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| 01:49.03 | findlay | ~wikipedia++ |
| 02:03.35 | beandog | whose keeping count here? |
| 02:12.29 | findlay | ~karma wikipedia |
| 02:12.30 | ibot | wikipedia has karma of 3 |
| 02:12.53 | findlay | ~wikipedia+=1024 |
| 02:12.56 | findlay | ~karma wikipedia |
| 02:12.56 | ibot | wikipedia has karma of 3 |
| 02:13.02 | beandog | ~karma findlay |
| 02:13.02 | ibot | findlay has karma of 2 |
| 02:13.07 | beandog | ~karma beandog |
| 02:13.08 | ibot | beandog has karma of 1 |
| 02:13.12 | beandog | what a cruel world. |
| 02:13.19 | findlay | ~beandog++ |
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| 02:31.29 | Tene | ~karma tene |
| 02:31.29 | ibot | tene has karma of -9 |
| 02:31.33 | Tene | :( |
| 02:39.25 | beandog | poor Tene |
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| 02:45.26 | findlay | ~tene karma |
| 02:50.26 | levi_home | Back to hacking on OCaml. |
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| 03:05.37 | findlay | how do you get a substring in C? |
| 03:14.05 | spr | strstr |
| 03:14.05 | Kuyaedz | any suggestions on a good python IDE? |
| 03:15.33 | nick125_lappy | Kuyaedz, personally, I've found all the python IDEs to suck |
| 03:16.39 | Kuyaedz | nick125_lappy: Hmm.. I've picked up a python book & trying to get a little more familiar. Don't feel like using vi or nano is helping me |
| 03:17.40 | findlay | eric or anjuta? |
| 03:18.01 | findlay | boaconstructor |
| 03:18.06 | findlay | the rest seem nonfree |
| 03:18.13 | findlay | http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments |
| 03:18.31 | Kuyaedz | findlay: I'm on that page as well.. so many I have no idea where to start :) |
| 03:19.07 | findlay | nonfree or java |
| 03:19.29 | findlay | hmm, wonder how good kdevelop is for python |
| 03:20.09 | nick125_lappy | findlay, I used to use kdevelop..it wasn't bad |
| 03:20.26 | nick125_lappy | I haven't tried the recent versions though |
| 03:20.32 | nick125_lappy | because they won't start up here :( |
| 03:27.40 | levi_home | Kuyaedz: What kind of features are you expecting from an IDE? |
| 03:28.37 | Kuyaedz | levi_home: well I'm still very basic with coding. Basically I'd just like something that'll do syntax highlights & let me run the app/code |
| 03:28.54 | levi_home | emacs has a pretty good python mode. |
| 03:29.00 | Kuyaedz | ...nothing really big. I just don't want to have to write it in vi, save, exit, run, troubleshoot, repeat. |
| 03:29.32 | levi_home | It'll send stuff you type directly to an interpreter, which you can access through an emacs buffer. |
| 03:29.35 | findlay | Kuyaedz: I usually have two terminals open, one for vim and one for shell, which kind of mimicks an ide |
| 03:30.10 | findlay | or gvim and a terminal |
| 03:30.49 | maquis | i'm with findlay... i do things in 2 windows |
| 03:31.05 | levi_home | The emacs way is better. You don't have to use the mouse. |
| 03:31.32 | levi_home | And you get the full power of your editor at your python prompt. |
| 03:32.00 | levi_home | vim is for editing config files. emacs is for programming. ;) |
| 03:32.15 | findlay | I'm with levi_home. With a text editor your hands never have to leave the keyboard while editing text |
| 03:32.53 | levi_home | findlay: So, how does text get from your vim window to your python interpreter window? |
| 03:34.12 | findlay | levi_home: I haven't been in a situation with a running python shell yet |
| 03:34.24 | findlay | usually just batch jobs |
| 03:35.00 | findlay | levi_home: so the emacs python mode has a running shell? |
| 03:35.08 | findlay | that would be nice |
| 03:35.15 | levi_home | It's handy to be able to write a function/method in the editor, then send it directly to the interpreter to test. |
| 03:35.48 | levi_home | Yes. You can have a shell in which you start python (or anything else) or you can have python piped directly into your buffer, with special keybindings to help. |
| 03:36.35 | levi_home | It'll automatically pop up the buffer and start python if you run the 'send-to-python-interpreter' command, or whatever it's called. |
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| 03:38.12 | findlay | there may be a way to extend vim to do that, like create a macro that runs python on the current window and pipes the output to a special buffer |
| 03:38.24 | findlay | or the currently selected text |
| 03:39.28 | Kuyaedz | i'm trying boaconstructor for now.. I don't need anything advanced, just something to help me get started |
| 03:39.48 | findlay | levi_home: but the only way to get an interactive python shell in emacs is with the builtin shell? |
| 03:40.18 | findlay | seems like maybe you would want to run python on the current buffer and then have a way to still interact with the python environment |
| 03:43.45 | findlay | perhaps you could tell python to reload a file or something |
| 03:44.24 | maquis | GRRR! |
| 03:44.50 | findlay | ~grr |
| 03:44.51 | ibot | well, grr is a sound that honeypea makes when she's patient, and should be angry or <honeypea> grr :) |
| 03:50.32 | maquis | why doesn't imagemagick work? |
| 03:51.21 | findlay | maquis: imagemagick is meant to be cryptic. Only the thoroughly evil are granted dominion over it's dark ways |
| 03:52.30 | levi_home | findlay: You can send text from one buffer to another. |
| 03:52.39 | maquis | findlay: i've never had problems with it before |
| 03:52.57 | findlay | levi_home: but can you send text to python? |
| 03:54.05 | levi_home | findlay: Yeah, that's the point of doing it. Python is running with stdin/stdout redirected to emacs, with the interaction showing up in a buffer. Emacs code can send directly to python, and then the results show up in the buffer. |
| 04:01.15 | findlay | is a "string literal" in C interpreted as a char*? |
| 04:02.40 | levi_home | A char * can point to it without complaint, but a string literal is not a pointer. |
| 04:05.00 | levi_home | A string literal is generally an array allocated in the program's static area. |
| 04:07.15 | levi_home | Ugh, C is disgusting. |
| 04:09.04 | findlay | hm, when I do: char * str = "string"; strstr(str,"\n"); it segfaults, however if I define str with a specific buffer it doesn't: char str[32] = "string"; strstr(str,"\n"); |
