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| 00:08.27 | Mystery_Mark | This girl wanted me to read a post from her blog on blogspot.com, she said I couldn't read it again and that she would know because she watches the counter |
| 00:08.29 | Mystery_Mark | LOL |
| 00:08.41 | lukfugl | heh |
| 00:09.13 | Mystery_Mark | It makes me laugh thinking that people think a public page is private |
| 00:09.34 | Keighvin | Hence all the wonderful Fark articles regarding MySpace. |
| 00:09.50 | Keighvin | Or rather, Fark commentary regarding articles to which it links. |
| 00:14.24 | Mystery_Mark | i had downloading from ubuntu servers. |
| 00:14.30 | Mystery_Mark | takes forever. |
| 00:14.48 | Mystery_Mark | though watching the downloader intently doesn't help either |
| 00:16.03 | Keighvin | progress bar = watched pot |
| 00:16.19 | Keighvin | Slow moving torrents are the same way. |
| 00:19.11 | Mystery_Mark | I have given up on torrents |
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| 00:50.36 | findlay | can anybody help me make sense of this Makefile: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5E1SUR76.html |
| 00:52.27 | emcnabb | ~sense findlay |
| 00:52.39 | findlay | emcnabb: you're supposed to know |
| 00:52.52 | emcnabb | what do you mean by "make sense"? |
| 00:53.12 | findlay | it seems to have some tacit functionality |
| 00:53.27 | findlay | like observe how there is no default target? |
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| 01:07.21 | emcnabb | findlay: not sure |
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| 01:12.59 | rsimpkins | what is nupm all about tonight? |
| 01:13.44 | Jayce^ | hoser |
| 01:13.49 | Jayce^ | nupm is one-liners |
| 01:16.48 | mrpull-lt | doh... I'm in LA. I won't be there either. |
| 01:17.32 | Tene | So, do I want an intel graphics card on my new laptop or nvidia? |
| 01:18.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Intel has open-source* drivers, NV doesn't |
| 01:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | * = not really |
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| 01:18.53 | Tene | full-of-lies drivers? |
| 01:19.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They released a driver that will work, GPL'd it and all |
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| 01:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But it has optional binary blobs that it'll accept |
| 01:20.12 | Tene | ScytheBlade1: are they *good* drivers? |
| 01:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene, the Intel ones? Yes |
| 01:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The NV ones? Yes |
| 01:21.44 | Tene | Bah. You're no help, jerk. |
| 01:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I use the NV on this box |
| 01:21.50 | emcnabb | hey, it's "jakey baby" |
| 01:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Love them to death, they perform equally as well on windows |
| 01:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | To give you an idea of their quality |
| 01:22.05 | Tene | Start being more helpful or... uh... I'll be less helped. |
| 01:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want 3D functions, NV. |
| 01:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | If you don't care, Intel. |
| 01:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, they'll both give you hardware accel |
| 01:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | But NV is *made* to do hardware accel, Intel is there to get the job done and little else |
| 01:23.24 | Tene | are the intel drivers included in recent kernels? |
| 01:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be, yeah |
| 01:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 01:24.50 | emcnabb | I work with NVIDIA daily; besides the whole free vs. non-free debate, their drivers are the best out there |
| 01:25.26 | Tene | Out of curiousity, are the intel drivers free enough to satisfy your typical rabid zealot? |
| 01:25.32 | emcnabb | they work extremely hard to make their drivers Linux friendly |
| 01:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene, yes |
| 01:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But do heed emcnabb's words there... the NV drivers are nothing short of amazing |
| 01:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No matter how closed-source that they are |
| 01:26.15 | Tene | And how do the intel driver and the open-source nv driver compare? |
| 01:26.19 | emcnabb | ScytheBlade1: has Intel officially released their new drivers? |
| 01:26.24 | Tene | I'm mainly just curious here. |
| 01:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, they have |
| 01:26.26 | emcnabb | I remember they announced it |
| 01:26.29 | emcnabb | ah, ok |
| 01:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene, they're made to do different things.. NV is made to really do rendering, Intel is there to support Google Earth. |
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| 01:27.24 | emcnabb | I'd like to give them a shot some day, but I'm poor |
| 01:27.25 | Tene | Hmm. Looks like everyone is saying nvidia. I guess I'll go with nvidia. |
| 01:27.51 | Tene | unless the price difference somehow ends up being significant in some way. |
| 01:27.57 | emcnabb | Tene: I just don't have experience with the new Intel drivers - they could be great |
| 01:28.16 | emcnabb | one thing to remember is you have to deal with the pain of having an out-of-kernel driver |
| 01:28.25 | emcnabb | so it's a pain when you do kernel upgrades, etc |
| 01:28.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 01:28.45 | Tene | Yeah, that's one of the major things I was considering. |
| 01:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily, updating the driver is literally as easy at ./NV[tab][tab][enter] |
| 01:28.50 | emcnabb | with the prop. NVIDIA driver |
| 01:28.55 | Tene | I mean, I don't really plan on playing games on this laptop... |
| 01:29.05 | emcnabb | Tene: that's the same with me |
| 01:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html |
| 01:29.31 | emcnabb | ScytheBlade1: cool |
| 01:29.50 | emcnabb | well, time to prep for seminary |
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| 01:33.09 | redbeard2 | why aren't all you people at plug, oron your way there? |
| 01:33.19 | redbeard2 | s/oron/or on/ |
| 01:33.36 | emcnabb | redbeard2: here I come! |
| 01:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I live in South Jordan? |
| 01:33.50 | rsimpkins | I am working. :( then I have to go home and help my wife since she is sick. :( |
| 01:33.58 | emcnabb | Because I live in North Carolina? |
| 01:34.25 | rsimpkins | excuses excluses... everyone has one, and they all ____ |
| 01:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, that's weak |
| 01:35.20 | redbeard2 | i used to go to plug when i lived in magna |
| 01:35.20 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: you're forgiven. |
| 01:35.20 | redbeard2 | this time. |
| 01:35.20 | redbeard2 | emcnabb... well... |
| 01:35.20 | redbeard2 | ~lart emcnabb |
| 01:35.44 | emcnabb | ~defend emcnabb |
| 01:35.46 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of emcnabb, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward emcnabb so that emcnabb may live on in peace and quiet |
| 01:36.06 | emcnabb | ibot: you're always there for me |
| 01:37.06 | Tene | Hmm... 17" screen seems a bit large for a laptop. |
| 01:37.40 | emcnabb | my laptop is 15" 1600x1200 - not too big, but great resolution |
| 01:37.50 | emcnabb | still lightweight |
| 01:38.19 | emcnabb | of course all other monitors in my house are absolutely horrible |
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| 01:54.33 | Tene | Bah, a 17-inch comes out about the same price as a 15-inch. |
| 01:58.08 | emcnabb | who are you looking to buy it from? |
| 01:58.53 | Tene | This is through... Synnex in turn through Techdata, or possibly the other way around. |
| 01:59.05 | Tene | I'm looking at barebones stuff with my father's reseller account. |
| 02:00.36 | emcnabb | ah |
| 02:00.43 | Tene | If you have any suggestions, they'd be quite appreciated. |
| 02:01.36 | Tene | My old laptop is rather dead, and will take several order part, test cycles to be fixed, and I'm leaving on a two-week trip in a week. |
| 02:03.29 | emcnabb | my laptop is what I use for 98% of what I do, so I made sure it was decked out |
| 02:04.00 | emcnabb | high-res screen was a must, got a big drive in it too (160GB) |
| 02:04.57 | emcnabb | I'm not a fan of the semi-desktop laptops |
| 02:05.06 | emcnabb | weight was important |
| 02:05.16 | emcnabb | or lack thereof :-) |
| 02:05.35 | emcnabb | I guess I don't have anything good to say :-) |
| 02:06.01 | Tene | Where did you get yours from? |
| 02:06.32 | emcnabb | it's a Thinkpad, got it from IBM/Lenovo directly |
| 02:06.45 | emcnabb | I got lucky and got an employee disconut |
| 02:06.48 | emcnabb | discount |
| 02:07.09 | Tene | I don't have any blackmail on IBM/Lenovo employees, unfortunately. |
| 02:07.37 | vontrapp | ~dsconut is emcnabb dances disco like a nut on thursdays |
| 02:07.38 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 02:07.39 | Tene | I was looking at them earlier today, but there were choices and things I was confused about. |
| 02:07.48 | vontrapp | d'oh |
| 02:07.52 | Tene | Heh |
| 02:07.53 | vontrapp | ~disconut is emcnabb dances disco like a nut on thursdays |
| 02:07.54 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 02:08.18 | emcnabb | ~disconut |
| 02:08.19 | ibot | i guess disconut is emcnabb dances disco like a nut on thursdays |
| 02:08.31 | Tene | ibot, no, disconut is <reply> emcnabb dances disco like a nut on thursdays. |
| 02:08.32 | ibot | Tene: okay |
| 02:08.39 | Tene | ibot, forget dsconut |
| 02:08.39 | ibot | i forgot dsconut, Tene |
| 02:11.06 | Tene | what model is it, emcnabb? |
| 02:11.14 | emcnabb | I have a T43 |
| 02:11.22 | emcnabb | T43p to be exact |
| 02:11.34 | emcnabb | Type 2668 |
| 02:12.10 | Tene | IS it, perhaps, a "Perfect balance of performance and portability"? |
| 02:13.19 | Tene | Oh, right, that's why I disregarded lenovo. They say that they'll ship in 8-10 business days, and I'm leaving a week from today. |
| 02:14.38 | emcnabb | it is... |
| 02:14.46 | emcnabb | that stinks |
| 02:17.06 | Tene | Otherwise, this looks very nice. |
| 02:17.55 | emcnabb | one thing is you may want to get something nice even if you have to wait; it may be worth it |
| 02:19.06 | Tene | Yeah, and normally I'd be just fine with that, but it would be awkward for a few reasons to be in that situation. |
