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| 00:26.32 | Tene | findlay: I'm not certain I understand your question |
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| 01:16.40 | findlay | I guess basically you have functinality and presentation. I would want to have all the functinality in perl and all the presentation in the markup |
| 01:17.01 | findlay | but maybe you can't do that. Maybe you need a templating system |
| 01:23.43 | Tene | example? |
| 01:36.42 | findlay | HTML::Seamstress |
| 01:37.06 | findlay | in that you represent the HTML in perl with HTML::Tree |
| 01:37.46 | findlay | that's why I like it. It treats the markup semantically rather than lexically |
| 01:38.35 | findlay | and there's no embedding going on either way |
| 01:38.59 | maquis | hmmm... looks like i missed him |
| 01:39.05 | findlay | heh |
| 01:39.09 | maquis | by a grand total of 1 minute |
| 01:39.16 | findlay | ~miss maquis |
| 01:39.25 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of maquis. |
| 01:39.50 | Sargun | *Does the happy dance* |
| 01:39.58 | mheath | Hey, I have a question. Would it be easy, with Perl, to extract information from an e-mail / text document, automatically log onto a secured website, and use the extracted information to fill out and submit a form on said website? |
| 01:40.16 | Sargun | python |
| 01:40.32 | findlay | depends on how familliar you are with WWW::Mechanize |
| 01:40.37 | nick125_lappy | you could do it with perl, sure |
| 01:40.45 | mheath | findlay: not at all familiar |
| 01:40.53 | mheath | I'm a bit nervous about doing it automated, though =\ |
| 01:40.56 | findlay | well, it's not that hard to learn |
| 01:41.09 | mheath | This is for that USNSCC group |
| 01:41.18 | mheath | They have to do correspondence courses for rank advancement |
| 01:41.33 | mheath | The way the setup works right now, we have a form for submitting course work on our local groups website |
| 01:41.41 | mheath | That form sends an e-mail that contains their answer submissions |
| 01:42.09 | mheath | the process right now is to print off said e-mail, and then manually enter it into the US Navy's website |
| 01:42.43 | mheath | The work is USN coursework, and is corrected by the USN....If one of the cadets later enlists in the navy, courses completed while in this program counts towards their Naval career. |
| 01:43.04 | mheath | I'm nervous about automating submissions to such an important, government system. |
| 01:43.13 | mheath | Worried something might break and submit things incorrectly or erroneously. |
| 01:43.39 | mheath | At the same time, manually reentering hundreds of forms is annoying and tedious. |
| 01:44.51 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:48.20 | maquis | mheath: just test it really well |
| 01:48.47 | maquis | and have some sort of monitoring mechanism so that you can detect if something goes wrong |
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| 01:51.00 | mheath | maquis: but IF something goes wrong.... |
| 01:51.18 | mheath | Call up Pensacola and say "Yeah, I submitted a bunch of erroneous forms to your site"? |
| 01:55.27 | mheath | maquis: you work with databases some there, I'm assuming? Ever do any backend stuff related to anything like a shopping cart? |
| 01:56.10 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:58.04 | levi_home | mheath: Have you read any database texts? |
| 01:58.14 | elg | normalization? |
| 01:58.38 | levi_home | mheath: Relational databases were designed around some pretty solid theory, which if you learn, makes structuring your databases properly much easier. |
| 01:59.13 | mheath | levi_home: I know, but this isn't a massive database project. |
| 01:59.23 | levi_home | mheath: It doesn't matter. |
| 01:59.28 | mheath | This is a database in Openoffice.org Base, using OpenOffice.org Base's forms for data entry. |
| 01:59.37 | levi_home | mheath: That doesn't matter either. |
| 01:59.46 | mheath | Let me ask my question |
| 01:59.50 | mheath | This is to keep track of item checkouts |
| 02:00.13 | levi_home | You're going to have to learn database normalization sooner or later. |
| 02:00.18 | mheath | Whats a good way to do this, rather than Having 100's of QUANTITY_TROUERSBLUEUTILITY like columns? |
| 02:01.00 | mheath | *TROUSERS |
| 02:01.15 | levi_home | You really need to learn about databases. |
| 02:02.24 | mheath | Well, someone suggested I use a relation. Have another database that contains all of the items available for checkout, with a unique ID for each |
| 02:02.33 | levi_home | There are any number of relational database tutorials on the web. |
| 02:02.38 | mheath | Then I just have to stick the Unique IDs in the database of checking-out clients |
| 02:02.41 | goozbach | mheath: start from the beginning |
| 02:02.52 | goozbach | learning about relational databases |
| 02:04.41 | levi_home | http://www.15seconds.com/issue/020522.htm |
| 02:06.23 | mheath | Wait..All a relational database is is a field value in one table refers to a record in another, right? |
| 02:06.59 | mheath | I got an idea :) |
| 02:07.12 | mheath | Table USER and Table CHECKOUT |
| 02:07.21 | mheath | CHECKOUT has a USER field..... |
| 02:08.00 | mheath | CHECKOUT keeps track of each checkout transaction, one item checkout per record |
| 02:08.33 | mheath | Then theres anothe table, ITEMS |
| 02:08.53 | mheath | It assigns a unique ID to each available type of item |
| 02:09.07 | goozbach | mheath: there's no quick and dirty way to do relational data |
| 02:09.33 | mheath | ID = 1, DESCRIPTION = "Trousers, Blue, Utility" GENDER = "M" |
| 02:09.48 | mheath | Then, in CHECKOUT: |
| 02:10.39 | mheath | CHID = 1, USER = "MHEATH", ITEM = 1, QUANTITY=2 |
| 02:10.44 | mheath | Then, in USER: |
| 02:11.27 | mheath | UID = "MHEATH", NAME = "MICHAEL HEATH", RANK = "MIDSHIPMAN" |
| 02:11.42 | mheath | Sound good, or does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 02:13.03 | nick125_lappy | and, that sounds good |
| 02:14.36 | mheath | levi_home, goozbach? |
| 02:16.31 | goozbach | you've already heard our opinoins on the matter methinks |
| 02:16.43 | goozbach | at least mine |
| 02:16.57 | goozbach | and looking at the tuturoial, it seems pretty good |
| 02:16.59 | mheath | goozbach: you said to use a relational database. Which I am. |
| 02:17.04 | Sargun | goozbach, hey, whats up? |
| 02:17.29 | mheath | goozbach: This is a quick and dirty task. They really wanted me to just use an excel spreadsheet; I thought I'd make it a bit more elegant. |
| 02:17.53 | mheath | It's for Open Office.Org BASE's forms stuff, which doesn't even really support relational databases very well |
| 02:17.55 | maquis | mheath: what i saw them say was "go figure out how stuff works and make sure you understand that first" |
| 02:18.24 | goozbach | then you can answer your own question |
| 02:18.26 | goozbach | ;) |
