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| 00:16.06 | maquis | ~curse tomcat |
| 00:16.07 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tomcat ! |
| 00:18.33 | levi | Hah hah, maquis has to use Java. :P |
| 00:26.50 | calvarez | maquis, taking 462? |
| 00:30.42 | Sargun | no |
| 00:31.16 | calvarez | heh, hi Sargun |
| 00:31.33 | Sargun | Hiya, whats up? |
| 00:31.37 | calvarez | not much |
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| 00:43.27 | findlay | harleypig: that's alright. I /ignore everybody anyway. The only reason my comments seem apropos is because of telepathy |
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| 00:57.09 | harleypig | heh |
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| 01:11.17 | levi_home | calvarez: maquis has been gradumicated, and now she's an Amazon Woman. |
| 01:11.17 | findlay_ | heh |
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| 01:26.22 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 01:27.19 | Keighvin | And by "whatever-you-want@paultomlinson.net" what I really mean, and should hae said, was "*@paultomlinson.net" |
| 01:27.29 | Keighvin | s/hae/have/ |
| 01:30.36 | levi_home | What kind of a novel? |
| 01:31.13 | Keighvin | psychological/humanitarian masquerading as sci-fi. |
| 01:32.03 | Keighvin | There's a lot of advanced comological theory involved, but that serves more s the backdrop of the story than the point of it. |
| 01:32.20 | levi_home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.49 | Keighvin | Of course, as is also the case with sci-fi most plot elements have already ben explored in some vein alreay. |
| 01:34.20 | findlay | yee haw, ripped that brentwood DHCP cruft out of my URL |
| 01:34.26 | Keighvin | I'm hoping that their recombination and new take on treatment will be sufficient to distinguish them from the realm of cliche. |
| 01:34.27 | levi_home | s/sci-fi/literature/ |
| 01:35.02 | levi_home | No, that's not what I meant. |
| 01:35.40 | Keighvin | -lart ibot for not reading levi_home's mind |
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| 01:38.01 | Keighvin | Time to bathe the youngin's,y'all. |
| 01:38.09 | Keighvin | Catch up with you later. |
| 01:40.29 | epp | hi |
| 01:40.44 | levi_home | Hi. |
| 01:40.50 | epp | whats new? |
| 01:41.12 | findlay | levi_home's become a C pundit |
| 01:41.12 | levi_home | Just singing songs for my baby daughter. |
| 01:41.21 | epp | nice nice. |
| 01:41.44 | levi_home | findlay: You say that like it just happened. |
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| 01:51.26 | findlay | what is a script header? |
| 01:51.35 | findlay | some kind of HTTP directive? |
| 01:54.44 | findlay | ~script header |
| 01:55.29 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: what's a script header? |
| 01:55.36 | mheath[laptop] | Today would really, really suck if it wasn't for the knowledge that I made about $100 today. |
| 01:55.58 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, you've got me. |
| 01:56.17 | findlay | nobody seems to know |
| 01:57.25 | findlay | the world is coming to an end |
| 01:57.33 | findlay | it's all over |
| 01:58.24 | jsmith | findlay: It looks like Content-type: text/xml |
| 01:58.38 | findlay | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1341.txt |
| 01:58.39 | jsmith | findlay: Or something like that, depending on what type of header you're trying to send |
| 01:58.47 | findlay | thanks jsmith |
| 01:59.22 | mheath | This makes no sense. |
| 01:59.33 | mheath | UoU's Financial Aid Status website thingy is really, really confusing |
| 01:59.57 | mheath | And, from what I can tell, directly contradicts what the FAFSA said. |
| 02:00.48 | findlay | ibot: script headers is at http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1341.txt |
| 02:00.50 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 02:01.32 | mheath | The FAFSA report said that the DVA said I wasn't in the military, so I had to submit a DD214 to the school to prove I was |
| 02:01.59 | mheath | The UoU report said that the DVA said I was _currently_ in the military, so I have to submit a signed letter from a CO saying I'll be discharged before a certain date. |
| 02:04.58 | harleypig | findlay: what context do you mean? |
| 02:05.12 | findlay | harleypig: http, I guess |
| 02:05.19 | findlay | except it's not working |
| 02:05.56 | findlay | I have a script that prints "Content-type: text/plain\nhello" and apache still complains |
| 02:09.01 | findlay | guess I need a double newline |
| 02:09.14 | elg | yes |
| 02:09.18 | harleypig | yeah |
| 02:09.28 | harleypig | "Content-type: text/plain\n\nhello" |
| 02:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Otherwise it's another header |
| 02:09.50 | harleypig | which would have to be X-Hello: Hi there! |
| 02:10.31 | harleypig | You don't need an excuse! |
| 02:10.47 | findlay | hey, cool, that worked |
| 02:11.29 | findlay | from now on I'm appending an X-Hello: header to my web content as an easter egg in memory of harleypig |
| 02:12.39 | harleypig | findlay: This is a really good rfc to read - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt |
| 02:12.56 | findlay | heh |
| 02:12.57 | harleypig | :D |
| 02:13.19 | harleypig | Make it X-Harleypig: says Hi! |
| 02:13.30 | findlay | ok |
| 02:13.33 | harleypig | s/p/P/ |
| 02:15.34 | harleypig | That'd be funny ... a couple of years from now I'm trying to scrape a site and I run across that in some sites headers. |
| 02:16.41 | findlay | (: |
| 02:17.20 | findlay | http://jfindlay.us/cgi-bin/Quickstart/greeting-treebuilder.pl |
| 02:19.47 | maquis | calvarez: sorry i missed your comment... levi_home is correct... i'm gradumiated |
| 02:20.59 | findlay | and now she's a cunning warrior woman |
| 02:22.52 | levi_home | Who has to use Java. :) |
| 02:23.38 | maquis | yup |
| 02:23.45 | maquis | and it stinks |
| 02:24.44 | levi_home | I'm sure it smelled better when it was called Oak. |
| 02:26.28 | findlay | mmm, Tschaikowsky's 5th |
| 02:26.31 | elg | I like the smell of coffee |
| 02:27.46 | maquis | levi_home: nah... cedar smelled the best |
| 02:29.21 | findlay | you don't know what felicity is available in this world until you've heard Tschaikowsky's 5th symphony |
| 02:30.38 | levi_home | maquis: I don't think you'd have liked cedar much better. It had Pascal syntax and Algol semantics, and it only ran on machines at Xerox PARC. |
| 02:30.57 | maquis | uh... wow... |
| 02:31.16 | maquis | and i use mutt, not pine... |
| 02:31.18 | maquis | and... |
| 02:31.19 | maquis | hmmm |
| 02:31.19 | levi_home | (It was indeed a precursor to Oak, though) |
| 02:31.27 | maquis | that's so weird |
| 02:31.40 | findlay | didn't scheme take some semantics from Algol? |
| 02:31.55 | levi_home | Yes. |
| 02:32.01 | findlay | Algol60 |
| 02:32.23 | findlay | levi_home: a precursor to Oak, or the language that became Java? |
| 02:33.01 | levi_home | findlay: Oak is the language that became Java. |
| 02:33.21 | findlay | I understood it was not called Oak because the language already existed |
| 02:35.00 | calvarez | heh |
| 02:35.21 | calvarez | I can say one thing: Tomcat isn't that great |
| 02:35.34 | findlay | the navy just retired the last one |
| 02:35.46 | calvarez | Java for server applications in general isn't good either |
| 02:36.30 | levi_home | http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/seanl/stuff/java-objc.html |
| 02:51.09 | levi_home | Heh, Netflix just sent me Hellboy on DVD. |
| 02:51.36 | maquis | calvarez: tomcat sucks |
| 02:51.45 | maquis | that's what i had to fight all day |
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| 02:57.53 | goozbach | ~close maquis |
| 02:58.07 | ibot | ACTION stands too close to maquis ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 02:58.52 | maquis | ?? |
| 02:59.43 | goozbach | I just needed the tooclose url |
| 02:59.51 | goozbach | your name was the one I used |
| 03:00.23 | findlay | heh |
| 03:03.37 | levi_home | findlay: Oak was renamed to Java purely for marketing reasons. |
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| 03:05.22 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, link? |
| 03:05.31 | mheath[laptop] | I didn't think they'd retired all the Tomcat's |
| 03:05.42 | mheath[laptop] | I thought the F-14 was going to remain in inventory until 2010 |
| 03:06.22 | findlay | http://www.ecanadanow.com/us/2006/09/21/us-navy-retires-the-f-14-tomcat/ |
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| 03:07.31 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1100&ct=1 |
| 03:07.33 | findlay | kind of sad |
| 03:07.38 | mheath[laptop] | I trust that more than I trust ecanadanow.com |
| 03:07.44 | findlay | the tomcat was a beautiful bird |
| 03:07.56 | mheath[laptop] | "Current plan is to have Tomcats in service until mid-FY07." |
| 03:09.47 | findlay | http://jfindlay.us/F-14.jpg |
| 03:10.00 | levi_home | Has everyone seen this? http://blog.moertel.com/articles/2006/10/18/a-type-based-solution-to-the-strings-problem |
| 03:10.28 | mheath[laptop] | I've been on an aircraft carrier flightdeck when an F-14 landed :) |
| 03:10.44 | findlay | awesome |
| 03:10.47 | Keighvin | ibot: salute |
| 03:10.48 | ibot | ACTION salutes to the glory of the Steemwheedle Cartel |
| 03:11.05 | mheath[laptop] | Helping as a crew member to prepare for it's landing, actually |
| 03:11.15 | findlay | I've given a concert on the hangar deck of an Nimitz class carrier |
| 03:11.20 | mheath[laptop] | USNSCC was an awesome youth group. Gave me lots of experiences (like that) you don't get anywhere else :) |
| 03:11.24 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, which? |
| 03:11.40 | findlay | Stennis out of San Diego, CVN 74 |
| 03:11.49 | findlay | got to talk to the admiral |
| 03:11.53 | mheath[laptop] | ah, they moved the Stennis IIRC |
| 03:12.08 | findlay | that was awesome |
| 03:12.27 | mheath[laptop] | I think it's up in Bremerton, Washington now |
| 03:14.19 | mheath[laptop] | No...hmm.. |
| 03:15.56 | mheath[laptop] | ah, yeah, I was right :) |
| 03:16.03 | mheath[laptop] | I went aboard the Stennis briefly |
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| 03:16.33 | mheath[laptop] | I didn't think the ship I was on was commissioned anymore, actually |
| 03:16.49 | mheath[laptop] | Bremerton is mainly a ship graveyard. Older stuff, decommisioned, awaiting scrapping or sale. |
| 03:17.11 | Keighvin | Or new paint jobs. |
| 03:17.21 | mheath[laptop] | No. |
| 03:17.29 | findlay | old paint jobs |
| 03:17.37 | mheath[laptop] | Repainting is a constant thing. Done when the ships anywhere. |
| 03:17.42 | Keighvin | It was a better thoroughfare when Whidbey was still active. |
| 03:17.56 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, your in a band? |
| 03:18.07 | findlay | I was in the Mormon Symphony |
| 03:18.16 | mheath[laptop] | Ah. |