| 02:19.39 | emcnabb | can you borrow one from someone? |
| 02:19.47 | emcnabb | sorry to intrude in your life :-) |
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| 02:20.50 | Tene | Oh, not intruding at all. |
| 02:21.38 | Tene | I dunno, you feel like loaning me yours? |
| 02:21.44 | emcnabb | haha, sorry :-) |
| 02:21.47 | Tene | ;) |
| 02:22.49 | Tene | I would have had time had I done this originally, but at the time, I still thought repair would be pretty simple, so I didn't worry. |
| 02:23.43 | Tene | Theoretically I could repeatedly steal my host's laptop, but that would be quite rude, and not very feasible. |
| 02:24.46 | Tene | I could have it shipped out there instead of here and just be missing completely from work for a few days instead of just less available. |
| 02:25.19 | emcnabb | tough call |
| 02:25.27 | emcnabb | where are you going? |
| 02:25.56 | Tene | philcon, in philadelphia |
| 02:26.03 | emcnabb | cool |
| 02:26.17 | Tene | I'm going out early and staying after for a while to stay with a friend, and then going out to NYC to visit my sister. |
| 02:26.23 | Tene | Over Thanksgiving |
| 02:28.55 | Tene | Hmm. It's giving me a choice between Intel PRO/Wireless and Thinkpad Wireless. |
| 02:29.08 | emcnabb | go with Intel ProWireless |
| 02:29.21 | emcnabb | it uses the ipw2200 driver, which is well supported |
| 02:29.31 | emcnabb | 04:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 02:30.00 | Tene | Thanks. |
| 02:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I have that same card in my router |
| 02:36.00 | emcnabb | you need the firmware installed, but it works great overall |
| 02:36.17 | emcnabb | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:42.49 | Tene | Opinions on intel vs. amd? |
| 02:44.20 | emcnabb | I think either should be fine, but for laptops I've always gone with Intel (for workstations / servers I've usually used AMD). Of course, my opinion isn't based on many facts |
| 02:44.54 | emcnabb | several of my friends had AMD laptops that sucked power back in the day, but I'm sure it's better now |
| 02:45.06 | Tene | 'kay |
| 02:45.17 | Tene | opinions on 32-bit vs. 64-bit? |
| 02:46.22 | emcnabb | I'd go with 64-bit, but it really shouldn't matter on a laptop |
| 02:46.42 | emcnabb | but boy does x86 suck on large servers :-) |
| 02:46.52 | Tene | Heh. |
| 02:47.05 | emcnabb | I'd also want a dual core, and hardware virtualization would be a must for a new laptop |
| 02:47.07 | mheath | Good evening. |
| 02:47.12 | emcnabb | of course you'll end up paying more |
| 02:47.17 | Tene | The barebones stuff listed here doesn't have the Core 2 Duo available |
| 02:47.24 | emcnabb | for the T43? |
| 02:47.40 | Tene | No, this barebones system information I'm looking at elsewhere |
| 02:47.44 | emcnabb | ah |
| 02:47.54 | Tene | While it's shown as an option everywhere else I look. |
| 02:48.02 | emcnabb | mheath: go on a long, long run |
| 02:48.46 | mheath | emcnabb: 6 miles :) |
| 02:49.16 | emcnabb | make it a march to Canada |
| 02:50.06 | mheath | ~lart emcnabb |
| 02:50.39 | emcnabb | Tene: my next laptop's criteria (even though I've only had this one for a year), is dual core, 64-bit, hardware virtualization, plus the traditional nice screen, good battery life, light-weight, etc |
| 02:50.45 | emcnabb | man, I'm picky :-) |
| 02:50.47 | mheath | I've already promised to not bring up the thing you seem to have a problem; if you want to make childish comments regardless, do so on your own time. |
| 02:50.49 | emcnabb | mheath: cool |
| 02:51.07 | mheath | s/problem/problem with/g |
| 02:51.37 | emcnabb | I was just saying you'd get some good exercise |
| 02:51.40 | Tene | erm... isn't this already his own time? |
| 02:51.42 | emcnabb | Canada is a long ways away |
| 02:51.55 | emcnabb | mheath: geez, you get offended easily |
| 02:52.30 | emcnabb | Tene: I'm off to bed, but good luck finding what you want |
| 02:52.41 | Tene | Thanks, emcnabb. |
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| 02:53.51 | emcnabb | http://xark.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/internets.jpg |
| 02:56.36 | tubbybubba | emcnabb, I guess the lines on that image represent "tubes" |
| 02:56.57 | emcnabb | tubbybubba: yeah, that's how I understand it |
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| 02:57.23 | Tene | Eww. Rebates. |
| 02:57.43 | Sargun | :-? |
| 02:57.44 | emcnabb | ~onjoin Sargun |
| 02:57.44 | ibot | onjoin for sargun set by sargun on Mon Nov 6 19:10:16 2006: $date is another day without a date, right Sargun? |
| 02:57.48 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:57.50 | Sargun | I set it |
| 02:58.09 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath |
| 02:58.09 | ibot | onjoin for mheath set by sargun on Mon Nov 6 20:04:20 2006: It's $date, and your still not in any government organization whose job it is to kill people! |
| 02:58.10 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath[laptop] |
| 02:58.20 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath[laptop] It's $date, and your still not in any government organization whose job it is to kill people! |
| 02:58.20 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
| 02:58.23 | Sargun | much better. |
| 02:58.36 | Sargun | Its my "demotivator" |
| 03:02.02 | atoponce | ~w00t |
| 03:02.04 | ibot | w00t!!! |
| 03:02.13 | Tene | ibot: autowoot |
| 03:02.17 | atoponce | mail server up *finally* |
| 03:02.26 | Tene | ibot: woot |
| 03:02.28 | ibot | i guess woot is a way cool cat with some nice headspace, or wishes for nitwits to quit fucking up his description, or a description fascist, or a geek, or an ANU student and programmer (http://cbis.anu.edu.au/), or a crack whore |
| 03:03.26 | atoponce | and /me isn't fond of ibot's choice of adjectives in that recent definition |
| 03:04.02 | Tene | cool? |
| 03:04.07 | Tene | nice? |
| 03:04.39 | Tene | those are the only adjectives I see... |
| 03:05.57 | Tene | try "words", it's general enough to get by in most situations. |
| 03:06.02 | Tene | That's what I usually use. |
| 03:08.16 | mheath | Sargun: Wrong. |
| 03:08.30 | Sargun | Your in? |
| 03:08.35 | mheath | Yes. |
| 03:08.51 | mheath | But I said I wasn't going to discuss anything related to the military anymore. |
| 03:09.10 | mheath | If people want me to actually do that, they should try not provoking me into it now. |
| 03:09.16 | mheath | ibot: onjoin -mheath |
| 03:09.16 | ibot | ok, mheath |
| 03:09.38 | mheath | Bah, distractions |
| 03:09.53 | emcnabb | I thought he had a bad knee |
| 03:09.59 | emcnabb | 6 miles is a long way |
| 03:10.15 | emcnabb | enjoy your run! |
| 03:10.40 | mheath | emcnabb: I had a knee injury. Months ago now. |
| 03:11.13 | mheath | And a suspicion that I had a bad genetic condition, but that got cleared. |
| 03:11.23 | emcnabb | running is one of the worse activities on knees, but oh well |
| 03:11.56 | emcnabb | I know people who have had knee injuries that have plagued them for years |
| 03:12.11 | mheath | thats right, I was going to put you on ignore. |
| 03:12.18 | emcnabb | mheath: don't forget |
| 03:12.27 | emcnabb | it's /ignore *emcnabb* |
| 03:12.28 | mheath | Done. |
| 03:13.15 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.24 | mheath | I usually don't care about uptime much, but I'm proud |
| 03:13.37 | mheath | longest I've had a personal system online, i think :) |
| 03:17.45 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:18.24 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:27.45 | Chadbryant | hi all |
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| 03:52.40 | Sargun | Chadbryant, Hello sir. |
| 03:52.47 | Chadbryant | hi |
| 03:53.32 | Sargun | how are you? |
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| 03:58.07 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: onjoin -mheath |
| 03:58.07 | ibot | mheath[laptop]: ok |
| 03:59.56 | Chadbryant | I'm foing OK |
| 04:00.12 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:00.18 | Sargun | foing? |
| 04:01.46 | Chadbryant | heh |
| 04:01.48 | Chadbryant | doing |
| 04:01.53 | Chadbryant | stupid HP keyboard |
| 04:03.13 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:03.23 | Sargun | Lenovo/IBM FTW |
| 04:04.19 | mheath[laptop] | Chadbryant, My compaq laptop has some problems... |
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| 04:09.37 | Chadbryant | I just need to get a real keyboard |
| 04:10.56 | mheath[laptop] | Time to hit the rack. Good night. |
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| 04:12.00 | Keighvin | Word up, y'all. |
| 04:12.51 | Keighvin | Sargun, how are the academic frustrations? |
| 04:12.56 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 04:12.58 | Sargun | Great. |
| 04:13.22 | Sargun | I contacted the counselour at the local state school. |
| 04:13.29 | Sargun | She said to apply via the normal pathways |
| 04:14.17 | Keighvin | What does that mean time-wise? |
| 04:15.49 | mheath | hah, again with the "get out of highschool ASAP and start college" idea. |
| 04:16.23 | Keighvin | mheath: bite me, it works for some of us. |
| 04:17.36 | Keighvin | HS focuses very little on real academic development. It introduces a regimine of small scale responsibility and wrote data storage. |
| 04:17.50 | mheath | Keighvin: I know. I got out of highschool early. |
| 04:17.57 | mheath | And now regard that to be a really stupid choice. |
| 04:18.15 | Keighvin | Sorry, there's not much context - your commentsseemed conescending. |
| 04:18.35 | Keighvin | Perhaps for you it was. |
| 04:18.58 | mheath | Sargun: Do you get perfect grades? Straight A's? |
| 04:19.07 | Sargun | No... |
| 04:19.08 | Keighvin | HS provided almost no value for me - I was glad to see it go. |
| 04:19.21 | Keighvin | And my grades were atrocious. |
| 04:19.27 | Sargun | mheath, What is the point of high school? |
| 04:19.41 | mheath | Keighvin: Sargun seems to be under the impression that starting at a junior college is going to be so much more though provoking and worthwhile than highschool. |
| 04:19.46 | Sargun | Other than to learn, which there are many many better, more efficient ways of doing. |
| 04:19.48 | mheath | *thought |
| 04:19.57 | Keighvin | Sargun: learning basic time management and accountability. |
| 04:20.01 | Sargun | State College. |
| 04:20.07 | mheath | Sargun: Social development. Accountability. Time Management. |
| 04:20.14 | mheath | And, above all, the ability to BE A KID for a little while longer |
| 04:20.24 | Sargun | I hate being a kid. |
