| 00:09.31 | *** join/#utah mikey (i=mikey@unaffiliated/mikey) |
| 00:09.36 | mikey | utah :cool: |
| 00:10.00 | graphyx | This is for the provo linux users group. |
| 00:10.16 | Sargun | someone kickban mikey |
| 00:10.21 | graphyx | well I don't suppose only that group, but it;s the main one here. |
| 00:10.28 | mikey | linux :cool: |
| 00:10.37 | mikey | Sargun, i like utah. |
| 00:10.50 | Sargun | your also a troll. |
| 00:10.58 | mikey | Sargun, come over to wht. |
| 00:11.02 | mikey | i'm not a troll. |
| 00:25.02 | emcnabb | mikey: welcome |
| 00:25.09 | mikey | evening. |
| 00:25.45 | Sargun | mikey, Why are you following me around IRC? |
| 00:25.55 | mikey | What? |
| 00:26.04 | Sargun | don't act ignorant |
| 00:26.09 | mikey | I'm not. |
| 00:26.16 | graphyx | Well Sargun you are quite the celery. and mikey is a celery stalker. |
| 00:26.21 | Sargun | Heh |
| 00:26.33 | mikey | are you peanut butter? |
| 00:26.38 | Sargun | Why are/were you in #atarack #atarack-abuse #init |
| 00:26.45 | mikey | i wasn't in #init. |
| 00:26.57 | mikey | i was in atarack because nick mentioned it to us in #wht |
| 00:27.10 | Sargun | and posting ASCII art in #atarack-abuse |
| 00:27.10 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 00:27.31 | mikey | well that was because i thought you guys would like to see this pretty nfo i found. |
| 00:27.49 | graphyx | umm... guys. Get a room, ok? |
| 00:28.15 | mikey | Sargun, come over to irc.webhostingtalk.com #ub3r |
| 00:28.20 | mikey | we're a happy group. |
| 00:30.05 | Sargun | ok |
| 00:30.44 | macnewbold | ~sargun mikey |
| 00:30.47 | ibot | Want a VPS, mikey ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, mikey ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, mikey ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 00:31.02 | mikey | ibot, i have a dedicated server, heh. |
| 00:31.03 | ibot | You have a dedicated server, heh.? |
| 00:31.09 | Sargun | ibot, no, xbmodder is not anything |
| 00:31.10 | ibot | okay, Sargun |
| 00:31.25 | Sargun | ibot, delete xb |
| 00:31.26 | ibot | Segmentation fault. |
| 00:31.26 | Sargun | ibot, delete xbmodder |
| 00:31.27 | ibot | Segmentation fault. |
| 00:31.30 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, the old was was true :/ |
| 00:31.38 | Sargun | ~kick nick125_lappy |
| 00:31.39 | ibot | bugger off, sargun! |
| 00:31.40 | Sargun | :-P |
| 00:34.27 | macnewbold | ~lart Sargun |
| 00:37.47 | mheath_ | Sargun: hmm, some weird guy following someone around into IRC channels they have no reason to be in? |
| 00:37.51 | mheath_ | Kinda reminds me of someone else |
| 00:37.54 | mheath_ | What was his name again? |
| 00:38.08 | Sargun | lol |
| 00:38.14 | Sargun | ~lart me |
| 00:40.27 | mheath_ | ~xbmodder |
| 00:40.29 | ibot | xbmodder is probably not anything |
| 00:50.12 | graphyx | ibot, xbmodder is sargun |
| 00:50.14 | ibot | ...but xbmodder is already something else... |
| 00:50.25 | graphyx | ibot, no, xbmodder is sargun |
| 00:50.26 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 00:50.31 | graphyx | ~xbmodder |
| 00:50.33 | ibot | it has been said that xbmodder is sargun |
| 00:52.40 | Sargun | lol |
| 00:52.48 | Sargun | ~sargun hello |
| 00:52.50 | ibot | Want a VPS, hello ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, hello ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, hello ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 00:52.54 | Sargun | grrgle |
| 00:53.07 | Sargun | ibot, no, sargun is not anything |
| 00:53.08 | ibot | okay, Sargun |
| 00:53.31 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, I need to talk to you in PM |
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| 00:57.47 | linuxalien | Installfest time! |
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| 01:00.30 | findlay | ~install linuxalien |
| 01:03.00 | linuxalien | What happened? |
| 01:03.03 | linuxalien | no install? |
| 01:03.21 | Sargun | Whats a good pcap file analyzer, other than tcpdump, wireshark, and ntop? |
| 01:03.22 | findlay | ibot just doesn't have any distro in the staging area I guess |
| 01:03.46 | findlay | libpcap |
| 01:04.18 | findlay | vi my_way_cool_pcap_app.c && make my_way_cppl_pcap_app && ./it |
| 01:04.44 | findlay | no felicity in this world like coding in C |
| 01:05.49 | findlay | don't tell levi I said that |
| 01:05.49 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:07.32 | linuxalien | I'm gonna go see if anyone is here for the installfest |
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| 01:42.08 | findlay | levi: escalation. This is just for you |
| 01:43.04 | findlay | no better composer for it than Dvorak |
| 01:43.05 | findlay | (-: |
| 01:44.02 | findlay | now I've got him all worked up |
| 01:44.05 | findlay | hehehe |
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| 01:53.18 | graphyx | If you are going to keep bouncing I think you deserve every lart you get. |
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| 02:01.09 | elg | bouncing? |
| 02:01.14 | elg | hey, why am I bouncing? |
| 02:01.19 | Tene | disconnect and reconnecting repeatedly |
| 02:01.45 | elg | 19:49 and 19:51 |
| 02:01.56 | elg | one reconnect |
| 02:01.58 | elg | hardly bouncing |
| 02:02.19 | graphyx | true. |
| 02:02.42 | nick125_lappy | wow, did you guys hear about the evidence they found in the reiser case? |
| 02:02.56 | graphyx | was it all in his journal? |
| 02:03.00 | graphyx | and not even a reboot would clear it out? |
| 02:03.08 | graphyx | Now that would be ironic.. |
| 02:03.16 | elg | nick125_lappy: link? |
| 02:03.25 | nick125_lappy | they said his car had traces of nina's blood, and hte front passenger seat was missing |
| 02:03.28 | graphyx | I would have gotten away with it except my Fs wouldn't purge on a crash.. |
| 02:03.31 | nick125_lappy | http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/12/BAGR7LO3UI96.DTL |
| 02:03.47 | graphyx | It truly is sad. |
| 02:03.55 | nick125_lappy | and he had a few books on homicide investigations, few days after she went missing |
| 02:04.12 | graphyx | That someone who has done so much for so many people, and does this to those who should be close to him. |
| 02:04.36 | nick125_lappy | "Hans Reiser, 42, had assaulted his wife, Nina Reiser, 31, during the course of their separation in 2004 and had threatened to harm her "for the rest of her life," police said in a statement filed in Alameda County Superior Court in Oakland. The statement gave no further details on the alleged assault." |
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| 02:07.28 | nick125_lappy | it looks really damning against him :/ |
| 02:09.02 | elg | still it's circumstantial |
| 02:10.46 | macnewbold | is that the ReiserFS guy? |
| 02:10.57 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 02:11.23 | elg | "police evidence including trace amounts of blood found in Hans Reiser's living room and car, which "cannot be eliminated" as being from Nina Reiser." |
| 02:11.36 | elg | so do they know it's her blood or not? |
| 02:12.26 | elg | and the books - if you were gonna do a homicide you'd check out the books before, not a week later |
| 02:12.47 | nick125_lappy | it was 3 days later |
| 02:12.55 | levi_home | Unless it wasn't planned. |
| 02:13.37 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 02:14.02 | elg | 5 days |
| 02:14.17 | elg | according to http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/stories/027462.html it was bought at barnes and noble on sep 8 |
| 02:14.40 | elg | there's some more in that article, though |
| 02:14.53 | nick125_lappy | 5 days then.. |
