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| 00:14.09 | Lone_Wanderer | is there any way to make files created within a directory automatically be owned by a certain user, and in that user's group? |
| 00:14.13 | Lone_Wanderer | so that any file created in the htdocs directory will be set to apache:apache |
| 00:15.20 | elg | you can have new files belong to a certain group with g+s on the directory |
| 00:15.26 | elg | assuming the user creating the file is in that group |
| 00:15.35 | elg | (I think) |
| 00:15.40 | Lone_Wanderer | that's the plan yeah |
| 00:15.51 | Lone_Wanderer | so I do... what... chattr the directory g+s? |
| 00:15.58 | emcnabb | chmod |
| 00:16.04 | emcnabb | but I think that only does the group |
| 00:16.08 | Lone_Wanderer | that's fine |
| 00:16.15 | findlay | ~chmod emcnabb |
| 00:16.16 | ibot | ACTION changes emcnabb's permissions to 0777 and tells the world. |
| 00:16.50 | Lone_Wanderer | yay, it worked. what's the s flag do? |
| 00:17.09 | Lone_Wanderer | (it's not in the man page) |
| 00:18.41 | findlay | http://www.zzee.com/solutions/unix-permissions.shtml |
| 00:18.58 | Lone_Wanderer | danke |
| 00:19.34 | findlay | that's the best page I've found on unix-style oerms |
| 00:19.43 | findlay | s/o/p/g |
| 00:20.08 | Lone_Wanderer | that's the best page I've foudn on unix-style oerms |
| 00:20.13 | Lone_Wanderer | s/oerms/perms/g |
| 00:20.25 | findlay | s/*//g |
| 00:20.36 | findlay | s/.*//g |
| 00:20.37 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, that didn't work either |
| 00:20.43 | findlay | heh |
| 00:20.46 | Lone_Wanderer | s/*//g |
| 00:20.55 | Lone_Wanderer | hi this is a test |
| 00:21.00 | Lone_Wanderer | s/.*// |
| 00:21.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Doesn't like wildcards I guess |
| 00:48.03 | findlay | ok, what genius decided to embed the firefox search icon into some retarded xml file? |
| 00:55.21 | findlay | ~lart firefox |
| 00:55.29 | findlay | stupid search box |
| 00:55.40 | findlay | ~lart firefox 2 |
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| 03:11.30 | levi_home | Woo, my first-order logic theorem prover is officially done. |
| 03:12.14 | levi_home | I'd kind of like to expand on it a bit sometime, to allow it to take input in the full version of FOL instead of CNF. |
| 03:14.26 | mheath | That was a really stupid process. |
| 03:14.33 | mheath | Reinstalled WIndows on my Laptop |
| 03:14.39 | mheath | but I've switched between windows and linux a few times |
| 03:15.24 | mheath | and it complained that I've tried to activate windows too many times |
| 03:15.24 | mheath | so I had to call Microsoft |
| 03:15.24 | mheath | "How many computers is this product installed on?" |
| 03:15.24 | mheath | "One" |
| 03:15.25 | mheath | "One other than the one you are activating the product on?" |
| 03:15.44 | mheath | "No. I'm just trying to install the copy that came with my laptop onto my laptop. It is not installed on any other computers." |
| 03:15.56 | mheath | "And why are you having to reinstall it?" |
| 03:15.58 | mheath | .....] |
| 03:47.08 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:00.56 | findlay | hello |
| 04:01.08 | elg | well I have qtruby, but not rbuic |
| 04:01.32 | elg | that's ok for now since my .ui files need to be converted to qt4 anyway |
| 04:01.37 | findlay | so, ruby has been ported to Buic |
| 04:01.47 | elg | -ignore findlay |
| 04:04.37 | levi_home | I think I'm going to write my genetic algorithm program in Scala. |
| 04:04.39 | findlay | s/g/f/g |
| 04:05.02 | levi_home | And if that's successful, perhaps I'll do my neural network program with it, too. |
| 04:05.41 | levi_home | My reason for choosing it is primarily the fact that it runs on the JVM and it looks like an interesting language. |
| 04:06.06 | levi_home | So I won't have to do any development on my Windows machine. |
| 04:06.18 | levi_home | Yet, I will be able to deliver it on a Windows machine. |
| 04:13.20 | levi_home | elg: What's rbuic? |
| 04:13.32 | elg | the ruby version of uic |
| 04:13.37 | elg | which is UI compiler |
| 04:13.51 | elg | takes qt designer .ui files and generates the ruby code |
| 04:13.55 | elg | (uic generates C++) |
| 04:21.56 | levi_home | Ahh, that makes sense. |
| 04:22.45 | levi_home | I think that Scala might be somewhat like what a statically-typed Ruby might feel like. |
| 04:23.06 | levi_home | (this is only a guess based on underlying paradigms, since I have not yet really programmed in either) |
| 04:28.02 | levi_home | Although I dislike the C++/Java style of static typing, I've found ML-style typing to actually be pretty pleasant to work with after the initial adjustment. |
| 04:29.47 | levi_home | A few times, I wished I'd done my theorem prover in a ML, since I kept forgetting exactly what types my functions were supposed to be taking, e.g. a list of logic literals rather than a single literal. |
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| 04:49.13 | findlay | this dude's 'music' is so loud I can hear it 2 rooms away |
| 04:55.39 | Sargun | I need a driver. |
| 04:55.51 | findlay | ~drive Sargun |
| 04:55.53 | ibot | ACTION jumps behind the wheel of a specially designed limo & chauffeurs Sargun anywhere he/she needs to go, while Sargun sits in the back playing bzflag |
| 04:55.53 | Sargun | findlay, You'd make a suitable driver. |
| 04:55.53 | findlay | ? |
| 04:56.05 | findlay | ibot: drive me |
| 04:56.06 | ibot | ACTION jumps behind the wheel of a specially designed limo & chauffeurs findlay anywhere he/she needs to go, while findlay sits in the back playing bzflag |
| 04:56.12 | findlay | yeah |
| 04:56.15 | Sargun | Why doesn't my school district offer middle college? |
| 04:56.42 | rsimpkins | Hi all - added a link to redbeards review on http://www.plug.org |
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| 05:04.14 | Sargun | Do you guys get a prompt of SSL hate: https://atarack.com/signup |
| 05:05.20 | findlay | yes |
| 05:05.25 | findlay | who does your cert? |
| 05:05.39 | findlay | ~lart verisign just because |
| 05:06.23 | Sargun | Who should I get my cert from? |
| 05:06.35 | Sargun | If anyone here issues SSL certs speak, or forever hold your peace. |
| 05:06.58 | Sargun | unless you charge $60+ |
| 05:07.02 | Sargun | for a year. |
| 05:07.09 | Sargun | unless you throw in a free driver |
| 05:07.12 | Sargun | for a few months |
| 05:07.36 | Sargun | Or remind me how to drive a bike. :-P |
| 05:10.58 | findlay | ~whalenuke verisign |
| 05:11.00 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around verisign with his mind powers |
| 05:13.39 | Sargun | findlay, Whats your recommendation for SSL providers? |
| 05:14.16 | findlay | don't have any, sorry |
| 05:14.25 | findlay | I'd say xmission if they did it |
| 05:15.52 | Sargun | Should I go with the daddy? |
| 05:16.46 | Sargun | I'm not going with the sign of veri. |
| 05:16.57 | findlay | if you want. Just assume that all cert providers are basically evil (may not be true -- I'd be happily wrong) and go with the best price/service differential |
| 05:18.15 | Sargun | CA-CERT is a bi*** |
| 05:18.15 | Sargun | to get. |
| 05:20.03 | findlay | man, strftime doesn't provide sub-second precision |
| 05:20.12 | Sargun | So? |
| 05:20.19 | findlay | well, I want it |
| 05:20.32 | findlay | how else am I to know what time it is? |
| 05:21.11 | Sargun | Go to oregon |
| 05:21.18 | Sargun | I hear they have some atomic clocks there. |
| 05:21.26 | Sargun | Its sort of accurate |
| 05:21.30 | findlay | there are atomic clocks all over the place |
| 05:21.43 | findlay | the national clock is in DC, even |
| 05:21.55 | findlay | or at BNL or something |
| 05:22.09 | Sargun | Aren't the ones that do the broadcasting to all of the USA based in Oregon? |
| 05:22.21 | findlay | I don't know |
| 05:24.01 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Boulder Colorado is where they usually broadcast the shortwave version from - I believe. |
| 05:24.24 | Sargun | What about that company |
| 05:24.25 | rsimpkins | Sargun: however, it is actually several clocks in several geographical regions that determine UTC. |
| 05:24.26 | rsimpkins | It isn't a company. |
| 05:24.30 | Sargun | Oregon scientific? |
| 05:24.32 | rsimpkins | It is a govt. organization. |
| 05:24.35 | rsimpkins | NIST. |
| 05:24.52 | rsimpkins | http://www.nist.gov/ |
| 05:25.02 | Sargun | Oregon scientific makes all the atomic clocks for Costco IIRC |
| 05:25.18 | rsimpkins | Time, as it turns out, is *very* important to a complex national infrustructure. |
| 05:25.32 | rsimpkins | And it so happens that having a 'reliable' source for that time is equally important. |
| 05:26.27 | rsimpkins | Some people pay thousands of dollars to be able to get super-accurate time from NIST. |
| 05:26.43 | Sargun | Optical fiber? |
| 05:26.46 | rsimpkins | A good example of where time to that accuracy is needed is with the GPS satalite system. |
| 05:27.01 | rsimpkins | GPS relies on super accurate time. |
| 05:27.13 | Sargun | Yeah, I know about GPS |
| 05:27.37 | Sargun | It works on LAG from satellites, or something along those lines to triangulate you. |
| 05:27.52 | Sargun | Great concept that my science teacher destroyed. |
| 05:28.14 | rsimpkins | http://tf.nist.gov/general/about.html |
| 05:29.07 | findlay | in fact, IIRC you need relativistic accuracy to calculate time differences for GPS accuracy |
| 05:29.25 | findlay | time.gov |
| 05:29.32 | findlay | that's one of my favorite sites (: |
| 05:29.37 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 05:30.05 | rsimpkins | This is a really good page about some more advanced uses of GPS time: http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/service/fms.htm |