| 04:20.25 | mheath | Go and have some fun without having to worry about the things adults out on their own worry about. |
| 04:20.27 | Keighvin | Accountability and time management are pretty easy skills to come by. |
| 04:20.32 | mheath | Sargun: Haha. |
| 04:20.44 | mheath | Sargun: let me share a quote with you, from this new Mark Twain quotes book I picked up |
| 04:21.08 | Sargun | ok. |
| 04:21.19 | Keighvin | HS does little for social skills than introduce a nasty joke and th hypersensitive amygdal developmnt. |
| 04:21.36 | mheath | Sargun: "Never a man nor a boy ever things the age he has is exactly the best one - he puts the right age a few years older or a few years younger than he is." |
| 04:21.42 | mheath | s/things/thinks/g |
| 04:21.51 | Sargun | ok. |
| 04:21.53 | Keighvin | And mheath: do keep in mind that where you may have some experience here, it doesn't necessarily amount to wisdom at only age 17. |
| 04:22.37 | Sargun | mheath, Didn't you do the whole graduate high school early thing? |
| 04:22.37 | mheath | Keighvin: I know |
| 04:22.51 | mheath | Sargun: Yes, and like I said, I now regard that to be a dumb choice. |
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| 04:23.21 | Keighvin | HS really doesn't work for people - especially those who utilize right-side abstract tendencies for learning, who are disinterested or even offended by the feeling of pervasive busywork. |
| 04:23.49 | mheath | Sargun: Are you sick and tired of having to put up with stupid, waste-of-time homework and assignments? Is that why you want out? |
| 04:24.05 | Keighvin | Sargun: I also did, and don't see it that way; I'd never be where I am today had I not. |
| 04:25.17 | Sargun | mheath, one of the reasons. |
| 04:25.38 | mheath | "In cases where a Cabinet officer refuses to resign and will not be removed; may we not put a barell of powder under him and blast him from his position? The thing looks feasible to me. It is expeditious, unostentatious, and singularly effective." |
| 04:25.42 | mheath | haha |
| 04:25.50 | mheath | Sargun: Then your choices are bad. |
| 04:26.07 | mheath | I hate to tell you this, but your hatred of homework does not make you somewhere more wise or more ready to move on than everyone else |
| 04:26.19 | mheath | Your desire to look for anyway around it just expresses extreme laziness. |
| 04:26.31 | mheath | Your simply too lazy to do the work everyone else does, because you think you're too smart to do it. |
| 04:26.37 | Keighvin | mheath: Your limited experience does not entitle you to dictate the expected situations of others. |
| 04:27.15 | Keighvin | Especially the projective use of the 2nd person, assuming iron-clad application of that short-sighted concpt. |
| 04:27.35 | mheath | Sargun: and, guess what? The same homework, wasting the same time, is going to be there in college. |
| 04:28.29 | Keighvin | mheath: He did indicate, in diminuative language, that it was only part of the consideration. |
| 04:28.47 | Keighvin | calling him lazy is an offensively condescending attitude. |
| 04:28.52 | Keighvin | AKA, bite me. |
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| 04:29.43 | mheath | Keighvin: Ok? |
| 04:30.13 | mheath | Sargun: My point is, you could be loosing 2 of the best years of your life by trying to graduate so early (or 1 year, whatever the case may be) |
| 04:30.29 | mheath | Whereas you have little if nothing to lose, in the longrun, by finishing off highschool in the normal way. |
| 04:30.42 | Sargun | 2.5 years |
| 04:32.33 | mheath | You seem obsessed by girls, for one thing |
| 04:32.43 | mheath | Where do you meet the girls you're interested in? |
| 04:32.45 | mheath | At school? |
| 04:32.58 | mheath | You're not going to be meeting any girls at school if you're 15 and attending college. |
| 04:33.54 | mheath | Another area I have experience in, too: Your expectations don't always work out the way you plan |
| 04:34.20 | mheath | Its best to have a backup. What happens if you get tired of college, or don't want to do it anymore, or can't pay for it? |
| 04:34.30 | mheath | Then you're an unemployed highschool dropout. |
| 04:34.31 | Keighvin | ibot: mheath is also a Rick Romero protege |
| 04:34.33 | ibot | ACTION impresses is also a Rick Romero protege into the US military. Serve your country, dang it! |
| 04:34.53 | mheath | Wow. Thats a bit...broken. |
| 04:35.16 | Keighvin | ~blame mheath |
| 04:35.18 | ibot | ACTION blames mheath (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:35.56 | Keighvin | mheath: some of us find employment OK. |
| 04:36.18 | mheath | Keighvin: Some of us find a well paying, self-supporting job at 16 years old/ |
| 04:36.19 | mheath | ? |
| 04:36.38 | Keighvin | Yessir I did, thank you. |
| 04:36.48 | mheath | Sargun: if you're like I was at the time, you won't care about a word I'm saying |
| 04:36.58 | mheath | I just hope I can impress on you to think it over some more. |
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| 04:38.24 | mheath | The one thing thats annoying about this Mark Twains quote book.... |
| 04:38.40 | mheath | It ALWAYS uses "&" instead of "and" and I find it hard to believe that Mark Twain wrote like that |
| 04:38.42 | Keighvin | mheath: perhaps it is arrogant to believe he is not... |
| 04:38.59 | Sargun | mheath, Any decent girl I've met was out of my school. |
| 04:39.16 | Keighvin | mheath: if you had to write everything with a pen, and were prolific, you might make a few shortcuts too. |
| 04:39.32 | Sargun | And whats wrong with 22 year old girls? |
| 04:39.50 | mheath | Keighvin: Yes, but do you really think he wrote like "& he is envied by some spectators & by & by imitated" |
| 04:40.47 | Keighvin | That and the & symbol is actually the Latin "et," and carries zsome literary weight. |
| 04:41.17 | elg_ | mheath: why not |
| 04:41.34 | mheath | Keighvin: Yes, which makes me think that he didn't use it that much even more |
| 04:42.00 | mheath | because if we assume that he used it correctly to mean "et," rather than to mean simply "and", then usages like the one I quoted are completely wrong |
| 04:42.18 | mheath | spectators et, by et, by imitated makes no sense. |
| 04:42.57 | mheath | And Mark Twain, while posessing some often speaking with a country style venacular, was usually gramatically correct. |
| 04:43.18 | mheath | wow.. |
| 04:43.41 | mheath | *And Mark Twain, while often speaking with a country style venacular, was usually gramatically correct. |
| 04:44.20 | mheath | OK, I'm heading to bed. I want to read some more quotes, and start on Flags of our Fathers |
| 04:45.22 | Keighvin | You can use et anywhere you would use and, it's just less common. And still grammatically correc.t |
| 04:45.58 | Keighvin | Iths also used as a separate abbreviation foe etc. - &c. |
| 04:47.44 | Keighvin | But I'm going to stick more with the "shortcut during longhand" option. |
| 04:48.27 | Keighvin | Mr. Clemens hated the typewriter (though admitedly it was a pretty awful contraption in its first few iterations) |
| 04:50.11 | Keighvin | And I'm out. |
| 04:50.16 | Keighvin | ~tick |
| 04:50.19 | ibot | SPOON! |
| 05:24.45 | maquis | when pompeii was destroyed, did its downfall cause the downfall of any other civilizations? |
| 05:26.56 | Sargun | probably |
| 05:28.46 | findlay | when will the downfall of #utah be? |
| 05:29.29 | Sargun | in the near future |
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| 05:31.37 | Mystery_Mark | Sitting on a washer while on a laptop makes me feel so wonderful inside. |
| 05:31.50 | Mystery_Mark | one of lifes little pleasures. |
| 05:36.04 | Tene | yay |
| 05:36.13 | Tene | Hmm... can't find a fedora net-install iso. |
| 05:38.01 | Tene | oh, there it is. |
| 05:46.54 | Tene | Hmm. How are nvidia drivers on x85_64? |
| 05:46.56 | Tene | erm |
| 05:46.59 | Tene | x86_64 |
| 05:47.32 | Mystery_Mark | they do alright |
| 05:55.27 | Tene | Hmm. Need to decide how to partition this drive. |
| 05:57.55 | Sargun | LVM! |
| 05:57.59 | Sargun | (LVM2!) |
| 05:59.21 | Tene | Stable release of distro, or testing version of next release of distro? |
| 06:02.50 | Chadbryant | I have Ubuntu running on an HP system - Celeron 633 w/ 192 MB RAM |
| 06:03.12 | Chadbryant | I'm wondering if it's worth it to upgrade the RAM, since the machine only supports 256MB |
| 06:07.36 | Sargun | Celery! |
| 06:08.49 | nick125 | haha |
| 06:13.42 | Chadbryant | it's been a very solid machine for me |
| 06:14.38 | Sargun | How much money are you looking at spending on that RAM upgrade? |
| 06:14.42 | Sargun | and what type of RAM does it have? |
| 06:14.46 | Sargun | and hard drive |
| 06:16.23 | Chadbryant | PC100 RAM, two 40GB drives |
| 06:26.57 | findlay | Tene: don't need an iso, just the anaconda files |
| 06:28.52 | findlay | cd /boot && wget http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/6/x86_64/os/isolinux/* |
| 06:29.15 | findlay | add an entry to grub and reboot |
| 06:48.34 | maquis | wow... i didn't know amazon had e-cards.... |
| 06:56.02 | Sargun | wow. |
| 06:56.09 | Sargun | I've used those so many times |
| 06:56.09 | findlay | wow. |
| 06:56.17 | Sargun | I always use those |
| 06:56.24 | Sargun | for presents |
| 06:56.34 | findlay | and spamming accounts |
| 06:56.39 | Sargun | yeah, that too. |
| 06:57.38 | findlay | I knew it |
| 06:58.52 | Sargun | I have the weirdest luck ever. |
| 06:59.00 | findlay | ~luck Sargun |
| 06:59.06 | Sargun | random.random |
| 06:59.09 | findlay | (nothing) |
| 06:59.20 | findlay | ibot says you have no luck |
| 07:01.57 | Tene | findlay: has win on it right now |
| 07:02.20 | Tene | taking a long time to download stage2.img |
| 07:03.51 | findlay | Tene: there's a way to do it with windows, but I forgot having never used it |
| 07:04.04 | findlay | saves you a CDR |
| 07:04.22 | Tene | yeah |
| 07:04.37 | Tene | I don't care enough, though. |
| 07:05.15 | Tene | how large is stage2.img? |
| 07:05.31 | Tene | (on phone right now) |
| 07:08.17 | findlay | what's stage2.img? |
| 07:09.21 | Tene | part of the install image. the net install downloads it. |
| 07:09.51 | findlay | oh, it's like 80M |
| 07:10.03 | Tene | hmm... |
| 07:10.11 | findlay | yeah, it always takes forever |
| 07:10.31 | findlay | stage2.img 17-Oct-2006 20:18 78M |
| 07:10.35 | Tene | kk. thanks. |
| 07:30.39 | Tene | I still really wish the fedora installer gave you a shell during the install. |
| 07:36.17 | findlay | <ctrl><alt><F2> |
| 07:46.46 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 07:47.17 | Sargun | Good night! |
| 07:47.26 | findlay | Good afternoon. |
