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| 00:21.59 | spr | ~seen gabe |
| 00:22.16 | ibot | gabe <~gabe@cs6820647-232.houston.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 711d 19h 35m 43s ago, saying: 'thoreauputic: nevermind, it must be b/c it's setuid'. |
| 00:23.40 | emcnabb | wow |
| 00:24.16 | spr | ~seen ggundy |
| 00:24.20 | ibot | ggundy <~gabe@gocastlerock.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 509d 2h 21m 35s ago, saying: 'hans: yeah - I just end up having to go to web and reading up on it.'. |
| 00:29.36 | findlay | amazing ibot knows all that stuff |
| 00:29.49 | findlay | ibot: when was the last time I ate a corndog? |
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| 00:39.57 | emcnabb | findlay: I had corn dogs for lunch today |
| 00:40.18 | emcnabb | my diet is suffering since my wife is on vacation |
| 00:43.18 | emcnabb | ~seen torriem |
| 00:43.28 | ibot | torriem <~torriem@c-67-177-53-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 510d 19h 2m 22s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 00:43.49 | tensai | ~seen mtorrie |
| 00:43.52 | ibot | i haven't seen 'mtorrie', tensai |
| 00:44.37 | tensai | emcnabb: first time my left was like that. I lived on string cheese and orange juice. |
| 00:44.48 | tensai | emcnabb: but this summer I enjoyed some good bbq :) |
| 00:44.53 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 00:45.36 | tensai | I forgot to go hog wild on the kimchi though. I ate some when she was pregnant and it was not pretty. |
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| 00:47.57 | Sargun | hey |
| 00:48.09 | Sargun | How much does a missile silo cost? |
| 00:49.13 | emcnabb | http://cgi.ebay.com/Titan-1-ICBM-Missile-Base-Located-in-Washington-State_W0QQitemZ4455060285QQcategoryZ1607QQrdZ1QQ |
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| 01:00.30 | EpP | hey guys long time. |
| 01:00.31 | atoponce | i need to turn that off |
| 01:03.30 | atoponce | ~onjoin EpP off |
| 01:03.34 | ibot | ok, atoponce |
| 01:03.34 | atoponce | ? |
| 01:03.43 | atoponce | ~onjoin EpP |
| 01:03.43 | ibot | onjoin for epp set by atoponce on Mon Oct 16 19:03:32 2006: off |
| 01:11.33 | EpP | i hear my name |
| 01:14.00 | Sargun | EpP, |
| 01:21.37 | tensai | ~onjoin -EpP |
| 01:21.37 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 01:21.47 | tensai | ibot: thank you sweetie |
| 01:21.47 | ibot | tensai: bitte |
| 01:40.35 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 01:43.28 | maquis | brrrrrr |
| 01:44.21 | Sargun | brrr? |
| 01:44.43 | Sargun | get in bed |
| 01:44.48 | Sargun | with a cup of hot chocolate |
| 01:44.52 | Sargun | and do something |
| 01:44.58 | Sargun | except don't fall asleep |
| 01:49.33 | maquis | Sargun: umm... what are you suggesting i do? |
| 01:49.43 | maquis | i'm not married... |
| 01:52.55 | Sargun | um. |
| 01:52.58 | Sargun | I assume you have a bed |
| 01:53.01 | Sargun | and a good book. |
| 01:53.04 | Sargun | and wait |
| 01:53.05 | Sargun | whoa. |
| 01:53.27 | Sargun | -_- |
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| 01:53.55 | maquis | well... "get in bed and do something except don't fall asleep"... |
| 01:54.11 | Sargun | I'm 15, I don't think like that |
| 01:54.12 | Sargun | well |
| 01:54.12 | Sargun | I do |
| 01:54.20 | Sargun | but sargun is an anomaly. |
| 01:54.56 | vontrapp | why can't you fall asleep? |
| 01:55.09 | Sargun | because thats a waste of time |
| 01:55.16 | Sargun | if your asleep |
| 01:55.21 | Sargun | I mean if your eyes are closed |
| 01:55.21 | vontrapp | a sturdy wisk works well as an orange juicer |
| 01:55.24 | vontrapp | if you like lots of pulp |
| 01:55.26 | Sargun | its kind of hard to ready |
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| 02:20.34 | elg | arrivaltel++ |
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| 02:29.20 | tensai | elg: porqué arrivaltel++? |
| 02:29.58 | elg | hmm. tensai said something that made his name highlight, but I see that he said nothing |
| 02:30.25 | tensai | must be the utf character |
| 02:30.33 | tensai | elg: porque arrivaltel++? |
| 02:30.44 | elg | hmm. but I should have utf-8 just fine |
| 02:30.47 | EpP | any one here freerun/parkour? |
| 02:31.02 | elg | because my many-minute phone call just now was completely and utterly perfect |
| 02:31.21 | tensai | elg: é |
| 02:31.28 | tensai | did you see that one? |
| 02:31.32 | elg | again, charset issues |
| 02:31.53 | elg | é |
| 02:31.59 | tensai | that's the one |
| 02:32.05 | elg | I see that fine |
| 02:32.13 | elg | I pasted it from vim, where I know it's using utf-8 |
| 02:32.30 | Sargun | I need a good, cheap VoIP service |
| 02:32.37 | Sargun | that just works |
| 02:32.39 | Sargun | tm |
| 02:32.43 | elg | "Default text encoding for new channels" is set to UTF-8 |
| 02:32.45 | vontrapp | i saw both é's just fine |
| 02:32.54 | elg | I saw vontrapp's just fine |
| 02:33.08 | vontrapp | i entered mine using alt-i |
| 02:33.11 | elg | ~tr en jap I pity the fool |
| 02:33.19 | tensai | interesting. I saw all 4. |
| 02:33.23 | tensai | elg: ja |
| 02:33.31 | elg | ~tr en ja I pity the fool |
| 02:33.33 | elg | doh |
| 02:33.39 | elg | is it not tr? |
| 02:33.48 | tensai | x |
| 02:33.56 | vontrapp | ~x en ja hans is the fool |
| 02:33.59 | elg | ~x en ja I pity the fool |
| 02:34.08 | elg | I see ibot's japanese just fine |
| 02:34.12 | vontrapp | japaneze has no pronoun I? |
| 02:34.25 | vontrapp | ~x en kh pitiful |
| 02:34.26 | tensai | it does although it's less frequently used |
| 02:34.27 | elg | and it pastes into vim |
| 02:37.13 | Sargun | ~seen findlay |
| 02:37.28 | ibot | findlay is currently on #utah (6h 8m 17s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 2h 7m 38s, last said: 'ibot: when was the last time I ate a corndog?'. |
| 02:40.37 | emcnabb | ~seen mheath |
| 02:40.44 | ibot | mheath is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 190 messages. Is idling for 6h 40m 14s, last said: 'unwanted pregancy I take it? Or just...unexpected/surprising?'. |
| 02:40.52 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:41.13 | emcnabb | night all |
| 02:42.40 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 02:43.53 | atoponce | exit |
| 02:43.57 | atoponce | gah |
| 02:44.13 | atoponce | stupid terminal |
| 02:45.44 | elg | seems like pilot error to me |
| 02:57.20 | maquis | anyone any good with xine and dvds? (or mplayer and dvds?) |
| 02:59.43 | tensai | you guys watch Heros? |
| 03:00.43 | Sargun | not todays |
| 03:00.45 | Sargun | but yes |
| 03:00.49 | Sargun | Why? |
| 03:01.07 | tensai | just curious what others think. I like it. Seems like a pretty good tv version of a comic book. |
| 03:02.19 | Sargun | Its really slow |
| 03:02.20 | tensai | but mostly I like listening to the Japanese guys |
| 03:02.23 | Sargun | yeah |
| 03:02.27 | Sargun | Hiro is awesome |
| 03:02.33 | Sargun | I think he is going to die a horrible death |
| 03:02.35 | Sargun | though |
| 03:02.46 | tensai | clearly you haven't seen tonight's episode |
| 03:03.38 | Sargun | well |
| 03:03.45 | Sargun | what happens? |
| 03:03.56 | Sargun | ROT13 it |
| 03:04.05 | Sargun | :-P |
| 03:05.31 | tensai | sril xlnvh yzxp uiln gsv ufgfiv gl kzhh z nvhhztv lm gl uobrmt prw |
| 03:06.10 | tensai | hang on, that might not be rot13... |
| 03:06.31 | Sargun | it isn't |
| 03:06.50 | tensai | uveb pbzrf onpx sebz gur shgher gb cnff ba n zrffntr gb gur sylvat xvq |
| 03:07.09 | Sargun | a message of? |
| 03:07.23 | tensai | to be continued... |
| 03:07.25 | Sargun | Wait, doesn't the flying kid just absorb other |
| 03:07.29 | Sargun | 's powers |
| 03:07.33 | mheath | Hmm, who ~seen'd me? emcnabb or Sargun? Didn't see who did it and they're the only two I have on ignore :P |
| 03:07.33 | Sargun | peter |
| 03:08.08 | maquis | mheath: what time? |
| 03:08.20 | tensai | Sargun: is that how his power works? interesting. I think I missed one or two. |
| 03:08.20 | mheath | maquis: 20:39, but its not important. |
| 03:08.32 | Sargun | ~say mheath |
| 03:08.34 | ibot | mheath |
| 03:08.39 | Sargun | tensai, TV guide leaked it |
| 03:08.53 | mheath | Does anyone know of any open source inventory control software? My requirements are a bit special though.... |
| 03:09.09 | Sargun | ~say err, I mean emcnabb |
| 03:09.11 | ibot | err, I mean emcnabb |
| 03:09.11 | mheath | It's for managing clothing articles, and for checking it out to someone. |
| 03:09.12 | tensai | well that's lame. did tv guide publish the end of the crying game too? |
| 03:09.54 | mheath | Two core requirements: It keeps track of all the clothing in inventory, and allows you to check out item(s) against a particular name, and keep track of who has what |
| 03:10.10 | mheath | Suplemental to that would be reports, where it can conveniently list off who has what, who doesn't have what, etc. |
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| 03:11.16 | mheath | Anything that does that? |
| 03:11.25 | mheath | Or comes close to doing that, and would be easy to modify? |
| 03:11.47 | Sargun | Why? |
| 03:11.50 | Tene | tensai: I've been watching it. |
| 03:13.30 | mheath | Heres another question, though... |
| 03:13.55 | mheath | Whats a good way to structure a database with potentially hundreds of very similar, but unique, columns? |
| 03:14.00 | mheath | Like, clothing... |
| 03:14.11 | mheath | Say theres 100 different clothing articles |
| 03:14.55 | Sargun | SQL |