| 05:30.52 | mheath | http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/20/selective.service/index.html?eref=rss_topstories |
| 05:30.58 | rsimpkins | There are a dozen or two GPS time recievers with shortwave backups, blah blah. |
| 05:31.01 | mheath | 3rd times the charm there, eh, Rangel? |
| 05:31.16 | mheath | This is going to be the 3rd time Rangel will propse a measure to reinstate the draft. |
| 05:31.44 | findlay | sure sounds like a good idea |
| 05:31.59 | mheath | Actually, I'm in favor of it. |
| 05:32.05 | findlay | whatever |
| 05:32.08 | mheath | But that doesn't mean it's going to pass |
| 05:32.20 | mheath | And its stupid and wasting both Rangels time and Congresses time trying to pass it |
| 05:32.21 | findlay | that's the stupidest idea I've heard all month |
| 05:32.34 | findlay | the last thing this country needs is a draft |
| 05:32.54 | mheath | findlay, yes, but this country needs to get OUT of IRAQ. |
| 05:33.03 | findlay | so, then get out |
| 05:33.29 | mheath | findlay, We can't just leave. We can't move all our troops out tomorrow and call it good. Doesn't work that way. |
| 05:33.34 | findlay | don't rip young men out of school, out of brand new families to be slaughtered by merciless, crazed, guerillas |
| 05:33.41 | mheath | ...... |
| 05:33.52 | mheath | findlay, are you aware of how the selective service act works? |
| 05:33.52 | findlay | ............... |
| 05:34.14 | mheath | You don't get drafted if your in school. Or if you just started a new family with kids. |
| 05:34.15 | findlay | you select a random cross section |
| 05:34.38 | findlay | mheath: sure, that's what Rangel told you (: |
| 05:34.49 | mheath | findlay, no, thats what the text of the Selective Service Act says. |
| 05:35.01 | rsimpkins | findlay: If you get randomly selected I think there is a process to go through to say "hey - not me. I got a family." |
| 05:35.10 | Sargun | I am so happy that Atarack is going to be 100% automated :-) |
| 05:35.33 | mheath | findlay, you're registered for the draft, and you've never read the text of the Selective Service act? |
| 05:35.58 | findlay | mheath: you're Christian and you've never read the bible? |
| 05:36.14 | mheath | But, the point is: All of the studies, simulations, suggestions, wargames, etc. all say that, to really suceed in the long run in Iraq, we NEED MORE TROOPS OVER THERE |
| 05:36.28 | mheath | And the only way we can get more troops over there and sustain that amount for a long time is via a draft. |
| 05:36.43 | mheath | findlay, I have spent hours reading the bible. |
| 05:36.50 | mheath | And I'm not christian. |
| 05:37.02 | mheath | Days, even. Reading it. |
| 05:37.39 | mheath | (Try sitting in the Recruit Seperations Platoon at MCRD San Diego, sitting on the ground for 10 hours a day with nothing to do for two weeks, with the bible the only approved reading material.) |
| 05:40.11 | mheath | I made it through that thing 3 times :P |
| 05:40.19 | rsimpkins | I think that his goal with the draft is not only to help the situation in Iraq, but to boost the number of people in public service. |
| 05:40.31 | rsimpkins | So that he can have a reason to get rid of tax cuts to pay them all. ;_ |
| 05:40.50 | mheath | Heh. |
| 05:41.00 | mheath | My biggest concern is that this changes the format of the military considerably. |
| 05:41.04 | rsimpkins | A certain percentage of draftees will stay in service. |
| 05:41.21 | rsimpkins | People who wouldn't normally have enlisted, but got in and liked it. |
| 05:41.46 | Sargun | how do you come up with the YY in AA.BB.CC.DD/YY in CIDR notation? |
| 05:42.19 | rsimpkins | However, I think the right thing to do is to slowly reduce troop levels in Iraq, and I do agree with a timeline. The Iraqi people don't want to send their kids to die while our kids are there dying for them. |
| 05:42.21 | mheath | What people fail to recognize is that the military is a different lifestyle, a different world, a different civilization to a lot of people (except for the Air Force, which is the best civlian job in the military). |
| 05:42.32 | mheath | Vietnam significantly changes the nature of the military, and this would too. |
| 05:42.49 | rsimpkins | mheath: I think it would soften things up a bit. |
| 05:43.20 | mheath | (I'm not trying to say that I spent a long enough time in the military to say these things from my perspective; I'm basing this mainly on a lot of books I've read discussing the culture of the military) |
| 05:43.32 | mheath | Sargun, by the way...theres no such thing as completely automated :) |
| 05:43.43 | Sargun | mheath, Well most of the thing. |
| 05:44.00 | findlay | ~automate Sargun |
| 05:44.09 | Sargun | like sign ups. |
| 05:44.10 | Sargun | etc.. |
| 05:44.26 | mheath | It can be automated so Sargun can get drafted in a few years |
| 05:44.33 | mheath | ~enlist Sargun |
| 05:44.45 | Sargun | I'd die if I joined the military/army. |
| 05:45.00 | Sargun | or get shot for blogging about my squadron's location on the internet :-P |
| 05:45.54 | rsimpkins | I think Americans are too apathetic for a draft to work. Too many would rather sit in jail for a few years and know they'd get out of it alive than go to a place where they might get killed in a conflict they may not agree with. |
| 05:46.39 | rsimpkins | I believe that by many accounts the prison system in this country is overflowing already due to drug offenders. |
| 05:46.53 | mheath | You'd go to a federal prison |
| 05:47.00 | mheath | And federal prison's aren't overflowing |
| 05:47.15 | mheath | Or, they'd just forcably ship you off to basic training |
| 05:47.29 | mheath | And YOU try to say "No" to a Drill Instructor :P |
| 05:48.48 | rsimpkins | mheath: I'd bet it is a lot easier to say no these days than say 30 years ago. |
| 05:49.49 | scott_ | Politicians need to stop trying to solve everyone's problems. |
| 05:50.04 | rsimpkins | scott_: That is the best quote I've heard all day. :) |
| 05:50.05 | scott_ | and people need to stop asking them how they'll solve our problems |
| 05:52.26 | mheath | "Ask not what your country can do for you........" |
| 05:54.17 | Sargun | Why don't pop singers dress themselves. |
| 05:54.31 | Sargun | Its disgusting. |
| 05:54.44 | Sargun | Put some freaking clothes on for god sakes. |
| 05:54.49 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Have you ever been a pop singer? |
| 05:54.57 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Not recently. |
| 05:55.10 | Sargun | :-P |
| 05:55.33 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I'm going to guess they have professionals assisting them on how to get as many pictures of them as possible in the tabloids, etc. |
| 05:55.58 | scott_ | Sargun: I thought your comment was "dress themselves" as in the opposite of having their mothers dress them |
| 05:57.25 | mheath | I doubt Sargun dresses in an appropriate manner by my standards, though, too. |
| 05:57.57 | findlay | why do they even bother with clothes anymore anyway? |
| 05:58.03 | Sargun | Cargo pants, boxers, t-shirt, and if it is cold, then sweater. |
| 05:58.04 | mheath | This is kind of nice. I bought a USB drive that has software built on it to download from a huge repository of software thats custom modified to reside only on the USB disk and make no changes to the host computer. |
| 05:58.14 | Sargun | mheath, cool. |
| 05:58.31 | Sargun | Heroes was great today. |
| 05:58.32 | rsimpkins | mheath: Also, I believe here is proof the federal prison system is over crowded: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/pjim05.txt |
| 05:58.33 | scott_ | mheath, h3 or something? |
| 05:58.42 | rsimpkins | mheath: "the Federal prison system |
| 05:58.42 | scott_ | portableapps.com is cool also |
| 05:58.44 | rsimpkins | was operating at 40% above rated capacity" |
| 05:59.02 | rsimpkins | that is for midyear 2005 - with all trends pointing up. |
| 05:59.03 | mheath | scott_, U3. And most of the apps from this come directly from portableapps.com, or are modified slightly from it. |
| 05:59.20 | mheath | I hate shows like Prison Break |
| 05:59.29 | mheath | I don't watch much TV |
| 05:59.32 | levi_home | Yay, I have written a program in Scala! |
| 05:59.37 | mheath | so I hate shows where you have to watch the entire series for it to make sense |
| 05:59.47 | scott_ | mheath: appararently u3 doesn't have a very secure encryption thingy. There's one that's really quite cool out there that escapes me right now |
| 05:59.47 | levi_home | Just Hello World, but there it is. |
| 06:00.00 | levi_home | mheath: I like those shows, especially when you can get them later on DVD. |
| 06:00.20 | scott_ | mheath: it's funny how guys hate soap operas but 24/prison break/lost are just that. |
| 06:00.44 | levi_home | There's a difference between soap opera and serial drama in general. |
| 06:00.58 | mheath | scott_, limited encryption is OK with me |
| 06:01.22 | mheath | I'm looking for stuff to stop stupid/prying people from messing with my stuff, not something to stop FBI investigators from finding evidence :P |
| 06:01.24 | levi_home | genre and production values, to name a couple! |
| 06:01.34 | rsimpkins | "At midyear 2005, 1 in every 136 U.S. residents were in prison or jail." |
| 06:01.57 | rsimpkins | With that level of incarceration, no wonder whos like Prison Break are popular. ;) |
| 06:01.57 | scott_ | mheath: truecrypt, it's cool |
| 06:02.09 | rsimpkins | s/whos/shows/ |
| 06:04.56 | scott_ | so there's this online wiki came out that doesn't even try to hide the contents of the wikis on other accounts. I'm searching them hoping like a kid on christmas eve to find some insider info that could help me in the stock market tomorrow :) |