| 02:15.01 | elg | Also inside Reiser's car were a large roll of black trash bags, a map of Manteca, CA and atlas of northern California, ‘shop' towels, a sleeping bag with a blood stain, masking tape, and recently purchased items from Kragen Auto Parts including a socket wrench and socket and a siphon pump. |
| 02:15.39 | nick125_lappy | and, where is the front passenger seat of his car? |
| 02:15.50 | elg | match the blood on the sleeping bag up and find the car seat |
| 02:16.39 | elg | it doesn't look so good, but it's no crime to remove your car seat or buy books |
| 02:17.08 | elg | circumstantial evidence is good for telling the police they're on the right track |
| 02:17.18 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
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| 02:17.55 | elg | or might be anyway. |
| 02:19.26 | elg | here's a twist |
| 02:19.26 | elg | http://www.symlink.ch/comments.pl?sid=06/10/11/0911258&cid=1 |
| 02:21.30 | nick125_lappy | o.0 WTF |
| 02:23.00 | mheath_ | Weird. My laptop keeps locking up under Ubuntu |
| 02:23.05 | mheath_ | Complete, total unresponsiveness. |
| 02:23.51 | findlay | mheath_: your laptop is no good. Ubuntu is the chosen distro |
| 02:24.31 | mheath_ | It's just weird, I've never had any problems with Ubuntu before. |
| 02:24.36 | mheath_ | erm, problems like this before* |
| 02:25.18 | levi_home | elg: Did you read the article that links to? Crazy stuff. |
| 02:25.20 | levi_home | Death Yoga? |
| 02:25.24 | mheath_ | TacoJockey or atoponce, how goes the install fest? Sorry I couldn't make it. |
| 02:25.26 | elg | no |
| 02:25.46 | elg | which link |
| 02:25.59 | levi_home | The cbs5 onr. |
| 02:26.01 | levi_home | one. |
| 02:26.49 | TacoJockey | Hi mheath_ |
| 02:27.01 | TacoJockey | It's ok. There's 5 of us |
| 02:27.10 | mheath_ | aww, that stinks. |
| 02:27.44 | TacoJockey | Yeah, it kinda sucks |
| 02:30.24 | levi_home | Hmm, Hans Reiser acted as his own attorney in the lawsuit that Sturgeon filed against him. |
| 02:30.47 | levi_home | He seems like kind of an idiot, despite his mad coding skillz. |
| 02:32.41 | mheath_ | cool, it turns out that while my monitor has the problems it's always had, the big new problem WAS caused by a bad cable. |
| 02:32.46 | levi_home | This one on the recent evidence has quite a different spin: http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_285132336.html |
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| 02:38.28 | elg | hah. "Berkeley was a lot better than junior high school, but it still involved homework, which deep down in my heart I could never believe in." |
| 02:38.55 | levi_home | Another idiot-worthy phrase. |
| 02:39.23 | elg | i'm suddenly glad I don't use reiserfs |
| 02:40.03 | levi_home | I think the stuff he was trying to do was kind of cool, but... |
| 02:40.34 | levi_home | I think RMS often does idiotic things too, but I still respect his coding skills, even if he doesn't use them anymore. |
| 02:43.36 | cbrown | findlay, are you still here? |
| 02:46.50 | mheath | Ooh, I'm apparently reserving a rather virual bed in a virtual room |
| 02:47.25 | levi_home | How so? |
| 02:47.33 | mheath | This is an email to confirm that you have cancelled your reservation for room {Room} in bed {Bed} for 2007 - Spring. |
| 02:48.02 | mheath | Good thing they let me know it was an e-mail there, too |
| 02:48.10 | mheath | wondering what this was in my e-mail inbox |
| 03:00.50 | scott | dell 20" widescreen $339, lowest price by $20 |
| 03:01.48 | mheath | eh? advertising? O.o |
| 03:04.03 | scott | sharing a good deal in case anyone else is looking for the same thing |
| 03:11.06 | mheath | Ah. |
| 03:11.45 | mheath | scott: You don't talk much. Your just the nick that I see with disappointment when I try to tabcomplete scothoser and see he's not here ;-) |
| 03:24.35 | mheath | Hey, does anyone know if there are any open source projects for Kitchen Management + POS device control for restraunts? |
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| 03:27.39 | levi_home | Haven't heard of anything. |
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| 03:42.24 | mheath | I really should get to sleep soon. bah. |
| 03:42.35 | mheath | playing with Ubuntu and Cedega is timewasting |
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| 03:47.39 | mheath | gah. I hate that. I bend down, and my knee will pop really, really loud and start to hurt quite a bit. |
| 03:48.01 | cbrown | Then don't do that. |
| 03:48.19 | mheath | Yeah, I'll remember to never bend down again :) |
| 03:48.20 | cbrown | It's called "aging". |
| 03:48.36 | mheath | cbrown: I'm 17. But thanks :) |
| 03:48.53 | cbrown | LOL. Then that means you started aging 17 yrs ago. |
| 03:49.32 | mheath | ~lart cbrown |
| 03:49.44 | mheath | Jeez, Cedega is temperamental for something I'm paying for |
| 03:49.56 | mheath | I'll get the sound working properly, then the game will start to freeze on startup |
| 03:58.47 | calvarez | dude |
| 03:58.53 | calvarez | for gaming just use Windows |
| 03:59.14 | calvarez | you're using Cedega (non-free) to play commercial games (non-free either) |
| 03:59.25 | calvarez | why not avoid pain and use Windows for gaming? |
| 04:00.18 | mrpull-w | remember those discs you could put in a sega dreamcast to play a handful of playstationgames? |
| 04:01.18 | mrpull-w | why not just buy a playstation? |
| 04:04.07 | mheath | calvarez: because this runs better, and faster? |
| 04:04.18 | mheath | and I don't have to setup my system as dual boot when this is the ONE reason I'd need to do that? |
| 04:06.15 | mheath | besides, I have everything working now :) |
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| 04:42.07 | levi_home | Hi, elg. |
| 04:42.19 | levi_home | I've got my OCaml-to-C stuff figured out... |
| 04:42.40 | levi_home | Now I just need to do the wrapper coding and do that final DLL step. |
| 04:43.01 | levi_home | That tarball you sent me was very informative. Thanks. |
| 05:14.19 | elg | glad to help |
| 05:20.13 | bonez41 | here's a question..while booting..I see stuff like Appletalk..and other things loading..I don't think I will have any fruit flavored machines connecting..how do I get rid of such modules, or other daemons.....so I can boot up faster? |
| 05:24.55 | Sargun | Any history nuts: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfg4xqbk_2fhdpdv |
| 05:25.01 | bonez41 | shhhhhhh, one response at at time, PLEASE....... |
| 05:25.06 | Sargun | commentary on differences and similarities |
| 05:25.19 | Sargun | Linux? |
| 05:25.39 | Sargun | or Mac OS X |
| 05:26.06 | bonez41 | oh, my system is linux, debian 3.1 |
| 05:26.59 | Sargun | update-rc.d |
| 05:27.01 | Sargun | I think |
| 05:30.15 | bonez41 | Sargun, hmmm ok, that's getting there....I'll check the man page... |
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| 05:52.46 | mheath | Goodnight. |
| 05:53.03 | mheath | Yo quero mucho denaro. |
| 05:53.18 | mheath | Everyone should come to APplebees in Riverdale, and get expensive takeout orders, and tip very well. |
| 05:53.23 | mheath | Mmmk? |
| 05:54.36 | nick125_lappy | if you can DCC the food, sure :p |
| 05:59.14 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:59.40 | bonez41 | Sargun, curious...do you run a business? any experience with asterisk? |
| 05:59.50 | Sargun | bonez41, yeah |
| 05:59.55 | Sargun | Yes to both |
| 06:00.39 | Sargun | bonez41, why? |
| 06:00.58 | nick125_lappy | I have more experience then Sargun though :) |
| 06:01.36 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, whatcha need? |
| 06:01.40 | bonez41 | just curious what you do.......is all......I am a Chiropractor...thinking of running asterisk with trixbox.....getting help from ArrivalTel..... |
| 06:01.53 | bonez41 | nick125, what's your business background? |
