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| 00:02.26 | macnewbold | mheath: freebsd |
| 00:02.31 | macnewbold | 6.1 is nice |
| 00:02.44 | macnewbold | solaris is a beast |
| 00:06.15 | mheath | The box I'm IRCing from right now is going to be the server soon. =) |
| 00:07.00 | nick125_lappy | FBSD isn't bad |
| 00:07.31 | nick125_lappy | I used to run it... |
| 00:07.57 | nick125_lappy | the reason I went back to gentoo is because I didn't like ports too much, and, library linking broke badly one day |
| 00:07.59 | mheath | nick125_lappy, yes, I have too. Like I've run Solaris. And Plan9. And Amoeba. And GNU. And GNU/Linux. |
| 00:08.18 | mheath | And CP/M. And MS-DOS. And Windows. Even ran ITS in an emulator :) |
| 00:08.21 | nick125_lappy | GNU as is? |
| 00:08.24 | nick125_lappy | Herd? |
| 00:09.30 | mheath | nick125: GNU as in the GNU Operating System, which uses GNU Mach as a microkernel, with GNU Hurd to manage the low level system. |
| 00:09.38 | nick125_lappy | ooh |
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| 00:14.40 | brando1 | I have one of those "you either know or don't know and google doesn't understand" questions. Is there a command that can be run to find out what resolution you're running in? specifically the width and height of the screen? (to pass to firefox to start fullscreen without needig to click on a window manager) |
| 00:21.42 | nick125_lappy | xdpyinfo should |
| 00:22.26 | nick125_lappy | localhost ~ # xdpyinfo | grep -i dimensions dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (332x212 millimeters) |
| 00:22.30 | nick125_lappy | localhost ~ # |
| 00:22.51 | nick125_lappy | irssi put that all on one line..bleh |
| 00:24.04 | brando1 | yup, thanks |
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| 00:26.13 | nick125_lappy | a really really ugly way to get it |
| 00:26.26 | nick125_lappy | and it would only work on things such as 1280x800, 1024x768, etc |
| 00:26.33 | nick125_lappy | xdpyinfo | grep -i dimensions | cut -b 18- | cut -b -8 |
| 00:28.48 | nick125_lappy | really ugly hack |
| 00:29.11 | mheath | Hmm. Last time I did an install of FreeBSD, it was on my old laptop using floppies... |
| 00:32.35 | nick125_lappy | brando1: heres a little cleaner version (I hacked this together, I don't know crap about sed) |
| 00:32.36 | nick125_lappy | xdpyinfo | grep -i dimensions | sed 's/pixels.*//' | sed 's/dimensions://' | sed 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//' |
| 00:42.13 | brando1 | nick: thanks, that's great |
| 00:43.49 | mheath | Wow, FreeBSD has FAST mirrors. |
| 00:43.59 | mheath | 850 KB/s right now |
| 00:44.28 | tuxd00d | brando1: I used the full screen extention to do that |
| 00:45.17 | tuxd00d | brando1: but your way is better, if it works |
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| 00:48.18 | brando1 | odd, firefox ignores -width and -height when it says that's what it uses.. odd. |
| 01:01.43 | tuxd00d | brando1: not really odd, just not very finished |
| 01:01.44 | tuxd00d | I though they fixed that by now |
| 01:01.44 | brando1 | not on ubuntu i guess |
| 01:01.45 | tuxd00d | you may want to check out http://www.krickelkrackel.de/autohide/ |
| 01:01.45 | tuxd00d | I've used it in the past |
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| 01:09.47 | goozbach | define redneck |
| 01:09.59 | goozbach | http://slackwolf.com/tat/outline.jpg |
| 01:10.11 | goozbach | http://slackwolf.com/tat/outline.jpg |
| 01:11.01 | goozbach | whyfor? |
| 01:11.11 | fozzmoo | why not? |
| 01:22.00 | mheath | what the... |
| 01:22.37 | mheath | I have chocolate covered strawberries cooling upstairs :) |
| 01:22.59 | Tene | You lie! |
| 01:23.11 | fozzmoo | You lie down! |
| 01:23.38 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.40 | nick125_lappy | errrr |
| 01:23.43 | mheath | erm, I mean |
| 01:23.54 | Tene | Yeah, I totally should lie down. I could use a nap. |
| 01:23.55 | mheath | You lie down <insert complimentary word which makes a whitty continuation of the previous two sentences>! |
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| 01:25.31 | vontrapp | where is recording status stored for a program in mythtv? |
| 01:25.46 | vontrapp | e.g. will record, conflicting, recording, etc. |
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| 02:13.01 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 02:13.52 | harleypi1 | lo |
| 02:14.24 | harleypi1 | and burns? |
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| 02:14.48 | maquis | harleypi1: close enough |
| 02:15.04 | levi_home | maquis: How's it going? |
| 02:15.08 | maquis | nick125_lappy: uh... couldn't you have just restarted some services? i had some great uptime |
| 02:15.15 | maquis | levi_home: it's a lot of work |
| 02:15.20 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 02:15.28 | levi_home | maquis: What, Amazon is? |
| 02:15.35 | maquis | yeah |
| 02:15.48 | levi_home | Good work? |
| 02:16.16 | harleypi1 | so when is amazon gonna open up? |
| 02:16.20 | harleypi1 | their source I mean |
| 02:16.57 | maquis | harleypi1: they've made some contributions to some projects, and they've opened up a number of APIs |
| 02:17.07 | maquis | don't expect much else, though |
| 02:17.52 | levi_home | harleypi1: What do you want them to release the source to? |
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| 02:18.37 | harleypi1 | the world |
| 02:19.10 | harleypi1 | open source it even |
| 02:19.43 | harleypi1 | maquis: I was just being a smart aleck ... just commenting on yahoo's move |
| 02:20.04 | maquis | ah |
| 02:28.45 | calvarez | hello |
| 02:29.05 | calvarez | I'm Hhhhh, just for the record |
| 02:29.38 | calvarez | any BYU students around? |
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| 02:29.56 | levi_home | Several former BYU students. |
| 02:30.08 | calvarez | including myself |
| 02:30.27 | mheath[laptop] | calvarez: I am going to go for a run tonight. |
| 02:30.28 | mheath[laptop] | Yah. |
| 02:30.30 | mheath[laptop] | First time in ages |
| 02:30.37 | mheath[laptop] | erm |
| 02:30.45 | mheath[laptop] | I didn't mean to say that to you specifically, calvarez |
| 02:30.48 | calvarez | hehe |
| 02:30.53 | calvarez | ok |
| 02:31.10 | mheath[laptop] | I usually don't spring up on random unsuspecting people and announce my exercise plans. I promise |
| 02:31.20 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: Didn't take up bicycling? |
| 02:31.29 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: doctor said running would be OK |
| 02:31.31 | calvarez | lol, ok |
| 02:31.45 | levi_home | Sure, but bicycling is more fun. :) |
| 02:31.47 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: bicycling was because one of the doctors initially said it would be better than running |
| 02:32.07 | calvarez | bycling is awesome |
| 02:32.09 | calvarez | good work out |
| 02:32.17 | mheath[laptop] | NOT as good as a run :) |
| 02:32.18 | calvarez | bycicling, that is |
| 02:32.25 | calvarez | but more enjoyable |
| 02:32.38 | goozbach | calvarez: Gatech? huh? |
| 02:32.42 | calvarez | I can't run |
| 02:32.49 | levi_home | You can get just as good of a workout, at a much lower impact level. |
| 02:32.52 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: granted, given my potential heart conditions, any heavy cardio is a bit questionable |
| 02:32.52 | goozbach | how'd ya find us #utahns? |
| 02:32.54 | calvarez | yea, just graduated from BYU, going to GATECH now |
| 02:32.58 | calvarez | goozbach, I'm Hhhhh |
| 02:33.13 | calvarez | longtimer here, lost for a while, came back with a diff nickname |
| 02:33.23 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: I'd rather workout and enjoy my life and die at 50 than live a crappy life not enjoying the physical activities I like :) |
| 02:33.26 | goozbach | ahh |
| 02:33.29 | levi_home | I have kind of a weird heart condition too, but it shouldn't be fatal. |
| 02:33.40 | calvarez | running hurts my back |
| 02:33.49 | goozbach | didn't recongnise the username nor mask |
| 02:33.58 | calvarez | yea |
| 02:34.05 | mheath[laptop] | calvarez: running hurts my joints, but so does everything |
| 02:34.16 | mheath[laptop] | Wow, I haven't done any running since I was down on depot. |
| 02:34.30 | calvarez | mheath[laptop], it's not the joints, I guess joint discomfort is good in a way |
| 02:34.36 | levi_home | I get a tachycardia condition sometimes when I'm exercising. It stops soon after I lay down and put my feet up, though. |
| 02:34.46 | calvarez | it's my back, the impact hurt it and using different shoes doesn't help |
| 02:34.47 | mheath[laptop] | calvarez: not for me :P\ |
| 02:35.05 | calvarez | hehe, no pain, no gain |
| 02:35.05 | mheath[laptop] | calvarez: I have a genetic condition that effects connective tissues (such as those in the knees) |
| 02:35.11 | calvarez | oh I see |
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| 02:35.26 | mheath[laptop] | wow. Someone told _me_ "no pain, no gain". :P |
| 02:35.40 | levi_home | My heart starts beating something > 200 bpm or so. |
| 02:35.48 | calvarez | heh, that was before you mentioned your condition |
| 02:36.11 | calvarez | at any rate, no attack intended |
| 02:36.18 | mheath[laptop] | calvarez: no, thats not the reason I laughed at that. |
| 02:36.28 | calvarez | oh, ok |
| 02:36.44 | mheath[laptop] | calvarez: I've made it through the harder parts of USMC basic training before I was diagnosed with some medical conditions. |
| 02:36.59 | mheath[laptop] | Telling me "no pain, no gain' after the things I've been through seems silly =P |
| 02:37.02 | calvarez | oh, I see the irony :) |
| 02:37.04 | calvarez | sorry |
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| 02:38.08 | calvarez | hello amcnabb |
| 02:38.44 | amcnabb | hi |
| 02:38.48 | amcnabb | How's it going? |
| 02:38.53 | calvarez | pretty good |
| 02:39.10 | calvarez | have you graduated, or close to graduation? |
| 02:39.33 | calvarez | BTW, I'm Chris Alvarez, we took CS252 together, studied together a couple of times |
| 02:39.49 | amcnabb | Yeah. I recognized from the name. |
| 02:39.58 | maquis | calvarez: weren't you Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh<cough>? |
| 02:40.00 | amcnabb | I just graduated, but I'm starting the grad program in CS. |
| 02:40.01 | calvarez | I used to use the nickname Hhhhh |
| 02:40.02 | calvarez | yea |
| 02:40.18 | amcnabb | calvarez is more recognizable of a name |
| 02:40.19 | mheath[laptop] | ew, graduate school |
| 02:40.27 | calvarez | grad school rocks |
| 02:40.33 | mheath[laptop] | I don't even want to think of that. |
| 02:40.38 | mheath[laptop] | I'm just starting _school_. |
| 02:40.39 | calvarez | SO much more fun than undergraduate |
| 02:41.24 | levi_home | amcnabb: Doing the CS grad program at BYU? |
| 02:41.58 | mheath[laptop] | I'll be back in a bit |
| 02:42.09 | Tene | yay, back! |
| 02:42.17 | mheath[laptop] | (Forward at a double time, aye aye, sir, oorah marine corps......kill!) |
| 02:42.19 | levi_home | I'm looking around at grad schools. |
| 02:42.32 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: still here. |
| 02:42.51 | Tene | Bah. |
| 02:47.08 | calvarez | amcnabb, who's your advisor? |
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| 02:55.15 | findlay | why are all the mailing lists I'm on so boring? |
| 02:56.03 | findlay | there hasn't been a flame war on the plug in like forever |
| 02:58.55 | mheath[laptop] | wow, that run went pretty well considering I haven't done any running in about a year. |
| 02:58.58 | mheath[laptop] | erm |
| 02:59.01 | mheath[laptop] | *about a month |
| 02:59.40 | mheath[laptop] | And, er, if you live in Washington Terrace and find vomit on your lawn in the morning, you have my appologies. |
| 03:01.39 | amcnabb | levi_home yep |
| 03:01.46 | amcnabb | calvarez, Kevin Seppi |
| 03:02.19 | mheath[laptop] | No one here has any ties to the Utah State Office of Education, do they? |