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| 06:07.35 | findlay | ~opera levi_home |
| 06:07.37 | ibot | ACTION fires up Der Ring des Nibelungen into levi_home 's ear |
| 06:11.13 | Sargun | Should I have a separate column for SQL? |
| 06:12.18 | findlay | Sargun: you should have only one cup of SQL, especially on Monday's |
| 06:12.31 | Sargun | hahaa |
| 06:12.35 | Sargun | Wow, that made no sense. |
| 06:12.40 | findlay | indeed |
| 06:12.40 | mheath | scott_, I'd die taking that perspective on the stock market. |
| 06:12.41 | Sargun | (mine) |
| 06:12.44 | Sargun | I'm losing my mind |
| 06:13.00 | mheath | the "how can I make a bit more money quickly tomorrow with a bunch of last-minute-decision trades" perspective |
| 06:13.07 | Sargun | that happens with 4 hours of sleep, and caffeine + sargun + sugar |
| 06:13.19 | mheath | My portfolio is all in long term, reliable mutual funds. |
| 06:13.26 | mheath | Good returns, and safe in the long term. |
| 06:14.05 | scott_ | mheath: I agree, I'm all index funds, but if I were to find insider info or something really good I'd definitely do some short-term trading |
| 06:14.40 | rsimpkins | scott_: Insider info is still insider info. Sounds like a good way to land in jail? |
| 06:14.41 | scott_ | I should say I'm all about index funds |
| 06:14.56 | mheath | I am considering putting a bit of money into a fund that USAA has...a "First Start" fund, they call it. Invested in newer, unreliable but promising startups. Tech companies. |
| 06:16.18 | Sargun | I am writing a method to distribute images over our network. What method do you guys recommend? SSH has too much overhead. FTP seems ugly. |
| 06:16.56 | findlay | I'd put a million on RedHat |
| 06:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, oops... linking that image on my blog was a small mistake |
| 06:17.23 | Sargun | findlay, I'd make sure I have at least 100 million in my bank account. |
| 06:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 20MB of traffic so far today, 99% of that being image/jpeg ;P |
| 06:17.42 | Sargun | findlay, I don't think that RH is going well. |
| 06:17.52 | findlay | Sargun: you just wait |
| 06:18.07 | findlay | emcnabb will tell you like it is (-: |
| 06:18.43 | findlay | actually, I think I'd invest a million in Gentoo |
| 06:19.14 | Sargun | Someone should start a corporation behind Gentoo. |
| 06:20.00 | mheath | Nah. That first start fund is a bit scary, but its had a great return lately. They've made a lot of good choices |
| 06:20.22 | mheath | They have a lot of google stock (it's their highest percentage), and have had it since before the big boom |
| 06:22.04 | findlay | ~whalenuke brentwood |
| 06:22.05 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around brentwood with his mind powers |
| 06:22.15 | findlay | oh, wait, I live at brentwood |
| 06:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:29.14 | scott_ | Well, nothing even interesting. the only remotely coherent postings are http://groupswiki.com/w/110/page/shopping_list and http://groupswiki.com/w/134/page/utes and they're not much to look at |
| 06:29.31 | scott_ | these web 2.0 apps are so useless. |
| 06:29.44 | scott_ | some of them that is. dabbledb.com rocks |
| 06:47.02 | Sargun | What would be the easiest way to split up the clouds into O2 and H2 in a second or so? |
| 06:47.05 | Sargun | well |
| 06:47.18 | Sargun | A few hundred cubic feet of clouds |
| 06:47.23 | Sargun | cloud/clouds |
| 06:50.07 | Sargun | Dynamic HTML-code generation of tables in Python is not fun. |
| 07:15.03 | Sargun | Everyone is dead |
| 07:58.55 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 07:59.05 | ibot | pong |
| 07:59.05 | Sargun | fug. |
| 07:59.13 | Sargun | yay! |
| 13:07.44 | emcnabb | morning all |
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| 14:16.02 | graphyx | anyone want to save 723,427$? |
| 14:16.03 | graphyx | http://www.amazon.com/Maxell-723440-MAXELL-AA-Battery/dp/B00006JPRJ/ |
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| 14:16.38 | ^Migs^ | wow, what a great deal |
| 14:16.51 | ^Migs^ | save 100% |
| 14:24.34 | emcnabb | graphyx: that's awesome |
| 14:26.07 | graphyx | I have to honest guys, I have never saved that much on batteries.. |
| 14:26.33 | graphyx | Heck, I've never saved that much on anything. |
| 14:26.37 | graphyx | Except perhaps a house. |
| 14:26.43 | graphyx | which I saved by not purchasing it. |
| 14:26.49 | graphyx | (They wouldn't have let me if I tried....) |
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| 14:29.57 | emcnabb | man, I could buy four of my houses for that set of batteries |
| 14:34.02 | ^Migs^ | how could you buy four of your houses? There's only one of your house, unless you own a complex. |
| 14:34.46 | jsmith | Or a compound |
| 14:34.54 | jsmith | Don't forget the compounds |
| 14:36.18 | ^Migs^ | or a trailer park |
| 14:38.49 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Are you sure that emcnabb doesn't own a subdivision? |
| 14:40.09 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: you know what I mean :-) |
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| 14:42.43 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 14:43.15 | graphyx | peer got you. |
| 14:43.19 | graphyx | He's a jerk. |
| 14:45.49 | emcnabb | ^Migs^ is just a quitter |
| 14:46.28 | emcnabb | and he can't read either! (he got a read error) |
| 14:53.40 | ^Migs^ | man I suck |
| 14:53.49 | ^Migs^ | all that college for nothing |
| 14:57.00 | ^Migs^ | I hate it when people say "OMG Why r u wearing a t-shirt in the middle of winter!??!?!! LOOL" Because I work indoors in a heated building all day, idiot. |
| 14:58.13 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: so tell me, why in the heck are you wearing a t-shirt today? |
| 14:58.59 | Tene | ^Migs^: Eh? You're wearing a t-shirt? It's the middle of winter! |
| 14:59.40 | nick125 | ^Migs^: OMGWTFBBQ! WHY THE HECK ARE YOU WEARING A T-SHIRT?!?!? ITS LIKE THE MIDDLE OF WINTER!!!!!!! |
| 14:59.46 | graphyx | weating a t-shirt how obsurd. I just need shorts and sunglasses. |
| 14:59.52 | graphyx | BBQ? |
| 15:00.07 | ^Migs^ | I'm wearing a t-shirt because I Don't think people would like to see my manboobs flopping around |
| 15:00.21 | graphyx | oh maybe they do. |
| 15:00.24 | nick125 | it either means be back quick, or barbeque |
| 15:00.25 | graphyx | which is all the more reason to cover up. |
| 15:00.30 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 15:00.32 | nick125 | hah |
| 15:00.34 | nick125 | haha |
| 15:00.45 | emcnabb | I'm glad I only know ^Migs^ via IRC |
| 15:00.54 | graphyx | nick125: What is this iloveponies site that sargun was talking about? |
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| 15:01.03 | ^Migs^ | I make a point not to get to know IRC people IRL |
| 15:01.12 | ^Migs^ | you're probably all weirdos |
| 15:01.15 | nick125 | graphyx: *shrug* |
| 15:01.20 | nick125 | ^Migs^: hahah |
| 15:01.52 | graphyx | ^Migs^: And your not weird because... ? |
| 15:02.08 | ^Migs^ | of course I'm not weird. I'm perfectly normal. |
| 15:02.12 | ^Migs^ | you're all the crazy ones. |
| 15:02.28 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: is a normal freak |
| 15:02.36 | emcnabb | not an odd one |
| 15:05.08 | graphyx | who is late? |
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| 15:09.37 | graphyx | ~whailslap herlo |
| 15:09.39 | ibot | ACTION beets herlo upside and oven the head with a freakishly huge and slightly mispelled kiler whail maned Hue. |
| 15:11.21 | emcnabb | ~chuckle herlo |
| 15:12.19 | Tene | ibot: migs $target is <action> asks $target annoying questions about their clothes. |
| 15:12.21 | ibot | ACTION forces $target is <action> asks $target annoying questions about their clothes. to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 15:12.26 | Tene | ibot: migs emcnabb |
| 15:12.28 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 15:12.34 | Tene | m'eh |
| 15:13.43 | emcnabb | jsmith: I can get to the RHEL5 beta now at ftp.redhat.com |
| 15:15.01 | jsmith | Ah, cool. |
| 15:15.18 | jsmith | I'll check it out when I get a second. |
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| 15:24.38 | mheath | I have to go do some shopping today, for thanksgiving food. Yah :) |
| 15:24.41 | mheath | I love thanksgiving |
| 15:25.43 | mheath | I wonder where I can get an instant read thermometer. Hmm. |
| 15:25.46 | ^Migs^ | yeah I love stuffing myself with food |
| 15:27.00 | mheath | Those popup thingys burn your turkey. |
| 15:28.29 | ^Migs^ | I've never cooked a turkey. I let my mother do that. |
| 15:28.36 | ^Migs^ | OMG, I want some turkey NOW |
| 15:28.45 | mheath | Most people don't know how to cook them properly |
| 15:29.20 | mheath | I very rarely see a turkey thats desirably moist, because most people don't know how to make it moist and tasty. |
| 15:29.20 | ^Migs^ | how do you? |
| 15:30.25 | mheath | ^Migs^, soak the turkey for about a day in a saltwater brine (with other seasonings). The turkey absorbs a ton of moisture and flavorings. |
| 15:30.36 | mheath | well, not a saltwater brine |
| 15:30.51 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that sounds gross |
| 15:30.58 | mheath | we usually use vegetable broth, salt, brown sugar, a can of beer, and some other misc seasonings |
| 15:31.04 | ^Migs^ | there you go |
| 15:31.07 | ^Migs^ | I'd probably omit the beer |
| 15:31.10 | ^Migs^ | :) |
| 15:31.27 | ^Migs^ | maybe just some general seasoning salt |
| 15:31.40 | mheath | ^Migs^, No, it needs to be plain kosher salt. |
| 15:31.44 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 15:31.57 | mheath | The _salt_ is not there to flavor the turkey |