| 04:09.26 | findlay | I thought C's char*'s knew how long they were |
| 04:10.31 | levi_home | That makes no sense. |
| 04:10.48 | levi_home | A char * is always the same length. |
| 04:11.01 | levi_home | The size needed to store a pointer. |
| 04:11.35 | levi_home | The pointer points to some location in memory, which is, as far as C knows, one gigantic contiguous array. |
| 04:11.55 | levi_home | C is incredibly stupid. |
| 04:11.57 | findlay | but I thought the compiler automatically allocated memory for the value pointed to by a char* |
| 04:12.25 | levi_home | Why did you think that? |
| 04:12.50 | maquis | levi_home: it's not stupid... it just requires that the programmer be as smart as it is |
| 04:12.52 | findlay | that can't be true because a pointer is fixed to a emphatic memory location unless the programmer changes |
| 04:12.52 | levi_home | If you point at a string literal, that string literal is an array somewhere in the program's static space. |
| 04:13.05 | findlay | it |
| 04:13.05 | levi_home | maquis: No, it's stupid and requires the programmer to supply all the smarts. |
| 04:13.11 | findlay | heh |
| 04:13.46 | levi_home | findlay: You can assign any address you want to a pointer. Doing so won't automatically allocate anything. |
| 04:13.47 | findlay | oh, duh I see what I did wrong. It's been too long since I've used C/C++ |
| 04:13.48 | maquis | findlay: your problem is, you're trying to add an extra char to the end of a string that's only long enough to hold what it's already got |
| 04:14.02 | maquis | you just need to give it enough space for what you're trying to store |
| 04:14.11 | levi_home | Plus, it's in the static space in your program! |
| 04:14.22 | findlay | nuh uh, I didn't do anything wrong |
| 04:14.44 | findlay | you guys just didn't understand my higher intellectual rhetoric |
| 04:14.47 | maquis | strstr?? |
| 04:15.06 | findlay | ~strstr maquis |
| 04:15.17 | maquis | ah |
| 04:15.24 | maquis | that's not in my manpages for some reason... wonder if that's a problem with my install |
| 04:15.30 | maquis | yup |
| 04:15.54 | findlay | does bsd use the TLDP manpages? |
| 04:16.12 | maquis | i'm not on bsd anymore |
| 04:16.17 | findlay | really? |
| 04:16.35 | maquis | i'm giving ubuntu a chance, and trying to deal with the fact that they don't stick things like gcc and the c man-pages on the machine by default |
| 04:16.38 | findlay | you've converted to windows? |
| 04:16.52 | maquis | they stick a ton of useless stuff on here by default... but not any of the stuff i actually want |
| 04:17.04 | findlay | what about PC-BSD or something? |
| 04:17.36 | levi_home | maquis: They also give you a trivially easy method of adding and removing packages. |
| 04:17.49 | findlay | yeah |
| 04:18.05 | maquis | levi_home: sure... although if you know where the file that imagemagick wants is, i'd be glad to know |
| 04:18.18 | levi_home | What file does it want? |
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| 04:18.37 | maquis | convert: unable to open module file `/usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.4/modules-Q16/coders/jpg-rotated.la': No such file or directory. |
| 04:18.39 | levi_home | findlay: So, you discovered a solution to your C problem? |
| 04:18.42 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 04:18.45 | findlay | levi_home: yes |
| 04:18.48 | Sargun | bzflag: spitfire.atarack.com:6026 |
| 04:18.50 | levi_home | findlay: What was it? |
| 04:19.25 | findlay | levi_home: I needed to change a char * str; to char str[32]; |
| 04:20.36 | levi_home | That's not a very satisfying answer. |
| 04:22.19 | levi_home | I'm curious to see the context around this problem. |
| 04:22.34 | maquis | levi_home: any ideas on my imagemagick question? |
| 04:23.03 | findlay | maquis: your limagemgick install is broken |
| 04:24.14 | findlay | levi_home: I'm trying to find a string in another string and if it's there then append it to another string |
| 04:24.27 | findlay | I mean append it to a third string |
| 04:24.44 | maquis | findlay: i tried removing it and reinstalling |
| 04:25.02 | levi_home | findlay: I mean I'd like to see the code. |
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| 04:26.31 | levi_home | maquis: I'm poking around my Debian box looking for an answer for you. |
| 04:26.50 | findlay | maquis: did you google your error? |
| 04:27.49 | levi_home | I don't even have a modules-Q16 directory. |
| 04:27.51 | maquis | findlay: i tried, but i can only seem to find things related to the problem on macs... |
| 04:27.59 | maquis | levi_home: me neither... can you rotate images? |
| 04:28.10 | tensai | ~find jpg-rotated.la |
| 04:28.30 | maquis | tensai: i tried locating it, and it's not on my system |
| 04:28.46 | findlay | maquis: you can have my jpg-rotated.la. I'm sure I don't need it |
| 04:28.54 | tensai | maquis: so stop trying to load it! |
| 04:29.05 | maquis | tensai: i'm trying |
| 04:29.24 | findlay | maquis: maybe you should convert to png first or something |
| 04:31.07 | levi_home | maquis: What command line did you use? |
| 04:31.38 | maquis | convert -rotate -90 file1.jpg file2.jpg |
| 04:31.47 | findlay | levi_home: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7Sh1D710.html |
| 04:34.07 | levi_home | maquis: That worked for me. |
| 04:34.11 | tensai | maquis: works for me with Version: 6:6.2.4.5-0.6ubuntu0.2 |
| 04:34.21 | maquis | tensai: that's the version i have |
| 04:34.37 | tensai | reinstall it. apt-get install --reinstall imagemagick |
| 04:34.50 | maquis | i'm using aptitude, but i'll try that again |
| 04:35.31 | maquis | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 04:35.35 | maquis | ^^ lol |
| 04:35.51 | maquis | no wonder it messes so many things up |
| 04:36.05 | findlay | ~maquis ubuntu |
| 04:36.07 | ibot | ACTION breaks ubuntu just by looking in ubuntu's direction |
| 04:36.17 | findlay | hehe |
| 04:36.17 | maquis | uh huh |
| 04:38.44 | maquis | hmmm... on google, i can find one other person who has the problem |
| 04:38.53 | maquis | and they don't have a solution |
| 04:39.00 | findlay | maquis: maybe you should be friends |
