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| 00:02.41 | synic | levi: ok, emusic.com /is/ what I'm looking for |
| 00:05.59 | synic | levi: is it legal? |
| 00:06.35 | synic | they have a bunch of stuff I want.. how can they get away with non-DRM music? |
| 00:07.53 | findlay | there is no legal without drm |
| 00:08.05 | findlay | it's a fundamental law of the universe |
| 00:08.18 | findlay | because the universe is controlled by corporations |
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| 00:10.57 | Keighvin | ~lart universe controlling corporations |
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| 00:11.56 | Keighvin | Well that didn't go too well. |
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| 00:24.06 | levi | synic: Yes, it's legal. |
| 00:24.14 | levi | synic: They just don't have any major labels signed. |
| 00:24.14 | synic | cool |
| 00:26.05 | findlay | bet you $20 they don't have anything I want |
| 00:26.09 | synic | awesome. Works for me. |
| 00:27.06 | synic | they have some stuff I was surprised about |
| 00:51.47 | levi | I downloaded a bunch of stuff from emusic back when they offered unlimited downloads. |
| 00:52.09 | levi | When they capped downloads, I found that wild experimentation wasn't worth it anymore. |
| 00:52.35 | levi | But if there's stuff you know you want, it's probably a pretty good deal until you've got it all. :) |
| 00:58.32 | Sargun | Wow, this movie is slightly disturbing. |
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| 01:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that I need to delete stuff in thunderbird |
| 01:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 20k emails isn't too many, is it? |
| 01:14.49 | findlay | nah |
| 01:15.09 | linuxalien | lol |
| 01:15.21 | nick125_lappy | never |
| 01:16.03 | ScytheBlade1 | 15k of those are spam |
| 01:16.08 | nick125_lappy | hahah |
| 01:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | No, seriously |
| 01:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a minute, that can't be right |
| 01:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have 5k legit emails |
| 01:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no way |
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| 01:35.11 | calvarez | bug off ibot |
| 01:44.08 | Sargun | Whoa, Saw II blew my mind. |
| 01:44.41 | linuxalien | :) |
| 01:51.03 | Sargun | linuxalien, you watched it? |
| 01:51.32 | linuxalien | Nopers, but had a friend invite me to Saw3 |
| 01:51.59 | Sargun | ah |
| 01:52.44 | Sargun | I'll just wait for it to come out on DVD. |
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| 01:53.25 | linuxalien | You'll make friends, I'm sure. |
| 01:53.47 | Sargun | I will, once I'm out of high school. |
| 01:54.05 | Sargun | high school = too much drama. |
| 01:54.08 | Keighvin | Worst Time Evar. |
| 01:54.08 | Sargun | too much crap. |
| 01:54.19 | Keighvin | Amen brother. Preach it! |
| 01:54.37 | Sargun | lol |
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| 01:55.53 | linuxalien | Sargun, you'll probably like college a lot better if you go that route. I am glad I did. |
| 01:56.04 | Keighvin | Secondary education sucks. |
| 01:56.34 | Keighvin | Unfortunately I don't have post-secondary experience, although i'd imagine it's much improved. |
| 01:56.46 | Keighvin | My wife seemed to enjoy it. |
| 01:57.30 | Sargun | My plan is to take GEDs, go to JC for 2 years, and then transfer to a UC for 2 years. |
| 01:57.47 | Keighvin | Why GED? |
| 01:58.08 | Keighvin | If you don't mind my asking, that is. |
| 01:58.11 | Sargun | How else am I going to get out of high school 2 years early? |
| 01:58.19 | Sargun | I hate this place with a passion |
| 01:58.24 | Sargun | and it hates me equally badly. |
| 01:58.30 | Keighvin | AP courses? |
| 01:59.07 | Sargun | 1 so far. |
| 01:59.21 | Keighvin | GED isn't normally encouraged as a mechanism for early exit - it's compensatory, and doesn't fully supplant the educational value. |
| 01:59.47 | Keighvin | Therehs a good chance it could hurt you in the long run. |
| 01:59.57 | Sargun | What else do you recommend for early exit? |
| 01:59.58 | Keighvin | s/Therehs/There's/ |
| 02:00.16 | Keighvin | The AP courses - do the work and combine it with college courses. |
| 02:00.47 | Keighvin | It'll most likely only get you out a year early at most, but springboard you well into college. |
| 02:01.16 | linuxalien | bbl |
| 02:01.21 | linuxalien | good luck Sargun |
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| 02:01.36 | Keighvin | GED, while supposedly technically equivalent, carries an ugly stigma. |
| 02:02.53 | Keighvin | Face to face it doesn't matter, but when it's a figureon paper that can distinguish you in the professional world it can make the difference in whether or not you get that face tine to begin with. |
| 02:03.35 | Keighvin | Pardon the odd typos, I'm on the PDA - thumbs don't always catch everything perfectly. |
| 02:04.25 | Keighvin | I had to go the GED route for family and personal health issues - I couldn't survive the workload and perform adequately with those other distractions going on. |
