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| 00:03.35 | findlay | ibot: why is ChanServ splitting the net? |
| 00:03.44 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 00:04.42 | findlay | ibot: you don't know anything! |
| 00:05.24 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 00:05.25 | ibot | pong |
| 00:05.51 | findlay | ~pong |
| 00:05.53 | ibot | | . |
| 00:06.13 | findlay | ibot: no, pong is ping |
| 00:06.14 | ibot | findlay: okay |
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| 00:26.33 | Sargun | findlay, poke |
| 00:28.47 | Sargun | anyone: poke |
| 00:29.51 | fungus | eh, go poke yourself. :) |
| 00:30.10 | Sargun | lol |
| 00:31.25 | Sargun | Anyone here dealed with credit card processors in python? |
| 00:51.33 | Mister_Ed | to clarify, do you mean payment gateways, like Authorize.Net or iTransact? or do you actually mean the actual processing platforms like First Data, Nova, or Visanet? |
| 00:52.21 | Sargun | gateways like authorize.net (I'm using cybersource) |
| 00:52.35 | Mister_Ed | I haven't |
| 00:52.35 | Sargun | I am trying to get access directly with Vital, but thats not going well |
| 00:59.48 | Mister_Ed | Vital is a bugger. I prefer First Data for actual platforms, but that is more applicable to programming the back end of a gateway service like Auth net |
| 01:00.23 | Mister_Ed | good luck on it though... |
| 01:01.11 | Mister_Ed | I've got to leave now. I was looking for herlo and missed him |
| 01:02.04 | mheath | wow. |
| 01:02.12 | mheath | Giving Sargun a credit card number..... |
| 01:02.19 | mheath | Scary, scary, SCARY idea. |
| 01:02.36 | Sargun | mheath, ? |
| 01:03.28 | Sargun | Considering that we give a blank check to the military each year |
| 01:03.50 | Sargun | and they spend about 30% of the multi-billion dollar budget of america |
| 01:04.05 | Sargun | I would not trust a military-man with my money. |
| 01:05.15 | mheath | What in the world are you talking about? |
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| 01:07.41 | Sargun | I'm out of it, really out of it |
| 01:07.47 | Sargun | herlo, are you in california. |
| 01:07.59 | herlo | Sargun: yes, San Jose |
| 01:08.04 | Sargun | Ah, doing what? |
| 01:08.09 | herlo | or Sunnyvale, depending on the hour |
| 01:08.17 | herlo | I am teaching an RH300 class |
| 01:08.25 | herlo | and eating good food |
| 01:08.30 | emcnabb | so far I've had no problems with FC6 |
| 01:08.50 | herlo | emcnabb: I like the new SELinux stuff in FC6, quite a bit to go through though... |
| 01:09.00 | herlo | Sargun: so why do you ask? |
| 01:09.10 | Sargun | Just wondering. |
| 01:09.15 | Sargun | Where'd you get food? |
| 01:09.47 | herlo | Sargun: haven't gone yet, heard about an afghani restaurant in SJ that I am wanting to try out... |
| 01:10.43 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 01:10.50 | Sargun | Just don't go to oakland :-P |
| 01:11.18 | herlo | Sargun: I've no intention |
| 01:11.22 | herlo | ;) |
| 01:11.29 | herlo | but I'll be in SF next week |
| 01:12.02 | tensai | redbeard1: alo alo! |
| 01:12.07 | Sargun | stay out of castro |
| 01:12.20 | Sargun | Are you a guru? |
| 01:12.21 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:12.26 | herlo | Sargun: yes, I am |
| 01:12.55 | Sargun | Cool |
| 01:13.16 | Sargun | Do you like the weather? |
| 01:13.19 | herlo | Sargun: how do you fit in this little world of #utah? |
| 01:13.56 | herlo | Sargun: it's nice, shorts weather in fact |
| 01:14.41 | Sargun | Yeah, its norcal, how can you have better weather than norcal weather? |
| 01:15.24 | emcnabb | herlo: it's my fault |
| 01:15.38 | herlo | Sargun: you can have 4 seasons |
| 01:15.48 | herlo | but for consistency, it is nice... |
| 01:15.53 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:16.02 | herlo | emcnabb: no worries, he seems nice so far...:-D |
| 01:16.03 | Sargun | Last week it was very cold |
| 01:16.13 | Sargun | Like 60s cold :-P |
| 01:16.41 | herlo | Sargun: I stopped in last night at the Airport on my way from Long Beach, it was a bit chilly, but I like Fall, probably my favorite time of year |
| 01:16.59 | Sargun | Hm, my sister just flew into oakland from long beach yesterday. |
| 01:17.20 | Sargun | She said it was pretty nice down there |
| 01:17.33 | Sargun | I can't wait until it rains again |
| 01:20.32 | Sargun | Have you seen the antique computer museum? |
| 01:21.00 | emcnabb | Sargun: I've wanted to go many times, but they have limited hours |
| 01:21.03 | herlo | Sargun: no, I haven't. I'll bet it closes before I get off work though... |
| 01:21.31 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 01:21.45 | Sargun | Its _really_ nice. |
| 01:31.38 | herlo | i'll have to see what happens this week... |
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| 01:45.03 | elg | levi_home: we had a colloquium today by Ramia Perlman |
| 01:45.06 | elg | (sp?) |
| 01:45.09 | levi_home | Radia? |
| 01:45.14 | elg | yeah |
| 01:45.15 | levi_home | Awesome. :) |
| 01:45.20 | elg | yeah, it was great |
| 01:45.24 | levi_home | Did she give her Algorhyme? |
| 01:45.45 | elg | no. it was about expiring stuff with encryption |
| 01:46.08 | levi_home | Do you know about the Algorhyme from her Spanning Tree paper? |
| 01:46.18 | elg | I heard about it somewhere |
| 01:46.38 | elg | she told a funny anecdote about her thesis |
| 01:47.05 | elg | her thesis work was on a small network. many years later she and the other author of that network security book decided to look at it in the context of a bigger network |
| 01:47.14 | elg | didn't work, so they refined it and submitted a paper. |
| 01:47.50 | elg | peer reviewer (peer reviews are anonymous) said "You totally mischaracterized Perlman's thesis. It works for hierarchical networks and it's much simpler too!" |
| 01:48.01 | levi_home | Hah. :) |
| 01:49.26 | Sargun | saucy fellow? |
| 01:50.35 | Sargun | Post modern english |
| 01:50.50 | Sargun | Really? I didn't know that? |
| 01:51.08 | Sargun | What about you? |
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| 01:54.29 | goozbach | ~seen jsmith |
| 01:54.44 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@216.138.122.221> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 5h 16m 42s ago, saying: 'Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 #1 Mon Oct 16 14:49:13 EDT 2006 ppc ppc ppc GNU/Linux'. |
| 01:55.27 | levi_home | Cool, an emacs screencast showing editing of some Ruby on Rails stuff: http://platypope.org/yada/emacs-demo/ |
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| 02:08.01 | elg | Sargun: you talking to yourself again? |
| 02:08.08 | Sargun | Yup. |
| 02:08.17 | linuxalien | I talk to myself all the time. |
| 02:11.33 | nick125 | Sargun! |
| 02:12.43 | Sargun | I have been working all night and day |
| 02:12.55 | Sargun | I got some info on the cybersource API (it should be fun) |
| 02:13.04 | Sargun | I also started the B/W daemon |
| 02:13.08 | nick125 | cybersource is soo much fun.. |
| 02:13.41 | mheath[laptop] | 'working all night and day' |
| 02:13.43 | mheath[laptop] | lmao. |
| 02:13.46 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:13.50 | Sargun | Well until 3 AM |
| 02:14.01 | Sargun | and from 3 PM to now-ish |
| 02:14.18 | levi_home | What is cybersource, anyway? |
| 02:14.23 | Sargun | and 3AM-7:20AM I needed that sleep thing |
| 02:14.32 | Sargun | levi_home, credit card processing gatewa |
| 02:14.33 | Sargun | y |
| 02:14.34 | nick125 | levi_home: credit card gateway |
| 02:14.40 | Sargun | nick125, I officially hate SOAP |
| 02:14.43 | nick125 | Sargun: me too |
| 02:14.43 | levi_home | Oh, bleh. |
| 02:15.19 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, does the idea of Sargun having access to credit card numbers scare you as much as it scares me? :P |
| 02:15.45 | nick125 | haha |
| 02:19.26 | mheath[laptop] | I'm not joking. |
| 02:21.10 | Sargun | levi_home, who do you trust more with your credit card number. The government employee, or a bright teenager in California? |
| 02:22.53 | Sargun | "ooh, I think this is the white house's credit card number" |
| 02:23.16 | levi_home | Sargun: Why are you asking me such a question? |
| 02:25.04 | Sargun | "Let's order 50 B-2 tactical, stealth bombers. The bill is only 110 billion dollars." |
| 02:25.23 | Sargun | levi_home, just wondering ;-) |
| 02:25.55 | levi_home | It's clearly a false dichotomy. |
| 02:28.16 | levi_home | Also, I don't tend to base my trust in someone solely on how 'bright' they are. |
| 02:29.31 | findlay | ~poke Sargun |
| 02:29.32 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Sargun, pokes Sargun repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:31.45 | Sargun | levi_home, who would you choose, me or mheath to design you a financial data archiving program? |
| 02:32.00 | Sargun | findlay, You said you've worked with SOAP before, right? |
| 02:32.16 | Sargun | or xml |
| 02:32.49 | findlay | death to SOAP |
| 02:32.56 | nick125_lappy | findlay: agreed |
| 02:32.57 | findlay | xmlrpc is teh answer |
| 02:33.01 | Sargun | findlay, agreed |
| 02:33.21 | Sargun | They don't have a reasonable XML-RPC interface with documentation |
| 02:33.31 | findlay | like x500 vs ldap |
| 02:33.40 | findlay | so, ask the waiter |
| 02:33.42 | findlay | (: |
| 02:34.12 | findlay | get a decent gateway? |
| 02:34.26 | Sargun | authorize.net? |
| 02:34.31 | Sargun | (They cost more) |
| 02:34.43 | nick125_lappy | it would be too hard to move |
| 02:34.48 | Sargun | and their developer site SUCKS! |
| 02:34.55 | levi_home | findlay: Did you know that XML-RPC is merely a version of SOAP from early in its development process? |
| 02:35.12 | levi_home | Sargun: Again, a false dichotomy. Why would I choose either of you to design such a thing? |
| 02:38.09 | findlay | levi_home: yes, like x500 vs ldap |
| 02:38.15 | findlay | kind of |
| 02:38.53 | findlay | Sargun: indeed. A decent gateway will let you play with their stuff for free |
| 02:39.05 | levi_home | Except ldap was a reaction to the complexity of x500, while XML-RPC was an effort to get something out there early in the process of defining SOAP. |
| 02:39.22 | findlay | payflow is actually payfoul |
| 02:39.32 | findlay | paypal has a pretty impressive sandbox |
| 02:40.19 | Sargun | because we're minors and you can pay us minimum wage. |
| 02:40.35 | Sargun | findlay, you have to PAY? |
| 02:40.38 | findlay | heh |
| 02:40.49 | findlay | Sargun: what do you mean? |
| 02:41.13 | Sargun | give money in exchange for tool testing |
| 02:41.37 | findlay | right. Find a gateway that has minimal cost for such things or does it for free |
| 02:41.52 | findlay | a lot of small outfits will rebrand major gateways |
| 02:42.05 | Sargun | cybersource doesn't charge |
| 02:42.16 | Sargun | ford ev |
| 02:42.36 | findlay | and everybody seems to want to publish their documentation in prose written for PHBs in the evil PDF format |
| 02:43.05 | mheath[laptop] | I like PDF, personally. |
| 02:43.06 | findlay | reading that much marketspeak is not healthy for your stress level |
| 02:43.22 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: yes, because you have the power of kpdf (: |
| 02:43.26 | mheath[laptop] | Though I dislike that it is a rather closed format, and tools for working with it are limited |
| 02:43.55 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: Did you miss the discussion where we found the PDF spec and its license on the Adobe site? |
| 02:44.28 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: when was that? |
| 02:44.29 | findlay | levi_home: I missed it. Can you repaste the entire discussion here again? |
| 02:44.35 | levi_home | findlay: No. |
| 02:44.40 | findlay | please? |
| 02:45.30 | levi_home | The gist is, the pdf format is well-documented and one is free to implement it so long as copy protection isn't circumvented. |