| 06:02.07 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, Sargun and myself run a VPS provider |
| 06:02.23 | Sargun | Collocation too! |
| 06:02.34 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, not until november.. |
| 06:02.36 | nick125_lappy | member? |
| 06:03.05 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, personally, I don't like trixbox.. |
| 06:03.06 | Sargun | ArrivalTel's website is slow. |
| 06:03.15 | Sargun | bonez41, what are you looking at doing? |
| 06:03.22 | Sargun | Just basic voicemail? |
| 06:03.46 | Sargun | Or some sort of complex conferencing service between you, the patient's normal doctor, and the patient |
| 06:03.53 | Sargun | and an appointment checking system |
| 06:03.53 | Sargun | etc. |
| 06:04.19 | nick125_lappy | arrivaltel's site hasn't loaded :/ |
| 06:04.22 | Sargun | which plan are you looking at |
| 06:04.26 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, I used google cache |
| 06:04.26 | bonez41 | Sargun, well, voicemail....and customized greetings....and I'd like to make VoWLAN work....run a server at my home....for home lines for wife's business.and mine too... |
| 06:04.29 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, are they your voip carrier? |
| 06:04.30 | Sargun | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:Sx9VPflxx7kJ:www.arrivaltel.com/+ArrivalTel&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&strip=1 |
| 06:04.37 | Tene | http://dirtymicrobe.com/products/no-place-like-home |
| 06:04.56 | bonez41 | Sargun, want to project a professional corporate image when people call....have things routed right....so they never get a busy signal... |
| 06:05.04 | Sargun | bonez41, what kind of usage are you looking at? |
| 06:05.15 | bonez41 | nick125, no, arrivaltel is not yet....I have vonage at home at work...but want more flexibility |
| 06:05.19 | Sargun | bonez41, oh, so a redundant asterisk server? |
| 06:05.54 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, there are a few options you have |
| 06:05.58 | Sargun | bonez41, what kind of usage are you looking at? (For VoIP?) |
| 06:06.02 | nick125_lappy | you first need to find a voip carrier |
| 06:06.09 | bonez41 | yeah.....I'd elimiante the service from vonage.....and run it myself on my server... |
| 06:06.20 | bonez41 | kind of usage..not sure I understand what you are asking |
| 06:06.29 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, he means how many calls a month, etc |
| 06:06.34 | bonez41 | arrivaltel is the voip carrier....if i understand things... |
| 06:06.36 | Sargun | minutes |
| 06:06.37 | findlay | bonez41: did you get your sata problem fixed? |
| 06:06.57 | Sargun | and simultaneous calls |
| 06:07.00 | bonez41 | findlay, yeah, had to run gpart and then testdisk..and fsck.ext3 a few times...to get things cleaned up |
| 06:07.08 | findlay | bonez41: I just signed up with them. They are good so far |
| 06:07.22 | bonez41 | sargun lots of minutes...I call all over the country and wife does too for her work.... |
| 06:07.38 | findlay | I've been able to use connect to them via IAX2 |
| 06:07.39 | bonez41 | findlay, so they are a voip provider right? |
| 06:07.43 | findlay | yes |
| 06:08.14 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, what kind of setup are you planning? just voicemail, or are you planning a setup with SIP phones, etc? |
| 06:08.30 | bonez41 | right now, I pay about $100 per month for broadband and phone...and wife pays around 80...for home...for same.... |
| 06:08.40 | bonez41 | sip phones...... |
| 06:08.42 | findlay | bonez41: I'd start asking on the UTAUG |
| 06:09.01 | bonez41 | I just found that yesterday..and will keep a close eye on UTAUG...and visit the meetngs |
| 06:09.15 | Sargun | bonez41, if you can give me a total figure, I can put it into my calculator |
| 06:09.18 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, where are you planning on having the SIP phones? |
| 06:09.43 | nick125_lappy | i.e. are they going to be in the same location as the server |
| 06:09.54 | bonez41 | Sargun, I honestly don't know how many minutes...let's say though.....4000 minutes...local/long distance, per month... |
| 06:10.06 | Sargun | incoming included? |
| 06:10.09 | bonez41 | nick125, sip phones both at office and home |
| 06:10.16 | bonez41 | Sargun, yeah, incoming included... |
| 06:10.20 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, okay, but, where are the majority of the phones going to be? |
| 06:10.24 | bonez41 | I would have to get my statements out and see.... |
| 06:10.41 | nick125_lappy | (i.e if you are going to have most phones at work, might be better to put the server there, or, vice versa) |
| 06:10.56 | bonez41 | a couple phones at home.....and 3 phones at work......2 lines at work.....1 line at home for now, but will likely expand |
| 06:11.04 | Sargun | bonez41, thats $60 a month (unlimted calls simul.) |
| 06:11.17 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, well, its possible to get a provider that does unlimited concurrent calls |
| 06:11.30 | nick125_lappy | but, it would be at a per minute rate, which is probably what Sargun is saying |
| 06:11.35 | Sargun | lets say $20 per line for unlimited plan |
| 06:11.51 | Sargun | 6*20=120 vs. per minute at $60 |
| 06:11.53 | bonez41 | right, i know part of the calling plans with arrivaltel are per minute..... |
| 06:12.28 | bonez41 | that's my monthly cost..right, but then I add on the broadband, and that rounds out my per month fees for telecom and net access |
| 06:13.25 | nick125_lappy | you might be better off putting a box at the office..unless your server is on a decent pipe, and you have a decent pipe to your office |
| 06:13.43 | bonez41 | at home I have comcast..which is pretty snappy |
| 06:13.44 | nick125_lappy | each SIP channel (depends on codec) takes around 120kbit or so |
| 06:13.54 | findlay | bonez41: one thing that will happen supposing you get an asterisk server up + sip phones is that your phone traffic will consume a lot of your bandwidth |
| 06:13.57 | bonez41 | office is qwest/xmission.....bare dsl line |
| 06:14.06 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, comcast might object to running a SIP server |
| 06:14.09 | findlay | ~xmission++ |
| 06:14.22 | Tene | ~xmission++ |
| 06:14.29 | findlay | nick125_lappy: nah, don't tell them (: |
| 06:14.30 | nick125_lappy | ~speakeasy-- |
| 06:14.40 | bonez41 | isn't comcast offering digital telephone service now too..over their own hardware? |
| 06:14.46 | bonez41 | I wont' tell them nuthin |
| 06:14.50 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, yep, they are |
| 06:14.53 | findlay | unless they have something in their TOS I'd tell them "too bad" |
| 06:14.53 | nick125_lappy | in some areas least |
| 06:15.01 | nick125_lappy | findlay, they do |
| 06:15.05 | nick125_lappy | prohibiting any kind of server |
| 06:15.10 | nick125_lappy | unless you got a static IP |
| 06:15.18 | findlay | then I'd drop their monopoly service |
| 06:16.06 | bonez41 | ok...... |
| 06:16.31 | nick125_lappy | what kind of upload on the comcast line? 768? |
| 06:17.16 | findlay | bonez41: that's just me, though |
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| 06:17.51 | findlay | ~juice lart |
| 06:17.53 | nick125_lappy | I'm trying to find their ToS |
| 06:18.43 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/2006/10/rip-jordan-cameron-petrie.html |
| 06:18.47 | nick125_lappy | "# run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;" |
| 06:19.14 | findlay | ugh |
| 06:19.18 | nick125_lappy | I guess they got rid of the static IP clause |
| 06:19.43 | findlay | that's retarded |
