| 00:08.12 | emcnabb | not sure |
| 00:08.30 | Sargun | can you get on a "lspci|grep VGA" |
| 00:08.31 | emcnabb | if it's built in, 'dmidecode' may give more info |
| 00:08.36 | emcnabb | not sure |
| 00:12.25 | emcnabb | your Xorg log file may tell you |
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| 00:31.07 | bonez41 | emcnabb, did you get a peek at my lspci output in #flood? |
| 00:31.53 | graphyx | ~ftw |
| 00:31.54 | ibot | i heard ftw is wtf backwards, or for the win |
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| 00:40.17 | Jayce | welcome to NUPM online :) |
| 00:40.52 | Sargun | ok? |
| 00:41.53 | linuxalien | Nerds Under Practical Matriarchy? |
| 00:42.06 | Jayce | Sargun, those of us in utah can be at the Utah Perl Mongers |
| 00:42.19 | decriptor | NUPM online???? I didn't come to avoid it and now I can't |
| 00:42.43 | Jayce | decriptor, nobody expects the Perl inquisition.... |
| 00:42.48 | graphyx | What does the N stand for if the rest of Utah Perl Mongers? |
| 00:42.49 | decriptor | :) |
| 00:42.52 | Jayce | Northern |
| 00:43.04 | graphyx | is there a SUPM? |
| 00:43.18 | Jayce | nope |
| 00:43.22 | Jayce | not yet at least :) |
| 00:43.44 | redbeard2 | yeah, those southerners need to geton that |
| 00:44.16 | rsimpkins | @new_array = map { uc($_) } @old_array; |
| 00:44.24 | graphyx | redbeard2 is 1 for work and 2 for home? |
| 00:44.28 | redbeard2 | today's lesson: awstats takes _significantly_ longer when you enable geoip |
| 00:44.41 | Jayce | yes it does |
| 00:44.54 | redbeard2 | graphyx: actually, 2 is for my notebook, which i usually use at home... tonight i'm using it from nupm and plug |
| 00:44.59 | graphyx | ok |
| 00:46.16 | decriptor | awstats I thought this was the web thing framework on perl |
| 00:46.36 | bonez41 | what is required to ssh from one machine to another, i.e., what software is needed on each? openssh, wtih daemon running at each end? |
| 00:47.04 | graphyx | bonez41: You just need a client on the client side and a server on the server side. |
| 00:47.08 | graphyx | openssh server |
| 00:47.16 | graphyx | And openssh client or putty. |
| 00:47.23 | Jayce | decriptor, NUPM vs PLUG |
| 00:47.23 | graphyx | on client side. |
| 00:47.25 | bonez41 | ok, both are running debian 3.1 |
| 00:47.37 | graphyx | apt-get install sshd |
| 00:47.38 | decriptor | we duking it out |
| 00:47.39 | decriptor | :) |
| 00:47.44 | bonez41 | if I install openssh server on the other machine.....and have it running, then I should be ok..right? |
| 00:47.44 | decriptor | who's got the gloves |
| 00:47.48 | bonez41 | thanks |
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| 00:48.34 | redbeard2 | decriptor: nupm is catalyst, plug is awstats |
| 00:48.41 | decriptor | I kow |
| 00:48.42 | decriptor | know |
| 00:48.48 | decriptor | I just messing with Jayce |
| 00:48.58 | Jayce | you cow :) |
| 00:49.13 | decriptor | you elderberry |
| 00:49.22 | Jayce | he's at about 800 N |
| 00:49.24 | decriptor | monty python came to mind sorry |
| 00:49.26 | Jayce | which was closed for him :) |
| 00:50.20 | decriptor | I really don't have anything constructive to do right now maybe I should have come to the NUPM |
| 00:50.35 | Jayce | yes, you should have |
| 00:50.36 | redbeard2 | ~lart decriptor for not coming |
| 00:51.26 | Jayce | ah, good one, clouding his mind for not receiving the enlightenment of NUPM and PLUG |
| 00:51.53 | redbeard2 | obviously, his mind is already clouded, if he feels the need not to come |
| 00:51.55 | decriptor | I'm coming to the plug though |
| 00:52.04 | decriptor | but I can't see through this cloudy stuff |
| 00:52.16 | redbeard2 | decriptor: you'd be better off coming to nupm... i hear the plug presenter is a real hoser |
| 00:52.25 | redbeard2 | but he's got an awesome beard |
| 00:52.26 | decriptor | you would be too if you were taking two 5 credit classes |
| 00:52.51 | decriptor | was it fozz thats presenting the NUPM |
| 00:52.57 | redbeard2 | yeah |
| 00:53.01 | redbeard2 | if he ever gets here |
| 00:53.02 | decriptor | isn't he late |
| 00:53.02 | decriptor | ? |
| 00:53.09 | decriptor | so therefore I missed nothing |
| 00:53.10 | redbeard2 | more than somewhat |
| 00:53.16 | redbeard2 | i thinkhe just got here |
| 00:53.30 | Jayce | he did |
| 00:53.39 | decriptor | ah so if I left now then I would only be missing a 15 minutes worth of info |
| 00:53.44 | Jayce | yeah |
| 00:54.25 | decriptor | so technically all I'm out is not hanging out with you guys for 30 minutes :) |
| 00:55.52 | redbeard2 | we talked perl |
| 00:55.55 | redbeard2 | it was so rad |
| 00:55.59 | redbeard2 | SO rad |
| 00:56.04 | redbeard2 | radical dude |
| 00:56.13 | decriptor | man then I missed out |
| 00:56.17 | redbeard2 | totally |
| 00:56.22 | decriptor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.31 | decriptor | I just don't have the time |
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| 00:58.41 | decriptor | the meeting is in the place where jayce works right |
| 00:59.45 | rsimpkins | yes |
| 01:00.00 | rsimpkins | not in his cube - but in the same general area. |
| 01:00.01 | decriptor | sweet thanks |
| 01:00.16 | decriptor | what then I'm not comiang |
| 01:02.35 | decriptor | signing off and heading over soon |
| 01:02.39 | rsimpkins | see ya |
| 01:03.34 | graphyx | Is there a way to get the unixtime of Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:03:21 GMT |
| 01:03.34 | graphyx | ? |
| 01:03.45 | rsimpkins | man date |
| 01:05.48 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.32 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, I guess geeks might have to "man date" every once in a while if they don't get enough practice associating with the opposite sex.. |
| 01:06.59 | rsimpkins | I think you only man date if you are female or gay. |
| 01:07.02 | graphyx | rsimpkins: Sweet!! |
| 01:07.08 | graphyx | rsimpkins: LoL! |
| 01:09.05 | levi_home | Presidents issue mandates all the time. |
| 01:09.07 | macnewbold | yeah, probably true |
| 01:10.00 | macnewbold | but given the PATH I use, "man date" would explain how to date, rather than ask my computer to go out with some guy |
| 01:10.03 | graphyx | do all http servers return the time that the server is set to? |
| 01:10.13 | macnewbold | not necessarily |
| 01:10.13 | graphyx | Is that part of the standard? |
| 01:10.22 | macnewbold | no, I don't think it is required |
| 01:10.40 | macnewbold | for instance, some small embedded devices with http servers might not even have a clock that tells wall time |
| 01:10.56 | macnewbold | where are you seeing it? in the http response headers? |
| 01:11.08 | macnewbold | most real ones probably do it though |
| 01:11.15 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 01:11.17 | graphyx | livehttp headers |
| 01:11.44 | bonez41 | macnewbold, I told you I revived my machine, right? was just a matter of running gpart, and then testdisk..and fsck a few times....with fsck.ext3...... |
| 01:11.52 | macnewbold | nice! |
| 01:11.55 | macnewbold | that's great news |
| 01:12.11 | *** part/#utah linuxalien (i=linuxali@gateway/tor/x-472fb207c036c164) |
| 01:12.18 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:12.24 | bonez41 | macnewbold, thanks.....just wish I had known....2 weeks before... |
| 01:13.51 | bonez41 | if I want my office machine....to be my mail server...and I want to have my home machine.....synchronize with it...with mail.....is there a howto on setting the remote machine (here at home) up to do this? |
| 01:15.33 | rsimpkins | Use IMAP or fetchmail. |
| 01:21.48 | graphyx | macnewbold: Want to read through my advisory to point out any stupid mistakes before I publish it to the world? |
| 01:22.23 | graphyx | or anyone else I know for that matter. |
| 01:22.24 | macnewbold | hehe, sure |
| 01:23.49 | rsimpkins | an advisory for what? |
| 01:24.26 | macnewbold | nice |
| 01:24.38 | graphyx | for a flaw in an open source program that got fixed. |
| 01:24.45 | graphyx | No obvious mistakes in the write up? |
| 01:25.02 | graphyx | I am planning on writing up another for the other mistake. |
| 01:30.30 | bonez41 | rsimpkins, is exim4 similar to fetchmail? |
| 01:30.55 | bonez41 | at work my favorite email client is mutt...and I know I run exim4....and mailman for a few newslists |
| 01:31.47 | rsimpkins | bonez41: No. |
| 01:33.10 | Sargun | postfix FTW |
| 01:33.34 | *** topic/#utah by Sargun -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/ | OALUG InstallFest @ WSU-Davis, October 12th 7:00PM | I for one welcome our new sjansen overlords |
| 01:34.26 | emcnabb | Sargun: FTW? |
| 01:34.33 | Sargun | for the win |
| 01:34.46 | emcnabb | um, ok |
| 01:34.49 | rsimpkins | someone munged the URL in the topic : http://plug.org/node/ |
| 01:35.05 | Sargun | uh, oops? |
| 01:35.23 | rsimpkins | Supposed to be http://plug.org/node/28 |
| 01:35.25 | *** topic/#utah by Sargun -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | OALUG InstallFest @ WSU-Davis, October 12th 7:00PM | I for one welcome our new sjansen overlords |
| 01:35.42 | bonez41 | how would I tell which transport agent I am using? which parts of the email puzzle? |
| 01:35.58 | Sargun | nc / telnet |
| 01:36.05 | Sargun | nc $HOST 25 |
| 01:36.14 | Sargun | HELO example.com |
| 01:36.28 | Sargun | For example: |
| 01:38.52 | Sargun | Weird, doesn't work |
| 01:39.22 | Sargun | xbmodder ~ # nc tajay.com 25 |
| 01:39.23 | Sargun | 220 mail.tajay.com ESMTP Postfix |
| 01:39.29 | Sargun | ah, you gotta do it from a public host |
| 01:45.57 | graphyx | Sargun: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:46.39 | Sargun | tell what MTA i'm using |
| 01:47.53 | bonez41 | zugraum:/home/scott# telnet fyrenice.com 25 |
| 01:47.54 | bonez41 | Trying 166.70.243.110... |
| 01:47.54 | bonez41 | Connected to drjones.dsl.xmission.com. |
| 01:47.54 | bonez41 | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 01:47.54 | bonez41 | 220 fyrenice.com ESMTP Exim 4.63 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:47:33 -0600 |
| 01:47.57 | bonez41 | that's the response |
| 01:48.10 | Sargun | yeah |
| 01:48.30 | Sargun | but I forget that sonic filter SMTP on DHCP |
| 01:49.51 | bonez41 | so this is clearly telling me that exim4 is my MTA... |
| 01:51.23 | Sargun | Exim4.63 |
| 01:52.04 | graphyx | Sargun: It clearly tells you that the banner setup in the configuration file for the MTA is that. the real MTA could be anything. |
| 01:52.37 | Sargun | yeah, but its bad to set fake banners |
| 01:53.02 | graphyx | you sure about that? |
| 01:53.22 | Sargun | most admins do it anyway |
| 01:53.37 | Sargun | I have my DNS server set to bind8 |
| 01:53.40 | Sargun | that was funny |
| 01:53.55 | bonez41 | well, I haven't tweaked mine |
| 01:53.58 | Sargun | and my ssh server set to a pre-ssh2 server |
| 01:54.02 | graphyx | see you do it yourself. |
| 01:54.18 | rsimpkins | Jayce: The guy that was supposed to come is in portland. Not provo. he just went to plug.org and assumed portland. |
| 01:54.18 | Sargun | just to bother people |
| 01:54.20 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:54.28 | Sargun | hehe |
| 01:54.36 | Sargun | that sucks |
| 01:54.49 | graphyx | rsimpkins: well if he is going to make that broad of an assumption, I don't know if linux is for him... |
| 01:54.53 | graphyx | could get him in trouble. |