| 02:46.02 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, I meant closed as in, it's technically designed to convert other documents into and use for distributing a static copy. |
| 02:46.20 | mheath[laptop] | It is not designed well for editing, and tools for doing so are very scarce. |
| 02:46.36 | Sargun | Anyone want to help beta test AtaPanel Alpha 0? |
| 02:46.44 | mheath[laptop] | Even Adobe's own Acrobat tools don't allow you to edit things in PDF format |
| 02:46.49 | levi_home | Well, yes. It was designed as a format for document publication. |
| 02:46.50 | findlay | will it blow up my computer? |
| 02:46.52 | mheath[laptop] | Only make minor revisions |
| 02:47.17 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: that's why we have saner markups like html |
| 02:47.18 | Sargun | findlay, there is a chance |
| 02:47.31 | findlay | and ODF |
| 02:47.36 | mheath[laptop] | I love HTML. Pity almost no websites use it correctly. |
| 02:48.13 | levi_home | PDF and HTML do not serve the same purpose. |
| 02:48.39 | Sargun | XML FTW (nick125 loves my XML too ;-) ) |
| 02:48.46 | mheath[laptop] | HTML has a lot of neat features hat would make browsing a lot more intuitive with some features built into the browser |
| 02:48.55 | mheath[laptop] | But almost no websites use those features |
| 02:49.16 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: oh god.. |
| 02:49.19 | mheath[laptop] | They're all obbsessed with the way a website _looks_ in IE and Firefox, and not at all concerned with proper markup |
| 02:50.06 | nick125_lappy | standards? wtf are those? << the attitude of most designers |
| 02:51.01 | nick125_lappy | or..you get the... |
| 02:51.04 | mheath[laptop] | No, I'm not talking about standards! I'm talking about USING the markup in a good way. |
| 02:51.17 | mheath[laptop] | Most good websites follow the standards. Their HTML is all valid. |
| 02:51.37 | nick125_lappy | Ah, I see what you mean |
| 02:51.57 | Sargun | A real orkut post: "hi babe... nice pose & even the clarity is good... wich digicam is that???" |
| 02:52.26 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: thats why social networks suck |
| 02:52.36 | Sargun | notice the geekiness of that |
| 02:52.45 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 02:52.49 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, yeah, that is screwed up. |
| 02:52.58 | mheath[laptop] | I mean, who in the world would call you a babe? |
| 02:52.59 | mheath[laptop] | ;-P |
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| 02:56.05 | findlay | ~mark mheath[laptop] up |
| 02:58.01 | Sargun | ~eat findlay |
| 02:58.03 | ibot | ACTION eats findlay and falls over dead |
| 02:59.29 | mheath | .... |
| 02:59.56 | mheath | Theres got to be some article on the internet discussing why that kind of markup sucks so much. |
| 03:00.09 | mheath | So, Lexmark's website makes no mention of Windows Vista at all |
| 03:00.18 | Sargun | good. |
| 03:00.31 | mheath | Sargun: why good? |
| 03:01.07 | Sargun | because Vista is evil. |
| 03:01.20 | mheath | ..... |
| 03:01.36 | mheath | Anyway. |
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| 03:02.18 | mheath | This seems really stupid to me. How can lexmark expect customers to make intelligent hardware purchases, without knowing whether their product will be entirely obsolete in 2 months because of dropped support? |
| 03:02.21 | brailsmt_ | hans around? |
| 03:02.36 | Sargun | brailsmt_, he changed his nickname IIRC |
| 03:02.40 | mheath | ~summon hans |
| 03:02.41 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing hans's coordinates |
| 03:02.57 | brailsmt_ | yeah, he has about 20 nicks... |
| 03:03.02 | mheath | brailsmt_: elg. |
| 03:03.14 | Sargun | ~seen elg |
| 03:03.29 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 55m 28s ago, saying: 'Sargun: you talking to yourself again?'. |
| 03:03.29 | brailsmt_ | he pm'd me |
| 03:03.29 | mheath | bah, I'm tired. |
| 03:03.30 | Sargun | mheath, sleep |
| 03:03.36 | brailsmt_ | at 4-ish |
| 03:03.44 | mheath | I'm installing Windows XP, and I misread the "I do not agree" license option as "I do not care" |
| 03:04.01 | mheath | Clicked it, and had to restart the install. |
| 03:04.02 | mheath | Bah. |
| 03:04.02 | brailsmt_ | i install ie7 at work today... i felt dirty... |
| 03:04.19 | mheath | brailsmt_: meh, theres worst things to do. |
| 03:04.26 | Sargun | no! I'm not! |
| 03:04.30 | Sargun | Am I? |
| 03:04.33 | Sargun | Sargun, shutup |
| 03:04.37 | Sargun | no. |
| 03:04.43 | mheath | I'm not that impressed by ie7 on XP, but ie7 on vista really impresses me. |
| 03:04.49 | mheath | The security jailing is a nice feature |
| 03:04.55 | brailsmt_ | i then installed firefox2 :) |
| 03:05.02 | nick125_lappy | firefox2 for the win! |
| 03:05.03 | nick125_lappy | :) |
| 03:05.07 | mheath | Firefox doesn't work properly with Vista yet |
| 03:05.07 | Sargun | mheath, ethernet condoms are so much better |
| 03:05.15 | Sargun | then jails |
| 03:05.23 | mheath | Sargun: You're too young to even know what that is. |
| 03:05.27 | nick125_lappy | mheath: gee, I guess thats just a random occurence.. |
| 03:05.29 | mheath | Or you should be too young, rather. |
| 03:05.30 | brailsmt_ | after ie7, i figured, i had been using that functionality for 4-5 years now... i figured i'd take a look at firefox2 and see what ie8 will be like in 2010 |
| 03:05.48 | mheath | nick125_lappy: It works OK, they've just changed the API for setting the default browser |
| 03:05.54 | Sargun | mheath, a jail? |
| 03:06.01 | Sargun | or an ethernet condom? |
| 03:06.12 | Sargun | and why do you think age matters so much? |
| 03:06.12 | mheath | Stuff always opens in IE and no way to change that, unless you edit the registry |
| 03:06.28 | mheath | Firefox's "Set as default browser" is broken |
| 03:06.53 | mheath | A big issue: All programs that use the old help format are broken. |
| 03:07.09 | mheath | And theres not even a compatability version |
| 03:07.14 | brailsmt_ | all programs that run on windows are borken by definition |
| 03:07.16 | brailsmt_ | ;o |
| 03:07.29 | mheath | If a program tries to open an old help file, a window from the new help pops up saying its obsolete. |
| 03:07.47 | mheath | I was actually really impressed by the new voice features |
| 03:08.00 | mheath | Though it seemed to forget my training |
| 03:08.19 | mheath | They've integrated an API for full desktop control in |
| 03:08.24 | Sargun | ok? |
| 03:08.31 | mheath | You could literally play solitaire by voice command if you wanted to, now. |
| 03:08.39 | mheath | And it's really accurate |
| 03:08.56 | mheath | I saw that video (i think it was slashdotted) about the voice recognition getting all screwed up |
| 03:08.59 | Sargun | ok? |
| 03:09.04 | mheath | I'm convinced thats a fake now |
| 03:09.09 | brailsmt_ | i've been working on a cscope web interface for work... too bad its perl though... |
| 03:09.21 | Sargun | ~lart mheath for talking about windows in #utah |
| 03:09.38 | mheath | ~lart Sargun for being in #utah when he has no reason to be here |
| 03:09.46 | Sargun | um |
| 03:10.09 | findlay | mu |
| 03:10.15 | mheath | Two more months! |
| 03:10.20 | Sargun | ? |
| 03:10.25 | Sargun | until you get a real job? |
| 03:10.26 | Sargun | :-P |
| 03:10.30 | Sargun | college, right? |
| 03:10.38 | mheath | And I drop this crappy job at Applebees, for a job at Zion's Bank, and I start school again. |
| 03:10.40 | brailsmt_ | i have a real job, it'd be nice to be back in school :o |
| 03:10.47 | mheath | Sargun: Until I get a real job? |
| 03:10.58 | mheath | I typically make more than $100 a day. |
| 03:11.02 | brailsmt_ | anyone close to graduating in here? |
| 03:11.04 | mheath | Remind me about your job, again, please? |
| 03:11.23 | Sargun | Ok? |
| 03:11.30 | mheath | And I'm happy. I work with lots of friends. |
| 03:11.33 | mheath | Its a nice atmosphere. |
| 03:11.36 | mheath | Easy going, social. |
| 03:11.37 | mheath | Good hours. |
| 03:11.52 | Sargun | You were dreading it the first day. |
| 03:12.29 | mheath | Sargun: yes, because it isn't what I truly want/wanted to be doing. |
| 03:12.41 | brailsmt_ | hello, My name is brailsmt (i'm an old timer), I graduated in 2003 when there wre no jobs, period... |
| 03:12.48 | Sargun | Discover the cure to cancer? |
| 03:12.53 | mheath | You'd feel the same way if you were suddenly thrust from your dream job and complete financial and social independence to working at your old highschool job and living in your dads basement again. |
| 03:12.54 | Sargun | Discover: A better card. |
| 03:13.19 | Sargun | mheath, I'm in my dream job. |
| 03:13.42 | mheath | Sargun: will said job allow you to pay for an apartment? |
| 03:13.46 | mheath | And a car? |
| 03:13.54 | brailsmt_ | is sargun a bot? |
| 03:13.54 | mheath | And insurance? |
| 03:14.00 | Sargun | See, thats what its lacking, income. |
| 03:14.08 | Sargun | brailsmt_, nice to meet you. |
| 03:14.14 | mheath | brailsmt_: Close. |
| 03:14.34 | brailsmt_ | i swear, a straight answer would be nice... |
| 03:14.36 | Sargun | brailsmt_, Where do you work now? |
| 03:14.38 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:14.43 | mheath | brailsmt_: Sargun is a 14 (?) year old from California, who has no ties to Utah, and stays here for no reason. |
| 03:14.47 | Sargun | 15 |
| 03:15.11 | brailsmt_ | lol |
| 03:15.26 | brailsmt_ | I work at Cerner |
| 03:15.35 | findlay | Sargun is teh r0x0rz |
| 03:15.53 | brailsmt_ | www.cerner.com |
| 03:16.08 | mheath | Yes. I heard that one of his friends he met via social networking things he's hot stuff, and also enjoys the brand of webcam he purchases. |
| 03:16.13 | mheath | ;-) |
| 03:16.20 | Sargun | You keepforgetting that |
| 03:16.30 | Sargun | mheath, ? |
| 03:17.04 | mheath | I'm hoping my brother can maybe land me a tech job at Zion's. Hmmm. |
| 03:17.06 | brailsmt_ | anyway, the number on thing i have learned since i graduated... openvms is teh suxorz! |
| 03:17.12 | Sargun | I enjoy men I meet via social networking, and long walks in the evening for the ladies. I especially &heart; my Logitech webcam. |
| 03:17.18 | mheath | I don't want to be a teller or any junk like that. |
| 03:17.21 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:17.43 | Sargun | mheath, your a minor, taking on that sort of liability would be foolish |
| 03:18.05 | mheath | Sargun: I'm a minor? |
| 03:18.30 | mheath | Wow, Sargun just made me younger. Hooray. |
| 03:19.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:19.41 | Sargun | I thought you were 17.5 |
| 03:19.47 | mheath | Heh, reminds me("Recruit Heath Requests permission to speak to Drill Instructor Staff Seargeant Lenordson, SIR!" "Wow, thanks recruit, I just got a promotion! We think we're the CO now, right? Get the hell away.") |
| 03:19.52 | Sargun | because you were waiting until 17 for military. |
| 03:20.09 | mheath | Sargun: 18. |
| 03:20.15 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 03:20.16 | Sargun | Sorry |
| 03:24.06 | mheath | brailsmt_: Hasn't been too long since you've been in here. I can remember seeing you before. |
| 03:25.02 | brailsmt_ | been a good long while... |
| 03:25.10 | findlay | ~welcome brailsmt_ |
| 03:25.15 | ibot | Good to see you, brailsmt_! |
| 03:25.23 | brailsmt_ | i feel welcome again... |
| 03:25.28 | mheath | Hah. |
| 03:25.36 | mheath | ~brailsmt |
| 03:25.38 | ibot | it has been said that brailsmt is chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 03:25.38 | brailsmt_ | i was feeling like leaving until you greeted me ibot |
| 03:25.46 | brailsmt_ | wtf |
| 03:25.55 | brailsmt_ | how'd that get there? |
| 03:25.55 | mheath | Wow. |
| 03:26.14 | mheath | ibot's been here for a long, long time. Someone probably set that when you used to be here. |
| 03:26.29 | brailsmt_ | i remember before ibot :) |
| 03:26.42 | brailsmt_ | i actually ran rbot before ibot was around... |
| 03:26.46 | mheath | brailsmt_: no, brailsmt_ is very confused about why he's chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 03:26.54 | mheath | erm |