| 02:04.56 | Keighvin | But I tested well, so the GED was a snap; I have no doubt you could pass it. |
| 02:05.25 | Keighvin | I also don't doubt that HS is really just a waste of time - but it really is a necessary one. |
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| 02:06.38 | Keighvin | The discipline of cmpleting it does make a huge difference, and gives you a chance to practice the necessary study skills before hitting the big time where you have to pay for it out of pocket. |
| 02:07.45 | Keighvin | Unfortunately hypocritical, I did have to look critically at educational background when hiring developers. |
| 02:08.26 | Keighvin | Only extremely god communication skills could offset the deficiency enough that I would bring them in if things weren't otherwise "in order." |
| 02:08.34 | Keighvin | s/god/good/ |
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| 02:09.38 | Keighvin | It's taken me a decade to get enough solid experience under my belt that by the time education has come up it's a mere formality. |
| 02:09.51 | Keighvin | And with that, I'm out - dinner's ready. |
| 02:10.02 | Sargun | Thanks, see you. |
| 02:14.47 | findlay | Sargun: don't worry so much about it. Cultivate other parts of your life while in high school. Discover yourself. You're never going to have so much cheap and easy free time for at least the next 5-15 years and everything you gain will be all the more beneficial |
| 02:16.51 | ryantrip | sargun: did something happen at school? |
| 02:17.38 | Sargun | Ugh. |
| 02:17.42 | Sargun | nevermind. |
| 02:18.00 | ryantrip | alright |
| 02:24.56 | findlay | Brahms' first symphonie is always a good idea |
| 02:39.58 | findlay | Sargun: what is that site for looking up phone number allocations? |
| 02:40.21 | Sargun | ? |
| 02:40.39 | Sargun | Long story but I'm not allowed to disclose that. |
| 02:40.44 | Sargun | (even though its legal) |
| 02:40.50 | findlay | why? |
| 02:41.10 | ryantrip | he cant say lol |
| 02:41.23 | findlay | I want to debug more precisely my phone problems |
| 02:42.11 | Sargun | long story... |
| 02:42.17 | Sargun | (means be quiet) |
| 02:42.25 | ryantrip | lol |
| 02:42.31 | findlay | ~shout at Sargun |
| 02:42.59 | findlay | hm, well, that was dissapointing |
| 02:46.58 | findlay | the ibot deal, I meant |
| 02:47.08 | findlay | anyway I've got logs. hehehe |
| 02:48.55 | ryantrip | sargun: which aim screen name of yours should I use to talk to you? |
| 03:00.56 | findlay | how likely do you think that a sound card would have a hardware FLAC codec? |
| 03:01.49 | findlay | exactly my point |
| 03:02.20 | findlay | which is why it is so confusing that this flac encoded audio that I'm playing is taking 0% CPU |
| 03:05.18 | Sargun | what tool are you using to play it |
| 03:05.26 | findlay | mplayer |
| 03:05.54 | Sargun | mplayer is cool like that |
| 03:06.24 | findlay | that's still a fantastic thing to say |
| 03:06.40 | findlay | it would have to be taken care of somewhere |
| 03:07.40 | findlay | 1) the cpu is somehow not being picked up by gkrellm or top, hence by proc (or sys?), or 2) it's offloading it to ... to what, the gpu, unlikely, the northbridge? |
| 03:08.01 | findlay | the soundcard itself perhaps |
| 03:14.51 | findlay | the best thing in the world to follow Brahms' first symphony is his second |
| 03:17.59 | findlay | I've wasted enough time on the computer tonight. It's time to go practice |
| 03:20.47 | levi_home | Practice what? |
| 03:25.24 | findlay | practice the viola |
| 03:25.26 | findlay | later |
| 03:27.44 | levi_home | Ahh. I played the viola briefly. And my wife plays, too, though she hasn't in a long time. |
| 03:27.58 | levi_home | Had jaw surgery, and it was difficult afterward. |
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| 03:44.32 | levi_home | Heya, tensai. |
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| 03:54.25 | levi_home | Hi, maquis. |
| 04:10.03 | levi_home | i feel so alone |
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| 04:38.42 | Spark420 | Hello, #utah. |
| 04:39.25 | levi_home | Hello. |
| 04:40.08 | Spark420 | I find myself bored. |
| 04:40.14 | Spark420 | First to get Sargun to answer me wins a prize. |
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| 05:00.53 | mheath | lmao. Early exit from school. |
| 05:01.16 | mheath | So naive.... |
| 05:03.30 | levi_home | Well, many of us wish we could say things to you to make you understand etc. |
| 05:03.48 | mheath | True. |
| 05:04.27 | levi_home | And, from my perspective, it's pretty funny to see you talk about how naive he is. |
| 05:04.41 | mheath | I did not say that I am not naive. |
| 05:04.53 | mheath | I can, however, offer a bit of wisdom on the topic of getting out of school early |
| 05:05.08 | mheath | Because I am probably one of the few if not the only one in here who did that |
| 05:05.20 | mheath | I am very naive |
| 05:05.25 | mheath | I used to be cocky about my overall wisdom |