| 01:56.20 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 01:56.45 | graphyx | plug could be Perigue Linux Users Group. |
| 01:57.12 | rsimpkins | phoenix is a big LUG as well. Bigger than provo actually. |
| 01:57.34 | Jayce | hah |
| 01:58.17 | Newsome | usually we just get people from Pune |
| 01:59.13 | rsimpkins | I've gotten several ppl from Pune who have signed up on the web site. |
| 01:59.28 | rsimpkins | I guess I need to make it more clear on the site. |
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| 02:04.59 | Jayce | rsimpkins, doesn't matter how clear you are, they still ask.. |
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| 02:45.11 | maquis | ok... question |
| 02:45.19 | maquis | actually, nm |
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| 03:24.51 | levi_home | I will covet one when I get my handwriting to the point where I can read it. |
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| 04:15.44 | findlay | ibot: utos is also unmitigated transmission of synergy |
| 04:15.48 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 04:17.45 | findlay | ibot: utos is also unwarranted topological, orthogonal syntax |
| 04:17.48 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 04:17.52 | findlay | ~utos |
| 04:17.53 | ibot | from memory, utos is Uninterrupted Transition Ostensibly Saturnine, or unmitigated transmission of synergy, or unwarranted topological, orthogonal syntax |
| 04:25.11 | findlay | ibot: utos is also ubiquitous typos overcome senseibility |
| 04:25.13 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 04:25.33 | findlay | sensibility rather |
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| 05:13.29 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, you're a moron. |
| 05:13.42 | Sargun | eh? |
| 05:13.51 | mheath[laptop] | Did I e-stutter? |
| 05:14.06 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:14.38 | Sargun | Did you get in touch with your co-host? |
| 05:15.22 | mheath[laptop] | Why do you think that asking questions about illegal phone modding is apporpriate for a channel with almost 1,000 people in it? |
| 05:15.32 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:15.43 | Sargun | what are you doing in #gentoo |
| 05:15.56 | nick125_lappy | mheath[laptop]: unlocking phones isn't illegal |
| 05:15.59 | Sargun | Its not illegal, I bought the phone. |
| 05:16.14 | mheath[laptop] | Or phone modding, I don't really care. |
| 05:16.14 | Sargun | unlocking PPC-6700 is easy under winslows |
| 05:16.22 | Sargun | under linux -- not so easy |
| 05:16.26 | mheath[laptop] | Why the hell would you think about asking that in #gentoo? |
| 05:16.34 | mheath[laptop] | Then argue with the ops and go on and on about how much they suck |
| 05:16.39 | Sargun | they do |
| 05:16.48 | Sargun | don't you think its kind of nazi-ish |
| 05:16.52 | mheath[laptop] | No, they don't. |
| 05:16.55 | mheath[laptop] | Not at all. |
| 05:17.08 | mheath[laptop] | They do a good fair job of regulating a channel with almost 1,000 people in it. |
| 05:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder, to end the discussion... gentoo is a US based organization. If what you inquired about was illegal in the US, well, your fault. |
| 05:19.38 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:19.43 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, it isn't |
| 05:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | <blackace> Sargun: this is really the wrong channel and indeed likely the wrong network, take it elsewhere please. |
| 05:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No, that's not nazi-ish at all. |
| 05:21.31 | levi_home | If you want to see ops who don't tolerate crap, try #lisp. ;) |
| 05:23.19 | Sargun | they +q-ed me for arguing, not for asking the question |
| 05:24.12 | levi_home | Good for them. |
| 05:24.17 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:24.20 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, yes, because in a channel of almost 1,000 people they have better things to do than listen to you rant about how much they suck |
| 05:24.29 | mheath[laptop] | Besides, they gave you a channel that you could address your complaints in. |
| 05:24.32 | Sargun | not all 1,000 people suck. |
| 05:24.44 | levi_home | Sargun: But none of the 1000 want to listen to you. |
| 05:24.45 | Sargun | about 999 people |
| 05:24.56 | Sargun | Maybe 1? |
| 05:25.36 | Sargun | ok, now I am KB-ed... |
| 05:25.38 | Sargun | uhh |
| 05:25.39 | Sargun | wtf? |
| 05:25.50 | levi_home | Excluding you, that would be 0 people who want to listen to you. |
| 05:25.51 | mheath[laptop] | Cool. My brother is going to hook me up with a job at zions bank downtown when I start at the UoU :) |
| 05:26.07 | levi_home | Nice. |
| 05:26.17 | Sargun | *scratches head* |
| 05:26.22 | Sargun | I said I'd play nice |
| 05:27.05 | levi_home | Clearly, being annoying is a kickban-worthy offense there. I like channels like that. |
| 05:27.10 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:27.14 | Sargun | I said I'd shutup |
| 05:27.17 | Sargun | and I did shutup |
| 05:27.39 | levi_home | You could shutup about it here, too. |
| 05:27.58 | levi_home | But if you don't, it's not my problem, because I'm going to bed. |
| 05:28.04 | Sargun | night |
| 05:28.06 | Sargun | sleep tight |
| 05:28.10 | mheath[laptop] | No you didn't, Sargun |
| 05:28.15 | Sargun | wha? |
| 05:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That was a pretty good ban, too |
| 05:28.23 | Sargun | I said "teslamike, to support add GTK support to GCJ or not" |
| 05:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | --- blackace sets ban on *!*@atarack/staff/xbmodder |
| 05:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- blackace has kicked perry753 from #gentoo (Chuck Norris has never been accused of murder for the simple fact that his roundhouse kicks are recognized world-wide as "acts of God.") |
| 05:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | --- blackace sets ban on *!*@*xbmodder* |
| 05:29.10 | Sargun | Did perry set his hostmask to xbmodder |
| 05:29.13 | Sargun | that idiot |
| 05:29.18 | Sargun | ~lart perry753 |
| 05:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh yeah, he banned him also |
| 05:30.09 | Sargun | sargun != perry753 |
| 05:30.22 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: how about you clarify the ban with an op? |
| 05:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Similar hostmask. All that matters. |
| 05:30.53 | mheath[laptop] | No |
| 05:30.55 | mheath[laptop] | Seperate ban |
| 05:30.58 | mheath[laptop] | At least in my client |
| 05:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | --- blackace sets ban on *!*@unaffiliated/perry753 |
| 05:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | --- blackace sets ban on *!*@*xbmodder* |
| 05:31.43 | mheath[laptop] | Yes. He made a ban specifically for perry753 |
| 05:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like the op did their research then |
| 05:32.03 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, they are ignoring me |
| 05:32.07 | Sargun | they think I'm perry |
| 05:32.08 | mheath[laptop] | because perry753 was doing nothing but saying stupid things occasionally, in good old fashioned perry753 way. |
| 05:32.17 | Sargun | but perry753 pretended to be me |
| 05:32.27 | Sargun | and I used perry's connection a couple weeks ago |
| 05:32.30 | mheath[laptop] | Why would anyone want to pretend to be you? |
| 05:32.53 | Sargun | because |
| 05:32.54 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, I have a great idea! Why don't you go into ##windows next and ask how to unlock your cellphone? |
| 05:32.59 | mheath[laptop] | Or maybe #gnome |
| 05:33.03 | mheath[laptop] | Or maybe #vim! |
| 05:33.03 | Sargun | oh, shutup |
| 05:33.13 | Sargun | just when you started to be cool :-P |
| 05:33.17 | Sargun | they got me kick banned from #gentoo earlier |
| 05:33.19 | Sargun | and #freenode-social |
| 05:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:33.25 | Sargun | Damn you perry! |
| 05:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | banned from #freenode-social |
| 05:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome |
| 05:33.41 | Sargun | well auto-devoice |
| 05:34.14 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, how are you blaming this on anyone else? |
| 05:34.21 | mheath[laptop] | Your the one asking inappropriate, off topic questions |
| 05:34.36 | mheath[laptop] | then going on and on about how much the ops suck after they politely ask you to change subject. |
| 05:34.44 | Sargun | no, I said I'd shutup |
| 05:34.52 | Sargun | and then they accuse me of ban evasion |
| 05:34.55 | Sargun | trolling after -q |
| 05:34.59 | Sargun | and something else |
| 05:35.06 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, you never said you'd shutup |
| 05:35.17 | mheath[laptop] | unless you did it in privmsg |
| 05:35.23 | mheath[laptop] | They banned you (but never kicked you) early on |
| 05:35.30 | mheath[laptop] | Sure you weren't talking to yourself? |
| 05:36.15 | mheath[laptop] | And its not like that makes up for anything anyway |
| 05:36.32 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, you suck |
| 05:36.32 | Sargun | blackace Sargun: going to play nice? |
| 05:36.32 | Sargun | Sargun yes |
| 05:36.32 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, you suck |
| 05:36.32 | Sargun | in #gentoo-ops |
| 05:36.32 | Sargun | hehe |
| 05:36.33 | Sargun | I agree |
| 05:36.35 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, You make things go down hill |
| 05:36.39 | mheath[laptop] | Oh, I'll shutup now |
| 05:36.41 | Sargun | Yup |
| 05:36.45 | mheath[laptop] | Doesn't make things go away. |
| 05:36.49 | Sargun | I do, I agree with you 100% |
| 05:43.08 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, why are you in the spanish speaking gentoo channel? |
| 05:43.33 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:43.38 | Sargun | Asked for spanish help |
| 05:43.43 | Sargun | learning spanish |
| 05:43.47 | Sargun | in #gentoo-es |
| 05:47.45 | mheath[laptop] | ..... |
| 05:48.06 | Sargun | ? |
| 05:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | #gentoo-es is for spanish gentoo users. |
| 05:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Not for you to learn spanish. |
| 05:52.33 | Sargun | I try to answer questions in spanish |
| 05:53.35 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, I have no clue how is brain works. Why he thinkgs #gentoo-es is the proper place for him to learn spanish, or why he thinks #gentoo is the best place to ask questions about unlocking his cellphone. |
| 05:53.57 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | If I click on my spam folder |
| 05:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Total: 8902 |
| 05:59.01 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+a, forward |
| 05:59.20 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], You don't think speaking in japanese helps you learn it? |
| 06:02.24 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, you don't think speaking in a language, will help you learn it? |
| 06:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I think there are better ways to learn it. |