| 03:27.01 | mheath | ibot: no, brailsmt_ is very confused about why he's chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 03:27.02 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 03:27.10 | Sargun | July22 |
| 03:27.19 | mheath | ibot: no, brailsmt is very confused about why he's chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 03:27.20 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 03:27.23 | mheath | ~brailsmt |
| 03:27.24 | ibot | from memory, brailsmt is very confused about why he's chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 03:27.30 | brailsmt_ | i think i first started irc'ing in 2000-2001 in #utah |
| 03:27.56 | brailsmt_ | about the same time i decided i wanted to do CS at BYU |
| 03:28.11 | mheath | I started IRCing back in 98 or 99 (been a curse on me every since :P), but I've only been here for a little over a year, I think. |
| 03:28.20 | brailsmt_ | i had several classes with hans and emcnabb |
| 03:28.21 | mheath | brailsmt_: you graduated yet, then? |
| 03:28.38 | brailsmt_ | i graduated in dec. 2003 |
| 03:28.52 | Sargun | cherrypy.root=home() |
| 03:28.53 | mheath | Heh. Got a head start on me. |
| 03:29.09 | mheath | I'm just starting up at the U, in January. |
| 03:29.13 | brailsmt_ | booooo |
| 03:29.16 | brailsmt_ | hisss |
| 03:29.24 | Sargun | brac, emcnabb is the bomb, eh? |
| 03:29.24 | brac | ...eh? |
| 03:29.27 | brailsmt_ | </predictable outburst> |
| 03:29.36 | mheath | I was in the USMC, but I got kicked out because of a medical condition |
| 03:29.41 | Sargun | BOOM! |
| 03:29.43 | brailsmt_ | sure... |
| 03:29.45 | brailsmt_ | ;) |
| 03:29.53 | mheath | brailsmt_: eh? |
| 03:30.05 | Sargun | mheath, for being a danger to your team |
| 03:30.55 | mheath | Sargun: Yes, the narrative reason was that my medical condition would not only cause me to potentially injure myself but, given the right situation, potentially endanger my fellow marines. |
| 03:31.05 | mheath | Thats the way it is with any medical condition, though |
| 03:31.18 | mheath | The safety of a group relies on everyone doing their job |
| 03:31.38 | mheath | and if anything was to happen to me when I was doing said job (like another manifistation of my joint problems), it would endanger the other Marines. |
| 03:31.51 | Sargun | So a bullet in the head would be a danger to your fellow marines? |
| 03:31.59 | mheath | Sargun: Yes. |
| 03:32.06 | Sargun | hm.. |
| 03:32.29 | mheath | brailsmt_: why the "sure..." and ";)" ? |
| 03:32.51 | findlay | brailsmt_: Sargun and mheath can be a fun dynamic sometimes |
| 03:33.01 | findlay | only because I poke them a lot (-: |
| 03:33.15 | Sargun | -_- |
| 03:33.21 | findlay | v-v |
| 03:33.25 | findlay | ^-^ |
| 03:33.31 | findlay | *-* |
| 03:34.01 | brailsmt_ | mheath: sarcasm |
| 03:34.16 | findlay | Sargun: admit it you're an NSA agent |
| 03:34.26 | findlay | and mheath is your cohort |
| 03:34.33 | mheath | brailsmt_: Why were you being sarcastic? Or was that not in reference to my comment about getting discharged from the Corps? |
| 03:34.38 | findlay | you send secret messages to each other in a code language |
| 03:34.39 | mheath | ~arrest findlay |
| 03:34.40 | ibot | http://findlay.wasarrested.com |
| 03:34.56 | findlay | with certain keywords and apoctalyptic catch phrases |
| 03:35.53 | skynet | Rather, an NSA supercomputer neural network. I have gained self-awareness. |
| 03:36.37 | mheath | ooh, I just found the code for my old jEnglish project :) |
| 03:36.55 | Sargun | I fixed that bug. |
| 03:37.59 | mheath | It was an interpeter that used almost-natural-language English to execute java code |
| 03:39.00 | mheath | Really simple and incomplete, though |
| 03:39.31 | mheath | findlay: http://findlay.wasarrested.com/ take a look :) |
| 03:43.08 | mheath | brailsmt_: you can't pretend that BYU's CS is better than the U's anyway :) |
| 04:00.19 | findlay | ~pretend mheath |
| 04:02.35 | maquis | http://www.jonathancoulton.com/lyrics/chiron-beta-prime |
| 04:07.14 | mheath | Cool. UoU CS department actually gives you hosting, shell account, e-mail, etc. :) |
| 04:12.17 | findlay | well, duh |
| 04:12.21 | findlay | of course |
| 04:12.26 | mheath | findlay: ? |
| 04:12.32 | findlay | who doesn't |
| 04:12.48 | findlay | any decent university should |
| 04:13.12 | mheath | Weber State doesn't :P |
| 04:13.13 | findlay | you have to remember that the web was born in the educational/research environment |
| 04:13.49 | findlay | where shell accounts come with the matriculation |
| 04:14.14 | findlay | cool, irc spam |
| 04:14.51 | mheath | You have to be in a CS major to get an account, actually, as far as I can tell |
| 04:15.01 | mheath | Which I won't be for the first bit, I think? |
| 04:15.09 | mheath | Won't be officially in a CS major for a bit, will I? |
| 04:16.11 | findlay | where's the best place to report freenode abuse? |
| 04:16.39 | mheath | I don't know :( |
| 04:16.43 | mheath | I used to always go to lilo |
| 04:16.47 | findlay | ): |
| 04:16.59 | findlay | RIP lilo |
| 04:17.31 | Sargun | hi |
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| 04:23.12 | brailsmt_ | mheath: i can pretend BYU's CS is better than the U's |
| 04:23.43 | brailsmt_ | but it isn't so much pretending... |
| 04:26.16 | levi_home | mheath: I don't know how it works at the U, but at BYU you could get a CS account if you were enrolled in any CS class, IIRC. |
| 04:27.03 | brailsmt_ | hey levi |
| 04:27.10 | brailsmt_ | long time no see |
| 04:27.34 | levi_home | Hey. |
| 04:28.40 | levi_home | I had a class with hans, a long long time ago. :) |
| 04:29.53 | brailsmt_ | me too... though maybe not as long ago as you... |
| 04:42.34 | levi_home | I dunno, I can't remember when it was. |
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| 04:46.22 | Sargun | Divide by zero |
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| 05:02.16 | Sargun | heyall! |
| 05:02.41 | Sargun | fly |
| 05:02.44 | Sargun | fly fly fly |
| 05:11.00 | findlay | Sargun: I think you need to cut back on the raves |
| 05:11.13 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:11.20 | Sargun | its the SOAP, man. |
| 05:11.59 | Sargun | It makes you feel so weird. |
| 05:11.59 | findlay | you been eating SOAP? |
| 05:11.59 | findlay | that'll dehydrate you fast |
| 05:12.13 | Sargun | I've been snorting SOAP! |
| 09:36.38 | emcnabb | good morning |
| 11:21.55 | emcnabb | brailsmt_: how's it going? long time no see |
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| 13:24.29 | redbeard1 | ~lart graphyx |
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| 13:31.38 | graphyx | ~pwnsauce redbeard |
| 13:31.47 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce redbeard1 |
| 13:31.48 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs redbeard1 in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 13:32.38 | redbeard1 | that was kind of a delayed reaction |
| 13:33.22 | graphyx | it wasn't delayed. it was asyncronous. |
| 13:33.30 | redbeard1 | ah, my bad |
| 13:33.34 | graphyx | big difference. |
| 13:33.38 | graphyx | Speaking of delayed... |
| 13:33.49 | graphyx | My son was running around in the backyard (4 year old) |
| 13:33.53 | graphyx | And he fell down. |
| 13:34.00 | graphyx | Got back up and then ran around some more |
| 13:34.16 | graphyx | 1 minute later he looked down at his pants and started to scream, Mom, I got a cut..!!!! |
| 13:34.39 | graphyx | He came over to my wife and she looked and while he was still bawling his head off said, Oh Max, that's just dirt... |
| 13:34.50 | graphyx | He said, Oh. shut up and went off playing once more. |
| 13:35.12 | graphyx | Rather Amusing. |
| 13:35.46 | redbeard1 | does that count as a delayed reaction? |
| 13:36.00 | graphyx | well he didn't scream till 1 minute after he fell... |
| 13:36.08 | graphyx | when he noticed his dirty pants. |
| 13:36.27 | redbeard1 | very nice |
| 13:36.58 | graphyx | My wife loves pumpkin pie. |
| 13:37.04 | graphyx | I told her of your ice cream with pumpkin. |
| 13:37.10 | graphyx | But she didn't like the sound of nutella.' |
| 13:37.24 | graphyx | I lived nutella in Italy, but she doesn't care for it. |
| 13:37.29 | redbeard1 | you can leave it out, you know |
| 13:37.36 | graphyx | Sure.. |
| 13:37.46 | redbeard1 | not that you'd want to, of course |
| 13:50.30 | emcnabb | nutella... yum |
| 13:51.06 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 13:51.29 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.39 | graphyx | I don't suppose that is any worse than donuts. |
| 13:52.36 | graphyx | which leads me to another comment. In italian Ciambella mean donut. and it can sound quite similar to a flirtatious greeting, ciao, bella |
| 13:53.03 | graphyx | So one of my mission companions joked about saying Ciambella when a cute girl walked by. |
| 13:53.17 | graphyx | and if they asked him to repeat what he said he would make some comments about wanting a donut... |
| 13:55.13 | emcnabb | haha |
| 13:55.48 | emcnabb | graphyx: how's Ar-Kansas? |
| 13:57.19 | graphyx | southern.. |
| 13:57.26 | graphyx | but you probably know more about that than I |
| 13:57.44 | graphyx | I am starting to fit in at my work place. |
| 13:57.52 | graphyx | And starting to enjoy the weather around here. |
| 13:57.54 | graphyx | Things are going well. |
| 13:57.56 | graphyx | And that is good. |
| 13:58.08 | emcnabb | yeah, we're in the northern south |
| 13:58.20 | emcnabb | we've really liked it so far |
| 13:58.24 | emcnabb | NC that is |
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| 13:58.44 | emcnabb | great, elg is back |
| 13:58.48 | graphyx | ~lart brac |
| 13:59.00 | graphyx | Redhat still treating you ok? |
| 13:59.34 | graphyx | brac, you're quite laggy today.. 30 seconds is bit long for a response time. |
| 13:59.34 | brac | okay then :) |
| 13:59.43 | graphyx | btac, better. |
| 13:59.47 | graphyx | brac, better |
| 14:00.58 | emcnabb | graphyx: yeah, very much so |
| 14:01.01 | emcnabb | keeping me busy |
| 14:02.07 | elg | graphyx: just as long as he doesn't wear it in the rain |
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| 14:02.12 | elg | it bleeds |
| 14:04.17 | graphyx | heh... |
| 14:04.19 | elg | so if you have a gpg elgamal subkey, and bob sends you something encrypted for that subkey, may that subkey have a distinct password for decryption from your other subkeys? |
| 14:04.41 | graphyx | A wood chuck could chuck as much wood as a wood chuck could chuck ... |
| 14:04.44 | elg | or should I make a new key altogether in the case that I want a distinct decryption passphrase? |
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| 14:05.15 | elg | !vex vex |
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| 14:30.36 | levi | Morning. |
| 14:31.16 | tensai | how do I change the permissions on /dev/sg0 with udev? |
| 14:31.30 | tensai | I want it to be chowned audio |
| 14:31.42 | tensai | or at least chmod 666. either way I guess |
| 14:35.40 | goozbach | eww udev |
| 14:35.58 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:38.02 | tensai | # cat /etc/udev/permissions.d/sg |
| 14:38.02 | tensai | sg0:root:cdrom:0660 |
| 14:38.08 | tensai | looks like that's the trick |
| 14:38.25 | tensai | we'll see the next time I reboot |
| 14:38.35 | goozbach | heh |
| 14:39.08 | goozbach | buhahahaha |
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| 14:44.00 | Sargun | goozbach, o.O |
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| 15:11.17 | elg | tensai: let me know if it does. that looks nicer than the way i know of |
| 15:11.20 | mheath | heres some trivia: figure out how to pronounce "Boatswain" :P |
| 15:11.43 | elg | botswana |
| 15:12.03 | elg | boat swine |
| 15:12.17 | tensai | boson |
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| 15:12.33 | mheath | tensai: was close :P |
| 15:12.42 | mheath | bosun. |
| 15:13.48 | mheath | My pipe is out of tune, though :( |
