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| 00:22.56 | atoponce | anyone around? |
| 00:23.42 | epp | me |
| 00:23.59 | levi_home | I am too, for the moment. |
| 00:24.24 | atoponce | ok. i just posted on my blog about ssh port forwarding, and it got me thinking |
| 00:24.48 | atoponce | how can others on the same network take advantage of my ssh tunnel? |
| 00:25.22 | atoponce | for example, i run 'ssh -L 8080:localhost:3128 servername.org' on my ubuntu box |
| 00:25.46 | atoponce | then i point my browser to localhost:8080, and i'm surfing via proxy |
| 00:26.04 | atoponce | how can my wife surf on the same proxy with her ibook? |
| 00:26.42 | atoponce | so i think: 'ssh -4 -g -L *:8080:localhost:3128 servername.org' should work |
| 00:26.52 | levi_home | Beats me. |
| 00:27.10 | atoponce | for me on localhost, it does, but for my wife on the ibook, i point it to ip:8080, and it times out |
| 00:27.14 | atoponce | driving me nuts |
| 00:28.20 | levi_home | What address are you binding on localhost? How's it listed in netstat? |
| 00:29.23 | atoponce | well, my ubuntu box is 192.168.1.4, so 'ssh -4 -g -L 192.168.1.4:8080:localhost:3128 servername.org', right? |
| 00:30.12 | atoponce | point my local browser to 192.168.1.4:8080, and i'm at work. same for my wife's ibook, and no dice |
| 00:30.32 | levi_home | If you want a listening port to be available on a network, it has to be bound on an address on that network. |
| 00:30.57 | levi_home | So, your 'localhost' may be binding to a 127 address, which would make it unavailable to your LAN. |
| 00:31.14 | atoponce | right, which is defined by [bind_address]:port:host:remote_port |
| 00:31.40 | atoponce | it's the :host: that i think is throwing me off |
| 00:31.53 | levi_home | So, what does netstat say? |
| 00:31.59 | atoponce | i've had :192.168.1.4: in there as well |
| 00:32.00 | atoponce | let me look |
| 00:34.01 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 00:35.57 | findlay | did you check your firewall settings? |
| 00:36.02 | findlay | iptables -vL |
| 00:37.56 | atoponce | netstat -l gives *:webcache. i assume webcache is port 8080 |
| 00:41.12 | findlay | do `netstat -ln` |
| 00:41.47 | atoponce | k. just a sec |
| 00:42.48 | atoponce | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.4:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 00:42.57 | findlay | netstat -lnp |
| 00:43.34 | atoponce | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.4:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 16541/ssh |
| 00:44.14 | findlay | I assume 0.0.0.0 is a wildcard |
| 00:44.19 | maquis | http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/investigator/archives/even-scrap-could-solve-this-case-12541 |
| 00:44.37 | findlay | my netstat usually shows *:* for [host]:[port] |
| 00:44.45 | atoponce | findlay: it's the foreign address |
| 00:45.09 | atoponce | whatever that is :S |
| 00:46.08 | findlay | try `telnet 192.168.1.4 8080` from the ibook |
| 00:46.21 | findlay | or netcat, whichever |
| 00:47.46 | atoponce | good idea. haven't thought of that.... |
| 00:49.16 | atoponce | now wait a minute. it's working (without telnet) where just 10 minutes ago it wasn't... |
| 00:49.30 | maquis | atoponce: been there, done that :) |
| 00:50.37 | atoponce | ugh. i was about to pull my hair out. i wonder what i was doing wrong... |
| 00:51.07 | findlay | I've seen some funny things go on with Linux routing before |
| 00:51.46 | findlay | so ssh takes care of all the transactions, right, there's no kernel level routing going on? |
| 00:52.02 | atoponce | yeah |
| 00:52.48 | findlay | sending an ICMP echo request from the router to the ibook may jumpstart things |
| 00:53.33 | findlay | can you achieve normal traffic otherwise between the two computers? |
| 00:53.59 | findlay | like www, ssh, ftp, etc. |
| 00:54.06 | atoponce | i haven't benchmarked, but i imagine with the encryption/decryption overhead, it would be a little slower |
| 00:54.22 | atoponce | but it's not noticeable if it is |
| 00:54.34 | levi_home | You might want to check how it effects fragmentation. |
| 00:54.43 | findlay | I mean, I've seen before that the server won't route the client's packets until you ping it |
| 00:55.49 | atoponce | levi_home: how would i do that? |
| 01:00.11 | levi_home | Using wireshark on the machine you're forwarding to, probably. |
| 01:05.19 | findlay | wireshark, heh. Real men use libpcap |
| 01:05.30 | findlay | and read the packet decode in hex! |
| 01:05.51 | levi_home | Real men have better things to do than waste time on such things when there are already good, free tools. |
| 01:06.19 | nick125_lappy | http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=14560 < haha |
| 01:56.00 | Sargun | Stupid flow charts work. |
| 02:00.57 | Sargun | maquis, I love you -- in the way a brother loves a sister. |
| 02:04.49 | Sargun | Everyone poke atarack.com |
| 02:16.17 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:16.27 | Sargun | Everyone poke atarack.com, how do you like it? |
| 02:16.38 | Sargun | "The new atarack.com" |
| 02:31.37 | Sargun | Anyone alive? |
| 02:34.59 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: dude, thats the same old crappy site |
| 02:35.07 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:35.12 | Sargun | with new cherrycrap |
| 02:50.31 | levi_home | ~lart maquis |
| 02:57.13 | Sargun | machine A can ping machine B, and machine B can ping machine A |
| 02:57.22 | Sargun | machine a can send data to machine b |
| 02:57.27 | Sargun | but machine b cannot respond |
| 02:57.28 | Sargun | why not? |
| 03:06.33 | maquis | Sargun: any particular reason? |
| 03:06.38 | maquis | ~lart levi_home |
| 03:12.35 | findlay | Sargun: machine B is Evil Proprietary OS(R)! |
| 03:12.47 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:13.09 | maquis | http://starbeatacademy.ytmnd.com/ |
| 03:18.22 | Sargun | no |
| 03:20.54 | findlay | ibot: yes |
| 03:20.58 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 03:21.05 | findlay | ibot: I do |
| 03:21.07 | ibot | You do? |
| 03:21.17 | findlay | ibot: yes |
| 03:21.18 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 03:21.25 | findlay | ibot: I do |
| 03:21.26 | ibot | You do? |
| 03:21.40 | findlay | ibot: stop repeating yourself |
| 03:21.42 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops repeating yourself |
| 03:21.53 | findlay | ibot: thanks |
| 03:21.53 | ibot | findlay: gern geschehen |
| 03:27.32 | findlay | my roomate made this huge bucket of soup that isn't very good. Now we are going to have to have it in the refrigerator until it goes bad. |
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| 03:39.53 | Sargun | What is the name of a good podcast (other than tllts, twit, and jak attack) |
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| 03:54.31 | Kuyaedz | has anyone done a shared /home between 2+ distros? |
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| 04:20.27 | levi_home | findlay: You could secretly dump it when they're away. |
| 04:27.37 | findlay | heh |
| 04:27.42 | findlay | but he would notice |
| 04:28.52 | levi_home | If he's not going to eat it, why would he care? |
| 04:29.08 | findlay | good question |
| 04:31.28 | findlay | levi_home: do you think it's wrong if your bishop requires you to go on dates? |
| 04:33.54 | levi_home | findlay: Your bishop is requiring you to go on dates? |
| 04:34.59 | levi_home | Bishops of single student wards get some crazy ideas. I just ignore them. |
| 04:35.35 | levi_home | Stake Presidents tend to get crazy ideas about singles, too. I also ignore those. |
| 04:35.41 | findlay | heh |
| 04:36.35 | findlay | I just heard about this ward that has people who set up ward members |
| 04:36.51 | levi_home | That sounds like a crazy idea worthy of ignoring. |
| 04:37.01 | findlay | I'd be writing to my area authority if my ward did that |
| 04:37.11 | levi_home | That's too much work. |
| 04:37.16 | findlay | heh |
| 04:37.17 | levi_home | And maybe I'd get set up with a cute girl. |
| 04:37.32 | levi_home | Not that it would have made much of a difference if I did. |
| 04:37.36 | findlay | still, it leaves a very repugnant taste in my mouth |
| 04:37.47 | findlay | who cares how cute the girl is |
| 04:38.14 | levi_home | Sometimes you have to put your idealism in the back seat and just enjoy some time with a cute girl. |
| 04:38.38 | levi_home | (doing appropriate things, of course. ;) ) |
| 04:38.45 | findlay | mainly I'm kind of disgusted because of the interview I had with my home teaching supervisor |
| 04:39.12 | levi_home | I largely ignore home teaching, too, but I wouldn't recommend following my example there. |
| 04:39.15 | elg | another thing I like to avoid |
| 04:39.29 | elg | i tend to at least want to do my home teaching |
| 04:39.33 | findlay | I said, "we scheduled an appointment for next Sunday." He said: "Can you try to get an appointment before Wednesday?" |
| 04:39.44 | findlay | "So we can meet our goals" |
| 04:39.45 | elg | but if I can get away with not doing those stupid "interviews" |
| 04:39.52 | maquis | lol |
| 04:39.58 | findlay | I thought the point was to help people, not to meet goals |
| 04:40.26 | elg | you're right |