| 05:05.37 | mheath | Thinking that I was rather well enlightened |
| 05:06.00 | mheath | then I realized....as time goes on, I always look back and think 'How could I have been so stupid?' |
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| 05:06.28 | mheath | Life is a series of mistakes; the game is to learn from them, work on fixing them, and avoid repeating them. |
| 05:06.51 | levi_home | You are reaching the end of your teenage years. :) |
| 05:09.34 | Spark420 | While your advice may be valuable, as Sargun's close friend I know he's stubborn enough that he will do what he will regardless. |
| 05:10.09 | mheath | Spark420: Like I said, I doubt there is anything I can say other than provoking him to complain about how I'm tragically misunderstanding him. |
| 05:10.54 | mheath | I'm excited. ROTC. =) |
| 05:11.21 | mheath | Bah. I think someone lied to me about student aid |
| 05:11.47 | mheath | Me being legally a 'veteran' (though I don't consider myself so) makes me independent for student aid purposes, so I'm likely to get a lot more |
| 05:12.09 | mheath | Everyone kept telling me that as long as I was active duty US military for ANY time (which I was), I qualified as a veteran for student aid purposes |
| 05:12.24 | levi_home | If I were to go into the military, the ROTC route would be my choice. |
| 05:12.28 | mheath | But now UoU says that "they have some questions about your FAFSA and veteran status, so they need to schedule an appointment" |
| 05:13.16 | Spark420 | Where did you serve? |
| 05:13.40 | mheath | Spark420: very brielfy in the USMC (got kicked out after a month because of a knee injury) |
| 05:13.49 | mheath | Like I said, I don't consider myself a veteran |
| 05:14.10 | mheath | but everyone kept telling me that I was a veteran as far as student aid was considered, and saying so on the form will get me way more... |
| 05:14.12 | Spark420 | Ahh that sucks. |
| 05:14.15 | mheath | I hope theres not a big problem |
| 05:14.36 | mheath | Spark420: all is well; I'm in the process of getting a medical waiver and probably starting ROTC |
| 05:15.50 | mheath | Though my grades in highschool were way too poor to get the 4 year scholarship |
| 05:16.03 | mheath | meaning I'll need some financial aid the first two years |
| 05:16.16 | mheath | So, hopefully there isn't a big problem with this financial aid |
| 05:17.49 | mheath | if I have to fill out a new FAFSA as a dependent of my dad, I'll get nothing |
| 05:23.16 | mheath | Goodnight, Everyone. |
| 06:30.38 | findlay | hey sparky, levi_home |
| 06:31.01 | findlay | you may wish you were alone to my company |
| 06:31.03 | findlay | (: |
| 06:31.17 | findlay | s/to/rather than have/ |
| 06:31.34 | findlay | ibot: yo |
| 06:31.36 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 06:31.41 | findlay | whatever |
| 06:31.45 | findlay | duh |
| 06:33.01 | findlay | now I'm all alone |
| 06:35.24 | levi_home | I'm here. |
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| 06:40.42 | findlay | hey spark |
| 06:42.19 | levi_home | I think everyone is ignoring me tonight. |
| 06:45.40 | tensai | ~lart kids who unplug routers |
| 06:45.48 | Spark420 | HI. |
| 06:46.49 | findlay | I don't know if I should be ashamed to admit it, but I have become very proficient at tetris lately |
| 06:50.30 | Spark420 | Somebody make sargun answer me |
| 06:50.56 | Sargun | tensai, who unplugged your router? |
| 06:51.47 | findlay | Sargun: a kid, so by association it must be your fault |
| 06:51.52 | tensai | Sargun: my 1 year old |
| 06:52.40 | Sargun | :-( |
| 06:52.43 | findlay | ~whaleanswer Sargun |
| 06:52.50 | findlay | hm |
| 06:53.12 | findlay | :-$ |
| 06:54.30 | findlay | ~unignore levi_home |
| 06:58.55 | levi_home | Huh, I just discovered why & is called ampersand. |
| 07:00.40 | levi_home | It used to be that when people recited the alphabet, they included & after z. So, it ended 'x, y, z, and, per se, &' with & pronounced as 'and'. |
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| 07:01.57 | levi_home | 'per se' meaning of itself, or intrinsically. So 'per se &' means 'the character &, not the word "and"' |
| 07:07.23 | Spark420 | Very cool. |
| 07:07.29 | Spark420 | Learn something everyday, eh? |
| 07:10.51 | findlay | but I learned it tomorrow |
| 07:10.58 | findlay | because the day changed |
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| 07:13.25 | Spark420 | Right...too much thinking for this late at night so I'm just going to go ahead and get back to my 3D design :D |
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| 08:36.43 | bonez39 | hello ryantrip |
| 08:36.50 | ryantrip | hey |
| 08:40.11 | bonez39 | do you run linux, or bsd, or other OS? curious what you do? |
| 08:40.16 | bonez39 | I am a chiropractor |
| 08:40.45 | ryantrip | I'm running mac osx right now, but I have linux on another machine |
| 08:41.25 | ryantrip | im a student, in highschool |
| 08:45.34 | bonez39 | oh...that's great..I am jealous..wishing I had a computer in high school and thn...that I had learned linux at your age |
| 08:46.06 | ryantrip | i'm actualy very new to linux. i almost know nothing :P |