| 04:39.59 | levi_home | findlay: That calendar thing is what you were working on? |
| 04:41.40 | findlay | levi_home: I'm trying to find a string in cal_format and then append it to max_fmt |
| 04:41.51 | findlay | except it's not working yet |
| 04:42.06 | levi_home | Where is cal_format defined? Where's the string literal? |
| 04:42.31 | findlay | levi_home: it reads it from a config file |
| 04:43.22 | levi_home | Rather, where is cal_format declared? Is it a file or global scope variable? |
| 04:44.12 | findlay | it's declared as gchar * cal_format at the beginning of the fie |
| 04:44.17 | findlay | s/fie/file |
| 04:44.41 | levi_home | And your current strcat copies the literal string "%b" into max_fmt, making the first three characters '%', 'b', and NULL. |
| 04:44.56 | findlay | that's what I thought it would do |
| 04:45.01 | findlay | but it segfaults |
| 04:47.07 | levi_home | Are you sure that's causing the segfault? |
| 04:47.58 | findlay | strcat(max_fmt,"%b"); causes it |
| 04:48.32 | levi_home | I can strcat a string literal into a buffer on my machine. |
| 04:48.44 | levi_home | How do you know the strcat caused it? |
| 04:48.55 | findlay | because when I comment it out it doesn't segfault |
| 04:49.16 | levi_home | Try running it under gdb. |
| 04:49.57 | levi_home | Compile with the -g option first, of course. |
| 04:50.37 | levi_home | When you comment it out, are you also commenting out the strstr call? |
| 04:51.18 | findlay | #0 0x00002b807db8dd09 in strstr () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 04:51.31 | findlay | hm |
| 04:51.46 | levi_home | Indeed. |
| 04:51.56 | levi_home | Never assume you know where a segfault is happening. |
| 04:52.02 | findlay | but it works if I comment out the strcat one |
| 04:52.16 | findlay | yes, I must have read strstr as strcat before |
| 04:52.42 | levi_home | I suspect cal_format is pointing off into the weeds somewhere. |
| 04:52.57 | findlay | it is |
| 04:52.58 | findlay | (: |
| 04:53.04 | findlay | out in the rough |
| 04:53.26 | levi_home | The peril of C-style pointers. |
| 04:54.00 | findlay | yeah |
| 04:54.23 | levi_home | And thus we see why you shouldn't be programming this in C. ;) |
| 04:57.28 | mheath | ~lart levi_home |
| 04:57.35 | mheath | +f |
| 04:57.52 | levi_home | ~lart mheath |
| 04:58.10 | levi_home | mheath: You can continue coding your Hurd stuff in C, if you'd like. :P |
| 04:58.19 | mheath | bah |
| 04:58.25 | mheath | Today is GREAT |
| 04:58.40 | mheath | And I have a fun date with a REALLY cute girl on Sunday :) |
| 04:58.44 | tensai | ~spend mheath's money |
| 04:58.51 | tensai | ~date mheath's girl |
| 04:58.53 | mheath | A fun little double date :) We're carving pumpkins. |
| 04:59.03 | mheath | ~pumpkin tensai |
| 04:59.05 | findlay | ~carve maquis |
| 04:59.11 | findlay | ~carve mheath rather |
| 05:00.00 | mheath | I got dragged into going to Macy's on Sunday. My sister in law wants to help me choose new clothes :P |
| 05:01.24 | mheath | all in all, a great day |
| 05:01.30 | mheath | But, alas, I have to depart. |
| 05:01.50 | mheath | Time for sleep |
| 05:02.10 | levi_home | Goodnight. |
| 05:02.38 | levi_home | findlay: Did you learn nothing from my paper on the deficiencies of C?! ;) |
| 05:03.03 | levi_home | maquis: If you want your manpages, apt-get install manpages manpages-dev |
| 05:03.30 | maquis | levi_home: i got them already |
| 05:04.08 | bonez41 | what does manpages-dev give? |
| 05:04.35 | levi_home | bonez41: Manpages for development-related stuff. |
| 05:04.44 | levi_home | Mostly evil C library functions. |
| 05:04.56 | bonez41 | ah.....stuff I would likely not be able to use at this point |
| 05:05.09 | findlay | levi_home: nothing at all (: |
| 05:06.00 | findlay | levi_home: if you want to rewrite gkrellm in another language, go ahead (: |
| 05:07.26 | tensai | mheath: regular pumpkins or GNU/pumpkins? |
| 05:07.35 | findlay | ~heh |
| 05:07.37 | ibot | heh |
| 05:11.05 | bonez41 | anyone up for a printing riddle? I have my linux box, at work, on LAN, as well I have a win xp pro box...to which is attached my laser jet iii p .... |
| 05:12.27 | bonez41 | I can print to the laser jet from either machine.....and if I print from windows, running under win4lin on my linux box..to this printer it prints fine....but if I use 'enscript' to print a text file....the print job reaches the printer, but always requires that I hit CONTINUE to print it out...... why might such print jobs arrive and then wait before I hit CONTINUE to print? |
| 05:16.42 | levi_home | I'd check the output of enscript to see if it's generating an odd page size or something. |
| 05:17.03 | levi_home | Postscript is at least somewhat human-readable. |
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| 05:28.24 | findlay | levi_home: I've got him really worked up tonight hehehe |
| 05:32.28 | levi_home | findlay: Who? |
| 05:34.31 | findlay | levi_home: the dude who lives next door and blasts out crap music |
| 05:34.46 | levi_home | What'd you do? |
| 05:36.05 | findlay | well he started at it again and then I gave him the Dvoák treatment |
| 05:36.13 | findlay | what? Stupid xterm |
| 05:36.18 | findlay | Dvorak |
| 05:36.36 | levi_home | Which Dvorak? |
| 05:36.41 | findlay | symphonies |
| 05:36.53 | findlay | 9th and now I'm on the 7th |
| 05:36.55 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 05:37.11 | findlay | and the Carnival Overture |
| 05:37.16 | findlay | that's a good one |
| 05:37.27 | levi_home | Not familiar with it. |
| 05:38.29 | findlay | it's one of Dvorak's best pieces I think |
| 05:46.00 | findlay | mm, Dvorak's 7th |
| 05:58.26 | findlay | what character is '^A'? |
| 06:02.39 | bonez41 | if I have someone's pgp key......or they publish it on a web page..how do I get it onto my system so i can sign mail to send to them? |
| 06:14.58 | Kuyaedz | bonez41: I use kgpg for that. If you copy the entire published key you can then open kgpg, click import & select the 'from clipboard' option |
| 06:18.08 | bonez41 | ah...ok |
| 06:18.38 | Kuyaedz | that's a quick way.. other ways to get it done of course |
| 06:19.22 | bonez41 | loading kgpg here now... |
