| 00:01.40 | elg | although, "This will be sold to four, five and six-year olds", come on get a little sense. 4,5, and 6 year olds don't go to the store by themselves |
| 00:01.51 | elg | it may be sold to parents of ... |
| 00:02.05 | elg | but if a parent buys it for a 4 year old, that 4 year old is mostly lost already |
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| 00:22.33 | graphyx | I love my son. He is funny. |
| 00:22.35 | graphyx | 4 years old. |
| 00:22.45 | graphyx | I will go into the kitchen to grab a snack. |
| 00:22.48 | graphyx | And he will hear me. |
| 00:22.54 | graphyx | Dad, I heard a wrapper. Can I have some? |
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| 00:45.12 | mheath | "Flags of our Fathers" is great. I recommend everyone here see it. |
| 00:45.28 | mheath | I'd write more of a review, but I doubt it would strike the same chord with any of you that it did with me. |
| 00:46.01 | herl1 | findlay: dmesg suggests nothing, no errors, nada |
| 00:47.03 | mheath | graphyx: reminds me of my nephew. |
| 00:47.32 | mheath | Bah, I really hope that doctor appointment tomorrow goes well |
| 00:47.51 | mheath | I'm nervous I'm going to end up begging him if he doesn't say what I want |
| 00:48.39 | *** join/#utah Trevor_ (n=chatzill@67.107.201.17.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 00:49.07 | Trevor_ | ello, any one around |
| 00:49.23 | mheath | bah, wrong place to talk about this. I just wish there was someone I _Could_ talk to.....No one understands how I feel about the military except for those IN the military, and they can't relate. |
| 00:49.27 | mheath | Trevor_: Yes. |
| 00:49.47 | Trevor_ | hi |
| 00:49.53 | mheath | Hello. |
| 00:50.28 | Trevor_ | meth? |
| 00:50.45 | herlo | hola Trevor_ |
| 00:50.48 | Trevor_ | hi |
| 00:51.42 | Trevor_ | sooooooo |
| 00:51.42 | mheath | Trevor_: you seem to have lost an h and an e. |
| 00:51.44 | Trevor_ | whats up pplz |
| 00:51.49 | mheath | erm, an a. |
| 00:52.04 | Trevor_ | well i was asking is that what u ment by ur nick |
| 00:52.21 | Trevor_ | in my head any ways |
| 00:52.44 | mheath | My nickname is my name. M. Heath. |
| 00:52.46 | Sargun | please stop using AOLbonics. |
| 00:53.07 | mheath | Sargun: I think that "AOLbonics" is rather an AOLbonic. |
| 00:53.16 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:53.34 | Trevor_ | what |
| 00:53.37 | Trevor_ | the hell |
| 00:53.42 | mheath | Trevor_: ignore Sargun |
| 00:53.43 | Sargun | and language. |
| 00:53.59 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/pastes/create |
| 00:54.01 | Sargun | Trevor_, don't ignore me, mheath hates me for some weird reason. |
| 00:54.08 | Trevor_ | riiiight |
| 00:54.10 | Trevor_ | lol |
| 00:54.37 | Trevor_ | where is the utah chat room on irc for party ppl :D |
| 00:54.41 | Sargun | Trevor_, Who are you? |
| 00:54.43 | Sargun | here |
| 00:54.53 | mheath | elg: that just redirects to http://pastie.caboo.se/ for me =\ |
| 00:54.54 | Trevor_ | this is for linux n shit |
| 00:54.58 | Sargun | dilvie is like a professional partier |
| 00:55.01 | mheath | Sargun: Who are YOU, for that matter? |
| 00:55.05 | Trevor_ | im me |
| 00:55.07 | Sargun | mheath, Sargun Dhillon. |
| 00:55.10 | Trevor_ | thats who i am |
| 00:55.19 | mheath | Sargun: Trevor is quite obviously Trevor. |
| 00:55.20 | Sargun | clever ;-) |
| 00:55.36 | Sargun | Then I'm god. |
| 00:55.42 | Trevor_ | man im down to 1 bowl |
| 00:55.43 | Trevor_ | :( |
| 00:55.53 | Sargun | You a college student? |
| 00:55.55 | graphyx | do the dishes? |
| 00:56.00 | Trevor_ | lol |
| 00:56.05 | Trevor_ | no and no |
| 00:56.27 | Sargun | under college, or above? |
| 00:56.27 | mheath | Sargun: He's in provo. BYU students wouldn't be saying that kind of thing :) |
| 00:56.31 | macnewbold | Sargun: no, not a psych major... mine was all CS |
| 00:56.35 | findlay | in soviet #utah ... oh, nevermind |
| 00:56.38 | Sargun | mheath, you never know. |
| 00:57.04 | Trevor_ | im 22, just not in college |
| 00:57.09 | Sargun | macnewbold, Any advice on how to SOAP in python with cybersource? |
| 00:57.11 | Sargun | Trevor_, ah. |
| 00:57.19 | macnewbold | Sargun: very carefully? |
| 00:57.20 | Sargun | Trevor_, You a programmer, or sysadmin? |
| 00:57.25 | Trevor_ | nope |
| 00:57.29 | Sargun | macnewbold, -_- |
| 00:57.36 | findlay | _-_ |
| 00:57.50 | Sargun | /_\ |
| 00:58.01 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.04 | nick125_lappy | \o/ |
| 00:58.04 | macnewbold | Sargun: I don't use SOAP, nor cybersource, nor python |
| 00:58.07 | Trevor_ | and im sure more than a few BYU students poke smot |
| 00:58.20 | Sargun | mhmm. |
| 00:58.25 | graphyx | whoever smot is... |
| 00:58.37 | graphyx | ~poke smot |
| 00:58.45 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind smot, pokes smot repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:58.46 | mheath | Trevor_: I'm willing to wager that people in here care less about your drug-related conversation than they do my ramblings about the Corps. |
| 00:58.56 | Sargun | hehe |
| 00:59.00 | Trevor_ | lol |
| 00:59.05 | mheath | Or perhaps don't care about either, on an equal basis. |
| 00:59.10 | Trevor_ | and i am sure i dont care they dont care :D |
| 00:59.18 | Sargun | smot? |
| 00:59.21 | Sargun | weed? |
| 00:59.21 | Tene | I definitely agree with mheath. |
| 00:59.27 | Sargun | Trevor_, smot == weed ? |
| 00:59.27 | findlay | it's like phlegm |
| 00:59.29 | emcnabb | mheath: you crack me up: " I'd write more of a review, but I doubt it would strike the same chord with any of " |
| 00:59.37 | Trevor_ | poke smot,,, smoke pot |
| 00:59.41 | emcnabb | you that it did with me. |
| 00:59.49 | graphyx | Trevor_: I was aware |
| 00:59.56 | Trevor_ | not u, sargun |
| 01:00.07 | Sargun | o.O? |
| 01:00.14 | mheath | emcnabb: It's true. |
| 01:00.26 | emcnabb | mheath: how do you know? |
| 01:00.27 | findlay | Sargun is a fork of my mental process |
| 01:00.42 | Sargun | psycho process, you mean? |
| 01:00.49 | mheath | emcnabb: But I won't try to explain my self. People always either laugh at my explanations, or pretend-nod their head while they privately couldn't care less. |
| 01:00.54 | graphyx | findlay: is htat process a zombie currently? |
| 01:01.01 | findlay | not sure |
| 01:01.03 | emcnabb | haha |
| 01:01.12 | Sargun | ~lart graphyx |
| 01:01.26 | findlay | ibot is always grabbing my full height scsi disk |
| 01:01.35 | Trevor_ | hmm |
| 01:01.35 | Trevor_ | riiiiiight |
| 01:01.35 | graphyx | Don't make me kill -9 you... |
| 01:01.40 | Tene | do it! |
| 01:01.47 | findlay | ~kill -9 |
| 01:01.49 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited pseudomeson gun at -9 |
| 01:01.53 | Trevor_ | so any one know where the normal utah ppl hang out :D |
| 01:01.54 | Sargun | Trevor_, I bet more kids at my high school smoke weed than at BYU. BYU is nice kids land. |
| 01:02.01 | graphyx | ~kill -9 Sargun |
| 01:02.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized neutrino gun at -9 Sargun |
| 01:02.03 | Sargun | I'm normal-ish |
| 01:02.05 | emcnabb | mheath: they laugh at you, not your "explanations" |
| 01:02.21 | Sargun | #atarack is where all the normal people are (or at least atarack-en normals) |
| 01:02.22 | graphyx | ~pkill sargun |
| 01:02.32 | Sargun | You cannot kill me. |
| 01:02.34 | Sargun | I am init! |
| 01:02.47 | Sargun | rm -rf /bin/shutdown |
| 01:02.48 | Sargun | rm -rf /bin/poweroff |
| 01:02.49 | Trevor_ | this is like a bad episode of robot chicken |
| 01:02.52 | Sargun | rm -rf /bin/init |
| 01:02.53 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:03.04 | Trevor_ | which is any episode IMO |
| 01:03.12 | Tene | Sargun: why would you recursively delete a single file? |
| 01:03.13 | findlay | telinit shutdown |
| 01:03.16 | mheath | Bah, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight.....This is all riding on that doctor appointment tomorrow! |
| 01:03.34 | Sargun | findlay, in disk sleep mode right now |
| 01:04.03 | macnewbold | mheath: what's riding? |
| 01:04.09 | Trevor_ | any one know of any utah chat rooms not relating to computers/linux/servers ect. |
| 01:04.14 | mheath | macnewbold: whether I can go back into the military. |
| 01:04.22 | Tene | Trevor_: not on freenode. |
| 01:04.31 | Trevor_ | on any node :D |
| 01:04.32 | Tene | seriously, why are you looking for tha ton freenode? |
| 01:04.35 | Tene | http://freenode.net/ |
| 01:04.39 | emcnabb | Trevor_: mheath will talk to you all day about the Marines |
| 01:04.41 | findlay | there are bunches of them |
| 01:04.45 | macnewbold | ah, well, I hope it comes out the way you want, mheath |
| 01:04.53 | elg | er, um |
| 01:05.00 | Trevor_ | o.0 |
| 01:05.12 | findlay | 0.O |
| 01:05.22 | graphyx | Trevor_: What are you looking for? |
| 01:05.27 | Sargun | emcnabb on the other hand is rather interesting |
| 01:05.30 | findlay | 0.o.O.) |
| 01:05.37 | Sargun | findlay is the class clown. |
| 01:05.39 | Trevor_ | just ppl to talk to |
| 01:05.44 | Trevor_ | not computer related |
| 01:05.51 | findlay | Sargun: you had the perfect opportunity and lost it |
| 01:05.55 | elg | grr. pastie changed their api |
| 01:05.59 | emcnabb | Trevor_: talk to mheath, I'm serious; he'll talk your ears off |
| 01:06.03 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:06.24 | graphyx | Trevor_: Start up ICq and start talking to random people. |
| 01:06.25 | Trevor_ | cos hes on meth |
| 01:06.29 | findlay | you could have said "four eyes" |
| 01:06.29 | graphyx | Or craigslist |
| 01:06.34 | Trevor_ | graphyx tryed that |
| 01:06.36 | Trevor_ | haha |
| 01:06.42 | Sargun | ? |
| 01:06.48 | Trevor_ | i got alot of gay men in my inbox :S |
| 01:06.54 | Sargun | actually, this is getting kind of annoying |
| 01:06.58 | Sargun | someone wanna +m |
| 01:06.58 | Trevor_ | "bears" and sit |
| 01:06.59 | Trevor_ | shit* |
| 01:07.15 | emcnabb | Trevor_: if you're gay, mheath may be your man |
| 01:07.21 | Trevor_ | im not |
| 01:07.22 | Sargun | hahah |
| 01:07.23 | Trevor_ | thats the problem |
| 01:07.43 | Newsome | doesn't sound like much of a problem to me |
| 01:07.56 | findlay | ~problem |
| 01:07.58 | ibot | problem is probably with you |
| 01:08.02 | Sargun | ~42 |
| 01:08.03 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 01:08.06 | findlay | ibot: whatever |
| 01:08.07 | ibot | somebody said whatever was the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 01:08.15 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:08.17 | findlay | whatever |
| 01:08.20 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:08.47 | findlay | ~wiki quantum entanglement |
| 01:09.31 | Trevor_ | riiight |
| 01:09.36 | findlay | ~lart qt |
| 01:09.44 | Sargun | thats a horrible lart |
| 01:10.15 | findlay | ~lart horribly |
| 01:10.52 | mheath | emcnabb: you're not going to hear me say anything about the freakin Corps anymore. I was too weak to make it in the Corps. I was an embarassment, and a failure. I live with that fact every freaking day. The one thing I wanted to do with my life, and I couldn't handle it. I'm done discussing it. I haven't talked about it, I'm not the one bringing it up over and over now, YOU are. Please, SHUT UP. |
| 01:11.54 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:12.25 | Sargun | hahahahaha, geek drama on IRC is the funniest thing EVER |
| 01:13.25 | findlay | ~dramaticate Sargun |
| 01:13.28 | emcnabb | actually, you did. You talked about how you saw the movie today, and reminded us about your pity story |
| 01:13.34 | emcnabb | again |
| 01:13.46 | macnewbold | mheath: you're not a loser |
| 01:13.51 | Sargun | herlo, your in the bay area right? |
| 01:13.51 | macnewbold | jbot, hug mheath |
| 01:13.57 | emcnabb | ~grouphug |
| 01:13.58 | ibot | ACTION hugs everbody and makes it all better... |
| 01:14.11 | Sargun | ~eat ibot |
| 01:14.12 | ibot | ACTION eats ibot and falls over dead |
| 01:14.18 | mheath | emcnabb: ACTUALLY, Its a freakin world war two movie. I said nothing about me, It struck a chord because I was thinking of my uncle who died and was buried today, who is a world war II vet. |
| 01:14.53 | macnewbold | mheath: the military is not the end of the world, though I'm sure it might feel like it right now, but there are a lot of other great ways to do good things and serve _______ (insert cause here) |
| 01:15.08 | elg | captain kangaroo |
| 01:15.37 | emcnabb | mheath: for some reason I don't believe you |
| 01:15.54 | Sargun | macnewbold, insert Sargun |
| 01:15.54 | emcnabb | I don't believe most things you say |
| 01:15.57 | emcnabb | but oh well |
| 01:16.01 | mheath | emcnabb: and want to know the freakin truth? They gave me a choice to come home. I panicked, couldn't handle one moment, and took that option. I even exagerated my injury to do that. |
| 01:16.06 | macnewbold | ~bonk Sargun |
| 01:16.07 | ibot | ACTION bonks Sargun over the head |
| 01:16.54 | mheath | emcnabb: I was weak, a pathetic failure. And I even gave up in such a weak, pathetic way that it now blocks me from doing what I want most. |
| 01:17.00 | macnewbold | mheath: maybe now just isn't the time for you? give it a while, get some college under your belt, do some maturing (not that you need lots or anything), then try again if you want? |
| 01:17.21 | emcnabb | mheath: I'm sorry things didn't work out for you |
| 01:17.33 | findlay | ~work |
| 01:17.34 | ibot | methinks work is the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
| 01:17.43 | macnewbold | nice, only in a geek channel |
| 01:17.45 | findlay | ibot: what a clever bot you are |