| 08:46.23 | bonez39 | well, you are lucky to have a mac...I hear they rock.... |
| 08:47.50 | ryantrip | yea, mines pretty old, this one is at least. 1 ghz ppc powerbook g4 12". I think 1ghz ppc is actually more than 1ghz intel. |
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| 10:55.05 | Sargun | hiya. |
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| 14:40.39 | mheath | oh, poor ryantrip with his 'old' powerbook g4 :P |
| 14:43.43 | herlo | a-a-ron |
| 14:43.52 | herlo | atoponce: I am here now |
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| 15:16.00 | atoponce | herlo: ok. for what? :-)ยป |
| 15:16.44 | atoponce | are you fraternizing me? |
| 15:20.02 | herlo | atoponce: what are you talking about, that was private!! |
| 15:20.10 | herlo | you aren't supposed to tell anyone |
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| 15:21.24 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 15:22.30 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 16:04.50 | findlay | today's a good day for Mozart |
| 16:07.07 | findlay | ~help |
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| 16:14.34 | elg | today's a good day for collective soul |
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| 16:17.14 | herlo | I think it's a good day for Orbital!! |
| 16:17.31 | jbellis | to let one user's processes dump core, is that a "soft" limit or "hard" in security/limits.conf ? |
| 16:20.42 | findlay | ugh |
| 16:20.49 | billfur | herlo, your exactly right |
| 16:21.50 | findlay | jbellis: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/security/security-handbook.xml?part=1&chap=5 |
| 16:23.06 | herlo | currently, it's a good day for Gloria Estefan |
| 16:23.11 | jbellis | tx |
| 16:23.24 | findlay | ~praise gentoo |
| 16:23.31 | ibot | All hail gentoo! |
| 16:23.31 | findlay | (: |
| 16:23.59 | findlay | don't know if that answers your question |
| 16:24.22 | jbellis | well, it gives an example of only overriding hard, so that's probably the way to go |
| 16:24.42 | jbellis | i admit that understanding the difference would be nice tho :) |
| 16:24.57 | billfur | ~lart gentoo |
| 16:25.21 | findlay | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_limits.html |
| 16:26.00 | findlay | that seems to define the difference between soft and hard |
| 16:26.36 | jbellis | yes |
| 16:26.44 | jbellis | tx |
| 16:31.35 | herlo | <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 16:31.50 | findlay | really? |
| 16:31.59 | herlo | findlay: yep |
| 16:32.12 | herlo | damn straight!! |
| 16:32.20 | herlo | ddd |
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| 16:32.37 | herlo | dfd |
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| 17:44.47 | levi_home | Good morning. |
| 17:52.13 | stuporglue | morning |
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| 18:21.07 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:35.21 | mheath | hmm, I need to get an IRC client set up on my laptop |
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| 18:46.03 | bonez39 | mheath, what does your laptop run? |
| 18:46.34 | Sargun | Linux. |
| 18:46.43 | Sargun | bonez39, how is your PBX sir? |
| 18:46.49 | Sargun | .. |
| 18:49.44 | atoponce | mheath: irssi |
| 18:51.00 | bonez39 | Sargun, well, on hold at the moment... |
| 18:51.04 | nick125_lappy | irssi + screen is usually good.. |
| 18:51.27 | atoponce | s/usually/very/ |
| 18:51.29 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:51.31 | bonez39 | Sargun, not sure how to proceed...... |
| 18:52.03 | nick125_lappy | for some reason, backspace doesn't work in screen here |
| 18:52.39 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: what terminal? |
| 18:52.41 | Sargun | bonez39, tell Atarack your idea and give us money. We'll do everything for you. :-P |
| 18:52.57 | nick125_lappy | atoponce: gnome terminal |
| 18:53.28 | atoponce | edit profile > compatibility. |
| 18:53.44 | atoponce | backspace key generates "control-H" |
| 18:53.51 | atoponce | may fix it |
| 18:54.03 | nick125_lappy | yup, that works, thanks! |
| 18:54.06 | atoponce | np |
| 18:57.06 | elg | is coontz any good? |
| 18:57.42 | levi_home | Well, Coontz is popular. |
| 18:57.47 | elg | er, coonts |
| 18:57.56 | levi_home | So apparently a lot of people think he's good. |
| 18:57.56 | Sargun | I think I killed bonez39. |
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| 18:58.33 | levi_home | It probably depends on your criteria for 'good'. |
| 18:58.47 | levi_home | Haven't read him, so I can't give an opinion. |
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| 18:59.12 | levi_home | I haven't read much fiction at all lately. |
| 18:59.35 | elg | this in particular looks mildly interesting on the bookshelf: http://www.amazon.com/Saucer-Stephen-Coonts/dp/0312983212/sr=1-4/qid=1162666738/ref=sr_1_4/102-4827196-1440151?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 19:00.11 | Sargun | nick125_, why is your connection being retarded? |
| 19:00.19 | nick125 | lol |