| 06:20.01 | Kuyaedz | one of the few KDE based apps I prefer to the gnome equivalent |
| 06:22.18 | levi_home | Well, I got my windows DLL built, and it seems to load, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 06:22.36 | levi_home | I'll have to figure it out tomorrow. |
| 06:34.59 | bonez41 | Kuyaedz, do you use mutt? it's my favorite email client... |
| 06:35.38 | bonez41 | I would like to encrypt a message back to someone who provides their key....and kgpg imported their key from clipboard just fine too |
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| 06:45.59 | bonez41 | Robdor, welcome |
| 06:46.19 | Kuyaedz | bonez41: I don't.. I'm stuck with Evolution for compatibility with our POS Exchange server at work |
| 06:46.21 | Robdor | hey |
| 06:47.02 | nick125_lappy | Kuyaedz, POS = point of service? ;) |
| 06:47.15 | Kuyaedz | nick125_lappy: that's the one |
| 06:48.02 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 06:48.53 | bonez41 | Kuyaedz, exchange, eh? do you share calendars, and such....using evolution, with others who run Outlook? |
| 06:50.08 | Kuyaedz | bonez41: occasionally share calendars, but its pretty minimal |
| 06:50.12 | bonez41 | my wife is paying a bit per month.....for this weird exchange service..to simply allow collaborating on shared calendars...and such..I'd love to have her instead just dump it and run something else.. |
| 06:50.12 | Kuyaedz | mainly I use it because it was the only method, outside of the webmail interface, that I could get to work |
| 06:50.37 | bonez41 | Kuyaedz, what's the main thing you use it for? just centralized email? |
| 06:50.45 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, theres something like...openxchange or something |
| 06:50.52 | nick125_lappy | I haven't tried it though |
| 06:52.05 | Kuyaedz | bonez41: just use it to do basic in/out of email |
| 06:52.18 | nick125_lappy | though, if something web-based would be acceptable, theres tons of other options |
| 06:52.45 | nick125_lappy | zimbra, opengroupware (or whatever it was called, don't recall off hand) |
| 06:53.00 | nick125_lappy | phpgroupware |
| 06:53.10 | nick125_lappy | theres a few other options for calender |
| 06:53.14 | nick125_lappy | *calendar |
| 06:54.41 | Kuyaedz | google's got ya covered.. google calendar can share, google spreadsheets & writer are all easy to share & collaborate |
| 06:54.45 | Sargun | hi |
| 06:58.29 | bonez41 | Kuyaedz, the thing with outlook and exchange....are having it all in one application....it's simple that way, despite the huge overhead in disk space.....and memory usage |
| 06:59.39 | Kuyaedz | yeah.. I don't worry about all the extras too much, but Evolution does handle most of the Exchange features so far. |
| 07:01.38 | bonez41 | I have tried, on my debian 3.1 system to install RedCarpet..and thus to get all Evolution features installed, but I get stuck just at installing red carpet |
| 07:02.50 | Kuyaedz | can't just install with aptitude/apt-get? |
| 07:13.18 | bonez41 | maybe I am not installing the right package.... |
| 07:14.56 | bonez41 | I have evolution installed.....it's just that I can't seem to get the connector...to exchange installed... |
| 07:16.44 | Kuyaedz | that is the somewhat tricky part.. you've got to use the webmail address |
| 07:17.31 | Kuyaedz | here is an example of my setup: |
| 07:17.32 | bonez41 | the webmail address? |
| 07:17.35 | bonez41 | ok... |
| 07:17.49 | bonez41 | keep in mind that I don't have the connector to exchange installed yet..... |
| 07:19.22 | Kuyaedz | ok. the packages I have installed (which should be similar for debian) are: evolution, evolution-data-server-common evolution-exchange, evolution-webcal evolution-plugins |
| 07:20.10 | bonez41 | E: Couldn't find package evolution, |
| 07:20.10 | bonez41 | zugraum:/usr/share/doc# |
| 07:20.20 | bonez41 | I get that note...upon attempting to apt-get those |
| 07:21.42 | Kuyaedz | been a while since I've used debian but things shouldn't be too different from ubuntu |
| 07:22.12 | bonez41 | my apt-get didn't want to install evolution-plugins or the evolution-data-server-common |
| 07:22.15 | Kuyaedz | does 'aptitude search evolution' show you the available evolution packages? |
| 07:26.51 | bonez41 | yeah |
| 07:28.28 | bonez41 | what's opensync? |
| 07:28.58 | Kuyaedz | ..not sure |
| 07:29.16 | bonez41 | it shows a plugin.... |
| 07:29.27 | bonez41 | p opensync-plugin-evolution - Evolution plugin for opensync |
| 07:29.42 | bonez41 | that's from 'aptitude search evolution' |
| 07:30.53 | Kuyaedz | waiting for an upgrade to finish before I can see if I've got the same thing. Does that search show you the proper package name you are missing? |
| 07:35.57 | bonez41 | I don't run aptitude that much, so not sure... |
| 07:36.03 | bonez41 | I can paste it all here...is that ok? |
| 07:36.22 | Kuyaedz | or dump it into pastebin.ca & paste teh link |
| 07:36.43 | bonez41 | it's short..I'll dump it here |
| 07:37.00 | bonez41 | zugraum:/usr/share/doc# aptitude search evolution |
| 07:37.00 | bonez41 | i evolution - The groupware suite |
| 07:37.01 | bonez41 | i evolution-data-server - evolution database backend server |
| 07:37.01 | bonez41 | p evolution-data-server-dev - Development files for evolution-data-serv |
| 07:37.01 | bonez41 | p evolution-dev - Development library files for Evolution |
| 07:37.01 | bonez41 | i evolution-exchange - Exchange plugin for the Evolution groupwa |
| 07:37.03 | bonez41 | i evolution-webcal - webcal: URL handler for GNOME and Evoluti |
| 07:37.05 | bonez41 | v evolution1.5 - |
| 07:37.07 | bonez41 | p libmultisync-plugin-evolution - Ximian Evolution plugin for MultiSync |
| 07:37.09 | bonez41 | p openoffice.org-evolution - Evolution Addressbook support for OpenOff |
| 07:37.11 | bonez41 | v openoffice.org2-evolution - |
| 07:37.13 | bonez41 | p opensync-plugin-evolution - Evolution plugin for opensync |
| 07:37.33 | Kuyaedz | looks like its already installed |
| 07:38.17 | bonez41 | ok....I assume i is installed...p is pending, .. v? not sure |
| 07:38.28 | Kuyaedz | if you try to create a new account in evolution is one of the drop-down options Exchange? |
| 07:39.02 | bonez41 | let me check |