| 01:17.59 | findlay | ~power |
| 01:18.00 | ibot | well, power is for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power |
| 01:18.26 | mheath | It would be one thing if I got hurt. |
| 01:18.35 | mheath | Hurt at a level that I _HAD_ to come home |
| 01:18.51 | mheath | I'd be able to say - I did my best, I was honorable. |
| 01:19.16 | findlay | ibot: power is also the derivative of energy with respect to time |
| 01:19.17 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 01:19.35 | emcnabb | mheath: I don't even know if I can believe you went into the military |
| 01:19.42 | mheath | I live every freakin day hitting myself on the head, wondering what if. What if I hadn't freakin given up. |
| 01:20.03 | mheath | emcnabb: Then call the FBI and have them arrest me for forging a federal document, because I have my DD214 sitting infront of me. |
| 01:20.17 | emcnabb | mheath: I've never seen it |
| 01:20.26 | findlay | emcnabb, um, *is* the FBI |
| 01:20.27 | mheath | emcnabb: The fact that I went into the military is a joke to a lot of people, too |
| 01:20.36 | emcnabb | I don't want the FBI to come after you |
| 01:20.44 | mheath | An officer at the navy recruiting office laughed out loud when he saw my DD214. |
| 01:21.22 | mheath | Then they started a conversation behind my back about how I must have given up in the Marine Corps, and how I was trying to blame the government now. |
| 01:22.04 | emcnabb | well everyone, I'm off to bed |
| 01:22.10 | Sargun | niht |
| 01:22.33 | emcnabb | I'm becoming an old man... need my sleep |
| 01:23.12 | mheath | Have a great freakin night. |
| 01:23.17 | findlay | yeah |
| 01:23.20 | Sargun | emcnabb, heh |
| 01:23.24 | emcnabb | freak you very much |
| 01:24.07 | Sargun | freak dancing gets you a refferal! |
| 01:24.35 | findlay | ~bzfrag qt |
| 01:24.36 | ibot | ACTION kills qt with a shot from his BZTank |
| 01:24.47 | findlay | ibot: that one is boring |
| 01:24.48 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 01:24.56 | findlay | see? |
| 01:26.24 | graphyx | findlay: is bzflag normally better than that? |
| 01:26.50 | mheath | I really just hope that this doctor will clear me. So I can start to make up for what I realize now was a really, really stupid choice. Reclaim some of my honor and self esteem. |
| 01:27.03 | mheath | That's all I want. |
| 01:27.13 | mheath | anyway, thats my stupid ramblings for the night. |
| 01:27.15 | macnewbold | well, if the injury isn't that bad, and could go either way, |
| 01:27.18 | macnewbold | then you'll probably be fine |
| 01:27.48 | findlay | bzflag is fine |
| 01:27.53 | mheath | macnewbold: my injury was minor, and very temporary. I exagerated it a lot, like I just said. |
| 01:28.04 | macnewbold | then you've got very little to worry about |
| 01:28.38 | mheath | macnewbold: the problem is, my body is very predisposed to HAVING joint problems, apparently. |
| 01:28.39 | mheath | It has some characterists that make it prone to that, apparently |
| 01:29.02 | mheath | Meaning, because I exagerated it, they're convinced that knee injury was caused by this predisposition. |
| 01:29.05 | macnewbold | then if that's the case, and it were me, I'd think that if it doesn't work out, it might end up being better that way |
| 01:30.18 | mheath | No. Whats aggrivating is this supposed predisposition hasn't really ever effected me. |
| 01:30.26 | mheath | I've never really had a problem with it. |
| 01:30.40 | mheath | Yet, I've created a situation where they belive it HAS. |
| 01:31.14 | mheath | What would the doctor say if I told him I exagerated the injury? |
| 01:31.48 | mheath | He needs to write an official letter that I need to use when requesting my medical waiver, and I think the doctor would be relucant to write said letter without including the fact that it was exagerated, if I told him. |
| 01:31.49 | macnewbold | you say "it didn't end up being as bad as I thought it was" or something like that |
| 01:32.01 | emcnabb | I think the Marines look down on lying, but I'm no military expert |
| 01:32.09 | macnewbold | emcnabb has a point, too |
| 01:32.19 | macnewbold | then again, I'm sure it isn't unheard of |
| 01:32.53 | mheath | thanks, emcnabb, that makes me feel better. |
| 01:33.06 | mheath | I did not outright lie about anything. |
| 01:33.23 | mheath | And, like I said, I now regard my choices to be the stupidest mistake of my life. |
| 01:35.20 | findlay | much like emcnabb's choice to forsake gentoo for a lesser distro |
| 01:35.37 | mheath | .....That wasn't funny. Not in this context. |
| 01:35.59 | macnewbold | ~context switch |
| 01:36.27 | elg | ok, here's the real paste http://pastie.caboo.se/19784 |
| 01:36.43 | findlay | ok, I need to do homework. Say goodnight because the screen is going blank now |
| 01:36.50 | emcnabb | findlay: you are so inappropriate |
| 01:37.06 | emcnabb | this is not the time to talk about Linux distros. You should know that |
| 01:37.08 | findlay | goodnicht emcnabb |
| 01:37.12 | emcnabb | findlay: night |
| 01:38.19 | Sargun | What happened to trevor? |
| 01:38.28 | macnewbold | ~seen trevor |
| 01:38.46 | ibot | trevor <n=trevor@greg.web.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 101d 27m 35s ago, saying: 'all good :)'. |
| 01:38.47 | macnewbold | ~seen Trevor_ |
| 01:38.50 | ibot | trevor_ <n=chatzill@67.107.201.17.ptr.us.xo.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 29m 18s ago, saying: 'riiight'. |
| 01:39.18 | macnewbold | Sargun: i think it is safe to assume he left, as he was here, but is no longer |
| 01:39.34 | macnewbold | man, kids these days |
| 01:39.35 | Sargun | and will never be back. |
| 01:39.37 | macnewbold | have to explain everything |
| 01:39.54 | macnewbold | you are nothing |
| 01:39.57 | macnewbold | in fact, I'll prove it: |
| 01:40.01 | macnewbold | ~sargun |
| 01:40.15 | ibot | i guess sargun is bored |
| 01:40.16 | macnewbold | ~sargun Sargun |
| 01:40.19 | ibot | nothing |
| 01:40.20 | Sargun | hahah |
| 01:40.29 | elg | ibot: something |
| 01:40.31 | ibot | >lart jbot |
| 01:40.56 | mheath | O.o |
| 01:41.30 | macnewbold | -lart jbot |
| 01:41.35 | macnewbold | ~lart brac |
| 01:41.40 | macnewbold | -lart jbot |
| 01:41.45 | emcnabb | Sargun: macnewbold night |
| 01:41.47 | macnewbold | ~lart brac |
| 01:41.50 | mheath | OK, now that I'm done pouring my heart out to a bunch of people who couldn't care less... |
| 01:41.52 | macnewbold | g'night, emcnabb |
| 01:42.00 | macnewbold | mheath: we still love you |
| 01:42.01 | macnewbold | ~grouphug |
| 01:42.02 | ibot | ACTION hugs everbody and makes it all better... |
| 01:42.16 | macnewbold | give us the news tomorrow, if you feel like sharing |
| 01:43.04 | Sargun | emcnabb, night, again. |
| 01:43.06 | *** join/#utah spig (n=spig@spig.net) |
| 01:43.34 | macnewbold | ~welcome spig |
| 01:43.35 | ibot | Welcome to the party, spig! |
| 01:43.53 | spig | thx |
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| 02:04.48 | graphyx | so you guys join up a firefox party? |
| 02:05.37 | herlo | graphyx: there's one at BYU |
| 02:06.22 | herlo | Sargun: yes, bay area, sorry installing systems, didn't hear your question |
| 02:07.05 | Sargun | s'ok |
| 02:07.11 | Sargun | you prepping for test tommorow? |
| 02:07.21 | graphyx | herlo: would be fun. |
| 02:07.21 | Sargun | are there any FF parties this weekend? |
| 02:07.27 | graphyx | no. |
| 02:07.31 | graphyx | only tomorrow. |
| 02:07.31 | Sargun | (in sf) |
| 02:07.34 | Sargun | :-( |
| 02:07.36 | Sargun | what time? |
| 02:07.42 | graphyx | I am sure there are in sf. |
| 02:07.52 | graphyx | There are about 500 registered ff parties on the site. |
| 02:07.58 | Sargun | :-) |
| 02:07.58 | graphyx | so I bet there is one in Sf. |
| 02:08.08 | herlo | Sargun: yeah |
| 02:08.08 | graphyx | The only in the area for me is all tel at 6:30 AM by invite only. |
| 02:08.19 | graphyx | for an hour. |
| 02:08.20 | herlo | Sargun: the ff party at byu is on Saturday |
| 02:08.23 | graphyx | I don't think I'll go. |
| 02:08.36 | herlo | graphyx: you should tell them to invite you... |
| 02:08.38 | Sargun | :-( |
| 02:08.51 | Sargun | herlo, mind bringing me along back to utah |
| 02:09.03 | herlo | haha, where are you exactly? |
| 02:09.09 | graphyx | herlo: tell who? |
| 02:09.17 | graphyx | herlo: It probably is a company thing. |
| 02:09.18 | herlo | I'll be in San Fran next week |
| 02:09.25 | herlo | graphyx: oh, you got it |
| 02:09.45 | graphyx | herlo: I don't work for alltel. |
| 02:09.47 | graphyx | I work for Acxiom. |
| 02:10.08 | herlo | graphyx: I know, but you should invite yourself, that's what geeks do |
| 02:10.11 | herlo | ;) |
| 02:10.35 | macnewbold | or write a program to invite you |
| 02:10.40 | macnewbold | or to get you invited |
| 02:10.50 | elg | graphyx: I'm inviting you |
| 02:10.59 | herlo | nice! |
| 02:11.05 | herlo | see, easy peasy |
| 02:11.14 | Sargun | herlo, near livermore (in pleasanton) |
| 02:11.39 | Sargun | Acxiom? |
| 02:11.41 | Sargun | whats that?? |
| 02:12.06 | graphyx | elg: I meant to the alltel one. |
| 02:12.14 | graphyx | Sargun: acxiom.com |
| 02:12.30 | elg | yeah. I invited you |
| 02:12.42 | elg | you can even print out my invitation if you want |
| 02:13.23 | herlo | Sargun: I am only 30 mins from you |
| 02:14.23 | Sargun | what city your in? |
| 02:14.31 | herlo | Santa Clara |
| 02:14.33 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:14.38 | herlo | wanna do dinner? |
| 02:14.39 | Sargun | more like 40 |
| 02:14.42 | herlo | okay |
| 02:14.43 | Sargun | Can't-ish. |
| 02:14.46 | herlo | mmm |
| 02:14.48 | herlo | that sucks |
| 02:14.51 | Sargun | busy all weekend :-( |
| 02:14.53 | herlo | why? |
| 02:14.56 | herlo | even tonight? |
| 02:15.04 | Sargun | Too late... |
| 02:15.09 | Sargun | sorry :-( |
| 02:15.12 | herlo | really, no prob |
| 02:15.19 | herlo | I couldn't go tomorrow |
| 02:15.25 | herlo | how far away is SF from you? |
| 02:15.27 | Sargun | Mhmm, testing tommorow, right? |
| 02:15.31 | Sargun | depending |
| 02:15.37 | Sargun | what day of the week, and what time? |
| 02:15.37 | herlo | yeah, then I leave back home |
| 02:15.49 | herlo | any day next week, cept Wednesday |
| 02:15.59 | herlo | I don't have a vehicle...but I could ride the train down... |
| 02:16.12 | herlo | at least partway and meet you or something if you like... |
| 02:16.16 | Sargun | Santa Clara is a difficult city, though. |
| 02:16.21 | Sargun | for public transport |
| 02:16.27 | herlo | yeah, next week I am San Fran though |
| 02:16.29 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:16.36 | herlo | that's what I am suggesting |
| 02:17.03 | Sargun | hmm |
| 02:17.10 | Sargun | I might be able to get to SF next week |
| 02:17.17 | herlo | I could meet you partway... |
| 02:17.32 | Sargun | SF would be the best place |
| 02:17.52 | Sargun | there is no better place to do anything in bay area. |
| 02:19.54 | herlo | Sargun: okay |
| 02:20.04 | herlo | I can meet you probably just about anywhere up there... |
| 02:20.11 | herlo | let me find out quickly where I am staying |
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| 02:21.02 | herlo | 50 3rd St downtown |
| 02:21.35 | mheath | this is odd. |
| 02:21.48 | mheath | I'm trying to shine a brass belt buckle I have. It says it's solid brass... |
| 02:21.58 | mheath | It has a mirror finish, but I was trying to polish out a few scratches |
| 02:22.20 | herlo | Sargun: I am near the Bay Bridge |
| 02:22.32 | mheath | But as I polish, I end up with a more silver colored spot |
| 02:22.57 | Sargun | there are dozens of stations in SF |
| 02:23.03 | Sargun | so nothing to worry about location |
| 02:23.42 | macnewbold | mheath: maybe it's just a solid brass plating... |
| 02:23.51 | macnewbold | what are you polishing with? |
| 02:24.12 | mrpull- | solid brass plating would be funny |
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| 02:24.34 | graphyx | mrpull-: Bars have the solid brass stuff. |
| 02:24.52 | mrpull- | bars? |
| 02:25.07 | mheath | macnewbold: It's "Chrome Polish" by title, but the back says its good for all metals. |
| 02:25.22 | graphyx | places to drink large quantities of alcohol and sing badly to music? |
| 02:25.30 | mheath | I think I'll have to just buy a new belt buckle. |
| 02:27.08 | mheath | $4.45 for a new belt buckle. Not bad. |
| 02:27.11 | mheath | I think I'll just do that. |
| 02:29.05 | herlo | Sargun: what day is best for you next week? |
| 02:29.44 | herlo | graphyx: I think that'd be fun, next time I'm in Arkansas (pronounced are can zas) we'll go!! |
| 02:29.49 | herlo | :-D |
| 02:30.20 | graphyx | herlo: I actually went to a bar for the first time as a work party. |
| 02:30.23 | graphyx | That was rather odd. |
| 02:30.35 | graphyx | It was for someone who finished up their masters degree. |
| 02:30.37 | graphyx | onmy team. |
| 02:30.43 | Sargun | friday, or wednesday. |
| 02:30.51 | Sargun | I'm checking right now. |
| 02:31.12 | graphyx | Not something I pan on doing on a reg basis. |
| 02:32.23 | herlo | Sargun: Wednesday is bad for me, and I usually leave before dinner on Friday. I could swing Wednesday if you can't do any other night....it'll be 7is |
| 02:32.24 | herlo | h |
| 02:32.38 | herlo | graphyx: you didn't enjoy it? |
| 02:33.15 | graphyx | herlo: umm... well the pool was fun, but beer didn't appeal to me, the smoke was quite obnoxious.. |
| 02:33.26 | graphyx | wasn't quite a spiritually uplifting place. |
| 02:33.44 | herlo | smoke is quite obnoxious |
| 02:33.59 | herlo | but with Beer and pool, you can't go wrong.... |
