| 00:05.38 | findlay | ~tock |
| 00:10.12 | maquis | bah... it's dark out |
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| 01:23.10 | mheath | I'm so nervous about Friday! bah. |
| 01:23.53 | findlay | ~nervate mheath |
| 01:24.02 | mheath | But I'm excited |
| 01:24.08 | mheath | if that doctor will clear me....... |
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| 01:24.26 | mheath | The recruiter is going to help me write a slightly-sugar-coated petition to the medical board |
| 01:24.32 | mheath | Requesting a waiver |
| 01:24.49 | mheath | and if that gets approved - which I'll known in about 2 weeks - I'm going to be in the Navy Reserves :) |
| 01:25.22 | brailsmt_ | how do I list all the ppl in the channel with irssi |
| 01:25.24 | mheath | Everything's just riding on this doctor visit. |
| 01:25.42 | nick125_lappy | brailsmt_: /names |
| 01:25.47 | brailsmt_ | thx |
| 01:25.54 | brailsmt_ | ~seen elg |
| 01:26.18 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@dhcp08.cs.nmsu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4h 6m 8s ago, saying: 'ibot: I'm mule-headed. tell me more'. |
| 01:26.18 | mheath | Bah, I'm trying hard to not get my hopes up |
| 01:26.19 | mheath | But I'm so excited |
| 01:26.19 | mheath | I didn't think this would happen. |
| 01:26.48 | mheath | I like my new cellphone. It's great. |
| 01:26.55 | mheath | (better be, I paid like $150 for it) |
| 01:26.57 | nick125_lappy | what is it? |
| 01:27.05 | mheath | A razor |
| 01:27.09 | mheath | (razr?) |
| 01:27.25 | mheath | nick125_lappy: what? |
| 01:27.31 | mheath | It was a cheap phone with good voice quality |
| 01:27.42 | mheath | Without all the billions of extras that most of their phones have |
| 01:27.53 | findlay | ~cheapify mheath |
| 01:27.55 | mheath | I was just looking on a cheaper phone that is good for TALKING on. |
| 01:29.37 | mheath | I couldn't find one phone there, though, that's just a phone |
| 01:29.57 | mheath | they all insist on haing some extra feature. VCast, or internet, or camera phone... |
| 01:30.08 | mheath | There was only 2 that didn't have a camera, actually. |
| 01:31.44 | mheath | Hey, anyone here good at web design? |
| 01:32.01 | mheath | I'm looking for some comments and suggestions on how I can improve an existing website |
| 01:46.31 | Tene | sure, just let me l"k at it on my phone... |
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| 01:56.27 | levi_home | So, Bryan Sant totally didn't get what I was saying. |
| 02:03.51 | mheath | Tene: haha. |
| 02:06.24 | mheath | they're going to make me run a PRT tonight, assuming this doctor says something good |
| 02:06.42 | mheath | So they can submit to the medical board.."Oh, it said he had a knee problem, but look, its better - he can even run a PRT!" |
| 02:15.58 | tensai | ~onjoin -tensai |
| 02:15.58 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 02:18.47 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
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| 02:23.10 | tensai | fight! fight! fight! |
| 02:24.01 | Keighvin | That's more like it. |
| 02:24.05 | mheath | ~lart Tensai |
| 02:24.24 | mheath | oorah that felt good |
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| 02:26.24 | Keighvin | Huh. I guess IRSSI is a little too resilient. |
| 02:26.43 | Keighvin | I'll have to go ssh into that machine and kill it later. |
| 02:26.51 | mheath | heh |
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| 02:32.14 | mheath | I'm so excited and so nervous =\ |
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| 02:33.58 | Keighvin | ~demote mheath |
| 02:33.59 | ibot | ACTION removes Marine from mheath's vocabulary. |
| 02:34.52 | mheath | Keighvin: not talkin about anything to do with the Corps :) |
| 02:35.15 | mheath | Keighvin: I might be enlisting in the Navy Reserve. I find out friday if I'm going to be elligible. |
| 02:35.47 | Keighvin | There's more to life if that doesn't work though. |
| 02:35.59 | mheath | Keighvin: I know |
| 02:36.04 | mheath | Note that it's reserves |
| 02:36.10 | mheath | Its not going to be my life, even if it does work out |
| 02:36.52 | Keighvin | More power to ya. |
| 02:37.07 | mheath | Thanks. I'm excited |
| 02:37.23 | mheath | Of course, it's all riding on what the doctor says on Friday. |
| 02:42.40 | Sargun | I do not understand normal people. |
| 02:43.50 | mheath | I don't think there is such a thing as a normal person, Sargun. |
| 02:44.02 | Sargun | your pretty normal |
| 02:44.25 | mheath | Sargun: I think your the only one in this room who holds that opinion :P |
| 02:44.30 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:46.18 | mheath | It's amazing how much about coding you can temporary forget without practice |
| 02:46.31 | mheath | If I haven't used a language for a while, I stumble along for a bit until I get back in the swing of things. |
| 02:46.31 | Sargun | mheath, you need cash? |
| 02:46.33 | Sargun | err |
| 02:46.36 | Sargun | oh |
| 02:46.42 | Sargun | nevermind, you don't know python |
| 02:48.05 | mheath | What in the world are you talking about? |
| 02:59.11 | mheath | bah, I can never get this right.....I always run into this same problem when layout out a page like this with CSS |
| 02:59.25 | mheath | I've figured the solution out twice now, but I always forget what I did the next time the problem presents itself. |
| 03:07.24 | levi_home | Now that I've responded to a rather ill-informed Java love-fest. |
| 03:08.49 | mheath | eh? |