| 07:40.16 | bonez41 | on the task bar at left....Exchange is there, witha red plug icon |
| 07:41.45 | bonez41 | oh, you mean if i hit File | New do I see Exchange there under the dropdown? |
| 07:41.57 | bonez41 | Exchange is not a drop down option |
| 07:42.31 | Kuyaedz | nah, if you try to create a new email account. Edit > Preferences > Mail Accounts > New |
| 07:42.53 | Kuyaedz | I am up to Evolution 2.8.1 so things might be in slightly different places.. |
| 07:45.42 | bonez41 | ok, I open settings, and then new accoutns...and Microsoft Exchange is listed there...clearly as one for Server Type |
| 07:45.56 | Kuyaedz | ok |
| 07:46.22 | Kuyaedz | then you just need to fill in the information for the exchange server.. |
| 07:46.26 | bonez41 | does that indicate I have things installed correctly? |
| 07:46.31 | Kuyaedz | looks like it |
| 07:49.20 | Kuyaedz | it was a little tricky for me getting the right information in.. |
| 07:49.23 | bonez41 | ok...wife is using this Mailstreet server....what if I wanted to setup a mailserver locally....I guess I'd have to be running winders and exchange and all that,e h? |
| 07:50.26 | Kuyaedz | probably.. is she using mailstreet as an alternative to a direct exchange server from an office? |
| 07:51.01 | bonez41 | yeah, mailstreet is hosting the email...and allowing her to connect from anywhere...plus they have imap...so she can get email on her palm treo 650 too |
| 07:53.28 | Kuyaedz | i've got to get to bed |
| 07:53.34 | bonez41 | ok, thanks for the help |
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| 08:01.23 | bonez41 | ibot, say hi |
| 08:01.25 | ibot | hi |
| 08:27.29 | Sargun | hi |
| 08:28.19 | Sargun | What is "TODO" in C? |
| 08:28.23 | Sargun | Is that some sort of call |
| 08:28.26 | Sargun | or to-do |
| 08:28.49 | Sargun | bonez41, any update on the VoIP? |
| 08:40.18 | bonez41 | Sargun.....walking through my , our layout plan when wife is home tomorrow night...... |
| 08:40.39 | Sargun | what does she do? |
| 08:41.03 | bonez41 | Sargun, she teaches spanish..the site is lamo.....but here it is: 2ndlanguagesuccess.com |
| 08:41.25 | bonez41 | she does spanish traning for large groups.....and provides training materials... |
| 08:41.42 | Sargun | fun |
| 08:41.50 | nick125_lappy | ... that site is...wow |
| 08:41.52 | bonez41 | she has spent thousands on (scuze the french....) utterly SHITTY designers who have no clue..... |
| 08:42.23 | nick125_lappy | my designs might not be great looking, but, they are some of the cleanest HTML/CSS code |
| 08:42.23 | nick125_lappy | :) |
| 08:42.35 | bonez41 | I want really, to have her set things up on FOSS everything.....from the web site...with a good content management package a la mambo et al....to the rest...running LAMP to keep track of it all... |
| 08:42.50 | Sargun | drupal |
| 08:42.52 | Sargun | FTW |
| 08:43.08 | nick125_lappy | personally, I would use a custom little system written in django |
| 08:43.21 | Sargun | ~lart nick125 |
| 08:43.23 | Sargun | ~lart nick125_lappy |
| 08:43.29 | bonez41 | she has designers who create her cards using Illustrator, and Adobe products......and Quark Express....I think it could all be done using linux applications......and much better too |
| 08:43.43 | Sargun | rip a design off oswd |
| 08:43.45 | bonez41 | django? |
| 08:43.52 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, python web framework |
| 08:44.08 | bonez41 | python web framework for..what ? the CMS? |
| 08:44.12 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 08:44.21 | Sargun | writing in it is like taking a gun, shooting yourself in each of your knuckles, and writing C code |
| 08:44.23 | bonez41 | I set her up with SugarCRM.....but she wouldn't use it..wouldn't take the time to learn how |
| 08:44.27 | nick125_lappy | you probably could write a CMS for the site in probably...a night or two |
| 08:44.35 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, thats your cherrypy system |
| 08:44.52 | nick125_lappy | nobody that wishes to keep their sanity can read your code |
| 08:45.05 | bonez41 | she has thousands of clients....who have either attended her seminars....or bought her products...off her web site.... |
| 08:45.22 | nick125_lappy | you could use SVG for the cards |
| 08:45.42 | bonez41 | it's all in boxes...while it should be in a RDBMS....like MySQL..or postgresql...so taht we could be marketing to all these people and updating them |
| 08:45.54 | bonez41 | what's SVG? |
| 08:45.59 | nick125_lappy | got an example of a card? |
| 08:46.02 | bonez41 | Here's what I'd like.... |
| 08:46.06 | nick125_lappy | scalable vector graphics |
| 08:46.11 | bonez41 | look on the site...... |
| 08:46.57 | nick125_lappy | with SVG, its much easier to edit then bitmap-based editors |
| 08:47.10 | bonez41 | just pick a card and view it there.....http://www.2ndlanguagesuccess.com/products.htm |
| 08:47.24 | nick125_lappy | aah, I see |
| 08:47.31 | bonez41 | I think I could tackle this..given a chance.. |
| 08:47.37 | nick125_lappy | @#*%#$^&(@$&$@(&#$(%&#&@)%^&$# |
| 08:47.42 | nick125_lappy | the javascript is broken |
| 08:48.14 | nick125_lappy | you probably could |
| 08:48.16 | bonez41 | if you notice, each card has to be scored...so there is a space at 1/3rd and 2/3rds of the card vertically, to allow for scoring and folding.. |
| 08:48.53 | bonez41 | what I want is to be able to create a card and take it to print....and have it come out looking great...like the others do now....they're all sent now as .pdf files..... |
| 08:49.15 | nick125_lappy | some printers support SVG |
| 08:49.47 | bonez41 | and then have them all organized in a database... and the clients, as I said...and contact information..so that we could see which cards sell msot..and where sales come from......and create marketing campaigns via email, and snail mail and faxing......to reach out to all those clients...... |
| 08:49.56 | nick125_lappy | with SVG, you can make it the size of posters, or the size of a 1"x1" square, and, there won't be any pixelization (though, it might be hard to read on the 1"x1" square_ |
| 08:50.10 | bonez41 | what's an application that creates SVG? does scribus? or inkscape? |
| 08:50.17 | nick125_lappy | inkscape, xara xtreme |