| 06:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That involve less people at that. |
| 06:03.36 | Sargun | lol |
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| 06:06.15 | maquis-fiance | ~lart ibot |
| 06:06.41 | maquis-fiance | ouch |
| 06:06.59 | Sargun | hey! |
| 06:07.22 | maquis-fiance | howdy |
| 06:14.46 | tensai | my mail server can only deliver 3 messages per second? get a move on! h'ya! |
| 06:15.27 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:17.53 | tensai | up to about 5 per second now. getting better I suppose. |
| 06:18.18 | Sargun | what are you using to test it? |
| 06:18.31 | Sargun | maquis-fiance, what be up? |
| 06:19.02 | maquis-fiance | I'm just trying to finish up some work for a class |
| 06:19.28 | tensai | Sargun: this ain't no test. this is real mail. |
| 06:19.47 | Sargun | how are to telling how much per second though? |
| 06:19.50 | Sargun | just looking at logs? |
| 06:20.21 | tensai | one of my servers queued up a ton of mail today. I'm just now releasing it and watching the queue shrink. |
| 06:20.31 | Sargun | cool |
| 06:20.44 | tensai | actually two servers did. I'm unloading them one at a time to keep my other servers from croaking. |
| 06:21.29 | Sargun | ah |
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| 13:09.10 | goozbach | morning |
| 13:25.14 | emcnabb | goozbach: morning |
| 13:39.09 | graphyx | mORNING> |
| 13:40.16 | redbeard1 | mornin |
| 13:41.10 | goozbach | morninh |
| 13:42.01 | redbeard1 | i'm glad that we've established that it is, in fact, morning. but at the same time i'm sad that it is, in fact, morning. |
| 13:42.13 | graphyx | </morning> |
| 13:42.15 | graphyx | That help? |
| 13:42.24 | redbeard1 | if only it were true |
| 13:42.32 | graphyx | hehh.. |
| 13:43.12 | goozbach | moringin |
| 13:43.17 | redbeard1 | my brother just asked me what i would recommend to him so that he could play around with linux |
| 13:43.19 | goozbach | morging |
| 13:43.28 | redbeard1 | i told him to download an ubuntu live cd |
| 13:43.33 | goozbach | give him a ubuntu disk |
| 13:43.40 | redbeard1 | just doing my part to make the world a better place |
| 13:50.54 | emcnabb | I would take him through a week-long Linux From Scratch install. That will break him in |
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| 13:53.52 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: that would likely break him too, as well as me |
| 13:53.58 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 13:54.07 | graphyx | That is what I was thinking. |
| 13:54.14 | graphyx | I don't know if I could handle that one myself. |
| 13:54.25 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: dude, i thought we were friends. |
| 13:54.31 | emcnabb | haha |
| 13:54.58 | redbeard1 | ~brulee emcnabb |
| 13:55.00 | ibot | ACTION whisks emcnabb with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 13:55.17 | emcnabb | I installed it long ago, and once I was done, I reinstalled Debian |
| 13:55.39 | redbeard1 | you know, i have a funny story about debian |
| 13:55.47 | redbeard1 | actually, it's more about firefox |
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| 13:56.36 | redbeard1 | shortly after the tux cake, i got the idea to do a 3d firefox logo out of melted sugar |
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| 13:56.50 | redbeard1 | this time i emailed the guy that designed the logo and asked for permission |
| 13:57.00 | redbeard1 | calvarez: gatech? |
| 13:58.51 | graphyx | Georgia tech uni, right? |
| 13:58.55 | calvarez | yup :) |
| 13:59.08 | calvarez | I just started here |
| 13:59.09 | redbeard1 | my sister used to live in georgia |
| 13:59.10 | graphyx | That's not in utah!! |
| 13:59.17 | calvarez | graphyx, :p |
| 13:59.26 | calvarez | I just graduated from the Y |
| 13:59.45 | jsmith | graphyx: You're one to be talking (but then again, so am I) |
| 13:59.46 | calvarez | it's Georgia Institute of Technology |
| 13:59.54 | graphyx | calvarez: I kid.. I kid.. |
| 14:00.06 | calvarez | haha ok |
| 14:00.12 | graphyx | redbeard1: What happened with the cake thingy? |
| 14:00.37 | redbeard1 | so, i asked the guy for permission to post a tutorial, and he seemed thrilled by the whole idea |
| 14:00.57 | redbeard1 | mind you, this was just a week or two before the whole debian/firefox thing went down |
| 14:01.31 | redbeard1 | so i thought i might attempt it this weekend, but with all the buzz about the logo being trademarked, i emailed him again to make sure it was still okay |
| 14:01.42 | graphyx | heh... |
| 14:01.49 | graphyx | Just post the email of permission. |
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| 14:02.07 | redbeard1 | his response was, and i quote, "Sorry for being dim, but whats the problem with 'debian'?" |
| 14:02.33 | calvarez | meh, a trademarked logo does not break a distribution :p |
| 14:02.35 | graphyx | Wow... |
| 14:02.41 | calvarez | too much ado about nothing |
| 14:02.57 | graphyx | redbeard1 Just get him to relicense the logo so debian can use it. |
| 14:03.01 | graphyx | And put the iceweasel thing to bed. |
| 14:03.05 | graphyx | er.. rest. |
| 14:03.15 | calvarez | graphyx, debian *can* use a trademarked logo |
| 14:03.17 | redbeard1 | i told him, "In a nutshell, Debian is a Linux distribution that has been refusing to ship Firefox with the logo because the logo is trademarked." |
| 14:03.23 | calvarez | they don't *want* to, which is different |
| 14:03.46 | redbeard1 | he responded with, "You know I'd never understood the situation until now, thanks for that! I still say go ahead. If they have any problems, eat the evidence!!!" |
| 14:04.05 | graphyx | lol... |
| 14:04.24 | graphyx | The police show up at redbeard's house. Quick everyone eat it.. |
| 14:04.47 | graphyx | while his kids bounce off of the walls, do you or do you not have replicas of the firefox logo on the premiss..? |
| 14:05.22 | redbeard1 | if i manage to pull it together, i'm going to post something about how i'm shipping my tutorial distribution _with_ the firefox logo. |
| 14:05.53 | graphyx | heh... |
| 14:06.02 | graphyx | You could do a forked tutorial. |
| 14:06.09 | graphyx | One for the firefox logo and one for iceweasel. |
| 14:06.22 | redbeard1 | graphyx: why does everybody tell me that? |
| 14:06.32 | graphyx | Just to have art imitate life. |
| 14:06.48 | redbeard1 | you're at least the fourth person who's suggested doing an iceweasel one too. cracks me up. |
| 14:07.04 | graphyx | It's cruel irony.. |
| 14:07.05 | jsmith | What about an ice-weasel ice sculpture? |
| 14:07.13 | emcnabb | haha |
| 14:07.13 | graphyx | Chainsaws!!! |
| 14:07.18 | redbeard1 | ooh... i didn't think about that... |
| 14:07.35 | redbeard1 | i wonder where around here i can buy a 300lb block of ice to do that |
| 14:07.40 | graphyx | Got a commercial grade walk in freezer? |
| 14:07.53 | redbeard1 | oh yeah. there's the whole freezer thing too. |
| 14:07.56 | jsmith | Call the restaurant supply houses -- they'll know I'll bet |
| 14:07.56 | graphyx | redbeard Just wait till the middle of winter and cut it out of a lake in the mountains. |
| 14:07.59 | redbeard1 | and i'd need to borrow a chainsaw. |
| 14:08.13 | redbeard1 | oooh! iceweasel snow sculpture! |
| 14:08.27 | graphyx | ARe you an artist of a cook!! |
| 14:08.33 | graphyx | What is this talk of snow and ice? |
| 14:08.40 | jsmith | Or, just make an iceweasel mold and make iceweasel ice cubes |
| 14:08.56 | graphyx | unless.. it was a snow cone ice sculpture. |
| 14:09.01 | graphyx | that's edible. |
| 14:09.13 | graphyx | ~eatable |
| 14:09.15 | jsmith | graphyx: Some parts of the world turn cold this time of year ;-) |
| 14:09.23 | redbeard1 | i'm just glad there's no yellow in the iceweasel logo |
| 14:09.30 | graphyx | hahaha... |
| 14:09.38 | calvarez | ~kill iceweasel |
| 14:09.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots a proton gun at iceweasel |
| 14:09.43 | redbeard1 | "don't worry! it's lemon!" |
| 14:09.51 | calvarez | haaaha |
| 14:10.06 | calvarez | lemon :) |
| 14:10.19 | calvarez | a lemon with a urinary track infection |
| 14:10.21 | calvarez | ewwwww |
| 14:10.23 | graphyx | ibot, eatable is <reply> "Everything in this room is eatable. Including me, but that is called cannibalism, and is frown upon in modem societies." |
| 14:10.25 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 14:10.30 | graphyx | ~eatable |
| 14:10.32 | ibot | "Everything in this room is eatable. Including me, but that is called cannibalism, and is frown upon in modem societies." |
| 14:10.41 | calvarez | modem societies? |
| 14:10.49 | redbeard1 | d'oh! |
| 14:10.51 | calvarez | like, societies that can't afford broadband? |
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| 14:11.13 | redbeard1 | wait, does that mean cannibalism is acceptable if you have broadband? |
| 14:11.22 | redbeard1 | er. hi phinux. don't mind us. |
| 14:11.23 | calvarez | yipee! |
| 14:11.48 | calvarez | ah, a BYU CS fellow |
| 14:11.56 | graphyx | who isn't? |
| 14:12.03 | calvarez | haahaha |
| 14:12.18 | graphyx | I did byu cs |
| 14:12.23 | jsmith | graphyx: I'm not! |
| 14:12.24 | calvarez | so did I |
| 14:12.26 | redbeard1 | i didnt |
| 14:12.27 | jsmith | ~lart graphyx |
| 14:12.27 | graphyx | oh... |
| 14:12.36 | calvarez | ~byu'd jsmith |
| 14:12.38 | graphyx | jsmith: That's your own fault! |
| 14:12.50 | graphyx | You no good former salt lake city dweller... |
| 14:12.54 | calvarez | ack, sorry jsmith, I tried to fix you but you're still broken |
| 14:12.58 | calvarez | ~byu'd jsmith |
| 14:13.00 | graphyx | who didn't go to BYU! |
| 14:13.01 | jsmith | graphyx: And proud of not going to the Y! |
| 14:13.06 | redbeard1 | what's wrong with dwelling in salt lake? |
| 14:13.12 | graphyx | nothing. |
| 14:13.13 | jsmith | redbeard1: Nothing! |
| 14:13.14 | goozbach | ~gatech |
| 14:13.17 | redbeard1 | well, then. |
| 14:13.21 | graphyx | He's a former salt lake dweller.. |
| 14:13.28 | graphyx | That's the problem.. |
| 14:13.33 | calvarez | lol TAB |
| 14:13.35 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 14:13.36 | goozbach | ~gatech is where calvarez is? |
| 14:13.39 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 14:13.39 | redbeard1 | i'm a former salt lake dweller too |
| 14:13.39 | calvarez | yes |
| 14:13.44 | redbeard1 | ~gatech |
| 14:13.45 | ibot | hmm... gatech is where calvarez is? |
| 14:13.47 | jsmith | graphyx: I'm also a former fan of Microsoft -- does that make you feel better? |
| 14:13.56 | calvarez | I traded SLC for Provo, and now I traded Provo for Hotlanta |
| 14:14.01 | graphyx | Ok, you are pardoned. |
| 14:14.01 | jsmith | graphyx: Things change, people change, people move... |
| 14:14.02 | goozbach | you're probally tired of always getting asked abt gatech. |
| 14:14.11 | graphyx | The repentence process is complete. |
| 14:14.11 | calvarez | nah |
| 14:14.15 | redbeard1 | hey calvarez, how about gatech? |
| 14:14.21 | goozbach | gatech? |
| 14:14.23 | goozbach | what? |
| 14:14.25 | goozbach | who? |
| 14:14.48 | calvarez | man I slept 2 hours last night |
| 14:14.48 | redbeard1 | hey goozbach, you're a southern boy too now, aren't you? |
| 14:14.54 | goozbach | ok so I think the phrase "Who knew what, when?" should be banned |
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| 14:15.03 | goozbach | redbeard1: yessir |