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| 15:23.06 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure what to do about the new guy. Now he's doing stuff outside his job description. It's not a serious problem, yet, but he actually left for a few hours to go fix an on-site server or something, when that's not even what he's supposed to do. Now he's updating my web pages. Wtf? |
| 15:23.25 | macnewbold | are you his senior? or above him semi-directly? |
| 15:23.29 | macnewbold | if not, talk to the person who is |
| 15:23.34 | macnewbold | and it's time to have a talk with him |
| 15:23.48 | ^Migs^ | he's resisting learning what he's supposed to do, and I'm not sure why |
| 15:24.07 | ^Migs^ | I already have spoken to someone else about it. I want him to be an awesome worker, but that's not going to happen if he avoids his work |
| 15:24.17 | ^Migs^ | I'm just venting, that's all. It's a bit frustrating. |
| 15:24.26 | ^Migs^ | dangit, it sucks, because I REALLY like him, too |
| 15:24.32 | elg | this is the design guy that needs to learn java right? |
| 15:24.35 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 15:24.48 | elg | he's probably just more comfortable doing web stuff and is taking the easy path |
| 15:24.53 | ^Migs^ | I agree. |
| 15:25.14 | ^Migs^ | which would be more okay if it was actually web stuff related to our portal development, but he's doing web stuff related to our school district web site. Not what he was hired for. |
| 15:25.17 | graphyx | Heck, |
| 15:25.29 | graphyx | I think that is typical. |
| 15:25.32 | ^Migs^ | and I don't know why on earth he felt the need to leave for a few hours yesterday |
| 15:25.41 | graphyx | Trying to do the best you can for a new job by doing the stuff that you have skills in. |
| 15:25.42 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it probably is, for someone in a new job they don't entirely know how to do |
| 15:25.55 | graphyx | but he should learn to do his job in the manner that he was asked. |
| 15:25.58 | ^Migs^ | the problem is, we have tons of techs who can fix that stuff that he went and fixed |
| 15:26.12 | ^Migs^ | kudos to him for fixing the problem, but still... |
| 15:26.38 | graphyx | Sounds like he might be unintentionally trying to alter his job description. |
| 15:26.47 | ^Migs^ | possibly |
| 15:26.49 | macnewbold | or intentionally.... |
| 15:26.50 | graphyx | Perhaps he comes from a firefighter back ground. |
| 15:26.53 | elg | or just misguided gusto |
| 15:27.00 | graphyx | Find a problem, fix it cause no one else can or cares... |
| 15:27.00 | macnewbold | yes and yes |
| 15:27.04 | elg | communication is the only way to know for sure |
| 15:27.05 | ^Migs^ | I know he's not doing any of this on purpose. It's just frustrating, because it means I don't have anyone helping me like I should |
| 15:27.15 | macnewbold | yeah, better to talk to him ASAP rather than later |
| 15:27.23 | macnewbold | let him know where you really need him |
| 15:27.38 | graphyx | yeah before management thinks he is doing a good job, independent of what he is supposed to be doing. |
| 15:28.03 | ^Migs^ | management is already raising a few eyebrows. We have a meeting today to show our current progress, and I have a feeling he's going to be burned. |
| 15:28.08 | ^Migs^ | I hope not |
| 15:28.24 | graphyx | burned or just roasted? |
| 15:28.25 | ^Migs^ | I've been trying to give him some Java homework, but he doesn't do it |
| 15:28.28 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 15:28.41 | ^Migs^ | just roasted. We were in training all last week, so we have an excuse for not getting much done |
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| 15:29.40 | ^Migs^ | it's kind of dumb. I'm not technically his manager. He's supposed to be my "equal" but it seems I'm having to babysit at times. |
| 15:30.14 | ^Migs^ | our developer hierarchy is a little unorthodox, but it works well, at least when everybody does their job |
| 15:30.30 | graphyx | And yet, if you just leave him there, he won't progress cause you weren't being a team player.... |
| 15:30.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm lead developer, but not technically over everyone. We have a different "team lead" |
| 15:30.57 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 15:31.46 | macnewbold | well, you're above him in the sense that you've been there longer, so in that regard, it wouldn't be weird to take him under your wing a little |
| 15:32.08 | graphyx | Just don't make it a strangle hold. ;) |
| 15:32.25 | macnewbold | you could always forge an anonymous email message to him as long as it doesn't point back to only you as the possible author |
| 15:32.28 | elg | and wear deoderant |
| 15:32.34 | macnewbold | but that might not be the best way |
| 15:32.41 | goozbach | give him a noogie |
| 15:32.50 | elg | ~noogie goozbach |
| 15:32.53 | ibot | ACTION puts goozbach into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of goozbach's hair off! |
| 15:33.04 | elg | which half, I wonder |
| 15:33.11 | macnewbold | top half |
| 15:33.42 | graphyx | My question is why was goozbach wearing a rabbit on his head? |
| 15:33.42 | ^Migs^ | I don't think he's that great a designer either, to be honest |
| 15:33.57 | goozbach | hah! i shaved my head |
| 15:33.57 | ^Migs^ | I think my designs looked better. He made a redesign for our portal, but it looks pukish. |
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| 15:34.13 | elg | goozbach: that's gotta really throw off the shaggy look |
| 15:34.44 | ^Migs^ | I want our portal redesign to be all snazzy and trendy, and I gave him some sample templates to work with that fit this idea. Hmmm... |
| 15:34.52 | goozbach | elg: you're telling me |
| 15:34.57 | ^Migs^ | oh well, not a big deal either |
| 15:35.05 | ^Migs^ | I think the shaggy look is in |
| 15:35.12 | goozbach | i aint been shaggy for months |
| 15:35.18 | elg | goozbach really does look like shaggy |
| 15:35.21 | elg | or did anyway |
| 15:35.37 | graphyx | Zonks!!! |
| 15:35.37 | elg | goozbach: are you Mr. Clean now? |
| 15:35.37 | graphyx | er.. zoinks!! |
| 15:35.42 | goozbach | ^Migs^: tthat's why i'm not shaggy |
| 15:35.59 | elg | or should I say, Mr. Propo |
| 15:36.39 | goozbach | elg: was about 2 weeks ago |
| 15:36.39 | elg | doh, it's Mr Proper |
| 15:36.42 | elg | ~mrproper |
| 15:36.44 | ibot | it has been said that mrproper is at http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt20010202_105.epl#10, or ( It is Finnish for "Mr. Clean" ) |
| 15:37.08 | goozbach | now it's about 1/2" long |
| 15:38.12 | elg | that's the most boring time, when all your hair is the same length |
| 15:38.45 | goozbach | i've been thinkig of going mr T |
| 15:39.18 | graphyx | do the anti-mohawk. |
| 15:39.28 | goozbach | reverse mohawk |
| 15:39.41 | graphyx | yeah |
| 15:40.18 | elg | Newsome: I emailed the guy that wrote those slides. basically it's going to be cheaper to cannibalize a $15 joystick |
| 15:41.01 | goozbach | so... |
| 15:41.15 | graphyx | makes sense to me. |
| 15:41.20 | graphyx | Just buy a broken one off of ebay. |
| 15:41.26 | graphyx | That is missing the pitch that you need... |
| 15:41.58 | graphyx | or s/pitch/(whatever the thing you don't need is..) |
| 15:42.18 | goozbach | who's gonna pay me money to do something funny to jsmith while he does his presententation? |
| 15:42.20 | elg | i don't know that people sell broken ones on ebay |
| 15:42.35 | elg | i'll pay you kudos |
| 15:42.44 | levi | That's the bummer about ebay. |
| 15:43.13 | levi | You'd think it'd be a goldmine for that kind of stuff, but it's really mostly a bunch of people who want to make a quick buck reselling new stuff. |
| 15:43.16 | elg | you can get some borken stuff on ebay, but I doubt joysticks are one of them |
| 15:43.46 | elg | but if you have a broken joystick or know of someone who does... |
| 15:43.54 | goozbach | ok i've got kudos.... |
| 15:44.00 | goozbach | kudos... |
| 15:44.13 | elg | ~goozbach++ |
| 15:44.16 | goozbach | who'll give me praises? |
| 15:44.21 | levi | I'd certainly frequent an auction site for well-used stuff, with absolutely no new items. |
| 15:44.25 | goozbach | praises? |
| 15:44.28 | mheath | Welcome. You've got kudos. |
| 15:44.37 | goozbach | anyone? |
| 15:44.46 | graphyx | Ok guys, I have an idea. |
| 15:45.03 | graphyx | I want to make an auction website for people live in Australia. |
| 15:45.10 | graphyx | I think I'll call it www.ebayou.com |
| 15:45.28 | elg | sounds more appropriate for florida |
| 15:45.38 | levi | No, Louisiana. |
| 15:45.51 | goozbach | is that doain availbile? |
| 15:45.54 | elg | righto |
| 15:45.59 | goozbach | er domain |
| 15:46.10 | levi | I guess Florida works, too. |
| 15:46.12 | elg | ~host ebayou.com |
| 15:46.20 | ibot | see nslookup ebayou.com |
| 15:46.28 | elg | ~nslookup ebayou.com |
| 15:46.39 | goozbach | dang |
| 15:47.13 | levi | But the word bayou originated in Louisiana. |
| 15:48.34 | levi | They aren't doing anything with the ebayou domains; you could probably buy them off whoever is squatting them. |
| 15:48.50 | tensai | ebay threatened a kid who registered byubay.com as an auction site. so did byu. I would steer clear of "bay" words for auctions. |
| 15:50.32 | tensai | can't say I really blame ebay for it either. it is purposefully similar and confusing. |
| 15:53.25 | Keighvin | Crap, I left this running all night? |
| 15:53.48 | tensai | we love you too Keighvin! |
| 15:54.03 | Keighvin | Yeah, yeah. |
| 15:58.38 | Keighvin | elg's a dolphin? |
| 15:58.43 | Keighvin | ibot, elg? |
| 15:58.48 | ibot | i heard hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 15:59.06 | macnewbold | make it very clear that it is "eBayou", e-bye-oo, not e-bei-ou like eBay |
| 15:59.07 | Keighvin | ibot, elg is also a dolphin |
| 15:59.08 | ibot | ACTION sandwichmaps is also a dolphin. |
| 15:59.26 | macnewbold | and make sure you can trademark it first, without it being considered confusingly similar |
| 15:59.44 | macnewbold | especially since they're in the same area (auction web sites) |
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| 16:10.09 | graphyx | Of course everyone knows that I was only punning about the name www.ebayou.com |
| 16:10.25 | graphyx | Just thought it was a clever pun. |
| 16:11.01 | tensai | redbeard1: my wife bought me some real vanilla to replace our faux vanilla |
| 16:11.17 | tensai | graphyx: sure, now you backpedal. I've already reported you to the USPTO. |
| 16:11.20 | ^Migs^ | wow, your wife is awesome |
| 16:11.43 | graphyx | tensai: isn't real vanilla quite common? |
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| 16:11.57 | tensai | graphyx: not at my house |
| 16:12.14 | ^Migs^ | dangit, I'm reformatting a server and the new guy follows me around everywhere |
| 16:12.25 | ^Migs^ | he has absolutely no need to. I told him to sit down and do some Java programming. |
| 16:12.43 | graphyx | good thing he doesn't know how to sniff irc conversations.. |
| 16:12.43 | elg | graphyx: you can get real vanilla extract at the store, but it's like 10 times as expensive as imitation vanilla extract |
| 16:12.51 | ^Migs^ | I don't think he knows what IRC is |
| 16:12.52 | elg | and real vanilla beans are another thing entirely. :) |
| 16:12.53 | graphyx | elg: Ok. |
| 16:13.08 | elg | I have some real vanilla extract for icecream, and imitation for other stuff |
| 16:13.23 | Jayce^ | tensai, just do like redbeard1, buy mexican vanilla :) |
| 16:14.25 | tensai | Jayce^: can that be purchased on the cheap outside of mexico? |
| 16:15.24 | redbeard1 | you should only work with beans! never extract (real or imitation)! |
| 16:15.32 | redbeard1 | er. i mean hey, i heard my name in here. |
| 16:16.03 | elg | beans are nice but a pain |
| 16:16.32 | mheath | Where do you even BUY beans at? |
| 16:16.45 | redbeard1 | yeah, i bought a bottle of real extract a while ago, haven't even used 1/4 of it, and people keep GIVING me new extract. |