| 03:15.04 | mheath | And you need a row to have TWO values relating to each of those. |
| 03:15.16 | mheath | Is the most elegant solution to just have 200 columns? |
| 03:15.32 | tensai | ~lart maquis until she remembers her password or sets up an ssh key |
| 03:15.44 | Sargun | heh |
| 03:16.01 | mheath | TROUSERS_UTILITY_QUANTITYC = 0 |
| 03:16.17 | mheath | TROUSERS_UTILITY_MODS = NOT_NEEDED |
| 03:16.34 | Sargun | mheath, what language? |
| 03:17.26 | mheath | To be honest, I really haven't worked with SQL much....does it have a multidimensional array data type? |
| 03:17.43 | mheath | TROUSERS_UTILITY | 0 | NOT_NEEDED |
| 03:17.49 | Sargun | can someone ask mheath what language? |
| 03:17.54 | mheath | TROUSERS_KHAKI | 1 | NONE |
| 03:18.28 | tensai | mheath: people who want arrays types usually don't understand sql |
| 03:18.55 | mheath | tensai: I know I'm naive. Whats a better way to do this, then, if arrays are out? |
| 03:19.02 | mheath | Is having 200+ colums the only option? |
| 03:19.23 | tensai | you've heard of relational databases, right? you want a relation. :) |
| 03:19.38 | mheath | tensai: What does that mean, really, though? |
| 03:20.50 | mheath | I've heard of relational databases, yes, but I've never heard much about them. |
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| 03:21.47 | tensai | table is the sql name for a relation |
| 03:21.59 | mheath | Basically what I'm trying to do: |
| 03:22.16 | mheath | I have 100 items the person (a row represents a person) can have |
| 03:22.41 | mheath | I need to know two things: One, how many of that item the person has, and two, any modifications related to the ownership of that item. |
| 03:22.51 | mheath | The 100 items are unique from each other |
| 03:23.15 | mheath | Whats the best way to record that information without having 200 columns, one for the owned quantity of each item, and one for the modifications to ownership? |
| 03:23.51 | tensai | so you create three tables. Person, Item and Checkout. Person lists each person with an id, person_id. Item lists each item with an item_id. Checkout has the (person_id, item_id) combo showing who has checked out each item. |
| 03:23.55 | maquis | emcnabb: ping? |
| 03:25.17 | mheath | I'm thinking about just using a local XML file to store this info in |
| 03:25.21 | mheath | It seems to conform a lot better |
| 03:26.53 | mheath | <person name="blah"><coitem id="234" quantity="0" mods="NOT_NEEDED" /></person> |
| 03:27.07 | mheath | tensai: well, in your idea...how can checkout contain multiple checkouts? |
| 03:27.19 | mheath | Unique row for each checkout? |
| 03:27.42 | Sargun | can someone ask mheath what language? |
| 03:27.50 | Sargun | he wants to write the interface in |
| 03:28.04 | tensai | Sargun: I'd rather torment you by not asking :P |
| 03:28.16 | Sargun | heh |
| 03:28.16 | mheath | lmao, is he trying to get you to ask me something? |
| 03:28.32 | mheath | tensai: so a row in checkout would be something like: |
| 03:28.35 | tensai | look, I'm not playing man in the middle here |
| 03:29.28 | tensai | fwiw, I used to have Sargun /ignore'd. he seems to have grown up since then. |
| 03:29.31 | mheath | transactionid = 1234, userid=34, itemid=43, modification=7 |
| 03:30.00 | mheath | I don't know...if I program this, I'm hoping to keep it simple |
| 03:30.10 | Sargun | tensai, Yeah, I think 90% of #utah had me ignored, until I switched nicknames. |
| 03:30.21 | tensai | mheath: yes. if user 34 checks out another you would get (1234, 34, 44) |
| 03:30.43 | mheath | erm, would it be 1235? A new transactionid? |
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| 03:30.57 | tensai | duh, yes. my bad |
| 03:31.26 | tensai | with that model technically one thing could be checked out by 2+ people |
| 03:31.33 | mheath | Part of my concern is, I kinda hope to share this program with some poeple who aren't particularly computer literate |
| 03:31.45 | mheath | and setting up a MySQL database isn't something people like that are usually up to |
| 03:32.28 | mheath | tensai: no, because if I use that model itemid can be unique for every object, not unique for a class of objects. |
| 03:32.31 | tensai | I would recommend sqlite then |
| 03:33.18 | mheath | Besides, this is going to be used by trusted people. Not for the average dumb end user to check something out |
| 03:33.29 | mheath | For the trusted person to record that the end person is checkign something out |
| 03:33.43 | calvarez | hello |
| 03:33.48 | mheath | This is an inventory control system for the uniforms of the USNSCC youth group I now volunteer as an adult leader / officer for |
| 03:33.50 | Sargun | hey |
| 03:34.02 | Sargun | No money :-( |
| 03:34.36 | mheath | I was asked to help put together an inventory control system..... |
| 03:35.05 | mheath | And they were only asking for osmething like a nice Excel spreadsheet, but I figured I'd go above and beyond that, and package it up so other USNSCC groups could use it too. |
| 03:35.18 | Sargun | use microsoft access |
| 03:35.28 | tensai | to be honest, they will have an easier time with Excel |
| 03:35.29 | mheath | My projects always grow on me like that, though :P |
| 03:36.05 | mheath | tensai: But I think that the report system I have built in will make it more useful |
| 03:36.21 | mheath | They have two big uniform turnovers each year, switching from summer to winter uniforms and vice versa |
| 03:36.43 | mheath | With this report system, when it comes time to switch to winter unifomrs, you can quickly and easily get a nice formated list of who doesn't have the winter uniform yet. |
| 03:37.18 | tensai | the problem with spreadsheets is that they don't scale. they do work in many cases though, much to the chagrin of database purists. |
| 03:37.31 | mheath | This will also be setup with a printer so that it prints out a signout form the cadet has to sign when they take the uniform. |
| 03:40.27 | tensai | mheath: have you searched freshmeat |
| 03:40.27 | mheath | not thorougly |
| 03:40.27 | mheath | I figured I wouldn't have much luck |
| 03:40.40 | mheath | most inventory systems are setup to track a stores inventory, or a personal CD collection or something |
| 03:40.53 | mheath | This is more akin to a library management system, but not even that fits the billet. |
| 03:41.51 | tensai | crud, what's the name of that gpl library system? ... |
| 03:43.29 | mheath | well, any library program won't work |
| 03:43.37 | mheath | I don't have ISBNs or authors, or subjects. |
| 03:43.39 | mheath | Or synposis. |
| 03:43.42 | mheath | It doesn't work. |
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| 03:48.30 | vontrapp | mheath[laptop]: there is some program for keeping track of media, and it's built to keep track of friends borrowing movies and cd's and stuff, maybe that will fit? |
| 03:48.40 | vontrapp | i think it's called mymedia or something |
| 03:49.35 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], hey, what language are you writing this in? |
| 03:50.48 | levi_home | I guess Java. |
| 03:51.44 | Sargun | Well you could interface with sqlobject through jython, and host this application with sun's web application server thing |
| 03:52.48 | levi_home | DabbleDB is an interesting take on letting end-users create database-like apps with the ease of spreadsheet usage. |
| 03:53.09 | levi_home | It's a really cool web app; you should take a look at it. |
| 03:54.32 | calvarez | GLSL is sooo prrrrrty... |
| 03:55.24 | levi_home | What's GLSL? |
| 04:08.57 | mheath[laptop] | I think I'll play around with Open Office a bit... |
| 04:09.08 | mheath[laptop] | see if I can come up with something pretty neat there |
| 04:11.42 | Sargun | Going down for reboot! |
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| 04:15.45 | xbmodder_ | Should I shave today, or wait until next week? |
| 04:17.42 | elg | wait until next year |
| 04:18.01 | tensai | wait as long as you possibly can. there's no road back. |
| 04:22.08 | findlay | levi_home: I think I'm going to try out scheme |
| 04:22.47 | levi_home | findlay: Excellent! I will be happy to help you out as much as I can. |
| 04:22.52 | findlay | which scheme do you reccommend, mit-scheme? |
| 04:23.29 | calvarez | levi_home, GLSL stands from OpenGL Shading Language |
| 04:23.37 | findlay | I have a very specific project I want to do with it |
| 04:23.47 | levi_home | calvarez: Ahh, cool. |
| 04:23.49 | findlay | too much stuff to do |
| 04:23.58 | levi_home | findlay: What is that project? It might influence the choice of Scheme. |
| 04:24.24 | findlay | I want to write an interpreter for various mathematical dialects |
| 04:24.48 | findlay | probably start out with simple algebra |
| 04:25.47 | levi_home | Well, any Scheme will do for that one. For ease of learning, I'd probably start with DrScheme. |
| 04:26.07 | findlay | why's that? |
| 04:27.35 | calvarez | hmm, the CS 330 book that we used to use at BYU would be good for you |
| 04:28.01 | levi_home | It's got an integrated editor that helps indent and match parentheses and such. |
| 04:28.25 | levi_home | You can also change 'language levels' and at some of them you can step through code to see what it's doing, see where variables are bound, etc. |
| 04:30.49 | calvarez | findlay, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262062178/104-6243367-4977516?ie=UTF8 |
| 04:31.15 | calvarez | and http://www.drscheme.org/ |
| 04:31.26 | calvarez | that's what we used for a CS class at BYU |