| 03:18.29 | findlay | we toured to Camp Pendleton and the Stennis |
| 03:18.43 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Camp Pendleton |
| 03:18.48 | Keighvin | mheath: s/your/you're/ |
| 03:19.01 | findlay | that was way back in 1999 |
| 03:19.40 | mheath[laptop] | with the USNSCC, but I was basically an unrated crew member |
| 03:19.50 | Keighvin | Before or after he died? |
| 03:21.11 | findlay | I'm going to be in the OTS soon anyway |
| 03:21.32 | mheath[laptop] | Oh, Keighvin, after. |
| 03:21.38 | mheath[laptop] | Summer of '05. |
| 03:21.44 | Keighvin | Well, was he breathing when you spent time on him? |
| 03:22.40 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Keighvin |
| 03:22.55 | Keighvin | ~whaleparry mheath |
| 03:22.58 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry mheath's attacks. |
| 03:23.18 | mheath[laptop] | haha |
| 03:24.15 | mheath[laptop] | Does it mean 'ultimately more agile'? |
| 03:24.24 | mheath[laptop] | I fail to see how it is eminently more agile |
| 03:24.38 | Keighvin | eminently. "evidently much more so" |
| 03:25.01 | Keighvin | The command is normally expected to be used in conjunction with: |
| 03:25.15 | Keighvin | ~whaleslap mheath |
| 03:25.16 | ibot | ACTION beats mheath upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:25.40 | mheath[laptop] | eminently: in an eminent manner |
| 03:26.01 | mheath[laptop] | oh, I was thinking imminent |
| 03:26.05 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart phonetics |
| 03:26.09 | goozbach | ~whaleperry Keighvin |
| 03:26.18 | Keighvin | Which, in context and taking to its Nth degree, resolves as I defined. |
| 03:26.25 | mheath[laptop] | goozbach, my defender. |
| 03:26.31 | Keighvin | ~whalstab goozbach |
| 03:26.43 | Keighvin | ~whalestab goozbach |
| 03:26.44 | ibot | ACTION stabs goozbach with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 03:27.03 | Keighvin | I get some leeway for typos, sine I'm doing it with my thumbs. |
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| 03:27.12 | Keighvin | s/sine/since/ |
| 03:27.13 | findlay | heh |
| 03:27.21 | macnewbold | what happened to your fingers? |
| 03:27.29 | goozbach | whalestab? |
| 03:27.30 | Keighvin | Sony makes a mean PDA. |
| 03:27.30 | macnewbold | or are you on a thumb keyboard? |
| 03:27.33 | macnewbold | ah |
| 03:27.35 | goozbach | cool |
| 03:27.39 | Keighvin | Made, rather. |
| 03:27.43 | macnewbold | don't cramp up, make sure to take breaks |
| 03:27.46 | goozbach | ~whaleparry Keighvin |
| 03:27.47 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Keighvin's attacks. |
| 03:27.51 | Keighvin | shame they exited the market. |
| 03:27.53 | macnewbold | or you'll get RSI/Carpal Tunnel in your thumbs |
| 03:28.00 | Keighvin | ~whaleambush goozbach |
| 03:28.02 | ibot | ACTION ambushes goozbach with Giovanni, a whale that's a bit too big to be a dagger |
| 03:28.11 | mheath[laptop] | ~whaleshield Keighvin |
| 03:28.17 | macnewbold | then you'll be no more good than a monkey, without an opposable thumb |
| 03:28.27 | Keighvin | The actuating tendons for the thumbs are housed in the musculature of the hand. |
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| 03:28.44 | Keighvin | Not the crpal tunnel. |
| 03:28.51 | findlay | hi |
| 03:28.53 | Sargun | How stupid is it to date your teacher's/professor's daughter? |
| 03:28.55 | mheath[laptop] | ~greet Sargun |
| 03:28.56 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Sargun |
| 03:29.05 | mheath[laptop] | .... |
| 03:29.11 | mheath[laptop] | This is the point where I go to bed |
| 03:29.12 | Keighvin | Monkey thumbs are opposable, they just don't use them. |
| 03:29.20 | macnewbold | only some monkey thumbs are opposable |
| 03:29.25 | Sargun | Some guy in my spanish class is, this should be entertaining |
| 03:29.37 | mheath[laptop] | I have to get up early and call up UoU's finance office to sort things out |
| 03:29.37 | Keighvin | Sargun: your grade will be entirely dependent on your conduct. |
| 03:29.42 | mheath[laptop] | then work a double shift (yah!) |
| 03:29.52 | macnewbold | there are (at least) two types of monkeys - old world and new world. One has a prehensile tail, the other doesn't, and one has opposable thumbs but the other doesn't |
| 03:30.07 | macnewbold | at least that's my recollection from my last visit to the zoo |
| 03:30.08 | findlay | you need to find the renormalization of her IQ and propagate the errors with the average temperature to find out how dumb it is |
| 03:30.33 | mheath[laptop] | I love how he saids "teacher's/professor's" like he's trying to pretend he's not in junior high :P |
| 03:30.37 | mheath[laptop] | 1. Date the daughter |
| 03:30.38 | Sargun | Keighvin, Heh. |
| 03:30.40 | mheath[laptop] | 2. Expose the corrupt teacher |
| 03:30.43 | mheath[laptop] | 3. ????? |
| 03:30.44 | mheath[laptop] | 4. Profit! |
| 03:30.58 | Sargun | mheath, first of all, I'm not that stupid |
| 03:30.58 | Keighvin | ~lame mheath |
| 03:31.00 | ibot | mheath is completely not lame. |
| 03:31.04 | mheath[laptop] | haha |
| 03:31.15 | mheath[laptop] | ibot isn't responding to me in PM :( |
| 03:31.18 | Keighvin | ibot: no, mheath is lame |
| 03:31.20 | ibot | Keighvin: okay |
| 03:31.21 | findlay | it's all #utah's fault I'm not getting any useful hacking done |
| 03:31.25 | goozbach | Sargun: I'd say 'teacher's' daughter, bad idea |
| 03:31.36 | Sargun | goozbach, it is, this is going to be funny |
| 03:31.43 | goozbach | professor's daughter, depends on her age |
| 03:31.52 | goozbach | over 18, free game |
| 03:31.53 | mheath[laptop] | ibot, no, mheath is half Marine, half civilian |
| 03:31.55 | ibot | mheath[laptop]: okay |
| 03:31.55 | Sargun | Someone in my spanish class is doing this... |
| 03:32.33 | Keighvin | ~mheath |
| 03:32.35 | ibot | mheath is probably lame |
| 03:32.38 | goozbach | and as long as you're a gentelman, the easy access to the professor could help |
| 03:33.02 | goozbach | esp if he/she grades on the curve |
| 03:33.04 | mheath[laptop] | ibot, no, mheath is half Marine, half civilian |
| 03:33.06 | ibot | okay, mheath[laptop] |
| 03:33.13 | mheath[laptop] | ~mheath |
| 03:33.14 | ibot | i guess mheath is half Marine, half civilian |
| 03:33.26 | findlay | ibot wasn't so sure about that one |
| 03:33.31 | mheath[laptop] | I like that :) |
| 03:33.35 | Keighvin | ~mheath |
| 03:33.37 | ibot | i heard mheath is as lame as they come |
| 03:33.44 | Keighvin | Don't expect it to last long. |
| 03:33.52 | Keighvin | >:) |
| 03:33.54 | findlay | heh |
| 03:33.57 | goozbach | mheath[laptop]: you can lock a factoid |
| 03:34.05 | goozbach | if it matches your name |
| 03:34.08 | goozbach | ~goozbach |
| 03:34.09 | ibot | from memory, goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 03:34.12 | mheath[laptop] | goozbach, how? |
| 03:34.23 | goozbach | mheath[laptop]: figure it out |
| 03:34.28 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.37 | Keighvin | ibot hasit disabled, so as to reduce abuse. |
| 03:34.53 | Keighvin | s/hasit/has it/ |
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| 03:35.11 | mheath | ibot has an unforget! |
| 03:35.14 | mheath | unforget Sargun |
| 03:35.20 | mheath | ibot, unforget Sargun |
| 03:35.20 | ibot | mheath: cannot undeleted 'sargun' because it already exists! |
| 03:35.27 | goozbach | ~goozbach |
| 03:35.28 | ibot | it has been said that goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 03:35.29 | Sargun | ibot, forget sargun |
| 03:35.32 | Keighvin | ~clm mheath |
| 03:35.33 | ibot | ACTION performs a Career Limiting Move on mheath by enlisting them with the EVIL COMPANY. |
| 03:35.33 | goozbach | ~no, goozbach is purple |
| 03:35.37 | Sargun | ibot, no sargun |
| 03:35.45 | Sargun | ibot, sargun is dead |
| 03:35.46 | ibot | nothing |
| 03:35.52 | findlay | heh |
| 03:35.53 | goozbach | ~goozbach |
| 03:35.54 | ibot | i heard goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 03:35.56 | Sargun | ibot, forget sargun $blah |
| 03:35.56 | ibot | Sargun: i didn't have anything called 'sargun $blah' to forget |
| 03:36.15 | goozbach | ibot: no, goozbach is purple |
| 03:36.16 | ibot | goozbach: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 03:36.17 | mheath | Keighvin, no, I already did that. I got kicked out. |
| 03:36.20 | Keighvin | ~sargun me |
| 03:36.21 | ibot | nothing |
| 03:36.21 | goozbach | see |
| 03:36.29 | mheath | ~lock mheath |
| 03:36.29 | ibot | locking factoid mheath, mheath |
| 03:36.36 | mheath | ~unlock mheath |
| 03:36.36 | ibot | mheath: unlocking factoid mheath |
| 03:36.37 | Keighvin | ~evil company |
| 03:36.38 | ibot | somebody said evil company was Overstock.com, or sco. Microsoft |
| 03:37.09 | findlay | oooh, teh 3v1l |
| 03:37.38 | mheath | ibot: no, mheath is half Marine, half civilian. The hanousness can't quite take over.... |
| 03:37.39 | ibot | okay, mheath |
| 03:37.47 | mheath | ~lock mheath |
| 03:37.47 | ibot | locking factoid mheath, mheath |
| 03:37.52 | mheath | ~mheath |
| 03:37.53 | ibot | you are probably half Marine, half civilian. The hanousness can't quite take over.... |
| 03:38.07 | mheath | ~DI findlay |
| 03:38.18 | mheath | I didn't make a ~DI ?! |
| 03:38.37 | findlay | ~di |
| 03:38.39 | ibot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html, or like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 03:39.10 | Keighvin | ~lart mheath |
| 03:39.48 | mheath | ibot, DI $foo is <action> stands screaming at $foo , his campaign cover raming into his nose, until another Drill Instructor joins him in tag-teaming $foo with a torrent of screaming |
| 03:39.50 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 03:39.54 | mheath | ~DI findlay |
| 03:39.55 | ibot | ACTION stands screaming at findlay , his campaign cover raming into his nose, until another Drill Instructor joins him in tag-teaming findlay with a torrent of screaming |
| 03:40.08 | maquis | raming? |
| 03:40.16 | mheath | To ram. |
| 03:40.32 | maquis | ~dict raming |
| 03:40.44 | mheath | maquis, try having a hard, plastic brim of a hat poke into you repeatedly.' |
| 03:41.00 | maquis | mheath: that would not be raming |
| 03:41.07 | maquis | ramming, perhaps... but certainly not raming |
| 03:41.10 | mheath | ramming. |
| 03:41.36 | mheath | ibot, no, DI $foo is <action> stands screaming at $foo , his campaign cover ramming into his nose, until another Drill Instructor joins him in tag-teaming $foo with a torrent of screaming |
| 03:41.38 | ibot | okay, mheath |
| 03:41.45 | mheath | ~DI findlay |
| 03:41.46 | ibot | ACTION stands screaming at findlay , his campaign cover ramming into his nose, until another Drill Instructor joins him in tag-teaming findlay with a torrent of screaming |
| 03:42.28 | Keighvin | ~DI mheath |
| 03:42.30 | ibot | ACTION turns mheath over to a second-hand store for a tax deduction receipt. |
| 03:42.56 | maquis | Keighvin: well done |
