| 00:08.38 | *** join/#utah Sargun (n=xbmodder@atarack/staff/xbmodder) |
| 00:09.09 | Sargun | I know this is an extremely stupid question: What do you wear to homecoming? |
| 00:17.21 | goozbach | Sargun: a football jersy |
| 00:17.26 | goozbach | of your high school |
| 00:17.34 | Sargun | hm |
| 00:17.57 | Sargun | where can I get one of those? |
| 00:17.58 | goozbach | or other high school parafanalia |
| 00:18.06 | goozbach | high school colors |
| 00:18.14 | Sargun | purple and gold |
| 00:18.15 | goozbach | Sargun: date a football player |
| 00:18.19 | Sargun | all I need is a pimp-mobile |
| 00:18.24 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:18.28 | goozbach | or play football |
| 00:18.41 | goozbach | those are really your only two options |
| 00:18.45 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:19.02 | goozbach | or if you've got an older brother who played football, wear his |
| 00:58.52 | goozbach | so why don't relationships have an "off" switch? |
| 01:04.29 | Sargun | or a suspend to ram |
| 01:04.32 | Sargun | or suspend to disk |
| 01:04.42 | Sargun | feature |
| 01:05.47 | goozbach | I already used suspend to ram |
| 01:06.00 | goozbach | "lets take a break" |
| 01:06.50 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:07.26 | goozbach | now i just want it to end |
| 01:07.30 | Sargun | um |
| 01:07.49 | Sargun | uhis it you, or her? |
| 01:07.51 | Sargun | uh |
| 01:07.55 | Sargun | is it you, or her? |
| 01:07.55 | Sargun | hehe |
| 01:08.05 | Sargun | I'll assume her. |
| 01:08.34 | Sargun | Why don't you do the most obvious thing: tell the truth |
| 01:08.37 | Sargun | that never works. |
| 01:08.47 | goozbach | it's not either of us. |
| 01:09.01 | Sargun | um |
| 01:09.04 | goozbach | it's just not the right thing to ddo |
| 01:09.11 | Sargun | oh.... |
| 01:09.18 | Sargun | why don't you just tell her that |
| 01:09.22 | Sargun | in a more verbose way |
| 01:09.41 | Sargun | and hope nothing bad will happen |
| 01:10.01 | goozbach | i plan to, but here i sit in my car waiting for her to come back from her friends house |
| 01:10.22 | Sargun | ah |
| 01:10.23 | Sargun | fun |
| 01:10.30 | Sargun | in the dark, right? |
| 01:10.32 | Sargun | on your treo |
| 01:10.42 | goozbach | yup |
| 01:10.45 | Sargun | fun. |
| 01:10.55 | Sargun | (not really) |
| 01:11.26 | goozbach | gtg here |
| 01:11.44 | Sargun | did anyone else notice a huge DCC flood? |
| 01:11.48 | Sargun | goozbach, good luck |
| 01:11.50 | Sargun | goozbach, cya |
| 01:29.05 | findlay | ~dcc Sargun |
| 01:31.29 | Sargun | ~kick findlay |
| 01:31.33 | ibot | bugger off, sargun! |
| 01:31.38 | Sargun | -_- |
| 01:32.07 | findlay | ~pow |
| 01:32.09 | ibot | i heard pow is is is is |
| 01:32.09 | findlay | ~wham |
| 01:32.16 | findlay | ~batman |
| 01:32.17 | ibot | batman is probably dah dah duh duh dah dah du duh batman! |
| 01:32.56 | Sargun | ok? |
| 01:36.22 | findlay | no, I'm not ok, but thanks for asking |
| 01:42.15 | *** join/#utah hatchmt (n=mhatch@71-219-8-157.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 01:45.24 | findlay | ~ok spr |
| 01:45.26 | ibot | from memory, spr is A scholar, a gentleman and a guster fan. |
| 01:45.34 | findlay | ~ok Sargun |
| 01:45.35 | ibot | sargun is probably not anything |
| 01:45.41 | findlay | ~ok |
| 01:45.43 | ibot | fine |
| 01:45.48 | findlay | ~fine |
| 01:45.49 | ibot | hmm... fine is [WPI] adj. Good, but not good enough to be cuspy. The word `fine' is used elsewhere, of course, but without the implicit comparison to the higher level implied by cuspy. |
| 01:45.51 | Sargun | ~eat findlay |
| 01:45.53 | ibot | ACTION eats findlay and falls over dead |
| 01:46.02 | findlay | ~me |
| 01:46.03 | ibot | you are, like, wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock, or ibot is wierd, or asking too much of you, or crazy |
| 01:46.15 | findlay | ibot: forget me |
| 01:46.15 | ibot | findlay: i didn't have anything called 'me' to forget |
| 01:46.19 | findlay | ibot: forget findlay |
| 01:46.19 | ibot | i forgot findlay, findlay |
| 01:46.27 | findlay | ibot: remember findlay |
| 01:46.28 | ibot | How can i forget about findlay ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 01:49.29 | findlay | ~you |
| 01:49.31 | ibot | i'm a broken bot |
| 01:51.01 | mheath | LMAO, MIT sent me an application =P |
| 01:51.49 | Sargun | ... |
| 01:51.55 | Sargun | did you request one? |
| 01:52.19 | mheath | No. |
| 01:52.36 | findlay | ~apply mheath |
| 01:52.41 | mheath | Why would I be laughing at it if I requested one? |
| 01:52.47 | Sargun | because you mheath |
| 01:52.48 | Sargun | hehe |
| 01:52.49 | Sargun | :-P |
| 01:54.09 | findlay | Sargun: ever done any voip? |
| 01:54.18 | Sargun | sure |
| 01:54.22 | Sargun | Asterisk |
| 01:54.24 | Sargun | only |
| 01:54.28 | mheath | ~lart the CO of the local USNSCC group |
| 01:54.28 | findlay | with IAX? |
| 01:54.36 | Sargun | IAX/SIP |
| 01:54.49 | Sargun | none of those other _fun_ protocols |
| 01:54.50 | Sargun | though |
| 01:55.06 | findlay | some numbers I call there is no tx audio but the rest go through just fine. Any ideas? |
| 01:55.15 | findlay | same config, all IAX |
| 01:55.26 | Sargun | asterisk to asterisk? |
| 01:55.29 | findlay | yes |
| 01:55.31 | Sargun | and they are both public hosts |
| 01:56.15 | findlay | they are connections from my asterisk box to a PSTN gateway/voip provider who runs asterisk |
| 01:56.26 | findlay | all remote numbers involved are POTS |
| 01:56.29 | Sargun | what provider? |
| 01:56.34 | findlay | arrivaltel.com |
| 01:56.36 | Sargun | so its a public IP to public IP? |
| 01:56.38 | Sargun | ah |
| 01:56.41 | findlay | yes |
| 01:57.56 | findlay | arrivaltel seems to think it's a codec issue but they haven't gotten back to me |
| 01:58.07 | Sargun | what codec? |
| 01:58.12 | Sargun | are you accepting |
| 01:58.20 | findlay | ulaw and only ulaw |
| 01:58.31 | Sargun | accept all |
| 01:58.41 | findlay | why? |
| 01:59.05 | Sargun | just try it. |
| 01:59.08 | Sargun | for now |
| 01:59.36 | nick125_lappy | I think if you go into sip debug, it might tell you what codecs it supports |
| 01:59.52 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, I like the arrivaltel website |
| 01:59.53 | Sargun | IAX |
| 01:59.55 | findlay | nick125_lappy: all IAX2 (: |
| 01:59.56 | Sargun | 2 |
| 02:00.06 | findlay | ~hug iax |
| 02:00.07 | ibot | ACTION jumps into iax's lap and huggles and *hugs*! |
| 02:00.11 | nick125_lappy | eek..IAX |
| 02:00.18 | findlay | ooh, new ~hug |
| 02:00.19 | nick125_lappy | propietary codecs for the lose :( |
| 02:00.30 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 02:00.50 | Sargun | try to accept all |
| 02:00.53 | Sargun | err |
| 02:00.56 | nick125_lappy | asterisk is the only thing that uses IAX |
| 02:00.57 | Sargun | what happens when you accept all |
| 02:01.00 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, IAXy |
| 02:01.03 | findlay | ok, I'll try |
| 02:01.17 | nick125_lappy | I mean, few opensource PBXs support it |
| 02:01.18 | findlay | nick125_lappy: it's so much cleaner than SIP |
| 02:01.44 | nick125_lappy | but, its more or less a propietary format, only two devices on the market support it |
| 02:01.52 | findlay | that's true |
| 02:04.28 | findlay | hmm, now no rx audio |
| 02:05.03 | Sargun | hmm |
| 02:05.20 | findlay | I'm not seeing where it tells me where the codec is |
| 02:05.30 | Sargun | can you paste your debug? |
| 02:05.45 | findlay | I have iax2 debug enabled, but all I see is CODEC_PREFS : (ulaw) |
| 02:05.54 | Sargun | can I see the entire logs |
| 02:07.01 | findlay | http://rafb.net/paste/results/dsCUPx34.html |
| 02:07.56 | findlay | aha, it is ulaw |
| 02:07.58 | Sargun | allow=all |
| 02:08.14 | Sargun | notransfer=yes |
| 02:08.21 | Sargun | err |
| 02:08.23 | Sargun | nevermind |
| 02:08.24 | findlay | heh, forgot to change the config |
| 02:08.30 | Sargun | that might break arrivaltel |
| 02:08.32 | findlay | what's notransfer? |
| 02:08.35 | Sargun | allow=all though |
| 02:08.48 | Sargun | findlay, some companies use a seperate VoIP server |
| 02:08.56 | Sargun | for the audio stream |
| 02:09.13 | Sargun | With notransfer=yes you can prohibit Asterisk from stepping out of the media path and connecting the two endpoints directly to each other |
| 02:10.06 | findlay | still ulaw and still no rx audio |
| 02:10.29 | Sargun | qualify=yes |
| 02:11.51 | findlay | still no audio |
| 02:12.38 | Sargun | lets see |
| 02:12.43 | Sargun | you don't have a firewall |
| 02:12.44 | Sargun | do you? |
| 02:12.55 | findlay | nope |
| 02:13.35 | findlay | I do but it allows traffic on 4569 for arrivaltel.com |
| 02:14.04 | Sargun | it might be the audio stream |
| 02:14.08 | Sargun | is fuxxored. |
| 02:14.13 | Sargun | um |
| 02:14.14 | Sargun | well |
| 02:14.15 | Sargun | it is. |
| 02:14.16 | findlay | hey, audio |
| 02:14.22 | Sargun | how? |
| 02:14.26 | findlay | I turned off my firewall |
| 02:14.31 | Sargun | yeah |
| 02:14.31 | findlay | ?? |
| 02:14.37 | Sargun | it was blocking the incoming stream |
| 02:14.40 | Sargun | your on linux |
| 02:14.45 | Sargun | you don't need a firewall |
| 02:15.01 | findlay | I read that IAX specifically only uses UDP/4569 |
| 02:15.04 | Sargun | no |
| 02:15.05 | findlay | heh |
| 02:15.14 | Sargun | IAX is mainly used as a routing protocol. |
| 02:15.15 | findlay | strange |
| 02:15.21 | Sargun | it can also do some _FUN_ stuff |
| 02:15.28 | findlay | guess I should read the docs more fully |
| 02:15.33 | Sargun | regarding RTP streams |
| 02:15.38 | Sargun | I wouldn't have known either |
| 02:15.47 | findlay | out of the mouths of babes. Who knew |
| 02:15.51 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:15.55 | findlay | so IAX does RTP too? |
| 02:16.54 | Sargun | IIRC yeah |
| 02:17.07 | Sargun | or it supports an out-of-band audio stream |
| 02:17.12 | Sargun | fun stuff |
| 02:17.13 | Sargun | eh |
| 02:17.42 | findlay | spend all that time in your youth applying yourself to knowledge and you'll reap great rewards. When you're as old as I am you don't really have time for things that don't pertain immediately to your livelihood. (-: |
| 02:18.00 | findlay | yeah |
| 02:18.02 | findlay | thanks |
| 02:18.08 | Sargun | no problem |
| 02:18.30 | Sargun | thanks for the advice |
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| 02:22.03 | findlay | Sargun: didn't fix my rx audio problem |
| 02:22.15 | Sargun | nuking the firewall? |
| 02:22.18 | findlay | yeah |
| 02:22.25 | Sargun | and setting accept=all |
| 02:22.28 | findlay | yes |
| 02:22.30 | Sargun | hm |
| 02:22.47 | findlay | oh, wait, I have allow=all, not accept=all |
| 02:22.53 | Sargun | err |
| 02:22.57 | Sargun | use the prior |
| 02:22.59 | Sargun | I was being stupid |
| 02:23.13 | Sargun | um |
| 02:23.13 | Sargun | qualify=yes |
| 02:23.37 | findlay | yes |
| 02:25.23 | findlay | but it only does it on certain numbers |
| 02:25.52 | Sargun | like PSTN only? |
| 02:25.59 | findlay | all numbers I've called are PSTN |
| 02:26.10 | findlay | some cell and some POTS |
| 02:26.15 | Sargun | does it work on any? |
| 02:26.23 | findlay | yes, it works on most |
| 02:26.36 | Sargun | you don't have an ugly dial plan do you? |
| 02:26.41 | findlay | nope |
| 02:26.46 | Sargun | if one works |
| 02:26.50 | Sargun | hmm |
| 02:26.51 | Sargun | wait |
| 02:26.55 | Sargun | which ones work |
| 02:26.57 | Sargun | and which ones don't |
| 02:27.00 | Sargun | (which provider) |
| 02:27.06 | Sargun | on other end |
| 02:28.07 | findlay | that's the wierd part. Two cingular cells don't work and one qwest while I have a qwest and a few other cingular cells that do work |
| 02:28.57 | findlay | so I'm thinking there is a certain node on the route that these calls go through because so far they are all geographically in the same direction |
| 02:28.57 | Sargun | can I have NXX-NPA |