| 02:34.13 | herlo | even if it's the root kind |
| 02:35.39 | Sargun | fun |
| 02:35.40 | Sargun | cya |
| 02:36.53 | herlo | I'll give you a buzz sometime next week Sargun |
| 02:37.14 | Sargun | See you, have fun during the test next week. |
| 02:38.54 | mheath | bah. if that doctor will clear me tomorrow, I'll be tempted to go active again |
| 02:38.59 | mheath | I told my dad I'd go reserve |
| 02:39.05 | findlay | you should go to the SF Symphony with Michael Tilson Thomas |
| 02:39.59 | mheath | Michael Tilson Thomas. Heh. |
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| 02:43.38 | mheath | This is sad. |
| 02:43.42 | mheath | A sign of the times, I guess |
| 02:43.52 | mheath | My cell phones text messaging has no ' character. |
| 02:43.57 | mheath | And no " character |
| 02:44.17 | mheath | Nor a ; character |
| 02:44.31 | macnewbold | mheath: if you haven't, you maybe should try reading (or listening to an audio book of) "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein (1959) |
| 02:44.54 | macnewbold | mheath: mine has them, but you can only get to them with the "1" key or the symbols menu |
| 02:45.03 | macnewbold | most people don't use them anymore :( |
| 02:45.08 | mheath | macnewbold: My 1 key only brings up limited punctuation. |
| 02:45.18 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.34 | macnewbold | no ? |
| 02:45.41 | macnewbold | no : ? |
| 02:45.51 | mheath | erm, ? is there, and : is. Sorry. |
| 02:46.03 | macnewbold | no # or $ or & or * or %? |
| 02:46.06 | macnewbold | that's just sad |
| 02:46.14 | macnewbold | mine has + and - and = too |
| 02:49.02 | mheath | This is said |
| 02:49.02 | Sargun | Whats a nice present for someone who is going through hard times, flowers, or chocolates? |
| 02:49.04 | mheath | *sad |
| 02:49.24 | macnewbold | Sargun: boy or girl? |
| 02:49.25 | mheath | I could send 10x as many text messages as what I sent today |
| 02:49.28 | Sargun | girl. |
| 02:49.37 | mheath | Every day of the month |
| 02:49.49 | mheath | and still not use as many text messages as what the cheapest, smallest verizon text messaging plan covers. |
| 02:49.58 | macnewbold | Sargun: how would you characterize your relationship to her, in 10 words or less? |
| 02:50.21 | Sargun | macnewbold, knew her a couple years ago, helped her on essay last week, she tells me all her secrets. |
| 02:50.36 | macnewbold | romantic, friendly, crush, or what? |
| 02:50.49 | macnewbold | and do you know if she has a sweet tooth? |
| 02:50.59 | Sargun | friendly. |
| 02:51.05 | Sargun | I don't know, but I could find out. |
| 02:51.26 | macnewbold | if you're not sure about the sweets, flowers work well |
| 02:51.35 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:51.37 | macnewbold | try a nice sized bunch of daisies or sunflowers |
| 02:51.40 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 02:52.04 | macnewbold | or for something more permanent, a nice potted plant (flowering of course) |
| 02:54.39 | Sargun | macnewbold, well, I have a feeling its going to be destroyed in a few days after it gets there... |
| 02:57.16 | Tene | whyn? |
| 02:57.27 | macnewbold | Sargun: what gives you that idea? |
| 02:57.32 | Sargun | macnewbold, Tene, long story. |
| 02:57.41 | macnewbold | then why bother? |
| 02:57.47 | macnewbold | does she hate you or something? |
| 02:57.56 | macnewbold | or does she just get destructive when she's upset? |
| 02:58.12 | Sargun | umm |
| 02:58.26 | Sargun | more like her father |
| 02:59.50 | macnewbold | ah, does he hate you? |
| 02:59.56 | Sargun | no |
| 03:00.00 | Sargun | again long story. |
| 03:00.09 | Sargun | (a.k.a. I gotta shutup) |
| 03:00.14 | findlay | story time! |
| 03:00.14 | macnewbold | hehe, okay |
| 03:00.22 | macnewbold | then stick to something simple |
| 03:00.36 | macnewbold | it's the thought that counts, as long as you're thoughtful enough not to make it worse |
| 03:01.49 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 03:02.01 | findlay | ouch |
| 03:03.21 | elg | sjansen style |
| 03:03.37 | findlay | what's wrong with emulating sjansen? |
| 03:05.34 | elg | nothing. we both did |
| 03:16.13 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:22.09 | maquis | Sargun: flowers... but not roses... |
| 03:22.28 | Sargun | maquis, why not roses? |
| 03:22.35 | maquis | because... roses are if you really like her |
| 03:22.38 | Sargun | hm |
| 03:22.45 | maquis | if you're friends, you want something a little less... pushy |
| 03:23.01 | maquis | daisies were a good suggestion (whoever made that suggestion) |
| 03:23.44 | maquis | you want something that's kind-of on the casual side, but still "i care about what you're going through" |
| 03:23.54 | maquis | most yellow flowers would probably also work |
| 03:23.59 | Sargun | Thanks. |
| 03:24.18 | maquis | chocolate also works |
| 03:24.40 | macnewbold | yeah, I said the daisies for the same reason, maquis |
| 03:24.49 | macnewbold | roses are great if you're dating her or something though |
| 03:24.58 | macnewbold | but you're too young for that still |
| 03:25.33 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:26.00 | maquis | maquis-fiancee got me roses a lot :) |
| 03:26.04 | Sargun | hehe |
| 03:28.05 | elg | what about chocolate daisies? |
| 03:28.43 | elg | gah. I spent hours today trying to download ubuntu...dapper |
| 03:28.50 | elg | -lart elg |
| 03:29.15 | Sargun | ~melvin |
| 03:29.18 | ibot | somebody said melvin was pulling your underwear up |
| 03:29.18 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm a big fan of red roses - a dozen or two can make a huge difference |
| 03:29.22 | Sargun | elg, those are Really expensive. |
| 03:29.24 | mrpull- | elg... whoopsy? |
| 03:29.28 | macnewbold | especially when you haven't done anything that you need to make up for |
| 03:29.41 | elg | mrpull-: what a waste of bandwidth |
| 03:29.45 | macnewbold | you can make chocolate daisies much cheaper than buy them |
| 03:29.52 | mrpull- | i've got excess bandwidth |
| 03:30.10 | elg | well, a waste of time really. the actual bandwidth used is not the issue :) |
| 03:30.18 | elg | but no biggie. I've got til tomorrow morning to get it down |
| 03:30.30 | elg | and I can torrent from here |
| 03:30.38 | mrpull- | it being edgy? |
| 03:30.46 | elg | (doesn't work at school - I can d/l but not u/l and that just messes it all up) |
| 03:31.08 | mrpull- | you are at UNM? |
| 03:31.28 | mrpull- | I thought their mirror was one of the main ones on ubuntu's page today |
| 03:33.13 | mrpull- | i used BT to download edgy today from behind a firewall |
| 03:33.30 | mrpull- | and still uploaded at > 10 Mbps |
| 03:36.12 | elg | nmsu |
| 03:36.25 | elg | but you were thinking umn |
| 03:36.44 | mrpull- | details deatails |
| 03:36.55 | elg | mrpull-: but you probably weren't being blocked deliberately |
| 03:37.14 | elg | I was getting grand total 0 up, after 10 minutes or so |
| 03:37.19 | mrpull- | elg: true... just not able to open up ports deliberately |
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| 04:18.15 | mheath | Hmm. Interesting. |
| 04:18.31 | mheath | MS and HP will give me a free upgrade to Windows Vista Home Basic for my laptop. |
| 04:19.22 | mheath | erm, nevermind |
| 04:19.30 | mheath | Purchased between October this year and May of next |
| 04:23.38 | macnewbold | -lart vista |
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| 06:20.05 | findlay | ibot: I'm special |
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| 11:11.10 | emcnabb | good morning! |
| 11:19.31 | bonez41 | brrr...it's a cold morning |
| 11:33.10 | emcnabb | yeah, here too |
| 11:34.24 | Tene | http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3640216 |
| 11:44.17 | bonez41 | question: let's say I have mailman working fine...and I run apt-get update/upgrade on my Debian 3.1 system and then.....Mailman no longer works.....is it safe to assume that the update / upgrade routine installed something that broke mailman? |
| 11:44.47 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 11:45.06 | Tene | or something that mailman depends on, I guess. |
| 11:46.57 | bonez41 | dang.... |
| 11:47.06 | bonez41 | I ahve been hacking at this a couple weeks, to no avail.... |
| 11:47.12 | bonez41 | it's so frustrating.. |
| 11:47.19 | Tene | there should be something in /var/log that shows what packages changed. |
| 11:47.33 | bonez41 | I am sure there's something there...... |
| 11:47.53 | Tene | good luck |
| 11:48.19 | bonez41 | i am no programmer..but if I were to write mailman..I'd include various testing point for it, so that one could verify that all the parts are there, and configured correctly, using tests..to make sure it would work |
| 11:48.22 | bonez41 | thanks |
| 11:49.00 | Tene | Yep, that's definitely a good thing. |
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| 13:52.28 | goozbach | mrning |
| 13:52.41 | goozbach | morning i mean |
| 13:52.57 | goozbach | good morning even! |
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| 14:24.03 | Sargun | Where are the local netflix shipping centers? |
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| 14:31.11 | graphyx | Sargun: What a relatively useless question. (Ie. local is relative. and without a Locale it can't be answered.) |
| 14:33.19 | mheath | one cannot assume, because Sargun is in a very different locale than the majority of us. |
| 14:36.48 | Sargun | mheath, but knowing the people who hang out in #utah, it would take 1% of their brain, and 4%-5% of their time for a day to map out all the shipping centres. |
| 14:40.17 | mheath | OK, lets get right on that |
| 14:40.33 | mheath | OK, everyone! Sargun wants us to create a personal map, just for him, of all the shipping centers near oakland! |
| 14:40.37 | mheath | Let's get to it! |
| 14:40.54 | graphyx | I would guess that the San Jose center would be closest. |
| 14:41.10 | Sargun | graphyx, thanks, that means my movie should probably be here overnight, right? |
| 14:41.16 | Sargun | san jose is 45 minutes away! |
| 14:41.23 | graphyx | one would hope. |
| 14:41.24 | macnewbold | Sargun: yeah, they'll come quick |
| 14:41.33 | macnewbold | unless they don't like you |
| 14:41.57 | Sargun | macnewbold, I am a new member, they tend to put a slightly higher priority on new member accounts IIRC |
| 14:42.21 | Sargun | So, saturday sargun should plan on watching Saw I, and II, and then going to Saw III? |
| 14:42.24 | mheath | where in the world is San Marcos, CA? |
| 14:42.32 | Sargun | in california |
| 14:42.48 | Sargun | in america |
| 14:43.02 | Sargun | In nort america to be more pacific |
| 14:43.12 | mheath | And, wait. Why the heck is UPS routing a package coming from California through freakin CANADA before it comes to me? |
| 14:43.29 | Sargun | because UPS hates you |
| 14:43.51 | macnewbold | mheath: for customs reasons |
| 14:44.01 | macnewbold | that way they can call it an international shipment |
| 14:44.09 | Sargun | they have to put it through their secret analysis center (because your an X-member of the USMC), and check that you aren't sneaking in/out military secrets. |
| 14:44.11 | graphyx | mheath: Sargun I was going to point that out. That the mail routes are like internet routes.. |
| 14:44.15 | Sargun | but what macnewbold said to. |
| 14:44.16 | macnewbold | if they sent it direct, it would just be a domestic interstate package |
| 14:44.19 | Sargun | graphyx, sort of... |
| 14:44.23 | graphyx | sometimes a trip from next door includes a foreign country.. |
| 14:44.30 | macnewbold | maybe that's where the plane landed... |
| 14:44.32 | mheath | This is silly. Two small items, it took them a week to ship it. |
| 14:44.41 | mheath | Now it's being routed through Canada. |
| 14:44.48 | Sargun | you should have payed them more. |
| 14:44.49 | mheath | Well, it's supposed to be here Monday anyway. |
| 14:45.04 | mheath | Sargun: not everyone is a rich spoiled child like you, Sargun. Sorry. |
| 14:45.17 | Sargun | Sorry? |
| 14:45.21 | Sargun | I love having a rich family. |
| 14:45.28 | macnewbold | my internet routes from downtown SLC to the UofU (a mile to the east) used to go through 5 different states from the west coast to the shores of the great lakes to the gulf coast. |
| 14:45.34 | macnewbold | the routes back never left SLC |
| 14:45.52 | macnewbold | any guesses on my ISP? Yep, Qwest.net / USWest.net. |
| 14:45.53 | Sargun | !poweroff |
| 14:45.54 | Sargun | bye |
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| 14:47.10 | mheath | utahbroadband.com hmmm> |
| 14:47.16 | elg | my laptop has been on order for at least two weeks now |
| 14:47.27 | elg | apple is pretty good, 3-5 days after they get the order |
| 14:47.36 | mheath | elg: I always buy stuff like that direct from the store :P |
| 14:47.42 | mheath | I know I'll go insane waiting for it to come |
| 14:47.44 | elg | so just be glad you didn't have to go through some university or corporate acquisition red tape |
| 14:47.52 | mheath | oh, yeah. |
| 14:48.15 | graphyx | I'll second that one. |
| 14:48.45 | graphyx | We purchased some equipment in June, but we couldn't actually receive it till July Just to make sure that it was on the books for the 2nd quarter. |
| 14:48.57 | graphyx | So we had to make sure it didn't arrive before the 1st of July. |
| 14:49.06 | graphyx | dumb stuff.. |
| 14:49.14 | elg | "oh, the UPS man. Everybody HIDE" |
| 14:49.24 | graphyx | quick turn off the light!!! |
