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| 01:12.18 | goozbach | redbeard1: got your ears on? |
| 01:20.20 | Sargun | I love IBM, and their commercials. |
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| 03:13.54 | levi_home | 4 pages down, 6-8 to go. |
| 03:33.19 | vontrapp | ~onjoin - elg |
| 03:33.19 | ibot | ok, vontrapp |
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| 04:10.09 | mheath[laptop] | Talkative group tonight. |
| 04:10.41 | levi_home | It's pretty quiet. |
| 04:10.52 | levi_home | I've just been stirring things up on PLUG. |
| 04:11.54 | levi_home | Well then. |
| 04:12.03 | mheath[laptop] | bah, I don't have a single day off this week. |
| 04:12.23 | levi_home | You missed out on the chance to win $10000 in a programming contest. |
| 04:12.45 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: that was reposted to SLLUG, which I do subscribe to :) |
| 04:12.53 | levi_home | Ahh. |
| 04:13.43 | levi_home | Sounds like it was actually rather lame. |
| 04:14.22 | levi_home | And I guess you have to be 18 to enter. |
| 04:14.38 | mheath[laptop] | Yeah. I can't see a programming competition getting much attention in Utah. |
| 04:14.54 | mheath[laptop] | Maybe in California. But then again, $10000 is roughly "this months rent" to a californian. |
| 04:15.41 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: do you know of any library checkout programs that are open soruce? |
| 04:15.47 | levi_home | It was mainly a recruiting effort. |
| 04:16.03 | mheath[laptop] | One that is customizable enough that it can work with content other than books. |
| 04:16.14 | levi_home | Nope. |
| 04:40.19 | findlay | ~talk to mheath[laptop] |
| 04:46.48 | findlay | ~talk! |
| 04:46.51 | ibot | talk is probably the standard, 2-person interactive chat, replaced by ytalk and ntalk in later times. Old talk still ships as the default/standard chat tool for most operating systems. |
| 04:47.06 | mheath[laptop] | 'for most operating systems' |
| 04:47.09 | mheath[laptop] | I don't think Windows has talk |
| 04:47.14 | mheath[laptop] | or Mac OS X |
| 04:47.22 | findlay | well, winders isn't posix |
| 04:47.47 | mheath[laptop] | Mac OS X is. |
| 04:47.48 | mheath[laptop] | Kind of. |
| 04:49.16 | findlay | I'm guessing osx isn't like a standard distro which provides software updated on a continual basis but is more of a static thing and you buy the updated |
| 04:50.45 | mheath[laptop] | findlay: theres a version of emerge and an ebuild archive for mac os x |
| 04:51.50 | findlay | yeah, but that's gentoo ported to osx |
| 04:51.58 | findlay | and there's fink which is basically debian |
| 04:52.15 | findlay | but it's not a distro in the traditional sense |
| 04:52.42 | findlay | you have to import elements from a distro just like cygwin, etc. for windows |
| 04:52.50 | levi_home | findlay: There are occasional updates to OS X, but they are nowhere near as comprehensive as Debian/Gentoo sorts of updates. |
| 04:53.02 | findlay | indeed |
| 04:54.03 | levi_home | And OS X consists of several different conceptual parts anyway; adding another one is no big deal, especially since fink and darwinports integrate so well with the BSD layer. |
| 04:57.56 | mheath[laptop] | I wish Lexmark would release Vista drivers for this printer :( |
| 04:59.31 | findlay | heh, wish that they would release any drivers |
| 04:59.46 | findlay | or do pcl or postscript or something decent |
| 05:02.17 | mheath[laptop] | Yeah |
| 05:02.23 | mheath[laptop] | This driver is Windows Compatible! |
| 05:02.39 | mheath[laptop] | You, erm, have to use our horrible frontend.. |
| 05:03.34 | findlay | ugh, run away from fettered hardware like that |
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| 05:06.52 | mheath[laptop] | findlay: All lexmark printers are like that |
| 05:07.31 | mheath[laptop] | Yah, nothing better than getting a wrong number text message late at night. |
| 05:07.44 | mheath[laptop] | Haha. I'm going to reply "You have the wrong number. Thanks for running up my bill, though.". See if they're stupid enough to reply to that. |