| 02:18.40 | mheath | I'm not going to spend ages reading about the philosophy of relational databases to complete a project that would take me 15 seconds if I followed the original project specifications. |
| 02:19.15 | mheath | I'm familiar with the concept of relational databases. |
| 02:19.24 | goozbach | then you might be prematurely optimising |
| 02:19.59 | goozbach | if it's a 15 second project, chances are it doesn't need more than flat text files |
| 02:20.46 | mheath | goozbach: Yes, but the data entry is going to be mainly by a completely computer illiterate person |
| 02:21.04 | mheath | I figured a form created in Open Office.org Base's forms thing will be easier to work with than Excel for this project |
| 02:21.06 | maquis | mheath: in that case, flat text files are probably the simplest option |
| 02:21.22 | mheath | maquis: this is for uniform issue, too. |
| 02:21.26 | mheath | Reports need to be available |
| 02:21.40 | mheath | So you can quickly and easily see, for example, which cadet doesn't have the dress blue uniform already |
| 02:21.43 | maquis | well, then it's probably not a 15-second project |
| 02:22.10 | mheath | maquis: In excel, it would be. You just look at the right column, and theres your info |
| 02:23.06 | Sargun | why don't you use that? |
| 02:23.26 | findlay | yeah |
| 02:23.28 | findlay | use it |
| 02:23.39 | findlay | ~use it |
| 02:23.55 | findlay | so are there any bots in here? |
| 02:24.02 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 02:24.04 | goozbach | ibot: say hi |
| 02:24.06 | ibot | hi |
| 02:24.06 | mheath | I like the idea of a database, because I think I may come back and tie a lot of stuff together |
| 02:24.06 | maquis | yup |
| 02:24.17 | goozbach | brac: say hi |
| 02:24.27 | findlay | (that would be a fun question to ask in a new channel) |
| 02:24.30 | mheath | Now, its a DB for inventory management, but that DB will eventually be used (with a new table) for record keeping in other categories. |
| 02:24.31 | maquis | mheath: in that case, i'd recommend setting it up the Right Way (TM) |
| 02:24.36 | maquis | -introduce yourself |
| 02:24.37 | brac | I'm a v. 0.9.10 rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/rbot/ |
| 02:24.42 | mheath | maquis: Which is what I think I'm doing :) |
| 02:24.48 | mheath | -introduce me |
| 02:24.49 | Tene | Anyone done jabber with per? |
| 02:24.50 | findlay | I bet ChanServ is a bot |
| 02:25.01 | maquis | mheath: ah... |
| 02:25.02 | maquis | ok |
| 02:25.06 | maquis | findlay: nah... |
| 02:25.12 | Tene | erm |
| 02:25.12 | findlay | and maquis |
| 02:25.13 | Tene | perl |
| 02:25.18 | findlay | and Tene |
| 02:25.22 | Tene | yeah |
| 02:25.25 | maquis | findlay: yeah... |
| 02:25.28 | findlay | BTW, I'm a bot too |
| 02:25.37 | mheath | I KNEW it |
| 02:25.40 | maquis | you know... that youtube music video about the bot that keeps the channel clean... yeah... :) |
| 02:25.49 | mheath | I saw the metal under your fake skin when you came to pick up that printer. |
| 02:26.03 | findlay | I'm made of AI written by my ubergenius master |
| 02:26.23 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.33 | maquis | hmmm |
| 02:26.41 | maquis | that would be really funny if you could change other people's nicks |
| 02:26.42 | findlay | and I disseminate his world dominating wisdom |
| 02:27.09 | maquis | it would probably get out of hand quickly |
| 02:27.16 | maquis | but in the mean time, it'd be entertianing |
| 02:28.19 | findlay | that was fun |
| 02:28.37 | findlay | although I was half an hour late to the party |
| 02:28.38 | findlay | ): |
| 02:31.20 | maquis-fiance | ~lart ibot |
| 02:32.02 | maquis-fiance | ~lart brac |
| 02:37.15 | goozbach | fozzmoo wants me to sell my body in order to pay for my hotel room :( |
| 02:37.53 | Sargun | ooo. |
| 02:37.59 | Sargun | Thats going to work well.... |
| 02:38.07 | Sargun | goozbach, weren't you the tech guy for a band? |
| 02:42.51 | elg | superbigfrog_maq: nice. May I recommend bigfrog? It just rolls off the tongue better |
| 02:43.06 | elg | or, if you must keep the maq, how about BigMaq |
| 02:43.07 | levi_home | findlay, I am your father. Join me, and together we can rule the universe as father and son! |
| 02:43.49 | levi_home | mheath: I hope you're looking through that tutorial link. |
| 02:45.08 | levi_home | A lot of people went through a lot of trouble to bring some rigor to the field of databases. It would behoove people interested in creating databases to avail themselves of that work. |
| 02:45.40 | elg | you just said that because you wanted to use the word behoove |
| 02:45.47 | levi_home | And avail. |
| 02:45.58 | elg | oh yeah, that too |
| 02:46.01 | levi_home | But, yeah, mostly behoove. |
| 03:27.50 | mheath | How much would I expect to be charged for the setup and printing via silkscreening of one copy? |
| 03:33.26 | Sargun | how big of a board? |
| 03:33.31 | Sargun | and how many layers? |
| 03:46.51 | Sargun | ~ 23.9*1.8+32 |
| 03:46.52 | ibot | 75.02 |
| 03:47.17 | Sargun | ~23.9*1.8+32 |
| 03:47.18 | ibot | 75.02 |
| 03:51.15 | harleypig | how can I look up help for a message list buffer/window? |
| 03:51.34 | harleypig | :he buffer and :he message doesn't show anything relevant |
| 03:57.36 | mheath | Sargun: what in the world are you talking about? |
| 03:58.02 | Sargun | oh, nevermind |
| 03:58.17 | Sargun | I thought you wanted a multi-layered PCB |
| 03:58.21 | mheath | .... |
| 03:58.30 | mheath | PCB Etching != Silkscreening |
| 03:58.36 | Sargun | yeah |
| 03:58.44 | mheath | Silkscreening is a print-on-fabric technique. |
| 03:59.58 | mheath | Time to go to sleep. |
| 04:06.55 | Sargun | mheath, What was this recruit's rifle number? |
| 04:17.19 | mheath | Sargun: if you're going to speak in the third person, please do it correctly. |
| 04:17.41 | Sargun | on digg? |
| 04:17.45 | Sargun | or here? |
| 04:17.50 | Sargun | err |
| 04:17.58 | Sargun | "What was your rifle number" |
| 04:18.09 | mheath | Why in the world do you care? |
| 04:19.05 | mheath | We're talking about a number etched in a piece of metal down in San Diego. |
| 04:19.06 | mheath | Why do you care? |
| 04:22.10 | maquis | |\/|4C33Z PWNZ UR BASE |
| 04:22.38 | mheath | Maceez? |
| 04:23.11 | maquis | macy's |
| 04:23.22 | maquis | it occcurred to me that htey're pwn-ing all the other department stores |
| 04:23.33 | mheath | bah |
| 04:23.59 | Sargun | How did you like california? |
| 04:24.10 | mheath | ... |
| 04:24.50 | mheath | I never saw California. I saw MCRD. |
| 04:25.02 | Sargun | I assume you flew out on a public airline? |
| 04:25.29 | Sargun | They don't let civilians on the military planes, except in times of emergency, right? |
| 04:25.29 | mheath | Yes. |
| 04:25.35 | mheath | uh. |
| 04:25.51 | mheath | When I was flying down there, I wasn't a civilian. |
| 04:25.58 | mheath | I was a member of the United States Marine Corps |
| 04:26.12 | mheath | but its not economical to charter a flight for 6 people from Salt Lake City to San Diego |