| 03:10.28 | levi_home | I sent an email to the PLUG list a while ago cautioning people against blindly using threads for concurrency when other options are available. |
| 03:11.14 | levi_home | Bryan Sant replied, basically saying that Java solves all those problems, and Java threads are the answer to all concurrency problems. |
| 03:13.00 | levi_home | I tried to elaborate on the reasons behind what I was saying, and he replied again in a rather condescending way without really answering any of my points. |
| 03:13.18 | levi_home | So, I tried again. That'll be my last try. |
| 03:13.19 | elg | "الرجل بلا شنب كالقط بلا ذنب" |
| 03:13.40 | tensai | elg: ok... |
| 03:13.43 | elg | "A man without beard is like a cat without tail." |
| 03:15.19 | tensai | konversation wrote your line of text right to left |
| 03:17.55 | mheath | levi_home: Thats the reason I don't subscribe to the plug list |
| 03:18.03 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/konv.png |
| 03:18.04 | mheath | From what I hear, its all really pointless flamewars and stupid discussions. |
| 03:18.20 | mheath | I like Java, but I know it was problems, and I don't try to argue that its the solution to all problems. |
| 03:18.24 | tensai | funny, I hear the same thing about Hurd |
| 03:21.09 | brailsmt_ | i am cuyrrently working on the piece of crap^H^H^Hode that has a 2000 line function, of which 1700 lines are in a switch, and there are goto within the switch, and global shared memory, and global variables, all within a multothreaded app |
| 03:21.27 | brailsmt_ | wheeeee |
| 03:21.34 | levi_home | Ow. |
| 03:22.12 | brailsmt_ | no boundary checking on arrays, no defensive programming at all... |
| 03:22.18 | mheath | ew, no wonder this page is so ugly... |
| 03:22.27 | elg | -lart brailsmt_ |
| 03:22.27 | brailsmt_ | maybe i shouldn't tell you who my employer is :o |
| 03:22.29 | levi_home | brailsmt_: Got a maintenance programming job? |
| 03:22.38 | mheath | <meta name="generator" content="Dreamweaver MX V6.1" /> |
| 03:22.46 | brailsmt_ | i switch to a new team on Friday |
| 03:22.55 | mheath | Thats back in the day when Dreamweaver spat out invalid HTML and liked to mess with existing HTML in ugly ways |
| 03:23.53 | brailsmt_ | levi_home: unfortunately yes, the scary part is that this app is on the critical path for hospitals... |
| 03:25.07 | brailsmt_ | levi_home: though starting friday, I will begin working on new development on the middleware team which just ported our app to HPUX and Linux :) |
| 03:25.23 | brailsmt_ | so I am happy to be coding C/C++ in a unix environment |
| 03:25.28 | brailsmt_ | err, very happy |
| 03:27.26 | levi_home | Hmmm. I don't know that that would make me very happy. |
| 03:28.20 | maquis | tensai: what? |
| 03:29.19 | brailsmt_ | levi_home: why not? you don't like c/c++ unix dev? |
| 03:29.49 | maquis | tensai: it's not my fault... |
| 03:29.54 | tensai | maquis: sorry about the power outage. wanna send me a ups? |
| 03:30.11 | levi_home | brailsmt_: No, not really, though it beats C/C++ windows development. |
| 03:31.22 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:31.39 | maquis | tensai: you guys were out for a while |
| 03:31.59 | brailsmt_ | levi_home: what's your preference? |
| 03:32.29 | tensai | maquis: nah, my server just didn't appreciate the power bump. my wife had to power cycle it a couple times. |
| 03:32.38 | maquis | ah |
| 03:32.45 | mheath | bbiab |
| 03:35.05 | brailsmt_ | btw, OpenVMS gives MS Windows a good run for its money for pure suckage |
| 03:37.15 | levi_home | brailsmt_: I prefer languages like Lisp, Scheme, OCaml, Haskell, etc. |
| 03:37.32 | brailsmt_ | levi_home: yeah, but do you get paid for programming them? |
| 03:37.54 | brailsmt_ | i prefer ruby, but i haven't swung a paying job with them yet... |
| 03:38.52 | brailsmt_ | anyone up for a game of bzflag? |
| 03:39.04 | levi_home | brailsmt_: Well, occasionally I get to use one of them at work. I often do have to write in C, though. |
| 03:41.11 | maquis | mmmm... C |
| 03:42.35 | levi_home | maquis: Tsk. :) |
| 03:56.20 | tensai | maquis: still having password problems? |
| 04:08.40 | Newsome | Anyone looking for a job as a Unix/MacOSX Engineer/Python developer? |
| 04:14.08 | elg | s/python/ruby/ and I'd say no, but it sounds interesting |
| 04:14.09 | elg | :) |
| 04:14.34 | nick125_lappy | python totally owns ruby in maturity, and syntax |
| 04:16.51 | Newsome | well, when you're all willing to admit you're interested...let me know :) |
| 04:25.30 | brailsmt_ | nick125_lappy: that sounds like flamebait... |
| 04:25.40 | brailsmt_ | nick125_lappy: you should control yourself... |
| 04:31.08 | maquis | tensai: don't ask |
| 04:31.23 | maquis | i just spent an hour trying to fix my mom's computer |
| 04:31.40 | maquis | her laptop has a corrupted file (causing her to panic) |
| 04:31.53 | tensai | you forgot her password too? |
| 04:32.20 | maquis | and the family compputer (a g4 cube) has a cd that's been in the computer for months (probably close to 8 months now) and she tried to take it out today and it won't come out |
| 04:33.33 | maquis | does anybody know a trick to force an eject on the slot-based cdrom drives (as opposed to the tray ones) |
| 04:34.07 | tensai | is there one of those manual eject holes you can put a paperclip in? |
| 04:34.15 | maquis | i don't see one |
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| 04:34.36 | maquis | the weird thing is... even after the computer claimed the disk had been ejected, it was still spinning |
| 04:35.00 | tensai | time to take it apart |
| 04:36.29 | mheath | Wow...I'll get toally engrossed working on coding |