| 07:48.19 | findlay | now to resume the ultimate music backup project in history |
| 07:49.15 | Supaplex | so you're the one backing up all the worlds music w/o charge or obligation eh? |
| 07:49.39 | levi_home | findlay: How many CDs? |
| 07:49.39 | findlay | no, just mine, which may or may not be bigger actually |
| 07:49.49 | Sargun | heh |
| 07:49.59 | findlay | last time I counted it was in the 930s range |
| 07:50.09 | findlay | all classical |
| 07:50.12 | Sargun | levi_home, Findlay uses records last I checked :-P |
| 07:53.24 | Tene | findlay: not before stage2.img is downloaded. still downloading... perhaps I should use the UofU mirror instead of Xmission? |
| 07:53.57 | findlay | it's been flaky for me before. I've never figured out why |
| 07:54.21 | Tene | think I should try another mirror? |
| 07:54.28 | findlay | don't know |
| 07:54.46 | findlay | unfortunatly it gives you no status as to what's going on network wise |
| 07:54.59 | Tene | you're not going to magically solve all of my problems? jerk. |
| 07:55.07 | Tene | yeah |
| 07:55.25 | findlay | Tene: you want to give me a 400 Gb hard drive |
| 07:56.05 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 07:56.11 | Sargun | ibot, random |
| 07:56.23 | Sargun | ibot, $random |
| 07:56.31 | Sargun | nevermind |
| 07:56.43 | findlay | ibot: nevermind |
| 07:59.17 | Sargun | findlay, you keep confusing ibot |
| 07:59.21 | Sargun | ibot, die |
| 07:59.22 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 07:59.25 | Sargun | ibot, kill $PID |
| 07:59.27 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited electron gun at $PID |
| 07:59.33 | Sargun | ibot, What is murphy's law? |
| 07:59.35 | ibot | Sargun: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:00.01 | Sargun | ibot, murphy's law is the idea that everything that can go wrong, will go wrong |
| 08:00.02 | ibot | ...but murphy's law is already something else... |
| 08:00.12 | Sargun | ibot, murphy's law |
| 08:00.13 | ibot | In a voice like thunder, Edward A. Murphy proclaimed, "If there are two or more ways to do something and one of those results in catastrophe, then someone will do it that way." This is the True and Original version of Murphy's Law. (see Finagle's Law) |
| 08:00.28 | Sargun | ibot, Finangle's law |
| 08:18.25 | findlay | ibot: findlay's law |
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| 12:26.39 | emcnabb | morning all |
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| 14:14.12 | goozbach | ok so I must have been living under a rock |
| 14:14.26 | goozbach | what is "Wireless-N"? |
| 14:14.37 | goozbach | I found it all over bestbuy last night |
| 14:14.49 | goozbach | I hadn't even heard of it before then |
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| 14:34.22 | jsmith | goozbach: You have been living under a rock! |
| 14:34.40 | emcnabb | I always knew goozbach was a troll |
| 14:35.39 | goozbach | looks like it's not finilized as a standard yet |
| 14:35.53 | goozbach | what business does it have on a retail shelf? |
| 14:36.14 | goozbach | emcnabb: you're just discovering this NOW? |
| 14:37.51 | emcnabb | no, just confirming what I believed :-) |
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| 14:52.36 | graphyx | Dude, you have been able to purchase retail pre-n wireless equipment for like 2.5 years... |
| 14:52.48 | graphyx | And the standard hasn't been finalized yet. |
| 14:53.27 | goozbach | 2.5 years?! |
| 14:53.33 | goozbach | what is today's date? |
| 14:53.35 | goozbach | ~date |
| 14:53.36 | ibot | It is now 2006.11.09 14:53:36 GMT |
| 14:53.57 | goozbach | you mean it's not 2004? |
| 14:54.15 | goozbach | gahhh I woke up in the wrong year again. |
| 14:54.19 | goozbach | bbe |
| 14:54.26 | goozbach | (be back earlier) |
| 14:55.49 | graphyx | lol |
| 14:56.10 | graphyx | or should I be a realist. qnsl. Quiet Nose snort laugh. |
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| 15:03.36 | scothoser | Morning everyone! |
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| 15:07.23 | ^Migs^ | this is sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YG1yFDVyS8&mode=related&search= |
| 15:16.30 | goozbach | didn't someone here recently compile a list of interview questions for a linux person? |
| 15:16.43 | goozbach | if so could you forward me a copy? thanks in advance |
| 15:17.14 | graphyx | Ask them one argument towards or against using vi or emacs. |
| 15:17.23 | graphyx | What their favorite way of tracking down processes. |
| 15:17.51 | graphyx | And if they have preferences on which level kill they do initially. |
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| 15:26.37 | elg | ^Migs^: looks like fun |
| 15:26.53 | elg | not any really new concepts in there but it looks like a nice package |
| 15:28.16 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I like all the features it shows |
| 15:28.30 | ^Migs^ | it's something I would've liked to have when I was learning |
| 15:28.36 | elg | wonder if it works for piano though |
| 15:28.51 | elg | i mean other than monophonic |
| 15:28.53 | ^Migs^ | I wonder if they accommodate singers, too |
| 15:29.04 | ^Migs^ | because I REALLY would've loved that to help with the pitch problems I had/have. |
| 15:29.07 | elg | the pitch thing could be useful for a few singers I know. :) |
| 15:29.11 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 15:29.24 | mheath[laptop] | Good morning. |
| 15:29.26 | ^Migs^ | I sing great when I'm standing next to another bass, but by myself, I suck |
| 15:29.47 | elg | ^Migs^: so you'd like a prog that tells you if you're flat? |
| 15:29.51 | elg | (sharp) |
| 15:30.12 | ^Migs^ | it would probably have to tell me I'm off by a fifth |
| 15:30.17 | elg | in reference to a score, or just a fixed scale |
| 15:30.19 | elg | :) |
| 15:30.31 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, you can just grab a guitar tuner. |
| 15:30.34 | elg | well solfege is a program on linux that is for ear training. you might check it out |
| 15:30.38 | mheath[laptop] | That'll tell you waht note you're on |
| 15:30.39 | ^Migs^ | cool, I will |
| 15:30.52 | ^Migs^ | going to download it right now, in fact |
| 15:31.18 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure I have much use for it now. I haven't sung in a choir in years. |
| 15:31.34 | ^Migs^ | there's a Windows version of it. Cool. |
| 15:31.34 | elg | it does the whole bit. rhythm, jazz, chord recognition, interval recognition/singing |
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| 15:41.48 | [Utah]tristanbob | ^Migs^: that software does look neat |
| 15:42.07 | [Utah]tristanbob | let us know how it works |
| 15:42.47 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 15:42.51 | ^Migs^ | you have to buy a subscription |
| 15:42.55 | ^Migs^ | there's a trial version, though |
| 15:49.34 | elg | ~subscribe to [Utah]tristanbob |
| 15:50.20 | [Utah]tristanbob | I thought there was a demo |
| 15:50.43 | [Utah]tristanbob | ^Migs^: and you were going to download it? |
| 15:51.07 | ^Migs^ | now, I downloaded solfege |
| 15:51.09 | ^Migs^ | *no |
| 15:51.12 | ^Migs^ | pay attention |
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| 16:11.19 | calvarez | sup |
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| 16:21.39 | mheath[laptop] | Does anyone have any Apple hardware they're looking to get rid of? |
| 16:21.52 | mheath[laptop] | I'd love to purchase a G4 era or better computer. |
| 16:23.48 | mheath[laptop] | Or a Mac Mini. |
| 16:24.40 | [phoenyx] | mheath[laptop]: my friend has all kinds of mac hardware (he works for a school district). I'll send you his email address. |
| 16:25.59 | scothoser | mheath: You could find some G4 towers at the Surplus warehouse at the U, up in the Fort Douglas complex. |
| 16:26.11 | scothoser | And they are $150 a piece. |
| 16:29.55 | ^Migs^ | We went to get our flu shots yesterday but when we got there, they were out of serum |
| 16:31.53 | ^Migs^ | I love it when queries load 10 times faster than I expect them to! |
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| 16:39.50 | mheath[laptop] | scothoser, what do you mean, fort douglas complex? |
| 16:41.30 | [phoenyx] | http://www.utah.edu/surplus/ |
| 16:42.20 | mheath[laptop] | Can I just go there and browse, then? |
| 16:42.58 | mheath[laptop] | Wow. They have projectors for really cheap, too. |
| 16:43.54 | findlay | bulbs are probably about to die |
| 16:46.03 | ^Migs^ | I hate how Java always consumes 200% of my CPU |
| 16:46.29 | ^Migs^ | and I can't upgrade, because I practically have a state-of-the-art machine |
| 16:47.03 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, compile then? |
| 16:47.18 | ^Migs^ | compile what? |
| 16:47.58 | mheath | Java. With GCJ. |
| 16:49.06 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 16:49.13 | ^Migs^ | that's not the problem. I just have to run too many freakin Java programs. |
| 16:49.41 | ^Migs^ | WebLogic, dbVisualizer, smartsvn. IT seems there's a memory leak somewhere |
| 16:50.57 | ^Migs^ | I usually have to log out and back in at least 5 times a day |
| 16:51.06 | mheath | ^Migs^: Yes, but I'm assuming you're running said programs using the Sun JVM, right? |
| 16:51.17 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 16:51.29 | ^Migs^ | GCJ can help? |
| 16:51.49 | ^Migs^ | it's basically just a better compiler then? |
| 16:52.13 | mheath | ^Migs^: You can compile them into native code, linked against native libraries, with gcj, I believe. |
| 16:52.24 | ^Migs^ | very cool |
| 16:52.46 | ^Migs^ | only works for the programs that are open source, though. WebLogic isn't :( |
| 16:52.50 | ^Migs^ | and that's the major memory hog |
| 16:53.07 | ^Migs^ | it's awesome, but just resource-intensive |
| 16:54.28 | mheath | ^Migs^: gcj accepts .jar as input files, IIRC. |
| 16:55.21 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to try that. |
| 16:56.20 | mheath | ^Migs^: keep in mind, though, that this relies on native libraries |
| 16:56.27 | mheath | Which, ATM, are woefully inadequate |
| 16:57.05 | mheath | Probably even more so for J2EE type stuff |
| 16:57.18 | mheath | But it's worth a try. |
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| 16:57.28 | mheath | And it should be a big boost in preformance. |
| 16:58.43 | ^Migs^ | I sure hope so. Thanks for the tip! |
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| 17:05.05 | levi_home | I'd be interested in what kind of performance difference you'd get with gcj vs the Sun jvm. |
| 17:05.43 | calvarez | levi_home, I've tried to compare them |
| 17:05.53 | calvarez | result: gcj sucks |