| 06:20.02 | findlay | don't they even understand what the web was invented for? |
| 06:20.11 | dilvie | heh |
| 06:20.17 | dilvie | I use filesharing all the time |
| 06:20.18 | nick125_lappy | findlay, they don't really care |
| 06:20.26 | dilvie | on comcast |
| 06:20.28 | findlay | nick125_lappy: I know |
| 06:20.37 | dilvie | I have better web servers though |
| 06:20.42 | dilvie | the upstream cap sucks |
| 06:21.21 | nick125_lappy | with the policies aside.. |
| 06:21.24 | Sargun | 1.39 cents per minute is normal. |
| 06:22.02 | Sargun | bonez41, at work, what kind of line do you have? |
| 06:22.04 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, I think you would need around..700bit of up and down bandwidth |
| 06:22.10 | nick125_lappy | for 6 concurrent calls |
| 06:23.24 | bonez41 | nick125, upload.....600, I think... |
| 06:23.27 | bonez41 | I need to check... |
| 06:23.29 | Sargun | bonez41, at work? |
| 06:24.03 | bonez41 | Sargun, at work...it's qwest dsl....with ip provided by xmission..... |
| 06:24.48 | Sargun | do you have a dedi? |
| 06:25.04 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, the thing I'm worried about is the comcast line.. |
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| 06:25.43 | bonez41 | nick125, what would be your concern about the comcast line? |
| 06:25.53 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, policies and upload |
| 06:25.54 | bonez41 | Sargun, not sure what dedi is |
| 06:26.03 | nick125_lappy | dedicated server |
| 06:26.03 | bonez41 | nick125, oh.... |
| 06:26.08 | Sargun | Do you have some sort of high-bandwidth line? |
| 06:26.17 | Sargun | to route everything through? |
| 06:26.18 | bonez41 | for asterisk, it would be a dedicated server....yes.. |
| 06:26.44 | Sargun | ah, and how much does your provider charge for bandwidth? |
| 06:27.33 | bonez41 | Sargun, again, a great question....at 40 to qwest.......that's their standard dsl line....plus $19 to xmission..... |
| 06:27.40 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, when Sargun says dedicated, he means in a datacenter usually |
| 06:27.48 | Sargun | or on a fiber line |
| 06:27.58 | Sargun | or a couple bonded T1s |
| 06:27.59 | Sargun | something |
| 06:28.00 | bonez41 | well, I don't run a datacenter....i am not that sophisticated |
| 06:28.01 | Sargun | reliable |
| 06:28.06 | bonez41 | no fiber...or t1 |
| 06:28.38 | Sargun | bonez41, looking at your bandwidth, if someone decided to load -- lets say images.google.com -- your phone would jitter |
| 06:28.46 | Sargun | nick125_lappy has experienced that when talking to me |
| 06:28.58 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 06:31.26 | nick125_lappy | total, you would need around 90kbit in and 90kbit out per call, or, if the server is in your house and a phone in the house calls, thats 45 each way |
| 06:32.14 | bonez41 | Sargun, well, it jitters now, with vonage..... |
| 06:32.54 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, and this would use more bandwidth (when a call goes to the office) |
| 06:33.11 | bonez41 | what I should probably do.....is get two lines at my office..one jsut for data..and the other just for VOIP....traffic..and that would solve the data and call corruption issue |
| 06:33.44 | nick125_lappy | I'm not worried as much about the office line as I'm worried about hte house line |
| 06:33.45 | Sargun | bonez41, look at this |
| 06:33.48 | Sargun | give me a minute |
| 06:33.53 | nick125_lappy | since the office line will only push 45kbit each way |
| 06:34.04 | nick125_lappy | 135kbit for all three lines utilized |
| 06:34.24 | nick125_lappy | but, on the server, it would be more like..270kbit |
| 06:34.34 | nick125_lappy | not including the lines at home |
| 06:35.03 | bonez41 | ok.....back in 1 minutes |
| 06:36.10 | Sargun | This is if you had a dedi (btw thats only like $10 a month): http://xbmodder.us/tmp/cent.png |
| 06:36.24 | Sargun | not as pretty: http://xbmodder.us/tmp/notCent.png |
| 06:36.27 | Sargun | not centralized |
| 06:36.36 | nick125_lappy | you could get a dedi/colo/vps somewhere, and put the asterisk server there. that way the comcast line would only need 90kbit of upstream b/w, and on the office line, 135kbit |
| 06:38.28 | Sargun | As a disclaimer me and nick125_lappy run a VPS provider, so our opinions might be biased <legal blah> |
| 06:38.36 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, lol |
| 06:38.44 | nick125_lappy | I'm not being biased at all |
| 06:38.51 | Sargun | yeah |
| 06:38.54 | Sargun | but mheath is here |
| 06:38.54 | nick125_lappy | I'm just telling what probably won't work |
| 06:38.55 | Sargun | too |
| 06:39.07 | Sargun | 80 kbit, not 90 |
| 06:39.15 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, 90kbit for ulaw |
| 06:39.21 | nick125_lappy | 45kbit per stream upload |
| 06:39.24 | nick125_lappy | estimated |
| 06:39.25 | Sargun | uhh |
| 06:39.55 | Sargun | last time I measured it it was 80 |
| 06:39.57 | Sargun | er |
| 06:40.00 | bonez41 | oh, regarding the png....wife's work and home are the same place..it's a home office for her |
| 06:40.02 | Sargun | like 81-86 actually |
| 06:40.06 | Sargun | oh |
| 06:40.09 | Sargun | bonez41, heh |
| 06:40.26 | nick125_lappy | yeah, lets see whos paying attention there, Sargun ;) |
| 06:40.31 | Sargun | bonez41, well, you have to have an asterisk server at each location |
| 06:40.33 | Sargun | still |
| 06:40.50 | Sargun | Lets see total cost not including the VoIP: |
| 06:40.51 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, if you used the "centralized" model in your setup, you wouldn't |
| 06:41.01 | Sargun | Dedi: 14.95 |
| 06:41.11 | Sargun | Initial investment (A bunch of ATAs): |
| 06:41.14 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, that's not exactly a dedi, Sargun.. |
| 06:41.15 | Sargun | lets say |
| 06:41.19 | Sargun | 60*3 |
| 06:41.20 | nick125_lappy | it depends |
| 06:41.21 | Sargun | $180 |
| 06:41.33 | nick125_lappy | do you want decent IP phones/TAs or the cheapest pieces of crap you can find? |
| 06:41.38 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, I was saying for ad-hoc |
| 06:41.49 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, you can get a decent TA for $60.00 |
| 06:41.52 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, I know |
| 06:41.56 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, well.. |
| 06:42.03 | nick125_lappy | I like IP phones better ;) |
| 06:42.08 | bonez41 | I want the phones to work..to be consistent...I don't want to shoot the wad per phone..just something reliable.. |
| 06:42.08 | Sargun | not here |
| 06:42.17 | Sargun | hmm |
| 06:42.26 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, I think for this system, IP phones would be better |
| 06:42.30 | Sargun | no |
| 06:42.32 | Sargun | why? |
| 06:42.37 | Sargun | bigger investment |
| 06:42.40 | nick125_lappy | more features |
| 06:42.58 | Sargun | he is a basic user |
| 06:42.59 | nick125_lappy | each IP phone would be around..$120 |
| 06:43.04 | Sargun | he doesn't need tha |
| 06:43.05 | Sargun | that |
| 06:43.14 | nick125_lappy | polycom has a nice phone for $135 |
| 06:43.28 | nick125_lappy | 2 lines |
| 06:43.35 | bonez41 | waht advantage does one gain by having IP phones? |
| 06:43.46 | Sargun | more features |
| 06:43.53 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, more features, less clutter (no TAs) |
| 06:44.06 | nick125_lappy | and, Ip phones would be better if you don't have existing phones |
| 06:44.10 | bonez41 | TA being the phone adapter? |
| 06:44.11 | Sargun | less point of failures |
| 06:44.13 | Sargun | yeah |
| 06:44.14 | nick125_lappy | or have phones that only work with an older PBX system |