| 03:02.47 | levi_home | amcnabb: Doing a Masters or PhD? |
| 03:02.52 | amcnabb | Masters |
| 03:03.14 | mheath[laptop] | How come theres only Doctor of Philosophy, and no Doctor of Science or Doctor of Art, like there is at the Masters level? |
| 03:03.34 | amcnabb | The names don't really mean anything. |
| 03:03.38 | levi_home | What sort of things are you studying? |
| 03:04.06 | amcnabb | I'm most interested in statistical machine learning type stuff, but I don't have a thesis topic yet. |
| 03:04.25 | levi_home | Ahh, cool. AI. :) |
| 03:04.37 | amcnabb | It's just like in the movies. |
| 03:04.38 | findlay | amcnabb: my roomate is doing something like that |
| 03:04.41 | findlay | at BYU |
| 03:04.46 | amcnabb | What's his name? |
| 03:04.50 | levi_home | I'm in the UVSC AI class right now. |
| 03:04.52 | findlay | Max Wilson |
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| 03:05.02 | amcnabb | He's in one of my classes. |
| 03:05.15 | mheath[laptop] | you people all make me depressed that I'm just starting school |
| 03:05.22 | amcnabb | Why? |
| 03:05.29 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: um, yeah, you're 18 (: |
| 03:05.37 | mheath[laptop] | findlay: Try again. |
| 03:05.46 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: You'll probably be finished before you're my age, though. |
| 03:05.59 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: try 'just starting school' when you're 25 |
| 03:06.10 | mheath[laptop] | findlay: I am not 18, though :) |
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| 03:06.57 | mheath[laptop] | Wow, ports is really neat. |
| 03:07.12 | findlay | sqrt(350) |
| 03:07.53 | mheath[laptop] | 18.7? |
| 03:08.06 | mheath[laptop] | No. |
| 03:08.46 | mheath[laptop] | Meeting me in person always confuses people about my age, it seems. |
| 03:08.57 | findlay | sqrt(320) |
| 03:10.09 | mheath[laptop] | Closer :P |
| 03:12.33 | mheath[laptop] | WTF was that? |
| 03:12.37 | mheath[laptop] | I just got a phone call... |
| 03:12.42 | Tene | From me? |
| 03:13.08 | mheath[laptop] | Hello? (Hello?) ....Hello? (Can you here me?) Yes...who is this? (One second) |
| 03:13.19 | mheath[laptop] | What he said is in parenthesis |
| 03:13.38 | mheath[laptop] | I hang up after he set the phone down. |
| 03:13.44 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: your restarded if thats from you. |
| 03:13.59 | Tene | I don't think it was me. I was in the bathroom just then. |
| 03:14.10 | Tene | I certainly *hope* that that doesn't generate phone calls. |
| 03:15.13 | mheath[laptop] | 337-344-5753 |
| 03:15.42 | Tene | That's not even my area code... |
| 03:15.48 | mheath[laptop] | Louisiana. |
| 03:15.56 | mheath[laptop] | Thats the second time that number called this evening. |
| 03:15.58 | Tene | Yeah, it totally wasn't me. |
| 03:16.04 | mheath[laptop] | The first time, a few hours ago, it was just silence. |
| 03:17.01 | Tene | I could do it! |
| 03:17.01 | mheath[laptop] | phones rining |
| 03:17.02 | Tene | "Quit calling mheath left bracket laptop right bracket!" |
| 03:17.20 | mheath[laptop] | WTF |
| 03:17.32 | mheath[laptop] | Crazy guy with russian accent and bad english |
| 03:17.35 | mheath[laptop] | who lives in lousiana |
| 03:18.04 | mheath[laptop] | and apparently doesn't know how to use a phone |
| 03:18.09 | Tene | howso? |
| 03:18.29 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: the earlier "Hello? Hello? Hello? can you hear me?" interchange |
| 03:18.40 | Tene | Hmm. |
| 03:18.47 | mheath[laptop] | It happened in a rather silly manner, like he wasn't quite sure that was really the part of the phone you talk into. |
| 03:19.13 | Tene | did you ask how he got your phone number, or who he was trying to reach? |
| 03:19.27 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: trying to reach my dad, supposedly. |
| 03:19.33 | Tene | huh |
| 03:19.41 | mheath[laptop] | (I live with my dad) |
| 03:19.55 | Tene | Should I start passing around general invitations for people to prank call him? |
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| 03:20.27 | Tene | Hey, elg, you ever been a russian living in lousiana? |
| 03:21.02 | mheath[laptop] | (337) 344-5753 is a cell phonebased in Lafayette, LA |
| 03:21.23 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: no, theres always the chance the call was legit,and the guy has a real reason to call my dad. |
| 03:22.16 | mheath[laptop] | He had a strong russian accent and acted like he wasn't sure he was holding the phone the right way. Really odd. |
| 03:23.48 | mheath[laptop] | anyway, I'm heading elsewhere while irssi and apache hapily compile themselves on my new server |
| 03:23.51 | mheath[laptop] | ports++ |
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| 04:07.21 | calvarez | lol |
| 04:11.49 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: http://loose-bits.blogspot.com |
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| 04:13.48 | mheath[laptop] | mmm |
| 04:14.42 | mheath[laptop] | Tomorrow, I get a job. |
| 04:15.04 | mheath[laptop] | Back at my old job, unfortunately, but a job nonetheless. |
| 04:34.11 | atoponce | well, that better than nothing |
| 04:34.14 | atoponce | :) |
| 04:34.45 | mheath[laptop] | atoponce: the pays decent. $7.50+ |
| 04:34.54 | mheath[laptop] | I'm going to see if I can get them to give me a raise up to $8.50. |
| 04:35.33 | levi_home | Mmm, Jupiter. |
| 04:36.32 | mheath[laptop] | Time to head to sleep. I need to get up a bit eraly and make it down there before they open. |
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| 04:49.42 | findlay | levi_home: you should try Bruckner's symphonies. I reccommend the Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker cycle on Deutsche Grammophon |
| 04:50.43 | findlay | the 5th is one of the most titanic symphonies of all time |
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| 04:51.20 | levi_home | I'll try to remember that. |
| 04:51.42 | findlay | only to be (narrowly) eclipsed by the 8th |
| 04:51.53 | levi_home | I need to figure out what classes I'll be taking next semester so I can figure out which ones to request for summer. |
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| 04:56.07 | elg | I officially hate the quadratic equation |
| 04:56.23 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:58.04 | findlay | Karajan is *the* conductor for Bruckner: consistent flow of music across entire movements, even entire symphonies, music making cleansed from all confessions of personal histrionics, flawlessly blended orchestral timbres across the entire ensamble, an immaculate wizardry of baton waving out of which glows a tremendous passion and deep purpose |
| 04:58.23 | elg | I probably lost at least 12% off that exam because I didn't know the stupid quadratic equation |
| 04:58.29 | elg | and can't factor to save my life |
| 04:58.48 | findlay | elg: try the cubic formula (: |
| 04:58.49 | elg | and the really annoying part is I swear I wrote it in my notes yesterday, but it was nowhere to be found. argh! |
| 04:59.07 | findlay | or quartic |
| 04:59.14 | elg | and it turns out the factors were 3 and 2. I'm such an algebraic idiot |
| 05:01.10 | findlay | well, if it's any consolation none other than Gauss spent his entire life pondering the fundamental theorem of algebra insomuch that he derived 6 distinct proofs thereof |
| 05:02.25 | elg | thanks |
| 05:02.30 | findlay | the Karajan effect on Sibelius may even be more profound, especially for a symphony so alien as the 4th |
| 05:02.34 | elg | at least I didn't bomb the other midterm I had today. I thought I would |
| 05:03.09 | elg | but it turned out to be not too difficult, except for the part where I had to figure out how to do cross product by trial and error |
| 05:03.16 | elg | in my spare time |
| 05:03.33 | elg | that was a stupid thing, to forget to review cross product for a graphics exam |
| 05:03.36 | findlay | an invention of Archimedes |
| 05:03.41 | elg | but at least I had the extra time |
| 05:03.45 | findlay | iirc |
| 05:03.55 | Sargun | elg, what math are you in? |
| 05:04.05 | elg | digital signal processing |
| 05:04.07 | elg | EE 545 |
| 05:04.09 | elg | I'm a CS major |
| 05:04.14 | elg | you can see the problem. |
| 05:04.19 | elg | I have great discrete math skillz |
| 05:04.47 | findlay | Archimedes contributed much first class original material the theory of equations |
| 05:04.47 | elg | I do great at basic algebra. but I've never been fond of the quadratic stuff |
| 05:05.05 | findlay | elg: try Galois theory (-: |
| 05:05.07 | elg | or doing fancy things with summations, which is the other part I bombed |
| 05:05.26 | elg | hopefully I conveyed knowledge of the DSP stuff though, and will get partial credit |
| 05:09.05 | elg | it could have been worse. it could have been loaded with trig |
| 05:09.08 | elg | I'm much worse at trig |
| 05:11.18 | calvarez | elg, you taking CS 455? |
| 05:11.23 | calvarez | AT byu? |
| 05:11.33 | elg | no, at NMSU. 506 |
| 05:11.39 | elg | but basically similar |
| 05:11.39 | calvarez | COOL |
| 05:11.42 | calvarez | sorry for caps |
| 05:11.49 | elg | I didn't take 455, but my brother did |
| 05:12.49 | elg | cooler than the alternatives, but graphics isn't really my thing |
| 05:13.04 | elg | spending hours trying to get the pixels to behave just right in filling triangles, for example, may be enough to drive me to heinous crimes, like eating oatmeal or something |
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| 05:27.44 | bonez41 | am I coming through? |
| 05:29.16 | Sargun | no :-P |
| 05:29.24 | Sargun | bonez41, next time ~ping |
| 05:29.26 | Sargun | like so: |
| 05:29.27 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 05:29.30 | ibot | pong |
| 05:29.59 | bonez41 | ~ping |
| 05:30.00 | ibot | pong |
| 05:30.05 | bonez41 | thank you... |
| 05:30.07 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:31.48 | tuxd00d | ~dict disodium |
| 05:32.09 | tuxd00d | ~dict love |
| 05:32.30 | bonez41 | I just set up a linux box for my boys here.....after I absconded with their xp pro machine...to use at my office....can't get the resolution of the display set right..... |
| 05:33.02 | Sargun | ah |
| 05:33.04 | Sargun | what video card? |
| 05:33.30 | bonez41 | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 01) |
| 05:33.42 | bonez41 | ac'97 I guess that is all that matters |
| 05:33.48 | bonez41 | it's on the board....... |
| 05:33.55 | bonez41 | oh, wait.... |
| 05:34.06 | bonez41 | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 02) |
| 05:34.10 | bonez41 | that' sthe video... |
| 05:36.58 | bonez41 | I hit ctl-alt-+ or - to change and it just reduces to 800x600 or so..but not to 1280x1024.. |
| 05:38.18 | bonez41 | rather no increase to 1280x1024..does this suggest those resolutions aren't in XF86Config? |
| 05:40.00 | Newsome | you're probably correct. check your X configuration file, and add 1280x1024 |
| 05:40.12 | bonez41 | ok.... |
| 05:40.33 | bonez41 | I have same machine downstairs..so I could just copry that section into the x conf for this machine, right? |
| 05:40.38 | bonez41 | that should work? |
| 05:40.54 | Newsome | sounds like it should |
| 05:43.29 | bonez41 | ok..... |
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| 06:04.21 | calvarez | BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:15.05 | bonez39 | who's up? |
| 06:15.18 | Tene | I am. |
| 06:15.44 | Tene | I couldn't help you last time, though, so maybe I should pretend that I'm not. |
| 06:16.26 | bonez39 | Tene, hi there....here's my question...how would I setup email....on a 2nd linux box..I have a registered domain, on another pc...to which I can ssh remotely....but I want to get email on this newly configured linux box..on the same home network |
| 06:16.45 | bonez39 | Tene, well, things are panning out..I am finding solutions .. for my partition table and such... |
