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| 00:11.10 | mheath[laptop] | Tonigh's movie pick is "Time changer", which i have the feeling is a try-to-pretend-that-this-very-christian-movie-isn't-through-the-advertising movie, in the spirit of "Left Behind: The Movie" |
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| 00:14.41 | tensai | ~shave fozzmoo |
| 00:14.51 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases fozzmoo until he sees TheRedBaron... then grabs TheRedbaron & dry shaves TheRedBaron from head to toe! |
| 00:16.15 | mheath[laptop] | who is TheRedBaron? |
| 00:21.17 | fozzmoo | heh hheh. |
| 00:21.24 | fozzmoo | Saved by the TheRedBaron |
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| 00:24.45 | mheath[laptop] | ~TheRedBaron |
| 00:24.47 | ibot | theredbaron is, like, a noob, or a hottie |
| 00:24.52 | mheath[laptop] | O.o |
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| 00:55.54 | Tene | ~elg tensai |
| 00:55.57 | ibot | ACTION sandwichmaps tensai. |
| 00:55.58 | Tene | ~tensai elg |
| 00:55.59 | ibot | ACTION chrome-plates elg. |
| 00:56.19 | tensai | ~tene findlay |
| 01:01.32 | Sargun | ~8ball call her now, or call her at 9:30 |
| 01:01.33 | ibot | Yes. |
| 01:01.40 | Sargun | ~8ball call her now? |
| 01:01.42 | ibot | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 01:01.45 | mheath[laptop] | This movie is rediculous. The dialog is silly. |
| 01:01.57 | fozzmoo | As opposed to... #utah? |
| 01:02.05 | mheath[laptop] | The guy is supposed to talk like he's from 1890, but he sounds like a legal document. |
| 01:03.38 | elg | legal documents talked in 1890? |
| 01:03.47 | Sargun | ? |
| 01:03.49 | fozzmoo | I think that's the point. |
| 01:03.54 | fozzmoo | He sounds like he's from the future. |
| 01:04.02 | fozzmoo | a future when legal documents talk. |
| 01:04.12 | mheath[laptop] | hah |
| 01:04.34 | mheath[laptop] | He also seems stupid about things that did infact exist in 1890. |
| 01:04.39 | mheath[laptop] | Like, baseball. |
| 01:05.03 | fozzmoo | And yet, you continue to watch (and document.) |
| 01:05.54 | mheath[laptop] | Ooh, now a police guy says he's going to run his name through the computer in the morning |
| 01:06.14 | mheath[laptop] | Bet you anything it comes up with a record, despite the fact that the guy was dead for 100+ years |
| 01:07.24 | macnewbold | ~8ball does he have a record? |
| 01:07.25 | ibot | No. |
| 01:07.44 | mheath[laptop] | He did. :P |
| 01:08.06 | macnewbold | what movie is it? |
| 01:08.42 | mheath[laptop] | Now he's getting in trouble for talking about religion in a public school. |
| 01:08.59 | elg | it's not a real movie. he's just pulling your chain |
| 01:09.17 | mheath[laptop] | This movie is silly. Rediculous christian....but the cover and the back made it sound like something scifi-ish |
| 01:10.59 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, "Time changer" |
| 01:11.13 | mheath[laptop] | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295725/ |
| 01:11.40 | mheath[laptop] | That review is wrong. |
| 01:11.57 | mheath[laptop] | "Profound and visionary look at 'the domino effect...'" |
| 01:12.24 | mheath[laptop] | No, it isn't. |
| 01:12.57 | mheath[laptop] | It shows a guy who talks in a silly manner, even for 1890, and acts funny, who is rediculously conservative (even for 1890), then it shows normal society |
| 01:13.07 | mheath[laptop] | The guy literally goes running out of a movie screaming when someone swears. |
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| 01:27.49 | mheath[laptop] | OK, next movie. |
| 01:27.53 | mheath[laptop] | I was going to finish this |
| 01:27.58 | mheath[laptop] | but I really, really can't take any more. |
| 01:28.00 | mheath[laptop] | I just can't. |
| 01:28.25 | mheath[laptop] | SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE EXISTED BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, 1890 GUY! |
| 01:28.40 | mheath[laptop] | Don't play dumb. |
| 01:28.47 | fozzmoo | Eh... not like it exists today- as a figment of the liberal left. |
| 01:29.08 | fozzmoo | But that's probably not important. |
| 01:29.28 | mheath[laptop] | fozzmoo, yes, but even in 1890 a sane person would have realized whats wrong with ranting on and on about religion in a basic science class in a public school. |
| 01:44.54 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 01:45.43 | graphyx | everyone just left.. you're too late. |
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| 01:45.52 | levi_home | I'll try again, now that everyone's back. |
| 01:45.52 | levi_home | Good evening! |
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| 01:47.33 | mheath[laptop] | That was...fun. |
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| 02:01.53 | Sargun | hey |
| 02:02.02 | Sargun | has anyone cool (linux-cool) happened in the past month |
| 02:02.16 | Sargun | err |
| 02:02.18 | Sargun | anything |
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| 02:16.09 | spr | flash player 9 for linux beta is released |
| 02:17.21 | spr | http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html |
| 02:19.30 | Sargun | I love you spr |
| 02:19.31 | Sargun | :-) |
| 02:21.21 | spr | ew, Sargun cooties |
| 02:21.25 | spr | ~lart Sargun |
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| 02:53.49 | mheath[laptop] | Anyone have a decent amount of experience with OOO calc? |
| 02:55.35 | macnewbold | decent |
| 02:55.42 | macnewbold | not excellent, but okay |
| 03:06.15 | levi_home | Heh, Sen. Santorum compares the situation in Iraq to Lord of the Rings. |
| 03:06.48 | macnewbold | which way? are we the good guys or the bad? |
| 03:07.14 | levi_home | We're drawing the Eye of Sauron to Iraq and away from the USA, apparently. |
| 03:07.56 | levi_home | The analogy breaks down pretty quickly after that, so best not think about it beyond there! |
| 03:07.58 | macnewbold | and who's sauron in the comparison? |
| 03:08.12 | levi_home | Terrorism, of course. What other evil is there in the world? |
| 03:09.52 | levi_home | We're letting the hobbits run off to Mt Doom unopposed. Who they're supposed to be is anyone's guess. |
| 03:10.19 | macnewbold | and where's mt doom? |
| 03:10.32 | macnewbold | yeah, you're right... it breaks down really quickly... |
| 03:12.56 | levi_home | So, did anyone go to the Matz talk? |
| 03:54.46 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, is there any way to modify the way data is entered? |
| 03:54.57 | macnewbold | what do you mean? |
| 03:55.11 | mheath[laptop] | That is, can I make a nice graphical form for data entry into a spreadsheet? |
| 03:55.42 | macnewbold | kind of - you can make it pretty by adjusting cell sizes, adding borders, background colors, etc, if you want |
| 03:56.09 | macnewbold | or you could make something however you want that outputs a CSV or something |
| 03:56.17 | macnewbold | which opens in calc/excel |
| 03:56.26 | mheath[laptop] | Well, I mean the way the actual data is entered, though... |
| 03:56.30 | macnewbold | the database part in OOO might do what you want |
| 03:56.40 | macnewbold | the way actual data is entered? |
| 03:56.40 | mheath[laptop] | Rather than typing into a cell, have checkboxes for boolean values, etc. |
| 03:56.44 | macnewbold | ah |
| 03:56.51 | macnewbold | no, spreadsheets don't usually do that |
| 03:57.06 | mheath[laptop] | OOO Base kinda does what I need |
| 03:57.07 | macnewbold | if excel can, chances are good that ooo can too, but you'd have to check the help files |
| 03:57.16 | mheath[laptop] | But it's really tedious to set that all up |
| 03:57.19 | macnewbold | right, it's more like ms access, with forms and reports and stuff |
| 03:57.27 | macnewbold | it would be pretty tedious wherever you did it |
| 03:57.38 | macnewbold | checkboxes and forms are easy on the web though, if that helps at all |
| 03:57.53 | mheath[laptop] | This is all going to be local, though... |
| 03:58.03 | mheath[laptop] | to a not-network-attached machine |
| 03:58.21 | mheath[laptop] | though...hmm! |
| 03:58.35 | mheath[laptop] | if I setup a local web server, and uses PHP |
| 03:58.38 | mheath[laptop] | That would work BEAUTIFULLY |
| 03:58.55 | mheath[laptop] | And be simple, easy to use. |
| 04:09.38 | macnewbold | right |
| 04:09.42 | macnewbold | windows or linux? |
| 04:10.02 | macnewbold | xampp is easy on windows, or linux is obvious |
| 04:10.14 | macnewbold | you might consider sqlite for your database engine, or mysql |
| 04:14.37 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, probably end up being Windows, but we'll see |
| 04:15.00 | macnewbold | cool |
| 04:19.13 | levi_home | http://blog.moertel.com/articles/2006/10/18/a-type-based-solution-to-the-strings-problem |
| 04:41.12 | macnewbold | nice article |
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| 04:52.43 | levi_home | I knew types were the answer to that problem when Joel wrote his hungarian notation article a while ago, but I wasn't sure how you'd go about doing it. |
| 04:56.57 | mheath[laptop] | ugh this is scary |
| 04:57.00 | mheath[laptop] | watching the history channel |
| 04:57.10 | mheath[laptop] | its talking about robotic arms used in car factories |
| 04:57.16 | mheath[laptop] | These things run Windows? |
| 04:57.19 | Sargun | Thats cool |
| 04:57.25 | mheath[laptop] | Why the heck would you run Windows on a robotic arm? |
| 04:57.26 | Sargun | Yeah, embedded CE last time I checked |
| 04:57.29 | Sargun | or they run |
| 04:57.30 | Sargun | uhh |
| 04:57.33 | Sargun | revolution |
| 04:57.34 | Sargun | OS |
| 04:57.45 | Sargun | what do you guys think of eblug.org |
| 04:58.11 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: Because that's what your embedded designers wanted to use, perhaps? |
| 04:58.11 | mheath[laptop] | I would have thought something like that would have a dedicated, hard-coded environment |
| 04:58.34 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, why use a large graphical operating system to control a simple mechanical object, though? |
| 04:58.51 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: Is it regular Windows, or Windows Embedded? |
| 04:59.15 | Sargun | levi_home, they run embedded |
| 04:59.29 | levi_home | A girl I went to high school with is on the Windows Embedded team at Microsoft. |
| 04:59.36 | mheath[laptop] | well, either way |
| 04:59.38 | Sargun | Thats cool. |
| 04:59.41 | mheath[laptop] | The thing its talking about is SIMPLE |
| 04:59.50 | mheath[laptop] | ~7-10 pivot points |
| 04:59.59 | Sargun | Someone take a wrench, and hit mheath[laptop] for me |
| 05:00.06 | Sargun | A robot arm is not simple |
| 05:00.14 | levi_home | I would bet that it's actually fairly tight code, since it hasn't got the same pressures as a desktop OS. |
| 05:00.16 | mheath[laptop] | Why would you use such a large environment? |
| 05:00.34 | Sargun | levi_home, I was playing with Windows CE a bit |
| 05:00.36 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: I think you are making assumptions about Windows Embedded that are not entirely warranted. |
| 05:00.50 | Sargun | its nice, other the fact that you cannot run a million things at once |
