| 00:00.09 | Robertar | love to |
| 00:01.32 | Robertar | http://pastebin.com/825364 |
| 00:03.55 | Robertar | I choose USB from the BIOS's boot menu. Would it be ordering the drives in a different order than when I choose "First Hard Drive"? Maybe that's why it's getting messed up? |
| 00:06.06 | maquis | hmmm... i'm somewhat suspicious of a usb drive being (hd1,1)... but at the same time, i'm not certain how it works if grub is actually running on that drive... |
| 00:07.16 | Robertar | Yeah, it's kind of confusing |
| 00:08.41 | Robertar | however, at least when booted from the grub installed on the internal HD, hd1,1 would be correct. If I enter grub, and type boot (hd1,<tab><tab> output is such: grub> boot (hd1, |
| 00:08.41 | Robertar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.41 | Robertar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.41 | Robertar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.41 | Robertar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.42 | Robertar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.09 | Robertar | What would happen if I just dd'd the first 512 bytes from my internal HD's MBR to the external's MBR? |
| 00:09.48 | maquis | my guess is that the hd1 issue is something to look into |
| 00:11.05 | maquis | also, which partition is /boot? |
| 00:11.08 | Robertar | I'd guess that if I were able to run grub-install with a reference point of booting from the USB device, it would probably work |
| 00:11.10 | maquis | is it the 1st or 2nd? |
| 00:11.23 | Robertar | 2nd |
| 00:11.33 | maquis | ok... then that part is ok |
| 00:11.51 | Robertar | . /dev/sda2 |
| 00:23.43 | Robertar | I'm pretty sure now that the problem is that when booting to the grub on the internal HD, the internal is named hd0, but when booting to the grub on the USB, the USB is hd0. Is there a way to tell grub-install to swap hd0 and hd1? |
| 00:26.16 | mrpull | isnt there a way to use volume labels to abstract the device names? probably not at the grub level. |
| 00:27.01 | Robertar | I don't think there is at grub level |
| 00:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You know what I want web 3.0 to be? |
| 00:31.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Tagging cars in traffic. |
| 00:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "idrive20under" for example |
| 00:32.44 | macnewbold | haha |
| 00:32.57 | macnewbold | someone's had a bad experience lately, I guess? |
| 00:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I drive all day every day |
| 00:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 00:33.21 | macnewbold | oh, yeah, then I'm sure you've seen just about everything |
| 00:33.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a "lately" thing. It's an "always" thing |
| 00:33.38 | macnewbold | like the "myBlindSpotIsADeathTrap" people |
| 00:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Good crap yes |
| 00:33.59 | macnewbold | and the "yesMyPhoneCallIsMoreImportantThanMyDriving" |
| 00:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "busytexting" |
| 00:34.23 | macnewbold | "puttingOnMyPantyhose" lady |
| 00:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you get the idea |
| 00:34.36 | macnewbold | oh yeah |
| 00:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I would give the world to have that feature |
| 00:34.45 | macnewbold | my sister got rearended at a stop sign the other day, |
| 00:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | And to attach it to a driver, not a car |
| 00:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The same happened to me about two months ago |
| 00:35.07 | macnewbold | and the lady who had bumped her (luckily no injuries or major damage, just a paint scrape) said |
| 00:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, I was in a 15 passenger van that is pretty much a small tank |
| 00:35.18 | macnewbold | "Well if you wouldn't have stopped I wouldn't have hit you" |
| 00:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Our bumper = *barely* bent |
| 00:35.34 | macnewbold | or maybe it was "Well if you would have kept going I wouldn't have hit you" |
| 00:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The front half of his truck = flat |
| 00:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:35.42 | macnewbold | hah |
| 00:35.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, she wasn't lying! |
| 00:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But seriously.. "myblindspotisadeathtrap", "busytexting"... |
| 00:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | What else? |
| 00:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, "idrive20under", "idrive20over" |
| 00:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And obvious variations |
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| 00:37.57 | herlo | ~time |
| 00:38.00 | ibot | methinks time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2006.11.16 0:38:00 GMT |
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| 00:38.17 | herlo | -time |
| 00:38.19 | macnewbold | in Argentina where I lived for a couple of years, the right of way law was widely believed to be "the larger vehicle has the right of way" |
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| 00:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. |
| 00:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd love to drive my van down there. |
| 00:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's quite literally a small tank. |
| 00:38.49 | herlo | ~date |
| 00:38.50 | ibot | It is now 2006.11.16 0:38:50 GMT |
| 00:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, "toooldtobeinthislane" |
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| 00:45.00 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Obviously, it'd have to work both ways... but I'd much rather have "idrive20over" than "idrive20under" |
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| 01:06.19 | scott | Alright, this is going to sound like an advertisement, and it is, but I'm just a user: dabbledb.com is a really cool web app for creating database driven web apps. |
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| 01:45.09 | vontrapp | ~convert 350 cc to grams |
| 01:45.28 | vontrapp | ~convert 350 cc water to grams |
| 01:45.43 | vontrapp | convert 1.5 cups to grams |
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| 01:46.06 | vontrapp | ~convert 1.5 cups to ounces |
| 01:46.20 | vontrapp | ~convert 1.5 cups to fluid ounces |
| 01:46.27 | vontrapp | stupid bot |
| 01:46.35 | vontrapp | ~convert 1.5 cups to oz |
| 01:47.14 | vontrapp | ~convert 1.5 cups to ml |
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| 02:25.36 | graphyx | anyone want to play with awstats with me? |
| 02:36.42 | nick125 | mmm...awstats |
