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| 00:01.46 | findlay | heh, I was testing for p, not *p |
| 00:03.53 | mrpull | findlay: doh! |
| 00:04.06 | mrpull | findlay: I hope you have a good reason to be using c :) |
| 00:04.36 | findlay | it's the language this program was written in |
| 00:05.01 | findlay | ~date |
| 00:05.03 | ibot | It is now 2006.10.31 0:05:03 GMT |
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| 00:43.41 | calvarez | hello |
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| 01:58.56 | findlay | ~pop mheath |
| 01:58.57 | ibot | ibot offers mheath a thin mint. |
| 02:05.52 | mheath | findlay: are you at all familiar with PHP? |
| 02:05.53 | elg | http://www.archive.org/details/nosferatu |
| 02:06.08 | mheath | or, is anyone who's around familiar with PHP? |
| 02:07.06 | Tene | I am and wish I weren't. |
| 02:07.10 | Tene | That count? |
| 02:08.12 | mheath | I have: if (!isset($_GET['section'])) { $section = "none"; } else { $section = $_GET['section']; } |
| 02:08.21 | mheath | Then, lower down, I have a: |
| 02:09.09 | mheath | if ($section === 'personnel') echo '<b>'; |
| 02:09.40 | mheath | but when I go to: index.php?section="personnel" the text isn't bolded. |
| 02:10.38 | Tene | echo "<h1>$section</h1>" right before that second if statement |
| 02:11.19 | tristanbob_ | ok, I am looking for some opinions - which of these racing games do you prefer? |
| 02:11.23 | tristanbob_ | Trigger - http://www.positro.net/trigger/ |
| 02:11.23 | tristanbob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.26 | mheath | Tene: nothing shows up |
| 02:12.29 | Tene | there's a function to print an array... |
| 02:12.34 | Tene | do it on $_REQUEST |
| 02:13.24 | mheath | nevermind, I figured it out |
| 02:13.30 | Tene | what was it? |
| 02:13.41 | mheath | section=personnel not section="personnel" |
| 02:13.55 | mheath | section="personnel" shows up as /"personnel/" |
| 02:13.59 | mheath | escaped "'s |
| 02:14.00 | Tene | ahh |
| 02:14.31 | mheath | BTW, "echo <h1>$section</h1>" doesn't work for some reason |
| 02:14.50 | mheath | I had to do echo '<h1>'.$section.'</h1>' |
| 02:14.57 | Tene | huh |
| 02:15.05 | Tene | maybe I misremember PHP's quoting constructs. |
| 02:15.29 | mheath | " " causes it to try to evaluate escapes and such |
| 02:15.37 | mheath | which doesn't play nice with <h1> and </h1> |
| 02:15.52 | mheath | you need ' and ' for those |
| 02:17.40 | harleypig | Can anyone tell me of a program that can discover what the horizontal and vertical refresh rates of my monitor are? |
| 02:17.54 | harleypig | Or at least how to find out what type of monitor it is so I can search for it? |
| 02:18.09 | harleypig | X.log is reporting it as a generic monitor. |
| 02:19.11 | mheath | harleypig: No labels? |
| 02:19.18 | mheath | No labels, stickers, etc? |
| 02:20.04 | harleypig | lcd display attached to my laptop |
| 02:21.33 | harleypig | all I know is that it's a 17" WUXGA with 1920x1200 resolution |
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| 03:13.30 | mheath | I really hate to ask, but does anyone have a copy of Microsoft Office? |
| 03:14.01 | mheath | I've got a powerpoint presentation that I'm going to distribute to some people who only have MS Office, but I created it in Open Office |
| 03:14.13 | mheath | Wanted someone to check to see if it opens / looks right in MS Office |
| 03:14.17 | tristanbob_ | ahhh |
| 03:14.24 | tristanbob_ | use the viewer |
| 03:14.54 | levi_home | Heh, Vorlath is still writing voluminous amounts of the same old stuff. |
| 03:19.00 | mheath | Odd, the viewer returns an error |
| 03:19.05 | vontrapp | so the appartment internet costs $15 a month, for a whopping 25Kb/s |
| 03:19.05 | mheath | Really vague "Cannot open _____" |
| 03:19.48 | vontrapp | what are the chances of getting some alternative internet service to a complex overrun with gajillions of wireless aps? |
| 03:20.12 | vontrapp | probably would have to go with wired (cable, fibernet, ethernet, something) |
| 03:20.29 | mheath | Someone take a look at http://heath.boldlygoingnowhere.org/cms/presentations/syllabus1.1.html |
| 03:20.37 | mheath | flash required, sorry |
| 03:20.47 | mheath | Tell me what you think of the theme / look |
| 03:21.05 | mheath | (It's just an open office presentation exported to flash) |
| 03:34.24 | Sargun | I'm trying to explain someone about a key logger (the physical ones) |
| 03:39.24 | tensai | vontrapp: wireless could work, best if it was horizontally polarized |
| 03:39.47 | vontrapp | why is that? |
| 03:40.10 | tensai | 8db of separation between vertial and horizontal. consumer wireless is all vertical. |
| 03:40.29 | tensai | (for every 3db your signal strength doubles) |
| 03:41.39 | vontrapp | so how do i get a provider to give me horizontal? |
| 03:41.41 | tensai | horizontal is also nice because it cuts through trees better |
| 03:41.53 | tensai | find a provider who can turn an antenna on its side |
| 03:42.58 | tensai | I don't know much about ISPs in utah aside from what I hear on plug |
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| 03:46.12 | tensai | there are also WISPs operating in licensed frequencies. those would be unaffected by all the 802.11. |
| 03:47.16 | vontrapp | how much can one expect to pay for such an isp? |
| 03:49.15 | tensai | should be competetive as anything else, although wireless bandwidth is a little more scarce so you might pay more for higher speeds. |
| 03:49.26 | tensai | 30-60 I would say |
| 03:49.43 | tensai | we just bumped our bandwidth caps to 2.5mbit |
| 03:50.22 | vontrapp | i don't need anything nearly that high |
| 03:50.40 | tensai | but you know you want it |
| 03:50.44 | vontrapp | 300kbit or so would be sufficient |
| 03:50.57 | vontrapp | i want it, but i don't want to pay for it |
| 03:51.02 | tensai | I've seen 512kbit for $30-40 |
| 03:51.14 | vontrapp | however, i am toying with the idea of servicing my neighbors for a fee |
| 03:51.40 | vontrapp | over my wrt54g |
| 03:51.49 | tensai | just make sure you're not violating terms of service. it would be a shame to get cut off. |
| 03:52.15 | tensai | although in all likelihood nobody would ever know |
| 03:52.40 | vontrapp | i never understood that, if your paying for the bandwidth, what does it matter how you use it, but yeah i would make sure it's 'ok' |
| 03:53.28 | tensai | that's the thing, you're not really paying for the bandwidth. your ISP over-sells its bandwidth by at least 3:1. |
| 03:53.55 | vontrapp | tensai: if i had 2.5mbit i would seed bunches of bitmetv torrents and get gobs of share-ratio status |
| 03:54.03 | tensai | some people make that out to be such a bad thing, but it's not. if you had to pay full price for your bandwidth you'd cry. |
| 03:54.18 | tensai | bitmetv? |
| 03:54.58 | vontrapp | si, it's a moderated community of torrenters |
| 03:56.33 | tensai | ah, invite-only even |
| 03:56.47 | vontrapp | used to not be (when i joined) |
| 03:56.53 | levi_home | Ahh, apparently Perl6 (in Pugs, at least) got continuations on Oct 9. |
| 03:56.54 | vontrapp | i have several invites now |
| 03:58.11 | findlay | mheath: no |
| 03:59.25 | findlay | tensai: why is bandwidth sold for 3 times less than its worth? |
| 03:59.40 | findlay | does qwest/comcast charge at about that rate? |
| 04:00.09 | findlay | what about the real going rates of community broadband like utopia, iprovo, etc.? |
| 04:00.14 | tensai | findlay: they oversell but I couldn't say by how much |
| 04:00.45 | levi_home | Ooh, Pete Ashdown just hit Slashdot. |
| 04:00.55 | vontrapp | findlay: because when they sell you x bandwidth, the only expect your average usage to be smaller |
| 04:00.59 | tensai | findlay: the point is you sell bandwidth for 3 times less than its worth and then sell 3 times as much. it's deceptive in the sense that if everybody tried to use it, the resources just aren't there. |
| 04:01.16 | tensai | same is true of phones though. ever gotten the "all circuits are busy"? |
| 04:01.37 | tensai | I did just today, actually. but generally you don't. except on Mother's Day |
| 04:01.37 | levi_home | The same is true of banks, too. |
| 04:02.11 | findlay | if everybody went to the bank, you'd have to wait for 3 hours? |
| 04:02.39 | elg | the same is true of irc lurkers |
| 04:02.39 | tensai | findlay: no, that's the DMV and 3 hours is the norm |
| 04:02.47 | levi_home | If everyone with an account at your bank went to your local branch to withdraw everything, that branch would run out of money. |
| 04:02.48 | elg | if everyone tried to talk at once, it's be chaos |
| 04:03.06 | findlay | heh, this dude's 'music' is so loud I can hear it two rooms away |
| 04:03.10 | elg | levi_home, findlay: see "It's a Wonderful Life" |
| 04:03.33 | elg | ~lart goozbach |
| 04:03.45 | vontrapp | does everybody try to talk at once on "it's a wonderful life?" |
| 04:03.53 | tensai | everybody should see the SNL alternate ending to It's a Wonderful Life |
| 04:04.15 | levi_home | I have a track from the Decemberists' new album stuck in my head. |
| 04:04.24 | tensai | the old guy remembers that Potter took the money so they rush over and beat him to death |
| 04:05.07 | elg | bitmetv is ok. psychopathic "leaders" bent on refusing service to all but the most up-to-date torrent clients but otherwise easy to avoid |
| 04:05.14 | elg | has lots of good current TV |
| 04:05.37 | elg | but not much out of the mainstream internet denizen's interest |
| 04:06.11 | elg | which isn't too bad unless you're looking for food network shows (other than iron chef) or it's the great pumpkin charlie brown |
| 04:06.37 | elg | great timely downloads for <your favorite current scifi show here> |
| 04:06.47 | elg | and old Trek |
| 04:06.53 | tensai | ~lart charlie brown |
| 04:07.44 | elg | luckily I was able to find all the charlie brown specials somewhere via google to appease my wife |
| 04:07.56 | elg | I'll have to record them all to VHS, for nostalgia |
| 04:08.02 | tensai | elg: you should have told me. we had it from netflix last week. |
| 04:08.14 | tensai | elg: are you not watching my queue??? |
| 04:08.24 | elg | i check in every couple of weeks |
| 04:08.26 | elg | :) |
| 04:08.33 | elg | and promptly forget all I see |
| 04:08.41 | elg | but I got some good ideas to put things in my queue. :) |
| 04:09.03 | tensai | I added quite a few movies based on your ratings |
| 04:09.18 | elg | with 103 seeds and 129 peers, I think this is faster than downloading from you anyway |
| 04:09.33 | elg | we need to get levi in the ring |
| 04:09.42 | elg | any other netflixers? |
| 04:09.44 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 04:10.29 | elg | ha! now you're stuck by your honor as a former byu student. you can never leave the chalk circle |
| 04:10.48 | elg | it's the secret anti-byu alumni weapon |
| 04:10.53 | levi_home | Hah. |
| 04:11.11 | elg | ~byu levi_home |
| 04:11.29 | elg | ~byu $who is <action>draws a chalk circle around $who |
| 04:11.30 | ibot | okay, elg |
| 04:11.34 | elg | ~byu vontrapp |
| 04:11.35 | ibot | ACTION draws a chalk circle around elg |
| 04:11.42 | elg | doh |
| 04:12.00 | Sargun | Has the stability of XGL got any better in the past 3 months? |
| 04:12.11 | findlay | tensai: maybe it's time for ISPs to rethink how they sell bandwidth if people are continuously seeding p2p stuff? |
| 04:12.19 | levi_home | elg: I never graduated from BYU, so my chalk circle promise is no longer binding! |
| 04:12.42 | tensai | findlay: seed away. our bandwidth is 2:1 download to upload. I've got upload coming out the wazoo. |
| 04:12.46 | levi_home | Rather, they kicked me out of their chalk circle. |
| 04:13.10 | tensai | levi_home: not chalky enough for them? |
| 04:14.19 | tensai | findlay: the only problem with p2p is the packets per second. that can real cause trouble for a wireless AP. |
| 04:16.16 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:16.19 | Sargun | good luck. |
| 04:17.50 | findlay | does anybody here even use gkrellm anymore? |
| 04:17.52 | elg | wow, our frankenstein pumpkin turned out great |
| 04:18.00 | elg | findlay: I dream of using gkrellm sometimes |
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| 04:18.24 | levi_home | I haven't used gkrellm in ages. |
| 04:18.26 | findlay | how does it look in your dreams? Any UI suggestions? |
| 04:18.43 | elg | it looks better |
| 04:18.48 | elg | and doesn't have stupid things |
| 04:18.51 | findlay | well, it's still the best system monitor I know of |
| 04:19.03 | elg | yup. lots of good info in a tight package |
| 04:19.11 | elg | and it withdraws into a dock/slit |
| 04:19.15 | findlay | I like the invisible theme |
| 04:19.20 | elg | that's the best part. if you have a windowmanager cool enough for it |
| 04:19.28 | elg | xosview is pretty nice too |
| 04:19.36 | findlay | pretty customizable, dozens of themes |
| 04:19.38 | levi_home | I just don't use system monitors anymore. |
| 04:19.48 | levi_home | Except occasionally firing up top. |
| 04:20.00 | findlay | they are too primative for levi_home? |
| 04:20.15 | elg | I like to see when disk is being used, when cpu is pegged, and ram usage |
| 04:20.15 | findlay | like a monkey |
| 04:20.22 | elg | and network usage |
| 04:20.22 | findlay | and ethernet |
| 04:20.35 | findlay | and swap |
| 04:20.42 | levi_home | They just take up screen space. |
| 04:20.43 | findlay | and lm_sensors |
| 04:20.46 | elg | and I don't like that info to take up the whole status bar |
| 04:20.59 | levi_home | Most of the time, I don't really care what the status of my machine is. |