| 04:26.21 | Sargun | Yeah, but they can't put you on a military plane I'm saying |
| 04:26.21 | mheath | So, yes, it was a public flight. |
| 04:26.40 | Sargun | Did you like the airporT? |
| 04:26.52 | mheath | Sargun: your a moron. |
| 04:27.08 | mheath | I saw the airport at around midnight. |
| 04:27.11 | Sargun | I'm trying to make polite conversation |
| 04:27.20 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 04:27.23 | mheath | And when I saw it, it was with constant and intense fear in my stomach |
| 04:27.33 | mheath | Wondering if, when I went around that next corner, I'd get to the USO. |
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| 04:27.39 | Sargun | Even on the way back? |
| 04:27.48 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:27.59 | mheath | On my way back, I was at the airport for only a few minutes before my flight |
| 04:28.03 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 04:28.14 | mheath | And that was going through security. I flew back on September 11th, they had hightened security. |
| 04:28.30 | Sargun | You should have hung out for 2-3 days in LA or SD |
| 04:28.33 | Sargun | (nice colleges) |
| 04:28.45 | mheath | .... |
| 04:29.08 | Sargun | And its nice in general |
| 04:29.09 | mheath | Sargun, I really didn't have any interest in doing anything other than going home and seeing my family. |
| 04:29.26 | Sargun | Hm. |
| 04:29.33 | mheath | And I lived for 3 years in California. |
| 04:29.46 | Sargun | Where in California? |
| 04:29.56 | mheath | Lompoc. |
| 04:31.29 | mheath | Sargun: go join the USMC. Then we'll be able to continue this conversation. |
| 04:31.29 | Sargun | SoCal :-( |
| 04:31.37 | Sargun | Uh, no. |
| 04:31.57 | mheath | Sargun: ok, go be a lazy civilian. Up to you. |
| 04:32.14 | Sargun | Ok. I like being a lazy civilian. |
| 04:32.39 | maquis | what's USO? |
| 04:33.06 | Sargun | US ormy? |
| 04:33.33 | mheath | maquis: United Service Organization or something like that. They have club-like hang out areas for service members at various airports. Thats where you check in at the airport when you arrive down there. |
| 04:34.00 | maquis | ah... why were you having fear in your stomach toward them? |
| 04:34.30 | mheath | maquis: That would be my first contact with Drill Instructors. |
| 04:34.37 | maquis | ah |
| 04:34.39 | maquis | ok |
| 04:34.49 | Sargun | I'd be nervous to when I'm getting a new job. Especially when its becoming a US marine. |
| 04:34.57 | mheath | Where I transition from one of the brave patriots that the Southwest Airlines customers applauded and allowed to disembark first out of respect to Recruit Heath |
| 04:35.03 | mheath | Lowest of the low. Scum of the earth :) |
| 04:35.29 | mheath | Why do people wear camoflauge as a trendy fasion? |
| 04:35.30 | mheath | Bah |
| 04:35.40 | mheath | I was so excited that night "In a few hours, we'll be wearing USMC uniforms!" |
| 04:35.42 | Sargun | I don't know? |
| 04:35.56 | Sargun | I hate fatigues/camoflauge. |
| 04:35.59 | mheath | Now camouflauge drives me insane. Probably because that's all i saw _anyone_ wear, and all I wore myself, for ages. |
| 04:36.16 | mheath | Sargun: why in the world did you bring up fatigues? O.o |
| 04:36.19 | Sargun | ages? |
| 04:36.49 | mheath | Fatigues haven't been used by the us military for decades. Since way, way before you were born. |
| 04:37.00 | mheath | I've never seen any civilian wearing them :P |
| 04:37.27 | mheath | anyway, going to sleep. |
| 04:37.38 | maquis | maybe they were, but a lot of lowly civilians refer to BDUs as fatigues... |
| 04:39.04 | Sargun | BDU |
| 04:39.05 | Sargun | ~BDU |
| 04:40.50 | mheath | Sargun: Battle Dress Uniform. |
| 04:40.57 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:41.08 | mheath | Actually originated as a Navy term. Minor modifications to the dress uniform that made it more practical for combat. |
| 04:41.19 | mheath | Now it's a completely different uniform from the dress uniform. |
| 04:41.21 | mheath | Camoflauge. |
| 04:41.48 | mheath | Sargun: Fatigues are a sold-olive-green uniform worn during during and prior to Vietnam. |
| 04:42.09 | Sargun | green, just green? |
| 04:43.14 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 04:43.21 | Tene | That's what "solid" means in this sense. |
| 04:44.17 | Sargun | yeah... |
| 04:44.27 | Sargun | I learned solid/stripes from pool... |
| 04:44.30 | Sargun | long ago. |
| 04:45.23 | Tene | ... |
| 04:46.23 | Sargun | It was a joke. |
| 04:46.26 | Sargun | Laugh. |
| 04:46.47 | Tene | But it wasn't funny... |
| 04:46.55 | Sargun | still, laugh |
| 04:47.32 | Sargun | <msg mood='emo'>I'm sooo depressed. Nobody makes me feel good</msg> |
| 04:47.57 | Tene | No, I won't laugh. Jerk. |
| 04:48.03 | Tene | Go jump in a lake! |
| 04:49.23 | Sargun | <action target='self' location='arm'>cut</action> |
| 04:53.45 | findlay | maquis: it's the Utah Symphony and Opera |
| 04:54.29 | Tene | So, do I keep trying to hack ettercap rpm to make it build, or do I just install from source? |
| 04:54.49 | Sargun | source install |
| 04:55.19 | findlay | you switch to gentoo and all problems of that sort will evaporate into the sweet air of the happy gentoo universe |
| 04:55.24 | Tene | Anyone... besides Sargun? |
| 04:55.35 | Sargun | findlay, I agree |
| 04:55.39 | findlay | heh |
| 04:55.44 | Sargun | lol, I'm not good enough? |
| 04:56.00 | Tene | Nope. |
| 04:56.30 | findlay | seriously though, gentoo just doesn't have the kinds of problems that binary distros have especially with third party repos |
| 04:57.07 | Tene | I used Gentoo for six months or so. |
| 04:57.09 | findlay | and ebuilds are generally easier to modify and drop into a portage overlay than hacking a spec file |
| 04:57.11 | Tene | I know. |
| 04:58.38 | findlay | I should temper that by saying that I haven't hacked a spec file in years (-: |
| 05:01.13 | Sargun | The megaverse |
| 05:03.05 | findlay | ~megavert Sargun |
| 05:29.37 | findlay | man, I have no restraint |
| 05:29.58 | findlay | I can't even buy a gift CD without buying another for myself (-: |
| 05:30.10 | findlay | because I don't have that recording yet |
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| 05:30.51 | Sargun | Anyone wanna watch the meteor shower? |
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| 13:25.30 | elg | sigh. is it just me or is slashdot getting more and more like a tabloid? |
| 13:25.49 | calvarez | elg, I think it's just you |
| 13:26.01 | calvarez | slashdot can't get more and more like a tabloid |
| 13:26.09 | calvarez | slashdot *IS* a tabloid |
| 13:26.24 | calvarez | I think digg is a lot more interesting |
| 13:26.26 | elg | ok, is it getting more and more like a bad tabloid? |
| 13:26.34 | elg | I don't. digg is worse than /. by a long shot |
| 13:26.42 | calvarez | hehe, slashdot *IS* a bad tabloid |
| 13:26.59 | elg | ok, let's just say it's getting worse then. :) |
| 13:27.05 | calvarez | hehe, ok ;) |
