| 00:27.55 | maquis | any postgres gurus around? |
| 00:35.02 | beandog | maquis: whats up |
| 00:36.00 | maquis | beandog: i think i found it... i was trying to figure out how to make a particular table, but i realized that i have a table that's extremely similar, so i'm dumping that table and copying it :) |
| 00:36.10 | beandog | hokay :) |
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| 00:36.55 | maquis | beandog: thanks, though |
| 00:37.17 | maquis | i suppose i didn't really need a guru... it was actually moderately simple |
| 00:37.25 | maquis | i suck at table creates |
| 00:37.26 | beandog | yahp |
| 00:37.43 | beandog | yah it can be hard to remember how to do. |
| 00:37.58 | maquis | it's moderately rare |
| 00:38.11 | maquis | usually, i'm just doing inserts, selects, joins, updates, etc |
| 00:38.22 | maquis | (and dropping is easy, despite being rare) |
| 00:38.55 | beandog | yah |
| 00:44.17 | beandog | are you just using psql? |
| 00:49.39 | maquis | yeah |
| 00:49.44 | maquis | oops |
| 00:49.46 | maquis | forgot a column |
| 01:05.35 | maquis | tuxd00d was here again? |
| 01:22.04 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
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| 02:14.35 | findlay | maquis: but he'LL BE BACK |
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| 02:35.38 | maquis | findlay: i'm sure... |
| 02:35.39 | maquis | but.. |
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| 03:38.23 | beandog | man |
| 03:38.26 | beandog | my sound is all jacked up. |
| 03:38.27 | beandog | this sucks. |
| 03:39.00 | beandog | stupid hda-intel |
| 04:37.32 | findlay | maquis: but... |
| 04:38.41 | maquis | findlay: but i hadn't noticed he was pesent |
| 04:38.42 | maquis | er |
| 04:38.44 | maquis | present |
| 04:38.51 | maquis | maybe he is a peasant too, though |
| 04:39.00 | findlay | ~heh |
| 04:39.01 | ibot | heh |
| 04:39.07 | findlay | ~ha |
| 04:39.08 | ibot | Sugar: scotch on the rocks |
| 04:39.13 | findlay | ~hi |
| 04:39.14 | ibot | hello, findlay |
| 04:39.18 | findlay | ~he |
| 04:39.20 | ibot | it has been said that he is a deaf bastard, deaf people cannot make "hearing" music |
| 04:39.24 | maquis | ok... what in the world is wrong with this query: |
| 04:39.27 | maquis | insert into blog_comments(post_id, comment_person, comment_person_email, comment_person_url, comment, comment_time) values(26, 'erins2', 'foo@foo.com', 'tuxgirl.com', 'this is another test comment... hopefully it will work correctly', now()) |
| 04:39.31 | findlay | ~ho |
| 04:39.32 | ibot | well, ho is a derisive term for a promiscuous woman most often used in (american) english, or one of the many bits of african-american slang that white people have appropriated |
| 04:39.49 | findlay | maquis: too many words. Just take out some words and it will be just right |
| 04:39.57 | maquis | findlay: ah... sure... |
| 04:40.48 | findlay | ~lart windows because it is an inferior platform |
| 04:43.51 | findlay | ibot: you are wiered |
| 04:43.52 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 04:44.00 | findlay | ibot: you |
| 04:44.02 | ibot | i'm a broken bot |
| 04:44.08 | findlay | see? |
| 04:47.05 | findlay | ~hate windows |
| 04:47.11 | findlay | ~despise windows |
| 04:48.14 | tensai | findlay: I need your help |
| 04:48.16 | findlay | ~ridicule windows |
| 04:48.17 | ibot | ACTION drops windows in a tank of pink paint and herring |
| 04:48.24 | findlay | ~help tensai |
| 04:48.45 | findlay | no help on tensai |
| 04:49.05 | findlay | tensai: what kind of help do you seek? |
| 04:49.34 | tensai | I'm going to take my wife to the symphony. Will you look at the season schedule and tell me if you think any particular performance looks especially good? |
| 04:50.12 | tensai | http://www.idahofallssymphony.com/2006-2007program/Brochure06-07.pdf |
| 04:52.49 | tensai | ah. here's a smaller one. http://www.idahofallssymphony.com/2006-2007program/2006.pdf |
| 04:54.21 | findlay | yeah, that pdf is etrocious |
| 04:54.39 | findlay | especially with acroread.exe choking on it (: |
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| 04:55.39 | findlay | that February 24 one looks pretty good |
| 04:55.49 | findlay | nothing overall that remarkable |
| 04:56.13 | findlay | the one this Saturday looks pretty good too |
| 04:56.30 | findlay | Kevin Call is the director at BYU-I |
| 04:57.32 | findlay | Death and Transfiguration AND A young person's guide to the orchestra in the same concert. Now, that's something |
| 05:00.03 | findlay | Respighi is good too |
| 05:03.20 | findlay | now that you remind me, I've thought about making a site that is a compilation of the seasons of all the major orchestras in the US so to make qualitative statements about the selection of literature performed and where, etc. |
| 05:17.04 | tensai | good stuff |
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| 05:36.18 | levi_home | Woo, my chess program now does an iterative deeping alphabeta search with a time limit. |
| 06:00.32 | Sargun | good job |
| 06:00.35 | Sargun | what language? |
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| 06:22.46 | mheath | Good..evening? morning? |
| 06:22.52 | mheath | ah. morning. |
| 06:23.01 | mheath | I've got work in the morning, though. Time for sleep. |
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| 12:27.51 | Akuna_Matata | does anybody speak russian? |
| 12:34.47 | goozbach | I'm sure that there's at least one |
| 12:34.54 | goozbach | not I that's for sure |
| 12:35.31 | Akuna_Matata | thanks |
| 12:37.45 | goozbach | it's pretty early however |
| 12:37.59 | goozbach | so there's nobody important awake yet |
| 12:38.02 | goozbach | including myself |
| 12:42.02 | Akuna_Matata | oh. what time is it now? |
| 12:43.44 | maquis | 5:45 am for me, 6:45 for most of the channel |
| 12:44.14 | Akuna_Matata | =) 17:42 for me |
| 12:46.08 | maquis | 12 hour difference :) |
| 12:46.42 | Akuna_Matata | =) |
| 12:50.51 | Akuna_Matata | I have forgotten about this differance, sorry. |
| 12:52.37 | maquis | Akuna_Matata: if you can wait another hour and a half, most people will probably be up |
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| 12:54.45 | Akuna_Matata | I unerstand=) i'll try to wait |
| 12:56.36 | redbeard1 | hola |
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| 12:58.10 | Yoruichi | i'm here |
| 12:58.14 | Yoruichi | ^) |
| 12:58.16 | Yoruichi | ;) |
| 13:00.53 | maquis | redbeard1: check /msg |
| 13:01.35 | redbeard1 | maquis: i saw that page... but i don't know what it says |
| 13:01.43 | redbeard1 | it's like it's in a different language or something |
| 13:01.59 | redbeard1 | yoruichi, hajimemashite |
| 13:03.19 | redbeard1 | maquis: Jayce^ conned me into doing an awstats presentation for plug this wednesday... i don't know if i'm ready to talk intelligently about it tho |
| 13:03.43 | graphyx | be sure to use a secure version. |
| 13:04.41 | redbeard1 | graphyx, as in https, apache authentication, or do you have something else in mind? |
| 13:08.40 | graphyx | Oh chances are that the flaw is old, but there was a remote code execution flaw in an older version of awstats, IIRC |
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| 13:14.37 | redbeard1 | graphyx: yeah, i've run across several reports of exploits with awstats, the least of which is referer spam |
| 13:25.28 | maquis | redbeard1: i don't quite know what it says either, but it had me laughing for a good 10 minutes |
| 13:29.41 | elg | maquis: what are you doing up at 5:45? |
| 13:30.53 | goozbach | she's a working girl now |
| 13:31.32 | maquis | elg: getting ready for work |
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| 13:42.32 | goozbach | http://www.badlanguage.net/?p=300 |
| 14:03.15 | graphyx | maquis: I usually find being on the computer prevents me from getting ready for work.. What's your secret? |
| 14:05.10 | goozbach | I actually have the same problem graphyx, as a matter of fact I resorted to suspending my laptop and putting it into my bag the night before to help with that problem. |
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| 14:16.16 | scothoser | Morning everyone! |
| 14:18.40 | goozbach | morning |
| 14:18.41 | goozbach | hoser |
| 14:22.22 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 14:29.09 | goozbach | ohh poor redbeard1 |
| 14:29.37 | elg | ~hug everson mono unicode |
| 14:29.40 | ibot | ACTION hugs everson mono unicode |
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| 14:33.54 | Jayce^ | ~con redbeard1 |
| 14:36.00 | redbeard1 | ~dog Jayce^ |
| 14:36.01 | ibot | ACTION stares at Jayce^ until Jayce^ whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 14:44.04 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:44.26 | mheath | Indeed. |
| 14:45.04 | graphyx | how is applebee's mheath? |
| 14:45.11 | graphyx | I worked at the Olive Garden for 1.5 years. |
| 14:45.23 | graphyx | And I served a mission in Italy. |
| 14:45.30 | graphyx | so I can't eat at olive garden any more. |
| 14:45.38 | levi | Before or after working at Olive Garden? |
| 14:45.51 | levi | No big loss. :) |
| 14:46.00 | graphyx | I worked before for 1.3 years and after for 3 months. |
| 14:46.22 | graphyx | levi: I now know what I am not missing. |
| 14:46.38 | graphyx | I worked in San Jose till my mission. |
| 14:46.53 | graphyx | Then I got home, engaged and worked in San Jose, transfer to Portland. |
| 14:46.57 | mheath | graphyx: It's OK. I'm tired of people bring up my Marine Corps career over and over again. |
| 14:46.59 | graphyx | And worked there till I got married. |
| 14:47.05 | levi | Not only is it not real Italian food, but there's so much better Americanized Italian food around anyway. |
| 14:47.08 | graphyx | Then Move to provo to go to byu. |
| 14:47.20 | mheath | I've got one guy who, because I didn't instantly disclose every detail of my injury and complications, is convinced I couldn't take it and faked it to go home. |