| 02:29.00 | Sargun | of the ones that work |
| 02:29.03 | Sargun | and the ones that don't |
| 02:29.18 | findlay | what's nnx-npa? |
| 02:29.27 | Sargun | first 6 digits of phone number |
| 02:29.33 | Sargun | like 2 of each |
| 02:31.14 | findlay | so, area code-exchange code |
| 02:36.07 | mheath | Sargun is 31337 9H0N3 4R3A|<. |
| 02:36.38 | Sargun | eleet phone areak |
| 02:36.39 | Sargun | ? |
| 02:36.42 | Sargun | phreak? |
| 02:37.03 | mheath | 4 can be F. |
| 02:37.20 | mheath | I think it's a better F than A. A you have to add on weird things. |
| 02:37.29 | mheath | F you just turn one part. |
| 02:37.47 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:37.54 | Sargun | too confuzzing for me |
| 02:37.55 | mheath | Sargun: pardon me for not observing your holiness by spelling it with a PH rather than an F. |
| 02:38.03 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:38.29 | mheath | thats right, you got banned from #gentoo by asking questions about illegal phone modding. |
| 02:38.49 | nick125_lappy | one correction: unlocking cell phones isn't illegal |
| 02:39.03 | nick125_lappy | some carriers want to make it illegal |
| 02:39.12 | Sargun | mheath, yes, and I was banned because perry753 = xbmodder = Sargun |
| 02:39.19 | nick125_lappy | why? because they want more $$$ |
| 02:39.20 | Sargun | Which I have no idea |
| 02:39.23 | Sargun | how that works |
| 02:39.30 | mheath | perry753 is you, I think. |
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| 02:39.51 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 02:40.03 | Sargun | ~lart mheath |
| 02:42.12 | mheath | Sargun: It fits. A completely annoying idiot who does the exact same things you do (seems to be around at the same times, sits in the same channels as you (even ones that are completely inappropriate for either of you, like #utah), and conveniently takes the blame for you. |
| 02:42.35 | nick125_lappy | unlocking them is legal, unblocking/ESN changes are illegal |
| 02:42.39 | Sargun | ah, but he uses redhat |
| 02:42.55 | mheath | Sargun: you spent a lot of time getting redhat certified, didn't you? |
| 02:43.00 | mheath | :-) |
| 02:43.02 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:43.04 | Sargun | 3 weeks |
| 02:43.27 | mheath | And then tried to show off by posting an article on Digg about how you passed it! |
| 02:43.37 | mheath | OMG! Everyone look at me! I PASSED A TEST! |
| 02:44.40 | nick125_lappy | personally, I think locking the phones to begin with is illegal...but, thats me |
| 02:45.40 | mheath | god, today would have gone so much better if I hadn't spent it all at the freakin hospital |
| 02:45.44 | findlay | nick125_lappy: me to |
| 02:45.46 | mheath | I was supposed to have a date tonight. |
| 02:45.54 | findlay | ~date mheath |
| 02:46.58 | findlay | Sargun: so you use telasip? |
| 02:49.08 | mheath | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/15/2230257&from=rss |
| 02:49.23 | mheath | Don't we already have that? I think they call it a "Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier". |
| 02:49.50 | mheath | Or even more, an Enterprise-class. |
| 02:50.11 | findlay | I think there's a new Reagan class |
| 02:51.19 | mheath | findlay: Reagan is Nimitz class. |
| 02:56.52 | vontrapp | what about phone locking? what's that? |
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| 03:03.36 | maquis | mheath: the abe lincoln is nimitz-class |
| 03:05.36 | mheath | Yes, I know. I never said it wasn't. O.o |
| 03:07.53 | maquis | i just noticed that you mentioned it |
| 03:08.57 | mheath | Most active cariers are Nimitz |
| 03:09.11 | mheath | Excepting the Kitty Hawk, the Enterprise, and I think there is one other... |
| 03:09.57 | mheath | USS George H. W. Bush (entirely inappropriate to name an aircraft carrier after, imho, because it's not a particularly noteable president and he served very recently, and is still living) will be the last |
| 03:10.26 | mheath | The one afte that is CVN-21 (21st Century Supercarrier), which is a complete redesign |
| 03:10.37 | mheath | *is a |
| 03:11.07 | mheath | It is not hull number "CVN-21", CVN-21 is just what the new concept of ship they're designing is |
| 03:22.05 | Sargun | oh |
| 03:22.06 | Sargun | back |
| 03:22.08 | Sargun | findlay, I use iax.cc |
| 03:22.20 | Sargun | mheath, what happened? |
| 03:23.23 | Sargun | vontrapp, its when your provider sets a variable in your cell phone's OS |
| 03:23.32 | Sargun | which locks it to a particular provider |
| 03:24.37 | Sargun | ~poke y'all |
| 03:24.38 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind y'all, pokes y'all repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:27.46 | mheath | My current phone has horrible voice quality |
| 03:27.58 | mheath | And I'm thinking that after I move to SLC, my cell phone will probably become my primary phone |
| 03:28.47 | nick125_lappy | what kind of phone do you have currently? |
| 03:28.49 | findlay | Sargun: are they reliable, etc.? |
| 03:29.09 | Sargun | Telasip - 98% uptime |
| 03:29.22 | Sargun | Teliax - 92% uptime (but when it worked, it worked damn good) |
| 03:29.28 | mheath | nick125_lappy: just a cheap one, got it for free when we signed up. |
| 03:29.29 | Sargun | IAX.cc - 99% uptime |
| 03:29.41 | Sargun | Speakeasy - 99% uptime |
| 03:29.44 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: when they don't cut your account off for "abuse" ... |
| 03:29.49 | nick125_lappy | (iax.cc) |
| 03:29.59 | nick125_lappy | for making a 4 hour phone call |
| 03:30.00 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, I found out it wasn't iax.cc's fault |
| 03:30.07 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: who was it then? |
| 03:30.12 | Sargun | I had auto-pay on on the account |
| 03:30.16 | Sargun | through PP |
| 03:30.29 | nick125_lappy | was there money in the account? |
| 03:30.32 | Sargun | mheath, why were you in the hospital? |
| 03:30.32 | findlay | what's .cc? is that a country code tld? |
| 03:30.34 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, yeah. |
| 03:30.47 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: why did they cut it off though..thats my thing |
| 03:30.56 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, They didn't cut off |
| 03:31.00 | Sargun | out balance hit 0 |
| 03:31.04 | Sargun | our |
| 03:31.10 | nick125_lappy | how did that happen? |
| 03:31.10 | mheath | Sargun: my dad was in the hospital having his appendix removed. |
| 03:31.11 | Sargun | retarded PP didn't give them more money |
| 03:31.15 | mheath | I was there with him. |
| 03:31.22 | Sargun | Ack, is he ok? |
| 03:31.30 | mheath | Yes. |
| 03:31.38 | Sargun | Thats good. |
| 03:31.45 | Sargun | What phone/provider do you have? |
| 03:31.58 | mheath | Is 'appendix' the right way to spell the anatomical part? Seems weird/silly spelling it that way, for some reason. |
| 03:32.21 | nick125_lappy | yeah, it is |
| 03:33.21 | Sargun | findlay, me and nick125 were going to start-up a voip phone card company |
| 03:33.25 | Sargun | so I |
| 03:33.31 | mheath | Sargun: Verizon. |
| 03:33.36 | Sargun | have had fun testing out voip comapanies |
| 03:33.41 | nick125_lappy | eek...CDMA :/ |
| 03:33.48 | Sargun | mheath, Thats insanely good. |
| 03:33.54 | Sargun | CDMA FTW |
| 03:34.14 | nick125_lappy | dude, GSM > CDMA |
| 03:34.24 | findlay | Sargun: how'd you do it without a CCN? (: |
| 03:34.31 | mheath | nick125_lappy: guess what, though? |
| 03:34.41 | Sargun | CCN? |
| 03:34.46 | nick125_lappy | mheath: what? |
| 03:34.47 | findlay | credit card number |
| 03:34.48 | mheath | On our ranch in Colorado, _all_ verizon wireless phones have perfect signal |
| 03:34.59 | mheath | NO Cingular phones have it |
| 03:35.10 | mheath | Why? Because GSM phones don't work with the old analog towers anymore |
| 03:35.11 | mheath | :) |
| 03:35.44 | nick125_lappy | thats probably the only time CDMA is good, is the ability to fall back on analog towers |
| 03:35.47 | nick125_lappy | but, only some phones do it |
| 03:36.06 | mheath | nick125_lappy: most phones do it. |
| 03:36.18 | mheath | Hmm, how much do Treo's or some other nice smart phone cost? |
| 03:36.21 | mheath | With a contract |
| 03:36.27 | nick125_lappy | last I heard, Verizon only had 3-4 phones that still supported analog |
| 03:36.31 | mheath | Are they still ~400? |
| 03:36.38 | nick125_lappy | 650? 700w? |
| 03:36.45 | nick125_lappy | 700p? |
| 03:36.46 | Tene | check ebay |
| 03:36.47 | Sargun | uh |
| 03:36.49 | nick125_lappy | which model |
| 03:37.04 | mheath | nick125_lappy: when we shopped (granted, this was a few years ago), all but 3-4 supported analog. |
| 03:37.04 | findlay | so you settled on iax.cc then |
| 03:37.09 | Sargun | findlay, telasip is basically level3 and a couple other comanies |
| 03:37.17 | mheath | nick125_lappy: Whichever one I can go to the cell provider and buy. |
| 03:37.24 | findlay | interesting |
| 03:37.32 | nick125_lappy | from verizon..lets see |
| 03:37.40 | mheath | I don't want to bother with buying phones on ebay, and unlocking them, and activating them manually with the provider, or any of that crap. |
| 03:38.01 | nick125_lappy | it looks like they don't have a 650 model |
| 03:38.01 | nick125_lappy | 700w and 700p in the treo |
| 03:38.12 | findlay | ~Sargun++ |
| 03:38.13 | nick125_lappy | they have a PPC-6700/XV6700 for $300 |
| 03:38.22 | Tene | My treo was purchased on ebay. Just took it to the sprint store and said "Make my phone go." and they did. |
| 03:38.25 | Sargun | heh |
| 03:38.31 | Sargun | I love my PPC |
| 03:38.35 | findlay | for testing all those VoIP providers |
| 03:38.43 | nick125_lappy | Tene: but, in that case, you have to worry about the ESN being blocked |
| 03:39.05 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 03:39.20 | nick125_lappy | mheath: you could possibly go to a 3rd party dealer and get a 650.. |
| 03:39.35 | nick125_lappy | it would probably be a little cheaper |
| 03:39.39 | mheath | Whats a nice type of phone to get that falls in the ~75 - $150 range (with a contract) and has GOOD audio quality? |
| 03:40.58 | nick125_lappy | verizon has the motorola Q which, after rebate, would be $100 |
| 03:42.17 | mheath | wow, really? |
| 03:42.18 | mheath | hmm |
| 03:42.21 | nick125_lappy | and, most of the reviews on the Q seem decent |
| 03:42.28 | nick125_lappy | mheath: least according to verizon's site |
| 03:42.46 | nick125_lappy | $199 before a $100 rebate |
| 03:43.57 | nick125_lappy | they have another device, the samsung i830, but, it has no rebate on it |
| 03:44.16 | nick125_lappy | er i730 |
| 03:44.29 | nick125_lappy | let me check something on that rebate.. |
| 03:44.29 | nick125_lappy | hold on |
| 03:45.58 | nick125_lappy | they might require a data plan with it |
| 03:50.30 | nick125_lappy | ugh, I can't find the rebate form |
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| 03:55.00 | findlay | Kuyaedz: basically kde has lots of way cool features and gnome has (mostly) better designed apps that for me translates into "less annoying apps", not that they aren't annoying, but just less |
| 03:55.06 | mheath | findlay: you lived in student housing at the U, se? |
| 03:55.10 | findlay | no |
| 03:55.25 | mheath | :( |
| 03:56.11 | findlay | mheath: don't get down. If you want an authentic freshman dorm experience you're going to get it. |
| 03:56.25 | findlay | chances are good that you'll *really* get it (-: |
| 03:56.57 | nick125_lappy | hmm, SuSE is moving from ReiserFS to ext3.. |
| 03:59.38 | mheath | findlay: no, I keep looking to find someone to ask a question about housing |
| 04:00.21 | Sargun | back alive |
| 04:01.52 | Kuyaedz | findlay: thanks |
| 04:02.32 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, yeah |
| 04:02.50 | Sargun | findlay, plainvoip - decent |
| 04:03.47 | Kuyaedz | findlay: I assume you mainly use gnome then? |