| 19:00.38 | bonez39 | Sargun, still alive here..was just subscribing online to LinuxJournal.... |
| 19:00.43 | elg | anyone have any fiction I must read that will be in my library? |
| 19:00.48 | Sargun | ah. |
| 19:00.50 | Sargun | Cool. |
| 19:00.59 | nick125 | bonez39: want to renew my subscription while your at it? :P |
| 19:01.05 | bonez39 | Sargun, who is Atarack? |
| 19:01.08 | levi_home | I didn't realize he wrote Flight of the Intruder. I heard that in audiobook form at some point. |
| 19:01.16 | bonez39 | nick125, hmmm, my card is maxed....sorry... |
| 19:01.26 | levi_home | It kept my interest, as I recall, but I was a pretty captive audience. |
| 19:01.28 | Sargun | bonez39, Me and nick125's company. That was sort of a joke, but we do PBX setups. |
| 19:01.37 | nick125 | bonez39: darn :( |
| 19:01.54 | Sargun | bonez39, What exactly are you unsure of? |
| 19:02.27 | levi_home | elg: You have any Kurt Vonnegut in your library? |
| 19:02.32 | elg | nope |
| 19:02.38 | bonez39 | Sargun, I need to get a server machine first...... and then I am uneasy about comcast.... are they going to shut me down if i have asterisk running and if I run othr server stuff, over their wire? |
| 19:02.39 | elg | oh you mean my public library. who knows |
| 19:02.40 | elg | maybe? |
| 19:02.49 | levi_home | Well, surely in your public library. |
| 19:03.01 | Sargun | nick125_, PM |
| 19:03.10 | levi_home | Are you asking about stuff you might find in your personal library or your public library? |
| 19:03.33 | Sargun | bonez39, Servers/VPSes are not expensive at all. |
| 19:04.11 | elg | public |
| 19:04.15 | elg | i've read everything I have |
| 19:04.31 | Sargun | bonez39, Do you prefer phone or IRC? |
| 19:04.33 | levi_home | Ahh. Well, I'd recommend Vonnegut then. |
| 19:04.54 | bonez39 | Sargun, prefer phone or IRC for what? our discussions about doing business? |
| 19:05.11 | Sargun | Discussion about your phone system. |
| 19:05.39 | levi_home | He wrote stuff that could be considered sci-fi, but he's filed in the literature section in my library. |
| 19:07.03 | bonez39 | Sargun, here's fine for now.....but an email outlining what we could do, with our current access...and how it might empower us more, without costing a bunch more...or by even saving us some.....would help |
| 19:07.03 | levi_home | His most famous book is probably Slaughterhouse-Five. |
| 19:07.37 | Sargun | bonez39, What features do you want exactly from your PBX? |
| 19:07.59 | levi_home | I haven't read that one, though. |
| 19:10.24 | levi_home | If you're interested in non-fiction as well, Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" was very entertaining. |
| 19:10.49 | levi_home | I got it for my dad for Christmas one year, and he loved it too. |
| 19:15.56 | levi_home | Philip K. Dick stories are often pretty entertaining. And one of my favorite sci-fi books is a collection of Heinlein short stories called 'The Past Through Tomorrow' |
| 19:16.34 | Sargun | bonez39, if you want to use the phone call: 712-432-5145, hit 2, and go to the conference of 8647. |
| 19:16.47 | Sargun | 8647=VoIP on keypad |
| 19:19.09 | Sargun | bonez39, PING. |
| 19:20.00 | levi_home | elg: Oh, if you haven't read it, C. S. Lewis wrote a retelling of Greek myth called 'Till We Have Faces' that's pretty good. |
| 19:20.48 | levi_home | It was his last novel, IIRC, and his personal favorite. |
| 19:25.58 | levi_home | elg: Are you getting these suggestions, or have you drifted off into oblivion? ;) |
| 19:36.50 | bonez39 | Sargun, I had a couple patients .. was tied up a bit....but they finally released me..! |
| 19:37.01 | Sargun | heh. |
| 19:37.03 | Sargun | S'ok. |
| 19:37.33 | bonez39 | Sargun, wha's the phone ..is that to you, to discuss my pbx? |
| 19:37.42 | Sargun | thats me and nick. |
| 19:39.08 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 19:39.30 | Sargun | Yes, to discuss your PBX. |
| 19:39.34 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 19:42.45 | Sargun | are you joining? |
| 19:42.59 | Sargun | It seems to have stalled, or your not hitting pound. |
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| 20:33.34 | Sargun | bonez39, I forgot to ask, why don't you run a cable line at the office. |
| 20:39.20 | elg | levi_home: sort of |
| 20:40.09 | elg | I already went. the library didn't have the clancy book I had targeted so I had to wiffle around on that, and also choose another. and I was in a bit of a hurry. I had hoped to get Card's Worthing Saga but they didn't have that either |
| 20:40.26 | nick125 | Sargun: what do you mean by that btw? |
| 20:40.47 | Sargun | nick125, he said cable is cheaper. |
| 20:41.06 | nick125 | Sargun: no. just no. |
| 20:41.19 | Sargun | lol |
| 20:41.28 | nick125 | Sargun: PM |
| 20:43.06 | Sargun | mheath, its ok... |
| 20:43.12 | Sargun | mheath, How do you feel about that? |
| 20:45.21 | Sargun | It is ok if your having trouble with answering that... |
| 20:45.44 | macnewbol1 | elg: card's worthing saga is really good. I've read almost all of his stuff. |
| 20:45.47 | mheath | Sargun: I actually have no clue what you are talking about. |