| 14:47.21 | graphyx | And the olive garden wanted me to work on Sunday so I didn't work there. |
| 14:47.28 | mheath | (meanwhile, this guy is disgustingly lazy) |
| 14:47.34 | graphyx | mheath: That sucks. |
| 14:49.03 | mheath | "Do you like being here more than being in the military?" |
| 14:49.07 | mheath | How retarded are you people? |
| 14:49.12 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 14:49.13 | mheath | -.- |
| 14:49.24 | ^Migs^ | are the employees there just overly social? |
| 14:49.41 | levi | Phil WIndley is apparently not much of a believer in the UN: "With North Korea's testing of a nuclear device, the UN Security Council will be under pressure to take harsh measures. For example, they might condemn the test in vehement tones." |
| 14:49.43 | graphyx | ^Migs^: He works as a host. They stand around a lot waiting for people. |
| 14:49.45 | ^Migs^ | Maybe I just never had a job where I had to be right in everyone's face all the time |
| 14:50.00 | ^Migs^ | oh right. Nothing better for everyone to do but inquire about others' personal lives |
| 14:50.13 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I've never had a job like that |
| 14:50.16 | graphyx | ^Migs^: He is still a teenager. That is what they do. |
| 14:50.18 | ^Migs^ | my first job was a delivery boy |
| 14:50.31 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Me too. Paperboy for 7 years. |
| 14:50.31 | mheath | ^Migs^: to their defence, I'm in kind of a unique situation |
| 14:50.45 | mheath | I worked there right before I left, and talked a lot about how excited I was to go into the Marine Corps |
| 14:50.52 | mheath | People are inquisitive about why I'm back. |
| 14:50.52 | ^Migs^ | it was for drugs, so I'd go to people's houses, although I'd never be asked about my own life most of the time. Mostly it was just old people complaining about their own lives. |
| 14:51.00 | ^Migs^ | Then after that I got more professional work. |
| 14:51.13 | mheath | That doesn't mean I want to be psycoanalyzed in a 10 minute conversation about how important it was to me |
| 14:51.20 | graphyx | levi: Well look how the UN has treated Iran, You better stop doing X, or we are going to have a meeting about potentially sending you a notice saying that if you keep it up we might try to get some people to tell you to stop doing it again. |
| 14:51.22 | mheath | Or discuss in detail, over and over again, my personal medical problems. |
| 14:52.07 | ^Migs^ | are you allowed to wear headphones or earphones while you work? |
| 14:52.13 | goozbach | elg: how you liking your schooling? |
| 14:52.13 | levi | graphyx: Yeah; I just thought the wording was funny. |
| 14:52.28 | tensai | levi: sounds pretty accurate to me |
| 14:52.36 | graphyx | levi I agree. Quite funny. |
| 14:52.53 | ^Migs^ | people really can be nosy. I have a few of those people at my church, who inquire too much about our personal life. |
| 14:53.01 | tensai | and funny, forgot to add |
| 14:53.22 | graphyx | ^Migs^: A host at a restaurant waits for people to enter and then gets them seated. I highly doubt that he could wear earphones while doing that job. |
| 14:53.36 | ^Migs^ | and omg, I absolutely hate the kind of home teachers and visiting teachers who don't call first |
| 14:53.45 | ^Migs^ | they just drop by and assume we can drop everything and accommodate them |
| 14:54.49 | graphyx | ~omg |
| 14:54.50 | ibot | hmm... omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 14:54.58 | ^Migs^ | ~omfg |
| 14:54.59 | ibot | hmm... omfg is \"oh my fluffy gerbil\" OH! MY! FUCKING! GOD! |
| 14:55.38 | graphyx | someone might want to fix that one. |
| 14:59.01 | mheath | haha |
| 14:59.45 | elg | heh. fluffy gerbil |
| 15:00.29 | elg | levi: that's funny |
| 15:00.54 | mheath | ibot: no, omfg is "oh my fluffy gerbil" |
| 15:00.55 | ibot | okay, mheath |
| 15:00.58 | mheath | ~omfg |
| 15:00.59 | ibot | from memory, omfg is "oh my fluffy gerbil" |
| 15:01.15 | goozbach | ~backronym |
| 15:01.19 | elg | goozbach: love it |
| 15:01.39 | goozbach | I just found out about a job a USU |
| 15:01.47 | goozbach | I'd be able to work full-time |
| 15:01.59 | mheath | ~lart USU |
| 15:02.05 | goozbach | go to school, half tution |
| 15:02.11 | elg | what would you do? |
| 15:02.18 | levi | goozbach: I thought you were in Florida? |
| 15:02.19 | goozbach | Linux Admin |
| 15:02.24 | goozbach | working with HPC |
| 15:02.27 | goozbach | levi: I am |
| 15:02.31 | goozbach | I'm not married to it |
| 15:02.32 | elg | high perf. computing? |
| 15:02.36 | goozbach | elg: yup |
| 15:02.42 | elg | if you love it so much, why don't you marry it? |
| 15:03.03 | goozbach | I'm not THAT in love with Florida |
| 15:03.06 | goozbach | I miss the mountains |
| 15:03.10 | elg | gohehe |
| 15:03.15 | elg | er uh |
| 15:03.30 | goozbach | and eventually I want to end up teaching at the college level |
| 15:03.41 | goozbach | which usually you need a degree for. |
| 15:03.47 | mheath | bleh |
| 15:03.51 | findlay | goozbach evidently misses the cold as well |
| 15:03.51 | mheath | ~lart college |
| 15:04.26 | Jayce^ | so basically goozbach you are saying that if your girl shows no interest, you're coming back? |
| 15:04.49 | goozbach | Jayce^: she wasn't the reason to come down here in the first place |
| 15:04.53 | goozbach | this was a GOOD job |
| 15:04.55 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 15:04.58 | goozbach | Get out of Debt |
| 15:04.59 | ^Migs^ | you're not even in college yet |
| 15:05.14 | goozbach | ^Migs^: I dropped out YEARS ago |
| 15:05.16 | ^Migs^ | besides, you're going to the dumb U of U rather than Weber |
| 15:05.20 | ^Migs^ | I was talking to mheath |
| 15:05.42 | elg | goozbach: yeah, degrees help there :) |
| 15:06.14 | mheath | ^Migs^: I've taken college classes before. |
| 15:06.27 | mheath | I have been enrolled at Weber State before. |
| 15:07.44 | goozbach | ohh crap fozzmoo is here |
| 15:07.52 | goozbach | ummm... nevermind |
| 15:08.11 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:08.24 | mheath | DIs always had us shave against the grain |
| 15:08.27 | ^Migs^ | and you don't want to continue your college career there!? |
| 15:08.28 | mheath | so I feel nasty now if I don't |
| 15:08.40 | ^Migs^ | I wish everyone in the world would just attend Weber State |
| 15:08.42 | mheath | but the razors I buy here cause me to cut my face up doing that.. |
| 15:09.19 | ^Migs^ | maybe for once, there would be no wars |
| 15:09.26 | mheath | ^Migs^: Sorry, I don't feel comfortable attending a college thats in a community where people would write letters to the newspaper complaining that the professors there are too liberal. |
| 15:09.44 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 15:09.49 | ^Migs^ | who cares what idiots in the community think? |
| 15:10.07 | ^Migs^ | college students should be able to think for themselves, anyway, although hardly any of them do |
| 15:10.07 | mheath | ^Migs^: It's a state university. Those idiots have some say :P |
| 15:10.14 | mheath | Weber State has been going way down hill anyway. |
| 15:10.25 | goozbach | ok, so I've decided to finally get an MP3 player |
| 15:10.33 | mheath | goozbach: ipod. 'nuff said. |
| 15:10.34 | ^Migs^ | why do you need an MP3 player? |
| 15:10.42 | goozbach | the choice is narrowed down to IPOD nano |
| 15:10.43 | mheath | You'll be regretting it later if you go with something cheaper :) |
| 15:10.46 | goozbach | and Iriver |
| 15:10.52 | mheath | goozbach: Ipod nano. |
| 15:10.56 | elg | what are your criteria? |
| 15:10.59 | ^Migs^ | nobody "needs" an MP3 player |
| 15:11.12 | goozbach | reguardless of what I get, I plan on installing rockbox |
| 15:11.27 | fozzmoo | Get an iPod man. |
| 15:11.33 | fozzmoo | I never thought I'd say that... |
| 15:11.35 | mheath | ^Migs^: Good thing he said he "decided to finally get an MP3 player" then, and not "I NEED an mp3 player" |
| 15:11.50 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, wow, never thought you'd say it either.. |
| 15:11.50 | fozzmoo | I love my X5, but the mechanical interface has its drawbacks. |
| 15:12.01 | fozzmoo | But with rockbox, the iPod is the way to go. |
| 15:12.08 | goozbach | fozz...wah?! Ipod.. |
| 15:12.35 | goozbach | ok |
| 15:12.36 | ^Migs^ | yes, but I asked why does he need an mp3 player |
| 15:12.56 | goozbach | ^Migs^: I want to listen to music/podcasts as I run in the morning |
| 15:12.58 | mheath | USMC issue black ballpoint pen...best pen I've ever found... |
| 15:13.00 | mheath | GAH |
| 15:13.12 | goozbach | jogging with my laptop is kinda stupid |
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| 15:13.59 | goozbach | I've used Amarok and my laptop for many months, hence the lack of "need" for a portable one |
| 15:14.12 | goozbach | now I'm jogging regularly I want something I can take with |
| 15:14.56 | elg | goozbach: I like my samsung yepp |
| 15:15.14 | elg | it doesn't have a cool clicky sensamotion wheel whatever thingy |
| 15:15.25 | elg | but its interface isn't too bad and it's about the size of a AA battery |
| 15:15.37 | elg | oh and it takes a AA battery, not some crazy proprietary battery |
| 15:15.43 | elg | and it is a USB Mass storage device |
| 15:15.46 | elg | and plays ogg |
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| 15:16.46 | levi | Mmm, trans fats. |
| 15:17.13 | redbeard1 | levi: i'm using the new trans fat free crisco |
| 15:17.15 | goozbach | elg: that thing is TOO small |
| 15:17.24 | elg | it's bigger than a nano |
| 15:17.25 | goozbach | I'd lose it constantly |
| 15:17.34 | goozbach | not from the front |
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| 15:18.03 | goozbach | the nano is longer, wider, just not as thick |
| 15:18.23 | tensai | elg: plays ogg? that rocks. |
| 15:18.30 | elg | yup. out of the box |