| 04:03.49 | findlay | the most disgusting thing about KDE is that konsole sabotages bitmap fonts |
| 04:04.14 | Tene | howso? |
| 04:04.14 | findlay | I've been using fluxbox+gnome-terminal and a few kde apps when I need them |
| 04:04.17 | Sargun | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Comtel+Networks < ok, kind difficult to setup |
| 04:04.40 | Sargun | voxee - great for international |
| 04:04.52 | findlay | and gnumeric |
| 04:05.04 | findlay | gnumeric is blazingly fast |
| 04:05.17 | findlay | oocalc takes an eternity to load compared to gnumeric |
| 04:05.35 | Kuyaedz | findlay: I used Xfce for quite some time but I found it didn't support my hardware keys (volume, etc) and wouldn't auto-mount usb volumes |
| 04:06.30 | findlay | Tene: it treats bitmap fonts like normal fonts by trying antialiasing and other nasty interpolations that destroy the stark cleanliness |
| 04:07.05 | findlay | the whole point of a bitmap font is that each pixel is placed in exactly the right place for readability |
| 04:07.35 | Tene | odd... |
| 04:09.32 | findlay | gnome usually feels more comfortable but I also appreciate that fluxbox gives me unlimited customisibility |
| 04:09.35 | Sargun | oocalc is fun |
| 04:09.45 | mheath | findlay: no, I think the whole point is "Whats a good format for fonts, considering that Truetype and other vector fonts haven't been invented yet?", but point taken :P |
| 04:10.52 | findlay | mheath: say what you want but until scalable vector fonts become as clear as bitmap ones I'll prefer bitmaps for the editor and command line (: |
| 04:11.25 | nick125_lappy | whats a decent opensource forums system? |
| 04:11.33 | mheath | phpbb. |
| 04:11.37 | findlay | phpbb, heh |
| 04:11.49 | nick125_lappy | ...that doesn't have a billion security vulnerabilities |
| 04:11.54 | Tene | Just get a 10k dpi display, findlay. |
| 04:12.11 | findlay | Tene: will you get me one for Christmas? |
| 04:12.23 | mheath | Tene: It's still starkly clean. The blocks are very clean, thank you very much. |
| 04:12.25 | findlay | nick125_lappy: mailman |
| 04:12.26 | mheath | ;-P |
| 04:12.36 | nick125_lappy | ugh.. |
| 04:12.43 | nick125_lappy | phpbb.com is down :P |
| 04:12.44 | findlay | (: |
| 04:12.51 | nick125_lappy | let me guess, phpbb3 got released or something.. |
| 04:13.08 | Tene | mheath: buh ... duh... wha... eh? what? |
| 04:13.43 | mheath | Nevermind. :P |
| 04:14.19 | Tene | ??? |
| 04:15.43 | mheath | hmmm |
| 04:15.51 | mheath | Do they make a cellphone for a person that wants a phone? |
| 04:16.00 | mheath | I see the text messaing phone, the video playing phone, and the music phone. |
| 04:16.01 | mheath | :P |
| 04:16.14 | nick125_lappy | no |
| 04:16.15 | Kuyaedz | nick125_lappy: SMF forums is decent |
| 04:16.16 | nick125_lappy | they don't |
| 04:17.07 | Sargun | mheath, yeah |
| 04:17.31 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:17.33 | Sargun | somewhere |
| 04:17.46 | nick125_lappy | I think I might try SMF.. |
| 04:17.54 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: i'm putting up new atarack forums btw |
| 04:18.11 | mheath | I want a plain phone |
| 04:18.23 | mheath | One that applies the spiffy new digital technology to improve the phone calls |
| 04:18.28 | mheath | I don't want a camear |
| 04:18.31 | mheath | *camera |
| 04:18.41 | mheath | Nor internet access, nor digital media capabilities |
| 04:18.45 | mheath | Nor bluetooth capability |
| 04:18.52 | nick125_lappy | they might have one phone.. |
| 04:18.53 | Tene | my old phone doesn't have any of that. |
| 04:18.55 | mheath | Nor video playing capabilities |
| 04:19.15 | nick125_lappy | the LG Migo doesn't do all that... |
| 04:19.44 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 04:19.46 | ibot | pong |
| 04:19.53 | nick125_lappy | they got the PN-210 |
| 04:19.57 | nick125_lappy | which seems to be basic |
| 04:20.02 | nick125_lappy | speakerphone and text messaging |
| 04:20.03 | Sargun | can you get a CDMA modem |
| 04:20.07 | Sargun | voice CDMA modem? |
| 04:20.09 | mheath | nick125_lappy: lmao, I was looking at the Migo's info page when you said that |
| 04:20.12 | Tene | it's a nokia 6016i |
| 04:20.15 | mheath | (wondering "What the hell is this?") |
| 04:20.45 | nick125_lappy | " |
| 04:20.46 | nick125_lappy | Note: The LG Migo does not support Voicemail, Get It Now, Web Browsing or sending and receiving text messages. " |
| 04:21.01 | Sargun | 1eheh |
| 04:21.09 | Sargun | hehe |
| 04:21.11 | mheath | nick125_lappy: The Migo also only allows you to call your parents. |
| 04:21.14 | Tene | worked well for me as "just a phone" |
| 04:21.21 | nick125_lappy | mheath: yeah.. |
| 04:21.29 | nick125_lappy | :/ |
| 04:21.30 | nick125_lappy | hmm |
| 04:21.36 | nick125_lappy | might want to look into that PN-210 |
| 04:21.43 | Sargun | are there any verizon/sprint compatible cdma modems |
| 04:21.50 | Sargun | voice |
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| 04:59.33 | tensai | findlay: did you get your iax working? |
| 05:01.08 | Sargun | YAY! |
| 05:01.10 | Sargun | IT WORKS! |
| 05:01.18 | Sargun | I've CRACKED THE CODE! |
| 05:01.35 | tensai | findlay: oh yeah, I also had a question for you. do you know what the song from 2001: A space oddessy when the monkeys discover tools is? |
| 05:02.43 | Tene | So, where for getting airplane tickets? |
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| 13:04.40 | graphyx | SO tell me, now that Linux has a realtime element to its kernel what does that buy us? |
| 13:15.25 | goozbach | graphyx: not much, unless you're doing things such as sonar with a linux device |
| 13:15.45 | goozbach | it's a small-purpose technology |
| 13:16.05 | goozbach | time critical applications, usually embedded applances |
| 13:16.41 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 13:30.40 | elg | audio |
| 13:30.41 | elg | audio |
| 13:30.42 | elg | audio |
| 13:30.43 | elg | audio |
| 13:30.48 | elg | very very very important for audio |
| 13:31.01 | elg | as in recording, editing, etc. and video too |
| 13:31.05 | elg | not as in playback |
| 13:32.06 | elg | and realtime control, e.g. if you want to control your remote control airplane in the living room automatically with linux, or convert an old dot matrix printer into a ruler balancer |
| 13:32.22 | elg | or whatever more serious control application |
| 13:37.21 | goozbach | oh yeah, audio |
| 13:37.30 | goozbach | that's another possiblitily |
| 13:37.35 | elg | the regular user sees a lot of side effect benefits, too |
| 13:38.04 | elg | all the whittling down of the Big Kernel Lock and so forth, for example, is a direct result of us audio nuts trying to get good realtime |
| 13:38.29 | elg | and that makes your machine more responsive, smoother, etc. even if you don't use the hardcore realtime settings |
| 13:38.52 | elg | another possible use: gaming. |
| 13:39.44 | elg | games like to use all the CPU, etc. if running that game is The Most Important Thing at that moment, you could run it with realtime priority and it won't be interrupted unduly when your window manager decides it's time to rearrange its sock drawer |
| 13:40.47 | elg | just giving a game realtime priority out of the blue may not be what you want, though, because some games may not be programmed to play fair. IOW with realtime they would really be able to use the entire CPU and not just whatever they can get away with |
| 13:40.57 | elg | which may not be good, depending on various things |
| 13:41.58 | graphyx | cool. |
| 13:42.02 | graphyx | Good to know. |
| 13:42.23 | graphyx | So real time is a way to give the specified AP absolute control over the CPU then? |
| 13:42.29 | graphyx | Or is it more than just that? |
| 13:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ugh, gonna be a long day. |
| 13:44.58 | elg | well, it's a way to guarantee cpu time and latency |
| 13:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Woken up at 7:30 with "Help, I can't login" |
| 13:45.17 | elg | the guarantee of cpu time isn't absolute, but comes because of the latency guarantee. sort of. :) |
| 13:45.54 | elg | there's several schemes. but for most people, there's the nonrealtime stuff, and the realtime stuff. the realtime stuff always has higher priority than the nonrealtime stuff |
| 13:46.22 | elg | so if it's going as hard as it can like oh a flight simulator, then it wouldn't be sharing very well |
| 13:47.16 | elg | realtime apps have a scheduling scheme and a priority, and that's what decides how much time they get when. |
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| 14:05.29 | levi | How 'realtime' is the realtime stuff in the kernel? |
| 14:05.35 | levi | I don't imagine it gives any hard guarantees, does it? |
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| 14:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | uuggghhh |
| 14:12.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Power outages suck |
| 14:13.10 | nick125_lappy | I got up this morning, and, one of my diskless boxes locked up because my server went offline |
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| 14:13.50 | levi | ScytheBlade1: I woke up at 7:30 to a crying baby. |
| 14:13.54 | nick125_lappy | the box is hooked up to a UPS, and, even though there was a power flicker last night, it shouldn't have gone offline |
| 14:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, I woke up at 7:30 to crying *users* |
| 14:15.25 | elg | http://xkcd.com/c171.html |
| 14:15.43 | elg | ooh, I hate crying users. I'd rather wake up to a crying baby any day |
| 14:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Seconded. |
| 14:17.36 | levi | I'd rather sleep. :P |
| 14:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, you've got me there. |
| 14:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | There's one thing we can agree on, haha. |
| 14:18.02 | elg | not me, sleep is for the weak |
| 14:18.07 | elg | I'd rather just not get tired |
| 14:18.10 | elg | alas, I'm weak |
| 14:18.20 | levi | As we all are. |
| 14:18.27 | levi | Getting old, too. :P |
| 14:21.12 | levi | Speaking of which: http://xkcd.com/c166.html |
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| 14:25.00 | elg | levi: we'd never do that |
| 14:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://xkcd.com/c155.html <-- that one is pretty good |
| 14:29.13 | levi | elg: I'm so tempted to go to that UUG meeting on C. |
| 14:29.22 | elg | mtg on C? |
| 14:29.55 | levi | elg: http://students.cs.byu.edu/~jamie/byronflier.pdf |
| 14:30.25 | mheath | Does anyone know if UU will give you a students.cs.utah.edu-like space? |
| 14:30.30 | elg | looks fun |
| 14:30.40 | elg | mheath: definitely maybe |
| 14:30.49 | elg | we got it at BYU and here at NMSU |
| 14:31.41 | levi | I would only be there to point out all the nasty ugliness of C, though, and campaign for its abandonment. ;P\ |
| 14:32.08 | mheath | levi: it's not the most elegant language out there, but you can't argue that it IS functional. |
| 14:32.16 | mheath | :-) |
| 14:32.26 | mheath | ~java levi |
| 14:32.51 | levi | mheath: So is Cobol, but you don't see anyone writing Cobol apps for fun. |
| 14:34.15 | mheath | I think Cobol can be far more functional than, say, LISP. That just depends on what your idea of "functional" is. |
| 14:34.18 | mheath | :-) |
| 14:34.42 | levi | (I am assuming, of course, that you mean 'functional' in the sense that programs that are written correctly with it work. Not 'functional' as in modeled after mathematical functions, which C and Cobol are clearly not.) |
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| 14:35.01 | levi | mheath: Spoken as someone with no familiarity with Lisp. |
| 14:35.10 | levi | mheath: Or cobol, apparently. |