| 13:27.38 | calvarez | I personally don't have a igh opinion of community-driven news sites |
| 13:27.47 | calvarez | I think they are just as biased as professional news |
| 13:27.52 | elg | is there any other kind? |
| 13:28.38 | elg | of course. everyone's biased |
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| 13:29.52 | elg | i want a biased news source. one biased towards technology, thank you. |
| 13:30.20 | elg | s/technology/computer science and OSS/ |
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| 13:32.53 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 13:33.04 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 13:33.19 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg and his stupid popcorn |
| 13:33.26 | redbeard1 | ha ha! |
| 13:39.00 | calvarez | -lart redbeard1 |
| 13:39.14 | calvarez | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 13:41.23 | redbeard1 | http://dirtymicrobe.com/products/no-place-like-home |
| 13:41.57 | elg | is rss from openclue working for everyone? |
| 13:42.12 | graphyx | On of my best friends works in PR and his company just got the account for OSTG. Including slashdot, thinkgeek, etc... |
| 13:42.16 | graphyx | I thought that was amusing. |
| 13:42.30 | graphyx | They gave him one of the Star Wars Light sabers... |
| 13:44.15 | redbeard1 | that would be cool |
| 13:44.45 | graphyx | I aws trying to think of a way to bag some schwag off of him. |
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| 13:53.03 | redbeard1 | lart vontrapp |
| 13:54.45 | redbeard1 | ~lart vontrapp |
| 13:55.10 | graphyx | redbeard1: I was starting to wonder who you expected to lart vontrapp |
| 13:57.32 | redbeard1 | sorry, wasn't paying attention |
| 13:58.05 | graphyx | ;) |
| 13:58.44 | redbeard1 | thanks man |
| 13:58.55 | graphyx | Not a problem. |
| 13:58.59 | graphyx | ~botsnack me |
| 13:58.59 | ibot | graphyx: aw, gee |
| 14:00.31 | redbeard1 | ~lart firefox crashes |
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| 14:04.38 | graphyx | redbeard1: Get ff 2.0 |
| 14:04.39 | graphyx | It's out. |
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| 14:09.06 | redbeard1 | awesome |
| 14:09.44 | graphyx | http://mozilla.isc.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/win32/en-US/ |
| 14:13.03 | graphyx | That's a high bandwidth mirror there. |
| 14:13.07 | graphyx | I got 2MB/s from it. |
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| 14:16.13 | graphyx | ~onjoin harleypig |
| 14:16.13 | ibot | onjoin for harleypig set by harleypig on Tue May 23 10:16:58 2006: OINK! |
| 14:16.43 | graphyx | ~onjoin harleypig OINK!!!!!!11111eleventeen |
| 14:16.44 | ibot | graphyx: ok |
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| 14:47.04 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:47.42 | redbeard1 | good morning |
| 14:48.43 | levi | How's it going? |
| 14:49.02 | redbeard1 | awesome |
| 14:49.15 | redbeard1 | i made the best ice cream this weekend |
| 14:51.43 | levi | Mmmmmm. |
| 14:51.49 | emcnabb | redbeard1: and you didn't give me any? |
| 14:51.53 | emcnabb | some friend |
| 14:52.15 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: if you'd like to come over tonight, i still have about a quart left |
| 14:52.47 | redbeard1 | pumpkin ice cream with gingerbread snaps and nutella swirls. so tasty! |
| 14:53.53 | levi | Oooh. |
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| 15:00.52 | graphyx | redbeard1: That sounds awesome... |
| 15:01.40 | redbeard1 | graphyx: it is awesome. |
| 15:01.42 | emcnabb | yummy |
| 15:06.26 | redbeard1 | so, since i've gotten you all on the subject of ice cream now, i'm looking for ideas to make another flavor work |
| 15:07.04 | redbeard1 | apple crisp ice cream |
| 15:07.30 | levi | Yum! |
| 15:07.42 | redbeard1 | it would of cource have apples cooked in cinnamon, plus caramel swirls... but i can't think of what to use for the crisp part |
| 15:07.43 | levi | Keeping anything 'crisp' inside ice cream might be a bit of a challenge. |
| 15:08.25 | redbeard1 | the gingersnaps i used for the pumpkin ice cream were perfect... but i think that's largely because they were like little round pieces of slate before i put them in there |
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| 15:18.13 | harleypig | OI! |
| 15:18.26 | graphyx | redbeard1: What about something along the lines of pie crust? |
| 15:18.36 | harleypig | So. I took my oldest to Spanish Forks Spook Alley Saturday night. |
| 15:18.44 | redbeard1 | graphyx: what kind of pie crust? |
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| 15:18.51 | redbeard1 | harleypig: how was it? |
| 15:19.05 | graphyx | redbeard1: I had an image in my head but I can't recall what it was. |
| 15:19.14 | graphyx | some type of crumb pie crust. |
| 15:19.20 | harleypig | We're going through the twists and turns and I'm not too impressed. The Jeffery Dahmer exhibit was pretty well done, but I'm sick like that. |
| 15:19.44 | harleypig | Anyway, we're going through the twists and turns and people are jumping out going YAAAH! |
| 15:20.32 | graphyx | end of story? |
| 15:20.46 | harleypig | Like I said, I wasn't too impressed. We turn the corner and this kid jumps out and ends about 3 inches from me. He starts his scream and this is what it sounded like: "YAAA--HOLY CRAP" and he jumped back. |
| 15:21.00 | redbeard1 | ha ha! that's awesome! |
| 15:21.01 | harleypig | I scared the poor kid. |
| 15:21.09 | graphyx | heh... |
| 15:21.18 | graphyx | Did you ask the owner for your paycheck? |
| 15:21.41 | harleypig | heh |
| 15:22.02 | graphyx | or at least your money back? But who spooks the spookers? |
| 15:22.19 | redbeard1 | who watches the watchers? who spooks the spookers? |
| 15:22.34 | harleypig | Nah. It was a bunch of high school and junior high kids raising money for the senior center. |
| 15:22.34 | graphyx | Were you only wearing that one bikini brief swimsuit? |
| 15:22.39 | graphyx | oh.. |
| 15:22.41 | graphyx | ok then. |
| 15:22.48 | harleypig | now there's a horror exhibit |
| 15:22.54 | graphyx | redbeard1: Glad someone picked up on my poorly phrased obscure twist. |
| 15:22.57 | harleypig | speaking of which: horrorfestonline.com |
| 15:23.00 | harleypig | I wanna go. |
| 15:23.08 | redbeard1 | graphyx: you're welcome |
| 15:27.26 | spr | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 15:27.48 | redbeard1 | mmm, herring |
| 15:30.23 | harleypig | was that herring red? |
| 15:31.19 | harleypig | http://dirtymicrobe.com/products/hard-to-want |
| 15:31.21 | harleypig | Thanks redbeard1 |
| 15:31.30 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you're welcome |
| 15:33.07 | harleypig | oooo ... luminous mushrooms http://dirtymicrobe.com/products/luminous-mushroom/0/89 |
| 15:34.51 | Jayce^ | http://dirtymicrobe.com/products/violence <-- that one is for me |
| 15:54.23 | maquis | ~curse eclipse |
| 15:54.25 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, eclipse ! |