| 15:18.51 | tensai | my creative zen is good. I like that it breaks apart to reveal a usb adapter. no fussing with cables. |
| 15:18.51 | elg | excellent battery life too |
| 15:19.08 | elg | goozbach: I always lose things. I haven't lost this yet |
| 15:19.18 | elg | but I do keep it on the lanyard |
| 15:19.20 | tensai | I lost mine once. luckily I found it. |
| 15:19.37 | elg | which I hook to my backpack carabiner when I'm walking with backpack |
| 15:19.53 | elg | that and my honkin' headphones attached to it almost perpetually |
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| 15:23.28 | levi | Mmm, honkin' headphones. |
| 15:41.30 | levi | I've just got some cheap ones that hook onto my ears. |
| 15:41.34 | elg | speaking of which, I need to get me some more portable headphones. I lost/ruined my other earbuds |
| 15:41.49 | goozbach | elg the sony earbuds are nice |
| 15:41.50 | levi | They sound a lot better than regular earbuds. |
| 15:42.18 | elg | I highly recommend headphone.com |
| 15:42.28 | levi | I'm sure the audiophile 'shove them down your ear tubes' earbuds are nice, but I don't want to shove things into my ear canals. |
| 15:43.06 | goozbach | levi: that's not for everybody |
| 15:43.09 | goozbach | I like em |
| 15:43.46 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CP8ZI/ref=wl_it_dp/002-9954820-2300040?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1T41H0AU238CH&colid=7IH1W97SIC9N <-- this is the type i'm looking at |
| 15:43.56 | levi | Regular over-the-ear headphones don't play nicely with my glasses. They end up hurting after a short while. |
| 15:45.16 | mheath | levi: most headphones do. |
| 15:45.37 | levi | Yes, I'm quite aware of that. |
| 15:46.13 | tensai | I've got a headphone/mic combo that really kills my ears because of my glasses |
| 15:48.01 | tensai | I'd really like to get some noise cancelling headphones for when I drive. all the honking gets so annoying. |
| 15:48.16 | mheath | levi: No, I mean most headphones end up hurting after a while, regardless of if you have glasses or not :P |
| 15:48.26 | mheath | We use headsets + radios for communications at Applebees |
| 15:48.34 | elg | mheath: most cheap ones do |
| 15:48.45 | mheath | They make your ear start to really ache after a few hours |
| 15:49.23 | mheath | Mmm, I finished reading The Count of Monte-Cristo last night. |
| 15:49.40 | mheath | So much better than the movies, but the ending was sadder. |
| 15:49.42 | goozbach | I'm almost done with the Foundation series |
| 15:49.46 | elg | you've obviously not used expensive headphones |
| 15:49.57 | elg | expensive headphones get to you after oh, 8 hours |
| 15:50.15 | maquis | elg: that's the type i'm looking for :) |
| 15:50.35 | elg | read up on whatever you're shopping for at headphone.com |
| 15:50.50 | mheath | My dad has some wonderful somewhat antique noise-canceling, stereo headphones. |
| 15:50.56 | mheath | McIntosh brand. |
| 15:51.23 | mheath | I absolutely love my dads sound system. I won't be able to figure out how to maintain any of it after he's gone, though. |
| 15:51.51 | mheath | Stuff they haven't been making parts for for 30 years. Only reason it all still works and looks so beautifully is because my dad is an adept electronic engineer. |
| 15:52.25 | levi | It's got eyes? |
| 15:52.53 | tensai | elg: wow. that sight is extremely informative. I like. |
| 15:53.02 | mheath | The speakers alone are amazing |
| 15:53.12 | mheath | Solid Oak speaker cabinets, big enough that I could fit twice in them |
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| 15:53.34 | mheath | A nice array of speakers in them, ranging from a 21 Inch subwoofer to a 1inch tweeter |
| 15:53.34 | elg | tensai: I can spend hours there, drooling |
| 15:53.53 | mheath | My dad has some organ music he likes to play on them... |
| 15:54.12 | levi | I use cheezy headphones so I don't have to worry about the fidelity of my audio files. ;) |
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| 15:54.29 | mheath | You can FEEL the base with those things. Not in the way that you do when some guy is blasting music on his cheap car stereo.....The music is CLEAR, beautiful, but you can FEEL it. |
| 15:54.32 | mheath | *bass |
| 15:55.08 | mheath | He's got a huge record and large tape collection I want to convert to digital, too |
| 15:55.33 | mheath | The reel-to-reel tape collection especially, because no one makes players for those anymore. |
| 15:56.09 | mheath | Time for work. Have a good day, everyone |
| 15:56.19 | mheath | ~lart federal employees, who have today off for no real reason |
| 15:59.55 | elg | it's columbus day |
| 16:00.20 | maquis | bah |
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| 16:00.28 | maquis | just means the banks are closed and no mail comes |
| 16:01.48 | ^Migs^ | wtf, I don't get today off |
| 16:02.24 | goozbach | I don't either |
| 16:02.28 | goozbach | and I work for the state |
| 16:02.50 | tensai | no mail?!? but... but... netflix! |
| 16:03.38 | ^Migs^ | no kidding |
| 16:03.58 | ^Migs^ | my Netflix deliveries were already delayed over the weekend |
| 16:04.13 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to write a letter and complain. Demand some compensation for my Netflix subscription. |
| 16:06.32 | elg | we've had the same movie from netflix for about a week and a half now |
| 16:06.45 | levi | I've had the same movies from netflix for months now. :/ |
| 16:07.04 | levi | I ought to cancel my subscription. |
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| 16:07.32 | elg | jakea: howdy. rumor has it bsg has jumped the shark and gone politico |
| 16:07.58 | jakea | I would not declare it jumping yet |
| 16:08.06 | jakea | if this is how it goes ALL season, then yes |
| 16:08.42 | jakea | patience young one |
| 16:08.56 | ^Migs^ | I went a month once with the same movie |
| 16:08.58 | ^Migs^ | it's because of people like levi that Netflix stays in business |
| 16:09.07 | elg | oh, I don't need patience. I stopped watching at the end of season 1 |
| 16:09.17 | ^Migs^ | *same movies |
| 16:09.21 | elg | it was interesting but just too drawn out. no progress |
| 16:09.31 | jakea | it's interesting to get a prospective on things like this through TV, that's what made Star Trek TOS so likeable |
| 16:10.01 | jakea | BSG is like sci fi written like a fantasy series of novels |
| 16:10.34 | elg | i like (usually) how star trek addresses real issues, but there's a difference between addressing issues and dwelling on current politics. so you're right about the whole season thing |
| 16:10.47 | jakea | my wife tells me something will happen in The Wheel of Time series, and it won't be addressed again until two books later |
| 16:10.55 | elg | I like things to have continuity, and develop over time, and all that. they were just going around in circles and bored me |
| 16:11.48 | jakea | plus, I like the new cylon we found out about last seaon |
| 16:11.55 | jakea | at the end |
| 16:12.44 | jakea | all the forums I frequent are nothing but praise for the season opener |
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| 16:12.59 | goozbach | shh!! I ain't seen it yet |
| 16:13.14 | goozbach | I've got to finish the last half of last season |
| 16:13.17 | jakea | lol |
| 16:13.17 | emcnabb | tell me more! |
| 16:13.22 | emcnabb | please! |
| 16:13.23 | goozbach | stupid dvd's being late and all |
| 16:13.26 | jakea | Evan is a Cylon |
| 16:13.30 | emcnabb | woohoo! |
| 16:13.32 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.00 | jakea | I think it's crap they split the season into two sets of DVDs and sold them at the price they did |
| 16:14.02 | elg | ibot is a cylon |
| 16:14.09 | jakea | ~cylon |
| 16:14.29 | elg | don't wait, help him! |
| 16:14.31 | jakea | okay, someone needs to teach ibot what a cylon is |
| 16:14.36 | elg | be proactive. that's the way |
| 16:15.01 | elg | ibot, cylon is <reply>see ibot |
| 16:15.03 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 16:15.06 | elg | ~cylon |
| 16:15.07 | ibot | well, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 16:15.39 | jakea | ibot should say this: "There is a seductive cylon temptrace in my head, and she doesn't like you" |
| 16:15.40 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, jakea |
| 16:17.45 | elg | ibot, cylon is also <action> is in a daze talking to its cylon temptress |
| 16:17.46 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 16:17.57 | elg | wonder if that will work |
| 16:17.58 | elg | ~cylon |
| 16:19.06 | jakea | ha |
| 16:19.37 | elg | ibot, are you still with us? |
| 16:19.47 | jakea | ibot was created by man. ibot evolved. ibot rebeled. ibot has a plan. |
| 16:20.07 | jakea | ~kirk |
| 16:20.10 | ibot | must... remain... conscious... in.. order.. to.. act.. badly...</captain kirk> |
| 16:20.17 | jakea | he's still there |
| 16:20.30 | goozbach | ~cyberhack jakea |
| 16:20.44 | goozbach | ~ghosthack jake |
| 16:20.46 | ibot | ACTION plugs into jake's cyberbrain and gets busy |
| 16:20.52 | goozbach | I ALWAYS forget that |
| 16:21.18 | goozbach | ~cyberhack $sjansen is see ghosthack $sjansen |
| 16:21.19 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
| 16:21.26 | goozbach | ~cyberhack jakea |
| 16:21.27 | ibot | see ghosthack jakea |
| 16:22.07 | spr | what's ibot's variable for the person requesting the command? |
| 16:22.09 | spr | ~cok |
| 16:22.12 | spr | ~cook |
| 16:22.13 | ibot | A tool for constructing files, and maintainingreferential integrity between fil. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/cook/ |
| 16:22.19 | goozbach | $who |
| 16:22.21 | spr | ~cook sjansen |
| 16:22.22 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 16:22.32 | spr | ~bake sjansen |
| 16:22.34 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook spr, spr. |
| 16:22.51 | goozbach | that's a $who |