| 14:15.08 | graphyx | jsmith: It could just be I am still in denial about how much I hurt inside from leaving all my friends in Utah behind when we moved out here. |
| 14:15.11 | calvarez | The South will rise again!!! |
| 14:15.31 | calvarez | graphyx, lol, do I detect sarcasm? |
| 14:15.40 | calvarez | :) |
| 14:15.44 | redbeard1 | dude, if you guys start talking about how cartman really makes sense sometimes, i'm outta here |
| 14:15.44 | graphyx | calvarez: I don't know really. |
| 14:15.51 | graphyx | There is a lot of truth in that statement. |
| 14:15.56 | calvarez | cartman makes sense somtimes |
| 14:16.01 | redbeard1 | gah! |
| 14:16.09 | calvarez | sorry, cartman really makes sense sometimes |
| 14:16.20 | calvarez | that ain't you |
| 14:16.26 | calvarez | you're redbeard1 |
| 14:16.32 | graphyx | redbeard1: Was that your evil twin. |
| 14:16.35 | redbeard1 | it was worth a shot. |
| 14:16.36 | graphyx | ? |
| 14:16.45 | calvarez | if you're going to have ghosts, at least stay in character :p :) |
| 14:16.50 | redbeard1 | that was my evil twin that goes to plug. |
| 14:17.09 | calvarez | and where does the good twin go, UUG? |
| 14:17.20 | calvarez | BYU-UUG? |
| 14:17.42 | calvarez | UVLUG? |
| 14:17.49 | redbeard1 | he went to uug once. and got a parking ticket. and blamed spr. |
| 14:17.56 | calvarez | k, I'm outta here, I need to get stuff done today |
| 14:18.10 | calvarez | ta-ta! |
| 14:18.16 | redbeard1 | ciao duder |
| 14:18.23 | emcnabb | calvarez ran away |
| 14:18.32 | graphyx | ~brave |
| 14:18.47 | graphyx | he bravely turned his tail and ran. |
| 14:19.17 | goozbach | redbeard1: you think that's bad, my car can't even go onto BYU's campus without fear of being towed |
| 14:19.19 | redbeard1 | brave, brave sir robin? |
| 14:19.36 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i have a strategy. |
| 14:19.45 | goozbach | I recieved 14 parking tickets in just under three weeks |
| 14:20.04 | goozbach | didn't pay a one of them |
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| 14:20.19 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you are the wind beneath my wings. |
| 14:20.25 | goozbach | the powers that be gave me the wrong tag |
| 14:20.39 | redbeard1 | why is it i always say things like that right when somebody walks in the room? |
| 14:20.40 | goozbach | I was supposed to have a unlimited faculity pass |
| 14:20.51 | goozbach | redbeard1: cause you know it's true |
| 14:23.21 | redbeard1 | are you ever tempted to write something just a little less professional in a bug report? |
| 14:24.12 | redbeard1 | "Trying to load xxxx.pl gives a server error. This may be a non-issue, since yyyy handles all that now. So you've gotta let me know: show it stay or should it go? If it goes, will there be trouble? If it stays, will it be double?" |
| 14:24.37 | redbeard1 | s/show/should/ |
| 14:28.35 | goozbach | I write things such as "this stupid bug keeps me from my bittorent downloads of illegal bootleg copies of hanson's cds. pleased to be fixiing it soon!" |
| 14:30.22 | redbeard1 | i like that one |
| 14:30.39 | graphyx | "The firefox plugin completely failes when trying to browse the website (insert xxx pr0n hardcore url here)..." |
| 14:34.22 | goozbach | speaking of pornagraphy, I made an awesome milkshake last night |
| 14:34.40 | goozbach | I named it "Chocoholics's pornagraphy" |
| 14:34.47 | graphyx | heh... |
| 14:34.48 | goozbach | vanilla ice cream |
| 14:35.05 | goozbach | 4 butterfinger fun size |
| 14:35.12 | goozbach | 4 snickers fun size |
| 14:35.17 | goozbach | chocolate milk |
| 14:35.22 | graphyx | sounds like you had a lot of fun with it. |
| 14:35.27 | goozbach | blend till creamy |
| 14:35.32 | goozbach | pour into a cup |
| 14:35.42 | goozbach | top with hershey's syrup |
| 14:35.48 | goozbach | ??? |
| 14:35.52 | goozbach | diabeties |
| 14:36.01 | goozbach | profit |
| 14:36.14 | graphyx | you forgot to put that in anumbered list. |
| 14:36.57 | goozbach | whatever |
| 14:37.10 | goozbach | I decided half way throught to use that joke |
| 14:41.30 | redbeard1 | that reminds me of the commercials for the m&m shake at carls jr |
| 14:41.47 | redbeard1 | "Does Carl's Jr think we're idiots?" "Yes." |
| 14:42.12 | graphyx | I haven't seen it |
| 14:42.44 | goozbach | woot! built a working rpm package for asterisk! |
| 14:42.52 | redbeard1 | graphyx: it's a radio commercial. |
| 14:42.57 | goozbach | should I post it to mirrors.neverblock.com? |
| 14:43.00 | goozbach | I think I will |
| 14:43.45 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:44.10 | redbeard1 | levi: sorry, you missed the morning conversation already. |
| 14:44.25 | jsmith | goozbach: Woot! If I had known, I would have pointed you at a good .spec file |
| 14:44.49 | levi | I saw it in scrollback, so I feel like I was here for the whole thing! |
| 14:45.06 | redbeard1 | oh good |
| 14:45.28 | levi | (There is usually very little difference in the conversations I am here for and the ones I am not, considering my participation level) |
| 14:45.59 | redbeard1 | i don't usually talk a whole lot either. |
| 14:46.07 | jsmith | goozbach: If you post it, let me know where it is... I wouldn't mind looking it over. |
| 14:46.17 | redbeard1 | it's like there's something here sometimes that keeps me from wanting to join in |
| 14:46.43 | redbeard1 | something... with a bad knee. |
| 14:46.45 | graphyx | well about those shakes: The nutritional info for Carl's M&M Shake/Malt is as follows (the first number is for the Shake, the second for the Malt): 850/920 calories, 351/369 calories from fat, 39/41 g fat, 27/28 g saturated fat, 105/110 mg cholesterol, 250/320 mg sodium, 107/119 g carbs, 15/18 g protein. |
| 14:46.51 | goozbach | jsmith: I started with the one in the 1.4 sourcecode |
| 14:47.00 | goozbach | little modification and WHAMMO |
| 14:47.06 | jsmith | goozbach: That one is awful! |
| 14:47.33 | levi | redbeard1: Heh. |
| 14:47.38 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i had one last night. it was worth it. |
| 14:47.43 | goozbach | ok lets, see the one you're talking about. |
| 14:48.11 | jsmith | Looking for it now... |
| 14:48.14 | goozbach | maybe I'll submit it as a patch |
| 14:48.21 | levi | graphyx: I wonder how much of that fat is trans-fat? :) |
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| 14:49.44 | graphyx | Well it doesn't matter much cause the closest carl's jr. here is in Oklahoma. |
| 14:49.48 | graphyx | And it isn't that appealing. |
| 14:50.01 | graphyx | 183 Miles away. |
| 14:50.17 | levi | That's just a wee road trip. |
| 14:52.01 | goozbach | graphyx: hardees? |
| 14:52.17 | goozbach | there's got to be a hardees closer than that |
| 14:52.25 | redbeard1 | yeah, hardees and carls are the same now. |
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| 14:53.13 | redbeard1 | hey fozz |
| 14:54.03 | levi | http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/not-just-rich-people-buy-playstations-and-xboxs/ |
| 14:54.16 | levi | Scoble is clearly advocating fiscal irresponsibility! |
| 14:54.49 | redbeard1 | you mean i can be fiscally irresponsible too? bonus! |
| 14:55.38 | elg | levi: insane |
| 14:56.47 | graphyx | yeah, there is one of those in town. |
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| 15:05.59 | elg | ~credit redbeard1 |
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| 15:15.15 | tensai | elg: what was it you were asking me about yesterday? something that had a free trial? |
| 15:15.34 | elg | x-plane |
| 15:17.23 | tensai | ah. not sure that I've ever actually used x-plane. |
| 15:18.32 | elg | it wasn't you who recommended it to me? |
| 15:22.06 | graphyx | I said it. |
| 15:22.23 | redbeard1 | i don't normally post to things like that, but i just had to say something |
| 15:22.43 | graphyx | I don't know much about it other than the person who produces it is a real fanatic. And has gone really far to get the real specs of a ton of real planes. |
| 15:22.57 | graphyx | Several articles have been written up about him/it/the planes.. |
| 15:23.02 | graphyx | including I beleive wired. |
| 15:23.53 | elg | the screenshots look awesome |
| 15:24.13 | elg | the specs are a bit of a stretch, at least until the new macbook arrives |
| 15:25.41 | elg | seems fairly affordable, but not for me |
| 15:28.13 | findlay | is today a holiday of some kind? I went to school this morning like normal and there was nobody there |
| 15:28.31 | graphyx | findlay: They heard you were coming. |
| 15:28.34 | redbeard1 | findlay: uea weekend |
| 15:28.40 | findlay | oh |
| 15:29.02 | redbeard1 | dang kids |
| 15:29.14 | redbeard1 | ah, but no school zones on the drive home |
| 15:29.21 | redbeard1 | the pros and cons of uea weekend |
| 15:29.27 | findlay | stupid UEA |
| 15:29.31 | findlay | ~lart UEA |
| 15:34.22 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 15:36.46 | findlay | ~UEA elg |
| 15:38.22 | bonez41 | why is education a MONOPOLY..while everything else is based on competition in the marketplace? |
| 15:38.32 | neybar | UEA is only aweful if you actually go. My mother inlaw has never actually attended UEA in the 6 years that I've known her. As a matter of fact they are in Disneyland... I wish I was there rather than working. :) |
| 15:39.15 | bonez41 | neybar, do you teach? |
| 15:39.22 | neybar | not me |
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| 15:43.25 | findlay | it's nefarious because the UEA has control of education in this state. I guess because teachers don't think they have a voice |
| 15:43.59 | findlay | so they all join the UEA to have at least some influence |
| 15:44.18 | levi | Well, are they right? |
| 15:44.23 | neybar | then UEA proceeds to bungle everything, so the net gain is nil. |
| 15:46.30 | scothoser | Isn't there another, more Legislature friendly organization out there? I heard that it was part of a national education committee, and because it has anit-labor union ties it scares the UEA. |
| 15:46.34 | Jayce^ | large union interacting with state and federal government.. it's just bad all around |
| 15:51.07 | fozzmoo | You know... teachers aren't obligated to join the UEA. |
| 15:51.16 | fozzmoo | I know some teachers that are not members. |
| 15:51.46 | fozzmoo | They just want to teach. :) |
| 15:52.26 | emcnabb | I get to hear Thomas Friedman (author of The World Is Flat) speak today |
| 15:52.34 | fozzmoo | Oh fun. |
| 15:52.52 | emcnabb | it should be interesting, considering one of his main points was how OSS plays a part in this |
| 15:53.04 | findlay | doesn't he believe the world is shaped like a quarter? |
| 15:53.42 | emcnabb | findlay: he compares it to your biceps |
| 15:53.55 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:54.16 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, teachers at normal schools are... |
| 15:54.25 | Jayce^ | charters/etc don't require it |
| 15:54.32 | findlay | my dad read that book because there were teachers in the Jordan school district who convinced the bureaucracy (and it is huge) that they needed to spend more money on technology at the expense of the arts |
| 15:55.00 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: No. |
| 15:55.01 | findlay | he wasn't convinced, obviously |
| 15:55.14 | findlay | I don't think teachers are forced to join UEA |