| 17:06.17 | levi_home | That's what I expected, actually. |
| 17:06.33 | calvarez | memory hog, slooow |
| 17:06.51 | levi_home | The Sun jvm has a very advanced jit compiler in it. |
| 17:07.13 | levi_home | It's able to do dynamic optimization and such. |
| 17:07.21 | mheath | calvarez: the compiler, or the resulting binaries? |
| 17:07.39 | calvarez | the resulting executables |
| 17:08.13 | mheath | calvarez: interesting, because I've had a more positive impression. |
| 17:08.22 | calvarez | well, I haven't |
| 17:08.28 | calvarez | and it was very noticeable |
| 17:09.14 | mheath | yah, my new belt came. |
| 17:09.17 | mheath | ~praise FedEx |
| 17:09.18 | ibot | All hail FedEx! |
| 17:10.27 | levi_home | The latest JVM should have both an excellent garbage collector and an excellent JIT compiler, so I would be extremely surprised if gcj could come close to it. |
| 17:11.25 | elg | -weather kmsy |
| 17:11.25 | elg | woohooo! no comments on /. today |
| 17:11.25 | elg | brac: are you there? |
| 17:11.26 | brac | 1 hours, 18 minutes ago, on Thu Nov 09 15:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour) from the South at KMSY. The temperature was 22.8 degrees Celsius (73.0 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1013 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 68.5%. The sky was clear. |
| 17:11.26 | brac | no clue |
| 17:12.20 | elg | thanks brac, but in 3 minutes I could have gone out and looked for myself |
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| 17:28.11 | levi_home | Heh, idiot: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1943543,00.html |
| 17:38.28 | ^Migs^ | ahahahahahaha |
| 17:39.07 | ^Migs^ | The man is reported to have got down on all fours, lowered his trousers and fixed a Black Cat Thunderbolt rocket to himself in front of a group of friends at the end of a firework display in the Monkwearmouth area of Sunderland on Sunday. |
| 17:39.08 | ^Migs^ | oh man |
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| 17:49.49 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleflurry Keighvin |
| 17:49.53 | ibot | ACTION unleashes a flurry of slaps at Keighvin using Gilbert - the ideal whale for the job |
| 17:51.06 | Keighvin | ~whalecrit ^Migs^ |
| 17:51.08 | ibot | ACTION crits ^Migs^ with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. ^Migs^ dies |
| 17:54.43 | findlay | ~whalepunt #utah |
| 17:54.45 | ibot | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts #utah across Soviet Russia (No... you don't punt whales there) |
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| 17:58.05 | Keighvin | For those interested, the full list is: whaleambush, whalebomb, whaleblock, whalecrit, whalecover, whalecounterattack, whalefear, whaleflurry, whalehug, whaleimmune, whalelemmings, whalelottery, whalems, whalenametheft, whalenorris, whalenutshot, whalepunt, whaleparry, whalesquash, whaleslap, whalestab, whaleriposte, whaleres, whaletrout, whaletubes |
| 17:58.29 | emcnabb | elg, SB1-Work, ^Migs^ yesterday I sent my family the John Cage 4'33 video, and my mom's response was: |
| 17:58.32 | emcnabb | You know that I knew him, didn't you? He was very good friends with the |
| 17:58.35 | emcnabb | Johnstons, Sibyl's parents, and he played bridge with Grandpa and |
| 17:58.37 | emcnabb | Grandma. He went to the eye doctor in Indianapolis with us once. |
| 17:59.04 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 17:59.06 | emcnabb | small world |
| 18:00.41 | findlay | no way |
| 18:01.02 | ^Migs^ | wow omg |
| 18:01.03 | findlay | emcnabb: you made jsmith quit out of disgust |
| 18:01.06 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleambush Keighvin |
| 18:01.08 | ibot | ACTION ambushes Keighvin with Giovanni, a whale that's a bit too big to be a dagger |
| 18:01.18 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleres Keighvin |
| 18:01.19 | ibot | ACTION invokes the holy power of Miguel, a righeous whale, to resurrect Keighvin in preparation for more beatings |
| 18:01.27 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 18:01.30 | ^Migs^ | ~whalems Keighvin |
| 18:01.32 | ibot | ACTION oneshots Keighvin with a mortal strike crit while wielding a whale named Lucas, whose size is comparable to that of a PS3 |
| 18:02.13 | Keighvin | ~whaleimmune me |
| 18:02.15 | ibot | ACTION uses his Divine Shield and is immune to all keighvin's physical attacks for the next 12 seconds. |
| 18:02.25 | Keighvin | No, that's not the one. |
| 18:02.27 | Keighvin | ~whaleblock me |
| 18:02.28 | ibot | ACTION shields keighvin with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 18:02.32 | Keighvin | There we go. |
| 18:02.39 | Keighvin | ~whalenutshot ^Migs^ |
| 18:02.40 | ibot | ACTION smashes ^Migs^ in the nuts with a huge, yet swift whale named Ricardo |
| 18:02.40 | findlay | ~whaletubes Keighvin |
| 18:02.42 | ibot | ACTION stuffs an incredibly flexible whale named Theodore into Keighvin's tubes. Keighvin's internets no worky :( |
| 18:02.54 | Keighvin | findlay: follow that one up with whalelottery |
| 18:03.06 | elg | emcnabb: your family knew john cage huh? |
| 18:03.26 | emcnabb | elg: well, my mom and grandparents |
| 18:03.28 | elg | was she like, "yeah, every time we had him over for dinner he'd perform it for us" |
| 18:03.41 | elg | while eating his mashed potatotes |
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| 18:03.48 | emcnabb | elg: :-) |
| 18:04.31 | emcnabb | there was one line from her email I didn't include above: "He was very nice, but flaming gay." |
| 18:06.40 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/6133360.stm |
| 18:06.55 | ^Migs^ | it says he blackmailed them somehow, but it sounds like he just got them to install VNC. Real uberl33t hacker there. |
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| 18:08.34 | emcnabb | wow, there are some strange folks out there |
| 18:09.38 | ^Migs^ | haha: One of the girls said Ringland's level of skill and the power he had over her PC reminded her of the science fiction film Matrix. |
| 18:09.55 | emcnabb | rofl |
| 18:10.12 | elg | truly black magic |
| 18:10.59 | elg | so how does java's generics/templates/whatever work? basically like C++? |
| 18:11.29 | vontrapp | elg: yeah basically i think |
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| 18:14.26 | elg | that almost worked. why doesn't it like this? |
| 18:14.27 | elg | hw5.java:161: generic array creation |
| 18:14.27 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.56 | elg | insane. I should have expected something insane from java's generics implementation, but within 5 minutes of trying it out? |
| 18:20.20 | elg | oh well, I'll just live with the unchecked types warning |
| 18:24.55 | ^Migs^ | is there a UPS that doesn't beep? |
| 18:25.01 | Keighvin | elg: Are you using 1.5, or 1.4.x? |
| 18:25.01 | bonez39 | elg, tulane, eh? have you moved recently? |
| 18:25.03 | ^Migs^ | like, a PROPER ups, that lasts at least a half hour? |
| 18:25.19 | elg | 1.5 |
| 18:25.24 | elg | at a conference |
| 18:25.27 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: yeah, they have them. What kind are oyu on? |
| 18:25.32 | elg | ^Migs^: I know some you can configure to not beep |
| 18:25.47 | ^Migs^ | such as? |
| 18:25.53 | bonez39 | elg, mind if I add you to my patient newsletter for a couple editions? |
| 18:26.01 | elg | sure |
| 18:26.04 | bonez39 | ok |
| 18:26.15 | elg | how long are your arms? |
| 18:27.02 | bonez39 | elg, hans@fugal.net ? |
| 18:27.26 | bonez39 | arms long? mine are big enough to wrap around almost all my patients....excepting those over 400 lbs |
| 18:28.51 | elg | to reach to new mexico |
| 18:28.52 | Keighvin | elg: what is buf declared as? |
| 18:29.02 | elg | ArrayList<Point>[][] |
| 18:30.35 | Keighvin | I've never tried a multi-dimensional declaration like that. |
| 18:33.35 | harleypig | Does anyone use the version repository services (like CVSDude)? |
| 18:33.45 | elg | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/06/12/Comparable |
| 18:33.51 | elg | that link is enough to convince me not to worry about it |
| 18:34.19 | ^Migs^ | CVSDude? |
| 18:34.45 | elg | harleypig: make sure they're not run by sco |
| 18:38.50 | elg | http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411368/886213 reading that I hope webb wins, but otoh it'd be nice imho if one party had the house and the other had the senate |
| 18:44.52 | harleypig | ^Migs^: It's a company that provides cvs and subversion repositories |
| 18:45.00 | vontrapp | ~ord v |
| 18:45.00 | ibot | 'v' is ascii 118, vontrapp |
| 18:45.00 | harleypig | elg: heh, this is true |
| 18:45.16 | ^Migs^ | ~ord § |
| 18:45.16 | ibot | '§' is ascii 167, ^Migs^ |
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| 18:45.23 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 18:45.29 | goozbach | I blame granada |
| 18:45.34 | goozbach | ... and Canada |
| 18:45.34 | ^Migs^ | ~ord granada |
| 18:45.42 | ^Migs^ | ~ord |
| 18:45.52 | ^Migs^ | hmm |
| 18:46.04 | elg | you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means |
| 18:46.55 | vontrapp | ~ord V |
| 18:46.55 | ibot | 'V' is ascii 86, vontrapp |
| 18:47.16 | Keighvin | ~blame granada |
| 18:47.18 | ibot | ACTION blames granada (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 18:47.18 | harleypig | ~char 86 |
| 18:47.27 | harleypig | well, that sux. |
| 18:47.35 | harleypig | ~ord 86 |
| 18:48.39 | harleypig | ibot, your mother wears army boots |
| 18:48.40 | ibot | your mother gave them to me |
| 18:48.43 | harleypig | :D |
| 18:49.38 | ^Migs^ | ~whalefear Keighvin |
| 18:49.39 | ibot | ACTION makes a grotesque whale named Marilyn open its mouth. Keighvin flees in terror at the sight of Marilyn's poor oral hygeine |
| 18:50.06 | harleypig | that was lame |
| 18:50.27 | ^Migs^ | I suddenly don't feel like working anymore |
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| 18:50.47 | harleypig | You can't balme me! |
| 18:50.54 | harleypig | s/bal/bla/ |
| 18:50.57 | elg | harleypig: he can try to balm you |
| 18:51.01 | ^Migs^ | wow, I REALLY don't feel like doing squat. I have a feeling the rest of the day is going to be completely unproductive. |
| 18:51.02 | elg | but not here please |
| 18:51.10 | harleypig | oh, please? |
| 18:52.05 | harleypig | manamana ... do doo dodoo ... |
| 18:52.19 | harleypig | ibot, insult me! |
| 18:52.29 | elg | ^Migs^: at least it's friday. oh wait... |
| 18:52.46 | harleypig | It's Sure Happy It's Thursday! |
| 18:53.52 | Mystery_Mark | My ex came over last night. She threw out my bottle of Vodka. No happy thursday for me. |