| 02:41.50 | nick125 | I truely have to have the worst luck with ISPs |
| 02:42.25 | nick125 | I find an ISP with decent support, then, they are going to stop serving NM! |
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| 02:56.28 | Jayce | demanding, aint ya? :-p |
| 02:57.36 | emcnabb | Jayce: way to scare him away |
| 02:57.44 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 02:57.54 | emcnabb | levi_home: good evening |
| 02:57.55 | Jayce | emcnabb, call it a public service |
| 02:58.17 | emcnabb | Jayce: I have many opportunities for public service for you! |
| 03:00.18 | emcnabb | Jayce: where's the ^ in your nick? |
| 03:00.53 | Jayce | on my work box |
| 03:00.59 | Jayce | on the laptop at home atm |
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| 03:25.27 | bonez41 | I have a new color laser printer...well, my wife does...hooked up at home to hub...networked to the net, not through a local pc... |
| 03:25.36 | bonez41 | is it possible to send print jobs to this printer from outside....i.e., from my office, over the net? |
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| 03:26.29 | bonez41 | for example, I know the IP address assigned to the printer....if I combine that with my outside IP address....would that work? |
| 03:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It sure is, assuming the printer supports it |
| 03:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Is :9100/tcp open? |
| 03:26.52 | bonez41 | ScytheBlade1, it's a brand new 2605dn...... |
| 03:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | bonez39, doesn't mean much :) |
| 03:27.10 | bonez41 | ah, that's the question..I'll need to open 9100 and forward it to the printer, right? |
| 03:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Or :631/tcp, depending |
| 03:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Check which one is open |
| 03:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | :631 is IPP, or "Internet Printing Protocol" |
| 03:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | :9100 is pretty much a raw interface over TCP/IP |
| 03:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Both will work fine |
| 03:29.15 | bonez41 | how do I check which is open? |
| 03:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | nmap is good at that |
| 03:31.40 | bonez41 | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 03:31.41 | bonez41 | 9100/tcp closed jetdirect |
| 03:31.46 | bonez41 | that's one and for 631, I get |
| 03:31.55 | bonez41 | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 03:31.55 | bonez41 | 631/tcp open ipp |
| 03:32.07 | bonez41 | but that's cause I haven't opened or forwarded port 9100 yet |
| 03:32.53 | bonez41 | how long should it take to 'open' once i have told the router to forward port 9100? |
| 03:34.55 | nick125 | it depends on the router |
| 03:35.31 | bonez41 | ok, finally I connected out with ssh to office, and now nmap -p 9100 my.ip.at.home says 9100 is open with jetdirect |
| 03:35.59 | bonez41 | so the question then, is if I am at work, and want to send a job to this printer...how do I route it here instead of to the local print queue? |
| 03:36.24 | nick125 | if you want to check if its open and working, do this: telnet <ip> 9100, enter some random junk, and press ctrl-], and, it should print out a page |
| 03:36.36 | bonez41 | and, is there a way to password protect print jobs, so that some smart arse can't send War and Peace to my printer and exhaust the paper and toner? |
| 03:37.33 | nick125 | if you have a machine with iptables, put the printer behind it, and, only open that port if it connects from a certain IP |
| 03:37.36 | bonez41 | nick125, that did it...s.ent junk to the printer |
| 03:38.24 | bonez41 | nick125, ok, that begs the question, whether i have iptables set up..how do I check...I am not sure |
| 03:38.54 | nick125 | if you want me to check if someone else can print, PM me the IP |
| 03:39.13 | bonez41 | oh, the printing of random junk worked..... |
| 03:39.31 | bonez41 | now I want to hide the printer...so I can avoid having someone print junk to it |
| 03:39.44 | nick125 | its possible someone could port scan you and find it |
| 03:39.48 | tensai | redbeard1: did you see you got Make'd? |
| 03:40.10 | tensai | (apologies if I'm late to the story) |
| 03:40.55 | bonez41 | nick125, that's what I am concerned about |
| 03:41.12 | bonez41 | nick125, I see that I have iptables..but nothing is set up... |
| 03:41.20 | nick125 | bonez41: one option would be to iptables it to only a few IPs can access it |
| 03:41.36 | bonez41 | ok, I have just one IP at work, that I want to access it.... |
| 03:41.53 | nick125 | or, another option would be to setup a cups server, and, open that up, and, you can password that IIR |
| 03:42.12 | bonez41 | correctly |
| 03:42.16 | bonez41 | iirc, right? |
| 03:42.17 | nick125 | IIRC |
| 03:42.18 | nick125 | yeah |
| 03:42.29 | bonez41 | I'd like to figure out iptables... |
| 03:46.41 | nick125 | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --sport 9100 -s <ip> -j ACCEPT |
| 03:46.42 | nick125 | I think |
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| 03:46.52 | elg | fancy that. I'm looking at the ward page online and it will let me download the ward list as a csv |
| 03:49.38 | bonez41 | nick125, hwere's a question though....this printer does not hook into my linux box here...the one to which port 22 is forwarded..print jobs come to it from the router....either from anther machine, or from the internet... |
| 03:50.07 | nick125 | that might be an issue |
| 03:50.14 | bonez41 | elg, that's cool....I am needing to d/l my elders quorum list..I bet if I log on my ward site I can do that.... |
| 03:50.23 | nick125 | one thing you could do is SSH port tunneling |
| 03:54.36 | bonez41 | I found some cool howtos on iptable set up... |
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| 03:55.40 | bonez41 | nick125, thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 03:59.44 | maquis-fiance | ~weather |
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| 04:17.36 | Tene | yay! |
| 04:29.12 | mheath | Has anyone else noticed that, despite being noted as a troublesome "little people" (in the words of Lawrence of Arabia), the arabic peoples have remained one of the biggest forces in international events? |
| 04:31.24 | mheath | In everything from the assination of Arch-Duke Ferdinand (some members of the Black Hand were arabic) to their influence in current US foreign relations policy |
| 04:31.57 | mheath | I'm not trying to claim a conspiracy, just noting that to me it seems like the Arabic peoples have been and remain a world superpower, just not in the direct western definition we apply to that term. |
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| 04:48.51 | atoponce | ~blame ted stevens |
