| 20:03.16 | mheath[laptop] | I can just print on the envelope for most things\ |
| 20:03.39 | dataw0lf | I sure wish it'd snow up here, I'm waiting for Mt Rose to open like the snowboarding equivalent of a crackhead. |
| 20:03.47 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, ping. |
| 20:04.07 | mheath[laptop] | ugh, I hate snowboarding. Now, skiing, on the other hand.... |
| 20:04.08 | mheath[laptop] | :) |
| 20:04.29 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, my dads being a pain though and won't sign the parent release (I'm still 17) for me to go back into the Marine Corps |
| 20:04.37 | mheath[laptop] | methinks I told him too many bootcamp horror stories :P |
| 20:04.55 | mheath[laptop] | I'm giving Navy a try |
| 20:04.57 | dataw0lf | I've gone snowboarding once. But there are no good indoor rock climbing walls here, and I need the exercise. |
| 20:05.08 | mheath[laptop] | If NavBuMed says no on the waver I need, then I might talk to an Army recruiter. |
| 20:05.11 | dataw0lf | mheath[laptop]: good luck with that. |
| 20:05.19 | dataw0lf | What's wrong with the AF? |
| 20:05.33 | mheath[laptop] | Nothing. AF is the best civilian job in the military. ;-) |
| 20:05.40 | mheath[laptop] | I just don't want to do Airforce. |
| 20:05.48 | dataw0lf | okie dokie... |
| 20:06.07 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't go Army. You'll be in Iraq guarding convoys before you're finished at MEPS. |
| 20:06.22 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: pong |
| 20:07.22 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], Why are you pinging nick125? |
| 20:07.27 | mheath[laptop] | nick125, PM. |
| 20:07.38 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, why does it concern you? |
| 20:07.47 | dataw0lf | so what's everyone been up to besides mheath? |
| 20:07.57 | Sargun | Just wondering if I can help you. |
| 20:08.05 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, I wouldn't mind that to much. I _was_ going to be Infantry in the Marine Corps. |
| 20:08.15 | dataw0lf | heh. okie dokie. |
| 20:08.23 | mheath[laptop] | Except |
| 20:08.42 | mheath[laptop] | "The Few, The Prod" vs. "We're soooo desperate for you. PLEASE join us! We'll pay you $40,000! PLEASE!" |
| 20:09.01 | mheath[laptop] | Except I'm technically prior service now. I don't think I'm elligible for the enlistment bonuses anymore. |
| 20:09.41 | dataw0lf | Sorry, I'm just not into talking about the military right now. Lost two more friends in October. |
| 20:09.47 | dataw0lf | but good luck. |
| 20:10.17 | mheath[laptop] | dataw0lf, yeah, I know how you feel. Sorry for pressing the topic |
| 20:11.01 | dataw0lf | it's cool. I remember how excited I was. No worries. |
| 20:11.37 | mheath[laptop] | Heh. The excitement has worn off a lot for me. |
| 20:11.55 | mheath[laptop] | Reality kind of sets in when a drill instructor is two inches from your face yelling at you |
| 20:12.08 | mheath[laptop] | I just can't think of anything else that really 'fits' with my life right now, though |
| 20:12.43 | dataw0lf | do Peace Corps or something. |
| 20:12.54 | mheath[laptop] | haha. |
| 20:12.55 | dataw0lf | you'll learn more and be safer. |
| 20:13.05 | mheath[laptop] | No, thank you. |
| 20:14.30 | dataw0lf | just a suggestion. |
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| 23:55.41 | Sargun | Anyone played with the Motorola Q? |