| 14:51.47 | mheath | Our UPS guy just leaves it behind our garbage cans and puts a note on the door saying, Sorry we missed you, it's behind the garbage cans! |
| 14:52.17 | graphyx | look how rich mheath is!! he has multiple garbage cans!!! |
| 14:52.28 | graphyx | You can know how rich a society is by how much they throw away... |
| 14:52.33 | mheath | I know. I'm so spoiled. :P |
| 14:52.39 | elg | if you don't like that, leave a note that says "if you leave it, next time we'll sick the rots on you" |
| 14:52.55 | graphyx | mheath: Glad you took the joke well. |
| 14:53.47 | mheath | elg: "What can brown do for me? For starters, they can not leave my freakin merchandise sitting in my driveway." |
| 14:54.31 | mheath | ok, time to go get ready for my doctor appointment and work |
| 14:54.39 | mheath | see you all later |
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| 15:04.51 | elg | levi: http://www.chadfowler.com/index.cgi/Computing/Programming/Ruby/NotSoFast.rdoc,v |
| 15:08.28 | levi | elg: That's good to hear, I guess. |
| 15:12.11 | levi | The state of Ruby seems pretty darn strange these days. |
| 15:13.08 | levi | I wonder... does Ruby have something like dynamic-wind? |
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| 15:15.22 | ^Migs^ | what's the best free DVD burning app? |
| 15:15.56 | elg | dynamic-wind? |
| 15:16.10 | elg | is that like real weather simulation in flightgear? |
| 15:16.57 | calvarez | hello ;) |
| 15:17.03 | calvarez | ^Migs^, K3B |
| 15:18.09 | ^Migs^ | what about one for Windows? |
| 15:18.43 | levi | wind as in wind-up toy, not wind as in moving air. |
| 15:19.14 | elg | i still don't know what it is |
| 15:19.32 | elg | ^Migs^: i hear toast is great for os x |
| 15:19.50 | elg | although I've been satisfied by the burning abilities of os x itself |
| 15:20.08 | levi | It's a way to ensure that certain things always get executed before and after a thunk that you pass it. |
| 15:20.20 | levi | In the presence of continuations, as well. |
| 15:21.22 | elg | got me |
| 15:21.22 | mheath | Ok, I'm off to the doctor. Wish me luck, everyone :) |
| 15:21.34 | findlay | ~burn windows |
| 15:21.35 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over windows, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 15:21.52 | ^Migs^ | -k-. Don't die. |
| 15:22.00 | elg | windows is the only modern os that doesn't have a decent free burner (to my knowledge) |
| 15:22.34 | mheath | I thought the built in burner was OK for files, and the WMP burner is OK for audio. |
| 15:22.39 | mheath | Then theres PowerISO or whatever |
| 15:22.59 | findlay | it comes with a free root beer solitare game |
| 15:23.29 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 15:23.46 | elg | so XP has built-in burning? where do they hide it? |
| 15:23.52 | calvarez | ~blamebush the fact that mheath has to go to the doctor |
| 15:23.53 | ibot | Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for the fact that mheath has to go to the doctor. |
| 15:24.02 | elg | heh |
| 15:24.33 | calvarez | ~blamebush the fact that there are no good free DVD burner software |
| 15:24.35 | ibot | Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for the fact that there are no good free DVD burner software. |
| 15:24.47 | elg | ~blame |
| 15:24.53 | elg | ~blame canada |
| 15:24.54 | ibot | ACTION blames canada (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 15:26.59 | levi | elg: continuations can wreak havok with code that needs to open a resource, do something, and then close the resource. |
| 15:27.08 | ^Migs^ | no, you "copy" files to your DVD drive. It virtually saves them there, but you have to "burn" before they are. |
| 15:27.14 | levi | havoc, too. |
| 15:27.18 | ^Migs^ | notice all the quotes |
| 15:27.48 | findlay | k3b is pretty much the best burning utility in the universe |
| 15:29.36 | findlay | besides, it has that cool penguin theme |
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| 15:31.00 | findlay | good morning TimRiker |
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| 15:33.30 | findlay | good morning herlo |
| 15:33.52 | herlo | findlay: mornin' |
| 15:36.08 | calvarez | all in all, you're just another brick in the wall |
| 15:36.17 | calvarez | WE DON'T NEED NO EDUMACATION |
| 15:45.18 | ^Migs^ | we don't, but clearly YOU do. |
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| 15:46.22 | ^Migs^ | what's the plural of "software"? |
| 15:46.42 | ^Migs^ | warez? |
| 15:46.44 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 15:49.06 | levi | It doesn't look like Ruby has anything like dynamic-wind. |
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| 15:53.55 | levi | elg: Consider this: you need to open a resource, perform some operation on it, and then clean up the resource. So you have three separate procedures to call, the init, worker, and cleanup procedures. |
| 15:54.49 | levi | elg: So, if it's possible that an exception could happen, you'd wrap those in a try/catch/ensure construct and put the cleanup in the ensure part. |
| 15:55.33 | levi | elg: Imagine, however, that you capture a continuation inside of your worker procedure. |
| 15:56.08 | levi | elg: This could cause control-flow to do perform a non-local exit. If your ensure construct catches this, it cleans up the resource. |
| 15:56.29 | levi | s/do perform/perform/ |
| 15:56.39 | graphyx | ibot, no blamebush $foo is <reply> Obviously, the current administration's fault that $foo. |
| 15:56.40 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 15:56.52 | graphyx | ~blamebush mheath has to go to the doctor. |
| 15:56.53 | ibot | Obviously, the current administration's fault that mheath has to go to the doctor.. |
| 15:57.16 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.17 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 15:57.17 | maquis | hmmm... sure would be nice if people actually provided an explanation of the API when they update the interface others interact with |
| 15:57.23 | levi | elg: However, the continuation can be invoked again, and suddenly execution returns to the inside of the worker procedure. But the resource has been cleaned up! So it fails. |
| 15:57.27 | graphyx | ~blamebush lack of APIs |
| 15:57.28 | ibot | Obviously, it is the current administration's fault that lack of APIs. |
| 15:57.52 | elg | levi: sounds like something to deal with |
| 15:58.02 | maquis | er... wouldn't it be "obviously $foo is the current administration's fault" |
| 15:58.40 | levi | elg: Well, that's what dynamic-wind is for in Scheme. |
| 15:58.56 | levi | elg: No such construct exists in Ruby, as far as I can tell. |
| 16:01.46 | levi | There seem to be some other corners of Ruby semantics that are messy or subtlely broken; it seems to me that those should have been cleaned up before embarking on a quest for a new runtime. |
| 16:03.02 | levi | Such as blocks not introducing a new lexical scope for their variable bindings. Yow. |
| 16:06.44 | levi | maquis: It's too early for Christmas music! |
| 16:07.02 | maquis | levi: perhaps, but this song is *funny* |
| 16:07.27 | levi | Well, that might be okay then. |
| 16:07.54 | goozbach | ~funkybomb elg |
| 16:07.55 | ibot | ACTION blows away elg in a psychedelic flash |
| 16:08.37 | levi | I wonder how safe it is to do an apt-upgrade to edgy. |
| 16:10.18 | harleypig | I've been wondering that myself. |
| 16:10.20 | Jayce^ | levi, just did one on this machine, about to reboot |
| 16:10.28 | Jayce^ | I'll let you know in a few minutes how well it worked :) |
| 16:10.31 | levi | Okay. :) |
| 16:10.43 | maquis | Jayce^: at least you hope you'll be able to let us know |
| 16:10.45 | Jayce^ | do remember to dist-upgrade twice... (heard that online a few times) |
| 16:10.53 | Jayce^ | hopefully back in a few minutes :) |
| 16:11.32 | findlay | maquis: do alt+0-9 keybindings work for firefox on BSD? |
| 16:12.11 | maquis | findlay: they did for me |
| 16:12.22 | findlay | ha |
| 16:12.25 | maquis | i won't make any promises about whether something will work for anyone else, though :) |
| 16:12.29 | findlay | lousy page |
| 16:12.45 | levi | findlay: Check this out: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/10/prime_number_pathology_fractra.php |
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| 16:12.54 | findlay | this web site maps alt+1-5 or so to load certain pages |
| 16:13.06 | maquis | oh wow |
| 16:13.06 | findlay | so when I go to change tabs, it changes the page too |
| 16:13.08 | maquis | that's kinda scary |
| 16:13.10 | findlay | dang annoying |
| 16:13.27 | maquis | sites shouldn't be allowed to do that |
| 16:13.44 | levi | That is a truly scary programming language. |
| 16:13.45 | findlay | and they didn't seem to want to change it because it only worked on Linux |
| 16:13.48 | goozbach | so I wondder if I should yum upgrade from FC4 to FC6 |
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| 16:14.06 | Jayce^ | not bad |
| 16:14.18 | Jayce^ | didn't like the video mode during the boot graphics, but that's all so far |
| 16:14.19 | Jayce^ | was faster |
| 16:14.38 | findlay | distros should get 20% faster with each upgrade |
| 16:14.42 | levi | elg: You should look at that link, too. |
| 16:14.53 | findlay | -urls 1 |
| 16:14.53 | brac | [2006/09/01 18:25:57] <atoponce> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_programming_language |
| 16:14.56 | Jayce^ | otherwise all is good sofar |
| 16:14.57 | Jayce^ | so farf |
| 16:14.59 | Jayce^ | ergh |
| 16:15.03 | Jayce^ | except with me :) |
| 16:15.28 | findlay | heh, brac is outdated |
| 16:15.28 | Jayce^ | nfs mounted, video running.. |
| 16:15.35 | Jayce^ | synergy working |
| 16:15.40 | maquis | mmmm... synergy |
| 16:15.44 | Keighvin | ~weaselstomp Jayce^ |
| 16:15.46 | ibot | ACTION dons a viking helm, spreads some mayonnaise, and gives Jayce^ a good hard STOMP. Repeatedly. |
| 16:15.54 | goozbach | ohhh |
| 16:15.55 | elg | yesterday there was a link about upgrading |
| 16:15.58 | elg | now it's nowhere to be found |
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| 16:18.55 | findlay | of course with gentoo, you don't really have 'upgrades' so its more of like a continuous speed increase, kind of like continuously compounded interest |
| 16:19.15 | findlay | which is more elegant, imo |
| 16:19.26 | findlay | I'm so funny |
| 16:19.45 | goozbach | ibot: logs? |
| 16:19.53 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 16:19.54 | goozbach | elg: ^^^ :) |
| 16:20.10 | goozbach | if it was yesterday, ibot hast it |
| 16:20.16 | goozbach | hastest it |
| 16:20.17 | elg | i mean on ubuntu's homepage |
| 16:20.18 | elg | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades |
| 16:20.34 | elg | short answer |
| 16:20.35 | elg | gksu "update-manager -c" |
| 16:24.23 | mheath | YES |
| 16:24.27 | levi | NO |
| 16:24.28 | mheath | THANK YOU. YES! |
| 16:24.41 | findlay | PERHAPS |
| 16:24.42 | mheath | The orthopedic doctor cleared me. 100% |
| 16:25.01 | levi | "Upgrading Ubuntu to version 6.10" |
| 16:25.03 | macnewbold | ~congratulate mheath |
| 16:25.06 | ibot | ACTION congratulates mheath on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 16:25.08 | mheath | He scheduled an MRI (just to properly document that theres nothing wrong with the knee, and cover all the bases) and an apointment with my primary care physician |
| 16:25.12 | macnewbold | very very nice |
| 16:25.21 | mheath | Just because the military medical review board will want everything thoroughly documented |
| 16:25.21 | macnewbold | so what are your plans now? |
| 16:25.24 | mheath | But....YES! |
| 16:25.27 | macnewbold | oh yeah |
| 16:25.45 | emcnabb | mheath: so when do you leave? |
| 16:25.52 | mheath | macnewbold: I don't know. |
| 16:26.02 | mheath | Back into the USMC? Or Navy? Regular, or Reserve? |
| 16:26.09 | mheath | YESSSSSS! |
| 16:26.14 | macnewbold | choices choices |
| 16:26.29 | mheath | I have to get changed for work. |
| 16:26.41 | mheath | I was worried I was going to hear something bad and be all depressed for my double shift at work |
| 16:26.49 | mheath | BUT I AM SO FREAKIN EXSTATIC. YES! |
| 16:26.57 | mheath | emcnabb: Depends. |
| 16:26.58 | maquis | exstatic... |
| 16:27.04 | emcnabb | so are we, mheath is leaving! |
| 16:27.16 | mheath | emcnabb: If I go active, probably about 3-4 months. |
| 16:27.21 | *** mode/#utah [+o maquis] by ChanServ |
| 16:27.26 | *** kick/#utah [emcnabb!n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org] by maquis (be nice) |
| 16:27.26 | findlay | existatic? |
| 16:27.33 | mheath | Theres still another process I have to go through, though. |
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| 16:27.40 | mheath | The Naval Medical Review Board has to clear me still |
| 16:27.59 | mheath | Though with it all thoroughly documented as being 100% good to go, that should be quick. |
| 16:28.22 | mheath | 2 weeks after I get all my doctors visits over with, I should know for sure if I'm going back in |
| 16:28.48 | mheath | I'm glad I got a second opinion |
| 16:28.56 | mheath | this doc almost directly contradicted the previous one, on every point. |
| 16:29.13 | elg | ecstatic |
| 16:29.55 | levi | He was formerly static, but now he's got signal! |
| 16:30.14 | elg | now he's dynamic |
| 16:30.30 | findlay | but Maxwell's equations still apply |
| 16:32.39 | maquis | ~logs |
| 16:32.41 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 16:33.17 | findlay | ~maxwell's equations |
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| 17:11.42 | fozzmoo | ~seen goozbach |