| 04:48.53 | ibot | ACTION blames ted stevens (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:50.58 | tensai | elg: http://www.realbakingwithrose.com/2006/11/holy_bread.html |
| 04:55.11 | Tene | "The TSA has raised the threat level. Something something increased restrictions something liquids three-something bottles something talk to monsterpeople about medications." |
| 04:55.24 | Tene | Announced on the PA system in the phoenix airport. |
| 04:56.27 | tensai | Tene: I can translate. "The TSA doesn't know jack squat about security and is just spinning a color wheel" |
| 04:57.46 | mheath | This is stupid |
| 04:58.13 | mheath | Some people removed a wikipedia tag calling for improvement to an article (inappropriate tone tag) because it's "being worked on" |
| 04:58.25 | Tene | ??? |
| 04:58.27 | Tene | weird |
| 04:58.30 | mheath | I get the impression that didn't like the tag being there, and were trying to justify removing it |
| 04:58.59 | mheath | So they say Ok, I'm going to remove it, because we're working on it |
| 04:59.31 | mheath | The point of those tags is to 1) alert OTHER people that the page needs improvement as long as it still does, and 2) auto add the page to central 'needs improvement' list so other people can work on them |
| 05:00.34 | mheath | Its a show about a radio show |
| 05:00.46 | mheath | And the radio show complained on the air about people making changes (like mine) to their article |
| 05:00.59 | mheath | So they told are their listeners to go complain on the talk page and 'fix' things |
| 05:01.12 | mheath | So theres been a ton of really stupid edits by people who are clueless about wikipedia policy |
| 05:01.15 | atoponce | it is wikipedia... |
| 05:01.15 | Tene | what did you change about it? |
| 05:03.17 | mheath | Tene, rewrit a few paragraphs to remove a lot of inline satire and jokes |
| 05:03.32 | mheath | I wanted to get more work done |
| 05:03.50 | atoponce | what's the article? |
| 05:04.35 | Tene | atoponce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo |
| 05:05.37 | atoponce | really? |
| 05:05.48 | Tene | atoponce: no, not really. |
| 05:06.14 | atoponce | bummer |
| 05:06.15 | atoponce | :-)» |
| 05:06.15 | mheath | atoponce, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_From_hell |
| 05:06.17 | mheath | erm |
| 05:06.18 | mheath | atoponce, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_From_Hell |
| 05:08.50 | atoponce | i'm lost |
| 05:09.49 | Tene | '... has recently purchased a son, naming him "Optimus Prime"...' |
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| 05:11.08 | mheath | Tene, see, its that of joking crap that I didn't like |
| 05:11.13 | mheath | This is supposed to be an encylopedia article |
| 05:11.14 | Tene | "Also, in my opinion, Gina is pretty sexy too. ~THE Rob" |
| 05:11.16 | Tene | yeah |
| 05:11.26 | atoponce | haha |
| 05:11.26 | mheath | Thats what I added the "Innapropriate Tone" tag |
| 05:11.38 | atoponce | it fits the show i think |
| 05:11.40 | mheath | And thats why it pisses me off that someone removed it with no one working on removing all that junk |
| 05:11.53 | mheath | atoponce, It fits the show, but its not appropriate for an encylopedia article about the show |
| 05:11.59 | mheath | Have a quotes section if you must! |
| 05:12.18 | atoponce | again, though, it *is* wikipedia... |
| 05:22.38 | atoponce | heh |
| 05:23.12 | atoponce | just read the article, and i think the content style is perfect |
| 05:23.37 | atoponce | it's very "encyclopedic", but has a flair. |
| 05:23.45 | Tene | including "purchased a son and named him Optimus Prime"? |
| 05:24.32 | atoponce | yeah. what's wrong with that? if it's a blatant lie, then it should be removed, otherwise, i don't see the harm |
| 05:24.51 | Tene | But... that *is* a lie... |
| 05:24.59 | Tene | humans aren't purchased in the US... |
| 05:25.18 | atoponce | ahh. then in that case, it should be taken off. but if it's the tone that's offensive, then i don't get it |
| 05:26.04 | Tene | He objects to stating things that aren't true but are claimed to be true on the show as fact, I believe. |
| 05:26.42 | Tene | also the "She's hot. ~randomuser" is pretty bad... |
| 05:27.24 | atoponce | i don't see that in the article |
| 05:27.30 | Tene | 22:11 < Tene> "Also, in my opinion, Gina is pretty sexy too. ~THE Rob" |
| 05:28.12 | atoponce | ahh |
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| 05:32.52 | Tene | Yay, piracy at the airport! |
| 05:33.17 | Tene | Do you suppose downloading a TV show makes me a terrorist? |
| 05:37.38 | atoponce | yeah. they won't let you on airplanes now |
| 05:37.59 | atoponce | all because you needed the latest "golden girls" episode |
| 05:38.01 | atoponce | :-)» |
| 05:39.02 | Tene | Firefly, actually, but... |
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| 05:55.05 | Tene | Heh. |
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| 06:13.42 | mheath | Tene, take a look at my revised version of that Radio From Hell article |
| 06:14.04 | mheath | Mainly the opening sections and the Kerry Jackson section |
| 06:14.23 | mheath | Also added an "Awards" section and a "Humor from the Show" section |
| 06:14.58 | lars-ut | mheath: link? |
| 06:15.20 | mheath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_From_Hell |
| 06:15.52 | mheath | Theres been a lot of controversy over that article, including discussions on the show, stemming from my edits (and the edits of a few other people) |
| 06:16.05 | mheath | I'm in the process of revising it extensively |
| 06:18.03 | lars-ut | controversy from whom? |
| 06:19.00 | mheath | lars-ut, From them not liking that people said the article needed a lot of improvement and refinement. |
| 06:19.45 | mheath | IE, they announced on their radio show, Someone said our wikipedia article isn't perfect! They said it needed changes! All of you listeners, go comment on the talk page! |
| 06:20.21 | mheath | Heh, the talk page isn't too bad |
| 06:20.28 | mheath | Theres been a lot of page vandalism and a lot of stupid edits, though |
| 06:23.31 | lars-ut | Wikipedia - the place to go if you want to let go of ego |
| 06:24.22 | lars-ut | Most moderator's comments seem so subjective while claiming objectivity |
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| 06:38.56 | lars-ut | maquis_ - engaged? |
| 06:42.31 | mheath | lars-ut, old news :P |
| 06:43.15 | lars-ut | no to me. |
| 06:43.41 | lars-ut | Congrats, maquis & maquis-fiance! |
| 06:47.09 | lars-ut | Boa noite. |
| 07:11.58 | mheath | Goodnight. |
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| 11:10.27 | bonez41 | anyone up at this hour? |
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| 13:01.09 | calvarez | me! |
| 13:01.21 | calvarez | hmm |
| 13:01.30 | calvarez | nvm |
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| 13:56.44 | calvarez | ROFL! The Pokemon kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0uEQZDHiaM |