| 15:32.07 | ^Migs^ | right, the SEASONING in the seasoning salt is there to flavor the turkey |
| 15:32.15 | mheath | The salt is there to promote osmosis, and make sure everything else flavors the turkey. |
| 15:32.25 | mheath | Seasoning salt would not have the same effect. |
| 15:32.31 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 15:32.51 | ^Migs^ | omfyum I'm hungry |
| 15:33.02 | mheath | You could add some seasoning salt to the recipe, but theres a lot of better things to flavor your turkey with that generic seasoning salt. |
| 15:33.12 | tensai | the salt also assures that during cooking, the meat will lose less water |
| 15:33.23 | mheath | Question: Would I get carded attempting to buy some cooking wine? |
| 15:33.32 | ^Migs^ | probably |
| 15:33.44 | mheath | A small bottle of wine next to the vinegar....just red wine, specifically labeled for cooking. |
| 15:33.55 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 15:33.59 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: or just deep fry it |
| 15:34.03 | ^Migs^ | depends on the store maybe |
| 15:34.04 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 15:34.05 | emcnabb | that's the best I've ever had |
| 15:34.10 | ^Migs^ | everything is awesome when it's deep fried |
| 15:34.15 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 15:34.47 | tensai | ^Migs^: I would expect you to. there's nothing special about cooking wine except that it's lower quality. |
| 15:34.50 | ^Migs^ | my coworker next to me never shuts up about food |
| 15:34.58 | ^Migs^ | I swear he's obsessed. He's not fat or anything. He just raves about it. |
| 15:35.12 | ^Migs^ | in every other conversation ,literally, food comes up |
| 15:37.45 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: sounds like this guy I know who talks about the military all the time |
| 15:37.48 | emcnabb | very annoying |
| 15:38.28 | ^Migs^ | omg i know |
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| 15:44.10 | ^Migs^ | wtf, why are all recipe sites loading slow today? Dumb thanksgivingers. |
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| 16:05.48 | ^Migs^ | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280050635902&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=280050635902&fvi=1 |
| 16:07.50 | ^Migs^ | haha, that seller must be SOO pissed |
| 16:08.36 | phinux | Wow, the re-sale value on those things is pretty lousy. |
| 16:09.00 | elg | ha! no reserve? |
| 16:09.02 | graphyx | That's just plain nuts ^Migs^ |
| 16:09.11 | graphyx | elg: no reserve is cheaper. |
| 16:09.21 | ^Migs^ | "BUY IT NOW FOR $1250.00!!!!" hahahaha |
| 16:09.24 | elg | not when you lose a few hundred dollars |
| 16:09.30 | graphyx | I know. |
| 16:09.39 | elg | i mean the guy was expecting a $600+ profit |
| 16:09.43 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 16:09.45 | elg | he could afford a reserve |
| 16:10.00 | graphyx | Now what would have really sucked is if someone sent him cash and a new mailling address that wasn't the winner. |
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| 16:10.10 | graphyx | And he sent it out to the wrong person. |
| 16:10.20 | graphyx | That would be amuzing. |
| 16:10.26 | ^Migs^ | huh? |
| 16:11.03 | graphyx | a third party (not the winner or seller) sending in the cash for the bid and having him send it to the wrong person. |
| 16:11.33 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 16:14.34 | graphyx | I've heard of that happening before. |
| 16:17.39 | graphyx | anyone familiar with the process that generates a file called, "erl_crash.dump"? |
| 16:17.56 | levi | graphyx: Are you perhaps running ejabberd or something? |
| 16:18.04 | graphyx | nope. |
| 16:18.08 | graphyx | It's for a third party. |
| 16:18.11 | graphyx | rather clueless. |
| 16:18.15 | graphyx | trying to be cluefull |
| 16:18.47 | levi | It's apparently an erlang crash log. |
| 16:19.24 | levi | And I figured ejabberd would be the most widely-used erlang program. |
| 16:22.36 | Tene | "The seller ended this listing early to sell to the high bidder(s) at current bid price." |
| 16:23.13 | Tene | Probably didn't end up getting one or wanted to relist with a higher "buy it now" price. |
| 16:25.08 | graphyx | levi thanks. |
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| 16:28.47 | ^Migs^ | I don't like having a cubicle next to someone. I can't say stuff like "holy crap, it worked" without him coming over to see what's going on. |
| 16:29.13 | ^Migs^ | then of course, we have to discuss how funny it was that I said that for the next 5 minutes |
| 16:29.24 | graphyx | ^Migs^: I don't think the cubicle is the problem. It's probably the resident. |
| 16:30.01 | ^Migs^ | well, this time it wasn't 5 minutes. I made sure to have a cold uninterested look on my face so he'd get the hint that I don't want to talk about it. |
| 16:30.07 | ^Migs^ | a little rude I guess, but meh |
| 16:30.18 | graphyx | same guy? |
| 16:30.22 | ^Migs^ | uh, yeah...hehe |
| 16:30.24 | graphyx | he doesn't get a hint does he.. |
| 16:30.55 | ^Migs^ | oh, that's just how he is. He's sociable, and I'm not. I think socializing during work hours is wasteful. |
| 16:31.00 | ^Migs^ | save that for lunch break. |
| 16:31.22 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Just get some nice padded earphones. |
| 16:31.23 | ^Migs^ | then again, I'm socializing in here, so I'm kind of contradicting myself. |
| 16:31.25 | levi | (except for socializing here?) ;) |
| 16:31.27 | graphyx | Over the head and such. |
| 16:31.34 | ^Migs^ | however, I only talk when I'm waiting for some process to finish running. |
| 16:31.41 | ^Migs^ | or some such |
| 16:31.42 | graphyx | Even if you don't use it for music he might think twice about making you remove them. |
| 16:31.55 | ^Migs^ | I WAS wearing padded headphones when he came over |
| 16:31.58 | elg | you can use it for text-to-speech of irc |
| 16:32.20 | ^Migs^ | and he was sitting there for about 20 seconds |
| 16:32.20 | graphyx | ^Migs^: And you acknowledged him. |
| 16:32.26 | graphyx | Just pretend you didn't see him |
| 16:32.39 | ^Migs^ | no, I felt someone leering behind me so I turned around. |
| 16:32.53 | graphyx | ok, how much are you paying this guy? |
| 16:33.23 | ^Migs^ | you know, I think he makes the same amount as me. My boss said that he thinks human resources didn't bump me up to the right step when I got promoted |
| 16:33.36 | ^Migs^ | doesn't make a lot of sense, imo |
| 16:33.51 | ^Migs^ | either that, or he's one step below me in the same lane. |
| 16:34.00 | ^Migs^ | I really don't care how much other employees make. |
| 16:34.48 | graphyx | I was thinking along the lines of are you sure that yo ucan't find someone else for the same job, but then I remembered that you didn't really get a say in it. |
| 16:37.54 | findlay | hello |
| 16:39.29 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Schubert's 3rd symphony |
| 16:42.10 | mheath | I'm not. |
| 16:43.46 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 16:44.22 | findlay | ~beat mheath until he's in the mood for Schubert |
| 16:44.23 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats mheath until he's in the mood for Schubert over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 16:45.17 | mheath | ~lart findlay |
| 16:45.55 | mheath | Trying to think what else I can do for thanksgiving dinner |
| 16:46.09 | mheath | Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, candied yams.... |
| 16:46.28 | maquis | broccolli casserole |
| 16:46.35 | mheath | ~lart maquis |
| 16:47.49 | findlay | mheath: you just need a little Schubert |
| 16:47.57 | mheath | why is it that computers and programs are being designed more and more from an aesthetic point of view and less from a functional point of view? |
| 16:48.09 | findlay | me and my brothers are playing Schubert string quartets |
| 16:48.25 | findlay | because they are ugly |
| 16:48.28 | maquis | mheath: because the focus is more and more on the "average" user who doesn't care about function, and really just wants something that looks good |
| 16:48.51 | findlay | whatever they do they can't touch my fluxbox |
| 16:49.34 | maquis | my evilwm is safe :) |
| 16:49.38 | mheath | Things like Gopher get superseded by HTML because MS starts introducing crap like <font> and frames... |
| 16:50.01 | mheath | Whereas Gopher is arguably a vastly superior system for information retrieval and searching |
| 16:50.01 | maquis | findlay: the beauty of open-source is that you can choose to use something that puts function ahead of looks... |
| 16:50.54 | mheath | Things like IRC get superseded by crap like AIM, because people want 2 BE TOTALLY LIKE OMG =) =) =) =) =) =) =) ;-) |
| 16:50.59 | maquis | btw, for anyone who's curious, "happy feet" is a cute movie |
| 16:51.24 | mheath | It looked cute. I kind of fail to see the point of it, though. |
| 16:51.39 | findlay | maquis: how can you use a rough hewm WM and then talk about cute movies? |
| 16:51.53 | maquis | it's a movie about penguins |
| 16:52.01 | findlay | oh, ok |
| 16:52.03 | maquis | you can't beat that |
| 16:52.06 | findlay | that's better |
| 16:52.10 | mheath | maquis: I was reminded about you. Looking through Google's Usenet Archives timeline... |
| 16:52.24 | maquis | mheath: umm... how did that remind you of me? |
| 16:52.35 | mheath | Theres a post on USENET by the amazon.com founder wanting superb programers for a "well-capitalized internet startup" |
| 16:52.47 | maquis | ah |
| 16:52.48 | maquis | cool |
| 16:52.54 | maquis | bezos is pretty cool |
| 16:53.10 | mheath | I feel scared already |