| 04:36.38 | mheath | Hours will pass and it will get late, and I won't notice. |
| 04:37.17 | maquis | the cdrom still works |
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| 04:54.03 | mheath | I do like the progress I made on this website :) |
| 04:54.17 | mheath | I like what I'm doing...... |
| 04:54.34 | mheath | The guy who mainly maintained this site up to now is convinced that its basic look is great the way it is (it isn't) |
| 04:54.39 | findlay | mheath: what are you doing? |
| 04:54.49 | mheath | Mine incorporates his design but thoroughly reworks everything, too. |
| 04:55.13 | mheath | findlay: I'm working on a new, revamped, dynamic content website for the USNSCC youth group I work with as an adult leader. |
| 04:55.20 | mheath | findlay: the current website is at www.utahseacadets.org |
| 04:55.34 | findlay | how is this possible |
| 04:55.46 | findlay | strange |
| 04:56.13 | mheath | findlay: First, I'm getting rid of his ugly three-pane (two navigation bars and content) design |
| 04:56.36 | findlay | OK, so I plugged the ethernet cable into eth1 and restarted the device and I knew it wouldn't work, and it didn't |
| 04:56.43 | mheath | THe site is going to have 3 different sections, accessible from a portal page. One for recruiting for the NSCC (older group), one for recruiting for the NLCC (younger group), and one for dynamic conctent for the current cadets. |
| 04:56.53 | mheath | That slims down the page a lot. |
| 04:57.10 | mheath | His same blue-and-gold graphics will stay |
| 04:57.13 | findlay | so I plugged it into eth0 and started it |
| 04:57.18 | mheath | but, the navigation will be reworked |
| 04:57.21 | findlay | then eth0 timed out |
| 04:57.34 | mheath | things slimed down, modernized, cleaned up, and a couple minor polishes added. |
| 04:57.42 | findlay | but simultaneously to eth0 timing out, eth1 came up |
| 04:58.05 | findlay | the kernel had switched the numbering of the devices (again) |
| 04:58.34 | findlay | but supposedly the eth1 MAC is bound to my public IP |
| 04:58.48 | mheath | I'm trying to decide on what scripting language to use for my dynamic webpages.... |
| 04:58.52 | mheath | Probably going to have to be php |
| 04:59.02 | mheath | I dislike PHP, but I don't think the server supports perl or python |
| 04:59.10 | mheath | (Why do they all start with p?) |
| 04:59.10 | findlay | guess it wasn't necessary. Fortunately, I'm the only person in this apartment complex competent enough to know what that means |
| 04:59.14 | findlay | (-: |
| 04:59.23 | mheath | Heh. |
| 04:59.37 | findlay | mheath: there's nothing wrong with php if you use it intelligently |
| 05:00.03 | mheath | be right back |
| 05:01.50 | mheath | bah, I HATE web development |
| 05:02.02 | mheath | Wait, can't use that CSS tag, IE doesn't support that one! |
| 05:02.17 | mheath | Oops, got to resave that images as GIF, IE doesn't support PNG transparency! |
| 05:02.47 | mheath | Oh, rats, my page lookes messed up in Firefox and okay in IE, with no logical way to fix that |
| 05:02.58 | mheath | I'm tired to taking the roundabout way and making my code look disgusting. |
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| 05:09.45 | mheath | I love having more RAM! |
| 05:09.48 | mheath | I'm so happy I upgraded |
| 05:10.16 | mheath | I can have Eclipse, Dreamweaver, Firefox, Thunderbird, X-Chat, GIMP, and others all running concurrently |
| 05:10.20 | mheath | No problems or slow downs :) |
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| 05:12.49 | herlo | so I am looking to do a network based installation of Ubuntu. But I'd like to do it by booting a CD, then choosing the source from which I'll install. Most of the installation recommendations suggest debootstrap. It's great and all, but it's usually done via PXE. |
| 05:13.20 | herlo | Does anyone have any suggestion / urls where I might find something similar to what I am looking for using a CD/USB Solution? |
| 05:14.10 | mheath | herlo: Maybe do a minimal install off the CD, then mount NFS shares or whatever and apt-get the rest? |
| 05:14.31 | mheath | Or |
| 05:14.52 | mheath | I believe the ubuntu LiveCD unionfs's in the ramdisk, right? |
| 05:15.06 | mheath | I think that on the ubuntu live-cd, it just as the apt sources.list set to local stuff |
| 05:15.11 | mheath | Edit the sources.list for network locations |
| 05:16.40 | mheath | herlo: infact, it looks like the alternative-install CD used to support this kind of install directly |
| 05:17.01 | mheath | That was back in breezy days, though...no idea if this is still supported. |
| 05:22.55 | mheath | herlo: and anyway, debootstrap bootstraps a debian based system. It does not imply booting over the network via PXE. |
| 05:23.26 | mheath | Take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies which details installing by booting off of floppies then using debootstrap. |
| 05:23.33 | mheath | OK, time to go to sleep. Really. Goodnight |
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| 07:05.34 | Sargun | what? |
| 07:06.27 | Tene | 00:52 * Tene tests something |
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| 09:19.18 | Trevor_ | hello |
| 09:19.22 | Trevor_ | any one up |
| 10:45.42 | Tene | Hmm. |
| 10:45.54 | Tene | I could totally register thisisnotmyrealemailaddress.net |
| 12:29.45 | emcnabb | Tene: you should |
| 12:50.30 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 12:50.32 | maquis | stupid mornings |
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| 14:24.56 | Sargun | should I wear a good shirt, that I'll freeze in until noon, or a crappy shirt that I'll boil in after noon |
