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02:05.21levi_homeGood evening.
02:49.51emcnabblevi_home: good evening
02:59.55levi_homeI have an old folk song redone by the Wiggles stuck in my head.
03:02.43emcnabbI'm sorry :-)
03:02.57emcnabbhow old is your daughter now?
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03:48.03maquisemcnabb: watch out...  you'll get that in not too long
03:59.33tensaiif it's not wiggles it'll be something else
04:00.43tensaithat's why you gotta get 'em hooked on anime early
04:01.14maquislol
04:25.57levi_homeemcnabb: She's 6 months.
04:26.07levi_homeThe Wiggles are actually pretty good.
04:26.35levi_homeI think it was the All Music Guide that calls them the Beatles for the pre-school set. :)
04:26.51levi_hometensai: Are you kidding?  Kiddie anime is totally insipid.
04:27.04maquislevi_home: you should get her into TMBG music :P
04:27.11levi_homemaquis: Working on that. :)
04:27.16tensainot kiddie anime. good anime
04:27.30levi_hometensai: She's not quite old enough for that.
04:28.55mrpull-vlevi_home:  Baby Einstein (sp?) is not too evil as far as kid stuff goes
04:31.44levi_homeI haven't seen any, but my wife said that it didn't really hold our daughter's attention.
04:31.58Sargunhey
04:32.33levi_homeShe loves the Wiggles, though.  And their music is actually pretty good, so we checked out a bunch of CDs and tapes from the library.
04:32.46mrpull-vmy twins liked the wiggles
04:33.04maquisi watched the wiggles with my cousins' kids, and they seemed to do a pretty good job of not annoying the adults to death
04:33.17mrpull-vi'd like to punch dorothy
04:33.34mrpull-vthe earlier wiggles are better than the more recent
04:33.35levi_homeDorothy and Captain Feathersword are kind of annoying.
04:33.39maquisi have to say, ,i did enjoy watching a care bears movie with some girls i babysat, though... and i do like disney animated movies
04:33.44maquisso, i might be a bad judge
04:34.04levi_homeI, um, used to watch care bears when I was a kid.
04:34.12levi_homeThough not regularly.
04:34.30levi_homeAnd I much preferred stuff like the Thundercats and Wheeled Warriors and stuff!
04:34.53mrpull-vi was a freak.  i liked The Price Is Right.
04:34.55Sargundoes anyone here do sound systems, or know someone who does sound systems in the bay area?
04:34.58Sargun(There is money available)
04:34.59mrpull-vI still like game shows.
04:35.23Sargunthey need a sound system for a conference, their other bid is about 12k, no equipment needed, just a licensed tech
04:35.40levi_homemaquis: Care Bears, stare!!
04:35.53maquisSargun: i think dilvie might have some ideas... he does stuff with concerts
04:36.02maquislevi_home: yup
04:36.10levi_homeSargun: I'm afraid #utah is probably not the best place to ask for audio engineers in the bay area.
04:36.32Sargunlol
04:36.32Sargunmaquis, thats who I had in mind
04:36.42maquisSargun: he might know somebody in california, because i think SoN has probably toured down there at some point
04:37.03levi_homeSargun: Try craigslist?
04:37.14Sargunlevi_home, We might
04:37.51SargunAnyway - later, If you want to hit me up the e-mail is: xbmodder@gmail.com I'll forward it off to them.
04:38.07levi_homeSo, I just watched the pilot episode of Stargate: Atlantis.
04:38.22maquislevi_home: how was it?
04:38.28levi_homeGood stuff.
04:38.31maquisi still haven't watched any atlantis
04:38.34maquisi like SG1
04:48.23maquishmmm
04:48.28maquismy talk isn't long enough yet
04:48.36levi_homeGiving a talk in church?
04:48.41maquisyup
04:48.47levi_homeBummer.
04:49.21maquisit won't be too bad, once i have it written
04:49.23levi_homeI got a call from the executive secretary as I was walking out the door earlier today.  Didn't answer, and didn't call back. :)
04:49.39levi_homeI'm sure he'll catch up with me tomorrow, though.
04:49.58maquislol
04:50.14levi_homeCallerID is nice.