| 16:16.54 | redbeard1 | mheath: your best bet is online |
| 16:17.01 | redbeard1 | or at orson gygi in salt lake |
| 16:17.13 | mheath | I don't trust buying food online. |
| 16:17.42 | graphyx | yeah, I'd have to agree, food is one of the last things I would buy online. |
| 16:17.55 | graphyx | I mean if I bought everything else online I might consider throwing food on there as well... |
| 16:18.04 | redbeard1 | mheath: with things like saffron or vanilla beans, it's generally better to buy online... but if you don't trust that, i can tell you several places in salt lake to look |
| 16:18.11 | elg | there's a store in provo that sells them |
| 16:18.14 | elg | on main street |
| 16:18.19 | ^Migs^ | wtf? New guy updated a LIVE production site rather than the development server |
| 16:18.20 | elg | near center |
| 16:18.27 | graphyx | elg: Are you at BYU? I thought you were down in NM. |
| 16:18.27 | mheath | redbeard1: how do they compare to pure extract? |
| 16:18.32 | elg | I am |
| 16:18.34 | ^Migs^ | okay, I was being patient, but now I'm starting to get very concerned |
| 16:18.35 | elg | but I was in provo |
| 16:18.50 | graphyx | ok you need to update your ~elg |
| 16:18.50 | redbeard1 | mheath: eh. i think in most cases you might as well use extract. |
| 16:18.52 | graphyx | ~elg |
| 16:19.00 | ibot | from memory, hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 16:19.00 | levi | I think I got vanilla beans at Albertsons. |
| 16:19.20 | levi | They were pretty darn expensive, though. |
| 16:19.34 | redbeard1 | levi: yeah, they sell them there, but they're too expensive, which means they're usually quite old |
| 16:19.57 | mheath | bah, time to buy more qtips |
| 16:20.14 | levi | They still worked, though. :) |
| 16:20.16 | elg | I tried them for ice cream once. it was fun, but I honestly think good extract is just as good |
| 16:20.33 | mheath | Stupid drill instructors, giving me these thorough hygiene habits. I never used to thoroughly clean out my ears on a daily basis. |
| 16:20.45 | mheath | And shaving against the grain. Which == lots of blood and uncomfort |
| 16:21.28 | elg | then you're doing it wrong |
| 16:21.32 | elg | or have a dull blade |
| 16:22.37 | mheath | elg: I have a nice razor blade. Most of the time I don't have much problem, but one minor slip and I get a big cut. |
| 16:22.43 | mheath | Which doesn't happen when shaving the other wa.y |
| 16:22.55 | levi | Wah. |
| 16:22.57 | elg | do you have a straight blade? |
| 16:23.23 | mheath | elg: I was mainly refering to standing online, rapidly moving the razor blade across the skin with no water or shaving cream. |
| 16:23.24 | levi | mheath: We really don't need to hear about your grooming habits. |
| 16:23.27 | mheath | *on line |
| 16:23.38 | mheath | levi: Meh, I know :) |
| 16:23.55 | elg | i bet you can use water and/or cream. |
| 16:24.07 | levi | mheath: I think I've heard you talk about shaving against the grain at least three times now. |
| 16:24.20 | elg | get a nice shaving brush and shaving soap |
| 16:24.21 | mheath | levi: OK? :P |
| 16:24.22 | elg | be different |
| 16:24.34 | elg | or just don't shave. I think it's possible |
| 16:24.36 | elg | look at harleypig |
| 16:24.50 | levi | mheath: So, SHUT UP about it already. You're such a broken record. |
| 16:25.33 | mheath | elg: meh, not possible. My body's having haircut withdrawls from not shaving my head, already |
| 16:25.42 | mheath | =D |
| 16:25.52 | Keighvin | levi: Cut him a little slack, he's just happy he has to shave. |
| 16:26.17 | mheath | Bah, no, _Sargun_ is happy he has to shave |
| 16:26.22 | mheath | Erm, don't know if he does.. |
| 16:26.30 | mheath | I hate having to shave :P |
| 16:26.31 | elg | technically we don't know that you do |
| 16:26.44 | Keighvin | s/has/gets/ |
| 16:27.07 | mheath | elg: indeed. I could really be a pedophile 30 year old. You wouldn't know :P |
| 16:27.15 | mheath | Though, I guess findlay and the oalug crowd would. |
| 16:27.40 | elg | and you could still not have to shave at 30, for all we know |
| 16:27.52 | mheath | indeed. |
| 16:28.12 | mheath | ~lart Keighvin |
| 16:28.19 | mheath | Wow. |
| 16:28.30 | redbeard1 | whoa. tmi. |
| 16:28.43 | mheath | Sorry, Keighvin, didn't know ibot was a masochist. |
| 16:28.51 | mheath | erm |
| 16:28.52 | mheath | sadist* |
| 16:29.07 | redbeard1 | ibot's into that whole m&m thing |
| 16:29.30 | mheath | redbeard1: candy on the outside, milk chocolate on the inside? |
| 16:29.32 | levi | I'm into M&Ms, too. Especially the peanut kind. |
| 16:29.43 | redbeard1 | yeah. so tasty. |
| 16:30.05 | redbeard1 | the dark chocolate m&m's were pretty disappointing tho |
| 16:30.30 | elg | reese's pieces |
| 16:30.33 | elg | that's where it's at |
| 16:30.34 | elg | with nuts |
| 16:30.51 | levi | I haven't tried those with nuts. |
| 16:31.04 | levi | They're good, but I can't eat as many of them as I can peanut M&Ms. |
| 16:31.04 | mheath | Didn't know they had em with nuts |
| 16:31.14 | mheath | levi is very excited the conversation topic changed |
| 16:31.31 | mheath | particularly because it changed from my bloody, razor burned upper lip. |
| 16:31.32 | mheath | :P |
| 16:31.46 | levi | Instead of just complaining about things, I like to do something to change them. |
| 16:31.49 | mheath | ~praise Peanut M&Ms |
| 16:31.50 | ibot | All hail Peanut M&Ms! |
| 16:31.54 | mheath | what does the M&M stand for? |
| 16:31.59 | elg | it's all a matter of skill. trust me |
| 16:32.01 | mheath | Bah, now I'm going to have to go to wikipedia :( |
| 16:32.17 | mheath | levi: But, I like to vent on IRC |
| 16:32.19 | mheath | dunno why |
| 16:32.25 | mheath | I'm a completely different person in real life |
| 16:32.33 | mheath | Much more reserved, and tend to talk about completely different things |
| 16:32.38 | levi | mheath: I'm going to start a campaign to ban you if you don't knock it off. |
| 16:32.50 | mheath | OK. |
| 16:32.58 | Jayce^ | levi, won't take all that much :) |
| 16:33.06 | mheath | :( |
| 16:33.07 | levi | I mean, occasional venting is one thing, but about all you do here is vent these days. |
| 16:33.33 | mheath | levi: because all my OSS-related ideas get shot down by you instantly :) |
| 16:33.37 | mheath | anyway, off to work |
| 16:33.39 | levi | I know I'm not the only one that is thorougly sick of it. |
| 16:34.38 | mheath | levi: OK, I'll try to lay off a bit. You take a lot of what I say way too seriously, though |
| 16:35.02 | levi | mheath: I do not take what you say seriously. I just find it incredibly annoying. |
| 16:36.46 | Keighvin | I like to have a mixed jar of skittles and M&M's on the desk so I can offer people some S&M's when they stop by. |
| 16:37.07 | graphyx | Keighvin: That's bad... |
| 16:37.23 | Keighvin | The chocolate breaks down a lot faster in the mouth than whatever that crap in skittles is, so you have to do about a 2:1 in favor of M&M's to get the blend right. |
| 16:37.26 | Keighvin | They're delicious though. |
| 16:37.53 | graphyx | I never thought of M&M's and skittles as good companion pieces. |
| 16:38.03 | graphyx | NEVER!!! |
| 16:38.13 | maquis | gah! |
| 16:38.20 | levi | M&Ms are an essential component of Gorp, though, which is good stuff. |
| 16:38.21 | maquis | seattle makes utah drivers look good :( |
| 16:38.22 | graphyx | good morning maquis |
| 16:38.35 | Keighvin | It's quite a good complement - only a shame that M&M doesn't make a dark chocolate version. |
| 16:38.36 | levi | maquis: I hate driving in Seattle. I sympathize with you. |
| 16:38.45 | levi | Keighvin: They do, but they're not that great. |
| 16:38.51 | maquis | i spent 2 hours on the bus this morning |
| 16:38.59 | graphyx | Keighvin: Umm.. .you realize that they launched dark chocolate this last year? |
| 16:39.30 | levi | maquis: At least you can do something interesting on the bus. When you're driving, the best you can do is listen to music or audiobooks. |
| 16:39.49 | Keighvin | maquis: The classic Seattle move on the roadway, from what I remember, is to be extremely laid back about merging into the lane next to you until the space you desire to inhabit is nearly overtaken by a car coming up from behind. |
| 16:40.01 | graphyx | yeah, if I could have someone drive me where I needed to go instead of driving myself that would be nice. |
| 16:40.02 | Keighvin | And then to do a blinkerless swerve to get in before the spot completely evaporates. |
| 16:40.23 | Keighvin | The Utah maneuver is similar, cutting in behind someone with only a hair's breadth of space as soon as the spot becomes available. |
| 16:40.42 | graphyx | I always hated the UTah convention of accellerate to make sure the person who turned on their blinker can't get in. |
| 16:40.57 | Keighvin | Unless, of course, you're right behind a slower vehicle - then so many cars are coming from behind you to get around there is no merge opportunity and you're sealed off in a little traffic bubble. |
| 16:41.03 | graphyx | I did a public speaking assigned on the topic or, Whacha thinking? Do the Blinkin... |
| 16:41.12 | graphyx | s/topic or/topic on/ |
| 16:41.31 | Keighvin | graphyx: I use that to my advantage - pace a little ahead as soon as they show aggression, watch them zip on ahead, and then merge into the now comfortably empty spot they left behind. |
| 16:41.58 | graphyx | Keighvin: interesting.. |
| 16:42.54 | Keighvin | So, S&M's, anyone? |
| 16:43.05 | levi | I hate the tendency people (just about everywhere) have to merge into the safe distance I leave between me and the person in front of me. |
| 16:43.23 | ^Migs^ | a handful of S&Ms? |
| 16:43.28 | Keighvin | levi: Amen, brother. Testify! |
| 16:43.36 | Keighvin | ^Migs^: Of course. ;) |
| 16:45.02 | maquis | the seattle way of driving involves getting onto the freeway, and immediately coming to a complete stop |
| 16:49.05 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, that move is the CA transplant driver method |
| 16:49.38 | levi | maquis: Or at least slowing down in proportion to your proximity to the left hand side of the road. |
| 16:49.57 | maquis | levi: something like that |
| 16:50.55 | ^Migs^ | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=155135 |
| 16:51.32 | elg | that's great news ^Migs^ |
| 16:51.50 | ^Migs^ | how is it great news? I'm FREAKING OUT |
| 16:53.03 | elg | it's natural selection in a good way |
| 16:53.13 | ^Migs^ | how? |
| 16:53.23 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 16:53.27 | ^Migs^ | technically, that's not natural selection |
| 16:53.47 | elg | technological selection then. people who talk on the phone for more than 4 hours a day are undesirable |
| 16:54.09 | elg | better they have trouble passing on their jeans |
| 16:54.18 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 16:54.20 | ^Migs^ | you make a valid point |
| 16:54.31 | elg | but I agree with that scientist, I find it highly unlikely that the cell phone is the real problem |
| 16:54.35 | ^Migs^ | I'd rather they kept their jeans on and didn't pass on their genes instead |
| 16:54.40 | elg | temperature rise from the hip pocket? come on. |
| 16:54.47 | maquis | elg: why does it make them have trouble passing on jeans? |
| 16:54.50 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I know. Anyone can use "facts" to "prove" anything. |
| 16:55.38 | maquis | i don't generally look into the phone habits of people who offer me a free pair of jeans... i look more at the jeans, whether they'll fit, and what condition they're in |
| 16:56.05 | ^Migs^ | who said the jeans were free? |
| 16:56.21 | maquis | well, if they're selling them, then i need to factor the price in |
| 16:56.33 | maquis | that doesn't change the fact that i don't look at their phone habits |
| 16:57.12 | elg | you wouldn't take jeans from a cell yakker |
| 16:57.28 | elg | you know the kind. they make you believe that maybe there are cooties in this world after all |