| 06:17.59 | bonez39 | I have a domain for my work machine (when it's running).. but also a different domain here at home...I'd like to be able to email from eithe home or work..(r key is sticky)...and have it all coorrrrrrrrrrrrrrdinated |
| 06:18.23 | bonez39 | as well, having one location or the other as a fallback if one location fails......so that my email flow is unphased... |
| 06:18.37 | bonez39 | is this what ldap among other things would be used for? |
| 06:20.25 | Tene | Nope, imap. |
| 06:20.37 | Tene | dovecot is a good imap server |
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| 06:27.02 | Sargun | the shit: http://www.google.com/codesearch |
| 06:29.24 | bonez39 | ok, imap..... |
| 06:29.33 | bonez39 | rebooting...bb |
| 06:29.35 | bonez39 | r |
| 06:29.43 | Sargun | ok |
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| 11:01.33 | rupor | Hi from georgia. we come with peace. |
| 11:09.00 | Russian_Solder | anybody live? |
| 11:18.36 | emcnabb | no |
| 11:27.01 | Russian_Solder | Ok it's good. |
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| 12:39.50 | goozbach | http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/10/03/itunes-music-sore/ |
| 12:39.58 | goozbach | cool idea |
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| 13:28.48 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin southsky |
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| 13:29.10 | redbeard1 | hey spr |
| 13:29.48 | goozbach | SOO TIRED! |
| 13:30.06 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i'm with ya man |
| 13:33.59 | spr | morning redbeard1 |
| 13:35.58 | goozbach | so at 7:30pm yesterday I was ready for bed |
| 13:36.05 | goozbach | didn |
| 13:36.19 | goozbach | didn't get to sleep till after 1:30 this morning |
| 13:38.50 | redbeard1 | dude that sucks |
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| 14:17.57 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah | Read http://plug.org/node/28 | Keep the channel rated I (for ibot) | Tim Riker @ BYU-UUG, 7:30pm Oct. 5th (Tonight) | OALUG InstallFest @ WSU-Davis, October 12th 7:00PM |
| 14:18.30 | Supaplex | ouu |
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| 14:29.23 | levi | So tired too. |
| 14:30.54 | goozbach | the good news is that the new and improved neverblock customer console is that much closer to being done |
| 14:36.50 | Sargun | cool. |
| 14:37.55 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Sargun |
| 14:38.05 | Sargun | How'd he know I was here? |
| 14:38.27 | mheath[laptop] | Because I'm using IRC on a LiveCD and it doesn't have you on ignore |
| 14:38.34 | mheath[laptop] | Don't worry, you're going back on ignore right now :) |
| 14:38.53 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Sargun |
| 14:39.23 | mheath[laptop] | Need to go get my job today, and finishes configuring my new FreeBSD box |
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| 14:39.28 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.15 | Supaplex | haha |
| 14:40.40 | Sargun | goozbach, how'd you pull of xen console through http? |
| 14:40.50 | Sargun | ;-) |
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| 14:41.29 | scothoser | Morning everyone! |
| 14:41.32 | Supaplex | with netcat of course |
| 14:42.45 | Sargun | hm |
| 14:45.51 | mheath[laptop] | levi: I figured you'd get a kick out of my new project hosting server's hostname |
| 14:45.58 | mheath[laptop] | heath.boldygoingnowhere.org |
| 14:46.03 | levi | Heh. |
| 14:46.49 | mheath[laptop] | later this evening, I WILL BE EMPLOYED! |
| 14:46.51 | mheath[laptop] | Yah. |
| 14:48.50 | mheath[laptop] | I am doing this right, correct: |
| 14:48.53 | mheath[laptop] | heath# pwd |
| 14:48.56 | mheath[laptop] | /usr/ports/www/apache13 |
| 14:49.03 | mheath[laptop] | heath# make && make install |
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| 14:49.16 | Supaplex | make install implies make |
| 14:49.27 | mheath[laptop] | so I can just do a make install |
| 14:49.27 | mheath[laptop] | cool |
| 14:49.39 | Supaplex | I usually make clean install clean |
| 14:49.59 | Supaplex | my /usr/ports is shared via nfs |
| 14:50.03 | mheath[laptop] | Ports is so much simpler than Portage. |
| 14:50.07 | mheath[laptop] | I like it. |
| 14:50.08 | Supaplex | so just incase I forget :) |
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| 14:51.30 | mheath[laptop] | What movie is the quote "Well, I can't vouch for the vintage, but ultimately it's the company that matters." from? |
| 14:51.38 | mheath[laptop] | That popped into my head and it's been driving me insane |
| 14:52.11 | mheath[laptop] | Nevermind, I figured it out :) |
| 14:54.48 | goozbach | Sargun: it's not the http console |
| 14:55.12 | goozbach | it's a terminal based console |
| 14:57.08 | goozbach | using curses |
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| 15:16.10 | mheath[laptop] | Wow. Money. |
| 15:16.22 | mheath[laptop] | My dad gave me too much money. Just supposed to be enough to get gas in my car... |
| 15:17.37 | macnewbold | [OT] anyone in here use digg? http://digg.com/software/Free_web_based_app_launched_for_students_Gradefix_the_student_organizer |
| 15:18.03 | mheath[laptop] | How does one classify whats on topic and off topic in here? |
| 15:18.17 | mheath[laptop] | if THATS offtopic, I better watch out... |
| 15:19.02 | graphyx | mheath[laptop]: It is company promotion. |
| 15:19.11 | graphyx | But I doubt anyone really cares unless it gets out of hard. |
| 15:19.14 | graphyx | s/hard/hand/ |
| 15:19.22 | mheath[laptop] | Ah, I forgot it was commercial. |
| 15:21.10 | macnewbold | it runs on FreeBSD servers, on PHP/MySQL, using 100% open source software tools to build and run it |
| 15:21.35 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart levi for showing off |
| 15:21.43 | emcnabb | product? huh? |
| 15:21.57 | levi | Showing off? I'm just watching it on Google Video. |
| 15:22.03 | mheath[laptop] | Oh, nevermind. |
| 15:22.14 | levi | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2409496407757723940&q=dan+ingalls |
| 15:22.55 | mheath[laptop] | I like my tab completion |
| 15:22.59 | graphyx | ~bash mheath[laptop] |
| 15:23.02 | ibot | ACTION beats mheath[laptop] with ksh |
| 15:23.02 | mrpull | macnewbold: what is your relationship to it? |
| 15:23.15 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: ksh != ibot |
| 15:23.17 | mheath[laptop] | er |
| 15:23.20 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: ksh != bash |
| 15:24.55 | macnewbold | mrpull: I wrote all the PHP/MySQL code and almost all of the HTML/CSS |
| 15:25.06 | macnewbold | and helped develop the idea over the last 15-16 months |
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| 15:27.22 | redbeard1 | my wife has been sending me links all morning... and the last one managed to take out firefox, mplayer and gaim all in one shot |
| 15:27.51 | mheath[laptop] | why is your wife sending you links? |
| 15:28.10 | redbeard1 | she spends her mornings off looking at baby clothes |
| 15:28.33 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:28.41 | levi | That sounds familiar. :) |
| 15:28.44 | redbeard1 | yup |
| 15:28.48 | mheath[laptop] | wait |
| 15:28.55 | redbeard1 | hottopic just happens to be one of the places she looks at them |
| 15:29.08 | scothoser | Ahh.. Those were the days... |
| 15:29.38 | mheath[laptop] | isn't hottopic's concept of baby clothing litle black one pieces with things printed on them at varrying levels of inappropriateness for an infant? |
| 15:30.10 | redbeard1 | actually, their concept of baby clothes tends to be band onesies |
| 15:30.21 | redbeard1 | that's where we got the cure and social distortion onesies |
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| 15:30.41 | redbeard1 | this one wasn't quite baby clothes tho. it was a 24 to 36 month old sally costume (from nightmare before christmas) |
| 15:30.58 | mheath[laptop] | .... |
| 15:31.05 | mheath[laptop] | ~steal redbeard1's poor child |
| 15:31.19 | ibot | ACTION grabs redbeard1's poor child and gives it to mheath[laptop] |
| 15:31.31 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: that'll be hard, seeing as the kid won't be born for another 4 months |
| 15:31.54 | mheath[laptop] | ibot can walk through walls. Including the walls of the womb... |
| 15:32.13 | redbeard1 | that kind of scares me. |
| 15:33.27 | mheath[laptop] | I was going to try to come up with some whitty response to that, but I can't think of anything that matches the brilliance of this conversation thus far. |
| 15:33.31 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: just be glad we're not buying the kid stuff like this: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=212 |
| 15:34.04 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: what are you talking about? That seems more appropriate. |
| 15:34.26 | mheath[laptop] | And far more likely to give your child a decent life :P |
| 15:34.26 | redbeard1 | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=201 |
| 15:34.30 | redbeard1 | also a favorite |
| 15:34.43 | mheath[laptop] | again...:P |
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| 15:38.56 | scothoser | redbeard1: Did you check out the onesies on thinkgeek? They are pretty cool. ^_^ |
| 15:39.25 | redbeard1 | scothoser: yeah, my brother even bought us the perl one |
| 15:39.32 | redbeard1 | the wife's not very happy about that |
| 15:40.03 | mheath[laptop] | wow, this baby is really going to be messed up.... |
| 15:40.16 | mheath[laptop] | you're raising a perl coding toddler who listens to the cure |
| 15:40.46 | scothoser | And that's a bad thing? The child will have excellent taste in music. ^_^ |
| 15:40.59 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: siouxsie and the banshees too. the wife bought a siouxsie "peek-a-boo" onesie |
| 15:41.28 | mheath[laptop] | gah |
| 15:41.34 | mheath[laptop] | whats the TOD? |
| 15:41.42 | redbeard1 | TOD? |
| 15:41.43 | mheath[laptop] | this clock is screwed up |
| 15:41.53 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: Time on Deck, time of day, take your pick |
| 15:42.09 | mheath[laptop] | Ubuntu wants UTC but this clock is local and I'm too lazy / forgetful to do the conversion |
| 15:42.12 | mheath[laptop] | What hour is it? |
| 15:42.16 | redbeard1 | 9am |
| 15:42.27 | redbeard1 | i was hoping it meant "tostidos or doritos" |
| 15:42.31 | Supaplex | it's that time |
| 15:42.37 | Supaplex | Thu Oct 5 15:42:37 UTC 2006 |
| 15:42.42 | herlo | ~date |
| 15:42.44 | ibot | It is now 2006.10.05 15:42:44 GMT |
| 15:42.54 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: you're not helping. |
| 15:42.55 | ibot | no *you're* not helping. |
| 15:43.09 | Supaplex | hahaa |
| 15:43.19 | redbeard1 | meeting, bbiab |
| 15:43.33 | herlo | ibot: you are doing great, keep it up! |
| 15:43.34 | ibot | herlo: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:43.47 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart ibot |
| 15:43.49 | herlo | ibot: nevermind... |
| 15:44.19 | mheath[laptop] | this IRC client doesn't support non ASCII-characters :( |
| 15:44.33 | mheath[laptop] | I can use the cyrillic 'o' to trick ibot into larting himself, usually. |
| 15:44.57 | Supaplex | your irc client pwns you |
| 15:45.44 | mheath[laptop] | my irc client pwns a11 |
| 16:04.42 | mheath[laptop] | going to the bank, gas station, and to return some rented movies...be back in a bit. |
| 16:07.14 | redbeard1 | drat. |
| 16:07.33 | findlay | yet somehow I still seem to get paid for it |
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| 16:13.47 | Tene | mheath[laptop]: irssi supports utf8 just fine |
| 16:15.50 | findlay | Tene: do you know how to change the encoding in gnome-terminal? |
| 16:16.04 | Tene | no clue |
| 16:16.26 | findlay | hm, there's an "Input Methods" submenu |
| 16:16.48 | findlay | wonder what that does |
| 16:17.01 | Tene | that's for scim, uim, etc. I believe |
| 16:17.08 | Supaplex | it's so you can type right to left, not just read it right to left ;) |