| 15:55.14 | fozzmoo | any teacher can say, no thanks. |
| 15:55.27 | fozzmoo | There's a lot of pressure put on them, of course. |
| 15:55.38 | rsimpkins | The UEA is a union, and it comes with all the baggage of unions. |
| 15:55.39 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, dunno, my mom worked for a school district for years, wasn't allowed to *not* be in the union.. |
| 15:55.41 | fozzmoo | Principals want as many people in the union as possible. |
| 15:55.55 | findlay | the scandal a couple of years ago was about UEA automatically extracting dues from teachers' incomes who weren't members or something |
| 15:56.31 | rsimpkins | Teachers are generally considered default members of the union - typical union tactics really. |
| 15:56.43 | fozzmoo | For example, I talked to a Calculus teacher up in Davis County a couple years ago who was a strong supporter in the Nolan Karas campaign... |
| 15:56.52 | rsimpkins | I'm sure you can be a teacher without belonging to UEA> |
| 15:57.02 | rsimpkins | It just might be hard for a while as you take a stand. |
| 15:57.05 | findlay | yes, the UEA gets a lot of money out of teachers' already smallified incomes |
| 15:57.05 | fozzmoo | He did 25 years in one district, retired, and now he's teaching at Bonneville (I think). |
| 15:57.12 | fozzmoo | Has declined membership the entire time. |
| 15:57.26 | findlay | fozzmoo: cool |
| 15:57.41 | rsimpkins | I am not a big fan of public education. |
| 15:57.46 | scothoser | Technically, it's legal for a teacher not to be in the union. Utah is a "right to Work" state, not a Union state. So they can't force someone to be part of a union... But they sure can put a lot of pressure on them. |
| 15:57.59 | fozzmoo | Oh, no, he's teaching at Northridge. |
| 15:58.05 | Jayce^ | might be part of the issue, my mom was in WA at the time |
| 15:59.04 | fozzmoo | makes sense. |
| 16:00.00 | goozbach | blargoffpoppin |
| 16:01.28 | fozzmoo | TMI! |
| 16:03.30 | goozbach | fozzmoo: so as of right now I'm making two trips to utah in NOV |
| 16:03.38 | goozbach | week long both of them |
| 16:03.46 | goozbach | the funny thing, they straddle the SON tour |
| 16:03.48 | goozbach | :( |
| 16:18.11 | fozzmoo | Ugh. |
| 16:18.14 | fozzmoo | Why two? |
| 16:18.52 | fozzmoo | Maybe you should just take 3 weeks off work. :) |
| 16:19.09 | mheath_ | stupid question, but I've never had to deal with laptops much.... |
| 16:19.20 | fozzmoo | that's not a question. |
| 16:19.23 | mheath_ | Do they still make laptops with DDR1 memory, or is DDR2 the 'standard' now, pretty much? |
| 16:19.33 | fozzmoo | DDR1? SDRAM? |
| 16:19.41 | fozzmoo | Probably not. |
| 16:20.07 | fozzmoo | It really depends on the chipsets, mheath_ |
| 16:20.33 | fozzmoo | You'll probably find Athlon64/Turion laptops that use DDR SODIMMs... |
| 16:20.36 | mheath_ | The reason I ask....DDR2 is cheaper than DDR1 RAM, usually... |
| 16:20.51 | fozzmoo | but the newer platforms all seem to use DDR2 |
| 16:21.09 | mheath_ | And when I bought my laptop, a few months ago, the guy quoted me a price for a RAM upgrade that seems unrealistic for DDR1 |
| 16:21.24 | mheath_ | But I think my laptop has DDR1 |
| 16:21.36 | fozzmoo | Stop saying DDR1! :) |
| 16:21.39 | mheath_ | fozzmoo: It's a very recent K6 32bit AMD Mobile Semrpon |
| 16:21.46 | fozzmoo | It's just DDR! |
| 16:21.53 | mheath_ | erm |
| 16:21.54 | fozzmoo | Okay. yeah. |
| 16:21.58 | mheath_ | not k6... |
| 16:22.00 | fozzmoo | K7, you mean. |
| 16:22.09 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 16:22.14 | mheath_ | K8 I mean, I think? bah |
| 16:22.29 | fozzmoo | It's probably a socket-a board. |
| 16:22.35 | fozzmoo | So, yeah, DDR333 or DDR400 |
| 16:22.47 | fozzmoo | we're not talking about skis here, findlay. |
| 16:22.57 | findlay | or mountains? |
| 16:22.58 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:23.14 | fozzmoo | Incidentally, I just got a k9. heh. |
| 16:23.29 | mheath_ | I'm trying to talk myself out of a RAM upgrade |
| 16:23.38 | fozzmoo | mheath_: How much do you have? |
| 16:23.40 | mheath_ | I've been running Windows Vista on this laptop lately, and it REALLY needs more RAM |
| 16:23.44 | mheath_ | But Linux is just fine with the current RAM |
| 16:23.58 | mheath_ | fozzmoo: 512, but 128 is dedicate to the video |
| 16:24.21 | fozzmoo | Yeah. (1) Don't use Vista (2) Vista will probably get better when it's released. |
| 16:24.41 | fozzmoo | Your specs seem a bit low for Vista, IMO. |
| 16:24.53 | fozzmoo | i thought 256MB video memory was mandatory w/ Vista. |
| 16:25.05 | mheath_ | Nope, 128. |
| 16:25.19 | mheath_ | But you're supposed to have 1GB of RAM, minimum :P |
| 16:25.20 | fozzmoo | You're just squeaking by. |
| 16:26.30 | mheath_ | hmmm, weber state sent me a course catalog |
| 16:27.08 | mheath_ | the more I look at their CS curriculum, the happier I am that I decided to go to UoU |
| 16:27.37 | levi | Why's that? |
| 16:27.58 | mheath_ | levi: because WSU |
| 16:27.59 | mheath_ | erm |
| 16:28.10 | mheath_ | because WSU's CS curriculum really isn't very good |
| 16:28.17 | mheath_ | and it's very Microsoft-ish |
| 16:28.48 | mheath_ | ALl Microsoft programming, Microsoft products, Microsoft administration. There's one UNIX-based class. |
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| 16:29.19 | mheath_ | (And I've met the guy who I believe teaches the UNIX class....really nice guy, but I don't think he'd be that impressive from a teaching point of view) |
| 16:29.58 | findlay | ugh |
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| 16:30.06 | mheath_ | levi: I really want to get out on my own again, anyway, and be somewhat independent...going to UoU gives me a good excuse to move into a dorm :) |
| 16:30.32 | findlay | yeah, those dorms give you so much independence |
| 16:30.33 | findlay | (: |
| 16:30.40 | levi | You're probably not going to be very impressed by any unix class you take. |
| 16:31.12 | mheath_ | findlay: .... |
| 16:31.39 | mheath_ | I went, in a matter of days, from being completley independent from my dad, both literally and financially, to being unemployed and living at home again |
| 16:31.45 | mheath_ | I want to get out of the house. |
| 16:32.04 | mheath_ | I don't mind living with other people, or living on the UoU. I've lived in a barracks with 80 guys before, several times :P |
| 16:32.32 | mheath_ | Having a roommate or roomates will not be bad. |
| 16:32.57 | findlay | mheath_: you may tire of living in a dorm environment very fast |
| 16:33.05 | fozzmoo | But what if they're whiny, lazy, liberal bastards? |
| 16:33.07 | findlay | or you may not |
| 16:33.12 | redbeard1 | my roommate at cooking school was a jerk |
| 16:33.15 | findlay | indeed |
| 16:33.44 | redbeard1 | but that's okay, he got suspended for two months, which included being banned from student housing |
| 16:33.44 | findlay | it's just that dorms to me don't bring up some romantic, wistful vision of freedom |
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| 16:33.57 | fozzmoo | But what if they're whiny, lazy, liberal bastards that think Windows is Gods gift to humanity? :) |
| 16:33.57 | redbeard1 | ~brulee spr_ |
| 16:33.59 | ibot | ACTION whisks spr_ with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 16:34.07 | findlay | hehe |
| 16:34.09 | Jayce^ | yeah, I had a real jerk lazy roomate once... remember him beandog? |
| 16:34.14 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:34.42 | mheath_ | fozzmoo: part of my time at MCRD was in the Recruit Seperations Platoon. |
| 16:34.55 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 16:34.58 | mheath_ | Which was mostly filled with lazy, whiny people |
| 16:35.03 | fozzmoo | ^M^M?! |
| 16:35.10 | findlay | heh, what do I know |
| 16:35.17 | mheath_ | I was getting sent home for medical reasons, a bunch of them weren't. |
| 16:35.20 | findlay | ^M is cr, right? |
| 16:35.25 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 16:35.36 | findlay | first thing that came to mind |
| 16:35.47 | fozzmoo | I think you meant ^H^H^H or ^?^?^?^? :) |
| 16:35.51 | findlay | or is it LF? |
| 16:35.58 | findlay | yeah |
| 16:36.09 | mheath_ | this monitor is dieing |
| 16:36.20 | fozzmoo | I can't remember. There's ^M and ^J. One is CR and the other is LF. :) |
| 16:36.29 | mheath_ | One of the colors doesn't work (red, right now) unless you hit it :P |
| 16:36.58 | fozzmoo | I hear Dell's got a nice 20-inch LCD for cheap. |
| 16:37.13 | fozzmoo | Unfortunately, you'd have to deal with Dell. |
| 16:37.19 | findlay | all I know is when I open a [DOS] file in vim at the end of every line there's a ^M |
| 16:37.39 | findlay | mheath_: those monitors are fun |
| 16:38.35 | mheath_ | Bah, I have $500 right now |
| 16:38.40 | mheath_ | and nothing really to spend it on, at the moment |
| 16:38.45 | mheath_ | THere are tons of things I'd LOVE to buy with that money |
| 16:38.53 | mheath_ | but, I know I really should be saving it for college... |
| 16:38.54 | fozzmoo | Sounds like a new monitor is your destiny. |
| 16:39.18 | findlay | and a lightsaber for findlay |
| 16:39.21 | mheath_ | fozzmoo: nah. This monitor is like 10 years old, and is now just an occasionally used terminal for a server box |
| 16:39.22 | fozzmoo | nah. Just mooch off the govt. |
| 16:39.43 | mheath_ | fozzmoo: loosing the red doesn't matter too much when you're sitting in a black and white console most of the time :P |
| 16:40.00 | fozzmoo | Pretty soon, the whole world looks turquoise. :) |
| 16:41.23 | mheath_ | fozzmoo: the government is hard to mooch off of -.- |
| 16:43.09 | herlo | findlay: dos2unix dosfile or tr '^M' '' dosfile > newdosfile |
| 16:43.12 | findlay | heh, he probably had work to get done |
| 16:43.27 | findlay | herlo: indeed |
| 16:43.38 | findlay | there's also unix2dos |
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| 16:45.48 | levi | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1768109.stm |
| 16:46.44 | mheath_ | levi: synopsis? I'm browser-less, atm |
| 16:48.03 | levi | Initial carbon dating suggests that the remains of a city recently discovered underwater are ~9000 years old. |
| 16:48.07 | findlay | herlo: really, they silently convert the EOL sequence? |
| 16:48.27 | elg | roughly 4500 years older than anyone would expect |
| 16:48.55 | findlay | nobody has ever lived for 9000 years |
| 16:49.03 | mheath_ | the lost city of atlantis! :P |
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| 16:50.21 | herlo | findlay: yes, because most apps in windows change the EOL. IIRC, you can actually prove it by opening the text file in a couple apps, like notepad and another, like textpad or something, then make some minor edits, resave it as another file, and it should have the ^M chars back. Of course, I did this test about 2 years ago |
| 16:51.06 | levi | It's a really old story, though. Probably not what they initially suspected, since we haven't heard anything since that I'm aware of. |
| 16:51.10 | levi | Nevermind. :) |
| 16:51.23 | findlay | about 9000 years old |
| 16:56.10 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_size_of_armed_forces |
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| 16:56.37 | levi | If this is correct, Russia has far more tanks than they could even hope to pilot. |