| 18:55.43 | ^Migs^ | maybe I should take tomorrow off so it becomes Friday for me |
| 18:56.36 | elg | Mystery_Mark: that's mysterious |
| 18:58.55 | Mystery_Mark | She also threw my garbage can into the garbage bin outside. She thinks i'm cheating on her because I threw out all my old condoms. |
| 18:58.59 | ^Migs^ | incredibly mysterious... |
| 18:59.06 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 18:59.09 | ^Migs^ | she's your ex, though |
| 18:59.17 | Mystery_Mark | Yup, thats the funny part. |
| 18:59.22 | Mystery_Mark | She broke up with me. |
| 18:59.28 | Mystery_Mark | How is it cheating if I were? |
| 18:59.42 | ^Migs^ | girls are dumb |
| 19:00.20 | ^Migs^ | why does it matter who broke up with who? If you're an ex-couple, you're not "cheating on each other" |
| 19:03.30 | harleypig | She's a psycho. |
| 19:03.47 | harleypig | That's how that works ... you're supposed to be in hell because she dumped you. |
| 19:04.01 | harleypig | If you're not then you must've been cheating on her before. |
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| 19:13.59 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 19:16.32 | findlay | whatever, ibot |
| 19:19.13 | findlay | I love being a genius |
| 19:26.42 | vontrapp | ~genius findlay |
| 19:26.44 | ibot | don't worry, findlay! You can do it! You are a genius! |
| 19:27.11 | elg | emcnabb: it's been awhile |
| 19:28.04 | emcnabb | ~lart today |
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| 20:00.18 | Keighvin | ~whalenorris Jayce^ |
| 20:00.23 | ibot | ACTION gets a whale with a facial hair issue named Charles to roundhouse whack Jayce^ in the face with his tail |
| 20:00.37 | Keighvin | elg: Why are you running windows sitting next to a macbook pro? |
| 20:01.07 | Keighvin | Just like those pandas: eat shoots and leaves |
| 20:01.35 | Keighvin | tsk tsk, ibot: Chuck Norris's signature moves are NOT roundhouse kicks - they are either wheel kicks or cresent kicks, case depending. |
| 20:01.39 | Keighvin | Not roundhouse. |
| 20:05.02 | elg | unless he's fighting Jayce^ |
| 20:05.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure Chuck Norris knows how to do roundhouse kicks, Keighvin |
| 20:05.49 | ^Migs^ | ~whalenutshot Keighvin |
| 20:05.51 | ibot | ACTION smashes Keighvin in the nuts with a huge, yet swift whale named Ricardo |
| 20:15.16 | Keighvin | ~whaletrout ^Migs^ |
| 20:15.18 | ibot | ACTION slaps ^Migs^ with Hugh's more acrobatic cousin, Milliardo, who in turn slaps ^Migs^ around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.50 | Keighvin | Oh, I'm sure he knows how to do them too - they're not hard. They're also not the move that Chuck is normally seen doing from multiple angles in slow-mo because they aren't flashy and don't carry nearly the power. |
| 20:18.25 | elg | you don't need the power if you're a whale |
| 20:18.45 | elg | just aim |
| 20:18.52 | elg | besides, this is Jayce^ |
| 20:20.20 | ^Migs^ | according to Wikipedia, Chuck Norris' signature finishing move is a reverse roundhouse kick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundhouse_kick |
| 20:20.22 | ^Migs^ | Keighvin is WRONG |
| 20:20.51 | findlay | according to wikipedia |
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| 20:21.17 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 20:21.22 | findlay | wrong |
| 20:21.25 | findlay | left |
| 20:21.46 | ^Migs^ | over |
| 20:22.13 | findlay | heman has the power |
| 20:24.10 | Keighvin | That's a CRESCENT KICK. |
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| 20:24.44 | Keighvin | Chuck keeps the foot vertical. |
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| 20:25.15 | Keighvin | And that dude in the wikipedia picture could get pwnd pretty easy for dropping his guard while delivering the kick. |
| 20:25.46 | Keighvin | The article on the roundhouse kick is correct - it's the vertical foot on Chuck that makes it a cresent kick. |
| 20:25.55 | Keighvin | The thigh does not turn toward the target. |
| 20:26.57 | Keighvin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Kick#Crescent_kick |
| 20:27.26 | Keighvin | I've seen him do both in his roles, but the more celebrated (iirc) are the crescent and wheel kicks. |
| 20:27.40 | ^Migs^ | meh, I don't remember karate, so I'll take your word for it |
| 20:29.13 | elg | but he used to be a black hole belt |
| 20:33.46 | scott | anyone know if there are little radios like the size of usb keys meant to be used around the office for contacting someone who's away from their desk? |
| 20:35.20 | ^Migs^ | WITCHCRAFT |
| 20:36.22 | emcnabb | scott: how much are you willing to pay? :-) |
| 20:36.23 | emcnabb | http://www.vocera.com/ |
| 20:36.34 | emcnabb | that's what my wife used at the hospital |
| 20:38.55 | atoponce | http://digg.com/videos_comedy/Craig_Ferguson_Says_Goodbye_to_Donald_Rumsfeld |
| 20:39.08 | atoponce | gotta love craig ferguson |
| 20:39.16 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 20:39.20 | ^Migs^ | no one loves craig ferguson |
| 20:41.48 | ^Migs^ | wtf, I have to download Quicktime? |
| 20:46.32 | ^Migs^ | meh, that's okay |
| 20:46.44 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why all the comments are like "OMG I COULDN'T STOP LAUGHING LOLOOLOL" |
| 20:50.21 | graphyx | cause everyone who watched it was coming from AOL? |
| 20:51.24 | scott | emcnabb: that's what I've been looking for |
| 20:51.24 | scott | thanks |
| 20:53.11 | ^Migs^ | I can't believe I downloaded Quicktime for that. |
| 20:53.24 | ^Migs^ | now my PC's probably all messed up |
| 20:53.33 | SB1-Work | Probably? |
| 20:55.19 | eco | Quicktime Alternative is much nicer. |
| 20:55.27 | ^Migs^ | meh |
| 20:55.44 | ^Migs^ | new guy's over there just killing time. I better give him something to do. |
| 20:56.03 | ^Migs^ | maybe I should make him fetch me lunch |
| 21:03.14 | *** join/#utah mrpull-vx (n=Miranda@jetblue.colorbroadband.com) |
| 21:09.46 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@216.49.181.128) |
| 21:09.47 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.09 | graphyx | ^Migs^: You could get rid of him for a lot longer if you have him get me some lunch. |
| 21:12.17 | graphyx | Arkansas is a long drive from Utah. |
| 21:13.33 | elg | scott: you mean like beepers? |
| 21:15.00 | ^Migs^ | nah, he'd just have a pizza delivered |
| 21:15.12 | graphyx | I can handle that.. |
| 21:15.14 | graphyx | ;) |
| 21:17.44 | jlp_work | does anyone know if you can make apache log data it handles via ProxyPass directives differently/separately (or with some identifying marker) from normal log entries? |
| 21:18.08 | jlp_work | I haven't found anything perusing the documentation |
| 21:24.20 | ^Migs^ | great, now all my mp3s have a stupid little Quicktime icon |
| 21:24.49 | ^Migs^ | thanks a lot atoponce |
| 21:25.09 | SB1-Work | ^Migs^, your own fault for blindly clicking through the installer. |
| 21:25.31 | ^Migs^ | all the comments kept saying how screamingly hilarious it was, so I HAD to see it |
| 21:25.48 | ^Migs^ | and atoponce endorsed it, although I should've known from that it wasn't going to be that great |
| 21:26.16 | ^Migs^ | and I didn't blindly click. I deselected all the dumb options they tried to install, but it still changed my mp3 icons |
| 21:27.06 | Mystery_Mark | You know you have control of your icons. |
| 21:27.10 | macnewbold | you can change them back |
| 21:27.22 | macnewbold | anyway, why are you using windows in the first place? |
| 21:27.23 | Mystery_Mark | You shouldn't be bully'd by a idiotic program. |
| 21:27.26 | macnewbold | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 21:27.45 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce ^Migs^ |
| 21:27.51 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs ^Migs^ in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 21:28.22 | ^Migs^ | the only bullying going on is from all you Linux bullies, harassing me for using Windows, which is by large SUPERIOR to Linux |
| 21:28.58 | SB1-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.03 | macnewbold | ~lart ^Migs^ again |
| 21:29.04 | SB1-Work | You're dang right we are. |
| 21:29.09 | macnewbold | ~lart ^Migs^ harder |
| 21:29.10 | Mystery_Mark | ~pimpslap ^Migs^ |
| 21:29.12 | ibot | mystery_mark pimpslaps ^Migs^. ouch! |
| 21:29.20 | macnewbold | ~whalestab ^Migs^ |
| 21:29.22 | ibot | ACTION stabs ^Migs^ with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 21:29.22 | ^Migs^ | the mice in my house are REALLY pissing me off. Now they're getting in our laundry, and in our silverware drawer. And all over our pantry there's mouse dook and urine. I used to feel bad about drowning them, but now I don't. I just want them to suffer. |
| 21:29.57 | Mystery_Mark | Linux is highly superior to Windows. Linux is open-port free on a base installation, Windows is free and open to hackers on a base install. |
| 21:30.06 | Mystery_Mark | Just another reason Linux rules! |
| 21:30.10 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:30.18 | ^Migs^ | oh man, you're such a Linux patsy |
| 21:30.38 | ^Migs^ | see that's the problem with you Linux users. You think EVERYONE'S problems can be solved if they just became "less ignorant" and used Linux. |
| 21:31.17 | Mystery_Mark | Would you prefer to be MORE ignorant and use Windows? |
| 21:31.40 | ^Migs^ | I'm not ignorant, period. |
| 21:31.43 | ^Migs^ | you're just annoying. |
| 21:32.02 | Mystery_Mark | Your a Microsoft whore, thats even more annoying. |
| 21:32.13 | ^Migs^ | YOU'RE, not your |
| 21:32.17 | SB1-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.17 | SB1-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.22 | SB1-Work | linux > windows kthx |
| 21:32.26 | ^Migs^ | seriously, wtf, are Linux users English noobs too? |
| 21:32.33 | Mystery_Mark | lol |
| 21:32.48 | eco | What distro actually is open-port free on installation? |
| 21:32.56 | ^Migs^ | I'm just tired of being in here and having nothing but one Linux version after another pimped at me |
| 21:33.14 | Mystery_Mark | Gentoo, Ubuntu-Server, Redhat...ect.... |
| 21:33.32 | eco | Gentoo has SSH running by default. |
| 21:33.32 | Mystery_Mark | Current fav...Damn Small Linux |
| 21:33.39 | ^Migs^ | then you actually refer to yourselves by your registered linux user numbers. "Hi I'm MARK and I'm registered LInux user #3851889" |
| 21:33.46 | ^Migs^ | omfnerd |
| 21:33.47 | eco | A server that has no open ports is kind of useless. |
| 21:33.50 | Mystery_Mark | True, but can you walk into a linux box via SSH? |
| 21:34.06 | Mystery_Mark | can't* |
| 21:34.12 | Mystery_Mark | al;kdfjl;kasdf |