| 14:26.03 | Sargun | What are you allowed to wear over a polo shirt? |
| 14:26.17 | Sargun | err |
| 14:26.23 | Sargun | supposed to |
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| 14:31.55 | mheath | Sargun: a large pink peacoat. |
| 14:32.02 | mheath | Oversized. Nice and baggy. |
| 14:32.59 | Sargun | mheath, Did I ever tell you how much I love you ;-) |
| 14:34.20 | mheath | ooh, sore today :( |
| 14:34.41 | mheath | Haven't been working out for the last month and a half....and I'm going to have to run a PRT for the Navy recruiter next week |
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| 14:47.34 | goozbach | ~dict smb |
| 14:48.13 | goozbach | small medium business |
| 14:50.32 | goozbach | Sargun: you realize you're asking for fashion advice from a channel on irc, right? |
| 14:51.06 | levi | Sargun: You could probably wear a v-neck sweater over a polo shirt. |
| 14:51.37 | levi | Or any kind of sweater, really. |
| 14:51.55 | levi | Or a sweatshirt. |
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| 14:52.53 | scothoser | Morning everyone! |
| 14:53.00 | goozbach | wear an a-shirt |
| 14:53.12 | goozbach | over your polo |
| 14:53.22 | goozbach | that'd be pimp |
| 14:58.33 | mheath | morning scothoser |
| 14:58.45 | mheath | bah, I need to not start wokring on a coding project right before I go to work |
| 14:58.52 | mheath | I get so engrossed, it's hard to pull myself away. |
| 14:58.55 | graphyx | what's an ashirt? |
| 14:58.59 | mheath | wait, I just need to make one more change! :P |
| 14:59.52 | levi | That's the problem with coding before bed, too. |
| 15:00.23 | mheath | levi: thats the reason I didn't get nearly as much sleep last night as I should have :P |
| 15:00.25 | levi | The only solution is to learn to pull yourself away from it, because you're always coding before /something/ that ought to take priority over it. |
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| 16:01.25 | Keighvin | Morning, all. |
| 16:02.17 | scothoser | Morning Keighvin! |
| 16:02.24 | levi | Oh my: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yJ-bnIKbOwM&mode=related&search= |
| 16:02.49 | levi | A one-man Star Trek/Ruby play. |
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| 16:09.35 | levi | elg: Did you see the link I just mentioned? |
| 16:09.38 | levi | ~links |
| 16:09.39 | ibot | Lynx-like text WWW browser. URL: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 16:09.43 | levi | Hmm. |
| 16:09.44 | elg | -links |
| 16:09.45 | elg | -urls |
| 16:09.46 | brac | [2006/09/01 18:25:57] <atoponce> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_programming_language |
| 16:09.46 | brac | [2006/09/01 18:20:18] <harleypig> http://www.teamhoyt.com/ |
| 16:09.46 | brac | [2006/09/01 14:41:51] <rsimpkins> http://www.arrivaltel.com/ |
| 16:09.46 | brac | [2006/09/01 14:23:46] <harleypig> http://qdb.us/64488 |
| 16:09.53 | elg | hm |
| 16:10.00 | jakea | how about the BSG elg? |
| 16:10.05 | levi | http://youtube.com/watch?v=yJ-bnIKbOwM&mode=related&search= |
| 16:10.08 | elg | i don't watch it |
| 16:10.24 | elg | but I'm sure it was a fascinating way of telling no story at all |
| 16:10.42 | herlo | ~whaleslap elg for such thoughts.... |
| 16:10.43 | ibot | ACTION beats elg for such thoughts.... upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:12.21 | emcnabb | ~lart jakea |
| 16:19.56 | elg | jakea: i am your scifi correspondant, just not for bsg. :) |
| 16:20.18 | elg | I watched the first season (in the span of oh 3 days), and while it was interesting it was just moving too slow |
| 16:20.32 | elg | levi: pretty amusing |
| 16:21.08 | levi | It's pretty sad when a show is moving too slow even when watched over the course of 3 days. |
| 16:22.57 | mheath | time to head to work. Have a great day, everyone. |
| 16:23.35 | jakea | elg: oh wait, you and I talked Dr. Who, didn't we? |
| 16:23.42 | elg | jakea: yah |
| 16:24.23 | jakea | I watched the first two eps of Torchwood, the spinoff |
| 16:24.57 | elg | and? |
| 16:25.18 | jakea | sci-fi, good. The more grown up parts.... enough to make me want to stop watching |
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| 16:25.38 | elg | that's kind of the impression I got |
| 16:25.43 | elg | from the talk |
| 16:25.58 | levi | Yow, this is kinda crazy: http://www.eweek.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=191975,00.asp |
| 16:26.47 | elg | hehe |
| 16:27.14 | jakea | ya..... f-bomb 5 - 6 times and plenty of innuendo to make you blush. Some people may like it, I see it as a lack of creativity |
| 16:27.48 | elg | huzzah for british children |
| 16:28.07 | jakea | ya, they seem to all like it, the forums I've been on praise it |
| 16:29.20 | elg | i watch some british professor's blog. she's been watching it and thinks about the same as you, although I guess she's just wishing it were less adult but will probably continue watching |
| 16:31.06 | jakea | ya, there was one scene in it that made the scene between Baltar and 6 at the beginning of the BSG mini look tame |
| 16:31.34 | jakea | and I just rolled my eyes and said, this is the best they came up with? |
| 16:32.21 | jakea | but there are several Who references in it, so I may just be reading episode summaries to keep up on those |
| 16:37.42 | jakea | my friend at worked who got it for me called it pornwood |
| 16:39.32 | maquis | so, when i try to copy something from windows... |
| 16:39.35 | maquis | i have to use ctrl-c |
| 16:39.55 | maquis | and i keep having troubles with that because in my mind, ctrl-c is for when you want to kill a process |