| 04:32.37 | findlay | want to buy it for me? (: |
| 04:33.34 | calvarez | http://courses.cs.byu.edu/cs330/cs330/home/ |
| 04:33.56 | calvarez | erm, I had it, I think I sold it for 50 cents at a yard sale :( |
| 04:34.06 | findlay | heh |
| 04:34.19 | calvarez | you were 10 weeks too late |
| 04:34.37 | calvarez | I would have let you have it |
| 04:35.44 | calvarez | ok, nite nite time for me |
| 04:35.51 | calvarez | take care |
| 04:37.40 | levi_home | findlay: You should also look at The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, which is available free online. |
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| 04:46.30 | findlay | man, I wish I had time to leisurely increase my knowledge |
| 04:46.53 | findlay | I changed my PCV valve today . |
| 04:47.03 | findlay | it made my car feel special I think |
| 04:47.41 | findlay | the crankcase can ventilate more positively now |
| 04:47.57 | harleypig | What's the name of that website that monitors servers? |
| 04:48.11 | findlay | netcraft? |
| 04:48.12 | harleypig | will tell you what kind of uptimes it's had, what its os is ... |
| 04:48.18 | harleypig | Yeah, that's it, thanks. |
| 04:48.53 | findlay | http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=netcraft |
| 04:49.10 | levi_home | findlay: Let me know when you have any more scheme questions. |
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| 05:04.14 | tensai | AHA! koha.org |
| 05:04.23 | tensai | that's the library automation system I couldn't find |
| 05:04.39 | tensai | try doing a search for "gpl library software" and you'll see why |
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| 05:26.57 | Tene | Heh. |
| 05:32.39 | Sargun | ? |
| 05:32.53 | findlay | why are configure scripts so clunky? |
| 05:32.55 | Sargun | Tene, koha is decent |
| 05:34.31 | Tene | Sargun: I like birds. |
| 05:35.23 | Sargun | findlay, did arrivaltel everget back do you? |
| 05:35.27 | Sargun | PCV valve? |
| 05:35.52 | Sargun | 314 IVs, how long do you think this is going to take? |
| 05:36.48 | Sargun | Why don't people use their wireless networks at 10 PM |
| 05:37.21 | Sargun | I really should bring my antenna within FCC range |
| 05:37.32 | Sargun | but I enjoy killing off people's brain cells. |
| 05:37.49 | Sargun | look what my antenna did for me! |
| 05:37.51 | Sargun | durrr. |
| 05:37.56 | Sargun | ~drool me |
| 05:41.21 | Sargun | Can you buy OLED displays yet? |
| 05:41.23 | Sargun | (normals) |
| 05:41.34 | Tene | what does "normals" mean? |
| 05:41.49 | Sargun | normal people |
| 05:41.55 | Sargun | can they purchase OLED displays |
| 05:42.02 | Sargun | like you |
| 05:42.03 | Sargun | and me |
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| 13:28.34 | emcnabb | good morning |
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| 13:45.54 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 13:51.16 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 14:02.49 | graphyx | -lart larters |
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| 14:48.18 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:50.34 | graphyx | After having a sick 10 Month to take care of last night. |
| 14:50.39 | graphyx | I am glad it is day time, |
| 14:50.49 | graphyx | However I still miss the sleep I am lacking. |
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| 14:56.54 | mheath | ~cheer graphyx |
| 14:56.57 | ibot | ACTION cheers graphyx on |
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| 15:19.02 | calvarez | ~lart -lart |
| 15:19.13 | calvarez | ~lart brac |
| 15:19.16 | calvarez | -brac ibot |
| 15:19.17 | calvarez | -brac ibot |
| 15:19.31 | calvarez | ibot wins |
| 15:19.39 | ibot | methinks wins is the Windows Internet Naming Service |
| 15:20.07 | calvarez | ibot wins |
| 15:20.09 | ibot | wins is probably the Windows Internet Naming Service |
| 15:20.19 | calvarez | screw you ibot |
| 15:20.31 | calvarez | skru you ibot |
| 15:20.37 | calvarez | screw you brac |
| 15:20.50 | calvarez | ibot, screw you |
| 15:20.51 | ibot | ACTION asks you to bend over |
| 15:20.53 | calvarez | meh |
| 15:20.55 | calvarez | hah |
| 15:21.00 | graphyx | calvarez: You go to Gatech, right? |
| 15:21.01 | graphyx | What program? |
| 15:21.02 | calvarez | brac, screw you |
| 15:21.06 | calvarez | CS |
| 15:21.14 | graphyx | undergrad or grad? |
| 15:21.17 | calvarez | grad |
| 15:21.21 | graphyx | I have a friend who is an RA there. |
| 15:21.24 | calvarez | ~gatech |
| 15:21.25 | ibot | [gatech] where calvarez is? |
| 15:21.39 | calvarez | nice |
| 15:21.41 | graphyx | Chriss |
| 15:21.45 | graphyx | Is his name. |
| 15:21.50 | graphyx | Chris |
| 15:21.53 | graphyx | Lee |
| 15:21.58 | calvarez | cool |
| 15:22.03 | graphyx | know him? |
| 15:22.04 | calvarez | I haven't met him, I don't think |
| 15:22.33 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 15:22.52 | calvarez | I might have, I'm bad with names though |
| 15:23.11 | calvarez | well, this remainds me, I should drag my feet to campus and get some stuff done |
| 15:25.11 | levi | calvarez: You know Olin Shivers? |
| 15:26.25 | levi | calvarez: Oh, and a friend of mine is going to be visiting gatech to do some interviews for Apple. Know of any cool stuff to do in the area? |
| 15:27.05 | calvarez | I don't know Olin Shivers, I'm still very new here |
| 15:27.25 | calvarez | cool stuff like what, dining, bars? |
| 15:28.42 | levi | Shivers is an associate professor there. Did a lot of research in programming languages and stuff, much of it concerning Scheme. |
| 15:28.55 | levi | Look up his faculty web page; it's hilarious. :) |
| 15:29.33 | calvarez | his office and lab are probably in the College of Computing building; I'm in the Technology Square Researchy Building (other side of campus) |
| 15:29.59 | levi | Ahh, bummer. What are you studying? |
| 15:30.06 | calvarez | computer graphics |
| 15:30.10 | levi | Ah, cool. |
| 15:30.30 | levi | Oh, and restaurant recommendations would be nice. |
| 15:30.48 | calvarez | well, I should say, I'm doing augmented reality, which is a blend of Cg, computer vision and computer-human interaction |
| 15:31.01 | calvarez | hmm, I have to say, I don't frequent expensive places |
| 15:31.23 | levi | Sounds like a fun research area. |
| 15:31.25 | calvarez | I usually don't go to places where the bill for both my wife and I wo9uld be greater than $30 |
| 15:31.45 | calvarez | so, I don't know what your friend might want |
| 15:32.03 | levi | I don't know that he's into expensive stuff, but he does appreciate good non-chain kind of places. |
| 15:32.46 | calvarez | one place is a safe bet is going to Atlantic Station. It's relatively close to GATECH, and there are lots of places to eat (pretty wide range in variety and price) |
| 15:32.56 | calvarez | I'd definetely go to Atlantic Station |
| 15:33.06 | levi | Apparently he's not going to have a car and his hotel is right next to campus. |
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| 15:33.29 | calvarez | well, walking distance, I'd go to Peachtree street |
| 15:33.59 | calvarez | just 3 blocks east from hotel |
| 15:34.09 | calvarez | lots of restaurants in that area as well |
| 15:34.23 | calvarez | also several kinds of food and price ranges |
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| 15:35.00 | calvarez | if your friend would appreciate a good homestyle burger, then I could suggest the Vortex |
| 15:36.07 | calvarez | but anyways, plenty of food places on Peachtree Stree |
| 15:36.45 | levi | So, how is the gatech grad school? How tough is it to get admitted? What sort of support are you getting? |
| 15:36.46 | calvarez | Note: there is West Peachtree street and Peachtree streets (2 blocks east of West Peachtree). the places I'm talking about are on Peachtree, not W. Peachtree |
| 15:36.55 | calvarez | 1) AWESOME |
| 15:37.04 | calvarez | just no words to describe it |
| 15:37.27 | calvarez | 2) I think it's pretty tough, I think the BYU professors that wrote my recommendation letters put a lot of love into it |
| 15:38.33 | levi | Do you know anything about the local aquarium, art museums, or other local interest sort of stuff? |
| 15:38.47 | herlo | calvarez: are you talking about Downtown Atlanta? |
| 15:39.37 | calvarez | I don't mind sharing this: I had worked as RA for the Marriott School for 1.5 yrs and also volunteered as RA at the graphics lab. At the time of applying I was in the cum laude range, and I scored well in the GRE (800 in quantitative). I am a member of an underrepresented minority (Hispanic), and I don't know if that had anything to do with it (I hope it didn't) |
| 15:40.08 | calvarez | I had taken several grad level classes in graphics |
| 15:40.19 | calvarez | herlo, Midtown area |
| 15:40.41 | herlo | calvarez: cool, I've been there and to Buckhead as well on Business trips, very nice place |
| 15:40.53 | calvarez | 3) All PhD students are pretty much guaranteed funding all throughout their degree as long as they make good progress |
| 15:41.01 | calvarez | I don't know about MS students |
| 15:41.27 | calvarez | also I got a minor in Math at BYU |
| 15:41.43 | calvarez | (that is a nice plus when applying to grad school in CS) |
| 15:43.28 | graphyx | is anyone else have issues with www.boingboing.net crashing ff1.5.07 on windows xp? |
| 15:44.43 | levi | I'm getting my degree from UVSC, so I may have to set my grad school sights a bit lower. |
| 15:45.48 | calvarez | graphyx, no issues |