| 06:44.15 | nick125_lappy | yup |
| 06:44.17 | Sargun | SIP to POTS |
| 06:44.18 | nick125_lappy | like with vonage |
| 06:44.30 | nick125_lappy | most vonage adapters are TAs |
| 06:44.36 | Sargun | they are all ATAs |
| 06:44.41 | bonez41 | well, at home I have three wireless phones....plugged into exsting system, to which my motorola adapter is attached |
| 06:44.48 | nick125_lappy | (They got one cordless phone thing that could be considered an IP phone) |
| 06:44.57 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, that motorola adapter is a TA |
| 06:45.07 | nick125_lappy | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=757 |
| 06:45.13 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, what about at the office? |
| 06:45.29 | nick125_lappy | you could get polycoms at the office and a TA at the house |
| 06:46.09 | Sargun | Either of these devices will work: |
| 06:46.09 | bonez41 | ok.... |
| 06:46.09 | Sargun | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=317 |
| 06:46.13 | nick125_lappy | do you have existing phones at the office? |
| 06:46.30 | Sargun | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=713 |
| 06:46.32 | bonez41 | at office..I have a linksys rt31p2...I think..somethins like that..with two lines..and 3 port router |
| 06:46.45 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, do you want to use the existing phones at the office? |
| 06:46.57 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, thats a yes |
| 06:47.06 | findlay | should I hack on portaudio tonight or gkrellm? |
| 06:47.09 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, not exactly :P |
| 06:47.17 | bonez41 | well, I'd like to chuck my existing phones out the window..they are bad.....need to be destroyed... |
| 06:47.17 | Sargun | portaudio |
| 06:47.20 | findlay | so many options |
| 06:47.24 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:47.29 | findlay | or bzflag? |
| 06:47.29 | Sargun | bonez41, :-( |
| 06:47.40 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, are you okay with the phones at the house? |
| 06:47.47 | Sargun | and if you ever want to go back to older style POTs phones, IP phones won't let you do that |
| 06:48.09 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, with TAs, you are still wasting money if you go back to POTS |
| 06:48.13 | Sargun | yeah |
| 06:48.17 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, he doesn't want his old phones |
| 06:48.20 | Sargun | its ATA not TA |
| 06:48.23 | nick125_lappy | he wants them to go bye bye |
| 06:48.33 | findlay | portaudio hasn't been updated in forever on gentoo |
| 06:48.35 | bonez41 | the house phones...three wireless sets...work great |
| 06:48.40 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, okay |
| 06:48.51 | nick125_lappy | ATA at the house, IP phones at work |
| 06:49.00 | bonez41 | yes |
| 06:49.02 | bonez41 | nick |
| 06:49.11 | Sargun | bonez41, lets do a SPA-2002 at home |
| 06:49.21 | Sargun | and a couple (nice) IP phones at work |
| 06:49.25 | nick125_lappy | I heard polycoms are better for Ip phones |
| 06:49.34 | Sargun | cisco makes NICE IP phones |
| 06:49.38 | nick125_lappy | IP301s are pretty inexpensive |
| 06:49.49 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, yeah, but, thats $250-$500 per phone |
| 06:49.53 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:50.05 | nick125_lappy | well, voipsupply has one for $170 |
| 06:50.05 | bonez41 | $250 per phone? eeeek... |
| 06:50.26 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, how about $135? |
| 06:50.32 | nick125_lappy | per phone, for the office |
| 06:50.40 | Sargun | * Cannot join #atarack (You are banned). |
| 06:50.47 | nick125_lappy | you could get grandstream (aka barbiestream) for $90 a phone |
| 06:50.51 | bonez41 | perhaps taht would work |
| 06:51.20 | Sargun | grandstream is just an ATA + normal phone |
| 06:51.27 | nick125_lappy | if you are on a tight budget: http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=331 |
| 06:51.33 | Sargun | my grandstream ATA fried out my $200 cordless phone... |
| 06:51.43 | nick125_lappy | not as tight budget: http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=757 |
| 06:51.52 | bonez41 | ok, this should give me plenty to research...... |
| 06:52.06 | Sargun | bonez41, feel free to ask |
| 06:52.11 | Sargun | any questions |
| 06:52.15 | findlay | cbrown: October 24, 10:00 AM |
| 06:52.18 | nick125_lappy | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=255 < if you are related to donald trump |
| 06:52.31 | bonez41 | ok...... |
| 06:53.08 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:53.54 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, well he is a doctor :-P |
| 06:54.32 | bonez41 | according to my student loans....hehehe, |
| 06:56.13 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, but, thats $500 a phone |
| 06:58.01 | bonez41 | doctors aren't all made of $$...despite the public perception |
| 06:58.04 | Sargun | Centralized: |
| 06:58.15 | Sargun | ATAs: One at house $70 |
| 06:58.28 | Sargun | 2 IP phones at office: $260 |
| 06:58.44 | Sargun | Dedicated 13.95 a month to 29.99 a month |
| 06:58.54 | Sargun | Decentralized: |
| 06:59.08 | Sargun | Fatter internet connection: $20-$1500 dollars |
| 06:59.47 | Sargun | Asterisk boxen: $40 in digium zaptel FXS cards per box: $80 |
| 07:00.08 | Sargun | new (nice) office phones: |
| 07:00.19 | Sargun | $100 |
| 07:00.30 | nick125_lappy | A working asterisk system: priceless |
| 07:00.36 | bonez41 | indeed |
| 07:01.29 | nick125_lappy | I think centralized would be the cost-effective alternative |
| 07:02.10 | Sargun | and easier to setup |
| 07:02.32 | Sargun | Linode, Unixshell, Atarack, TekTonic |
| 07:02.33 | Sargun | uhh |
| 07:02.37 | Sargun | rackspace |
| 07:02.39 | Sargun | vr.org |
| 07:02.56 | Sargun | he.net |
| 07:03.29 | Sargun | neverblock is owned by goozbach |
| 07:03.54 | Sargun | a good VoIP provider: |
| 07:03.55 | Sargun | iax.cc |
| 07:03.56 | nick125_lappy | you could do a little more redundent system by getting two VPSes/dedis |
| 07:04.07 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, if you never need support, sure |
| 07:04.09 | Sargun | or collacation FTW |
| 07:04.32 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, goozbach is a frickin' RHC-Everything |
| 07:04.52 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:06.17 | nick125_lappy | for example, you coudl get a neverblock VPS and a VPS from somewhere else, then, if one goes down, you could probably switch it over in 20 minutes or so |
| 07:06.25 | nick125_lappy | maybe run a heartbeat between them or something |
| 07:06.51 | Sargun | heartbeat + asterisk is like gun + head |
| 07:06.54 | Sargun | head is good alone |
| 07:06.58 | Sargun | guns are ok alone |
| 07:07.04 | Sargun | but when you combine them |
| 07:07.06 | Sargun | its not good. |
| 07:07.08 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:08.12 | Sargun | Night |
| 07:08.19 | nick125_lappy | Sargun, sleep? |
| 07:08.26 | nick125_lappy | its only 12:08am there! |
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| 07:12.15 | bonez41 | thanks for the suggestions |
| 07:15.35 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, AP history essay |
| 07:19.53 | nick125_lappy | bonez41, sure, if you need anything else, let me know |
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| 07:53.04 | nick125_lappy | oo |
| 07:53.07 | nick125_lappy | what kind of juice? |
| 07:53.11 | nick125_lappy | orange juice? |
| 07:53.13 | nick125_lappy | apple juice? |
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| 12:51.05 | goozbach | buhahah |