| 16:17.48 | findlay | what about up to down? |
| 16:18.16 | findlay | or about order defined by some function? |
| 16:18.26 | findlay | or well defined chaotic order? |
| 16:18.29 | findlay | huh? |
| 16:18.38 | findlay | why aren't my needs being attended to? |
| 16:18.45 | findlay | I feel discriminated against |
| 16:19.32 | findlay | s/al/la/ |
| 16:19.38 | findlay | s/al/la/g |
| 16:19.44 | findlay | whatever |
| 16:23.05 | Supaplex | square shapes |
| 16:23.12 | levi | findlay: Would you prefer trapezoidal windows? |
| 16:23.59 | findlay | levi: I want arbitrarily shaped windows |
| 16:24.39 | redbeard1 | burtonesque windows |
| 16:24.45 | redbeard1 | that would be awesome |
| 16:24.46 | levi | I think you can make windows of more-or-less arbitrary shape in X. |
| 16:25.05 | levi | It's just not done very often. |
| 16:25.12 | findlay | but underneath they're still rectangles, right? |
| 16:25.13 | mrpull | isn't there an oclock or something like that |
| 16:25.16 | mrpull | that is a round window |
| 16:25.34 | mrpull | and has been around for a million years (or at least 10 that I can remember) |
| 16:25.36 | levi | findlay: No, they're bounded by shapes other than rectangles. |
| 16:25.45 | findlay | interesting |
| 16:25.59 | levi | Mp3 players seem to use that feature the most these days. |
| 16:26.48 | findlay | yeah |
| 16:27.30 | Tene | Heh. It took me a while to figure out what kind of mp3 player ran X. |
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| 16:30.44 | elg | -lart harleypig |
| 16:30.50 | harleypig | hah |
| 16:33.00 | harleypig | AH! |
| 16:33.05 | harleypig | Donkey! |
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| 16:37.50 | redbeard1 | donkey? |
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| 16:41.30 | findlay | ~worry |
| 16:44.00 | scothoser | harleypig: when did you start calling upon livestock? |
| 16:49.32 | redbeard1 | ~summon livestock |
| 16:49.35 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing livestock's coordinates |
| 16:50.13 | harleypig | No, donkey was the appropriate fuzzy icon |
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| 16:51.32 | rsimpkins | *If* I were to give $100 to the person who submitted the most local companies to plug.org in 4 days time - what do you all think the interest level would be? |
| 16:51.42 | scothoser | harleypig: I suppose it would be more fuzzy than, say, a hairless cat.. But couldn't you use something more fuzzy? Like a rabbit? |
| 16:52.05 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: probably better than now, but probably also not as good as you'd like |
| 16:52.18 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: I'm thinking the same thing. |
| 16:52.28 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: I'm not even sure $500 would get it to grow very much. |
| 16:52.42 | redbeard1 | that's the problem with programmers. one of their virtues is laziness. |
| 16:52.59 | rsimpkins | and some how even money can not motivate them. |
| 16:53.14 | rsimpkins | Unless it is an obcene amount. |
| 16:53.18 | redbeard1 | what they need is more hubris. |
| 16:53.51 | rsimpkins | The reason I'm wanting to see more there is that googling for 'utah linux companies' shows plug.org at the top of the list. |
| 16:53.51 | mrpull | rsimpkins: what is the push? it is great how it is... |
| 16:54.08 | rsimpkins | It is also the second highest entry point/search point apart from the front page. |
| 16:54.22 | rsimpkins | It is basically the most popular section of the site. |
| 16:54.58 | rsimpkins | Right now I think it is marginally useful. |
| 16:55.07 | rsimpkins | We need to have A LOT more companies in there for it to really be good. |
| 16:55.27 | rsimpkins | Esspecially companies that are smaller, use Linux in perhaps a limited way, etc. |
| 16:55.38 | mheath[laptop] | Ah, its even on the top of the list for live.com queries. |
| 16:55.46 | mheath[laptop] | live.com's search is horrible |
| 16:56.13 | mheath[laptop] | Theres queries where google with return dozens to hundreds of relevant resaults, while live.com will return 2 irrelevant results with the same query |
| 16:56.35 | mrpull | rsimpkins: how many hits that page get a day? |
| 16:57.06 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: For some reason irssi doesn't support utf8 on ehre |
| 16:57.07 | rsimpkins | mrpull: Oh gosh - this is PROVO you are talking about. Think on terms of months. ;) In that case it's about 150-200 a month. |
| 16:57.21 | mheath[laptop] | I try to copy a cryllic lower case o and it shows up as "V" |
| 16:57.28 | Tene | mheath[laptop]: you running it under screen with utf8 support in screen also? |
| 16:57.31 | Tene | /set utf |
| 16:57.52 | mheath[laptop] | Tene: I'm running it under gnome terminal right now |
| 16:58.10 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart ibt |
| 16:58.24 | mheath[laptop] | thats what happened when I tried to pase a cryllic "o" |
| 16:58.59 | rsimpkins | 52% of traffic to plug.org uses firefox. 67% use windows. |
| 16:59.12 | mrpull | rsimpkins: 200/month is fantastic |
| 16:59.12 | rsimpkins | 26% use linux. |
| 16:59.24 | mheath[laptop] | rsimpkins: wow. Good statistics :) |
| 16:59.28 | mheath[laptop] | better than most of the web |
| 16:59.34 | mheath[laptop] | ~praise ports |
| 16:59.35 | ibot | All hail ports! |
| 16:59.36 | rsimpkins | 0.17% use FreeBSD. ;) |
| 16:59.44 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart rsimpkins |
| 17:00.04 | rsimpkins | I think that 0.17 is mheath. :) |
| 17:01.04 | Tene | maquis has been using freebsd for a lot longer than mheath has |
| 17:01.13 | Tene | and is more active in the community too, I believe |
| 17:01.33 | mheath[laptop] | rsimpkins: I've visited the pllug website all of two times |
| 17:01.35 | rsimpkins | mrpull: With the 3d cake spill over traffic we had 1270 page views in one day. |
| 17:01.51 | mheath[laptop] | My FreeBSD box is 2 days old |
| 17:01.52 | rsimpkins | mheath[laptop]: Yeah, that is about right. :) |
| 17:01.56 | mheath[laptop] | and, afaik, has no web browser yet :P |
| 17:01.59 | atoponce | ö ô ø ò º ° õ ó |
| 17:02.21 | mheath[laptop] | atoponce: no, theres a plain cryllic lowercase "o" |
| 17:02.31 | mheath[laptop] | You can get ibot to lart himself and not have it appear weird |
| 17:03.48 | mheath[laptop] | has anyone else here noticed how Japanese the universe is in the Star Wars saga? |
| 17:04.03 | mheath[laptop] | The Jedi beliefs are very buddhist too. |
| 17:04.12 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=fungus@firebat.aros.net) |
| 17:04.31 | mheath[laptop] | The clothing, the culture.... |
| 17:04.59 | mheath[laptop] | The weapons and fighting |
| 17:05.08 | mheath[laptop] | It's all very, very Japanese. |
| 17:05.38 | harleyjpig | I think I'm turning japanese |
| 17:05.47 | rsimpkins | harleyjpig: Do you really think so? |
| 17:06.03 | mheath[laptop] | stay away from harleyjpig or you might catch the Japanese too... |
| 17:06.24 | redbeard1 | "he didn't give you gay, did he?" - homer simpson |
| 17:06.41 | rsimpkins | Jeremy - if you are in here - plug account activated. |
| 17:06.44 | harleypig | no |
| 17:06.46 | harleypig | no sex |
| 17:06.48 | harleypig | no drugs |
| 17:06.51 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.52 | harleypig | no women |
| 17:06.56 | harleypig | no fun |
| 17:06.57 | harleypig | no sin |
| 17:06.59 | harleypig | no you |
| 17:07.21 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: describing your hell? |
| 17:09.07 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: I was alive for 6 months in the 80's. |
| 17:09.10 | harleypig | meh ... mheath wasn't even *alive* in the 80s |
| 17:09.16 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:09.18 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: I was, barely :P |
| 17:09.25 | Tene | ibot: lart ibot |
| 17:09.34 | scothoser | Sweet! Thanks rsimpkins! Now I can add a company or two. ^_^ |
| 17:09.43 | rsimpkins | scothoser: right on! |
| 17:10.08 | rsimpkins | I really wish I could allow anon users to post companies - but we have already been comment spammed. |
| 17:10.20 | rsimpkins | Spent a weekend cleaning up that junk. |
| 17:10.51 | rsimpkins | I'm surprised that we have had several 'fake' people sign up for accounts as well. |
| 17:11.01 | rsimpkins | Perhaps bots or something. |
| 17:11.36 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: that's interesting. how do you know they're fake? |
| 17:11.49 | *** join/#utah amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-24-10-162-63.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:12.07 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: It is pretty obvious, that is why I think they are bots. So far I don't think we have any bad users. |
| 17:13.09 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@ip-216-73-177-176.hqglobal.net) |
| 17:15.10 | scothoser | I don't know, redbeard1 is a user, isn't he? ^_^ |
| 17:17.20 | Keighvin | ~lart the world |
| 17:18.10 | redbeard1 | ~haha Keighvin |
| 17:18.16 | ibot | ACTION beats Keighvin about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 17:18.36 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 17:19.33 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@205.122.50.21) |
| 17:19.36 | redbeard1 | feel the love |
| 17:19.58 | ^Migs^ | NO |
| 17:20.27 | rsimpkins | scothoser: hi there. what division of eBay is in Draper? It might make sense if I add that to the company name. |
| 17:20.29 | findlay | YES |
| 17:20.33 | mheath[laptop] | MAYBE |
| 17:20.49 | findlay | ~lol |
| 17:20.52 | ibot | i guess lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 17:20.52 | rsimpkins | NULL |
| 17:21.01 | findlay | ~heh |
| 17:21.02 | ibot | heh |
| 17:21.10 | Keighvin | LOL |
| 17:21.11 | redbeard1 | lol has grammar rules? |
| 17:21.22 | mheath[laptop] | Apparently. |
| 17:21.24 | findlay | ~grammer lol |
| 17:21.29 | redbeard1 | i've only ever needed one rule for lol |
| 17:21.29 | mheath[laptop] | ~grammar redbeard1 |
| 17:21.38 | findlay | ~gramma |
| 17:21.44 | Keighvin | ~Overstock |
| 17:21.45 | ibot | from memory, overstock is the EVIL COMPANY |
| 17:21.53 | rsimpkins | interesting. |
| 17:21.55 | harleypig | ~evil |
| 17:21.56 | ibot | i heard evil is something Microsoft bought from Satan, according to http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html |
| 17:22.13 | harleypig | ~lds |
| 17:22.14 | ibot | [lds] an acronym for Latter-Day Saint, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints |
| 17:22.19 | harleypig | ~catholic |
| 17:22.41 | rsimpkins | Gosh I love Utah. |
| 17:22.47 | findlay | heh, I read that as "something Microsoft bought from Sun" |
| 17:22.51 | harleypig | why? |
| 17:22.58 | rsimpkins | harleypig: It was a joke. |
| 17:23.10 | harleypig | so was my response |
| 17:23.21 | ^Migs^ | yeah, Utah is awesome |
| 17:23.22 | rsimpkins | so was my response to your response |
| 17:23.46 | harleypig | my response to your response to my response was informative |
| 17:23.55 | mheath[laptop] | Utah is awesome. |
| 17:24.04 | rsimpkins | my last response was just a lie. unlike this one. |
| 17:24.07 | findlay | my response was skew to your response trees |
| 17:24.09 | ^Migs^ | why is Overstock evil? |
| 17:24.17 | Keighvin | ~lart Overstock |
| 17:24.22 | mheath[laptop] | you know what else is awesome? A warm shower in the morning, taking your time to relax and enjoy it. |
| 17:24.23 | harleypig | my last response was inane |
| 17:24.37 | mheath[laptop] | there are few things in this world nicer than a warm shower. |
| 17:24.41 | Keighvin | Which is why no got donkey'd again, harleypig. |
| 17:24.43 | ^Migs^ | you know what I like to do? I like to turn off the lots, get in the shower and just sit down and let the water spray on me in the dark |
| 17:24.43 | rsimpkins | this response is just verbose. |
| 17:24.50 | ^Migs^ | it works better with a shower/tub combo |
| 17:24.52 | harleypig | Keighvin: you missed |