| 04:21.23 | findlay | what if it's in a state of complete shock? |
| 04:21.32 | levi_home | I can tell if things are sluggish, at which point I can fire up top on a terminal. |
| 04:21.34 | findlay | or denial? Or suicidal? |
| 04:21.35 | elg | it's nice to know when all of a sudden your box seems unresponsive it's because it's thrashing in some swap or reading a lot of stuff from disk |
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| 04:21.53 | elg | and to know that the process you just started is really doing _something_ (cpu usage) rather than waiting for input you forgot |
| 04:22.06 | elg | nice to know things that aren't worth firing up top for |
| 04:22.16 | findlay | the biggest thing for me is the sensors |
| 04:22.21 | findlay | and clock |
| 04:22.22 | elg | esp. when firing up top is a 10 minute ordeal |
| 04:22.37 | levi_home | Well, it would be nice to know if it didn't take up any screen real-estate. |
| 04:22.38 | findlay | which is why I'm hacking it to accept arbitrary strftime strings |
| 04:22.41 | elg | (I've been there. hit ctrl-c on the offending process and it finally exited 20 minutes later and things returned to normal) |
| 04:22.47 | mheath | I hate programming in PHP. Bah. |
| 04:22.55 | mheath | Though, I really like GUI layout in HTML :) |
| 04:22.58 | elg | could be worse |
| 04:23.03 | mheath | HTML + CSS rather |
| 04:23.24 | findlay | levi_home: you can customize it to take any amount of space you want |
| 04:23.30 | Keighvin | elg: the 20-minute wait time after TERM sig is usually due to the stack unwinding, and removing any swap. |
| 04:23.53 | Keighvin | A kill -9 will abort the vast majority of that wait. |
| 04:23.55 | elg | well and the delay for the process to even get the term sig |
| 04:24.14 | levi_home | findlay: If left at a useful size, it ends up obscuring something or obscured by something. |
| 04:24.19 | elg | except it took about 5 minutes to get an xterm to pop up (had a key binding) and about 30 seconds per character typed |
| 04:24.48 | elg | just switching to the window to ctrl-c in took minutes |
| 04:24.53 | findlay | levi_home: isn't that the perennial issue with screen usage for any window? |
| 04:24.58 | elg | of course, I didn't need a system monitor to tell me what was wrong then. :) |
| 04:25.27 | levi_home | findlay: Yes, but a system monitor is useless most of the time, while my other windows are being somewhat actively used. |
| 04:26.04 | Keighvin | I mostly live in a shell anyway |
| 04:26.07 | elg | levi_home: I'd love something packaged in a nice little dock icon |
| 04:26.37 | elg | with basic info in a compact yet readable form |
| 04:27.14 | levi_home | elg: I've occasionally used little system monitoring things in the OS X dock and Gnome bar, whatever it's called. But I haven't bothered installing one lately. |
| 04:27.31 | levi_home | I have a system monitoring widget on my dashboard in OS X, though. |
| 04:28.11 | findlay | Keighvin: are you a turtle? |
| 04:28.30 | elg | levi_home: what's it called? |
| 04:28.41 | Keighvin | findlay: tortoise. |
| 04:28.47 | findlay | oh |
| 04:29.03 | Keighvin | Hence the slow typing. |
| 04:29.13 | elg | the built in one? |
| 04:29.13 | levi_home | elg: SysStat |
| 04:29.16 | Keighvin | ~weaselstomp me |
| 04:29.17 | ibot | ACTION dons a viking helm, spreads some mayonnaise, and gives keighvin a good hard STOMP. Repeatedly. |
| 04:29.38 | elg | oh you said dashboard |
| 04:29.48 | elg | bleh. unless maybe I can get it on the desktop. I heard you can do that |
| 04:30.00 | Keighvin | which is itself a memory hog (re:dashboard) |
| 04:30.11 | levi_home | I think the dashboard is the perfect spot for it for me. |
| 04:30.28 | findlay | ~hug fluxbox |
| 04:30.30 | ibot | ACTION jumps into fluxbox's lap and huggles and *hugs* fluxbox! |
| 04:30.44 | Keighvin | elg: there's a "debug" hack which can be used to embed dashboard widgets in the non-dashboard space. |
| 04:31.05 | Keighvin | macosxhacks.com will have info on that I'm sure. |
| 04:31.21 | levi_home | Hmm, refurb MacBooks start at $949. |
| 04:31.26 | Keighvin | s/hacks/hints/ |
| 04:33.12 | findlay | bah, I'm strongly tempted to flip the breaker on this guy's apartment, because I know where it is |
| 04:33.22 | findlay | and this noise is making me crazy |
| 04:33.43 | Keighvin | These pretzels are making me thirsty. |
| 04:33.54 | elg | you are tempted to go flip a faucet at them |
| 04:34.20 | findlay | I'd rather be thirsty than have to live in an apartment building with party happy jerks |
| 04:34.30 | levi_home | findlay: You need good headphones. |
| 04:34.42 | findlay | can't sleep with headphones on |
| 04:34.47 | Keighvin | The longer I live in a house, the worse apartment living was. |
| 04:34.50 | elg | wanna bet? |
| 04:35.10 | findlay | maybe in zero gravity |
| 04:35.38 | Keighvin | And that's not in a purely supine position, either. |
| 04:35.51 | elg | ~dict supine |
| 04:36.51 | Keighvin | Something with a low profile that stays put - thin, over the ear & bhind the head ones have worked best for me. |
| 04:37.24 | levi_home | I found that earbuds worked pretty well. |
| 04:37.28 | Keighvin | s/bhind/behind/ |
| 04:38.06 | levi_home | They make some that go deep in your ear and expand like earplugs. They're supposed to sound really good, plus they work like earplugs to block out other noise. |
| 04:38.13 | findlay | I'd rather not have to sleep with ear stuff on |
| 04:38.15 | Keighvin | levi_home: I wish they had for me - the sound tends to be richer with the buds, but mine would either hurt or not stay put. |
| 04:38.51 | Keighvin | Probably didn't help that I was using El Cheapo brand buds, though. |
| 04:38.55 | levi_home | findlay: It's cheaper and easier than moving! |
| 04:39.06 | Keighvin | neybar: we hardly knew thee. |
| 04:39.25 | findlay | I'd rather flip the breaker |
| 04:40.01 | Keighvin | findlay: Set a timer or a remote method of doing so. At least cover your tracks. |
| 04:41.24 | Keighvin | I'm going to go curl up in front of a fire w/the wife. Later y'all! |
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| 04:45.32 | goozbach | mine ears is berning |
| 04:45.49 | elg | tensai: did it have "It's flashbeagle, charlie brown?" |
| 04:45.53 | goozbach | elg's to blame |
| 04:46.17 | goozbach | gutzy move of the night: removing your curently running kernel package |
| 04:46.22 | elg | ~lart goozbach |
| 04:46.29 | goozbach | to install another package from a different repo |
| 04:46.44 | findlay | that's not such a big deal |
| 04:47.13 | findlay | as long as you don't attempt to plug in a USB drive or hot swap memory |
| 04:47.16 | elg | unless the new kernel don't boot |
| 04:47.35 | goozbach | it's gutsier than I'd usually be |
| 04:47.45 | goozbach | today is all guts |
| 04:48.01 | goozbach | I blind-upgraded from fc4 to fc6 |
| 04:48.23 | goozbach | only that hand-picked dependancy to fix |
| 04:48.27 | goozbach | pretty impressive |
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| 04:49.12 | findlay | got me impressed |
| 04:49.49 | findlay | but you missed all the bubbly goodness of FC5 |
| 04:50.32 | levi_home | http://mercury.ccil.org/~cowan/upc/ |
| 04:52.53 | epp | fedora is buggin |
| 04:54.30 | levi_home | elg: Why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 04:54.46 | elg | a "feature" |
| 04:54.58 | elg | hans.fugal.net/blog |
| 04:56.08 | levi_home | Ahh, okay. |
| 04:56.36 | Tene | http://www.frozenreality.co.uk/comic/bunny/index.php?id=687 |
| 04:57.12 | goozbach | ok so it was a bit gutzy |
| 04:57.20 | goozbach | grub got screwed up |
| 04:57.32 | goozbach | but nothing that command line mode couldn't fix |
| 04:57.34 | goozbach | yay! |
| 04:57.45 | goozbach | now for fglrx, and compiz |
| 04:57.58 | goozbach | oh and to re-enable my network profiles |
| 04:58.15 | Tene | I think livna has fglrx |
| 04:58.54 | levi_home | A coworker of mine has fglrx and beryl running on Gentoo. It looked pretty crappy; the apps were attempting to redraw themselves while shrinking/growing. |
| 04:59.05 | Sargun | beryl? |
| 04:59.51 | epp | its like a dock right? |
| 04:59.51 | levi_home | A fork of compiz. |
| 05:00.58 | epp | levi_home, I have it running and it seems quite nice. |
| 05:01.47 | Sargun | ah. |
| 05:02.10 | levi_home | epp: What does it look like when you minimize an app? |
| 05:04.12 | Tene | levi_home: that's pretty screwed up |
| 05:05.12 | findlay | or screwed down, depending on whether you're minimizing it |
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| 05:05.51 | levi_home | Generally it looked like it wasn't properly double-buffering and hiding damage events as you'd expect it to. |
| 05:06.03 | epp | xgl? |
| 05:07.49 | epp | its smooth on my comp |
| 05:07.50 | Tene | worked fine for me with aiglx on an old nvidia card |
| 05:07.56 | epp | i gtg peace |
| 05:09.30 | elg | ~blame gentoo |
| 05:09.32 | ibot | ACTION blames gentoo (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 05:14.49 | mheath | OK, I'm looking for a Linux distro with an install thats friendly on an ailing CD-ROM drive. |
| 05:15.22 | levi_home | epp: This was aiglx and beryl. It may have been a beryl problem. |
| 05:15.23 | mheath | That means, not a giant GUI-based install thats constantly reading from the CD-ROM, and an installer that does post-copy integrity checks on the packages. |
| 05:15.56 | levi_home | mheath: You might try getting a CD-ROM drive that works. |
| 05:16.02 | mheath | levi_home: It's a laptop. |
| 05:16.19 | levi_home | Ah, your 'new' laptop? |
| 05:16.24 | mheath | Yeah. |
| 05:16.29 | mheath | I'm not too concerned, either. |
| 05:16.40 | levi_home | You might try getting a network card for it, then. |
| 05:17.08 | mheath | levi_home: I bought a USB wireless adapter |
| 05:17.27 | mheath | And it's the first piece of hardware I bought that came with vendor-provided source drivers |
| 05:17.37 | mheath | but I need to get a working Linux system before I can compile said drivers :) |
| 05:17.59 | levi_home | Don't you have linux on another box? |
| 05:18.10 | mheath | levi_home: Not at the moment. |
| 05:18.20 | mheath | I got rid of almost all of my computers, before I left for the Marine Corps |
| 05:18.32 | levi_home | There's always vmware. |
| 05:18.37 | mheath | I didn't think I'd have a need for most of them anymore |
| 05:18.41 | levi_home | Or colinux. |
| 05:19.32 | mheath | GAH. HOW THE HECK DO I CHANGE THIS CRAP?! |
| 05:19.46 | mheath | My Verizon phone came with those ringback tones |
| 05:19.55 | mheath | Music plays instead of a ringing tone when you try to call me |
| 05:19.55 | levi_home | First, you take your finger off the shift key... |
| 05:20.16 | mheath | But, the problem is, it's some REALLY bad elevator music stuff |
| 05:20.47 | mheath | And it says "Please enjoy the music while your party is reached." before. People keep thinking its some weird business number, and that they have the wrong number. |
| 05:21.01 | mheath | Ontop of that, the number I got seems to be recycled |
| 05:21.17 | mheath | some 12 year old keeps calling me, and can't seem to get it through his thick head that I'm not Jason. |
| 05:22.11 | mheath | What happened to having a normal phone? |
| 05:22.21 | mheath | That, you know, rings when you're calling people, or being called. |
| 05:22.51 | levi_home | Stupid kids with disposable income don't generally want plain old boring phones. |
| 05:23.48 | mheath | The guy at the Verizon Wireless store twisted the truth about billing SO badly |
| 05:23.50 | levi_home | So cell phones are either whiz-bang organizer gadgets with attached phones or whiz-bang flashy trinkets with all sorts of ways to sell you ringtones, graphics, and games. |
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| 05:24.18 | mheath | Told me I had to sign up for text messaging |
| 05:24.31 | mheath | Then told me that this ringback crap was automatically added to said text messaging feature |
| 05:24.49 | levi_home | mheath: Why did you buy a cell phone from a store? |
| 05:25.05 | mheath | levi_home: Rebates on the phone. |
| 05:25.10 | levi_home | Especially without researching everything beforehand? |
| 05:25.20 | tensai | yeah, all the cool guys buy their phones from a guy in a trench coat |
| 05:25.33 | tensai | or out of the trunk of a buick |
| 05:25.50 | mheath | levi_home: I did research. I got the phone I wanted, and (after calling his bluff on dozens of points) kept my bill reasonable. |
| 05:25.54 | findlay | I get all my phones from out of my deal box |
| 05:25.57 | levi_home | Or... from an online store, where you don't have to deal with sleazy salespeople. |
| 05:26.07 | findlay | (which for some strange reason was called "spam") |
| 05:26.14 | mheath | levi_home: we were doing some weird stuff, though |
| 05:26.24 | mheath | Changing some weird plans in weird ways, moving a couple of numbers to a couple new phones. |
| 05:26.38 | mheath | It was all really complicated, and all really required the intervention of a customer service person |
| 05:26.41 | findlay | I think its a nice feature of email that people send you deals all the time and they end up in the deal box |
| 05:26.58 | mheath | I hate Verizon now, to be honest.. ] |
| 05:26.59 | levi_home | findlay: And how about all those cool stock tips? |
| 05:27.04 | findlay | seems like most clients like to call it spam |
| 05:27.04 | mheath | Now that I'm paying the bill myself. |
| 05:27.14 | mheath | ~lart Doctors |
| 05:27.16 | levi_home | mheath: All telecommunications companies suck. |