| 17:12.01 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah (1d 20h 40m 55s). Has said a total of 93 messages. Is idling for 51m 45s, last said: 'hastest it'. |
| 17:13.38 | fozzmoo | For live Sons Of Nothing video (featuring Linux-powered visuals), www.youtube.com/profile?user=FozzilinyMoo |
| 17:13.51 | fozzmoo | (goozbach will appreciate) |
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| 17:14.14 | fozzmoo | And it's on the www.sonsofnothing.com homepage too. |
| 17:14.32 | fozzmoo | Speaking of YouTube, Glenn Beck's got a cool video out this morning... |
| 17:15.10 | fozzmoo | An answer for all those people circulating the military guy chain e-mail about how good things are in Iraq and how nothing is being reported about it. |
| 17:15.20 | fozzmoo | http://www.glennbeck.com/realstory/iraq-video.shtml |
| 17:16.01 | goozbach | ~funkybomb fozzmoo |
| 17:16.03 | ibot | ACTION blows away fozzmoo in a psychedelic flash |
| 17:17.01 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 17:17.17 | goozbach | battries dying |
| 17:17.21 | goozbach | nooo!!! |
| 17:17.29 | findlay | ~charge goozbach |
| 17:17.31 | goozbach | I've been at 0% for abt 5 minutes |
| 17:18.27 | ^Migs^ | that's a great video |
| 17:18.28 | maquis | lol |
| 17:18.39 | maquis | goozbach: that's pretty good |
| 17:19.01 | goozbach | fozzmoo: there are the videos you sent to me, no? |
| 17:19.02 | ^Migs^ | brings tears to your eyes |
| 17:19.13 | maquis | if you can be at 0% for 5 minutes, then you've got at least 500 minutes of battery life in there, right? |
| 17:19.18 | maquis | :) |
| 17:19.26 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeah- same as the DVD. |
| 17:19.31 | maquis | (when it's full, i mean) |
| 17:21.50 | levi | Boy, that story about the governor of the Anbar province sure makes Iraq sound blissful. |
| 17:23.17 | ^Migs^ | I'd move there |
| 17:23.29 | maquis | levi: what happened/ |
| 17:23.59 | levi | maquis: It talks about all the assasination attempts he survived, about grenades and explosions, about his 13 year old kid being kidnapped, etc. |
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| 17:24.26 | maquis | levi: ah |
| 17:25.35 | fozzmoo | But he still gets up, every day *sniffs*, puts on his suit, *sniffs*, and goes to work! |
| 17:26.48 | fozzmoo | He is the picture of vigilance. *sniff sniff sniff* |
| 17:26.48 | goozbach | still here? |
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| 17:26.56 | goozbach | sjansen!!!! |
| 17:27.04 | goozbach | nooo my battrie is dying |
| 17:27.05 | fozzmoo | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:27.06 | sjansen | goozbach!!!! |
| 17:27.09 | goozbach | sjansen!!! |
| 17:27.13 | sjansen | goozbach!!! |
| 17:27.20 | fozzmoo | fozzmoo!!! |
| 17:27.21 | findlay | !!!!!!!! |
| 17:27.46 | fozzmoo | I've always wondered about that Plato guy. |
| 17:27.54 | goozbach | sjansen: get my text? |
| 17:28.02 | sjansen | get mine? |
| 17:28.06 | goozbach | nope |
| 17:28.56 | goozbach | that's why I was asking |
| 17:29.25 | goozbach | where you examming today? |
| 17:29.31 | findlay | sjansen: where were you when we needed you? |
| 17:29.53 | findlay | probably at the Chicago symphony or something |
| 17:30.20 | sjansen | You SCUM PIG DOG WART FACE BABOON SUCKING SON OF A NASTY THING WITH HAIRY MOLD WHERE YOUR MUSTACHE SHOULD BE!!!!! |
| 17:30.42 | sjansen | I'm in Kansas City this week. |
| 17:30.59 | goozbach | good food? |
| 17:30.59 | findlay | St. Louis Symphony then |
| 17:31.10 | goozbach | sjansen: that meant for me? |
| 17:31.18 | sjansen | Had amazing pair of 4oz steaks a couple of days ago. |
| 17:31.25 | findlay | Leonard Slatkin |
| 17:31.52 | sjansen | goozbach: Who else? |
| 17:33.11 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | goozbach went to Dallas and all I got was this lousy topic |
| 17:33.39 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | goozbach went to Texas de Brasil and all I got was this lousy topic |
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| 17:34.34 | graphyx | sjansen: Why not call it 8oz of steak? |
| 17:34.51 | findlay | because that's barbaric |
| 17:34.57 | sjansen | Because it was two seperate steaks. |
| 17:35.14 | levi | Filet? |
| 17:35.16 | maquis | mmm... steak |
| 17:35.22 | maquis | medium rare |
| 17:35.23 | sjansen | center cut |
| 17:35.34 | goozbach | sjansen: i had about 320z worth of steak |
| 17:36.05 | levi | Better to have 8 oz of really good steak than 32 oz of mediocre steak! |
| 17:36.28 | maquis | goozbach: how many oz to a z? |
| 17:36.49 | goozbach | levi: it was good steak |
| 17:36.57 | goozbach | texas de brasil |
| 17:37.04 | Jayce^ | amen to that, ate at Ruby River last week.. what a wasted porterhouse |
| 17:37.05 | goozbach | 32oz |
| 17:37.14 | Jayce^ | overcooked, underseasoned.. |
| 17:37.31 | goozbach | batt dead now :( |
| 17:37.52 | maquis | last time i went for steak, mine was overcooked, and i was very sad |
| 17:38.08 | levi | I like my fillet to be cooked just enough to be firm and warm throughout, with just enough seasoning. |
| 17:39.46 | Jayce^ | this one had almost no crusting, hadn't rested, meh.. not going back there.. |
| 17:40.48 | levi | Too many Utahns like steak well done. It's just not right. |
| 17:41.57 | maquis | my mom doesn't like any kind of meat that's got pink on it |
| 17:42.04 | maquis | too bad for her |
| 17:42.45 | levi | See, that's just wrong. Such people shouldn't be allowed red meat. Let them eat chicken and pork. |
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| 17:43.04 | graphyx | We like Medium steaks but in Utah we had to always ask for medium rare to get it done right. |
| 17:43.22 | graphyx | Out here we haven't found a steak joint we like yet. |
| 17:43.31 | maquis | the problem is that some people got freaked out by the whole e-coli thing |
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| 17:44.22 | levi | It's on the outside of meat, not the inside. |
| 17:44.24 | maquis | depending on the place, i like either medium or medium-rare |
| 17:44.39 | maquis | levi: yeah... |
| 17:44.43 | herlo | graphyx: maquis: it comes down to overreaction over something that just happens. I think the FDA does the best they can and it's honorable that they do it with such limited resources... |
| 17:44.49 | maquis | but you have to understand how it works to understand that part |
| 17:45.04 | herlo | I like my steaks always blue-rare |
| 17:45.18 | maquis | and most people don't want to take the time to learn how those things work... they just react |
| 17:45.19 | graphyx | blue-rare? frozen? |
| 17:45.21 | herlo | 30 seconds seared on each side. Bloody and wonderful!! |
| 17:45.37 | graphyx | I had someone like that when I was working at the Olive Garden. |
| 17:45.41 | graphyx | except they wanted it on for 10 seconds. |
| 17:45.43 | graphyx | not 30. |
| 17:46.08 | graphyx | Ok fellows, just back the cow up,, Shall we have the cow extend the right or the left leg? |
| 17:46.17 | herlo | but I dated a french girl in my early 20s who's family cooked them that way. They were good... |
| 17:46.29 | graphyx | herlo: Oh good. Unfortunately, my story was true. |
| 17:46.31 | herlo | graphyx: have you seen "The Cowboy Way"? |
| 17:46.36 | graphyx | no. |
| 17:46.41 | levi | I'm not crazy about really rare steak. It's kind of gummy until you get to a certain point. |
| 17:46.48 | herlo | let me find the quote... |
| 17:46.58 | maquis | i've had some that was too rare... |
| 17:47.11 | maquis | but if you don't order medium-rare, most places cook it too much... |
| 17:47.24 | graphyx | my wife freaks out when I do haburgers though. Has to have them with no pink at all.. |
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| 17:47.46 | maquis | graphyx: with ground meat, that's generally best |
| 17:47.52 | findlay | ugh. I can't stand undercooked meat |
| 17:48.01 | herlo | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109493/quotes |
| 17:48.02 | findlay | leave the raw stuff for the lions |
| 17:48.08 | maquis | findlay: so you're one of the annoying utah people |
| 17:48.09 | herlo | findlay: the meat isn't undercooked |
| 17:48.12 | graphyx | But what if I am a Leo? |
| 17:48.20 | findlay | maquis: what are you talking about? |
| 17:48.37 | maquis | findlay: the annoying utah people who freak out if a steak has a little pink inside |
| 17:48.38 | herlo | graphyx: it's the first quote on that page, with the waiter talking to pepper (Keifer Sutherland) |
| 17:48.57 | herlo | maquis: findlay: steak is as done as you want it to be, that's when it's done... |
| 17:48.58 | findlay | I refuse to associate myself with trite prejudices |
| 17:49.19 | maquis | herlo: meh :) |
| 17:49.32 | maquis | i |
| 17:49.33 | maquis | 'm always right... |
| 17:49.35 | maquis | just deal with it :) |
| 17:49.35 | graphyx | herlo: I can see why you didn't cut and paste.. |
| 17:49.43 | herlo | it's like sushi really, it all tastes wonderful, but for the fear of being raw (which it isn't mostly) people are scared off.... |
| 17:49.45 | graphyx | maquis: You married yet? |
| 17:49.48 | herlo | graphyx: I almost did... |
| 17:49.50 | herlo | graphyx: haha |
| 17:49.53 | maquis | graphyx: almost |
| 17:50.04 | graphyx | I like some sushi |
| 17:50.07 | graphyx | rolls mainly. |
| 17:50.12 | graphyx | I was craving some of that the other day. |
| 17:50.19 | graphyx | Didn't get to do anything about it though. |
| 17:50.26 | herlo | graphyx: that's sushi, sashimi is the raw stuff they put into some sushi... |
| 17:51.06 | findlay | hey, it worked |
| 17:51.07 | levi | findlay: pink != raw |
| 17:51.08 | findlay | finally |
| 17:51.18 | graphyx | huh? |
| 17:51.18 | levi | findlay: red & gummy = raw |
| 17:51.25 | maquis | findlay: pink is good, in some situations... |
| 17:51.30 | maquis | for example, you want your shrimp pink |
| 17:51.32 | graphyx | a girl who likes pink? |
| 17:51.33 | findlay | levi: did I ever lead you to believe that? I don't understand |
| 17:51.36 | graphyx | Just like my daughter. |
| 17:51.43 | graphyx | She loves the color pink. |
| 17:51.48 | graphyx | And my wife detests it. |
| 17:51.49 | levi | findlay: You were never clear about how you liked your steak. |
| 17:51.51 | maquis | lol |
| 17:51.52 | graphyx | She choice on her own. |
| 17:51.55 | findlay | OK, now who are the people with the generalizations in this situation |
| 17:51.57 | maquis | my mom and i were the opposite for a while |
| 17:52.09 | graphyx | most every piece of clothing she owns is pink. |
| 17:52.18 | findlay | levi: what does it matter if I would be abused for it? |
| 17:53.03 | findlay | graphyx: I finally got my first, real django view to work |
| 17:53.22 | graphyx | django? |
| 17:53.39 | levi | findlay: If you fear abuse from your opinion, then it is likely that your opinion opposes the ones already given, which makes my assumption that you don't like pink steak seem fairly safe. Would you like to refute my assumption? |
| 17:53.42 | findlay | just because I'm from Utah doesn't mean I am automatically prejudices against how people cook meat. The supposition is ridiculous |
| 17:54.21 | findlay | levi: I gave you no such grounds to make assumtions. You can only speculate |
| 17:54.35 | levi | Statistical correlation is not ridiculous. |
| 17:55.13 | findlay | I don't want to argue about potentials |
| 17:55.18 | levi | And, fine, if you want to call it a speculation instead of an assumption, we'll use that term. Would you like to refute my speculation? |
| 17:55.28 | findlay | besides your assertion is false |
| 17:55.40 | levi | You like steak that has pink in it? |
| 17:55.52 | findlay | I may or may not. I've never tried it |
| 17:56.01 | nick125_lappy | emcnabb: mind sharing? |
| 17:56.11 | findlay | I don't eat a lot of meat |
| 17:56.20 | maquis | nick125_lappy: i don't think emcnabb likes sharing his brain... |
| 17:56.37 | nick125_lappy | I'm talking about the popcorn |
| 17:56.40 | levi | findlay: Do you dislike the idea of eating steak with pink in it? |
| 17:56.46 | findlay | no |
| 17:56.51 | maquis | nick125_lappy: then you should've said "popcorn-sharing" :) |
| 17:56.57 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:56.59 | ^Migs^ | white steak is better |
| 17:57.04 | findlay | heh |
| 17:57.14 | ^Migs^ | nice and chewy |
| 17:57.16 | manithree | Anybody ever used gplhost.com? |
| 17:57.23 | ^Migs^ | absolutely not |
| 17:57.23 | nick125_lappy | I don't like alot of pink in my steak, but, I don't want it to be a brick either |
| 17:57.49 | findlay | yeah |
| 17:57.55 | ^Migs^ | gplhost.com sucks, just from looking at their price listings |
| 17:58.22 | ^Migs^ | use dreamhost |
| 17:58.34 | levi | For me, a well-marbled steak can handle being cooked a bit more. Fillet is typically not very fat-rich, though, so it loses its tenderness very quickly as it cooks. |
| 17:58.35 | findlay | hey, ^Migs^, we're talking about meat here |
| 17:58.36 | ^Migs^ | and find one of those $97 off coupons that makes your first year free |
| 17:58.42 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 17:58.56 | ^Migs^ | I made pork chops the other night. omfyum! |
| 17:59.14 | ^Migs^ | or rather, I COOKED pork chops. |
| 17:59.16 | levi | Mmm, pork chops. Delicious when cooked well. |
| 17:59.19 | nick125_lappy | oh god...do not say that evil word..."dreamhost" |
| 17:59.24 | ^Migs^ | yeah, these were cooked well. I'm a great cook. |
| 17:59.26 | levi | But easy to turn into leather. |
| 17:59.42 | ^Migs^ | dreamhost rocks |
| 17:59.46 | findlay | nightmarehost? |
