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| 00:54.50 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ REALLY HARD |
| 01:09.58 | nick125 | I hate qwest soo much |
| 01:10.07 | nick125 | I called into qwest, and, they basically bashed xmission |
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| 01:50.46 | vontrapp | bash: strange...: command not found |
| 01:51.08 | vontrapp | bash doesn't usually tell me when something is strange |
| 01:53.07 | vontrapp | levi: did it specifically say different optical cables? 'cause links could just mean different links over the same cable |
| 01:53.08 | vontrapp | i'm just curious, if you believe it's different cables i believe you |
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| 02:41.59 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 02:43.33 | Sargun | sh: : command not found |
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| 03:05.25 | macnewbold | does anyone know a good tool to tell if your disk write speeds are normal or not? I've got a box with a 4-drive raid-5 (3ware hardware raid card) that seems to be really slow on the disk a lot of the time, and want to see if I can check it somehow. |
| 03:05.59 | findlay | hdparm is pretty good for querying hd info |
| 03:06.00 | bonez43 | testdisk? , no...what about testparm? |
| 03:06.09 | bonez43 | findlay, maybe I was thinking of hdparm |
| 03:06.16 | Sargun | hdparm -tT /dev/md0 |
| 03:06.19 | findlay | hdparm -tT /dev/sd? |
| 03:06.24 | bonez43 | any of you run gtk-gnutella? |
| 03:06.51 | findlay | querying, testing, and setting |
| 03:06.56 | findlay | hdparm does it all |
| 03:07.48 | findlay | you could also check if the FS is very fragmented with <fs-type>fsck |
| 03:15.59 | findlay | man, there are some filthy channels on freenode |
| 03:16.06 | findlay | ~kill filth |
| 03:16.23 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-neutron gun at filth |
| 03:16.24 | findlay | ~destroy filth |
| 03:16.26 | ibot | no |
| 03:16.28 | Tene | ~findlay filth |
| 03:16.30 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps filth. |
| 03:16.30 | findlay | ~nuke filth |
| 03:16.33 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at filth ... B☢☢M! |
| 03:16.39 | Tene | ~emcnabb filth |
| 03:17.52 | findlay | am I wrong in thinking that a nicely laid out linux system is much better than the ultra polished GUI OSX system? |
| 03:18.21 | findlay | s/linux/Linux or BSD |
| 03:19.29 | Tene | I personally agree, for all meaning of "better" that deal with issues important to me. |
| 03:20.21 | findlay | OSX is too close to how windows is setup as far as how the files are laid out to be comfortable for me |
| 03:22.00 | findlay | maybe it's the assurance of the GUI that obfuscates what goes on underneath that I don't like. I don't even like it when ubuntu, etc. GUIs do that |
| 03:22.19 | findlay | but perhaps I'm just old fashioned |
| 03:22.22 | findlay | or backward |
| 03:22.44 | pmcnabb_ | findlay: sounds like you might use arch linux? |
| 03:22.59 | findlay | gentoo, actually |
| 03:23.40 | pmcnabb_ | gentoo's another control freak distro :) |
| 03:23.48 | findlay | yeah |
| 03:23.58 | pmcnabb_ | not that being a control freak is bad |
| 03:27.01 | bonez43 | findlay, so for ext3, is that ext3-fsck |
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| 03:27.28 | findlay | bonez43: fsck.ext3 |
| 03:28.13 | bonez43 | findlay, I know that every so many times rebooting, fsck will check...is it good to periodically run that , specific to one's fs configuration, just to make sure it keeps clean? |
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| 03:28.51 | findlay | bonez43: modern distros will take care of all of that automatically |
| 03:31.34 | bonez43 | findlay, so no need to bother unless some problem crops up |
| 03:31.42 | findlay | yes |
| 03:36.52 | bonez43 | thanks |
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| 03:37.24 | vontrapp | bonez39: i've use gtk-gnutella |
| 03:38.09 | findlay | he left the state |
| 03:38.25 | findlay | I wonder how freenode knows when you're in #utah and when you leave |
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| 03:41.08 | Sargun | ... |
| 03:41.43 | findlay | Sargun: I bet it's rfid |
| 03:46.39 | graphyx | who uses awstats? |
| 03:46.41 | graphyx | 6.1? |
| 03:46.48 | graphyx | I need a little bit of help. |
| 03:49.25 | Sargun | me |
| 03:50.06 | findlay | you? |
| 03:51.05 | Sargun | Yes, me. |
| 03:59.05 | Sargun | What is this weird feeling of responsibility I am feeling over my friends |
| 03:59.14 | findlay | heh |
| 03:59.36 | Sargun | I am supposed to be self-centered and care about no one else :-( |
| 03:59.48 | findlay | I'm sure graphyx just needed some help |
| 03:59.50 | Tene | doi .sargun. do banro .ue |
| 03:59.58 | Sargun | stupid emotions & conscious |
| 04:01.23 | Sargun | I think I hurt graphyx. I'm so sad. |
| 04:01.54 | Sargun | :-P |
| 04:02.10 | findlay | ibot: console Sargun |
| 04:02.22 | ibot | ACTION gives Sargun the consolation moose |
| 04:02.39 | Sargun | ~hug me |
| 04:02.43 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on sargun and suddenly hugs sargun tightly |
| 04:02.51 | Sargun | Aw, thanks ibot. |
| 04:05.45 | Sargun | Well, I wasn't really talking about graphyx |
| 04:06.09 | Tene | ibot: sargun sargun |
| 04:06.21 | ibot | nothing |
| 04:06.24 | Tene | ibot: elg Sargun |
| 04:06.27 | ibot | ACTION sandwichmaps Sargun. |
| 04:07.34 | findlay | ibot: noyhing Sargun |
| 04:07.41 | findlay | ibot: nothing Sargun |
| 04:07.58 | Sargun | ? |
| 04:08.10 | findlay | ibot: ? Sargun |
| 04:08.22 | Sargun | I'm so confused! |
| 04:08.25 | Tene | ibot: nick125 Sargun |
| 04:08.29 | ibot | ACTION puts Sargun on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes Sargun use Gentoo on there. |
| 04:08.35 | Sargun | nooooOO! |
| 04:08.38 | findlay | heh |
| 04:11.26 | Tene | ~strace Sargun |
| 04:12.27 | findlay | heh, ibot gets kicked for flooding |
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| 04:45.49 | elg | woe, woe |
| 04:45.57 | elg | I hate deciding on partitioning |
| 04:48.22 | macnewbold | me too |
| 04:48.28 | macnewbold | lately I've been doing one big partition |
| 04:48.32 | macnewbold | so far so good |
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| 04:50.01 | Sargun | LVM boy! |
| 04:50.23 | findlay_ | yes, of course I do lvm |
| 04:52.48 | elg | i do one big partition |
| 04:52.51 | findlay_ | changing the location of /usr will do interesting things to your system |
| 04:52.59 | elg | it's how do I split up the HDD for dual boot? |
| 04:53.10 | elg | how big do I make linux? that's the hard question |
| 04:53.43 | Sargun | elg, run the other OS in Vmware |
| 04:53.46 | synic | you make linux at least 98% of your disk. The rest is for an emergency :P |
| 04:54.30 | elg | osx gets whatever's left after what I need for a decent linux install |
| 04:54.44 | elg | i don't want to be crowded in linux, but linux can read/write hfs+ |
| 04:54.52 | maquis-fiance | ~hug maquis |
| 04:55.07 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on maquis and suddenly hugs maquis tightly |
| 04:55.07 | elg | so the balance goes hfs+ |
| 04:55.14 | findlay_ | any decent distro can fit well inside of 10 GGib |
| 04:55.20 | findlay_ | s/GG/G/ |
| 04:58.05 | Sargun | What is the technical name for an air raid siren? |
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| 05:06.47 | wps | anyone know anything about Nexus Digital Solutions in Sandy? |
| 05:08.57 | Sargun | mheath, hola! |
| 05:09.20 | Sargun | wps, that they are in sandy |