| 05:27.27 | mheath | I was hoping to have all my medical stuff done my this week |
| 05:28.31 | mheath | But its like...Doctor A refers to to Doctors B and C. B orders blood tests that take a week, C does an MRI which requires the review of a radiologist. The results of blood tests and the opinions of said radiologist are then returned to Doctor A, necessitating yet another appointment with this already-rediculously-booked doctor |
| 05:29.18 | mheath | ~lart blood tests |
| 05:29.28 | mheath | ~lart medical interns who can't find the vein |
| 05:30.18 | mheath | "Oh, it was only a tablespoon of blood" |
| 05:30.34 | mheath | No way they filled up those freakin 6 vials of with 1 tablespoon. |
| 05:30.51 | mheath | Getting 1 tablespoon of blood drawn doesn't cause me to nearly pass out. |
| 05:31.07 | mheath | </rant> |
| 05:31.12 | mheath | Time to go to sleep! |
| 05:31.26 | levi_home | Thank you for stopping your rants. Goodnight! |
| 05:31.41 | mheath | Heh. |
| 05:31.42 | findlay | *RANT*!!1 |
| 05:31.47 | mheath | Sorry, levi_home :P |
| 05:31.54 | findlay | </rant> |
| 05:32.31 | findlay | these Mozart string trios are a rare treasure |
| 05:33.05 | levi_home | The Decemberists 12-minute prog rock epic 'The Island' is a rare treasure, too. |
| 05:33.28 | levi_home | Lots of Hammond B3 organ. |
| 05:34.23 | findlay | mm, Grumiaux Trio |
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| 05:34.40 | levi_home | It's a retelling of Shakespeare's 'The Tempest' |
| 05:40.07 | Sargun | Whats a good bluetooth headset? |
| 05:40.30 | findlay | if I had a bluetooth headset, I'd paint it yellow |
| 05:40.47 | Tene | ibot: bluetooth |
| 05:40.48 | ibot | bluetooth is probably at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone, or at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/chan_btp+%E2%80%94+Bluetooth+Presence+Tutorial |
| 05:40.53 | findlay | Mozart is teh roxorz |
| 05:42.42 | Sargun | Whats a good bluetooth headset? |
| 05:42.45 | Sargun | err |
| 05:42.48 | findlay | heh |
| 05:42.48 | Sargun | wrong thingy. |
| 05:42.49 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:43.05 | Sargun | I want stereophonic |
| 05:43.09 | Sargun | i don't wanna waste battery |
| 05:43.11 | Sargun | on my phone |
| 05:43.36 | Tene | Sargun: your phone uses battery to talk to bluetooth devices |
| 05:44.19 | Sargun | Tene, I know |
| 05:44.25 | Sargun | I am looking at extended battery |
| 05:44.33 | Sargun | maybe getting a fuel cell from BL |
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| 05:47.08 | findlay | just wait until I have my miroscopic fusion reactor |
| 05:47.17 | findlay | should fit in normal battery sockets |
| 05:47.35 | findlay | except it delivers factors of 10 more energy :/ |
| 05:50.45 | Sargun | I wish there was a decent CDMA smart device. |
| 05:50.56 | Sargun | preferably with linux |
| 06:08.20 | com4 | do any of yous guys use a mac? |
| 06:27.19 | findlay | nope |
| 06:27.24 | findlay | none of me does |
| 06:29.26 | com4 | well that's no fun |
| 06:29.49 | com4 | os x is the bad parts of linux and windows |
| 06:57.41 | spr_ | I guess I'm in the terminal too much to notice that |
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| 07:22.12 | Sargun | I have an +IDIOT+ friend who lost the passwords on the Apple laptop he got from the school. Its bricked because we broke Mac OS X, and the OpenFirmware is passworded, what can I do? |
| 07:33.16 | Tene | Sargun: it's worthless and nobody will even buy it. If you give me $10 I'll take it off your hands. |
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| 13:33.55 | elg | hauppy haulloween |
| 13:39.39 | elg | ~lart goozbach |
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| 13:47.55 | mheath | ~halloween |
| 13:47.58 | ibot | mheath, the Halloween Papers are available at http://www.opensource.org/halloween/ |
| 13:55.38 | graphyx | sjansen: What's the occassion? |
| 13:55.57 | sjansen | do I need an occasion to come torture goozbach? |
| 13:56.13 | graphyx | no. |
| 13:56.18 | graphyx | But you don't usually show up.. |
| 13:56.22 | graphyx | anyone more. |
| 13:57.23 | mheath | hmm |
| 13:57.28 | mheath | Anyone run Slackware? |
| 13:57.45 | mheath | Been ages since I ran it. When I ran it last, there was 3 CD's worth. Now there are 6 |
| 13:57.54 | mheath | just wondering if someone could give me a rundown of whats on each |
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| 14:13.39 | redbeard1 | ~torture goozbach |
| 14:13.42 | ibot | ACTION forces goozbach to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. |
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| 14:44.33 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 14:44.49 | Keighvin | Hehe - you got "tutored!" |
| 14:51.09 | redbeard1 | ~whaleslap Keighvin |
| 14:51.11 | ibot | ACTION beats Keighvin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 14:52.08 | Keighvin | ~whalestab redbeard1 |
| 14:52.11 | ibot | ACTION stabs redbeard1 with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 14:52.47 | Keighvin | Meh. |
| 14:53.27 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: you coming into work today, you slacker? |
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| 14:59.26 | Keighvin | Dunno just yet. |
| 14:59.34 | Keighvin | Yesterday I was officially "out sick." |
| 15:00.02 | Keighvin | I had a Dr.'s appt. previously scheduled for this morning up here in SLC, so if I'm coming in it'll be after that. |
| 15:00.22 | Keighvin | At least until 3pm, that is. |
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| 15:26.08 | redbeard1 | ~gatech |
| 15:26.10 | ibot | from memory, gatech is where calvarez is? |
| 15:26.21 | calvarez | lol |
| 15:26.37 | redbeard1 | ~haha ibot |
| 15:26.38 | ibot | ACTION beats ibot about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 15:26.53 | calvarez | redbeard1, you seem infatuated with me |
| 15:26.59 | calvarez | sorry, it cannot be, I'm married |
| 15:27.10 | calvarez | but I'll keep a place for you in my heart |
| 15:27.31 | redbeard1 | at this hour of the morning, ~gatech is about the most thought i can handle |
| 15:27.43 | calvarez | hmm, 8:27 in Utah |
| 15:27.44 | redbeard1 | and ~whaleslap Keighvin |
| 15:27.45 | calvarez | c'mon |
| 15:27.56 | Keighvin | ~whaleparry redbeard1 |
| 15:27.57 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry redbeard1's attacks. |
| 15:28.08 | calvarez | I'm up every morning at ~6:30 and I'm up every night until midnight or 1AM at least |
| 15:28.42 | redbeard1 | calvarez: i'm a chronic insomniac. i have a hard enough time sleeping as it is, i can't stay up that late |
| 15:28.42 | calvarez | sleeping is for the weak of mind and spirit |
| 15:29.18 | calvarez | hmm, nvm, I think I need a nap |
| 15:29.27 | calvarez | I'm sleepy this morning |
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| 15:42.59 | redbeard1 | quote of the day: "I need to talk typing lessons." |
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| 15:44.44 | graphyx | http://www.break.com/index/perfect_strangers_coffee_shop.html |
| 15:45.22 | graphyx | ~onjoin calvarez gatech is where calvarez is. |
| 15:45.23 | ibot | graphyx: ok |
| 15:46.04 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:49.40 | Keighvin | ~weaselstomp levi |
| 15:49.41 | ibot | ACTION dons a viking helm, spreads some mayonnaise, and gives levi a good hard STOMP. Repeatedly. |
| 15:49.53 | levi | ... |
| 15:52.53 | Keighvin | levi: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-697419850169266116 |
| 15:53.09 | Keighvin | Maybe makes a little more sense after that. |
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| 15:56.19 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:56.24 | levi | That's sick and wrong. :) |
| 15:57.10 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: are you at work yet? |
| 15:57.19 | ^Migs^ | my 3 year-old daughter saw it awhile ago. At first she was smiling when she saw the weasel, but her expression quickly changed when the first weasel got stomped |
| 15:58.22 | ^Migs^ | haha, that Wishes sketch after it is hilarious, too |
| 16:01.33 | Keighvin | ^Migs^: Totally. |
| 16:01.46 | Keighvin | redbeard1: No. You'll sense my presence when I am. |
| 16:02.08 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: what, with my nose? dude, you could at least shower before work. |
| 16:02.18 | Keighvin | Never! |
| 16:03.31 | redbeard1 | ~cluebat Keighvin |
| 16:03.33 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Keighvin. |
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| 16:08.47 | Keighvin | Hah! I'm immune to the effects of your paltry cluebat! |
| 16:08.54 | Keighvin | I'm out, y'all. |
| 16:09.39 | goozbach | Ive got a bigger cluebat |
| 16:09.43 | goozbach | dang, he left |
| 16:16.34 | redbeard1 | ~cluebat goozbach |
| 16:16.35 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps goozbach. |
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| 16:22.01 | ^Migs^ | one of my coworkers tried to pull a scare-prank on the new guy and me. He had a cage in which he said he had a weird animal, then he sprung it so that this sock jumped out at you. I wish people wouldn't waste my time like that. I don't even think I flinched. |
| 16:22.24 | ^Migs^ | of course, new guy has been rambling about it since it happened, laughing with everyone else, and now he's going to want to talk about it with me |
| 16:22.25 | mheath | haha |
| 16:22.34 | ^Migs^ | some of us actually have work to do. |
| 16:22.38 | mheath | have fun and enjoy it, ^Migs^. It's Halloween. |
| 16:22.53 | ^Migs^ | I guess I must be a stick in the mud. |
| 16:23.03 | ^Migs^ | Halloween is a rather dumb holiday, imo |
| 16:23.16 | ^Migs^ | all these dumb kids coming to my door demanding candy |
| 16:23.39 | ^Migs^ | they should EARN their candy |
| 16:24.02 | ^Migs^ | something smells like urine |
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| 16:30.04 | ^Migs^ | it's making me sick |
| 16:30.06 | ^Migs^ | this day sucks |
| 16:30.08 | mheath | I'm happy my MRI didn't take too long |
| 16:30.13 | mheath | I have time to put on my costume for work |
| 16:30.16 | mheath | I was worried I wouldn't have time :) |
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| 16:30.50 | maquis | oh... right... halloween |
| 16:31.07 | mheath | don't give me that |
| 16:31.09 | mheath | I work at a restraunt |
| 16:31.12 | mheath | and make money on tips |
| 16:31.18 | mheath | people will tip better if I have an interesting costume. |
| 16:31.28 | maquis | mheath: i just forgot |
| 16:31.35 | maquis | so, i'm trying to think of something for my irc costume |
| 16:31.54 | jakea | oh ya, IRC costume |
| 16:32.11 | mheath | I've got a sweet costume |
| 16:32.37 | doctorwho | hmmmm |
| 16:33.00 | ^Migs^ | I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm feeling annoyed by everyone today. |
| 16:33.02 | ^Migs^ | moreso than normal |
| 16:33.05 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:33.07 | ^Migs^ | that is a sweet costume |
| 16:33.19 | ^Migs^ | as if there aren't enough devil costumes out there |
| 16:33.33 | ^Migs^ | but at least you're a SPECIFIC devil |
| 16:33.33 | doctorwho | I think I'll go with... |
| 16:34.22 | emperordalek | you're the man now dog |
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| 16:40.08 | capn_picard | note to all who are going ito irc costumes: you'll need to register your nick in order to /msg |
| 16:42.29 | levi | Bah, costumes. |
| 16:42.49 | levi | My 'costume' for work today is a Microsoft Visual C++ .net t-shirt. |
| 16:42.56 | swedishchef1 | ~lart levi for not dressing up in irc |
| 16:43.22 | emperordalek | capn_picard, here is a site all about you: http://picard.ytmnd.com/ |
| 16:46.25 | capn_picard | emperordalek: i'll look at it sometime later :) |
| 16:46.39 | capn_picard | <-- at work, and trying to be somewhat productive :) |
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| 16:46.58 | capn_picard | ~phaser spr_ |
| 16:47.09 | synic | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.14 | synic | crap. |
| 16:47.28 | synic | oh wait, it's maquis |
| 16:47.41 | synic | <-- idiot |
| 16:47.45 | capn_picard | lol |
| 16:48.02 | capn_picard | last year, i was gul_dukat or gul_evek (i don't remember which) |
| 16:48.02 | emperordalek | ~exterminate spr |
| 16:48.14 | capn_picard | so, this year, i decided to go the other way :) |
| 16:48.55 | emperordalek | just as long as you're not Janeway |
| 16:49.35 | levi | Here's a good Halloween scary story: http://home.ccil.org/~cowan/cobol-horrors.html |
| 16:54.07 | capn_picard | ~nickfindlay haydn |
| 16:54.24 | findlay | ~annoy ^Migs^ |
| 16:54.25 | ibot | ACTION dances around ^Migs^, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy ^Migs^ to the maximum amount |
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| 16:56.06 | graphyx | Has anyone else ever played crack the whip? |
| 16:58.12 | graphyx | I was just reading the comments on digg's posted article on banned kid games. |
| 16:58.22 | graphyx | And a lot of games were mentioned, but not crack the whip. |
| 16:58.33 | graphyx | made me wonder if it was really uncommon.. |
| 16:58.55 | eco | Digg comments are like some kind of sponge for idiocy. |
| 16:59.04 | eco | (I just had to interject with that) |
| 16:59.09 | ^Migs^ | new guy just botched a video project. |
| 16:59.10 | ^Migs^ | someone wanted a DVD edited, but he apparently doesn't know about video & audio compression, so he spent the last couple days trying to make a 200 GB video file, then wondering why it was doing that |