| 05:08.46 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: plug them into an irc feed of, oh, say, #debain? |
| 05:09.07 | mheath[laptop] | "What bill you talkin about" |
| 05:09.17 | mheath[laptop] | What in the world is wrong with this person? |
| 05:09.37 | findlay | start sending them Shakespeare |
| 05:09.40 | mheath[laptop] | (it really isn't costing me anything) |
| 05:10.10 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: what are you, crazy?! With an opportune chance like this to have genuine fun you could send anything |
| 05:10.24 | findlay | King Lear |
| 05:10.24 | findlay | the sonnets |
| 05:10.57 | findlay | and here you are worring about how to tell them they have the wrong number |
| 05:13.51 | mheath[laptop] | My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. The eagle flies at night. |
| 05:14.05 | findlay | sounds like some kind of code |
| 05:14.12 | mheath[laptop] | Indeed. |
| 05:16.22 | mheath[laptop] | They just replied "What" |
| 05:16.53 | findlay | not very fun |
| 05:17.18 | findlay | ask them if agent Smith is there |
| 05:18.30 | mheath[laptop] | "I need Agent Smith. Over". |
| 05:18.38 | mheath[laptop] | I thought the radio signals were a nice touch |
| 05:19.34 | mheath[laptop] | Replied with an explative. |
| 05:20.18 | findlay | heh, nice |
| 05:20.31 | findlay | unfortunately, I'm out of ideas |
| 05:20.36 | findlay | ): |
| 05:22.13 | mheath[laptop] | replied with "na dude" |
| 05:41.03 | levi_home | I got a c++ coding style discussion and a tabs vs. spaces discussion going on PLUG, but people must be going to bed or something. |
| 05:41.41 | findlay | levi_home: I'll respond with a bunch of inflammatory posts if you want if it's flagging |
| 05:42.52 | findlay | plug hasn't had a good flame for a while |
| 05:43.07 | levi_home | Nah, I only want real opinions. |
| 05:44.00 | levi_home | I didn't really intend to start flames, just to ask why people used rediculous amounts of vertical space in their coding styles. |
| 05:44.28 | levi_home | Er, ridiculous. |
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| 06:12.32 | findlay | levi_home: I agree with you on most of it, but I prefer the opening brace on its own line |
| 06:12.42 | findlay | just an old habit |
| 06:13.42 | findlay | I guess because I like to think of it as delimiting a block of code that is being controlled by a leading statement |
| 06:13.58 | findlay | rather than thinking of the statement as part of the block |
| 06:14.25 | findlay | and C/C++ lets you drop the braces on one line blocks anyway |
| 06:15.19 | findlay | if (lang == "C" || lang == "C++") cout << "No need to delimit this block with {}.\n"; |
| 06:17.33 | levi_home | findlay: Putting an open brace on its own like is the worst of what I was complaining about. |
| 06:17.40 | findlay | heh |
| 06:18.23 | findlay | because matching up the braces vertically is more important to me |
| 06:18.39 | levi_home | How you think of it is irrelevant. It a waste of space, whether you like it or not. |
| 06:18.54 | findlay | sure |
| 06:18.58 | levi_home | You shouldn't be looking at braces, because they don't mean anything. |
| 06:19.10 | levi_home | They don't carry meaning; they're simply punctuation. |
| 06:19.44 | findlay | with a wordy language like C++ you don't want so much vertical compactification because it turns the code into a blob of nonsense |
| 06:20.18 | levi_home | Putting them on their own lines makes them stand out MORE, which is counterproductive. |
| 06:20.19 | findlay | and page alignment markings carry no meaning either |
| 06:21.14 | levi_home | Putting space in to delimit semantic components makes some sense. Putting it in around {}s doesn't. |
| 06:22.08 | findlay | it's all their fault |
| 06:22.58 | findlay | meanwhile I'll continue to write nonsense code with arbitrary whitespace around my {}'s |
| 06:22.59 | levi_home | Probably so. |