| 04:40.44 | levi_home | Everyone I'm supposed to home teach is either violently opposed to the idea or more righteous than me. |
| 04:40.56 | Sargun | Is it mpeg-4 that all video players can play, or mpeg-2? |
| 04:40.59 | elg | have you been on a mission? I can't remember |
| 04:41.07 | findlay | home teaching should be determined by the recipient, not by arbitrary goals |
| 04:41.10 | levi_home | So, I go whenever my companion wants to. He's pretty good about it. |
| 04:41.15 | elg | same thing, more intense. I mostly ignored the numbers game too |
| 04:41.25 | findlay | elg: I haven't |
| 04:41.43 | maquis | worked for me, at least :) |
| 04:41.45 | findlay | whatever |
| 04:41.47 | levi_home | I had a largely miserable time on my mission, punctuated with a few really good experiences. |
| 04:41.53 | findlay | like there's any girls there |
| 04:41.59 | elg | it's only speculation, but I think I was released from district leader largely because I didn't get "pumped up" in an interview with one of the ZLs (or was it AP?) |
| 04:42.02 | findlay | maquis: maybe only for girls (: |
| 04:42.07 | maquis | :) |
| 04:42.29 | maquis | like i said.... it worked for me... so it must work for everyone |
| 04:42.34 | findlay | besides, who's left between UVLUG, UUG, and PLUG, Jamie? |
| 04:42.43 | maquis | uh... |
| 04:42.45 | maquis | i dunno |
| 04:42.51 | findlay | maquis: are you trying to setup Jamie or something? |
| 04:42.58 | levi_home | My trainer ended up as an AP despite the fact that he seemed to be a compulsive liar and played extremely fast and loose with the rules. |
| 04:43.00 | elg | not that I minded. I much preferred not being a leader, and training (which I did several times) |
| 04:43.11 | maquis | nah... but if your bishop starts getting after you, it's a good tactic to try |
| 04:43.30 | levi_home | I, on the other hand, never got a leadership calling. Which I had mixed feelings about, but it was for the best. |
| 04:43.35 | findlay | heh, not me |
| 04:44.21 | elg | I had a nightmare the other day. Our stake president was dying and he called our ward's second counselor to be the new SP, and me to be his counselor, and also called me to be our new bishop |
| 04:44.45 | levi_home | elg: In the stake presidency and the bishop at the same time? Yow. |
| 04:45.01 | maquis | http://bash.org/?703138 |
| 04:45.05 | findlay | heh |
| 04:45.07 | elg | it was also funny. russel (the second counselor) is, well, not going to be the next stake president. :) |
| 04:45.28 | findlay | maquis: can we trust your bash URLs? |
| 04:45.35 | maquis | findlay: yeah |
| 04:45.41 | elg | he's hardly here for one thing - he's over almost all the theaters in new mexico and is often out of town supervising construction of new theaters |
| 04:45.46 | levi_home | I swear I'll turn down any more presidency callings I get in the near future. Why someone thinks I ought to be in a presidency, much less a president, is far beyond my comprehension. |
| 04:46.18 | elg | so yeah, it was a nightmare. |
| 04:47.10 | elg | but based on real fear. our EQ pres is moving soon, and I don't want anything to do with that |
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| 04:47.29 | levi_home | elg: Screen your calls. |
| 04:47.29 | findlay | levi_home: delegate is the answer |
| 04:47.41 | elg | oh, I do better than that |
| 04:47.45 | elg | our phone only works half the time |
| 04:47.47 | elg | :) |
| 04:47.58 | levi_home | findlay: I hate delegating tasks to people who don't want to do the tasks. |
| 04:48.30 | levi_home | I don't have any trouble delegating at work, but I can't do it for church stuff. |
| 04:48.48 | findlay | levi_home: then don't blame yourself if things don't work as advertized |
| 04:49.18 | elg | blame emcnabb |
| 04:49.22 | findlay | levi_home: besides, I hate it too |
| 04:49.42 | maquis | emcnabb is a good person to blame |
| 04:49.46 | maquis | for just about anything |
| 04:50.06 | levi_home | findlay: It is my fault if stuff doesn't work right in my organization. So, I attempted to arrange things to require as little intervention from me as possible. |
| 04:50.29 | findlay | did it work? |
| 04:50.43 | levi_home | findlay: Which means I pretty much ignore anything except Gospel Doctrine, because it's the only class that absolutely has to run every Sunday. |
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| 04:53.08 | findlay | maquis: I rest my case. If my bishop gets after me, there's *no one* in any LUG within 300 miles |
| 04:53.16 | levi_home | There are several teachers each for Gospel Doctrine and Gospel Essentials. The GD teachers have a schedule I email to them every month or so, and the GE teachers have apparently worked out a schedule amongst themselves, because I don't get any complaints about that class. |
| 04:53.28 | maquis | findlay: does your bishop know that/ |
| 04:53.30 | maquis | ? |
| 04:53.38 | findlay | heh |
| 04:53.48 | findlay | nope |
| 05:00.23 | levi_home | Anyway, dating kind of sucks. I got my wife to fall for me by hanging out with her all the time. |
| 05:00.37 | elg | stealth dating |
| 05:00.49 | levi_home | I'd tell her about my dates, and eventually she figured out she was getting jealous. |
| 05:02.16 | levi_home | It was much easier to get to know her outside of a 'dating' situation for someone who became socially inept around romantic prospects. |
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| 05:17.43 | elg | http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/10/witches_in_your.html |
| 05:18.16 | levi_home | elg: Seen this Ruby grammar visualization? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/280661836/ |
| 05:20.15 | elg | http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/10/the_end_of_paf.html |
| 05:24.50 | levi_home | o/~ "By land, by sea, by dirigible... we'll leave our tracks untraceable now" o/~ |
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| 06:05.24 | findlay | levi_home: not everyone can be so lucky |
| 06:08.41 | levi_home | findlay: Nah, you just need to meet the right girl. |
| 06:08.54 | findlay | indeed |
| 06:09.04 | findlay | and what is right? |
| 06:10.39 | Sargun | how do you tell the mysql client to bind to a specific ip? |
| 06:12.40 | findlay | Sargun, hey, we're talking about girls here |
| 06:12.53 | findlay | what's a mysql client? |
| 06:13.04 | Sargun | oh |
| 06:13.06 | Sargun | we are |
| 06:13.15 | findlay | heh |
| 06:13.55 | levi_home | findlay: Whatever's right for you, man. :) |
| 06:18.05 | findlay | levi_home, yes, that is why, drawn from probabilistic introspection applied to the current environment it doesn't appear likely |
| 06:18.49 | findlay | besides, I'm not interested in getting married just for the sake of doing so |
| 06:20.29 | Sargun | grgsi |
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| 06:23.23 | findlay | Sargun: you know that most of the stuff I say like that is just using a cheap method of humor making which involves a reversal absurdity, right? |
| 06:23.59 | Sargun | findlay, No, but I realise most of stuff you say is just funny nonsense :-P |
| 06:24.01 | levi_home | findlay: Well, one shouldn't get married just to do so. Nevertheless, one /should/ keep one's eyes open for prospects, because it's awfully nice at times to have a wife. :) |
| 06:24.05 | findlay | heh |
| 06:24.14 | findlay | good times |
| 06:24.19 | Sargun | levi_home, like when you file taxes? |
| 06:24.20 | Sargun | :-P |
| 06:24.32 | findlay | yeah, you can file double jointed and stuff |
| 06:24.43 | levi_home | Sargun: Well, it'll be nicer this time with a kid. |
| 06:24.52 | mheath | mmm, new toy |
| 06:24.55 | mheath | A used laptop :) |
| 06:25.00 | Sargun | mheath, ah, nice. |
| 06:25.13 | levi_home | Anyway, time to sleep. |
| 06:25.24 | mheath | 533 Mhz AMD K6-2+ processor |
| 06:25.37 | mheath | 64MB of RAM |
| 06:25.42 | mheath | 6.0GB HDD |
| 06:25.44 | mheath | DVD-ROM |
| 06:25.48 | levi_home | BTW, anyone interested in hearing some new music should give The Decemberists' new album 'The Crane Wife' a listen. |
| 06:26.13 | findlay | what's 'DVD' backwards? |
| 06:26.18 | mheath | I love it when I find an old computer like this |
| 06:26.24 | mheath | Disused because it's 'too slow' |
| 06:26.29 | mheath | add a little Linux love |
| 06:26.32 | mheath | and, good as new :) |
| 06:26.33 | levi_home | findlay: VDV |
| 06:26.37 | findlay | ah |
| 06:26.43 | Sargun | "digital video disc".reverse() |
| 06:27.12 | levi_home | Sargun: Did you miss the memo? They call them Digital Versatile Discs now. :P |
| 06:27.17 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:27.28 | Sargun | uhh |
| 06:27.31 | levi_home | "DVD: Not just for video anymore!" |
| 06:27.47 | mheath | No builtin wireless, though |
| 06:27.48 | mheath | :( |
| 06:28.01 | Sargun | mheath, how much does a wireless card cost? |
| 06:28.04 | Sargun | 7 dollars? |
| 06:28.19 | levi_home | I've got more than enough slow computers taking up space. |
| 06:28.24 | findlay | mheath: you're not likely to get wireless on a laptop that old |
| 06:28.36 | mheath | findlay: that old? The thing was made in 2000. |
| 06:28.48 | findlay | and when you need the space they're too slow to move out of it |
| 06:28.50 | mheath | I've used laptops made in 95 and had working wireless |
| 06:28.55 | findlay | not like R2-D2 |