| 18:00.12 | ^Migs^ | I just added some cream of mushroom soup and topped it with onions, garlic, mushrooms, and served it over rice |
| 18:00.15 | ^Migs^ | omfdelicious |
| 18:00.18 | nick125_lappy | hah, I found a host that has 500GB of disk and 10TB of transfer for $5 a month...haha |
| 18:00.31 | ^Migs^ | haha, which host is this? |
| 18:00.36 | nick125_lappy | http://www.xstatichosting.com/ |
| 18:01.00 | ^Migs^ | kinda slow loading the page |
| 18:01.06 | nick125_lappy | I noticed that too |
| 18:01.14 | manithree | I want to put a nagios server on the east coast and the west coast. I'm not looking for web hosting. Need full ssh, crontab, etc. |
| 18:01.21 | ^Migs^ | wow, wtf |
| 18:01.27 | nick125_lappy | manithree: might want a VPS or a dedi |
| 18:01.32 | ^Migs^ | I have a bunch of stuff I want to backup |
| 18:01.36 | manithree | That's what gplhost is. |
| 18:01.54 | findlay | ask xbmodder about hosting (: |
| 18:02.01 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 18:02.16 | findlay | what's it called with full xen vhost hosting? |
| 18:02.42 | ^Migs^ | I'm tired of godaddy. I need to move to another host soon. |
| 18:03.00 | manithree | I've looked at unixshell.com and linode.com. I would prefer one company with DC's in the east and west. |
| 18:03.01 | nick125_lappy | findlay: VPS? |
| 18:03.06 | findlay | that's it |
| 18:03.17 | ^Migs^ | OMG! _{insert host here}_?!?!?!! YOU USE _{insert host here}_???? _{insert host here}_ SUCKS!!!!!!! |
| 18:03.43 | findlay | goozbach and xbmodder have VPSs |
| 18:03.44 | nick125_lappy | ^Migs^: why are you sounding like an average WHT thread? |
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| 18:03.59 | ^Migs^ | because this channel is one, nick125 |
| 18:04.10 | nick125_lappy | Somehost: "Get a core2 dedi for $29.99!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 18:04.24 | nick125_lappy | Customer on day one: "OMG!!!!! SOMEHOST ROCKS!!!!! GO SOMEHOST!!!" |
| 18:04.50 | graphyx | hey macnewbold you guys still looking to hire someone? |
| 18:05.06 | macnewbold | what what? |
| 18:05.07 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:05.10 | nick125_lappy | Customer on day three: "THOSE ******** AT SOMEHOST!! THEY SUCKS SO MUCH!!! DONT GO WITH SOMEHOST!! THEY ARE A SCAM!!!!!!!!!11111111!!" |
| 18:05.13 | macnewbold | well, it kind of slowed down a little, but yes |
| 18:05.32 | macnewbold | we ended up having an employee who wanted to pick up an extra 15-20 hours a week of overtime, |
| 18:05.37 | graphyx | I see... |
| 18:05.38 | macnewbold | so he's kind of filled the need for now |
| 18:05.51 | macnewbold | but by the end of the year, we'll probably be looking for someone I think |
| 18:06.10 | herlo | http://www.sf-lug.org/ |
| 18:06.10 | graphyx | so you are paying a trained known person 3/4 of a new guy to do 1/2 the work for the interum? |
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| 18:06.21 | Cleetus | -lart ibot |
| 18:06.37 | findlay | ibot: segfault |
| 18:06.39 | ibot | from memory, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 18:06.43 | herlo | cool penguin on that website |
| 18:07.13 | findlay | ~sig11 |
| 18:07.15 | ibot | well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 18:09.29 | macnewbold | graphyx: he's just working extra hours at his normal rate, and our current need was only for a part timer, so he's filled the need for now |
| 18:09.37 | macnewbold | but if we keep growing, we'll have need still |
| 18:09.48 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 18:09.50 | graphyx | Just curious. |
| 18:09.51 | macnewbold | we've been getting busier |
| 18:10.04 | findlay | what stuff do you do? |
| 18:10.15 | macnewbold | web development - php/mysq/html/css/etc |
| 18:10.34 | findlay | afraid you don't want me working for you |
| 18:10.49 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:10.53 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 18:10.55 | macnewbold | why, you like java or something? |
| 18:10.59 | findlay | no |
| 18:11.12 | findlay | I'm no good at that webby stuff |
| 18:11.15 | Keighvin | ~java findlay |
| 18:11.17 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: findlay |
| 18:13.46 | Cleetus | ~java ibot |
| 18:13.49 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: ibot |
| 18:14.52 | ^Migs^ | you don't do any java web development, do you? |
| 18:15.23 | Cleetus | who, me or macnewbold? |
| 18:15.38 | ^Migs^ | macnewbold |
| 18:15.45 | macnewbold | what what? |
| 18:15.51 | ^Migs^ | huh? |
| 18:15.55 | ^Migs^ | you don't do any java web development, do you? |
| 18:16.00 | goozbach | fozzmoo: your twin is sitting at this table with me. |
| 18:16.02 | macnewbold | java web development? no way |
| 18:16.10 | macnewbold | I don't even do any java non-web development when I can avoid it |
| 18:16.17 | ^Migs^ | bleh |
| 18:16.35 | macnewbold | java takes too long, too bloated, not the best language for web stuff |
| 18:16.40 | macnewbold | IMHO |
| 18:18.17 | ^Migs^ | it depends on what you're doing |
| 18:18.32 | ^Migs^ | it's robust and typically secure applications are best developed |
| 18:18.39 | ^Migs^ | I really don't agree that it "takes too long" though |
| 18:18.57 | ^Migs^ | PHP and J2EE are my prime choices |
| 18:19.01 | maquis | http://www.minds.may.ie/~dez/serendipity/index.php?/archives/102-Programming-Theorems.html |
| 18:19.19 | fozzmoo | I always tell people - if you are thinking about migrating to Java, better plan on increasing your headcount by 300% |
| 18:19.23 | ^Migs^ | plus, Java developers tend to make more than PHP devs |
| 18:19.28 | fozzmoo | (at least) |
| 18:19.29 | Cleetus | my main problem with java is that it's really a memory hog |
| 18:19.52 | ^Migs^ | we have plenty of massive servers here. Memory isn't a problem. |
| 18:19.57 | ^Migs^ | Obviously, it wouldn't be ideal for everyone, though |
| 18:19.58 | fozzmoo | That's because your average PHP developer generally only has a junior high education. |
| 18:20.07 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 18:20.11 | Cleetus | lol |
| 18:20.14 | ^Migs^ | PHP is an easy language. Java is a little more difficult. |
| 18:20.51 | ^Migs^ | I like both of them. For quick sites that have a budget under $10,000 or so, PHP is great. |
| 18:21.07 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why anybody uses ASP. ASP blows turkey chunks. |
| 18:21.10 | macnewbold | and for bigger sites, |
| 18:21.17 | manithree | PHP makes easy things easy and hard things impossible, Java makes easy things difficult and hard things possible |
| 18:21.19 | macnewbold | you can take a $50-100K budget for a java site, |
| 18:21.19 | fozzmoo | IMO, PHP and ASP are pretty much the same thig. |
| 18:21.22 | fozzmoo | thing. |
| 18:21.31 | macnewbold | and turn it into a $20-30K budget for a php site |
| 18:21.39 | fozzmoo | manithree: That "mantra" was stolen from Perl. |
| 18:21.42 | macnewbold | fozzmoo: yes, but ASP is still worse |
| 18:21.43 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't trust PHP for a site that required intense security, like an online bank |
| 18:21.50 | fozzmoo | macnewbold: I won't disagree. :) |
| 18:21.50 | manithree | I know. It still applies |
| 18:22.03 | ^Migs^ | that's really the only reason we use Java. We deal with sensitive info. |
| 18:22.14 | macnewbold | and php doesn't make hard things impossible, at least not most of them. I have yet to write something off as "impossible" in php |
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| 18:22.25 | ^Migs^ | well, it's not the ONLY reason. And there are plenty of frameworks for Java that make difficult things easy. |
| 18:22.26 | fozzmoo | I think the Java mantra should be, "With enough developers and meetings, anything is possible." |
| 18:22.32 | findlay | you should sensitize your info then |
| 18:22.33 | macnewbold | php is successfully used for a lot of security sensitive apps |
| 18:22.43 | findlay | or desensitize, whatever |
| 18:22.44 | ^Migs^ | yeah, PHP is versatile enough that I'm sure you can do anything, or find a workaround for it at the worst |
| 18:22.59 | macnewbold | yeah, that's what we've found for the most prat |
| 18:23.00 | macnewbold | part |
| 18:23.29 | ^Migs^ | yes it is used in a lot of security-sensitive apps. But I wouldn't want to develop an app like that in PHP. |
| 18:23.55 | ^Migs^ | just a preference |
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| 18:24.12 | ^Migs^ | plus, I have a brighter career future since I'm doing Java, rather than PHP |
| 18:24.59 | fozzmoo | bright, perhaps, because of all the flourescent lights over your corner of the cube farm. |
| 18:25.07 | Keighvin | macnewbold: Only because those "secure" PHP apps aren't heavy targets. |
| 18:25.28 | findlay | why does python's repo not exist |
| 18:25.30 | findlay | ? |
| 18:25.58 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: don't be so sure that it's brighter - PHP and web dev in general are a lot better than people tend to give them credit for |
| 18:25.59 | findlay | it almost frightens me that each lib must be individually packaged by the distro |
| 18:26.20 | findlay | maybe I've been spoiled by cpan |
| 18:26.24 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:26.31 | manithree | I thought cpan was spoiled |
| 18:26.35 | ^Migs^ | yes. People don't give them the credit they deserve. How is that brighter? |
| 18:26.38 | herlo | macnewbold: it looks like you are getting attacked by the perl guys. I think you can manhandle them |
| 18:26.45 | ^Migs^ | Java is more mature, too |
| 18:26.57 | fozzmoo | Fat people look older. |
| 18:27.07 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 18:27.17 | ^Migs^ | emaciated people look older, too |
| 18:27.26 | macnewbold | Keighvin: if you applied the same time and care and testing in your PHP "secure" app as you did for a java "secure" app, you'd end up with a PHP site that was as secure as the java one, IMHO, and quicker and with a lower budget too |
| 18:27.31 | fozzmoo | It's a funny statement considering the fact PHP has actually been around longer than Java. |
| 18:27.48 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 18:27.50 | ^Migs^ | no it hasn't |
| 18:27.56 | fozzmoo | Yes, it has. |
| 18:28.06 | manithree | PHP/FI has |
| 18:28.10 | fozzmoo | Uh huh. |
| 18:28.23 | fozzmoo | Oh, the PHP community woudl prefer I forgot about PHP/FI? :) |
| 18:28.43 | ^Migs^ | first rule of PHP/FI... |
| 18:29.37 | manithree | There is NOOO first rule of PHP/FI |
| 18:31.07 | ^Migs^ | senior java devs can make 6 figures easily |
| 18:31.25 | ^Migs^ | it's uncommon for a PHP dev to break that barrier |
| 18:31.30 | fozzmoo | You'd have to pay me that much to sit in meetings all day. :) |
| 18:31.46 | ^Migs^ | I like the meetings we have here |
| 18:31.51 | ^Migs^ | they tend to actually be productive |
| 18:31.54 | ^Migs^ | plus we order in lunch |
| 18:32.03 | manithree | What is it with Java and meetings? I am on a small java team, and I go to one meeting/week. |
| 18:32.04 | ^Migs^ | that's your tax dollars at work |
| 18:33.14 | fozzmoo | Every Java environment I've been exposed to has been full of meetings, whiteboards, object relationship diagrams, and more meetings. |
| 18:33.14 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's how it is here |
| 18:33.23 | ^Migs^ | it's awesome |
| 18:33.40 | manithree | That has nothing to do with Java. That's the company. They happen to choose Java. I could find crappy companies that choose PHP. Doesn't mean PHP is crappy. |
| 18:33.42 | ^Migs^ | as long as they keep the food coming |
| 18:33.48 | herlo | dead people look old usually too |
| 18:34.04 | ^Migs^ | not dead babies |
| 18:34.10 | ^Migs^ | dead babies still look young, I think |
| 18:34.16 | herlo | ^Migs^: thus the "usually" part |
| 18:34.30 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 18:35.24 | maquis | there were some good reasons for why that memory was suppressed |
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| 18:35.42 | ^Migs^ | dead puppies are not funny |
| 18:35.59 | manithree | Dead babies, now THAT's funny |
| 18:37.03 | ^Migs^ | lollolollinfanticidelolololomgroflicious |
| 18:37.22 | manithree | 8-) |
| 18:44.08 | emcnabb | ah, nothing better than a few classic dead baby jokes: |
| 18:44.15 | emcnabb | How do you get 100 babies into a bucket? With a blender! |
| 18:47.44 | tristanbob | just wanted to let everyone know that pfsense rocks! It is a firewall appliance with many, many, many features that are simple to use |
| 18:49.27 | tristanbob | features like automatic failover (with stateful synch), load-balancing and traffic shaping |
| 18:49.31 | tristanbob | http://www.pfsense.com/ |
| 18:49.44 | ^Migs^ | How do you save a drowning baby? Harpoon it! |
| 18:49.58 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: just through the earlobe, right? |
| 18:50.17 | ^Migs^ | Haha |
| 18:50.30 | levi | elg: Check this out: http://www.coverpop.com/whitney/index.php |
| 18:50.33 | ^Migs^ | What is more fun than shoveling dead babies off your porch? Doing it with a snowblower! |
| 18:51.15 | sjansen | Oh, hey, look. I've still got IRC open. |
| 18:51.20 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:51.21 | levi | elg: It makes creepy music. |
| 18:51.32 | tristanbob | I don't think Madonna would appreciate your comments. You should just buy a baby like she did. |
| 18:51.41 | ^Migs^ | How do you make a dead baby float? Take your foot off its head. |
| 18:52.23 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 18:52.29 | goozbach | how do you get a zombie baby into a bowl? |