| 16:59.16 | mheath | bah, I'm never going to get this makeup off my face |
| 16:59.25 | mheath | I can't even get it off the small bit of my fingers I used to apply it |
| 16:59.42 | graphyx | see, mheath make up isn't for whimps.. |
| 16:59.43 | capn_picard | mheath: try makeup-removing soap (your sister may have some?) |
| 16:59.55 | levi | eco: This is why I no longer look at digg at all. |
| 17:00.04 | mheath | No women live here anymore :P |
| 17:00.08 | capn_picard | oh |
| 17:00.13 | graphyx | I mainly skim it. |
| 17:00.26 | capn_picard | for getting it off your hands, you could try rubbing alcohol |
| 17:00.26 | graphyx | go through the 8 pages in like 2 minutes. |
| 17:00.31 | ^Migs^ | I Don't know why I trust him with anything important |
| 17:00.39 | capn_picard | i don't know how well it'll work, though |
| 17:00.47 | ^Migs^ | Or at any least anything time-sensitive. |
| 17:00.55 | eco | Digg itself is nice, particularly because of the sheer volume you are usually guaranteed to see something atleast somewhat interesting. The comments though... wow--just wow. |
| 17:00.55 | graphyx | ^Migs^: I didn't think you trusted him with anything.. I thought it was management that did.. |
| 17:01.08 | Hellboy | I think this would look pretty awesome, if I could spend the time to do detailed makeup and stuff |
| 17:01.15 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:01.17 | eco | Digg for volume. Boing Boing for editing. Slashdot for discussion. |
| 17:01.23 | ^Migs^ | he volunteered to handle it |
| 17:01.29 | capn_picard | eco: all of them for stupidity? |
| 17:01.32 | ^Migs^ | I was originally charged with doing this, but I gave it to him. Stupid me. |
| 17:01.37 | eco | capn_picard: Most definiately. |
| 17:02.30 | Hellboy | bah, my followup with the ortho isn't for almost 2 weeks |
| 17:02.35 | capn_picard | *engage* |
| 17:02.42 | capn_picard | (i just had to do that) |
| 17:04.15 | capn_picard | ~spell anomaly |
| 17:04.28 | capn_picard | is it just me or does that look wrong? |
| 17:04.35 | Hellboy | Just you. |
| 17:04.39 | capn_picard | ok |
| 17:04.45 | graphyx | does it look anomalous? |
| 17:04.48 | emperordalek | just another spacial anomoly, just another day at the office |
| 17:04.55 | ^Migs^ | and there goes new guy, doing non-work-related projects again |
| 17:05.02 | ^Migs^ | wow, something crawled up my butt today |
| 17:05.49 | Hellboy | I look rather sill |
| 17:05.50 | Hellboy | *silly |
| 17:06.01 | ^Migs^ | take a pic |
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| 17:06.34 | swedishchef1 | ~lart emcnabb |
| 17:07.38 | Hellboy | bah, forgot that I don't have a way to get them on the computer |
| 17:07.50 | Hellboy | I wonder if I can take a picture with my phone and have it e-mailed or something |
| 17:09.53 | findlay | cpan_picard? |
| 17:10.06 | capn_picard | findlay: close |
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| 17:10.46 | findlay | cpan |
| 17:14.47 | Hellboy | A character from Star Trek? |
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| 17:15.05 | capn_picard | ~beat Hellboy |
| 17:15.07 | ibot | ACTION beats Hellboy with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 17:16.48 | Hellboy | How come there are no Admirals in Star Trek? |
| 17:16.53 | capn_picard | Hellboy: there are |
| 17:17.18 | capn_picard | they usually stay at headquarters... |
| 17:17.30 | findlay | unlike cpan picard |
| 17:17.30 | capn_picard | but they show up occasionally |
| 17:17.35 | Hellboy | No fleet admirals? :( |
| 17:17.49 | Hellboy | Whats the name of the main ship? |
| 17:17.54 | swedishchef1 | picard was offered a promotion to admiral in first season |
| 17:17.59 | Hellboy | The Enterprise? |
| 17:18.02 | capn_picard | Hellboy: i believe that there are, occasionally, fleet admirals when multiple ships work together in a fleet |
| 17:18.03 | swedishchef1 | ~lart me for knowing that |
| 17:18.28 | Hellboy | Is that the name of the main ship, the Enterprise? |
| 17:18.40 | capn_picard | Hellboy: the enterprise is one of the lead ships... but since generally they tend to be more individual (rarely travelling together), it's not the leader of the fleet, per se |
| 17:18.47 | Hellboy | Is it the USS Enterprise? |
| 17:19.02 | capn_picard | Hellboy: uss enterprise ncc 1701-d (or a, b, c, or e) |
| 17:19.07 | capn_picard | depending on when you're watching |
| 17:19.16 | Hellboy | What is the designator ncc for? |
| 17:19.24 | capn_picard | dunno |
| 17:19.54 | Hellboy | The N is probably for Nuclear, if it follows current USN class designators |
| 17:20.27 | swedishchef1 | harleypig would know |
| 17:20.27 | Hellboy | 1701 will be the hull designator |
| 17:20.30 | capn_picard | i'd be very surprised, since they don't use anything nuclear on the ship |
| 17:20.42 | Hellboy | capn_picard: The main engine isn't nuclear powered? |
| 17:20.47 | capn_picard | ummm... no |
| 17:20.54 | swedishchef1 | trilithium crystals, isn't it? |
| 17:20.59 | capn_picard | dilithium |
| 17:21.04 | swedishchef1 | my bad |
| 17:21.15 | capn_picard | and a matter/anti-matter reaction |
| 17:21.33 | Hellboy | USS Enterprise....we already HAVE a USS enterprise, though :( |
| 17:21.42 | swedishchef1 | they use a higher frequency on the 1701-D than on the 1701-A, iirc |
| 17:21.59 | Hellboy | wow. You all....wow. |
| 17:22.01 | levi | capn_picard: The original series enterprise didn't have a letter behind the name, IIRC. |
| 17:22.07 | capn_picard | levi: true |
| 17:22.23 | Hellboy | The 1701-A crap is annoying. |
| 17:22.29 | Hellboy | Hull designators shouldn't have letters. |
| 17:22.30 | capn_picard | the first one didn't... then next-gen was D (with references to A, B, C), and then one of the movies had E... |
| 17:22.31 | levi | I think the movie one was A. |
| 17:23.06 | Hellboy | What kind of ship is it described as? |
| 17:23.11 | levi | The movies had a tendency to blow up Enterprises. |
| 17:23.22 | sjansen | the enterprise in TNG is the "Federation's Flagship" |
| 17:23.28 | Hellboy | Do they ever use a term like Cruiser, Destroyer, Carrier, that kind of thing? (Obviously it will be different, but that kind of term) |
| 17:23.31 | levi | Hellboy: There have been several USS Enterprises already. |
| 17:23.37 | capn_picard | levi: then they get to voyager, where they have an unending supply of shuttlecraft |
| 17:23.48 | capn_picard | Hellboy: yeah... i can think of 2 enterprises thus far |
| 17:23.56 | Hellboy | levi: Yes, I know. I've taught classes on Naval history, thanks :) |
| 17:24.00 | capn_picard | one of which was solely for test purposes, granted |
| 17:24.08 | Hellboy | And ship classes. |
| 17:24.23 | levi | Hellboy: Well, you shouldn't make baseless complaints that make you look ignorant, then. |
| 17:24.49 | Hellboy | levi: I was saying they should have chosen something more unique than a currently commissioned ship. |
| 17:25.13 | capn_picard | Hellboy: why? |
| 17:25.22 | ^Migs^ | what's the USS Defiant? |
| 17:25.34 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: it's a small ship that is used on DS9 |
| 17:25.42 | Hellboy | capn_picard: It's just bad taste. |
| 17:25.43 | ^Migs^ | yes, but what class of ship is it? |
| 17:25.57 | capn_picard | iirc, it had a short stint as a maquis ship |
| 17:26.01 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 17:26.17 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: i don't remember... ti's pretty small, though... |
| 17:26.26 | Hellboy | ^Migs^: heh, I thought you were asking about USN ships |
| 17:26.30 | ^Migs^ | where do the maquis get their ships anyway? They don't actually have the resources to manufacture them, do they? |
| 17:26.35 | Hellboy | I was going to say "I've never heard of the USS Defiant" |
| 17:26.42 | ^Migs^ | yeah, well you're not cool then |
| 17:26.49 | ^Migs^ | small but it packs a wallop |
| 17:26.58 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: they're generally old enough that they've been decommissioned, or they're stolen |
| 17:27.10 | ^Migs^ | that makes sense |
| 17:27.18 | swedishchef1 | i could be wrong, but it looks like the navy's USS Enterprise didn't come about until after the first star trek series |
| 17:27.30 | sjansen | http://starchive.cs.umanitoba.ca/?SNE/ |
| 17:27.33 | Hellboy | What tentative time period is the first enterprise existant in? |
| 17:27.37 | levi | Apparently the Defiant was a Defiant-class ship. |
| 17:27.39 | Hellboy | What year (in normal, earth years)? |
| 17:27.40 | capn_picard | swedishchef1: i believe you're right |
| 17:27.45 | ^Migs^ | I used to know ALL about this stuff, but I haven't watched Star Trek religiously in years |
| 17:27.50 | ^Migs^ | and DS9 was my favorite |
| 17:27.52 | capn_picard | actually, i don't think that NASA used the enterprise until after that point |
| 17:27.55 | capn_picard | Hellboy: 1977 |
| 17:27.58 | swedishchef1 | (1775-05-18 – 1777-07-07) |
| 17:28.03 | levi | It was an Escort type ship. |
| 17:28.08 | Hellboy | capn_picard: no, I mean, what time is it supposed to be in. |
| 17:28.11 | Hellboy | What year in the futre |
| 17:28.22 | capn_picard | Hellboy: depends on the series |
| 17:28.32 | Hellboy | Whichever one is the earliest |
| 17:28.34 | levi | There was also an Original Series defiant, which was a Constitution Class heavy cruiser. |
| 17:28.35 | capn_picard | usually 2300s/2400s, i believe (but i could be wrong on that) |
| 17:28.37 | Hellboy | when did the FIRST Enterprise exist. |
| 17:28.39 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.17 | ^Migs^ | this is making me want to watch DS9 from beginning to end |
| 17:29.18 | capn_picard | i really don't know original series much at all |
| 17:29.28 | Hellboy | USS Enterprise CVN-65 |
| 17:29.35 | Hellboy | Comissioned 1961 |
| 17:29.36 | ^Migs^ | the original series isn't always consistent with the later series |
| 17:29.37 | levi | The Original Series defiant showed up again on screen in the Mirror Universe episodes of Enterprise. |
| 17:29.42 | ^Migs^ | or vice versa, rather |
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| 17:29.46 | Hellboy | Planned Decomissioning, 2014. |
| 17:30.00 | ^Migs^ | I think the novels attempt to be more faithful |
| 17:30.31 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: yeah... and now star trek enterprise (which is set before TOS) is more technically advanced than TOS |
| 17:30.37 | levi | ^Migs^: The salt lake county library has all the Star Trek series DVDs. |
| 17:30.49 | ^Migs^ | I'm not in Salt Lake |
| 17:30.55 | swedishchef1 | http://www.foodsafetyinfo.org/newsletter232.html |
| 17:31.02 | levi | You might check your local library, though. |
| 17:31.12 | ^Migs^ | meh, I'll just get them through Netflix |
| 17:31.14 | Hellboy | Theres already a new USS Enterprise planned |
| 17:31.30 | Hellboy | 201* |
| 17:31.30 | ^Migs^ | are Star Trek shows pretty much officially discontinued now? |
| 17:31.38 | levi | capn_picard: Except the Defiant in the Enterprise mirror universe episode whoops butt over all the contemporary ships. |
| 17:31.39 | ^Migs^ | was Star Trek Enterprise any good anyway? |
| 17:31.41 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: they're still doing enterprise, i believe |
| 17:31.45 | ^Migs^ | what was the basic premise to that show? |
| 17:31.50 | ^Migs^ | or is |
| 17:32.01 | capn_picard | i've never watched enterprise |
| 17:32.02 | levi | capn_picard: The Enterprise-era stuff just /looks/ better. |
| 17:32.34 | capn_picard | i've seen bits and pieces, and it doesn't interest me as much |
| 17:32.38 | ^Migs^ | I don't have a problem with Enterprise-era stuff looking better. They've updated the original stuff to look better now |
| 17:32.43 | ^Migs^ | in the DVD release |
| 17:32.44 | Hellboy | Got me some demons to kill. |
| 17:33.03 | levi | ^Migs^: The humans are making their first warp-drive forays into deep space. Enterprise is the first Warp-5 capable ship. |
| 17:33.20 | emperordalek | The problem was Rick Berman. |
| 17:33.26 | ^Migs^ | as long as there isn't any anachronistic technology |
| 17:33.36 | sjansen | wildpig: do you have a link that doesn't cover up half of the column of text with a green sidebar? |
| 17:33.36 | ^Migs^ | except, of course, *snort* in time-travel episodes |
| 17:33.44 | ^Migs^ | how was Rick Berman a problem? |
| 17:33.49 | swedishchef1 | sjansen: nope. sorry man. |
| 17:33.53 | ^Migs^ | oh that's a cool premise, levi |
| 17:34.04 | ^Migs^ | crap, that's like, way before the original series |
| 17:34.11 | capn_picard | levi: there isn't a holodeck in enterprise, right? |
| 17:34.14 | ^Migs^ | what year is it supposed to be in? |
| 17:34.23 | levi | ^Migs^: It's before the United Federation of Planets is formed. |
| 17:34.31 | levi | capn_picard: Nope, no holodeck. |
| 17:34.35 | ^Migs^ | that's cool stuff |
| 17:34.37 | ^Migs^ | now I want to watch it |
| 17:34.48 | levi | I didn't think it was all that bad. |
| 17:34.48 | capn_picard | levi: good... they can't use the "stuck in the holodeck with safety off" plot anymore |
| 17:35.07 | capn_picard | that plot might've been good the first time i saw it |
| 17:35.16 | capn_picard | the 7th or 8th time, it was kind-of old |
| 17:35.21 | levi | ^Migs^: And there's a sexy vulcan chick. |
| 17:35.38 | swedishchef1 | capn_picard: how about the time travel plot? |
| 17:35.41 | sjansen | who doesn't act very vulcan |
| 17:35.43 | capn_picard | levi: yeah... but paris isn't there :) |