| 05:01.17 | levi_home | The whole point of using an embedded OS is to provide a more programmer-friendly API to write your program with. |
| 05:01.22 | levi_home | CPUs are cheap these days. |
| 05:01.44 | levi_home | Far cheaper than the programmer hours it would take to build up a whole embedded OS from scratch. |
| 05:01.52 | Sargun | http://eblug.org |
| 05:02.21 | levi_home | And I suspect you are also underestimating the complexity involved in robotic control code. |
| 05:02.41 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, but why do you even NEED an API when the complete operation of your device can be controled through 10-20 functions? |
| 05:02.55 | mheath[laptop] | Why do you need multitasking/process management for something so dedicated? |
| 05:03.07 | mheath[laptop] | We're talking about a device that literally sits there in a factory, doing the same thing over and over again |
| 05:03.16 | Sargun | Considering one small move, could: A) Ruin 20 million dollars worth of equipment B) Destroy a 100k car C) Kill a 3 million dollar human |
| 05:03.17 | mheath[laptop] | It doesn't need a flexible complex environment |
| 05:03.36 | Sargun | Or worse |
| 05:03.37 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: You are incredibly ill-informed about this. |
| 05:03.51 | Sargun | D) Put the human in the hospital, and have to pay health insurance |
| 05:03.55 | Sargun | levi_home, am I on your /ignore |
| 05:04.02 | levi_home | Sargun: No. |
| 05:04.12 | levi_home | As a rule, I don't /ignore people. |
| 05:04.27 | levi_home | It's annoying to see half of a conversation. |
| 05:04.27 | Sargun | you kickban them your incredible geek powers :-P |
| 05:04.37 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, All I'm saying is, these machines literally just do the same simple task over and over again. You do not need a multitasking environment, nor process management, nor memory management, nor a complex API. |
| 05:05.09 | mheath[laptop] | If you want to install that on the machine, all the more power to you |
| 05:05.14 | mheath[laptop] | but thats the official thing from the manufacturer |
| 05:05.15 | Sargun | Answer this question: What is this "Linux" that you speak of, and why is it free? |
| 05:05.16 | mheath[laptop] | the only supported thing |
| 05:05.20 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: I'm saying it's cheaper to have that stuff. And I made a living programming embedded systems. |
| 05:06.12 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: The software in it is likely far more complex than you imagine it is. |
| 05:06.50 | levi_home | I don't know that I would choose Windows Embedded for a project, but it is not an unreasonable choice to make. |
| 05:07.04 | mheath[laptop] | But why should there BE required software for a device like that? People forced into a "Use the Windows API only" for a machine. |
| 05:07.22 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home, its not the people starting the project that choose it, in this case. |
| 05:07.35 | mheath[laptop] | It is the only thing that works and allows you to use the features of this machine |
| 05:07.54 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: Clearly, the people who designed and built the machine chose it. |
| 05:08.17 | mheath[laptop] | Yes, locking all their clients into it. |
| 05:08.45 | levi_home | They would lock their clients into whatever they chose. That's the nature of the beast. |
| 05:09.04 | mheath[laptop] | Unless I'm completely missing the features of this machine, it's no more complex than a Lego Mindstorms thing with a few more motors and more precision control. |
| 05:09.26 | mheath[laptop] | We're really just taking about a simple, small robotic arm on a static base |
| 05:09.39 | mheath[laptop] | it looks like 3 pivot points on the arm, 2 on the 'hand' |
| 05:09.54 | levi_home | I don't really care what you see on TV. |
| 05:10.43 | levi_home | Real devices are generally more complicated than Mindstorms. |
| 05:11.01 | mheath[laptop] | the name is "Microsoft Windows XP CE"? |
| 05:11.05 | Sargun | ~lart mheath[laptop] for thinking robots are simple |
| 05:11.13 | mheath[laptop] | Because it just said it ran "Microsoft Windows XP" |
| 05:12.12 | mheath[laptop] | ~ignore Sargun |
| 05:12.20 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Sargun!" |
| 05:12.24 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:12.29 | levi_home | If they were unhappy with it, they probably would have bought a different robotic arm. |
| 05:12.36 | mheath[laptop] | or was that emcnabb? |
| 05:17.25 | Sargun | levi_home, tell him it was Sargun |
| 05:22.02 | mheath[laptop] | time for sleep. goodnight. |
| 05:22.43 | Sargun | ~sleep mheath |
| 05:22.45 | ibot | ACTION sends mheath to bed without supper |
| 05:22.45 | Sargun | ~sleep mheath[laptop] |
| 05:22.47 | ibot | ACTION sends mheath[laptop] to bed without supper |
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| 14:41.18 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:41.33 | Sargun | Good morning, matey! |
| 14:42.19 | levi | You're a little late for the pirate talk. |
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| 14:49.23 | goozbach | sleeping in-- |
| 14:49.39 | goozbach | WoodsDog: another GURU!? |
| 14:53.05 | graphyx | AAhhh!!! |
| 14:53.23 | graphyx | They are trying to form a majority! |
| 14:53.26 | graphyx | watch out. |
| 14:54.18 | graphyx | With everyone on IRC how do you guys get anything done around there? |
| 14:55.01 | WoodsDog | :) |
| 14:57.06 | goozbach | graphyx: it's REALLY TRICKY |
| 14:57.34 | goozbach | of course I haven't been there for 7 months now, so they might be doing something different |
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| 15:00.25 | levi | Morning, elg. |
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| 15:06.29 | goozbach | look! another one! |
| 15:06.43 | goozbach | we might have to open the season, just to help thin down their numbers |
| 15:06.48 | goozbach | like coyotes |
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| 15:39.22 | elg | ~shoot goozbach |
| 15:39.23 | ibot | ACTION shoots goozbach in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon! |
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| 15:49.48 | goozbach | ~slop elg |
| 15:49.53 | elg | er, 179995 |
| 15:49.57 | mheath | hah |
| 15:50.25 | goozbach | that's not much more expensive than a really nice car |
| 15:50.27 | mheath | Not because I want to see elg flying an airplane, but because that will make the math harder. |
| 15:50.33 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:50.46 | elg | goozbach: you mean than a moderate house |
| 15:51.00 | elg | 180K more or less. but that's new |
| 15:51.05 | elg | and who buys a plane new? |
| 15:51.08 | mheath | I think by 'nice car' he meant 'nice Porsche car' not 'nice new 2007 honda' |
| 15:51.23 | mheath | Carrera GT runs about that much |
| 15:51.28 | mheath | I'd much rather have the Carrera GT |
| 15:51.30 | elg | i suppose it's possible cars can cost that much |
| 15:51.39 | mheath | And you could drive anywhere almost as fast as you could fly ;-p |
| 15:51.47 | elg | there are smaller sport planes (two-seaters) that run about 80K |
| 15:51.58 | elg | which is less than some SUV |
| 15:52.10 | elg | but if I'm gonna buy it'll probably be something I can take my family on vacation with |
| 15:52.27 | elg | maybe I'll save up for getting my pilot's license first. ~3K |
| 15:52.28 | elg | :) |
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| 15:53.29 | elg | that's assuming I could get convince my wife to get in the plane. :) |
| 15:57.52 | tristanbob | elg: You'd get there a lot quicker if you went with a cheaper plane :) |
| 15:58.01 | tristanbob | http://www.lancair.com/Main/legacy_fg.html |
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| 15:58.48 | Jayce^ | or just get into PPG and you dont' need a license :) |
| 15:58.48 | elg | yeah, but afaict that low-end cessna is about as cheap as it comes for 4-seater |
| 15:58.56 | elg | PPG? |
| 15:58.57 | Jayce^ | and it's a whole lot cheaper.. |
| 15:59.07 | Jayce^ | power paragliding :) not 4 seats, but hey |
| 15:59.22 | elg | tristanbob: and I had a neighbor that was building a plane growing up... for 10 years |
| 15:59.25 | elg | no thanks |
| 15:59.30 | elg | no kits for me |
| 15:59.41 | tristanbob | :) don't trust yourself? |
| 15:59.48 | maquis | i don't think i'd fly on a plane i built |
| 15:59.54 | elg | Jayce^: I'd rather waste my evenings and weekends on hacking |
| 16:00.00 | elg | or flying |
| 16:00.07 | elg | er, that was for tristanbob |
| 16:00.21 | elg | Jayce^: PPG could be fun, but I'd rather do good old fashioned hang gliding |
| 16:00.31 | elg | and that's something I might do someday too |
| 16:01.20 | tristanbob | elg: I've got the perfect solution! Hacking and Flying! http://www.flightgear.org/ |
| 16:01.27 | elg | yeah, that's what I do now. :) |
| 16:01.31 | Jayce^ | elg, from what I hear, PPG is a lot more fun than hang gliding.. more error proof |
| 16:01.51 | Jayce^ | and you can do powered, or non powered |
| 16:01.52 | tristanbob | Jayce^: more fun or more safe? shouldn't more safe be less fun? ;) |
| 16:02.21 | elg | call me nuts, but I'll take the face-down superman pose over the boring sitting pose anyday |
| 16:05.48 | elg | Jayce^: sounds to me like "more fun" in the sense that The Rocket is more fun than kayaking |
| 16:05.52 | elg | as in, not really |
| 16:09.02 | maquis | sea kayaking is cool |
| 16:09.16 | tristanbob | Here is a fun game for all you wanna-be rock-stars: http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/uv/fretsonfire/ |
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| 16:10.08 | elg | river kayaking is cooler :) |
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| 16:14.57 | maquis | elg: i've never been river-kayaking |
| 16:15.34 | Jayce^ | Ocean Kayaking is cooler :) |
| 16:15.36 | Jayce^ | surfing :) |
| 16:16.07 | elg | waves are so simplistic |
| 16:16.10 | elg | compared to rapids |
| 16:16.32 | elg | and you can 'surf' in the rapids too, but you don't have to wait for a good wave |
| 16:16.33 | Jayce^ | riptides, ocean shores... far from simplistic |
| 16:16.58 | Jayce^ | 19' kayak in 10' + waves is "stimulating" to say the least.. |
| 16:17.10 | maquis | riptides suck when you have a long day and you've been out of water since the night before... |
| 16:17.15 | Jayce^ | river kayaking is cool, but too many people discount what you can do in the ocean |
| 16:17.49 | maquis | anyway, in a river, you can't test yourself by cutting in front of a ferry |
| 16:17.51 | findlay | but would you want a kayak if you had a light saber? |
| 16:19.55 | Jayce^ | findlay, of course, get the pricks in the boats that won't give proper right of way |
| 16:20.30 | findlay | maquis: you should read "Three Men in a Boat" |
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| 16:20.48 | maquis | findlay: what's it about? |
| 16:20.54 | findlay | stuff |
| 16:20.58 | xbmodder | I got these weird eye spots |
| 16:20.59 | Keighvin | Nectarine time, comb your frog, wooo! |
| 16:21.12 | elg | exhilerating: http://www.questexpeditions.com/images/img_kayak-1.jpg http://www.americanwhitewater.org/photos/archive/6839.jpeg |