| 17:01.37 | redbeard1 | levi, anything russia has, they have more of than they know what to do with, except for things like food |
| 17:14.17 | levi | GHC 6.6 looks pretty darn cool. |
| 17:14.22 | levi | I may have to learn haskell! |
| 17:14.32 | redbeard1 | ghc? |
| 17:14.40 | levi | Glasgow Haskell Compiler. |
| 17:14.52 | redbeard1 | oh, right right |
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| 17:28.43 | spr_ | ~cook redbeard1 |
| 17:28.46 | ibot | ACTION throws redbeard1 in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks redbeard1 on 350 for an hour |
| 17:29.04 | redbeard1 | ~fry spr_ |
| 17:29.05 | ibot | ACTION grabs spr_ and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 17:31.11 | jsmith | ~strfry strings |
| 17:32.21 | herlo | ~herlo jsmith |
| 17:32.22 | ibot | ACTION pokes jsmith with a sharp needle. |
| 17:33.18 | spr_ | ~whaleslap redbeard1 |
| 17:33.19 | ibot | ACTION beats redbeard1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 17:33.57 | jsmith | herlo: Thanks... I needed that. |
| 17:34.07 | herlo | jsmith: no problem, anytime |
| 17:34.11 | herlo | :) |
| 17:35.48 | elg | http://www.balloonfiesta.com/ |
| 17:35.55 | elg | tomorrow and Saturday, baby |
| 17:36.34 | goozbach | hotwinkgs |
| 17:37.28 | graphyx | two years ago we had one of those balloons land next door to us. |
| 17:37.45 | graphyx | It was out of gas and landed to get some more propane(or whatever it was). |
| 17:37.57 | graphyx | It was one of the legislators who owned the balloon. |
| 17:38.51 | elg | did you hold him hostage until he agreed to fight to repeal the DMCA? |
| 17:39.21 | graphyx | I chatted with him about p2p technologies and how they were useful for good purposes. |
| 17:39.24 | graphyx | honestly.. |
| 17:44.37 | findlay | what's the debian equivalent of `rpm -qa`? |
| 17:44.45 | findlay | or `emerge -e`? |
| 17:44.55 | findlay | `emerge -pe` that is |
| 17:52.02 | findlay | nothing |
| 17:52.16 | findlay | guess debian is an inferior distro |
| 18:01.32 | levi | Apparently Larry Wall upgraded his GHC to 6.6 and some Perl 6 program (via Pugs) suddenly ran 60x faster. |
| 18:02.21 | emcnabb | wow |
| 18:03.28 | redbeard1 | that's intense |
| 18:03.44 | levi | findlay: What does rpm -qa do? According to the manpage it performs a query on all packages, but I'm not sure what specifically you want to accomplish with that. |
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| 18:04.14 | mheath[laptop] | Hmm. The API for setting the default browser seems to have changed in Vista |
| 18:04.25 | mheath[laptop] | Current builds of Firefox can't set themselves as the default browser |
| 18:04.33 | Tene | rpm -qa lists all packages that rpm knows are installed |
| 18:05.49 | levi | findlay: dpkg -l |
| 18:05.55 | findlay | levi: that's what I want. I want a list of all installed packages |
| 18:06.17 | levi | I looked at the rpm manpage. Couldn't you have looked at the dpkg manpage? |
| 18:06.36 | findlay | levi: what do you think I've been doing the past several minutes (: |
| 18:07.39 | findlay | besides from the manpage `dpkg -l` doesn't say anything about listing all packages without argument |
| 18:07.56 | levi | Neither does the rpm manpage. |
| 18:08.25 | findlay | perhaps, but that's all I knew |
| 18:08.27 | levi | And the dpkg manpage at least points you at dpkg-query manpage, which does specify the behavior with no argument. |
| 18:10.02 | levi | Anyway, dpkg -l does what you want. |
| 18:11.37 | emcnabb | levi: how are classes going? |
| 18:12.10 | levi | emcnabb: Not too bad. Got a midterm in AI next week, and I need to finish my chess-playing program. |
| 18:12.27 | graphyx | levi using minimax method? |
| 18:12.30 | levi | The only thing I really have to do now is hook it up to the stupid C# interface. |
| 18:12.40 | emcnabb | fun |
| 18:12.52 | levi | Iterative deepening minimax with a time limit, with alpha-beta pruning. |
| 18:13.10 | levi | And I wrote it in Ocaml. Whee! |
| 18:13.16 | graphyx | I am not familiar with alpha-beta pruning.. |
| 18:14.05 | macnewbold | oh, it rocks |
| 18:14.14 | macnewbold | min-max is great too |
| 18:14.42 | levi | Basically, it keeps track of the best for you and best for the opponent scores so far, which lets you disregard choices that fall outside that range for a given min or max node. |
| 18:15.07 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 18:15.11 | graphyx | Cool. |
| 18:15.16 | graphyx | Can you beat it at chess yourself? |
| 18:15.35 | levi | Which, if your move ordering is good, can significantly reduce the search space. |
| 18:15.41 | levi | I haven't tried. |
| 18:15.50 | graphyx | My friend James Carroll, Into AI at BYU joked, that programming computers to play computer games was the closure of computer science. |
| 18:16.08 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:16.29 | macnewbold | it's much more fun to have your game-playing program play against itself or other programs, rather than humans |
| 18:16.38 | graphyx | yeah.. |
| 18:16.47 | graphyx | Cause it's you versus whoever programmed the other player. |
| 18:16.53 | graphyx | instead of your versus yourself. |
| 18:17.00 | graphyx | s/your/you |
| 18:17.01 | macnewbold | the hardest part of a chess playing program is the function that judges how good or bad a particular board is for each player |
| 18:17.09 | graphyx | indeed. |
| 18:17.15 | macnewbold | checkers programs are easier that way, plus the smaller search space helps |
| 18:17.22 | graphyx | That's about the hardest part of chess in truth. |
| 18:18.06 | graphyx | cause understanding how good/bad a particular board indicates that you understand how the rest of it can play out. |
| 18:18.13 | macnewbold | right |
| 18:18.26 | levi | Well, material advantage is pretty easy to calculate, and gets you most of the way there. |
| 18:18.39 | macnewbold | you can get a really good function using book moves as the game nears the end, but the rest is harder |
| 18:18.47 | graphyx | Well unless you fall to a sacrafice of material for a gain in position. |
| 18:19.09 | macnewbold | right, losing this piece or that piece, or being in position to threaten this piece or that piece, etc. is good |
| 18:19.10 | levi | The sources I've read claim that positional advantage is worth at most a pawn and a half. |
| 18:19.19 | graphyx | interesting. |
| 18:19.29 | levi | In terms of material advantage. |
| 18:19.39 | graphyx | Looks like you probably know more about it than I/ |
| 18:19.42 | macnewbold | the thing that judges the value of position for you is usually the iterative deepening |
| 18:19.42 | Tene | Any gentoo-users in the audience? |
| 18:19.44 | graphyx | I can only conjecture. |
| 18:19.52 | graphyx | Tene: yeah, used it some. |
| 18:19.55 | macnewbold | you just hope that the position is visible with as many layers deep as you can reach within your time limit |
| 18:20.05 | macnewbold | otherwise, it doesn't appear so good if you can't look that far ahead |
| 18:20.05 | Tene | A friend is having a weird block in portage |
| 18:20.29 | Tene | [blocks B ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (is blocking x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.1-r1) |
| 18:20.29 | levi | Yeah, if you can search deep enough, your positional stuff happens magically. |
| 18:20.43 | levi | I can't search very deep in 5 seconds, though, unfortunately. |
| 18:20.59 | graphyx | Tene: could be those drivers are imcompatable for the new version. did you try to update those drivers? |
| 18:21.49 | graphyx | Levi, do you use the time that the other player is thinking to your advantage then? |
| 18:21.56 | graphyx | Or is this computer vs computer only? |
| 18:22.11 | levi | graphyx: Nope, can't do that. |
| 18:22.30 | graphyx | levi, aren't allowed by the assignment or not programmed to do so? |
| 18:22.37 | levi | I'm not allowed by the assignment. |
| 18:22.43 | graphyx | ok. |
| 18:22.45 | graphyx | That stinks. |
| 18:22.51 | levi | Yeah. |
| 18:23.22 | levi | And only having a month or so of very part-time work on it necessitates a rather naive chess program. |
| 18:23.24 | graphyx | I would have suggested that you just use the time from when you play your last move to bound the search until you get their move and then bind it to that move so that you already have a good map to work with. |
| 18:24.05 | graphyx | Is this the final competition project? |
| 18:24.18 | graphyx | I got 3rd place for capture the flag with my partner. |
| 18:24.20 | Tene | 12:23 < ShadowMaster> xorg-server ebuild states >=x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-1.0.8774 |
| 18:24.22 | Tene | 12:23 < ShadowMaster> * installed packages |
| 18:24.25 | Tene | 12:23 < ShadowMaster> [I--] [ ~] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-1.0.8774 (0) |
| 18:24.27 | levi | This isn't BYU, it's UVSC. |
| 18:24.56 | levi | We don't have a final competitive project, though we will compete and it will be a significant part of the grade. |
| 18:24.58 | graphyx | Tene: Might want to check #gentoo. |
| 18:25.18 | graphyx | levi in our class the winner got an "A" in the class. |
| 18:25.28 | graphyx | I think I got an "A" or "A-" anyway.. |
| 18:25.43 | mheath[laptop] | can anyone comment on the PSP? |
| 18:25.52 | levi | graphyx: The winner will get an A on this project. I expect to get at least a B in the class anyway. |
| 18:25.59 | levi | mheath[laptop]: Waste of money and time. |
| 18:26.59 | mheath[laptop] | heh, money keeps burning a hole in my pocket :P |
| 18:27.14 | graphyx | Put it in short term cds |
| 18:27.18 | graphyx | You can't touch it that way. |
| 18:27.29 | graphyx | and you get a better than savings account return on it. |
| 18:27.53 | mheath[laptop] | graphyx, I'm thinking of putting it into some mutual funds, actually |
| 18:28.05 | mheath[laptop] | more accessible than CDs, but less accessible than just having it in my checking account |
| 18:28.11 | graphyx | That works too. |
| 18:28.42 | mheath[laptop] | I'm not sure the mutual fund company I like (USAA) will let me do investment as a 17 year old, though |
| 18:28.56 | graphyx | why not? |
| 18:28.59 | graphyx | Have you tried? |
| 18:29.11 | graphyx | Just get your dad to sign the consent form. |
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| 18:31.15 | findlay | CDs are so 80's |
| 18:31.31 | findlay | everybody does ipods now |
| 18:31.39 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: put your money into an ipod |
| 18:31.51 | graphyx | What, you want to use the money to potentially finances selling stock futures on the margin? |
| 18:31.55 | findlay | you might have to shrink it now |
| 18:32.02 | graphyx | s/finances/finance/ |
| 18:32.03 | findlay | s/now/first/ |
| 18:40.37 | levi | Wow, this vending machine danish is spectacularly unhealthy! |
| 18:41.16 | levi | 460 calories, 190 fat calories, 6g of trans-fats. |
| 18:41.37 | mheath[laptop] | $149.99 for 1GB of RAM for this laptop |
| 18:41.47 | levi | Not quite an M&M shake, but still. |
| 18:41.52 | graphyx | mheath is that a lot or not so much? |
| 18:42.04 | mheath[laptop] | I don't need it. |
| 18:42.23 | levi | mheath[laptop]: You don't need a PSP either. Or an Xbox360. |
| 18:43.38 | mheath[laptop] | yeah, I know....bah |
| 18:44.02 | graphyx | mheath you need a Wii... |
| 18:44.10 | levi | The RAM, at least, could be used for useful things. :) |