| 16:53.29 | mheath | 20 years from now, when my kids are playing with their virtual reality systems... |
| 16:53.40 | mheath | "When I was your age we had this thing called the Nintendo..." |
| 16:53.49 | mheath | "The Nintendo Wii? That's ancient....." |
| 16:53.52 | mheath | "Erm....no." |
| 16:56.22 | maquis | wii |
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| 16:57.35 | mheath | How much does it cost to get around 50 T-shirts custom printed? |
| 16:58.07 | mheath | Just an image + text on the front |
| 16:58.13 | mheath | front breast area* |
| 16:58.52 | levi | mheath: Gopher being superseded by WWW had NOTHING to do with Microsoft. Microsoft was still denying that the web was important at all at the time. |
| 16:59.13 | jsmith | mheath: Check out zazzle.com or cafepress.com |
| 16:59.30 | graphyx | do recall that history is written by the winners. |
| 16:59.38 | graphyx | er.. victors |
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| 17:00.18 | levi | mheath: And although part of the reason was the graphics, a big part of it was the simpler model and hypertext markup that the WWW used. |
| 17:02.40 | levi | mheath: Firefox can still visit gopher sites, too; it's not like gopher was killed from the client-side. It lost on the server-side. |
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| 17:12.51 | macnewbold | mheath: depending on whether they supply the shirts or you do, the cost will vary |
| 17:13.35 | macnewbold | for the printing, plan on something like $50-100 setup plus $1/shirt for example (in your case, $2-3/shirt for printing), plus the cost of the shirts ($5-10 each depending what you get) |
| 17:14.00 | macnewbold | once you've done the setup, you can do shirts, long sleeve shirts, sweatshirts, hoodies, or whatever usually |
| 17:14.25 | macnewbold | cafepress will do them for $8 each without a setup fee I think, for a "value" t-shirt with your printing |
| 17:14.37 | macnewbold | and you can reorder any time |
| 17:14.37 | mheath | Can you get those in various colors, though? |
| 17:14.46 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm quite sure you can |
| 17:14.53 | macnewbold | what "various colors" do you need? |
| 17:15.08 | mheath | A blue color |
| 17:15.10 | mheath | Navy |
| 17:18.02 | macnewbold | I would hope cafepress would have that |
| 17:18.13 | macnewbold | but if not, any other printing place would be able to get them at a reasonable cost for you |
| 17:18.19 | macnewbold | or you could supply your own |
| 17:18.55 | macnewbold | cafepress would be a little higher cost probably, but no setup fee and you can order as many or as few as you'd like, turn it into a fundraiser, and order more later with no additional costs |
| 17:19.16 | macnewbold | there's a small setup fee every time they have to set up the machines again when you do a custom print |
| 17:19.28 | macnewbold | smaller though than the first one, since they still have the screens and stuff |
| 17:23.43 | maquis | ~seen bonez39 |
| 17:24.10 | ibot | bonez39 <n=bonez@drjones.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 19h 55m 49s ago, saying: 'Lone_Wanderer, you are right.....the guys need to grow brains..and think.....and act responsibly...'. |
| 17:24.23 | Tene | ~seen maquis |
| 17:24.25 | ibot | maquis is currently on #ubuntu-utah #utah. Has said a total of 117 messages. Is idling for 42s, last said: '~seen bonez39'. |
| 17:24.54 | maquis | ~onjoin bonez39 bonez39: ping maquis |
| 17:24.54 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 17:25.03 | maquis | ibot: thx |
| 17:25.12 | ibot | np |
| 17:26.51 | Lone_Wanderer | You're thanking an inanimate object? |
| 17:28.04 | elg | "Given that some societies have used non-Latin characters for thousands of years, is this a bit late in coming?" |
| 17:28.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Is what a bit late? |
| 17:31.29 | elg | the article is about i18n of dns |
| 17:33.30 | findlay | innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 17:39.55 | findlay | man, this is a hack |
| 17:40.01 | findlay | ugly hack |
| 17:43.28 | ^Migs^ | who? me? |
| 17:44.08 | ^Migs^ | ~seen ^Migs^ |
| 17:44.31 | ibot | ^migs^ is currently on #utah (3h 2m 3s). Has said a total of 57 messages. Is idling for 24s, last said: '~seen ^Migs^'. |
| 17:45.18 | Tene | who hacks a what? |
| 17:47.03 | levi | findlay: I see you have a blog now. |
| 17:49.27 | ^Migs^ | a blog! a blog! findlay has a blog! |
| 17:49.38 | ^Migs^ | er... |
| 17:49.39 | Sargun | hi |
| 17:49.59 | Sargun | So, like my brain is exploding |
| 17:50.12 | Sargun | I got a decaffeinated hang over. :-/ |
| 17:50.33 | Sargun | from drinking 4 drinks to keep me awake 36 hours |
| 17:50.44 | ^Migs^ | I just realized you're not that guy I hate, Sargun. It was someone named Sergei. |
| 17:50.48 | ^Migs^ | so we're cool |
| 17:50.54 | Sargun | Sweet. |
| 17:51.12 | ^Migs^ | completely different channel, from about two years ago |
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| 17:52.53 | ^Migs^ | you want in on the male bonding, calvarez? |
| 17:53.05 | calvarez | bonding, yay! |
| 18:00.10 | Sargun | calvarez, you scarred us all! |
| 18:04.07 | findlay | levi: indeed |
| 18:06.23 | findlay | all this tedious and complex moving files around by hand is an hack |
| 18:07.00 | findlay | and sed-ing them too |
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| 18:16.49 | findlay | I don't hate Sargun either |
| 18:17.07 | Sargun | You love me. |
| 18:18.00 | *** topic/#utah by ibot -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Turkeys be warned, this is not a ham sandwich. || Everybody loves Sargun (findlay) |
| 18:18.17 | findlay | what is the (findlay) deal? |
| 18:18.53 | findlay | silly bot |
| 18:19.00 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:19.12 | *** topic/#utah by Sargun -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Turkeys be warned, this is not a ham sandwich. || Everybody loves Sargun) |
| 18:19.14 | *** topic/#utah by Sargun -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Turkeys be warned, this is not a ham sandwich. || Everybody loves Sargun |
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| 18:26.00 | emcnabb | kdump is pretty cool |
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| 18:32.06 | harleypig | Cool. In bash ~- expands to the previous directory ... |
| 18:32.33 | harleypig | So you could do 'cd -' or even 'cp * ~-' |
| 18:33.04 | harleypig | Guess calvarez didn't want to k now that. |
| 18:37.29 | Sargun | .... |
| 18:37.45 | findlay | $OLDPWD does the same |
| 18:38.18 | findlay | ah, I scared off emcnabb woth my serious bash-fu |
| 18:38.25 | findlay | s/o/i/g |
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| 18:41.15 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:41.55 | ^Migs^ | that idiot who robbed the bank with the dye ('member the story I posted the other day) got caught: http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2006/11/21/2432779.html |
| 18:42.03 | ^Migs^ | he apparently tried to rob, like, a million banks in one day |
| 18:42.12 | ^Migs^ | what an idiot |
| 18:42.47 | findlay | ~rob ^Migs^ |
| 18:42.49 | ibot | ACTION strips ^Migs^ of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy |
| 18:45.02 | maquis | lol |
| 19:06.47 | maquis | what's the trick to telling vim that i want it to highlight the current file as a perl file? |
| 19:07.42 | Tene | there's a clicky menu in gvim |
| 19:10.01 | maquis | Tene: i'm looking for something besides a clicky menu |
| 19:10.06 | Tene | hehe |
| 19:10.07 | maquis | particularly since i'm not in gvim |
| 19:10.18 | jsmith | maquis: :syn seems close, but not quite |
| 19:10.21 | Tene | :syn, I think |
| 19:10.23 | Tene | ocelot |
| 19:11.06 | findlay | :set filetype=perl |
| 19:11.45 | maquis | findlay: thx... that's what i was looking for :) |
| 19:13.00 | findlay | echo "map <F4> :setfiletype perl<CR>" >> ~/.vimrc |
| 19:15.44 | maquis | findlay: thx |
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| 19:17.29 | graphyx | findlay: Thanks for being the SME on vim. |
| 19:17.35 | Tene | SME? |
| 19:17.41 | graphyx | I think that is one of the things that I like about hanging out in this channel. ( |
| 19:17.55 | graphyx | (No, not the guy from peter pan |
| 19:18.00 | graphyx | SME: Subject Matter Expert. |
| 19:18.20 | graphyx | What we are is essentially a bunch of SMEs who are friends and help each other out. |
| 19:18.28 | graphyx | with some individuals who just leech. |
| 19:18.34 | graphyx | kinda like myself. ;) |
| 19:19.33 | findlay | heh, I don't know 0.99 of vim |
| 19:19.48 | findlay | nor 0.5 or even 0.25 for that matter |
| 19:19.59 | maquis | elg is a pretty good SME on vim in the rare times when he's around :) |
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| 19:22.53 | Tene | any entertaining examples? |
| 19:23.26 | maquis | Tene: lets' just say that you should always do the "think" step before the "hit enter" step |
| 19:23.52 | SB1-Work | heh |
| 19:23.59 | SB1-Work | Or rather doesn't work at times |
| 19:24.02 | maquis | :) |
| 19:24.08 | SB1-Work | rm -rf . /etc |
| 19:24.13 | SB1-Work | "Huh, that was fast" |
| 19:24.14 | SB1-Work | "Oops" |
| 19:24.34 | maquis | i'm really good at hitting enter, then thinking while i wait for the process to run, and suddenly going "DOH!" |
| 19:25.08 | Tene | I've never really understood the "command with an extra space in it" thing, because I've never done it... but I really doubt that all the people who *have* done that are idiots, or something... |
| 19:25.39 | graphyx | one trick I have learned is for any for i in ' ' command do an echo prior to the running of the command to make sure it is going to do what you specifically wanted to do. |