04:51.57levi_homeTime for more Stargate.
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05:05.39maquislevi_home: yeah... except... my dad's the bishop
05:05.50maquisso, it's kinda hard to avoid
05:15.10bonez41ah, the bishop's daughter.........is that pressure? hehe
05:17.52mrpull-vlevi:  ncid + ncidpop is a good thing
05:18.19mrpull-vit's nice to have caller id pop up on the computer screen
05:19.13SargunWe should do a utah-conference
05:20.23Sargunanyone up for a phone conference?
05:20.26Sargunlol
05:26.51bonez41mrpull-v, what are you running, with the caller id?
05:27.25mrpull-vbonez41:  I have a DirecTV Tivo running ncidd
05:27.34bonez41ah.....I see.....
05:27.43bonez41ncidd is a new term to me...but the others I know
05:27.44mrpull-vand client apps on another tivo and one on a windows pc
05:28.03mrpull-vncidd is just the server app
05:29.31mrpull-vbonez41: are you a directivo guy?
05:30.09bonez41mrpull, I have never subscribed to cable...or satellite....
05:30.27bonez41but I think when I get there.....I'll build myself a mythtv box.....
05:31.08bonez41I do get awfully tired of all the crappy commercials...I hate being subjected to that mindless trash.....almost enough to want to pay for the programming I receive.
05:31.09mrpull-vyou can do myth with over the air
05:31.14bonez41true
05:31.21mrpull-vsome argue that is the best available HD anyway
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05:33.53mrpull-vi've had a tivo for 5 years
05:35.32mrpull-vi probably watch more tv because of it, but at the same time I know it has saved many many hours of watching commercials
05:43.08Sargunbonez41, how is your VoIP system planning out?
05:53.30mrpull-vhere is a quote from the tivo underground forum...
05:53.32mrpull-vWhat key do you use to get the the vertical bar character (|) ?
05:53.41nick125_lappylol
05:54.29mrpull-v2 people responded before someone else pointed out he used it in his question
05:55.22maquislol
06:03.57Sargunpipe!
06:04.03Sargunwater |
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17:36.25vontrappanyone home?
17:36.57vontrappcan you make grub work with an empty (or at least bare) menu.lst?
17:38.59nick125_lappyI think if you do use a bare menu.lst, you get a grub prompt at boot
17:39.12findlayharleypig: so what do you think about HTML::Seamstress?
18:22.53vontrappthat's exactly what i want, a prompt
18:22.54vontrappfor a cd
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19:29.58goozbach~zipcode dallas tx
19:30.22goozbach~zipcode dallas, tx
19:30.34goozbachdrat
19:39.55goozbachaawesome! gas is under $2 a gallon in Dallas
19:47.42SargunAre people back from church yet ( in california? )
19:49.43emcnabbSargun: people will usually get out any time between noon and five
19:50.01Sargunuhh
19:50.16emcnabbit depends what time you start
19:52.10Sargun4:00 she gets out -_-
19:52.35SargunHmm.
19:52.46SargunWhat time is usualy for starting?
19:52.49Sarguner
19:52.49Sargunusual
19:53.01emcnabbit lasts 3 hours
19:53.19emcnabband it depends how many churchs meet per building
19:53.29Sargunone building
19:53.30Sargunone church
19:53.34Sargunmormon church
19:53.41emcnabbprobably would start at about 10
19:53.49emcnabbso would be done about 1
19:54.10SargunShe usually stays a little later
19:54.17SargunI'll just call her in the evening
19:54.43emcnabbwho is 'her'?
19:55.09Sargunfriend of mine, who went to the city last night, and I wanted to ask her how it went
19:55.17Sargunbecause I realized how stupid I was last night
19:55.27Sargunlong stupid story.
19:55.28emcnabbshe's LDS?
19:55.32Sargunyeah
19:55.43Sargunand I know she can't date until 16 -_-
19:58.12Sargunwhy are you wondering if she is LDS?
19:59.17Sarguno.O
19:59.34emcnabbjust curious why you asked on #utah, so I made an assumption (just wanted to confirm it)
19:59.56Sargunah.
20:00.21SargunMy school is turning into one of those stereotypical high schools you see on T.V.