| 18:44.10 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart graphyx |
| 18:44.17 | findlay | levi: think of it this way: you only need to eat 4 of them to get your daily compliment of calories |
| 18:44.37 | findlay | cheap calories |
| 18:44.37 | mheath[laptop] | levi: not really. As long as I run a decent operating system (IE, not vista, which I'm running now) things work great. |
| 18:45.30 | mheath[laptop] | and at least then I'll have to make the decision to transfer it back to checking or withdraw it before I spend it |
| 18:47.28 | levi | mheath[laptop]: The fact that it works great now does not mean that additional RAM would not get used. |
| 18:48.38 | levi | In fact, you could use the additional RAM plus Xen or VMWare or something to play with operating systems, as you seem wont to do. |
| 18:49.09 | mheath[laptop] | nope. I'm about to start school, that money is much more useful elsewhere. |
| 18:49.40 | mheath[laptop] | And even then, I'm going to pay for individual charge cards, NOT put it onto my debit card. |
| 18:50.23 | mheath[laptop] | that way I have to make a concious effort to renew the subscription |
| 18:51.12 | mheath_ | I've budgeted out $100 spending money, with which I have to pay for my UoU Housing Application fee, but other than that is free to use. |
| 18:51.15 | graphyx | mheath Does thi smean that you got your pay check for your time with the govt? |
| 18:51.32 | mheath_ | Cedega, WoW subscription, etc |
| 18:51.37 | mheath_ | graphyx: yes, finally |
| 18:51.41 | mheath_ | I was expecting more though |
| 18:51.48 | mheath_ | This is my actual pay |
| 18:52.11 | mheath_ | I thought I was supposed to get the money from selling my gear back to them, and the balance of a little debit card thing they made us buy for visits to the PX |
| 18:52.46 | mheath_ | ~curse Vista |
| 18:52.49 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Vista ! |
| 18:52.54 | mheath_ | haha |
| 18:58.39 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:00.47 | goozbach | so I'm liking awstats |
| 19:00.50 | goozbach | very cool |
| 19:00.52 | graphyx | ibot, reincarnation is <reply> I believed in reincarnation during my last life, but not this one. |
| 19:00.54 | ibot | ...but reincarnation is already something else... |
| 19:01.00 | graphyx | ~reincarnation |
| 19:01.01 | ibot | False, because Peaker is THINKING now :) |
| 19:01.23 | graphyx | ~factinfo reincarnation |
| 19:01.23 | ibot | reincarnation -- it has been requested once, last by graphyx, 22s ago. |
| 19:15.06 | mheath[laptop] | scothoser, ping |
| 19:15.49 | mheath[laptop] | or anyone who lived in UoU student housing |
| 19:16.32 | macnewbold | I didn't live there, but had friends that did, mheath |
| 19:17.06 | mheath[laptop] | well, I'm applying for housing |
| 19:17.13 | mheath[laptop] | and one of the available rooms is a "double deluxe" |
| 19:17.18 | macnewbold | ooooh |
| 19:17.22 | macnewbold | aaaah |
| 19:17.40 | mheath[laptop] | It lists as the Beds, 74326A, 74326B, 74327A, and 74527B |
| 19:17.54 | mheath[laptop] | Is it talking about two different rooms for two, or one room for 4? |
| 19:18.13 | macnewbold | it might be two rooms for two each with some shared areas (living room/kitchen probably?) |
| 19:18.21 | macnewbold | their website probably explains the difference |
| 19:18.24 | macnewbold | I'd hope so, anyway |
| 19:18.33 | macnewbold | does it cost more than the regular ones? |
| 19:18.53 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold, only about $100 for the entire semester |
| 19:19.44 | mheath[laptop] | the problem is, there isn't any regular doubles available ATM |
| 19:19.52 | mheath[laptop] | it says more will become available mainly in december |
| 19:20.01 | mheath[laptop] | when people start to tell them that they're not coming back for spring |
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| 19:47.52 | macnewbold | mheath: right. The deluxe one sounds nice to me, and for $25-33/month, it sounds like a great deal. |
| 19:48.01 | macnewbold | but of course, it's up to your preferences :) |
| 19:50.11 | graphyx | Anyone familiar with any open source windows log consolidation projects? |
| 19:51.18 | graphyx | I suggested we review loglogic and my boss said is there an open source project that does the same thing.. |
| 19:51.22 | graphyx | So I come to ask here. |
| 19:56.29 | findlay | hey, what do you know. awstats? |
| 19:56.57 | findlay | although it only does web, mail, ftp, and a couple of other things |
| 19:57.07 | findlay | the real answer, of course, is to switch to linux |
| 19:57.27 | findlay | (; |
| 19:57.28 | findlay | s/;/:/ |
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| 20:00.35 | mheath[laptop] | hmm, comcast changed around my channel numberings last night |
| 20:00.41 | mheath[laptop] | 10 used to be TBS, now it's history channel |
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| 20:15.10 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart elg |
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| 20:28.39 | elg | rsimpkins: hear hear to amcnabb's poll |
| 20:29.56 | amcnabb | rsimpkins: Me too. hear hear to amcnabb's poll :) |
| 20:30.23 | elg | I think it's silly to spend money on games in the first place, let alone keep a windows box around just to play them on |
| 20:30.35 | elg | I know I'm the odd one. I just plain don't get it |
| 20:31.23 | elg | I sometimes enjoy playing a game here and there |
| 20:31.54 | elg | but I can think of a lot of things I'd rather spend my time and money on regularly than being a gaming addict |
| 20:34.01 | findlay | ~game |
| 20:34.03 | ibot | somebody said game was full?, or bzflag.org, or bzflag.org, or possibly bzflag.org |
| 20:34.19 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:35.24 | findlay | true, let windows keep all the filthy games. That just gives me more righteous points to be running a distro that only has wholesome games on it like chess |
| 20:35.43 | TimRiker | hey. BZFlag is wholesome. |
| 20:35.54 | findlay | and BZFlag (-: |
| 20:36.10 | SB1-Work | bzflag is more than wholesome |
| 20:36.15 | SB1-Work | It's just too bad I suck so hard at it |
| 20:36.32 | TimRiker | SecondLife runs under Linux, but I would not call that entirely wholesome. |
| 20:37.23 | SB1-Work | . . . . . |
| 20:37.25 | SB1-Work | ~slashdot |
| 20:37.39 | Tene | elg: how is it different to use a windows box for windows games than to use an xbox for xbox games or a ps2 for ps2 games? |
| 20:37.39 | SB1-Work | Yeah. |
| 20:41.44 | amcnabb | Tene, I see it the same for both. |
| 20:41.51 | amcnabb | Of course, I don't own an xbox or ps2. |
| 20:41.59 | findlay | I don't think elg thinks there's a difference and I don't think there's a difference either |
| 20:42.28 | amcnabb | I don't look down on anyone for having game consoles, etc.; I'm just not interested. |
| 20:43.55 | mheath_ | ~praise Cedega |
| 20:43.56 | ibot | All hail Cedega! |
| 20:44.40 | mheath_ | after ubuntu installs :) |
| 20:45.54 | SB1-Work | ~lart cedega |
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| 20:50.38 | findlay | ~cedathingh |
| 20:50.42 | findlay | ~cedathingy |
| 20:50.48 | findlay | whatever |
| 20:50.56 | mheath_ | ~cedega |
| 20:50.57 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at ... |
| 20:51.25 | findlay | ugh |
| 20:51.31 | findlay | windows |
| 20:51.41 | mheath_ | Yes. |
| 21:02.13 | amcnabb | elg, apparently rsimpkins doesn't like my idea. |
| 21:07.00 | rsimpkins | hehe. :) |
| 21:07.13 | rsimpkins | I like the opposite of the idea - I'm writting a reply. :) |
| 21:08.50 | amcnabb | Ok. :) |
| 21:11.19 | elg | Tene: it's no different, except the xbox and ps2 are more affordable |
| 21:11.32 | elg | unless you dual boot. but I think you get more bang for buck from an xbox or ps2 |
| 21:11.38 | Tene | xbox360 is like $400, I think |
| 21:11.46 | Tene | But yeah. |
| 21:13.07 | elg | and the ps3 is supposed to be $600 or something. I'd never pay that |
| 21:14.30 | nick125_lappy | $600 and it doesn't include half the cables |
| 21:14.34 | nick125_lappy | plus $60 per game |
| 21:14.50 | elg | I can go skiing all winter for that kind of money |
| 21:14.58 | elg | once or twice a month |
| 21:15.36 | nick125_lappy | who here thinks the PS3 is going to flop? |
| 21:15.59 | elg | no opinion |
| 21:16.07 | elg | it'll flop at my ouse, just like all the other consoles have. :) |
| 21:17.00 | nick125_lappy | seriously...$600 for a console...that does half as much as the competition |
| 21:17.05 | bonez39 | anyone here using ArrivalTel? |
| 21:18.17 | amcnabb | bonez39, not really, but they seem cool. |
| 21:19.06 | amcnabb | If my phone line wasn't a mandatory part of my apt. bill, I'd definitely go with them. |
| 21:19.17 | mheath_ | seems my monitor has finally completely died |
| 21:19.20 | mheath_ | one color of it, at least |
| 21:19.29 | mheath_ | used to be I could tap the monitor to get it working again |
| 21:19.43 | macnewbold | sometimes it is the cable that causes that |
| 21:19.54 | macnewbold | at either end, by the monitor or where it plugs into the computer |
| 21:20.12 | macnewbold | or it could be one of your electron guns (it's a CRT, right?) |
| 21:20.45 | mheath_ | yeah |
| 21:20.49 | mheath_ | nah, this problem has been there for years |
| 21:20.53 | mheath_ | getting progressively worse |
| 21:27.04 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, you aren't being serious with your "modified poll," are you? I don't get it. |
| 21:28.28 | bonez39 | macnewbold, would a video card cause the color to get weird sometimes? Occasionally mine will go blue...can still see things, but with a blue filter over it all... |
| 21:30.31 | levi | What modified poll? |
| 21:30.46 | Jayce^ | nick125_lappy, $600 though is still about half the price of any other blu-ray player on the market, so atm it's the best priced player out there by a huge margin |
| 21:30.57 | macnewbold | yeah, it can happen... I had a video card fail in a really weird way a year or two ago too |
| 21:30.57 | Jayce^ | too pricey for me to even consider, but that's another take on it |
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| 21:34.58 | amcnabb | levi, on the plug list |
| 21:36.43 | levi | amcnabb: I just ran across it. |
| 21:37.13 | levi | I didn't think it was a 'modified poll', I thought it was an enumerated list of objections to the poll. |
| 21:37.52 | amcnabb | levi, it's one or two messages after that one |
| 21:38.07 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: My point was trying to expand the idea out by showing what the oppositive of the proposed idea was. 60 some odd percent of visitors to plug.org are windows users. I think there might be a much more effective and interesting poll out there if we think it out. |
| 21:38.27 | levi | amcnabb: I guess I haven't received it yet, then. |
| 21:39.23 | amcnabb | Oops. It looks like that was only sent to me. |
| 21:39.47 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, explain a bit more. |
| 21:39.50 | rsimpkins | I think it will take maybe 3 or 4 targeted questions to start painint a really informative picture of Linux vs. Windows use with visitors to plug.org |
| 21:41.43 | amcnabb | What sort of picture are you getting at? What questions would do a better job of painting it? |
| 21:42.00 | amcnabb | I'm very curious about the issues is why I'm asking. |