| 19:25.53 | Tene | nodnod |
| 19:33.31 | SB1-Work | Tene: Just an accidental double-tap of the space bar.. rm[space]-rf[space].[space]/etc |
| 19:33.45 | SB1-Work | Really, all it is, is a simple type |
| 19:33.50 | SB1-Work | s/type/typo/ |
| 19:33.54 | SB1-Work | The irony ;P |
| 19:34.46 | Sargun | Why can't people have a XML API |
| 19:38.48 | emcnabb | Sargun: please do that about 50 more times, thanks |
| 19:39.00 | Sargun | heheh. |
| 19:39.02 | Sargun | :-P |
| 19:40.48 | ^Migs^ | remember those million-dollar batteries? Did you guys check out the USED batteries price? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00006JPRJ/ref=dp_olp_2/105-8013795-0529214 |
| 19:40.59 | ^Migs^ | They fixed the page, but now there's "New: from $9.25; Used: from $250.00" hahahahaha |
| 19:41.16 | ^Migs^ | that's better resale than the PS3 |
| 19:42.16 | graphyx | I was wondering who would want to buy used batteries. |
| 19:42.57 | graphyx | Ok .. |
| 19:43.09 | graphyx | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/20/microsoft_claims_linux_code/ |
| 19:44.00 | graphyx | in response to the above, I can only pray that the next time a case like SCO happens that the judge will have the gonads to say, You better bring me a list of the offending lines of code before we take one more step or I'll rule against you with prejudice. |
| 19:44.31 | emcnabb | they don't have to |
| 19:44.36 | emcnabb | these are *patents* |
| 19:44.58 | graphyx | software patents are bogus. |
| 19:45.02 | emcnabb | completely |
| 19:45.14 | findlay | I'm sure microsoft claimed linux code 6 years ago when the merged it into the evil codebase |
| 19:45.28 | graphyx | Ok I have a new patent. |
| 19:45.35 | graphyx | I claim the if statement. |
| 19:45.48 | findlay | Saroun is gathering all his evil forces |
| 19:45.51 | mheath | I must say, there are few things in life better than ornately setting the table with heirloom silver flatware, your finest china, and crystal goblets; shopping for things like yams, marshmellows, and egg nog; and spending the day with family. |
| 19:45.52 | emcnabb | so in the end it turns out that Novell is not a wonderful open source company, but instead a Microsoft prositute |
| 19:45.57 | graphyx | defined as the ability to do one thing or another based on the outcome of a given condition. |
| 19:45.58 | ^Migs^ | I have a new patent. I claim any claim on the if statement. |
| 19:46.13 | graphyx | ^Migs^: you're too late. |
| 19:46.19 | emcnabb | mheath: you're already setting the table? |
| 19:46.20 | ^Migs^ | no I'm not. |
| 19:46.21 | graphyx | the new IF, patent pending. |
| 19:46.28 | emcnabb | mheath: don't you have better things to do? |
| 19:46.36 | mheath | emcnabb, Yes. I work tonight, and tomorrow. |
| 19:46.36 | ^Migs^ | yes, and I'm patenting ALL claims on that claim |
| 19:46.51 | emcnabb | man, you must take a long time to set a table |
| 19:46.53 | findlay | and I claim patents on all claims |
| 19:46.58 | levi | graphyx: You can have your if statement. I've got the conditional expression! |
| 19:47.07 | graphyx | sweet. |
| 19:47.08 | mheath | emcnabb, I had tons of silver to polish. |
| 19:47.13 | mheath | It was all really nasty and tarnished. |
| 19:47.27 | graphyx | I plan on putting my patent on a software preserve to make sure that everyone can always use it free of charge. |
| 19:47.41 | emcnabb | hum... sure.... ok |
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| 19:47.55 | mheath | We're using my Great-Grand-Mother's set, and we |
| 19:48.03 | mheath | and we've never used that before. Not recently at least |
| 19:48.08 | emcnabb | cool |
| 19:48.10 | mheath | when it was put away last time, no one used polish on it |
| 19:48.18 | mheath | So it was all horribly tarnished |
| 19:48.26 | graphyx | does putting polish on it before it is put away prevent tarnish in storage? |
| 19:48.34 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 19:48.46 | Lone_Wanderer | it'll tarnish through the polish and the polish will dry and it'll be a damn mess |
| 19:48.54 | mheath | graphyx, yes. Most polishes double as a tarnish protectant. |
| 19:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 19:49.11 | Lone_Wanderer | not the ones I've used |
| 19:49.14 | Lone_Wanderer | they just make a huge mess |
| 19:49.18 | emcnabb | most are just acid |
| 19:49.25 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, you don't _leave_ the polish on |
| 19:49.31 | Lone_Wanderer | that's what he said... |
| 19:49.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh |
| 19:49.42 | mheath | You wipe it off. It just leaves an unobservable protective seal. |
| 19:49.48 | Lone_Wanderer | gotcha |
| 19:49.52 | mheath | It's not like you have goo all over your silverware in the box |
| 19:49.59 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: you got that? |
| 19:50.05 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 19:50.07 | emcnabb | good |
| 19:50.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought you meant to like slather polish on it and then come back in six months and just wipe it off |
| 19:50.43 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause I tried that once when I was in high school. |
| 19:50.48 | mheath | Hah. |
| 19:50.52 | Lone_Wanderer | military school - polishing my brass was a pain |
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| 19:51.05 | mheath | Uh |
| 19:51.13 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: don't mention the military! |
| 19:51.20 | mheath | I've never seen any brass that I had to polish in the literal sense |
| 19:51.33 | findlay | how do I remove stale configs from /etc with dpkg? |
| 19:51.43 | mheath | All the stuff comes with mirror finishes that you don't ever have to polish |
| 19:51.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet you didn't go to a military school, did you mheath? |
| 19:51.48 | mheath | Now, at least |
| 19:51.50 | Lone_Wanderer | No you did not. |
| 19:52.18 | emcnabb | mheath: Lone_Wanderer served in WWII |
| 19:52.25 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, no, but I regularly wear a USN officer uniform while I volunteer with the USNSCC as an adult leader. |
| 19:52.52 | mheath | Belt buckle, rank insignia, buttons, I've never had to polish any of that, really. |
| 19:52.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Well good for you and your acronyms. In my day we didn't HAVE acronyms! |
| 19:53.12 | findlay | dude, my question is peremptory!!@11 |
| 19:53.22 | mheath | I love the Navy's acronyms :P |
| 19:53.29 | mheath | ComTelComDevRonCom |
| 19:53.36 | emcnabb | Lone_Wanderer: look what you started |
| 19:53.53 | mheath | Commander, Telecommunications Development Squadron Command |
| 19:53.59 | mheath | :P |
| 19:54.04 | mrpull | anybody (besides goozbach) know about R.C. Collins? |
| 19:54.17 | mheath | mrpull: That sounds really familiar. Hmm |
| 19:54.24 | mrpull | LOL |
| 19:54.55 | mheath | Maybe I'm mistaken though. It just sounds familiar. |
| 19:55.20 | mheath | Anyone here use Google Groups? |
| 19:55.22 | mrpull | ask goozbach next time he is around |
| 19:55.22 | findlay | neat. I like debian's packages (: |
| 19:56.22 | mheath | Google groups has an option to _add_ someone to the group, versus _invite_ them |
| 19:56.50 | mheath | Our issue is, we're planning on converting an annoucnement list to google groups (right now, its just a long list of e-mail addresses sitting in a word document on some guys computer that he copies and pastes into the send line) |
| 19:57.16 | ^Migs^ | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e83eb08522 |
| 19:57.22 | mheath | There are some people who the announcements go too that it wouldn't really be appropriate to ask to sign up for our list |
| 19:57.56 | mheath | If you 'add' then with google groups...is it still noisy? Does it still send out the "WELCOME TO THE _________ GROUP" message? Or can you manually add someone to simply relay message sto? |
| 19:58.33 | findlay | all this time you guys were pontificating about acronyms and nonsense, I got my question answered, myself! |
| 19:59.01 | mheath | ^Migs^, that video is derogetory and stupid. |
| 19:59.28 | mheath | I was surprised this last weekend when we had a little person show up for one of our USNSCC drills |
| 19:59.51 | mheath | That kid could do 105 pushups in 2 minutes, and pass all of our physical readiness test requirements. |
| 20:00.02 | mheath | It blew me away. |
| 20:00.03 | ^Migs^ | I agree, mheath |
| 20:00.32 | ^Migs^ | sounds like you're being derogatory, to assume that midgets are incapable of physical prowess |
| 20:01.10 | mheath | ^Migs^, No, I assumed that someone with legs 1/4 the length of mine shouldn't be able to outrun me when I am in great physical shape. I assumed wrong. |
| 20:01.13 | mrpull | You're bidding on Sony Playstations, 3 of them |
| 20:01.20 | findlay | I am? |
| 20:01.24 | mheath | mrpull: haha |
| 20:01.28 | mheath | sly ;-P |
| 20:01.46 | mrpull | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK:MESO:IT&viewitem=&item=300050305788&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 20:01.56 | mrpull | some poor sucker paid 900 bucks |
| 20:02.12 | ^Migs^ | another 1 bid |
| 20:02.17 | graphyx | the 20 gig systems are impossible to find, so buy these here. |
| 20:02.31 | graphyx | that is the one thing that I alwasy remember when IU see these auctions. |
| 20:02.49 | graphyx | Is that they didn't just fool one person (Unless it is buy it now), but rather they fooled 2 people. |
| 20:02.51 | graphyx | or more. |
| 20:02.52 | mrpull | i remember somebody paying a lot for an Xbox BOX |
| 20:03.16 | mheath | $300 for a PS1 |