| 06:29.05 | findlay | but not builtin |
| 06:29.09 | mheath | levi_home: this is just going to be a machine dedicated to inventory and paperwork management for that USNSCC group |
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| 07:17.12 | Tene | anyone want to buy a pair of broken HP laptops? |
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| 13:10.22 | maquis | *grumble* |
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| 13:43.53 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 13:48.01 | elg | graphyx: http://xkcd.com/c177.html |
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| 14:09.13 | graphyx | That's funny.... |
| 14:09.19 | graphyx | I mean that's really funny.. |
| 14:09.37 | graphyx | One of the Accountants at my last work place was named malorie. |
| 14:09.47 | graphyx | I thought that was amusing as well. |
| 14:09.47 | epp | yeah right... lies. |
| 14:09.54 | graphyx | Malorie working at a security company. |
| 14:11.01 | epp | off to school! |
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| 14:14.16 | goozbach | quote of the day: "I'm more touched than a congressional page" -- Scott Adams |
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| 15:02.29 | goozbach | NO!!!! |
| 15:02.48 | redbeard1 | -lart ibot |
| 15:03.17 | graphyx | ~onjoin ibot |
| 15:03.17 | ibot | onjoin for ibot set by maquis on Sat Feb 18 21:09:00 2006: I'm Back! |
| 15:04.30 | graphyx | ibot, go find brac |
| 15:05.30 | Sargun | who killed ibot? |
| 15:05.53 | graphyx | I shot the sherrif, but I didn't shoot the deputy... |
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| 15:09.46 | Sargun | poke |
| 15:12.53 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.59 | goozbach | poke!? hah |
| 15:13.28 | Sargun | ouch. |
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| 15:25.53 | Sargun | Anyone here invested in corrections corp. of america, or avalon correctional seervices |
| 15:25.55 | Sargun | er |
| 15:25.58 | Sargun | services |
| 15:26.12 | graphyx | How do you check root's mail if all you have is sudo? |
| 15:27.08 | graphyx | would sudo mail be sufficient?> |
| 15:27.16 | redbeard1 | can you sudo bash? |
| 15:27.18 | graphyx | Or does that run the program with root's perms for the local user? |
| 15:27.25 | graphyx | I hadn't even thought of that one. |
| 15:27.31 | graphyx | IT's for a friend. |
| 15:27.36 | graphyx | I don't know if he can. |
| 15:27.48 | graphyx | I thought sudo was setup to prevent that type of thing in the first place though. |
| 15:28.08 | redbeard1 | since i can't ever get su to work in ubuntu, i've taken to using sudo bash instead |
| 15:28.19 | graphyx | hmm... |
| 15:33.26 | tensai | sudo su should work |
| 15:34.54 | findlay | ubuntu has a weak version of sudo |
| 15:35.19 | redbeard1 | yeah, i've always wondered why ubuntu did sudo like that |
| 15:35.44 | findlay | the version I have on gentoo has a lot more features |
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| 15:39.28 | graphyx | Seems to me that in order for secure voting applications to actually take place what we need is a Open source coding for the voting machine software. |
| 15:39.31 | goozbach | pam_wheel is much easier than sudo |
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| 15:39.46 | goozbach | sudo is more fine grained however |
| 15:39.51 | graphyx | since diebold has had one debacle after another year after year... |
| 15:39.54 | goozbach | ~gatech? |
| 15:40.02 | ibot | [gatech] where calvarez is? |
| 15:40.02 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:40.09 | graphyx | It's what it's at.. |
| 15:40.20 | graphyx | Got two turntables and a microphone.. |
| 15:40.36 | findlay | graphyx: but do you think the politicians will ever get it? |
| 15:40.40 | graphyx | no. |
| 15:40.41 | findlay | of course not |
| 15:40.44 | graphyx | They are paid to not think. |
| 15:40.55 | calvarez | hmm, I'm sitting through a very uninteresting talk on parallel processing on supercomputers |
| 15:41.14 | findlay | thus by election rigging, they're enshrining their terms of office |
| 15:42.03 | graphyx | I think if there were a job description for most of the politicians around the first bullet point would be |
| 15:42.41 | levi | calvarez: What makes it uninteresting? |
| 15:42.42 | graphyx | 1) Do your best to make the majority of the people think you are essential in the government without doing anything to earn it. |
| 15:42.57 | calvarez | levi, myself |
| 15:43.06 | levi | Ahh, too bad. |
| 15:43.08 | calvarez | not interested on this topic |
| 15:43.23 | levi | Why are you sitting through the talk, then? |
| 15:44.21 | calvarez | part of class |
| 15:44.36 | calvarez | different professors come and present their research topics |
| 15:45.26 | findlay | it all comes down to whether citizens believe they have a voice |
| 15:45.43 | findlay | which is why these vote gobbling machines are especially troubling |
| 15:45.49 | graphyx | Is this an attempt to get you guys some research topics? Or find a prof for which you want to be an RA? |
| 15:45.56 | calvarez | graphyx, both |
| 15:46.02 | graphyx | figured. |
| 15:46.03 | calvarez | but I've already made up my mind |
| 15:46.09 | graphyx | whats your topic? |
| 15:46.18 | findlay | voting machines? |
| 15:46.23 | calvarez | graphics and augmented reality |
| 15:46.41 | calvarez | more like, graphics in augmented reality |
| 15:46.43 | graphyx | so second life version 2.0 |
| 15:46.45 | graphyx | ? |
| 15:46.49 | levi | I've seen interesting things done with graphics and augmented reality on clusters. |
| 15:46.58 | calvarez | graphyx, no, no MMORPGs |
| 15:47.04 | calvarez | I'm talking about useful stuff |
| 15:47.14 | graphyx | second life is an attempt to nto just be a mmprpg. |
| 15:47.34 | calvarez | I don't have a high opinion on MMORPGs and the people that play them |
| 15:47.41 | levi | graphyx: This is true, but its real usefulness is debatable. |
| 15:47.59 | graphyx | levi I never said it had succeeded... |
| 15:48.07 | calvarez | levi, I'm sure clusters can be useful for AR, but I'll leave that area to someone else |
| 15:48.18 | graphyx | calvarez: I've played mmorpgs. Does that mean I am evil? |
| 15:48.24 | calvarez | graphyx, no |
| 15:48.31 | graphyx | few.. what a releif.. |
| 15:48.32 | graphyx | ;) |
| 15:48.38 | calvarez | graphyx, that's a caricature of my opinion, not my opinion itself |
| 15:48.46 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 15:48.54 | levi | calvarez: They're useful to the graphics part, too. But, I suppose you don't have to pay attention to that either. |
| 15:49.05 | calvarez | well, if you play MMORPGs for 20+ hrs a week, then I'd say you're a loser, but not evil, not necessarily |
| 15:49.26 | calvarez | levi, no, not really |
| 15:49.38 | calvarez | I'm more interested on going ubiqutous with AR |
| 15:49.54 | levi | So, wearable computers and such? |
| 15:50.00 | calvarez | so I'll just wait until clusters take on a more ubiquotous shape |
| 15:50.01 | calvarez | yea |
| 15:50.15 | graphyx | calvarez: The only mmorpg I've played that much in a week would have to be idlerpg.. |
| 15:50.25 | levi | Well, parallel processing is getting a lot more ubiquitous. |
| 15:50.27 | graphyx | but that one doesn't really cound. |
| 15:50.52 | graphyx | I was thinking of a new RFC convention. |
| 15:51.04 | graphyx | What if there was a special URL created for local wireless net access. |
| 15:51.18 | graphyx | Say the URL local.info was reserved for use by webservers on wireless network.s |
| 15:51.42 | graphyx | You connect to the network and you could go to local.info to get information about who is putting out the wifi and what other services they had. |
| 15:51.44 | calvarez | a wireless HTTP server |
| 15:51.58 | graphyx | A restaraunt could use that for the menu |
| 15:52.04 | graphyx | A library for the catalog. |
| 15:52.16 | graphyx | Just by connecting to the wireless and requesting local.info. |
| 15:52.28 | calvarez | graphyx, that's a pretty good idea |
| 15:52.37 | graphyx | Think that would help out AR? |
| 15:52.45 | calvarez | in fact, I forgive you for wasting your life on MMORPGs |
| 15:52.48 | calvarez | ;) j/k |
| 15:52.58 | calvarez | I don't know about AR, it's still too new |
| 15:52.59 | graphyx | Granted some people are doing things similar to that with dns replies.. |
| 15:53.22 | graphyx | calvarez: Thanks. My wife already did it though somewhat... Just as long as I don't get sucked back into it. |
| 15:53.34 | levi | graphyx: I believe the Apple Bonjour (was Rendezvous) stuff is aimed at similar functionality. |
| 15:53.38 | graphyx | but there isn't that much change to that. |
| 15:53.58 | calvarez | yuck |
| 15:54.01 | calvarez | Apple |
| 15:54.18 | calvarez | Macs are for commies :p |
| 15:54.24 | levi | Hey, they're open standards, you don't have to use Apple's implementations. |
| 15:55.35 | calvarez | bbl |
| 16:05.14 | graphyx | does ibot or brac have an anti lurker function? ie, if someone doesn't say anything for 2 weeks it kicks them off? |
| 16:05.40 | graphyx | It could check and then inform and admin if it doesn't have operator rights.. |
| 16:07.08 | findlay | why? |
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| 16:10.34 | goozbach | what's wrong with lurkers? |