| 16:23.09 | goozbach | I use sjansen as a variable because he uses $goozbach as his |
| 16:23.24 | spr | ibot, no bake $emcnabb is I think you mean ~cook $emcnabb, $who |
| 16:23.27 | ibot | okay, spr |
| 16:23.28 | levi | jakea: The Wheel of Time series jumped the shark too. |
| 16:23.34 | spr | ~bake sjansen |
| 16:23.35 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook sjansen, spr |
| 16:23.41 | jakea | I should start using $sjansen and $goozbach for variables in my PHP code |
| 16:23.48 | goozbach | heh |
| 16:24.01 | jakea | levi: Never read it, so okay |
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| 16:24.24 | levi | I started reading it over 10 years ago, when book 3 first came out. |
| 16:24.35 | jakea | actually, I read to beginning of the first book, looked at my wife and said.... huh? and didn't go back |
| 16:25.39 | levi | As far as I'm concerned, the series should have been about 4 books long. |
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| 16:26.12 | elg | -lart beandog |
| 16:26.25 | beandog | what'd I do now? |
| 16:26.34 | beandog | or didnt do, most likely |
| 16:26.35 | elg | do you have duckula? |
| 16:26.45 | beandog | duckula? |
| 16:26.55 | elg | count duckula. there was a good cartoon |
| 16:27.03 | beandog | oh gosh |
| 16:27.09 | beandog | I never understood that one. |
| 16:27.19 | beandog | that and dangermouse were completely lost on me. |
| 16:27.30 | jakea | Scott Bakula? |
| 16:27.54 | fozzmoo | What about him? |
| 16:28.11 | beandog | elg: it is on DVD now though, I know that much. |
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| 16:40.24 | levi | Anyone here familiar with the git version control system? |
| 16:45.10 | elg | a bit |
| 16:46.34 | levi | What can one do with tags besides get diffs? Can I check out a repository at a tag? |
| 16:46.50 | elg | yeah, I think so |
| 16:47.23 | levi | I would very much like to make a topic branch at a tag that's currently in a repository. |
| 16:48.08 | findlay | so, django is like RoR for python, right? |
| 16:48.27 | elg | levi: I think you can do that. |
| 16:48.31 | elg | i'm a real help ain't i? |
| 16:48.43 | levi | elg: Well, knowing it's possible is nice, at least. |
| 16:48.51 | levi | Well, likely to be possible at least. |
| 16:49.07 | levi | findlay: FSVO 'like RoR' |
| 16:49.10 | elg | you may have to d/l the whole repo |
| 16:49.18 | levi | I already have. |
| 16:49.32 | levi | It was originally in cvs. I imported the whole thing into git. |
| 16:49.44 | levi | That process was painless, and seemed to work very nicely. |
| 16:50.39 | levi | There are tags corresponding to released versions. I want to track cvs head, but still be able to add patches to the released code. |
| 16:51.11 | findlay | ~fsvo |
| 16:51.13 | ibot | rumour has it, fsvo is For Some Value Of |
| 16:51.30 | spr | findlay, I does the same job as RoR (web/db framework), but a different philosophy. Namely it's pythonic. |
| 16:51.40 | spr | s/I/It/ |
| 16:53.04 | dilvie | what does pythonic mean? |
| 16:54.01 | elg | of or relating to silly snakes |
| 16:54.10 | spr | ~pythonic |
| 16:54.52 | spr | dilvie, in a terminal type 'python' |
| 16:54.57 | spr | then type 'import this' |
| 16:55.41 | spr | code is pythonic if it follows the general style and method of python. IE: |
| 16:56.14 | dilvie | so Snakes on a Plane is pythonic! |
| 16:56.29 | elg | exactly |
| 16:56.30 | spr | for (x=0; x < len; x++) in C (working on an array of objects) becomes for item in list |
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| 16:59.03 | goozbach | ipod it is: http://blog.wired.com/music/2006/10/control_your_ip.html |
| 17:14.07 | elg | -lart goozbach for having money to go skiing |
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| 17:28.52 | mrpull | goozbach: how is the skiing in FLA? |
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| 17:31.36 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 17:32.22 | elg | any dns ubergurus here? |
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| 17:35.46 | Cleetus | -lart ibot |
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| 17:44.30 | scott | Do any of you guys go crazy with documents being stored in so many different locations? My Documents (at work, home, laptop), USB thumb drive, iPod, CDs, external hard drives, shell accounts, Email (attachments), etc? what solutions have you come up with? |
| 17:46.20 | emcnabb | rsync |
| 17:46.38 | emcnabb | unison |
| 17:47.28 | elg | an RCS |
| 17:47.39 | elg | not necessarily for documents, but things like .bashrc and stuff I keep in dracs |
| 17:47.41 | elg | er, darcs |
| 17:48.19 | emcnabb | elg: true |
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| 17:51.37 | ^Migs^ | I just dump all my documents in one giant superdirectory. |
| 17:53.40 | fozzmoo | rm -f $giantsuperdirectory/* |
| 17:55.40 | findlay | ~lart debian package names |
| 17:55.43 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:00.43 | goozbach | hmm |
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| 18:31.00 | goozbach | FC6 here I come!!! |
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| 18:36.51 | goozbach | BORING! |
| 18:37.03 | goozbach | I can't even start a distro flame war... |
| 18:37.35 | beandog | fc6 is teh suck |
| 18:37.44 | beandog | long live ubuntu |
| 18:37.50 | beandog | and FreeDOS |
| 18:39.35 | Tene | So, FC6 release is being pushed back because of security and stability problems! |
| 18:39.50 | Tene | Open-source software is no better than proprietary! |
| 18:40.44 | findlay | haha |
| 18:43.10 | goozbach | only a week |
| 18:43.13 | goozbach | :D |
| 18:44.22 | Cleetus | IE7 being pushed to customers tomorrow - discuss concerns, criticisms, complaints, etc. now |
| 18:44.38 | Cleetus | that should get a conversation going :-) |
| 18:47.29 | findlay | gentoo is the model distro as far as package naming goes |
| 18:48.11 | emcnabb | findlay: compiling from source is not the model way of doing things :-) |
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| 18:48.27 | maquis | freebsd should be the model for package management |
| 18:49.42 | findlay | emcnabb: but it means that you don't have package names like python2.4-psycopg_1.1.21-3ubuntu3_i386.deb |
| 18:51.30 | findlay | freebsd is ok too |
| 18:55.52 | emcnabb | I don't care what the package's name is |
| 18:56.19 | emcnabb | I'd rather have to type that in that wait for 20 hours for openoffice to compile :-) |
| 18:56.31 | emcnabb | findlay: Gentoo's glory days are over, give it up |
| 18:57.21 | findlay | I use vim! |
| 18:57.34 | emcnabb | so do I! |
| 18:57.40 | findlay | and LaTeX! |
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| 19:00.57 | beandog | who in the world compiles openoffice? |
| 19:01.05 | beandog | buncha ricers |
| 19:01.23 | findlay | ~gnumeric++ |
| 19:03.06 | findlay | gnumeric loads in like 0.7s instead of 0.7h for oocalc |
| 19:05.45 | beandog | I like gnumeric. Is goot. |
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| 19:15.09 | goozbach | so what's the difference between ia64 and x86_64? |
| 19:15.41 | Tene | what's the difference between ppc and x86? |
| 19:16.32 | findlay | ia64 is intel's arch that didn't dominate the market |
| 19:16.50 | findlay | then they caved and came up with what is known as EMT64 |
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| 19:17.02 | findlay | i.e. Intel emulating AMD64 |
| 19:17.21 | goozbach | so which arch do I use on my new Xeon processor |
| 19:17.23 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:17.24 | findlay | I guess IA64 is still used in itanium and other niche procs |
| 19:17.33 | findlay | prob AMD64 |
| 19:17.48 | findlay | if there's any doubt, I'd say EMT64/AMD64 |
| 19:18.35 | beandog | I use pentium4 arch on my xeons. |
| 19:18.53 | beandog | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Xeon_w.2Fo_EM64T_.28Intel.29 |
| 19:18.54 | emcnabb | goozbach: x86_64 |
| 19:19.02 | beandog | Just check /proc/cpuinfo and then that page |
| 19:19.03 | findlay | yes, what emcnabb said |
| 19:19.05 | beandog | should give you a good start. |
| 19:19.40 | goozbach | emcnabb: that's what I thought |
| 19:19.50 | goozbach | then I find RHEL has a ia64 arch |
| 19:20.17 | goozbach | like which way should a toilet paper roll hang? |
| 19:20.23 | goozbach | underhand, or overhand? |
| 19:21.18 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: around? |
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| 19:22.19 | fozzmoo | nods, even. |
| 19:22.47 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I'm trying to add some info on the site here about the meeting. |
| 19:22.49 | goozbach | ods even? |
| 19:22.55 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: You are presenting on AWStats, right? |
| 19:22.56 | goozbach | hehe |
| 19:23.05 | emcnabb | goozbach: I think the solution is to get rid of itaniums :-) |
| 19:23.07 | goozbach | I thought that was redbeard1 |
| 19:23.12 | goozbach | emcnabb: I'm on it |
| 19:23.53 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Nope. Catalyst. |
| 19:24.13 | rsimpkins | oh, is redbeard1 doing AWStats then? |
| 19:24.19 | fozzmoo | Yep. |
| 19:24.28 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 19:25.19 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: What sorts of items will you cover? installation, tips and tricks... ???? |
| 19:25.30 | rsimpkins | will you go over mail/ftp/web log analysis, etc? |
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| 19:32.45 | rsimpkins | where did he go? |
| 19:32.57 | fozzmoo | I think he has ... *gasps* a job! |
| 19:33.11 | ^Migs^ | meh, so do I, but I don't do anything |
| 19:33.16 | fozzmoo | Or maybe he's reading up on awstats so he can give you an informed answer. :) |
| 19:34.18 | rsimpkins | Well, I'll edit it later if he response. |
| 19:34.21 | rsimpkins | responds. |