| 14:35.55 | mheath | levi: Cobol is a very functional language, if you are a strict high-level suit in a business back in the 1960's who has no idea how to programming or what the programmers do, but wants to be impressed when you look at the code. |
| 14:36.43 | mheath | It's so rigidly business-like in it's nature. I don't know if it's possible to have a bureacratic programming language, but they came close. |
| 14:36.51 | levi | mheath: That definition is rendered void by the fact that it is not, and never will be again, the 1960s. |
| 14:38.20 | mheath | Sure it will. I just need to invent my time machine first. |
| 14:38.45 | levi | Meanwhile, Cobol continues to be used almost entirely because there is so much code around written in it. Alas, I fear the same fate for C. |
| 14:40.01 | tristanbob | Jayce^: I played paintball for the first time this weekend |
| 14:40.09 | graphyx | Did you win? |
| 14:40.32 | mheath | Last time I played paintball, we kicked butt. :P |
| 14:40.47 | graphyx | anyone seen mobsters and momons? |
| 14:40.57 | mheath | Granted, that was a USMC Recruiting DEP event. Mostly a bunch of Marines going against some lackluster locals. |
| 14:40.59 | graphyx | or is it mormans and mobsters? |
| 14:41.07 | graphyx | freakk I can spell today. |
| 14:41.16 | graphyx | Mormons and Mobsters. |
| 14:41.59 | tristanbob | graphyx: no, my team didn't win any of the game |
| 14:42.08 | graphyx | tristanbob: was it your fault? |
| 14:42.12 | tristanbob | it was pretty depressing |
| 14:42.20 | graphyx | j/k I haven't played paintball since I was 14. |
| 14:42.29 | graphyx | and I only played once. |
| 14:42.40 | tristanbob | graphyx: probably - :) - that and I had a rented gun that shot 1/4 the speed of my opponnent |
| 14:43.02 | graphyx | Assuming that speed= distance. |
| 14:43.04 | graphyx | That doesn't help. |
| 14:43.12 | tristanbob | speed = rate of fire |
| 14:43.20 | mheath | He means rounds per second. |
| 14:43.29 | mheath | Not round velocity. |
| 14:43.34 | tristanbob | right |
| 14:43.46 | mheath | ~shoort tristanbob |
| 14:43.56 | graphyx | ahh... |
| 14:44.03 | graphyx | So you were semi auto and they had auto? |
| 14:44.04 | mheath | ~shoot tristanbob |
| 14:44.06 | ibot | ACTION shoots tristanbob in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 14:44.23 | tristanbob | graphyx: right |
| 14:44.36 | tristanbob | and my shots all curved in different directions |
| 14:44.41 | tristanbob | cheap paint and cheap gun |
| 14:44.50 | mheath | ~loan tristanbob a gun |
| 14:44.54 | tristanbob | meanwhile they had laser-guided, heat-seaking paintballs |
| 14:45.05 | graphyx | so they had professional gear and you had something that was less than top quality. |
| 14:45.07 | graphyx | That sucks. |
| 14:45.21 | tristanbob | yes - that was not our only problem, but the most obvious |
| 14:45.27 | tristanbob | we didn't work as a team, and they did |
| 14:45.34 | graphyx | Sounds like it wasn't exactly a get a bunch of friends together and split up with similar hardware. |
| 14:45.51 | tristanbob | it was almost scary to hear them shout out commands as they hunted us down and eliminate us |
| 14:45.51 | graphyx | More like a biggest gun wins event.. |
| 14:45.58 | graphyx | tristanbob: ouch.. |
| 14:46.10 | graphyx | basically you needed a shirt with pwn3d on it.. |
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| 14:46.37 | tristanbob | "move forward!!!...... move forward!!!!.....take the left!!! go go go go!!!" |
| 14:49.14 | mheath | tristanbob: have fun, though? |
| 14:49.31 | tristanbob | mheath: yes! I want to go again |
| 14:49.58 | tristanbob | although I'd like to get at least average hardware and paintballs |
| 14:50.09 | graphyx | And another addict has been created. ;) |
| 14:50.12 | mheath | tristanbob: are you going to college right now? |
| 14:50.43 | tristanbob | mheath: no - I graduated in 2003 |
| 14:50.50 | mheath | oh, wow. From college? |
| 14:52.01 | mheath | tristanbob: you could play a giant game of paintball for a living, you know. :-) |
| 14:52.47 | mheath | As a Lieutenant of Marines, with good pay, good benefits. ;-) |
| 14:52.51 | mheath | </recruiter> |
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| 14:56.29 | levi | mheath: That's disgusting. |
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| 14:57.05 | graphyx | mheath: I think there might be a small difference between paintball and live ammunition. |
| 14:57.07 | mheath | levi: I wasn't trying to suggest anything disgusting. I realize there may have been some implications in what I said. |
| 14:57.09 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 14:57.28 | mheath | graphyx: Slightly, yes ;-) |
| 14:57.47 | emcnabb | mheath should join the marines if it's such a great place to work |
| 14:58.24 | mheath | ~lart University of Utah medical |
| 14:59.02 | mheath | Takes forever to even get an appointment there. And it's not like I'm going to walk out of there with a clear diagnosis...that doctor just coordinates about 12 other doctor visits I'll have to have |
| 14:59.09 | mheath | BEFORE I can get diagnosed |
| 14:59.47 | nick125_lappy | so, you might get a diagnosis..how long have you been trying to get this appointment? |
| 15:00.01 | mheath | nick125_lappy: about a month and a half now. |
| 15:00.15 | mheath | They sent me a giant packet of paperwork to complete, a few weeks back |
| 15:00.22 | mheath | completed it, sent it back |
| 15:00.25 | nick125_lappy | so, you might get a diagnosis in..18 months or so.. |
| 15:01.38 | graphyx | The results are back. I have good news and bad news. The bad news is you have 2 months to live. The good news is that you had two months to live from when the sample was taken 3 months ago, so you are doing better than expected... |
| 15:02.09 | nick125_lappy | hah |
| 15:02.26 | mheath | I'm hoping that, on the off chance that I'm NOT diagnosed with Marfan's Syndrome (looking at all the info on the web, I probably will be), I MIGHT be able to convince a doctor to let me into the Marine Corps again. |
| 15:02.52 | mheath | I still have loose joints. |
| 15:03.31 | mheath | and that might cause some problems whether or not I have Marfan's. |
| 15:07.22 | Jayce^ | tristanbob, where did you play? |
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| 15:29.57 | goozbach | ~shoot paintballs |
| 15:30.00 | ibot | ACTION shoots paintballs in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 15:30.07 | Jayce^ | goozbach, missed a good day |
| 15:30.22 | Jayce^ | now if you could just be here next weekend |
| 15:37.04 | goozbach | next weekend? |
| 15:37.45 | goozbach | Jayce^: anything going on from 11-13, to 11-25? |
| 15:37.50 | goozbach | I'll be home then |
| 15:38.11 | Jayce^ | not sure about then, I'll be gone the second of those |
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| 15:38.48 | Jayce^ | this weekend is tough, going to http://www.westrim.net/rangerball |
| 15:39.01 | Jayce^ | but our team just made the sppl finals (national).. |
| 15:39.09 | Jayce^ | sponsor is picking up entry and half of paint |
| 15:39.12 | Jayce^ | but not travel :( |
| 15:39.15 | Jayce^ | it's in OK |
| 15:40.58 | mheath | With Traxs and the commuter line...hmmm. |
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| 15:46.45 | mheath | Indeed. Oink. |
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| 15:52.11 | goozbach | moo! |
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| 16:17.31 | findlay | tensai: no, and It's been a long time since I have seen 2001. Perhaps you could hum it for us |
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| 16:29.14 | levi | tensai: Richard Strauss, Also Sprach Zarathustra. |
| 16:30.05 | levi | tensai: The section called "Dawn", specifically. |
| 16:32.12 | tristanbob | Jayce^: I played paintball near Grand Junction, in Glade Park |
| 16:32.28 | tristanbob | Jayce^: there were pinyon trees, some large rocks, and some elevation to play with |
| 16:32.35 | Jayce^ | cool |
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| 16:33.17 | tristanbob | we had 23 players |
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| 16:33.47 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 16:33.57 | Jayce^ | what kind of equipment did you have? |
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| 16:38.49 | tristanbob | Jayce^: I had a no-name gun that was rented, probably came in a kit for less than $100 |
| 16:39.21 | tristanbob | my brother has a tippman custom pro with e-grip |
| 16:39.52 | tristanbob | I don't want to use that cheap of a gun again - I'd like a faster rate of fire and more accuracy |
| 16:40.26 | tristanbob | perhaps a Tippman A5 would be a good starter gun |
| 16:42.55 | findlay | tensai: it's the famous Karajan/Wiener Philharmoniker recording (1956?). I understand the director specifically wanted that recording. Karajan had a special way with Strauss |
| 16:43.28 | Jayce^ | a5's are very nice |
| 16:43.42 | vontrapp | accuracy is all you need |
| 16:43.48 | vontrapp | who cares about rate of fire |
| 16:43.56 | vontrapp | one shot, one kill, baby |
| 16:44.03 | Jayce^ | most n00bs that don't know how to play :) |
| 16:44.18 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, funny you mention that, my shirt today talks about just that :) |
| 16:44.49 | Jayce^ | 30bps = 7 kills per game, 15 bps = 5 kills per game, 1 shot, 1 kill, priceless (Pump & Pistol) |
| 16:44.53 | vontrapp | my shirt says "i see fragged people" |
| 16:44.57 | vontrapp | does that mean you're fragged? |
| 16:45.04 | Jayce^ | can you see me? |
| 16:45.20 | vontrapp | no |
| 16:45.22 | findlay | what's fraggged? |
| 16:45.37 | findlay | is that like ragged? |
| 16:45.45 | findlay | s/g//g |
| 16:45.45 | Jayce^ | fraggle |
| 16:46.50 | elg | I see fraggle people |
| 16:47.46 | tensai | levi: that's right. how did I forget that? |
| 16:48.27 | levi | tensai: Beats me. :) |
| 16:50.21 | elg | ~forget tensai |
| 16:50.21 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, elg |
| 16:50.32 | macnewbold | ~tensai |
| 16:50.37 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, tensai is a large smoked salmon |
| 16:50.42 | macnewbold | haha |
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| 16:54.23 | levi | Hey, how come no one said anything about Matz speaking at a BYU Colloquium this Wednesday? |
| 16:56.23 | findlay | tensai: the great crescendo from the penultimate movement into the last of Zarathustra is one of the most fantastic in classical literature: crash cymbal, gong, bass drum, trombones, etc. What more could you want? |
| 16:56.25 | vontrapp | hey all, matz is speaking at byu colloquium this wednesday! 3:00 |
| 16:57.00 | tensai | findlay: that *and* a bag of chips |
| 16:57.35 | synic | vontrapp: matz as in ruby matz? |
| 16:57.42 | vontrapp | yep |
| 16:57.44 | synic | whoa |
| 16:57.59 | vontrapp | followed by a urug meeting with matz |
| 16:58.42 | tristanbob | Jayce^: one shot, one kill - I wish the commandos we played against believed in that. I would get the auto-weapon because I am a first-timer. They can get the pump markers. |
| 16:59.02 | tristanbob | Jayce^: instead, the guy with the crappy skills also gets the crappy equipment - a double disadvantage |
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| 16:59.34 | tristanbob | Jayce^: also, if you went into REAL battle, would you chose a revolver over an M-16? ;) |
| 16:59.59 | vontrapp | findlay: what piece is that? |
| 17:01.12 | vontrapp | if i went to real battle, i would be a sniper |
| 17:01.53 | vontrapp | hide and pick off targets from a distance, that's my kind of fighting |
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| 17:03.55 | harleypig | vontrapp: the trouble with that is if they figure out your location they'll just point the artillery at you. |
| 17:04.23 | vontrapp | is there a paintball artillery? |
| 17:04.29 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:04.41 | Jayce^ | was launching some grenades this weekend, going for distance.. |