| 08:50.28 | bonez41 | Ihave played a bit with inkscape.... |
| 08:51.03 | bonez41 | currently she is wanting me and some others to just enter everyone's name and address and contaact data on a spreadsheet and then later incorporate it all into a database... |
| 08:51.07 | nick125_lappy | scribus *might* export to SVG |
| 08:51.17 | bonez41 | I think..why create al those errors....do it in a database first |
| 08:51.22 | nick125_lappy | excel spreadsheet? |
| 08:51.27 | bonez41 | excel, yeah |
| 08:52.08 | bonez41 | thus my interest in the trixbox set up......so that incoming calls to her....could always reach her...either at home,, or on cell phone....or route to professional voicemail..... |
| 08:53.17 | bonez41 | she needs to have a centralized email set up....so that all employees have a <name@2ndlanguagesuccess.com> address...and it's all archived.a.nd managed.......and retrievable....... |
| 08:53.48 | bonez41 | and the contact list for clients, vendors..and all that should be available to everyone whether in utah here..or in PA or in CA..or wherever..... |
| 08:53.50 | nick125_lappy | IMAP? |
| 08:53.59 | Sargun | isn't that any sort of e-mail system |
| 08:54.01 | nick125_lappy | (for email) |
| 08:54.05 | bonez41 | well, IMAP i suppose.. |
| 08:54.20 | nick125_lappy | for a contact list, you could use something like sugarCRM |
| 08:54.21 | bonez41 | but a centralized contact list? address list....? |
| 08:54.47 | nick125_lappy | if she wanted to use webmail, you *could* do roundcube |
| 08:54.54 | nick125_lappy | and a normal IMAP server |
| 08:55.29 | bonez41 | the interest in evolution....usage... is to allow her secretary who schedules flights and such, could post all the events to her calendar and then my wife would see the changes and meetngs and such..on her calendar when she opens it..... |
| 08:55.55 | bonez41 | sugarCRM has a calendar..but it's not very good at sharing yet.... |
| 08:56.06 | bonez41 | like outlook or evolution would be... |
| 08:56.07 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, doesn't the menu on that site look like the one on the...ugh, I can't remember the name of that one provider |
| 08:56.21 | Sargun | :-? |
| 08:56.23 | nick125_lappy | that one voip provider |
| 08:56.38 | nick125_lappy | the one we were looking at using for that voip project |
| 08:56.51 | bonez41 | ArrivalTel? |
| 08:57.00 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, no, something different |
| 08:57.20 | Sargun | iax.cc? |
| 08:57.22 | Sargun | plainvoip |
| 08:57.27 | Sargun | too many companies |
| 08:57.49 | bonez41 | hmmmm |
| 08:58.28 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, I think it was the old telasip site |
| 08:59.39 | Sargun | ah |
| 08:59.53 | Sargun | whats the else if of C? |
| 08:59.53 | nick125_lappy | yeah, I think it was |
| 09:00.52 | bonez41 | is what I describe possible......I could save my wife THOUSANDS if I could set up stuff like this..and have it all coordinated..and working....to improve her business....... |
| 09:01.28 | nick125_lappy | definitely |
| 09:01.42 | nick125_lappy | even if it costs you $500-$800 to start up, it will probably quickly pay for itself |
| 09:01.50 | bonez41 | yeah, it would...... |
| 09:01.55 | bonez41 | I think |
| 09:01.58 | nick125_lappy | how much does she pay for email? |
| 09:02.26 | bonez41 | the email is like 50 to 60 per month...for this mailstreet thing....... |
| 09:03.01 | bonez41 | and it isn't being used...but some lady she hooked up with from back east 'sold' her on Mailstreet..said it was better than sex...and convinced her to go with it....... |
| 09:03.29 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 09:03.37 | bonez41 | now she is just frustrated by it all....it limits email size to 100 mb..sshe sends images and design work back and forth..that far exceeds that...in just a few days..... |
| 09:04.00 | bonez41 | so the current set up is not conducive to effective operation |
| 09:04.06 | nick125_lappy | you could get a dedi/colo/VPS for way less then that and get way more functionality |
| 09:04.20 | bonez41 | I am the unwitting IT desginate...who has to advise her on how to proceed with all this |
| 09:06.00 | nick125_lappy | you could move web/mail/VoIP all into one box |
| 09:06.00 | bonez41 | nick125, please, describe what I could get.....for that....I told you yesterday her costs....are around 120 per month for cell...shared minutes 1500...she and I.....plus 50 for cable from comcast..and 25 for VOIP from vonage.....plus the 60 per month for Mailstreet ow |
| 09:06.01 | bonez41 | now |
| 09:06.11 | nick125_lappy | how much is she paying for hosting? |
| 09:06.14 | bonez41 | that would be good to have it all on one powerful server....with a UPS...downstairs... |
| 09:06.26 | bonez41 | hosting her site...ah, that's like $20 per month.... |
| 09:06.42 | bonez41 | so it all adds up |
| 09:06.45 | bonez41 | clearly |
| 09:07.07 | nick125_lappy | you might want to look at colocating that box, as you might not have enough bandwidth from your house |
| 09:07.26 | nick125_lappy | thats just my opinion though |
| 09:08.15 | nick125_lappy | for voip, it would probably cost....*thinks* I'm just guessing, but, for 2 lines (1 incoming number and 2000 minutes), I would guess $20-$40 |
| 09:08.55 | nick125_lappy | on mail, thats going to cost not too much, even if you move it to a colocated/dedicated/VPS, its still cheaper then paying $60 *JUST* for email |
| 09:09.02 | bonez41 | ok, what does colocating mean? I hear the term..our box lives at the server, i.e. if you managed this..our box lives at your place...and feeds us the data but resides offsite..? |
| 09:09.37 | nick125_lappy | colocating would mean taking the box and putting it into a datacenter, they hook it up to a nice bandwidth pipe and power it |
| 09:09.41 | bonez41 | that email cost is this exchange remote access mailstreet issue..... |
| 09:10.44 | bonez41 | could you do this.....email me at sanchiro@gmail.com with these figures...what this would cost to set up....not the web design or other ..just the voip/email/web hosting.....a rough layout of all that? a quote if you will? |
| 09:11.32 | nick125_lappy | where would you host it? |