| 15:56.51 | mheath | ~praise eclipse |
| 15:56.52 | ibot | All hail eclipse! |
| 15:57.01 | maquis | erm... no |
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| 16:00.24 | harleypig | ~praise VIm |
| 16:00.25 | ibot | All hail VIm! |
| 16:00.50 | synic | horray for vim! |
| 16:01.08 | graphyx | horray??? |
| 16:01.12 | graphyx | what language is that? |
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| 16:01.32 | levi | vimmers interested in learning Scheme might be interested in this: http://www.cs.brown.edu/research/plt/software/divascheme/doc.txt |
| 16:01.42 | mrpull | anybody know anything about bungeelabs in orem? |
| 16:01.53 | levi | (It's not vim, but implements a modal editor optimized for scheme programming) |
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| 16:11.53 | findlay | Keighvin: thanks to you I'll never buy from overstock.com again |
| 16:13.59 | mheath | Hijjj |
| 16:14.09 | mheath | 0.. |
| 16:14.23 | mheath | sorry, newphews on my lap |
| 16:14.31 | mheath | I thintk thats the first thing he's ever typed into a computer, though :) |
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| 16:15.21 | scholar | hullo |
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| 16:16.20 | calvarez | hey, levi |
| 16:16.22 | Keighvin | findlay: Sorry 'bout that. |
| 16:16.26 | calvarez | did your friend try the places I mentioned? |
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| 16:16.41 | levi | calvarez: Not sure, I haven't heard back from him. |
| 16:16.41 | Keighvin | Although, they sometimes use media as loss-leaders just so they can gateway their customers. |
| 16:16.55 | Keighvin | So if you can beat Amazon prices for media at OSTK, you're stickin' |
| 16:17.03 | Keighvin | ...stickin' it to the man. |
| 16:17.32 | levi | scholar sure didn't stick around for long. |
| 16:19.38 | calvarez | heh, I was scholar |
| 16:19.46 | calvarez | just another nick for another network |
| 16:19.47 | levi | Ahh, heh. |
| 16:20.06 | levi | Clearly so, now that I actually look at the join/part messages. |
| 16:20.24 | calvarez | ~calvarez |
| 16:20.45 | ibot | you are, like, sucky at quoting |
| 16:20.45 | calvarez | ~gatech |
| 16:20.47 | ibot | rumour has it, gatech is where calvarez is? |
| 16:20.47 | calvarez | heh |
| 16:20.47 | calvarez | s/inot/ibot/ |
| 16:20.51 | calvarez | lol |
| 16:20.59 | calvarez | ibot, you suck |
| 16:21.00 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 16:21.26 | calvarez | inot is a n00b |
| 16:21.31 | calvarez | ibot is a n00b |
| 16:25.26 | xbmodder | What does wrine mean? |
| 16:28.51 | xbmodder | ... |
| 16:30.19 | xbmodder | WRINE!! |
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| 16:36.14 | Keighvin | WHEN REALITY IS NOT ENOUGH |
| 16:36.38 | Keighvin | According to wrine.com, anyway. |
| 16:37.04 | Keighvin | Or rather, the google cache thereof (since it's home page is producing a 404) |
| 16:38.03 | xbmodder | lol |
| 16:40.16 | xbmodder | How do I make an mDNS blackhole? |
| 16:40.18 | xbmodder | err |
| 16:40.38 | xbmodder | something that will suck in all the multicast traffic in my network (I'm trying to filter this network) |
| 16:40.47 | xbmodder | It can let it live, but I need to log it |
| 16:40.53 | xbmodder | so I can yell at the people |
| 16:41.30 | Keighvin | If you're just looking to spy, won't tcpdump do that? |
| 16:42.09 | xbmodder | No, multicast isn't meant to do that. |
| 16:43.09 | Keighvin | Bummer. |
| 16:43.55 | xbmodder | I guesS? |
| 16:44.19 | Keighvin | http://www.tcpdump.org/lists/workers/2003/03/msg00254.html |
| 16:44.28 | Keighvin | Apparently tcpdump does have multicast. |
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| 16:49.32 | xbmodder | its err |
| 16:51.39 | bonez41 | printer sharing? anyone? I have a laserjet iii at home.. attached my linux box...I had it set up so that my wife's laptop, running xp pro...could see the shared laser printer and print to it.....the laser jet needs some repair..so I switched in an unused deskjet printer....but i can't get it to show up as a shared device..... |
| 16:53.50 | Keighvin | cups |
| 16:54.23 | Keighvin | Was the old one for-certain being shared through the linux box, or was it independently available on the network through its own connection? |
| 16:57.11 | bonez41 | Keighvin, yeah, the old one, the laserjet iii...was shared..I open xp and I click add printers..and the print share from my linux box here, still shows up....... but nothing for the newly installed deskjet.....i know at some point, I had modified some file, adding in a "netbui' parameter....somewhere...to allow windows to see it |
| 16:57.41 | bonez41 | no, this printer..nieither printer has a jetdirect attachment..they are made available only through the machines to which they are connected... |
| 16:59.57 | macnewbold | it's probably samba that is sharing them? If so you'd have to edit the config |
| 17:00.23 | macnewbold | and yes, netbui would be required I think |
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| 17:01.49 | findlay | Keighvin: I usually get CDs/DVDs from places like moviemars (ugly website, pretty good prices) and books from one of the website networks of small booksellers like abebooks |
| 17:03.28 | bonez41 | macnewbold, any idea where one sets up netbui? in which config file? |
| 17:03.56 | macnewbold | not at the moment - probably in samba, or whatever else speaks the windows protocols |
| 17:04.05 | macnewbold | cups might be involved if you're using that |
| 17:05.50 | Keighvin | bonez41: /etc/samba/smb.conf # [printers] |
| 17:06.19 | Keighvin | and/or [print$] (which is the hidden Windows share used for these kinds of things) |
| 17:08.14 | Keighvin | findlay: That works. Personally, I'm gratified that the market at least has some saavy: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=OSTK&t=2y |
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| 17:10.42 | bonez41 | Keighvin, I think I found it.... |
| 17:10.42 | levi | Uh oh. |
| 17:10.56 | bonez41 | it's in /etc/samba/smb.conf where I need to make the changes |
| 17:11.08 | findlay | traditional market theory is that the market as a whole has all the knowledge of a company and the worth of that company's stock is a function of that knowledge, sort of like collective intelligence |
| 17:13.09 | levi | Mmm, collective intelligence. |
| 17:13.25 | findlay | ~collectivate levi |
| 17:14.57 | graphyx | Resistance is futile. |
| 17:15.46 | Keighvin | bonez41: Um... That's what I said. :) |
| 17:16.16 | Keighvin | ~catalyze levi |
| 17:16.19 | ibot | ACTION adjusts levi's chemistry to react more efficiently without altering the external compound. |
| 17:18.06 | findlay | well, society in any form is the opposite of anarchy |
| 17:18.28 | findlay | personally I'm with John Locke, since he was so pursuasive (: |
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| 17:28.36 | Rafe | hello im from mexico |