| 05:09.22 | mheath | Sargun, Hola. como es dos? |
| 05:09.50 | Sargun | How is two? |
| 05:10.29 | Sargun | o.O |
| 05:13.15 | findlay | mheath: that popping sound of yours is kind of loud |
| 05:14.00 | Chadbryant | Sargun: civil defense siren. |
| 05:14.01 | macnewbold | Sargun: technical name? |
| 05:16.48 | wps | yes, in Sandy |
| 05:17.23 | mheath | Indeed. Civil Defense Siren. But "Air Raid Siren" is just as good. |
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| 05:22.39 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Thanks for voting, here's the outcome: goozbach: 7 sjansen: -2 |
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| 05:22.52 | mheath | ibot, Welcome back. |
| 05:23.05 | ibot | Welcome to the party, back.! |
| 05:23.47 | Tene | Hmm. Xen. |
| 05:24.23 | Tene | using redhat's Virtual Machine Manager, I set up a box, and it's using 50% CPU, but the console window it opened just says "The console is currently unavailable" |
| 05:25.10 | Tene | I can pause and resume it... |
| 05:31.28 | findlay | can you login to that domain and run top? |
| 05:32.55 | mheath | Bah, why does Walmart's website suck so much? |
| 05:33.02 | findlay | just because |
| 05:33.42 | mheath | It doesn't even hint at the vast in-store selection |
| 05:34.00 | mheath | With most online sites, I can look around at what they've got, then go down to the store and buy one |
| 05:34.03 | mheath | With walmart, I can't do that |
| 05:35.33 | levi_home | Just got back from Man of La Mancha at the Hale Center Theater. |
| 05:35.49 | mheath | What are some good places to buy two way radios at? |
| 05:35.55 | mheath | levi_home, I love that show. |
| 05:36.04 | mheath | Did they do a good job of it? |
| 05:36.09 | levi_home | Yeah, it was excellent. |
| 05:36.53 | findlay | how much was it? |
| 05:37.40 | levi_home | $20 a ticket |
| 05:37.43 | levi_home | And well worth it. |
| 05:37.49 | findlay | too much for me |
| 05:37.52 | findlay | I'm poor |
| 05:38.01 | levi_home | Bah, only because you spend all your money on CDs. |
| 05:38.29 | mheath | I really wish I got out to see more entertainment like that |
| 05:38.43 | mheath | I used to go to the musical theatre preformances that WSU put on |
| 05:38.49 | mheath | Used to be a really nice, student-ran thing |
| 05:39.01 | findlay | 4 $5 CDs are worth more than a one $20 show |
| 05:39.21 | mheath | Then they got a new program director, who insisted on using guild actors, and on doing weird artsy pieces rather than classics like Man of La Mancha |
| 05:39.22 | levi_home | findlay: I disagree. There's nothing like a live performance. |
| 05:39.25 | mheath | Things went downhill from there |
| 05:39.38 | mheath | I think they actually recently candeled the program recently. |
| 05:40.03 | levi_home | That's too bad. |
| 05:40.32 | levi_home | I've been to a couple of weird artsy pieces I enjoyed, though. |
| 05:40.32 | findlay | didn't you mean redundantly? |
| 05:40.56 | levi_home | One was about Shakespeare, and the suggestion that he didn't really write his plays, or something like that. |
| 05:41.21 | mheath | levi_home, yeah. The old program did some things off the beaten path of common musicals, but they were all enjoyable programs. |
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| 05:41.32 | mheath | This new guy never had any of the traditional, classic musicals in the season |
| 05:41.51 | levi_home | Beard of Avon, it was called. |
| 05:42.23 | Tene | findlay: trying to install windows, actually |
| 05:42.24 | mheath | Hmm. Where else would be a place that would sell two way radios? I'm going to look at Best Buy, Circuit City, and Walmart... |
| 05:42.41 | levi_home | Pretty much everything I've seen at Hale Center has been at least pretty good, and some of them have been excellent. |
| 05:42.49 | levi_home | mheath: Target, perhaps. |
| 05:43.02 | findlay | Tene: in that case I have no sympathy for you (: |
| 05:43.20 | mheath | levi_home, findlay, have either of you seen that new Borat movie? |
| 05:43.30 | Tene | Heh. I have no sympathy for myself. ;) |
| 05:45.16 | mheath | I really recommend you go and see it. It's hilarious. Though, very, very crude and insulting at points. |
| 05:45.30 | mheath | I honestly don't know how they got it rated R rather than NC-17 |
| 05:46.12 | findlay | mheath: I'm not willing to absorb much crude or insulting whatever the tradeoff (: |
| 05:46.25 | levi_home | Nope, and I probably won't be seeing it either. |
| 05:46.48 | mheath | It makes a lot of jokes about Jewish people. A LOT. |
| 05:47.07 | mheath | It would be the most insulting thing to the Jewish population since the third reich, if it wasn't for the fact that the actor making these jokes is Jewish himself. |
| 05:47.09 | levi_home | I don't go out to see movies these days at all. |
| 05:48.02 | mheath | A lot of it is political. An observation of how utterly stupid some things in our country, and some people in our country, are to people who aren't used to our ways. |
| 05:48.40 | levi_home | Yeah, I've heard the premise. |
| 05:49.11 | mheath | Well, thats not really the premise at all. And I'm not sure if that was even their intention, But it comes off that way. |
| 05:49.53 | mheath | Anyway, be back tomorrow. Time for sleep. |
| 05:50.00 | mheath | Goodnight, #utah |
| 06:04.06 | findlay | I say, ubuntu release names are getting wierder and wierder |
| 06:04.40 | Sargun | hah |
| 06:05.29 | findlay | although Linux release names are quite queer themselves |
| 06:05.38 | Tene | Oh. That was awkward. |
| 06:05.55 | Tene | The problem was that localhost was set to ::1 in /etc/hosts, but xen's vnc doesn't listen on ipv6 |
| 06:06.10 | findlay | for example: the name for 2.6.18 is Avast! A bilge rat! |
| 06:06.21 | findlay | ha |
| 06:06.37 | nick125 | Tene: was it set to 127.0.0.1 as well? |
| 06:06.41 | Tene | Nope. |
| 06:15.58 | reriding | notice 2.6.18 Makefile file date is Talk Like A Pirate Day (9/19) |
| 06:16.16 | findlay | I figured |
| 06:16.51 | findlay | Tene: don't you know all the cool kids use ipv6? |
| 06:17.00 | Tene | xen's vnc doesn't |
| 06:17.05 | Tene | I guess it's not cool |
| 06:17.14 | findlay | probably not |
| 06:19.52 | Tene | man, win2k setup takes a long time to start... |
| 06:26.04 | nick125 | hm |
| 06:26.28 | nick125 | xmission doesn't know why my line is latency spiking like it is :/ |
| 06:27.38 | findlay | nick125: sounds like you're having a hard time of it no matter what |
| 06:27.48 | findlay | but xmission has great service |
| 06:29.14 | nick125 | better then qwest and them bashing other ISPs |
| 06:29.28 | nick125 | (qwest said that they have "alot" of problems with xmission customers) |
| 06:30.46 | findlay | heh |
| 06:30.47 | findlay | right |
| 06:31.12 | nick125 | I personally call BS on that |
| 06:34.22 | reriding | it's probably true...qwest has a lot of problems will everyone else too |
| 06:34.50 | nick125 | Qwest probably thinks that I'm going to switch to qwest.net....before that happens, I'll switch to ****ing dialup |
| 06:35.08 | Sargun | Number: 712-432-5145 Conf number: 5678 |
| 06:35.33 | findlay | quick! everybody call Sargun and spam his voicemail |
| 06:35.40 | nick125 | its a conference service |
| 06:35.44 | findlay | oh |
| 06:35.49 | findlay | oh well |
| 06:35.53 | findlay | I tried |
| 06:35.55 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:36.47 | nick125 | the guy at XM said the problem is either congestion with the pipe between UT and NM, or its a modem issue |
| 06:38.08 | vontrapp | levi_home: i can't afford much in the way of shows either, and it's _not_ because i buy CDs: i can't afford those either :( |