| 09:11.38 | nick125_lappy | would you colocate your box, etc? |
| 09:11.51 | bonez41 | colocate the box..yeah...... |
| 09:12.05 | nick125_lappy | is it rack-mounted? |
| 09:12.14 | bonez41 | don't you run this....hosting? .... or would I hire xmission to colocate this? |
| 09:12.39 | bonez41 | no.....I'd need to get a new server..put it together....and stuff with memory and drives..... |
| 09:12.51 | nick125_lappy | we do colocation and VPS, and will offer dedicated soon |
| 09:12.58 | bonez41 | I should ask xmission about colocating this.... |
| 09:13.01 | bonez41 | ok...... |
| 09:13.10 | bonez41 | anyway, I think you get a good idea of what we are looking to do... |
| 09:13.21 | nick125_lappy | if you aren't going to use too many resources, you might want to look at getting VPS, rather then colocating |
| 09:13.50 | nick125_lappy | it has a lower monthly cost, and, you don't have to buy a server |
| 09:14.06 | bonez41 | what is VPS? |
| 09:14.30 | nick125_lappy | virtual private server |
| 09:15.19 | nick125_lappy | basically, its a "dedicated" server, and, you get root access to it, but, the resources are shared |
| 09:16.19 | bonez41 | it's my server, and I control it but it resides in a server farm....amongst many others? |
| 09:17.26 | nick125_lappy | basically, you are sharing a dual xeon box, and, you have root access to a part of the server (each VPS has its own dedicated RAM sections, disk space, IPs, etc) |
| 09:19.03 | nick125_lappy | lets say if another VPS crashes, yours won't be affected |
| 09:19.03 | bonez41 | ok, a virtualized server...makes sense.... |
| 09:19.13 | bonez41 | it's contained..and protected..of course |
| 09:19.42 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 09:31.30 | nick125_lappy | I'll probably get that quote to you...probably in the morning |
| 09:31.59 | bonez41 | ok... |
| 09:32.00 | bonez41 | thanks |
| 09:37.29 | Sargun | Is it a bad thing when you have no clue what the code your working on does, etc etc. |
| 09:37.41 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 09:37.42 | ibot | pong |
| 09:43.43 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, yes, it is |
| 09:44.05 | Sargun | it is |
| 09:44.58 | Sargun | WTF! |
| 10:05.20 | Tene | FedEx doesn't deliver packages on Saturday, does it? |
| 10:05.45 | nick125_lappy | Tene, I don't think they do |
| 10:06.20 | nick125_lappy | I think they charge extra for it |
| 10:06.50 | nick125_lappy | though, it looks like you can pick up the package at the fedex facility |
| 10:08.42 | nick125_lappy | expecting a package? |
| 10:12.20 | Tene | Yep. Originally going to arrive today, the delivery date got pushed back to the 17th, but looks like it arrived in the North Salt Lake location this evening. |
| 10:13.15 | Tene | So you're suggesting that if I go visit them tomorrow I could talk them into giving me my package? |
| 10:13.24 | nick125_lappy | its possible |
| 10:13.37 | nick125_lappy | http://www.fedex.com/us/services/options/express/saturday.html |
| 10:14.58 | Tene | Hmm... |
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| 11:17.02 | mheath | bah |
| 11:17.24 | mheath | I hate people that, despite barely being able to speak English at all, already use "u" instead of "you", etc. |
| 11:27.17 | nick125_lappy | they just sound so stupid when they use "u" and "ur" |
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| 11:29.58 | nick125_lappy | its only two more characters to not sound like a total dork |
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| 18:04.57 | vontrapp | man, clutch line bleeding sure takes a looong time |
| 18:11.54 | QBFreak | vontrapp: never had the joy, I have bled a brake line though (under the supervision of someone who knew what he was doing) |
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| 18:29.12 | bonez39 | elg, Schoenen guten Tag.......Wie gehts? |
| 18:29.28 | elg | fig eights |
| 18:29.42 | bonez39 | that's a fun way to spell it... |
| 18:31.23 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:42.03 | levi_home | http://www.paragent.com/lisp/cusp/cusp.htm |
| 18:59.13 | vontrapp | it just keeps going and going, there is no end to the air bubbles |
| 18:59.35 | vontrapp | but if indeed it was the master and not the slave, then that means it got worse when i replaced the slave |
| 18:59.39 | vontrapp | hrmmm |
| 18:59.47 | vontrapp | which doesn't make sense |
| 18:59.49 | levi_home | Clutch problems? |
| 19:02.20 | vontrapp | i've had a slow leak somewhere for some time |
| 19:02.30 | vontrapp | always have to add fluid about every other week |
| 19:02.48 | vontrapp | it's gotten worse this past couple weeks, have to refill couple times a week now |
| 19:02.49 | levi_home | I've had that happen on a couple of cars, and it was the slave cylinder on both of them. |
| 19:03.06 | levi_home | But that doesn't mean it's not the master cylinder on yours, of course. :) |
| 19:03.15 | vontrapp | and... when the car is parked for any significant time, the pedal would just go right to the floor |
| 19:03.22 | elg | I think it's emcnabb's fault |
| 19:03.26 | vontrapp | a couple of pumps would revive it and the clutch would work |
| 19:03.39 | vontrapp | this sounds like a cylinder problem, no? |
| 19:04.00 | levi_home | Yeah. |
| 19:04.15 | vontrapp | and there is what appears to be brake fluid at the front of the engine house (near the slave cylinder) |
| 19:04.21 | vontrapp | so i figure it's gotta be the slave |
| 19:04.44 | vontrapp | well, now i'm bleeding and it just won't run out of air |
| 19:04.44 | levi_home | Gotta be careful with brake fluid. It eats paint. |
| 19:04.44 | vontrapp | i've been at it for over an hour |
| 19:04.46 | vontrapp | si |
| 19:04.49 | vontrapp | yeah, i know |
| 19:05.32 | vontrapp | i went through more probably almost a quart of fluid already |
| 19:05.45 | vontrapp | s/more // |
| 19:06.07 | levi_home | I wonder if some air is creeping in during the bleeding process. |
| 19:06.23 | vontrapp | that's what i wonder, but from where? |
| 19:06.57 | vontrapp | it won't get enough pressure _at all_ to even release the clutch now |
| 19:07.17 | vontrapp | and before i replaced it, it at least worked, if not 100% |