| 21:42.12 | rsimpkins | Maybe ask the question: "Why aren't you using Linux?" |
| 21:42.47 | SB1-Work | Heh. Have the poll variate based on the current OS. |
| 21:42.48 | rsimpkins | or "What does Linux need on the desktop?" |
| 21:43.06 | SB1-Work | "Why aren't you using Linux?" for windows users and "Why aren't you using Windows?" for the linux users |
| 21:43.06 | amcnabb | People have already asked that question. I think it's interesting, but I've talked to so many people that I don't feel like there's much out there that I don't know. |
| 21:43.10 | amcnabb | Does that make sense? |
| 21:43.30 | amcnabb | I can already say why most people who don't use Linux don't use Linux. |
| 21:43.54 | amcnabb | I'm curious about people who do use Linux. How much do they use Windows? |
| 21:44.18 | rsimpkins | I see your point. |
| 21:44.40 | amcnabb | I just don't have any information for that question. |
| 21:45.38 | amcnabb | If you're a Linux person, to what degree does Linux cover all of your needs? |
| 21:45.48 | findlay | so in my gmail account there's this tab called "Spam" |
| 21:45.48 | rsimpkins | Can we make it non windows specific? What about OSX users? |
| 21:45.57 | elg | nick125_lappy: you're the albuquerquean right? |
| 21:46.07 | elg | or was it herlo ? |
| 21:46.11 | amcnabb | Personally, I lump OSX people in with Linux people here, hence the phrasing of my poll questions. |
| 21:46.38 | findlay | and it keeps getting full of mail titled vi1ll4Gr4 and other things. I wonder what the big deal is |
| 21:46.46 | mheath_ | hmm. Network Manager isn't working for me. |
| 21:46.49 | amcnabb | Here in the CS Department at BYU, there are a lot of people who use both Mac OS X and Windows, especially now that you can dual boot. |
| 21:47.00 | mheath_ | Worked perfectly out of the box in Ubuntu before... |
| 21:47.06 | findlay | everybody give me your email addresses so I can share the deals |
| 21:47.21 | nick125_lappy | elg, I'm in albuquerque, yeah |
| 21:47.38 | elg | we're coming up for the balloon fiesta tomorrow, want to stay the night |
| 21:47.42 | elg | but whoa are motels expensive |
| 21:47.51 | elg | do you have a backyard? we have a tent |
| 21:48.05 | amcnabb | rsimpkins: Since Windows is the King of the Hill, I'm curious about how many people in the minority still use a lot of Windows because they feel that they need to. |
| 21:48.22 | mheath_ | nick125_lappy is like 14. I wonder what his parents would think of people showing up and camping in their backyard :P |
| 21:48.34 | nick125_lappy | elg, the backyard here is mainly weeds and rock.. |
| 21:48.44 | elg | well if he has a backyard we'd have to ask his parents or something |
| 21:48.57 | findlay | I'm sure you could find some hospitable aliens at Los Alamos |
| 21:48.59 | elg | know any good camping spots that might still be open? |
| 21:49.14 | elg | los alamos is almost as far in the other direction as we are to abq |
| 21:49.35 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 21:49.35 | findlay | maybe the alien suburbs have grown since then |
| 21:49.46 | findlay | ? |
| 21:49.49 | elg | i know people in santa fe and los alamos, in a pinch, but none that I would like to ask if we can stay at their house out of the blue if I can help it |
| 21:50.36 | elg | mostly I'm looking for camping ideas. I was kidding about your backyard :) |
| 21:50.58 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 21:50.58 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: So you want to know how much people use Microsoft Windows. Not why. Right? |
| 21:51.27 | findlay | maybe there are aliens that live in Albuquerque |
| 21:51.32 | elg | rsimpkins: that's what I want. I don't care if they're addicted to games, too wimpy, forced to by their boss/wife |
| 21:52.11 | findlay | am I too principled if I refuse to marry someone who is a MS fangirl? |
| 21:52.17 | findlay | (: |
| 21:52.22 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, you don't have enough space to do both at once. |
| 21:52.30 | mheath_ | The thing I've noticed is that there are mainly two types of Linux users |
| 21:52.40 | rsimpkins | "I like Linux, but still use Windows..." 1) Everyday. 2) Weekly. 3) Monthly. 4) Never. |
| 21:52.43 | mheath_ | The "hey, this looks cool" users that will set it up as a dual boot on their windows machines |
| 21:52.56 | mheath_ | and the dedicated linux users, who use (or try to use) it exclusively |
| 21:52.59 | nick125_lappy | mheath_, I agree |
| 21:53.17 | mheath_ | The first category will mostly use Windows almost exclusively, except to play with Linux a little bit |
| 21:53.28 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, there's still the question: "Do you even own a Windows computer?" that doesn't come up there. |
| 21:53.32 | mheath_ | the second category tries to use Linux exclusively, but is often forced to by work, family, or school requirements |
| 21:53.53 | mheath_ | yah, I found the problem |
| 21:53.56 | rsimpkins | "I like Linux, but still use Windows..." 1) Everyday. 2) Weekly. 3) Monthly. 4) Never. 5) Don't even own a copy. |
| 21:53.57 | findlay | but every girl in catergory 1 is automatically invalidated |
| 21:54.06 | mheath_ | ~lart gnome's bad network configuration tool |
| 21:54.18 | SB1-Work | rsimpkins, what if you have to combine option 1 with option 5? ;) |
| 21:54.23 | mheath_ | Oh, even though you're not configuring eth1 here, I'm going to go ahead and right a default entry for it in the network config file, mmmk? |
| 21:54.50 | rsimpkins | SB1-Work: That is fixed in Vista. ;) |
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| 21:55.06 | nick125_lappy | mheath_, just remember, it could be much worse..... |
| 21:55.15 | SB1-Work | rsimpkins, I'd debate that. Get the Enterprise version (aka business), and deal with NO activation! |
| 21:55.36 | SB1-Work | Only the home versions will sport "I've gotta talk to my master first" bit |
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| 21:55.53 | nick125_lappy | SB1-Work, I think they started doing some kind of activation or some BS like that with the enterprise version |
| 21:56.18 | SB1-Work | nick125_lappy, I doubt it |
| 21:56.22 | mheath_ | There wasn't any in XP |
| 21:56.26 | mheath_ | and I doubt they would |
| 21:56.31 | mheath_ | that makes it REALLY hard to rollout on a network |
| 21:56.51 | SB1-Work | XP has activation... |
| 21:57.11 | mheath_ | SB1-Work: Not on the enterprise OEM version. |
| 21:57.33 | SB1-Work | mheath_, which is determined by the key you input, not by the disc you have. |
| 21:57.37 | SB1-Work | Unlike Vista Enterprise. |
| 21:57.44 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: I am trying to keep an open mind about it - I just am having a hard time finding the right magic there. |
| 21:57.58 | mheath_ | SB1-Work: No, I've seen a version that never asks you for a key. |
| 21:58.02 | mheath_ | Its an OEM enterprise version |
| 21:58.30 | herlo | elg: I am a Utahn |
| 21:58.32 | SB1-Work | The key is coded into the install itself. It's pretty trivial to do |
| 21:59.35 | SB1-Work | mheath_, that version you've seen contains a VLK key pre-coded into the install.sif, and when the key auth code reads the key, it goes "No need for activation here" |
| 21:59.35 | findlay | ~utahnify herlo |
| 22:00.09 | findlay | how fast do you think vista's wga will be cracked by Russian crackers? |
| 22:00.24 | SB1-Work | It's already been cracked ;) |
| 22:01.46 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, I'm not married to my phrasing of the questions, but I'm still interested in knowing what your primary computer is. |
| 22:02.16 | mheath_ | k8 is backwards compatible with k7, se? |
| 22:02.30 | amcnabb | The way I saw it, there are 4 options: 1) All Windows, 2) Mostly Windows, 3) Mostly Linux, 4) All Linux |
| 22:02.57 | mheath_ | I think Ubuntu's linux-k7 kernel is the closest I can come to one for my arch |
| 22:03.04 | amcnabb | lumping OS X, BSD, etc. in with Linux |
| 22:03.18 | mheath_ | my arch is k8, but one of the very few k8's that isn't 64bit |
| 22:06.17 | nick125_lappy | k7 is probably the closest your going to come without compiling your own kernel |
| 22:18.24 | findlay | cbrown: do you remember when the next hearing is? |
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| 23:08.06 | mheath_ | hah. |
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| 23:08.24 | mheath_ | that doesn't make sense though |
| 23:08.31 | mheath_ | the flood wasn't in here |
| 23:08.38 | mheath_ | how would the cat have changed channels? |
| 23:08.49 | emcnabb | wow, there's at least 60 people here at this LUG meeting |
| 23:12.25 | nick125_lappy | UGH |
| 23:12.25 | nick125_lappy | stupid cat |
| 23:12.25 | nick125_lappy | note to self: never leave the room without closing the laptop lid |
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| 23:16.30 | emcnabb | actually, there's probably 80 people here... wow |
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| 23:17.54 | jsmith | hi |
| 23:20.38 | macnewbold | ~sargun xbmodder |
| 23:20.40 | ibot | Want a VPS, xbmodder ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, xbmodder ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, xbmodder ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
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| 23:21.13 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 23:21.15 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:21.26 | macnewbold | just wanted you to know we missed you, or something like that |
| 23:21.26 | Sargun | ibot, xbmodder is hi $blah |
| 23:21.28 | ibot | ...but xbmodder is already something else... |
| 23:21.32 | macnewbold | ~xbmodder |
| 23:21.33 | ibot | methinks xbmodder is a moose. already something else... |
| 23:21.34 | Sargun | ibot, no, xbmodder is hi $blah |
| 23:21.35 | ibot | Sargun: okay |
| 23:21.49 | Sargun | ~xbmodder macnewbold |
| 23:22.00 | macnewbold | ~shakespeare sargun |
| 23:22.01 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: sargun - Thou tottering pottle-deep moldwarp! |
| 23:22.06 | Sargun | ibot, what is ping? |
| 23:22.08 | ibot | Sargun: what are you talking about? |
| 23:22.20 | macnewbold | ask ibot who his daddy is... |
| 23:23.19 | goozbach | ibot: who's your daddy? |
| 23:23.20 | ibot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 23:23.25 | goozbach | ohh yeah |
| 23:24.25 | macnewbold | ~wade |
| 23:24.26 | ibot | i heard wade is Wadespeare,Shakeswade, or Shakeshearer |
| 23:24.31 | macnewbold | ~wps |
| 23:24.32 | ibot | [wps] Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 23:24.42 | macnewbold | ~wps's wife |
| 23:24.44 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, wps's wife is Mrs. Sexy Pants |
| 23:24.51 | macnewbold | ~wps's kid |
| 23:24.52 | ibot | it has been said that wps's kid is Junior Sexy Pants |
| 23:28.50 | mheath_ | hmmm. I'm not sure I understand Cedega's GUI |
| 23:29.04 | mheath_ | I can get it to work OK from the command line, but the operation of the GUI doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 23:29.35 | mheath_ | Click Install, choose the root of the install directory, autodetect disk, and it detects it as World of Warcraft...but then you click Install and it doesn't _do_ anything. |
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