| 17:24.57 | ^Migs^ | just let the tub fill up as the shower sprinkles down |
| 17:24.59 | ^Migs^ | in the dark |
| 17:25.02 | findlay | it's all your fault I'm not getting any work done |
| 17:25.03 | ^Migs^ | omg, so relaxing |
| 17:25.08 | findlay | ~blame #utah |
| 17:25.09 | ibot | ACTION blames #utah (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 17:25.14 | harleypig | ^Migs^: your lots are turned on? |
| 17:25.22 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^: No, a normal shower is better. |
| 17:25.26 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:25.32 | ^Migs^ | my method of showering is the best |
| 17:25.35 | harleypig | My kids have learned not to turn on the lights when I'm taking a shower early in the morning. |
| 17:25.58 | harleypig | missed again |
| 17:26.16 | Keighvin | I've only got 2 more before I run out of soft things. |
| 17:26.19 | harleypig | I'm gonna send something a little heavier over |
| 17:26.26 | mheath[laptop] | OK, turn the water on right now. OK, turn the water off right now. OK, put soap on your left arm. OK, put soap on your right arm. [....] OK, turn the water on right now. OK, rinse off the front of your body right now. OK, rinse off the back of your body, right now. |
| 17:26.31 | mheath[laptop] | Try showering like THAT. |
| 17:26.54 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: you have strange hobbies. |
| 17:27.03 | redbeard1 | no offense |
| 17:27.16 | harleypig | mheath[laptop]: boot is designed for *two* things: |
| 17:27.31 | harleypig | breaking down your individuality and helping you to survive as a pow. |
| 17:27.40 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: Yes. I enjoy having scary gentelment with strangely shaped covers teach me how to shower. |
| 17:27.53 | mheath[laptop] | *strangely shaped hats |
| 17:27.59 | redbeard1 | to each his own, i suppose |
| 17:28.21 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: indeed. |
| 17:28.23 | macnewbold | so is that within the I rating requested by the topic? |
| 17:28.33 | harleypig | god help you if you woke up with morningwood! |
| 17:28.40 | mheath[laptop] | ....That isn't. |
| 17:28.51 | mheath[laptop] | ~ibot harleypig |
| 17:28.52 | ibot | [harleypig] rumored to not be "all up there". Hagrid's stunt double, or a PITA!, or the local RMS figure |
| 17:29.00 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart harleypig |
| 17:29.01 | harleypig | ? |
| 17:29.04 | harleypig | Local RMS? |
| 17:29.12 | harleypig | Not even close. |
| 17:29.18 | Jayce^ | you do look and smell like him :) |
| 17:29.22 | harleypig | For one thing I take a shower at least twice a week. |
| 17:29.26 | Jayce^ | alhtough size is different |
| 17:29.27 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 17:29.33 | ^Migs^ | usually |
| 17:29.35 | harleypig | size matters? |
| 17:29.44 | ^Migs^ | what's the longest you've ever gone without a shower? |
| 17:29.56 | harleypig | ummm ... mheath[laptop] don't go there, mmkay? |
| 17:30.08 | harleypig | ^Migs^: who me? |
| 17:30.12 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 17:30.15 | ^Migs^ | anyone who wants to answer |
| 17:30.19 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^: many people do. |
| 17:30.39 | mheath[laptop] | 2 days tops :P |
| 17:30.43 | harleypig | In civilization and after my teenage years 3 days is the most I've gone without showering. |
| 17:30.53 | ^Migs^ | I went 6 months without showering once |
| 17:31.00 | mheath[laptop] | Good job. |
| 17:31.09 | ^Migs^ | it's okay, I showered this morning |
| 17:31.09 | harleypig | Does dirt bath count? |
| 17:31.23 | ^Migs^ | I'm not counting dirt baths |
| 17:31.27 | Supaplex | if your a chinchilla |
| 17:31.27 | harleypig | ^Migs^: First time in six months? |
| 17:31.34 | Jayce^ | harleyjpig, so you are saying you remember when civilization started? I mean I knew you were old and everything.. .but really.. |
| 17:31.39 | rsimpkins | I did some deep desert backpacking for about 2 weeks. Hard enough to just carry the water you need - let alone enough to actually shower in. |
| 17:31.43 | goozbach | I have to shower every morning |
| 17:31.45 | ^Migs^ | wanna know why I want so long? Because during that time I took baths! lolololooollololololollololomgrofl |
| 17:31.49 | harleypig | Hmmm ... the time I was homeless I went without a shower for nearly 9 months. |
| 17:31.51 | ^Migs^ | s/want/went/ |
| 17:31.59 | goozbach | if I didn't I'd never be awake to drive to work |
| 17:32.19 | ^Migs^ | camping doesn't count |
| 17:32.29 | rsimpkins | I'm way to out of shape to do anything like that now. |
| 17:32.34 | goozbach | s/awake/awake enough/ |
| 17:32.38 | ^Migs^ | it's acceptable to stink when you're camping |
| 17:33.07 | mheath[laptop] | Filthy...Absolutely disgusting... |
| 17:33.44 | mheath[laptop] | ..Carry on. |
| 17:34.06 | mheath[laptop] | The vat of herring is courtesy of Keighvin? |
| 17:34.08 | rsimpkins | Okay - why are we tearing apart a local company? |
| 17:34.09 | mheath[laptop] | Or the plopping |
| 17:34.21 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, experience :) |
| 17:34.22 | rsimpkins | Is anyone from overstock.com in here to fight back? |
| 17:34.40 | harleypig | at least one previous employee |
| 17:35.02 | Keighvin | And he's doing all the bashing. |
| 17:35.48 | redbeard1 | i suppose i could volunteer to help with the bashing |
| 17:35.54 | redbeard1 | just doing my part and all |
| 17:36.01 | harleypig | bash |
| 17:36.06 | harleypig | bash bash |
| 17:36.09 | redbeard1 | ~bash |
| 17:36.11 | ibot | sh-compatible command language interpreter. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/, or ugly, or another word for a 'do' |
| 17:36.22 | harleypig | Badges! We don' need no steenkin' badges! |
| 17:36.36 | redbeard1 | i bet overstock uses csh or something |
| 17:36.42 | redbeard1 | or at least misuses csh |
| 17:36.47 | harleypig | cmd |
| 17:36.53 | *** join/#utah vex (n=vex@216.194.126.99) |
| 17:36.55 | redbeard1 | i never liked csh much |
| 17:36.59 | Keighvin | Actually it's a mixed environment - csh and bash both. |
| 17:37.05 | redbeard1 | i did like social d's cover of ring of fire tho |
| 17:37.12 | redbeard1 | ha ha! bad puns! |
| 17:37.20 | Keighvin | csh so that the c development paradigm can be carried into the os interaction ni scripting. |
| 17:37.20 | harleypig | I like Johnny Cash's cover of Ring of Fire |
| 17:37.44 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: badgers? we don't need no stinking badgers. |
| 17:37.47 | redbeard1 | harleypig: yeah, i didn't like his cover much. he should have just left it to the experts. |
| 17:37.56 | harleypig | mheath[laptop]: SNAAAKE! |
| 17:38.05 | harleypig | oooo |
| 17:38.11 | mheath[laptop] | O.o |
| 17:39.17 | harleypig | I have no cage ... the cage is your attempt to apply structure to my chaos |
| 17:39.43 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: I thought the marine corps already did that. |
| 17:39.52 | harleypig | pheh |
| 17:40.00 | harleypig | Not for more than 20 years. |
| 17:40.28 | mheath[laptop] | it has a timelimit? after that, the training self distructs and we're left with...harleypig. |
| 17:40.50 | harleypig | No, the training is mutated |
| 17:40.56 | redbeard1 | harleypig: still, as well as being orderly in the sense of being deterministic, chaotic systems usually have well defined statistics |
| 17:41.04 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: I have a fascinating article I think you'll enjoy: http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Nail-Art |
| 17:41.15 | redbeard1 | for example, the lorentz system is chaotic, but has a clearly defined structure |
| 17:41.36 | harleypig | mheath[laptop]: won't work ... I bite my nails too much. |
| 17:41.47 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: down to the quick? :P |
| 17:42.10 | harleypig | Til they bleed |
| 17:43.02 | rsimpkins | Are there any really experienced SySdmins out there? We are looking for a pretty experienced SA. 5+ years FT Linux experience. |
| 17:43.19 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig: you can still do some of these: http://www.fjsmjs.com/Mary/fingerpuppets.htm |
| 17:43.47 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: did that guy i told you about ever send you his resume? |
| 17:44.03 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart experience |
| 17:44.07 | goozbach | vim question: |
| 17:44.17 | goozbach | how do I turn the autoindent into a tab |
| 17:44.24 | goozbach | as opposed to multiple spaces? |
| 17:44.31 | mheath[laptop] | I think I'm going to scare the people at my old job when I go back. |
| 17:44.35 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: I think so, but no cover letter. It's a professional position - no real effort means it goes to /dev/null. |
| 17:44.39 | mheath[laptop] | In person, I'm a very different person now. |
| 17:44.53 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: makes sense. |
| 17:45.34 | harleypig | Systems that exhibit mathematical chaos are deterministic and thus orderly in some sense; this technical use of the word chaos is at odds with common parlance, which suggests complete disorder. |
| 17:45.34 | Keighvin | goozbach: shiftwidth has to match tabwidth |
| 17:45.54 | findlay | heh, chaos |
| 17:45.56 | harleypig | goozbach: noexpandtab |
| 17:46.01 | findlay | like anybody knows what that really is |
| 17:46.03 | Keighvin | Beyond that, it's default to use tab characters unless something in the .vimrc turns them off. |
| 17:46.13 | Keighvin | Like harleypig says. |
| 17:46.38 | harleypig | Rub your tummy and pat your head. |
| 17:47.00 | harleypig | PIRANHAS IN THE BIDET!!! |
| 17:47.05 | findlay | while humming mozart backwards |
| 17:47.33 | harleypig | don't forget to include messages about doing bad things |
| 17:47.52 | harleypig | Nobody know what a bidet is do they. |
| 17:48.17 | redbeard1 | harleypig: how deterministic are you then? |
| 17:49.16 | harleypig | I guess I don't qualify as a dynamical chaotic system, more of a catalytic chaotic system |
| 17:49.44 | Keighvin | harleypig: Unfortunately, my hous ecame with one. |
| 17:49.44 | harleypig | redbeard1: I believe in multi-person solipsism |
| 17:49.45 | Keighvin | I'm thinking of pulling it out and expanding the shower to incorporate the plumming into a separate head. |
| 17:49.48 | graphyx | harleypig: who wants a bidet. |
| 17:49.54 | redbeard1 | well, you certainly do posses the ability to topologically mix |
| 17:50.05 | graphyx | harleypig: I am quite confortable just using the domestic paper based system. |
| 17:50.07 | Keighvin | The shower alread has 2, but they come from a single control. |
| 17:50.28 | harleypig | graphyx: Yeah, less chance of getting piranhas by mistake |
| 17:50.59 | harleypig | But my periodic orbits aren't dense |
| 17:51.13 | mheath[laptop] | You have new mail. |
| 17:51.24 | mheath[laptop] | Why does FreeBSD insist on telling me that after every command? |
| 17:51.36 | harleypig | because you haven't checked your mail |
| 17:51.41 | harleypig | It must be important |
| 17:51.45 | harleypig | or spam |
| 17:51.49 | harleypig | or a scam |
| 17:51.58 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: check /etc/mail_annoyance.conf |
| 17:52.02 | Keighvin | harleypig: That may not be a hard-fast prerequisite - but in order to induce chaos the interaction of a dense orbit is required. |
| 17:52.04 | findlay | (: |
| 17:52.16 | goozbach | Keighvin: harleypig tks |
| 17:52.29 | harleypig | I do *NOT* team kill! |
| 17:52.34 | harleypig | well, only accidentally. |
| 17:52.36 | harleypig | Sometimes. |
| 17:52.39 | Keighvin | It's because sensitivity to initial conditions means that each point in such a system is arbitrarily closely approximated by other points with significantly different future trajectories. |
| 17:52.54 | harleypig | But my points aren't that close. |