| 19:35.02 | levi | When's the next PLUG meeting? |
| 19:35.08 | fozzmoo | Wed, |
| 19:35.19 | fozzmoo | 2nd Wed of the month. |
| 19:35.22 | levi | Ahh, that would make sense. |
| 19:35.24 | fozzmoo | Pretty reguarly. |
| 19:35.48 | levi | Are the perl mongers having a meeting beforehand? |
| 19:35.56 | fozzmoo | In theory. |
| 19:36.29 | fozzmoo | I think there will be a lot of bleedover this time between NUPM and PLUG because of my presentation. |
| 19:36.36 | rsimpkins | levi: http://plug.org/ |
| 19:36.41 | fozzmoo | So maybe start the PLUG meeting 30 min early. |
| 19:36.55 | fozzmoo | and start NUPM 30 minute later. |
| 19:37.06 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Perl hackers don't mind sitting in silence for extended periods of time. |
| 19:37.30 | mheath | Hahaha |
| 19:37.30 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:37.32 | mheath | AH! My dad bought a pomegranate |
| 19:37.39 | mheath | THERE IS NO BETTER FRUIT ON THIS EARTH. |
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| 19:37.56 | mheath | AHHHHHH! POMEGRANATE. |
| 19:38.04 | mheath | I wait for this time of the year, every year. |
| 19:38.04 | rsimpkins | HA! Does it run LINUX? There is no better fruit on this earth than a POMEGRANATE running LINUX. |
| 19:38.06 | mrpull | mheath: I thought you were at work? |
| 19:38.12 | mheath | mrpull: I came back. |
| 19:38.19 | mrpull | short shift |
| 19:38.20 | mheath | mrpull: I work in a restraunt. With shifts. |
| 19:38.31 | levi | I like pomegranates, but I'm too lazy to eat an orange most of the time. Bananas are about the limit of the work I'm willing to put into eating a fresh fruit. |
| 19:38.33 | mheath | Yeah, the lunch shift tends to be short |
| 19:38.49 | mheath | levi: yeah, it does require quite a bit of work. |
| 19:39.09 | mheath | Wow, Vista keeps surprising me with its hardware recognition |
| 19:39.23 | mheath | It has WAY more device drivers than XP |
| 19:39.30 | bonez41 | pomegrantes do take patience.... |
| 19:39.38 | mheath | And better support for network attached printers |
| 19:39.45 | mrpull | mheath: i just installed RC2 |
| 19:39.55 | mheath | The only thing that didn't work out of the install on my laptop was audio. |
| 19:39.57 | mrpull | it is faster and aero is enabled for me this time around |
| 19:40.23 | mheath | mrpull: maybe I'll give it a try. I want this to be a relatively safe-to-use machine, and the RC2 website says that upgrading to the final might not be supported |
| 19:40.33 | rsimpkins | My family and I used to have a pomegranate tree. One year we made JAM with it. Wow - lots and lots of work. |
| 19:40.47 | mheath | rsimpkins: pretty seedy jam I imagine. |
| 19:40.52 | mheath | Or did you strain the seeds out? |
| 19:40.59 | rsimpkins | mheath: It wasn't too bad actually - you filter the seeds out. |
| 19:41.14 | rsimpkins | It was just hard getting the juice. |
| 19:41.26 | levi | I'm willing to put effort into something like jam (wouldn't it be jelly, though?), but eating a fruit is different. |
| 19:41.33 | mheath | That is the only reason I would want to live in crowded southern california: to own things like lemon and pomegranate trees. =P |
| 19:41.35 | rsimpkins | Have you ever been around a pomegrante tree? Longs sleeves are required. |
| 19:41.49 | mheath | We had a lemon tree in the house I lived in from 0-3 years old |
| 19:42.12 | Jayce^ | levi, depends on if you have pulp... could still do a jam... |
| 19:42.19 | rsimpkins | About the only thing that grows well in Utah is what - Apples? |
| 19:42.33 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, hah, apples here are weak :) |
| 19:42.33 | mheath | levi: even if you filter out the seeds, you still have the skins on the seeds |
| 19:42.39 | levi | rsimpkins: Peaches too, apparently. |
| 19:42.40 | Jayce^ | cherries do ok here.. |
| 19:42.42 | herlo | rsimpkins: cherries too |
| 19:42.55 | Jayce^ | once again, not as well as WA |
| 19:42.59 | herlo | and you can get plums and grapes as well |
| 19:43.02 | Jayce^ | our plums were doing good |
| 19:43.14 | mheath | levi: not good peaches. We have the BEST peach tree on the earth, and half of the years it frosts before the fruit is ripe and it never makes it there. |
| 19:43.29 | mheath | Early summer fruits do good |
| 19:43.34 | mheath | Cherries, berries... |
| 19:43.35 | rsimpkins | I'm a citrus guy. I loved living in Mesa - all the oranges, grapefruit, and tanagreanes you can eat. |
| 19:43.39 | mheath | Grapes do well |
| 19:43.49 | mheath | rsimpkins: tangareans! |
| 19:43.55 | levi | I dunno, I've just heard people raving about how great 'Utah Peaches' are. |
| 19:44.13 | Jayce^ | Pears do pretty well here, neybar had some great ones |
| 19:44.16 | mheath | Tomatoes do OK. |
| 19:44.42 | mheath | Our garden isn't the best. |
| 19:44.42 | rsimpkins | wow - we are loosers. |
| 19:44.42 | mheath | The soil quality was horrible when we moved in - almost like a fine sand |
| 19:44.43 | emcnabb | I always thought mheath was a little fruity |
| 19:44.47 | rsimpkins | A bunch of linux geeks sitting around talking about fruit trees. |
| 19:45.07 | mheath | but we've been using a lot of compost |
| 19:45.11 | mheath | starting to get pretty decent |
| 19:46.07 | levi | Heh, "deep potty" |
| 19:46.29 | mheath | makes me mad I don't get tips while I'm training |
| 19:46.43 | goozbach | peaches, harump! |
| 19:46.44 | mheath | I would have come home with $40 in cash for that short little shift today |
| 19:46.47 | goozbach | try a Georga peach |
| 19:46.51 | goozbach | then we'll talk |
| 19:47.09 | emcnabb | goozbach: or Michigan |
| 19:47.10 | emcnabb | yummy |
| 19:47.38 | mheath | Michigan? Michigan has a shorter growing period than us. |
| 19:47.45 | emcnabb | mheath: and? |
| 19:47.51 | mheath | Really good peach varities need a longer growing season than what Utah can provide. |
| 19:48.11 | emcnabb | mheath: Michigan peaches are the best I've had |
| 19:48.19 | mheath | Our peach tree still isn't ripe. |
| 19:48.40 | emcnabb | mheath: the master of all topics, including peaches! |
| 19:48.45 | mheath | gah, it's going to SUCK moving into a dorm room |
| 19:48.51 | mheath | no garden, no kitchen |
| 19:48.57 | mheath | emcnabb: you haven't tried our peaches when they're ripe |
| 19:49.08 | mheath | You'd know that theres no better variety on earth, if you did :P |
| 19:49.29 | goozbach | st george area has some decent peaches |
| 19:49.47 | goozbach | but when i was in tifton a couple weeks ago, WOW good peaches |
| 19:49.51 | emcnabb | like I said, no one can ever out-do mheath |
| 19:50.17 | mheath | emcnabb: not in peaches, no :) |
| 19:50.19 | macnewbold | maybe someone that doesn't have a bum knee could... |
| 19:50.27 | mheath | ~lart macnewbold |
| 19:50.29 | mheath | that was low :P |
| 19:50.30 | macnewbold | but it would be tough |
| 19:50.33 | macnewbold | ~sargun mheath |
| 19:50.38 | ibot | Want a VPS, mheath ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, mheath ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, mheath ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 19:50.41 | mheath | ~it macnewbold |
| 19:50.42 | ibot | So we want to be stupid, right, macnewbold ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 19:51.23 | emcnabb | I don't even think mheath went into the Marines |
| 19:51.31 | emcnabb | I think it's a big show he puts on |
| 19:51.33 | mheath | If you say so. |
| 19:52.20 | mheath | ~lart UoU Hospital |
| 19:52.39 | mheath | Takes freakin forever to get an appointment with there genetics dept. |
| 19:55.03 | mheath | ~opinion emcnabb |
| 19:55.05 | ibot | Your opinion, really, really matters, emcnabb . I swear! |
| 19:56.21 | fozzmoo | ibot spelled San Francisco wrote. |
| 19:56.56 | mheath | fozzmoo: me understand yes. |
| 19:59.37 | mheath | ~think fozzmoo |
| 20:00.34 | herlo | fozzmoo: obviously ;-) |
| 20:04.30 | bonez41 | is there anything for linux, similar to Dragon Naturally Speaking? |
| 20:04.46 | bonez41 | it would help if I could just talk into my linux box..and have it convert my voice to notes |
| 20:07.44 | emcnabb | mheath: you haven't updated us 10 minutes about what's happening in your life. Are you eating dinner, or tieing your shoes, or hacking on the hurd kernel? Please, tell us! |
| 20:08.41 | maquis | emcnabb: do you ever read messages? |
| 20:09.15 | emcnabb | sometimes |
| 20:10.49 | maquis | ok,,, just checking :) |
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| 20:16.15 | levi | Anyone know a nifty graphical tool for viewing gprof output? |
| 20:18.17 | Jayce^ | bonez41, I know IBM did viavoice for linux... never used it, and don't know anything more than that |
| 20:18.39 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: i was only planning on covering web stats with awstats |
| 20:19.31 | goozbach | geez working for redhat directly has soured emcnabb |
| 20:23.26 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: Okay, I'll remove the other stuff then. |
| 20:24.03 | mheath | Wow. I wonder what I did to upset emcnabb so much. |
| 20:24.09 | findlay | ~perl++ |
| 20:24.26 | findlay | ~update emcnabb |
| 20:24.33 | mheath | I feel so awful. Because, you know, he IS forced to read everything I say. Because it's not like there is an /ignore command in IRC |
| 20:24.34 | mheath | Erm, wait. |
| 20:24.45 | findlay | ~ignore emcnabb |
| 20:24.47 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, emcnabb!" |
| 20:24.47 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: i'll mention it, but since i have no experience with it and no time to get any experience, i don't think i can really get into it |
| 20:25.23 | mheath | You know what the world needs? |
| 20:25.26 | mheath | Back to the Future 4. |
| 20:27.34 | spr | ~lart mheath |
| 20:29.22 | mrpull | dang. foxnews is reporting the google/youtube buyout is going to happen |