| 20:46.07 | elg | i like card. loved the enders series(es) and homecoming series |
| 20:46.09 | mheath | I was confused about everything you were saying, not one specific point. |
| 20:46.21 | Sargun | mheath, How do you feel about being confused though? |
| 20:46.31 | mheath | ..... |
| 20:46.32 | elg | although some of the series just don't look interesting to me |
| 20:46.42 | mheath | elg: They vary wildly |
| 20:46.45 | mheath | In genre, even. |
| 20:46.51 | mheath | From Sci Fi to political novels. |
| 20:47.00 | mheath | oh, I was talking about Enders |
| 20:47.10 | mheath | I guess you were talking about all of his works :P |
| 20:47.30 | mheath | But, my comment is true for all of his works too, I guess |
| 20:47.43 | elg | more true for all his work, but you're right about ender series too |
| 20:48.00 | macnewbol1 | ender's rocks - all of it |
| 20:49.58 | mheath | Assuming the machines SOLE purpose is to run OpenOffice.org BASE, do you think a 450Mhz machine is up to the task? |
| 20:50.24 | mheath | 450 Mhz, 64MB of RAM...no other unnecessary processes, just X11, and OpenOffice.org |
| 20:50.36 | Sargun | nice. |
| 20:50.38 | jbellis | mheath: no, 64MB just isn't enough |
| 20:50.43 | Sargun | Thats like a VPS. |
| 20:50.44 | Sargun | :-P |
| 20:50.54 | mheath | jbellis: Open Office won't run at all with 64MB? |
| 20:51.10 | jbellis | will it run? yes. will it swap like hell? probably |
| 20:51.10 | Sargun | mheath, OO.org will hate your guts at 64 MB RAM. |
| 20:51.14 | nick125 | if you have enough swap, it would probably run, but, not anywhere smoothly |
| 20:51.21 | Sargun | Swap = slow |
| 20:51.23 | nick125 | *anywhere near |
| 20:51.35 | mheath | The entire purpose of the machine is just to let someone fill out one form in Openoffice.org Base |
| 20:51.41 | Sargun | heh |
| 20:51.50 | Sargun | make it internet based |
| 20:51.55 | mheath | oh, wait, nevermind! It has ~182 MB of RAM. I forgot it had been upgraded. |
| 20:51.56 | Sargun | and use NCSA mosaic. |
| 20:52.04 | mheath | Sargun: no network access where the machine is going to be. |
| 20:52.10 | Sargun | ah. |
| 20:52.24 | mheath | Unauthorized network access is actually a federal offense where the machine is going to be. :P |
| 20:52.36 | mheath | One other question. |
| 20:52.45 | mheath | Can anyone suggest a method of marking inventory, nummerically? |
| 20:52.51 | mheath | It's clothing, so a sticker won't work |
| 20:53.04 | mheath | Is a stamp + permanent ink the only real cheap option? |
| 20:53.09 | elg | i'm interested in what everyone thinks this laptop should sell for. http://pastie.caboo.se/21209 |
| 20:53.24 | elg | mheath: no way 64MB will do it |
| 20:53.43 | mheath | elg: but 182 will :) |
| 20:53.47 | elg | maybe |
| 20:53.53 | elg | if it's the only app running |
| 20:54.09 | mheath | It will be enough. |
| 20:54.20 | mheath | My laptop had 256MB of RAM, if I remember correctly |
| 20:54.26 | mheath | and 64MB was dedicated to video |
| 20:54.37 | mheath | It ran open office.org no problem |
| 20:54.41 | elg | My computer had 256 for a looong time, and OOo was always a problem |
| 20:54.43 | mheath | (since upgraded to 1024 + 128) |
| 20:54.45 | elg | until I upgraded |
| 20:54.50 | elg | so it depends on what else you might be running |
| 20:55.09 | mheath | elg: Umm, I think it should sell for.......$5. |
| 20:55.20 | mheath | Where are you going to be selling it at? |
| 20:55.22 | mheath | ;-) |
| 20:55.44 | elg | not here :) |
| 20:55.52 | Sargun | mheath, Is there any sort of badge you could sew/iron onto these? |
| 20:56.10 | mheath | elg: Seriously, though, if you'd be interested in selling it for cheap, I am looking for a cheap laptop computer to handle paperwork, inventory management, etc. for a local non-profit youth organization. |
| 20:56.38 | mheath | Sargun: Don't have the time to do that. |
| 20:56.51 | mheath | We're talking about an existing inventory of hundreds of items |
| 20:56.57 | Sargun | ah. |
| 20:57.14 | mheath | Including items like shoes. |
| 20:58.09 | elg | i already have a buyer, just trying to figure out the fair price |
| 20:58.34 | elg | what about rfid? |
| 20:58.47 | Sargun | mheath, RFID |
| 20:58.53 | elg | then you could track your cadets' movements |
| 20:58.57 | mheath | haha |
| 20:58.59 | macnewbold | haha |
| 20:59.02 | Sargun | :-) |
| 20:59.04 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:59.18 | macnewbold | or let your enemy track their targets very accurately :) |
| 20:59.22 | Sargun | hahaaha |
| 20:59.52 | Sargun | But seriously -- what about barcodes? |
| 21:00.09 | macnewbold | yeah, on the forehead |
| 21:00.12 | Sargun | Get a bunch of iron on stuff print it out |
| 21:00.24 | mheath | Sargun: that won't survive washing. |
| 21:00.26 | Sargun | Iron on takes 30 seconds per garment. |
| 21:00.30 | mheath | Not in a readable way. |
| 21:00.35 | mheath | And thats very time consuming, still. |
| 21:00.45 | Sargun | mhmm. |
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| 21:00.57 | mheath | We're just looking at a simple way to keep track of inventory. |