| 13:56.49 | calvarez | hilarious |
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| 14:36.11 | elg | I feel like we have a weekly game show. "Welcome back to 'Java in the Real World' where our contestants try to provide concrete examples to Bryan Sant about how Java really does have issues." |
| 14:57.44 | redbeard1 | java has issues? |
| 14:57.59 | elg | ~java redbeard1 |
| 14:58.00 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: redbeard1 |
| 14:58.00 | redbeard1 | ~migs elg |
| 14:58.01 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 14:58.03 | graphyx | only f you use it. |
| 14:58.27 | graphyx | elg won. |
| 14:58.32 | redbeard1 | yeah he did |
| 14:58.45 | redbeard1 | elg: you may win this time! but i'll be back! |
| 14:58.45 | elg | quickdraw moose, they call me |
| 14:59.00 | graphyx | "Nothing up my sleave.. This time for sure.." |
| 14:59.06 | redbeard1 | so, you guys know anything about this yepic thing that jordy was talking about? |
| 14:59.29 | graphyx | yepic jordy? |
| 14:59.41 | redbeard1 | on openclue |
| 14:59.46 | graphyx | ah ok. |
| 15:00.03 | emcnabb | who says there's no such thing as a free lunch? | sed 's/lunch/breakfast/' |
| 15:00.04 | emcnabb | yummy |
| 15:00.25 | redbeard1 | i saw something very, very interesting on yepic, and i want to research more about it before i say anything |
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| 15:03.43 | elg | what's yepic? |
| 15:03.48 | ^Migs^ | omg, did anyone by any chance see Glenn Beck's "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda" last night? |
| 15:03.56 | ^Migs^ | O |
| 15:04.08 | redbeard1 | elg: a site to sell your blog articles |
| 15:04.24 | elg | nobody would buy my blog articles |
| 15:04.31 | elg | ^Migs^: sounds like you did. you're an anybody |
| 15:04.38 | ^Migs^ | Someone put it up on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=exposed+extremist+agenda |
| 15:04.41 | ^Migs^ | anybody ELSE |
| 15:04.55 | ^Migs^ | it's quite chilling, imo |
| 15:05.42 | ^Migs^ | his point was to show stuff that the media here in the U.S. simply DOESN'T show, about how extremist propaganda is portrayed all over Islamic TV |
| 15:05.45 | elg | which extremists? |
| 15:05.57 | ^Migs^ | Islamic extremists |
| 15:06.26 | elg | about how we eat babies? |
| 15:06.40 | ^Migs^ | or worse :( |
| 15:06.50 | elg | it gets worse? |
| 15:07.01 | emcnabb | yum, babies |
| 15:07.04 | ^Migs^ | he showed a clip from an Iranian(?) day-time soap opera in which Israelis rip out the eyes of a Muslim girl |
| 15:08.22 | ^Migs^ | Something about seeing a multitude of thousands screaming "DEATH TO ISRAEL! DEATH TO AMERICA!" doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzy feelings. |
| 15:08.52 | ^Migs^ | anyway, I thought it was interesting enough to deserve mention |
| 15:09.45 | graphyx | ^Migs^: blog it and it will show up on UT. |
| 15:09.54 | graphyx | openclue I mean. |
| 15:10.06 | ^Migs^ | no, I'll just digg it |
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| 15:10.22 | ^Migs^ | except I'm not interested in enough in signing up with an account |
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| 15:22.11 | ^Migs^ | http://bangkokpost.net/151106_Database/15Nov2006_data001.php |
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| 16:16.13 | levi | Ack, why did they rename all the xorg packages in edgy? |
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| 16:22.39 | redbeard1 | syn, don't know |
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| 16:32.31 | graphyx | redbeard1: You've got your tcp handshake backwards. |
| 16:34.11 | maquis | graphyx: he got confused by the random ack |
| 16:35.01 | maquis | either that or the syn and ack got reordered on their way to #utah :) |
| 16:35.37 | graphyx | 6 minute jitter... Would hate to have to rely on that network. |
| 16:36.07 | redbeard1 | graphyx: sorry, i was ucing CP/IP |
| 16:36.16 | graphyx | CP/IP? |
| 16:36.41 | maquis | carrier-pigeons? |
| 16:36.42 | jsmith | TCP over ICMP over UDP over Carrier Pigeon? |
| 16:36.43 | redbeard1 | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 16:36.59 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 16:37.00 | jsmith | Wouldn't that be IP/CP? |
| 16:37.14 | jsmith | Unless you're sending carrier pigeons over IP... |
| 16:37.29 | redbeard1 | jsmith: that would certainly explain the lag |
| 16:37.46 | jsmith | Probably have a good deal of jitter as well... |
| 16:37.54 | graphyx | I keep trying to fax the cat, but all the other guy is getting is a picture of it? |
| 16:38.31 | graphyx | However I can do this for you. I can fax you a blank sheet of paper.. |
| 16:39.10 | jsmith | graphyx: No, you've got it all wrong. You take a picture of a PlayStation 3, and then sell the *picture* on eBay. |
| 16:39.42 | graphyx | That reminds of one of the Mr. Bean episodes. |
| 16:39.52 | redbeard1 | jsmith: even better, sell a faxed copy of the picture. require the buyer to have their own fax machine to receive. |
| 16:39.52 | graphyx | Where he and his girl friend are shopping. |
| 16:40.06 | graphyx | And she sees a picture of a guy giving a girl an engagement ring and points to it. |
| 16:40.21 | graphyx | So later he gives her that picture as a Christmas present. |
| 16:40.31 | jsmith | Exactly.... |
| 16:40.36 | graphyx | And afterwards he pulls out a small ring box. |
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| 16:40.49 | graphyx | And she gets excited. And opens the box to find a picture eye hook to hang the picture on. |
| 16:41.35 | maquis | lol |
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| 16:41.43 | maquis | did he get slapped? |
| 16:41.48 | graphyx | no. |
| 16:42.00 | graphyx | It's Mr. Bean. not slapstick humor. |
| 17:21.10 | mheath | Hmm. Am I right in thinking its unjustified for someone to criticize an anonymous user on wikipedia for making major edits without logging in, if the anonymous user is writing valid justifications for the edits on the talk page of the article in question? |
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| 17:23.49 | ^Migs^ | no one has to be logged in to make ANY edits on wikipedia |
| 17:24.10 | ^Migs^ | they don't even need to be justify it on the talk page |
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| 17:24.43 | ^Migs^ | anyone who thinks otherwise misses the underlying concept of wikipedia, and is imposing some sort of moralistic value and/or ethical responsibility on it that simply doesn't exist |
| 17:27.20 | mheath | I'm done messing with this page. |
| 17:27.43 | mheath | I find it really rediculous that I can tune in on the radio and here my valid editing being criticized on a live radio show |
| 17:28.14 | mheath | And really frustrating that the radio is encouraging other people to come and make edits, most of which are really stupid and oblivious to wikipedia policies, ettiquete, and procedures. |