| 03:43.51 | findlay | ~di |
| 03:43.52 | ibot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html, or like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 03:43.56 | mheath | ~DI |
| 03:43.57 | ibot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html, or like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 03:44.06 | mheath | ~DI Keighvin |
| 03:44.07 | ibot | "DI"? "DI"? How about I poke you in "DI"? I don't see any "DI"'s here, just Drill Instructors. You understand, recruit? |
| 03:45.34 | Keighvin | Battery's running out (bad part about wifi on a pda) |
| 03:45.37 | Keighvin | Later. |
| 03:49.03 | maquis | mheath: in response to your question about getting poked repeatedly, no, that's not my idea of a good time, but it obviously is yours because that's what you wanted and that's all you talk about |
| 03:49.19 | mheath | Indeed :) |
| 03:50.01 | maquis | ²and i'm sure that's not how you'd reply to a drill instructor pointing out a spelling error |
| 03:50.40 | mheath | A drill instructor wouldn't point out a spelling error |
| 03:50.49 | maquis | what if he did? |
| 03:50.57 | mheath | "Spelling? Who the hell cares about spelling? Just finish writing the freakin thing." |
| 03:51.34 | maquis | that explains an awful lot about our military, i suppose |
| 03:53.13 | maquis | anyway... my point was simply that if it were a drill instructor pointing something out, you'd probably show them a bit of respect |
| 03:53.45 | mheath | Yes, very probably :) |
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| 04:00.59 | mheath | mmk, is it just me or is this worded in a very insensitive and poor manner: |
| 04:01.27 | mheath | "Oak is a popular furniture and flooring favorite. This durable wood is used for doors, paneling, home furnishings and caskets." |
| 04:01.32 | mheath | Refering to a casket for sale. |
| 04:01.43 | mheath | Durable wood used for flooring! that sounds nice! Lets get that1 |
| 04:03.15 | levi_home | I think it's just you. |
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| 04:14.29 | maquis | mheath: you don't want your casket to be durable? |
| 04:17.37 | mheath | Hmmm. I have a friend at work who lost an EGA on a necklace that had been her fathers for years....passed on to her when he died. Precious family heirloom. |
| 04:18.19 | mheath | I'm considering doing something big to present another item that might be somewhat comparatively equal. |
| 04:19.14 | Sargun | mheath, what about your sleeping? |
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| 04:29.40 | findlay | ~sleep Sargun |
| 04:29.42 | ibot | ACTION sends Sargun to bed without supper |
| 04:34.51 | Sargun | ? |
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| 04:44.04 | Sargun | ~dns hoohle.com |
| 04:44.11 | Sargun | ~rdns 10.0.0.1 |
| 04:44.18 | Sargun | ~rdns 63.240.133.76 |
| 04:52.04 | levi_home | Man, my chess program is remarkably slow. |
| 04:52.22 | scott | must be lisp |
| 04:52.23 | scott | :) |
| 04:53.48 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:54.24 | Sargun | I need a fuel cell |
| 04:54.43 | levi_home | Actually, it's OCaml. |
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| 05:13.49 | Newsome | everybody knows that camels are slow |
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| 05:15.29 | amcnabb | Hey. Check this out. |
| 05:15.43 | Sargun | ? |
| 05:15.48 | amcnabb | 0.025% off of an iPod |
| 05:15.59 | amcnabb | http://www.sensibleaudio.com/ |
| 05:16.14 | amcnabb | It's the sale in the top left corner of the main pane. |
| 05:16.26 | Sargun | lmao |
| 05:16.33 | Newsome | wow, it'll save you 9 cents! |
| 05:16.41 | Sargun | 9 whole cents?! thats amazing! |
| 05:16.43 | amcnabb | I'm totally buying an iPod from them! :) |
| 05:18.30 | Newsome | I'm sure they've got similar deals for the other parts of your order, such as -5% off the shipping costs |
| 05:18.43 | amcnabb | :) |
| 05:29.57 | Newsome | amcnabb: think that Steve will figure out how to do MPI without calling fork() on his own? |
| 05:32.40 | amcnabb | :) |
| 05:32.52 | amcnabb | I made a comment about it, but I'm not sure he noticed. |
| 05:34.59 | Newsome | there were so many people solving his stupid fork() problem that nobody really paid much attention to the more significant issue that MPI is not fork()-safe |
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| 08:07.47 | macnewbold | isn't it past your bed time? |
| 08:21.23 | tensai | it's past mine, that's for sure |
| 08:22.51 | macnewbold | mine too |
| 08:23.50 | Sargun | ? |
| 08:24.06 | tensai | I got paged about a down T1. what's your excuse? |
| 08:24.25 | Sargun | Coding the new Atarack Control panel. :-) |
| 08:24.33 | Sargun | tensai, what was it caused by? |
| 08:25.00 | Sargun | Gotta write our ticket front end & billing system now. |
| 08:25.04 | Sargun | and then we launch |
| 08:25.22 | tensai | not sure yet. their tech was a little annoyed that I had called at 2am. he'll call back later in the morning to work on it. |
| 08:27.17 | Sargun | Oh, so its not a bank or anything? |
| 08:27.27 | macnewbold | I'm still at work, working on the credit card processing system in www.gradefix.com |
| 08:28.18 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 08:28.33 | macnewbold | so why are you coding yours at 2am, Sargun? |
| 08:28.34 | Sargun | macnewbold, what time is it in your shop? |
| 08:28.45 | macnewbold | we're in Utah, so it's about 2:30am here |
| 08:28.45 | Sargun | macnewbold, because, I can't sleep. |
| 08:28.49 | Sargun | ah |
| 08:28.50 | Sargun | fun. |
| 08:28.50 | macnewbold | fair enough |
| 08:29.07 | macnewbold | I'm supposed to be back here again at 8am, too |
| 08:29.33 | Sargun | Yeah, I have to write the connection to the credit card processor for my app |
| 08:29.47 | Sargun | not looking forward to it |
| 08:30.13 | Sargun | well, the entire billing system |
| 08:30.18 | Sargun | check + card + paypal |
| 08:30.21 | Sargun | :-) |
| 08:30.35 | Sargun | Bbiaf, going to get food. |
| 08:31.13 | tensai | bbiaf? be back in a ferrari? |
| 08:31.54 | tensai | be back in a falafel? |
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| 08:52.45 | macnewbold | Sargun: if you're going to be using a merchant account to process the credit cards/e-checks, you'll also need a payment gateway account (i.e. Authorize.Net) and I can help you get set up with one or both if you'd like. |
| 08:53.13 | macnewbold | You could also in your case do it all through paypal I think, but you might find that doesn't meet your needs, depending how your app works |
| 08:53.50 | macnewbold | so what is Atarack Control panel anyway? have a link to some info? |
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| 13:40.46 | graphyx | I like gaim 2 b3. Much better then b2 |
| 13:44.35 | goozbach | I like honey maple tenderloin |
| 13:44.39 | goozbach | tasty |
| 13:44.42 | goozbach | yum! |
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| 14:01.38 | goozbach | ~lart clock skew |
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| 14:10.50 | scothoser | Morning everyone! |
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| 14:34.16 | mheath | ~unlock mheath |
| 14:35.18 | graphyx | Hey, guys, I am published. |
| 14:35.18 | graphyx | http://www.whitedust.net/speaks/3043/ |
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| 14:37.21 | scothoser | Congrats! |
| 14:42.50 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 14:49.58 | scothoser | Is the password vulnerability specific to Linux, or does all UNIX flavors have a similar method of generating passwords? |
| 14:50.11 | graphyx | This is specific to that application. |
| 14:50.14 | graphyx | NOt to linux in general. |
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| 14:56.40 | mheath_ | graphyx: cool, and interesting. |
| 14:58.07 | scothoser | graphyx: Good to know. ^_^ |
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| 15:01.15 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 15:04.43 | redbeard1 | ~lart scothoser |
| 15:05.04 | redbeard1 | heh. dwarves. |
| 15:06.09 | scothoser | ~whaleparry redbeard1 |
| 15:06.11 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry redbeard1's attacks. |
| 15:06.30 | redbeard1 | ~whaleslap scothoser |
| 15:06.32 | ibot | ACTION beats scothoser upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:06.47 | scothoser | ~whaleslap redbeard1 |
| 15:06.48 | ibot | ACTION beats redbeard1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:06.56 | redbeard1 | ~brulee scothoser |
| 15:06.57 | ibot | ACTION whisks scothoser with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 15:07.08 | scothoser | ~cook redbeard1 |
| 15:07.09 | ibot | ACTION throws redbeard1 in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks redbeard1 on 350 for an hour |
| 15:07.15 | redbeard1 | ~dog scothoser |
| 15:07.16 | ibot | ACTION stares at scothoser until scothoser whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 15:07.39 | redbeard1 | scothoser: you have jayce to thank for that one |
| 15:07.57 | scothoser | Curses!! |
| 15:07.58 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 15:08.16 | redbeard1 | have i mentioned lately how much i dislike blogger? |
| 15:08.45 | scothoser | I don't think so.. |
| 15:08.46 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:08.48 | redbeard1 | ~lart blogger |
| 15:08.53 | levi | redbeard1: Why do you dislike blogger so much? |
| 15:09.15 | redbeard1 | they're not responding right now. they always seem to be down. |
| 15:09.31 | redbeard1 | i have a weekend challenge to post, and i can't get in |
| 15:10.20 | scothoser | Hmm. I moved over to the new beta, and it's working fine for me. Odd that the beta would work, and not the standard release... |
| 15:10.40 | redbeard1 | the new beta? |
| 15:10.44 | redbeard1 | where's that? |
| 15:10.54 | scothoser | beta.blogger.com |
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| 15:11.10 | redbeard1 | ~lart Keighvin |
| 15:11.13 | scothoser | If you could get into your blogger account, you could migrate your blog over. |
| 15:11.45 | Keighvin | If it's blogger, you can also download the auto-generated archives pretty easily. |
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| 15:20.11 | redbeard1 | it's not very often i get to say "Allez Cuisine!" in my posts |
| 15:20.39 | redbeard1 | gah! blogger is still timing out! |
| 15:21.28 | Jayce^ | agave |
| 15:21.36 | redbeard1 | ~catalyze Keighvin |
| 15:24.12 | Keighvin | ~catalyze redbeard1 |
| 15:24.13 | ibot | ACTION alters redbeard1's chemistry to react more efficiently without altering the external compound. |
| 15:25.37 | redbeard1 | nice |
| 15:26.13 | Keighvin | Except that I used "alters" twice without realizing it. |
| 15:26.17 | Keighvin | ~catalyze me |
| 15:26.18 | ibot | ACTION alters keighvin's chemistry to react more efficiently without altering the external compound. |