| 21:34.16 | Mystery_Mark | You can't** |
| 21:34.21 | Mystery_Mark | never mind |
| 21:34.36 | Mystery_Mark | i'm going to go over to #winbeta and listen to Windows RTM nonsence. |
| 21:34.37 | eco | "walk into"? And I don't care if you can or can't. Your statement was wrong. Don't spread misinformation. It makes the rest of us linux users look bad. |
| 21:34.49 | SB1-Work | haha |
| 21:35.05 | ^Migs^ | linux users look bad without any extra help |
| 21:35.16 | SB1-Work | Out of morbid curiosity |
| 21:35.19 | eco | Pff, acne is a medical condition! |
| 21:35.22 | SB1-Work | What do windows users look like? |
| 21:35.41 | ^Migs^ | if "awesome" looked like something, that would be it |
| 21:35.47 | Mystery_Mark | eco, i'm talking about "open" ports such as Windows Assist. SSH is not open to the public and it's much harder to gain access to a system when you don't know the SSH passwd. |
| 21:36.34 | eco | How about we stick to standard definitions of "open port" in the future. |
| 21:38.11 | macnewbold | Mystery_Mark: what do you mean by "Linux is open-port free on a base installation"? wouldn't that be highly distro dependent? and doesn't that also make it much less useful out of the box? (i.e. any linux/unix without sshd by default is lame in my book) |
| 21:38.29 | SB1-Work | ~agree macnewbold |
| 21:39.07 | macnewbold | now openBSD, they're kinda lame in their default install for that reason |
| 21:40.34 | Mystery_Mark | Okay, I didn't mean to start a flame war. I was just trying to say that Linux is more secure than windows by default. |
| 21:41.09 | ^Migs^ | what's the name of that real estate site that begins with a Z? |
| 21:41.24 | eco | zRealEstate. |
| 21:41.28 | SB1-Work | Mystery_Mark, ^Migs^ is also pretty much trolling due to boredom |
| 21:41.51 | ^Migs^ | trolling, or VENTING? |
| 21:42.14 | SB1-Work | Trolling :P |
| 21:42.20 | mheath[laptop]_ | ~lart Lexmark |
| 21:43.30 | ^Migs^ | I hate when people on freenode label you as a "troll." It's inflammatory and instantly denigrates the person's status in the eyes of everyone else, regardless of whether or not it's true. |
| 21:43.39 | ^Migs^ | not so much in here |
| 21:43.58 | Mystery_Mark | ^Migs^, you don't need the label, we already knew. |
| 21:44.41 | mheath[laptop]_ | Now THATS trolling. |
| 21:45.00 | SB1-Work | Oops. I bought DDR2 for a plain ol' DDR mobo. |
| 21:45.03 | SB1-Work | Time to return that stuff. |
| 21:45.32 | mheath[laptop] | Would anyone be interested in buying an almost-new lexmark printer/scanner/copier/fax for a discount? |
| 21:45.42 | mheath[laptop] | I'm looking to move to something with a bit more compatability |
| 21:46.31 | ^Migs^ | hmm |
| 21:46.31 | ^Migs^ | how much? |
| 21:46.39 | ^Migs^ | is it a color scanner? |
| 21:46.50 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, yeah. Also has an auto document feeder. |
| 21:47.01 | mheath[laptop] | $100, with almost-new ink cartridges |
| 21:47.07 | ^Migs^ | what model? |
| 21:47.09 | mheath[laptop] | bought new for $140 a few weeks ago |
| 21:47.12 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, x7350. |
| 21:47.59 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, Windows only unfortunately. |
| 21:48.03 | ^Migs^ | or I could buy it new here: http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/product.asp?PRDCODE=PTLX-20W0284&REFID=PW |
| 21:48.11 | ^Migs^ | how about $50? |
| 21:49.02 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, I'm not selling a printer that I've used to print two pages with and fax once for less than half of what I paid for it. |
| 21:49.34 | ^Migs^ | you're not bartering properly. Now you're supposed to say something like $90 |
| 21:49.57 | mheath[laptop] | No, I think I'll say $100. |
| 21:50.19 | ^Migs^ | then you should've said something like $120, so you could negotiate down to $100 |
| 21:50.27 | ^Migs^ | instead, you're just tricking everyone |
| 21:51.27 | mheath[laptop] | But yeah, $100. |
| 21:51.31 | ^Migs^ | No. |
| 21:51.47 | ^Migs^ | I could probably buy it new for less than that. |
| 21:51.48 | mheath[laptop] | OK |
| 21:52.14 | graphyx | SB1-Work: I do like linux, but whats the point of having a system up for a long time if it doesn't do anything? (Load average .01 and .02)? |
| 21:52.25 | SB1-Work | graphyx, internet routers :) |
| 21:52.33 | ^Migs^ | why not just keep it? |
| 21:52.37 | Mystery_Mark | South Park, The Simpsons, and Anchor Man - What do they all have in common? |
| 21:52.46 | SB1-Work | They all suck? |
| 21:52.54 | ^Migs^ | what's Anchor Man? |
| 21:52.56 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, Looking to upgrade to Vista, and Lexmark is being nasty and slow about releasing Vista drivers. |
| 21:53.01 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 21:53.13 | mheath[laptop] | It's a good printer for the money, though |
| 21:53.15 | Mystery_Mark | Their all gonna get watched tonight by me. |
| 21:53.31 | SB1-Work | iirc, Lexmark has utter crap linux support |
| 21:53.45 | ^Migs^ | could someone shoot Mystery_Mark? |
| 21:53.47 | mheath[laptop] | I never said "This works with linux" |
| 21:54.13 | mheath[laptop] | Mystery_Mark, CONGRATULATIONS! You're about to indulge in endless hours of utterly stupid teenage humor! |
| 21:55.23 | mheath[laptop] | Hmm. |
| 21:55.55 | findlay | ~shoot Mystery_Mark |
| 21:56.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots Mystery_Mark in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 21:56.23 | findlay | ~make mheath[laptop] |
| 21:56.24 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `mheath[laptop]'. Stop. |
| 21:56.38 | findlay | ibot: start |
| 21:56.40 | ibot | General purpose home page for an intranet. URL: http://fancy.secureshell.com/start/ |
| 21:56.40 | SB1-Work | ~make blootbot |
| 21:56.41 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `blootbot'. Stop. |
| 21:57.01 | mheath[laptop] | ~literal make $foo |
| 21:57.02 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `$foo'. Stop. |
| 21:57.11 | mheath[laptop] | ~literal make |
| 21:57.27 | findlay | ~make make: *** No rule to make target `$foo'. Stop. |
| 21:57.28 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `make: *** No rule to make target `$foo'. Stop.'. Stop. |
| 21:57.35 | findlay | (: |
| 21:58.34 | mheath[laptop] | seriously, though, what to have for dinner...hmmm |
| 21:58.40 | ^Migs^ | ^^**&$ |
| 21:59.06 | findlay | ~make ^^**&$ |
| 21:59.08 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `^^**&$'. Stop. |
| 21:59.17 | mheath[laptop] | ~silence findlay |
| 21:59.18 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in findlay's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 21:59.21 | findlay | wow, that's so funny |
| 21:59.33 | findlay | ibot: you're so funny |
| 22:01.36 | ^Migs^ | we're babysitting my wife's cousin's kid, like we do every Tuesday and Thursday, but she's spending the night tonight. It sucks when she does that, because her mom doesn't put her to sleep until, like, 3 in the morning, so she'll be up all night. |
| 22:01.53 | ^Migs^ | I think this kid is borderline retarded. It's not healthy behavior for me, I know, but I really, really, really don't like this kid. |
| 22:01.59 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: tell findlay about funny |
| 22:02.04 | ^Migs^ | the stress level in our house just goes up 10x when she's there. |
| 22:03.30 | Mystery_Mark | Maybe instead of fighting this kid, you should sit down and find out what you have in common? |
| 22:08.24 | harleypig | I need a drink. |
| 22:08.52 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (n=chatzill@208-186-98-2.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 22:09.15 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Two words. |
| 22:09.18 | harleypig | Duct |
| 22:09.19 | harleypig | tape |
| 22:09.54 | findlay | you can even start by asking: "How do you feel about 3 AM?" |
| 22:10.23 | findlay | or, "Tell me more about duct tape" |
| 22:10.32 | harleypig | An adult dose of Nyquil at about 7pm should have them zonked in 15 - 30 minutes. |
| 22:12.54 | goozbach | ~make install |
| 22:13.03 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 22:13.08 | goozbach | ~make all |
| 22:13.10 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. |
| 22:13.16 | redbeard1 | ~make goozbach stop |
| 22:13.18 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `goozbach stop'. Stop. |
| 22:13.18 | goozbach | ~literal make |
| 22:13.38 | goozbach | you cannot make me stop |
| 22:13.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ~./configure |
| 22:13.45 | ibot | i heard ./configure is \"error: installation of configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables\" Diagnostics: read config.log to see what went wrong. Short probable answer: install libc6-dev. Better answer: run \"dselect update\" then go into \"tasksel\" and install the C/C++ development task. Removing config.cache is also a good idea if you have to ... |
| 22:14.18 | redbeard1 | ~rm goozbach |
| 22:14.19 | ibot | goozbach is an unperson |
| 22:14.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ...I didn't just find a security flaw in ibot did I? |
| 22:14.43 | harleypig | ibots ugly |
| 22:14.51 | harleypig | ibot is ugly |
| 22:15.03 | harleypig | hmmm ... that insult didn't work. |
| 22:15.03 | redbeard1 | ibot: fight me |
| 22:15.04 | ibot | ACTION laughs as redbeard1 reboots pollux.northsky.com sending redbeard1 into the aether |
| 22:15.09 | harleypig | :D |
| 22:15.13 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 22:15.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ibot: fight me |
| 22:15.21 | ibot | ACTION laughs as lone_wanderer reboots 208-186-98-2.customer.csolutions.net sending lone_wanderer into the aether |
| 22:15.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Does he ever lose? |
| 22:15.37 | harleypig | ibot, your momma |
| 22:15.38 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, your momma is so fat that when she went missing she was on four sides of the milk jug |
| 22:15.57 | harleypig | ibot, your momma |
| 22:15.58 | ibot | well, your momma is so fat that when she went missing she was on four sides of the milk jug |
| 22:16.06 | harleypig | eh |
| 22:16.09 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 22:16.22 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:16.23 | harleypig | ibot, you ugly |
| 22:16.35 | redbeard1 | ibot: you suck |
| 22:16.36 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 22:16.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ibot, ibot is ugly |