| 16:21.18 | findlay | mainly, like boating stuff |
| 16:21.29 | maquis | "uncommentify" <-- 0.o |
| 16:21.53 | elg | I don't doubt sea kayaking can be fun too, but from where I sit whitewater looks more fun |
| 16:21.53 | findlay | pretty much one of the coolest books ever |
| 16:22.01 | elg | I've never done either, though I have played in waves and do whitewater rafting |
| 16:22.21 | elg | I did take a kayaking class at BYU and went down the provo river, but that doesn't hardly count. it was fun though |
| 16:22.26 | Jayce^ | elg, http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ptone.com/Kayak/SCVideo2000/Still01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ptone.com/Kayak/SCVideo2000/&h=360&w=480&sz=57&hl=en&sig2=crSs9kjlWow92WChlvxNYg&start=3&tbnid=59aWKuhjLAm2lM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=129&ei=KaY3Rbn7JZLMJJu6gd0P&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsurf%2Bkayaking%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN |
| 16:23.18 | Jayce^ | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ptone.com/Kayak/SCVideo2000/Still01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ptone.com/Kayak/SCVideo2000/&h=360&w=480&sz=57&hl=en&sig2=crSs9kjlWow92WChlvxNYg&start=3&tbnid=59aWKuhjLAm2lM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=129&ei=KaY3Rbn7JZLMJJu6gd0P&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsurf%2Bkayaking%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN |
| 16:23.42 | elg | those are the same link :) |
| 16:23.55 | elg | looks like fun - just about like a nice big hole |
| 16:23.57 | Jayce^ | grr, darn google framing.. should be different ones |
| 16:24.00 | elg | which you can play in for hours on end |
| 16:24.11 | elg | if you have the strength |
| 16:24.34 | Jayce^ | elg, like a hole, but for a limited amount of time... larger changes than a hole.. based on wave cycles |
| 16:25.12 | Jayce^ | but yeah, it'll wear you out like a hole real quick |
| 16:25.16 | elg | that's the nice thing about kayaks, you don't need change to make things interesting |
| 16:25.21 | elg | unlike a raft |
| 16:26.26 | Jayce^ | raft == busses ; kayaks == sports car |
| 16:26.26 | elg | anyway, rivers are more accessible :-) |
| 16:26.36 | elg | kayak = motorcycle |
| 16:26.45 | Jayce^ | elg, here they are.... which is my problem.. |
| 16:26.54 | Jayce^ | growing up, both were accessible, but the ocean, more |
| 16:26.57 | elg | across the country they are |
| 16:26.59 | xbmodder | This can't be good, I can barely see out of my left eye. |
| 16:27.06 | elg | only on the coast is the ocean accessible |
| 16:27.27 | Jayce^ | when you're on the coast, you don't care about everywhere else :) |
| 16:27.37 | maquis | :) |
| 16:27.54 | elg | no doubt, but it doesn't change the veracity :) |
| 16:28.04 | maquis | just be careful around friday harbor. |
| 16:28.04 | mrpull- | xbmodder: they told you would go blind if you didn't stop |
| 16:28.18 | Jayce^ | san juans are fun for little stuff, but I like going out beyond civiliazation... |
| 16:28.25 | Jayce^ | broken group islands are really like |
| 16:28.27 | Jayce^ | pacific rim |
| 16:29.08 | xbmodder | mrpull-: -_- |
| 16:29.23 | xbmodder | mrpull-: Yay its coming back! |
| 16:29.31 | xbmodder | well |
| 16:29.37 | findlay | shouldn't that be p_- or something (like a patch) |
| 16:29.37 | xbmodder | its better |
| 16:29.48 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/jayce/Older/kayak_broken_group.jpeg |
| 16:30.11 | Keighvin | xbmodder: should probably get checked out by an optetrician anyway - don't want to be silently battling a detaching retina and all that. |
| 16:30.13 | xbmodder | I need some advil |
| 16:30.23 | xbmodder | Keighvin: It just started today |
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| 16:30.38 | Keighvin | Don't matter. |
| 16:31.00 | Keighvin | A retina can almost completely detach in a day even without any aggrevation or trauma. |
| 16:31.20 | xbmodder | Keighvin: I'm getting a headache. |
| 16:32.11 | xbmodder | Keighvin: How can I find out if its just a weird spot, something higher level (in the brain, like a migraine), or my retina falling a part. |
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| 16:33.37 | maquis | xbmodder: by going to see an opthalmologist |
| 16:33.56 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 16:34.15 | xbmodder | Well, at least I got PPO, so it won't take a week to get refferral |
| 16:34.18 | xbmodder | now to get out of class |
| 16:34.51 | Keighvin | Typically retinal detachment will start as darkness on one edge of vision that progresses. |
| 16:35.12 | Keighvin | However, spots and blurriness are not uncommon as a precurson (because fluid may have entered the eye). |
| 16:35.43 | Keighvin | The spots/blurriness stuff can also be an indication of other problems such as glaucoma due to an increase in pressure in the cavity. |
| 16:35.52 | xbmodder | It started on left side, and it slowly went to middle |
| 16:35.54 | xbmodder | then it stopped |
| 16:36.02 | xbmodder | and is recceeding slowly |
| 16:36.05 | xbmodder | to the left |
| 16:36.14 | xbmodder | but there is still a flash in the left side |
| 16:36.15 | Keighvin | Which just might mean that it's maintaining more contact. |
| 16:36.26 | Keighvin | Not something to mess with though, dude. |
| 16:36.28 | maquis | xbmodder: i'd get that checked out |
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| 16:36.51 | Keighvin | Aye - quite quickly. |
| 16:36.55 | Keighvin | ~clm harleypig |
| 16:36.57 | ibot | ACTION performs a Career Limiting Move on harleypig by enlisting them with the EVIL COMPANY. |
| 16:37.03 | Keighvin | ~evil company? |
| 16:37.04 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, evil company is Overstock.com |
| 16:37.05 | maquis | sco? |
| 16:37.24 | Keighvin | ibot: evil company is also sco |
| 16:37.25 | ibot | okay, Keighvin |
| 16:37.28 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 16:37.32 | maquis | ~evil company |
| 16:37.33 | ibot | hmm... evil company is Overstock.com, or sco |
| 16:37.36 | xbmodder | What do I tell the optomoligist to get a quick appointment? |
| 16:37.44 | maquis | xbmodder: explain the symptoms |
| 16:37.46 | Keighvin | Your symptoms. |
| 16:37.53 | elg | ~evil company is also Microsoft |
| 16:37.54 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 16:38.07 | maquis | why is overstock.com evil? |
| 16:38.12 | levi | xbmodder: A weird blurry spot in your eye is often the beginning of a migraine headache. |
| 16:38.12 | ^Migs^ | that's what I'm wondering |
| 16:38.39 | Keighvin | maquis: Looong story. |
| 16:38.48 | Keighvin | Almost 3 years, in my case. |
| 16:38.50 | elg | they sold harleypig a thong |
| 16:38.52 | xbmodder | levi: I've had migraines before, and this eye spot is more like a flashing |
| 16:39.01 | maquis | Keighvin: but... are they nearly as evil as sco? |
| 16:39.08 | xbmodder | It feels like everything in the left side of my eye is being censored |
| 16:39.34 | Keighvin | maquis: SCO is very nearly a joke in comparison - shifty, underhanded, and somewhat evil, yes, but they haven't actually destroyed livelihoods. |
| 16:39.58 | levi | xbmodder: Well, call the opthtalmologist up and explain the symptoms. If it's something they are worried about, they'll get you in quick. |
| 16:40.09 | Keighvin | Overstock, on the other hand... |
| 16:40.12 | maquis | Keighvin: interesting... i'd be interested in hearing your story sometime, if it makes sco less evil than overstock |
| 16:40.32 | Keighvin | Hey, whenever you're up for it. |
| 16:40.55 | maquis | if you don't want it on the channel, you can /msg... or you can send it here now.. either way |
| 16:41.18 | findlay | hey don't deprive the rest of us a good story |
| 16:41.36 | Keighvin | Well, there are some things I can't exactly risk getting back to the man. |
| 16:41.51 | Keighvin | Actually, no - if'n none of y'all work there, I'm OK. |
| 16:41.59 | maquis | i don't work there |
| 16:42.12 | Keighvin | It wouldn't be seen as violating the non-compete clause by encouraging you to leave. |
| 16:42.55 | Keighvin | There were warning signs from the beginning, but this was in November of 2003 and I really needed the paycheck (since the previous place was getting later and later in sending them, and having a family and all that good crap) |
| 16:44.13 | \me | question - what benefit does running 3 different apache modules under 3 different apache instances give you over just running them all under one? |
| 16:44.20 | \me | better parallel processing? |
| 16:44.31 | Keighvin | About 3 weeks after I started there, a former employee by the name of Jeffery Knight was offered a position with Sales.com |
| 16:44.32 | Jayce^ | better memory management of course |
| 16:44.50 | \me | so ideally it would run faster with more than one instance I take it |
| 16:44.52 | Keighvin | Which, being in the marketing sphere for retail products etc., might be seen as being somewhat in competition with OSTK. |
| 16:44.59 | \me | there's no way to manage memory in one apache instance? |
| 16:45.03 | maquis | Keighvin: ok... |
| 16:45.16 | Keighvin | This was early enough in the company's history though that they hadn't thought to have him sign a non-disclosure / non-compete agreement. |
| 16:45.26 | xbmodder | \me: you mean limit memory? |
| 16:45.29 | maquis | k |
| 16:45.37 | TheDruidXpawX | Yeah, I imagine that you'd get better security, stability, and parallel processing from running them on different servers, unless they cross communicate. |
| 16:45.41 | Jayce^ | jesse, it's just basic task management/memory management/optimzation with apache.. |
| 16:45.44 | Keighvin | He came to OSTK anyway and told them what was up with the offer from Sales.com, and that his involvement there would *not* be in competition. |
| 16:45.52 | Keighvin | Kind of a good-faith measure on his part. |
| 16:45.55 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:46.04 | Keighvin | OSTK turned around and threatened to sue Sales.com if they hired Jeffery. |
| 16:46.08 | Keighvin | Then decided that wasn't enough. |
| 16:46.10 | \me | Jayce^: explain? |
| 16:46.16 | maquis | uh oh |
| 16:46.25 | Keighvin | They fired his wife Rachelle, who was working as a software developer at the time. |
| 16:46.52 | Keighvin | Then sued them both for theft of company data - contriving evidence that they'd been scraping email addresses from the database via VPN from home machines. |
| 16:47.04 | maquis | ick |
| 16:47.27 | maquis | were they able to defend against that? |
| 16:47.31 | Jayce^ | jesse, the basic stuff you should do with mod_perl, applies to all other apache mods too... limit memory usage, optimize task based servers for their load, etc.. |
| 16:47.38 | Keighvin | Escorted out of the office by law enforcement, constables were already seizing their equipment at home. |
| 16:47.56 | Keighvin | OSTK made the affair very public in the beginning, significantly damaging their professional reputations. |
| 16:48.08 | \me | Jayce^: ah - so you're saying it *is* possible |
| 16:48.09 | Keighvin | But in the end weren't able to prove any of their allegations and settled out of court, on the quiet. |
| 16:48.11 | \me | that's what I thought |