| 20:03.21 | mheath | Thats horrible :( |
| 20:03.22 | graphyx | and then there is the selling of the contact info of someone who might be willing to sell a Wii. |
| 20:03.24 | graphyx | $1100 |
| 20:03.31 | mheath | ..... |
| 20:03.38 | mheath | This is why the human race sucks. |
| 20:03.43 | mheath | In a nutshell, right there. |
| 20:03.45 | graphyx | and it wasn't sly at all. |
| 20:03.51 | graphyx | It was really obvious. |
| 20:03.52 | mheath | Holy crap. Impatient lazy people. |
| 20:04.00 | mheath | graphyx, Yeah, thats why I had the ";-P" |
| 20:04.09 | ^Migs^ | do you have a link for the contact info one, graphyx? |
| 20:04.26 | graphyx | It had you are bidding on the <bold> Email address </bol> of someone who has a Wii |
| 20:04.46 | ^Migs^ | I should buy a cheap PS2 now |
| 20:04.48 | mheath | Wait |
| 20:04.59 | mheath | My dad has a Porsche - I should put MY e-mail up for bid |
| 20:05.13 | mheath | "You are bidding on the e-mail address of someone who's dad owns a porsche 914-6" |
| 20:05.25 | mheath | Why are people so obsessed with Wiis? |
| 20:05.32 | mheath | They're in the process of producing TONS of them |
| 20:05.39 | graphyx | ^Migs^: it was on digg.com |
| 20:05.41 | mheath | Nintendo's promised MILLIONS in time for christmas |
| 20:06.09 | mheath | I could understand the PS3 a little more (still not understanding it, but more..) |
| 20:06.40 | SB1-Work | mheath, because the PS3 is worthless, and the Wii is incredible fun |
| 20:07.08 | SB1-Work | mheath, every single game that's been released for the PS3 to date is getting incredibly crappy reviews, and every game on the Wii has amazing reviews |
| 20:07.42 | SB1-Work | I'm not one to judge a game on a review, but I will judge a console on a large number of games reviews |
| 20:07.44 | mheath | So that justifies throwing away thousands of dollars so you can have your's a few days or weeks earlier than everyone else? |
| 20:08.03 | mheath | BTW, how much is the Wii expected to retail for once it's released and widely available? |
| 20:08.07 | SB1-Work | Some people are freaks. Welcome to planet earth. |
| 20:08.39 | mrpull | elg: still looking for a DIY joystick? I saw this on make: http://www.mindaugas.com/projects/MJoy/ |
| 20:09.49 | ^Migs^ | http://therealps3grill.com/ |
| 20:13.49 | graphyx | ^Migs^: lol |
| 20:15.51 | findlay | ~console SB1-Work |
| 20:15.53 | ibot | ACTION gives SB1-Work the consolation moose |
| 20:16.41 | SB1-Work | findlay, so you're syndicated now, huh? |
| 20:17.15 | findlay | how do you feel about syndicated? |
| 20:17.41 | SB1-Work | It's a fun feeling... until I hotlinked that image |
| 20:17.51 | SB1-Work | And forgot it would be syndicated to openclue AND planetlarry |
| 20:17.58 | SB1-Work | ... when my blog is hosted on my home cable modem. |
| 20:17.59 | SB1-Work | Oops. |
| 20:18.35 | findlay | an isp that isn't willing to provide diy hosting isn't worth your money |
| 20:18.49 | SB1-Work | Comcast |
| 20:19.09 | SB1-Work | Sorry, but DSL in my area isn't much of an option |
| 20:19.09 | findlay | comcast wants you to think you're a consumer and only a consumer |
| 20:19.21 | SB1-Work | And power to xmission, but metered monthly bandwidth? Pass |
| 20:19.23 | findlay | stupid telcos |
| 20:19.55 | SB1-Work | The problem isn't really comcast, but rather their pathetic 384kbps upstream cap |
| 20:20.10 | findlay | hence, comcast |
| 20:20.16 | SB1-Work | Point |
| 20:21.29 | SB1-Work | http://stats.brantleyonline.com/awstats.pl?config=boredom.brantleyonline.com |
| 20:21.46 | SB1-Work | 200kB/day, 900kB/day, 600kB/day.. |
| 20:21.55 | SB1-Work | Bam, 19MB/day |
| 20:22.24 | findlay | what's xmission's cap at? |
| 20:22.34 | findlay | I doubt you'd hit it on DSL |
| 20:22.49 | SB1-Work | I'd beg to differ |
| 20:23.02 | findlay | don't differ, provide some data (: |
| 20:23.03 | SB1-Work | I've recieved notices from Comcast stating that I was borderline abusing their network |
| 20:23.15 | findlay | stupid telcos |
| 20:23.17 | SB1-Work | (>100GB/month uploaded, three to four times that downloaded) |
| 20:23.36 | findlay | that's a lot |
| 20:23.47 | SB1-Work | XMission isn't an option :) |
| 20:24.52 | findlay | heh |
| 20:24.52 | levi | Check this out: a turing machine in Conway's Game of Life: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~bulitko/F02/papers/tm_words.pdf |
| 20:24.52 | findlay | guess you need your alt.binaries or whatever it is |
| 20:24.52 | findlay | (: |
| 20:24.58 | SB1-Work | Torrents |
| 20:25.16 | SB1-Work | torrents + my PXE wiki = a lot of bandwidth |
| 20:25.37 | ^Migs^ | http://www.smashmyps3.com/ |
| 20:25.44 | jsmith | PXE wiki? |
| 20:25.53 | mrpull | ^migs^: somehow I guessed you'd be amused by that :) |
| 20:26.10 | SB1-Work | jsmith, http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/index.php/PXE_Booting_Index |
| 20:27.16 | ^Migs^ | I'm amused by anything relating to the PS3 right now |
| 20:27.49 | SB1-Work | jsmith, I also co-authored the wikipedia entry on PXE |
| 20:27.59 | SB1-Work | ~wiki Preboot Execution Enviroment |
| 20:28.00 | jsmith | Cool... |
| 20:28.17 | SB1-Work | ibot, liar! |
| 20:28.26 | ibot | hey, I just work here; I don't have to take that kind of abuse from you |
| 20:28.27 | SB1-Work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment |
| 20:28.27 | jsmith | I know what PXE is -- I've done a metric tone of PXE booting. |
| 20:28.42 | SB1-Work | jsmith, heh. I couldn't find ANY documentation about it on the general internet. |
| 20:28.47 | SB1-Work | So I figured it out and documented it. |
| 20:29.05 | SB1-Work | Considering how much of mediawiki is cached (images, stylesheets) |
| 20:29.07 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-71-195-212-252.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:29.12 | SB1-Work | And that the entire wiki there is raw text |
| 20:29.21 | jsmith | Cool... yeah, it's one of those black magic things that doesn't get documented a lot. |
| 20:29.23 | SB1-Work | I pull ~400MB/month of traffic on it |
| 20:29.53 | SB1-Work | jsmith, you're more than welcome to contribute ;) |
| 20:30.27 | jsmith | I really ought to -- I just did a big writeup on my corporate intranet wiki about PXE booting and kickstarting RHEL |
| 20:30.49 | SB1-Work | Throw a bit of info about kickstart onto my wiki |
| 20:30.53 | SB1-Work | I already have a FC page |
| 20:31.08 | ^Migs^ | oh man, that hatemail is GREAT: http://www.smashmyps3.com/hatemail.php |
| 20:31.19 | SB1-Work | http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/index.php/PXE_Booting_-_Fedora_Core |
| 20:32.03 | SB1-Work | I'm working on adding PXE booting windows installs over non-RIS PXE setups. |
| 20:32.42 | ^Migs^ | "IF I DON'T GET ONE BY MY B-DAY IN FEB,ITS YOUR FAULT AND I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL FOR IT!!!!" |
| 20:35.54 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:36.01 | Sargun | SB1-Work, How do you make that happen? |
| 20:36.08 | Sargun | emulate windows in qemu? |
| 20:36.31 | SB1-Work | Sargun, no... |
| 20:36.42 | SB1-Work | Sargun, PXE... qemu... what? |
| 20:37.25 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:37.34 | Sargun | how do you make windows be PXE friendly? |
| 20:37.48 | SB1-Work | Windows *Installs. |
| 20:37.54 | SB1-Work | Not diskless windows. |
| 20:39.43 | Sargun | ah |
| 20:40.33 | jsmith | SB1-Work: I'm adding some info on how you can add a graphical logo use pxelinux.0 |
| 20:40.54 | SB1-Work | jsmith, e hehe. The stuff I was too lazy to bother with :D |
| 20:41.17 | jsmith | Well, your wiki says it's not possible, but it happens to be very possible (just poorly documented). |
| 20:41.21 | SB1-Work | If you poke around, you'll note that I actually hacked pxelinux.0 to have a 'silent' version. No output on the screen, pretty much at all. |
| 20:41.34 | jsmith | Already saw that... and bookmarked it. |
| 20:41.34 | SB1-Work | I'm basically anti-fancy-cool-stuff. |
| 20:42.14 | SB1-Work | I need to get around to updating it... maybe I will once I clean this place up a bit. |
| 20:42.14 | jsmith | Well, the logo keeps the debug stuff from being printed, and adds that "wow" factor. |
| 20:42.29 | SB1-Work | Fair enough |
| 20:43.13 | SB1-Work | But yeah, "poorly documented black box" describes it perfectly. Hence the wiki. |
| 20:45.34 | findlay | but why so much cruelty to pixies that you're 'booting' them? |
| 20:47.25 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 20:49.14 | Sargun | man |
| 20:53.18 | *** join/#utah spig (n=spig@sento1.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 20:59.02 | SB1-Work | ha, updated. |
| 20:59.05 | SB1-Work | Now I just need to test it. |
| 21:01.18 | SB1-Work | ... which could be a problem here. Hmm. |
| 21:02.52 | Lone_Wanderer | oh wait... |
| 21:02.55 | Lone_Wanderer | 302 Found... |
| 21:02.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm an idiot |
| 21:07.15 | tensai | I got a hit to my newest spam trap |
| 21:07.47 | tensai | I discovered that this one spammer at least scraped my email address from a google cache of my site |
| 21:10.32 | ^Migs^ | why are you plastering your email address all over your site? |
| 21:11.20 | harleypig | MAHANNA YOU UGLY! GET DOWN FROM THAT TREE! |
| 21:12.58 | findlay | SQL SELECT HARLEYPIG LINGO QUOTES |
| 21:13.33 | Tene | ~harleypig findlay |
| 21:13.43 | Tene | There's no harleypig verb? |
| 21:15.49 | ^Migs^ | ~migs Tene |
| 21:15.51 | ibot | ACTION forces Tene to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:16.12 | harleypig | Tene: It's called rand I think |
| 21:16.18 | harleypig | ~rand |
| 21:16.19 | ibot | 9 |
| 21:16.23 | harleypig | see? |
| 21:16.27 | harleypig | ~rand Tene |
| 21:16.35 | harleypig | oops |