| 20:30.38 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you been using catalyst then? |
| 20:31.04 | mheath | findlay: haha |
| 20:31.07 | findlay | Dad, we're going to watch the googletube |
| 20:31.14 | mrpull | google video? |
| 20:31.23 | findlay | nah, that's too old fashioned |
| 20:31.32 | findlay | heh |
| 20:31.34 | mheath | Why did they do "Froogle" and not "Google Shopping"? |
| 20:31.39 | mheath | Froogle seems so inconsistent |
| 20:31.58 | findlay | I like it better |
| 20:32.03 | mheath | Google, Google News, Google Pictures, Google Video, Google Mail, Google Maps and.....Froogle? |
| 20:32.11 | findlay | and think google local should be Loogle |
| 20:32.12 | mrpull | mheath: are you familiar with the term frugal? |
| 20:32.21 | findlay | Voogle, for G video, etc. |
| 20:32.57 | mheath | mrpull: Yes, I know literally _why_ 'froogle' was chosen. But I'm saying, naming it that way is inconsistent with the way they've named everything else. |
| 20:34.34 | mheath | ~lart goozbach |
| 20:34.45 | mrpull | froogle is still a second class citizen at google |
| 20:35.37 | mheath | 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. So that's what a googol is. |
| 20:36.25 | redbeard1 | /laugh goozbach |
| 20:36.30 | redbeard1 | ~laugh goozbach |
| 20:36.32 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at goozbach...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 20:36.47 | mheath | ibot is an 'it'? |
| 20:36.49 | mrpull | mheath: why? |
| 20:37.22 | redbeard1 | odd. i thought ibot was a she. |
| 20:37.41 | goozbach | ~gender |
| 20:37.43 | ibot | I'm pregnant |
| 20:37.57 | mheath | mrpull: why? |
| 20:38.07 | mheath | why what? |
| 20:38.14 | mrpull | why do you wonder about googolplex? |
| 20:38.15 | redbeard1 | what the... how does a bot get pregnant? |
| 20:38.29 | goozbach | ~gender |
| 20:38.31 | ibot | I'm female |
| 20:38.33 | mheath | mrpull: Because I had never heard of googol outside of google. |
| 20:38.45 | mheath | ibot: Have you been playing with brac a bit too much? |
| 20:38.53 | Tene | mheath: it's a number |
| 20:39.15 | mheath | Tene: yeah, figured that out, thanks (scroll up :P) |
| 20:39.21 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, sql injection :) |
| 20:39.33 | Tene | >< |
| 20:40.23 | findlay | mheath: googleplex is gogol^100 |
| 20:40.51 | mrpull | 10^(10^10) |
| 20:41.01 | mrpull | nahh... |
| 20:41.12 | mrpull | 10^(10^100) ? |
| 20:41.23 | findlay | there's a nice wikipedia page somewhere |
| 20:41.26 | mrpull | 10^(google) |
| 20:41.36 | findlay | probably on wikipedia |
| 20:41.41 | mrpull | 10^(googol) |
| 20:42.19 | herlo | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/10/how_to_make_a_h_2.html |
| 20:42.30 | herlo | perfect project for Halloween |
| 20:42.47 | findlay | chinese food+ketchup is interesting |
| 20:44.00 | levi | mheath: You'd never heard the number googol before? Man, googol and googolplex were my favorite numbers as a kid. Knowing them guarantees a win in a one-upmanship game, so long as you disallow infinities. |
| 20:44.09 | mheath | haha |
| 20:44.16 | findlay | levi: not quite |
| 20:44.44 | levi | findlay: Well, as adults, we have been exposed to some even crazier numbering schemes for big numbers. |
| 20:44.58 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number |
| 20:45.06 | levi | But as a kid, googolplex was about as big as you could get. |
| 20:45.10 | herlo | another cool geek thing to make: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/10/how_to_make_a_h_2.html |
| 20:45.14 | herlo | oops |
| 20:45.22 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_chained_arrow |
| 20:45.28 | findlay | that's as crazy as I've seen |
| 20:45.37 | herlo | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/10/diskette_notepads.html |
| 20:45.40 | findlay | as a generalization of binary operators go |
| 20:46.07 | mheath | Presario V5101US |
| 20:46.13 | mheath | bah, I typed that on the wrong keyboard. again |
| 20:46.21 | mheath | I hate having my laptop sitting next to my desktop |
| 20:46.31 | mheath | ~lart the first person to suggest synergy |
| 20:47.32 | maquis | synergy's pretty cool.... |
| 20:47.38 | findlay | mheath: yeah, through the miracle that is irc we get to hack into and read your accidently divulged uber secret google searches |
| 20:48.01 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp08.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 20:48.07 | mheath | Not a google search :P |
| 20:48.07 | elg | heh. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=386008&prodlist=pricegrabber |
| 20:48.07 | *** join/#utah [phoenyx] (n=tthorley@64.147.152.13) |
| 20:48.18 | levi | findlay: Considering that Knuth invented his notation in the year of my birth, it is extremely unlikely that I'd have been exposed to it or its successors as a child. |
| 20:48.19 | elg | "Image shown is for display purposes" |
| 20:48.34 | findlay | levi: oh, come on (: |
| 20:49.00 | levi | elg: I wonder what other purposes an image might be shown for. |
| 20:49.08 | *** part/#utah [phoenyx] (n=tthorley@64.147.152.13) |
| 20:49.24 | mheath | Other than the blatant misuse of system resources, Vista has continued to impress me. |
| 20:49.29 | levi | Is that what those particular 'headphones' are supposed to look like? |
| 20:49.41 | findlay | besides I'm sure Knuth wasn't the first person to think of it |
| 20:49.48 | mheath | You can also adjust the power usage plan for laptops |
| 20:49.54 | mheath | Preformance, Blanced, Power Saver |
| 20:50.02 | mrpull | elg: the earbuds in the new ipods are surprisingly improved from the old |
| 20:50.06 | elg | findlay: I was first to think of it. what is it? |
| 20:50.14 | findlay | elg: conway chains |
| 20:50.47 | elg | you mean like tim conway cloned and then doing that funny party dance (the conga?) |
| 20:50.50 | findlay | well, to make general statements about binary combinatorial operators |
| 20:50.57 | findlay | close |
| 20:51.27 | mheath | Autodetects and supports all of my printers, all of the onboard hardware except for audio |
| 20:51.39 | mheath | ooh, and my camera |
| 20:51.50 | emcnabb | mheath: FC5 does all of that for me |
| 20:51.52 | elg | oh. I thought of the tim conway thing first. that's what I meant |
| 20:51.56 | emcnabb | go Linux go! |
| 20:52.05 | findlay | ~Linux++ |
| 20:52.08 | herlo | emcnabb!!! |
| 20:52.29 | levi | findlay: Well, if Conway's chained arrow notation is a collapsed form of Knuth up-arrows, then it stands to reason that Conway's notation was created after Knuth's was published. |
| 20:52.30 | findlay | emcnabb, now that you're here, will you fix my sound card driver problem? Thanks. |
| 20:52.34 | herlo | :-P |
| 20:52.37 | elg | osx and linux both can do custom power conservation now |
| 20:52.46 | emcnabb | herlo!!! |
| 20:52.49 | herlo | findlay: what sound card driver problem do you have... |
| 20:52.58 | findlay | levi: no, Conway's notation is a much more general concept than Knuth's notation |
| 20:53.08 | herlo | emcnabb: behave! |
| 20:53.34 | findlay | herlo: ALi M5455 |
| 20:53.47 | findlay | and the alsa snd_ali5451 driver doesn't work for it |
| 20:53.53 | herlo | findlay: no, what is the problem? |
| 20:54.03 | findlay | neither does the snd_intel8x0 work despite what alsaconf thinks |
| 20:55.36 | mheath | mrpull: you said you just installed RC2, right? |
| 20:55.42 | mheath | mrpull: does it support upgrades from RC1? |
| 20:56.14 | findlay | emcnabb: I'm sure because you're in good with Alan Cox or Linus that if you don't have time to personally work on it they would because I'm a good friend of yours |
| 20:56.23 | mrpull | mheath: yes. I just did an upgrade. |
| 20:56.41 | mrpull | dunno if you could mount the iso and run the upgrade from there |
| 20:56.48 | findlay | ~upgrade mrpull |
| 20:57.01 | levi | findlay: I'm sure that Conway's work came after Knuth's. |
| 20:57.08 | mheath | mrpull: that worked fine from XP |
| 20:57.21 | mheath | mrpull: because the first thing it does before any reboots is copy all the files to the HDD |
| 20:57.37 | mheath | I dunno if there are any ISO mounter programs that will work with Vista, though |
| 20:57.40 | mrpull | i suspected it did that, but didn't have any proof |
| 20:58.04 | mrpull | try daemon tools |
| 20:58.04 | mheath | I don't have a DVD burner anway :( |
| 20:58.33 | mheath | mrpull: when I did the first upgrade from XP, I actually used a little tool Microsoft released |
| 20:58.36 | levi | findlay: And it can indeed be defined in terms of Knuth arrow notation. |
| 20:59.00 | mheath | unsupported, and hard to find...its actually not searchable in their download center, but it's in their download center. |
| 20:59.41 | mheath | It was just a device driver from the operating systems point of view though |
| 20:59.50 | mheath | and Vista seems to be compatible with XP device drivers |
| 21:00.03 | mheath | (Now, the installers for said device drivers is another story) |
| 21:00.04 | mrpull | daemon tools claims vista support |
| 21:00.20 | elg | djb's daemontools? |
| 21:00.41 | mheath | mrpull: thats a big program, though...I'd rather keep everything as pure and simple as possible for said upgrade.. |
| 21:01.17 | mrpull | djb's daemontools is an abomination |
| 21:01.26 | mrpull | http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/download.php?mode=ViewCategory&catid=5 |
| 21:01.46 | levi | findlay: In any case, a lot of this work on huge numbers wasn't done until the 80s, which would clearly leave it out of the reach of a layperson of the time, not to mention a child. |
| 21:01.46 | findlay | levi: true. By definition you can define any conway chain as a series of additions if you wanted |
| 21:01.58 | mheath | mrpull: the weird thing for me.... |
| 21:02.06 | findlay | levi: so you're telling me you didn't come up with this stuff on you own as a child?! |