| 16:48.38 | maquis | they should've made them settle in court loudly, although that would probably be expensive |
| 16:48.48 | \me | I was just trying to ensure what I was thinking was correct - might be easier to manage relying on one Apache instance vs. many |
| 16:48.49 | Jayce^ | jesse, it's always been best practice, just read the MP docs and it talks about it, applies to all realms of apache management (and really, most any large scaling application) |
| 16:48.55 | Keighvin | Wasn't just local news either, made USA Today. |
| 16:48.57 | xbmodder | I want to carve my Sinuses open. |
| 16:49.00 | maquis | but if they could get the court to make overstock pay their legal fees, it might've been worth it |
| 16:49.09 | Jayce^ | jesse, we did it some at OGF, definately do it here, and other places.. |
| 16:50.09 | xbmodder | Yes, its 95% away. |
| 16:50.09 | maquis | Keighvin: that is evil! |
| 16:50.09 | xbmodder | Time to call bluesheild |
| 16:50.09 | Keighvin | I'm pretty sure there was a counter-suit of some kind. |
| 16:50.09 | macnewbold | Keighvin: I agree with maquis |
| 16:50.10 | xbmodder | blueshield. |
| 16:50.10 | Keighvin | But I haven't delved deeply enough into the court records to find out the rest of the details. |
| 16:50.10 | macnewbold | countersuit would be a great thing - since they basically took their livelihood with false accusations, and intentional ones |
| 16:50.10 | maquis | if a company works hard to damage someone's reputation, that person shouldn't allow it to settle quietly out of court |
| 16:50.13 | macnewbold | yeah, make it noisy |
| 16:50.15 | Keighvin | Hey, I'm with you; |
| 16:50.22 | \me | Jayce^: meaning multiple apache instances or managing memory in mp? |
| 16:50.34 | Keighvin | I wasn't privy to all the details on it until a couple years in, unfortunately. |
| 16:50.42 | Keighvin | Because of that whole "swept under the rug" thing. |
| 16:50.52 | maquis | that's pretty sucky |
| 16:51.35 | Keighvin | Most of the rest of evil is either hearsay (which I've got some really really juicy bits of) or just the fact that they're a penny-pinching self-serving monster willing to trample the earnest efforts of their employees to turn a quick nickel. |
| 16:51.37 | \me | heh - Keighvin ended his statement with a ; |
| 16:51.48 | Keighvin | \me: Yeah. Habing. |
| 16:51.58 | Keighvin | Habit, even. Sheesh, where did that ng come from? |
| 16:52.08 | Keighvin | I also end up with :wq! in a lot of my documents. |
| 16:52.08 | maquis | lol |
| 16:52.23 | TheDruidXpawX | :wq! |
| 16:52.39 | maquis | i had a teacher at school once ask why :w was scattered throughout a paper |
| 16:52.41 | \me | heh - I'm going to throw that in my e-mail signatures I think |
| 16:52.55 | TheDruidXpawX | If they could show damage to their reputation, they could probably get a non-trivial amount of cash |
| 16:53.06 | maquis | that was my sign that i needed to switch to latex |
| 16:53.07 | Keighvin | Totally. |
| 16:53.34 | findlay | ughghgh |
| 16:53.41 | findlay | ~despise word processors |
| 16:53.50 | Keighvin | Kind of abstract, since this was originally drafted with the express intent of hiding the identity of the authors: http://paultomlinson.net/bs.do;ksiv/why.html |
| 16:54.21 | Keighvin | But does give a little bit of insight into the work ethic of the corporate culture and separations between the executive elite and the little people. |
| 16:54.32 | xbmodder | Bye, Keighvin, levi, and maquis: Thanks for advice |
| 16:54.40 | maquis | xbmodder: good luck |
| 16:54.40 | Keighvin | Good luck. |
| 16:54.41 | levi | xbmodder: Good luck. |
| 16:54.51 | elg | let us know if you go blind |
| 16:54.59 | Keighvin | Even if it's only in one eye. |
| 16:55.37 | Keighvin | The last bit of public nastiness they did was the Executive Bonus: in 2005 they cut health care coverage significantly, causing a 60% increase across the board in employee costs. |
| 16:56.21 | Keighvin | 2005 ended up being quite the bummer, and had some public IT fiasco's based on the poor planning of the addict-CTO who wanted to blow off the whole massive rearchitecture project so he could go clubbing in Spain. |
| 16:56.22 | findlay | and hack optomotrist's IIS server to serve up torrents of bad nsink recordings if they don't help you |
| 16:56.46 | Keighvin | So performance was absolutely miserable for the year, growth was way off target, and customer satisfaction plummeted. |
| 16:56.52 | maquis | sure, they've got some questionable patents, but at least they're nice to employees |
| 16:57.00 | TheDruidXpawX | heh |
| 16:57.20 | Keighvin | All during this, they'd been promising some of the key IT engineers (specifically NOC) which had been hired under 2002 wages that they would finally see some raises and compensation. |
| 16:57.28 | Keighvin | Since the market was once again becoming competitive. |
| 16:57.51 | \me | I hate liar employers |
| 16:58.00 | Keighvin | Their most senior (in terms of time, and close expertise with all these customer systems) person in the NOC received a whopping: $2500 bonus, and $2500 raise. |
| 16:58.12 | TheDruidXpawX | So it sounds like OSTK isn't the place to get a job. |
| 16:58.17 | Keighvin | Still putting them well under the junior employees that were being hired on under the new market conditions. |
| 16:58.45 | Keighvin | Then the executives announed that they were giving themselves each $250,000, plus an additional equal amount in slow-vesting stock grants. |
| 16:58.50 | \me | I mean if you're going to be stingy and all, at least admit it - don't lie to your employees about it |
| 16:59.04 | Keighvin | All told about $3MM to divide amongst 6 people. |
| 16:59.11 | maquis | yipes |
| 16:59.16 | findlay | heh |
| 16:59.52 | Keighvin | While the employees were shafted, the company performance tanked, and the dollar figures on the bonus matched almost exactly what was "saved" by raising employee healthcare costs. |
| 17:00.01 | \me | anyone know how close Mozy is to having a Mac client? |
| 17:00.16 | findlay | ~perl++ |
| 17:00.37 | Keighvin | I had a really good stint there for a while - made Director, assembled a great team, and made massive strides to improving a legacy system which had outgrown itself. |
| 17:00.37 | \me | ibot should know that one |
| 17:01.03 | Keighvin | Before they brought in the VP FROM !@#$!& who drove everything into the ground with impressive mass and velocity. |
| 17:01.14 | Keighvin | >50% attrition in development staff over 4 months. |
| 17:02.11 | Keighvin | And all the well-laid long-term plans for stabilizing infrastructure were thrown right out the window in order to be a yes-man and give the impression to the Beautiful People in the company that he could solve all their problems. |
| 17:02.29 | Keighvin | Cost a fortune, took way longer than it was supposed to, and put them behind where their previous technology had been. |
| 17:03.04 | Keighvin | Eventually he was fired, and then re-hired into a lesser position (which had originally been the intent, actually, until he talked himself up) in a contract on the side under a $2MM contract with 2 other people. |
| 17:03.27 | Keighvin | 6 months after which they fired him again (still with massive severence, again) because he wasn't competent there either. |
| 17:03.55 | Keighvin | OSTK refuses to put a drug policy into place because it would represent an embarrassment for too many key figures (quote from HR). |
| 17:04.26 | Keighvin | Which is why they can't let customer service reps go when they come in obviously doping, because doing so would set a precedent that the rest of the company couldn't maintain. |
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| 17:05.06 | maquis | yipes |
| 17:05.17 | graphyx | ouch.... |
| 17:05.23 | Keighvin | And lastly: When the VP FROM !@#$!& was found to be using cocaine, it was reported to the new-CTO (after the previous one went quietly into the shadows), his direct boss. |
| 17:05.41 | Keighvin | To which he responded with a look of mild concern, "Well... I thought he was just doing a little speed." |
| 17:05.41 | graphyx | Do they still outsource their call center to Sento? |
| 17:05.52 | Keighvin | As though there were some appropriate level of abuse. |
| 17:06.25 | Keighvin | Some to Sento, but a lot more of it to India now. |
| 17:06.44 | Keighvin | They also tried to "save costs" by doing that with development at times, outsourcing to both Russia and India. |
| 17:06.55 | \me | I hear Overstock's one step below Backcountry |
| 17:07.05 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?700435 |
| 17:07.10 | \me | Backcountry at least was nice about things and had a cool architecture |
| 17:07.22 | \me | they just lied to employees about compensation is all |
| 17:07.23 | graphyx | Keighvin: The person who started the contract ended up with a 7K bonus for that year. |
| 17:07.28 | elg | hehe |
| 17:07.30 | Keighvin | Cost overhead in communications and delays made it NOT feasible, especially because they never gave it the necessary attention and expected fire-and-forget to work on something that required intimate knowledge of internal systems and processes. |
| 17:07.45 | \me | Forbes even had an article on them talking about how stingy with money they were |
| 17:08.54 | \me | btw, if you're a C developer and want a job we're hiring at United Health Group |
| 17:09.04 | \me | perl and php are a plus |
| 17:09.23 | \me | at least for now it's Linux on the desktop - that may change soon though |
| 17:09.42 | \me | we pay well too :-) |
| 17:12.05 | synic | define "pay well" |
| 17:12.41 | graphyx | more than overstock. |
| 17:12.45 | \me | industry wages, great insurance (we're an insurance company - cost me $0 for the emergency room), lots of money for training, etc |
| 17:12.55 | \me | and what graphyx said |
| 17:13.01 | \me | more than backcountry |
| 17:14.19 | \me | you could probably get between $70-90k depending on experience |
| 17:15.58 | \me | plus you get to help improve health care |
| 17:16.50 | elg | ha. improve health care? |
| 17:17.16 | \me | basically, if you can explain to our recruiter why you're worth what you want there's a good chance you'll get it (my guess at least) |
| 17:17.25 | \me | elg: no where to move but up ;-) |
| 17:18.18 | elg | will they buy me a plane and let me finish my PhD on company time? |
| 17:18.19 | \me | but the division I'm in is writing technology that will allow providers to charge much less because they won't have to worry as much about tracking claims manually as most of them do now |
| 17:18.50 | elg | that's a good start. but will they actually charge less, or just pad the profits? |
| 17:18.59 | \me | elg: not sure about the plane thing - doubt the PhD thing. What company do you work for that does that? I want to work there. :-) |
| 17:19.12 | elg | none, but I'm not in the market |
| 17:19.12 | \me | elg: ask your provider |
| 17:19.35 | elg | If a company offered that I might consider it anyway though. :) |
| 17:19.49 | \me | elg: sorry, but let me know if you find someone that does |
| 17:19.51 | levi | elg: Speaking of insurance, do you have a health insurance policy through your school? |
| 17:20.09 | elg | sort of |
| 17:20.11 | \me | we do reimburse for education though |