| 18:52.33 | goozbach | with a blender |
| 18:52.34 | ^Migs^ | whichever is less disturbing |
| 18:52.40 | goozbach | how do you get it out? |
| 18:52.44 | goozbach | tortilla chips |
| 18:53.08 | graphyx | levi that is cool. |
| 18:53.50 | levi | graphyx: Way cooler than dead baby jokes. |
| 18:53.57 | graphyx | indeed |
| 18:54.41 | elg | levi: pretty slick |
| 18:54.54 | emcnabb | growing up my dad told me dead baby jokes all the time |
| 18:54.54 | levi | I like the 88 tines chromatic one. |
| 18:55.11 | emcnabb | I think it kind of scared me, but that's up to you to decide |
| 18:55.20 | elg | microtones is cool |
| 18:55.30 | elg | emcnabb: I think it didn't scare you |
| 18:55.33 | emcnabb | scarred |
| 18:55.45 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:55.51 | levi | Yeah, the microtones one is good. |
| 18:56.43 | emcnabb | ugh... the joys of benchmarking |
| 18:57.02 | sjansen | ~benchmark emcnabb |
| 18:57.41 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:58.47 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:59.09 | levi | stereo 210 is trippy. |
| 18:59.20 | maquis | emcnabb: i would not recommend telling your wife too many dead-baby jokes a couple months from now.... :) |
| 18:59.44 | levi | Imagine what this page would do to someone who was on acid. |
| 19:00.24 | findlay | heh |
| 19:01.02 | levi | The primes one reminds me of John Cage for some reason. |
| 19:04.09 | emcnabb | maquis: yeah, I agree; but when I think of dead baby jokes I don't think of 'actual' dead babies |
| 19:05.32 | maquis | emcnabb: just warning you :) |
| 19:07.20 | emcnabb | maquis: thanks :-) |
| 19:08.31 | findlay | ~warn emcnabb |
| 19:08.48 | findlay | dude, nothing |
| 19:08.52 | findlay | ~dude |
| 19:09.03 | findlay | ibot: you are boring |
| 19:09.05 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:09.31 | sjansen | ~lose findlay |
| 19:09.32 | ibot | findlay: You Lose. |
| 19:10.17 | findlay | ibot: I win |
| 19:10.18 | ibot | You win? |
| 19:10.22 | findlay | yes |
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| 19:18.14 | graphyx | findlay: Wow you outsmarted a programming construct.. |
| 19:18.18 | graphyx | good job. |
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| 19:18.39 | graphyx | ~scoobysnack findlay |
| 19:21.06 | calvarez | ibot, ping is <reply>-pong |
| 19:21.07 | ibot | pong is <reply>-pong |
| 19:21.24 | calvarez | brac, pong is <reply>~ping |
| 19:21.26 | brac | alright |
| 19:21.32 | calvarez | ~ping |
| 19:21.34 | ibot | pong |
| 19:21.51 | graphyx | -ping |
| 19:21.52 | brac | pong |
| 19:21.57 | graphyx | -pong |
| 19:22.10 | calvarez | ibot, forget ping |
| 19:22.21 | calvarez | brac, forget pong |
| 19:22.22 | brac | aight |
| 19:22.29 | calvarez | -pong |
| 19:22.36 | graphyx | I don't think you can train brac like you do ibot. |
| 19:22.36 | calvarez | -ping |
| 19:22.37 | brac | pong |
| 19:22.41 | graphyx | I don't konw how to train brac. |
| 19:22.44 | calvarez | hmm |
| 19:22.52 | calvarez | -pong |
| 19:23.05 | maquis | brac is trainable... i just don't remember the syntax |
| 19:23.06 | calvarez | brac, help |
| 19:23.07 | brac | help topics: core, auth, keywords [46 plugins: 8ball, autoop, autorejoin, bash, cal, chucknorris, deepthought, demauro, dice, digg, dns, excuse, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, grouphug|confess, host, imdb, insult, iplookup|userip, karmastats|karma, lart, lastfm, markov|chat, math, movieplot|movietitle, nickserv, opme, qauth, quotes, realm, remind, roshambo|rps, rot13, roulette, search|google, seen, slashdot, spell, |
| 19:23.08 | brac | threat, topic, translate, tube, urls, weather, wserver] (help <topic> for more info) |
| 19:23.31 | maquis | -addlart testing |
| 19:23.33 | brac | done |
| 19:23.42 | maquis | hmm |
| 19:23.44 | maquis | that could be fun |
| 19:23.47 | maquis | -lart calvarez |
| 19:24.27 | calvarez | ~king |
| 19:24.29 | ibot | rumour has it, king is Dessimat0r |
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| 19:24.38 | calvarez | ~boom |
| 19:24.40 | ibot | The World's First Linux-Only Modification For Quake 2. URL: http://fragland.net/boom/ |
| 19:24.54 | calvarez | ~hip |
| 19:24.56 | ibot | hip hosts.allow daemon. URL: http://www.shocking.com/~doemill/ |
| 19:25.06 | calvarez | ibot, forget hip |
| 19:25.34 | calvarez | ibot, hip is <reply>brac, hop |
| 19:25.35 | ibot | ...but hip is already something else... |
| 19:25.57 | maquis | ibot: no, hip is <reply> brac, hop |
| 19:25.59 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 19:26.04 | maquis | ~hip |
| 19:26.05 | ibot | brac, hop |
| 19:26.25 | calvarez | brac: hop |
| 19:26.38 | maquis | brac: hop is ibot: hip |
| 19:26.38 | brac | okay then :) |
| 19:26.39 | calvarez | brac: hop is <reply> ibot, hip |
| 19:26.40 | brac | but hop is ibot: hip |
| 19:26.47 | maquis | ~hip |
| 19:26.48 | ibot | brac, hop |
| 19:26.59 | maquis | doh |
| 19:27.05 | maquis | -hop |
| 19:27.12 | calvarez | brac: hop is <reply> ibot: hip |
| 19:27.13 | brac | but hop is ibot: hip |
| 19:27.17 | calvarez | brac: no, hop is <reply> ibot: hip |
| 19:27.18 | brac | done |
| 19:27.29 | calvarez | brac: hop |
| 19:27.33 | maquis | -hop |
| 19:27.47 | calvarez | ~hip |
| 19:27.48 | ibot | brac, hop |
| 19:28.01 | maquis | calvarez: just a warning... it won't infinite-loop |
| 19:28.06 | calvarez | ibot, hip is <reply>brac: hop |
| 19:28.07 | ibot | ...but hip is already something else... |
| 19:28.12 | maquis | because ibot ignores things when it gets the same thing repeatedly |
| 19:28.15 | calvarez | ibot:no, hip is <reply>brac: hop |
| 19:28.17 | ibot | okay, calvarez |
| 19:28.21 | calvarez | ~hip |
| 19:28.23 | ibot | brac: hop |
| 19:28.34 | calvarez | brac, hop |
| 19:28.37 | calvarez | -hop |
| 19:28.40 | calvarez | hop!! |
| 19:28.42 | findlay | hop brac |
| 19:29.00 | calvarez | meh |
| 19:29.11 | calvarez | that's true, ibot ignores after a while |
| 19:29.18 | graphyx | brac, you are the weakest link!! |
| 19:29.18 | brac | but you are less perfect than lore |
| 19:29.22 | graphyx | goodbye |
| 19:29.27 | calvarez | ack |
| 19:29.31 | maquis | lol |
| 19:29.37 | graphyx | ~whaleslap brac |
| 19:29.38 | ibot | ACTION beats brac upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:29.56 | calvarez | graphyx, how do you program brac? |
| 19:29.56 | maquis | ~whaleparry ibot |
| 19:29.59 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry ibot's attacks. |
| 19:30.08 | graphyx | calvarez: I don't know how to program brac |
| 19:30.23 | maquis | calvarez: try elg |
| 19:30.32 | calvarez | elg, hop |
| 19:30.34 | calvarez | ;) |
| 19:30.36 | calvarez | elg, hip |
| 19:30.38 | graphyx | hehe... |
| 19:30.39 | calvarez | he's broken too |
| 19:30.42 | maquis | lol |
| 19:30.50 | maquis | ~break elg |
| 19:30.59 | calvarez | ~recycle elg |
| 19:31.57 | graphyx | ~fix elg |
| 19:31.58 | ibot | ACTION takes elg to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 19:32.09 | graphyx | ~spade elg |
| 19:35.30 | maquis | ~ace elg |
| 19:35.46 | tristanbob | so what does everyone think about Oracle's move? |
| 19:36.36 | ^Migs^ | Oracle made a move? |
| 19:36.46 | ^Migs^ | why do you instantly assume we're all familiar with this so-called "move"? |
| 19:36.58 | emcnabb | no comment |
| 19:37.17 | tristanbob | emcnabb: I believe that is a comment |
| 19:37.20 | herlo | ^Migs^: oracle announced it's own version of linux based upon RedHat, thus emcnabb's no comment |
| 19:37.34 | tristanbob | employed at RedHat? |
| 19:38.04 | tristanbob | Oracle's linux is only in binary form, I believe |
| 19:38.04 | ^Migs^ | Wow. That affects me in no way whatsoever. |
| 19:38.22 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: thanks for your opinion. that is why I asked. |
| 19:38.32 | ^Migs^ | write that down |
| 19:38.53 | herlo | tristanbob: I think you should ghost tristanbob_ |
| 19:39.08 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.27 | herlo | oh, and you need your pw if it's registered... |
| 19:39.47 | manithree | Oracle has source downloads |
| 19:39.56 | tristanbob | I have always been neutral towards oracle (other than thinking it was too expensive). |
| 19:40.21 | tristanbob | manithree: so, you are saying that I could sell support of Oracle's Linux? |
| 19:40.49 | manithree | You would probably have to take out their graphics, trademarked, stuff, etc., just like they did to RH |
| 19:41.24 | manithree | You could probably sell support without that. To re-distribute you'd have to clean it up |
| 19:43.09 | tristanbob | maybe I will call my version "breakable", you know, to limit any possible litigation against me |
| 19:43.09 | emcnabb | tristanbob: I work for Red Hat |
| 19:43.10 | calvarez | oh, you work for the Linux version of Micro$oft? |
| 19:43.10 | calvarez | j/k |
| 19:43.10 | calvarez | ;) |
| 19:43.10 | tristanbob | calvarez: be nice! :) we like red hat |
| 19:43.10 | calvarez | I used to work for Novell |
| 19:43.10 | tristanbob | just not as much as we like Ubunut |
| 19:43.11 | calvarez | so there :p |
| 19:43.11 | emcnabb | we do a lot more for Linux than most companies do :-) |
| 19:43.11 | findlay | hello |
| 19:43.12 | herlo | calvarez: It's definitely not the M$ of the Linux world... |
| 19:43.13 | emcnabb | everything we do (almost) is freely available |
| 19:43.20 | findlay | how is everyone? |
| 19:43.32 | calvarez | personally, I'm more of an ubuntu fan |
| 19:43.39 | calvarez | well, Kubuntu :p |
| 19:43.54 | herlo | RedHat opened many doors to the Linux world, and being the largest Linux Company, they still do just that, open doors. |
| 19:44.27 | manithree | They do good stuff technically, too. Like SElinux integration Xen mgmt tools, etc. |
| 19:44.32 | findlay | they even submitted patches to the kernel for door opener drivers |
| 19:44.33 | manithree | And open source it (GFS!) |
| 19:45.28 | calvarez | and use Fedora as a free beta test platform (oops, sorry, "testbed") |
| 19:45.32 | graphyx | calvarez: it couple be possible to get the two bots to respond recursively When one of them has some lag... |
| 19:45.51 | herlo | manithree: exactly, and their education system is really good. The RHCE is the most well-known/respected linux exam out there |
| 19:46.14 | manithree | And their support is good. Expensive, but good. Esp. compared to Oracle (yes, I deal with both) |
| 19:46.24 | emcnabb | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions |
| 19:46.29 | herlo | You get what you pay for... |
| 19:46.34 | herlo | and sometimes more |
| 19:46.39 | manithree | Not expensive compared to oracle :) |
| 19:46.45 | manithree | Good compared to oracle |
| 19:46.57 | maquis | question: how useful would a talk on perl6 and pugs be? |
| 19:47.10 | herlo | pugs? |
| 19:47.18 | findlay | maquis: it would be way fun |
| 19:47.21 | maquis | (a talk given by the creater of pugs perl6 compiler project) |
| 19:47.27 | levi | maquis: Useful? I don't know. It would certainly be interesting, though! |
| 19:47.31 | herlo | ahh, I'd love to hear about it... |
| 19:47.48 | maquis | i'm wondering if my complete lack of perl knowledge would make it less useful |
| 19:47.55 | levi | maquis: No, you should go. |
| 19:47.58 | maquis | ok |
| 19:48.11 | levi | Audrey Tang is a smart cookie. |
| 19:48.16 | maquis | cool |
| 19:49.29 | levi | I pretty much hate perl5, though I admit its usefulness. But perl6 and pugs especially are way cool. |
| 19:51.04 | herlo | maquis: where is that? |
| 19:51.37 | maquis | herlo: at work |
| 19:51.47 | herlo | amazon right? |
| 19:52.05 | herlo | that's cool |
| 19:52.14 | maquis | yup |
| 19:53.47 | Jayce^ | maquis, so Audrey Tang is presenting? |
| 19:53.54 | maquis | Jayce^: yup |
| 19:54.02 | Jayce^ | thick accent, talks fast.. but extremely intelligent |
| 19:54.07 | maquis | cool |
| 19:54.18 | Jayce^ | of course, I have trouble listening too, knowing her background :-p |
| 19:54.31 | maquis | i usually do pretty well with chinese and taiwanese accents |
| 19:54.45 | maquis | ?? |
| 19:55.00 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for that stupid, stupid game. |
| 19:55.08 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, hehehehe |
| 19:55.18 | Jayce^ | now you gotta get a machine so you can play against me :) |
| 19:55.30 | maquis | what game? |
| 19:55.35 | levi | Jayce^: That's not really relevant to the technical content, though. |
| 19:55.35 | Jayce^ | Battlefield 2142 |
| 19:55.40 | Jayce^ | levi, not at all... |
| 19:55.42 | Keighvin | I'll readily admit I suck, but the pilot of that last vehicle was awful. |
| 19:59.15 | ^Migs^ | geez, I wanna go home |
| 19:59.20 | ^Migs^ | I'm tired of being at work |
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| 20:28.09 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 20:37.07 | hckrSid | Anyone successfully installed driverloader with the new ubuntu 6.10? |
| 20:41.05 | harleypig | Jayce^, Keighvin y'all shoulg go with Dark Messiah ... then we kin play tughgether |
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| 21:03.42 | harleypig | http://www.hlcomic.com/index.php?date=2005-06-29 Hang in there baby! |
| 21:03.46 | harleypig | :D I want that poster! |
| 21:14.13 | Keighvin | harleypig: No can do, sir (on the Dark Messiah). Looks awesome, but I don't have anything that'll run it and refuse to install winders. |
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| 21:53.14 | Keighvin | I never finish anyth |