| 15:26.39 | graphyx | ~catalyze \me |
| 15:26.41 | ibot | ACTION alters \me's chemistry to react more efficiently without altering the external compound. |
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| 15:28.06 | redbeard1 | is that possible? |
| 15:28.11 | Keighvin | ~catalyze me |
| 15:28.12 | ibot | ACTION adjusts keighvin's chemistry to react more efficiently without altering the external compound. |
| 15:28.17 | Keighvin | There - adjusts, not alters. |
| 15:28.35 | redbeard1 | yeah, but i'm talking about \me, not me |
| 15:28.47 | Keighvin | Right - I was just testing the corrected command. |
| 15:28.57 | Keighvin | As far as \me goes, he's reactive enough methings. |
| 15:29.03 | Keighvin | s/methings/methinks/ |
| 15:29.13 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.19 | maquis | methinks is a cool word |
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| 15:35.41 | mrpull-_ | the Vmworld schedule builder stinks |
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| 15:49.41 | redbeard1 | ~bzflag Keighvin |
| 15:50.36 | levi | http://xkcd.com/c173.html |
| 15:50.47 | levi | mrpull: Vmworld? |
| 15:51.16 | elg | heh |
| 15:51.19 | elg | the sad thing is that's true |
| 15:51.45 | maquis | levi: lol |
| 15:52.07 | levi | "This is not socially optimal!" |
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| 15:54.43 | emcnabb | machines with 64GB of RAM take too long to boot... |
| 15:55.14 | nick125_lappy | if I had a box with 64GB of RAM, I wouldn't complain :P |
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| 15:55.22 | levi | emcnabb: If you've got 64GB of ECC memory, just turn off the memory check at boot. It's worthless. |
| 15:55.23 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: why in the world did you turn it off in the first place? |
| 15:55.32 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag redbeard1 |
| 15:55.34 | ibot | ACTION squishes redbeard1 with a steamroller |
| 15:55.41 | redbeard1 | gah! |
| 15:55.57 | emcnabb | levi, redbeard1 I just got it from someone else, haven't had time to mess with the bios |
| 15:56.04 | redbeard1 | TimRiker: are you taking advantage of my poor engrish? |
| 15:56.20 | TimRiker | just a random brfrag |
| 15:56.24 | TimRiker | er bzfrag |
| 15:57.12 | emcnabb | I mean, I just rebooted it (since I only need it for a bit), and I didn't see the option, so now I'm just waiting... |
| 15:58.42 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: and what OS are you going to be running on this beast? it sounds like you almost have enough memory to run windows |
| 15:59.33 | levi | emcnabb: So, is that a quad-Opteron with 4 4Gb DIMMs per CPU? |
| 16:02.27 | emcnabb | levi: it's a Sun v40z; not sure about the inter-workings |
| 16:02.34 | emcnabb | redbeard1: :-) |
| 16:02.35 | levi | Ahh. |
| 16:02.59 | Keighvin | ~unlart redbeard1 |
| 16:03.16 | Keighvin | ~delart redbeard1 |
| 16:03.17 | ibot | ACTION says sorry to redbeard1 and gives redbeard1 some roses |
| 16:03.17 | maquis | ~steal emcnabb's computer |
| 16:03.18 | ibot | ACTION grabs emcnabb's computer and gives it to maquis |
| 16:03.18 | Keighvin | de, not un. |
| 16:08.49 | Keighvin | ~dharma maquis |
| 16:08.50 | ibot | ACTION combs maquis's frog. |
| 16:09.02 | maquis | huh? |
| 16:09.13 | macnewbold | ~frog |
| 16:09.14 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, frog is hop hop ribbit ribbit. schlurp |
| 16:10.56 | Keighvin | macquis: http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Television/Dharma-And-Greg-2497.html |
| 16:11.01 | Keighvin | Grep frog |
| 16:11.25 | redbeard1 | ~grep frog |
| 16:11.39 | redbeard1 | ~dharma Keighvin |
| 16:11.41 | ibot | ACTION combs Keighvin's frog. |
| 16:11.46 | redbeard1 | how odd. |
| 16:12.23 | Keighvin | redbeard1: grep frog on that URL |
| 16:13.15 | redbeard1 | ~grep frog http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Television/Dharma-And-Greg-2497.html |
| 16:13.29 | Keighvin | Does that even work? |
| 16:13.40 | redbeard1 | apparently not |
| 16:13.48 | redbeard1 | i blame the frog |
| 16:15.09 | Keighvin | ~blame the frog |
| 16:15.11 | ibot | ACTION blames the frog (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:15.12 | redbeard1 | what's with these frogs anyway? they think that just because they have an eiffel towel, they can go and expect everyone to speak their language everywhere. who do they think they are, american? |
| 16:15.39 | Keighvin | Ribbit. |
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| 16:15.46 | redbeard1 | ~gatech |
| 16:15.47 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, gatech is where calvarez is? |
| 16:15.57 | calvarez | lol |
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| 16:18.40 | findlay | sjansen! My overlord! |
| 16:19.01 | sjansen | emcnabb said he missed me so much, if I didn't join #utah he'd cut himself |
| 16:19.34 | emcnabb | um, don't remember that converstation |
| 16:19.36 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 16:20.05 | maquis | sjansen: i think you might've gotten it backwards |
| 16:20.24 | sjansen | no, no, I've got logs |
| 16:20.54 | emcnabb | Here's what my logs say: |
| 16:21.06 | emcnabb | (12:07:40) Stuart Jansen : I smell like poop |
| 16:23.06 | levi | Whoa, sjansen has returned /again/. |
| 16:23.32 | sjansen | Like a _really_ bad lunch. |
| 16:24.01 | levi | So, I woke up at 4am last night with a migraine. That was unpleasant. |
| 16:24.34 | levi | sjansen: Have you been out of town for the last couple of PLUG meetings or something? |
| 16:25.05 | sjansen | yup |
| 16:25.11 | levi | Apparently, Wall Street programmers only use C++: http://www.96bosses.com/content/view/23/33/ |
| 16:25.28 | sjansen | sell! sell! sell! |
| 16:25.57 | levi | It amazes me that, on top of all the obscure gotchas C has, C++ adds a billion more that are sometimes even more obscure. |
| 16:27.21 | calvarez | yea...that's why it takes a REALLY good programmer to do C++ ;) |
| 16:27.22 | Keighvin | Woohoo! Polymorphic multiple inheritance! Yeah! |
| 16:27.28 | levi | It is a requirement of C++ programmers to be good at remembering such trivia; otherwise, they are statistically very likely to introduce subtle evil bugs into their code without realizing it or knowing how to identify them. |
| 16:27.40 | sjansen | Good to see somethings never change. |
| 16:28.37 | sjansen | Up is the opposite direction of down. Levi hates C/C++. If I close my eyes I'm almost in Brazil drinking a cool caldo de cana. |
| 16:28.54 | sjansen | I guess some things are just a law of nature. |
| 16:29.19 | calvarez | here is another one: "Java for server applications in general isn't good" |
| 16:29.41 | calvarez | and "it takes a REALLY good programmer to do C++ ;)" |
| 16:29.44 | levi | calvarez: Would you rather use C++? |
| 16:29.49 | sjansen | As proven by roughly a decade of successful server side Java use. |
| 16:30.05 | calvarez | levi, for what I do, definetely, not a doubt about it |
| 16:30.17 | maquis | tomcat sucks |
| 16:30.25 | levi | calvarez: What is it that you do? |
| 16:30.28 | sjansen | Oh, wait, calvarez is pro-C++... |
| 16:30.38 | calvarez | as proven by roughly a decade of Java-based servlet containers mysteriously crapping up |
| 16:30.46 | calvarez | levi, graphics |
| 16:30.47 | sjansen | maquis: hang on, I can only handle one side of an argument at a time and I'm still adjust for calvarez |
| 16:30.49 | Keighvin | ibot: laws of nature? |
| 16:30.50 | ibot | methinks laws of nature is Up is the opposite direction of down. Levi hates C/C++. If sjansen closes his eyes he's almost in Brazil drinking a cool caldo de cana. |
| 16:30.53 | calvarez | levi, we've been over this before |
| 16:31.13 | maquis | sjansen: i'm not jumping in an argument... just stating an indeniable fact |
| 16:31.30 | sjansen | Life is too short to learn C++. |
| 16:31.36 | calvarez | or as proving by the complexity and evolving features of Java-based servlet containers increasing without any simplification in their use |
| 16:31.37 | levi | Fact: just about all programmers think they're good enough to do things like program with shared-memory threads and use C++. Most of them aren't. |
| 16:31.42 | calvarez | take struts for example |
| 16:31.48 | calvarez | that should be more than enough evidence |
| 16:31.49 | Keighvin | levi: Amen to that. |
| 16:31.51 | calvarez | or EJBs |
| 16:32.04 | levi | calvarez: Yes, but I lose track of people when they change nicks all the time. |
| 16:32.05 | maquis | calvarez: yeah... struts aren't fun either |
| 16:32.12 | sjansen | Tomcat can do some absolutely wonderful stuff, it isn't until you get into the insanity that is J2EE that Java becomes a depressing tragedy. |
| 16:32.41 | calvarez | Tomcat can do some awesome stuff...until it goes nuts and messes up for absolutely no reason |
| 16:33.08 | calvarez | or becomes horribly slow in an otherwise lighting-fast server and network infrastructure |
| 16:33.11 | levi | Java would be fine for server programming if it didn't have layers upon layers of buzzwordy byzantine structure built on top of it. |
| 16:33.22 | sjansen | Admit it, the world would be a better place if we all embraced lisp, or scheme, or ruby. |
| 16:33.44 | findlay | heh |
| 16:34.06 | calvarez | (car (cdr (car (cdr (cdr (cdr (car(..... yea |
| 16:34.14 | calvarez | better place, no doubt |
| 16:34.19 | calvarez | and Micro$oft rocks |
| 16:34.21 | sjansen | ~/o I'd like to buy the world the pick axe book, and furnish it with love.. ~/o |
| 16:34.23 | ibot | ACTION sings with sjansen |
| 16:34.24 | calvarez | </Disney> |
| 16:34.46 | levi | calvarez: That abbreviates nicely to (cadadddar ...) actually. And no one writes Lisp like that anymore. |
| 16:34.59 | calvarez | oh, even better |
| 16:35.10 | calvarez | (caaaadadadaadadaddadaddadadadaddar ...) |
| 16:35.20 | calvarez | you're right it's *SO* much better!!1 |
| 16:35.42 | maquis | hmmm... cadadar -- sounds like cadaver |
| 16:35.44 | levi | calvarez: You must have missed the part where I said no one actually uses insane car/cdr compositions like that? |
| 16:35.46 | sjansen | ${$_->{foo}}[0]->{bar} |
| 16:35.47 | calvarez | caaaaaaadadadadadaaaadadaddddddddddadadaddadadadadadaddadadadada |
| 16:35.49 | calvarez | cdaddadadadadadadada |
| 16:36.06 | findlay | canada? |
| 16:36.10 | calvarez | haha |
| 16:36.16 | findlay | wait a second |
| 16:36.19 | findlay | ~blame calvarez |
| 16:36.20 | ibot | ACTION blames calvarez (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:36.26 | findlay | I knew it |
| 16:36.44 | sjansen | (*foop)->[0](&bar, baz); |
| 16:36.53 | levi | calvarez: These days, Lisp programmers use structures and objects to compose data just like everyone else. |
| 16:37.13 | calvarez | levi, in other words, Lisp is trying to be more like C++ |
| 16:37.18 | calvarez | understandable :) |