| 16:12.10 | graphyx | redbeard1: http://smallprint.netzoo.net/by-eating-this-you-agree-that-it-is-of-mine/ |
| 16:13.41 | maquis | graphyx: ibot's an op :) |
| 16:14.40 | graphyx | true.. |
| 16:14.52 | graphyx | But it was a generic question since ibot isn't an op in all channels. |
| 16:14.58 | maquis | ah |
| 16:15.46 | maquis | i still don't get why we're kicking lurkers... |
| 16:16.44 | redbeard1 | why would we be kicking lurkers? |
| 16:17.00 | maquis | redbeard1: dunno |
| 16:17.29 | tensai | maquis: wait, why are you kicking lurkers? |
| 16:17.40 | maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 16:17.47 | tensai | come see the violence inherent in the system! |
| 16:17.51 | redbeard1 | ~haha tensai |
| 16:17.54 | ibot | ACTION beats tensai about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 16:18.02 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.14 | tensai | rm -rf /home/maquis |
| 16:18.24 | maquis | er... right |
| 16:18.30 | maquis | i can't fight tensai... |
| 16:18.41 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.42 | maquis | :) |
| 16:18.51 | redbeard1 | hey! what was that for? |
| 16:19.01 | maquis | redbeard1: because i can't pick on tensai |
| 16:19.12 | redbeard1 | ~lart tensai |
| 16:19.18 | redbeard1 | tensai: this is all your fault |
| 16:19.35 | levi | maquis: Why can't you pick on tensai? |
| 16:19.36 | tensai | ~lart graphyx |
| 16:19.57 | maquis | levi: because i'm running irssi on his server |
| 16:19.59 | tensai | [Whois] maquis is n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org (maquis) |
| 16:20.10 | levi | Ahh, I see. |
| 16:20.45 | goozbach | maquis: you could run irssi on your neverblock server, then you could pick on tensai all you want |
| 16:20.50 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:20.57 | maquis | i just haven't switched it over :) |
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| 16:22.32 | graphyx | just for another channel that has a plethora of lurkers.. |
| 16:23.29 | graphyx | redbeard1: you read that URL? |
| 16:23.53 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i couldn't get it to come up |
| 16:24.40 | graphyx | try this one: http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/new-era-of-the-recipe-burglar |
| 16:25.26 | phinux | graphyx: in defense of lurkers, some of us don't like to open our mouths and prove we're stupid. |
| 16:25.55 | graphyx | phinux: But the channel in question (#security) doesn't have a running dialog most of the time. |
| 16:26.31 | graphyx | IT was only a passing curiosity. |
| 16:26.40 | graphyx | don' t worry bout it. |
| 16:26.51 | graphyx | The link I posted is a much more interesting topic. |
| 16:27.13 | graphyx | Some guy put a disclaimer on his edible paper for his cooking creations. |
| 16:27.21 | graphyx | If you eat this you agree to the following.... |
| 16:27.22 | graphyx | ;) |
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| 16:28.16 | redbeard1 | that's just... i don't know how to respond to that. |
| 16:28.30 | graphyx | hehe... |
| 16:28.35 | graphyx | pretty bad, eh? |
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| 16:36.06 | goozbach | so I bought this devel-kit at astricon last week |
| 16:36.15 | goozbach | just peeked under the cover... |
| 16:36.24 | goozbach | it's got an amd Geode processor |
| 16:36.29 | goozbach | ~500Mhz |
| 16:36.37 | goozbach | 512M ram |
| 16:36.47 | goozbach | 512M CF storage |
| 16:36.54 | goozbach | and a mini-pci slot!!! |
| 16:37.06 | goozbach | total price: $50 |
| 16:37.10 | goozbach | score!!! |
| 16:41.48 | mheath | I just got a nice little laptop with similar specs for $40 |
| 16:42.02 | maquis | lol |
| 16:42.02 | mheath | I don't understand why theydon't make laptops as rugged as this anymore :( |
| 16:42.19 | mheath | This thing is really heavy duty compared to my new laptop |
| 16:42.33 | macnewbold | people usually want _light_ laptops rather than heavy ones |
| 16:42.35 | maquis | goozbach: have you had any fan issues with your thinkpad? |
| 16:42.47 | graphyx | mheath: It is because they have started to make products so that the "masses" could afford them. |
| 16:43.11 | maquis | silly unwashed masses wanting a computer |
| 16:43.13 | graphyx | They make them cheap so that more people can afford them. |
| 16:43.22 | mheath | and a rough black plastic finish, so a few scratches wouldn't be noticed (unlike my new one, with it's silver colored plastic shell that scratchs and wears like crazy) |
| 16:43.22 | graphyx | And they make more money. |
| 16:43.36 | maquis | mheath: what kidn of machine? |
| 16:43.48 | mheath | maquis: Compaq Presario 1200. |
| 16:43.57 | maquis | nice |
| 16:44.15 | maquis | my thinkpad seems pretty rugged, except the fan |
| 16:44.42 | maquis | and given how much use that machine gets, i suppose even the fan is moderately rugged |
| 16:45.39 | findlay | maquis: how much was it? |
| 16:46.32 | mheath | bah, my dad is a moron |
| 16:46.53 | mheath | I got this from my brother, who had received it from my dad a few years back |
| 16:47.25 | mheath | My dad has some obsession with logitech mouseware drivers and config tool |
| 16:47.46 | mheath | He even installed them for the synaptics touchpad on this laptop |
| 16:47.53 | mheath | I was wondering why the mouse was behaving so oddly. |
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| 16:50.00 | maquis | findlay: a lot |
| 16:50.38 | goozbach | maquis: nope, you? |
| 16:51.00 | maquis | goozbach: got it replaced about a year ago... it looks like it might need to be replaced again |
| 16:51.11 | goozbach | heh |
| 16:51.11 | maquis | i think that might be where the sounds are coming from |
| 16:51.19 | goozbach | sucks to be you? |
| 16:51.20 | maquis | and i prefer that over the hard drive |
| 16:51.21 | goozbach | *shrug* |
| 16:51.28 | tensai | well, isn't that funny. I had some cron jobs that ran twice last night because of the daylight savings time change. |
| 16:51.29 | goozbach | miss faraday |
| 16:51.34 | maquis | i was just wondering if it was something that happens commonly with those machines |
| 16:51.51 | goozbach | tensai: good rule of thumb, don't do cron till 4 |
| 16:52.10 | goozbach | or at least 3am |
| 16:52.33 | goozbach | all of our weekly backups failed sunday morning as well |
| 16:52.45 | Jayce^ | or have them smart enough to detect a condition such as that |
| 16:53.04 | goozbach | good thing we're running an "enterprise" solution :) |
| 16:53.19 | mheath | anyone know if Windows XP still supports parallel port networking? |
| 16:53.25 | mheath | I know previous versions of Windows did |
| 16:53.28 | goozbach | all this money spent on backup software and it doesn't even know how to handle dailight savings time |
| 16:54.23 | levi | Daylight Savings Time is changing next year anyway. |
| 16:55.42 | mheath | Thank you for calling Backup Solutions, Inc. For those experiencing daylight savings problems, please follow these steps: at around 1:00 AM, power off the system. Wait approximately 180 days. Power on the computer. If you're still experiencing problems, please contact us. |
| 17:00.50 | mrpull | mheath: parallel port? WHY? |
| 17:01.25 | mrpull | anybody ever use rpath.com/rbuilder ? Looks too good to be true. |
| 17:01.39 | mheath | mrpull: need to make some changes to this old laptop |
| 17:01.57 | mrpull | dang. no nic? |
| 17:01.59 | mheath | it doesn't have ethernet or wireless, and I don't want to buy an ethernet card just to make some small changes |
| 17:03.17 | findlay | maquis: that's not encouraging |
| 17:07.23 | macnewbold | goozbach, tensai: some versions of cron (anacron I think is one) make sure not do run things twice on daylight savings days. But yeah, generally the 1am-3am window on sunday mornings is good to avoid. It makes for confusing log files too, cause you don't know which time they actually meant. |
| 17:07.31 | maquis | findlay: what's not encouraging? |
| 17:08.37 | Sargun | 295-3226 |
| 17:10.45 | Sargun | lol |
| 17:10.48 | Sargun | 925 area code |
| 17:10.53 | goozbach | idiot! |
| 17:10.59 | Sargun | thats a retarded merchant services representative |
| 17:11.21 | goozbach | oh so only somewhat idiot |
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| 17:11.26 | goozbach | elg!!! |
| 17:11.54 | goozbach | so does anyone else wonder if sjansen got attacked by little green men? |
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| 17:19.57 | levi | Gah, the power went out for 2 hours at work over the weekend. |
| 17:20.28 | Sargun | ouch |
| 17:22.33 | elg | goozbach!! |
| 17:22.45 | goozbach | delay!!!! |
| 17:23.19 | Sargun | elg!!! |
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| 17:23.39 | Sargun | o.O |
| 17:23.42 | elg | it's a good thing I'm not a real pilot yet. I flew from bear lake to an airport about an hour to the nw |
| 17:23.46 | elg | or so I thought |
| 17:23.55 | elg | I ended up 60 miles away from where I thought I was |
| 17:24.00 | elg | landing in blackfoot idaho |
| 17:24.02 | maquis | elg: what'd you break on the way? |
| 17:24.03 | levi | In a sim, I hope. |
| 17:24.06 | elg | yes |
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| 17:24.08 | maquis | ouch |
| 17:24.08 | Sargun | lol |
| 17:24.10 | Sargun | nice. |
| 17:24.20 | levi | I've got a friend who's a glider pilot. He's got lots of fun stories. |