| 06:38.32 | vontrapp | findlay: probably 4 CDs at $5 or a live show at $20 are about equal |
| 06:38.59 | vontrapp | and i want to see HOWARD JONES!! :'( |
| 06:39.02 | findlay | CDs last a lot longer than a one time show |
| 06:39.16 | vontrapp | but the show _is_ better |
| 06:39.22 | findlay | sometimes |
| 06:39.41 | vontrapp | especially if it's classical musicals |
| 06:40.08 | findlay | well, not always true for concert music pieces |
| 06:40.34 | Tene | ibot: #include <findlay> |
| 06:40.43 | vontrapp | but, as far as concert music pieces go, they can be much cheaper at a university (like BYU) esp with a student id |
| 06:40.55 | findlay | ugh, BYU? |
| 06:40.57 | vontrapp | ~vontrapp tene |
| 06:40.59 | findlay | no way |
| 06:41.13 | vontrapp | i've been to a couple excellent performances there |
| 06:41.29 | findlay | if you want anything anywhere near decent, you'd be much better off going to the Utah Symphony |
| 06:41.42 | vontrapp | although i can't claim to have sampled enough performances to make any kind of judgement as to average quality |
| 06:42.33 | findlay | university ensambles don't lack in the way of passion, it is the technical details that make all the difference |
| 06:43.22 | findlay | BTW, the USO's cello section is sounding excellent this year |
| 06:44.14 | vontrapp | i've been to Mahler's Ressurection at BYU (maybe you remember me talking about it long ago) |
| 06:44.21 | findlay | yes |
| 06:44.23 | vontrapp | it was really really good |
| 06:44.31 | vontrapp | but it alsow was utah symphony or something |
| 06:44.34 | vontrapp | can't remember |
| 06:44.59 | vontrapp | the elite of elite byu group (forget the name) sang along with them |
| 06:45.45 | levi_home | findlay: I seem to recall that you have some CDs that you paid far more than $5 for. |
| 06:45.51 | findlay | there is a depressing trend for the cultivation of uncomonnly huge egos in university music programs |
| 06:46.20 | findlay | and you look at musicians like Perlman and Isaac Stern who have no egos |
| 06:46.37 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 06:46.39 | vontrapp | ego's suck |
| 06:46.41 | findlay | levi_home: I know, I was trying to make the advantage sound as good as possible |
| 06:47.06 | findlay | vontrapp: I'm in the UVSC chamber orchestra and the amount and size of egos there makes it very not fun to play |
| 06:47.36 | vontrapp | i was in a singing group in nm, called pro choro |
| 06:47.43 | vontrapp | it was freakin' awesome |
| 06:47.50 | findlay | that sounds fun |
| 06:47.53 | vontrapp | the director didn't let anyone get an ego |
| 06:47.59 | findlay | nice |
| 06:48.06 | levi_home | findlay: Plus, most $5 CDs aren't that great. |
| 06:48.09 | vontrapp | he wasn't afraid to correct anyone anytime |
| 06:48.24 | vontrapp | and he'd always say "don't take it personally, take it professionally" |
| 06:48.37 | macnewbold | vontrapp: are you back in utah now or still in NM? |
| 06:48.38 | findlay | but the director himself can't have an ego for something like that to work |
| 06:48.47 | vontrapp | utah |
| 06:48.58 | macnewbold | if you're looking for a good group like that, I can recommend one |
| 06:49.01 | vontrapp | right |
| 06:49.03 | vontrapp | and he didn't |
| 06:49.22 | vontrapp | he was extremely personable (and gay... but what do you do?) |
| 06:49.30 | macnewbold | haha |
| 06:49.30 | findlay | Barlow Bradford has some choir deal somewhere |
| 06:50.36 | findlay | I'm playing for a couple of Messiah performances this December |
| 06:50.36 | vontrapp | i'm tired of being in ward choirs where the director just tries to get everyone to learn the not |
| 06:50.40 | vontrapp | e |
| 06:50.46 | findlay | getting paid for too, oh yeah |
| 06:50.53 | vontrapp | you never work on tone, pitch, matching, and meshing harmonies :( |
| 06:51.03 | findlay | oh man, ward choir ): |
| 06:51.25 | findlay | vontrapp: part of the problem of intonation is vowel unity |
| 06:51.27 | vontrapp | and now i play piano for it |
| 06:51.43 | vontrapp | at least i have the power to make sure the counting is right ;) |
| 06:51.52 | vontrapp | findlay: absolutely |
| 06:51.53 | levi_home | I just don't go to ward choir. :) |
| 06:52.08 | vontrapp | and at least our choir director does try to get a little vowel unity out of them |
| 06:52.09 | findlay | heh, if even the director doesn't know counting, the game is over |
| 06:52.44 | vontrapp | yeah, but fortunately she does |
| 06:53.33 | vontrapp | and i wouldn't dream of driving the director, i strictly follow, to the best of my abilities |
| 06:53.42 | findlay | that's awesome |
| 06:54.10 | findlay | that's one of the hardest things to get ametuer instrument players to do |
| 06:54.16 | vontrapp | it's just that if some of the singers or even the director on occasion somehow misses how something should be counted, i can plunk it out nice and clear for em' |
| 06:54.21 | levi_home | Hmm, the highest spot for a computer we built last year was only 30 on the top 500 list. |
| 06:54.55 | levi_home | Still, 3368 processors is nothing to sneeze at. |
| 06:55.13 | findlay | aren't there some out there with tens of thousands? |
| 06:55.27 | vontrapp | the other thing that really sucks about ward choirs sometimes is the quality of music picked for performances |
| 06:55.35 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:55.37 | vontrapp | and part of that is due to the skill level of the singers, of course |
| 06:55.58 | levi_home | BlueGene/L has 131072 processors. |
| 06:56.08 | findlay | I hate those arrangements that shout at you how you're evil for even thinking about copying them |
| 06:56.18 | vontrapp | my dad directed choir back home, he would always warm us up with fun excercises and we'd sing spirituals and other great stuff |
| 06:56.33 | levi_home | And 9 others with at least 10000 processors. |
| 06:56.35 | vontrapp | findlay: haha, that's exactly what we use! |
| 06:56.44 | findlay | as if their arrangements are so great |
| 06:56.58 | findlay | but really hymn arangements are basically interchangeable |
| 06:56.58 | vontrapp | "We've made it real easy to be honest! If it doesn't have a label, it's dishonest!" |
| 06:57.12 | findlay | so go with the ones that don't embrace DMCA nonsense |
| 06:57.21 | findlay | vontrapp: those are the worst! |
| 06:57.48 | levi_home | How are the poor starving Mormon families going to make any money with their arrangements if you copy them?! |
| 06:57.50 | findlay | I've avoided ward before choir just so I didn't have to look at that stuff |
| 06:58.28 | vontrapp | well, my wife's yelling at me to get to bed |
| 06:58.34 | vontrapp | goodnight all, twas fun |
| 06:58.36 | findlay | http://www.defordmusic.com/ |
| 06:58.38 | levi_home | Seeya. |
| 06:58.40 | findlay | later |
| 06:59.30 | findlay | levi_home: doesn't BlueGene/L use IBM's high end CPU? |
| 07:01.24 | levi_home | It's PPC440s, apparently. |
| 07:01.53 | levi_home | 65,536 dual-processor nodes. |
| 07:03.28 | levi_home | Huh, they built each node as a single ASIC. |
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| 07:05.22 | rsimpkins | anyone having problems hitting plug.org? |
| 07:05.44 | rsimpkins | Jayce^? |
| 07:05.45 | levi_home | The nodes are interconnected through 5 networks, the most significant of which is a 64 x 32 x 32 three-dimensional torus. It's nearly completely symmetric, so a node can talk to remote nodes as quickly and with as much bandwidth as its neighbors. |