| 17:04.48 | Jayce^ | and tagging a building :) |
| 17:04.56 | vontrapp | harleypig: that's why you don't let them know wherer you are |
| 17:05.07 | vontrapp | hide really good |
| 17:05.15 | vontrapp | and if anybody suspects your location, take em' out |
| 17:05.17 | vontrapp | then move |
| 17:06.10 | harleypig | Y'know .. those Sniper movies were a lot of fun ... but were a little too ... unrealistic as far as how well a sniper can hide. |
| 17:06.37 | findlay | whatever you do don't have Strauss going on your ipod or they will be able to pick you off by following the crash cymbals |
| 17:07.10 | harleypig | I mean ... if you're looking at someone when their chest or head explodes you can tell the general direction based on the direction of the splatter. |
| 17:07.17 | vontrapp | harleypig: ever played capture the flag? |
| 17:07.34 | harleypig | after 4 or 5 hits you'd have a pretty good idea of where to point the artillery. |
| 17:07.41 | harleypig | vontrapp: fps or irl? |
| 17:07.48 | vontrapp | irl |
| 17:07.54 | harleypig | as a kid |
| 17:08.03 | vontrapp | i was pretty good at the stealth approach |
| 17:08.08 | harleypig | I haven't run any decent distance for about 15 years. |
| 17:08.25 | Jayce^ | harleypig, I need to introduce you to 'bad mojo', a guy trying out for our team... uses a "double trouble" :) |
| 17:08.30 | vontrapp | with a lot of patience stealth can be very effective |
| 17:08.40 | Jayce^ | twin a5's with apex barrels... 30bps |
| 17:08.59 | tristanbob | Jayce^: I saw a video of that weapon |
| 17:09.09 | Jayce^ | great cover fire :) |
| 17:09.09 | tristanbob | it just sounds painful :) |
| 17:09.10 | harleypig | vontrapp: true |
| 17:09.29 | harleypig | Jayce^: you showed me that ... pretty cool weapon. |
| 17:09.29 | vontrapp | and besides, don't snipers relocate anytime they make a shot? |
| 17:09.39 | harleypig | vontrapp: depends |
| 17:09.47 | tristanbob | vontrapp: enemy at the gates is a good sniper movie |
| 17:10.48 | tristanbob | is Jordy G in IRC? |
| 17:12.02 | vontrapp | tristanbob: yep, i saw that and behind enemy lines at about the same time, both a long time ago |
| 17:12.12 | vontrapp | they kind of blend together now, can't remember which was which |
| 17:12.52 | tristanbob | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0215750/ |
| 17:13.01 | tristanbob | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159273/ |
| 17:13.34 | harleypig | ! You mix up Owen Wilson with Jude Law? |
| 17:13.36 | tristanbob | I don't think behind enemy lines was aobut a sniper |
| 17:14.31 | vontrapp | i didn't ever realize owen wilson was in behind until i just recently saw a commercial for a network airing |
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| 17:15.38 | tristanbob | wow - I didn't reallize it was Owen either - in a serious movie! |
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| 17:16.17 | tristanbob | harleypig: are you a fan of one of those actors? |
| 17:16.28 | harleypig | He did an ok job ... but he's much better playing the slightly loopy. |
| 17:16.44 | harleypig | tristanbob: No, but the two are worlds apart as far as style and abilities. |
| 17:16.55 | tristanbob | agreed |
| 17:17.04 | harleypig | I can see, sort of, mixing up Gene Hackman and Ed Harris |
| 17:17.07 | tristanbob | zoolander!!! |
| 17:17.10 | vontrapp | isn't the enemy police guy like a sniper in behind enemy lines? |
| 17:17.40 | harleypig | Who? Olek Krupa |
| 17:17.41 | tristanbob | well I think he has a sniper rifle, but it doesn't go into tactics or anything like "enemy at the gates" |
| 17:17.55 | tristanbob | Olek, Olek. He is an amazing actor. |
| 17:18.11 | harleypig | Oh ... I see ... yeah, he was a sniper in the movie, but that was really incidental to the story. |
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| 17:21.16 | goozbach | ~praise POD |
| 17:21.21 | ibot | All hail POD! |
| 17:21.29 | goozbach | plain old documetation POD |
| 17:21.35 | harleypig | The pod people are here! |
| 17:21.59 | goozbach | podperson |
| 17:22.31 | goozbach | I've never been big on documentation |
| 17:23.04 | goozbach | but I just dug out an old perl module I wrote YEARS ago, luckily I had documented it using pod |
| 17:23.27 | goozbach | it's a good thing too. I would have had no idea what that code was doing. |
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| 17:39.13 | levi | Heh. More evidence of Perl being a write-only language. ;) |
| 17:39.29 | Jayce^ | levi, remember, this is goozbach ... |
| 17:40.04 | levi | I know; readability of perl depends on the programmer, and whether or not they choose a readable way to 'do it'. :P |
| 17:49.12 | goozbach | you have to remember, that in addition to being goozbach, it was me before I became even remotely adept at perl. |
| 17:49.25 | goozbach | I've sure come a long way baby |
| 17:49.36 | goozbach | </virgina slims> |
| 17:52.30 | elg | ~smoke goozbach |
| 17:52.35 | ibot | ACTION smokes goozbach |
| 17:53.40 | findlay | spr: alternatively you could map :Wq and :W to valid commands (: |
| 17:53.52 | fozzmoo | spr: You didn't mention :x |
| 17:54.08 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.10 | ^Migs^ | yummers |
| 17:56.48 | findlay | what about :-) |
| 17:56.56 | findlay | and :O |
| 17:57.08 | findlay | and :D |
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| 17:59.26 | goozbach | or :-Q |
| 17:59.34 | goozbach | aparently that's a smoker |
| 18:03.20 | elg | this guy in the class uses three pens on his homework and exams. black, blue, and red |
| 18:03.26 | elg | what am I supposed to use to grade? :) |
| 18:03.33 | graphyx | purple |
| 18:03.34 | graphyx | or green. |
| 18:03.46 | elg | but I'll just use pencil |
| 18:04.11 | levi | elg: pink with glitter. |
| 18:04.46 | graphyx | elg: is it a girl? Use lipstick. |
| 18:05.45 | elg | not a girl, too ba |
| 18:05.47 | elg | d |
| 18:06.04 | graphyx | well it isn't BYU, you could still use lipstick on a guys paper.. |
| 18:06.19 | graphyx | Just might not get a good reaction. |
| 18:10.36 | elg | levi: do you know off the top of your head, is the pumping lemma sufficient to prove a language is regular? it's not is it? |
| 18:11.43 | findlay | pumpkin lemma? |
| 18:16.00 | graphyx | findlay: You've got halloween on the brain. |
| 18:17.59 | graphyx | graphyx: That works too. But my favorite are pumpkin chocolate chip cookies. |
| 18:19.26 | findlay | mmm |
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| 18:36.32 | levi | elg: I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that one. |
| 18:38.35 | findlay | s/to levi// |
| 18:40.01 | findlay | listening to timriker talk about how easy it would be to rewrite bzflag with some modern game libraries makes me think that a lot of old common programs could probably be rewritten with simmilar ease using modern conveniences |
| 18:40.13 | findlay | vim, for example |
| 18:40.20 | elg | yes and no |
| 18:41.04 | elg | someone wrote a vim clone in ruby without too much difficulty, for example. the gotcha is that implementing a true vim clone in every way is nontrivial. just describing what vim does completely is nontrivial |
| 18:41.23 | elg | said clone only implemented the feature set he found useful. which is of course useless for everyone else |
| 18:43.20 | vontrapp | elg: i believe the pumping lemma is sufficient to prove a language non-regular |
| 18:43.29 | elg | yes, that it is |
| 18:43.36 | elg | but is it sufficient to prove regularity? I don't think so |
| 18:43.43 | vontrapp | but just because you can't find a way to prove non-regularity with the pump, doesn't mean that it is regular |
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| 18:48.13 | levi | Writing clones of poorly-specified programs is an exercise in futility. |
| 18:49.29 | elg | writing clones of well-specified but complex programs is an exercise in wasting time |
| 18:49.42 | elg | either way |
| 18:50.35 | levi | Not always; sometimes there's a good reason to do that. Having a good specification helps. |
| 18:50.48 | vontrapp | every time it rains i've left my windows down :( |
| 18:51.44 | levi | Writing a vim clone in Ruby is almost certainly a waste of time, unless done purely for educational purposes. |
| 18:52.08 | levi | Actually, a full clone would be a waste of time regardless. |
| 18:52.36 | macnewbold | unless future versions of Linux support Ruby but not C... |
| 18:52.42 | levi | Hah. |
| 18:52.43 | elg | he got offended when I said "sounds like fun, enjoy it, but it's unlikely you'll never get it to the point where it'll replace vim for me" |
| 18:53.02 | elg | a good spec is always good. and refactoring is often in order |
| 18:53.26 | elg | and perhaps if you have a good open spec but a lost or closed source, ... |
| 18:53.53 | elg | s/never/ever/ |
| 18:54.26 | herlo | did anyone else notice that openclue.org is down? |
| 18:54.57 | levi | Or a good spec for something that is implemented in a way that's fundamentally incompatible with something else you need. |
| 18:54.58 | elg | perhaps |
| 18:55.27 | elg | herlo: as in perhaps someone else noticed. I don't have an example of someone |
| 18:55.33 | levi | Specs are especially useful for things like programming languages. |
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| 18:55.57 | herlo | elg: sure |
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| 18:57.47 | levi | The fact that Ruby is poorly-specified has made life very difficult for people who want to create alternate implementations. |
| 18:58.37 | herlo | it's back up |
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| 18:59.01 | elg | levi: yes, a lesson to learn |
| 18:59.26 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
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| 18:59.36 | Jayce^ | -lart elg |
| 18:59.41 | Jayce^ | woohoo |
| 18:59.50 | levi | Perl was so screwed up it couldn't even get a reasonable specification without recreating the language. ;) |
| 19:01.25 | harleypig | ~lart levi |
| 19:01.35 | harleypig | ?! That's not a lart |
| 19:03.00 | rsimpkins | ~lart lifesized tux doll |
| 19:03.27 | rsimpkins | Great - ibot just gave levi a bath. What is wrong with ~lart today? |
| 19:03.54 | rsimpkins | ~lart web lifesized tux doll |
| 19:04.07 | rsimpkins | wet - oh bother. |
| 19:07.19 | harleypig | :D That was actually pretty good. |
| 19:07.39 | harleypig | basically, ibot turned levi into a wet brick |
| 19:08.28 | levi | But it certainly didn't refute my statement. |
| 19:09.52 | levi | maquis: Your Amazonian overlords may not look kindly upon that! |
| 19:10.11 | harleypig | Especially if you snore |
| 19:10.49 | emcnabb | maquis: if you make my package late I'm coming after you |
| 19:12.30 | maquis | emcnabb: i'm not yet powerful enough to make anything happen (atl east not intentionally |
| 19:12.52 | levi | maquis: You could probably make stuff /not/ happen, though, with buggy code. ;) |
| 19:13.15 | maquis | levi: my code isn't in prod yet... |
| 19:13.29 | maquis | however, i do know how to do some stuff that could potentially break stuff... |
| 19:16.22 | maquis | sweet... my order shipped |
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| 19:22.52 | Tene | My order arrived! |
| 19:24.11 | fozzmoo | What did you order?! |
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| 19:26.57 | macnewbold | ~brick tene |
| 19:27.02 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on tene and turns tene into a brick |
| 19:27.17 | Tene | wireless headphones from woot |
| 19:27.18 | macnewbold | ~congratulate Tene |
| 19:27.19 | ibot | ACTION congratulates Tene on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 19:27.23 | macnewbold | cool |
| 19:27.41 | maquis | fozzmoo: i ordered some new headphones |
| 19:35.08 | levi | Heh. Anyone trying to have a baby? http://www.ovwatch.com/ |