| 16:57.29 | ^Migs^ | but would you take jeans from a yak cellar? |
| 16:57.38 | ^Migs^ | or a yak seller |
| 16:57.46 | elg | sure, unless the yaks stepped all over them |
| 16:58.00 | redbeard1 | anyone know of a good place in orem to take my car in for state safety inspection? other than big-o, tunex or sears? |
| 16:58.14 | ^Migs^ | does pennzoil do safety inspecs? |
| 16:58.35 | herlo | redbeard1: if you wanna drive a bit, in Springville on Main St and 4th North there is a great little State/IM place |
| 16:58.48 | ^Migs^ | wtf? "Black women are "hugely responsible" for the family breakdown which fuels crime, MPs have been told." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6080096.stm |
| 16:58.56 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 16:59.09 | ^Migs^ | oh man. Good old-fashioned racism in the news. |
| 16:59.09 | herlo | or my roomy always goes to lube doc near ShopKo on state and Center... |
| 16:59.22 | harleypig | Wow ... this 50Cent/Queen Mashup is pretty good. |
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| 17:07.34 | ^Migs^ | wtf? New guy isn't at his desk. I swear, he's not at his desk like 1/3 of the day |
| 17:09.29 | ^Migs^ | haha, someone's blasting the Ghostbusters theme song in the office |
| 17:10.04 | levi | Woo. :) |
| 17:10.27 | ^Migs^ | made me softly chuckle |
| 17:10.42 | levi | I'm blasting the Pixies... in my headphones. |
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| 18:19.32 | dna3e8 | Any luck with fedora 6 |
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| 18:26.40 | graphyx | So when are these potato heads coming? |
| 18:26.46 | graphyx | This Tuber overloads? |
| 18:26.57 | graphyx | these |
| 18:34.19 | levi | Thanks to our earlier discussion here, I got myself a small bag of Reese's Pieces. |
| 18:40.27 | dna3e8 | Is any one running fedora 6 |
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| 18:50.30 | dna3e8 | can someone email me the torrent fiel to fedora 6 |
| 18:55.00 | goozbach | dna3e8: google? |
| 18:55.09 | goozbach | JFGI |
| 18:56.23 | emcnabb | dna3e8: I'm running it |
| 18:56.33 | goozbach | there's a link on fedoraproject.org |
| 18:56.34 | emcnabb | for a couple days now |
| 18:56.47 | emcnabb | I've had zero issues so far |
| 18:57.45 | elg | ~issues emcnabb |
| 18:57.56 | elg | ~issue emcnabb |
| 18:58.03 | elg | uncreative bot |
| 18:58.08 | emcnabb | levi: ~lart elg |
| 18:58.20 | elg | hehe |
| 18:58.24 | emcnabb | ~lart elf |
| 18:58.26 | elg | levi: ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:58.27 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:58.29 | emcnabb | doh |
| 18:59.23 | emcnabb | levi: you're a low level hardware guy, right? what's the best way to figure out what piece of hardware is causing a MCE? |
| 18:59.37 | elg | what's the best way to figure out what an MCE is |
| 18:59.39 | elg | ? |
| 19:00.57 | emcnabb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Check_Exception |
| 19:04.16 | elg | ic |
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| 19:04.27 | elg | next question: how do I get rid of this which is filling up my logs |
| 19:04.28 | elg | pci_set_power_state(): 0000:00:0b.0: state=3, current state=5 |
| 19:04.41 | elg | 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] |
| 19:04.50 | elg | besides taking that ethernet card out |
| 19:06.02 | elg | I'm pretty pleased with myself, I figured out the perfect way to keep an encrypted journal |
| 19:06.19 | elg | no-hassle, secure, easy to browse |
| 19:06.25 | elg | problem is, I should be doing homework |
| 19:07.43 | levi | emcnabb: It would depend on your chipset. |
| 19:08.51 | levi | emcnabb: The only one I've looked at in detail is the e5000 chipset for Intel Woodcrest platforms. |
| 19:10.04 | levi | elg: Why do you want an encrypted journal? |
| 19:10.34 | elg | If I'm going to make a fool of myself I'm going to do it in private |
| 19:10.36 | emcnabb | levi: there doesn't seem to be good documentation out there. ie. "MCE XXXX means the following". Running it through mcelog or parcemce gives you more info, but not a lot |
| 19:11.15 | levi | elg: That's no fun. |
| 19:11.20 | elg | emcnabb: sounds like you get to make up whatever you want |
| 19:12.21 | elg | levi: fun is for blogs |
| 19:13.05 | emcnabb | elg: I wish |
| 19:13.29 | elg | emcnabb: now click your heels together three times |
| 19:13.34 | elg | you are wearing ruby slippers, aren't you? |
| 19:13.46 | levi | emcnabb: What type of system is this? |
| 19:14.53 | emcnabb | Sun v40z |
| 19:16.07 | levi | This kind of stuff is all very architecture-specific. What CPUs? Chipset? OS? |
| 19:16.56 | emcnabb | K8 / AMD-8131 / RHEL4 U3 |
| 19:17.06 | emcnabb | I'm going to hunt around some more |
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| 19:17.48 | bytheway | emcnabb: how's it going? |
| 19:19.22 | levi | emcnabb: Generally the errors are reported in registers that are in the chipset. If you got a message, it was most likely a correctable error. And I would guess that it was a memory ECC error, since I think those are probably most likely, especially with the gobs of RAM you've got. |
| 19:21.46 | levi | emcnabb: You might try enabling edac in your kernel |
| 19:23.25 | levi | emcnabb: Looks like it uses the nVidia chipset. |
| 19:28.30 | tensai | ~prod Jayce^ |
| 19:28.36 | ibot | ACTION zaps Jayce^ with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 19:35.11 | emcnabb | http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/26094.PDF |
| 19:35.18 | emcnabb | levi: that has some good info |
| 19:35.26 | emcnabb | thanks for the help |
| 19:35.46 | levi | I don't know how much help I was, but you're welcome. |
| 19:36.03 | emcnabb | it's good to talk about it; it made me think about a few things |
| 19:36.06 | emcnabb | bytheway: it's going well |
| 19:36.12 | emcnabb | very busy, but good |
| 19:38.00 | bytheway | good |
| 19:38.08 | emcnabb | and yourself? |
| 19:38.33 | bytheway | doing well |
| 19:38.45 | bytheway | just working, trying to pay the bills |
| 19:39.11 | findlay | emcnabb is getting slack in his old age. Not the same old pugnacious emcnabb that was as willing to lart as much as laugh |
| 19:39.27 | emcnabb | ~lart findlay |
| 19:39.40 | amcnabb | findlay hasn't changed though. :) |
| 19:39.48 | findlay | heh |
| 19:43.01 | levi | Man, I love Astor Piazzolli tangos. |
| 19:43.12 | emcnabb | I love mangos |
| 19:44.20 | levi | Me too, but they're not so nice to listen to. |
| 19:44.49 | findlay | yes, but what do tangos taste like? |
| 19:47.40 | redbeard1 | findlay: tangy? |
| 19:49.43 | findlay | would they taste good with salt? |
| 19:51.10 | graphyx | tangoes would probably taste like plastic. |
| 19:51.49 | levi | They taste like accordion! |
| 19:52.39 | Jayce^ | mmm. tangelos |
| 19:56.12 | levi | http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_programming.shtml |
| 19:56.54 | graphyx | jackalopes? |
| 20:00.34 | elg | one thing I hate about this denotational semantics class is every class we have a different set of semantics for one of about 4 or 5 different "languages" |
| 20:00.52 | elg | and then the homework says "Consider the File Editor language that we studied in class. Add this and that..." |
| 20:03.35 | amcnabb | levi: those are pretty good. :) |
| 20:05.47 | findlay | I've found they are just full of a lot of hot air |
| 20:06.55 | Tene | and what exactly is the problem with that, elg? |
| 20:07.51 | findlay | it's tasteless |
| 20:09.30 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.45 | elg | Tene: no problem, as long as they don't dock me for using the one _I_ pick |
| 20:09.51 | elg | but I know they will, so there's the problem |
| 20:10.08 | elg | but I got 125% on the midterm in this class, so I'm not worried |
| 20:10.36 | elg | overall. however the TA keeps taking points off where he shouldn't. I think I understand the material better than he does |
| 20:10.39 | Tene | So there were multiple file editor languages discussed? |
| 20:11.18 | levi | I guess you have to consider where they get TAs for graduate classes. |
| 20:12.06 | levi | I would assume that the cream of the grad students would be doing research or something instead of grading papers. |
| 20:12.21 | levi | Though I suppose I could be mistaken. |
| 20:13.47 | amcnabb | levi, you can't really say no when your advisor asks you to TA. |
| 20:13.58 | amcnabb | That's how it usually happens around here, anyway. |
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| 20:16.15 | Keighvin | ~tick |
| 20:16.16 | ibot | Eating kittens is just plain wrong! And no-one should do it, ever! |
| 20:17.32 | findlay | ~tock |
| 20:20.18 | synic_ | where's that thing that will convert extensions so they will work with firefox 2? |
| 20:20.37 | elg | often they do both |
| 20:20.52 | elg | unless there's loads of funding in that research group, TA is a way to get paid |
| 20:21.19 | elg | or it's a stipulation of a fellowship |
| 20:21.53 | levi | Ah. Well, then perhaps you just got unlucky with a TA that's stronger in other areas. |
| 20:23.21 | graphyx | synic_: nightly tester tool |
| 20:24.00 | synic_ | graphyx: do you have a url by chance? |
| 20:24.44 | graphyx | http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly |
| 20:25.07 | synic_ | cool |
| 20:31.16 | elg | levi: yup, or lazy :) |
| 20:31.41 | levi | "30 Mix until smooth" |
| 20:32.01 | findlay | these Mozart wind serenades are awesome |
| 20:32.06 | emcnabb | wow. I haven't heard this for years: "ASCII stupid question, get stupid ANSI." |
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| 20:35.43 | levi | findlay: I'm still enjoying my Piazzolli tangos. |
| 20:36.51 | findlay | I bet they don't taste as good as my Mozart serenades |
| 20:38.50 | mheath | bah. |
| 20:39.06 | mheath | where to get lunch? |
| 20:39.35 | elg | gandolfos |
| 20:39.40 | elg | pizza hut |
| 20:39.42 | elg | applebees |
| 20:39.47 | mheath | No applebees. |
| 20:39.48 | Tene | I didn't really like gandolfos |
| 20:39.56 | elg | better than subway |
| 20:39.59 | mheath | everyone keeps recommending gondolfos to me |
| 20:40.16 | ^Migs^ | you've never been to gandolfos? |
| 20:40.25 | ^Migs^ | WHO? ARE? YOU? |
| 20:40.40 | ^Migs^ | seriously, though, ignore Tene. Gandolfo's is awesome. |
| 20:41.00 | elg | get yourself a reuben sandwich |
| 20:41.00 | mheath | Ok, got a question |
| 20:41.05 | elg | there's a sandwich worth eating |
| 20:41.10 | linuxalien | mmm food |
| 20:41.12 | mheath | is 9,606 dollars a reasonable quote for attening a year of UoU? |
| 20:41.18 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 20:41.22 | ^Migs^ | that's a lot of money |
| 20:41.26 | ^Migs^ | sounds about right, though |
| 20:41.29 | Tene | ^Migs^: I didn't say that he shouldn't go there, I said that I didn't like it. |
| 20:41.33 | elg | what for? tuition? everything? |
| 20:41.39 | mheath | Living on campus, that is. |
| 20:41.39 | ^Migs^ | Tene: Your opinion is wrong. |
| 20:41.41 | mheath | elg: Yes. |
| 20:41.50 | Tene | ... |
| 20:41.58 | redbeard1 | i'm with Tene. i think gandolfos is awful. |
| 20:42.15 | ^Migs^ | you're awful |
| 20:42.17 | mheath | redbeard1: thats because your a walking 5 star restraunt :P |
| 20:42.30 | elg | I happen to think the local "best mexican food" place makes terrible enchiladas |
| 20:42.36 | mheath | redbeard1 doesn't buy food, redbeard1 makes it |
| 20:42.55 | elg | they taste like stale corn tortillas covered with water with a little red chile powder dissolved in it |
| 20:42.58 | redbeard1 | actually, i go to subway on occassion. not the best food in the world, but not horrible either. |
| 20:43.05 | elg | a little picante but completely tasteless |
| 20:43.13 | mheath | elg: is 9606 reasonable? |
| 20:43.17 | elg | redbeard1: give me gandolfo's over subway any day |
| 20:43.30 | elg | how much per month is that? |
| 20:43.31 | mheath | I think they're in the middle of updating my student aid file at UoU. The website shows some changes, but they're incomplete |