| 17:24.20 | Sargun | How'd you pull that off? |
| 17:24.20 | elg | against a headwind even |
| 17:24.21 | elg | :) |
| 17:24.36 | elg | must have gone down the wrong canyon |
| 17:24.43 | elg | and not estimated time correctly |
| 17:24.49 | Sargun | don't you have GPS? |
| 17:24.57 | findlay | maquis: how much you paid is not fun to think about |
| 17:25.01 | elg | yesno |
| 17:25.08 | Sargun | ? |
| 17:25.15 | maquis | findlay: yeah |
| 17:25.21 | elg | i can use gps for the autopilot (which i didn't use), and I can look up the lat/long |
| 17:25.27 | elg | which is how I figured out where I really was at the end |
| 17:25.44 | elg | my cues were that there were two airports in the area and that the runway was not pointing the right directoin |
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| 17:26.10 | Sargun | what sim were you at? |
| 17:26.20 | elg | in flightgear |
| 17:26.34 | calvarez | maquis, what was that thing of picking on me? |
| 17:26.44 | levi | I'll bet flightgear would run really well on my desktop at work. |
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| 17:28.11 | goozbach | flightgear++ |
| 17:28.18 | goozbach | xplane much more so |
| 17:28.39 | maquis | calvarez: i was picking on people, and threatening to do some random kicking |
| 17:28.40 | levi | Poor elg, having to live with constant anticipation of a new uber-box that never quite manages to arrive... |
| 17:28.47 | maquis | and you came in right in the middle of that |
| 17:28.58 | levi | elg: You're getting one of the previous generation MacBooks, too, aren't you? |
| 17:29.08 | elg | it's current generation macbook |
| 17:29.13 | elg | the new generation is just macbook pro |
| 17:29.16 | calvarez | oh yea? |
| 17:29.19 | levi | Ah, right. |
| 17:29.32 | calvarez | kicking is puny against me |
| 17:29.54 | calvarez | there are just too many ways to counterattack without requiring me to be connected |
| 17:30.00 | levi | Well, I wonder how long until the macbooks are moved to the new chips. Maybe they'll hang back for a while for differentiation. |
| 17:30.42 | maquis | calvarez: would most of those involve attacking the host that i'm connected through? |
| 17:31.11 | elg | ~kick maquis |
| 17:31.13 | ibot | bugger off, elg! |
| 17:31.13 | calvarez | hmm, it may involve many things... |
| 17:31.20 | calvarez | ~kick ibot |
| 17:31.21 | ibot | bugger off, calvarez! |
| 17:31.22 | maquis | calvarez: like? |
| 17:31.29 | calvarez | maquis, exactly |
| 17:31.50 | maquis | calvarez: i'm just wondering what you're thinking of |
| 17:32.01 | maquis | i'm kinda curious as to whether i actually care about any of them |
| 17:32.05 | levi | maquis: He's just trying to intimidate you. In truth, he's powerless! ;) |
| 17:32.14 | maquis | levi: that's what i'm thinking too |
| 17:32.24 | calvarez | well, keep thinking |
| 17:32.26 | calvarez | :) |
| 17:32.56 | calvarez | and no, I don't intimidate. That is for those who are really powerless |
| 17:33.27 | maquis | "on every corner there's a giant metal santa clause, who watches over us with glowing red eyes" |
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| 17:35.11 | goozbach | rsync'ing an entire FC mirror takes a bit of time... |
| 17:35.13 | goozbach | wow |
| 17:35.40 | calvarez | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy <= very interesting movement |
| 17:35.53 | calvarez | it doesn't exist in the US |
| 17:37.38 | levi | What's interesting about it? |
| 17:38.18 | calvarez | because it is a great balance that can't exist in the US |
| 17:38.24 | mrpull | calvarez: sounds a lot like utah democrats |
| 17:38.36 | levi | What's great about it, and why can't it exist here? |
| 17:39.08 | mrpull | socially conservative / fiscally liberal |
| 17:39.13 | calvarez | levi, it can't really grasp a good hold in the us because it doesn't mix well with the Puritan roots of Republicans and the liberal views of Democrats |
| 17:39.19 | calvarez | pretty much |
| 17:40.08 | mrpull | calvarez: I guess it sounds like a lot of utah republicans too |
| 17:40.08 | calvarez | I think it has solutions to problems that are much better and ethical than the solutions proposed by most Republicans and Democrats in the US |
| 17:40.31 | calvarez | mrpull, there is still too much of the Puritan approach in Utah for it to work |
| 17:40.47 | maquis | *curses* |
| 17:41.19 | levi | I don't like the idea of a political party that identifies with a specific religion. |
| 17:41.21 | calvarez | Christian Democrats support free market, but have no problem steering things up a bit when things get out of control (especially in laissez-faire capitalism) |
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| 17:41.49 | calvarez | levi, I usually don't, but I think the idea of separating religion and politics is naive at best |
| 17:42.15 | calvarez | both of them deal too much with morals and principles |
| 17:42.26 | levi | Democracy is pretty naive, too. |
| 17:42.43 | calvarez | and you'll find the spectrum to be too wide and loosely defined to try to separate religion and politics |
| 17:42.55 | calvarez | Socrates would agree with you |
| 17:43.10 | mheath | I think the idea of religion is pretty naive, too. |
| 17:43.18 | jakea | aaahhhhh! Politics! |
| 17:43.28 | ^Migs^ | http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/w4m/227687084.html |
| 17:43.31 | calvarez | it is, from a point of view |
| 17:43.44 | calvarez | one that *I* think is naive though |
| 17:44.06 | mheath | I hated Bill Clinton |
| 17:44.08 | calvarez | mmmkay |
| 17:44.14 | jakea | mission accomplished! |
| 17:44.23 | mheath | He was a good president, but had no respect for the armed forces. |
| 17:44.25 | ^Migs^ | mheath != the channel |
| 17:44.36 | jakea | and again! |
| 17:44.39 | mheath | ^Migs^: ok? |
| 17:44.40 | jakea | ;) |
| 17:44.41 | mheath | O.o |
| 17:45.14 | JoshH | mheath: does bush? |
| 17:45.17 | levi | As opposed to the current administration, who claims to respect the armed forces but doesn't really act like it? |
| 17:45.24 | mheath | JoshH: No. |
| 17:45.37 | mheath | JoshH: he just gives more funding to them so he can play his little war-on-terror games. |
| 17:46.08 | mheath | levi: no. As opposed to, let's say, Reagan. |
| 17:46.17 | calvarez | ~blamebush giving funding to little war-on-terror games |
| 17:46.18 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that giving funding to little war-on-terror games. |
| 17:46.37 | calvarez | ~blamebush Reagan and Billy Clintster |
| 17:46.39 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that Reagan and Billy Clintster. |
| 17:46.57 | calvarez | meh, who changed that command |
| 17:46.59 | ^Migs^ | I agree with ibot |
| 17:47.23 | ^Migs^ | ~blamebush Migs is so freakin awesome |
| 17:47.25 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that Migs is so freakin awesome. |
| 17:47.29 | mheath | We haven't had a really good president SINCE Reagan. |
| 17:47.43 | calvarez | ~blamebush calvarez has ingrown toenails |
| 17:47.44 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that calvarez has ingrown toenails. |
| 17:47.44 | mheath | And we haven't had a monumental president since Kennedy. |
| 17:47.50 | bonez39 | anyone have experience with submitting a bug report to debian.org? how long does it take to get a response back from them? |
| 17:47.54 | calvarez | ibot turned democrat |
| 17:47.56 | ^Migs^ | Kennedy has a monument? |
| 17:48.06 | ^Migs^ | oh wait, he does |
| 17:48.10 | mheath | Yes, stupid question :P |
| 17:48.18 | calvarez | yea, it's an airport |
| 17:48.20 | mheath | Nice try, ^Migs^. Better luck next time. |
| 17:48.23 | calvarez | hahaha |
| 17:48.39 | ^Migs^ | he has a memorial plaza, too |
| 17:48.46 | calvarez | ~blamebush ^Migs^ doesn't know his ABCs |
| 17:48.48 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that ^Migs^ doesn't know his ABCs. |
| 17:49.11 | mheath | ~blamebush we have this stupid ~blamebush command |
| 17:49.13 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that we have this stupid ~blamebush command. |
| 17:49.37 | mheath | ~lart doctor appointments |
| 17:50.18 | levi | Well, unless the fantasies of some wild conspiracy theorists come true, the ~blamebush command is going to be misnamed when presidential elections roll around again. |
| 17:50.32 | calvarez | mheath, just FYI, the command is supposed to be sarcastic |
| 17:50.54 | mheath | I think Bush would LOVE to stay as president. And wouldn't find anyhting very reprehensible about forcing his way into that position |
| 17:51.05 | mheath | But, thank god, theres lots of other people who would stop him from doing so. |
| 17:51.18 | mheath | calvarez: I know. I'm not that dimwitted. |
| 17:51.20 | ^Migs^ | it's good we have people like mheath who know Bush's innermost thoughts |
| 17:51.56 | ^Migs^ | I think mheath would LOVE to drown some puppies. Thank God there's people out there who would stop him from doing so. |
| 17:52.10 | mheath | ^Migs^: Bush is a moron who thinks he's god's gift to politics and saving the world. It's Karl Rove and etc.'s thoughts I'm more concerned about. |
| 17:52.12 | calvarez | kittens are better for that |
| 17:52.31 | calvarez | their spasm are more amusing |
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| 17:52.44 | ^Migs^ | IAW calvarez |