| 21:01.41 | mheath | How expensive are barcode scanners? |
| 21:02.37 | mheath | "I didn't close any of your programs! I just logged out, and closed the lid on the laptop..." |
| 21:02.38 | macnewbold | mheath: what level of tracking do you need? individual items, or just quantities of different things? |
| 21:02.50 | mheath | macnewbold: I'd LIKE to implement individual items |
| 21:03.04 | macnewbold | do they already have some kind of serial number on them? |
| 21:03.10 | macnewbold | or would you have to add one? |
| 21:03.12 | mheath | No, unfortunately. |
| 21:03.14 | mheath | I'd have to add one |
| 21:03.18 | mheath | which is what my questions was about |
| 21:03.28 | macnewbold | those little price sticker guns might work? |
| 21:03.36 | macnewbold | just need a bunch of stickers numbered serially or something |
| 21:03.37 | mheath | macnewbold: This is for clothing |
| 21:03.46 | mheath | IE, has to resist washing |
| 21:03.52 | macnewbold | oh, permanant? |
| 21:04.01 | macnewbold | are they rental clothing or something? |
| 21:04.14 | macnewbold | fabric markers would work |
| 21:04.26 | mheath | macnewbold: Uniform items for Sea Cadet youth organization, that the youth can checkout |
| 21:04.56 | elg | oh so it has to withstand saltwater too |
| 21:05.07 | macnewbold | if there's a place you can mark them, I'd go with fabric markers, and you can number each of them |
| 21:05.08 | mheath | I'm thinking of just tracking quantities in an acurate way |
| 21:05.19 | mheath | IE, the clothing hangers would have a barcode or something attached |
| 21:05.51 | mheath | When the cadet returns an item, its matched up with a [new] barcode and hung back up |
| 21:05.55 | macnewbold | if you can just do hangers instead of the garment itself, the salt water and washing problems go away completely |
| 21:06.06 | macnewbold | oh |
| 21:06.08 | macnewbold | yeah, or that |
| 21:06.35 | macnewbold | are you going to be tracking locations of the garments too, or just "is it here or not, and if not, who has it"? |
| 21:07.23 | mheath | I'd like to track locations, but its a resonably simple layout |
| 21:07.39 | mheath | 3 large double layered rows of bars to hang stuff up on |
| 21:07.58 | mheath | and a back room where shoes and misc. is kept on shelves |
| 21:08.22 | mheath | Theres two issues we're trying to solve |
| 21:08.39 | mheath | 1. Cadets are failing to return items when they no longer need them or when they disenroll from our program |
| 21:08.42 | mheath | and |
| 21:09.08 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 21:09.23 | Sargun | mheath, Barcode scanners are like $15 |
| 21:09.32 | Sargun | mheath, well, surplus ones. |
| 21:09.34 | mheath | 2. Uniform items of different sizes are mixed up, difficult to find, and just issuing new uniforms is a much more difficult process than necessary |
| 21:09.37 | macnewbold | but usually have to attach to a computer |
| 21:09.38 | mheath | Sargun: link? |
| 21:09.51 | mheath | macnewbold: well, as long as it's Linux compatible, I have said computer. |
| 21:09.59 | Sargun | mheath, I bought one at weird science (local surplus store) a few months ago. |
| 21:10.01 | macnewbold | serial port usually, or maybe USB now |
| 21:10.07 | macnewbold | ebay? |
| 21:10.12 | Sargun | It was serial. |
| 21:10.41 | mheath | I'd like to implement a system that keeps track of 1) What uniform items are here, 2) What uniform items each cadet has, 3) Where in this medium-sized supply room each item is located |
| 21:10.51 | macnewbold | mheath: marking the clothing with a fabric marker with size,etc. and a number, then barcoding hangers to particular locations would probably work |
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| 21:27.03 | mheath | Or even what I need is kind of a library checkout program, but more flexible |
| 21:27.15 | mheath | IE, lets me edit an items attributes so it isn't restricted to just having books |
| 21:27.28 | mheath | I think I'll just keep it really simple for now |
| 21:27.39 | mheath | and just keep track of what items are checked out to whom |
| 21:31.44 | macnewbold | there's one called media mate that is a checkout system like that |
| 21:41.12 | mheath | be back later. |
| 21:41.16 | mheath | work, too |
| 21:54.06 | Tene | Anyone know if I can use a .fon file as a font in linux? |
| 21:54.35 | elg | poor friend |
| 21:54.42 | elg | had a hard drive crash in a big way |
| 21:55.41 | elg | had to buy a hard drive, lose everything that was on the old one, and he couldn't find his restore disk (HP pavilion) so he's stuck with Windows 2000 instead of XP and no office/works/whatever |
| 21:56.10 | elg | I couldn't get ubuntu to install, it was going at a terrible crawl (probably because of RAM) and I forgot to put on OOo |
| 21:56.29 | Tene | if you have that little ram, isn't 2k supposed to be better? |
| 22:12.00 | elg | I'd think yes |
| 22:12.04 | elg | who knows why it came with px |
| 22:12.09 | elg | probably was hip at the time |
| 22:12.20 | elg | it had 128M ram which I would think to be enough for ubuntu |