| 17:53.23 | Keighvin | Otherwise, an arbitrarily small perturbation of the current trajectory couln't lead to significantly different future behavior. |
| 17:53.38 | maquis | ooh... vim7 is cool |
| 17:53.53 | harleypig | A voice of reason |
| 17:53.57 | harleypig | everybody jump on her! |
| 17:54.06 | Keighvin | mheath[laptop]: Leave me out of your tk plots. |
| 17:54.08 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: not as cool as emacs |
| 17:54.22 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: i thought you didn't like that debate |
| 17:54.43 | mheath[laptop] | gah |
| 17:54.46 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart harleypig |
| 17:54.47 | Keighvin | It's not usually it's a debate - more of latent flame war. Or would that just be a smolderfest? |
| 17:54.51 | mheath[laptop] | ~emacs redbeard1 |
| 17:55.02 | harleypig | hah |
| 17:55.09 | mheath[laptop] | ~flame redbeard1 |
| 17:55.11 | ibot | redbeard1 sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 17:55.14 | harleypig | maquis: what part of vim7 do you like |
| 17:55.15 | Keighvin | I used to present an interview question, "Why is vi better than emacs? Why are either much much better than Microsoft Visual Studio?" |
| 17:55.27 | ^Migs^ | that's stupid |
| 17:55.36 | mheath[laptop] | Thats great |
| 17:55.37 | redbeard1 | apparently i'm immune to emacs, but somehow fire turns me into a script kiddie |
| 17:55.38 | harleypig | wheeeee |
| 17:55.55 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't want to work for you if that was one of your questions |
| 17:55.59 | harleypig | i though fire revealed ... |
| 17:56.26 | mheath[laptop] | Keighvin: OMG, vim is like totally better because it like has modes and stuff |
| 17:56.35 | Keighvin | It exposed the prejudices of the organization in an informal and humorous way, and also elicited a response from the candidate that allowed us to gauge a) whether they could work in that informal manner, and b) if they knew wtf we were talking about. |
| 17:56.40 | mheath[laptop] | Keighvin: and it like totally owns visual studio. MS sux0rz |
| 17:57.27 | harleypig | vim has its *own* obscure scripting language as opposed to emacs which forces you to learn a decent programming language. |
| 17:57.31 | mheath[laptop] | I think thats what stopped me from getting the backcountry.com job....too formal |
| 17:57.32 | levi | Silly prejudiced organizations. :) |
| 17:57.43 | mheath[laptop] | Thats what I get for interviewing there days after I get home fromr bootcamp |
| 17:57.57 | mheath[laptop] | "Well, sir...(you don't have to call me sir.) Sorry, sir..." |
| 17:58.17 | harleypig | Just think of me as a butterfly. |
| 17:59.03 | Keighvin | So, what trajectories are you intending to alter into a cascade of large-scale phenomena? |
| 17:59.04 | levi | harleyjpig: Though it is an old and decrepit version of a decent programming language. |
| 17:59.34 | harleypig | as many as possible |
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| 18:00.12 | elg | ~sigourney harleypig |
| 18:00.22 | harleypig | I'd like that ... :> |
| 18:01.27 | Keighvin | harleypig: How? The sensitivity to the initial conditions is subtle since it depends on a choice of metric, or the notion of distance in the phase space of the system. |
| 18:02.25 | Keighvin | (hence earlier comments about the density of said orbits) |
| 18:02.40 | harleypig | I am both an attractor and a repellant, and my size and uniqueness makes people think about me when they least expect it. |
| 18:03.06 | harleypig | The added mental images of me in a day-glo orange speedo or wearing just a jock-strap bouncing on a diving board adds to that. |
| 18:03.20 | harleypig | *poink* |
| 18:03.20 | harleypig | :D |
| 18:03.23 | Keighvin | But topologically mixing means that the system will evolve over time so that any given region or open set of its phase space will eventually overlap with any other given region. |
| 18:03.58 | Keighvin | If you're devolving your status as an actuator in the system to a quantum state, then traditional theories and postulates fail to apply. |
| 18:04.06 | harleypig | That's why I'm trying to come up with another mentally disturbing image. People have gotten used to those two mental images. |
| 18:04.06 | Keighvin | Unless we assume stringification. |
| 18:04.22 | harleypig | Hmmm ... me in a string bikini |
| 18:04.45 | redbeard1 | that certainly is stringified |
| 18:04.49 | harleypig | my point |
| 18:04.54 | Keighvin | Or were you meaning chaotic behavior as found only in a subset of phase space? |
| 18:05.13 | Keighvin | Maybe you're a strange attractor. |
| 18:05.38 | harleypig | that's what I meant ... I'm bother an attractor and a repellant. Like a train wreck |
| 18:05.46 | mheath[laptop] | He certainly does attract strange things. |
| 18:05.48 | redbeard1 | harleypig: you seem to be more intent on taking advantage of others' sensitivity to initial conditions rather than contemplating your own |
| 18:06.17 | harleypig | well, I can't gaze into my own navel, so I have to start somewhere. |
| 18:06.31 | mheath[laptop] | O.o |
| 18:06.39 | maquis | harleypig: so far, i'm liking the drop-down menu for tab-complete, although i'm starting to think that it might get annoying |
| 18:07.08 | harleypig | I don't think one can die of revultion, or revulsion even. |
| 18:07.16 | mheath[laptop] | How about revolution? |
| 18:07.26 | harleypig | maquis: that's taking some getting used to |
| 18:07.32 | redbeard1 | you say you want a revolution? |
| 18:07.38 | harleypig | mheath[laptop]: people always die in a revolution |
| 18:07.40 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: died? |
| 18:07.41 | mheath[laptop] | You know, we all want to change the world. |
| 18:08.01 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb: dead? |
| 18:08.09 | emcnabb | 14:04 * mheath[laptop] dies |
| 18:08.15 | emcnabb | doh |
| 18:08.48 | mheath[laptop] | My god, I'm sounding too harleypigish. |
| 18:09.19 | harleypig | eh? |
| 18:09.24 | mheath[laptop] | Meh. |
| 18:09.28 | harleypig | pheh |
| 18:10.04 | Keighvin | zuh. |
| 18:10.29 | mheath[laptop] | zing |
| 18:11.17 | ^Migs^ | bwah??? |
| 18:11.26 | tensai | redbeard1: did you see that The French Laundry got 3 Michelin stars? |
| 18:11.32 | tensai | looking at their menu, I can understand why |
| 18:11.34 | tensai | http://www.frenchlaundry.com/tfl/TFLMenu0406.pdf |
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| 18:12.38 | ^Migs^ | tuxd00d!!!!!!111111 |
| 18:12.51 | tuxd00d | hey ^Migs^ |
| 18:13.03 | ^Migs^ | sorry I wasn't on last night. Had a bit of a family emergency. |
| 18:13.10 | tuxd00d | no a problem |
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| 18:13.25 | tuxd00d | I spent the night with my wife |
| 18:13.30 | tuxd00d | it all worked out |
| 18:13.34 | ^Migs^ | cool beans |
| 18:15.28 | mheath[laptop] | tensai: their menu doesn't impress me that much personally....seems kind of trendy / artsy. And overpriced. :P |
| 18:15.44 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 18:15.48 | ^Migs^ | oysters? who eats oysters? |
| 18:16.29 | mheath[laptop] | "Broiled fillet of Japanese 'anago', 'koshihikari' rice, 'edamame', red radishes, and barrel-aged 'tamari' glaze" |
| 18:16.54 | mheath[laptop] | Thats strikes me as trying to make it sound like its nicer than it is by using Japanese words the person isn't familiar with. |
| 18:17.17 | mheath[laptop] | koshihikari rice is just a type of rice plant. Its a premium rice, but nothing too special about it. |
| 18:17.18 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 18:17.27 | mheath[laptop] | edamame is just soy beans |
| 18:18.09 | mheath[laptop] | Tamari sauce is just a kind of premium soy sauce. |
| 18:18.14 | ^Migs^ | they didn't count on mheath's extensive knowledge of Japanese |
| 18:18.40 | tensai | <sarcasm type="dripping">mheath or michelin guide. it's so hard to decide who I trust more</sarcasm> |
| 18:18.51 | ^Migs^ | pwned |
| 18:19.19 | mheath[laptop] | tensai: All I'm saying is, that Japanese thing sounds really embellished. |
| 18:19.33 | mheath[laptop] | Its just a cut of fish served on rice with soybeans and soy sauce, basically. |
| 18:19.52 | mheath[laptop] | Albeit premium ingredients |
| 18:20.48 | findlay | does sarcasm taste better when it's dripping? |
| 18:20.58 | ^Migs^ | to the sarcazzer probably |
| 18:21.14 | findlay | dripping with water? |
| 18:21.38 | ^Migs^ | no, dripping with sarcasm |
| 18:21.40 | tensai | I think that's the point. saying koshihikari tells you it's not just rice. I'm confident that the taste would speak for itself. |
| 18:21.42 | findlay | can I get it in any resteraunts around here? |
| 18:21.55 | ^Migs^ | dripping is an attribute |
| 18:21.57 | mheath[laptop] | mm, I was wrong. Apparently anago is an eel. |
| 18:22.24 | mheath[laptop] | And, according to wikipedia, not a very popular type of eel (it's saltwater, freshwater is more popular) |
| 18:22.45 | mheath[laptop] | "Anago is also slightly less rich and oily than Unagi" |
| 18:22.45 | ^Migs^ | I'd hate to be an unpopular eel |
| 18:23.15 | ^Migs^ | is Unagi the eel you'd want to be? |
| 18:23.42 | mheath[laptop] | Yes |
| 18:24.26 | mheath[laptop] | tensai: but koshihikari IS just rice. Saying that koshihikari isn't rice is like saying that Granny Smith Apples aren't apples in comparison to Red Delicious. |
| 18:24.40 | mheath[laptop] | koshihikari is just a type of rice plant.. |
| 18:25.14 | mheath[laptop] | tensai: I'm not saying that the menu doesn't look good....just that it seems really artsy and weird, and a bit embellished...trying to make it sound like its more premium than it is. |
| 18:25.34 | mheath[laptop] | The kind of place rich people go, not the kind of place you go when you just want yummy food |
| 18:26.20 | Tene | I don't consider Red Delicious apples to be apples that I'd eat. |
| 18:26.55 | mheath[laptop] | Reminds me of this place here in Ogden...Jasoh (some of those characters have punctuation). Really weird, artsy menu. Pizza with Duck? |
| 18:27.15 | mheath[laptop] | Overpriced for the quality. |
| 18:27.29 | redbeard1 | i hate haute pizza |
| 18:27.39 | redbeard1 | ~lart wolfgang puck |
| 18:27.45 | mheath[laptop] | Field Rhubarb Sorbet....THAT sounds good! |
| 18:27.57 | mheath[laptop] | A common easy thing to make, but good |
| 18:28.30 | macnewbold | once in canada I was perplexed but intrigued by a pizza on the menu that said it came with bacon on it, among a bunch of other toppings. everything became clear though once the pizza had arrived at the table... |
| 18:28.45 | mheath[laptop] | When I go out to eat and want a really good meal, I go to the tiny little family ran Chinese restraunt, or the out of the way Italian bistro. |
| 18:29.10 | mheath[laptop] | I don't go to the famous, uber expensive, classy restraunt, unless I want the atmosphere for a romantic date or something. |
| 18:29.26 | tensai | mheath[laptop]: I didn't say it wasn't rice. I said it wasn't *just* rice. they're specifying the type, much like they didn't just say "eel". |
| 18:29.53 | tensai | they're definitely trying to be fancy. from what I hear, it's working well for them. that doesn't detract from other places though. |
| 18:30.16 | mheath[laptop] | hmmm. www.jasoh.com is broken for me |
| 18:30.18 | tensai | at $210 a person, I don't expect I'll be going there any time soon but I would love to do it someday |
| 18:30.21 | mheath[laptop] | maybe it needs flash or something |
| 18:30.51 | redbeard1 | tensai: which place is this? i think i missed something. |
| 18:31.01 | tensai | redbeard1: French Laundry |
| 18:31.10 | tensai | redbeard1: I was noting that they got 3 Michelin stars |
| 18:31.28 | redbeard1 | ah, yes. it's actually closer to $150/person, isn't it? |
| 18:31.38 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: the menu says the price is $210 |
| 18:31.38 | tensai | redbeard1: the tasting menu is $210 |
| 18:31.46 | redbeard1 | oh man. i didn't know that. |
| 18:31.55 | redbeard1 | i've always wanted to try their tasting menu. |