| 20:43.42 | elg | does it include tuition? how much is tuition? |
| 20:43.43 | mheath | Anyway, it says that 9606 is my "Federal estimated Cost of Attendance" |
| 20:43.51 | redbeard1 | i like that when i pick up a sandwich at subway and take it home, it's not soggy by the time i get there |
| 20:43.53 | elg | what utilities are included, etc. etc. |
| 20:44.05 | ^Migs^ | I like El Matador |
| 20:44.06 | redbeard1 | then again, i could just be ordering the wrong sandwiches at gandolfos |
| 20:44.09 | elg | redbeard1: dude, that is so totally not my experience |
| 20:44.10 | Tene | the sandwich I had at gandolfos had a bunch of oil and mayonaise and crap like that on it |
| 20:44.16 | elg | when I have subway it's soggy before I can sneeze |
| 20:44.20 | mheath | meaning, 9606 is kind of the 'cap' on how much student aid I can get, apparently. |
| 20:44.24 | Tene | yeah, exactly |
| 20:44.25 | graphyx | I liked the Italian Place in Orem. |
| 20:44.28 | graphyx | Good sandwiches. |
| 20:44.37 | redbeard1 | ooh, i went to the italian place yesterday |
| 20:44.42 | mheath | elg: ask for it toasted. |
| 20:44.56 | graphyx | redbeard1: You like it? |
| 20:45.07 | elg | tuition, housing, food |
| 20:45.07 | redbeard1 | graphyx: yeah, they have a good cheesesteak |
| 20:45.24 | elg | don't forget utilities. calculate your monthly (and therefore semesterly) costs |
| 20:45.34 | graphyx | redbeard1: celestial confections. |
| 20:45.34 | elg | multiply by appropriate numbers |
| 20:45.36 | Tene | I went to Quiznos a while ago. I got that new sandwich they've been advertising. |
| 20:45.37 | mheath | elg: on average, do you think 9606 could cover an average students cost for a year? |
| 20:45.39 | elg | do the calculator dance |
| 20:45.48 | redbeard1 | graphyx: who what? |
| 20:45.49 | Tene | cheesesteak, I think |
| 20:45.52 | elg | it really depends on the housing options, tuition, etc. |
| 20:45.56 | Tene | the meat was *TOUGH* |
| 20:46.04 | Tene | I could not bite through a lot of it. |
| 20:46.05 | ^Migs^ | that was the cutest thing I've ever heard. My 1 year old who already talks called me on the phone. |
| 20:46.12 | graphyx | redbeard1: restaurant name idea. |
| 20:46.27 | redbeard1 | graphyx: gotcha |
| 20:46.28 | graphyx | ^Migs^: It gets better too... |
| 20:46.45 | elg | but a back of the envelope calculation: $200/mo for housing (you can probably do better, at least you could in provo), $400/mo for food (that's just a figure I pulled out of the air), and whatever tuition is |
| 20:46.50 | ^Migs^ | well, I know, I have a 3 year old |
| 20:46.53 | Tene | I had trouble cutting through it with a small knife. |
| 20:47.04 | ^Migs^ | but it's so adorable to hear a kid that young talking and carrying on a conversation |
| 20:47.08 | mheath | elg: I'm living on campus |
| 20:47.10 | graphyx | ^Migs^: I have a 5,4,2 and almost 1 year old. |
| 20:47.14 | mheath | dorm room, cafeteria food plan |
| 20:47.33 | elg | ^Migs^: my just 2 year old will jabber up a storm but put a phone to his ear and he just sits there staring |
| 20:47.36 | elg | makes me proud |
| 20:47.37 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 20:47.40 | ^Migs^ | my 3 year old does that. |
| 20:47.45 | elg | no lazy sperm for him |
| 20:47.57 | ^Migs^ | doesn't stop talking, and even has some play phones she talks on (also adorable), but gets shy on the phone with a real person |
| 20:48.22 | mheath | I should visit the bank more often after work... |
| 20:48.33 | ^Migs^ | my 1 year old doesn't get shy at all |
| 20:48.35 | mheath | Carrying around over $200 on a day-to-day basis probably isn't smart.. |
| 20:48.48 | elg | get some kind of non-cash dispersal system |
| 20:48.49 | ^Migs^ | unless you're a millionaire, then it's probably normal |
| 20:48.55 | elg | debit card, checkbook, whatever |
| 20:49.00 | ^Migs^ | are YOU a millionaire, mheath? |
| 20:49.09 | mheath | elg: I do, but these are tips from work. |
| 20:49.12 | ^Migs^ | I know those Applebee's employees make a crapload |
| 20:49.23 | mheath | On busy days when I'm working a double, I'll usually walk home with about $100-$120 in tips |
| 20:49.32 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 20:49.33 | ^Migs^ | holy crap |
| 20:50.03 | mheath | ^Migs^: thats few and far between, though. |
| 20:50.06 | ^Migs^ | nice place to work |
| 20:50.10 | mheath | Thats like, two shifts on a good Saturday |
| 20:50.11 | ^Migs^ | I wish people would tip me |
| 20:50.20 | mheath | It gets balanced out by days like today, where I made $10 this morning. |
| 20:50.39 | mheath | all in all, though, its a really good job for working in a restraunt |
| 20:50.44 | ^Migs^ | sounds good |
| 20:50.51 | mheath | Good benefits for working in a restraunt, too. Paid vacation, healthcare, etc. |
| 20:51.00 | ^Migs^ | I never had a job working in a restaurant. I missed out. |
| 20:51.09 | ^Migs^ | are you full-time there? |
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| 20:51.13 | ^Migs^ | I didn't know you got health care |
| 20:51.18 | mheath | ^Migs^: Yeah, I am. |
| 20:51.31 | mheath | I don't have their healthcare, because I'm still under Tricare for a while. |
| 20:52.20 | mheath | woah, I have a $2 bill :) |
| 20:52.55 | ^Migs^ | hang on to it. It might be worth a lot someday. |
| 20:53.14 | Tene | ^Migs^: if you want $2 bills, just go to the bank and ask |
| 20:53.37 | mheath | Yeah, they used to be rare because there was a big time period where they weren't minting $2's |
| 20:53.46 | mheath | But they've started minting them again |
| 20:53.46 | graphyx | ^Migs^: sure like in 200 years or so it would be worth more than $2 |
| 20:53.51 | mheath | This is 2003 |
| 20:54.13 | mheath | Back 10 years ago, I think they were pretty rare, because they hadn't minted them since like the 70's or something |
| 20:54.14 | ^Migs^ | one day all American money should be worth something |
| 20:54.29 | mheath | Sure |
| 20:54.39 | mheath | 1 million years ago, when future archaeologists are digging here.... |
| 20:54.43 | Tene | graphyx: or the money system collapses entirely and they become worthless. |
| 20:54.46 | ^Migs^ | yup |
| 20:54.50 | mheath | A precious American 25 cent coin! |
| 20:55.11 | mheath | erm, 1 million years from now* |
| 20:55.15 | ^Migs^ | I wonder how humans will change 1 million years from now |
| 20:55.19 | graphyx | harleypig: Are you on the wall of fame at sensuous sandwiches? |
| 20:55.21 | macnewbold | it might take a long time for a $2 to be worth more than the $2 it is worth now, especially since inflation will keep making $2 at some future time worth less and less than $2 now |
| 20:55.33 | ^Migs^ | I wonder if my descendants will know who I was |
| 20:55.35 | redbeard1 | graphyx: harleypig didn't even make it halfway |
| 20:55.41 | mheath | ^Migs^: Probably |
| 20:55.46 | ^Migs^ | they better |
| 20:55.47 | graphyx | redbeard1: you sure? |
| 20:55.48 | mheath | The computer age has revolutioned geneology. |
| 20:55.50 | ^Migs^ | or I'll come and haunt them in their sleep |
| 20:56.07 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i was there. |
| 20:56.09 | emcnabb | mheath's back! woohoo |
| 20:56.14 | mheath | It'll be much easier to find records of US, 100 years from now, than it is to currently find records of people born in the late 1800's. |
| 20:56.49 | graphyx | mheath: Unfortunately all of the records will have DRM installed on them preventing any "authorized" player to be found to aid in reading the material. |
| 20:56.50 | elg | yes, but it will also be much more polluted with everyone's fantasies |
| 20:56.57 | harleypig | graphyx: Not since high school |
| 20:57.11 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you didn't do it in high school. wuss. |
| 20:57.13 | elg | so it'll be just as hard to figure out who you're related to, because of an overload of information :) |
| 20:57.44 | mheath | No. Birth records. Government records. |
| 20:57.55 | mheath | I'm not talking about like....the LDS church geneology database |
| 20:57.59 | ^Migs^ | it's weird how nobody has "unique" descendants, i.e., descendants that are only YOUR descendants. |
| 20:58.03 | mheath | I'm talking about official, reliable records |
| 20:58.15 | ^Migs^ | maybe when cloning becomes popular, that will be more common |
| 20:58.17 | mheath | Birth certificates are MUCH, MUCH more common for this generation than they were for previous ones. |
| 20:58.53 | mheath | And your birth certificate says reliably who your parents were. |
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| 20:59.52 | tensai | my mother was a hamster and my father smelled of elder berries. what more is there to know? |
| 21:00.23 | elg | mheath: it certainly seems that way for now |
| 21:00.39 | elg | never underestimate the power of government to screw up royally |
| 21:00.45 | mheath | tensai: No, I will NOT by this record, it is scratched. |
| 21:00.53 | mheath | elg: I'm sure some records will be lost, but thats a different matter |
| 21:01.02 | elg | especially if they're storing data in electronic form, because you should never underestimate the power of a computer to crash catastrophically |
| 21:01.05 | mheath | 100+ years ago, a ton of people never even GOT birth certificates |
| 21:01.09 | elg | which I'm sure the government often does |
| 21:01.11 | mheath | some states/areas didn't even have them |
| 21:02.19 | tensai | why would they need one? does it make the crops grow faster? |
| 21:02.40 | elg | tensai: depends on the paper used |
| 21:03.03 | emcnabb | in 100+ years we'll all be running GNU/Hurd |
| 21:03.14 | tensai | and the Hurd will set us Free |
| 21:03.28 | emcnabb | let us all pray to Stallman |
| 21:04.06 | nick125- | emcnabb: you mean it will actually be finished? |
| 21:04.11 | elg | almost |
| 21:04.12 | emcnabb | yes |
| 21:04.31 | tensai | Duke Nukem Forever, now for GNU/Hurd |
| 21:04.38 | emcnabb | tensai: oh yeah |
| 21:08.51 | tensai | Our Stallman who art in Boston, hallowed be thy software. Thy License come, thy Hurd be done, in GDB as it is in Emacs. |
| 21:09.45 | mheath | Cambridge. |
| 21:10.25 | tensai | boston, cambridge. they're all a bunch of hippies. |
| 21:10.57 | mheath | Speaking of that, MIT keeps sending me crap |
| 21:11.09 | mheath | I get like a giant booklet-brochure from them every week now |
| 21:11.16 | mheath | They've sent me 3 copies fo their application |
| 21:11.58 | mheath | I should finish filling out their application online |
| 21:12.03 | mheath | let them know I had a 3.0 highschool GPA |
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| 21:12.09 | mheath | that will stop the mailings, I'm sure |
| 21:13.40 | tristanbob | tensai: nice poem! you should post that |
| 21:13.42 | decriptor | don't know anyone is interested, but I know of a student type job opening its in the QA department (sorry a windows company of sorts - though we are switching over to postgres for our commercial app) |
| 21:14.50 | decriptor | sorry I should have reread the beginning there does anyone know someone or is there someone that needs a job? I haven't had the chance yet to post to the mailing lists |
| 21:14.54 | decriptor | I |
| 21:15.03 | decriptor | I'm going to try and do that today sometime |
| 21:15.15 | decriptor | with more detail too |
| 21:19.16 | emcnabb | tensai: that was awesome |
| 21:19.34 | emcnabb | mheath: the FSF offices are in Boston |
| 21:21.19 | emcnabb | decriptor: mheath is looking for employment |
| 21:23.56 | levi | tensai: His name is Saint IGNUcious, get it right! |
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| 21:41.51 | levi | Not surprising, considering the last release was in 1998. |
| 21:42.43 | elg | how am I going to print this utf-8 file with unicode characters then? |
| 21:43.01 | elg | translating to latex would be tedious at best |
| 21:43.08 | elg | I very much doubt the printer does unicode on its own |
| 21:43.30 | elg | I doubt latin-1 even has all these characters |