| 17:35.47 | ^Migs^ | so they discover the vulcans relatively early on in the history of the space travel then? |
| 17:36.04 | ^Migs^ | I think the vulcans' control over their mind is a relatively recent phenomenon come Star Trek: TOS |
| 17:36.05 | capn_picard | sjansen: the time travel plot was *really* good in star trek IV |
| 17:36.07 | levi | ^Migs^: The vulcans are the first visitors to Earth after they develop warp technology. |
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| 17:36.11 | ^Migs^ | or control over their mind + emotions |
| 17:36.15 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 17:36.19 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah, I knew that |
| 17:37.28 | levi | The humans on Enterprise are the next generation of humans after that first visit, IIRC. Maybe 2 generations at most. |
| 17:37.46 | ^Migs^ | I never knew. How did the people on Voyager get back home so quickly? |
| 17:38.09 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: they piggybacked on the borg travel system (while blowing it up) |
| 17:38.18 | sjansen | easy. the series couldn't run for 80 years |
| 17:38.28 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 17:38.31 | capn_picard | they were running out of ideas |
| 17:38.35 | levi | ^Migs^: Janeway goes back in time to help them, and gives them advanced technology that allow them to kick borg butt. |
| 17:38.45 | capn_picard | yeah |
| 17:38.47 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 17:38.49 | ^Migs^ | that's kind of a copout |
| 17:38.56 | capn_picard | :) |
| 17:38.59 | ^Migs^ | "just have some time traveler deliver advanced technology" |
| 17:39.11 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: i think they pulled it off pretty well, though |
| 17:39.13 | levi | ^Migs^: It was, kind of, but it was handled fairly well considering what it was. |
| 17:39.16 | capn_picard | but yes, it's a bit of a cop-out |
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| 17:39.37 | ^Migs^ | oh, I'm sure it was pulled off well |
| 17:39.41 | levi | Getting them home in their lifetimes pretty much required a cop-out of some sort. |
| 17:39.47 | ^Migs^ | but simply from hearing a synopsis of it, you can't help but think "man, wtf?" |
| 17:39.58 | capn_picard | yeah |
| 17:40.13 | capn_picard | sometimes it's obvious when the writers get themselves into a corner, though |
| 17:40.29 | capn_picard | i thought that the best-handled/planned thing they did was dealing with seska |
| 17:40.30 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 17:40.46 | levi | The interesting thing was that in the timeline that Janeway came back from, they'd made it home, but it took a really long time and they lost some key people. |
| 17:40.46 | swedishchef1 | was it strictly necessary to get them home in their lifetime? |
| 17:40.56 | ^Migs^ | okay, now that's cool |
| 17:41.18 | capn_picard | swedishchef1: the writers weren't going to be able to come up with another 68 years worth of episode material |
| 17:41.23 | ^Migs^ | was it, like, a multi-part episode? |
| 17:41.31 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: it was a 2-hour episode |
| 17:41.42 | ^Migs^ | that's sweet |
| 17:41.49 | swedishchef1 | capn_picard: feh. happy endings are such cop-outs. not everything in life is happy, you know. |
| 17:41.50 | levi | So the episode starts off with an anniversary of their return home, and there's lots of bittersweetness, and a really old Janeway is seen plotting something secret behind people's backs. |
| 17:42.04 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 17:42.06 | ^Migs^ | that's pulled off well |
| 17:42.17 | ^Migs^ | Voyager had some really cool episodes |
| 17:42.20 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: like i said, they pulled it off well... |
| 17:42.22 | ^Migs^ | I feel like I missed most of it |
| 17:42.38 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: i liked a ot of the early ones a lot... they dealt with some interesting issues between the 2 crews |
| 17:42.51 | ^Migs^ | 2 crews? |
| 17:42.59 | capn_picard | the maquis and starfleet |
| 17:43.05 | sjansen | if I ever watch another maquis or kazon episode of voyager I think I'll die |
| 17:43.14 | ^Migs^ | I don't think I know much about that |
| 17:43.24 | capn_picard | sjansen: i like the maquis... :) |
| 17:43.25 | ^Migs^ | I was more of a TNG and DS9 buff |
| 17:43.33 | ^Migs^ | what's the kazon? |
| 17:43.37 | sjansen | the maquis are fine in ds9 |
| 17:43.45 | capn_picard | TNG had an interesting maquis episode with Ensign Ro |
| 17:43.55 | levi | ^Migs^: The kazon were the first bad guys encountered in Voyager. |
| 17:44.02 | capn_picard | sjansen: yeah... they get some good hits in DS9 |
| 17:44.05 | sjansen | the not-really-klingon dredlock bullies |
| 17:44.43 | sjansen | capn_picard: yeah, but they don't really fit the DS9/Voyager maquis very well |
| 17:45.07 | sjansen | in retrospect. except for the one(s) concurrent which were primarily setup for ds9/voyager |
| 17:45.14 | ^Migs^ | why can't there be different types of maquis? |
| 17:45.31 | sjansen | there can. there can't be a different "the maquis" though |
| 17:45.43 | levi | They weren't a terribly huge group. |
| 17:45.55 | capn_picard | sjansen: the problem is that the series are looking at the maquis from completely different perspectives |
| 17:46.28 | capn_picard | in voyager, they're trying to get the maquis to work well with starfleet rules... in ds9/tng, they're trying to capture them, and there's more of a focus on why the maquis are fighting |
| 17:46.30 | levi | Were they terrorists? Were they freedom fighters? I must have a definitive answer!! |
| 17:46.56 | capn_picard | levi: a little of each |
| 17:47.21 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand. Why are there Maquis in Voyager? |
| 17:47.32 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: go watch caretaker |
| 17:47.33 | capn_picard | :) |
| 17:47.44 | capn_picard | without caretaker, nothing else will make sense anyway |
| 17:47.47 | ^Migs^ | Caretaker? |
| 17:47.48 | ^Migs^ | what's that? |
| 17:47.48 | levi | capn_picard: Sure, I was just making a parallel to a contemporary situation that people seem to be unwilling to paint in those colors. |
| 17:47.51 | sjansen | the first ep |
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| 17:47.54 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: the first episode |
| 17:47.58 | ^Migs^ | I don't have time to watch it |
| 17:48.29 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: do you know how voyager ended up i nthe delta quadrant? |
| 17:48.30 | sjansen | voyager premise: voyager ship chasing maquis ship, both yanked across the galaxy by a banjo player |
| 17:48.39 | capn_picard | lol |
| 17:48.42 | sjansen | maquis ship destroyed. live together. get home |
| 17:48.47 | ^Migs^ | not really, no |
| 17:48.59 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 17:49.07 | capn_picard | banjo player dies, telling voyager to blow up his equipment that could get them home |
| 17:49.13 | ^Migs^ | which crew members were the maquis? |
| 17:49.18 | capn_picard | janeway compiles with the request |
| 17:49.31 | levi | ^Migs^: The ill-tempered ones, mostly. |
| 17:49.36 | capn_picard | ^Migs^: chakotay and b'ellana are the main ones... tuvok, but he was a starfleet spy |
| 17:49.54 | capn_picard | paris was helping voyager track down the maquis ship, since he'd been captured |
| 17:50.03 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 17:50.05 | ^Migs^ | now see, I didn't know that |
| 17:50.24 | levi | The merging of the crews gets accomplished surprisingly quickly. |
| 17:50.31 | capn_picard | levi: i thought so too... |
| 17:50.32 | ^Migs^ | Yes. Yes it did. |
| 17:50.39 | ^Migs^ | especially since I had no clue about it |
| 17:50.47 | capn_picard | particularly with things like convincing people not to hate tuvok and such |
| 17:50.52 | sjansen | it could have been done better, but the way they were doing it they couldn't have got it over with quick enough |
| 17:51.03 | levi | I guess they're all smart enough to figure out there's no point to their differences when they're stranded on the other side of the galaxy. |
| 17:51.04 | capn_picard | they could've done it a ton better |
| 17:54.23 | levi | Anyway, I think Enterprise is worth watching on DVD. It's initially a little hard to deal with Captain Archer being the Quantum Leap dude, but that fades with time. |
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| 17:57.02 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's pretty lame |
| 17:57.07 | ^Migs^ | he shouldn't get any more acting gigs |
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| 18:05.03 | goozbach | sjansen: how's ireland? |
| 18:05.21 | goozbach | dammit, costumes |
| 18:05.38 | sjansen | irish |
| 18:05.54 | sjansen | green |
| 18:06.31 | findlay | how's you music video going? |
| 18:06.42 | findlay | s/you/your/ |
| 18:07.12 | sjansen | bono keeps throwing fits |
| 18:09.04 | findlay | man, that's got to be hard |
| 18:13.54 | findlay | can you buy Intellectual Property(R) in the grocery store? |
| 18:15.02 | goozbach | findlay: only if you pay SCO the $699 --------ing fee |
| 18:23.32 | ^Migs^ | we were supposed to have a meeting today, so I didn't bring lunch because meeting == free lunch, but the meeting got postpone til tomorrow |
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| 18:24.53 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: then eat tomorrow's lunch today |
| 18:25.07 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 18:27.23 | ^Migs^ | yes, but tomorrow's lunch hasn't even been made yet. We order in. |
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| 18:29.55 | ^Migs^ | http://news.com.com/China+We+dont+censor+the+Internet.+Really/2100-1028_3-6130970.html?tag=nefd.top |
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| 18:36.00 | swedishchef1 | oh man. got shaun of the dead at work. |
| 18:36.04 | swedishchef1 | such a great show |
| 18:37.17 | ^Migs^ | haha, yeah it is |
| 18:37.22 | ^Migs^ | it's been playing on Comedy Central the past few days |
| 18:38.17 | ^Migs^ | so many choice moments. |
| 18:40.02 | swedishchef1 | it's on again today at 5 eastern |
| 18:43.16 | goozbach | "get an ipod" he says |
| 18:43.27 | goozbach | "it'll run rockbox" he says |
| 18:43.47 | goozbach | bah, the nano 2G has an encrypted image. |
| 18:43.49 | goozbach | :( |
| 18:44.38 | findlay | why do html comments have to be so stupid? |
| 18:44.58 | sjansen | ~mock goozbach |
| 18:44.59 | ibot | ACTION pulls goozbach's pants down and shows the world goozbach's pink spotted underwear |
| 18:44.59 | goozbach | <!-- because -- |
| 18:45.36 | goozbach | <img src="findlay_as_a_nurse.jpg" ?> |
| 18:45.46 | goozbach | doh |
| 18:45.51 | goozbach | compile error |
| 18:48.22 | jsmith | goozbach: Why Texas de Brasil? |
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| 18:53.24 | findlay | and here I always thought Texas was in South America |
| 18:53.31 | ^Migs^ | my best friend got a new job as an archaeologist. I think that's pretty sweet. |
| 18:53.54 | findlay | does that mean he is archaic now? |
| 18:54.28 | ^Migs^ | that's not even punny |
| 18:54.39 | findlay | s/p/f/ |
| 19:00.30 | ^Migs^ | yes, that was the joke. you were making a pun, and I said that wasn't even punny |
| 19:05.44 | goozbach | jsmith: cause it was tasty |
| 19:06.12 | goozbach | and the canadians we were hanging out with hadn't ever done cuhrrasco |
| 19:07.28 | jsmith | goozbach: Fogo de Chao is better ;-) |
| 19:10.30 | goozbach | jsmith: I know, I didn't know there was one there in Dallas |
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| 19:31.52 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
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| 19:35.49 | ^Migs^ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061031/ap_on_re_us/hopkins_halloween_party |
| 19:36.45 | swedishchef1 | ~lart rsimpkins |
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| 19:38.08 | swedishchef1 | ~lart Keighvin |
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| 19:39.01 | Keighvin | ~whaleambush swedishchef1 |
| 19:39.12 | ibot | ACTION ambushes swedishchef1 with Giovanni, a whale that's a bit too big to be a dagger |
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| 19:39.24 | goozbach | wget -r |
| 19:39.31 | goozbach | cool freaking command |
| 19:39.55 | Keighvin | Si. |
| 19:40.04 | Tene | -k! |
| 19:46.42 | findlay | wget has some useful spider features |
| 19:46.59 | findlay | I like the fileglob for ftp |
| 19:49.28 | goozbach | coolest switches of the day for wget: -nH --cutdirs=<some number> |
| 19:49.42 | goozbach | combined with -r of course |
| 19:49.54 | goozbach | good way of initilzing an rsync mirror |
| 19:51.14 | sjansen | what's wrong with rsync? |
| 19:51.32 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to get a Halloween candy bowl that administers electric shocks when kids reach in |
| 19:53.05 | swedishchef1 | heh. esophogal podectomy. |
| 19:53.10 | swedishchef1 | that was awesome. |
| 19:53.59 | sjansen | ~podectomy |
| 19:54.11 | goozbach | sjansen: to initilize rsync seems to take longer than a wget -r |
| 19:54.41 | goozbach | esp with gobs of data |
| 19:55.00 | goozbach | you don't need to decide what's new, what's not, get the file list. |
| 19:55.04 | Jayce^ | goozbach, is that a metric or imperial gob? |
| 19:55.09 | goozbach | just slag over the entire tree |
| 19:55.16 | goozbach | Jayce^: cubic |