| 07:06.18 | levi_home | rsimpkins: I was just noticing I couldn't get to Jayce's blog. The problem is probably related. |
| 07:06.24 | rsimpkins | k |
| 07:06.38 | rsimpkins | I have a shell, but no root - maybe I can spot the issue. |
| 07:08.49 | rsimpkins | the load is low, I hope nothing nasty is going on. |
| 07:09.12 | rsimpkins | Anyone have Jason's phone number? |
| 07:09.36 | nick125 | plug seems slow here too |
| 07:10.04 | rsimpkins | Or Hans? |
| 07:10.08 | nick125 | getting packet loss to plug.org |
| 07:11.18 | rsimpkins | the interface in front of it is fine. |
| 07:12.12 | rsimpkins | well, we might just need to live with it until they get in tomorrow. Not sure they wanna be woken up at midnight. |
| 07:12.45 | levi_home | I think we'll survive. :) |
| 07:12.55 | findlay | just barely |
| 07:13.51 | nick125 | the plug site is still loading here :/ |
| 07:14.12 | rsimpkins | it's acting like a connectivity issue, not a DOS or anything. I bet the cold weather has something going nuts out on the pole. |
| 07:14.19 | nick125 | probably |
| 07:20.16 | Sargun | Cold Weather? |
| 07:20.24 | Sargun | Thats why you don't live in ootah. |
| 07:23.39 | rsimpkins | that is why people live in utah. |
| 07:24.46 | Sargun | Weird. |
| 07:25.22 | rsimpkins | ever hear of a little think called the winter olympics? |
| 07:25.28 | rsimpkins | thing. |
| 07:25.36 | rsimpkins | man - I just need to go to bed. |
| 07:25.39 | Sargun | heh |
| 07:25.42 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 07:25.48 | Sargun | I kinda hate that thing. |
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| 07:25.56 | Sargun | When are the next olympics? |
| 07:26.06 | rsimpkins | Some people really like it - enough to spend millions on it. |
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| 07:26.56 | rsimpkins | Sargun: this year, winter, in Italy I believe |
| 07:27.14 | Sargun | Ah, cool. |
| 07:27.19 | rsimpkins | wait - that isnt' right |
| 07:27.25 | rsimpkins | I am not much of a sports guy |
| 07:27.45 | rsimpkins | ha, they were this year in feburary in Torio. |
| 07:27.49 | rsimpkins | Shows you how much I pay attention. |
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| 07:27.59 | rsimpkins | so the next will be in 2008 some place. |
| 07:28.09 | findlay | really? |
| 07:28.13 | rsimpkins | China |
| 07:28.21 | findlay | the olympics happened without me even knowing |
| 07:28.24 | rsimpkins | Yeah, beijing hosts in 2008, that's right. |
| 07:28.29 | rsimpkins | I remember a big stink about that. |
| 07:28.48 | rsimpkins | It is every two years, it used to be every 4. |
| 07:29.19 | rsimpkins | They made it so you can do the winter/summer olympics every 2 years, something about allowing a city to compete for both spots if they wanted to. |
| 07:29.22 | Sargun | Yeah, I thought it was every four. |
| 07:29.50 | rsimpkins | so in 2008, summer olympics, in 2010 winter, and so on. |
| 07:31.06 | rsimpkins | It might actually be related to television. Back in the day they didn't interrupt multi-millino dollar TV schedules for those events. |
| 07:31.33 | rsimpkins | Only the biggest networks have the resources to tackle the olympics. |
| 07:31.44 | rsimpkins | NBC/ABC/CBS |
| 07:32.32 | Sargun | I should tackle the Olympics. :-P |
| 07:32.42 | Sargun | That'd require me to fly to italy |
| 07:32.58 | Sargun | I wonder if making an Olympic vidcast would make money |
| 07:34.13 | rsimpkins | Yeah, for the IOC when they sue you. |
| 07:34.29 | rsimpkins | The network agreements they sign are exclusive - for good reason. |
| 07:34.31 | findlay | I think the olypics in aalib would be good enough |
| 07:35.13 | rsimpkins | I used to be in the biz - a broadcast like that will cost you tens of millions of dollars in equipment, and probably half a mil a day running expenses, or more (due to satalite and backup satalite links). |
| 07:35.38 | Sargun | rsimpkins, and they still go down sadly. |
| 07:35.47 | findlay | multicast will put everyby out of business |
| 07:35.56 | Sargun | findlay, multicast is nice. |
| 07:36.00 | findlay | yes |
| 07:36.00 | rsimpkins | A typical high-quality television camera runs about 40k. You need 15 of them for some events. |
| 07:36.15 | Sargun | do your ISPs do multicast? |
| 07:36.27 | findlay | don't know |
| 07:36.33 | Sargun | findlay, what ISP? |
| 07:36.42 | findlay | veracity, sadly |
| 07:36.59 | Sargun | AOL Dial-up did multicast for a bit |
| 07:37.53 | Tene | findlay: will multicast put you out of business? |
| 07:38.18 | Sargun | AOL has done some really cool stuff |
| 07:38.40 | findlay | Tene: yeah |
| 07:39.06 | Tene | findlay: what business are you in? |
| 07:39.18 | findlay | FUH |
| 07:39.27 | findlay | fear, uncertainty, and humor |
| 07:39.51 | Sargun | hahah |
| 07:39.51 | rsimpkins | That is both scary and hilarious! But I'm not really sure. |
| 07:41.05 | Tene | the idea that multicast could remove those from the internet is scary and funny, but I don't believe it. |
| 07:41.44 | findlay | but what about the squirrls who run the packets through the TUBES? Won't anybody think of them?! |
| 07:41.59 | rsimpkins | They are squirrls, they are ninjas. |
| 07:42.09 | rsimpkins | My network guy is a guru, and he says ninjas do it. |
| 07:42.40 | rsimpkins | And if the ninjas stop you have to sacrifice a chicken. |
| 07:43.11 | findlay | will a turkey on Thanksgiving work? |
| 07:43.27 | rsimpkins | I don't know. Do ninjas like turkey? |
| 07:43.36 | findlay | possibly |
| 07:54.04 | Sargun | http://qdb.us/72484 |
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| 08:01.15 | findlay | Netsplit, nice to see you |
| 08:01.25 | Sargun | Surf the netsplit! |
| 08:01.45 | findlay | Sargun: the curve already broke |
| 08:01.51 | Sargun | :-( |
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| 08:59.29 | Sargun | How can I create a small EMP? |
| 09:01.25 | Tene | Sargun: grab a small magnet and run in circles really fast. |
| 09:01.40 | Sargun | heh |
| 09:03.13 | Sargun | Would a spark gap of a 100V circuit work? or is it a coil, and put 100V through the coil? |
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| 09:34.10 | findlay | Sargun: you need lots of volts to jump a gap |
| 09:34.17 | findlay | the more the better |
| 09:34.23 | findlay | thousands, even |
| 09:34.28 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 09:34.34 | Sargun | How do I calculate the winds on the coil |
| 09:34.39 | Sargun | and the diameter of the coil? |
| 09:34.41 | findlay | but it's not hard to get |
| 09:35.11 | findlay | you count the turns and measure the diameter with a ruler? |
| 09:36.04 | findlay | just grab an ignition coil from an old car. that should give you 50,000 dV |
| 09:36.07 | findlay | (: |
| 09:38.09 | Sargun | heh |
| 09:43.17 | findlay | 50 K will jump over a centimeter. More in dry air |
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| 12:36.47 | emcnabb | good morning |
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| 14:15.20 | redbeard1 | morning all |
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| 14:53.09 | emcnabb | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 14:53.26 | emcnabb | ibot: is his beard still red though? |
| 14:56.22 | emcnabb | ibot: that was one big squeeze |
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| 15:10.09 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 15:11.01 | emcnabb | elg: you jealous of vontrapp? :-) |
| 15:14.19 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 15:26.44 | scothoser | Morning all! |
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| 15:34.25 | elg | what the flip with ubuntu's new bug system? it's terrible! |