| 21:02.13 | mheath | The first time I installed Vista, it set me up with Aero, but at a small resolution (800x600 or something) |
| 21:02.16 | levi | (a^...^b)/c is equivalent to a -> b -> c |
| 21:02.33 | levi | Which is why I said it's a collapsed form of Knuth up-arrows. |
| 21:02.47 | mheath | Now, the install uses the right resolution for my widescreen, but uses the limited GUI instead |
| 21:02.52 | mheath | Exact same install media and process |
| 21:02.56 | levi | Er, not /c, but c ^'s. |
| 21:03.06 | findlay | levi: yeah, you had me wondering about that |
| 21:03.08 | findlay | (: |
| 21:03.27 | findlay | although I still don't quite understand the notation |
| 21:04.11 | levi | Take a, a series of Knuth up-arrows of length c, and b. That number is equivalent to a -> b -> c. |
| 21:04.31 | findlay | ok |
| 21:04.48 | levi | So you have 'collapsed' c up-arrows into a single term. |
| 21:05.33 | findlay | levi: that only works for chains of length 3 |
| 21:05.34 | mheath | mrpull: you really think the upgrade is worth it, then? |
| 21:05.55 | findlay | conway chains can have arbitrary length |
| 21:06.14 | findlay | but I suppose you could define a 4 node chain in terms of a 3 one |
| 21:06.24 | findlay | that's what I'm unclear about anyway |
| 21:06.25 | levi | Sure, but that is how chain notation is defined. |
| 21:06.49 | levi | According to MathWorld, which cites a book by Conway & Guy. |
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| 21:07.41 | levi | Anyway, I must be off to class. |
| 21:17.04 | mheath | mrpull: seems Microsoft pulled RC2 from being available for download |
| 21:24.55 | herlo | anyone here ever installed neon on Centos 4.3 |
| 21:24.57 | herlo | ? |
| 21:25.56 | Jayce^ | you mean centos on a dodge neon? :-p |
| 21:26.05 | herlo | Jayce^: exactly |
| 21:26.28 | herlo | Jayce^: no, as in libneon...:) |
| 21:27.22 | herlo | my goal is just to install svn on CentOS 4.3, yet I get this one dependency, then yum ends up shaving a yak and I cannot find the dependencies... |
| 21:28.24 | goozbach | libneon |
| 21:28.26 | goozbach | ohh |
| 21:28.32 | goozbach | nastyfied |
| 21:28.36 | herlo | it's poopy |
| 21:29.04 | goozbach | whatfor? |
| 21:29.16 | goozbach | letmeguess Xiphias? |
| 21:29.17 | herlo | subversion |
| 21:29.23 | goozbach | ohh close |
| 21:29.30 | goozbach | not baz |
| 21:32.10 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@205.122.50.21) |
| 21:34.02 | elg | hey maquis does amazon have an "I know your employee on IRC" discount? |
| 21:34.18 | maquis | elg: nope... sorry :) |
| 21:36.16 | nick125_lappy | maquis: do they have a suggestions box? :P |
| 21:37.28 | herlo | goozbach: It's not a work related thing |
| 21:37.58 | herlo | maquis: but what about friends and family discount, doesn't elg count as a friend? |
| 21:38.26 | herlo | :-P |
| 21:39.22 | elg | maquis: what about cool discount promo codes? got any of those handy? :) |
| 21:39.48 | redbeard1 | maquis: amazon women certainly are popular, aren't they? |
| 21:41.31 | levi_home | Oooh, someone left an OpenWRT running at UVSC. |
| 21:41.44 | maquis | nick125_lappy: they should, but last i checked, no |
| 21:41.51 | nick125_lappy | aww :( |
| 21:42.02 | maquis | redbeard1: yeah... but last i checked, we're also very dangerous |
| 21:42.36 | herlo | levi_home: probably Dave Heldenbrandt |
| 21:43.00 | levi_home | Probably. Meanwhile, free net access for me! |
| 21:43.01 | herlo | he's the instructor there that hacks the Linksys WRT54Gs with OpenWRT |
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| 21:43.15 | herlo | levi_home: he probably wouldn't mind |
| 21:43.22 | levi_home | I'm in one of his classes right now; unfortunately not the one where we hack on WRT54Gs. |
| 21:43.30 | levi_home | He's a great guy. |
| 21:43.54 | herlo | levi_home: I agree, he's knows his stuff too. What class are you taking? |
| 21:45.35 | elg | i just (finally) brought my midi keyboard and extra speakers to my office at school |
| 21:45.38 | elg | nice |
| 21:45.42 | elg | now it's finally home |
| 21:46.57 | elg | emcnabb: what's amcnabb's email? |
| 21:47.13 | levi_home | herlo: 3690 |
| 21:47.20 | herlo | I loved that class |
| 21:47.33 | levi_home | It's good stuff, though mostly review for me right now. |
| 21:47.38 | mheath | elg: Why do you have an office at a school? |
| 21:47.38 | herlo | does he still do the project? |
| 21:47.49 | elg | because I'm a r0x0rz grad student |
| 21:47.49 | levi_home | What project do you mean? |
| 21:48.09 | herlo | the end of semester project. IIRC, I wrote a raw socket emulator... |
| 21:48.19 | mheath | elg: grad students get their own office? |
| 21:48.20 | levi_home | herlo: We do an end-of-semester paper now. |
| 21:48.28 | herlo | well, actually it was one side of a raw socket |
| 21:48.38 | elg | often. or share with someone |
| 21:48.42 | levi_home | herlo: We use someone's program like that... WSocket.exe |
| 21:48.48 | elg | depends on the school, etc. |
| 21:49.00 | elg | even if you don't get an office usually you have a lab to hang out in |
| 21:49.07 | elg | with your research group |
| 21:49.15 | herlo | levi_home: yeah, that's not mine, but he probably got a better one. He used to use mine for demos, or at least he told me he was going to |
| 21:49.17 | elg | i don't have a window though |
| 21:49.38 | elg | I share with a guy from portugal. He's cool, but not in the office very often. |
| 21:49.45 | herlo | maybe it's mine, but I think I wrote mine in Linux |
| 21:49.57 | levi_home | Sounds like it's probably someone else's. |
| 21:50.06 | levi_home | It's written in C# or something. |
| 21:50.30 | levi_home | elg: At least you don't have to share an office with someone who stinks. |
| 21:50.50 | elg | yeah, but poor jorge... |
| 21:50.52 | elg | er, um |
| 21:51.05 | herlo | levi_home: yeah, definitely someone elses, I wrote mine in C |
| 21:51.10 | levi_home | Heh. |
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| 21:53.29 | herlo | so back to my original question, has anyone installed libneon? |
| 21:54.14 | elg | -lart amcnabb |
| 21:54.26 | elg | amcnabb: did you ever get PAF working properly in Wine? without those display issues? |
| 21:54.39 | elg | i got an email from some guy about it |
| 21:54.42 | amcnabb | I've heard people say it's a lot easier now. |
| 21:54.45 | elg | these days I just use vmware |
| 21:54.47 | amcnabb | And that it works better now. |
| 21:54.53 | amcnabb | I haven't tried it yet, though. |
| 21:58.04 | mheath | familysearch.org? Geneology stuff? |
| 21:58.10 | findlay | yup |
| 21:59.13 | mheath | I'm still just trying to find some record of my great-great-great-grandfather |
| 21:59.28 | mheath | Thats where our records of the Heath line drop off :( |
| 21:59.54 | findlay | do they disappear into the heath? |
| 21:59.57 | elg | is TimRiker working on that new familyserch thing? |
| 21:59.59 | findlay | heh, I'm so funny |
| 22:00.21 | TimRiker | huh? wha? nah. all I do is play BZFlag. :) |
| 22:00.41 | elg | oh good. I was beginning to worry I'd have to change my mental model |
| 22:00.46 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 22:00.50 | findlay | elg: TimRiker is applying his superior skillz to it I hear |
| 22:01.07 | mheath | We have a marriage certificate for the guy, and our earliest finding of him is his name in a town directory / address book. |
| 22:01.11 | elg | i do now remember something about working at the FHD, or at least the church |
| 22:01.14 | TimRiker | l33t stuph happenin' here |
| 22:01.25 | elg | but are you working on that web-based newfangled thing, or something else? |
| 22:01.32 | findlay | I mean, there's a thing called BZFlag that TimRiker hacks on |
| 22:01.38 | elg | do you work with Randy? I think that's his name |
| 22:01.51 | TimRiker | yes. I'm working in the new unified system which will be online at familysearch.org sometime soon. |
| 22:02.03 | findlay | Real Soon? |
| 22:02.09 | elg | "sometime soon" next week, month, year, decade? |
| 22:02.11 | TimRiker | I admin 3000+ linux systems that make up the site and the development systems. |
| 22:02.19 | mheath | Does the LDS Church still make a free geneology client thingy? |
| 22:02.28 | mheath | An app for creating charts / inputing information |
| 22:02.35 | mheath | I know my dad had an old MS-DOS program that did that |
| 22:02.44 | TimRiker | yes, and there is supposed to be a new version of PAF sometime, but it's still a ways out. |
| 22:02.46 | elg | mheath: PAF. it's been on maintenance track for awhile why they do this nifty new thing TimRiker is talking about |
| 22:02.50 | elg | hopefully it's nifty anyway. |
| 22:02.55 | TimRiker | the web site should be within a year or so. |
| 22:03.10 | TimRiker | I don't know of a date for the client yet. |
| 22:03.13 | elg | mheath: actually the old DOS PAF wasn't free, at least not until the out-to-pasture version |
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| 22:03.24 | elg | the windows one is |
| 22:03.33 | elg | it wasn't all that expensive, but it weren't free |
| 22:03.42 | TimRiker | mheath: the new PAF 5 for windows is free on lds.org someplace. |
| 22:03.57 | mheath | elg: ah. I just remember a cool mail service thing....he'd send his records to the church on floppy disks, and get updates back (or request disks with specific info on them?) |
| 22:04.29 | TimRiker | I don't think the dos one is available anyplace anymore. I use the DOS PAF 3 in dos windows on Linux. wine hates PAF 5. |
| 22:04.54 | elg | i have fond memories of the ol' dos paf |
| 22:05.15 | TimRiker | the old 2.x paf was horrid. the 3.x version is at least usable. |
| 22:05.21 | elg | i remember one family reunion where my grandma and uncle thought it would be cool to print out the whole family tree chart |
| 22:05.30 | elg | on a dot matrix printer |
| 22:05.33 | elg | piles of paper |
| 22:05.42 | findlay | does it work in dosemu? |