| 22:16.40 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to is ugly. |
| 22:16.40 | harleypig | Guess that's not in s/he/its repetoire |
| 22:17.01 | Lone_Wanderer | ibot, foo bar |
| 22:17.02 | ibot | ACTION foo! || <action> bar bar || <reply> foo bar bar || foo |
| 22:17.02 | redbeard1 | ~gender ibot |
| 22:17.03 | ibot | I heard ibot is lesbian. |
| 22:17.19 | harleypig | ~gender redbeard1 |
| 22:17.20 | ibot | I heard redbeard1 is sexless. |
| 22:17.24 | harleypig | :D |
| 22:17.26 | redbeard1 | ~gender harleypig |
| 22:17.28 | ibot | I heard harleypig is pregnant. |
| 22:17.29 | harleypig | immaculate conception? |
| 22:17.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ~gender Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:17.34 | ibot | I heard Lone_Wanderer is female. |
| 22:17.36 | harleypig | wow |
| 22:17.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Sweet |
| 22:17.56 | harleypig | Lone_Wanderer will never leave the bedroom now ... |
| 22:18.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Been waiting my whole life for that! |
| 22:18.17 | harleypig | o/~ When you wish upon a star ... |
| 22:18.38 | redbeard1 | Lone_Wanderer: you'd better watch it, all the guys are gonna start hitting on you now |
| 22:19.43 | SB1-Work | Like, really. |
| 22:19.45 | findlay | ~ibot stuff |
| 22:19.46 | ibot | ACTION is stuffing George* |
| 22:19.49 | SB1-Work | Physically beating. |
| 22:20.00 | findlay | ~ibot some other stuff |
| 22:20.12 | redbeard1 | ~confuse ibot |
| 22:20.14 | ibot | yes who is my pineapple yesterday ? |
| 22:20.18 | SB1-Work | Now I'm curious... |
| 22:20.25 | SB1-Work | ~genter ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:20.29 | SB1-Work | erm |
| 22:20.32 | SB1-Work | ~gender ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:20.33 | ibot | I heard ScytheBlade1 is not sure. |
| 22:20.45 | SB1-Work | . . . |
| 22:20.59 | redbeard1 | ~confuse ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:21.01 | ibot | yes them is my bacon tomorrow ? |
| 22:21.23 | SB1-Work | redbeard1, trust me, I'm apparently already sufficiently confused. |
| 22:21.23 | goozbach | 6:10 departure time... |
| 22:21.28 | goozbach | eeks that's early |
| 22:21.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Does that really happen? |
| 22:22.28 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 22:23.00 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 22:23.27 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 22:23.36 | findlay | ~confuse herlo |
| 22:23.38 | ibot | yes how is our bacon today ? |
| 22:23.52 | herlo | findlay: my bacon is fine, how is yours? |
| 22:24.01 | findlay | ibot: bacon |
| 22:24.02 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal slut... |
| 22:24.25 | *** join/#utah jsmith_ (n=jsmith@000-145-457.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:24.27 | findlay | ibot says its fine |
| 22:24.38 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 22:24.44 | SB1-Work | ... lol |
| 22:24.50 | goozbach | herlo: in or out |
| 22:24.54 | findlay | ~onjoin herlo hi |
| 22:24.55 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 22:25.04 | goozbach | you're letting in flies |
| 22:25.05 | goozbach | and files |
| 22:25.06 | herlo | ~onjoin herlo |
| 22:25.07 | ibot | onjoin for herlo set by findlay on Thu Nov 9 15:24:55 2006: hi |
| 22:25.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Umm... |
| 22:25.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm a bit taken aback that ibot calls what'shername a slut |
| 22:25.39 | findlay | where did all these files come from? |
| 22:25.55 | emcnabb | http://www.trilug.org/?q=node/31 |
| 22:26.04 | emcnabb | I'm excited for our LUG meeting tonight |
| 22:26.08 | herlo | ~lart findlay |
| 22:26.39 | goozbach | ibot: literal bacon |
| 22:26.40 | ibot | "bacon" is "a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal slut..." |
| 22:26.57 | redbeard1 | ibot: confuse goozbach |
| 22:26.59 | ibot | no who is our bacon today ? |
| 22:27.00 | goozbach | ibot: no bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal slut... |
| 22:27.01 | ibot | goozbach: please, watch your language. |
| 22:27.10 | goozbach | ibot: no bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
| 22:27.12 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 22:27.30 | goozbach | ibot: bacon |
| 22:27.32 | ibot | i heard bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
| 22:27.40 | Tene | Hmm. I can't get Fedora to install on this laptop. |
| 22:27.45 | Tene | That's quite upsetting to me. |
| 22:27.46 | emcnabb | ~swear |
| 22:27.47 | ibot | emcnabb you are the biggest, most stupid asshole i have laid my shiny metal eyes on |
| 22:27.51 | ^Migs^ | McBeal is a model? |
| 22:28.00 | emcnabb | haha |
| 22:28.04 | emcnabb | Tene: what's going on? |
| 22:28.39 | Tene | The FC6 install dies upon trying to load X. If I try a text-only install, it locks up after formatting the drive. |
| 22:29.00 | goozbach | should i sanatize swear? |
| 22:29.07 | goozbach | that's kinda asking for it |
| 22:29.24 | goozbach | "swear at me" -- "you used bad language" |
| 22:29.35 | goozbach | ohh I know |
| 22:30.07 | Tene | With FC5, the graphic install worked fine for a while, but the screen went black either right before or right after formatting the drive. I'm unsure which. |
| 22:30.36 | goozbach | how's this? |
| 22:30.38 | goozbach | ~swear |
| 22:30.40 | ibot | heck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh. |
| 22:31.16 | goozbach | ~swear |
| 22:31.17 | ibot | Heck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh, but only in #utah. |
| 22:31.45 | emcnabb | Tene: what's the laptop? |
| 22:32.11 | Tene | HP Pavilion dv6000 |
| 22:32.34 | Tene | nvidia graphics |
| 22:32.44 | *** join/#utah Phishy (n=none@63.194.187.135) |
| 22:32.49 | emcnabb | is this your new one? |
| 22:32.59 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 22:33.26 | emcnabb | http://wiki.wumarkus.com/index.php?title=HP_Pavilion_dv6000z_Laptop_Stuff |
| 22:33.30 | Phishy | It makes me nervous looking around the lab and having monitors turn off right when I look at them. |
| 22:33.51 | emcnabb | try booting with noapic |
| 22:34.07 | mheath[laptop] | Repeat my offer (already been suggested that I look at UoU Surplus): If anyone has any G4-era or newer Mac harware they'd like to sell, I'm VERY interested. |
| 22:34.21 | emcnabb | E B A Y |
| 22:34.27 | Phishy | go to geeks.com for that stuff |
| 22:34.42 | ^Migs^ | no, go to stfu |
| 22:34.43 | Phishy | they have a huge selection of macs. |
| 22:34.53 | Phishy | ~pimpslap ^Migs^ |
| 22:34.54 | ibot | phishy pimpslaps ^Migs^. ouch! |
| 22:35.33 | emcnabb | Tene: or like it says, you can try acpi=off |
| 22:35.44 | mheath[laptop] | Phishy, Thanks! |
| 22:35.45 | mheath[laptop] | Wow. |
| 22:36.02 | Tene | which would you suggest? |
| 22:36.10 | emcnabb | try either (or both) |
| 22:36.57 | Phishy | mheath, np |
| 22:37.14 | Phishy | I own stock ;) |
| 22:37.30 | findlay | you owe stock? |
| 22:37.53 | Tene | emcnabb: thanks |
| 22:38.32 | Phishy | Yup, lots of stock, in many different companys. |
| 22:38.41 | mheath[laptop] | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=IM400-AQUA-2B&cat=SYS |
| 22:38.41 | Phishy | One of the perks of Scottrade. |
| 22:38.47 | mheath[laptop] | Would that be upgradeable to OS X? |
| 22:39.09 | Phishy | Yes, but it would terribly slow. |
| 22:39.25 | emcnabb | Tene: bbl |
| 22:39.30 | Phishy | Like running XP on a i484 |
| 22:39.34 | Phishy | Like running XP on a i486 |
| 22:41.02 | Phishy | You may have better luck with this guy |
| 22:41.03 | Phishy | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PM500-GREY-1B&cat=SYS |
| 22:41.32 | mheath[laptop] | Phishy, they have slower ones than the one I linked to that come preinstalled with OS X |
| 22:41.50 | Phishy | Still very slow. |
| 22:42.00 | Phishy | Just cuz you can install it doesn't mean you can use it. |
| 22:43.31 | Tene | http://slashdot.org/articles/06/11/09/1534204.shtml |
| 22:46.45 | Lone_Wanderer | How hard is it to create Apache rewrite rules that change everything in a directory to something else? |
| 22:47.01 | nick125 | anyone here use centos on a server? |
| 22:47.10 | nick125 | if so, do you know where the mysql config file is? |
| 22:47.37 | Lone_Wanderer | For example foo.com/invoices/2006/10/26/15 would translate to foo.com/invoices/ and the rest would get passed in as a GET request? |
| 22:47.50 | Lone_Wanderer | nick125: just locate mysql.conf |
| 22:48.15 | nick125 | ugh, locate isn't on this box.. |
| 22:48.24 | Lone_Wanderer | locate loc... oh wait |
| 22:49.39 | nick125 | anyone know where it should be? find / | grep -i my.cnf didn't find anything |
| 22:50.09 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (i=Migs@205.122.50.21) |
| 22:50.20 | harleypig | wow ... ... just wow ... |
| 22:50.30 | harleypig | it's not often a picture gets burned into my brain ... |
| 22:52.01 | harleypig | and that quickly too |
| 22:54.00 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, look in the mirror again? |
| 22:54.36 | harleypig | mheath[laptop]: Press Ctrl-Alt-Del for a prize! |
| 22:54.58 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, all I got was this Windows Task Manager window :( |
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| 22:55.34 | harleypig | You're on WinBlows? That's prize enough. |
| 22:55.40 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: do you have popups blocked? |
| 22:55.41 | harleypig | redbeard1: squishy |
| 22:55.58 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, eh? |
| 22:56.03 | findlay | you need to disable that t get the prizes |
| 22:56.23 | findlay | s/t/to/g |
| 22:56.30 | harleypig | :D |
| 23:00.40 | Jayce^ | harleypig, have some fun with the grey matter burner? |
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| 23:08.27 | emcnabb | Tene: is it working? |
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| 23:17.45 | Tene | emcnabb: I believe so. I left it on the "choose packages" screen and it powered off. I tried again, and it's resolving deps right now. |
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| 23:22.31 | harleypig | Princess Buttercup is a liar! |
| 23:22.35 | harleypig | the old lady said so |
| 23:32.11 | goozbach | FILTH |
| 23:32.14 | goozbach | BOO! |
| 23:50.20 | Tene | ... This is really stupid |
| 23:50.23 | Tene | the installer is having trouble with a package from an external repository. |
| 23:50.24 | Tene | The only options it gives me are "retry" and "reboot" |
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