| 17:28.26 | mheath | And syntax. |
| 17:28.38 | mrpull | mheath: what radio show? |
| 17:29.01 | ^Migs^ | and what page? |
| 17:29.02 | mheath | mrpull: Radio From Hell on x96. They've been criticizing any edits to their Wikipedia entry over the last couple of days. |
| 17:29.13 | mheath | ^Migs^, http://en.wikipedia.org/Radio_From_Hell |
| 17:29.13 | ^Migs^ | haha, wtf |
| 17:29.46 | mrpull | heh. they used to be worth listening too... now it just seems like they bitch all morning |
| 17:29.59 | ^Migs^ | I like Mick & Alan |
| 17:30.10 | ^Migs^ | what specifically are you trying to edit? |
| 17:30.31 | mheath | ^Migs^, They've got (or had; a lot of work has been done, finally, to remove them) a TON of inline jokes |
| 17:30.56 | mheath | Satirical comments in the middle of the article. Look at the Bill Allred section - talking about how he's attacked by squirells while in college |
| 17:31.20 | mheath | Just a bunch of comedy crap thats not appropriate for being in the middle of an encyclopedia article. |
| 17:31.52 | emcnabb | mheath: they're talking about you on the radio? |
| 17:32.11 | ^Migs^ | this is very, very important stuff, and I'm glad you've picked up the gauntlet on this. The integrity of wikipedia must be maintained. |
| 17:32.15 | mheath | emcnabb, not me specifically (they might have talked about me specifically; I sent them an e-mail, but wasn't listening when they may have discussed it) |
| 17:32.32 | mheath | But the edits that me and a few other people have made. |
| 17:32.48 | mheath | ^Migs^, haha, thats why I'm going to stop working on this page |
| 17:32.50 | mheath | Its rediculous |
| 17:33.02 | mheath | It started as a tiny little bid of cleanup work |
| 17:33.07 | mheath | I wasn't too concerned, and it was minor |
| 17:33.13 | mheath | And now it's been blown into this giant controversy |
| 17:33.17 | mheath | It's rediculous |
| 17:33.52 | emcnabb | that is ridiculous |
| 17:34.08 | ^Migs^ | ya rudiculous |
| 17:34.37 | mheath | Time to leave for work. Be back later. |
| 17:43.25 | vontrapp | why does ooffice insist on selecting the printer that _isn't_ the default by default when i print? |
| 17:43.57 | vontrapp | and also, what would cause ooffice spell check to not work? missing aspell libraries? |
| 17:50.37 | emcnabb | why Scala? |
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| 17:52.05 | levi | It's an interesting fusion of functional and object-oriented programming. |
| 17:53.07 | elg | emcnabb: why not scala? |
| 17:54.07 | levi | It has pattern matching, partial function application, and most things are objects and can be extended through OO features, too. |
| 17:55.18 | elg | I hate colds |
| 17:55.33 | levi | Yuck. |
| 17:56.44 | emcnabb | elg: I guess I'm always a bit skeptical when I hear about a new (to me) language - what does it have to offer over what I currently use |
| 17:57.20 | elg | emcnabb: sure, but this is levi. He feeds off new and exotic languages like a space-dwelling alien from star trek feeds off the enterprise's impules engines |
| 17:57.51 | levi | emcnabb: I'm not claiming you should learn and use it. I'm not even claiming I'm going to use it. I'm just learning about it. |
| 17:58.03 | levi | It's interesting! |
| 17:59.26 | levi | It compiles down to Java bytecodes, and there's a .net backend as well that's currently being rewritten. |
| 17:59.36 | levi | So you have access to the standard libraries on those systems. |
| 18:00.23 | levi | And it also has similar efficiency as Java code. |
| 18:00.32 | levi | Despite being far more expressive. |
| 18:02.52 | levi | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553859542692229789 |
| 18:07.09 | levi | and the slides that go with it: http://lamp.epfl.ch/~odersky/talks/google06.pdf |
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| 18:14.04 | findlay | how do I reprocess mail.aliases for postgres? |
| 18:14.23 | findlay | s/postgres/postfix/ |
| 18:14.51 | jsmith | postmap |
| 18:15.03 | jsmith | postmap /path/to/mail.aliases |
| 18:15.04 | jsmith | I think |
| 18:16.57 | findlay | postalias was what I was looking for |
| 18:21.33 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 18:24.21 | findlay | ~shoot maquis |
| 18:24.27 | ibot | ACTION shoots maquis in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 18:24.47 | findlay | ibot: the frozen turkey cannon one is boring |
| 18:24.49 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 18:25.28 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:25.32 | macnewbold | ~the frozen turkey cannon one |
| 18:25.41 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:25.47 | macnewbold | wait for it... |
| 18:25.48 | findlay | no definite article |
| 18:25.55 | macnewbold | ~frozen turkey cannon one |
| 18:25.56 | ibot | hmm... frozen turkey cannon one is boring |
| 18:26.05 | macnewbold | ~botsnack |
| 18:26.05 | ibot | macnewbold: aw, gee |
| 18:28.45 | tensai | ~play dead |
| 18:28.46 | ibot | why don't you tensai |
| 18:31.53 | elg | our ward's second counselor likes to fry his turkey |
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| 18:32.31 | tensai | I've heard deep fried turkey is delicious. I've had deep fried steak and it was awesome. |
| 18:32.51 | levi | I fear deep-fried steak. |
| 18:32.59 | elg | after watching the recent good eats I think I'll stay away, or show up after the frying |
| 18:33.03 | tensai | http://www.ul.com/consumers/turkeys.html |
| 18:33.03 | levi | I'd probably try the fried turkey, though. |
| 18:33.27 | SB1-Work | As good as deep-fried * sounds, I think I need a working bike before I gouge myself ;) |
| 18:33.41 | mrpull | tensai: I like my steak... dunno if I'd take a deep fried steak |
| 18:34.28 | tensai | vontrapp: you deliver chinese food? how about you bring me some kung pow chicken |
| 18:34.57 | levi | I need to swap chains on my bike road bike. |
| 18:35.59 | elg | I need someone to give me a motorcycle |
| 18:36.13 | vontrapp | elg: i still have your honda |
| 18:36.20 | vontrapp | it needs gasket work |
| 18:36.21 | levi | Hmm, I would recommend against upgrading to the new xorg packages in edgy for anyone who is using the binary nvidia driver, since they didn't update that one yet. |
| 18:36.40 | vontrapp | ~console levi |
| 18:36.42 | ibot | ACTION gives levi the consolation moose |
| 18:36.53 | vontrapp | i could probably use a new chain on my bike |
| 18:36.53 | elg | levi: new since installing edgy? or new since dapper? |
| 18:37.15 | levi | elg: New since installing edgy. |
| 18:37.16 | vontrapp | but what i really need is new brakes so that i can fit the new shifters that i already have on the handlebars |
| 18:37.19 | SB1-Work | I took mine to a local bike repair shop.. they said repairing it would exceed the cost of the bike |