| 06:23.52 | findlay | what about having the { on the next line but no newline after it? |
| 06:24.07 | findlay | that's a style that I've never seen before and it does line up the braces |
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| 06:28.40 | levi_home | findlay: If you want to do it that way, that's fine. |
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| 06:28.54 | findlay | I have levi_home |
| 06:28.56 | levi_home | I think having it on the previous line looks better, though. Lining up braces is silly. |
| 06:28.58 | findlay | 's blessing then? |
| 06:29.33 | findlay | it helps to keep me oriented |
| 06:30.38 | levi_home | Bind some keys to jump to matching braces or something. |
| 06:30.58 | levi_home | Or match your indentation with the brace-nesting level. |
| 06:31.13 | findlay | ugh, I hate that |
| 06:32.18 | levi_home | You hate what? |
| 06:32.26 | findlay | that last one |
| 06:32.48 | levi_home | You indent things already, don't you? |
| 06:33.21 | findlay | yes |
| 06:33.48 | levi_home | Well, what's to hate then? |
| 06:33.57 | findlay | stuff |
| 06:34.32 | levi_home | Clearly you have some unresolved anxiety about Python. You may need to see someone about that. |
| 06:35.13 | findlay | no way. Python's code blocking scheme is wonderful. No need for {} |
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| 08:06.26 | Supaplex | YAY! |
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| 16:44.10 | mheath[laptop] | Can anyone recommend a realy simple task manager? |
| 16:44.26 | mheath[laptop] | Just status, assigned to, description |
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| 18:00.24 | mrpull- | mheath[laptop]: the rt people have one |
| 18:00.29 | mrpull- | hiveminder or something like that |
| 18:05.58 | mrpull- | http://hiveminder.com/tour/ |
| 18:10.46 | mrpull- | tadalist.com is another one that gets a lot of hype |
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| 18:18.16 | Sargun | is $PROJECT.sf.net down right now? |
| 18:18.16 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:26.58 | findlay | you know what would be really nice is if rsync could gzip its transaction data |
| 18:27.22 | mrpull- | findlay: are you rsyncing over ssh? |
| 18:27.26 | findlay | yes |
| 18:27.29 | mrpull- | SSH has compression options |
| 18:29.09 | mrpull- | it uses gzip IIRC |
| 18:29.11 | findlay | so compress the data at ssh level before it traverses the network |
| 18:29.14 | findlay | yes |
| 18:29.25 | findlay | that's a good idea |
| 18:29.26 | mrpull- | yeah |
| 18:29.37 | mrpull- | but there is a trade off of CPU vs bandwidth |
| 18:29.53 | mrpull- | it usually is only suggested if you have more CPU than pipe |
| 18:29.56 | findlay | gzip -3 (default) is pretty fast IIRC |
| 18:30.26 | findlay | you're right though since this is only a nightly backup |
| 18:30.41 | findlay | and it hard links against yesterday's |
| 18:31.04 | mrpull- | is it on the same LAN? |
| 18:31.09 | findlay | yes |
| 18:31.14 | mrpull- | or over a WAN link? |
| 18:31.22 | findlay | no |
| 18:31.33 | mrpull- | I wouldn't suggest compression on a LAN (or even a good broadband link) |
| 18:32.04 | mrpull- | or test it and see what the impact is... CPU's are faster than they used to be :) |
| 18:32.04 | findlay | our outbound link is actually pretty narrow |
| 18:34.48 | Sargun | bzip -9 |
| 18:35.07 | findlay | bzip2 -9 |
| 18:35.12 | findlay | bzip2 -9vvv |
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| 22:09.41 | elg | hello from new orleans |
| 22:10.09 | elg | i'm in a workshop about a cool realtime audio/video-oriented language |
| 22:10.16 | elg | chuck |
| 22:10.26 | elg | chuck files are .ck |
| 22:10.58 | elg | I'm admiring the restraint (whether moral or comic timing) of the presenter talking about foo.ck |
| 22:11.12 | elg | (example file) |
| 22:14.14 | elg | http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ |
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| 23:26.36 | findlay | mrpull-: how do you activate ssh compression from rsync? |