| 15:46.11 | graphyx | calvarez: Ok. |
| 15:46.49 | calvarez | k, gtg |
| 15:46.50 | calvarez | ta-ta |
| 15:47.11 | herlo | graphyx: why would you use boingboing? |
| 15:47.35 | graphyx | use it? |
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| 15:48.23 | herlo | as in load it |
| 15:48.33 | graphyx | to waste time. |
| 15:48.38 | graphyx | Why else read blogs? |
| 15:49.14 | herlo | graphyx: to learn something useful... |
| 15:49.17 | herlo | :-P |
| 15:49.24 | graphyx | Ok. |
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| 16:21.49 | harleypig | I used gaim for a short while, during an update of my server. At least one of my aim connectioins now thinks I'm communicating using encryption and is encrypting its output before sending to me. Anyone know of a way to setup encryption in irssi? |
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| 16:22.30 | Jayce^ | probably wouldn't be the same encryption |
| 16:22.40 | Jayce^ | and wouldn't that be more of an issue of your bitlbee or whatever |
| 16:22.44 | Keighvin | ~lart encryption |
| 16:23.32 | Keighvin | Humongous exploding nuke, eh? I'm guessing then that it's not of the North Korean variety. |
| 16:24.45 | harleypig | Jayce^: I've checked ... the text is going out in the clear ... your client thinks I'm sending encrypted data and is sending its own data encrypted |
| 16:25.11 | goozbach | ok so I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my awstats static pages weren't getting updated |
| 16:25.25 | goozbach | I wasn't running -update |
| 16:25.40 | maquis | lol |
| 16:25.45 | harleypig | ibot, smack goozbachs forehead |
| 16:25.46 | ibot | ACTION smacks goozbachs forehead upside the head. |
| 16:25.52 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:26.03 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
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| 16:26.29 | fozzmoo | goozbach: So... Nov? |
| 16:26.38 | elg | yup, november is coming up |
| 16:27.00 | fozzmoo | ~seen redbeard1 |
| 16:27.16 | ibot | redbeard1 is currently on #utah (3h 25m 31s), last said: 'goozbach: dude, that's awesome!'. |
| 16:27.25 | redbeard1 | and dude, it was awesome |
| 16:27.31 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 16:27.39 | redbeard1 | whatever it was |
| 16:30.12 | findlay | ~morning emcnabb |
| 16:30.17 | ibot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping emcnabb in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 16:33.20 | elg | man I hate arguing points back |
| 16:33.44 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yup, novemeber |
| 16:33.51 | maquis | elg: why? |
| 16:34.06 | elg | because I hate going back to the problem and figuring out what I did wrong and right |
| 16:34.23 | elg | i like TAs that grade correctly and give enough feedback so i know what I did wrong |
| 16:34.43 | graphyx | elg: Sure. |
| 16:34.44 | goozbach | so, with awstats working properly, I've discovered that 'gorgeous women' has been replaced as the top search result to arrive at my site |
| 16:34.45 | elg | so I can learn without groveling in a text book, and as a bonus I don't have to go argue back points that were rightfully mine to begin with |
| 16:34.59 | graphyx | goozbach: What is it now? |
| 16:35.03 | goozbach | redbeard1: what was awesome? |
| 16:35.05 | goozbach | I don't remember |
| 16:35.08 | graphyx | pencil neck geeks? |
| 16:35.09 | goozbach | graphyx: snopes |
| 16:35.21 | elg | goozbach: were you THE source for gorgeous women? |
| 16:35.21 | goozbach | due to my 'use snopes' page |
| 16:35.31 | goozbach | elg: something like that |
| 16:35.41 | graphyx | How did georgeous women show up as the top one in the first place? |
| 16:35.42 | elg | or THE destination? |
| 16:35.52 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i'm not sure what it was, but i'm sure that it was awesome. |
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| 16:36.59 | elg | redbeard1: maybe it had to do with gorgeous women |
| 16:37.41 | graphyx | anyone know where to find out the list of school rankings for the MIS degree? |
| 16:38.28 | goozbach | graphyx: I've got pictures of gorgeous women dancing on my website |
| 16:38.55 | macnewbold | so how does a woman dance on a website? on a horizonal monitor I guess? |
| 16:39.05 | findlay | and they're gorging on ... bannanas? |
| 16:39.08 | graphyx | I was wondering if he meant web server... |
| 16:39.35 | graphyx | I can see it would be possible for a couple of girls to dance on a 1U rack mount server.. |
| 16:42.04 | maquis | be careful about the heels, though... those could do some serious damage |
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| 16:44.43 | levi | graphyx: Depending on how loaded the rack is and what sort of load rating your raised floor has, things could get interesting. ;) |
| 16:52.27 | fozzmoo | macnewbold: Could just be a printout of a website. |
| 16:53.21 | findlay | but think of all those banannas |
| 16:53.26 | fozzmoo | "I got 5 hits on my website today, but one of them put a hole in it." |
| 16:53.29 | findlay | and bannana spiders |
| 16:54.59 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it was 7 |
| 16:55.03 | goozbach | come on man |
| 16:55.07 | goozbach | I'm more popular than that |
| 16:56.08 | findlay | you need more bananna spiders click fraud pimping your site |
| 16:57.07 | Keighvin | ~lart bad ETAs |
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| 17:01.07 | elg | i hate itunes |
| 17:01.23 | SB1-Work | Join the club? |
| 17:02.13 | spr | Why is it that even though my car was first in the shop today, they still haven't called me about the engine light? |
| 17:02.53 | Keighvin | spr: Engine lights suck. They can mean something as simple as "you need to tighten your gas cap." Literally. |
| 17:03.14 | spr | Yeah, that's why I'm wondering. I mean I am getting an oil change too, but still |
| 17:03.17 | fozzmoo | Always disconnect your battery for 10 minutes and reconnect it before you take a car in for engine light. |
| 17:03.28 | Keighvin | After tightening the gas cap. |
| 17:03.33 | fozzmoo | heh heh. yeah. |
| 17:03.46 | elg | spr: I want to modify some tags based on filename. know any osx software up to the task? |
| 17:03.51 | elg | (you show up in google searches) |
| 17:03.51 | findlay | usually has to do with emission control systems |
| 17:04.11 | findlay | at least on older cars |
| 17:04.13 | spr | elg, I usually use easytag. It's in fink. |
| 17:04.13 | maquis | is there a good way of telling vim not to use ^? every time i hit backspace? |
| 17:04.15 | fozzmoo | findlay: It's really any kind of error code. |
| 17:04.26 | Keighvin | maquis: termcap |
| 17:04.34 | maquis | Keighvin: cool... thanks |
| 17:04.43 | Keighvin | That's not a VIM command though. |
| 17:04.49 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:04.51 | elg | maquis: use a terminal that doesn't suck? |
| 17:05.03 | maquis | hmmm.. termcap doesn't exist |
| 17:05.05 | Keighvin | That just configures the terminal capture settings and concepts of what does or does not constitute extended character commands such as backspace. |
| 17:05.14 | maquis | elg: this one hasn't had problems until today |
| 17:05.15 | findlay | personally I think the check engine light is a cop out for dealers to gouge your money and to gouge mechanics for the overpriced 'computer' interface |
| 17:05.27 | Keighvin | try `echo $TERMCAP` |
| 17:05.36 | Keighvin | And `man termcap` |
| 17:05.36 | elg | maquis: what setup? both ends |
| 17:05.46 | Keighvin | It's a configuration, not an app. |
| 17:05.56 | elg | and ignore the termcap advice. you either need to fix your setup, or work around it in vim |
| 17:06.04 | maquis | elg: i'm working over ssh... at the end, i'm working inside sudo |
| 17:06.08 | findlay | how hard would it be to put a 60 character LCD display on the dashboard? Then you don't need all this expensive aftermarket computer garbage |
| 17:06.15 | maquis | and it's using vim5 at that end |
| 17:06.24 | elg | vim5?! |
| 17:06.35 | elg | 5 point what? |
| 17:06.44 | elg | what distros on each end? |
| 17:06.46 | maquis | 5.3 |
| 17:06.50 | elg | and what terminal emulator? |
| 17:06.51 | elg | sheesh |
| 17:07.21 | elg | one of the reasons I fell in love with debian back in the day was that it got the terminal issues mostly right. it was refreshing |
| 17:07.29 | elg | backspace just worked, most of the time |
| 17:07.36 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 17:08.01 | fozzmoo | yeah- other distros kinda waffled back and forth on that. BKSP sent \8 or \127 |
| 17:08.26 | fozzmoo | Not that it's hard to modify that behavior. |
| 17:08.59 | findlay | that would make it easier for me to fix my own car problems I guess and that would decrease their so important profit |
| 17:09.55 | elg | findlay: lately on cartalk the running joke is that people forget to mention that their check engine light is on |
| 17:10.06 | elg | they seem to give it some importance, at least in diagnosing |
| 17:10.29 | elg | they say something like "well, it wouldn't be such and such because the check engine light isn't on... wait, IS it on?" |
| 17:10.36 | levi | findlay: If you get a CEL, go to Autozone. They'll read it for you. |
| 17:10.41 | fozzmoo | good news is taht any Autozone will ... yeah. |
| 17:10.47 | findlay | yes, but why a dumb light when you could have the car's computer actually print out an error message?! |
| 17:10.49 | fozzmoo | what levi said. :) |