| 19:55.19 | goozbach | cubig gob |
| 19:55.28 | goozbach | bah |
| 19:55.34 | goozbach | me no typey good |
| 19:55.34 | Jayce^ | ~paint goozbach |
| 19:55.35 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on goozbach |
| 19:56.35 | sjansen | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:56.40 | sjansen | er, wait |
| 19:56.43 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 19:57.04 | findlay | ~imposter sjansen |
| 19:57.11 | Jayce^ | Fish heads.... |
| 19:57.29 | swedishchef1 | Fish heads... |
| 19:57.39 | Jayce^ | rolly polly .. |
| 19:57.45 | swedishchef1 | fish heads... |
| 19:57.47 | findlay | cylinder heads |
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| 19:59.15 | emperordalek | ~exterminate elg |
| 19:59.17 | emcnabb | nice... just got my first 10GigE card |
| 19:59.26 | findlay | ~steal it |
| 19:59.28 | ibot | ACTION grabs it and gives it to findlay |
| 19:59.28 | capn_picard | kinda similar to milk candy, actually... except chewy instead of hard |
| 19:59.42 | capn_picard | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:00.16 | elg | headline on the school newspaper yesterday: "Sorority kitchen broken into; hotpockets stolen" |
| 20:00.35 | mrpull | emcnabb: now only if you can get that 10GigE switch and another card |
| 20:01.05 | elg | mrpull: he can get some insane loopback performance |
| 20:02.03 | goozbach | ohh loopback performance |
| 20:02.08 | mrpull | elg: that makes about as much sense as those jokers in this room using loopback filesystems to benchmark SAN technologies |
| 20:02.14 | mrpull | :) |
| 20:02.14 | emcnabb | mrpull: it's in the mail I hear |
| 20:03.06 | mrpull | emcnabb: that sounds like fun. do you really need > gigabit speeds? |
| 20:03.19 | emcnabb | I don't personally |
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| 20:03.34 | emcnabb | but some customers do |
| 20:05.09 | goozbach | I do |
| 20:05.14 | mrpull | oh yeah... now I remember you might have customers that might |
| 20:05.17 | goozbach | soon I'll have them buhahah |
| 20:05.24 | goozbach | well Gig-E state wide |
| 20:05.44 | goozbach | with total QoS routing |
| 20:05.50 | emcnabb | ~lart goozbach |
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| 20:06.01 | goozbach | all the VOIP traffic that we can push |
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| 20:07.23 | findlay | django's crud generic views are pretty cool |
| 20:07.30 | mrpull | emcnabb: I'll be in Cary next week |
| 20:07.32 | mrpull | but only for a day |
| 20:10.22 | maquis | how do i set it so that i can get messages from non-registered nicks? (since it's halloween and some people are in costume)? |
| 20:10.59 | mrpull | maquis: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg |
| 20:11.47 | maquis | mrpull: thanks |
| 20:18.56 | mheath | Hmm, where should I go to grab some lunch? |
| 20:19.03 | goozbach | punkbox |
| 20:19.06 | goozbach | yuy |
| 20:19.08 | goozbach | opps |
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| 20:23.17 | blargfooblarg | costume party? |
| 20:26.34 | spig | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:31.15 | Jayce^ | ~lart spig |
| 20:31.41 | spig | how's it going Jayce^? |
| 20:31.48 | Jayce^ | pretty darn good.. |
| 20:31.51 | Jayce^ | how's sento? |
| 20:31.56 | spig | pretty good |
| 20:31.59 | spig | love it right now |
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| 20:36.13 | findlay | why is it when something goes wrong in python, it gives me a meaningless error C++ style? |
| 20:36.16 | goozbach | ok so a co-worker just found a can of "pepsi holiday spice" from christmas '04 |
| 20:36.22 | goozbach | should I drink it? |
| 20:36.31 | goozbach | it expired on apr of '05 |
| 20:37.17 | Jayce^ | dude, pepsi is like twinkies.. |
| 20:37.34 | findlay | whereas when I do something wrong in perl it always tells me the file and line of the error, not the file and line of the library that threw the exception |
| 20:38.16 | findlay | ~lart python |
| 20:39.16 | elg | goozbach: duh |
| 20:39.29 | elg | cherish it |
| 20:39.49 | spig | totally drink it |
| 20:39.58 | findlay | if you drink it you might provide some first class bash material |
| 20:40.09 | levi | That's just a 'freshness' date anyway. :) |
| 20:42.52 | spig | set up a blog about eating expired foods.. |
| 20:45.36 | emcnabb | mrpull: what are you coming out for? |
| 20:47.25 | mrpull | emcnabb: business... cant be more specific right now :) |
| 20:47.37 | mrpull | does RH do tours? |
| 20:47.47 | emcnabb | haha |
| 20:47.55 | emcnabb | no, but you can stop by if you'd like |
| 20:48.06 | emcnabb | it's not too exciting, just cubes :-) |
| 20:48.18 | mrpull | no big data rooms with super computers? |
| 20:48.20 | mrpull | bummer |
| 20:48.45 | emcnabb | well, we have quite a few server rooms, but nothing out of the ordinary |
| 20:48.58 | emcnabb | we have even more up in Westford |
| 20:49.30 | mrpull | i've had opportunities to tour some extraordinary datacenters so now i'm always curious what people have |
| 20:50.01 | emcnabb | yeah, most of our stuff is just what we need for development and support, so nothing exciting |
| 20:50.11 | emcnabb | I've seen some cool datacenters myself |
| 20:50.24 | emcnabb | the most impressive was Bank of America's in Richmond VA |
| 20:50.36 | emcnabb | it took over an hour of almost non-stop walking |
| 20:51.00 | emcnabb | mrpull: who do you work for? |
| 20:52.20 | emcnabb | Raleigh, NC |
| 20:52.21 | swedishchef1 | redhat is in north carolina |
| 20:52.44 | mheath | Ah. I would have guessed Caliornia |
| 20:52.52 | emcnabb | with engineering primarily in Westford MA, Mountain View CA, and Minnesota |
| 20:52.59 | swedishchef1 | raleigh is a big tech hub |
| 20:53.11 | emcnabb | swedishchef1: yeah, it's huge |
| 20:53.23 | mrpull | it is a neat area |
| 20:53.24 | mheath | I may want a tech job eventually. |
| 20:53.29 | swedishchef1 | ^Migs^: you've got a bit of red on you |
| 20:53.32 | mheath | Bah, I'm reluctant to go for a tech job in the Navy |
| 20:53.43 | mheath | I want my time in the Navy to be, you know, in the Navy |
| 20:53.46 | emcnabb | we have offices worldwide though |
| 20:53.48 | mheath | Not stuck away in some datacenter on land |
| 20:53.49 | mrpull | mheath: one of my childhood neighbors is a nuke engineer on subs |
| 20:53.59 | mheath | mrpull: a good friend of mine is too |
| 20:54.01 | swedishchef1 | mheath: in the navy? like in the song? |
| 20:54.28 | mheath | swedishchef1: Not quite. |
| 20:54.41 | swedishchef1 | well, that's a relief |
| 20:54.57 | mheath | mrpull: but, like I said....Lots of people spend time on an Aircraft Carrier and literally NEVER see the light of day |
| 20:55.04 | mheath | Thats even more true for Submarines |
| 20:55.18 | mheath | They'll just be down in dark cooridors and rooms all day |
| 20:55.23 | emcnabb | my cubemate is ex-Navy |
| 20:55.46 | findlay | or the dark of night for that matter |
| 20:55.49 | mheath | I'm really leaning towards something more nautical |
| 20:56.01 | Jayce^ | my dad was SS.. Diver.. |
| 20:56.01 | mheath | Boatswains Mate, Quatermaster, that kind of thing |
| 20:56.04 | Jayce^ | UDT |
| 20:56.25 | mheath | Then again, that kind of experience is completely worthless in the civilian world unless I worked for a shipping company or something |
| 20:56.32 | emcnabb | he worked on a submarine |
| 20:56.54 | mheath | emcnabb: ask him what kind. What class. |
| 20:56.58 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, just call him a squid :) |
| 20:58.41 | mheath | I'd start off at a higher rank in the navy than I started off as in the Marine Corps |
| 20:58.43 | mheath | E-3 vs E-2 |
| 20:59.29 | emcnabb | mheath: 637 (Sturgen) and 638 (Los Angeles) |
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| 21:00.26 | mheath | *Sturgeon |
| 21:00.38 | emcnabb | sorry |
| 21:00.49 | emcnabb | I ask your forgiveness |
| 21:01.00 | levi | Sturgeon are cool fish. |
| 21:01.29 | emcnabb | mheath: cww is the one I was telling you about |
| 21:02.08 | mheath | emcnabb: cww? |
| 21:02.29 | emcnabb | 15:59 -!- cww [i=cww@nat/redhat/x-85ff2dda170ae47d] has joined #utah |
| 21:03.03 | mheath | oh, duh. OK. |
| 21:03.39 | mheath | Nah, I'd never want to be on a sub. Way too cramped, even the newer ones |
| 21:03.47 | mheath | Stuff like the Sturgeon and Los Angeles must have been horrible |
| 21:04.02 | mheath | I've been on a newer Tritan class several times, and even that was horrible. |
| 21:04.03 | Jayce^ | mheath, the LA class are mansions compared to the older ones.. |
| 21:04.20 | goozbach | cww: I assume you're within arm's reach of emcnabb... |
| 21:04.20 | Jayce^ | my dad actually preffered the old D/E's a lot more than the nukes |
| 21:04.32 | goozbach | if so could you give him a big smack to the back of the head? |
| 21:04.36 | goozbach | thanks |
| 21:04.47 | mheath | Jayce^: I'm talking about berthing and stuff. |
| 21:04.52 | Jayce^ | cww, I think most of us agree with goozbach's request |
| 21:04.54 | mheath | Hotbedding, that kind of crap. Ugh. |
| 21:05.06 | Jayce^ | mheath, yeah, la's are much bigger in that respect |
| 21:05.10 | Jayce^ | much better off |
| 21:05.22 | Jayce^ | I've been on both |
| 21:06.32 | cww | hotbunking, and it isn't that bad, you just have to have clean shipmates |
| 21:07.05 | Jayce^ | and on a nuke you have more water for the showers |
| 21:07.19 | mheath | cww: I still don't like it :P Normal berthing on surface vessels is cramped enough for my tastes |
| 21:08.58 | cww | mheath, spent some time on the pond have you? Are you a salty dog? |
| 21:09.38 | levi | mheath is a kid that's been in a Navy youth group. |
| 21:09.50 | emcnabb | he's a Sea Cadet! |
| 21:10.00 | mheath | cww: Not quite. Had a very brief Marine Corps service (got kicked out because of medically), but I spent some time as a youth in the Sea Cadets (don't know if you've heard of that) |
| 21:10.01 | levi | And has had a rather brief stint with the Marines. |
| 21:10.25 | mheath | cww: Spent a few months on the USS Reagan with that program, as basically an unrated crew member |
| 21:10.52 | mheath | Looking at a possible Navy career now, though. |
| 21:11.29 | cww | mheath: you volunteered to go to sea while not in the Navy? Surely there were more rewarding activities on the beach? |
| 21:11.46 | mheath | haha |
| 21:11.54 | mheath | True :P |
| 21:12.32 | Jayce^ | cww, he saw the village people video, wanted some of that... |
| 21:12.42 | emcnabb | he wants to be the Indian |
| 21:12.51 | ^Migs^ | What's Sea Cadets? |
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| 21:13.02 | ^Migs^ | is that to the Marines like what Boy Scouts are to National Park Rangers? |
| 21:13.06 | mheath | ^Migs^: Youth organization. Comparable to boy scouts, but tied to the Navy. |
| 21:13.11 | mheath | hahah |
| 21:13.13 | cww | mheath: so you're considering a Navy career? Wouldn't your medical condition from the USMC disqualify you for future military service? |
| 21:13.27 | mheath | cww: I'm getting that condition cleared, hopefully |
| 21:13.35 | cww | sweet |
| 21:13.37 | ^Migs^ | that was funny |
| 21:13.44 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 21:13.47 | ^Migs^ | s/Marines/Navy/ |
| 21:13.58 | maquis | mheath: given that, why aren't you going into the marines again? |
| 21:13.59 | cww | mheath: have you picked out a rate yet? |
| 21:14.09 | ^Migs^ | meh, marines, navy, it's all good |
| 21:14.26 | ^Migs^ | coast guard would be awesome |
| 21:14.37 | mheath | maquis: I have some minor conditions that I didn't know about when I enlisted in the Marines but might disqualify me now that I know about them |
| 21:14.43 | cww | Marines are actually part of the Navy, "The best part" is what a Marine will tell you. |
| 21:14.44 | mheath | Like I apparently have rather flat feet. Didn't know I did. |
| 21:14.45 | levi | Apparently my grandma was in the Coast Guard. |
| 21:15.00 | mheath | cww: No, they are part of the DEPARTMENT of the Navy. Not "The Navy". |
| 21:15.19 | levi | cww: Just so you know, mheath is always right. |
| 21:15.20 | mheath | SECNAV is the first common thing in the COC |
| 21:15.25 | Keighvin | ~demote mheath |
| 21:15.32 | ibot | ACTION removes Marine from mheath's vocabulary. |
| 21:15.55 | mheath | mheath: The CNO doesn't have a thing on them :) |
| 21:16.02 | ^Migs^ | Marines == The Navy |
| 21:16.02 | cww | mheath: don't split hairs |
| 21:16.03 | mheath | bah, talking to myself. |
| 21:17.02 | goozbach | cww: you must be new here :P |
| 21:17.09 | mheath | cww: actually leaning towards QM |
| 21:17.15 | mheath | though people keep telling me different |
| 21:17.30 | mheath | I have a nuke ET friend. Out on a sub. Keeps trying to talk me into that. |
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| 21:18.25 | mheath | cww: like I was saying before you /join'd, I REALLY don't want a job thats going to have me down in a sub or in the dark belly of an Aircraft Carrier, never to see the light of day. |
| 21:18.40 | maquis | cww: don't bother disagreeing with mheath. he's always right, even when he's wrong, simply because he's mheath |
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| 21:19.45 | mheath | ~lart maquis |
| 21:19.50 | mheath | maquis: your wrong. ;-) |
| 21:20.04 | levi | mheath: What about her wrong? |
| 21:20.11 | mheath | levi: I was joking. |
| 21:20.19 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce mheath |