| 15:35.39 | redbeard1 | elg: you've heard of method acting? maybe this is method bug reporting. |
| 15:42.58 | scothoser | Method bug reporting? |
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| 15:50.14 | rsimpkin1 | elg: what's up? |
| 15:50.24 | rsimpkin1 | Anyone figure out what is up with the server? |
| 15:50.44 | elg | what server? |
| 15:50.48 | rsimpkin1 | plug's |
| 15:50.59 | rsimpkin1 | It was having trouble last night. |
| 15:50.59 | elg | looks down |
| 15:51.05 | rsimpkin1 | It wasn't last night. |
| 15:51.17 | elg | what kind of trouble? |
| 15:51.17 | rsimpkin1 | It was just dropping packets like crazy. |
| 15:51.39 | rsimpkin1 | Didn't have high latency, just a steady 30%+ packet loss. |
| 15:51.49 | rsimpkin1 | I was able to get a shell and the load was normal. |
| 15:51.56 | rsimpkin1 | And nothing odd in ps aux output. |
| 15:51.59 | elg | so let's blame it on jayce |
| 15:52.03 | rsimpkin1 | k |
| 15:52.36 | rsimpkin1 | whoa - back? |
| 15:53.01 | rsimpkin1 | Just like a server. You start talking about it and it returns from the dead. |
| 15:53.36 | rsimpkin1 | for a second.... :( :( It is flapping looks like. Probably a connectivity issue. |
| 15:55.40 | rsimpkin1 | well, I'm off. Hopefully it is fixed (up at the moment), or will be soon. |
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| 15:58.49 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:01.52 | redbeard1 | rsimpkin1: it was possessed |
| 16:03.19 | redbeard1 | rsimpkin1: hey, how long was it down, anyway? |
| 16:06.10 | elg | 3.8 seconds |
| 16:06.49 | redbeard1 | ~bake elg |
| 16:06.50 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook elg, redbeard1 |
| 16:06.59 | redbeard1 | fine |
| 16:07.04 | redbeard1 | ~cook elg |
| 16:07.05 | ibot | ACTION throws elg in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks elg on 350 for an hour |
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| 16:32.54 | rsimpkin1 | redbeard1: It had problems from at least midnight last night. |
| 16:33.00 | maquis | why does firefox2 not let me have as many tabs showing at once as the old firefox? |
| 16:33.35 | graphyx | so that you don't lose the names of them. |
| 16:33.38 | rsimpkin1 | Because the "2" doesn't stand for version. It is a multiplier for bugs. |
| 16:33.39 | graphyx | Try flower tabs or something. |
| 16:34.03 | maquis | graphyx: but i really don't mind losing the names |
| 16:34.12 | redbeard1 | rsimpkin1: yeah, we don't know what the problem was, but we fixed it this morning |
| 16:34.13 | maquis | graphyx: is that a plugin? |
| 16:34.16 | graphyx | then stick with ff1.5 |
| 16:34.17 | graphyx | yes |
| 16:34.20 | redbeard1 | my server was affected too |
| 16:35.13 | Jayce^ | rsimpkin1, about 10:30 is when stuff happened |
| 16:37.52 | redbeard1 | we figure jayce's machine got hacked and was running bittorrent all night |
| 16:37.58 | Jayce^ | hah |
| 16:38.04 | Jayce^ | that wasn't a hack... :-p |
| 16:38.25 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: oh yeah? you meant to be hosting "debbie does dallas"? |
| 16:38.29 | redbeard1 | O_o |
| 16:39.40 | graphyx | I must have misread that one. I thought he was hosting debian does dallas. |
| 16:39.49 | graphyx | a story about a town in texas converting to linux. |
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| 16:49.21 | maquis | graphyx: lol... |
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| 16:53.55 | levi | Cool, lambda expressions in C# 3.0 |
| 16:54.34 | levi | And type inference! |
| 16:54.38 | elg | any graphics card gurus? |
| 16:55.03 | elg | hmm, 2 firefox crashes in 2 days on the macbook. this does not bode well |
| 16:56.16 | elg | 3 |
| 16:58.00 | levi | elg: Just get one of the extensions that manages your session. |
| 16:58.14 | elg | firefox does that itself |
| 16:58.15 | graphyx | levi that is built into ff2 |
| 16:58.23 | levi | Ahh. |
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| 17:00.33 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: You don't know what the problem was but you fixed it? |
| 17:00.49 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, the switch b0rked |
| 17:00.53 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: we reset the switch, and it all started working okay |
| 17:00.55 | Jayce^ | comforting, aint it |
| 17:01.15 | rsimpkins | Who made the switch? |
| 17:01.57 | elg | Jayce^ did, in his shop |
| 17:02.02 | elg | in 8th grae |
| 17:02.09 | redbeard1 | well, when i say "we", i mean the systems guys. they try not to let people like me in the server room. |
| 17:02.17 | redbeard1 | so i'm not sure what kind of switch it is. |
| 17:02.55 | rsimpkins | Well, lart the system guys for not getting a page at 1am to deal with it! :) |
| 17:03.02 | redbeard1 | for some reason tho, they let people like jayce in there. he even has a key. |
| 17:03.16 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, it's considered 'non-essential'.. it's just the personal boxes :) |
| 17:03.31 | redbeard1 | jayce could have been here last night when he noticed at 10:30 that there were problems. but did he do anything about it? of course not. |
| 17:03.38 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Yeah, time to change the SLA on that. ;) |
| 17:04.35 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, 10:30, I was happy I'd just finished a post :) |
| 17:05.01 | rsimpkins | Just in the nick of time. |
| 17:05.20 | rsimpkins | elg, Jayce^ - What kind of backups do we have on this thing? |
| 17:05.22 | redbeard1 | ah, so it was jayce's post that killed it. |
| 17:05.43 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, it's such a powerful one.. and all my loyal readers jumped to read the rest of it |
| 17:05.47 | rsimpkins | Last night visions of restoring plug.org popped in to my head - and it scared me. |
| 17:05.48 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: i have the homepage backed up in my browser cache right now... does that help? |
| 17:05.54 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, on plug.org? hah... |
| 17:06.00 | emcnabb | http://www.armorofgodpjs.com |
| 17:06.03 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, the backups on your drive :) |
| 17:06.09 | rsimpkins | I'll write a backup script. |
| 17:06.15 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Don't be funny. |
| 17:06.31 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: backups on *my* hard drive? HA! Never heard of such a thing. ;P |
| 17:06.45 | elg | rsimpkins: whatever you set up to backup your web stuff |
| 17:06.52 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: what the... where did you find that? |
| 17:06.57 | rsimpkins | elg: Okay, i'll do something then. |
| 17:07.07 | emcnabb | redbeard1: my dad found it somewhere |
| 17:07.24 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: you see the expression on the boy's face? he reminds me of rodney dangerfield |
| 17:07.28 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, so now we know what he's getting you for Christmas.. |
| 17:07.39 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 17:07.50 | emcnabb | "If you guys aren't nice to me, I'm going to buy all of your kids these |
| 17:07.50 | emcnabb | pajamas! |
| 17:07.52 | emcnabb | " |
| 17:08.06 | rsimpkins | wow |
| 17:08.09 | rsimpkins | that is so cool. |
| 17:08.15 | redbeard1 | "no, dad! don't make us wear those!" |
| 17:09.03 | maquis | lol |
| 17:09.17 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:09.48 | emcnabb | at the end of the email he said: "If you're really mean, I'll have them made in *your* size." |