| 18:37.28 | levi | elg: As in, the upgrade tool showed them today. |
| 18:37.41 | elg | odd. I'll watch out for it |
| 18:38.28 | vontrapp | SB1-Work: what does it need? |
| 18:38.48 | vontrapp | i'll fix your bike for a stick of laptop memory |
| 18:39.21 | SB1-Work | vontrapp, the right side handlebar brake is completly destroyed, two flat tires, and the wire that connects the left side brake to the brake itself is frayed |
| 18:39.39 | SB1-Work | Not to mention the chain is pretty much useless |
| 18:40.07 | vontrapp | brake is destroyed as in how? |
| 18:40.28 | SB1-Work | Erm, not the right side brake, the *gear shifter |
| 18:40.36 | SB1-Work | The plastic is broken in about three pieces |
| 18:40.40 | vontrapp | ah, that's like mine ;) |
| 18:40.51 | vontrapp | makes it hard to go up hills |
| 18:40.59 | SB1-Work | Very ;) |
| 18:41.03 | vontrapp | which basically describes going to byu |
| 18:41.09 | SB1-Work | So... I think I just need a new bike |
| 18:41.18 | SB1-Work | Considering it was one of those $100 department store bikes |
| 18:41.24 | vontrapp | chains can be revived usually |
| 18:41.43 | vontrapp | once it's actually broken once, however, it's pretty much gone |
| 18:42.14 | vontrapp | oh yeah, i wouldn't worry too much about fixing a department store bike :p |
| 18:42.55 | vontrapp | now i want to go get my nashbar catalog and peruse and wish i had money |
| 18:42.59 | vontrapp | good work, SB1-Work :( |
| 18:43.15 | SB1-Work | lol |
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| 18:59.36 | redbeard1 | ~rlart |
| 18:59.47 | redbeard1 | d'oh! |
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| 19:00.16 | redbeard1 | ~migs harleypig |
| 19:00.17 | ibot | ACTION forces harleypig to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 19:01.27 | harleypig | w00t |
| 19:01.41 | redbeard1 | harleypig: don't be the bunny |
| 19:02.01 | harleypig | Donnie! |
| 19:08.46 | graphyx | redbeard1: You having karma issues today? |
| 19:09.14 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i dug out an old broadway soundtrack last night that i hadn't listened to for a while |
| 19:12.33 | harleypig | His karma hit my dogma |
| 19:12.46 | harleypig | My dogma's just fine, but his karma is totaled. |
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| 19:15.41 | levi | $100 department store bikes are essentially disposable. The repair parts would quickly begin to overtake the purchase price if you did many of them. |
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| 19:49.11 | harleypig | wow. Anyone wanna see a scary error message? |
| 19:49.13 | harleypig | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure |
| 19:49.13 | harleypig | (EE) NVIDIA(0): that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and |
| 19:49.13 | harleypig | (EE) NVIDIA(0): that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly. |
| 19:49.13 | harleypig | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Please consult the NVIDIA README for details. |
| 19:50.23 | vontrapp | harleypig: upgraded xorg? |
| 19:52.31 | harleypig | Nope ... installed CS:Source |
| 19:53.40 | findlay | NVIDIA is evil |
| 19:54.46 | [Utah]tristanbob | ATi is worse |
| 19:55.28 | levi | What's CS:Source? |
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| 20:02.35 | mrpull | levi: likely Couter Strike: Source |
| 20:02.48 | levi | Ahh. |
| 20:03.04 | levi | Silly harleypig, trying to play games in Linux! |
| 20:03.22 | mrpull | IIRC, it is the original Counter Strike in the Half Life 2 engine |
| 20:03.57 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 20:06.25 | harleypig | levi: heh |
| 20:06.58 | harleypig | mrpull: No, the code was ported to the HL:S engine ... HL2 is a different animal. |
| 20:07.13 | harleypig | Which hasn't been released yet. |
| 20:09.59 | findlay | ~lart remote development |
| 20:11.10 | vontrapp | speaking of games, anyone know how to get unreal to be more sane with joystick axis? |
| 20:11.46 | findlay | man, this computer thing is stupid. I don't think I like computers anymore |
| 20:11.50 | *** join/#utah TheTiGuR (n=chris@206.251.255.218) |
| 20:11.53 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:11.54 | macnewbold | ~finday findlay |
| 20:12.06 | redbeard1 | ~perl findlay |
| 20:12.08 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 20:12.15 | redbeard1 | i love that one |
| 20:12.30 | findlay | silly computer |
| 20:12.49 | macnewbold | ~findlay findlay |
| 20:12.51 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
| 20:13.27 | *** join/#utah rsimpkins (n=rsimpkin@io.ryansimpkins.com) |
| 20:14.54 | redbeard1 | ~migs rsimpkins |
| 20:14.56 | ibot | ACTION forces rsimpkins to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 20:15.07 | vontrapp | ~vontrapp redbeard1 |
| 20:15.36 | spr | ~spr vontrapp |
| 20:17.31 | findlay | ~utah ^Migs^ |
| 20:17.34 | findlay | ~utah |
| 20:17.35 | ibot | well, utah is the place for fun |
| 20:17.47 | redbeard1 | utah _is_ the place for fun |
| 20:17.53 | redbeard1 | ibot: well said |
| 20:17.57 | findlay | I guess I'm here just for fun |
| 20:19.44 | redbeard1 | ~confuse findlay |
| 20:19.45 | ibot | no where are your pineapple tomorrow ? |
| 20:21.09 | findlay | ~confusion |
| 20:23.46 | findlay | ibot: confusion is a hybrid kind of nuclear fusion involving super transformations of tachyon arrays in subcyberspace the energy therefrom is great enough to power light sabers |
| 20:23.47 | ibot | ...but confusion is already something else... |
| 20:24.02 | findlay | ibot: confusion is also a hybrid kind of nuclear fusion involving super transformations of tachyon arrays in subcyberspace the energy therefrom is great enough to power light sabers |
| 20:24.04 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 20:24.59 | redbeard1 | ibot: what is confusion? |
| 20:25.01 | ibot | redbeard1: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:25.03 | tensai | redbeard1: I loved your cookie posts. I think we're going to try some for fhe. |
| 20:25.14 | redbeard1 | tensai: hey thanks man |
| 20:25.27 | findlay | ~confusion |
| 20:25.28 | redbeard1 | actually, in response to your earlier message, i did see the make posting |
| 20:25.47 | redbeard1 | ~make findlay |
| 20:25.48 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `findlay'. Stop. |
| 20:25.54 | tensai | I didn't read any blogs for a week so I was out of the loop a bit |
| 20:26.19 | redbeard1 | tensai: i have another design in mind that i hope to work on tonight |
| 20:31.59 | findlay | ~design redbeard1 |
| 20:32.34 | redbeard1 | ~whaleslap findlay |
| 20:32.35 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:33.40 | findlay | ~whalepunt cookies |
| 20:33.41 | ibot | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts cookies across the Atlantic |
| 20:39.50 | tensai | ~whaletube findlay |
| 20:40.05 | findlay | ~tubes tensai |