| 17:20.24 | elg | when I was working as a TA, I got insurance for like $20/mo |
| 17:20.29 | \me | they went to OSCON on company pay last year |
| 17:20.31 | elg | but not my family |
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| 17:20.43 | elg | now with the GAANN fellowship I'm not on the TA payroll so I don't get that |
| 17:20.49 | elg | but I can get insurance through them |
| 17:20.53 | elg | it's just the normal cost |
| 17:21.00 | \me | I went to Ft. Lauderdale, FL last week |
| 17:21.52 | elg | which I factored into the equation when accepting the fellowship, it was still a better deal |
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| 17:24.05 | blargfooblarg | hmm goozbach is still here |
| 17:24.19 | macnewbold | ^Migs^: nice url, that's great |
| 17:24.21 | maquis | ~lart blargfooblarg |
| 17:24.36 | blargfooblarg | ? |
| 17:25.28 | blargfooblarg | how!? |
| 17:25.41 | maquis | ?? |
| 17:25.50 | elg | i guess he was being rm -rf'd |
| 17:26.00 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 17:29.36 | graphyx | elg: \me: The NSA will pay for schooling. |
| 17:29.38 | macnewbold | http://bash.org/?127148 |
| 17:29.55 | elg | will they buy me a plane? |
| 17:30.03 | elg | lots of places will pay for schooling |
| 17:30.09 | goozbach | elg 17995 |
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| 17:30.21 | goozbach | that's what I was refering to |
| 17:30.23 | graphyx | elg: I thought you were asking about the schooling part. |
| 17:30.37 | elg | goozbach: ok, I'm confused |
| 17:30.39 | graphyx | elg: An airline might work with you on the plane aspect... Perhaps |
| 17:30.40 | levi | elg: If you become a high-powered executive, you could probably get a company to buy you a plane. |
| 17:30.50 | elg | 179,995 is what i meant to type |
| 17:30.59 | elg | i don't want to be a high-powered executive |
| 17:31.10 | graphyx | What about a high flying executive? |
| 17:31.11 | Keighvin | ~lart high powered executives |
| 17:31.13 | levi | elg: I kind of figured you didn't. |
| 17:31.26 | elg | i'd rather be a pilot flying high powered execs around the country |
| 17:31.38 | graphyx | so what are you getting your phd in? |
| 17:31.40 | graphyx | and why? |
| 17:31.51 | elg | and i'd rather be what I'm planning on being than that |
| 17:31.57 | goozbach | elg: I WAS making fun of your typo |
| 17:32.04 | goozbach | I know that planes cost more than that |
| 17:32.18 | goozbach | I was stating that 18k is a decent price for a good car |
| 17:32.22 | graphyx | The funny thing about pilots is the whole thing about you are usually a teacher to other pilots before you actually fly other non pilots around.. |
| 17:32.36 | graphyx | goozbach: But you can get a decent car for 180K$ as well... |
| 17:33.57 | goozbach | graphyx: 180k for a car is far beyond 'decent' for me |
| 17:34.25 | elg | more like an indecent car |
| 17:34.31 | findlay | heh |
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| 17:38.29 | graphyx | goozbach: Of course it is, but I have a decent car and if you wanted to pay me $180K for it. I wouldn't turn you down. |
| 17:39.47 | findlay | I always knew there would come a day when I wished vim's ex re's were perl5 compatible re's |
| 17:39.50 | findlay | today is that day |
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| 17:40.52 | elg | and tomorrow is the day after that day |
| 17:41.09 | findlay | man, just think about that |
| 17:41.14 | findlay | unbelieveable |
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| 17:41.34 | elg | so did you go blind? |
| 17:42.43 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Dvorak's 8th symphony |
| 17:46.13 | levi | elg: It was xbmodder that was going blind. |
| 17:48.31 | findlay | but little does elg know that xbmodder has a peculiar penchant for Dvorak |
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| 17:51.40 | goozbach | CRISCO! |
| 17:51.41 | elg | good riddance. that know-it-all chef just cooks my goose |
| 17:51.45 | elg | er, um, wb redbeard1 |
| 17:51.59 | goozbach | poly and mono unsaturated/saturated fats |
| 17:52.08 | goozbach | and grease |
| 17:52.11 | elg | now with butter flavor! |
| 17:52.32 | maquis | ~eat redbeard1 |
| 17:52.34 | ibot | ACTION eats redbeard1 and falls over dead |
| 17:52.35 | redbeard1 | ~whaleparry elg |
| 17:52.36 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry elg's attacks. |
| 17:52.48 | goozbach | ohh speaking of butter flavor, I made some awesome cookies the other day |
| 17:52.49 | maquis | lol! |
| 17:52.55 | elg | oh no, edwardo! |
| 17:53.06 | goozbach | yay for goozbach's grandma's recipies |
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| 17:54.26 | redbeard1 | oh man. i keep meaning to make more chocolate chip cookies. |
| 17:55.47 | redbeard1 | i think i'll make some tonight, and then make a point of not sharing with elg |
| 17:55.54 | maquis | how much memory does eclipse need? |
| 17:56.30 | maquis | and, is there a good command to figure out who's using all the memory on my system |
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| 17:57.52 | goozbach | maquis: top |
| 17:58.03 | spr_ | maquis, then press '>' |
| 17:58.03 | goozbach | or # who's using all my memory. |
| 17:58.13 | goozbach | s/./?/ |
| 17:58.29 | goozbach | ~forkbomb maquis |
| 17:58.41 | maquis | spr_: > says that it's an unknown command |
| 17:58.58 | spr_ | maquis, is this linux? |
| 17:59.10 | maquis | spr_: yeah |
| 17:59.26 | spr_ | I've got procps version 3.2.7 and '>' switches the columns it's sorting by |
| 17:59.53 | maquis | procps? |
| 18:00.09 | spr_ | it's the package, do top -v |
| 18:00.18 | findlay | what's the comment character for sql? |
| 18:00.27 | redbeard1 | findlay: i believe it's # |
| 18:00.31 | maquis | yeah... this isn't quite that new |
| 18:00.39 | redbeard1 | at least, in mysql i think it is |
| 18:00.59 | spr_ | maquis, do an 'h' and it should give you the handy help page |
| 18:01.44 | maquis | age, pid and cpu usage arethe options for sorting |
| 18:03.02 | TheDruidXpawX | I've got my eclipse set up to 512m, but I've got a rather large amount of source. 256 ought to do fine, 128 might be a bit small <shrug> |
| 18:03.41 | ggundy | PostgreSQL = -- |
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| 18:07.10 | redbeard1 | ~lart amcnabb |
| 18:07.38 | amcnabb | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 18:09.30 | calvarez | ~lart ibot |
| 18:09.34 | calvarez | haha |
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| 18:12.05 | findlay | heh |
| 18:12.11 | findlay | ~rot13 GvzEvxre |
| 18:12.11 | ibot | TimRiker |
| 18:12.15 | findlay | (: |
| 18:12.25 | bonez39 | I think my /etc/hosts is not set up right...I have another machine on my LAN named 'seth'... my /etc/hosts file contains this line '10.0.0.6 seth |
| 18:12.34 | TimRiker | :) |
| 18:12.38 | findlay | we know your secretive ways TimRiker, (-: |
| 18:12.55 | TimRiker | ~rot13 Oh No! you found me out! |
| 18:12.55 | ibot | Bu Ab! lbh sbhaq zr bhg! |
| 18:13.09 | bonez39 | yet, if i 'ping seth' I get some odd IP that I am unfamiliar with........any suggestion on why I can't ping this machine on my LAN, and thus why I can't mount the C: drive on it too? |
| 18:14.50 | graphyx | bonez39: so you try to ping seth and you don't get the hosts entry for it? |
| 18:14.56 | redbeard1 | ~rot47 TimRiker |
| 18:14.56 | ibot | OdhMdfzm |
| 18:14.58 | graphyx | what happens when you nslookup it? |
| 18:15.07 | graphyx | ~rot1 12 |
| 18:15.07 | ibot | 12 |
| 18:15.12 | graphyx | ~rot2 12 |
| 18:15.12 | ibot | 12 |
| 18:15.18 | findlay | ~rot1024 duh |
| 18:15.18 | ibot | ner |
| 18:15.19 | graphyx | ibot, can't you rot numbers? |
| 18:15.31 | redbeard1 | ~rot 10 ibot |
| 18:15.31 | ibot | 10 ibot |
| 18:15.31 | redbeard1 | ~rot10 ibot |
| 18:15.31 | ibot | slyd |
| 18:15.33 | maquis | ~rot5 redbeard1 |
| 18:15.33 | ibot | wjigjfwi1 |
| 18:15.33 | graphyx | redbeard1: He isn't rotten!!! |
| 18:15.48 | bonez39 | graphyx, right, it shows instead....this > 64 bytes from seth.com (64.34.106.128): icmp_seq=9 ttl=49 time=69.7 ms |
| 18:15.56 | bonez39 | to that site ... seth.com |
| 18:16.05 | graphyx | hmmm.... |
| 18:16.15 | graphyx | so it is basically ignoring your hosts file. |
| 18:16.21 | graphyx | Have you put other hosts in there? |
| 18:16.22 | graphyx | DO they work? |
| 18:16.45 | graphyx | How do you have your resolv.conf configured? |
| 18:16.46 | bonez39 | yeah....no other hosts in there.....let me paste it to pastebin |
| 18:17.15 | graphyx | try adding another host. |
| 18:17.20 | graphyx | And see what occurs for that one. |
| 18:17.32 | graphyx | something gibberish... asdfjlkrewal or such. |
| 18:20.45 | elg | ~rot13 asweoqiqgaskg |
| 18:20.45 | ibot | nfjrbdvdtnfxt |
| 18:21.51 | goozbach | I use double-rot13 encoding on all my text |
| 18:22.05 | goozbach | ~2rot13 goozbach |
| 18:22.21 | graphyx | goozbach: oh yeah? mine is twice as good. I do rot26 on ALL of my papers.. |
| 18:22.46 | graphyx | s/rot26/double rot26/ |
| 18:23.10 | graphyx | ~say ~rot13 hi |
| 18:23.12 | ibot | ~rot13 hi |
| 18:23.25 | graphyx | ~say ibot, rot13 hi |
| 18:23.27 | ibot | ibot, rot13 hi |
| 18:23.39 | graphyx | I guess ibot doesn't talk to himself. |
| 18:23.53 | bonez39 | graphyx, well, not pastebin doesn't seem to want to post my file....it's just taking forever. |
| 18:24.11 | graphyx | pastebin.org hasn't seemed to be working in a long time. I always have had to find another site. |
| 18:24.17 | graphyx | I can't recall which one, I just find it anew each time |
| 18:24.23 | graphyx | I gtg shortly anyways... |
| 18:25.20 | bonez39 | I posted to a /query |
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| 18:27.34 | goozbach | ~lart redbeard1 for not releasing his sourcecode to the public |
| 18:27.43 | goozbach | let's see this script |
| 18:27.49 | graphyx | solution: put the ipv4 address in the hosts file above the ipv6 section. |
| 18:28.04 | redbeard1 | ~lart goozbach for being pushy |
| 18:29.02 | Keighvin | Back. |
| 18:29.12 | Keighvin | findlay: comment character for SQL is -- |
| 18:29.37 | *** part/#utah bonez39 (n=bonez@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 18:30.52 | findlay | better than HTML |
| 18:31.15 | findlay | you might as well tell the renderer: "The following text is a comment" |
| 18:35.03 | Keighvin | I don't get it. |
| 18:36.46 | findlay | that's because I was being obscure on purpose |
| 18:37.08 | findlay | just because HTML's commenting scheme is painful |
| 18:37.36 | redbeard1 | i get the most interesting search terms in my stats sometimes |
| 18:37.38 | redbeard1 | "women made of jello" |
| 18:38.39 | levi | Mmmm, women made of jello. |
| 18:39.12 | redbeard1 | indeed |
| 18:39.40 | ggundy | findlay: that's what I said. |
| 18:40.39 | findlay | yes |
| 18:41.08 | findlay | btw, how would I dump to the screen all the entries in a table with psql? |
| 18:41.15 | ggundy | d'oh! I need to get back to work. It was Keighvin who comment to you, *not* you. |
| 18:42.14 | redbeard1 | findlay: select * from table |
| 18:42.21 | redbeard1 | maybe? |
| 18:43.01 | findlay | woah, you don't mean I actually have to type ... SQL? |
| 18:43.06 | ggundy | From the command line: psql -d data_base -c "SELECT * FROM table;" |