| 17:10.01 | graphyx | lol. |
| 17:10.30 | graphyx | I thought they sold adult sized ones already. |
| 17:11.12 | emcnabb | graphyx: probably |
| 17:15.20 | redbeard1 | doesn't look like they have adult sizes. we should have somebody write to them and ask when they're going to be making them. |
| 17:15.32 | redbeard1 | i nominate jesse |
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| 17:18.29 | emcnabb | anyone else think they should replace the kids on the front page with harleypig in them? |
| 17:25.23 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 17:26.45 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:26.57 | Jayce^ | ~poke Keighvin |
| 17:27.03 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Keighvin, pokes Keighvin repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:27.20 | Jayce^ | just to hurt everybody... Harleypig was just over here dancing to Black Eyed Pea's "My Humps" |
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| 17:28.31 | Keighvin | Auch, mein augen! |
| 17:33.07 | emcnabb | Jayce^: I'm sorry |
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| 17:40.18 | findlay | haha, windows is funny |
| 17:40.39 | maquis | findlay: for a very painful definition of "funny", sore |
| 17:40.40 | maquis | er |
| 17:40.41 | maquis | sure |
| 17:41.20 | findlay | maquis: its only funny when I can admire from a distance and am not forced to use it |
| 17:41.29 | maquis | ah |
| 17:47.05 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Is your story ready to be published? |
| 17:47.42 | rsimpkins | I'm going to assume yes. |
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| 17:58.04 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: story? what story? |
| 17:58.40 | maquis | redbeard1: it's probably about you |
| 17:59.09 | redbeard1 | figures |
| 17:59.17 | redbeard1 | he even spelled my name dwigt |
| 18:06.38 | redbeard1 | http://putonfaith.com/index.cfm/Adult_Christian_Clothing/fuseaction/ViewProductDetails/ProductID/3,2859191 |
| 18:10.06 | Keighvin | Um... |
| 18:10.41 | Keighvin | If that's not satire, then they're totally doing themselves a disservice. |
| 18:13.12 | redbeard1 | oh man. that's my new favorite site. |
| 18:13.48 | ^Migs^ | wow, they have some good stuff |
| 18:14.05 | redbeard1 | i like the napoleon dynamite ones |
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| 18:38.58 | levi | Yay, I've figured out my bluesmoke bug. |
| 18:39.21 | levi | Kernel hacking is FUN! :P |
| 18:42.54 | graphyx | elg: You see this alreaedy? http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-linuxmusic/ |
| 18:43.04 | graphyx | I prefer server hacking. |
| 18:43.20 | emcnabb | graphyx: that would be 'cracking' |
| 18:43.29 | emcnabb | levi: what type of bug? |
| 18:43.52 | graphyx | emcnabb: You know what, you are absolutely correct. |
| 18:44.02 | graphyx | And I never even thought to consider myself a cracker. |
| 18:44.25 | emcnabb | you are a 'cracker' in several senses :-) |
| 18:44.37 | emcnabb | I'm a cracker in only one |
| 18:44.39 | levi | emcnabb: A piece of code had to determine which CPU in a multi-CPU system it was running on to put some CPU-specific information into a structure. |
| 18:44.47 | findlay | me, I'm just a slacker |
| 18:45.02 | emcnabb | levi: interestin |
| 18:45.02 | emcnabb | g |
| 18:45.16 | Tene | I'm a stacker! I like making piles! |
| 18:45.19 | levi | emcnabb: Physical CPU, that is. The presence of multi-core CPUs throws this calculation off. :) |
| 18:45.27 | findlay | levi: you mentioned BlueGene/L arranges the nodes into a 3-torus, but why not a 4-torus? |
| 18:45.38 | graphyx | Tene: just like Stacker HD? |
| 18:45.43 | graphyx | The HD conpression utility? |
| 18:45.49 | Tene | graphyx: Perhaps! |
| 18:45.51 | findlay | with the higher dimension comes more possibilities of symmetry |
| 18:45.53 | graphyx | for when cpu cycles were cheaper than diskspace. |
| 18:46.10 | graphyx | Now are are swinging the other way. |
| 18:46.17 | levi | findlay: The 3-torus was apparently sufficient, and certainly cheaper. |
| 18:46.24 | graphyx | We use rainbow tables to crack passwords. Disk space versus cpu time. |
| 18:46.43 | Tene | also because we like rainbows |
| 18:46.47 | Tene | pretty colors! :D |
| 18:46.56 | findlay | levi: heh, but having a 4 dimensional computer is sure to impress the impressionable (: |
| 18:47.40 | levi | findlay: It was expensive enough already, and the only number people really care about is the linpack benchmark. :P |
| 18:47.51 | findlay | cheaper? We're talking about the world's fastest computer. No expense ought to be spared ): |
| 18:47.52 | graphyx | Tene: I get the feeling that our lines of the conversation are orthogonal.. ;) |
| 18:48.10 | findlay | s/):/(:/ |
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| 19:02.39 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 19:23.37 | Mystery_Mark | I have a God complex |
| 19:23.44 | Mystery_Mark | I'm starting to realize it. |
| 19:24.32 | Mystery_Mark | Last night I thought I could control the wind, but that may have been the alcohol. |
| 19:25.28 | SB1-Work | That's not a God complex |
| 19:25.37 | SB1-Work | That's just an Alcoholic complex ;) |
| 19:26.10 | graphyx | You can control the wild relative to your self. |
| 19:26.21 | graphyx | The faster you go in any one direction the faster the wind comes at you from that direction. |
| 19:30.53 | levi | Yay, my fix works! |
| 19:32.29 | levi | findlay: Adding cost for no measurable performance increase is silly. For the same cost as adding enough extra links to make a 4-torus, they could have added some extra nodes or something useful. |
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| 19:37.21 | findlay | oh sure |
| 19:37.25 | findlay | that's no fun |
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| 19:41.56 | findlay | levi: you're not considering the fun factor |
| 19:49.39 | emcnabb | "the new version is more complex, slower, consumes more RAM, and randomly crashes, but it has a 50% higher fun factor!" |
| 19:50.00 | emcnabb | that would go over *very* well |
| 19:50.03 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 19:52.30 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Turkeys be warned, this is not a turkey refuge. |
| 19:57.33 | *** topic/#utah by Tene -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Turkeys be warned, this is not a ham sandwich. |
| 20:02.57 | levi | I've highlighted a visual block in vim; how do I delete that block? |
| 20:03.28 | elg | d |
| 20:03.39 | elg | is this a trick question? |
| 20:03.50 | levi | That didn't seem to work. |
| 20:04.00 | levi | Oh, duh. |
| 20:04.04 | levi | I did :d before |
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| 20:08.37 | findlay | or x |
| 20:11.13 | ^Migs^ | does anyone remember the command to restart the x server in suse? |
| 20:11.16 | ^Migs^ | rdxsdm or something? |
| 20:11.20 | Tene | or ctrl-alt-meta-bucky-f |
| 20:11.48 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: usually you actually restart the display manager |
| 20:11.50 | vontrapp | gdm or xdm |
| 20:12.10 | findlay | kdm |
| 20:12.16 | ^Migs^ | mdm |
| 20:12.19 | vontrapp | or that, if you're masochist |
| 20:12.53 | ^Migs^ | but what's the other command? rsxdm or whatever |
| 20:17.07 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: init 3; init 5 |
| 20:17.18 | ^Migs^ | ah, thanks |
| 20:17.23 | ^Migs^ | what's rcxdm then? |
| 20:17.32 | ^Migs^ | or "rcxdm restart" |