| 20:40.26 | tensai | ~maquis findlay |
| 20:40.28 | ibot | ACTION breaks findlay just by looking in findlay's direction |
| 20:44.12 | tensai | riddle me this, security experts. what's the point of a lock on just the bottom drawer of my desk? I can simply remove the drawer above and extract all the contents. |
| 20:45.50 | levi | There's no partition between the two? |
| 20:46.12 | levi | That's not a very good design. |
| 20:47.04 | findlay | tensai: you should read _Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman!_ |
| 20:47.33 | tensai | levi: indeed. but it's ok, because the lock can be turned without the key. |
| 20:49.17 | tensai | which must be how it came to be locked in the first place, because I don't have the key |
| 20:50.10 | tensai | findlay: whaddya know, my library even has it |
| 20:51.19 | findlay | which library? |
| 20:51.53 | tensai | idaho falls public |
| 20:52.47 | findlay | there's anecdotes in there about how Feynman cracked safes and stuff when he was at Los Alamos |
| 20:53.43 | vontrapp | -lart gmes |
| 20:53.49 | vontrapp | -lart gems |
| 20:54.20 | vontrapp | let's download the entire index to find the name of the package you want, and then download the entire index again to install it |
| 20:54.50 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:56.55 | mrpull | was there a GUI for C64's called GEM? |
| 20:58.52 | vontrapp | there's a vote counting program called GEM |
| 21:01.39 | atoponce | i think i may have asked this before, but is there a good perl ide for linux? aside from vim? |
| 21:01.59 | mrpull | actually... I was thinking of GEOS |
| 21:02.00 | findlay | emacs |
| 21:04.01 | tensai | activestate komodo? |
| 21:04.15 | mrpull | I like Komodo... but it isn't Free |
| 21:04.23 | mrpull | I think its worth buying |
| 21:04.41 | tensai | I've never tried it, but anything from activestate is at least worth inspection |
| 21:04.52 | findlay | what's the difference between class and id? |
| 21:05.45 | mrpull | last I looked, there was a beta for the newest version of Komodo available for free |
| 21:06.13 | mrpull | one of the new features was a vi mode |
| 21:08.33 | *** join/#utah Keighvin (n=ptomlins@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 21:08.34 | Keighvin | http://paultomlinson.net/images/offsite/pumpkin/ |
| 21:08.48 | Keighvin | I haven't resized them yet, so they're still fairly large. |
| 21:10.03 | mrpull | Keighvin: what is that sword? |
| 21:11.49 | Keighvin | That is the unfortunately named "Samurai 3000 Katana" |
| 21:12.02 | Keighvin | It is a fantasy themed style, unfortunately, but the balance is awesome. |
| 21:12.14 | Keighvin | The laser-edged 440c steel ain't too bad either. |
| 21:13.02 | mrpull | other than cutting pumpkins, what do you do with it? |
| 21:13.41 | Keighvin | I only use that one for tameshigeri, and on *very* rare occasion for Kata. |
| 21:14.02 | Keighvin | Most of the time that one's a show piece - too dangerous for casual practice. |
| 21:14.26 | Jayce^ | he also attacks innocent, upstanding coworkers with it |
| 21:14.46 | Keighvin | Jayce^: I take umbrage at the terms "innocent" and "upstanding." |
| 21:15.03 | Keighvin | And you know full-well I normally use other swords for that - you are not WORTHY of my *quality* steel. |
| 21:18.07 | mrpull | sword wielding is cool, but I cant help but think of that scene in Raiders of the Lost Arc |
| 21:18.07 | mrpull | Ark? |
| 21:18.08 | mrpull | im tired |
| 21:18.08 | findlay | ~tire mrpull- |
| 21:19.09 | graphyx | Ark. |
| 21:20.39 | mrpull | lost arc sounds like a poorly conceived parody |
| 21:23.21 | Keighvin | Works, thought. |
| 21:23.26 | Keighvin | s/thought/though/ |
| 21:23.46 | Keighvin | And, yeah - I highly doubt I'd ever actually go into "battle" with any kind of sword. |
| 21:24.40 | Keighvin | No delusions about that sort of thing. |
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| 22:12.34 | elg | sweet. this prof is so cool |
| 22:12.57 | vontrapp | did you sneeze on him? |
| 22:13.00 | bonez39 | does this happen to any of you...you get a call....incoming phone .. and its number shows on caller id...you answer, no one there. you call back..and it says...This number has been disconnected...and i think...THAT WAS FAST.. |
| 22:13.36 | Tene | bonez39: falsified callerid, possibly |
| 22:14.21 | nick125 | yeah |
| 22:14.24 | nick125 | its not hard to do |
| 22:14.45 | emcnabb | jsmith: RHEL5 Beta2 is on RHN |
| 22:14.48 | ^Migs^ | wtf? gEdit is displaying everything in Japanese! |
| 22:14.53 | nick125 | in asterisk, with most *decent* voip providers, you can set your own callerid |
| 22:14.57 | jsmith | emcnabb: Great -- now I just need an RHN account ;-) |
| 22:15.00 | nick125 | ^Migs^: ouch.. |
| 22:15.01 | emcnabb | haha |
| 22:15.07 | maquis | bonez39: i have seen that |
| 22:15.29 | tensai | anybody with a PRI line can set their own callerid |
| 22:15.34 | nick125 | tensai: yup |
| 22:16.05 | emcnabb | jsmith: it might |
| 22:16.16 | jsmith | tensai: Yes, as long as the LEC doesn't limit you -- which they often do. |
| 22:16.54 | nick125 | heck, I could go get a $10 voip account, and set the callerid on it |
| 22:19.03 | tensai | nick125: only if your voip provider's upstream can set it on their pstn connection |
| 22:19.16 | nick125 | tensai: most can |
| 22:20.02 | tensai | jsmith: yes, my company *is* a LEC, so I'm home free :) |
| 22:20.03 | jsmith | But again, many providers limit you to your own DIDs. |
| 22:20.17 | nick125 | jsmith: not really |
| 22:20.25 | jsmith | tensai: Yes, I know *you* can. And I can too... but I see a lot of people get mad when *they* can't. |
| 22:20.32 | jsmith | I'm just trying to say it's not a given. |
| 22:20.54 | nick125 | I've got an asterlink account, and I pay $2 a month + 0.02/minute, and, I can set my own caller ID |
| 22:21.06 | tensai | jsmith: understood |
| 22:21.54 | nick125 | I can go to telasip, pay $6 a month, and, I can set my own callerid |
| 22:22.06 | jsmith | nick125: Notice I said "many", not "most". |
| 22:22.24 | jsmith | Go try it with Vonage or SunRocket or BroadVoice, etc. |
| 22:22.46 | tensai | good luck trying anything fun with vonage |
| 22:22.53 | nick125 | those are consumer-grade voip proivder |
| 22:22.55 | nick125 | *providers |
| 22:23.14 | nick125 | most consumer-grade voip providers *wont* do it |
| 22:24.10 | nick125 | most reseller-grade/business-grade voip providers will |
| 22:25.01 | nick125 | tensai: heh, true |
| 22:26.40 | redbeard1 | who is bryan sant, anyway? |
| 22:26.49 | mheath | ~whois bryan sant |
| 22:27.18 | vontrapp | sounds familiar |
| 22:27.27 | elg | he's the defender of java |
| 22:27.37 | redbeard1 | poor soul |
| 22:27.42 | elg | against all that is evil |
| 22:27.57 | elg | he seems like a bright enough guy. works for the church in the FHD I think |