| 19:38.00 | harleypig | 66% more pregnancies are estimated to occur with OV-Watch over LH based urine sticks*. The starred text says 'by month 6' |
| 19:38.15 | harleypig | If you don't know you're pregnant by month six just by eyeball, there's a problem. |
| 19:38.51 | harleypig | That Lisa Masterson's a hottie ... |
| 19:39.00 | harleypig | wait ... did I type that out loud? |
| 19:39.48 | macnewbold | not that you'll be six months pregnant, that you'll be pregnant within 6 months of trying |
| 19:41.14 | graphyx | who goes to gatech? |
| 19:41.25 | harleypig | macnewbold: that makes a little better sense. |
| 19:41.28 | macnewbold | I've been there, but never attended there |
| 19:41.43 | macnewbold | the thought of a pregnant harleypig... hm... time to go gouge my eyes out |
| 19:42.18 | graphyx | Jayce^: Who was that that went to GAtech? Do we have a name? |
| 19:43.10 | tensai | macnewbold: gouging is not enough. they'll still be infected and will have to burned |
| 19:47.26 | goozbach | ~bonsai Jayce^ |
| 19:47.29 | ibot | ACTION places Jayce^ in a worcesterschire sauce bottle and displays it on the mantlepiece |
| 19:47.35 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:47.42 | goozbach | I didn't think it had been done yet |
| 19:50.13 | graphyx | ibot, pwndsuace is <reply> A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs $who is a torrent of pwnsauce, who is left with a shift stain that reads, "Pwned". |
| 19:50.14 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 19:50.23 | graphyx | ~pwnsauce elg |
| 19:50.38 | graphyx | ibot, pwndsauce is <reply> A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs $who is a torrent of pwnsauce, who is left with a shift stain that reads, "Pwned". |
| 19:50.40 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 19:50.46 | graphyx | ~pwnsauce elg |
| 19:50.52 | tensai | ~forget pwndsuace |
| 19:50.52 | ibot | i forgot pwndsuace, tensai |
| 19:51.01 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce |
| 19:51.02 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs graphyx is a torrent of pwnsauce, who is left with a shift stain that reads, "Pwned". |
| 19:51.09 | graphyx | ok. |
| 19:51.27 | tensai | graphyx: try "pwndsauce $foo is ..." |
| 19:53.18 | harleypig | typo: is a should be in a |
| 19:53.46 | harleypig | I won't say what I think about shift stain |
| 19:54.22 | mheath | haha |
| 19:54.27 | mheath | I was just thinking the same thing, I think |
| 19:54.42 | graphyx | that should be shirt. |
| 19:54.53 | graphyx | ibot, forget pwndsauce |
| 19:54.53 | ibot | i forgot pwndsauce, graphyx |
| 19:54.55 | harleypig | Boot camp has marred you for life |
| 19:55.04 | tensai | levi: my wife and I used the method described in this book http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645/ |
| 19:55.11 | mheath | harleypig: probably :P |
| 19:55.19 | graphyx | ibot, pwndsauce is A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs $who is a torrent of pwnsauce, who is left with a shirt stain that reads, "Pwned". |
| 19:55.20 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 19:56.17 | graphyx | tensai: I have the other problem guys, my wife have gotten pregnant 2x when she was either on birth control pills or About to stop taking them to get pregnant. |
| 19:56.32 | graphyx | But that isn't everyone's luck. |
| 19:56.51 | harleypig | heh ... I have a chemical baby and two raincoat babies |
| 19:56.55 | graphyx | Since there are a lot more methods of not getting pregnant thatn getting pregnant. |
| 19:57.00 | mheath | ibot, no, pwndsauce is A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs $who in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 19:57.02 | ibot | okay, mheath |
| 19:57.11 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce mheath |
| 19:57.13 | mrpull | whoa. homebrew organ? http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/organ/organ.html |
| 19:57.18 | tensai | levi: essentially she takes her temp first thing in the morning. a certain hormone causes the body temp to drop like half a degree when an egg is released. |
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| 19:57.29 | levi | mrpull: I was just looking at that. |
| 19:57.34 | mheath | ibot, no, pwndsauce $foo is A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs $who in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 19:57.35 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 19:57.40 | levi | mrpull: Check out this one: http://home.earthlink.net/~anelsen/organ.htm |
| 19:57.45 | mheath | graphyx: try that again :P |
| 19:57.53 | levi | tensai: Yeah, I heard about that one. |
| 19:57.58 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce mheath |
| 19:57.59 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs graphyx in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 19:57.59 | harleypig | wow .. my first thought was home cloning |
| 19:58.13 | tensai | levi: it works but it requires patience and dedication |
| 19:58.16 | levi | tensai: My wife just roughly calculated based on cycle timing. |
| 19:58.21 | goozbach | graphyx: you just got pwned by ibot |
| 19:58.22 | graphyx | ibot, no, pwndsauce $foo is A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs $foo in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 19:58.23 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 19:58.23 | goozbach | OHHHH!@! |
| 19:58.34 | graphyx | ~pwndsauce mheath and goozbach |
| 19:58.35 | ibot | A ginormous opened bottle of Pwnsauce in the sky tips over and engulfs mheath and goozbach in a torrent of pwnsauce, leaving them with a shirt stain that reads "Pwned". |
| 19:58.44 | mrpull | the best way to get pregnant is to try not to get pregnant |
| 19:58.50 | graphyx | mrpull: indeed. |
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| 19:58.59 | Migs | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410642&in_page_id=1770 |
| 19:59.02 | levi | tensai: I wasn't opposed to the shotgun approach. |
| 19:59.04 | Migs | "In this astonishing photo, a model is wearing a new gadget, from electronics manufacturer Toshiba, that enables the wearer to experience a full 360-degree view on a 40 centimetre dome-shaped screen." |
| 19:59.06 | mrpull | (speaking as a dad of a 6 day old surprise) |
| 19:59.24 | tristanbob | mrpull: congrats! |
| 19:59.39 | mheath | mrpull: sound advice :P |
| 19:59.46 | graphyx | mrpull: Was the surprize revealed 6 days ago, or did it come to fruition 6 days ago? |
| 20:00.00 | mrpull | he was born 6 days ago |
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| 20:00.18 | mrpull | it took two years and a lot of doctors to get the first pregnancy |
| 20:00.30 | graphyx | mrpull: Congrats. |
| 20:00.30 | mheath | unwanted pregancy I take it? Or just...unexpected/surprising? |
| 20:00.39 | mrpull | unexpected |
| 20:00.39 | graphyx | I was my parents surprize. |
| 20:00.43 | mrpull | surprised |
| 20:00.49 | graphyx | My mom had to take fertility drugs for the other 4. |
| 20:00.52 | graphyx | I came on my own. |
| 20:00.54 | mrpull | doctors said we wouldn't be able to have any more kids |
| 20:01.18 | graphyx | 7 months after my sister was born, I started. |
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| 20:06.39 | Migs | umm |
| 20:06.47 | macnewbold | quieren que se vaya ya... |
| 20:06.52 | Migs | my developer coworker didn't know how to navigate up a directory in DOS. I had to tell him it was "cd .." |
| 20:06.55 | Migs | I'm a little concerned about him |
| 20:07.13 | macnewbold | tell him to click on the folder with the arrow on it |
| 20:07.21 | Migs | heh |
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| 20:09.17 | mrpull | Migs: how old is this person? |
| 20:09.48 | graphyx | Migs: This is the same person you were lameeting was the new dev, right? |
| 20:09.55 | graphyx | s/lameeting/lamenting/ |
| 20:13.56 | Migs | yes |
| 20:14.00 | Migs | he's 37 |
| 20:14.14 | Migs | I really like him, too, so it's a personal disappointment |
| 20:14.19 | mrpull | mac guy? |
| 20:14.24 | Migs | I'm just concerned about his career here |
| 20:14.38 | mrpull | how did he manage to avoid dos and still be a 37 YRO dev? |
| 20:16.16 | Migs | we're giving him a lot of training right now, as we speak. He's struggling a bit, but hopefully it'll help |
| 20:17.05 | Migs | all of us developers are taking some training, some as refreshers, some to get into new stuff |
| 20:17.51 | mrpull | still... 37 is too old to have never seen a CLI and too young to be too old to be clueless |
| 20:18.04 | Migs | this new guy is lagging behind a little bit, unfortunately. I'm afraid that when this training is all done, he still isn't up to snuff, I'd have to recommend that he be laid off, which I don't want to do |
| 20:18.12 | Tene | Maybe he didn't start doing development until recently. |
| 20:18.17 | Migs | he's NEVER done development |
| 20:18.40 | Migs | for some reason, my boss didn't ask me to sit in on the job interview |
| 20:19.41 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:19.50 | macnewbold | make the boss deal with him then |
| 20:19.56 | macnewbold | now that he's made a mess by hiring him |
| 20:20.16 | macnewbold | "promote" him to be the boss' personal assistant or something |
| 20:20.40 | Migs | haha |
| 20:20.49 | graphyx | The dilbert principal? |
| 20:20.57 | graphyx | s/principal/principle/ |
| 20:21.07 | Migs | he has this weird habit of coming over to my cubicle to ask me a question, then even after I answer it he sits there for a few minutes before he realizes I answered it and he leaves. |
| 20:21.16 | graphyx | Promote people to the level that their incompetence will do the least damage? |
| 20:21.29 | graphyx | Migs: That's slightly amusing. |
| 20:21.34 | Migs | yes, it is |
| 20:21.48 | Migs | which makes me a little nervous talking about him in here, because he could drop in my cubicle at any time |
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| 20:22.15 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.17 | graphyx | Perhaps you need to end each question with, And thats about all there is to it. Good luck let me know how it goes, (Turn the chair back to the monitor..) |
| 20:22.40 | harleypig | I hope some other production company gets the rights to The Hitcher |
| 20:22.51 | Migs | yeah, that would work |
| 20:22.55 | Migs | "And thus it is. Amen." |
| 20:23.11 | graphyx | So it was discussed, so let it be written... amen. |
| 20:23.27 | Migs | "Hearken unto my words, o ye underling" |
| 20:25.41 | graphyx | Do not provoke my warth. Go and do good. |
| 20:25.51 | harleypig | warth? |
| 20:26.02 | graphyx | wrath |
| 20:26.11 | graphyx | I am full of mispellings today. |
| 20:26.14 | graphyx | Including that one. |
| 20:26.15 | harleypig | Nm ... I don't wanna know what you're warth is ... |
| 20:26.25 | harleypig | its probably something disgusting. |
| 20:26.37 | harleypig | I know the way you guys think. |
| 20:26.40 | Migs | you mean "your warth" |
| 20:26.52 | Migs | yeah, anytime we make up a word, it means something gross |
| 20:26.59 | harleypig | that's waht I siad |
| 20:27.02 | graphyx | niddlings. |
| 20:27.29 | harleypig | noobles |
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| 20:29.56 | harleypig | http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/anna-nicole-smith/anna-nicole-smith-babynaming-tragedy-now-legal-and-binding-207915.php |
| 20:30.20 | harleypig | This guy just rips into Anna Nicole Smith ... hilarious reading |
| 20:30.31 | harleypig | except for the unfortunate girl who got stuck with the name |
| 20:31.47 | mrpull | Dannielynn? |
| 20:31.48 | mrpull | oh man |
| 20:32.14 | harleypig | That's up there, though I've heard of some worse. |
| 20:32.18 | mrpull | husbitch is a good term |
| 20:32.25 | harleypig | yeah, I like that one |
| 20:32.28 | mrpull | I'll have to remember that for a few of my friends |
| 20:32.32 | mrpull | uh... ex-friends |