| 16:41.22 | maquis | it's also annoying that some certain programs think that <escape> means "close the window", and, in a few cases i've run into, "close the window without saving" |
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| 16:44.19 | [phoenyx] | anyone have a good edgy eft torrent? |
| 16:45.33 | findlay | all the torrents I've seen weren't ripe yet |
| 16:47.39 | maquis | ~yee haw! |
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| 17:01.39 | graphyx | http://bitsandpieces1.blogspot.com/2006/10/big-mac-pumpkin.html |
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| 17:03.04 | graphyx | redbeard1: http://bitsandpieces1.blogspot.com/2006/10/big-mac-pumpkin.html |
| 17:03.33 | levi | That's a mega meat patty right there. |
| 17:06.54 | redbeard1 | graphyx: dude. that almost looks tasty. the bun looks a little hard tho. |
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| 17:19.50 | elg | it's not necessarily a full-size jackolantern pumpkin |
| 17:19.55 | elg | take your size cues from the tomatoes |
| 17:20.08 | elg | and cheese/lettuce |
| 17:20.14 | elg | it's still big |
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| 17:40.06 | xbmodder | hiya all! |
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| 17:41.55 | levi | Hello. |
| 17:42.07 | nick125- | Morning everyone |
| 17:42.28 | levi | Morning. |
| 17:43.11 | graphyx | morning? |
| 17:43.36 | nick125- | its almost afternoon, but, still the same |
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| 17:52.56 | elg | anyone here have matlab or access to it? |
| 17:53.57 | emcnabb | elg: the CS dept labs have it (or had) |
| 17:54.01 | emcnabb | you still have access? |
| 17:54.02 | xbmodder | Hey! |
| 17:54.17 | elg | let's find out |
| 17:54.17 | xbmodder | What be up all you mostly normal people! |
| 17:54.20 | elg | the linux boxes? |
| 17:54.36 | findlay | ugh, matlab |
| 17:54.43 | xbmodder | (Btw: |BF2142 is here, he |
| 17:54.47 | xbmodder | (Btw: |BF2142| is here, he |
| 17:54.52 | mrpull | elg: i bought a copy 7 or 8 years ago... does it need to be current? |
| 17:54.59 | xbmodder | also crussel, and some other guy too. |
| 17:55.04 | elg | mrpull: no, I don't think so |
| 17:55.14 | xbmodder | And freshmen man |
| 17:55.16 | elg | I am just curious if I've found a bug in an octave function |
| 17:55.20 | findlay | stale, brittle matlab |
| 17:55.49 | elg | emcnabb: looks like I'm locked out, or forgot my password |
| 17:55.50 | mrpull | it might not be easy to find... it is likely in a box in my basement |
| 17:56.07 | xbmodder | :-( |
| 17:56.16 | elg | np. |
| 17:59.36 | graphyx | elg: Can't you just do it by hand and compare the results? |
| 17:59.40 | graphyx | <evil grin> |
| 18:00.01 | elg | graphyx it looks broken to me, but it might be emulating matlab behavior |
| 18:00.07 | elg | it's a matter of axes |
| 18:00.15 | graphyx | Don't use an ax on it. |
| 18:00.21 | graphyx | That won't solve anything. |
| 18:01.31 | mrpull | isn't there a Free Matlab clone by now? |
| 18:02.27 | graphyx | I think he is trying to validate a free matlab clone. |
| 18:02.36 | mrpull | ahh |
| 18:03.09 | mrpull | i haven't done anything sophisticated enough to need matlab in too long |
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| 18:15.32 | atoponce | http://www.firefoxparty.com |
| 18:15.56 | findlay | ~party atoponce |
| 18:16.14 | atoponce | sweet |
| 18:17.00 | findlay | ~party |
| 18:17.04 | ibot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
| 18:17.06 | mrpull | i don't know many women that'd wear a firefox shirt |
| 18:17.07 | atoponce | ~order streamers |
| 18:17.35 | atoponce | mrpull: not very feminine, is it? |
| 18:18.15 | atoponce | maquis: would you wear that shirt? |
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| 18:58.02 | herlo | atoponce: we should buy a bunch of the FF shirts and give them away as Christmas presents.... |
| 18:58.16 | elg | oracle: how not to adopt open source |
| 18:58.21 | findlay | ha |
| 18:58.50 | findlay | elg: did you read Grant's email? |
| 18:59.04 | elg | yeah |
| 18:59.14 | elg | and I totally agree with it |
| 19:00.14 | findlay | is False an internal python typedef or something? |
| 19:00.28 | elg | probably, and __FaLsE__ probably is too |
| 19:01.52 | findlay | so `if False: print "false.\n"` wouldn't print 'false.\n'? |
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| 19:06.28 | levi | False is not a type, it is a value. |
| 19:06.42 | findlay | what type is its value? |
| 19:07.03 | findlay | or, of what type is it a value? |
| 19:07.07 | levi | try type(False) and find out. |
| 19:07.14 | findlay | no way |
| 19:07.16 | findlay | that's too hard |
| 19:07.17 | levi | I'll bet you can guess, though! |
| 19:07.35 | findlay | gaah! I'm tearning my mind apart trying to reason it out |
| 19:08.03 | levi | psst. It's named after a guy whose last name starts with 'B'. |
| 19:08.19 | scothoser | Is anyone in the room currently in the U's CS Department? |
| 19:08.40 | redbeard1 | i think that scothoser guy is |
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| 19:09.11 | scothoser | redbeard1: Not yet, give me another semester or so. ^_^ |
| 19:09.13 | findlay | Caley and Sylvester |
| 19:09.34 | scothoser | I'm just wondering if they had received the recent survey from the Department, and what they thought of it. |
| 19:09.54 | redbeard1 | scothoser: it's bunk, robb! bunk! |
| 19:10.19 | mrpull | Python Language Reference: "the Boolean type is a subtype of plain integers" |