| 17:11.04 | fozzmoo | I want a small dot matrix printer in my car. :) |
| 17:11.12 | findlay | me too |
| 17:11.17 | elg | findlay: open the door to error messages and you open the door to microsoft-style error messages |
| 17:11.26 | elg | even less helpful than check engine lights |
| 17:11.32 | levi | findlay: Dealers make a lot of money reading engline codes. |
| 17:11.37 | findlay | heh |
| 17:11.44 | findlay | doesn't have to be |
| 17:11.46 | levi | s/engline/engine/ |
| 17:12.25 | findlay | what language do engines speak? |
| 17:12.34 | elg | binary |
| 17:12.39 | levi | OBD-II |
| 17:12.58 | findlay | wouldn't it be a the same base as the number of cylinders? |
| 17:12.59 | maquis | fozzmoo: how do you change the behavior of backspace? which command is it? i tried stty erase ^H (using ctrl-v to get that) |
| 17:13.03 | levi | Or, rather, that's what the computer speaks to the reader. |
| 17:13.08 | maquis | that didn't seem to work |
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| 17:13.49 | fozzmoo | maquis: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-5.html |
| 17:13.56 | levi | I believe newer cars use a CAN bus or something for sensors to communicate with the computer. |
| 17:14.08 | findlay | rather than analog? |
| 17:14.19 | maquis | fozzmoo: thanks |
| 17:14.21 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:14.25 | findlay | spr: not as loud as mine |
| 17:14.27 | findlay | (: |
| 17:14.53 | rsimpkins | Okay vim gurus. I do a /search and it highlights my text. Now I have found what I want. I don't wanna have the highlighting on until the next search. How do you clear it?] |
| 17:15.01 | fozzmoo | :set nohls |
| 17:15.06 | spr | :nohl |
| 17:15.08 | findlay | levi: what, not I2C? (: |
| 17:16.12 | fozzmoo | hls = highlight last search |
| 17:16.12 | rsimpkins | Will that turn it off completly? Do I have to turn it on again? |
| 17:16.13 | fozzmoo | In your .vimrc: highlight Search NONE |
| 17:16.13 | levi | I think CAN is probably optimized for the automobile environment, which is full of noise and long distances. |
| 17:16.13 | findlay | map <F9> :nohl<CR> |
| 17:16.14 | rsimpkins | It seems to make a lot of sense to have it highlight right after a search, but when I append or insert it clears the highlighting - no? |
| 17:16.40 | rsimpkins | Or rather- some smarter highlighting would be nice - IMHO. |
| 17:17.20 | rsimpkins | The :nohl will work for now I suppose. Thanks for the info. |
| 17:18.21 | goozbach | ohh search term #2: 'cat drinking' |
| 17:18.28 | goozbach | I just saw that |
| 17:18.30 | elg | rsimpkins: :set nohls will turn it off permanently |
| 17:18.38 | elg | :nohl will just turn it off until the next search |
| 17:18.42 | elg | map it, it's nice |
| 17:18.53 | elg | and set your pastetoggle to f10 while you're at it |
| 17:19.36 | levi | rsimpkins: Or you could use emacs, which does what you want. |
| 17:20.27 | elg | for some definition of what you want |
| 17:20.54 | levi | The definition he just gave; it highlights while you search, but clears the highlighting when you start editing again. |
| 17:21.17 | levi | And also doesn't need a silly paste mode, which always annoyed me about vim. |
| 17:21.39 | elg | if that's his only criteria in an editor, then sure |
| 17:21.53 | elg | more likely he has other reasons not to switch from vim |
| 17:22.02 | elg | emotional baggage if you will. :) |
| 17:22.13 | levi | Probably. I switched from vim, though, so it's doable. |
| 17:22.25 | elg | but not without considerable effort |
| 17:23.06 | maquis | i switched from emacs at one point |
| 17:23.14 | rsimpkins | I am concerned with emacs and my pinky finger - actually. |
| 17:23.25 | levi | I switched from emacs at one point, too. |
| 17:23.37 | elg | I switched from pine to mutt |
| 17:23.39 | elg | does that count? |
| 17:23.47 | levi | Sure, if you want it to. :) |
| 17:24.03 | levi | rsimpkins: I have capslock mapped to control, which helps with that. |
| 17:24.10 | rsimpkins | My first Internet e-mail client was pine: 1994. I accessed it via the old Utah state BBS - anyone remember that? |
| 17:24.17 | levi | I used control all the time in vim, too, since I hated reaching for esc. |
| 17:24.20 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Yeah. |
| 17:24.23 | fozzmoo | I hated pine. |
| 17:24.25 | fozzmoo | I liked elm. |
| 17:24.28 | elg | nope, I don't think any of us were there when you did that |
| 17:24.29 | fozzmoo | and pine was not elm. |
| 17:24.30 | rsimpkins | levi: I do the same, but emacs requiers you to mash ctrl a lot, right? |
| 17:24.48 | maquis | Escape Meta Alt Control Shift |
| 17:25.29 | maquis | a cognitive interface? |
| 17:26.28 | levi | rsimpkins: Yes, ctrl is used frequently. |
| 17:26.28 | rsimpkins | Perhaps he means "brain" - 'shudders to think what it will mean to use emacs with a [brain]' |
| 17:27.01 | rsimpkins | I think he is trying to say that using emacs is better if you are brainless. |
| 17:28.14 | rsimpkins | FWIW: O'Reilly's "Learning the Bash Shell" has a section where the authors blast vim and claim emacs is what you want to learn because it fits better with the shell. |
| 17:28.26 | Keighvin | findlay: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8426/ |
| 17:29.40 | levi | rsimpkins: It does fit better with the shell. Vi mode in the shell is an abomination. |
| 17:30.21 | elg | heh, no I mean with a brain interface |
| 17:30.38 | elg | levi: actually I love the vi shell mode |
| 17:30.52 | elg | it is much more usable for me than the emacs stuff that I can never remember |
| 17:31.42 | levi | elg: If you'd bothered to learn the standard bindings (which I did before I was even familiar with emacs) you might find it as abhorrent as I do. |
| 17:31.43 | maquis | i think, for the most part, it's which one you know best |
| 17:31.50 | levi | I hated the Vi mode even when I used vim all the time. |
| 17:32.11 | elg | levi: why? |
| 17:32.27 | elg | what do the standard bindings have over the vi bindings? |
| 17:32.35 | levi | elg: Lack of modality. |
| 17:32.36 | elg | other than being based on emacs, which has no value to me |
| 17:32.46 | elg | that's the same argument as emacs vs. vim. try again |
| 17:32.51 | levi | No, it's not. |
| 17:32.55 | elg | we already know I prefer vim |
| 17:32.57 | levi | I like modality in vim. |
| 17:33.06 | levi | But only when I have a serious editing task. |
| 17:33.08 | elg | why like it in vim but not on the cli? |
| 17:33.29 | elg | sometimes the command line is a serious editing task |
| 17:33.35 | levi | When I'm at the command line, mode-switching overhead becomes much greater, since the editing tasks are typically much smaller. |
| 17:34.15 | elg | well I don't agree |
| 17:35.09 | levi | Well, you may notice that I have carefully phrased my comments to reflect only my experience and feelings. |
| 17:35.23 | elg | "Vi mode in the shell is an abomination" |
| 17:35.27 | elg | sounds pretty absolute. :) |
| 17:35.38 | levi | Well, clearly a statement of opinion. :) |
| 17:35.41 | elg | "I don't like vi mode in the shell" would be reflecting your experience and feelings. :) |
| 17:36.11 | findlay | ~heh |
| 17:36.15 | ibot | heh |
| 17:36.43 | graphyx | levi: Usually cars will have some way to output the errors codes like turning the key in various ways. So you can get the two digit code out of the system and then look up what the error is. |
| 17:36.53 | graphyx | You don't have to have a big machine to pull them. |
| 17:37.20 | graphyx | fozzmoo: I tried that for a while, but didn't get used to it. |
| 17:37.29 | levi | graphyx: Some of them do. Mine don't. |
| 17:37.31 | fozzmoo | Probably because I don't know Emacs key bindings well enough to use them effectively. I love using vi commands to search my command history and do inline substitutions, etc. |
| 17:38.09 | graphyx | levi: What type of car? |
| 17:38.49 | levi | graphyx: Well, actually, my Miata did have a way to get the codes, but it's pre-OBD-II so you couldn't read them with a generic OBD-II reader anyway. |
| 17:39.03 | levi | My Toyota Solara may have some way, but I haven't discovered it. |
| 17:39.59 | graphyx | IS the toyota Tolara the one that you need codes off of? |
| 17:40.02 | levi | But considering I can have it read at Autozone for free and get a nice printout that describes the error, why bother with obscure key-turning and blink-counting? |
| 17:40.11 | levi | I don't need any codes at all right now. |
| 17:40.15 | graphyx | levi: True true... |
| 17:44.19 | findlay | how hard would it be to get linux running on that car ... |
| 17:44.47 | elg | not hard if you have a laptop |
| 17:45.06 | graphyx | I think we covered the discussion about what On means.. |
| 17:45.07 | findlay | or netbsd or something |
| 17:45.15 | graphyx | Laptop sitting on the car would qualify right? |
| 17:45.26 | elg | absolutely |
| 17:45.35 | elg | stupid questions get smart alec answers |
| 17:45.55 | findlay | I bet you could get a tower to work too |
| 17:46.48 | graphyx | findlay: Now you are answering your own questions. We have done well. |
| 17:47.52 | maquis | -lart perl |
| 17:48.24 | Keighvin | -save perl |
| 17:48.31 | Keighvin | Nuts. Worth a shot. |
| 17:48.40 | maquis | brac: thanks |
| 17:48.46 | findlay | -perl maquis |
| 17:48.57 | findlay | ~perl maquis |
| 17:49.03 | findlay | whatever |
| 17:49.10 | maquis | ~perl |
| 17:49.11 | ibot | perl is probably at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 17:52.11 | Keighvin | ~lart bad perl coders |