| 22:28.11 | scothoser | I just got a vision of someone with a giant coffee cup on their head, with a stir straw in their hand.. |
| 22:28.30 | redbeard1 | wait, what? really? FHD? |
| 22:28.38 | redbeard1 | those guys are in the same building as us |
| 22:29.07 | ^Migs^ | I'm getting tired of playing Oblivion. I wish I could be finished with that game so I could move onto something else |
| 22:29.53 | Tene | ^Migs^: retromud! |
| 22:34.36 | vontrapp | why do you have to finish it to move on? |
| 22:37.31 | elg | redbeard1: the family history dept guys are in your building? |
| 22:37.45 | elg | Last I knew they were up at slc. I used to see some on the bus from happy valley |
| 22:38.26 | elg | are you thinking of the mstar/web guys? some of them were at that campus. though we were in a different building |
| 22:38.57 | elg | they could easily have some FHD guys down there too though |
| 22:39.35 | ^Migs^ | I miss muds |
| 22:39.51 | redbeard1 | elg: some of them, yeah. like that hathaway guy. i just talked to him tho, and he says bryan sant is in slc. same dept, different projects. |
| 22:40.02 | ^Migs^ | I haven't played one in years |
| 22:40.06 | ^Migs^ | well, not seriously at least |
| 22:41.49 | scothoser | Does Shane use Java still? I thought he gave it up for Python.. |
| 22:42.06 | redbeard1 | he does both |
| 22:55.47 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, different part of the FHD |
| 22:55.56 | Jayce^ | Bryan is a friend, used to be a neighbor of mine |
| 22:56.25 | findlay | used to be a friend until he tunred to Java |
| 22:56.35 | Jayce^ | elg, they just moved some part of the FHD into the area next to us |
| 22:57.31 | redbeard1 | yeah, what used to be the american fork office is now the orem office |
| 22:58.43 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, yeah, bryan is in the main church office bldg |
| 22:58.50 | Jayce^ | is hathaway next door now? |
| 22:59.50 | redbeard1 | yup |
| 22:59.55 | redbeard1 | has been for 6 or 7 months |
| 22:59.57 | Jayce^ | that slacker |
| 23:19.47 | bonez39 | mail merge? any recommendations? I want to have something intelligent, so that the lists I enter aren't just for use with oowriter.... |
| 23:28.50 | macnewbold | OOo can use a database to get its lists too, or a spreasheet |
| 23:29.11 | macnewbold | I've used OOo for mail merge before, and it was pretty slick |
| 23:29.41 | nick125 | building this livecd, even on a core duo, is taking forever |
| 23:30.59 | maquis | why is it "grep"? why can't they use a command that i can type with 1 hand |
| 23:31.00 | maquis | ? |
| 23:32.14 | nick125 | you could make an alias |
| 23:32.19 | maquis | true |
| 23:32.33 | maquis | but there seems something wrong with aliasing that... |
| 23:33.25 | mrpull | maquis: i never really wondered why they called it grep |
| 23:33.52 | mrpull | Named after the qed/ed editor |
| 23:33.52 | mrpull | subcommand "g/re/p", where re stands for a regular expression, |
| 23:33.52 | mrpull | to Globally search for the Regular Expression and Print the |
| 23:33.52 | mrpull | lines containing matches to it. |
| 23:34.01 | mheath | This is stupid. I made an edit to a wikipedia page, realized I wasn't logged in, then logged in and made some more edits. |
| 23:36.08 | bonez39 | macnewbold, what I am wanting is to have a database that will let me know if i try to enter the same name twice..or same address...., and allow me to tag when certain records have had letters printed and mailed, to those records |
| 23:37.27 | macnewbold | if you want to tag them manually, almost anything will work |
| 23:37.39 | macnewbold | I don't know a mail merge engine that makes updates to your list source automatically |
| 23:37.55 | macnewbold | but you can easily check for duplicates in your list with OOo |
| 23:38.07 | macnewbold | using either a spreadsheet for the list or a database (MySQL or whatever) for your list |
| 23:38.54 | macnewbold | you could check for duplicate addresses too |
| 23:46.02 | bonez39 | maybe I am thinking of something more complicated like a CRM sort of thing..... |
| 23:47.31 | nick125 | you could try something like sugarCRM, I don't know if it would fit your needs right though (I've only played with it) |
| 23:52.41 | bonez39 | nick125, I have SugarCRM installed...it is nice....I will check and see how it would handle that.. |
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| 23:53.39 | mheath | Ew, power outage. |
| 23:53.43 | Tene | yay |
| 23:53.51 | nick125 | power outages *suck* |
| 23:54.08 | nick125 | especially when all of your equipment *except* your modem is on a UPS :( |
| 23:54.10 | mheath | I need to get dialup configured on my laptop |
| 23:54.10 | bonez39 | nick125, what I need is something that will schdule my patients...keep track of their claims...submit them...and also manage my marketing and newsletter updates to them..... |
| 23:54.13 | mheath | Then I'll have a failsafe |
| 23:54.38 | nick125 | bonez39: hmm... |
| 23:54.40 | nick125 | *thinks* |
| 23:54.47 | mheath | OK...Hmmm. |
| 23:54.51 | mheath | Like I was saying earlier |
| 23:55.06 | mheath | I made an anonymous edit to a wikipedia article, realized I wasn't logged in, then made more edits as a logged in user |
| 23:55.11 | bonez39 | nick125, I am thinking about something like clearhealth, at op-en.org |
| 23:55.27 | bonez39 | but I don't know if it will take care of it all for me.... |
| 23:56.12 | mheath | Some moron reverts the edit I did as the anonymous user, saying that I'm 'complaining without doing anything' (I added a needs improvement tag) and saying that if I'm going to make edits like that I should "log in and make contributions like Mike [my logged in account] and me" |
| 23:56.32 | Tene | ... |
| 23:56.32 | mheath | Doesn't seem to understand that anonymous editing is a hallmark right of wikipedia. |
| 23:57.06 | mheath | I'm seriously done with this article. I'm not even going to look at it |
| 23:57.21 | nick125 | who reverted it? |
| 23:57.22 | mheath | I'm really pissed off at how rapidly this thing transformed from some minor cleanup work to this giant fiasco |
| 23:57.56 | mheath | nick125, Some guy clueless about Wikipedia procedure. Though he is decent, and making some good contributions. |
| 23:58.16 | emcnabb | mheath: I'm sure you could do better things with your valuable time |
| 23:58.27 | mheath | emcnabb, Yeah, thats why I'm going to stop dealing with this |
| 23:58.40 | nick125 | mheath: okay..what article? |
| 23:58.40 | mheath | It was just some random, quick cleanup work, and then it turned into this crap. |
| 23:59.05 | mheath | nick125, Oh, you haven't even heard half the story, though. Like how I got ridiculed on live radio for making edits to it. (It's an article about a radio show) |
| 23:59.37 | mheath | nick125, "Radio From Hell" |
| 23:59.47 | mheath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_From_Hell |