| 16:37.19 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:37.40 | calvarez | :p |
| 16:37.44 | levi | calvarez: No, Lisp tries to be nothing at all like C++. C++ was just trying to be like Simula, anyway. |
| 16:38.03 | calvarez | hahaha |
| 16:38.06 | Keighvin | ~decompile nick125 |
| 16:38.07 | ibot | ACTION decompiles nick125 painfully piece by piece |
| 16:38.20 | calvarez | "...and B beget C, and C beget C with classes.." |
| 16:38.39 | calvarez | like the Old Testament |
| 16:38.50 | sjansen | C++ is history repeated as comedy. Java is history repeated as tragedy. |
| 16:39.00 | calvarez | lol |
| 16:39.20 | calvarez | and Lisp is history repeated as a reality show? |
| 16:39.26 | Keighvin | But now I'm in the hippy tank. |
| 16:40.04 | sjansen | ~java calvarez |
| 16:40.25 | calvarez | nooooo |
| 16:40.31 | levi | C++ and OOP in Lisp were developed at roughly the same time, anyway, IIRC. |
| 16:40.39 | calvarez | ~javac.exe sjansen |
| 16:41.28 | levi | And in Lisp, it didn't require hacking on a preprocessor and then defining a new language. |
| 16:42.06 | calvarez | ~vbc.exe /out:sjansen.exe sjansen.vb |
| 16:42.10 | calvarez | pwned :p |
| 16:42.20 | maquis | ick |
| 16:42.31 | calvarez | :) |
| 16:42.34 | maquis | ~lart calvarez |
| 16:42.55 | findlay | whatever you do, don't do a search and replace in vim on 10000 lines |
| 16:43.02 | levi | Anyway, using Lisp to its full potential requires a programmer at least as bright as a C++ programmer, but it is far kinder to lesser coders. |
| 16:43.17 | ^Migs^ | pfft, you can do that in any other editor. vim blows. |
| 16:43.24 | calvarez | haaaahahahaha |
| 16:43.29 | calvarez | ^Migs^, you rock :) |
| 16:43.38 | calvarez | not get in your bunker!! |
| 16:43.40 | Keighvin | ~java sjansen |
| 16:43.41 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sjansen |
| 16:43.41 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it's ridiculous how pro-vim people are in here |
| 16:43.51 | calvarez | haaaaa |
| 16:43.53 | ^Migs^ | "OMG VIM = TEH BEST EDITOR EVAR!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oneone" |
| 16:44.04 | Keighvin | WTFBBQ!?1 |
| 16:44.12 | sjansen | C is Classical - infinitely complex and beautiful. C++ is Baroque Classical - sickeningly excessive. Java is Yanni - a watered down modern wannabe. Lisp is Java - infinitely malleable, simultaneously complex and yet simple. VB is pop - soulless. |
| 16:44.23 | ^Migs^ | then bloodshed ensues when there's a vim vs. emacs debate |
| 16:44.34 | levi | Not me. I use vim, but I am not pro-vim. |
| 16:44.40 | sjansen | The question is, what is the Techno of programming languages? |
| 16:44.41 | levi | I should say I use vim sometimes. |
| 16:44.48 | levi | sjansen: Lisp is Jazz, you mean? |
| 16:44.51 | findlay | I think it was because I was replacing a pattern containing \n with one that didn't contain \r |
| 16:45.01 | ^Migs^ | classical is infinitely complex and beautiful? |
| 16:45.01 | levi | sjansen: Haskell, perhaps? |
| 16:45.01 | calvarez | Lisp is hip-hop |
| 16:45.02 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 16:45.08 | ^Migs^ | maybe a small fraction of classical music |
| 16:45.14 | levi | sjansen: Haskell is techno, I mean. |
| 16:45.18 | ^Migs^ | but classical certain had its share fair of crap, too |
| 16:45.25 | sjansen | levi: Very yes. Lisp is JAZZ... I have accidentally blasphemed. |
| 16:45.30 | ^Migs^ | s/certain/certainly/ |
| 16:45.35 | levi | sjansen: Or perhaps ASM is techno. |
| 16:45.38 | findlay | and then gvim started thrashing, burning system resources |
| 16:46.15 | calvarez | ok, my work here is done... |
| 16:46.19 | ^Migs^ | I think it's funny how some music majors think classical was the best thing to ever grace music, and we've somehow gone "downhill" since then |
| 16:46.33 | ^Migs^ | I used to have a professor who kind of thought that. He was clearly an idiot. |
| 16:46.41 | findlay | ~idiot ^Migs^ |
| 16:46.42 | ibot | ^Migs^: you are an idiot. |
| 16:46.48 | ^Migs^ | ~idiot everyone-but-MIgs |
| 16:46.50 | ibot | everyone-but-MIgs: you are an idiot. |
| 16:46.50 | findlay | heh, that did something |
| 16:46.58 | calvarez | ~findlay |
| 16:47.05 | calvarez | hmm |
| 16:47.08 | ^Migs^ | ~calvarez |
| 16:47.10 | calvarez | ~java findlay |
| 16:47.11 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: findlay |
| 16:47.17 | findlay | ~findlay calvarez |
| 16:47.18 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps calvarez. |
| 16:47.23 | calvarez | lol |
| 16:47.28 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:47.31 | sjansen | No way ASM is Techno. |
| 16:47.42 | levi | Few modern composers take the time and intellect to craft music with the kind of depth and mathematical beauty that, say, Bach did. |
| 16:47.52 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:47.57 | levi | sjansen: Perhaps it is minimalist music, like Philip Glass or something. |
| 16:48.03 | ^Migs^ | levi's one of those aforementioned people apparently |
| 16:48.21 | levi | ^Migs^: I'm not saying Bach's music was more enjoyable to the layperson. |
| 16:48.24 | ^Migs^ | and I beg to differ |
| 16:48.36 | ^Migs^ | and didn't Bach pump out new songs every week? |
| 16:48.52 | findlay | Bach didn't write many songs |
| 16:48.56 | ^Migs^ | or is that a myth? |
| 16:49.07 | findlay | mainly choral pieces and keyboard works |
| 16:49.08 | levi | He was also a genius, which helped quite a bit, I'm sure. |
| 16:49.15 | ^Migs^ | yeah, he was okay |
| 16:49.23 | sjansen | ^Migs^: If you don't know classical, you don't get to criticise it. |
| 16:49.24 | findlay | in fact I don't know if Bach wrote any songs |
| 16:49.26 | ^Migs^ | plenty of musical geniuses out there nowadays |
| 16:49.32 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 16:49.40 | findlay | name one |
| 16:49.40 | ^Migs^ | what makes you think I don't know classical? |
| 16:49.56 | sjansen | That's why I refrain from saying nasty things about hip hop, and can't confirm that Haskel is the Techno of programming languages. |
| 16:50.09 | ^Migs^ | and even if I was ignorant can criticize anything I want. That's what being America is all about. |
| 16:50.13 | ^Migs^ | s/America/American/ |
| 16:50.29 | findlay | ugh |
| 16:50.30 | levi | Hip hop actually has some really cool stuff in some of its less-popular subgeneres. |
| 16:50.34 | ^Migs^ | I've come to understand that good hip hop takes quite a bit of talent |
| 16:50.37 | findlay | that's one way of looking at it I guess |
| 16:51.03 | calvarez | ^Migs^, stealing wallets requires a lot of talent as well |
| 16:51.08 | ^Migs^ | indeed it does |
| 16:51.12 | calvarez | but that doesn't make it good |
| 16:51.34 | ^Migs^ | indeed. Therefore, Bach may have been "talented" but he wasn't very good |
| 16:51.48 | levi | Silly people, dismissing entire genres of music after having only heard a few examples on the radio. |
| 16:52.00 | sjansen | So I'm finally looking at the Wall Street programmers article. |
| 16:52.02 | findlay | haha |
| 16:52.04 | levi | ^Migs^: For some pretty warped definition of 'good', perhaps. |
| 16:52.21 | sjansen | Contributors: Andrey Butov, experienced Wall Street programmers, and hiring managers. <-- I should trust something written by a guy that thinks he's plural? |
| 16:52.24 | ^Migs^ | nah, just kidding. Bach was awesome. I'm going to listen to his Kyrie Eleison right now. |
| 16:52.25 | levi | ^Migs^: If by 'not good' you mean you don't like his music, then sure, I can't argue with that! |
| 16:52.55 | Keighvin | self smarted: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4809103817266492649 |
| 16:53.20 | levi | sjansen: I think he meant that he got input from said groups of people. |
| 16:53.33 | sjansen | levi: Yeah, I know, but my interpretation is funnier. |
| 16:53.40 | levi | Perhaps. :) |
| 16:53.50 | calvarez | what I like is good, and what I don't like isn't |
| 16:53.58 | calvarez | *double-stamp* |
| 16:54.02 | calvarez | I win :) |
| 16:54.08 | sjansen | calvarez: I'll buy that. But I get to decide what you like. |
| 16:54.26 | levi | OK, Mr. Subjectivist. :) |
| 16:54.40 | sjansen | Starting now, you like Scheme, Ruby & C. You loathe C++ and ridicule Java. |
| 16:54.41 | calvarez | no, what I like is objectively good |
| 16:54.47 | Keighvin | harleypig, that one was specifically for you. |
| 16:54.56 | ^Migs^ | wrong. *triple-stamp-no-takebacks* |
| 16:55.18 | calvarez | "loyd, you can triple stamp a double stamp! You can triple stamp a double stamp!" |
| 16:55.25 | ^Migs^ | can't |
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| 16:55.35 | calvarez | "loyd, you can triple stamp a double stamp! You can triple stamp a double stamp!" 'ed!! <= I still win |
| 16:55.51 | calvarez | s/can/can't/ |
| 16:55.57 | calvarez | there |
| 16:56.09 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: he's not here right now, but if you'd like to leave a message, i'll be sure to ignore it |
| 16:58.15 | ^Migs^ | you suck at quoting, calvarez |
| 17:00.15 | Keighvin | ~calvarez |
| 17:00.16 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, calvarez is sucky at quoting |
| 17:02.53 | findlay | how do you convert a number into a string in python? |
| 17:03.57 | nick125_lappy | str(21461256134) |
| 17:04.22 | findlay | and I bet there's no pydoc |
| 17:04.33 | findlay | or pyretut |
| 17:05.03 | findlay | or pyfunc. Python just must needs be a deficient language |
| 17:05.10 | findlay | ): |
| 17:05.32 | findlay | nick125_lappy: yes but you are no perlfunc (-: |
| 17:05.37 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:06.02 | findlay | meaning I can't ask nick125_lappy on any terminal anywhere to find out what a function does |
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| 17:06.40 | nick125_lappy | docstrings for the win! |
| 17:16.02 | goozbach | stupid kerberos |
| 17:16.05 | goozbach | stupid vmware |
| 17:16.17 | goozbach | stupid clock-skew |
| 17:16.45 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:16.58 | sjansen | Discovering the importance of the vmware-tools, are we? |
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| 17:35.28 | tristanbob | sjansen: does your vmware-tools break when you upgrade kernels? |
| 17:35.53 | tristanbob | I think that happened once or twice - when I installed an update it broke my networking |
| 17:36.14 | sjansen | tristanbob: Actually no. I'm surprised it hasn't yet, actually. |
| 17:37.39 | tristanbob | perhaps the newest version of vmware-tools has fixed that... I had that problem 6 months ago |
| 17:38.09 | tristanbob | if it is fixed, that would be good for a virtual appliance I made |
| 17:38.17 | Keighvin | See, when you negled to fully depress the "Shift" key when typing, "SELECT * FROM ..." it turns into "SELECT 8 FROM ..." |
| 17:38.20 | Keighvin | Result? |
| 17:38.30 | Keighvin | +---+ |
| 17:38.36 | Keighvin | | 8 | |
| 17:38.36 | Keighvin | +---+ |