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| 13:09.38 | ibot | somebody said gatech was where calvarez is? |
| 13:09.38 | goozbach | :) |
| 13:09.48 | goozbach | just to forestall the questions |
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| 13:57.17 | redbeard1 | er. i mean. good morning! |
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| 14:02.29 | redbeard1 | feh. wussy single nukes. |
| 14:07.29 | graphyx | ~funky elg |
| 14:07.41 | graphyx | ~funkybomb elg |
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| 14:29.30 | Sargun | mhmmm mhmmm, good! |
| 14:30.14 | emcnabb | ~lart mheath |
| 14:30.48 | Sargun | heh |
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| 14:32.59 | emcnabb | it's a small world. I just got assigned to work with a large company on some RHEL/SAN issues. One of my contacts there is a student of mine from one of my classes while at GL |
| 14:44.04 | jsmith | Cool |
| 14:45.24 | goozbach | heh |
| 14:45.43 | goozbach | ~bzfrag redbeard1 |
| 14:45.46 | ibot | ACTION makes redbeard1 feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 14:46.56 | redbeard1 | ~dog goozbach |
| 14:46.57 | ibot | ACTION stares at goozbach until goozbach whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 14:52.19 | levi | Morning. |
| 14:53.19 | goozbach | ~bzfrag redbeard1 |
| 14:53.20 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill redbeard1, but redbeard1 finds the shield flag |
| 14:53.26 | goozbach | doh |
| 14:53.37 | goozbach | ~travolta redbeard1 |
| 14:53.38 | ibot | ACTION replaces redbeard1 with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 14:53.39 | redbeard1 | w00t! |
| 14:53.48 | redbeard1 | huh? |
| 14:53.50 | goozbach | better than a single nuke? |
| 14:54.02 | goozbach | ~funkybomb redbeard1 |
| 14:54.03 | ibot | ACTION blows away redbeard1 in a psychedelic flash |
| 14:54.05 | redbeard1 | shouldn't travolta be some kind of saturday night thing? |
| 14:54.08 | redbeard1 | yeah, like that |
| 14:54.20 | goozbach | ~strangelove redbeard1 |
| 14:54.21 | ibot | ACTION destroys half the channel just to get rid of redbeard1 |
| 14:54.31 | redbeard1 | that's a good one |
| 14:54.35 | goozbach | redbeard1: you've never played scorched3d? |
| 14:55.24 | redbeard1 | not 3d, no |
| 14:57.54 | goozbach | you should give it a chance |
| 14:57.58 | goozbach | it ROXORS |
| 14:58.03 | goozbach | mi boxors |
| 14:58.22 | graphyx | but with goozbach what doesn't. |
| 14:58.54 | goozbach | bonsai kittens |
| 14:59.00 | goozbach | don't roxor mi boxors |
| 14:59.04 | goozbach | sadly |
| 15:00.05 | graphyx | wouldn't they fit in your boxors? |
| 15:00.28 | graphyx | I mean you could have an entire liter in your boxors... |
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| 15:03.41 | elg | http://www.flickr.com/photos/barjack/243592153/ |
| 15:04.29 | redbeard1 | oh man |
| 15:04.41 | redbeard1 | yeah, don't leave those unattended |
| 15:05.22 | graphyx | Was that in Nevada? |
| 15:06.16 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:07.14 | levi | So, either there's a lot of prostitution around there, or it's an agricultural community and someone has invented a gasoline-powered garden hoe. |
| 15:08.52 | elg | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2006/01/friday-13th.html |
| 15:08.59 | elg | happy Friday the 13th |
| 15:11.03 | graphyx | That's true... |
| 15:14.47 | redbeard1 | too bad it's a non-credit class: http://continue.utah.edu/lifelong/detail.php?searchid=LLPOT648 |
| 15:15.53 | graphyx | I don't think it would count as a religion credit transferable to BYU either.. |
| 15:15.58 | mheath | bah |
| 15:16.01 | mheath | findlay: ping |
| 15:17.35 | goozbach | insane in the membrane |
| 15:19.58 | Jayce^ | insane, got no brain |
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| 15:22.25 | goozbach | loco en el coco |
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| 15:32.13 | calvarez | ~gatech |
| 15:32.14 | ibot | methinks gatech is where calvarez is? |
| 15:32.29 | calvarez | lol, who did this? |
| 15:37.08 | goozbach | thankyouverymuch |
| 15:37.11 | goozbach | :D |
| 15:38.02 | redbeard1 | ~goozbach |
| 15:38.03 | ibot | rumour has it, goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 15:38.32 | levi | Umm, what makes Jordy thing 'Shelley the Republican' is for real? That site is quite obviously a parody. |
| 15:39.42 | redbeard1 | levi: is it? i dind't look around much at it, i was just taking his word for it |
| 15:39.45 | findlay | ~pong mheath |
| 15:39.46 | ibot | mheath: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:39.53 | findlay | heh |
| 15:40.20 | levi | redbeard1: Yes, it's a parody. Like Stephen Colbert, but online. |
| 15:40.35 | levi | Apparently some people think Stephen Colbert is 'for real', too. |
| 15:40.48 | rsimpkins | He is. |
| 15:41.10 | redbeard1 | wait, colbert's not real? |
| 15:41.47 | rsimpkins | The thing about those shows that keeps people watching is that they are political commentary shows that use humor to hid a pretty strong agenda. |
| 15:42.31 | levi | It's a time-honored tradition. |
| 15:42.42 | levi | Satire, that is. |
| 15:44.14 | findlay | goes all the way back to ancient Greece |
| 15:44.15 | levi | I was reading about very early Greek plays, as the form was first developing. One of the first uses was political satire. |
| 15:44.47 | findlay | they would have a trilogy of tradgedy plays and a 4th Satyr(?) play |
| 15:45.13 | findlay | satyr derives from faun or goat or something |
| 15:45.33 | levi | Yeah, half-man, half-goat. |
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| 15:55.57 | goozbach | I'm much closer to a cue-ball today |
| 15:56.02 | goozbach | I shaved my head last night |
| 15:56.14 | goozbach | SATIRE!!! woot |
| 15:58.07 | graphyx | anyone familiar with irc.efnet.org? |
| 15:58.47 | graphyx | I can't connect using gaim. It says to do a /quote, but the connection is immediately closed before I can do the "/QUOTE PONG :cookie". |
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| 16:01.48 | findlay | graphyx: maybe you need to automate it? |
| 16:04.44 | graphyx | perhaps. I don't know how to do that with gaim. It's not worth the headache of figuring that out at this point. |
| 16:04.46 | graphyx | Thanks thouh. |
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| 16:09.19 | levi | Hmm. I'm making my first foray into running a Ruby on Rails app. Trying to get Gullery to work. |
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| 16:32.16 | findlay | what port do you typically send printer jobs on with lpr? |
| 16:32.27 | elg | lp0? |
| 16:32.55 | findlay | it's a network printer |
| 16:33.15 | findlay | so I'm not sure how it talks |
| 16:34.04 | elg | cups or no? |
| 16:34.52 | findlay | cups |
| 16:35.14 | elg | then you set up the printer in cups and do lpr -P mycoolprintername |
| 16:35.26 | findlay | don't have to bother with ports then? |
| 16:35.36 | elg | only when you set up the printer |
| 16:36.12 | findlay | ok |
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| 16:38.43 | calvarez | graphyx, don't connect to EFnet. Freenode is better |
| 16:39.02 | calvarez | -lart ibot |
| 16:39.06 | calvarez | ~lart brac |
| 16:39.19 | calvarez | -lart ibot |
| 16:39.19 | calvarez | ~lart brac |
| 16:39.37 | calvarez | -lart ibot |
| 16:39.39 | calvarez | ~lart brac |
| 16:39.46 | calvarez | lol, brac wins |
| 16:40.06 | calvarez | better ping, that's all that matter :) |
| 16:47.37 | rsimpkins | \me: 'round ? |
| 16:53.47 | calvarez | ♫♫♫♫♫♫ |
| 16:55.47 | calvarez | calvarez® |
| 16:57.35 | findlay | ~ping \me |
| 16:57.36 | ibot | pong \me |
| 16:57.44 | findlay | ~pong \me |