| 18:32.09 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: ever heard of / eaten at Jasoh's in Ogden? |
| 18:32.30 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: fraid not. don't make it up there very often. |
| 18:33.47 | redbeard1 | tensai: i'm hoping to be able to visit charlie trotter's next year. i'm saving up for it. |
| 18:34.17 | mheath[laptop] | tensai: redbeard1 seems to agree that $210 is a bit pricey for the fare :P |
| 18:34.50 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: what do you like better, AAA diamond rating or Michelin stars? |
| 18:35.20 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: hardly. i've wanted to go to the french laundry for years. $210 for the experience of a lifetime may be more than i can afford right now, but i do plan on trying to do it. |
| 18:35.46 | mheath[laptop] | bah. |
| 18:35.55 | mheath[laptop] | I still think that Japanese dish is embellished on the menu. |
| 18:36.08 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: um. i don't go much off of ratings, actually. if anything tho, i go with zagat reviews. |
| 18:37.32 | redbeard1 | tensai: i picked up the french laundry cookbook a few months ago. next time you're down here, you'll have to check it out. |
| 18:42.51 | findlay | with a garnish of sarcasm |
| 18:43.06 | findlay | dripped sarcasm, that is |
| 18:43.27 | redbeard1 | findlay: it's french, so it's a little smelly, but everyone else seems to like it |
| 18:43.31 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: so where is your new job? |
| 18:56.23 | levi | Huh. |
| 18:56.39 | redbeard1 | levi: huh? |
| 18:56.49 | levi | I'm looking at a PDF of the Principia Mathematica, and Alfred North Whitehead holds a Sc.D. |
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| 18:57.00 | redbeard1 | i didn't know that |
| 18:58.51 | levi | Which is primarily interesting in relation to a recent discussion, in which it was asked why we get a MS in CS but a Ph.D instead of a Sc.D. |
| 18:59.38 | levi | I still don't know why, but at least I know that people used to get Sc.D. degrees now. |
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| 19:03.27 | levi | According to Wikipedia, Sc.D degrees are still awarded. |
| 19:03.43 | levi | Though they are far less common than Ph.Ds. |
| 19:03.45 | redbeard1 | levi: at which schools? |
| 19:04.24 | levi | George Washington, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, MIT, and Queen's. |
| 19:04.34 | graphyx | whats Sc. Ds? |
| 19:04.41 | macnewbold | what page on wikipedia are you looking at? |
| 19:04.44 | levi | Doctor of Science |
| 19:04.55 | levi | The Doctor of Science page. |
| 19:05.57 | findlay | Dr. Science rules |
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| 19:15.42 | findlay | www.drscience.com |
| 19:16.08 | redbeard1 | "Ask Dr. Science.... He knows more than you do!" |
| 19:16.19 | redbeard1 | Dr Science seems a little ego-centric to me |
| 19:16.26 | findlay | "That's right." |
| 19:16.37 | redbeard1 | he's got a killer beard tho. |
| 19:17.14 | redbeard1 | it would seem from his bio, however, that he is in the business of giving too much information |
| 19:17.36 | findlay | indeed |
| 19:17.47 | findlay | excellent hyperbole for a boring afternoon |
| 19:32.05 | Keighvin | ~lart boring afternoon. |
| 19:32.21 | Keighvin | s/afternoon./afternoon/ |
| 19:32.51 | Keighvin | s/~/-/ |
| 19:33.02 | Keighvin | s/// |
| 19:35.04 | tensai | what an exciting adventure |
| 19:35.17 | tensai | on of our routers keeps running out of memory |
| 19:35.24 | tensai | s/on of/one of/ |
| 19:36.13 | mrpull | tensai: what kinda router? |
| 19:36.20 | tensai | cisco 7206 |
| 19:37.10 | mrpull | running BGP? |
| 19:37.51 | findlay | or PGB? |
| 19:38.25 | findlay | (peanut garnish bread) |
| 19:38.35 | tensai | mrpull: yes |
| 19:39.36 | tensai | its NPE300 is maxed out at 256MB, so we can't just add any more |
| 19:39.45 | mrpull | ahhh... no fun |
| 19:39.52 | tensai | we're not convinced it's not a leak, though. so here I am doing an IOS upgrade. |
| 19:40.31 | scothoser | Argh! |
| 19:40.47 | scothoser | ~lart high school graphic art teachers who can't code HTML |
| 19:40.53 | levi | This is one of the coolest videos ever: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~gfx/Courses/2004/Intro.Spring.04/Lectures/samech-lacool.mov |
| 19:40.57 | mrpull | i have seen IOS leak memory on the past |
| 19:41.15 | mrpull | but memory upgrades have been the solution 95% of the time |
| 19:42.07 | tensai | we're also switching to a smaller feature set which should help at least a little bit |
| 19:42.26 | mrpull | do you run full BGP tables? do you need to? |
| 19:43.06 | tensai | I'm not sure. we probably are but we probably don't need to. |
| 19:50.36 | mrpull | if you don't, that is a good way to save a lot of memory |
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| 19:55.10 | tensai | sweet. there's another 7MB. I turned off route flows. |
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| 19:56.45 | Supaplex | I save memory by stopping fungus. ;) |
| 19:58.42 | tensai | er, netflows I guess it is. it's always bugged me that the feature is called netflows but the command is "ip route-cache flow" |
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| 20:17.58 | elg | I've been walking in the rain just to get wet, on purpose |
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| 20:19.22 | scothoser | elg: that sounds like a good idea! Just the thing to clear the head.. |
| 20:19.27 | scothoser | brb |
| 20:20.14 | elg | is it raining there? LUCKY!!!1! |
| 20:24.17 | bonez39 | if /sbin/init is corrupted.....1) would the system let me know with any warning and 2) could I replace just /sbin/init or would I need to reinstall? |
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| 20:28.49 | bonez39 | I ran testdisk on my drive..and it found all partitions, wrote what it thought was correct back to the drive...and I can see all the drives, but boot hangs.....after reporting about VFS file system....and journaling... |
| 20:29.01 | Keighvin | bonez39: depends on your msec, iirc |
| 20:29.01 | bonez39 | would a corrupted init cause this? or could it? |
| 20:30.26 | bonez39 | Keighvin, sorry, I have no idea what my 'msec' even is..... |
| 20:32.05 | Keighvin | msec is a blanket of security checks that lock down and restore key settings, and can walk and verify file checksums and digests. |
| 20:32.21 | Keighvin | Again, iirc. Been a while since I've had to muddle with any of that. |
| 20:33.31 | bonez39 | oh.....ok... |
| 20:33.33 | ^Migs^ | you guys are such geeks |
| 20:33.38 | ^Migs^ | just fyi |
| 20:36.55 | Keighvin | ~lart Keighvin the geek |
| 20:37.57 | harleypig | ^Migs^: and you're not? |
| 20:38.56 | ^Migs^ | oh, but this isn't about me. |
| 20:39.50 | harleypig | ah |
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| 20:40.44 | goozbach | BAAAHHH!!! |
| 20:40.50 | goozbach | I want this day to end! |
| 20:40.53 | Keighvin | Yay! mplayer source configs no longer complain about the updated version of gcc on my system. |
| 20:44.27 | TimRiker | still no annoucement up on http://uug.byu.edu/ about tonight? |
| 20:45.38 | bonez39 | Keighvin, back to my question though....let me clarify it...I am booted with knoppix cd..I notice that knoppix' /sbin/init file is 35244 with a date of mar 27, 06..which my /sda1/sbin/init is 31432 with date of jan 4, 05... Are 'init' files interchangeable,, or are they custom fit...for each installation? can I take the one from knoppix and install it to my local hard drive..and try booting with it that way? |
| 20:49.39 | Keighvin | What distro are you running? |
| 20:54.08 | mheath[laptop] | mheath version 2.0, now with an included job! |
| 20:56.16 | mheath[laptop] | yah |
| 20:56.23 | mheath[laptop] | Plus officially accepted @ UoU |
| 20:56.35 | scothoser | Congrats! |
| 20:56.39 | mheath[laptop] | didn't get the official thing in the mail yet, but their online admissions tracking system says I'm admitted |
| 20:56.41 | rsimpkins | TimRiker: He submitted it to plug.org. ;) |
| 20:56.50 | ^Migs^ | Weber > UofU |
| 20:57.03 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 20:57.45 | mheath[laptop] | BECAUSE THE FREAKIN MARINE CORPS STILL DID NOT SEND ME A CHECK. |
| 20:57.47 | mheath[laptop] | Ahem. |
| 20:58.40 | tuxd00d | TimRiker: I'll be there, working in the Wilk right now |
| 20:58.52 | tuxd00d | BYU-UUG says site is broken |
| 20:59.22 | tuxd00d | mheath[laptop]: get a slave job, fast food? |
| 21:00.43 | bonez39 | Keighvin, on my hdd I run debian 3.1 |
| 21:02.25 | scothoser | Just for a plug for the U of U, it was one of the first four IMPs connected to ARPANET, along with UCLA, Stanford, and UC Santa Barbara... |
| 21:02.35 | scothoser | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET |
| 21:03.52 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Why did you need to run testdisk on the drive? |
| 21:04.04 | levi | mheath[laptop]: Congratulations on you admission. |
| 21:04.47 | rsimpkins | Don't forget the contributions the U has made to computer graphics as well. |
| 21:04.57 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, well, I attempt to boot up the drive..it runs from grub menu...checking this and that..checks VFS ... and frees up 256k memory....and then just HANGS...no warning, no error code...nothing..but it gets that far and stops..... |
| 21:05.17 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, so I figure something that is trying to run at some point in the boot sequence is hanging it..... |
| 21:05.31 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Yes - but did testdisk modify your disk in any way? |
| 21:05.42 | rsimpkins | bonez39: What did you do before you had this problem? |
| 21:06.07 | redbeard1 | ~lart harleypig |
| 21:06.15 | rsimpkins | bonez39: And /sbin/init is not likley your issue. |
| 21:06.36 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, well, testdisk founds a few errors and then wrote them to the disk...... |
| 21:06.57 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Okay, go back just a bit further. Why were you running testdisk? |
| 21:07.05 | scothoser | redbeard1: Hah! that image just came into my head... harleypig as a troll doll... ^_^ |
| 21:07.22 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, the drive worked while running between two older and smaller IDE drives...one of which booted the system.......after pulling the two drives...then the SATA DRIVE would not boot.... |
| 21:07.33 | redbeard1 | scothoser: that's awesome! |
| 21:07.52 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, the drive was invisible....until I ran gpart..which seemed to restore it enough to mount the various partitons, but still hangs at boot time.. |
| 21:08.10 | Keighvin | bonez39: knoppix is debian based. If your init really is hosed (and you'd better be sure, and make backups) then it should be compatible. |
| 21:08.46 | rsimpkins | bonez39: back up even more.... you had a system with two disks. One disk held your linux install - and the other disk had what on it? |
| 21:09.36 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, the other two disks..one a 3 gb (teensy weensy) and other 8 gb..also small..were emtpy....wasn't using other than to boot up..just hadn't pulled them as of yet |
| 21:10.07 | rsimpkins | bonez39: Okay, so you were just removing some old disks. One disk was empty and did not contain any data. The other disk only held boot information. Right? |
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| 21:10.48 | rsimpkins | You have a third disk that actually contains your linux install? |
| 21:11.04 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, yeah, just didn't realize the system was booting from those..or perhaps it never was..and my partition table just went south at the same moment i pulled the old drives |
| 21:11.33 | rsimpkins | What happens if you put the old drives back in the system? |