| 20:17.40 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: never heard of it |
| 20:18.48 | Tene | ^Migs^: probably "<something> xdm restart" |
| 20:19.10 | Tene | where <something> talks to things in /etc/init.d |
| 20:19.11 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.31 | ^Migs^ | ah okay, cool |
| 20:19.35 | Tene | like RH's "service" where "service foo X" is equivalent to "/etc/init.d/foo X" |
| 20:19.42 | ^Migs^ | that makes sense |
| 20:24.37 | vontrapp | ack! how come uname -p returns "unknown" |
| 20:24.37 | vontrapp | ? |
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| 20:28.21 | Tene | vontrapp: you don't have a processor |
| 20:29.57 | ^Migs^ | I think you need one of those |
| 20:30.12 | ^Migs^ | one of them new-fangled inventions |
| 20:35.06 | findlay | cat /proc/version |
| 20:35.13 | findlay | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:36.26 | findlay | emcnabb: do `telinit 6` to enter the secret easter egg expansion set of the OS |
| 20:36.40 | emcnabb | been there, done that |
| 20:36.46 | findlay | aww |
| 20:37.17 | emcnabb | vontrapp: which distro? |
| 20:41.04 | findlay | cat /proc/emcnabb |
| 20:41.04 | vontrapp | ubuntu |
| 20:41.04 | emcnabb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291601 |
| 20:41.04 | vontrapp | ah, i don't care that much, just seemed strange |
| 20:41.05 | vontrapp | ubuntu64 |
| 20:41.05 | vontrapp | that's really what i'm running |
| 20:41.12 | findlay | you need to upgrade to ubuntu66 |
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| 20:42.50 | vontrapp | tha twould be wierd |
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| 20:47.49 | emcnabb | reminds me of 31 bit IBM architectures |
| 20:47.51 | emcnabb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31-bit |
| 20:49.36 | nick125 | elg: around? |
| 20:53.00 | ^Migs^ | wow, that's boring |
| 20:53.49 | emcnabb | what, the article? |
| 20:54.03 | ^Migs^ | Yes. |
| 20:54.14 | ^Migs^ | I never did care much for architectural history. |
| 20:54.16 | emcnabb | well, you two would be a good match then :-) |
| 20:54.56 | ^Migs^ | who? me and...? |
| 20:55.01 | emcnabb | the article |
| 20:55.14 | ^Migs^ | that...doesn't make....nm |
| 20:55.45 | emcnabb | you and the article are both _____ |
| 20:56.08 | ^Migs^ | o rly? |
| 20:58.52 | findlay | ~orly |
| 20:58.54 | ibot | YARLY |
| 20:59.03 | findlay | hm |
| 20:59.20 | findlay | ibot: you know everything |
| 21:08.55 | Jayce^ | http://www.computergear.com/docmycodtshi.html |
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| 21:26.44 | elg | ~poke nick125 |
| 21:26.47 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind nick125, pokes nick125 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:28.26 | redbeard1 | "hilarity ensues." i like that. |
| 21:28.40 | nick125 | elg: your with xmission in NM, right? |
| 21:33.39 | elg | ya |
| 21:34.53 | ^Migs^ | ~poke redbeard1 |
| 21:34.54 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind redbeard1, pokes redbeard1 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:35.09 | redbeard1 | ~perl ^Migs^ |
| 21:35.21 | redbeard1 | we need something for ~perl |
| 21:37.12 | ^Migs^ | yeah, something lame |
| 21:45.22 | redbeard1 | ~perl ^Migs^ |
| 21:45.23 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 21:45.44 | emcnabb | ~perl redbeard1 |
| 21:45.45 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 21:46.01 | redbeard1 | i like that |
| 21:47.11 | emcnabb | ~migs |
| 21:47.35 | redbeard1 | ~migs emcnabb |
| 21:48.57 | emcnabb | ~emcnabb |
| 21:48.58 | ibot | well, emcnabb is a 14|\/|3|2, or a closet windows user |
| 21:49.13 | emcnabb | ha |
| 21:49.58 | emcnabb | ~migs $jayce is <action> forces $jayce to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:50.00 | ibot | okay, emcnabb |
| 21:50.00 | findlay | windows in the closet? |
| 21:50.08 | emcnabb | ~migs findlay |
| 21:50.09 | ibot | ACTION forces findlay to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
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| 21:51.25 | emcnabb | ~jayce |
| 21:51.28 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 21:51.45 | redbeard1 | ~migs ^Migs^ |
| 21:51.47 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
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| 21:56.38 | findlay | ~mheath emcnabb |
| 21:56.39 | ibot | ACTION impresses emcnabb into the US military. Serve your country, dang it! |
| 21:57.15 | redbeard1 | ~buckybot findlay |
| 21:57.16 | ibot | findlay: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
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| 22:01.02 | redbeard1 | ~migs tristanbob |
| 22:01.03 | ibot | ACTION forces tristanbob to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 22:01.40 | tristanbob | redbeard1: huh? |
| 22:01.55 | redbeard1 | tristanbob: it just seemed like the right thing to say at the time. |
| 22:02.03 | findlay | ~shoot perl |
| 22:02.05 | ibot | ACTION shoots perl in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 22:02.12 | tristanbob | are you talking about me spamming the UTOS? |
| 22:02.13 | redbeard1 | ~perl findlay |
| 22:02.16 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 22:02.25 | redbeard1 | tristanbob: nah. you were just handy. |
| 22:02.28 | findlay | heh |
| 22:02.30 | findlay | ~perl |
| 22:02.31 | ibot | methinks perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 22:02.39 | redbeard1 | that's what you get for walking in when i'm paying attention. |
| 22:02.48 | tristanbob | I switched to Blogger Beta, and it caused that to happen |
| 22:03.08 | redbeard1 | ah, so that was it |
| 22:04.26 | tristanbob | so anyone on Blogger, beware! |
| 22:04.51 | redbeard1 | noted |
| 22:05.29 | tristanbob | "Caveat emptor - Blogger beware!" |
| 22:05.41 | elg_ | isn't that caveat blogtor? |
| 22:05.46 | elg_ | or caveat trogdor? |
| 22:05.52 | elg_ | dragon beware! |
| 22:05.55 | findlay | TROGDOR!1 |
| 22:06.03 | redbeard1 | ~trogdor elg_ |
| 22:06.30 | redbeard1 | ~trogdor elg_ |
| 22:06.31 | ibot | ACTION burninates elg_ |
| 22:07.10 | ^Migs^ | ~migs |
| 22:07.24 | ^Migs^ | ~migs everyone |
| 22:07.27 | ibot | ACTION forces everyone to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
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| 22:14.58 | dilvie | tristanbob: what about blogger beta? |
| 22:15.33 | dilvie | I haven't switched to blogger beta. I haven't found a good reason, yet. |
| 22:15.51 | dilvie | I'm not the least bit excited about their new template management system |
| 22:16.05 | dilvie | it looks like it's going to complicate things by trying to do too much. |
| 22:16.45 | mheath | Hmm. Anyone know a lot about radio? |
| 22:16.54 | mheath | (transceiving, not car radios and crap like that) |
| 22:18.15 | mheath | Well, incase anyone might know |
| 22:18.22 | ^Migs^ | what's the best RSS reader for Linux? |
| 22:18.39 | mheath | I brought some FRS & GMRS Handheld Radios |
| 22:18.47 | SB1-Work | That's like asking what distro is the best |
| 22:18.48 | ^Migs^ | I built a radio for a science fair project TWICE |
| 22:19.00 | ^Migs^ | okay, so which distro is the best? |
| 22:19.05 | mheath | To use with this sea cadet group that I work with as an adult leader |
| 22:19.06 | SB1-Work | easy, gentoo |
| 22:19.18 | mheath | The thing is, this weekend, we're going to be up at Camp Williams |
| 22:19.19 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: liferea |
| 22:19.31 | ^Migs^ | thanks, emcnabb |
| 22:19.40 | mheath | And I know that the security staff at Camp Williams uses two way radios to handle security |