| 19:10.24 | scothoser | redbeard1: At least it's not fluff. ^_^ |
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| 19:10.32 | mrpull | interesting... I don't think of bool's as numbers |
| 19:10.41 | levi | That is kind of weird. |
| 19:11.19 | findlay | they can be considered as a subset of integers |
| 19:11.38 | mrpull | findlay: that is the explanation... 1 or 0 |
| 19:11.41 | levi | I guess that is because True is equal to 1 and False is equal to 0. |
| 19:12.02 | mrpull | http://docs.python.org/ref/types.html#l2h-161 if interested |
| 19:12.06 | findlay | or 0 for false and [1,\infty) for true |
| 19:12.23 | levi | findlay: Those are possible, but in python they are 0 and 1. |
| 19:12.33 | findlay | or 0 for false and (-\infty,-1] U [1,\infty) for true |
| 19:14.24 | levi | In scheme, booleans have their own type. #t is true and #f is false. |
| 19:14.24 | levi | Neither of them are equal to anything else. |
| 19:14.55 | calvarez2 | hmm, what happened to ibot? |
| 19:15.54 | findlay | ibot: what happened? |
| 19:15.55 | ibot | sorry, my owner was issuing a beating to me in the other channel :( |
| 19:16.03 | graphyx | findlay: he is off scheming... |
| 19:16.09 | calvarez2 | oh |
| 19:16.12 | calvarez2 | hmm |
| 19:16.29 | findlay | ibot: I thought you could be concurrent in several channels, simulating omiscience |
| 19:16.31 | ibot | You thought you could be concurrent in several channels, simulating omiscience? |
| 19:16.31 | graphyx | ibot, what happened? |
| 19:16.32 | ibot | sorry, my owner was issuing a beating to me in the other channel :( |
| 19:16.44 | graphyx | It's a canned response.. |
| 19:16.46 | graphyx | ~gender |
| 19:16.47 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 19:16.52 | calvarez2 | lol |
| 19:16.57 | graphyx | ~gender |
| 19:16.59 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 19:17.58 | findlay | ibot: no, I thought you could |
| 19:18.13 | calvarez | ~seen hhhhh |
| 19:18.19 | ibot | hhhhh <n=Hhhhh@158.91.201.220> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 126d 22h 39m 8s ago, saying: 'what do you recommend, doing wxWidgets in C++ or using wxPython? Also explain why'. |
| 19:18.23 | findlay | ibot: I didn't know you could work a can opener |
| 19:18.24 | ibot | You didn't know you could work a can opener? |
| 19:19.21 | calvarez | findlay, is it possible to add more commands to ibot? |
| 19:19.44 | findlay | yes |
| 19:19.45 | calvarez | like, ~handshake or something |
| 19:19.53 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.54 | calvarez | can anybody do it, or just the owner? |
| 19:20.10 | graphyx | anyone can. |
| 19:20.42 | findlay | anyone can hand ibot another can |
| 19:20.51 | calvarez | well, if I do a help, it lists all the current commands. How do I add a new command? |
| 19:21.11 | findlay | ~ibot |
| 19:21.13 | ibot | methinks ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:21.32 | findlay | look up source? (: |
| 19:21.44 | calvarez | oh |
| 19:22.14 | calvarez | hmm, any tutorials or short explanations for the self-motivationally impaired? |
| 19:22.41 | calvarez | I prefer the digest version of RTFM |
| 19:22.52 | calvarez | the pocket version |
| 19:24.28 | calvarez | ibot, you suck |
| 19:24.29 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 19:24.43 | calvarez | ~wtf |
| 19:25.29 | graphyx | basically it is ibot, action $foo is <reply> (string...) $foo (optional second string...) |
| 19:26.50 | Keighvin | You can actually deconstruct the internal mechanisms: |
| 19:27.01 | Keighvin | ibot: literal CMD: whaleslap (.*?) |
| 19:27.02 | ibot | "cmd: whaleslap (.*?)" is "($foo): <action> beats $foo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh" |
| 19:27.30 | atoponce | herlo: good idea |
| 19:28.17 | atoponce | now that i think about it, i am actually considering it |
| 19:29.33 | calvarez | graphyx, can you give me an example of setting a new command with ibot? |
| 19:29.38 | calvarez | I'm trying but it won'r work |
| 19:35.38 | graphyx | ibot, calverez $who is calverez needs an ibot manual |
| 19:35.40 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 19:35.46 | graphyx | ~calverez |
| 19:35.59 | calvarez | it's calvarez |
| 19:36.02 | calvarez | ~calvarez |
| 19:36.04 | ibot | you are probably sucky at quoting |
| 19:36.06 | calvarez | ~calverez |
| 19:36.16 | graphyx | ibot, calverez $who is <reply> $who hands calvarez an ibot manual. |
| 19:36.17 | ibot | calverez needs an ibot manual |
| 19:36.22 | graphyx | ~calverez me |
| 19:36.23 | ibot | calverez needs an ibot manual |
| 19:36.38 | calvarez | it's calvArez |
| 19:36.39 | graphyx | ibot, forget calverez |
| 19:36.39 | ibot | graphyx: i didn't have anything called 'calverez' to forget |
| 19:36.55 | graphyx | calvarez: I mistyped... but demoed it well enough, eh? |
| 19:37.10 | graphyx | ibot, forget calverez $who |
| 19:37.10 | ibot | graphyx: i didn't have anything called 'calverez $who' to forget |
| 19:37.19 | graphyx | hmm... I don't know how to delete stuff. |
| 19:37.23 | graphyx | I'm not that great at it. |
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| 19:39.19 | calvarez | ibot, blamebush ($1) is Obviously, the Bush administration is responsible for ($1). |
| 19:39.21 | ibot | i already had it that way, calvarez |
| 19:39.32 | calvarez | ~blamebush my ingrown toenail |
| 19:39.38 | calvarez | meh |
| 19:39.44 | calvarez | ibot, you suck |
| 19:39.45 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 19:39.51 | redbeard1 | ~gatech |
| 19:39.52 | ibot | somebody said gatech was where calvarez is? |