| 17:52.43 | Keighvin | Good language, too frequently used poorly. |
| 17:54.37 | goozbach | watch this, perl is powerful |
| 17:54.48 | goozbach | perl perl perl I invoke fozzmoo! |
| 17:55.03 | goozbach | just watch, he'll pop back up shortly |
| 17:55.08 | goozbach | all due to perl |
| 17:55.18 | findlay | wow |
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| 18:22.51 | graphyx | Where did it arrive? |
| 18:24.10 | Keighvin | In his mail. |
| 18:24.24 | fozzmoo | http://www.amazon.com/Arriving-Somewhere-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000I2IT44/sr=8-1/qid=1160971087/ |
| 18:27.16 | goozbach | you'll notice he did appear |
| 18:27.22 | goozbach | even if he did blow me off |
| 18:27.59 | goozbach | the even cooler thing, is that he doesn't even need to be connected and joined to the channel for this to work. |
| 18:28.02 | findlay | why doesn't `egrep "\w{1,2}"` match only 1 or 2 letter words? |
| 18:29.06 | graphyx | findlay: could it be because a \w indicates a word? and you are asking it to match 1 or 2 of \w which would be 1 or 2 words? |
| 18:29.23 | graphyx | is it one word to a line? |
| 18:29.33 | maquis | findlay: \w isn't word |
| 18:29.37 | findlay | really, so \w doesn't match a word character? |
| 18:30.11 | findlay | ok fine, `egrep "[:alpha:]{1,2}"` doesn't work either |
| 18:30.13 | findlay | ha |
| 18:30.14 | maquis | \w matches an alphanumeric character |
| 18:30.21 | maquis | i learned that yesterday |
| 18:30.23 | Tene | findlay: it will match anything with one or two word letters in it |
| 18:30.28 | Tene | Yeah, alphanumeric. |
| 18:30.31 | maquis | http://www.rexswain.com/perl5.html#regular |
| 18:30.38 | findlay | I dont' care about the character, I care about the quantifier |
| 18:30.43 | graphyx | i stink at regex currently. |
| 18:30.50 | findlay | why doesn't the quantifier work as advertized? |
| 18:31.06 | Tene | findlay: "aaaaaaaa" has both one and two letters in it |
| 18:31.09 | graphyx | emcnabb: overheard on another channel... "make it complicated and free, then Charge for training, the Red Hat way." |
| 18:31.21 | Tene | "aaaaaaaaaaa" matches because it contains "a" which matches |
| 18:31.26 | graphyx | What is the whitespace symbol? |
| 18:31.38 | Keighvin | \s |
| 18:31.39 | findlay | ok |
| 18:31.40 | Tene | \s |
| 18:31.49 | Tene | you might want to look at \b, though. Word boundary. |
| 18:31.52 | graphyx | so do \s\w{1.2}\s |
| 18:31.55 | emcnabb | graphyx: funny |
| 18:32.00 | Keighvin | Or \W - non-alphanum. |
| 18:32.06 | graphyx | emcnabb: Tought you would like that. |
| 18:32.15 | Keighvin | graphyx: That wouldn't catch anything at ^ or $ |
| 18:32.38 | Tene | Yeah, so you want \b, word boundary. |
| 18:32.38 | graphyx | Keighvin: like I said, I stink at regex. Just trying to hack away at it. |
| 18:32.57 | graphyx | I usually have to throw strings together and print out the ones it caught to validate my regex. |
| 18:33.06 | Keighvin | findlay: \b\w{1,2}\b |
| 18:33.22 | Keighvin | graphyx: Anybody does - it's called unit testing. :) |
| 18:33.42 | findlay | didn't work |
| 18:34.34 | findlay | stupid egrep |
| 18:35.27 | findlay | it treats \w already quantified |
| 18:35.56 | findlay | so \b\w\b == \b\w+\b == \b\w{1,2}\b |
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| 18:44.25 | Keighvin | findlay: No. |
| 18:44.30 | Keighvin | Not exactly equal. |
| 18:44.41 | Keighvin | \w+ means "1 or more" |
| 18:44.58 | Keighvin | \w{1,2} means "at least one but not more than two" |
| 18:45.09 | Keighvin | Can you give a sample of the string you're working with? |
| 18:45.25 | findlay | just egreping from /usr/share/dict/words |
| 18:45.30 | Keighvin | And exactly how you're using the regex? i.e., to capture the match, perform a replacement, test, etc. |
| 18:45.55 | Keighvin | Are you doing the necessary escaping on the egrep command line? |
| 18:46.24 | findlay | head -n 1024 /usr/share/dict/words | egrep "\b\w{1,2}\b" |
| 18:47.22 | Keighvin | Given that there's one a line, You could also use ^ & $ qualifiers. |
| 18:48.31 | findlay | hey, that did it |
| 18:48.40 | findlay | head -n 1024 /usr/share/dict/words | egrep "^\w{1,2}$" |
| 18:48.57 | findlay | don't understand why |
| 18:49.41 | Keighvin | From perlre: A word boundary (\b) is defined as a spot between two characters that has a \w on one side of it and a \W on the other side of it (in either order), counting the imaginary characters off the beginning and end of the string as matching a \W. |
| 18:50.10 | findlay | but how is that different from ^? |
| 18:50.49 | findlay | if there's one word per line? |
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| 18:51.48 | Keighvin | Well, did you notice anything strange about the matches that the \b variant produced? |
| 18:52.01 | Keighvin | All those that were greater than 2 characters ended with apostrophe-s |
| 18:52.06 | Keighvin | That matches the condition. |
| 18:52.13 | Keighvin | It treated the ' as a word boundary. |
| 18:52.32 | Keighvin | So, there was a boundary ('), then a one-or-more-character-match on the \w (s). |
| 18:52.37 | findlay | yes |
| 18:53.12 | Keighvin | You'll either need to specifically exclude the apostrophe case, or introduce some other restriction. |
| 18:53.29 | findlay | because the words in the file aren't all 'words' (: |
| 18:54.14 | findlay | thanks |
| 19:01.28 | Keighvin | np |
| 19:01.30 | findlay | regular expressions are fun because they reveal things about how you think is aggrivating and then provocative ways |
| 19:01.38 | findlay | s/is/in |
| 19:02.12 | findlay | aggravating |
| 19:02.15 | findlay | whatever |
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| 19:04.45 | levi | findlay: Are you still planning on learning Scheme? |
| 19:05.14 | findlay | levi: yes |
| 19:05.24 | jsmith | ~seen lars-ut |
| 19:05.42 | ibot | lars-ut <n=Debbie@c-24-2-76-94.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 9d 18h 54m 52s ago, saying: 'jbot: Who's Yoda?'. |
| 19:05.42 | herlo | jsmith: I saw him just 10minutes or so ago |
| 19:05.44 | findlay | sheesh, it's only been like 14 hours (: |
| 19:05.48 | herlo | but he leaves like he comes, by surprise... |
| 19:06.17 | findlay | jsmith: do you know much about arrivaltel? |
| 19:06.38 | levi | findlay: Yes, but you haven't asked any questions yet. :) |
| 19:06.43 | jsmith | findlay: Yes. |
| 19:07.05 | findlay | jsmith: they seem to have broken routes towards SLC |
| 19:07.34 | findlay | because I get no tx audio in that direction ): |
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| 19:07.49 | jsmith | findlay: Oh yeah? I'm on the road, so I haven't used them for a few days |
| 19:08.29 | findlay | utaug site is bogged down to teh slow |
| 19:08.46 | jsmith | findlay: It's a terribly slow machine, and the videos on the site are quite popular |
| 19:09.00 | findlay | hm |
| 19:10.42 | findlay | someday I'll write an essay for an English class in 31337 5pr4c|-|3|\| |
| 19:20.05 | findlay | levi: my math teacher was telling me today about a 5K program in lisp that did symbolic differentation and integration |
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| 19:23.21 | levi | findlay: Section 2.3.2 of SICP has the beginnings of a symbolic differentiator as an example. |
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| 19:27.55 | levi | Man, I need to fix that cable end. |
| 19:30.24 | rsimpkins | No one in here happnes to have a spare 10/100 8+ port switch they are willing to sell on the cheap do they? |
| 19:30.42 | rsimpkins | Or a 4 port KVM switch. |
| 19:40.14 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I've got a 24-port 10/100 switch |
| 19:40.34 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Contact me in a private message, and we'll negotiate a price |
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| 20:07.17 | levi | Hmm, pugs in a webpage. |
| 20:09.23 | levi | The :D command is way cool. |
| 20:10.48 | Tene | ??? |
| 20:13.08 | levi | It prints out the abstract syntax tree of the expression you typed, in a rather lispy way. |
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| 20:18.57 | redbeard1 | ~lart Keighvin |
| 20:22.35 | findlay | TimRiker: what do you think about http://www.hpcalc.org/qonos.php |
| 20:23.00 | findlay | aside from that it looks ugly |
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| 20:29.03 | findlay | levi: have you seen any that are exceptionally powerful? |
| 20:29.31 | levi | findlay: Any of what? |
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| 20:30.03 | findlay | mathematical symbolic manipulation programs in lisp |
| 20:33.55 | levi | Sure. There's Maxima. |
| 20:34.38 | levi | http://maxima.sourceforge.net/screenshots/imaxima.png |
| 20:35.26 | elg | whoa, talk about mixing ugly and beautiful |
| 20:35.54 | levi | http://maxima.sourceforge.net/screenshots/maximatexmacs.png |
| 20:37.01 | levi | emacs may be ugly, but at least you can make cool stuff like that work. :) |
| 20:37.25 | elg | it's the font |
| 20:37.27 | elg | that's ugly |
| 20:37.34 | elg | emacs may be ugly but that wasn't the point. :) |
| 20:37.39 | levi | NT and Carbon emacs actually have nice fonts, too. It's just emacs on X that's nasty, and that too may be solved soon. |
| 20:37.54 | elg | there's only one font choice for emacs? |
| 20:38.26 | levi | No, you can use any font that's configured in the x font manager. |
| 20:38.42 | levi | So if you have a nice bitmap font, you can use it. |