| 17:28.53 | Rafe | i have 2 sud friends here |
| 17:29.00 | Rafe | theay are elders |
| 17:29.29 | graphyx | What's a sud friend? |
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| 17:30.32 | elg | -lart beandog for not being here |
| 17:30.51 | graphyx | ~invoke beandog |
| 17:32.33 | findlay | ~welcome Rafe |
| 17:32.35 | ibot | [all in unison] Hi, Rafe! |
| 17:33.22 | Rafe | sud = lds |
| 17:36.03 | levi | They are currently missionaries, or they were missionaries? |
| 17:37.47 | macnewbold | Rafe: tell them we said hola |
| 17:39.30 | Rafe | THEY ARE CURRENTLY MISSIONARIES |
| 17:39.33 | Rafe | =) |
| 17:39.38 | Rafe | thay say hola |
| 17:41.36 | elg | sud? |
| 17:41.58 | Keighvin | ~lart me |
| 17:42.35 | Jayce^ | elg, "Santos dos Ultimos-dias" (or de los or whatever spanish folks do)... Latter-day Saints |
| 17:43.05 | elg | oh right |
| 17:43.27 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 17:47.20 | levi | Rafe: Oh, they are /there/, not here in #utah. That makes more sense. |
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| 17:55.02 | graphyx | Jayce^: It makes me laugh to think Santos dellos Ultimas-Dias. The ultimate days!!! rock on.. |
| 18:01.21 | xbmodder | hiya |
| 18:01.34 | xbmodder | macnewbold: hey |
| 18:01.41 | macnewbold | howdy |
| 18:01.42 | xbmodder | Anyone here write cPython libraries? |
| 18:02.12 | xbmodder | macnewbold: I am trying to write a pyton API to my payment processor |
| 18:02.23 | macnewbold | cool |
| 18:02.26 | macnewbold | what payment processor? |
| 18:02.36 | elg | does it process payments? |
| 18:02.38 | xbmodder | macnewbold: cybersource (a.k.a. propeitary HELL) |
| 18:02.42 | xbmodder | elg: sometimes. |
| 18:02.43 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:02.56 | macnewbold | I like authorize.net - haven't tried cybersource |
| 18:03.02 | xbmodder | The have a closed source API |
| 18:03.08 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 18:03.15 | macnewbold | so how do you talk to it? |
| 18:03.25 | xbmodder | write a wrapper |
| 18:03.44 | xbmodder | or read their older docs, and figure it out that way |
| 18:03.52 | macnewbold | what API do you write the wrapper to, if it is closed? |
| 18:03.56 | macnewbold | do they publish the API? |
| 18:04.06 | xbmodder | ya |
| 18:04.16 | Keighvin | xbmodder: I've only ever used it directly from C. |
| 18:04.32 | Keighvin | (OSTK relies heavily on Cybersource libraries) |
| 18:04.42 | elg | so in short it sounds like he wants to write a python interface to the library |
| 18:04.46 | xbmodder | OSTK? |
| 18:04.51 | elg | ~ostk |
| 18:05.00 | elg | ~evil |
| 18:05.06 | ibot | methinks evil is something Microsoft bought from Satan, according to http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html |
| 18:06.40 | xbmodder | you work for overstock? |
| 18:07.28 | xbmodder | mhmm |
| 18:09.24 | xbmodder | Keighvin: are they decent? |
| 18:11.21 | xbmodder | (the libs)? |
| 18:11.22 | xbmodder | ~ping |
| 18:11.24 | ibot | pong |
| 18:13.09 | Keighvin | ~evil company |
| 18:13.11 | ibot | i guess evil company is Overstock.com, or sco. Microsoft |
| 18:13.19 | Keighvin | OSTK = Overstock. |
| 18:13.29 | xbmodder | lol |
| 18:13.33 | xbmodder | Fun |
| 18:13.38 | Keighvin | The C libs were the ones for the outdated API provided directly from Cybersource. |
| 18:13.52 | Keighvin | But they were also used within a C application - no external interfaces thereto. |
| 18:14.05 | Keighvin | So whereas there was a wrapper, it was a simple one-step abstraction. |
| 18:16.21 | Keighvin | xbmodder: sorry, I didn't answer your earlier question. I *used* to work there. |
| 18:17.09 | xbmodder | Ah. |
| 18:17.35 | xbmodder | I wish I could use python's SOAP libraries and do async requests. |
| 18:17.58 | Keighvin | And that, you can. |
| 18:18.12 | Keighvin | Cybersource has a SOAP friendly API now. |
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| 18:22.17 | xbmodder | Hmm, can you show me how later today? |
| 18:22.26 | Keighvin | Won't have time, unfortunately. |
| 18:22.45 | xbmodder | According to their developer support I can't use a non-cybersource written API |
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| 18:24.13 | findlay | xbmodder: I've done interfaces to a few payment gateways in perl |
| 18:24.17 | xbmodder | Hmm. |
| 18:24.24 | findlay | why don't you shop around for a decent one? |
| 18:24.27 | findlay | there's plenty |
| 18:24.39 | xbmodder | findlay: because my bank locks me in, and I get a nice deal. |
| 18:24.39 | findlay | plenty to choose from |
| 18:24.44 | findlay | heh |
| 18:24.45 | macnewbold | xbmodder: Keighvin said they have a SOAP friendly API - that sounds like it is not non-cybersource |
| 18:25.00 | macnewbold | xbmodder: what bank? what deal? |
| 18:25.04 | xbmodder | Hm, I'll see you at lunch |
| 18:25.09 | xbmodder | you guys |
| 18:25.12 | xbmodder | 12:30-ish |
| 18:25.13 | elg | you will? |
| 18:25.19 | elg | you get around |
| 18:25.25 | findlay | xbmodder: get a new bank |
| 18:25.59 | findlay | stick it to them that you don't stand for crap like that |
| 18:27.25 | Keighvin | macnewbold & xbmodder: I may be incorrect. |
| 18:27.41 | Keighvin | Their JAVA libs use SOAP behind the scenes, but through their encryption format. |
| 18:27.47 | Keighvin | Same with C# |
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| 19:14.28 | ^Migs^ | how do you see which version you're running from command line? |
| 19:14.59 | Keighvin | Version of what? |
| 19:15.09 | ^Migs^ | sorry. The OS. |
| 19:15.23 | findlay | cat /etc/*release* |
| 19:15.30 | findlay | cat /proc/version |
| 19:15.46 | findlay | uname -r |
| 19:16.00 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 19:16.17 | Keighvin | /etc/issue.net |
| 19:16.21 | findlay | did you ever doubt that I knew everything? |
| 19:16.25 | Keighvin | (if your'e Fedora) |
| 19:16.27 | findlay | what's that one |
| 19:16.31 | ^Migs^ | you're amazing |
| 19:16.40 | Keighvin | s/your'e/you're/ |
| 19:16.51 | findlay | hm |
| 19:30.14 | redbeard1 | ~lart state safety inspection |
| 19:30.20 | redbeard1 | yeah! |
| 19:32.54 | findlay | ~pd; |
| 19:32.56 | findlay | ~pdl |
| 19:33.07 | ibot | methinks pdl is /pid'l/ or /puhd'l/ [acronym for `Push Down List'] 1. In ITS days, the preferred MITism for stack. 2. Dave Lebling, one of the co-authors of Zork; (his {network address} on the ITS machines was at one time pdl@dms). 3. `Program Design Language'. Any of a large class of formal and profoundly useless pseudo-languages in which management forces one to ... |
| 19:33.07 | levi | Crap, that reminds me, I need to go through that again. |
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| 19:37.42 | spr | ~seen amcnabb |
| 19:37.59 | ibot | amcnabb <n=amcnabb@c-24-10-162-63.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 22h 38m 46s ago, saying: 'Oh, well. I guess if you're rambling about stuff you don't know anything about, you don't really want to get corrected anyway.'. |