| 19:40.06 | calvarez | redbeard1, how do you handle passing strings? |
| 19:40.27 | calvarez | ibot, blamebush is Obviously, the Bush administration is responsible for ($1). |
| 19:40.28 | ibot | calvarez: okay |
| 19:40.29 | redbeard1 | calvarez: dunno. i'm not very good at it |
| 19:40.37 | calvarez | ~blamebush my ingrown toenail |
| 19:40.57 | calvarez | ibot, stupid |
| 19:40.58 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif, or ibot |
| 19:41.44 | calvarez | ibot, forget blamebush |
| 19:41.45 | ibot | i forgot blamebush, calvarez |
| 19:42.09 | calvarez | ibot, forget blamebush ($1) |
| 19:42.09 | ibot | calvarez: i didn't have anything called 'blamebush ($1)' to forget |
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| 19:46.38 | graphyx | ibot, blamebush $foo is <reply> Obviously, the current administration is at fault for $foo. |
| 19:46.41 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 19:47.11 | graphyx | blamebush the fact that calvaraz can't program me. |
| 19:52.27 | graphyx | ~blamebush the fact that calvarez can't program. |
| 19:52.29 | ibot | Obviously, the current administration is at fault for the fact that calvarez can't program.. |
| 19:52.42 | graphyx | s/program/program me/ |
| 20:00.20 | elg | hey nifty, edgy just released and has firefox 2, gaim 2 (beta), upstart, and the latest gnome (of course) |
| 20:02.43 | elg | so I need to download ubuntu on CD for a friend |
| 20:02.57 | elg | but I also want to take advantage of downloading it for updating my ubuntu box |
| 20:03.16 | elg | iow I don't want to d/l twice. |
| 20:05.40 | findlay | if you upload it once, does that count against one download? |
| 20:06.27 | Tene | the CDs don't usually have the latest updates, elg. |
| 20:10.36 | Tene | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/DalekPumpkin |
| 20:15.56 | calvarez | haaaha |
| 20:16.41 | calvarez | ~blamebush calvarez's ingrown toenail |
| 20:16.43 | ibot | Obviously, the current administration is at fault for calvarez's ingrown toenail. |
| 20:17.55 | calvarez | ibot, blamebush $foo is <reply> Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for $foo. |
| 20:17.56 | ibot | Obviously, the current administration is at fault for $foo is <reply> Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for $foo.. |
| 20:18.04 | calvarez | ack |
| 20:18.08 | calvarez | ibot, forget blamebush |
| 20:18.08 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'blamebush' to forget, calvarez |
| 20:18.19 | calvarez | ibot, blamebush $foo is <reply> Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for $foo. |
| 20:18.20 | ibot | Obviously, the current administration is at fault for $foo is <reply> Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for $foo.. |
| 20:18.30 | calvarez | ibot, forget blamebush $foo |
| 20:18.30 | ibot | calvarez: i didn't have anything called 'blamebush $foo' to forget |
| 20:18.51 | calvarez | ibot, you suck |
| 20:18.52 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 20:19.31 | Keighvin | ibot: forget CMD: blamebush (.*?) |
| 20:19.32 | ibot | Keighvin: i forgot cmd: blamebush (.*?) |
| 20:20.06 | Keighvin | Altering a literal command after the fact is a little more difficult. |
| 20:20.44 | Keighvin | ibot, blamebush $foo is <reply> Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for $foo. |
| 20:20.45 | ibot | Keighvin: okay |
| 20:21.04 | Keighvin | ~blamebush the DOW industrial average. |
| 20:21.05 | ibot | Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for the DOW industrial average.. |
| 20:21.11 | Keighvin | ~blamebush the DOW industrial average |
| 20:21.12 | ibot | Obviously, the Bush administration is at fault for the DOW industrial average. |
| 20:21.22 | Keighvin | Tada! |
| 20:21.33 | mrpull | what's wrong with the DOW? |
| 20:23.32 | mrpull | are three successsive weeks of record highs a bad thing? |
| 20:23.35 | calvarez | hahaha |
| 20:23.47 | Jayce^ | mrpull, only when everything I have is unvested :) |
| 20:23.48 | calvarez | I knew that command would liven up the room |
| 20:25.16 | Keighvin | Once it actually worked... |
| 20:25.20 | Keighvin | ;) |
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| 20:31.56 | goozbach | doh |
| 20:32.00 | goozbach | un vestesd |
| 20:36.20 | macnewbold | does your vesting depend on the current price at the time it vests? |
| 20:38.30 | Jayce^ | actually, I have a bit, but just holding out for more myself.. |
| 20:40.21 | Keighvin | Jayce^: You're lucky, I've got almost another year before I've got any. |
| 20:40.23 | Jayce^ | thbbttt... |
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| 20:40.50 | Jayce^ | espp next week will be good :) |
| 20:41.20 | Jayce^ | Anybody here heard of a band called "Venus Hum" before? |
| 20:44.27 | Keighvin | Neiin. |
| 20:44.52 | Keighvin | s/ii/i/ |
| 20:46.21 | goozbach | ~magic Jayce^ |
| 20:49.21 | Tene | "magic" or "more magic"? |
| 20:56.24 | herlo | can't seem to burn the edgy isos to my CD-RW with K3b, any other suggestions? |
| 20:56.52 | Tene | herlo: what happens when you try? |
| 21:07.48 | goozbach | Tene: I switched him from "more magic" to "magice" |
| 21:14.12 | goozbach | time for me to get a new battrie |
| 21:15.04 | goozbach | total time usable for the laptop :46 |
| 21:15.40 | mrpull | goozbach: have you "calibrated" it recently? |
| 21:16.10 | goozbach | mrpull: how does one do that? |
| 21:19.34 | mrpull | goozbach: more that anything it is just charging it to full and letting the battery run all the way dead |
| 21:19.40 | mrpull | what brand of notebook is it? |
| 21:22.00 | goozbach | mrpull: IBM T42 |