| 19:08.04 | levi_home | You replaced it with a new slave cylinder? |
| 19:08.12 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 19:08.30 | levi_home | Hmm. Beats me. |
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| 19:11.44 | levi_home | ls |
| 19:11.48 | levi_home | Whoops. |
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| 20:12.23 | Tene | My package is in the North Salt Lake FedEx location, but they don't deliver on Saturdays... |
| 20:12.36 | Tene | I don't suppose it would be possible for me to just go pick it up... |
| 20:14.33 | vontrapp | call and ask |
| 20:14.41 | vontrapp | so, it is the master cylinder that's bad |
| 20:14.46 | vontrapp | but i got it out! |
| 20:14.55 | vontrapp | my manual said i had to take of my whole console |
| 20:15.10 | vontrapp | but no, i showed it! through some fancy yoga wrenchwork!! |
| 20:15.27 | vontrapp | i think my hair is all messed up now |
| 20:20.07 | Tene | fix it using fancy yoda wrenchwork. |
| 20:27.30 | vontrapp | nah, the gasket is pretty shot in it |
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| 20:40.33 | elg | the gasket in your hair? |
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| 20:52.59 | Tene | They won't let me pick it up until after the third delivery attempt. |
| 20:53.03 | Tene | I suspected as much. |
| 20:57.07 | elg | grr |
| 20:57.08 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/17703 |
| 20:57.19 | elg | I did _not_ ask you to overwrite my files, thanks |
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| 22:06.17 | vontrapp | ok! who wants to help me bleed? |
| 22:08.28 | vontrapp | ~bleed eleg |
| 22:09.03 | vontrapp | ibot: bleed $who is <action> puts a wrench to $who's ear and get's $randnick to pump the nose |
| 22:09.04 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 22:09.10 | vontrapp | ~bleed elg |
| 22:09.11 | ibot | ACTION puts a wrench to vontrapp's ear and get's jnbek to pump the nose |
| 22:09.19 | vontrapp | darrrr |
| 22:12.47 | mheath | erm? I'm not sure I understand. |
| 22:13.00 | mheath | hos does one bleed with a wrench?] |
| 22:13.30 | vontrapp | bleeding of hydroulic lines |
| 22:13.42 | mheath | Yes, but that doesn't involve a wrench.... |
| 22:14.14 | vontrapp | it does if the location of the little nobby thing is crampy and your finger hurt from doing it too long |
| 22:14.22 | mheath | And tomorrow i have a date with a very cute girl :) |
| 22:14.30 | vontrapp | and you do have to get it loose in the first place |
| 22:14.44 | vontrapp | i'm married to a very cute girl :-P |
| 22:15.09 | mheath | Lots of people are setting me up on blind dates all of the sudden. |
| 22:15.54 | mheath | vontrapp: yes, but do you get to go to a ball tonight?! ;-) |
| 22:16.11 | mheath | ~ball vontrapp |
| 22:17.17 | vontrapp | no, she's working until late late |
| 22:17.30 | vontrapp | i don't even get to go to the dollar movies :( |
| 22:17.53 | mheath | I'm there as an 'adult leader'. LMAO. |
| 22:18.26 | mheath | I left my cellphone at home this morning :( |
| 22:18.44 | mheath | I drove all the way home from UoU area so I could make a phone call |
| 22:18.59 | vontrapp | how can you be and adult LMAO without your cell phone? |
| 22:19.06 | vontrapp | s/and/an/ |
| 22:19.26 | mheath | bah. |
| 22:19.49 | mheath | It's a military youth group thingy. I participated in it for years, I'm an 'adult leader' now. Good group =) |
| 22:21.45 | macnewbold | hm, sounds funny |
| 22:22.11 | macnewbold | military youth groups don't have the best track record, looking back historically |
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| 22:49.04 | levi_home | vontrapp: Got your car working again? |
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| 23:04.13 | levi_home | Hitting ^D in a cygwin xterm seems to be a bad thing. |
| 23:06.45 | tensai | that's lame |
| 23:06.55 | levi_home | Indeed. |
| 23:07.53 | tensai | ^D doesn't work on ciscos either and it drives me nuts |
| 23:21.43 | elg | how is it bad? |
| 23:21.50 | elg | I've never had trouble with ctrl-d in xterm |
| 23:22.01 | elg | oh wait, I've never used xterm in cygwin |
| 23:22.04 | elg | I just use rxvt |
| 23:22.47 | levi_home | Once I hit it, I can no longer type anything. |
| 23:26.29 | levi_home | This is the crappiest chess framework ever. |
| 23:28.48 | macnewbold | sometimes ^Q and ^S do something similar to that to me... apparently they're XON and XOFF or something |
| 23:29.21 | tensai | I actually use ^S and ^Q on occasion |
| 23:29.32 | tensai | once I learned what they were for |
| 23:30.03 | levi_home | ^D functions like an XOFF without a corresponding XON. :) |
| 23:30.19 | levi_home | "Press this key to hose everything" |
| 23:34.23 | nick125_lappy | tensai: bring us some :P |
| 23:36.01 | elg | levi_home: that's quite a claim |
| 23:48.10 | levi_home | elg: What, about the chess framework? |
| 23:50.31 | elg | yeah |
| 23:51.02 | levi_home | It is quite crappy. |
| 23:52.23 | levi_home | Instead of doing something sane like taking a move in algebraic notation, you have to subclass a ChessAI class and implement GetNextMove. |
| 23:53.10 | elg | ah yes, the OOP as an ends not a means disease |
| 23:53.41 | elg | my graphics prof has it too. he gives us templates with weird not-quite-OOP design. |
| 23:53.54 | elg | e.g. http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hue/cs476/Programs/hw1.java |
| 23:54.14 | levi_home | They've got some example wrapper classes that talk to a DLL that I'm using, but it looks like I'm going to have to switch from C to C++ so I can use references. |
| 23:54.31 | elg | why should there be a line class? why should that line class have a set_val method instead of just a constructor, if it has to exist in the first place? |
| 23:58.35 | vontrapp | elg: to make your life difficult |
| 23:58.42 | vontrapp | levi_home: yeah, works great now |
| 23:58.54 | vontrapp | $70 for the both cylinders, though :/ |
| 23:58.56 | elg | oh it doesn't. I just made my own sane template |
| 23:58.59 | elg | he doesn't care |
| 23:59.12 | levi_home | vontrapp: You can get rebuild kits for the cylinders, you know. |
| 23:59.55 | vontrapp | yeah, but i thought i only needed one |