| 19:40.14 | graphyx | ~seen brac |
| 19:40.22 | ibot | brac is currently on #utah (5d 18h 26m 24s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 17h 15m 45s, last said: 'I'm a v. 0.9.10 rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/rbot/'. |
| 19:40.39 | graphyx | -lart ibot |
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| 19:49.10 | findlay | I'm having trouble providing input for a program. I'm doing `cat input | program` where 'input' contains the input with one input per line, but it doesn't work |
| 19:49.30 | findlay | am I doing it wrong? |
| 19:49.36 | Tene | what happens instead? |
| 19:49.54 | Tene | also, you can just `program < input`, btw |
| 19:51.21 | findlay | the program fails |
| 19:51.53 | Tene | You're still not saying anything meaningful. |
| 19:52.16 | findlay | it's python and it gives the infamous stack trace which doesn't mean anything to me |
| 19:52.28 | findlay | doesn't say why it failed |
| 19:52.40 | Tene | So the program crashes. That's meaningful. |
| 19:53.08 | Tene | put it on pastebin.ca |
| 19:53.38 | findlay | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mRGuLL28.html |
| 19:54.07 | findlay | eof when reading a line? |
| 19:54.25 | Tene | That sounds like the important issue. |
| 19:54.58 | findlay | but what does it mean? |
| 19:55.05 | Tene | EOF == End Of File |
| 19:55.56 | findlay | k |
| 19:56.00 | findlay | now I get: termios.error: (25, 'Inappropriate ioctl for device') |
| 19:56.19 | findlay | I'm guessing that error string doesn't have anything to do with the error |
| 19:56.21 | graphyx | ioctl = Input Outout Control. |
| 19:56.46 | findlay | or python doesn't like reading input from STDIN |
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| 19:57.50 | findlay | heh, try to google for that one |
| 19:58.02 | redbeard1 | ~lart firefox2 |
| 19:58.56 | redbeard1 | the one plug-in... the ONE plug-in that i actually use isn't supported |
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| 20:00.56 | graphyx | redbeard1: Use the nightly tester tool. |
| 20:01.04 | graphyx | IT will auto convert for compatibility for any plugin. |
| 20:01.09 | graphyx | unless that is the one plug in that does'nt wor.. |
| 20:01.21 | graphyx | s/does'nt wor/doesn't work/ |
| 20:01.36 | graphyx | redbeard1: Which plugin? |
| 20:01.44 | redbeard1 | graphyx: session manager |
| 20:01.51 | graphyx | what does that one do? |
| 20:02.22 | synic | redbeard1: session manager is built into ff2 |
| 20:02.29 | redbeard1 | where? |
| 20:02.39 | harleypig | wheeee |
| 20:02.52 | Tene | anyone here have an IRC client that doesn't handle utf-8 properly? |
| 20:03.14 | synic | redbeard1: do you just want all your tabs to save if it crashes or something? |
| 20:03.27 | findlay | harleypig: put your hands in the air! |
| 20:03.44 | redbeard1 | synic: i also want to save all my tabs if i just close it |
| 20:03.52 | synic | redbeard1: yeah, it does that automatically |
| 20:04.38 | redbeard1 | synic: yeah, mine doesn't. |
| 20:04.43 | graphyx | synic: Is there an option you have to set to enable tha behavoir? |
| 20:05.13 | redbeard1 | graphyx: yeah, looks like there is. i just found it. |
| 20:05.56 | redbeard1 | the homepage option (when firefox starts, show...) |
| 20:08.10 | redbeard1 | well, i already don't like FF2, but i'm a little biased atm |
| 20:08.25 | redbeard1 | (read: unhappy at losing my previous session) |
| 20:09.42 | redbeard1 | it would also be nice (tho not strictly necessary) to make the tabs look like the 1.5 tabs again. |
| 20:09.46 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, just admit it, you were actually installing IE7 |
| 20:09.53 | redbeard1 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:14.37 | ^Migs^ | I'm already excited for IE8 |
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| 20:27.52 | emcnabb | ~lart spr |
| 20:28.12 | emcnabb | hold on... spr already has a PocketPC PDA! |
| 20:30.47 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 20:31.08 | elg | anyone know how to build your own simple USB HID joystick? |
| 20:32.06 | elg | the usb part |
| 20:32.09 | elg | not the physical part |
| 20:33.34 | Newsome | you mean the kernel side? |
| 20:35.12 | mrpull | heh... harleypig (or his twin brother) is on the cover of October's redmond Magazine |
| 20:35.26 | harleypig | uhhh ... got a scan? |
| 20:35.33 | mrpull | http://redmondmag.com/ |
| 20:36.27 | elg | I want to basically make a one-axis joystick. |
| 20:36.37 | elg | and I don't think I need to do anything kernel-side |
| 20:36.43 | harleypig | meh ... his beards whiter than mine. |
| 20:36.49 | elg | I just need to figure out the electronics |
| 20:37.22 | mrpull | white is tough |
| 20:38.10 | elg | maybe it's from the future |
| 20:38.14 | Newsome | elg: there are several usb microcontrollers, if you want to go that route |
| 20:38.33 | elg | that depends on what "that route" entails |
| 20:39.08 | elg | what I don't want is to have to get some fancy (expensive) thing to plug my chip into and program it from windows in assembly code |
| 20:39.11 | mrpull | happ controls probably has what you need to homebrew your joystick |
| 20:39.11 | Newsome | elg: or you could use a USB-serial converter |
| 20:39.26 | elg | Newsome: http://todbot.com/blog/2006/06/26/sketching-in-hardware-usb-on-rails/ |
| 20:39.36 | elg | that's a cool bunch of slides, and they almost make sense |
| 20:39.47 | elg | to a ignoramus like me. :) |
| 20:40.22 | Tene | what are you wanting to do anyway, btw? |
| 20:40.27 | elg | rudder bar |
| 20:40.52 | Newsome | I'll have to check it out when I get home...gotta go, and no internet access on the train |
| 20:41.13 | elg | it's a pdf, you could d/l it. thanks, have fun on the train |
| 20:42.13 | elg | Tene: think of a broomstick that you push with your feet. push the left foot and get left rudder, push right and get right rudder |
| 20:42.33 | Newsome | I'll read it and be back on later...this is along the lines of what I did for my thesis, so it shouldn't be too difficult. |
| 20:42.42 | elg | you need a potentiometer, some plywood, a 2x4 |
| 20:42.51 | elg | a broomstick, some nuts and bolts |
| 20:43.06 | elg | and some way to talk to the computer. I'm hoping to avoid the old joystick interface and go usb |
| 20:43.55 | levi | Looks like an AVR-USB is the way to go. |
| 20:44.10 | elg | that's what I'm thinking. I'm just trying to wade through all the jargon |
| 20:45.04 | mrpull | elg: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/09/homemade_full_size_flight_simu.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 20:45.20 | mrpull | for some inspiration for your rudder control |
| 20:45.31 | elg | lol. that's a little too overboard for me |
| 20:45.34 | elg | and my wife would kill me |
| 20:46.54 | elg | there's lots of sites about rudder pedals, but they're too complicated (woodworking wise) |