| 17:38.36 | Keighvin | | 8 | |
| 17:38.38 | Keighvin | | 8 | |
| 17:38.43 | Keighvin | | 8 | |
| 17:38.46 | Keighvin | .... |
| 17:38.47 | maquis | lol!!! |
| 17:39.08 | Keighvin | | 8 | |
| 17:39.08 | Keighvin | +---+ |
| 17:39.32 | maquis | probably didn't take it too long to process, though |
| 17:40.02 | Keighvin | No, thankfully - it was a single table select; |
| 17:40.23 | Keighvin | s/;/./g |
| 17:40.26 | Keighvin | s/;/./ |
| 17:40.31 | maquis | lol |
| 17:40.56 | Keighvin | :w! |
| 17:44.25 | calvarez | haha |
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| 17:50.59 | Keighvin | Holy crap, I said "negled"? How can that be a typo for "neglect" ? |
| 17:51.07 | Keighvin | dNag sputid tpyos. |
| 17:55.43 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:55.51 | Keighvin | And Canada. |
| 17:59.47 | ^Migs^ | I'm not scared of Canada. What are they going to do? Send a stampede of mooses at us? |
| 17:59.59 | maquis | meese |
| 18:00.01 | ^Migs^ | actually, that would probably be rather devastating |
| 18:00.17 | sjansen | Jayce^ is practically from Canada. Coincidence? |
| 18:01.12 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 18:01.18 | elg | any algebrans here? |
| 18:01.30 | maquis | algebrans? |
| 18:01.34 | elg | f(x) = (1-a^-1 x)/(1-a x) |
| 18:01.39 | maquis | algae-brain? |
| 18:01.54 | elg | more clearly, (1-(a^-1 x))/(1- ax) |
| 18:02.01 | elg | I need to show that that's constant |
| 18:02.06 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's much more clear |
| 18:02.08 | sjansen | I'm graduquated, I dun hafta do math no more. |
| 18:02.14 | ^Migs^ | same here |
| 18:02.15 | maquis | (1-(x/a))/(1-ax) |
| 18:02.19 | ^Migs^ | math is dum |
| 18:02.27 | ^Migs^ | math never learned me nuthin |
| 18:02.37 | elg | maquis: right |
| 18:02.52 | maquis | elg: that gets pretty close to the limit of what i remember |
| 18:02.57 | ^Migs^ | are you trying to reduce it, elg? |
| 18:03.10 | elg | reduction would be a great start probably |
| 18:03.32 | ^Migs^ | I immediately purged all math knowledge after my last calc class |
| 18:03.42 | elg | findlay? |
| 18:03.56 | maquis | elg: ask amcnabb if he comes around |
| 18:04.02 | sjansen | No, a glazed sour cream cake donut and a couple hours to surf the Web in the morning would be a great start. |
| 18:04.16 | maquis | sjansen: ?? |
| 18:04.21 | maquis | oh |
| 18:04.23 | maquis | nm |
| 18:04.32 | sjansen | I purged all my math knowledge during my last calc class. That didn't work so well. |
| 18:04.55 | harleypig | I want my epitaph to read "My zombie is coming for you!" |
| 18:05.19 | Keighvin | (nada) |
| 18:05.25 | sjansen | California? That's worse than Canada. |
| 18:05.38 | Keighvin | Grew up only a boat-ride from Jayce^. |
| 18:06.57 | Keighvin | Alright, time to haul my unskinny butt outside for some kata. bbiab |
| 18:08.27 | sjansen | So I'm subscribed to text message notices if my flights are late. |
| 18:09.49 | sjansen | Just got one from Delta. My flight is leaving nearly an hour late, but landing on time. Somehow how they expected to go gate to gate from Columbus, OH to Cincinnati in 5 minutes. |
| 18:11.13 | maquis | sjansen: naturally |
| 18:11.38 | maquis | you should be grateful that they're expediting the process so well |
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| 18:36.00 | ^Migs^ | One of my coworkers has an unhealthy obsession with the code monkey song. He's always playing it, and trying to get people to listen to it even if they've heard it before, and he waits for you to laugh hysterically |
| 18:39.29 | ^Migs^ | plus, I'm always hesitant to send him funny links like I do all my other friends. His cubicle is right next to mind, and whenever I send a link he feels the need to discuss it with me for 15 minutes |
| 18:39.38 | ^Migs^ | seriously, wtf? I have work to do. |
| 18:41.18 | graphyx | This the new guy? |
| 18:43.46 | ^Migs^ | Yes. |
| 18:43.51 | ^Migs^ | incidentally |
| 18:45.21 | mrpull-_ | anybody use cricket cellular in utah county lately? |
| 18:46.27 | mrpull-_ | my wife regularly uses 1500+ minutes per month |
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| 18:53.56 | emcnabb | ~lart the whole world |
| 19:05.31 | Tene | ~lart everyone except emcnabb |
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| 19:18.55 | vontrapp | darn mysql wants to update the schema, but then it fails to do so |
| 19:19.08 | vontrapp | s/mysql/mythtv/ |
| 19:19.22 | Keighvin | That makes more sense. |
| 19:19.29 | vontrapp | :) |
| 19:19.44 | vontrapp | my*, it's all the same |
| 19:20.27 | vontrapp | Driver error 2/145 |
| 19:22.36 | vontrapp | ah, it's a crashed table |
| 19:22.41 | vontrapp | how do you fix those again? |
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| 19:24.18 | Keighvin | myisamchk |
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| 19:25.11 | vontrapp | woohoo! about 30 versions of schema upgrade, then segfault :/ |
| 19:25.21 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath 0 |
| 19:25.21 | ibot | onjoin for mheath set by mheath[laptop] on Fri Sep 29 00:05:10 2006: Thankfully, you're reading this right now rather than some random crap out of the mouth of Sargun. |
| 19:25.28 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath off |
| 19:25.28 | ibot | ok, mheath |
| 19:25.39 | mheath | ~help onjoin |
| 19:25.47 | vontrapp | ~onjoin mheath -lart mheath |
| 19:25.47 | ibot | ok, vontrapp |
| 19:26.04 | vontrapp | ~onjoin vontrapp -lart elg |
| 19:26.04 | ibot | ok, vontrapp |
| 19:26.16 | mheath | ~onjoin - mheath |
| 19:26.16 | ibot | mheath: ok |
| 19:26.22 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath |
| 19:26.22 | ibot | onjoin for mheath set by vontrapp on Fri Oct 20 13:25:47 2006: -lart mheath |
| 19:26.36 | mheath | ~onjoin -mheath |
| 19:26.36 | ibot | ok, mheath |
| 19:26.38 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath |
| 19:26.42 | mheath | yah. |
| 19:26.54 | ^Migs^ | http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/10/19/killbear.shtml |
| 19:28.16 | vontrapp | that's nice that it segfaults from a stale uid |
| 19:28.31 | vontrapp | fixed now, hopefully everythings back to normal... |
| 19:29.07 | rsimpkins | Why does KVM over IP have to be so dawgon expensive? |
| 19:29.28 | rsimpkins | You'd have thought that someone would have made "kvm over ip on a chip" by now. |
| 19:30.08 | mheath | jeez, how did i manage to accidentally change my google language? |
| 19:30.14 | vontrapp | potato or corn chip? |
| 19:30.29 | mheath | Took me forever to change it back.....Some really, really weird language where "English" wasn't anything resembling "English" |
| 19:30.37 | rsimpkins | corn with fresh salsa. |
| 19:30.52 | rsimpkins | mheath: I think they have a klingon version - do they not? |
| 19:30.52 | vontrapp | salsa over IP |
| 19:30.56 | vontrapp | that would be good |
| 19:31.11 | mheath | rsimpkins, that may have actually been what it was. |
| 19:31.40 | mheath | "Hacker" was like Xaker or something. =P |
| 19:31.47 | rsimpkins | mheath: In all your stuff you had, did you have a KVM? |
| 19:32.00 | rsimpkins | mheath: Did you end up getting rid of it all? |
| 19:32.08 | mheath | yeah, I think I might have gotten rid of it. let me check though.... |
| 19:32.31 | rsimpkins | Yup - sure enough. Google in klingon: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/ |
| 19:32.41 | mheath | oh, I still have the KVM. |
| 19:32.43 | vontrapp | and now i get to upgrade a big wad of packages just to match my frontend to the backend |
| 19:32.48 | rsimpkins | mheath: How many port? |
| 19:32.59 | mheath | two |
| 19:33.04 | rsimpkins | crap. |
| 19:33.07 | mheath | with cables integrated, and they're nice and long.. |
| 19:33.13 | rsimpkins | I need a 4+KVM awefully bad. |
| 19:33.17 | mheath | ah. |
| 19:33.21 | rsimpkins | I guess I'll just have to go buy one. |
| 19:33.28 | mheath | yeah, sorry |
| 19:33.36 | rsimpkins | no worries. |
| 19:33.40 | Keighvin | rsimpkins: or get more displays and use synergy. |
| 19:33.55 | vontrapp | or use vpn |
| 19:33.59 | vontrapp | err, vnc |
| 19:34.06 | rsimpkins | Keighvin: Yeah, I use synergy a lot. however, in this case I need a good KVM. |
| 19:34.12 | mheath | be back in a bit |
| 19:37.16 | vontrapp | ~wtf maquis |
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| 19:40.08 | Tene | ~maquis wtf |
| 19:40.11 | ibot | ACTION breaks wtf just by looking in wtf's direction |
| 19:46.04 | Keighvin | TheDailyWTF should be regular reading for all IT professionals. |
| 19:48.10 | maquis | i particularly enjoy pop-up potpourri each month |
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| 19:50.58 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 20:19.15 | redbeard1 | ow |
| 20:19.20 | redbeard1 | that sounds painful |
| 20:19.23 | macnewbold | totally |
| 20:23.12 | findlay | elg: what's your question? |
| 20:24.27 | findlay | are you taking the limit of the function? |
| 20:24.42 | findlay | because that's pretty easy to figure out |
| 20:28.22 | goozbach | re music genres: there is some really good hip hop out there |
| 20:28.31 | goozbach | esp the new nerdcore stuff |
| 20:29.37 | findlay | like, *real* math classes |
| 20:29.59 | findlay | not the sissy intro to calculus ones |
| 20:30.21 | mheath | calculus != algebra :P |
| 20:30.31 | mheath | algebra deals with numbers that _exist_ :P |
| 20:30.49 | findlay | algebra is more than about just numbers |
| 20:31.29 | mheath | yeah, but calculus deals with numbers that don't always exist =P |
| 20:31.50 | mheath | I always thought the basic idea of derivatives and the like was rather ignoring the fact that your formula makes no sense until you can manipulate it so it does |
| 20:31.54 | findlay | and then there's number theory, comninatorics, complex analysis, functional analysis |
| 20:32.01 | findlay | no |
| 20:32.37 | findlay | you should make a very careful study of the Cauchy-Weirstrauss argument proof of limits |
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| 20:33.04 | calvarez | meh, silly stuff |
| 20:33.10 | calvarez | numerical analysis, now that's fun |
| 20:33.12 | findlay | it's a lot more rigorous than what they teach, again, in calc i-III |
| 20:33.35 | calvarez | all CS types should take a numerical analysis class |
| 20:33.41 | findlay | number theory is not sily |
| 20:33.45 | findlay | l |
| 20:33.49 | levi | Yes, numerical analysis is good. |
| 20:34.01 | mheath | I hate math, anyway. Bah. |
| 20:34.08 | levi | mheath: You shouldn't hate math. |
| 20:34.13 | calvarez | pfff! |
| 20:34.29 | findlay | how do you say 'pfff!'? |
| 20:34.31 | levi | mheath: Computer Science is heavily math-based. |
| 20:34.40 | levi | findlay: Just how it looks. |
| 20:34.43 | findlay | levi: is it really a science? |
| 20:34.51 | mheath | levi: I'm horrible at it. I know that, while I'm having an easy time with every other class, calculus will be the one thinng that will drive me insane, keeping me up late into the night trying to do basic homework. |