| 20:39.01 | levi | The current released versions don't support any antialiasing or ttf fonts, though. |
| 20:39.36 | elg | that's ok, I don't like AA in my editor |
| 20:39.40 | levi | I believe support for that is in cvs, but I haven't got around to delving into font selection. |
| 20:39.55 | elg | ttf would be nice to support, but anyway |
| 20:40.42 | findlay | no need for ttf when you have bitmap fonts |
| 20:41.03 | levi | findlay: bitmap fonts suck for printing. |
| 20:41.32 | findlay | but great for editor and terminal |
| 20:41.34 | levi | Anyway, Maxima is cool, and it's written in Common Lisp. |
| 20:42.05 | levi | On-screen editor output, yes. Though these days, I often use an AA ttf font there, too. |
| 20:42.07 | elg | findlay: theoretically, but a lot of good fonts are TTF, not bitmapped |
| 20:43.53 | levi | I'm not crazy about the design of the Qonos, though the feature set looks cool. |
| 20:44.44 | levi | Maxima also has a command-line mode that renders equations in ascii art form. :) |
| 20:52.31 | TheDruidXpawX | heh, now if I can just get my political propaganda rendered in ascii art form. |
| 20:56.41 | levi | If you can formulate them as a series of equations... |
| 20:57.29 | findlay | heh |
| 21:01.48 | spr | whoever made the comment about engine lights being on for the fuel cap being off was right. That was the reason |
| 21:02.16 | elg | really? |
| 21:02.17 | elg | wow |
| 21:02.35 | macnewbold | yeah, newer cars do that |
| 21:02.39 | macnewbold | mine has warnings: |
| 21:02.51 | macnewbold | if you have the gas cap off for more than 30 min while trying to refuel, it may cause an overflow |
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| 21:02.57 | maquis | my mom's car complains about the sillies things sometimes |
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| 21:03.11 | macnewbold | I think they do some kind of pressurization inside the tank, maybe to measure the amount of gas left or the gas mileage |
| 21:03.17 | elg | wow, 30 minutes |
| 21:03.23 | maquis | every once in a while, for no reason that we've been able to determine, it displays "defective tyre on board" (and yes, it spells it that way) |
| 21:03.24 | macnewbold | and the check engine light will come on if the cap isn't on tight |
| 21:03.28 | macnewbold | no way |
| 21:03.31 | elg | if you take 30 mintes to refuel, I bet you'll overflow all right |
| 21:03.54 | elg | maquis: do you have a third wheel with you? |
| 21:04.07 | elg | I think that's how the brits spell tire |
| 21:04.13 | elg | or used to anywho |
| 21:04.15 | maquis | elg: a third wheel? |
| 21:04.21 | maquis | elg: yeah... i think that's what it's from |
| 21:04.22 | spr | mine was having a "evap leak". So they installed a new cap. it cost $45 |
| 21:04.24 | maquis | it's a VW |
| 21:04.24 | macnewbold | back seat driver? |
| 21:04.29 | elg | yeah. like another guy/girl with you and your fiance |
| 21:05.07 | maquis | elg: ummm.. doubt that would cause the problem, since this is in my mom's car... |
| 21:05.12 | mheath | wow, I just made about $15 an hour that shift |
| 21:05.22 | mheath | $60 in 4 hours |
| 21:05.39 | elg | maybe you're the third wheel. :) I think you should be insulted |
| 21:05.48 | maquis | elg: haha |
| 21:06.11 | maquis | i don't recommend my mom's car... it's nice, but it's got *tons* of software problems |
| 21:06.22 | mheath | Thats the most money I've ever made per hour in my life :) |
| 21:06.31 | macnewbold | nice, keep it going |
| 21:06.43 | maquis | mheath: get through college and things might change |
| 21:07.00 | mheath | I'm going to make around $450 this week |
| 21:07.09 | elg | what does your mom have? |
| 21:07.16 | maquis | elg: VW Touareg |
| 21:07.22 | mheath | Used to be, my paychecks were around $400 for _two_ weeks, and that was making alot of money. |
| 21:07.28 | elg | i can't pronounce that |
| 21:07.30 | SB1-Work | heh. Anyone ever used MS Publisher to make a webpage? |
| 21:07.32 | maquis | with the guidance system, etc... |
| 21:07.43 | mheath | VW's are nice, but they're getting so complex that you really HAVE to take them into the dealer for heavy maintenance. |
| 21:07.59 | elg | I wish they could still sell us bugs |
| 21:08.03 | elg | as in the classic |
| 21:08.12 | elg | there's a car you can maintain yourself |
| 21:08.15 | maquis | everything in the car is monitored and handled by the on-board computer, which has extremely buggy software from what i can tell |
| 21:08.21 | Jayce^ | SB1-Work, talk to redbeard1 about it :) |
| 21:08.30 | mheath | that said, my dad has the highest trim level of the 2002 Pissat's |
| 21:08.33 | SB1-Work | Jayce^, he has huh? |
| 21:08.38 | mheath | That is a COMFORTABLE, ROOMY car. I love it |
| 21:08.47 | maquis | SB1-Work: i don't want to know why you're asking about that... it just scares me |
| 21:08.49 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: that's not funny |
| 21:08.53 | mheath | All leather interior, |
| 21:09.03 | mheath | room for me to stretch out comfortable (and I'm 6'3") |
| 21:09.10 | SB1-Work | http://petteylegal.com/index_files/page0003.html <-- view source |
| 21:09.14 | SB1-Work | That was done in publisher |
| 21:09.53 | redbeard1 | i didn't know publisher could even do webpages. didn't they stop making it before this whole web thing hit? |
| 21:10.04 | SB1-Work | Probably |
| 21:10.13 | mheath | theres current publishers |
| 21:10.14 | SB1-Work | In case the source didn't tip you off, I HOPE they stopped making it |
| 21:10.18 | mheath | Office 2007 has publisher, IIRC |
| 21:10.29 | SB1-Work | But seriously, view the source to that page. |
| 21:10.31 | maquis | better than the little i had to do with maintaining a webpage that people were editing in frontpage |
| 21:10.42 | mheath | Never used it, but I think I remember seeing it when I was trying out the beta of Office 2007 |
| 21:10.43 | maquis | once a week, the page would stop working, so they'd hand it off to me to fix |
| 21:10.54 | SB1-Work | heh, yup, pretty much |
| 21:11.08 | elg | that's nothing. I've seen worse from dreamweaver |
| 21:11.08 | maquis | that code was the most painful stuff i've ever seen |
| 21:11.15 | SB1-Work | I either have the option of installing publisher so someone else can maintain that (the current person no longer can) |
| 21:11.18 | mheath | SB1-Work: have you seen the source of a page produced in some of the earliest html-handling versions of Word? |
| 21:11.19 | SB1-Work | Or I could do it myself |
| 21:11.25 | SB1-Work | Sure have. |
| 21:11.39 | SB1-Work | elg, 500kb for a one-page table? DW is worse? |
| 21:11.39 | mheath | tons and tons of completely worthless meta info |
| 21:12.03 | maquis | SB1-Work: frontpage is worse |
| 21:12.24 | mheath | Dreamweaver actually really impresses me. At least the latest versions |
| 21:12.36 | elg | sure it's wasteful, but it's fairly straightforward and readable. the only problem is the non-reuse of their CSS |
| 21:12.40 | SB1-Work | I've yet to see frontpage go over 500kb for a single table |
| 21:12.41 | elg | DW is worse. believe me |
| 21:12.44 | maquis | SB1-Work: at least what came out of publisher loads |
| 21:12.50 | mheath | The last versions is the one popular HTML editor I've found that doesn't try to excessively alter existing files when you make a tiny change with the WYSIWYG editor |
| 21:13.00 | maquis | the stuff i've seen with frontpage had to be manually edited to get it to work |
| 21:13.01 | SB1-Work | maquis, true, and further, it renders identically in EVERY browser I've tried |
| 21:13.08 | SB1-Work | On windows, linux, and mac |
| 21:13.11 | maquis | SB1-Work: that's pretty impressive |
| 21:13.18 | mheath | elg: I used Dreamweaver alot, and never saw it do anything like that |
| 21:13.20 | SB1-Work | Yeah... |
| 21:13.21 | mheath | Use a recent version |
| 21:13.24 | mheath | It used to kind of suck |
| 21:13.29 | elg | I don't use it at all |
| 21:13.32 | mheath | Now it doesn't do ANYTHING except what you tell it to do, in a clean way. |
| 21:13.45 | elg | I worked somewhere where it was used back in 2000 |
| 21:13.49 | mheath | Like I said, I'm REALLY impressed by the recent versions out there. Best WYSIWYG web editor. |
| 21:14.26 | mheath | maquis: of course :) Why I said "Best _WYSIWYG_ web editor" |
| 21:14.35 | fozzmoo | As far as WYSIWYG editors go, dreamweaver really isn't bad. Neither is nvu. |
| 21:14.43 | maquis | mheath: sure |
| 21:15.04 | maquis | i've never used a wysiwyg web editor, though |
| 21:16.03 | mheath | gah, I'm still trying to decide between file formats for my little inventory handling app |
| 21:16.03 | findlay | that's what templates are for |
| 21:16.03 | mheath | XML or SQL database..... |
| 21:16.09 | findlay | although lately I'm prefering HTML::Tree |
| 21:16.14 | mheath | I honestly like XML a lot more, but writing the code to read from an XML file in Java is a lot harder than getting the data from an SQL database |
| 21:17.47 | mheath | Hey, is there any automated ways to fill in fields on a PDF form? |
| 21:17.59 | findlay | pdftk |
| 21:18.24 | levi | Ooh, I just found calc mode in emacs. |
| 21:18.36 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:18.39 | levi | It emulates (roughly) an hp48 |
| 21:18.43 | macnewbold | try M-x tetris |
| 21:18.49 | mheath | findlay: really? You can easily and automatically make a way to fill out PDF forms with defined text entry fields? |
| 21:18.52 | macnewbold | or M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead |
| 21:18.59 | macnewbold | or M-x yow |
| 21:19.08 | levi | Yeah, I knew about those ones. |
| 21:20.06 | elg | does it have a flight simulator too? |
| 21:20.42 | findlay | mheath: you need an auxiliary FDF file, but you can do it |
| 21:20.48 | mheath | FDF? |
| 21:20.53 | findlay | read it on the site |
| 21:21.03 | findlay | the documentation |
| 21:21.30 | findlay | www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ |
| 21:27.31 | Keighvin | maquis: I know I"m commenting on this late, but the "defective tyre on board" message is an indication that one or more tires are rotating at a different speed. |
| 21:27.41 | Keighvin | Can have to do with traction, tread depth, and inflation. |
| 21:27.56 | mheath | findlay: how does one extract the names of what fields are available in a PDF form? |
| 21:28.19 | findlay | mheath: I've never done it before |
| 21:28.47 | mheath | I found the PDF::FDF::Simple perl module for generating them.... |
| 21:29.08 | mheath | But I need to know the name of the fields |
| 21:29.28 | mheath | Then I can use pdftk to take the generated FDF and put it into a PDF... |
| 21:29.46 | findlay | pdftk dump_data file.pdf |
| 21:30.05 | findlay | check the man page |
| 21:30.27 | findlay | it's arcane but it's there |
| 21:31.00 | mheath | erm dump_data_fields I think is more appropriate....hmm |
| 21:31.10 | findlay | yes |
| 21:31.14 | findlay | just about to say that |
| 21:34.41 | levi | elg: No flight simulator. But this calculator is awesome. |
| 21:35.56 | levi | elg: It even does some symbolic math. I prefer it to the ocaml one you mentioned earlier, and it has a name I can remember! |
| 21:36.01 | mheath | whats the DOS cahracter equivelent to bash's > file.txt ? |
| 21:36.11 | mheath | That is, how do I get it to output STDOUT to a text file? |
| 21:36.27 | mheath | ah, > apparently :P |
| 21:36.53 | findlay | so `pdftk dump_data_fields file.pdf | perl -MPDF::FDF::Simple -e 'magic' | pdftk fill_form file.pdf` |
| 21:36.59 | findlay | ~lart mheath for using windows |
| 21:37.57 | mheath | findlay: nah, this is for a program premade to fill certain forms |
| 21:38.21 | mheath | I just need to handgrab the field names, to use when writing my perl code |
| 21:39.04 | mheath | perl createFile.pl && pdftk file.pdf fill_form file.fdf |
| 21:39.23 | findlay | but you still need the form data to fill in with |
| 21:39.38 | findlay | that's the whole point anyway (: |
| 21:40.14 | mheath | ./gatherDataFromUser | perl generateFDF.pl && pdftk file.pdf fill_form file.fdf |
| 21:40.43 | findlay | and you have to validate it before shoving it into the pdf |
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| 22:05.03 | harleypig | heh ... vex has been vexed |
| 22:05.23 | Keighvin | ~lart harleypig |
| 22:05.33 | Keighvin | Shampoo! |
| 22:06.14 | harleypig | Realpoo! |
| 22:06.56 | harleypig | that would be better if it said savagely instead of severely |
| 22:08.11 | Keighvin | Any assault done with chickens, rubber or otherwise, should be called savage. |
| 22:08.17 | Keighvin | I agree with you. |
| 22:10.14 | harleypig | Savage Chickens! |
| 22:10.37 | harleypig | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/index.html |
| 22:14.22 | Jayce^ | harleypig, only you would be the one to automatically have a link ready to use when the keywords 'Savage' and 'Chiken' are used together.. |
| 22:16.47 | Keighvin | More disturbingly, he has them wired to a function key. |
| 22:17.00 | Keighvin | And the lettering is almost worn off. |
| 22:26.57 | harleypig | that would be choking ... not savage |
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| 22:42.48 | findlay | hi |
| 22:42.56 | vontrapp | yo |
| 22:43.29 | findlay | Sargun: I think I have wierd stuff in my asterisk configs, or kiax is wierd because apparently my problem is unique |
| 22:43.39 | findlay | ~yo |
| 22:43.41 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 22:43.42 | Sargun | what? |
| 22:44.12 | findlay | stuff is broken and there is a way to fix it |
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| 22:55.31 | bonez39 | I have two machines....one, my linux box, named 'scott' and another running win xp names 'seth'....I type mount /sethc (this is set up in /etc/fstab) and here's what i end up with.... |
| 22:55.43 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:/tmp$ mount /sethc |
| 22:55.43 | bonez39 | timeout connecting to 64.34.106.128:445 |
| 22:55.43 | bonez39 | timeout connecting to 64.34.106.128:139 |
| 22:55.43 | bonez39 | Error connecting to 64.34.106.128 (Operation already in progress) |
| 22:55.43 | bonez39 | 4477: Connection to seth failed |
| 22:55.44 | bonez39 | SMB connection failed |
| 22:55.53 | bonez39 | any ideas ... is samba not working? |
| 22:56.21 | bonez39 | I have 10.x.x.x seth set up in my /etc/hosts file...to tell my linux box where seth is.....at what address..... |
| 23:02.46 | levi | Meanwhile, I have learned how to change the display radix. Awesome. |
| 23:03.21 | Sargun | ~8ball hi |
| 23:03.23 | ibot | Are you smoking crack? |
| 23:03.25 | Sargun | ~8ball |
| 23:03.27 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes |
| 23:03.38 | Sargun | findlay, back alive |
| 23:03.41 | Sargun | sorry about that |
| 23:03.51 | Sargun | findlay, with KIAX + asterisk stuff breaks? |
| 23:05.52 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I eat this chicken? |
| 23:05.54 | ibot | Absolutely. |
| 23:06.10 | findlay | bonez39: the IP in your error message doesn't match the one from your /etc/hosts |
| 23:06.18 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I go change my clothing? |
| 23:06.20 | ibot | Are you smoking crack? |
| 23:06.41 | Sargun | findlay, with KIAX + asterisk stuff breaks, or with Asterisk + VoIP? |
| 23:06.46 | Sargun | err |
| 23:06.53 | Sargun | origination |
| 23:08.06 | findlay | Sargun: can you load this site: http://utaug.org/ |
| 23:08.14 | findlay | it's taking forever for me |
| 23:09.36 | Sargun | ok? |
| 23:10.05 | macnewbold | http://www.cs.byu.edu/feature/?section=display&id=200 |
| 23:10.06 | levi | Loads for me. |
| 23:10.11 | macnewbold | in case anyone is interested |
| 23:10.49 | levi | macnewbold: Know what he's going to be speaking about in particular? |
| 23:11.06 | Sargun | I'd go to UAUG, but its kind of far away |
| 23:12.28 | findlay | levi: how long does it take |
| 23:12.30 | findlay | ? |
| 23:12.36 | Sargun | 2 seconds |
| 23:12.42 | findlay | what!? |
| 23:12.52 | findlay | it takes like 5 minutes for me |
| 23:13.01 | levi | Took a few seconds for me. |
| 23:13.03 | Sargun | its hanging now |
| 23:13.10 | Sargun | 12.5 seconds this time |
| 23:13.28 | findlay | try loading the forum page |
| 23:13.39 | findlay | heh, lets see how long that takes |
| 23:16.19 | Sargun | 10.834 seconds |
| 23:20.18 | levi | Cool, calc even does units. And it can evaluate embedded equations in your text. It can also recognize LaTeX regions as equations and evaluate them. |
| 23:25.07 | macnewbold | levi: I have no idea, I just reposted the link that someone else posted in #uphpu. It's probably about ruby to some degree, I'd guess. |
| 23:30.48 | findlay | what is going on here? |
| 23:30.52 | findlay | this is truly strange |
| 23:31.14 | findlay | Sargun: you say it took 11 s to load http://utaug.org/?q=forum ? |
| 23:31.24 | findlay | because I'm still waiting after 20 minutes |
| 23:33.41 | findlay | no luck with firefox/konqueror/lynx |
| 23:34.27 | findlay | ok, this must be veracity's problem |
| 23:36.09 | Sargun | oh |
| 23:36.10 | Sargun | back |
| 23:36.20 | Sargun | veracity? |
| 23:36.38 | findlay | they are the joke of an ISP |
| 23:36.42 | herlo | findlay: I am in Sacramento, been waiting for over a minute |
| 23:37.01 | Sargun | What are you doing in Sacramento? |
| 23:37.04 | Sargun | :-P |
| 23:37.05 | findlay | herlo: but I just loaded it in like 5 seconds |
| 23:38.28 | herlo | findlay: strange |
| 23:38.43 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:39.07 | Sargun | not really... |
| 23:39.08 | findlay | from a remote host thoug |
| 23:39.10 | findlay | h |
| 23:39.16 | findlay | I still can't load the page here |
| 23:48.42 | findlay | I think the gods just don't want me to do VoIP |
| 23:49.47 | Sargun | bonez39, ping |
| 23:50.01 | Sargun | findlay, is it from KIAX to asterisk, or from asterisk to termination? |
| 23:52.53 | Sargun | for all sargun haters, I got cold water + me + cold weather at lunch today. |
| 23:53.23 | Tene | sweet |
| 23:57.44 | Sargun | Tene, I know |
| 23:57.48 | Sargun | :-( |
| 23:57.57 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I go to skits? |
| 23:58.01 | ibot | No. |
| 23:58.12 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I go to Homecoming? |
| 23:58.14 | ibot | Are you smoking crack? |
| 23:58.24 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I ask chealsea? |
| 23:58.25 | ibot | Please ask again. |
| 23:58.36 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I ask chealsea? |
| 23:58.37 | ibot | Unsure. |
| 23:58.41 | Sargun | .. |
| 23:58.49 | Sargun | ~8ball Should I ask Chelsea? |
| 23:58.50 | ibot | No. |
| 23:58.58 | Sargun | ok... |
| 23:58.59 | Sargun | fun. |
| 23:59.08 | Sargun | Ibot doesn't think a social life is important |
| 23:59.10 | ibot | Sargun: okay |
| 23:59.17 | Sargun | uhh |
| 23:59.38 | Sargun | ~doesn't think a social life |
| 23:59.40 | ibot | i guess doesn't think a social life is important |
| 23:59.46 | Sargun | lol |