| 21:20.22 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs mheath in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 21:20.22 | emcnabb | well, if you want to know the truth, mheath lied about his condition to the Marines. Now he thinks he can say "I'm sorry" and everything is going to be ok |
| 21:20.46 | levi | mheath: You were joking with improper word usage! |
| 21:20.48 | cww | mheath: your first year you'll be cleaning bilges and crappers, so you'll be in the dark belly of something no matter what |
| 21:21.12 | ^Migs^ | that ~pwndsauce command made me snort loudly |
| 21:21.16 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:21.20 | graphyx | in fact in that case he will be in the dark belly of something that used to be in the dark belly of a bunch of people... |
| 21:21.22 | mheath | emcnabb: No, I didn't lie about my condition. I'm actually going to be stretching the truth a bit about me being health to get back in. |
| 21:21.22 | levi | See cww's latest message for proper usage of you're vs. your. |
| 21:21.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Stretching the truth is the same thing as lying. |
| 21:21.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Join the Army, they might go for that. The Marines won't. |
| 21:21.48 | emcnabb | so now you're going to lie to them? |
| 21:21.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Have some respect for the Corp. |
| 21:21.53 | graphyx | ^Migs^: That one is one I came up with. |
| 21:22.01 | emcnabb | that's probably not a good idea |
| 21:22.05 | mheath | cww: I'm going in as E-3. I'll be PO3 in 6 months. |
| 21:22.15 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 21:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | According to your recruiter? |
| 21:22.58 | emcnabb | and the best part is you've spilled your guts on IRC... smart! |
| 21:23.08 | emcnabb | ~ibot logs |
| 21:23.10 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 21:23.14 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: According to OPNAVINST 5760.5C |
| 21:23.27 | Lone_Wanderer | You in the ROTC or going to OCS or something? |
| 21:23.31 | cww | mheath: so they're going to give you a crow when you get out of C school? I didn't know QM's had C school. And most C schools are 2 years, so 6 months sounds very "accelerated", unless things have changed since I left |
| 21:24.05 | mheath | cww: erm, your right, one year. TIR for E-3 to E-4 is 1 year. Your right. |
| 21:24.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know what all your fancy numbers and letters mean, I just know that 6 months is quick to become anything with an O in it and that recruiters will say anything to you to get you to sign up. |
| 21:24.30 | emcnabb | it's nice to have someone like cww around to call mheath's crap :-) |
| 21:24.49 | Lone_Wanderer | So I guessed that the O-thing was related to Officer. |
| 21:25.14 | mheath | cww: Actually, 10 months given my prior time. |
| 21:25.30 | cww | Petty Officer E4 - E6, then it is Cheif PO, Senior Cheif PO, then Master Cheif PO, E7, E8 , e9 respectively |
| 21:25.53 | cww | E4 is 3rd class, E5 is 2nd class, E6 is 1st class PO |
| 21:26.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I know that E3 is PFC, or whatever you call it in the Marines. |
| 21:26.13 | emcnabb | mheath: didn't you say you weren't going to talk about this any more: |
| 21:26.15 | mheath | No, E-2 is PFC in the Marine Corps |
| 21:26.18 | cww | mheath, you were in the USMC for 2 months? |
| 21:26.19 | mheath | E-3 is PFC in the Army |
| 21:26.21 | Lone_Wanderer | From which I extrapolated that the other thing was an officer rank. |
| 21:26.25 | mheath | cww: Yes :P |
| 21:26.38 | emcnabb | "emcnabb: you're not going to hear me say anything about the freakin Corps anymore. I was too weak to make it in the Corps. I was an embarassment, and a failure. I live with that fact every freaking day. The one thing I wanted to do with my life, and I couldn't handle it. I'm done discussing it. I haven't talked about it, I'm not the one bringing it up over and |
| 21:26.40 | Lone_Wanderer | What's E3 in the Marines? |
| 21:26.42 | cww | isn't bootcamp 13 weeks in MC? |
| 21:26.43 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.58 | mheath | cww: Yes, I was discharged while in bootcamp. |
| 21:27.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't even make it that far. |
| 21:27.36 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Lance Corporal. |
| 21:27.41 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 21:27.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that the one up with the rifle underneath? |
| 21:28.00 | cww | MC boot is really tough, Navy boot was the most boring 8 weeks of my life |
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| 21:28.16 | Lone_Wanderer | The Navy doesn't have boot camp, they have basic training. |
| 21:28.22 | cww | true |
| 21:28.24 | mheath | cww: Yeah, I've already been through a shorter version of USN basic that is identical in curriculum and PT requirements. |
| 21:28.33 | Lone_Wanderer | MC is the only one whose basic is called boot camp. *pedantic* |
| 21:28.35 | emcnabb | he was a Sea Cadet! |
| 21:28.38 | cww | we still called it boot though |
| 21:28.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone can want to be a Marine I guess ;) |
| 21:29.21 | emcnabb | "emcnabb: and want to know the freakin truth? They gave me a choice to come home. I panicked, couldn't handle one moment, and took that option. I even exagerated my injury to do that." |
| 21:29.30 | cww | boot, basic, symantics.. it is still a miserable experience |
| 21:29.32 | mheath | emcnabb: In reference to your quote. First, when I said that, I'd had a little bit too much to drink that night. Second, thats the way they make you think of it, constantly. |
| 21:29.45 | Lone_Wanderer | cww: yeah, I don't know why they make the distinction |
| 21:29.53 | mheath | Your exagerating. You need to just keep your freakin mouth shut and stomach it. |
| 21:30.03 | emcnabb | ? |
| 21:30.03 | mheath | Your weak, your a failure |
| 21:30.13 | cww | Lone_Wanderer: indeed |
| 21:30.14 | emcnabb | that's a quote from the IRC logs |
| 21:30.17 | mheath | Thats just the way they make you think about it. Just the way it is. |
| 21:30.19 | mheath | emcnabb: Yes, I know. |
| 21:30.35 | maquis | mheath: did i miss when you turned 21? |
| 21:30.56 | mheath | maquis: Heh. |
| 21:31.23 | cww | mheath: were you on the Island? |
| 21:31.32 | mheath | cww: San Diego. |
| 21:32.29 | cww | what was your MOS? |
| 21:32.36 | mheath | emcnabb: They gave me a choice, yes, but I was in intense pain when given that choice. My rather messed up, tired drunk monologue was commenting on the fact that if I hadn't been so weak and taken the easy way out at the time, a few weeks later I would have been feeling great and gotten back to training. |
| 21:32.41 | mheath | cww: 0311 |
| 21:32.52 | mheath | Rifleman |
| 21:33.07 | mheath | but thats irrelevent because, like I said, I never made it through boot. |
| 21:33.24 | mheath | Let alone get into infantry training |
| 21:34.39 | emcnabb | mheath: I think you should just forget the military. You have plenty of opportunities to to serve your fellow Americans |
| 21:34.48 | emcnabb | for example, you work at Applebees |
| 21:35.00 | mheath | emcnabb: I panicked, too. I didn't want to wait around to heal up |
| 21:35.14 | mheath | I was surrounded by all these people that had been sitting in medical rehab down there for literally MONTHS |
| 21:35.38 | mheath | one had been dropped out of training 4 seperate times, was literally 2 weeks worth of training away from graduating, and had been stuck there for a year and a half |
| 21:35.40 | cww | ah, Rifleman... I dunno if I could actually kill someone. I suppose if it was him or me, I would chose him. |
| 21:35.51 | mheath | I couldn't handle that. I didn't want that to happen to me. I had a chance to go home, and I took it |
| 21:36.04 | mheath | Thats now what I regret as the worst mistake of my life |
| 21:36.13 | cww | mheath: how old were you when you went to boot? |
| 21:36.18 | mheath | cww: 17. |
| 21:36.37 | Keighvin | Coincidentally, also his current age. |
| 21:36.45 | cww | ugh, that is kinda young... lot's of guys were home sick like crazy when I went... |
| 21:36.45 | mheath | heh. yep. |
| 21:37.19 | cww | I saw one guy shatter his knee cap to get out, me thinks a girl was involved |
| 21:37.31 | mheath | See, if I had stayed down there...I'd probably have AT LEAST been down there until January. |
| 21:37.51 | mheath | I was supposed to graduate on Nov 10, originally. |
| 21:38.25 | mheath | cww: but, yeah, I'm looking at QM, BM, or possibly ET (my friend keeps talking me into that one; I know it doesn't fit with the others) |
| 21:38.42 | mheath | I'm also rocking between Reserve, Active, or going for ROTC. Though I'm thinking active |
| 21:39.57 | emcnabb | but do they want you? |
| 21:40.04 | emcnabb | you lied already to the Marines |
| 21:40.24 | mheath | I did not lie. |
| 21:40.36 | mheath | I did not exagerate in the sense you seem to be thinking, either. |
| 21:40.47 | maquis | s/lied/were not fully honest/g |
| 21:40.52 | cww | mheath: BM? Like Boatswains Mate? |
| 21:40.52 | emcnabb | that's what you said the other day |
| 21:41.05 | mheath | cww: indeed. |
| 21:41.09 | cww | you do know what they do right? |
| 21:41.15 | mheath | cww: Yes :) |
| 21:41.21 | elg | ~spell exaggerate |
| 21:41.22 | cww | BM == deck ape |
| 21:41.39 | emcnabb | cww: mheath could do that |
| 21:41.53 | cww | painting, chipping, followed by shipping and painting, lather, rinse, repeat |
| 21:42.03 | cww | you might get to tie the occational knot |
| 21:42.17 | mheath | emcnabb: The way they see it down there, the drill instructors, the other recruits...if you say a word about it, you're exaggerating |
| 21:42.37 | elg | sounds right friendly |
| 21:42.40 | elg | first place I'd want to be |
| 21:42.41 | cww | and if they do a humivac, in rough seas, you get to attach the static probe to the helo ;-) |
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| 21:43.32 | mheath | cww: Like I said though, I'll make it to NCO pretty quick. |
| 21:43.39 | mheath | Life as an NCO BM wouldn't be bad. |
| 21:43.44 | Keighvin | This is an interesting conversation with certain parties on /ignore |
| 21:44.11 | cww | mheath: listed closely, you want a tech rate, like ESM ET, oh man they had it sweet on the sub, radio was good too, RM |
| 21:44.18 | ^Migs^ | NCO? |
| 21:44.25 | cww | you have to have decent asvab though, what was yours? |
| 21:44.42 | mheath | cww: 98. |
| 21:44.46 | Jayce^ | heh, asvab.... *snicker* |
| 21:45.11 | cww | hrm, that is pretty good, did they try and get you to go nuke? |
| 21:45.23 | elg | Keighvin: this is why I never do /ignore for very long. I don't like half of a conversation |
| 21:45.31 | elg | although I have put sjansen on ignore a couple of times |
| 21:45.32 | mheath | cww: I haven't begin to talk to the Navy about jobs yet |
| 21:45.47 | emcnabb | I mean he just recently bailed from the Marines |
| 21:45.47 | mheath | cww: I'm working with the Navy recruiter right now to try to get a waiver of medical condition |
| 21:46.07 | cww | if they didn't, I'd be very surpised, if you go to a Navy recruiter w/ a 98 asvab, they will try and talk you into the nuke program |
| 21:46.20 | cww | do it, it is the best job ever! |
| 21:46.35 | goozbach | only if you can press the button |
| 21:46.41 | Jayce^ | go live in idaho for a while :) |
| 21:46.43 | mheath | cww: that guarantees me E-4 after B school. |
| 21:46.45 | elg | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:46.52 | elg | ha! |
| 21:47.28 | mheath | mheath: I'm not that great with Math, though |
| 21:47.31 | mheath | bah |
| 21:47.40 | mheath | cww: * |
| 21:47.50 | mheath | cww: I hoped |
| 21:47.53 | mheath | I was kind of concerned. |
| 21:47.56 | goozbach | cww: or spell ever as evar |
| 21:48.05 | cww | yeah, if you're no good with math, then I'm surprised you got a 98 on the asvab |
| 21:48.09 | goozbach | and a lot of !'s after like so: |
| 21:48.23 | mheath | cww: Asvab doesn't go into Calculus or advanced maths |
| 21:48.26 | goozbach | BESTEST job EVAR!!!!!1111!!!!!1111oneoneoneoneeleventeen |
| 21:48.45 | goozbach | I aced the asvab |
| 21:48.50 | cww | but still, it tests your math skillz.. a 98 is a good score |
| 21:49.00 | goozbach | couldn't get the military to leave me alone |
| 21:49.18 | mheath | cww: I really hit a wall when I took Calculus. I'm not sure I could deal with taking a Calculus class under the pressure of "pass this test or will stick you in a bad unrated position instead with a 6 year commitment" |
| 21:49.43 | elg | you want the math?! You can't handle the math!! |
| 21:49.44 | mheath | Going to be another month before I even find out if I can go into the Navy, though |
| 21:49.54 | emcnabb | elg: :-) |
| 21:50.01 | mheath | Two more weeks for my last visit with the Orthopedic doctor |
| 21:50.04 | cww | I knew lots of nuke drop outs, smart guys, they were crushed when it happened, but soooo happy they were not nukes |
| 21:50.13 | emcnabb | mheath: what ever happened with college? you were pumped about that |
| 21:50.24 | cww | when in the fleet that is |
| 21:50.28 | mheath | emcnabb: before I found out there might be a possibility of me going back in |
| 21:50.33 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, that was *so* 1 week ago |
| 21:50.59 | goozbach | geez pay attention emcnabb |
| 21:51.23 | mheath | Because my doctor worded something in a very helpful way in his medical notes |