| 20:34.51 | levi | findlay: No, not so much. |
| 20:35.14 | levi | mheath: Being intimidated by it won't help. |
| 20:35.15 | calvarez | I think humanity should be divided in 2 casts: those who are good and enjoy math, and those who don't. The latter group should be the slaves and servants of the former one. |
| 20:35.20 | mheath | well, I should say, teachers usually don't do a good job at explaining things to me |
| 20:35.32 | mheath | Once I do a lot of personal reading and figure things out myself, things click and I'm really good at it |
| 20:35.54 | findlay | anyway, you can make the argument that 'computer' logic can be traslated into some kind of mathematical lainguage, or that computer languages really are genuine mathematical constructs |
| 20:35.58 | mheath | But when everyone else is sitting busily working on the assignment in class, I'm reading back through the book trying to figure out whats going on. |
| 20:36.21 | findlay | mheath: and it wasn't like that for me? |
| 20:36.25 | findlay | heh |
| 20:36.30 | findlay | I can tell you stories |
| 20:36.43 | levi | findlay: Heard of the Curry-Howard Isomorphism? |
| 20:36.48 | findlay | no |
| 20:37.05 | levi | findlay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry-Howard_isomorphism |
| 20:37.18 | findlay | mheath: sounds like you haven't really learned from a great math teacher yet |
| 20:37.26 | findlay | they are rare, naturally |
| 20:37.40 | maquis | i've had some really bad ones... and some good ones |
| 20:37.48 | mheath | things have to...make sense in my mind |
| 20:37.54 | maquis | the really bad ones can really spoil math |
| 20:38.00 | levi | mheath: Math is the most intellectually challenging field this side of the liberal arts. ;) |
| 20:38.09 | findlay | this side? |
| 20:38.17 | mheath | I struggle when people just tell me "plug this into this formula, like this, and do that over and over again for every problem" |
| 20:38.19 | maquis | what's on the other side of the liberal arts? |
| 20:38.30 | mheath | I need to conceptually understand what I'm doing.... |
| 20:39.17 | mheath | I think part of my problem was, I got so frsutrated with math I eventually didn't always do most of the homework. I slacked a lot. |
| 20:39.41 | mheath | so when it came time to take a test, or do some of the homework, I was often conceptually missing a piece of the puzzle, so to speak. |
| 20:39.53 | levi | That will do it. |
| 20:40.12 | mheath | Geometry clicked well with me, though. |
| 20:40.19 | levi | Math isn't one of those subjects where, if you miss something in the middle, it's no big deal. |
| 20:40.20 | mheath | Only highschool math class I got straight A's in |
| 20:40.27 | mheath | which is odd, because in most other subjects I'm very analytical |
| 20:40.42 | mheath | and geometry tends to be a little less analytical than other maths. |
| 20:40.50 | levi | I'm not sure what you mean by that. |
| 20:40.50 | findlay | heh |
| 20:41.08 | findlay | geometry is the most rigorous branch of modern mathematics thanks to Hilbert |
| 20:41.39 | mheath | *less analytical than other maths, as they are taught in highschool. |
| 20:41.42 | findlay | theoretically as rigorous as is possible in math |
| 20:41.50 | levi | It's also one of the oldest branches of mathematics, I think. |
| 20:42.01 | mheath | Of course. |
| 20:42.07 | mheath | Because of architecture |
| 20:42.29 | mheath | Architecture relied on geometry, and people were building things long before calculus was conceived |
| 20:42.29 | levi | I don't think it was because of architecture. |
| 20:43.12 | mheath | levi: The ancient Egyptians are renound for their mathematics, and thats purely because of the architectural products of such mathematics. |
| 20:43.21 | findlay | even Archimedes knew some of the fundamental principles of calculus |
| 20:43.37 | maquis | architecture improved as a result of math |
| 20:43.50 | levi | The fruits of a field are not necessarily the inspriation for it. |
| 20:43.53 | mheath | findlay, yes, but knowing some of the fundamental principles and practicing it in the modern sense is a different thing |
| 20:44.09 | mheath | For that matter, you could say that humans have been practicing algebra since they learned how to add, or work with numbers at all. |
| 20:46.04 | levi | Apparently the Babylonians could solve quadratic equations at about 1900 BC. |
| 20:47.42 | mheath | Yes, because of engineering uses. |
| 20:47.58 | mheath | Modern mathematics were developed for an applied towards engineering endeavors, like architecture. |
| 20:48.18 | mheath | you didn't see people thousands of years ago discussing theoretical mathetmatics and number theory. |
| 20:49.40 | ^Migs^ | yeah, especially from these moronic Greeks. |
| 20:49.40 | ^Migs^ | *those |
| 20:50.13 | mheath | ^Migs^, show me an mathematical concept from the greeks that wasn't developed for practical reasons |
| 20:51.22 | levi | mheath: Um, Greece is where your 'math is for engineering' hypothesis starts to break down. Remember, the Greeks were into philosophy. |
| 20:52.01 | levi | They got the Egyptian geometry principles, that were based on their engineering expertise, and started reasoning about the underlying principles, as philosophers are wont to do. |
| 20:52.16 | ^Migs^ | wait a minute, since when do we ever develop concepts for non-practical reasons? |
| 20:53.13 | levi | Certainly they still looked for practical uses of math, but a lot of it was just exploring numbers and trying to understand the universe. |
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| 20:53.44 | findlay | elg: did you get your function figured out? |
| 20:54.47 | mheath | le count de ElG. |
| 20:55.14 | levi | Pythagoras practically treated math like a religion. |
| 20:55.23 | findlay | math is teh r0x0rz |
| 20:55.25 | redbeard1 | gah! |
| 20:55.32 | mheath | *beard |
| 20:55.39 | amcnabb | mheath, Euclid did tons of number theory. |
| 20:56.47 | amcnabb | And the Greeks spent tons of energy talking about Rational vs. Irrational numbers (the distinction is irrelevant to engineering). |
| 20:57.06 | amcnabb | Greek mathematicians only cared about theory. |
| 20:57.25 | levi | Apparently, it's debateable that Egyptians even had a concept of a number like '8' without a corresponding group of eight objects. |
| 20:57.56 | mheath | levi: which backs up my claim that they only used math for practical applications |
| 20:58.05 | mheath | no abstract mathematics at all |
| 20:58.07 | levi | Greeks were all about numbers as concepts, though they still held a very strong view that all numbers corresponded to real things. |
| 20:58.17 | amcnabb | I must be on mheath's ignore list. :) |
| 20:58.19 | levi | mheath: For the Babylonians and Egyptians, yes. |
| 20:58.47 | mheath | which is what we were talking about :) a lot of the philosophers you're brining up are much more modern. |
| 20:59.13 | amcnabb | Oh, well. I guess if you're rambling about stuff you don't know anything about, you don't really want to get corrected anyway. |
| 20:59.28 | maquis | touche |
| 20:59.37 | findlay | touchy |
| 20:59.39 | findlay | ? |
| 20:59.53 | ^Migs^ | I often ramble about stuff I don't know about, but it doesn't matter because everyone else is wrong anyway |
| 21:00.01 | findlay | hey |
| 21:00.05 | levi | mheath: How does what the Egyptians and Babylonians did have anything to do with modern geometry? |
| 21:00.06 | findlay | ~hit mheath |
| 21:00.08 | ibot | ACTION punches mheath. |
| 21:00.31 | levi | mheath: It's all been thoroughly filtered through the Greeks before it got to us. |
| 21:00.34 | ^Migs^ | someone would've made geometry EVENTUALLY |
| 21:00.39 | elg | findlay: yes, thanks |
| 21:00.44 | findlay | aww |
| 21:00.48 | findlay | too late |
| 21:01.07 | mheath | levi: regardless, thats where it originated. We were talking about the _origins_ and _ancient history_ of geometry, remember? :) |
| 21:01.17 | elg | the form I gave it here wasn't enough. but I didn't feel like typing e^-jw five times |
| 21:01.27 | elg | it had to do with complex conjugates |
| 21:01.31 | maquis | mheath: you were... |
| 21:01.38 | findlay | that's fun |
| 21:03.07 | elg | no not really |
| 21:03.30 | levi | mheath: As far as I'm concerned, the Greeks are ancient history, and they are the origin of what we consider Geometry today. |
| 21:04.03 | elg | amcnabb: au contraire |
| 21:04.26 | elg | in DSP there is a distinction between rational polynomial systems and irrationals |
| 21:04.34 | elg | ok, those aren't numbers. they're polynomials |
| 21:06.04 | levi | Engineers round to a certain number of significant figures, which pretty much eliminates the difference between rational and irrational numbers. |
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| 21:12.55 | redbeard1 | looks safe... |
| 21:13.03 | maquis | *grr* stupid vending machine stole my money |
| 21:13.12 | redbeard1 | i hate that |
| 21:13.15 | maquis | i just wanted something to drink besides water and hot chocolate |
| 21:13.22 | redbeard1 | jolt? |
| 21:13.41 | maquis | sierra mist |
| 21:14.09 | redbeard1 | i guess that's okay too |
| 21:14.25 | mheath | ~praise sierra mist |
| 21:14.27 | ibot | All hail sierra mist! |
| 21:14.41 | maquis | meh |
| 21:14.46 | maquis | too much carbonation... |
| 21:14.50 | elg | ~slashdot |
| 21:14.58 | maquis | but it's not water or hot chocolate |
| 21:15.17 | maquis | wow... a merit badge for not pirating? |
| 21:15.27 | elg | -lart ([mp]a|bs)a |
| 21:15.28 | mheath | haha |
| 21:15.30 | redbeard1 | whoa... that's awesome |
| 21:15.40 | mheath | yet another reason I have no respect for the scouts as a youth organization |
| 21:15.42 | mheath | ~praise USNSCC |
| 21:15.44 | ibot | All hail USNSCC! |
| 21:15.44 | elg | oops ((mp|ri)a|bs)a |
| 21:16.54 | Keighvin | ~dharma mheath |
| 21:16.55 | ibot | ACTION combs mheath's frog. |
| 21:17.26 | mheath | uh |
| 21:17.33 | levi | Cool, the next specification for ECMAScript will be written in OCaml. |
| 21:17.57 | mheath | Keighvin, what? |
| 21:20.27 | elg | hehe |
| 21:24.47 | elg | from TFA it's just the LA chapter |
| 21:24.55 | elg | which makes me think it's not a real merit badge. just a patch |
| 21:28.46 | elg | one is part of the national organization, the other is pull it out your nose local propaganda |
| 21:28.59 | maquis | ah |
| 21:30.35 | levi | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/10/19/colbert-dissects-santorum_n_32077.html |
| 21:31.15 | levi | (embedded YouTube there) |
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| 21:44.32 | ^Migs^ | I bet if Animaniacs came back right now, it would be a big hit |
| 21:51.29 | Keighvin | Like that? |
| 21:53.25 | emcnabb | this day is never going to end! |
| 21:58.39 | maquis | emcnabb: join the club |