| 17:53.04 | mheath | Please don't tell me your one of those hillbilly people who drive around with a rust-covered truck, a "JESUS SAVES" bumper sticker, and still devoutly believes that Bush is the best most wholesome president on the earth. |
| 17:53.12 | mheath | Yes, I |
| 17:53.18 | mheath | yes, I'm stereotyping |
| 17:53.22 | mheath | No, I don't care. |
| 17:53.29 | ^Migs^ | my bumper sticker says "Jesus Saves....AND TAKES HALF DAMAGE!" |
| 17:53.31 | calvarez | no, you're monotyping |
| 17:53.46 | calvarez | stereotyping is still too advanced for you |
| 17:54.05 | calvarez | maybe in the future you can dolbytype |
| 17:54.20 | mheath | dolby5.1type |
| 17:54.48 | mheath | "I don't stereotype. I dolby5.1type." Haha, I like it |
| 17:54.53 | mheath | OK, I'm really leaving now. |
| 17:54.55 | mheath | ~lart everyone |
| 17:55.36 | Sargun | bye |
| 17:58.09 | calvarez | hmm, this channel is a little dead |
| 17:58.17 | calvarez | I think it's time to start dissing RMS |
| 18:00.02 | calvarez | JA: How do you react to the opinion that non-free software is justified as a means for raising dollars that can then be put into the development of completely new software, money that otherwise may not have been available, and thus creating software that may have never been developed? |
| 18:00.02 | calvarez | Richard Stallman: This is no justification at all. A non-free program systematically denies the users the freedom to cooperate; it is the basis of an antisocial scheme to dominate people. The program is available lawfully only to those who will surrender their freedom. That's not a contribution to society, it's a social problem. It is better to develop no software than to develop non-free software. |
| 18:00.03 | calvarez | So if you find yourself in that situation, please don't follow that path. Please don't write the non-free program--please do something else instead. We can wait till someone else has the chance to develop a free program to do the same job. |
| 18:00.06 | calvarez | JA: What about the programmers... |
| 18:00.08 | calvarez | Richard Stallman: What about them? The programmers writing non-free software? They are doing something antisocial. They should get some other job. |
| 18:00.15 | calvarez | http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484 |
| 18:00.16 | levi | RMS went astray when he stopped coding emacs and gcc and started evangelizing full-time. |
| 18:01.21 | calvarez | so, if I write nonfree software, I'm an antisocial |
| 18:01.37 | calvarez | as opposed to his "moral" software development |
| 18:02.17 | calvarez | it's people like RMS who scare people away from free software |
| 18:02.18 | levi | He also wanted Lisp to be a first-class citizen in GNU systems. That ought to be enough to earn your ire in itself! |
| 18:02.42 | calvarez | haha, mrpull went hiding |
| 18:05.37 | calvarez | "Free software doesn't always imitate, but often it does. There's a good reason for this: freedom is the main goal, and innovation is secondary." |
| 18:05.42 | calvarez | hmm, mmmmkay |
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| 18:21.04 | findlay | why does python never give you file and line information on errors like perl does? |
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| 18:21.25 | maquis | ~miss perl |
| 18:21.34 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of perl. |
| 18:22.09 | findlay | oh, I see, I guess it does |
| 18:22.12 | findlay | nevermind |
| 18:22.19 | findlay | duh |
| 18:22.29 | maquis | ~duh findlay |
| 18:22.40 | findlay | ~hud maquis |
| 18:23.32 | mrpull | http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/30/sunitas-usb-voip-mouse-phone-enough-already/ |
| 18:23.46 | findlay | nice url |
| 18:23.56 | mrpull | that reminds me of the stories of from when I worked tech support |
| 18:24.09 | mrpull | people would think the mouse was a microphone or pedal |
| 18:24.18 | mrpull | this would only further confuse them |
| 18:24.28 | mrpull | hey ma! your pedal is ringin' |
| 18:24.30 | maquis | lol |
| 18:25.02 | maquis | well, it does look something like the sewing-machine foot-pedals |
| 18:25.30 | mrpull | i kid you not... i had a lady refer to her mouse as a pedal to me |
| 18:25.42 | findlay | so it does give me file and line info, but not the file and line where the actual error occurs |
| 18:25.55 | findlay | and it gives me this useless traceback through python libs |
| 18:26.02 | findlay | which just confuses things |
| 18:26.19 | findlay | because it makes it look like they're part of the problem |
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| 18:26.40 | mrpull | findlay: are you above using and IDE? komodo is really nice. |
| 18:26.45 | mrpull | s/and/an/ |
| 18:26.58 | findlay | komodo is not FLOSS |
| 18:27.14 | mrpull | true. but it is cheap and a nice tool. |
| 18:28.25 | findlay | I think python is trying to be too clever with its error reporting |
| 18:33.19 | macnewbold | why isn't komodo floss? |
| 18:33.56 | macnewbold | I thought it was free as in root beer, and figured it was also open source under one of the normal licenses |
| 18:34.05 | graphyx | Has anyone had their rent raised while in a housing contact prior to the expiration of the contract? |
| 18:34.23 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i had mine lower once |
| 18:34.51 | findlay | graphyx: sounds like you need to read over the terms of the contract |
| 18:35.42 | mrpull | Komodo isn't even a little Free |
| 18:35.52 | mrpull | but it is still a nice package |
| 18:36.25 | mrpull | it isn't very expensive |
| 18:36.42 | findlay | heh, you can't tempt me |
| 18:37.04 | mrpull | there are other ide's that come close... SPE is nice |
| 18:37.21 | mrpull | and there are plugins for eclipse (if that is Free enough) |
| 18:38.32 | findlay | IDEs for me are like desktops. My most preferred is the most customizable |
| 18:40.03 | ^Migs^ | Fourteen towns in the Irkutsk region of Siberia have declared a state of emergency, amid a dramatic upsurge in mass poisonings caused by fake vodka. Almost 900 people in the region are in hospital with liver failure, apparently after drinking industrial solvent. |
| 19:06.53 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54595 |
| 19:11.07 | ^Migs^ | wtf? http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5598920&nav=menu33_3_6 |
| 19:11.13 | ^Migs^ | "Police say a Marshall County teen raped his mother to get revenge on his brother." |
| 19:12.20 | graphyx | The onion was pretty funny. |
| 19:13.21 | graphyx | I still think this is one of the better ones.. |
| 19:13.22 | graphyx | http://satirewire.com/news/march02/women.shtml |
| 19:15.06 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:18.09 | mrpull | wait... is that wsfa link not satire? |
| 19:18.12 | mrpull | whoa |
| 19:18.41 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 19:18.51 | ^Migs^ | just a story about some twisted Southern hicks |
| 19:20.14 | graphyx | I thought the second link was about the raping. |
| 19:20.23 | graphyx | which I didn't care to read about much |
| 19:21.21 | graphyx | no.. the second link wasn't satire unfortunately.. |
| 19:21.31 | graphyx | even if it was satire it would be very poor taste. |
| 19:27.13 | Sargun | Saw was a crazy movie |
| 19:27.21 | Sargun | Is saw II just as good? |
| 19:27.25 | Sargun | Anyone seen Saw I? |
| 19:27.45 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 19:27.48 | ^Migs^ | great movies |
| 19:27.55 | ^Migs^ | I personally like Saw 1 best |
| 19:28.09 | ^Migs^ | Saw 2 has a slightly different style, but it's still awesome |
| 19:28.26 | graphyx | What is the plot of the "Saw" movies? |
| 19:28.42 | ^Migs^ | it's about a killer who doesn't actually kill anybody, but forces others to do it |
| 19:28.57 | ^Migs^ | and Saw 1 has a great story |
| 19:28.58 | Sargun | graphyx, the First one is two guys who are forced to kill each other |
| 19:29.07 | Sargun | ^Migs^, the end is freaking crazy. |
| 19:29.11 | ^Migs^ | haha, I know |
| 19:29.17 | ^Migs^ | one of the best endings in any horror movie ever |
| 19:29.21 | Sargun | That was the most unexpected endings ever. |
| 19:29.31 | ^Migs^ | okay, let's not give it away |
| 19:29.38 | ^Migs^ | I hate when movies advertise that they have A SURPRISE TWIST |
| 19:29.41 | Sargun | lol |
| 19:29.51 | ^Migs^ | if you know there's going to be a twist, it's no longer a twist |
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| 19:33.35 | findlay | ~twist |
| 19:33.36 | ibot | Embedded Python text processor. URL: http://pyrite.linuxbox.com/twist/twist.html |
| 19:36.51 | elg | "We've been looking for senior engineers to work on SourceForge.net for a while now, and it's been a lot more difficult than it was a few years ago. " |
| 19:37.05 | elg | " Has the tech market improved so much that working on a prominent website is no longer enough to attract the best talent? " |
| 19:37.18 | mrpull | elg: how is the pay? |
| 19:37.22 | mrpull | free? |
| 19:37.25 | elg | or maybe no best talent in his right mind would work for sf.net? |
| 19:37.51 | elg | after seeing just the download site and their unwillingness to fix it, I know it would take buying me a plane and a good salary to get me there. :) |
| 19:38.29 | elg | hm. leopard will include RoR |