20:00.25SargunIts not good.
20:00.47emcnabbthat stinks
20:01.33SargunYeah
20:01.55Sargunemcnabb, so, what about you, whats up?
20:02.57emcnabbjust getting ready to teach seminary tomorrow morning
20:03.36SargunMhmm, waking up at 4AM sounds fun, doesn't it?
20:04.02emcnabb5apm
20:04.08emcnabbugh
20:04.11emcnabb5am
20:04.15Sargun5[ap]m
20:04.15Sargunoh
20:04.18Sargunnevermind
20:04.19emcnabbto teach at 6am
20:04.25emcnabbeither way, it's early :-)
20:04.28emcnabbdoes your friend go?
20:04.32SargunAh, here they start at 5:30
20:04.33Sargunyeah
20:04.43emcnabbwow
20:04.44Sargunone of mine (guy friend) sleeps through it
20:04.50Sargunlol
20:04.55Sargunwow, why
20:05.04emcnabbyeah, it's hard to stay awake; most people enjoy it though
20:06.14emcnabbtell your friend that you know someone who's a seminary teacher; it will be a good converstation starter for this evening :-)
20:06.26Sargunheh, :-)
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20:08.01SargunShe wants me to attend sunday service -- which should be interesting
20:08.18emcnabbmight as well
20:08.42emcnabbit's not like there's much else to do on Sunday morning at 10am
20:09.09Sargunsleep :-P
20:09.13Sargunheh
20:09.22Sargunhomework usually is what sunday I'm doing
20:10.17Sargunwhoa, that came out weird.
20:10.26emcnabbhaha
20:10.46SargunFor like the past 36 hours my brain has turned into mush.
20:11.07Sargunlack of caffine
20:11.09Sargun:-P
20:20.28Sargunback
20:23.21SargunHow is Mrs. McNabb?
20:23.38emcnabbfine
20:23.46emcnabbshe's in Utah visiting relatives
20:23.51emcnabbshe'll be back on Tuesday
20:23.53Sargunmhmm
20:24.24SargunYou enjoy the quiet? :-P
20:25.18SargunHow do your seminary students like you?
20:26.09emcnabbyeah, but I still have to deal with the dog
20:26.22emcnabbI think they like class (or so it seems)
20:26.39maquisemcnabb: how's tuxie?
20:26.50maquis(that is the dog's name, right?)
20:27.18emcnabbyeah
20:27.18SargunThats good, at least better you than a 50 year old guy who doesn't want to be there, but has nothing better to do with his time
20:27.18emcnabbshe's fine
20:27.47emcnabbSargun: yeah; fortunately most teachers have pretty good attitudes
20:27.56SargunThats good.
20:28.31maquismy mom taught for 2 years, and her class loved having her as a teacher
20:28.42maquisit's a lot of work, though
20:30.29Sargunhm
20:31.59harleypigfindlay: You've already asked me about HTML::Seamstress haven't you?
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23:12.59findlayharleypig: yeah, but I'm obsessed about getting your opinion.  Can you say anything buzzwordy or hip to placate my rabid suit?
23:13.23harleypigHTML::Seamstress is trying to do what Template::Toolkit is already doing better.
23:16.56findlayI don't know how I feel about super scaffolded framworks either.  It seems kind of java-esque
23:19.31harleypigI don't think TT is that much of a scaffold or framework.
23:19.41harleypigMason is.
23:22.55harleypigI know what I want for Christmas ... or my birthday even: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=PRS500U2
23:27.44findlay~wikipedia++
23:29.26findlayharleypig: I like the idea of thinking about the HTML structurally rather than as an arbitrary blob of markup
23:31.26findlayharleypig: yes.  I'm not saying TT is a huge framework, but rather seamstress appears to want to be one
23:35.31findlaydoes/can TT completely subsume the HTML, something like a meta markup language?  If not (in my inexperienced opinion) it's sloppy to leave cruft around that isn't/can't be handled by the template
23:39.33harleypigfindlay: TT *can* but normally you want to let TT handle the data and leave the design alone
23:39.59harleypigOtherwise you might as well just embed the html in the cgi app

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