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| 22:10.51 | mheath | I bet I make more money today than you make today, emcnabb :P |
| 22:11.20 | mheath | excuse me while I pathetically try to act like my life has some meaning or purpose. |
| 22:11.42 | emcnabb | mheath: you're talking to me again |
| 22:12.06 | maquis | mheath: i don't know, but i'm guessing you might lose that |
| 22:12.19 | emcnabb | actually, I'll make more than $100 |
| 22:12.26 | maquis | me too |
| 22:12.45 | mheath | maquis, probably, no |
| 22:12.52 | mheath | I've been good about saving money lately |
| 22:13.04 | mheath | saved up about $1,000 in the last two weeks. |
| 22:13.14 | maquis | mheath: that doesn't mean you'll make more than emcnabb today |
| 22:13.53 | emcnabb | mheath: you and your assumptions |
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| 22:16.11 | levi | mheath: Congrats on saving $1000, though. Don't spend it all in one place. |
| 22:17.00 | mheath | emcnabb, yes, sorry. Your right. I guess I was wrong - my life DOES have no purpose, even that made up half jestingly during an IRC conversation |
| 22:18.33 | emcnabb | I'm just a little confused about your "I bet I make more money today than you make today, emcnabb :P" comment |
| 22:19.00 | emcnabb | but, that's ok |
| 22:19.11 | emcnabb | mheath: please put me back on /ignore |
| 22:19.29 | emcnabb | I kind of enjoyed it |
| 22:19.29 | linuxalien | :P |
| 22:19.36 | mheath | "Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." |
| 22:20.02 | emcnabb | you're not a Marine dude, give it up |
| 22:20.11 | emcnabb | you're just like the rest of us |
| 22:20.13 | levi | It is entirely possible to have a purposeful life without being a Marine. I suggest you either find a purpose, or come to grips with nihilism. |
| 22:20.32 | mheath | emcnabb, THANKS! That was my FREAKIN POINT. |
| 22:20.38 | emcnabb | You're welcome |
| 22:20.39 | emcnabb | any time |
| 22:21.01 | mheath | Rather than saving someones freakin life, or dieing for my country, or living every day to the absolute MOST, I now get to make 5.25 workin at an applebees! |
| 22:21.21 | mheath | Oh, and if I work really, really hard and spend a LOT of money to go to college, I might be able to work up to making slightly more money in a slihglty more lazy job working with computers! Yah! |
| 22:21.42 | emcnabb | mheath: I'm happy with my life |
| 22:21.53 | maquis | mheath: there are plenty of ways to make a difference in the world without being in the marines, you know |
| 22:21.55 | emcnabb | and that's what happened to me |
| 22:21.57 | levi | mheath: You need to find purpose for your life inside you, not through some image of glory portrayed by the Marine Corp. |
| 22:22.31 | emcnabb | mheath: I worked crap jobs. I went to college. Got a better job. Have a family. Enjoy my job. Learn to live a "normal" life |
| 22:22.32 | levi | Happiness and purpose cannot be imposed from outside. |
| 22:22.41 | maquis | mheath: one of the guys i know at work volunteers as a mentor for high school students... i'd say he makes more of a difference to those kids than the marines do |
| 22:23.10 | mheath | I don't WANT to live a 'normal life'. That is my worst nightmare. |
| 22:23.16 | mheath | bah. |
| 22:23.22 | emcnabb | mheath: then live your miserable life |
| 22:23.44 | emcnabb | you'll never be happy no matter what happens |
| 22:23.57 | mheath | Lazy heinous civilians.......I alway wondered why Marines tend to look down on civilians so much. After spending time in the marine corps, I can see why.... |
| 22:24.10 | emcnabb | You're not a Marine, so stop thinking you are |
| 22:24.11 | mheath | Problem is, I'm one of them. |
| 22:24.20 | mheath | emcnabb, When did I say I was a freakin Marine?! |
| 22:24.42 | maquis | mheath: if you think that everyone who's not in the marines is just a stupid normal person who's life is meaningless, then that's setting you up for a pretty miserable life |
| 22:24.45 | levi | mheath: Do you want pity from us, or what? |
| 22:24.47 | emcnabb | why even bring it up? |
| 22:24.55 | emcnabb | why do you even mention the Marines |
| 22:24.58 | emcnabb | we're on #utah |
| 22:25.14 | emcnabb | go join #I_wish_I_was_a_marine |
| 22:25.32 | mheath | ~lart University of Utah Medical |
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| 22:26.08 | emcnabb | http://www.usmc-mccs.org/LeadersGuide/resources.htm |
| 22:26.27 | mheath | Oh, do you have a life threatening disease? Was the reason you got kicked out of the Marine corps justified? I don't know, we'll ge back to you on that. Just wait a few months. |
| 22:26.57 | mheath | emcnabb, I've taken a military leadership course, thank you. |
| 22:27.01 | levi | mheath: You're currently in a stage of life that sucks for pretty much everyone. Find a new goal, work towards it, and eventually you'll get out of it. |
| 22:27.23 | mheath | USN PO2 course at the TriTraFac up Bangor. |
| 22:27.33 | emcnabb | mheath: I actually do have heath problems, but I don't bitch to a bunch of people on an IRC channel about it |
| 22:27.37 | emcnabb | sorry about the language |
| 22:27.48 | emcnabb | s/heath/health/ |
| 22:27.52 | levi | mheath: Meanwhile, your excessive angst is getting on all of our nerves. |
| 22:27.57 | emcnabb | I guess I have heath problems too :-) |
| 22:28.22 | emcnabb | levi: I agree |
| 22:28.36 | mheath | emcnabb, Imaging being totally emersed in an atmosphere where everyone, 24 hours a day, reminds you over and over again how much you suck for said health problems. You didn't do a thing, but theres hundreds of people surrounding you who constantly look at you like you are the absolute scum of the earth. |
| 22:28.57 | levi | mheath: I, at least, am willing to be sympathetic for a while, but eventually you cross the line. |
| 22:29.05 | emcnabb | mheath: there are billions of people in the world with worse health problems than you |
| 22:29.09 | emcnabb | suck it up |
| 22:29.13 | levi | mheath: Imagine that you aren't the only person in the world with problems. |
| 22:30.11 | emcnabb | mheath: please /ignore me, my realistic view of life is obviously frustrating to you |
| 22:30.39 | mheath | Marines look at me like I'm the scum of the earth. The group I admire most hates me, condemns me. |
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| 22:30.55 | mheath | My recruiter told me to "F*** off" when I called him to say hello. |
| 22:31.39 | emcnabb | mheath: I think you have other problems besides physical health |
| 22:31.49 | levi | mheath: We're going to do the same if you don't get a grip. |
| 22:32.02 | maquis | mheath: in case you didn't notice, we aren't really that interested in hearing about the marines 24-7 |
| 22:32.25 | levi | This is not a support group; if you need one, I hope you will go find one. |
| 22:32.38 | mheath | maquis, Yeah. I understand. Thats what makes me the most upset - the only people that understood me were Marines, and they now treat me like I'm the lowest thing on the earth. |
| 22:32.57 | mheath | And I have to live every moment wondering what if. What if I hadn't finally said "I can |
| 22:32.58 | Keighvin | mheath: It's all in your head. |
| 22:33.05 | mheath | "I can't take this" and gone to medical |
| 22:33.06 | levi | mheath: Obviously they were not the paragons of virtue you imagined them to be! |
| 22:33.18 | mheath | I'd be graduating in 2 weeks. |
| 22:33.45 | mheath | I would be a Marine. |
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| 22:34.31 | mheath | bah, screw it. |
| 22:34.34 | maquis | mheath: i think you had plenty of warning about that... people were pretty clear that there had been enough |
| 22:34.35 | Keighvin | mheath: They won't be looking at you like you're a loser. |
| 22:34.45 | Keighvin | Because, honestly, they don't care that much. |
| 22:35.00 | Keighvin | Simple rules of psychology: people aren't 'out to get you', they're 'in it for them' |
| 22:35.27 | Keighvin | Projecting defeatist inferiority issues onto the actions and attitudes of others does not make them true. |
| 22:35.43 | levi | mheath: Yes, screw your whiny attitude. Be a positive contributor, or leave. |
| 22:35.52 | emcnabb | mheath: my coworker who was in the military for years is laughing at you right now |
| 22:36.16 | maquis | alright... let's drop this topic |
| 22:36.33 | mheath | Ok! you're all right. |
| 22:36.47 | levi | mheath: You're a smart kid, you are not dirt, and you've got plenty to contribute to the channel and to society. |
| 22:37.25 | emcnabb | mheath: honestly, I think you're a good guy, but I'm tired of the daily #utah pity party |
| 22:37.34 | mheath | Yeah, levi, your right. I'm going to contribute so much in the field of Computer Science. And I make people happy at Applebees. |
| 22:37.52 | emcnabb | mheath: I'm happy when I eat at Applebees |
| 22:41.06 | emcnabb | or he had to go to the bathroom |
| 22:41.06 | levi | Maybe he went to work. |
| 22:41.06 | emcnabb | yeah, could be |
| 22:41.06 | maquis | emcnabb: some of us don't leave the channel |
| 22:41.06 | levi | I don't really care, as long as he's not whining. |
| 22:41.08 | emcnabb | levi: same here |
| 22:41.15 | emcnabb | maquis: yeah |
| 22:41.35 | emcnabb | ok, it's almost 7, I need to finish up |
| 22:41.53 | Keighvin | It's been fun, y'all. |
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| 22:53.21 | Sargun | macnewbold, hey |
| 22:56.46 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 22:56.54 | elg | ooh, perl and java |
| 22:56.56 | elg | pity |
| 22:57.28 | levi | Indeed. |
| 22:57.31 | elg | who wants to come with me to the x prize cup tomorrow/ |
| 22:57.48 | levi | Though Perl 6 is looking to be a much more respectable language than Perl 5. |
| 22:58.46 | levi | elg: What goes on at the X prize cup? |
| 22:59.10 | elg | http://www.xprizecup.com/ |
| 23:00.08 | elg | a lunar landing competition and some rocket competition |
| 23:00.25 | elg | and exhibits, simulations, shameless commerce, etc. |
| 23:00.41 | elg | mostly, watching launches |
| 23:00.53 | elg | and I'm going to pick up a sectional chart for my flightgearing |
| 23:01.09 | elg | since it's at the airport |
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| 23:16.02 | levi | Sounds like fun, but I don't think I can make it to New Mexico tomorrow. |
| 23:16.12 | levi | My private jet is being serviced. |
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| 23:42.44 | levi | Way cool: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/10/a_metalanguage_for_pathologica.php |
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| 23:49.55 | findlay | levi: that's neat |
| 23:51.53 | elg | it would be neater if he had a video |
| 23:51.57 | elg | of that last thing |
| 23:54.15 | Sargun | ? |
| 23:58.52 | findlay | ~? Sargun |
| 23:58.53 | ibot | ACTION beats $foo mercilessly with a lead | |
| 23:59.24 | findlay | ibot: are you feeling well? |