| 19:38.53 | ^Migs^ | I don't think sourceforge is non-profit |
| 19:39.03 | ^Migs^ | I can't see how they would be, anyway |
| 19:39.08 | levi | I'm not sure that's such a great idea, but it could work well if they keep it updated I guess. |
| 19:40.34 | harleypig | I'm taking the plunge ... aptitude dist-upgrade to edgy ... |
| 19:41.36 | levi | harleypig: Good luck. :) |
| 19:41.57 | levi | I didn't have any trouble, but apparently some people did. |
| 19:42.08 | Jayce^ | harleypig, just run it twice :) |
| 19:42.36 | harleypig | Yeah ... I didn't see any troubles with the amd64 dual core platform ... but I've got to wonder if that's cause there weren't any problems or because no one's dared yet. |
| 19:42.47 | harleypig | Jayce^: Yeah, I saw that. |
| 19:43.05 | harleypig | 1600 files to update |
| 19:43.09 | Jayce^ | ~paint harleypig |
| 19:43.11 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on harleypig |
| 19:43.46 | harleypig | It took all weekend to download the files, partially cause I was playing Dark Messiah when I wasn't shooting Jayce^ or passed out from exhaustion |
| 19:44.14 | Jayce^ | wait wait... $who shot $who? :-p |
| 19:44.26 | Jayce^ | how's that hand? |
| 19:44.28 | harleypig | Bonus shots don't count :P |
| 19:44.35 | harleypig | That wasn't you. |
| 19:44.41 | Jayce^ | the hand was |
| 19:44.44 | harleypig | Oh. |
| 19:44.54 | harleypig | I thought it was the other guy behind the tree |
| 19:45.05 | Sargun | Jayce^, thats suicide. |
| 19:45.11 | Jayce^ | no, he was still coming around the side.. |
| 19:45.44 | harleypig | ? I got shot in the hand when I was trying to hs that rabbit behind the other bunker. |
| 19:47.01 | harleypig | I just realized why I was having a hard time with that ... I was trying to not think about just shooting through the wood |
| 19:47.07 | Jayce^ | remember, I was in the front of the line , 2 trees in front, you were watching a guy to your right.. |
| 19:47.23 | harleypig | since it wouldn't work, but my training is still there, just inactive. |
| 19:47.26 | harleypig | Like me. |
| 19:47.36 | Jayce^ | harleypig, inactive, inert... all the same |
| 19:47.38 | Sargun | you guys all paintball? |
| 19:47.44 | harleypig | yeah, that's who I thought got me. |
| 19:47.47 | Jayce^ | harleypig went for his first time.. :) |
| 19:48.04 | harleypig | I'm not a paintball virgin no more. |
| 19:48.12 | Sargun | o.O? |
| 19:49.34 | harleypig | tweak your brainpan did I Sargun ? |
| 19:49.37 | harleypig | :> |
| 19:50.09 | graphyx | it's not hard. |
| 19:51.24 | elg | harleypig: My vanilla kernel stopped working on upgrade to edgy. no idea why |
| 19:51.37 | elg | couldn't find root. the stock kernel worked though |
| 19:51.42 | harleypig | elg: AH! Now you tell me! |
| 19:51.49 | harleypig | :] |
| 19:51.53 | elg | and I had issues with nvidia |
| 19:52.04 | harleypig | I've been having issues with nvidia from day one. |
| 19:52.10 | elg | finally had to purge nvidia-glx and linux-restricted, etc. |
| 19:52.11 | elg | then run nvidia's installer |
| 19:52.15 | harleypig | Very annoying. I wish they'd just open up their drivers. |
| 19:52.31 | elg | but the problems are probably due to having run nvidia's installer previously to begin with. |
| 19:52.32 | harleypig | I *really* want to get XGL working. |
| 19:52.50 | elg | harleypig: I have an athlon 64 (not dual), but I run 32-bit |
| 19:52.57 | levi | I didn't have any trouble with nvidia stuff after my upgrade. |
| 19:52.59 | elg | vontrapp said he was going to try 64 bit though |
| 19:53.09 | elg | you probably had ubuntu's nvidia already |
| 19:53.16 | elg | not a mess like I had |
| 19:53.23 | levi | But I used an Ubuntu package for nvidia drivers, right. |
| 19:54.36 | harleypig | I've tried the ubuntu packages, the debian base packages, nvidias installer, even tried manually compiling straight from nvidias site ... still get black screen and close of X and GL won't work at all. |
| 19:56.28 | Jayce^ | harleypig, works for me :) |
| 19:56.46 | levi | harleypig: That's what you get for buying a mutant freak 'laptop'. :) |
| 19:56.50 | harleypig | On your MacOSX? |
| 19:56.55 | harleypig | :> |
| 19:56.59 | Jayce^ | harleypig, on my athlon64 |
| 19:57.12 | Jayce^ | and athlon 32 |
| 19:57.22 | harleypig | athlon64x2? |
| 19:57.27 | Jayce^ | no, x1 |
| 19:57.36 | elg | you think the problem is the x2? |
| 19:57.37 | harleypig | not the same thing |
| 19:57.43 | Jayce^ | remember, I haven't bought a new one in a while :) |
| 19:57.52 | Jayce^ | elg, I think it's more likely the nvidia2go |
| 19:58.02 | mrpull | ahhh... the blind transfer from reception |
| 19:58.05 | elg | hm, not familiar with that but it sounds spooky |
| 19:58.12 | Jayce^ | versions of those have always been different |
| 19:58.14 | harleypig | Yeah ... a number of different forums have pointed out that nvidia has a problem with the x2 but people have been able to get workarounds going |
| 19:58.14 | elg | i finally decided on my costume |
| 19:58.18 | Jayce^ | elg, laptop version of the card |
| 19:58.21 | harleypig | but the workarounds aren't working for me. |
| 19:58.36 | Jayce^ | so they're just 'arounds' ? |
| 19:58.45 | Jayce^ | or just a lot of work |
| 19:58.57 | harleypig | lot of work, no around. |
| 19:59.17 | Jayce^ | harleypig, don't worry, you have enough round to share with them :) |
| 20:00.14 | harleypig | rounds a shape isn't it? |
| 20:00.48 | goozbach | no one was accusing you of not being a shape |
| 20:01.23 | Jayce^ | just that you were outside of it, instead of in it |
| 20:01.23 | elg | ~lart goozbach |
| 20:02.10 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:02.40 | harleypig | I wish aptitude had a % bar |
| 20:03.03 | levi | elg: What's your costume? |
| 20:03.10 | elg | dent |
| 20:03.22 | levi | As in Arthur Dent? |
| 20:03.35 | Sargun | 42! |
| 20:05.58 | goozbach | so here goes my upgrade from FC4->FC6 |
| 20:06.25 | Sargun | goozbach, lol, good luck. |
| 20:07.01 | Jayce^ | ~cross goozbach |
| 20:08.26 | goozbach | ~cross me |
| 20:08.28 | goozbach | buhaha |
| 20:08.33 | goozbach | so far so good |
| 20:08.39 | goozbach | buhahahhahahahahaha |
| 20:08.52 | Sargun | ? |
| 20:12.13 | elg | levi: yup. bathrobe, white T, pajama pants, slippers, towel |
| 20:13.43 | levi | elg: Excellent. :) |
| 20:13.51 | levi | elg: Perhaps a fish in your ear? ;) |
| 20:14.06 | elg | hmm. that could be fun |
| 20:14.09 | harleypig | AHHH!! Errors were encountered while processing!!! |
| 20:14.33 | elg | harleypig: bad karma? |
| 20:14.40 | harleypig | probably |
| 20:14.59 | emcnabb | we have a partner technical account manager position open here at Red Hat. Anyone interested? You could be my cubemate! :-) |
| 20:15.04 | harleypig | better'n a bad dogma |
| 20:15.26 | harleypig | Trying again ... |
| 20:15.32 | harleypig | hey, only 1100 files this time. |
| 20:19.52 | levi | If I had any artistic talent, I'd totally want one of these: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001467.php |
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| 20:21.54 | elg | coo |
| 20:22.00 | elg | my brother in law would love one of those I bet |
| 20:23.52 | levi | Pretty darned expensive, though. |
| 20:23.59 | graphyx | anyone know spig? |
| 20:24.14 | ^Migs^ | http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/housetruck1_sm.jpg |
| 20:24.14 | levi | Probably worth it if you're a graphic arts professional, though. |
| 20:24.31 | levi | ^Migs^: Awesome. :) |
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| 20:25.05 | graphyx | One problem would be shingles blowing off of the roof if driving at high speeds. |
| 20:25.10 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 20:25.16 | graphyx | seriously... |
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| 20:25.41 | levi | It doesn't look like something you'd drive at high speeds, but yeah, that could be a problem. |
| 20:26.37 | goozbach | 60 minutes to an upgrade... |
| 20:26.39 | goozbach | geez |
| 20:26.57 | levi | Some of the interior shots of those are really sweet. |
| 20:27.38 | vontrapp | argh! freekin' ubuntu version of firefofx!!!! |
| 20:27.58 | vontrapp | why why why why whyyyyy do they disable the middle click on page to load clipboard feature!!! |
| 20:28.22 | levi | Possibly because it's really annoying when you accidentlly middle-click. |
| 20:28.27 | vontrapp | harleypig: yeah, i'm running ubuntu64 now |
| 20:28.38 | vontrapp | levi: who does that? |
| 20:28.58 | levi | vontrapp: I do, on occasion. |
| 20:29.02 | vontrapp | and if you do, you just push <- |
| 20:29.15 | vontrapp | harleypig: what kind of nvidia issues? |
| 20:29.50 | vontrapp | i noticed when i installed ubuntu with the nvidia-glx package for the nvidia driver, i had pointer flicker issues (animated cursors) |
| 20:29.51 | levi | It's still annoying, and violates the principles of least surprise. People who know about it and want it can turn it back on, can't they? |
| 20:30.17 | vontrapp | it was really hard for me to find how, and now i don't remmember, so i have to find out all over again |
| 20:30.39 | vontrapp | also, my nvidia now seems to ignore my DisplaySize setting |
| 20:30.52 | vontrapp | i am unable to shrink my dpi :( |
| 20:31.41 | vontrapp | i don't _want_ my fonts to look the same as they would on a 800x600 |