| 22:12.42 | elg | but it just plain crawled. Like it would have taken hours for gnome to finish coming up |
| 22:13.04 | elg | I was able to switch to a console and do things like lspci there and so on |
| 22:14.42 | elg | at first I suspected the cdrom drive, but windows installed at a normal pace without issue |
| 22:19.43 | elg | and the check cd option passed with flying colors |
| 22:27.39 | levi_home | Weird. |
| 22:28.13 | levi_home | elg: You figure out how much to sell it for? |
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| 22:31.24 | elg | yeah |
| 22:31.35 | elg | settled on $350 |
| 22:31.52 | levi_home | Ahh. I was hoping it might sell for a little more. ;) |
| 22:32.09 | levi_home | But that's not too bad. |
| 22:32.23 | elg | similar going on ebay for $400-$500 |
| 22:32.28 | elg | mine's cosmetically challenged |
| 22:32.34 | elg | and it's family |
| 22:32.49 | levi_home | Yeah, mine's got some wear, too. |
| 22:33.45 | elg | ah but has yours been dropped on the pavement? :) |
| 22:34.54 | levi_home | Nope. It's just got some slight discoloration where the heels of my hands sit, some shiny keys, and some fine scratches on the outside of the lucite. |
| 22:36.05 | levi_home | Man, I have almost 4 Gb of programming-related videos I'm copying off my laptop and onto my file server. |
| 22:36.29 | elg | yeah, mine has embedded asphault on the top cover, a lot of scratching from the backpack, and normal wear on the inside.(L, A, C, . keys the letter has rubbed off, palm discoloration, etc.) |
| 22:38.56 | levi_home | elg: You might find this useful: http://boinkor.net/archives/2006/11/hacking_objective_c_for_fun_an.html |
| 22:40.24 | elg | interesting, but what does it _do_? |
| 22:44.16 | levi_home | It makes your ssh known hosts available to Quicksilver so you can ssh to them from the QS box. |
| 22:44.21 | levi_home | (I think) |
| 22:47.03 | levi_home | Ah, I found the author on IRC and asked him. |
| 22:48.28 | levi_home | When you type the name of a host in your known_hosts file into the QS box, it launches a ssh session to that host in a terminal. |
| 22:52.54 | levi_home | Heh, "If you want a programming language implementation, you have to pick two out of three features: Good performance, expressive language, or popularity." |
| 22:55.15 | elg | certainly seems axiomatically true. :) |
| 22:56.42 | levi_home | Sadly, yes.. |
| 22:57.30 | levi_home | It was a quote of Slava Pestov, erstwhile JEdit programmer and currently author and maintainer of the Factor language. Which is cool, but definitely not popular. :) |
| 22:57.58 | Tene | What if I only want one of the features? |
| 22:58.17 | levi_home | Tene: Well, it should say at most two of the three. |
| 22:58.35 | Tene | Intercal! |
| 23:00.23 | levi_home | Mmm, computed COME FROM statements. |
| 23:01.43 | levi_home | There are, of course, a whole class of esoteric languages with none of the three listed features. |
| 23:02.21 | Tene | Of course. |
| 23:02.52 | Tene | VB! |
| 23:04.03 | nick125 | ugh |
| 23:04.05 | Tene | VB! |
| 23:04.07 | nick125 | my ssh connection is lagging |
| 23:04.16 | nick125 | stupid DSL line |
| 23:05.05 | levi_home | Tene: VB is actually popular, though, if you count popularity by lines of code written or copies of the runtime in use or other such reasonable metrics. |
| 23:05.25 | Tene | Yes, I was suggesting that it had one feature |
| 23:05.46 | nick125 | lol |
| 23:05.48 | levi_home | Eric Meijer, bless his soul, actually /likes/ VB.net. |
| 23:06.26 | levi_home | Or so he says. Maybe he's just trying to get his Microsoft masters to give him a raise or something. ;) |
| 23:06.30 | Tene | I don't know who that is. |
| 23:07.07 | levi_home | He's a programming language researcher at Microsoft. He used to be active in the Haskell community. He's recently designed the LINQ query language for .net languages. |
| 23:22.49 | findlay | hello |
| 23:23.26 | elg | goodbye |
| 23:24.02 | levi_home | hi findlay |
| 23:25.40 | findlay | microsoft troubles me |
| 23:26.03 | findlay | they do things that are interesting but they do other things that are nefarious |
| 23:26.37 | levi_home | It is a large company; it's bound to be somewhat schizophrenic. |
| 23:26.46 | findlay | heh |
| 23:27.34 | macnewbold | microsoft research does some good stuff |
| 23:27.46 | macnewbold | it's the product and marketing people that are evil, for the most part |
| 23:27.54 | macnewbold | many of the developers aren't bad either |
| 23:30.12 | levi_home | macnewbold: You work for Novell, though, don't you? You're IN LEAGUE WITH THE BEAST now. ;) |
| 23:30.17 | macnewbold | levi_home: no way! |
| 23:30.20 | levi_home | macnewbold: Your opinions can't be trusted! ;) |
| 23:30.27 | macnewbold | www.codegreene.com and www.gradefix.com are where I work |
| 23:30.44 | levi_home | Ahh, okay. Must have confused you with someone else. |
| 23:30.48 | macnewbold | haha |
| 23:30.53 | macnewbold | yeah, I hope so |
| 23:31.05 | macnewbold | I don't like big evil corporations |
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