| 21:22.44 | goozbach | mrpull: i know that as "conditioning" |
| 21:24.44 | mrpull | yeah... same thing |
| 21:32.34 | mrpull | I was convinced one of my batteries was bad, until I did a couple conditioning cycles. I was skeptical, but it worked. |
| 21:34.07 | Keighvin | That's nickel/metal hydride for ya. |
| 21:34.55 | mrpull | Keighvin: yeah, except for these batteries are Lithium-Ion |
| 21:35.08 | mheath | yah, great day. |
| 21:35.09 | macnewbold | a similar process works on Li-Ion too |
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| 21:47.04 | Keighvin | macnewbold: Although, supposedly, Li-Ion doesn't suffer the "memory" effects the same way. |
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| 21:50.31 | mrpull | Keighvin: HP describes it like this: "Short discharges and recharges do not fully synchronize the battery's fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. This can result in the amount of power available in one cycle being less than expected or the battery meter being inaccurate." |
| 21:50.50 | mrpull | Again, I was skeptical, but it definitely made a difference on my machine |
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| 22:10.38 | macnewbold | some battery chargers come with a built in conditioning system, either automatic or push-button |
| 22:19.03 | levi | elg: ping |
| 22:19.39 | levi | elg: Speaking of the poor British kids: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=412195&in_page_id=17 |
| 22:20.22 | mrpull | levi: I saw that. What a mess! |
| 22:20.25 | maquis | ~lart top-posters |
| 22:23.56 | findlay | ~lart side-posters |
| 22:39.46 | maquis | -lart findlay |
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| 22:40.12 | Sargun | hey all, anyone a psych major here? |
| 22:40.20 | maquis | uh |
| 22:40.40 | Sargun | macnewbold, you? |
| 22:40.41 | Sargun | er |
| 22:40.42 | Sargun | maquis, |
| 22:40.52 | maquis | no |
| 22:41.04 | maquis | it was just a random question |
| 22:44.16 | Sargun | Heh |
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| 22:53.26 | maquis | ~lart Newsome |
| 22:53.35 | Newsome | hey! |
| 23:06.33 | tensai | yowza! this upgrade to edgy look like it may be painful. has anybody successfully upgraded from dapper to edgy? |
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| 23:16.58 | Keighvin | ~lart stuff. |
| 23:17.11 | Keighvin | ~lart stuff |
| 23:17.21 | Keighvin | ~lart me for insisting on punctuating in places that are inappropriate for ibot's commands |
| 23:17.35 | Keighvin | ~lart me |
| 23:17.46 | maquis | ~lart Keighvin |
| 23:17.48 | Keighvin | Hu. The ~lart $foo for... command doesn't interpolate "me" |
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| 23:22.11 | graphyx | how do I start a ftp server using inetd on debian? |
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| 23:25.30 | emcnabb | pmcnabb: it's about time you join us |
| 23:25.50 | graphyx | emcnabb: any help with inetd stuff? |
| 23:26.00 | emcnabb | ? |
| 23:26.02 | pmcnabb | it has been a while hasn't it, emcnabb? |
| 23:26.12 | emcnabb | yes, it has |
| 23:27.18 | pmcnabb | school and work take up a lot of time |
| 23:32.44 | Sargun | New! |
| 23:32.44 | Sargun | Hey! |
| 23:32.50 | Sargun | pmcnabb, which nabb is this? |
| 23:33.34 | pmcnabb | the better one |
| 23:33.49 | graphyx | P mcnabb obviously |
| 23:34.05 | maquis | ~lart pmcnabb |
| 23:34.12 | maquis | ooh |
| 23:34.15 | maquis | that's a new one |
| 23:34.17 | Sargun | pmcnabb, the better kind, you can only say best kind. |
| 23:34.19 | Sargun | :-P |
| 23:34.26 | Sargun | macnewbold, probably mheath's |
| 23:40.02 | tensai | graphyx: which ftp server? |
| 23:40.53 | graphyx | tensai: It was proftp. Ijust switched it to damean mode and used it that way. |
| 23:41.44 | tensai | graphyx: end of story or do you still want to use inetd? |
| 23:41.59 | graphyx | end of story. |
| 23:42.04 | graphyx | I didn't care. Just wanted ftp to work. |
| 23:43.16 | findlay | ~whaleglob maquis |
| 23:43.35 | maquis | ~whalestrike findlay |
| 23:44.26 | herlo | so my dvd-ram / cd-rw (supposed) drive will not write to a CD-RW, no matter what tool I use, I get errors... |
| 23:44.36 | graphyx | bad drive? |
| 23:44.41 | herlo | any suggestions from the #utah group? |
| 23:44.43 | findlay | check dmesg |
| 23:44.58 | maquis | herlo: what errors? |
| 23:45.10 | herlo | graphyx: no, I've burned a dvd successfully |
| 23:45.12 | findlay | tail -F /var/log/kernel |
| 23:45.46 | herlo | findlay, do you mean /var/log/dmesg? |
| 23:45.58 | findlay | whatever it is |
| 23:46.07 | herlo | findlay: fc5 |
| 23:47.07 | herlo | maquis: usually it errors out and says it can't burn. Non-specific error really, but usually recommends I use TAO or something like that...looking |
| 23:47.39 | tensai | my burner refused to use TAO and SAO, only works with DAO |
| 23:49.11 | findlay | I bet you're getting IDE/ATAPI errors or you have a flaky drive |
| 23:49.17 | findlay | or both |
| 23:49.34 | findlay | either way you can find out with dmesg |
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| 23:54.37 | elg | levi: pong |
| 23:54.41 | maquis | cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -v -eject driveropts=burnfree |
| 23:54.48 | maquis | that's my alias for cdrec |
| 23:54.55 | maquis | anyway... bus time |
| 23:54.58 | maquis | good luck |
| 23:55.01 | levi | elg: Did you see the link I told you right after I pinged? |
| 23:57.07 | Sargun | ~whale |
| 23:57.16 | ibot | whale is, like, a mammal |
| 23:57.16 | Sargun | ~whale $ME |
| 23:57.27 | elg | yeah |
| 23:57.33 | elg | lovely |