| 20:31.52 | harleypig | vontrapp: I get a black screen upon either exiting X or switching terminals (via Ctrl-Alt-F#). And opengl just isn't working right. glgears runs, bt slowly and cedega doesn't even start up a game. |
| 20:33.09 | vontrapp | harleypig: what laptop do you have? |
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| 20:34.24 | Cleetus | -lart ibot |
| 20:34.37 | Cleetus | -lart spig |
| 20:34.38 | emcnabb | ~whine vontrapp |
| 20:35.16 | ibot | ACTION whines about vontrapp's whining |
| 20:35.18 | harleypig | AMD64x2 7800 GTX Go no name |
| 20:35.18 | vontrapp | ~cheese emcnabb |
| 20:36.01 | graphyx | Cleetus: Brac's AWOL |
| 20:36.01 | graphyx | ~lart brac |
| 20:36.02 | Cleetus | d'oh |
| 20:36.07 | Cleetus | ~lart spig |
| 20:36.07 | Cleetus | spigs...you there? |
| 20:36.17 | spig | yeah |
| 20:36.29 | spig | why mojo is missing however.. |
| 20:36.29 | Cleetus | how's it going? |
| 20:36.31 | Cleetus | hehe |
| 20:36.34 | spig | good |
| 20:36.38 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap spig |
| 20:36.40 | ibot | ACTION beats spig upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:36.42 | spig | ouch |
| 20:36.56 | Cleetus | you still with sento? |
| 20:36.59 | spig | yeah |
| 20:37.21 | Cleetus | graphyx was telling me things have changed since then |
| 20:37.34 | spig | yes.. |
| 20:38.39 | Cleetus | are you getting my replies? |
| 20:38.53 | spig | i assume you mean me? no.. |
| 20:39.04 | Cleetus | ahh...I replied to your IM...but to no avail |
| 20:39.21 | Cleetus | if you have another handle, send it to me in the IM...I'm getting yours |
| 20:40.26 | Cleetus | I'm getting your messages* |
| 20:41.02 | graphyx | Cleetus: You have to register and sign in to be able to send messages. |
| 20:41.05 | graphyx | pms |
| 20:41.07 | graphyx | PMs |
| 20:41.13 | Cleetus | gotcha |
| 20:41.16 | Cleetus | that's why |
| 20:41.19 | graphyx | indeed. |
| 20:41.21 | Cleetus | I'm getting your PM's spig |
| 20:41.26 | Cleetus | just can't reply right now |
| 20:41.31 | graphyx | IT was set up to limit pm spam by Lusers |
| 21:04.58 | Tene | graphyx: yu can also tell the server to allow you to recieve messages from unregistered nicks |
| 21:05.29 | graphyx | That is true. |
| 21:05.44 | goozbach | then you invite spam |
| 21:05.45 | graphyx | But I was just educating cleetus to it. |
| 21:30.34 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:32.11 | mheath | gah, first time in my life I've ever really felt like I was on the brink of passing out |
| 21:32.34 | mheath | Doctor ordered some blood tests. A rather thorough set of them, apparently. Drew 6 vials worth of blood from me. |
| 21:32.44 | Tene | fun! |
| 21:33.04 | mheath | My blood pressure dropped WAY down, I think. |
| 21:33.32 | mheath | For the first 5, the blood readily filled the vials, without needing any plunger action |
| 21:33.39 | mheath | The last one, it was barely dripping in at all |
| 21:33.42 | Tene | ack |
| 21:34.16 | mheath | I've had up to two vials of the stuff drawn before, without ANY problems |
| 21:34.44 | mheath | USMC basic, they draw two: one for testing, the other to put in storage for DNA testing purposes (for when the find a smear of me on the wall of some house in Bahgdad) |
| 21:35.06 | mheath | OK, time to go play with my new laptop toys :) |
| 21:41.05 | emcnabb | mheath: I thought you were going to the U of U? |
| 21:41.24 | goozbach | upgrade a sucess! |
| 21:41.27 | goozbach | yay! |
| 21:46.01 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a programming language thats simple to learn, and easy to make GUIs with? |
| 21:46.15 | mheath | ~lart the first person to jokingly say Visual Basic |
| 21:46.25 | elg | mheath: making guis isn't easy |
| 21:47.36 | emcnabb | bash + xdialog? |
| 21:47.47 | Tene | perl+toolkit of your choice |
| 21:47.50 | Tene | tcl/tk |
| 21:48.02 | emcnabb | Visual Basic? |
| 21:48.43 | mheath | elg: Well, I'm just frustrated with Java. |
| 21:48.44 | elg | qtruby isn't bad, as gui programming goes |
| 21:48.48 | mheath | Gridbag layout et al |
| 21:49.10 | elg | fox toolkit is pretty ok for handcoding (not using a designer) |
| 21:49.15 | mheath | I think it might end up being Java, though..Hmm. |
| 21:49.18 | elg | c++, ruby, python... |
| 21:49.39 | maquis | mheath: perhaps something within mono? i've heard mono's pretty simple to use for GUIs |
| 21:49.41 | elg | looks like win32 though |
| 21:49.46 | emcnabb | mheath: what are you working on? |
| 21:50.10 | mheath | emcnabb: An inventory management and paperwork management system for USNSCC |
| 21:50.33 | emcnabb | cool |
| 21:51.14 | mheath | Which has conceptually grown from a simple spreadsheet to a farily large application |
| 21:51.31 | mheath | Hmm, be back in a bit. |
| 21:51.38 | maquis | mheath: why the feature-creep? |
| 21:52.37 | mrpull | mheath: Visual C# |
| 21:53.05 | mrpull | is that linux port of Delphi still around? |
| 21:53.09 | mrpull | VCL was cool |
| 21:53.38 | emcnabb | www.usnscc.org/ crashes my browser... darn you cadets |
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| 21:58.55 | mrpull | i just got an an HTML email from Microsoft. I swear on my life that each letter is an inch and a half tall. |
| 21:59.09 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 21:59.10 | mrpull | five lines of text fit in the window |
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| 22:18.34 | mheath | emcnabb: www.usnscc.org isn't for the group |
| 22:18.41 | mheath | thats one badly-made website for one local group |
| 22:18.46 | mheath | www.seacadets.org |
| 22:23.12 | emcnabb | When I hear "Sea Cadets" I think of the army protecting Sealand |
| 22:24.52 | tristanbob | Yes! Microsoft Offers Office Accounting Express 2007 for Free |
| 22:25.26 | tristanbob | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4755 |
| 22:30.25 | ^Migs^ | wow, Microsoft is going CRAZY |
| 22:35.58 | epp | nope.. totally normal. |
| 22:36.00 | epp | lol |
| 22:36.54 | Tene | is there a way to search google for words with a certain number of letters? |
| 22:38.11 | ^Migs^ | CRAZY I say!!!!! |
| 22:38.33 | ^Migs^ | completely topsy-turvy!!!!! |
| 22:39.25 | epp | There trying to lure people in. Showing that they can give good software like mac for free too. |
| 22:42.55 | findlay | Mr. Google: I want words that only have 12 letters |
| 22:43.48 | findlay | don't know if that will actually work or not |
| 22:44.23 | ^Migs^ | omg it works! |
| 22:53.08 | tristanbob | Q. Can I install Office Accounting Express 2007 on multiple computers by using the same license? You can install one copy of Office Accounting Express 2007 on your main computer and another on your laptop computer for your exclusive but non concurrent use. On the same computer, you can install or reinstall as many times as you like. |
| 22:53.33 | tristanbob | thanks microsoft! now that is what I call a "free" license! |
| 22:54.03 | tristanbob | That is so dumb - it is a free download with NO registration - yet you can only install in on 2 computers |
| 22:54.21 | tristanbob | if you want to install it on 3, then what? download it again? |
| 22:54.57 | epp | Aha... I'm sneaky... I'm going to install it on ALL my computers. |
| 22:55.22 | epp | oh wait... I only have 2. |
| 22:57.14 | tristanbob | interesting - actually if comes with a pre-entered license key |
| 22:57.22 | tristanbob | and I think it is going to register the software |
| 22:58.06 | epp | sneaky bastards. |
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| 22:59.20 | tristanbob | ok - it asked for personal information and I put in all bogus stuff - so far so good |
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| 23:03.43 | mrpull | when did slashdot start putting ads in their RSS feeds? |
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| 23:15.03 | harleypig | W00T! Down to 550 packages to install |
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| 23:26.15 | mrpull | i need one of those super cubs that dave smith blogged about |
| 23:28.07 | findlay | that would be fun |
| 23:28.33 | findlay | have a cam on the craft with a video feed on the remote |
| 23:28.50 | findlay | now, that would be sweet |
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| 23:50.58 | amcnabb | ~seen elg |
| 23:51.13 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@dhcp08.cs.nmsu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 1m 32s ago, saying: 'looks like win32 though'. |
| 23:51.13 | amcnabb | Isn't that how you do it? |
| 23:51.16 | findlay | in C how would I loop over each character in a string represented as a char *? |
| 23:51.17 | amcnabb | I never have much luck with ibot. :) |
| 23:51.54 | findlay | do I just test for \0? |
| 23:51.59 | amcnabb | yep |
| 23:54.11 | amcnabb | findlay, you usually do: for (p=str; p; p++) {} |
| 23:54.18 | amcnabb | *p |
| 23:54.21 | amcnabb | (in the middle) |
| 23:54.37 | amcnabb | You don't actually have to do *p!='\0'. |
| 23:54.53 | amcnabb | for (p=str; *p; p++) {} works just fine |
| 23:58.30 | findlay | arg, this string is not null terminated |
| 23:59.02 | amcnabb | Then it's not a string. |
| 23:59.14 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 23:59.30 | findlay | does the compiler somehow require that? |