| 22:19.45 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: that's what I use, and like it quite a bit |
| 22:20.15 | macnewbold | mheath: yeah, I know about radio |
| 22:20.18 | mheath | Is commercially available, hand-held two way radios from Circuity City likely to transmit on the same channels as military hand-held radios? |
| 22:20.18 | macnewbold | what did you want to know? |
| 22:20.23 | ^Migs^ | what are some good RSS feeds? |
| 22:20.41 | mheath | The ones I bought are FRS / GMRS mode radios |
| 22:21.04 | ^Migs^ | oh, you made a big mistake in buying those, mheath |
| 22:21.12 | macnewbold | mheath: FRS and GMRS are specific bands, with certain conditions and license requirements. I can almost guarantee that they don't use FRS or GMRS for their ops |
| 22:21.19 | ^Migs^ | I'm just kidding. I have no clue. |
| 22:21.21 | ^Migs^ | ~migs mheath |
| 22:21.22 | ibot | ACTION forces mheath to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 22:21.27 | macnewbold | the military gets plenty of bands all to themselves, so they wouldn't use those |
| 22:21.43 | mheath | FRS doesn't require licensing, thank god. |
| 22:21.49 | macnewbold | FRS is Family Radio Service, if I recall correctly, and has a range of up to about 2 miles with the limits on power |
| 22:21.59 | mheath | GMRS requires a license. More a tax, but FCC has to call it License so they can get away with taxing you. |
| 22:22.13 | macnewbold | GMRS can go up to about 5 miles, and requires a license that's like $70 for 5 years or something |
| 22:22.17 | nick125 | GMRS has a larger range |
| 22:22.30 | nick125 | macnewbold: I've seen some radios that claim to go 7+ miles |
| 22:22.40 | macnewbold | ham radio operators get a free license good for 10 years, renewable easily |
| 22:22.42 | mheath | nick125: 7+ miles is really, really common. |
| 22:22.50 | macnewbold | and can transmit around the world |
| 22:22.54 | mheath | You can get 10 mile radios for $19.95 at walmart now, nick125 |
| 22:23.01 | nick125 | yeah |
| 22:23.08 | mheath | The one I bought is 16 miles. |
| 22:23.11 | macnewbold | mheath, nick125: they claim that, but can't always deliver - it's only under pretty perfect conditions usually |
| 22:23.11 | nick125 | its kind of sad that the license costs more then the radio :/ |
| 22:23.30 | mheath | macnewbold, Thats why I got the 15 mile one |
| 22:23.32 | macnewbold | a GMRS license for $70 is good for 5 years, and valid for your whole family, IIRC |
| 22:23.42 | mheath | I knew I'd likely be able to get 10 miles on the 15 mile radio, but probably wouldn't get 10 miles on the 10 mile one. |
| 22:23.47 | macnewbold | mheath: right, so you can expect it to reliably work in the 5-7 mile range :) |
| 22:24.07 | mheath | Thats in the "high power mode" though |
| 22:24.16 | mheath | IE, the "battery draining" mode :P |
| 22:24.22 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:24.35 | nick125 | how long does the battery last in "battery draining" mode? |
| 22:24.56 | mheath | I haven't used them yet |
| 22:25.05 | nick125 | Ah |
| 22:25.12 | mheath | Other than to turn them on and make sure they work (wtih the radios 12 inches from each other) |
| 22:27.50 | ^Migs^ | XML Beans is pissing me off |
| 22:28.19 | ^Migs^ | I made two XML schemas that are IDENTICAL to each other in every way. XML Beans returns proper values for one on all get() methods, but null on the other's get() methods |
| 22:28.20 | ^Migs^ | seriously, wtf? |
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| 22:36.11 | redbeard1 | ~trogdor Jayce^ |
| 22:36.14 | ibot | ACTION burninates Jayce^ |
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| 23:13.35 | emcnabb | nice: there's street near our house called "Flippin Way" |
| 23:13.59 | emcnabb | "there's no flippin way you'll miss our street!" |
| 23:14.39 | maquis | emcnabb: lol |
| 23:15.05 | emcnabb | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Flippin+Way,+Apex,+NC+27539&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=35.704112,-78.80373&spn=0.024011,0.051069&om=1 |
| 23:27.05 | atoponce | emcnabb: you're in nc? |
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| 23:32.08 | emcnabb | atoponce: yup |
| 23:33.01 | atoponce | i've always enjoyed: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=toponce+drive,+evanston,+wy+82930&ie=UTF8&z=15&om=1&iwloc=addr |
| 23:33.32 | atoponce | supposedly, there's a toponce city or town or something, but i've never been able to find it |
| 23:37.02 | maquis | wow... i'm tired |
| 23:39.43 | redbeard1 | me too |
| 23:39.49 | redbeard1 | i blame wingers |
| 23:43.07 | tristanbob | dilvie: yes, I went to beta today |
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| 23:43.46 | tristanbob | and it caused the utah open source planet to show my last 20 posts - thus spamming it |
| 23:44.26 | redbeard1 | i must have missed that part |
| 23:44.46 | redbeard1 | i only saw the same post twice in a row from you, and i think that might have been yesterday |
| 23:45.19 | tristanbob | yes - that was my own doing - but today I had was taking up half the planet |
| 23:46.33 | tristanbob | looks like it is still that way... |
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| 23:48.09 | atoponce | ~lart tristanbob for spamming utah |
| 23:49.48 | tristanbob | I deserve it! I emailed Gabe to see if he could fix it |
| 23:50.04 | atoponce | :-)» |
| 23:50.07 | tristanbob | and I looked for some settings on Blogger to modify RSS feeds, but no luck |
| 23:50.30 | tristanbob | blogger beta is nice though |
| 23:50.38 | dilvie | tristanbob: oh, it must have marked all your old posts as updated in your xml feed |
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| 23:51.16 | Robertar | Hi, there. I have a quesiton |
| 23:52.06 | Robertar | I'm trying to install grub on my external hard drive so I can boot directly to it. My laptop (and all the lab machines here on campus) all support USB booting. can anyone please help me? |
| 23:54.19 | dilvie | Robertar: what's the probleM? |
| 23:54.44 | dilvie | what distro are you using? |
| 23:55.14 | Robertar | Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft |
| 23:55.37 | dilvie | not familiar with that distro |
| 23:56.12 | dilvie | but if I were doing it with debian, I'd just do a regular OS install onto the USB drive |
| 23:56.31 | dilvie | are there any serious issues that would prevent that? |
| 23:56.46 | Robertar | That's what I did, and it works, minus the grub part |
| 23:57.00 | Robertar | ie. If I install grub to my internal HDs MBR, it boots fine and works |
| 23:57.18 | dilvie | but it doesn't on your USB drive? |
| 23:57.20 | Robertar | If I install grub to the external's MBR (which is what I want, so it'll be portable) it doesn't work |
| 23:57.42 | maquis | can't you just use grub-install? |
| 23:57.42 | Robertar | The idea is to have a portable USB HD, that I can plug into any USB bootable x86 computer and boot from |
| 23:57.46 | Robertar | tried |
| 23:57.55 | maquis | what didn't work about grub-install? |
| 23:58.08 | Robertar | it works, but then grub gives error 22 |
| 23:58.14 | maquis | what's error 22? |
| 23:58.18 | Robertar | err. 22 is something like 'partition not found' or some such |
| 23:58.55 | maquis | did you check the grub.conf (or menu.lst) to ensure that it's correct? |
| 23:59.37 | Robertar | Now we're getting somewhere.... :-) Yes, I've looked at grub.conf, but I can't see anything wrong with it |
| 23:59.42 | dilvie | hmm.. is it expecting to find your home machine's internal partitions? |
| 23:59.54 | maquis | Robertar: you want to pastebin it or something? |