| 20:47.04 | elg | but the rudder bar idea is so simple it's stupid not to do it |
| 20:48.24 | mrpull | elg: why not just buy some pedals? building from scratch seems like a waste of time :) |
| 20:48.37 | elg | $150 |
| 20:49.05 | elg | vs cheap parts and the chance to whip out my soldering iron again |
| 20:49.24 | levi | mrpull: He's a grad student. Time is cheaper than money. ;) |
| 20:49.49 | mrpull | ahh... my money is cheaper than my time |
| 20:49.57 | levi | elg: Did you find the datasheet for the Atmel part? |
| 20:50.08 | levi | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc2543.pdf |
| 20:50.26 | mrpull | what about ebay pedals? gotta be some for < 50 bucks there. |
| 20:52.03 | elg | mrpull: you're not a poor student. :) |
| 20:52.42 | mrpull | http://cgi.ebay.com/Logitech-USB-NASCAR-Racing-Wheel-and-Pedals_W0QQitemZ260042261811QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 20:52.46 | mrpull | i'm "time poor" |
| 20:53.03 | levi | elg: I don't see anything about USB in the data sheet. |
| 20:53.20 | levi | I guess it's doing all of it in software. |
| 20:53.38 | elg | levi: yeah, I think that's what it is |
| 20:54.00 | levi | http://www.obdev.at/products/avrusb/index.html |
| 20:58.47 | levi | You may still have to get some sort of a programmer device. |
| 20:58.53 | elg | so the real question is how do you get the avr-usb firmware onto the IC? |
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| 21:00.15 | levi | Looks like Sparkfun sells programmer cables for $12 |
| 21:01.19 | levi | And there's a program called 'PonyProg' that works on Windows and Linux. |
| 21:03.19 | levi | Looks like Sparkfun has got everything you need. :) |
| 21:04.57 | levi | Though, by the time you assemble all the components you need, you could easily be > $50. Unless you can get samples for most of the parts. |
| 21:07.48 | elg | yeah, might be |
| 21:08.14 | elg | maybe newsome will have some insight. actually the break-even point is even smaller - I could pick up a USB joystick and cannibalize it for ~$20 |
| 21:08.47 | elg | or even just fasten it to the plywood and have the rudder bar move it directly ;) |
| 21:09.29 | findlay | elg: organ pedals? |
| 21:09.37 | elg | rudder bar |
| 21:09.46 | findlay | oh, heh |
| 21:09.52 | findlay | they could double as swell box pedals |
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| 21:18.51 | ^Migs^ | the custodian just came around gathering trash. He saw a FedEx box in my garbage and he got excited for some reason and said "OOOO!! FED EX!!!!" |
| 21:19.17 | ^Migs^ | I, of course, ignored him |
| 21:23.35 | tensai | mrpull: "time poor" from a guy chatting on irc? :P |
| 21:26.01 | elg | ^Migs^: how uncreative |
| 21:26.12 | findlay | wow, I just spent $11 for the tire store to move a rim weight 3" |
| 21:32.30 | ^Migs^ | maybe I should fed ex the poor guy something, it might cheer him up. He probably thought the box was for him |
| 21:32.38 | ^Migs^ | why do I instantly assume that all custodians have miserable, pathetic lives? |
| 21:32.53 | Keighvin | Pressing one button............. $ 1.00 |
| 21:32.54 | Keighvin | Knowing which button to press... $499.00 |
| 21:33.10 | Keighvin | (for findlay) |
| 21:33.26 | ^Migs^ | I agree with Keighvin |
| 21:33.38 | ^Migs^ | If you knew how to move it, you wouldn't have paid $11 for it |
| 21:33.49 | ^Migs^ | thus, it was worth it for you |
| 21:36.09 | findlay | I know, but the DIY guy within revolts at the thought |
| 21:36.35 | findlay | I could build my own wheel balancing machine (for a lot of money) and DIY for free |
| 21:36.51 | findlay | (-: |
| 21:38.59 | Keighvin | tensai: I've done battle with a number of those things, maybe I can help. |
| 21:39.19 | findlay | tensai: try the first 1024 digits of pi |
| 21:39.49 | findlay | then your door will spit out it's ROM via morse code by moving the door up and down |
| 21:40.05 | tensai | Keighvin: one of the mounting brackets has split the wood it was previously secured to |
| 21:40.29 | tensai | Keighvin: it's the one that holds the spring in place and it has a big warning that says "don't touch! this will kill you!" |
| 21:42.15 | findlay | so you need to unturn the spring? |
| 21:45.40 | Keighvin | tensai: That's not exactly a button then... |
| 21:45.51 | Keighvin | The spring is largely ballast - it creates tension only when the door is down. |
| 21:46.07 | Keighvin | Have the door raise (manually and gently if you need to) and then you can disengage it. |
| 21:46.30 | Keighvin | It does take some muscling, and I'd recommend wearing thick leather gloves because the edges on many of the components were not machined to be human-friendly. |
| 21:46.43 | tensai | it's a figurative button then |
| 21:46.57 | tensai | I can't really get to the bracket when the door is up |
| 21:47.16 | tensai | and frankly I'd rather pay somebody to do it |
| 21:47.22 | Keighvin | No, but you can disengage the spring and then release the door. |
| 21:47.44 | Keighvin | Worst I even had was a car with a car-top carrier trying to make it in when the door wasn't all the way up. |
| 21:48.06 | Keighvin | Knocked the whole thing off the rails, released the spring on one side, and bent the door. |
| 21:48.15 | Keighvin | Took about 2 hours to get it all back into shape. |
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| 22:07.04 | findlay | yeah, that felt good |
| 22:07.58 | findlay | http://lists.ldsoss.org/pipermail/ldsoss/2006-October/002877.html |
| 22:08.06 | Newsome | ~seen elg |
| 22:08.30 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@dhcp08.cs.nmsu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 42m 29s ago, saying: '^Migs^: how uncreative'. |
| 22:12.52 | findlay | gah, she said she'd call me back before I could say anything |
| 22:18.46 | findlay | ~date |
| 22:18.53 | ibot | It is now 2006.10.23 22:18:53 GMT |
| 22:19.05 | findlay | hearing tomorrow |
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| 22:37.10 | Sargun | hey all |
| 22:37.28 | findlay | hi |
| 22:41.34 | Sargun | ~IBM |
| 22:41.41 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ibm is International Business Machines - a very spiffy company - who happens to make AIX, OS/400, OS/2, and other cool operating systems, not to mention some of the most superior hardware on the market.. I Blame Microsoft. I Buy Macintosh |
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| 22:45.11 | tensai | findlay: your ears only work on Tuesdays? |
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| 23:13.52 | rsimpkins | I am trying to remember the url to a site that tracks the level of spam from hosts. |
| 23:14.04 | rsimpkins | It has been so long since I have been there, I forgot what it was called. |
| 23:22.21 | Sargun | ? |
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| 23:42.46 | Keighvin | ~stab brac |
| 23:42.55 | ibot | ACTION runs at brac with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 23:57.31 | findlay | yeah |