| 18:44.15 | findlay | today is also the day of my first SQL query |
| 18:44.45 | redbeard1 | aha! |
| 18:44.51 | redbeard1 | so the truth comes out! |
| 18:45.33 | ggundy | or from inside psql: |
| 18:45.35 | ggundy | \o |
| 18:45.58 | ggundy | SELECT * FROM table; |
| 18:45.58 | ggundy | \q |
| 18:46.05 | ggundy | cat file.txt |
| 18:46.34 | ggundy | well that should have been: "\o file.txt" |
| 18:47.47 | ggundy | I better get back to work you've seen that I can't do two things at once... |
| 18:48.51 | ggundy | before I go, I need a break from my life. I think I'm going to hack on the UTOSP tonight for a little change. Any ideas on what I might change/add? |
| 18:49.57 | findlay | animated gifs |
| 18:50.16 | findlay | #0000ff background color |
| 18:50.27 | redbeard1 | blinking text! |
| 18:51.58 | redbeard1 | seriously, maybe a form to submit a new site? |
| 18:52.10 | redbeard1 | rather than email instructions? |
| 18:53.01 | ggundy | Sounds like a good idea since nobody can follow instructions. |
| 18:53.05 | ggundy | ;) |
| 18:53.23 | amcnabb | We have some Debian people around here, right? |
| 18:53.40 | levi | FSVO 'Debian people' |
| 18:53.50 | redbeard1 | if by debian you mean ubuntu (which is based on debian), then there's me |
| 18:54.03 | ggundy | No really, I get excited when someone does it "just so." |
| 18:54.04 | amcnabb | We just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and apache broke. I'm trying to track it down. |
| 18:54.23 | amcnabb | Basically, UserDir stopped working--stuff like ~amcnabb now gives a 404. |
| 18:54.24 | emcnabb | so, I went to the Duke hospital and had an appointment with a genetics doctor |
| 18:54.27 | levi | In what way did it break? |
| 18:54.31 | emcnabb | I have type 2 EDS |
| 18:54.43 | amcnabb | emcnabb should have joined the circus. |
| 18:54.44 | emcnabb | i.e. I'm officially a circus freak |
| 18:54.47 | levi | EDS? |
| 18:54.47 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:55.00 | findlay | emcnabb: is that a cert? |
| 18:55.10 | emcnabb | Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome |
| 18:55.14 | Keighvin | amcnabb: sounds like problems in the UserDir settings of a conf. |
| 18:55.14 | findlay | was it hard? |
| 18:55.18 | findlay | was it expensive? |
| 18:55.18 | emcnabb | http://www.ehlers-danlos.org/ |
| 18:55.30 | amcnabb | Keighvin, that's what I thought, but nothing seems to have changed. |
| 18:56.00 | emcnabb | not sure; insurance paid for it. There are some types of EDS that are very bad. They wanted to make sure our children weren't going to have a bad type |
| 18:56.02 | amcnabb | emcnabb, they have a picture of your hand on that page. :) |
| 18:56.12 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: so basically, you're falling apart |
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| 18:56.28 | emcnabb | redbeard1: I'm falling apart but still in one piece |
| 18:56.43 | Keighvin | emcnabb: which type? |
| 18:56.52 | emcnabb | i.e. I have mega flexible joints and skin |
| 18:57.01 | emcnabb | type? |
| 18:57.02 | Keighvin | amcnabb: Is it still reading the correct conf files? |
| 18:57.17 | Keighvin | emcnabb: There are 6 sub-types of Ehlers-Danlos. |
| 18:57.21 | emcnabb | type 2 |
| 18:57.22 | ggundy | Don't settle for anything less then Type 1 |
| 18:57.23 | redbeard1 | i'd like to take this moment to dedicate track 3 on Faith No More's The Real Thing album to emcnabb |
| 18:57.27 | amcnabb | Keighvin, as far as I can tell. Everything else is working, including subversion, the main web page, etc. |
| 18:57.58 | Keighvin | What's showing up in /var/log/httpd.errors or whatever? |
| 18:58.00 | emcnabb | redbeard1: awwww |
| 18:58.08 | Keighvin | Is it showing a not-found there, or what? |
| 18:58.32 | Keighvin | It's likely that permissions may be slightly more restrictive as for as what may or may not be served in a user's tree. |
| 18:58.45 | Keighvin | Meaning /home/*/public_html needs a different set of permissions, possibly. |
| 18:58.46 | amcnabb | Keighvin: it's saying it can't find "~amcnabb" in the www root. |
| 18:59.22 | Keighvin | Then the UserDir setting is void or ignored. |
| 18:59.29 | amcnabb | That's what I can't figure out. :) |
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| 19:00.03 | Keighvin | Possible culprits: Bad/missing/different conf, changed conf parameters that need to be refactored, permissions, missing modules in the build. |
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| 19:01.53 | amcnabb | I've looked a lot at "Bad/missing/different conf" and haven't seen anything that stands out. |
| 19:02.25 | Keighvin | I've got to watch a kid while the wife runs errands. |
| 19:02.27 | Keighvin | bbiab. |
| 19:02.57 | amcnabb | We still have /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_userdir.so |
| 19:06.39 | goozbach | aygabtg |
| 19:07.11 | goozbach | ~aygabtg |
| 19:07.13 | ibot | rumour has it, aygabtg is "all your goat are belong to goozbach" |
| 19:07.20 | redbeard1 | ~rot1138 goozbach |
| 19:07.20 | ibot | aiitvuwb |
| 19:07.27 | redbeard1 | close |
| 19:12.23 | findlay | ~rot1234567890 close |
| 19:12.23 | ibot | mvyco |
| 19:12.47 | amcnabb | Apache problems are solved! |
| 19:12.56 | amcnabb | It turns out there are two problems. |
| 19:13.16 | findlay | ~problemulgate amcnabb |
| 19:13.35 | amcnabb | When you have a lot of packages to upgrade, Debian shuts down a bunch of services, and then it brings them all up at the end. |
| 19:13.53 | amcnabb | slapd was shut down and wasn't brought up until after apache was restarted. |
| 19:14.14 | amcnabb | Apache was remembering some home directory lookup failures. |
| 19:14.33 | amcnabb | The other problem is that they removed index.htm from DirectoryIndex, which I think is moronic. |
| 19:18.54 | redbeard1 | amcnabb: if you run Apache::Gallery, you don't have to worry about things like DirectoryIndex, since you have to disable it anyway |
| 19:19.16 | amcnabb | I don't think I've ever heard of Apache::Gallery. |
| 19:19.39 | redbeard1 | if you'd read my post from a couple of hours ago like goozbach did, then you would have |
| 19:20.09 | redbeard1 | i was complaining about having to disable DirectoryIndex |
| 19:20.32 | findlay | you could always handle it with a perl script or something |
| 19:21.02 | redbeard1 | hey, yeah |
| 19:21.23 | redbeard1 | ~perl |
| 19:21.32 | ibot | it has been said that perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 19:21.49 | findlay | I bet there's a nice module for it (: |
| 19:23.35 | redbeard1 | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 19:23.35 | redbeard1 | open INDEX, "<index.html"; |
| 19:23.35 | redbeard1 | print "Content-type:text/html\n\n" . join('', <INDEX>); |
| 19:23.35 | redbeard1 | close INDEX; |
| 19:24.21 | redbeard1 | wait, maybe i was thinking of a different directive. |
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| 19:28.14 | spr_ | ~whaleslap redbeard1 |
| 19:28.16 | ibot | ACTION beats redbeard1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 19:28.28 | redbeard1 | ~lart spr for flooding my inbox |
| 19:33.18 | levi | ~lart threads |
| 19:35.04 | findlay | ~threat larts |
| 19:35.10 | findlay | s/t/d/ |
| 19:35.18 | findlay | whatever |
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| 20:15.24 | findlay | detatchment |
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| 20:25.09 | maquis | emcnabb: isn't it almost over for you? |
| 20:26.10 | emcnabb | in an hour or so |
| 20:26.16 | maquis | fun |
| 20:26.26 | maquis | what time do you start in the morning? |
| 20:26.46 | emcnabb | 5 am |
| 20:26.56 | emcnabb | work, at 9 or so |
| 20:27.05 | emcnabb | usually I do some before I leave for work |
| 20:27.05 | maquis | ah... that sounds more reasonable... |
| 20:27.55 | emcnabb | wake up at 5am, get back from seminary around 7am, do misc work stuff and other morning prep, get to work around 9am, leave about 5:30pm |
| 20:28.24 | maquis | fun |
| 20:28.27 | maquis | how's your seminary class? |
| 20:29.04 | emcnabb | going well |
| 20:38.55 | goozbach | ha ha seminary teacher |
| 20:42.05 | levi | My ward is getting a new bishop soon. Fortunately, no one in their right mind would think of me as a potential candidate. A bunch of guys my age got interviewed by the Stake, though. |
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| 20:45.01 | ^Migs^ | the key is to be a social outcast |
| 20:45.14 | ^Migs^ | that way, no one at church gives you a calling like that |
| 20:45.22 | elg | and a beard |
| 20:45.26 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that helps too |
| 20:45.28 | elg | that's esp. helpful in utah |
| 20:45.50 | elg | down here, not so much. one guy kept his goatee right through bishopdom of the university ward |
| 20:45.54 | ^Migs^ | and it's funny, cuz only 100 years ago beards were essential to being a church leader |
| 20:46.10 | elg | and our first counselor usually has a beard |
| 20:46.13 | levi | ^Migs^: One has got to follow the fashions. |
| 20:46.13 | ^Migs^ | the bushier the better |
| 20:46.17 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 20:46.38 | levi | We're just ~50 years behind the times, due to the age of our leaders. :P |
| 20:46.38 | ^Migs^ | I also haven't worn a tie in years |
| 20:46.57 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:47.09 | \me | levi: if it takes awhile for them to call the new one, you know you're in for it ;-) |
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| 20:47.23 | Mister_Ed | keep a beer inthe fridge fer when home teachers come knockin, mow lawn on sunday with shirt off. those work best for non-calling initiatives |
| 20:47.35 | \me | I'm trying to find a way out of being WML - haven't figured it out yet |
| 20:47.47 | goozbach | I'll stick with my calling |
| 20:47.52 | levi | I want to stop being Sunday School Pres. |
| 20:48.01 | goozbach | Marriage and Family Relations sunday school teacher |
| 20:48.03 | \me | I think a WML on the edge has its advantage with the non-members |
| 20:48.16 | \me | well, one that looks on the edge at least |
| 20:48.20 | redbeard1 | levi: i used to be that. it sucked. |
| 20:48.33 | \me | levi: that one's easy - you get to skip Sunday School! |
| 20:48.37 | \me | and ring the bell! |
| 20:48.46 | levi | redbeard1: If there's one thing I hate, it's trying to make people do things they don't really want to do. |
| 20:48.59 | \me | it sucks when teachers don't show up though |
| 20:49.09 | levi | And few people remain really excited about teaching Sunday School. |
| 20:49.11 | \me | but at least you get to ring the bell |
| 20:49.17 | levi | I don't even ring the bell. |
| 20:49.28 | \me | levi: oh, that *would* suck then ;-) |
| 20:49.36 | \me | that was my favorite part of being SS pres |
| 20:49.53 | redbeard1 | i hated having to sub for teachers that would fail to show up, or only give me a few hours notice |
| 20:50.06 | levi | redbeard1: I had to do that a lot for a while. |
| 20:50.10 | \me | waiting for someone to walk right by the bell, then RING RIIING |
| 20:50.24 | goozbach | http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/tt/ |
| 20:50.25 | \me | yeah - I did my share of that |
| 20:50.33 | \me | now I'm doing that for my Ward Missionaries |