| 21:16.38 | findlay | ~rand % 1234567890 |
| 21:16.57 | harleypig | It should reply with Ayn |
| 21:17.26 | harleypig | (that's why she's such a wierdo ... who the heck spells their kids name so wierdly?) |
| 21:17.40 | harleypig | Well, in the 40s anyway. |
| 21:18.32 | harleypig | err ... 05? I thought she was younger than that. |
| 21:18.34 | harleypig | apparently not. |
| 21:19.06 | harleypig | oooo ... she was a russian jew ... that explains a lot ... |
| 21:21.34 | findlay | heh |
| 21:26.31 | harleypig | I guess I should qualify that ... she was a russian jew during the bolshevik uprising ... |
| 21:26.45 | graphyx | email address for a WII for $300 |
| 21:26.46 | graphyx | http://cgi.ebay.com/NINTENDO-WII-PRE-ORDER_W0QQitemZ320051296188QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:26.52 | graphyx | but the guy gave the money back. |
| 21:26.58 | Tene | harleypig: after the bolshevik uprising did she stop being jewish or stop being russian? |
| 21:27.13 | graphyx | whoops that isn't the right link. |
| 21:33.08 | findlay | what's WIT? |
| 21:33.39 | Tene | ~stab WIT |
| 21:33.46 | ibot | ACTION runs at WIT with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:33.46 | Tene | ~WIT |
| 21:34.02 | findlay | evidently nintendo makes WIT |
| 21:35.05 | maquis | ~spell egregiously |
| 21:35.18 | findlay | ~spell maquis |
| 21:35.19 | maquis | hmmm... it looks wrong |
| 21:35.32 | maquis | ibot: you're stupid |
| 21:35.34 | ibot | ACTION scratches his head |
| 21:35.58 | findlay | can I call you marquise? |
| 21:37.08 | Sargun | what about nire |
| 21:37.21 | ^Migs^ | I like maxi's |
| 21:37.33 | ^Migs^ | or Magus's |
| 21:39.14 | findlay | Magus is already taken. I've talked to him before |
| 22:07.36 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (n=bonez@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:10.58 | bonez39 | ping reply from maquis: 0.32 seconds |
| 22:11.08 | Tene | ibot: ping maquis |
| 22:11.09 | ibot | pong maquis |
| 22:11.13 | Tene | ibot: bonez39 maquis |
| 22:11.21 | bonez39 | eh? |
| 22:11.45 | Tene | ibot: bonez39 $target is <action> gives $target a chiropractic "adjustment" |
| 22:11.46 | ibot | Tene: okay |
| 22:12.03 | Sargun | ~bonez |
| 22:12.20 | Sargun | bonez39, Is it bone - ez or bones? |
| 22:13.03 | Sargun | or bon - ez |
| 22:13.05 | bonez39 | well, bonez |
| 22:13.09 | bonez39 | that's the nickname.... |
| 22:13.29 | Sargun | How is your VoIP project going? |
| 22:13.40 | bonez39 | it's sort of on hold at the moment.... |
| 22:13.57 | Sargun | Lack of funds? |
| 22:13.59 | Sargun | or time? |
| 22:14.46 | bonez39 | Sargun, cost is a factor with it...I need to get a new server machine...to run the calls....and i am torn about whether to run it here, or at home, I am thinking at work here would be better...and it would operate better over cable than DSL..so I have to justify the $95 per month for business cable account to Comcast.... |
| 22:14.54 | bonez39 | time I have....less funds..I have.. |
| 22:15.16 | bonez39 | I need to get a better email server set up first...so I am hacking at that for now.... |
| 22:15.19 | Sargun | What about the colocation/VPS? |
| 22:17.52 | findlay | ~flame |
| 22:17.53 | ibot | i heard flame is something people do on newsgroups or irc or when they yell at each other |
| 22:18.13 | findlay | ibot: is that what you heard? |
| 22:19.38 | Tene | ~sargun bonez39 |
| 22:19.40 | ibot | nothing |
| 22:20.08 | Tene | ibot: no, sargun $target is <action> tries to sell a VPS to $target. |
| 22:20.09 | ibot | okay, Tene |
| 22:20.16 | Tene | ~sargun bonez39 |
| 22:20.17 | ibot | ACTION tries to sell a VPS to bonez39. |
| 22:20.40 | Sargun | ibot, no sargun $target is go away Tene |
| 22:20.41 | ibot | okay, Sargun |
| 22:23.34 | bonez39 | Sargun, I read an article recently about setting up a vps...sounds very cool |
| 22:23.59 | Sargun | VPSes are just like normal machines |
| 22:24.19 | bonez39 | right.... |
| 22:24.31 | Sargun | so, whats the difference? |
| 22:24.48 | Sargun | is that like a right, sure, uh-huh. or a right as in "Affirmative sir" |
| 22:25.15 | findlay | ~affirm Sargun |
| 22:26.04 | bonez39 | no, it was a right as in....yeah, I agree....very similar... |
| 22:26.13 | bonez39 | Affirmative sir... |
| 22:27.14 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (i=Migs@205.122.50.21) |
| 22:33.13 | atoponce | findlay: congrats on the first post! |
| 22:37.42 | findlay | heh, thanks |
| 22:37.57 | findlay | atoponce: do you know if there's going to be a Findlay Christmas party this year? |
| 22:38.24 | findlay | nick125: no! I'm addicted to ibot |
| 22:40.17 | atoponce | findlay: not sure. i'll talk with roslyn, and see what she says. seeing as though she bought a smaller house, i'm not sure if she can accomodate everyone |
| 22:40.34 | atoponce | but then again, she did last year or the year before, iirc |
| 22:41.00 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:41.17 | atoponce | i'll talk with her and let you know |
| 22:41.23 | findlay | ok |
| 22:50.58 | tristanbob_ | anyone know how to stop blogger from re-posting my articles when I make a minor edit? I wish this was an option. |
| 22:53.15 | Tene | ... this webpage was made with ms word. |
| 22:53.17 | Tene | >< |
| 22:57.20 | findlay | heh |
| 22:58.11 | findlay | atoponce: mainly I was wondering if you could help me upgrade the firmware in my hp-49g+ (-: |
| 22:59.10 | atoponce | still having trouble with that, eh? |
| 22:59.33 | atoponce | do you have a secure digital card? that's the easiest way |
| 22:59.57 | findlay | I actually don't have any SD cards |
| 23:00.11 | findlay | can you flash it over USB from Linux? |
| 23:01.03 | atoponce | not sure. i think you need the connectivity kit, which only runs on windows. maybe wine could work though |
| 23:03.46 | atoponce | findlay: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ca-31429-4&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=2020&product=351775&dlc=en |
| 23:03.56 | atoponce | ^-- for linux |
| 23:05.13 | atoponce | hmmm. but after looking closer, they don't have a connectivity kit binary for linux |
| 23:11.35 | findlay | I kind of wish I waited for the HP-50g |
| 23:11.48 | Tene | any IE-users around right now? |
| 23:12.06 | mrpull | Tene: i've got IE7 on this box |
| 23:12.14 | Tene | mind checking something out for me? |
| 23:12.41 | Tene | Someone asked me to poke at a webpage for him... it was built in MS Word... I want to know if it's rendering correctly. |
| 23:12.51 | mrpull | i'll give it a try |
| 23:13.34 | Tene | The email address should all be approximately left-aligned with each other. |
| 23:15.13 | mrpull | close |
| 23:15.57 | Tene | like, within a few pixels or so. |
| 23:16.04 | mrpull | should I withhold my other criticisms? |
| 23:16.14 | Tene | They'd be irrelevant. |
| 23:16.20 | mrpull | within a character or two. |
| 23:16.41 | mrpull | based on the whole look and feel of the page, i don't think it is too distracting |
| 23:16.50 | mrpull | or detrimental to the rest of the "design" |
| 23:16.59 | Tene | A few were a bit off, and he wanted me to push them into place. |
| 23:17.14 | Tene | I don't feel like spending a few horus trying to re-do it in a non-stupid structure. |
| 23:17.44 | Tene | so I hacked it as close as I could. |
| 23:17.44 | Tene | thanks |
| 23:18.53 | findlay | easy, just tidy -ac -wrap0 -asxhtml http://www.uglysite.com > prettysite.html and go from there (-: |
| 23:20.01 | Tene | Hehh. |
| 23:20.15 | levi | findlay: I think you're underestimating the sort of mess Word creates with its html output. :) |
| 23:23.47 | mrpull | Tene: one other thing to mention, there is a yellow pop up (similar to the one in FireFox) that says it wants to load a .DLL |
| 23:24.00 | mrpull | I didn't accept, and the page never fully loads or renders |
| 23:24.09 | Tene | eww. |
| 23:24.16 | synic | anyone happen to have a musepack file that wouldn't be illegal to send me? |
| 23:24.23 | synic | (for testing purposes) |
| 23:25.24 | mrpull | Tene: I know this is harsh, but there is no way i'd ever do business with them if that website was the first impression they made |
| 23:26.02 | mrpull | but I bet they'll get a lot of extra spam from having their email addresses easily spiderable |
| 23:26.15 | Tene | mrpull: they came to us to have us do some networking or something of the sort for them originally. This web work was just something else random they wanted done. |
| 23:26.37 | Tene | We really don't have much interaction with them beyond that. |
| 23:27.31 | mrpull | Tene: clarification, I'd take money from them.... wouldn't give them money |
| 23:27.52 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 23:27.56 | Tene | Yeah, probably. |
| 23:30.43 | findlay | I'll take money from anybody |
| 23:31.04 | mrpull | findlay: Microsoft? |
| 23:31.52 | findlay | BTW, for Christmas I want a Villaume viola |
| 23:32.00 | findlay | a Strad would do too |
| 23:32.27 | findlay | mrpull: Microsoft can keep their filthy money (-: |
| 23:33.19 | Tene | findlay: and what about their filthy violins? |
| 23:33.20 | mrpull | findlay: I knew you meant "most anybody" |
| 23:34.00 | findlay | no filthy violins here |
| 23:34.17 | levi | findlay: Maybe you shouldn't speak so poorly of Microsoft. They could actually afford to buy you the violin you want. :P |
| 23:34.46 | findlay | hm, I've heard the devil make simmilar offers before (-: |
| 23:36.25 | levi | Well, certainly no one here is going to buy it for you. |
| 23:37.12 | findlay | well, I tried |
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| 23:47.52 | redbeard2 | anyone here familiar with the linksys wrt54gl? |
| 23:59.01 | mrpull | redbeard2: i have some experience |