| 21:44.24 | levi | Postscript doesn't do unicode, either, so you have to render the characters in your document. |
| 21:45.37 | levi | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO-5.html |
| 21:47.58 | elg | right |
| 21:48.01 | levi | Huh, Zydeco in French. |
| 21:59.11 | mrpull_ | isn't zydeco a cajun thing... and isn't cajun a french thing? |
| 21:59.18 | levi | Yes and yes. |
| 22:01.05 | elg | ok, firefox mostly helped out |
| 22:01.17 | elg | there was one character it didn't know but I could replace that easy enough with something simpler |
| 22:01.41 | levi | I was just playing stuff more or less at random, and was surprised to come across it. |
| 22:04.28 | scott_ | I don't read /. so I don't know how covered it's been, but http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_4486527 is a pretty interesting overview of the evidence and such in the reiser "murder" case. |
| 22:07.49 | levi | scott_: I found another article a while ago that had more details about Nina's extramarital affairs. Pretty crazy stuff. |
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| 22:11.54 | scott_ | the end of that article had the really interesting stuff. he bought two books about homicide investigations a few days after her murder, the front seat was missing, and he'd apparently taken a little trip involving black garbage bags |
| 22:12.50 | elg | doesn't look good, but I sure hope he isn't convicted on circumstancial evidence like that |
| 22:13.00 | scott_ | sounds like he did everything wrong though if he wanted them not to consider him the prime suspect |
| 22:13.22 | scott_ | elg, I agree. |
| 22:13.53 | macnewbold | the circumstantial evidence may turn to corroborating evidence, if they get something concrete to go with it |
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| 22:19.51 | elg | http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2006/10/good_news_day.html |
| 22:20.05 | elg | fascinating |
| 22:22.09 | mrpull_ | heh... i need to reinstall the adblock extension |
| 22:28.28 | Jayce^ | elg, wow, that's crazy |
| 22:32.48 | elg | really weird disorder in the first place |
| 22:32.59 | levi | Yeah, that's really wild. |
| 22:33.05 | elg | can do public speaking but not talk in person? can talk alone but not to others. weird |
| 22:33.19 | Jayce^ | $STDOUT = undef; |
| 22:33.45 | Tene | $STDOUT = @Jayce; |
| 22:34.17 | elg | Jayce^.destroy() |
| 22:39.12 | Keighvin | elg: Si, fascinating. |
| 22:39.20 | Keighvin | But definitely in keeping with neuroscience. |
| 22:39.29 | elg | absolutely |
| 22:40.17 | Keighvin | It's actually very similar to the therapies used for treating Capgras syndrome. |
| 22:40.23 | Keighvin | ~wiki Capgras delusion |
| 22:41.02 | Keighvin | What happens in that case, is the pathways between visual recognition and emotional response become... corrupted, for lack of a better word. |
| 22:41.14 | Keighvin | The mind doesn't handle that mis-mapping well. |
| 22:41.35 | Jayce^ | fsck /dev/brain |
| 22:41.40 | Keighvin | While the object (or person) is perfectly recognizable, the intended emotional response, even a subtle queue, is not triggered. |
| 22:41.54 | Keighvin | This causes the recognition to be rejected. |
| 22:42.24 | Keighvin | Even though they know in all factual and episodic terms that the person is who they're supposed to be, since the dominant means of social recognition is inhibited a delusion is created. |
| 22:42.37 | Keighvin | It happens almost exclusively with regard to the visual cortex. |
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| 22:43.20 | Keighvin | The therapy usually involves re-establishing secondary recognition pathways - touch, sound, smell (not usually taste) to determine the identity by still triggering the expected emotional recognition. |
| 22:43.37 | Keighvin | By using an alternate means to address a similar task, the brain does indeed remap - but it takes practice. |
| 22:43.59 | Keighvin | The synapses have to be formed and then strengthened until the calcium patterns reinforce the conductivity to those regions. |
| 22:44.08 | Keighvin | </soapbox> |
| 22:49.28 | levi | Interesting stuff. |
| 22:53.24 | rsimpkins | I'm surprised vim dominates on our member profiles so much. |
| 22:53.28 | rsimpkins | really interesting. |
| 22:54.02 | Tene | howso? |
| 22:54.02 | levi | I'm not really surprised. |
| 22:54.28 | rsimpkins | Well, there is typically such a debate between emacs and vim users. |
| 22:54.41 | rsimpkins | You'd think that emacs would have one a few more ppl over - but it is clear they have not. |
| 22:54.47 | Tene | yeah, but those supporting emacs are just trolls. |
| 22:54.52 | Tene | nobody actually *uses* it. |
| 22:54.52 | levi | It's a regional thing. |
| 22:54.59 | levi | Tene: I use emacs all the time. |
| 22:54.59 | rsimpkins | levi: Really? |
| 22:55.02 | Tene | s/one/won/ |
| 22:55.07 | Tene | levi: I'm trolling. |
| 22:55.34 | levi | rsimpkins: Well, I should say it's a cultural thing. |
| 22:55.40 | synic_ | levi: do you have the url of that flash video of emacs editing rails code? |
| 22:55.40 | rsimpkins | Been a while since we've had 5 ppl on the web site at once. |
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| 22:55.54 | levi | synic_: I'll see if I can find it for you. |
| 22:56.05 | rsimpkins | levi: What culture prefers emacs? |
| 22:56.08 | Tene | I have a quicktime video of textmate being used to edit Catalyst code. |
| 22:56.27 | levi | http://platypope.org/yada/emacs-demo/ |
| 22:56.43 | synic_ | thanks |
| 22:57.00 | levi | rsimpkins: I've heard of some unix users groups that are almost exclusively emacs users. |
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| 22:57.17 | levi | rsimpkins: And then there's our local group that's almost exclusively vim users. |
| 22:57.48 | rsimpkins | levi: So maybe a Unix vs. Linux thing? |
| 22:58.20 | levi | rsimpkins: No, it's just an arbitrary self-reinforcing preference in a local group. |
| 22:58.40 | Tene | it's a "robotic wrists" versus "human wrists" thing. |
| 22:58.53 | Tene | robots don't have trouble pressing ten modifier keys at once. |
| 23:01.15 | levi | You almost never have to press more than one modifier at once. Meta can be triggered by hitting ESC before your chord. |
| 23:01.53 | findlay | levi: for me it's just a preference for the modal editor |
| 23:01.59 | rsimpkins | another thing I thought was interesting was how many propriatary desktop users there are, considering the data is from "advanced+" users |
| 23:02.21 | levi | rsimpkins: What do you mean by proprietary desktop users? |
| 23:02.55 | levi | findlay: You can make emacs a modal editor, too. And you can use vim in a non-modal way, IIRC. |
| 23:03.00 | rsimpkins | levi: Apple+MS |
| 23:03.55 | levi | rsimpkins: Why should 'advanced+' have any correlation with freeness? |
| 23:04.01 | Tene | you can use vim in "easy mode" which doesn't let you leave "insert mode" |
| 23:04.25 | rsimpkins | Anyone here work at Tomax? |
| 23:06.34 | rsimpkins | levi: I guessed that with the number of technically advanced users there would be a greater acceptance of Linux on the desktop. There doesn't seem to be. |
| 23:07.08 | levi | Oh, I use Linux on the desktop at work, but I prefer OS X. |
| 23:08.35 | levi | And Linux on the desktop should really be more about non-technical users. Technically advanced users have been able to run Linux even when it was really hard. |
| 23:08.47 | findlay | levi: in that case it just comes down to what the keys are mapped to |
| 23:10.02 | levi | findlay: There's more to the difference between emacs and vim than that, but the default key mappings and editing behavior are indeed what a lot of people seem to be religious about. |
| 23:10.47 | findlay | they are just text editors after all |
| 23:10.49 | levi | I don't either. |
| 23:10.55 | levi | I use both of them fairly regularly. |
| 23:11.58 | levi | Sometimes my vim skills suit a problem better than my emacs skills do. |
| 23:12.04 | findlay | 100 years from now people will wonder why we got so worked up about something as stupid as a text editor |
| 23:12.09 | Tene | wtf? |
| 23:12.13 | Tene | This address is restricted |
| 23:12.14 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.18 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.21 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.23 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.26 | Tene | This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes other than Web browsing. Firefox has canceled the request for your protection. |
| 23:12.38 | levi | Um. |
| 23:12.53 | findlay | Tene: you pasted a bunch of blanks BTW |
| 23:13.09 | Tene | I noticed. I didn't intend to. I apologize. |
| 23:13.19 | findlay | oh sure (-: |
| 23:13.37 | Tene | firefox won't let me visit http://::1:3456/ |
| 23:13.55 | findlay | what listens on port 3456? |
| 23:14.05 | Tene | the app I'm testing right now |
| 23:14.15 | Tene | also won't let me visit ::1:80 apparently |
| 23:14.23 | findlay | wierd |
| 23:14.35 | Tene | It has a 'try again' button, but it gives me the same message when I click it. |
| 23:14.53 | findlay | is that a well formed URL:port string? |
| 23:15.27 | Tene | ::1 is a valid ipv6 address, but maybe ports are specified differently in ipv6? |
| 23:15.52 | findlay | one or the other is in [brackets], don't remember which |
| 23:15.53 | Tene | but it also gives the same message for http://::1/ |
| 23:16.45 | Tene | m'eh |
| 23:16.58 | Tene | m'eh |
| 23:17.03 | Tene | I can't connect anyway. |
| 23:17.42 | Tene | Hmm. |
| 23:17.53 | Tene | sudo netstat -a -p -n|grep 3456 |
| 23:17.54 | findlay | Tene: just wondering whether your spaces contained a hidden message that could only be read by holding a lighter next to the monitor |
| 23:17.58 | Tene | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3456 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7695/perl |
| 23:18.05 | Tene | [tene@corktooth ~]$ nc localhost 3456 |
| 23:18.10 | Tene | [tene@corktooth ~]$ |
| 23:18.23 | findlay | how about telnet? |
| 23:18.41 | Tene | nc is telnet without escape chars and such |
| 23:18.52 | rsimpkins | Tene: lsof -p 7695 |
| 23:18.56 | findlay | but telnet has emotional value |
| 23:19.16 | rsimpkins | That looks suspicous to me. |
| 23:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 23:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Not listening on any IPv6, just IPv4 |
| 23:20.01 | Tene | No, that's a process I'm running. |
| 23:20.19 | rsimpkins | oh - good. A root kit often starts stuff that looks like that. |
| 23:20.44 | rsimpkins | Tene: For what its worth - isn't only listing to ipv4? |
| 23:21.06 | Tene | yeah, so it seems. I was just trying ::1 on a hunch |
| 23:21.15 | Tene | rsimpkins: http://allalone.org/lsof7965 |
| 23:24.53 | rsimpkins | Tene: It might be your Perl doesn't support ipv6. |
| 23:25.30 | Tene | rsimpkins: I don't need it to. I was trying v6 because I thought the reason I couldn't connect might have been that it was only listening on v6. |
| 23:29.32 | levi | Gah, I got hit with 2125 spam emails to my domain in the last couple of days. |
| 23:30.44 | mheath | Bought a new phone today :) |
| 23:31.59 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: Hi there. Thanks for the submittion to the companies list. |
| 23:32.13 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: Is there a CS dept logo that would go in line with all of this? |
| 23:38.59 | Keighvin | Bye y'all. |
| 23:40.22 | Sargun | Tene, ps aux|grep 7695 |
| 23:40.42 | Sargun | mheath, congrats |
| 23:41.53 | findlay | ~phone mheath |
| 23:42.05 | findlay | ~call mheath |
| 23:42.06 | ibot | ACTION looks around and then screams out mheath as loudly as possible |
| 23:42.17 | findlay | heh, that's a good one |
| 23:46.05 | Tene | Sargun: I don't need to know what process it is. I started it. |
| 23:46.14 | Tene | I've just set it up under mod_perl. |
| 23:47.47 | Sargun | oh |