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| 20:34.01 | harleypig | Then there are people who *choose* stoopid names ... like Keighvin |
| 20:34.21 | Keighvin | Sorry harleypig, had mine stuck to me by someone else. |
| 20:34.39 | harleypig | You parents named you that? |
| 20:34.43 | harleypig | http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/anna-nicole-smith/anna-nicole-smith-babynaming-tragedy-now-legal-and-binding-207915.php |
| 20:34.50 | harleypig | This is what sparked the discussion of names. |
| 20:38.53 | Keighvin | I see. |
| 20:39.04 | Keighvin | What about, "Apple Blythe Alison Martin" ? |
| 20:39.37 | harleypig | ow |
| 20:39.47 | harleypig | Still not as bad as Daniellyn |
| 20:39.48 | Migs | Bubonica would be a good name |
| 20:40.02 | Migs | I don't see what the problem is with Danielynn |
| 20:40.05 | Migs | I kind of like it |
| 20:40.10 | elg | me either |
| 20:40.18 | elg | I don't exactly like it, but it's a lot better than naming your kid rock |
| 20:40.24 | Migs | yes, it is |
| 20:40.34 | elg | My wife worked at a daycare. lots of weird names |
| 20:40.41 | elg | Stone (for real), Field, |
| 20:40.42 | Migs | yeah |
| 20:40.44 | elg | etc. |
| 20:40.46 | Migs | Canyon |
| 20:40.57 | mrpull | Stone is a tough name. |
| 20:41.00 | mrpull | I like Stone |
| 20:41.00 | harleypig | Egwene |
| 20:41.02 | Migs | when my wife was a nursery leader, there were two Keelees |
| 20:41.25 | Migs | Stone, Field, Canyon, Mountain, Hilltop, Knoll... |
| 20:41.32 | Migs | Anyone know someone named Ocean? |
| 20:41.36 | elg | if I ever get to name a neighbor's kid, I'll name it parleyhig |
| 20:41.41 | Migs | haha |
| 20:41.52 | harleypig | Semicolyn |
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| 20:41.57 | harleypig | :> |
| 20:42.02 | Migs | that'd be a good name, if your name is Colyn |
| 20:42.08 | Jayce^ | elg, funny thing, an ex coworker of harleypig and me was nick'd Hig :) |
| 20:42.30 | harleypig | Toolio DeSac |
| 20:42.43 | harleypig | :> |
| 20:43.25 | harleypig | Soosyn |
| 20:43.32 | harleypig | woops Soosynn |
| 20:43.37 | harleypig | gotta spell that correclty |
| 20:44.11 | elg | name your kid PDA |
| 20:44.24 | Keighvin | http://wesclark.com/ubn/faves.html |
| 20:44.30 | harleypig | JaeLynne |
| 20:45.04 | elg | oh zestpool |
| 20:45.09 | harleypig | floofy hair! I haven't thought of that in years!! |
| 20:45.40 | harleypig | I am SO glad this wasn't going around when I was in high school ... I woulda been suspended bunch of times for making fun of them. |
| 20:45.43 | Keighvin | Thought you'd like that one. |
| 20:46.04 | harleypig | heh... the Klingon Ward |
| 20:46.20 | harleypig | Oh .. man ... that triggered a mental image I wish I could draw. |
| 20:46.40 | harleypig | eep ... someone actually named their kid Kahless?! |
| 20:46.56 | graphyx | My cousin named her kid turtle. |
| 20:47.01 | graphyx | no joke. |
| 20:47.09 | harleypig | Judziah Datz ... heh ... that's so badly mispelt ... gotta wonder how red their necks were. |
| 20:48.00 | elg | Desdedididawn |
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| 20:49.24 | elg | Dianarea |
| 20:50.08 | harleypig | MyLae ... ooooo boy ... I hope that poor kid's a boy ... |
| 20:50.19 | harleypig | Zion Anakin?! |
| 20:50.29 | findlay | heh |
| 20:50.35 | harleypig | Nymphus?! |
| 20:50.43 | harleypig | Golden P |
| 20:51.10 | Keighvin | It's a goldmine, really it is. |
| 20:51.32 | harleypig | VulvaMae |
| 20:51.40 | elg | wow. just wow |
| 20:52.05 | harleypig | err ... someone really named their kid Clitoris? That's ... criminal |
| 20:52.06 | graphyx | http://wesclark.com/ubn/ |
| 20:53.29 | harleypig | You might be a mormon ... If you think BYU's Holiday Bowl victory over SMU in 1980 is proof of the true church. |
| 20:53.40 | harleypig | Yeah, how many here were even alive for that. |
| 20:54.13 | harleypig | Ok ... how many were cognizant of what was happening. :] |
| 20:54.15 | graphyx | I was alive, but not aware. |
| 20:54.24 | macnewbold | ditto |
| 20:54.29 | Migs | what's the Holiday Bowl? |
| 20:54.31 | Migs | what's SMU? |
| 20:54.37 | harleypig | ~smack migs |
| 20:54.40 | ibot | ACTION smacks migs upside the head. |
| 20:54.47 | Migs | Southern Massachusettes University? |
| 20:54.47 | macnewbold | I think it is football, but I'm not too big on sports... |
| 20:54.51 | graphyx | But in truth, they could do it this year and I would be none the wise unless the prophet makes a crack about it in the preisthood session. |
| 20:54.53 | Migs | *Massachusetts |
| 20:54.55 | Migs | oh |
| 20:54.57 | macnewbold | Southern Methodist Univ. |
| 20:55.01 | Migs | I was actually thinking Basketball, but Football would make more sense |
| 20:55.17 | macnewbold | they don't usually have Bowls in basketball |
| 20:55.20 | macnewbold | or baseball |
| 20:55.20 | Migs | why 1980? Have they lost to SMU every year since then? |
| 20:55.24 | macnewbold | or golf |
| 20:55.26 | macnewbold | or bowling |
| 20:55.28 | Migs | what about tennis? |
| 20:55.33 | macnewbold | well, maybe bowling |
| 20:55.39 | Migs | the Bowling Bowl? |
| 20:55.42 | harleypig | Migs: No ... it was a Hail Mary pass in the last few minutes of the game. |
| 20:55.52 | harleypig | across the length of the field. |
| 20:55.55 | harleypig | diagonally |
| 20:55.58 | Migs | wouldn't that prove the Catholic Church is the true church? |
| 20:56.03 | macnewbold | who was BYU QB back then? |
| 20:56.05 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:56.13 | graphyx | Migs: I was typing the same thing.. lol |
| 20:56.22 | harleypig | erm ... Mcmahon? |
| 20:56.31 | graphyx | Mahonri? |
| 20:57.17 | Migs | lolomgbbq |
| 20:58.14 | Jayce^ | yeah, can't convince my wife that Leif is a good boy's name... :( |
| 20:58.38 | Migs | Leif Apple Bubonica Zion Vulva |
| 20:58.59 | Migs | my neighbor named their kid Orion |
| 20:59.03 | Migs | I thought that was pretty stupid, too |
| 20:59.15 | tensai | Jayce^: I work with a Leif and he's a good guy. tell her that |
| 20:59.22 | Migs | Leif is a real name |
| 20:59.23 | harleypig | Jayce^: You'll curse the kid into looking like Garrett |
| 20:59.29 | elg | I like Leif |
| 20:59.39 | elg | doubt I'd ever talk my wife into it though |
| 20:59.47 | harleypig | With the blond hair in your family that's a better than even chance |
| 20:59.52 | Jayce^ | I'm from a very norweigan town, Leif is a normal name for me |
| 20:59.58 | elg | though I did get her to agree to Frederik as a middle name |
| 21:00.47 | Jayce^ | looks like we've got Brynn if it's a girl (even though in true historical sense, it's a boys name) |
| 21:01.03 | Jayce^ | I'm pushing for Leif or Dante if it's a boy, she's against both |
| 21:01.27 | tensai | Jayce^: name him Lute Fisk Hall |
| 21:01.35 | Jayce^ | tensai, :) |
| 21:01.58 | harleypig | Jayce^: Mephistophole |
| 21:01.58 | Jayce^ | I think my wife is still made that our sons middle initial is A. |
| 21:02.08 | Jayce^ | Garion A. Hall :) |
| 21:02.13 | Jayce^ | very fitting :) |
| 21:02.15 | harleypig | GAH! |
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| 21:02.36 | Jayce^ | she didn't catch that until after it was too late |
| 21:02.38 | Tene | A friend of mine has the middle name 'orion'. I like it. |
| 21:02.45 | Migs | It's fine as a middle name |
| 21:02.48 | Migs | not a first name |
| 21:03.02 | Migs | you can put whatever wacky stuff you want as a middle name and it'll probably be cool |
| 21:03.05 | tensai | my son's initials are PIE. who doesn't love pie? |
| 21:03.07 | Migs | unless of course you start calling the child by their middle name |
| 21:03.11 | Migs | depends on the pie |
| 21:03.23 | tensai | lutefisk pie... |
| 21:03.35 | Migs | hahaha |
| 21:03.51 | Jayce^ | tensai, but hey, lutefisk done 'right' is jellied, so you could just add a merengue... |
| 21:04.15 | Jayce^ | So, quick vote, Leif or Dante (or neither) |
| 21:04.41 | levi | My daughter's initials are ARP; she's going to be great at networking. |
| 21:04.43 | harleypig | If I had to choose I'd say Dante, but I don't like either. |
| 21:04.53 | elg | leif |
| 21:04.56 | elg | I wouldn't want dante |
| 21:05.50 | harleypig | How about Gabriel |
| 21:05.53 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 21:06.00 | levi | How about Zeke? |
| 21:06.29 | harleypig | You have family/friends named Gabriel? |
| 21:06.35 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 21:06.50 | harleypig | Hmmm ... Pilate? |
| 21:06.56 | harleypig | Celestine |
| 21:07.58 | harleypig | Horace |
| 21:08.00 | harleypig | Lucan |
| 21:08.03 | elg | Larry |
| 21:08.06 | harleypig | Minos |
| 21:08.12 | elg | Per |
| 21:08.16 | harleypig | Cerberus |
| 21:08.29 | elg | Marble |
| 21:08.39 | harleypig | Plutus |
| 21:08.41 | elg | definitely Marble |
| 21:08.43 | levi | Magog |
| 21:09.03 | harleypig | No, only if he has twins ... then he can name one Gog and the other Magog |
| 21:09.21 | elg | Jayce^: I think you should incorporate a mostly-useless keyboard symbol into his name |
| 21:09.56 | Jayce^ | elg, :) just name him/her $_ and then only refer to the child in the default sense |
| 21:09.59 | harleypig | Pier |
| 21:10.58 | elg | Pee Air |
| 21:10.58 | elg | Kayce& |
| 21:10.58 | elg | Jayce->dup() |
| 21:10.58 | Jayce^ | elg, that would be $kayce |
| 21:10.59 | harleypig | Geryon |
| 21:11.03 | levi | pwnd |
| 21:11.09 | elg | Pascal |
| 21:11.10 | Jayce^ | harleypig, that's about how kayla says his name |
| 21:11.24 | Jayce^ | elg, actually looked at that one, wife didn't want it |
| 21:11.28 | harleypig | Geryon is the winged monster that takes Dante down the cliff |
| 21:11.39 | harleypig | Blaise? |
| 21:11.46 | harleypig | Or Pascal? |
| 21:11.53 | Jayce^ | harleypig, now you see why I wanted Dante :) I have Garion |
| 21:11.58 | levi | Pascal seems to be a fairly common French given name. I see several of them on mailing lists and such. |
| 21:12.11 | elg | Freedom |
| 21:12.17 | harleypig | Nyota |
| 21:12.23 | Jayce^ | Caipira |
| 21:12.31 | harleypig | Uhura |
| 21:12.50 | harleypig | Solo |
| 21:13.04 | findlay | Wyatt |
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| 21:13.07 | levi | Nevaeh... it's heaven backwards!!!11 Isn't that clever!? |
| 21:13.16 | findlay | no, that's evil |
| 21:13.20 | harleypig | Excep that it sounds like never ... |
| 21:13.41 | harleypig | Nicholas |
| 21:13.41 | levi | Of course, if you name your child that, you will go to lleh. |
| 21:14.03 | Migs | I wonder how many people have named their child Satan |
| 21:14.13 | harleypig | or Lucifer |
| 21:14.22 | elg | get a nice welsh name |
| 21:14.24 | Jayce^ | knicholas Knickelby ( for the monty python fans) |
| 21:14.26 | elg | lloyd |
| 21:14.44 | harleypig | Malebranche |
| 21:14.45 | levi | That's my wife's maiden name. |
| 21:14.46 | Jayce^ | elg, no, she already struck down all but Brynn for the welsh names, tried those |
| 21:14.53 | Jayce^ | llewelyn was one I liked |
| 21:15.04 | elg | pity. I like welsh names |
| 21:15.12 | findlay | Taliesin |
| 21:15.12 | Jayce^ | ditto, large part of my heritage |
| 21:15.22 | elg | levi: your wife's maiden name is malebranche? |
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| 21:16.20 | elg | were you able to sneak any middle earth names on the list? |
| 21:16.21 | Migs | let's guess each other's wife's maiden names! |
| 21:16.27 | harleypig | Ptolemy |
| 21:16.43 | Jayce^ | elg, should look into those again, might be able to get some through if I try again |
| 21:16.47 | Migs | guess my wife's maiden name. Hint: It's Mexican |
| 21:16.58 | elg | senorita |
| 21:17.20 | Migs | wpw |
| 21:17.20 | Migs | wow |
| 21:17.22 | Jayce^ | maria de la sousa aparecida |
| 21:17.34 | Migs | you're both right |
| 21:20.11 | findlay | orthanc |
| 21:22.25 | harleypig | Jayce^: Orthogonal |
| 21:22.44 | elg | Otto Maton |
| 21:22.44 | findlay | skew |
| 21:22.54 | elg | Yaw |