| 20:50.36 | levi | I actually kind of like teaching occasionally. |
| 20:50.44 | \me | I'd rather teach personally |
| 20:50.49 | \me | organizing it all sucks |
| 20:51.03 | levi | Yes; I would by far prefer to teach than to organize. |
| 20:51.33 | levi | The sunday school organization under me is almost as bad as it was under the previous president. |
| 20:51.48 | \me | Sunbeams was the best - no pressure at all |
| 20:52.00 | emcnabb | I've come to the conclusion that early morning seminary is one of the hardest callings in the church. I probably spend 2.5 hrs / day on it |
| 20:52.08 | emcnabb | sunbeams rock |
| 20:52.13 | levi | emcnabb: I don't doubt it. |
| 20:52.14 | emcnabb | that was my previous calling :-) |
| 20:52.16 | \me | I think I'd really like nursery too |
| 20:52.20 | maquis | emcnabb: yup... my mom was a seminary teacher for 2 years |
| 20:52.34 | maquis | she spent a lot more time than that, though |
| 20:52.35 | \me | the smiles on those kids faces makes it all worth it (when they're smiling) |
| 20:52.37 | emcnabb | \me: nursery was too much chaos for me |
| 20:52.53 | emcnabb | by sunbeams they're starting to learn how to stay still |
| 20:52.55 | \me | emcnabb: you volunteer for early-morning seminary? |
| 20:53.09 | emcnabb | but playing with toys during church was definately fun |
| 20:53.10 | \me | emcnabb: yeah - maybe I don't want nursery |
| 20:53.13 | emcnabb | \me: no |
| 20:53.25 | \me | yes, and snack time, too :-) |
| 20:53.39 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 20:53.43 | \me | I think I would implement a nap time if it was possible |
| 20:54.03 | emcnabb | maquis: yeah, I've spent up to 3 1/2, but that's just too much |
| 20:54.04 | levi | I am seriously tempted to decline any presidency callings in the future. I suck at them, and they bring me nothing but grief. |
| 20:54.04 | \me | I'd have all the Elders fighting to volunteer for nursery |
| 20:54.24 | maquis | emcnabb: yeah... my mom didn't have to deal with a job on top of it |
| 20:54.26 | \me | levi: I keep saying that, but for some reason I keep saying yes when the time comes |
| 20:54.52 | levi | \me: It's the brainwashing. ;P |
| 20:55.08 | \me | I think so - must be |
| 20:55.08 | emcnabb | basically I spend: 20 minutes travel / day, 15 minutes getting there early / leaving late, 50 minutes / class, 1hr prep time |
| 20:55.38 | \me | emcnabb: my hats off to you if you teach ems |
| 20:55.44 | emcnabb | but tomorrow is scripture mastery so no lesson! |
| 20:55.47 | \me | that would be a tough responsibility |
| 20:55.53 | emcnabb | it's fun though |
| 20:55.54 | \me | I am not a morning person - never was |
| 20:55.59 | emcnabb | but I feel like an old man |
| 20:56.04 | \me | I sucked at even being a student |
| 20:56.06 | emcnabb | everyone calling me Brother McNabb |
| 20:56.18 | \me | hah! |
| 20:56.24 | \me | emcnabb: where you at these days? |
| 20:57.13 | ^Migs^ | haha, Baby Mormon: http://www.mybabymormon.com/index.html |
| 20:57.32 | emcnabb | the other day I was joking around and said in a 'hip' voice: "yo, wass up?", and the kids freaked out. "Brother McNabb, NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. You can't try to act cool in front of us ever again" |
| 20:57.57 | redbeard1 | oh man |
| 20:57.59 | redbeard1 | that hurts |
| 20:58.01 | ^Migs^ | they actually said those words? |
| 20:58.02 | emcnabb | it was beyond them that I used to be a teenager |
| 20:58.09 | emcnabb | and I'm only 27 |
| 20:58.14 | tensai | emcnabb: you never pulled off "cool" when you were young, why would you expect to now? |
| 20:58.21 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: yeah, I'm paraphrasing |
| 20:58.21 | maquis | emcnabb: lol |
| 20:58.25 | emcnabb | ~lart tensai |
| 20:58.30 | ^Migs^ | geez, me too. It doesn't occur to me that it was a long time ago that I was a teenager |
| 20:58.33 | emcnabb | \me: I'm in North Carolina |
| 20:58.42 | ^Migs^ | especially since I'm at schools all the time |
| 20:59.01 | \me | emcnabb: cool - I miss that area |
| 20:59.07 | ^Migs^ | I think some seminary teachers have the "coolness" and some don't. |
| 20:59.08 | emcnabb | \me: I love it |
| 20:59.13 | ^Migs^ | it says nothing about whether or not you're really cool, though |
| 20:59.28 | maquis | emcnabb: did you tell them that you're not that far off from them? |
| 20:59.31 | ^Migs^ | you kind of have to be "cool" all the time, right from when you start teaching them |
| 20:59.31 | emcnabb | They were just shocked to see an "adult" use teenager phrases |
| 20:59.37 | emcnabb | maquis: yeah |
| 20:59.39 | \me | I have sisters their age |
| 20:59.41 | ^Migs^ | "yo, wass up?" is not a teenager phrase |
| 20:59.58 | \me | you should say "that's hot" |
| 21:00.14 | ^Migs^ | or use "neato" and "groovy" |
| 21:00.19 | \me | that may be last year though |
| 21:00.23 | elg | emcnabb: http://xkcd.com/c166.html |
| 21:00.31 | ^Migs^ | or just watch me to see what's cool |
| 21:00.43 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: I'll work on the lingo |
| 21:00.56 | emcnabb | elg: that's awesome! |
| 21:01.00 | ^Migs^ | haha, nice one, \me |
| 21:01.01 | \me | just tell them you like computer games |
| 21:01.34 | emcnabb | they are a lot of fun, and they seem to be enjoying it. We're having it in a member's basement, so it's a little awkward |
| 21:01.47 | emcnabb | I would prefer the church building, but oh well |
| 21:02.03 | elg | emcnabb: just make sure you all make a lot of noise |
| 21:02.14 | Jayce^ | my first year we met in the bedroom of the older brother of one of the students... |
| 21:02.21 | emcnabb | elg: we've only had one complaint so far, so we're doing well |
| 21:02.30 | \me | I used to meet above the garage of a member |
| 21:02.33 | elg | more complaints => church building |
| 21:02.41 | emcnabb | Jayce^: wasn't he asleep? |
| 21:02.47 | \me | my mom used to do it out in my room in the garage |
| 21:03.08 | emcnabb | church building => 20 minute drive each way => unhappy Brother McNabb |
| 21:03.09 | elg | we used to have seminary under the cough |
| 21:03.11 | elg | er, couch |
| 21:03.35 | elg | you said you'd perfer the church blg |
| 21:03.37 | Jayce^ | no, older brother... |
| 21:03.56 | emcnabb | well I would, but I'd rather be close in a house than far in a church |
| 21:03.58 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 21:04.18 | emcnabb | Jayce^: wasn't the older brother asleep in the room? |
| 21:05.48 | tensai | \me: it's really not fair to call a litter box your "room" |
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| 21:06.51 | \me | tensai: you should have tried sleeping in it |
| 21:10.42 | \me | ~lart php |
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| 21:11.47 | findlay | emcnabb: you should also realize that an advantage to waking up early is that you can debug that `emerge --sync` that errored out on you during the night |
| 21:12.03 | emcnabb | or not :-) |
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| 21:16.29 | herlo | http://groups.myspace.com/utos |
| 21:20.42 | \me | oh yeah - emcnabb you have to get them all as your friends on myspace. They'll think you're really cool if you do that |
| 21:20.58 | \me | my Aunt did that with her young women and they all thought it was really cool |
| 21:21.09 | \me | plus you get lots of friends on myspace that way |
| 21:21.45 | \me | none of them will be adults, but hey, you'll have friends at least ;-) |
| 21:21.53 | herlo | \me: but that's not emcnabb's link... |
| 21:21.58 | emcnabb | you guys on #utah are my myspace... |
| 21:22.01 | emcnabb | awwww... |
| 21:22.05 | \me | herlo: I know - it just made me think of it |
| 21:22.32 | herlo | emcnabb: you are a punk. I am just trying to get UTOS's rank up...having a myspace account seemed promising... |
| 21:22.37 | findlay | there's a fairly complete set of myspace perl modules on cpan |
| 21:23.40 | scothoser | emcnabb: Not all of us are on myspace. I'm not "hip" enough to be on myspace. Several of my trainees at eBay would give me flack as I told them to stop using myspace while in training. |
| 21:24.03 | scothoser | Particularly after I had one fired. I still to this day detest the site. |
| 21:24.28 | \me | great herlo - you're going to get us all fired for going to myspace while at work |
| 21:24.56 | findlay | hack time |
| 21:24.57 | emcnabb | scothoser: wow |
| 21:25.16 | Jayce^ | ~lurk Keighvin |
| 21:25.23 | ibot | ACTION slinks in the shadows following Keighvin |
| 21:25.23 | scothoser | This person was visiting more... questionable material on myspace.. They created an HR liability that eBay didn't want to deal with. |
| 21:25.23 | emcnabb | findlay is going to hack his myspace page - gonna pimp it out |
| 21:25.45 | findlay | with WWW::Myspace |
| 21:26.09 | \me | when and what is utos? |
| 21:26.17 | findlay | ~utos |
| 21:26.19 | ibot | i heard utos is Uninterrupted Transition Ostensibly Saturnine, or unmitigated transmission of synergy, or unwarranted topological, orthogonal syntax, or ubiquitous typos overcome senseibility |
| 21:26.35 | findlay | heh, where, um, did that come from? |
| 21:26.41 | \me | lol |
| 21:26.47 | \me | that explains it |
| 21:26.55 | \me | I totally understand now |
| 21:27.13 | \me | I just joined btw - not sure what I joined though |
| 21:27.26 | Jayce^ | you signed up for spam |
| 21:27.30 | \me | yes! |
| 21:27.44 | findlay | spam? isn't that a python thing? |
| 21:33.16 | herlo | ibot: utos is also Utah Open Source Conference 2007 - August 2-4, 2007 |
| 21:33.17 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 21:33.22 | herlo | ~utos |
| 21:33.24 | ibot | from memory, utos is Uninterrupted Transition Ostensibly Saturnine, or unmitigated transmission of synergy, or unwarranted topological, orthogonal syntax, or ubiquitous typos overcome senseibility. Utah Open Source Conference 2007 - August 2-4, 2007 |
| 21:33.27 | neybar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuoljANz4EA |
| 21:33.53 | herlo | neybar: that's cool, saw it earlier today |
| 21:34.10 | neybar | it's pretty wild. |
| 21:34.21 | \me | k - what is Utah Open Source Conference? |
| 21:34.41 | neybar | I'd guess it was an open source conference in utah. |
| 21:34.44 | findlay | it's like general conference with open source |
| 21:35.05 | herlo | ibot: utos is also http://www.utos.org |
| 21:35.06 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 21:35.15 | herlo | ~utos |
| 21:35.17 | ibot | well, utos is Uninterrupted Transition Ostensibly Saturnine, or unmitigated transmission of synergy, or unwarranted topological, orthogonal syntax, or ubiquitous typos overcome senseibility. Utah Open Source Conference 2007 - August 2-4, 2007, or http://www.utos.org |
| 21:35.58 | findlay | herlo: you can delete that other cruft if you want |
| 21:35.59 | \me | so does utos have an opening and closing prayer and everything? |
| 21:36.10 | \me | and the OS Tabernacle Choir? |
| 21:36.15 | findlay | yes, yes |
| 21:36.37 | herlo | ibot: no utos is Utah Open Source Conference - http://www.utos.org - August 2-4, 2007 |
| 21:36.39 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 21:36.42 | herlo | ~utos |
| 21:36.44 | ibot | i heard utos is Utah Open Source Conference - http://www.utos.org - August 2-4, 2007 |