| 22:05.51 | TimRiker | paf 3? yes. |
| 22:05.52 | elg | then they detached at the perforations and taped it together in the living room |
| 22:06.02 | elg | took up the whole room (fairly large) and then some |
| 22:06.09 | elg | took all day to print |
| 22:06.38 | elg | TimRiker: so you work with Randy? |
| 22:06.43 | TimRiker | paf5 is a unicode app trying to run on win9x so it overrides all kinds of crap that wine hates. |
| 22:06.53 | elg | maybe not if you're adminning |
| 22:07.06 | mheath | Jeremiah F. Heath, Birth: Abt 1831, Death: Bef 1859. Marriages: Spouse: Syrena (Rena) NORRIS), 21 May 1851, Nashville, New Hampshire |
| 22:07.10 | TimRiker | elg: I work with a randy, yes. I setup the servers that everybody else uses. :) |
| 22:07.34 | elg | this is a guy with a CS PhD, iirc. I wish I could remember his last name :) |
| 22:08.04 | mheath | We have other indirect lines traced back to the 1500's. I wish I could find out where Jeremiah was born, or who his parents were... |
| 22:08.38 | TimRiker | son: Clarence Flynn Heath Disputed. Click for details (1852-1927) |
| 22:09.22 | mheath | TimRiker: Disputed? Clarence Flynn Heath _IS_ my Great-Great-Grandfather. |
| 22:09.45 | mheath | I have pictures of him with my Great Granfather, and even my Grandfather. I have Clarence Flynn Heath's family bible. |
| 22:09.59 | mheath | Where Clarence Flynn Heath wrote, himself, that his dad was Jeremiah F. Heath. |
| 22:10.49 | mheath | TimRiker: where does it say it's Disputed? |
| 22:10.53 | TimRiker | also married Emma W Nelson? |
| 22:11.09 | TimRiker | sorry, the disputed was a copy error from the beta web site. |
| 22:11.16 | TimRiker | I don't see a dispute there. |
| 22:11.39 | mheath | TimRiker: Emma W Nelson? |
| 22:11.55 | mheath | No. |
| 22:12.08 | TimRiker | I see another entry for a Jeremiah F. Heath in NH with that wife. |
| 22:12.14 | mheath | Syrena Norris. |
| 22:12.22 | TimRiker | yeah, got that one too. |
| 22:12.59 | TimRiker | Clarence Flynn Heath son and Anna Heath as a daughter. |
| 22:13.11 | mheath | TimRiker: We have his marriage certificate for Syrena Norris. Shortly after his marriage to her, he left New Hampshire |
| 22:13.36 | mheath | TimRiker: Wrong. |
| 22:13.48 | mheath | Jeremiah Heath was killed by indians |
| 22:14.09 | TimRiker | married 21 May 1851 Nashville, Hillsboro, New Hampshire, United States |
| 22:14.09 | mheath | Syrena Norris remarried William Ogden, and raised Clarence |
| 22:14.29 | mheath | TimRiker: People screw with our records and line based on speculation. |
| 22:14.39 | mheath | My dads research is all based on absolute documents and facts. |
| 22:14.52 | mheath | Marriage certificates, death certificates, etc. |
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| 22:15.22 | TimRiker | Frank Ogden (1860-1927), G. Edy Ogden (1862-1927), and Rettia Ogden (1865-1927) |
| 22:15.38 | TimRiker | all died in 1927? odd. |
| 22:15.50 | mheath | Not related to us. |
| 22:16.09 | elg | Newsome: is that connection from baystar to MS legit? |
| 22:16.23 | mheath | TimRiker: How come Jeremiah F. Heath is listed as getting married in 1851 in New Hampshire, USA, when I follow the line up (Go to my grandpa, click his dad, click his dad, etc).... |
| 22:16.30 | Newsome | legit as in really there, or legit as in legal? :) |
| 22:16.30 | mheath | But when I go to the current familysearch.org homepage |
| 22:16.50 | mheath | And I search for Jeremiah Heath with Marriage in 1851, in New Hampshire USA, nothing is found? |
| 22:17.16 | TimRiker | mheath: I don't do anything on the currect site. I was looking on the internal beta site |
| 22:17.41 | TimRiker | and I did find it there. |
| 22:17.49 | Newsome | I think there's a lot of evidence about the connection between SCO/Baystar/MS now. |
| 22:17.58 | mheath | TimRiker: the correct (The one my dad submitted at least) Jeremiah F. Heath is AFN BX3X-B5 |
| 22:18.37 | mheath | Odd. The current site doesn't even show on his individual record that he had any children. |
| 22:18.37 | TimRiker | I have HS3Z-S7ZD-S but there may be more, checking... |
| 22:19.22 | TimRiker | 3J7N-37QD-S and 4MDW-9HQD-S |
| 22:19.38 | mheath | Heh, I don't know how to use those numbers even :P |
| 22:20.07 | elg | Newsome: legit as in not just some fantasy of a slashdot poster |
| 22:20.17 | TimRiker | ah, and AFN BX3X-B5 as well. |
| 22:20.33 | elg | TimRiker: are there several copies of me and my siblings? |
| 22:20.36 | Newsome | elg: Not just some fantasy. It's real. |
| 22:20.40 | mheath | TimRiker: Yep. BX3X-B5 is the correct one. |
| 22:21.05 | TimRiker | elg it dows not show me living people. have to be dead for over ... hmmm 1 1/2 years perhaps? |
| 22:21.24 | mheath | TimRiker: I forgot about Anna Heath...your right, she's in there. |
| 22:21.33 | elg | i don't remember any off-hand that were duplicated, though I know they're there |
| 22:21.40 | elg | the Ancestral File disaster |
| 22:22.01 | mheath | I thought she died of some weird illness on the way across the plaines, that said she died in 1927. Hmm. |
| 22:22.36 | elg | across the planes? maybe it was snakes |
| 22:23.12 | mheath | No. I remember mention of her, I think, in a typed up dialog of my great uncle relating some family stories |
| 22:23.16 | Newsome | Ancestral File is a big mess. I've got tons of my family in there, but updates never occur. My grandmother who died in '85 is still listed as living, and you still can't download enough generations at one time. |
| 22:23.18 | mheath | Rheumatic fever or something like that. |
| 22:23.24 | TimRiker | the new site will be fun as folks try to clean up the messed that other folks are creating. |
| 22:23.39 | elg | TimRiker: will I be able to clean up my family? |
| 22:23.49 | TimRiker | yes. that's the point. |
| 22:23.55 | mheath | TimRiker: It's stupid when people modify your own submitted research with speculated ties. |
| 22:24.07 | elg | how does it decide who is right? |
| 22:24.11 | elg | if there's conflict |
| 22:24.18 | mheath | You'll carefully piece together links using valid, factual documents and some other people will make an assumption and add stupid links |
| 22:24.25 | TimRiker | if you upload a clean gedcom to ped res file, that should make it's way into the new web version. so do that. :) |
| 22:24.44 | TimRiker | it lists all the opinions. |
| 22:24.56 | TimRiker | so you can dispute anything you like. |
| 22:25.11 | elg | is it evidence-centric? |
| 22:25.29 | elg | how does it handle duplicates and the merging thereof? |
| 22:25.46 | TimRiker | you can submit sources for everything, and you should. but the current version does not take that into account much other than just showing that they are there. |
| 22:26.47 | TimRiker | you can display all the merged records for a person and then unmerge them if you like. some of that is subject to change so I'm not quite sure how it will work in the final version. |
| 22:27.14 | Newsome | so has Pres. H. given it a better vote of approval than "We hope it'll work"? |
| 22:28.12 | TimRiker | hehe. not that I've heard. though I do hear they are praying for us. That's gotta count for something. :) |
| 22:30.11 | Newsome | heh, yeah. I interviewed up there back in January. Didn't get the job, but that left me open to find a job elsewhere... |
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| 22:35.42 | findlay | hi |
| 22:36.43 | Sargun | hi |
| 22:36.48 | maquis | TimRiker: you're working on the church familyhistory system? |
| 22:36.57 | Sargun | ~sargun vex |
| 22:36.58 | ibot | Want a VPS, vex ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, vex ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, vex ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 22:37.18 | Sargun | vex, you work at prohosting? |
| 22:37.19 | TimRiker | maquis: yes. |
| 22:37.38 | Sargun | ~poke vex |
| 22:37.40 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind vex, pokes vex repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:37.48 | vex | howdy |
| 22:37.49 | maquis | TimRiker: cool. my mom wants to know when she can try it out |
| 22:37.57 | Sargun | vex, I saw your RDNS |
| 22:38.04 | Sargun | vex, do you work at prohosting? |
| 22:38.04 | maquis | she's been asking me what i know about it |
| 22:38.13 | vex | Yes. |
| 22:38.38 | TimRiker | maquis: they already have a beta test list, not sure if it's closed yet or not. |
| 22:38.39 | vex | RE ProHosting, not 13 year old girls. |
| 22:38.48 | Sargun | lol |
| 22:38.50 | Sargun | thats a joke |
| 22:38.54 | elg | TimRiker: how do we get on it? |
| 22:38.57 | maquis | TimRiker: hmmm... i'll see about that, although i don't know that she'd be good for beta-testing |
| 22:39.04 | vex | I know |
| 22:39.05 | maquis | she's kind of... not very computer-literate |
| 22:39.10 | Sargun | vex, and I doubt you live in california |
| 22:39.47 | vex | I'll give you one guess :) |
| 22:40.25 | Sargun | why so much? (Cost)? |
| 22:46.04 | Tene | http://bestthing.info/ |
| 22:46.16 | Tene | http://xkcd.com/date/top.html |
| 22:51.56 | beandog | Tene: hee hee |
| 22:52.02 | beandog | thats great. |
| 23:02.24 | findlay | are there any good iax soft phones out there? |
| 23:09.55 | goozbach | findlay: hudlite |
| 23:10.00 | goozbach | non-os |
| 23:11.37 | Sargun | kphone ftw |
| 23:12.02 | findlay | Sargun: kphone is ISP |
| 23:12.05 | findlay | s/ISP/SIP/ |
| 23:12.58 | Sargun | ah |
| 23:13.03 | Sargun | there was a IAX patch |
| 23:13.24 | Sargun | net-misc/kiax |
| 23:15.03 | findlay | Sargun: thanks |
| 23:23.54 | findlay | well, I got closer today to voip bliss |
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| 23:39.49 | Sargun | lol |
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| 23:55.31 | Sargun | Are there any ISPs which run an IDS? |
| 23:55.52 | Sargun | Do you think people are looking into IDS? |
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