| 21:51.23 | cww | military will give you E2 or E3 depending on how many years of colleg you complete, might add up to 3 or 4 dollars a month in the long run |
| 21:51.32 | emcnabb | I'm sorry guys, I just can't keep up with mheath's life these days |
| 21:51.34 | emcnabb | always changing |
| 21:51.43 | mheath | "possible connective tissue disorder" vs "Marfan's Syndrome" |
| 21:51.59 | mheath | "possible connective tissue disorder" is easy to get cleared by a doctor |
| 21:52.08 | Keighvin | Hence my /ignore. |
| 21:52.11 | mheath | "possibility of Marfan's Syndrome" wouldn't have been easy at all to clear |
| 21:52.17 | emcnabb | mheath: I thought you said you'd be putting other Marines in harms way |
| 21:52.28 | emcnabb | are the people you work with in the Navy less important? |
| 21:52.39 | mheath | emcnabb: I didn't say it, thats what the discharge narrative said, and they always say something like that |
| 21:52.49 | Lone_Wanderer | You should join the AF. Most people can sweep runways, even with a connective tissue disorder. |
| 21:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Possibly because it's TRUE? |
| 21:53.07 | cww | AF has the best emenities |
| 21:53.11 | Lone_Wanderer | You think they don't have experience in things like this? |
| 21:53.12 | cww | great golf courses |
| 21:53.14 | levi | elg: There's lots of interesting discussion on the strongtalk-general list about implementing Ruby on it. Sounds like it's really a very good match for Ruby semantics, even though Ruby is more dynamic in some areas than Smalltalk. |
| 21:53.39 | Lone_Wanderer | levi - know anything about Django? |
| 21:53.46 | elg | good grief. I've lost count of how many people are implementing ruby |
| 21:53.53 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I know it's a python web framework. |
| 21:53.59 | cww | I played Hickam and Patrick, oh man they were sweet |
| 21:54.01 | Lone_Wanderer | that's about what I know too =\ |
| 21:54.11 | goozbach | so I'm all excited to play with my new * box |
| 21:54.12 | levi | elg: This is actually a VM that's nearly complete and faster than anything else. |
| 21:54.27 | elg | i think it's good |
| 21:54.32 | emcnabb | cww: sorry to waste your afternoon |
| 21:54.34 | elg | improvement is good |
| 21:54.36 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 21:54.38 | elg | hopefully strongtalk works out |
| 21:54.45 | mheath | cww: Yeah, but Navy's food can't be beat. |
| 21:54.49 | elg | ~waste emcnabb |
| 21:54.55 | mheath | Nor can their housing |
| 21:54.57 | levi | elg: I hope so too. Wish I had time to work on it myself. |
| 21:55.16 | cww | this is good stuff, much more entertaining than busted software |
| 21:55.40 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Seems to be fairly smartly developed. If you want to create a web app, it's probably worth looking into. |
| 21:55.40 | elg | but that's too scary even for halloween |
| 21:56.03 | levi | Oh, I found out I got an A on that midterm I didn't finish. I shouldn't have worried. |
| 21:56.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I have been, I like it better than Rails *waits for flames* but learning a new thing is frustrating. |
| 21:56.10 | Keighvin | Halloween? Don't you know, it's Christmas! |
| 21:56.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm so used to just knowing how to do everything. |
| 21:56.21 | Keighvin | Afterall... |
| 21:56.26 | Keighvin | OCT 31 = DEC 25 |
| 21:56.33 | levi | Har har. :) |
| 21:56.44 | cww | mheath: that is true, at least for subs, but it all depends on the MS.. and the food, you can't polish a terd |
| 21:56.49 | ^Migs^ | crap, I forgot to put up the orange Halloween lights |
| 21:57.04 | cww | just turn n the Xmas lights from last year ;-) |
| 21:57.13 | ^Migs^ | no, they're not orange!!!!! |
| 21:57.14 | goozbach | I'm going to sit on my porch as a scarecrow |
| 21:57.16 | mheath | cww: Land food. And that on carriers. Can't comment on sub food |
| 21:57.19 | goozbach | and try to scare some kids |
| 21:57.38 | elg | we're having spudnuts |
| 21:57.41 | mheath | I went to a bunch of training up at the TriTraFac up at Bangor....They have the "Trident Inn" messhall...mmmmm |
| 21:57.41 | elg | you're all invited |
| 21:57.42 | Keighvin | re:emperordalek's exit comment: I had a script once which would dynamically retrieve "connection" string info for Oracle DB entries. |
| 21:57.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm going to hide in the bushes in a black cloak my parents have and come out at them |
| 21:57.51 | ^Migs^ | this sucks. I may have to drag along my wife's cousin's 2 year-old kid |
| 21:57.58 | ^Migs^ | when I take my kids trick-or-treating tonight |
| 21:58.02 | Lone_Wanderer | bent over with eyeball-looking baseballs in my hands held up high |
| 21:58.06 | ^Migs^ | I'm not hauling 3 kids around |
| 21:58.12 | Keighvin | The "connection" parameter could be aliased as "conn," or "KHA+N" |
| 21:58.28 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I'm still playing with ideas for the web 'framework' I was building in Lisp. Currently it's just a CLOS-based dispatcher with an object prevalence layer, but I'm pondering how to add context-oriented layers to it. |
| 21:58.38 | Lone_Wanderer | heh |
| 21:58.41 | goozbach | elg: spudnuts? |
| 21:58.41 | emcnabb | well, back to work |
| 21:58.44 | emcnabb | later guys |
| 21:58.46 | goozbach | what's the address |
| 21:58.46 | Lone_Wanderer | there are so many Lisp frameworks =) |
| 21:58.47 | elg | spudnuts |
| 21:58.47 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:58.47 | emcnabb | and mheath |
| 21:58.50 | elg | new mexico |
| 21:58.51 | Jayce^ | mmm, spudnuts |
| 21:59.00 | goozbach | ohh be there in.... |
| 21:59.05 | goozbach | 6 hours |
| 21:59.08 | elg | did you move back to utah? |
| 21:59.11 | mheath | emcnabb: yes? |
| 21:59.17 | goozbach | no, still in florida |
| 21:59.21 | emcnabb | mheath: later |
| 21:59.30 | goozbach | I figure it's gonna take about an hour to find a charter plane |
| 21:59.31 | mheath | why was I seperated? |
| 21:59.36 | elg | :) |
| 21:59.40 | goozbach | then a couple to get from tally to pho? |
| 22:00.04 | Lone_Wanderer | So... |
| 22:00.06 | goozbach | to nmo |
| 22:00.12 | goozbach | not pho |
| 22:00.14 | Lone_Wanderer | When you guys (and by guys I mean males) call girls |
| 22:00.15 | goozbach | buhaha |
| 22:00.16 | mheath | bah. Two more weeks for my final doc appointment.... |
| 22:00.20 | Lone_Wanderer | what do you say? |
| 22:00.20 | elg | heh. nmo? |
| 22:00.29 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: nothing |
| 22:00.29 | mheath | Two more weeks after that to hear about if I'm going to get the waiver. |
| 22:00.30 | elg | actually you want to fly into elp |
| 22:00.36 | goozbach | just breathe really heavily |
| 22:00.44 | elg | and then it's an hour drive to las cruces |
| 22:00.48 | Lone_Wanderer | creepy :( |
| 22:00.52 | emcnabb | mheath: why did you bring up your doctor's appointment AGAIN? |
| 22:00.52 | elg | however if you're in a charter plane, las cruces has an airport |
| 22:01.15 | goozbach | elg: big enough for a learjet? |
| 22:01.30 | elg | yeah |
| 22:01.37 | elg | and for an xprize cup |
| 22:01.57 | goozbach | hmm |
| 22:02.05 | elg | what's your closest airport? |
| 22:02.10 | goozbach | tlh |
| 22:02.24 | goozbach | what's the airport code for las cruzes |
| 22:02.26 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:02.47 | elg | klru |
| 22:02.56 | Lone_Wanderer | How do you pronounce Las Cruzes? I'm guessing it's not "Loss Croozez"? |
| 22:03.26 | elg | From KTLH-Tallahassee Regional Airport |
| 22:03.53 | elg | like lost bruces |
| 22:04.36 | elg | http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLRU |
| 22:04.45 | cww | gotta run, bye everyone |
| 22:05.40 | goozbach | $15k |
| 22:05.53 | goozbach | don't think spudnuts are even that good |
| 22:05.55 | goozbach | dang |
| 22:06.48 | elg | we'll have nosferatu on in the background |
| 22:07.13 | elg | looks like a 3 hour flight in a learjet |
| 22:07.38 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I'm mostly doing it for fun; I'm not likely to release my code unless it becomes substantially more than a toy. |
| 22:08.59 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: what was that about calling girls? |
| 22:09.11 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: And I'm not sure this is the best crowd to ask about how to talk to girls on the phone. ;) |
| 22:09.27 | elg | well some of us did manage to get married |
| 22:09.34 | elg | so it's not the worst place either |
| 22:09.38 | Keighvin | elg: Here here! |
| 22:10.15 | levi | This is true, but I never did get the hang of talking to girls I was interested in dating on the phone. |
| 22:14.09 | levi | I talked to my wife-to-be on the phone all the time, but I wasn't trying to date her at the time. |
| 22:15.34 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: call them |
| 22:16.13 | levi | Actually, I tried to date her at first, but she clearly wasn't interested. So, I switched gears and decided to just befriend her. |
| 22:16.28 | ^Migs^ | looks like your ruse worked, levi |
| 22:16.54 | levi | Indeed. |
| 22:20.58 | levi | Probably the most important principle I inferred from my eventual success was that women seemed to be attracted to me in proportion to the effort I expended to strike up casual conversations with everyone I could. |
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| 22:26.22 | levi | Hmm. I kill conversations. |
| 22:27.14 | Keighvin | Perhaps you need to expend more effort to strike them up? |
| 22:28.49 | levi | No, those days are over. |
| 22:30.18 | ^Migs^ | my wife was attracted to me because I'm a prime hunk of meat |
| 22:30.31 | ^Migs^ | The End. |
| 22:32.08 | elg | she's a cannibal? |
| 22:32.51 | levi | Um. Did anyone here find the comic that Aaron Toponce posted in his blog at all funny? |
| 22:33.53 | ^Migs^ | link please? |
| 22:34.51 | levi | http://www.pthree.org/ |
| 22:35.05 | levi | I read it from the Utah Open Source Planet feed, though. |
| 22:35.58 | Keighvin | Really boring, here. |
| 22:36.03 | Keighvin | (meaning reaction to that comment) |
| 22:36.06 | Keighvin | And I'm out. |
| 22:37.35 | ^Migs^ | wow, that's remarkably unfunny. |
| 22:37.46 | elg | it was not bad |
| 22:38.08 | eco | I actually sucked air into my lungs in an inverted laugh motion after reading that. |
| 22:38.58 | ^Migs^ | so you effectively UNlaughed? |
| 22:39.05 | eco | Indeed. |
| 22:39.06 | ^Migs^ | that's how much it sucked to you. Wow. |
| 22:39.07 | elg | i laughed in the second panel |
| 22:40.01 | levi | Hmm. I didn't even crack a smile. |
| 22:40.39 | ^Migs^ | me neither |
| 22:40.41 | elg | funny thing about humor |
| 22:40.46 | ^Migs^ | I think the preference of humor in here is rather dry anyway |
| 22:41.14 | ^Migs^ | some things are undeniably funny. That comic isn't one of those things. |
| 22:41.58 | elg | and some things are undeniably unfunny and yet still a staple gag |
| 22:42.16 | elg | like the crotch-meets-flagpole gag in all its variations |
| 22:42.31 | ^Migs^ | staple gags are not funny if they're tired and overused |
| 22:43.27 | elg | funny: computer geek girl facedown with ninja wins with a groin kick |
| 22:43.37 | elg | unfunny from day one: crotch-meets-flagpole gags |
| 22:44.18 | ^Migs^ | computer geek girl facedown with ninja wins with a groin kick <--- random assortment of words |
| 22:44.54 | elg | s/ninja/ninja; she/ |
| 22:45.42 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
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| 22:49.45 | elg | poor guy. always so grumpy |
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| 23:21.23 | findlay | well this compressed air can turned out to be a big dissapointment |
| 23:25.48 | macnewbold | were you expecting something other than air to come out of it? |
| 23:27.25 | elg | churrasco for example? |
| 23:27.30 | findlay | you pretty much get about 10 seconds worth of high power spray every 5 minutes |
| 23:27.48 | elg | http://affordaplane.com/ |
| 23:28.10 | elg | I know I badmouthed ultralight kits, but that one I think I could stomach |
| 23:28.29 | elg | it's simple, and apparently handles well |
| 23:29.16 | findlay | for the price/cost differential in calculating the energy I was planning on saving by having well dusted computer electronics, I might as well get a 1 horsepower shop vac |
| 23:30.00 | findlay | ~convert 1 horsepower to watts |
| 23:30.22 | elg | and cheap. $3k (plus engine) |
| 23:31.02 | findlay | you don't need an engine. Swap it out with my 1 horsepower shop vac |
| 23:31.38 | elg | sorry I need 40hp |
| 23:32.12 | findlay | you could use 40 horses, or reigndeer |
| 23:32.38 | findlay | macnewbold: it won't let me write my name in the air |
| 23:33.02 | macnewbold | doh |
| 23:33.14 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:33.20 | elg | looks like a 40hp is $1000-$1500, so total $4500-$5000 (after tools and stuff too) |
| 23:45.38 | *** join/#utah Sargun (n=xbmodder@69-12-240-206.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 23:45.39 | Sargun | hey. |
| 23:49.35 | Mecworks | ibot, what's up? |
| 23:49.36 | ibot | Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. |
| 23:50.00 | Mecworks | ibot, convert 100 miles to barleycorns |
| 23:50.12 | Mecworks | thanks ibot! |
| 23:50.25 | elg | ~convert 2e7 barleycorns to miles |
| 23:50.38 | elg | ~convert 2.0e+7 barleycorns to miles |
| 23:50.49 | elg | hypocrite |