| 21:37.01 | herlo | findlay: thanx for fessing up |
| 21:37.05 | findlay | heh |
| 21:37.07 | \me | in that case ldsoss definitely needs to be there |
| 21:37.08 | herlo | ~herlo \me |
| 21:37.09 | ibot | ACTION pokes \me with a sharp needle. |
| 21:37.16 | findlay | who else would come up with that? |
| 21:37.57 | findlay | ~findlay utos |
| 21:37.59 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps utos. |
| 21:39.13 | herlo | findlay: you |
| 21:39.22 | herlo | ~lart findlay for playing with herlo's mind |
| 21:39.50 | findlay | you can use those acronym anagrams for promotional purposes, I release full rights to UTOS |
| 21:40.03 | herlo | findlay: gee thanx |
| 21:40.09 | findlay | and if you need some more I'll be happy to supply |
| 21:40.12 | herlo | ibot: beat findlay within an inch of his life |
| 21:40.14 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats findlay within an inch of his life over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 21:40.27 | herlo | :) |
| 21:40.30 | findlay | in the open source magnamimous way of doing things |
| 21:41.23 | findlay | I like to keep my life at least as close as an inch |
| 21:42.05 | findlay | don't want to let it run wild |
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| 21:59.50 | redbeard1 | ~lart Keighvin |
| 22:01.34 | scothoser | Man, ibot seems to like his Louisville Slugger.. |
| 22:07.14 | scothoser | ~whaleattack redbeard1 |
| 22:07.26 | scothoser | Bugger. What was that command again? |
| 22:07.38 | redbeard1 | ~whaleparry scothoser |
| 22:07.40 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry scothoser's attacks. |
| 22:09.44 | findlay | ~whaleslap redbeard1 |
| 22:09.46 | ibot | ACTION beats redbeard1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:10.05 | scothoser | whaleslap! That's it! Thanks findlay! ^_^ |
| 22:10.30 | herlo | ~stomp findlay |
| 22:11.38 | Keighvin | ~whalebomb findlay |
| 22:11.39 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at findlay and hides. |
| 22:12.05 | maquis | is it like the one that got beached and died so they used tnt on it? |
| 22:13.18 | findlay | ~tnt maquis |
| 22:13.22 | Keighvin | Which one, the Canadian one or the Australian one? |
| 22:13.34 | maquis | Keighvin: did they really do that twice? |
| 22:13.52 | findlay | ~eval trinitrotoluine + O_2 => stuff |
| 22:16.00 | Keighvin | maquis: Yup. |
| 22:16.08 | Keighvin | ~nknuke findlay |
| 22:16.09 | ibot | ACTION tosses a sub-kiloton nuke at findlay, requiring 14 days of intense UN flyovers to determine it even yielded radiation. The sound is somewhat like "pfft." |
| 22:17.21 | findlay | ~cook Keighvin |
| 22:17.22 | ibot | ACTION throws Keighvin in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks Keighvin on 350 for an hour |
| 22:17.37 | Keighvin | ~whaleimmune findlay |
| 22:17.39 | ibot | ACTION uses his Divine Shield and is immune to all findlay's physical attacks for the next 12 seconds. |
| 22:17.49 | Keighvin | ~lart findlay |
| 22:18.13 | findlay | ~funkybomb Keighvin |
| 22:18.15 | ibot | ACTION blows away Keighvin in a psychedelic flash |
| 22:18.44 | Keighvin | ~whalenametheft findlay |
| 22:18.46 | ibot | ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) kicks findlay's ass and steals his/her name. The now anonymous target weeps. |
| 22:18.52 | findlay | ~travolta maquis |
| 22:18.54 | ibot | ACTION replaces maquis with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 22:23.29 | maquis | ~lart java |
| 22:23.39 | maquis | ibot: that wasn't a very good lart |
| 22:23.42 | maquis | -lart java |
| 22:23.58 | maquis | wow... i struck out |
| 22:24.03 | maquis | ~lart java |
| 22:29.49 | scothoser | ~lart university politics |
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| 22:32.46 | macnewbold | ~greet Sargun |
| 22:33.14 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Sargun |
| 22:33.15 | macnewbold | ~sargun |
| 22:33.31 | ibot | somebody said sargun was bored |
| 22:33.31 | macnewbold | ~sargun ibot |
| 22:33.38 | ibot | nothing |
| 22:33.38 | Sargun | Hiya |
| 22:34.02 | maquis | Sargun: your eye ok? |
| 22:34.21 | Sargun | yeah, thanks for asking |
| 22:34.23 | Keighvin | Wasn't that xbmodder? |
| 22:34.34 | maquis | Keighvin: xbmodder == sargun |
| 22:35.16 | Sargun | The doctor had me stuff, such as cover my eye and look into a light, etc. and my responses didn't seem like anything that they immediately had to check up. |
| 22:36.04 | maquis | good |
| 22:36.06 | Sargun | But now I got a terrible migraine. |
| 22:36.13 | Sargun | Well sort of terrible. |
| 22:36.13 | maquis | ick |
| 22:36.35 | Sargun | I haven't got one this bad since I was 12-ish |
| 22:37.32 | findlay | Sargun: too many voip providers in one month. You probably need to cut back |
| 22:37.58 | Sargun | findlay, haha |
| 22:38.36 | macnewbold | so your last bad headache was like last week maybe? |
| 22:38.45 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 22:38.58 | Sargun | macnewbold, 3 years.... |
| 22:39.09 | Sargun | macnewbold, I get sinus headaches 2-3 times a week |
| 22:39.15 | macnewbold | hehe, just kidding |
| 22:39.20 | macnewbold | that's not right |
| 22:39.25 | Sargun | ? |
| 22:39.33 | macnewbold | getting headaches 2-3 times/week as a normal thing |
| 22:40.16 | Sargun | I've talked to my allergist, and he said my sinuses do have an odd response |
| 22:40.28 | Sargun | I also get headaches when I'm stressed out. |
| 22:42.47 | synic | I've never had a sinus headache |
| 22:42.53 | Sargun | synic, your lucky. |
| 22:43.04 | synic | I guess |
| 22:43.10 | synic | I get a headache like once a month |
| 22:43.36 | synic | I dunno why it's that way though... the rest of my family regularly gets migrains |
| 22:44.30 | levi | Sargun: What are you doing online if you have a migraine? Shouldn't you be in a dark room with earplugs? |
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| 22:44.45 | Sargun | levi, Its much better now |
| 22:44.48 | Keighvin | ~lart Qwest. |
| 22:44.52 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 22:44.54 | Keighvin | ~lart qwest |
| 22:44.59 | Sargun | levi, I'm not light sensitive any longer |
| 22:45.10 | levi | I certainly can't stand to look at monitors when I'm in the middle of a migraine. |
| 22:45.27 | Sargun | levi, but I can't make too much movement of my head, or stomach, or else I feel like crap |
| 22:45.29 | Keighvin | Was that due to migraine, or pupildilation? |
| 22:45.44 | Keighvin | s/pupildilation/pupil dilation/ |
| 22:47.48 | Sargun | I think migraine |
| 22:48.43 | Sargun | I need to get anti-headache medicine again. |
| 22:48.57 | Sargun | I hate that stuff |
| 22:51.39 | findlay | is there a C function that lets you replace a character in a string with another? |
| 22:52.28 | Sargun | umm |
| 22:53.13 | harleypig | anyone know how to set application handlers for firefox? |
| 22:54.56 | tensai | maquis: the whale video I saw was from Oregon. in the 70s IIRC |
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| 22:55.34 | tensai | yeah. http://www.perp.com/whale/ |
| 22:57.03 | Sargun | findlay, can't you just take an indice of the string analyze it, and copy it over after passing it through your custom replace function? |
| 22:57.28 | tensai | Keighvin: so what did qwest do this time? |
| 22:57.36 | maquis | tensai: that's the one i was thinking of |
| 23:01.21 | levi | findlay: The array subscripting and assignment operators can be used to replace a character in a string with another. |
| 23:01.45 | findlay | levi, Sargun: yeah took me a little while to remember |
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| 23:07.48 | Sargun | I love the new version of flash |
| 23:07.52 | Sargun | spr, thanks for the URL |
| 23:08.00 | findlay | ~flash Sargun |
| 23:08.06 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on Sargun, then pulls the plug halfway through |
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| 23:11.26 | levi | findlay: Just remember; the '=' operator in C will happily put a piece of data wherever in memory you'd like it. |
| 23:12.18 | findlay | even at, like, 0xFFFF012345? |
| 23:12.34 | levi | findlay: Well, your operating system might complain, but C won't. |
| 23:12.43 | findlay | heh |
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| 23:16.02 | levi | Not even 'const' can get in your way. |
| 23:16.50 | levi | Though, at least it will warn you if you are obviously trying to subvert it. |
| 23:28.01 | harleypig | Does anyone know how to tell firefox to use a certain plugin or application for a mime type? |
| 23:29.43 | Keighvin | tensai: dropped my connection. |
| 23:29.56 | Keighvin | Which Qwest seems to do whenever they fear there might be inclement weather. |
| 23:31.27 | Keighvin | harleypig: For a mime type, yes. For a plugin? No. |
| 23:31.33 | Keighvin | And unfortunately the two are different. |
| 23:31.40 | Keighvin | It'll always prompt for downloads in that case. |
| 23:33.05 | harleypig | Keighvin: I'll take the mime-type ... at least I know gflashplayer works |
| 23:33.08 | Keighvin | ~nknuke harleypig |
| 23:33.16 | ibot | ACTION tosses a sub-kiloton nuke at harleypig, requiring 14 days of intense UN flyovers to determine it even yielded radiation. The sound is somewhat like "pfft." |
| 23:33.45 | harleypig | heh ... I was just looking at that exploding whale page too. |
| 23:34.35 | harleypig | I thought just placing the plugin in the plugins directory would allow it to be seen by firefox but that doesn't appear to be the case. |
| 23:35.52 | Keighvin | /extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/mimetype-editor |
| 23:36.05 | Keighvin | http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/mimetype-editor |
| 23:36.11 | Keighvin | Wonder how that went missing. |
| 23:36.24 | harleypig | sloppy cut-n-paste |
| 23:36.25 | Keighvin | As for the plugins, I've kind of stayed away from that portion of the architecture. |
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| 23:36.37 | harleypig | ew ... that's old |
| 23:37.48 | Keighvin | Fine, do your own <expletive> googling. |
| 23:37.59 | harleypig | heh |
| 23:38.11 | harleypig | and the link to the xpi is b0rked |
| 23:39.26 | harleypig | I've *been* googling ... but once I saw 'mimetype editor' I found links to a mirror for that extension .. we'll see how it works. |
| 23:40.15 | findlay | wait, a mime as an editor mixes up the types in a mirror? Is this a picaso painting? |
| 23:41.01 | findlay | does it involve Harry Potter somehow? |
| 23:42.45 | harleypig | heh |
| 23:42.55 | harleypig | thanks Keighvin that did the trick |
| 23:43.02 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.05 | Sargun | :-( |
| 23:46.41 | harleypig | why is Sargun sad? |
| 23:54.48 | Keighvin | ~dharma harleypig |
| 23:54.49 | ibot | ACTION combs harleypig's frog. |
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| 23:56.59 | Keighvin | I'm off, y'all. |
| 23:57.12 | Keighvin | I'm also looking for constructive feedback on a novel-in-progress. |
| 23:57.31 | Keighvin | Anyone interested in taking a hard, critical read (and making notes) drop me a line. |
| 23:57.38 | Keighvin | whatever-you-want@paultomlinson.net |
| 23:57.40 | Keighvin | g'night. |