| 21:22.55 | elg | Pitch |
| 21:22.56 | elg | Roll |
| 21:23.24 | harleypig | It died down and I kicked up the embers. |
| 21:23.31 | findlay | java |
| 21:23.33 | findlay | python |
| 21:23.47 | findlay | forth |
| 21:23.54 | findlay | haskell |
| 21:24.03 | Tene | findlay: what's Taliesin from? |
| 21:24.14 | findlay | it's a generic Welsh name |
| 21:24.24 | Tene | Okay. |
| 21:24.47 | findlay | my great great grandfather's brother's name |
| 21:25.18 | Tene | I know someone in the lojban community with that name |
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| 21:28.51 | findlay | herlo |
| 21:31.45 | findlay | iceweasel |
| 21:32.30 | findlay | for some reason I'm gettin this email from someone named Cron Daemon. Sounds pretty evil to me |
| 21:33.04 | Jayce^ | buckaroo banzai |
| 21:34.55 | findlay | I can only guess that Cron is some appellation signifying a dark and sinister purpose |
| 21:36.21 | findlay | but he does nice things for me, things I'd have to do manually otherwise so I guess he's not evil after all |
| 21:36.47 | Tene | Like an immigrant! |
| 21:37.40 | findlay | ~immigrate Tene |
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| 21:45.05 | findlay | levi: what language would you write a mathematical interpreter in? |
| 21:45.14 | calvarez | GLSL rocks! |
| 21:45.28 | findlay | ~glsl |
| 21:45.30 | calvarez | interpreters => Lisp or any of its illegitimate children |
| 21:45.37 | calvarez | scheme, etc |
| 21:45.42 | findlay | sbcl? |
| 21:45.54 | calvarez | sbcl? I dunno what that is |
| 21:46.00 | findlay | ~sbcl |
| 21:46.01 | ibot | it has been said that sbcl is Steel Bank Common Lisp, http://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl, based on cmucl, looks easier to build than cmucl |
| 21:46.17 | calvarez | btw, the GLSL comment was unrelated to your question |
| 21:46.29 | findlay | heh, but I'm thinking about lisp |
| 21:46.56 | calvarez | Scheme, maybe |
| 21:47.21 | calvarez | I'm no expert on that area, but I've used Scheme and it's nice for interpreters and such |
| 21:47.41 | findlay | hm |
| 21:47.48 | findlay | but can you trust a language called scheme? |
| 21:47.53 | calvarez | lol |
| 21:48.11 | calvarez | well, at the BYU-UUG we almost had a president called SCOtt |
| 21:48.27 | calvarez | I guess names and underlying plans don't necessarily match |
| 21:48.27 | findlay | he's the president now |
| 21:48.31 | calvarez | is he? lol |
| 21:48.38 | findlay | spr |
| 21:48.48 | calvarez | nothing against Scott |
| 21:49.02 | findlay | oh sure |
| 21:49.02 | findlay | (: |
| 21:49.10 | calvarez | just the name makes an interesting coincidence :) |
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| 21:50.07 | calvarez | hi maquis |
| 21:50.30 | calvarez | man, GLSL is so sweet |
| 21:50.50 | calvarez | anyways, I'm out |
| 21:50.54 | calvarez | ta-ta |
| 21:50.59 | findlay | ~out calvarez |
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| 22:35.02 | harleypig | way to go Keighvin |
| 22:35.06 | harleypig | you chased off vex |
| 22:35.10 | harleypig | you vexed vex |
| 22:36.20 | findlay | I bet they go all the way to M-31 and back |
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| 22:37.59 | harleypig | ~lart findlay for using (not so) obscure astronomical references |
| 22:38.43 | harleypig | M5 is alive! |
| 22:39.01 | harleypig | (I dare anyone to get the two references mangled into that one phrase) |
| 22:39.22 | findlay | is that a larry wall? |
| 22:39.33 | harleypig | or, rather, I dare anyone to admit to getting the two references. |
| 22:40.03 | findlay | only if you give me a pumpkin cookie |
| 22:40.23 | harleypig | I don't have any pumpkin cookies. If I did they would go in the garbage. |
| 22:42.07 | emcnabb | how effective are the Razor variants (e.g. Pyzor) in blocking spam? |
| 22:42.11 | emcnabb | any personal experience? |
| 22:42.43 | Newsome | emcnabb: they all suck. Just give up now. |
| 22:42.55 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:43.39 | emcnabb | I've had a ton of spam get through my filters recently (both Spamassassin and dspam). Just trying to figure out what else I can do... :-( |
| 22:44.11 | harleypig | Just click on the 'Remove Me' links at the bottom of each of those emails ... that'll solve all your problems. |
| 22:44.22 | herlo | emcnabb: I've had similar experiences lately, I was hoping to find a better filter as well |
| 22:44.40 | emcnabb | it has really just been in the last week or two |
| 22:46.24 | herlo | about right |
| 22:46.59 | herlo | for me, it seems to fluctuate from about 10-20 a day to 1-5 a day |
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| 22:47.35 | emcnabb | before I would get in about 1 - 2 messages a day; right now it's up to 5 - 10 |
| 22:48.34 | Keighvin | ~lart harleypig |
| 22:50.08 | harleypig | ~dynamite Keighvin |
| 22:50.13 | harleypig | nothing |
| 22:50.16 | harleypig | *sigh* |
| 22:52.07 | Jayce^ | ~travolta Keighvin |
| 22:52.08 | ibot | ACTION replaces Keighvin with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 22:52.22 | herlo | emcnabb: hmm, and here I thought actually putting dspam and/or spamassassin might improve my chances of not getting spam |
| 22:52.29 | Keighvin | ~whaleslap harleypig |
| 22:52.30 | ibot | ACTION beats harleypig upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:52.38 | harleypig | What's travolta got to do with multi-colored display of firepower? |
| 22:52.41 | maquis | <-- brain fried |
| 22:52.42 | emcnabb | herlo: oh, it helps |
| 22:52.45 | emcnabb | a lot |
| 22:52.45 | harleypig | Hugh was a borg. |
| 22:52.57 | maquis | harleypig: yes... he was |
| 22:53.12 | Jayce^ | herlo, sa helps me a lot, but I have been getting weaker scores recently.. still, blocked about 3k spam since last wednesday |
| 22:53.26 | emcnabb | Jayce^: so you've been noticing the trend too? |
| 22:53.40 | herlo | harleypig: have you not seen pulp fiction? |
| 22:53.57 | emcnabb | herlo: I usually get hundreds of spams sent at my account alone per day, so 98% helps a ton |
| 22:54.04 | emcnabb | I just want that other 2% :-) |
| 22:54.11 | harleypig | I have ... I was going through the movies he was in ... SNF would explain the multi-colored part ... |
| 22:54.18 | herlo | I've only got greylisting along with spamhaus and spamcop on and until I put those on, I didn't even get that much, but then BAM |
| 22:54.30 | herlo | harleypig: true |
| 22:55.18 | herlo | emcnabb: logwatch tells me that greylisting removes a good 80-95% of all spam, then spamhaus and spamcop seem to do a pretty good job |
| 22:56.00 | herlo | until lately |
| 22:57.09 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, yeah, was noting how I had 2 make it through with only weak markings... stood out as strange |
| 22:59.24 | herlo | any other good anti-spam techniques I should be aware of? I've heard of/used clamav, mailscanner, dspam, spamassassin, greylisting, spamcop, spamhaus. Anything else? |
| 22:59.51 | Keighvin | Personally, I've decided *not* to be in a race with spammers against the filtering technology. |
| 23:00.00 | Keighvin | Rather, I'll let someone else do it an leech off their benefits. |
| 23:01.15 | maquis | erm |
| 23:01.22 | maquis | gmail *sometimeS* performs admirably |
| 23:01.29 | maquis | sometimes it sucks |
| 23:01.35 | emcnabb | Keighvin: it works well unless you are the 'work' email |
| 23:02.02 | emcnabb | got to do my seminary lesson before the Bears game starts |
| 23:03.48 | Keighvin | Heh - and at work, I let the email folks do it. |
| 23:05.07 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, *game* ? vs AZ... haha |
| 23:05.54 | emcnabb | yeah, it should be a slaughterhouse special |
| 23:06.22 | emcnabb | we kicked Seattle's trash a few weeks ago, and they were supposed to be good :-) |
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| 23:08.45 | Keighvin | To be fair, Seattle's pretty much sea level. |
| 23:09.03 | emcnabb | so is Chicago |
| 23:09.03 | Keighvin | A 5K' jump in altitude can do a lot to a person. |
| 23:09.12 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, half our starters were out :) |
| 23:09.18 | emcnabb | Jayce^: excuses |
| 23:09.19 | herlo | Keighvin: chicago is not very high |
| 23:09.30 | herlo | er' wait |
| 23:10.06 | emcnabb | Elevation: 580ft (175m) |
| 23:10.25 | herlo | maybe its the city and not the players :-) |
| 23:10.38 | emcnabb | haha |
| 23:19.58 | maquis | seattle isn't "practically" sea level... it *is* sea level |
| 23:20.57 | phinux | Some of it is below sea level. Is it still sinking? |
| 23:21.51 | maquis | phinux: last i heard, yeah... that's what we get for building on landfill |
| 23:21.59 | Jayce^ | those parts aren't actually below sea level, and the sinkage was only to the level of the sawdust heaped up, the ground is still above sea level |
| 23:22.09 | phinux | Was it a landfill? I though you just built on a marsh. |
| 23:22.31 | Jayce^ | phinux, no, they just used the sawdust from the local mills to flatten things out.. |
| 23:22.40 | phinux | Ah. |
| 23:22.42 | emcnabb | parts of Chicago will probably sink into Lake Michigan - they through the debris from the Great Chicago Fire into the lake an a good portion of the Chicago Loop (downtown) is built on it |
| 23:22.45 | Jayce^ | the upper area was an indian landfill for a while |
| 23:23.15 | emcnabb | s/through/threw |
| 23:23.40 | maquis | Jayce^: i was so sad when i didn't get a window-cube this year... last summer i had a window, and it looked right out onto qwest field and the train and everything |
| 23:23.55 | maquis | (ok... i couldn't quite see the field, but had i been higher, i could've) |
| 23:24.23 | emcnabb | we have windows in our building! (I think) |
| 23:26.58 | maquis | w00t! my first item to make it to production |
| 23:27.31 | emcnabb | cancel my order now! |
| 23:27.44 | maquis | emcnabb: i don't know how |
| 23:27.47 | emcnabb | I don't want to get shipped the wrong thing |
| 23:28.11 | maquis | hmmm... what are you getting? |
| 23:28.29 | emcnabb | nothing, just giving you a hard time |
| 23:28.36 | maquis | ah... too bad |
| 23:28.47 | maquis | i thought maybe i could try to swap orders with you if your order was cooler than mine :) |
| 23:29.03 | emcnabb | when I do get something please treat it better than you do the OS on your laptop |
| 23:29.14 | maquis | emcnabb: i'll try |
| 23:29.16 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 23:29.44 | emcnabb | ~nick dna3e8bertha |
| 23:29.53 | maquis | i haven't broken anything important over here yet (i hope) |
| 23:30.00 | maquis | ~nickometer dna3e8bertha |
| 23:30.22 | emcnabb | ah, that's it |
| 23:31.04 | emcnabb | ~nickometer emcnabb |
| 23:31.26 | maquis | ~nickometer maquis |
| 23:31.52 | maquis | ~nickometer ########## |
| 23:32.14 | maquis | ~nickometer %%%%%%%%%%% |
| 23:32.48 | dna3e8bertha | How can I get fedora 5 to recheck the video card and monitor (the driver dosn't support the resolution) |
| 23:33.30 | maquis | re-check? |
| 23:34.23 | dna3e8bertha | durirng the install it runnes a hardware check, but the monitor was unplugged, i could re-install |
| 23:34.45 | maquis | dna3e8bertha: what does your xorg.conf say? |
| 23:34.54 | dna3e8bertha | checking... |
| 23:35.08 | maquis | and... if the driver doesn't support a particular resolution, how do you plan on getting that resolution? |
| 23:35.42 | maquis | what the? |
| 23:35.47 | dna3e8bertha | on teh last install (before the power falier messed it up a higher resoulution was supported |
| 23:36.23 | maquis | are you using the same driver you were at that point? |
| 23:37.03 | dna3e8bertha | I don't think the installer instlled the same driver |
| 23:37.18 | dna3e8bertha | (were is xorg.conf |
| 23:37.26 | maquis | so, you need to find the right driver for your video card |
| 23:37.44 | maquis | or not |
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