| 21:11.35 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, had hda, 3gb, hdb, 8 gb, and hde SATA which held my installation.... |
| 21:15.36 | bonez39 | well, I could put the other drives in..and then what? install linux on them? I don't want to run them< I want to run the 80GB SATA drive...the others are only useful to me as small storage.. |
| 21:15.56 | rsimpkins | You want to normalize your system to be sure you still have a working set up - then you can drill down |
| 21:16.37 | bonez39 | well, what would work would be the data on my SATA...that's where my working data resides...and I can access it....but just can't boot the same drive.... |
| 21:17.40 | bonez39 | I am going to purchase another 80gb drive...likely tomorrow..and install in this box...and then I can install debian on it....and copy over /home and other folders....and hopefully have it running again, so that i can reformat the SATA.....just want to get it booted up as is...and it's not wanting to boot |
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| 21:18.45 | Cleetus | lart ibot |
| 21:18.49 | Cleetus | -lart ibot |
| 21:19.31 | rsimpkins | bonez39: My suggestion for a quick fix is to get your previous setup working and then redo it tomorrow. |
| 21:35.15 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, thanks.....my previous setup....oh, if only I could.... |
| 21:35.54 | findlay | ~setup bonez39 |
| 21:36.29 | bonez39 | is ~setup a bot? something more to follow? |
| 21:37.05 | bonez39 | findlay, rsimpkins thanks for the suggestions |
| 21:37.26 | bonez39 | findlay, did I miss anything with your "~setup bonez39" ? |
| 21:37.26 | Keighvin | ~bury me |
| 21:37.28 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on keighvin |
| 21:37.35 | bonez39 | Keighvin, thanks to you too |
| 21:39.26 | findlay | bonez39: you just need to plug your b0x into the INTARWEBS and ibot will use his magic to make it into an uberb0x |
| 21:39.29 | findlay | (: |
| 21:39.46 | bonez39 | findlay, sure thing, pal |
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| 21:46.36 | Keighvin | ALL HAIL TACOJOCKEY. |
| 21:46.53 | findlay | ~jaco tockey |
| 21:46.59 | findlay | I mean |
| 21:47.03 | findlay | ~taco |
| 21:47.04 | ibot | TACO TACO TACO! |
| 21:47.06 | harleypig | Why would anyone ride a taco? |
| 21:47.09 | findlay | yeah |
| 21:47.14 | TacoJockey | Hi! |
| 21:47.39 | TacoJockey | they're tasty! |
| 21:48.17 | findlay | ibot: where did you learn that from? |
| 21:48.41 | findlay | ibot never says anything unless he really means it |
| 21:48.50 | TacoJockey | hehe |
| 21:48.57 | levi | The tastiness of tacos does not constitute a good reason to ride them. |
| 21:51.20 | TacoJockey | They're tame |
| 21:51.28 | TacoJockey | unless full of jabaneros |
| 21:51.42 | harleypig | anyone know of a way I can edit a pdf file on linux? I want to fill out a form partially and print it multiple times instead of having to fill out the same information a bunch of times. |
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| 22:12.11 | bonez39 | elg, I booted back up..finally..I had replaced the SATA controller card..during this, and put the OLD controller back in and it booted right off...something on it was preventing bootup... |
| 22:12.36 | macnewbold | weird |
| 22:13.11 | macnewbold | harleypig: acroread lets you fill out the form and print it, change and reprint, but won't let you save the filled in data unless you buy acrobat |
| 22:14.03 | bonez39 | macnewbold, are you referring to forms you can fill in before printing? with acroread? |
| 22:14.29 | bonez39 | I have acroread for linux..but it lacks the plugin to allow online form filling ... how does one get that working? |
| 22:14.52 | scothoser | Tschau alle! talk to you tomorrow.. |
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| 22:15.32 | macnewbold | bonez39: not online forms, PDF files with built in form fields |
| 22:15.50 | macnewbold | no plugin needed since acroread 5 or 6 |
| 22:16.07 | harleypig | macnewbold: ah ... so since I can't acroread to work on amd64 I'm fubar'd |
| 22:16.43 | bonez39 | macnewbold, despite booting up..my drive is clearly not healthy...I get weird EXT3-fs errors with console window open.. |
| 22:16.44 | macnewbold | works on mine... freebsd? |
| 22:16.57 | harleypig | kubuntu |
| 22:16.59 | mrpull | harleypig: there are lots of libraries for editing pdfs... i betcha there are at least 50 Perl ones |
| 22:17.01 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:17.18 | harleypig | mrpull: You have to convert to postscript |
| 22:17.18 | macnewbold | I've got amd64 freebsd, and I'm running the linux acroread7 just fine |
| 22:17.26 | harleypig | and there are only 2 perl libraries that I'm aware of |
| 22:17.41 | harleypig | macnewbold: chrooted in a 32 bit environment? |
| 22:17.57 | macnewbold | nope, just with normal linux binary emulation in freebsd |
| 22:18.01 | macnewbold | but it's 32 bit I'm quite sure |
| 22:18.23 | harleypig | hm ... it's been awhile ... I'll try again |
| 22:18.31 | macnewbold | sorry I'm not more help |
| 22:18.41 | harleypig | no problem :] |
| 22:18.43 | macnewbold | never tried 64-bit linux, much less running 32-bit apps in 64 bit |
| 22:18.50 | mrpull | harleypig: why does it matter what format it is if it ultimately is going to be on paper? |
| 22:19.20 | harleypig | ? I don't want to submit these forms with my sloppy handwriting and risk having them send them back with a big red '?' |
| 22:19.53 | macnewbold | well, one way would be to use imagemagick to convert the pdf to an image, |
| 22:20.02 | mrpull | pdf forms stink anyway |
| 22:20.06 | macnewbold | then use gimp to add typing on it |
| 22:20.17 | mrpull | macnewbold: good concept :) |
| 22:20.32 | macnewbold | not too graceful, but functional at least |
| 22:20.50 | macnewbold | if you've got a working ghostscript you should be fine, since it groks pdf |
| 22:20.58 | findlay | harleypig: pdftk |
| 22:21.06 | findlay | pdftk!!@!1 |
| 22:21.51 | findlay | http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ |
| 22:21.55 | findlay | apt-get pdftk |
| 22:21.58 | findlay | emerge pdftk |
| 22:22.04 | findlay | that's what you want |
| 22:22.11 | harleypig | thanks ... I'll take a look |
| 22:22.55 | findlay | ~pdftk++ |
| 22:24.07 | TimRiker | is there a projector for UUG tonight? |
| 22:24.22 | findlay | should be |
| 22:26.39 | harleypig | findlay: Do you happen to know where a quick primer might be? It's not as intuitive as it might be |
| 22:27.06 | TacoJockey | sorry, got sidetracked |
| 22:27.11 | TacoJockey | laters - off work |
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| 22:27.14 | mrpull | pdftk is sweeet |
| 22:28.17 | harleypig | Getting "Done. Input errors, so no output created." |
| 22:29.44 | mrpull | rsimpkins: there is a typo on the submit local company page: |
| 22:29.45 | mrpull | Main corperate website, or url linking to local division. |
| 22:30.04 | mrpull | ~spell corperate |
| 22:31.02 | findlay | harleypig: yeah |
| 22:31.43 | findlay | you can find some examples/tutorials on the site |
| 22:40.06 | mrpull | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/10/make_a_mame_arcade_costume.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 22:41.04 | harleypig | Am I the only one who sees the perverseness in that costume? |
| 22:41.06 | findlay | harleypig: http://search.cpan.org/~schwigon/PDF-FDF-Simple-0.10/ ? |
| 22:42.52 | macnewbold | costume is a little weird... it doesn't help that the title is "super snake" either |
| 22:43.13 | harleypig | and the location of the joystick |
| 22:44.18 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 22:44.29 | harleypig | ok, so I'm not the only one |
| 22:44.45 | findlay | harleypig: so it looks like you need an FDF file or know how to type one on the fly with stdin (: |
| 22:44.59 | macnewbold | normal people might not notice it unless you pointed it out |
| 22:46.28 | findlay | harleypig: http://accesspdf.com/html_pdf_form/ might give you some ideas |
| 22:46.47 | harleypig | macnewbold: true |
| 22:46.49 | harleypig | findlay: thx |
| 22:46.59 | mrpull | hehehe... i'm glad I wasn't the only pervert |
| 22:54.44 | maquis | yay! |
| 22:55.14 | macnewbold | ~rejoice |
| 22:55.16 | ibot | No, damit!!! |
| 22:55.26 | macnewbold | ~congratulate maquis |
| 22:55.27 | ibot | ACTION congratulates maquis on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 22:55.31 | maquis | ~language ibot |
| 22:55.32 | ibot | ACTION grabs ibot by the ear and washes ibot's mouth out with soap |
| 22:55.38 | macnewbold | why are we so happy? |
| 22:55.54 | maquis | ibot: it's not a brick... it's an autographed copy of woz's book |
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| 22:56.48 | maquis | macnewbold: see my comment to ibot |
| 23:00.05 | findlay | you paid $500 for a book about the woz (whatever that is)? |
| 23:00.25 | maquis | findlay: actually, it was free |
| 23:00.34 | maquis | and it's by Woz (and it's called iWoz) |
| 23:00.44 | maquis | (Woz == Steve Wozniak) |
| 23:01.10 | maquis | ~roll findlay |
| 23:01.11 | ibot | ACTION stuffs findlay in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain |
| 23:05.42 | Keighvin | ~beat maquis |
| 23:05.43 | ibot | ACTION beats maquis with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 23:09.45 | findlay | is that fish dripping with wet sarcasm? |
| 23:11.25 | Keighvin | Hm... |
| 23:11.44 | Keighvin | Now, dripping is an action which would have an attribute describing it. |
| 23:11.56 | Keighvin | So in this case, since fish is the dominant member.. |
| 23:13.00 | Keighvin | <fish action="beat" target="maquis" fresh="no"> <sarcasm type="dripping"/> </fish> |
| 23:13.07 | Keighvin | But that doesn't look right. |
| 23:13.18 | Keighvin | <fish action="beat" target="maquis" fresh="no" dripping="sarcasm"/> |
| 23:13.22 | Keighvin | Much more compact, that. |
| 23:13.43 | findlay | yeah, that looks much better |
| 23:13.44 | Keighvin | But not very abstract - it's very specific to ibot's implementation |
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| 23:33.51 | mheath[laptop] | Keighvin: It would be more like <beat item="fish" target="maquis" fresh="no" sarcasm="100%" /> |
| 23:34.01 | mheath[laptop] | :P |
| 23:34.06 | Keighvin | Freshness would be an attribute of fish. |
| 23:34.17 | mheath[laptop] | It can be an attribute of all objects |
| 23:34.27 | Keighvin | My, that rock looks fresh. |
| 23:34.37 | mheath[laptop] | <beat item="tomato" target="Keighvin" fresh="no" sarcasm="100%" /> |
| 23:34.53 | Keighvin | So does that cinder block, come to think of it. |
| 23:35.14 | mheath[laptop] | what if the cinderblock has mold growing on it? |
| 23:35.22 | mheath[laptop] | I guess that would be moldy="true" |
| 23:35.25 | Keighvin | Then the freshness would be an attribute of the mold. |
| 23:36.40 | Keighvin | It could well be that in the establishment of the schema, fish is a natural extension (OO style) of beat. |
| 23:37.01 | Keighvin | Or there could be a lot of things you could do, depending on the level of abstraction one wants to achieve. |
| 23:37.57 | Keighvin | <beat target="maquis"><weapon><fish fresh="no" dripping="sarcasm"></weapon></beat> |
| 23:40.01 | Keighvin | Allowing for the most precise attribute specification whilst maintaining effective distance between the concrete concepts and their employment in a given context. |
| 23:43.08 | mheath[laptop] | thats the thing that annoyed be about XML |
| 23:43.20 | mheath[laptop] | its so free form, I could never settle on the 'right' way to do anything in it. |
| 23:44.56 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.04 | TimRiker | that's for spr too. |
| 23:50.15 | maquis | why was Keighvin trying to beat me with a fish? |
| 23:50.17 | mheath[laptop] | I feel gothic in my new clothes. |
| 23:50.24 | mheath[laptop] | Until I put on the shirt |
| 23:50.33 | mheath[laptop] | then I feel like santa claus. |
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