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| 21:58.56 | bonez39 | question: my wife's web, www.2ndlanguagesuccess.com was recently shifted over to a new host.... the registrar, namecheap , shows the following for the domain name server numbers: ns1.quickserve.com, and ns5.ns0.com... How do I figure out where the site is being hosted? |
| 22:05.11 | Robdor | bonez39: You could probably ping it, to find out where the IP address resolves to, then do an IPWhois on dnsstuff.com. |
| 22:05.25 | bonez39 | Robdor, ok, I'll try that now |
| 22:06.09 | bonez39 | Robdor, do I run whois at the prompt on the IP that shows up? from ping? |
| 22:07.07 | Robdor | bonez39: You have to do the IP whois at www.dnsstuff.com, this is the page that I came up with: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=216.146.204.139 |
| 22:07.16 | bonez39 | Robdor, reason I ask, is that when I run > whois ns1.quickserve.com .. that brings up a bunch of russian brides sites..... |
| 22:09.02 | Robdor | Right, that's just the nameserver though. It's that nameserver that routes you to the right IP address. |
| 22:09.36 | bonez39 | Robdor, I get the same information just by running whois on that same IP address |
| 22:10.42 | bonez39 | in any event, the guys hosting this site there ... have it messed up..it's just not working right...so I want to move it to a new host...when I decide where.do I just get those two DNS numbers..from the new host, to provide the registrar..to point it to the right place? |
| 22:10.43 | Keighvin | And now we know that the brides_for_cheap*.ru comes from namecheap. |
| 22:10.53 | Robdor | bonez39: Did you do the IP Whois on dnsstuff.com or just from the command line? |
| 22:10.54 | bonez39 | Keighvin, there ya go...... |
| 22:11.20 | bonez39 | Robdor, at the command line, but after pinging 2ndlanguagesuccess.com to get that IP address |
| 22:12.00 | bonez39 | Keighvin, funny thing about that..I have a patient who is indeed a 'russian bride'...married to my other patient....;) |
| 22:12.06 | Robdor | Take that IP address and put it into the dns stuff ip whois instead of the command line. |
| 22:16.22 | bonez39 | oh, that's the same IP you show on that site.....the 216.146.204.139 address..it produces the exact same information if I just run > whois 216.146.204.139 Enter |
| 22:18.22 | Robdor | And, that's who is hosting it. |
| 22:20.06 | bonez39 | yeah, I would assume so.......... |
| 22:20.35 | bonez39 | but they messed it up...took off some animated flash sequences and now...we get no hits..and no sales off the site..I am going to take it back over..and revive it. |
| 22:20.41 | bonez39 | If I can figure out how to... |
| 22:45.46 | harleypig | Oh maaaan ... I just took a sip of pepsi and got the strongest whiff of Jack Daniels ... *sigh* I wanna drink. |
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| 22:56.44 | findlay | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824254007 |
| 22:56.48 | findlay | what do you think? |
| 22:57.12 | Keighvin | harleypig: Sorry, that was me. |
| 22:57.34 | Keighvin | Which would certainly explain the quality of my code today. |
| 22:59.04 | nick125_lappy | hah |
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| 23:00.16 | findlay | somebody can buy me that for Christmas |
| 23:01.23 | findlay | and one of those Nokia deals |
| 23:01.29 | findlay | while you're at it |
| 23:02.03 | findlay | you'd get the warm satisfaction of helping out a poor college student |
| 23:04.37 | levi | findlay: Only 1024x768. Blah. |
| 23:06.43 | findlay | really? |
| 23:06.49 | findlay | hm, should have checked |
| 23:06.59 | findlay | at least it's the cheapest model on newegg |
| 23:07.38 | levi | Look at 19" monitors, they're generally 1280x1024. |
| 23:07.47 | findlay | maybe this time next year I'll have an e-paper display with full 16 bits of color |
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| 23:08.40 | levi | For an extra $40, you can get a 19" with 1280x1024. |
| 23:08.44 | Sargun | hey |
| 23:08.47 | findlay | hi |
| 23:09.06 | Sargun | Whats a cool latin name |
| 23:09.17 | Sargun | down not across, what is that in latin? |
| 23:09.18 | findlay | can they not pack pixels as dense as CRTs? |
| 23:09.23 | levi | Or 1440x900, if you like the widescreen look. |
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| 23:09.38 | findlay | Sargun: are you doing a crossword puzzle? |
| 23:10.01 | levi | findlay: They can, but they usually stick at around the same dpi for desktop LCDs. |
| 23:10.10 | findlay | why? |
| 23:11.02 | findlay | in any case I couldn't afford one |
| 23:11.30 | findlay | I imagine this old 17" CRT will last a few more years |
| 23:11.45 | levi | Currently Windows and OS X are fairly fixed at a certain display resolution. That'll change in the next few years, but for now desktop monitors stick with the dpi the OSes consider 'optimal'. |
| 23:12.13 | findlay | levi: how can they be 'fixed'? |
| 23:13.37 | levi | findlay: Many display elements are drawn with specific pixel widths and bitmaps, so they don't scale well. |
| 23:14.17 | levi | Higher resolution makes things smaller rather than more detailed. |
| 23:14.55 | findlay | bah, I can design my own desktop with OSS, just give me an hoard of pixels |
| 23:15.02 | findlay | and I'll be happy |
| 23:15.13 | levi | You are insignifcant to the manufacturers of hardware. |
| 23:15.28 | findlay | I am not |
| 23:15.30 | elg | yes, you are |
| 23:15.46 | levi | You can't even afford a measly $140 monitor. You are SO insignificant to them. :) |
| 23:16.45 | levi | Anyway, if you really want a hi-res display, buy a laptop with one and figure out how to hack on a frame, power supply, and D-bus cable. |
| 23:17.18 | findlay | one day I'll own a company that buys 100,000 monitors a year then lets see who's insignificant, huh, Big Hardware[TM]? |
| 23:17.52 | levi | findlay: If that time comes, you might be able to get someone to make a specific model for you. |
| 23:18.06 | findlay | levi: have you ever tried to disassemble a laptop? |
| 23:18.20 | levi | Of course, by then, display systems will be resolution-independant and hi-res screens will be common. |
| 23:18.24 | levi | findlay: Yes. |
| 23:18.43 | levi | findlay: You aren't going to be using the laptop afterwards; no need to be careful! |
| 23:18.56 | findlay | did you get far enough to remove the MB? |
| 23:19.14 | levi | Nope. |
| 23:19.26 | findlay | I hacked away on my roomate's laptop for about 2 hours without even coming close to getting the whole case off |
| 23:19.36 | findlay | laptops are ridiculously complex |
| 23:20.02 | findlay | no need for all those screws (: |
| 23:20.25 | findlay | if apple laptops were as well designed on the inside as on the outside, I imagine they would be somewhat better |
| 23:20.37 | levi | You try packing all the functionality of a modern laptop into an ultra-slim case and see what it ends up like. |
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| 23:21.05 | findlay | I'm not convinced it has to be as complex as this one was |
| 23:21.20 | levi | findlay: You probably aren't aware of all the design constraints, either. |
| 23:21.36 | levi | Simplicity is not a priority. |
| 23:21.54 | levi | Not much of a laptop is user-serivceable, anyway. |
| 23:22.07 | findlay | but levi I supposed for the sake of argument I was. Isn't that good enough? |
| 23:22.52 | levi | findlay: If you were aware of the design constraints, you would probably be impressed with the design. |
| 23:22.59 | findlay | heh, but what about those people with instruments and a mini clean room in their shed who are capable of repairing RAM and EEPROM and stuff? |
| 23:23.06 | findlay | who thinks about *them*? |
| 23:23.13 | levi | Not people who build hardware. |
| 23:23.21 | levi | At least not mass-marketed hardware. |
| 23:23.54 | levi | You can have any hardware you want. If it's not mass-marketed hardware, though, it will be EXPENSIVE. |
| 23:24.03 | findlay | heh |
| 23:26.14 | levi | Components cost a fraction of the per-unit cost in bulk. There's a huge NRE cost up front for tooling a fab facility to build your boards, and that gets amortized across the number of units sold. Then, factor in prototyping and engineering costs... |
| 23:26.35 | Sargun | Over what range can a sniper be accurate? |
| 23:26.39 | findlay | but I bet those costs are coming down |
| 23:26.54 | levi | findlay: Which costs? |
| 23:26.58 | findlay | Sargun: a couple of miles |
| 23:27.25 | Sargun | findlay, really, wow? With only military weapons, right? |
| 23:27.27 | findlay | levi: the costs of design and initial production |
| 23:27.31 | Sargun | not with consumer grade stuff |
| 23:27.42 | findlay | with the best stuff |
| 23:28.04 | Sargun | hmm |
| 23:28.32 | levi | findlay: I don't think so, really. Not in real cost, at least. |
| 23:29.04 | levi | findlay: You see the end products becoming cheaper due to economies of scale and better production technology. |
| 23:29.34 | findlay | you don't think we've learned to think more efficiently about creation? |
| 23:29.52 | levi | Early-adopter gadgets are still pretty darn expensive. |
| 23:30.31 | findlay | but what if the methods and tools to create are themselves the products of mass production? |
| 23:30.35 | levi | findlay: To some degree, but there is still a lot of manual labor involved, and a lot of the engineering cost is paying engineers, who are still expensive. |
| 23:31.27 | levi | findlay: Technology becomes increasingly complex and harder to make, overcoming the benefits of better technology to make it. |
| 23:32.22 | levi | Semiconductor fabrication technology is certainly not mass produced. It's also mind-blowingly expensive. |
| 23:32.33 | levi | And is replaced entirely every few years. |
| 23:33.14 | findlay | all that will change when I invent the replicator |
| 23:33.37 | levi | Relatively cheap access to board-building houses is a boon to hobbyists these days, but it's still pretty darn expensive compared to buying a finished mass-produced gadget. |
| 23:33.59 | levi | And you can make semi-custom chips via CPLDs and FPGAs. |
| 23:38.58 | findlay | why is there no way to kill a zombie process? |
| 23:39.18 | levi | Anyway, trust me; hardware development is extremely expensive, and any small-quantity hardware that takes advantage of recent technology is going to be way more expensive than mass-market technology. |
| 23:41.12 | maquis | audrey tang is officially cool... |
| 23:41.21 | levi | findlay: Because it would break the contract that the kernel provides to userspace processes that call fork(). |
| 23:41.28 | levi | maquis: You liked the presentation? |
| 23:41.41 | maquis | levi: yeah... it was really interesting (and rather entertaining) |
| 23:42.06 | levi | I've only seen the slides she uses, which are a poor substitute for a presentation. |
| 23:42.07 | maquis | whoever said she has a really strong accent really needs to meet some of the people around here, though :) |
| 23:42.21 | maquis | levi: in other words, you've missed 90% of the jokes :) |
| 23:42.26 | findlay | maquis: where are you? |
| 23:42.41 | maquis | findlay: seattle |
| 23:42.58 | findlay | doesn't it just feel evil living there? |
| 23:42.58 | levi | findlay: You've forgotten that maquis is an Amazonian? |
| 23:43.09 | findlay | being so close to microsoft and all? |
| 23:43.11 | levi | Seattle doesn't feel evil at all. |
| 23:43.18 | levi | It mostly feels wet. |
| 23:43.26 | elg | hmm. anyone know how to plot geometric shapes quickly? e.g a cylinder (x-200)^2 + z^2=75^2 |
| 23:43.32 | maquis | the fun thing is, our managers tell us we *should* go to these types of things whenever possible |
| 23:43.41 | findlay | elg: blender, maybe? |
| 23:43.42 | levi | maquis: That's pretty cool. |
| 23:43.48 | maquis | findlay: redmond feels evil... seattle doesn't |
| 23:43.53 | maquis | levi: yeah |
| 23:43.55 | elg | findlay: um, i was thinking more like gnuplot |
| 23:44.03 | findlay | gnuplot will do it |
| 23:44.09 | elg | haven't figured out how |
| 23:44.11 | findlay | gnuplot rocks |
| 23:44.21 | maquis | my manager's really cool |
| 23:44.31 | levi | maquis: So, what was the presentation about? |
| 23:44.47 | maquis | perl6 and pugs... |
| 23:45.00 | maquis | went through the history of each, made fun of a bunch of other languages... etc |
| 23:45.23 | levi | It's pretty crazy how pugs got started. |
| 23:45.35 | maquis | yeah |
| 23:45.47 | levi | "Hmm, this textbook wants me to implement a toy language. I'll do perl!" |
| 23:45.49 | maquis | it all started with an order from amazon :) |
| 23:46.29 | elg | findlay: so do you know how to do it in gnuplot? |
| 23:46.41 | findlay | I've never done anything 3d yet |
| 23:46.58 | levi | Well, I think it really started with a desire to learn type theory, but the other makes a better anecdote for a talk at Amazon. ;) |
| 23:47.05 | maquis | :) |
| 23:49.20 | findlay | elg: this is from down your way: http://t16web.lanl.gov/Kawano/gnuplot/plotpm3d-e.html |
| 23:49.22 | levi | Grr, I don't want Punjabi and Tamil fonts! |
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| 23:50.59 | maquis | levi: what's installing them without your permission? |
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| 23:51.27 | elg | the ubuntu upgrade |
| 23:51.28 | levi | My upgrade to Edgy. I may already have them installed, and it's just upgrading them to new versions. I dunno. |
| 23:51.52 | elg | you sit there at 99% for what seems forever, watching things like all these fonts you don't want install. :) |
| 23:52.07 | maquis | lol |
| 23:53.54 | levi | Okay, time to reboot... |
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