| 16:57.45 | ibot | \me: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:02.54 | goozbach | o/~ thanks for the money o/~ |
| 17:03.02 | goozbach | ~\o |
| 17:08.40 | goozbach | pimp: http://pamusb.org/ |
| 17:08.50 | goozbach | usbkey based auth done via pam |
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| 17:15.20 | goozbach | redbeard1: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/12/ukraine.dress.ap/index.html |
| 17:18.45 | redbeard1 | goozbach: dude, that's awesome! |
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| 17:24.00 | dna3e8 | What are the proper permissions for /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-core.repo |
| 17:24.53 | dna3e8 | pirut wont work and I suspect it is due the the permissions of that file |
| 17:25.20 | goozbach | I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say 644 |
| 17:25.32 | goozbach | should I check, nah |
| 17:26.55 | dna3e8 | that is what they are |
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| 17:27.11 | harleypig | *snuffle* |
| 17:27.29 | levi_home | Hrm, any rails gurus around? |
| 17:27.38 | goozbach | dna3e8: why do you suspect that the permisions are the problem |
| 17:27.39 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:27.44 | levi_home | How do I add a prefix to all the urls? |
| 17:27.47 | harleypig | CAFFEINE FROSTED WHEATIES |
| 17:27.53 | goozbach | harleypig: where? |
| 17:28.02 | harleypig | http://www.comics.com/comics/committed/index.html |
| 17:28.19 | harleypig | I still like "Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs" better |
| 17:28.52 | goozbach | DANG! |
| 17:29.02 | goozbach | they don't REALLY exist :( |
| 17:29.10 | goozbach | harleypig: I HATE YOU |
| 17:29.32 | dna3e8 | pirut craches with "unable to retrieve software information" |
| 17:29.58 | dna3e8 | the last thing I did was add the repository for vlc |
| 17:36.18 | goozbach | can you access the internet at all? |
| 17:36.31 | goozbach | you connected to IRC from this same box? |
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| 17:36.43 | goozbach | and then there's jsmith... |
| 17:37.04 | harleypig | goozbach: :* |
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| 17:37.47 | levi_home | Arg. Rails is really stupid about application URL prefixes, afaict. |
| 17:37.48 | harleypig | Overheard on tv (some show my kids were watching): It's time to put the irate back in pirate! |
| 17:37.57 | harleypig | They couldn't understand why I was laughing. |
| 17:39.51 | dna3e8 | goozbach: I can get to the net |
| 17:45.27 | dna3e8 | a web form set to check the content but I got a permision denied... as root |
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| 17:52.32 | goozbach | dna3e8: I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you just said. |
| 17:52.35 | goozbach | you're running as root a web form? |
| 17:52.49 | goozbach | or you're visiting a web form as root, and it's denying you acess? |
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| 17:53.54 | graphyx | I assure you that you could visit a webform as THE PRESIDENT of the US and still get denied.. ;) |
| 17:54.18 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin emcnabb - |
| 17:54.18 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 17:54.24 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin emcnabb |
| 17:54.24 | ibot | onjoin for emcnabb set by goozbach on Fri Oct 13 11:54:18 2006: - |
| 17:54.33 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin - emcnabb |
| 17:54.33 | ibot | ok, goozbach |
| 17:54.37 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin emcnab |
| 17:54.42 | goozbach | better |
| 17:54.52 | graphyx | ibot: onjoin emcnabb |
| 17:54.52 | ibot | onjoin for emcnabb set by goozbach on Fri Oct 13 11:54:18 2006: - |
| 17:54.59 | graphyx | correctly spelled. |
| 17:55.27 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin - emcnabb |
| 17:55.27 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 17:55.33 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin emcnabb |
| 17:55.33 | ibot | onjoin for emcnabb set by goozbach on Fri Oct 13 11:54:18 2006: - |
| 17:55.44 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin -emcnabb |
| 17:55.44 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 17:55.47 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin emcnabb |
| 17:56.19 | goozbach | GAAA! |
| 17:56.29 | goozbach | my typpint skilsz are borken |
| 17:56.49 | graphyx | They are borked, eh? |
| 17:57.31 | goozbach | no puedo typiar |
| 18:12.44 | goozbach | dna3e8: try running the command: yum update |
| 18:12.53 | goozbach | see what messages you get |
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| 18:47.27 | amcnabb | I've finally got some good yogurt! |
| 18:48.47 | maquis | ~congratulate amcnabb |
| 18:48.54 | ibot | ACTION congratulates amcnabb on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 18:58.03 | amcnabb | brlcad and JeffM2501, we would like to add "hoverbot" support (for tanks only) and I was wondering if either of you had objections. |
| 18:58.12 | amcnabb | oops |
| 18:58.15 | amcnabb | wrong channel :) |
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| 18:58.58 | amcnabb | That's better now. |
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| 19:22.23 | harleypig | I've got the perfect halloween costume in mind. |
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| 19:23.25 | graphyx | harleypig: Please don't be a topless car washer... |
| 19:23.46 | harleypig | Dress up like Frankenberger but use make like Pennywise the Clown |
| 19:23.53 | harleypig | s/make/makeup/ |
| 19:24.34 | harleypig | Pennywise: http://allthingshorrorpics.tripod.com/it.jpg |
| 19:25.33 | harleypig | Frankenberger: http://emmanuel.denis.free.fr/images/rocky.jpg |
| 19:29.26 | Tene | Apparently there were repeated problems with corruption on reiserfs at a friend's workplace, causing much frustration. Upon reading about the recent events involving hans reiser, they decided to start calling it 'MurderFS'. |
| 19:30.24 | graphyx | I thought it would be humorous if they used his journal against him in court. |
| 19:30.59 | harleypig | So, did he turn out to have murdered his wife? I haven't heard anything else. |
| 19:31.00 | Tene | Heh. |
| 19:31.32 | Tene | Lots of evidence, but no actual conviction, last I heard. |
| 19:32.18 | graphyx | Mr. Reiser, it says here that you were planning on killing your wife, but it looks like you rebooted prior to completing that action, if you had rebooted would you try to kill your wife again?" Mr. Reiser, "Well that's the entire point of a journal...." |
| 19:36.00 | amcnabb | Tene, is there really "lots of evidence?" |
| 19:36.18 | amcnabb | From what I heard, they've only had circumstantial stuff. |
| 19:36.20 | Tene | According to some sources, yes. According to other sources, no. |
| 19:36.29 | amcnabb | Interesting. |
| 19:36.33 | Tene | I'm really unsure and should have made that clear. |
| 19:36.49 | amcnabb | Some day I'll watch it on Forensic Files. |
| 19:36.52 | amcnabb | Then I'll know. :) |
| 19:36.58 | Tene | :D |
| 19:37.59 | amcnabb | One of the better(?) jokes I've heard about this was: "People have been calling ReiserFS a killer filesystem for a while, but now it's really true." |
| 19:38.03 | amcnabb | or something like that. |
| 19:38.12 | amcnabb | Pretty tasteless, but you can't help but chuckle. |
| 19:38.32 | Tene | Heh. |
| 19:38.47 | Tene | I was banned from #e for mentioning that MurderFS bit. |
| 19:38.56 | amcnabb | What's #e? |
| 19:39.10 | Tene | enlightenment |
| 19:39.21 | amcnabb | ok |
| 19:39.35 | Tene | Someone was discussing a reiserfs volume mounting slowly, or something, so it seemed related. |
| 19:47.17 | Newsome | someone posted a patch to the LKML to rename reiserfs -> OJfs |
| 19:47.42 | Newsome | it was rather tasteless (and also rather funny) |
| 19:47.55 | goozbach | tgiftt |
| 19:48.05 | goozbach | the thirteenth |
| 19:48.29 | graphyx | In his defense, she was corrupted, and like all good FSes he just overwrote her. |
| 19:49.00 | maquis | *cough* |
| 19:49.43 | Newsome | "It is a necessary upgrade of the filesystem, in case the root directory goes missing and its children are orphaned and forcefully moved to lost+found." |
| 19:52.17 | goozbach | ok I think that might be enough |
| 19:52.27 | goozbach | have some class. |
| 19:52.34 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:52.59 | harleypig | Can I download that from somewhere? |
| 19:53.09 | maquis | goozbach: this is irc |
| 19:53.17 | goozbach | maquis: exactly |
| 19:53.23 | goozbach | it should be classy |
| 19:53.27 | goozbach | just look at bash.org |
| 19:53.32 | maquis | uh... |
| 19:53.39 | harleypig | Of course, there's only one letter difference between class and crass |
| 19:53.59 | goozbach | ohh so I'm soo addicted to the best of Craig's list |
| 19:53.59 | harleypig | goozbach: thanks ... I haven't looked at it since last weekend ... |
| 19:54.09 | harleypig | goozbach: where's that at? |
| 19:54.11 | maquis | and i think that most of bash.org got confused on that point |
| 19:54.32 | goozbach | harleypig: www.craigslist.com |
| 19:54.38 | goozbach | then click the best of link |
| 19:54.47 | goozbach | I'm not responible for the content |
| 19:55.04 | goozbach | most is on par with A.R.h.Tastless |
| 20:00.59 | maquis | is tastless someplace between tasteless and tactless? |
| 20:01.34 | harleypig | arhtasteless? as opposed to alt.tasteless? |
| 20:02.13 | harleypig | maquis: Isn't tastless just a plural for tastle? |
| 20:02.18 | goozbach | alt.tasteless |
| 20:02.19 | goozbach | my bad |
| 20:02.41 | goozbach | that's me trying to be funny without knowing the heriarchy of usenet groups |
| 20:02.45 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:02.48 | goozbach | alt.rec.humor.tasteless |
| 20:03.05 | maquis | and that was me trying to have some fun at goo's expense |
| 20:04.14 | harleypig | I could dress up as ouchytheclown |
| 20:05.59 | graphyx | websense blocked The best of craigslist. |
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| 20:27.07 | dna3e8 | goozbach: when running yum update I got an error about a vlc repository. so i deleted the vlc stuff I had added a bit go |
| 20:27.34 | goozbach | graphyx: and with good reason |
| 20:27.48 | goozbach | dna3e8: then it's a problem with vlc |
| 20:27.59 | goozbach | not the permissions of your config file |
| 20:28.46 | dna3e8 | have you had any luck getting vlc in fedora (the permissions ting come form a web form saying to check a config file |
| 20:29.26 | goozbach | what's VLC? |
| 20:30.38 | dna3e8 | Video Lan Client (multi media app, plays every format) |
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| 20:31.46 | goozbach | dna3e8: it appears that the vlc repo is broken |
| 20:31.51 | goozbach | take it up with them |
| 20:33.29 | goozbach | even more so it appears that they haven't released an rpm for Fedora Core 5 |
| 20:34.10 | dna3e8 | isn't FC 6 coming out on wends |
| 20:34.25 | goozbach | should be |
| 20:34.30 | goozbach | the 17th |
| 20:34.39 | goozbach | but that has NOTHING to do with VLC |
| 20:34.48 | goozbach | vlc is an entirely seperate project |
| 20:35.17 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 20:35.39 | goozbach | try this url, there's tons of documenattion. you'll probally need to install it from source. |
| 20:35.42 | goozbach | http://www.videolan.org/doc/ |
| 20:36.36 | dna3e8 | goozbach: what distro do you use as the host for xen virtualisatoin |
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| 20:39.50 | goozbach | RHEL |
| 20:39.59 | dna3e8 | ? |
| 20:40.02 | goozbach | right now I'm looking into alternatives |
| 20:40.29 | goozbach | if I can get caOS3 to run on it I'll probally be using that. |
| 20:40.31 | maquis | goozbach: which rhel? |
| 20:40.42 | goozbach | right now it's RHEL4 |
| 20:40.52 | maquis | nice |
| 20:41.08 | goozbach | with the new servers it's going to be RHEL5 or caOS3 |
| 20:41.17 | goozbach | the 64bit version of either |
| 21:00.07 | rsimpkins | time for a reboot - kernel upgrade. |
| 21:18.55 | levi | http://www.flapjax-lang.org/ |
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| 21:47.47 | mheath | excellent :) |
| 21:48.02 | mheath | One change to my FAFSA, and I'm going to get a TON more aid than it was giving me before. |
| 21:48.33 | mheath | The Estimated Family Contribution was over $70,000 before, because of my dads 'real estate investments' |
| 21:49.13 | mheath | But I changed it to Yes, I am a military veteran (I don't consider myself a veteran, but their definition was "spent any time as an active duty member of the armed forces" which I did) |
| 21:50.11 | mheath | That makes me automatically consider me an independent, which I am, and, since I made almost money last year....my Estimated Family Contribution dropped to $0. |
| 21:50.25 | Tene | That is good. |
| 21:51.35 | maquis | you almost made money? |
| 21:52.09 | mheath | maquis: I was either unemployed or working at Lagoon for the majority of the tax year they count (Lagoon gave me a total of like $200, working there for two months) |
| 21:52.18 | mheath | So I made a total of only like $2,000 that year |
| 21:58.47 | dna3e8 | will a rpm for red hat work with fedora |
| 22:02.25 | maquis | mheath: yeah... i figured you were saying something like that... but the way you said it was funny |
| 22:03.22 | goozbach | dna3e8: you'd probally be better installing from source |
| 22:05.54 | dna3e8 | yeah :( I love installing form source .... |
| 22:13.36 | goozbach | AWESOME!!! "a piece of the action" is on trek2.0 right now |
| 22:16.22 | goozbach | the show which featured fizzbin |
| 22:25.30 | Tene | dna3e8: usually, yeah. Sometimes there are dependancy issues with specific versions of packages. |
| 22:30.52 | harleypig | Anyone know of a perl module that will take the output of a cvs diff command and make it look all pretty in an html sort of way? |
| 22:34.25 | goozbach | sjansen might |
| 22:34.31 | goozbach | he did something like that for vim |
| 22:34.57 | harleypig | ibot, seen sjansen |
| 22:35.03 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@65.103.127.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7d 1h 54m 45s ago, saying: 'jsmith'. |
| 22:35.21 | harleypig | wow ... he drop out of the sky? |
| 22:36.00 | goozbach | he's not been here |
| 22:46.14 | harleypig | /who #perl |
| 22:46.19 | harleypig | /who |
| 22:46.30 | harleypig | crap ... stoopid gaim |
| 22:53.24 | macnewbold | ~owl harleypig |
| 22:53.33 | harleypig | owl? |
| 22:53.40 | macnewbold | who who |
| 22:53.45 | harleypig | heh |
| 22:53.52 | macnewbold | apparently ibot didn't get it either |
| 22:53.58 | macnewbold | must not have been funny |
| 22:54.07 | harleypig | not really :> |
| 22:54.09 | macnewbold | too late on a friday afternoon and I start to get my dad's sense of humor |
| 22:54.14 | harleypig | :> |
| 22:54.25 | harleypig | too geeky for geek |
| 22:54.36 | harleypig | Anyone not a Rob Zombie fan? |
| 22:55.10 | harleypig | I guess Robdor isn't |
| 23:03.11 | goozbach | ~convert 300K C |
| 23:07.12 | bonez39 | any of you use enscript? I had it working..and then had to rerun the lpadmin scripts to set my default printer up.... I can't seem to get enscript to print to my default printer..a networked laser jet... |
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