| 00:03.42 | findlay | ~thunder Supaplex |
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| 00:17.18 | mheath | My book has 268 poems in it. That site has 59. |
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| 00:19.11 | vontrapp | -lart lame kernel issues |
| 00:19.38 | vontrapp | "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 00:20.58 | vontrapp | and then i have to get up to push the reset button :/ |
| 00:22.58 | mheath | vontrapp, thats usually a kernel configuration issue. |
| 00:23.07 | mheath | or a grub/lilo configuration issue |
| 00:23.09 | vontrapp | this is from a stock kernel |
| 00:23.22 | vontrapp | so..., i have to configure the kernel, and yes, that's an issue |
| 00:24.05 | vontrapp | ;) |
| 00:24.07 | mheath | vontrapp, what kind of hard drive do you have? |
| 00:24.15 | vontrapp | checking |
| 00:24.19 | mheath | SATA or some weird thing? |
| 00:24.23 | vontrapp | ide |
| 00:25.00 | vontrapp | it's a really old one |
| 00:25.11 | vontrapp | probably about 500M |
| 00:25.28 | vontrapp | ok, so it's 3G |
| 00:25.31 | vontrapp | but still... |
| 00:25.37 | mheath | vontrapp, when did that error start appearing? And it always appears, or was it just that once? |
| 00:25.50 | vontrapp | whenever i try to install a stock kernel |
| 00:26.18 | vontrapp | alas, said kernel doesn't have the drivers for my usb wireless |
| 00:26.57 | mheath | Hmmm. Wow, the Vista install seems to go quite a bit quicker when I do an install from scratch rather than an upgrade.. |
| 00:27.14 | mheath | vontrapp, Do you know what the issue with your hard disk is, then? |
| 00:27.25 | vontrapp | i think i'm just about ready to try ubuntu-64 |
| 00:27.39 | mheath | vontrapp, good choice :-) |
| 00:28.01 | vontrapp | i know at one point i configured the kernel with the correct driver |
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| 00:31.14 | vontrapp | stupid package dependencies! |
| 00:32.16 | mheath | vontrapp, Go home, install Ubuntu, and call me in the morning. ;-) |
| 00:32.34 | mheath | Or if your symptoms persist. |
| 00:39.21 | nick125 | mm |
| 00:41.10 | findlay | ww |
| 00:41.18 | nick125 | cc |
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| 00:41.50 | QBFreak | very very interesting |
| 00:41.58 | nick125 | I know |
| 00:42.14 | QBFreak | with the weather cooled off I got some drier hose and started piping cool air into my room over my PCs |
| 00:42.45 | QBFreak | I just built a box to split the incoming air between the two PCs and through two of the drive bays on the front |
| 00:42.52 | QBFreak | once I did that, case temp is actually rising slowly |
| 00:43.17 | findlay | cool |
| 00:43.29 | QBFreak | must be disrupting the airflow, or the intake from the front fans is greater and the room is warmer because the cool air being directed into the cases |
| 00:43.36 | findlay | maybe you're reducing ventilationn |
| 00:43.40 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 00:43.41 | findlay | s/nn/n |
| 00:44.05 | QBFreak | I think I'll go back to just dumping it out directly above the front of the cases, let the case fans do the rest |
| 00:44.05 | findlay | maybe you can hook it into where the fan intake is |
| 00:44.20 | QBFreak | or I could do that |
| 00:44.35 | findlay | and pipe the output to the basement to heat the house |
| 00:45.47 | QBFreak | I wish we had one or I would |
| 00:46.02 | QBFreak | I considered getting more hose and piping it out another window |
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| 00:46.16 | findlay | well, pipe it to where it gets cold inside (: |
| 00:46.31 | QBFreak | that would be my sisters room, technically no colder but she's always cold |
| 00:47.10 | findlay | you could tell her that computer heat is more environmentally friendly (: |
| 00:47.26 | vontrapp | you could pack ice into your cases |
| 00:47.33 | nick125 | vontrapp: it would melt |
| 00:48.08 | nick125 | and it would cause condensation |
| 00:48.20 | findlay | yeah, I hate condensed computers |
| 00:48.24 | vontrapp | true, condensation does tend to warm things up |
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| 00:51.00 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 00:51.03 | QBFreak | wow, dropping fast now that it feeds the intake fans, cool |
| 00:51.17 | vontrapp | hehe, a thoothless, hairless moose |
| 00:51.27 | QBFreak | now I need a humidity sensor as an emergency shutoff |
| 00:51.52 | vontrapp | mine is rising now that i'm compiling |
| 00:52.10 | vontrapp | new kernel! new kernel! |
| 00:52.13 | vontrapp | it's like christmas |
| 00:52.24 | vontrapp | but warmer |
| 00:56.01 | findlay | ~kernel vontrapp |
| 00:56.28 | findlay | when it's done does it pop like popcorn? Is that why it's getting warmer? |
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| 01:00.09 | mheath | Listening to a guy try to argue that Windows is better documented than Linux. |
| 01:03.10 | QBFreak | the intake does wonders for the case temp, but not so much for the room temp :) |
| 01:09.30 | dilvie | uh |
| 01:09.32 | dilvie | no |
| 01:09.40 | dilvie | Windows is not better documented than Linux. |
| 01:10.31 | dilvie | Some Windows programs are better documented than Linux equivalents, though. |
| 01:10.53 | dilvie | lots of closed-source software is better documented than open-source software |
| 01:17.52 | vontrapp | now, how does one manually install kernel modules |
| 01:18.32 | dilvie | hm |
| 01:38.28 | elg | and lots of open-source software is better documented than closed-source software |
| 01:41.40 | maquis | dilvie: only if you don't know how to read the "one true documentation" |
| 01:42.06 | maquis | vontrapp: ummm.. it's not kldload... it's the linux equivalent to that, though |
| 01:42.15 | maquis | modprobe. is that what you're looking for? |
| 01:46.25 | mheath | 8.06GB used in an installation of Windows Vista... |
| 01:46.26 | mheath | ouch. |
| 01:49.32 | nick125 | ugh, why is QT so ugly? |
| 01:51.16 | tensai | vontrapp: depmod, modprobe, and modinfo are your friends |
| 01:51.35 | mheath | Can they be my friends too? :( |
| 01:53.48 | mheath | C:\Users\Mike\ too |
| 01:53.59 | mheath | No more "Documents and Settings\Mike\My Documents" |
| 01:54.11 | tensai | that's an improvement |
| 01:54.29 | mheath | In my home directory, there is Contacts, Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Favorites, Links, Music, Pictures, Saved Games, Searches, and Video |
| 01:54.31 | mheath | *Videos |
| 01:54.47 | mheath | tensai, Yeah. They're making the path names a bit more UNIX / Mac OS X like, it seems. |
| 01:54.59 | tensai | it was only 30 years ago when *nix put user content in /usr. maybe in another 15 years Windows will use C:\Home. |
| 01:55.12 | mheath | Indeed. |
| 01:55.55 | tensai | "those who fail to understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it. poorly." |
| 01:56.04 | mheath | tensai, want to hear the big news? The most important new feature in Vista? |
| 01:56.15 | mheath | It comes with a chess game. And they redid the solitaire interface. |
| 01:56.18 | tensai | WinFS? :) |
| 01:56.52 | mheath | I have a question |
| 01:57.01 | tensai | solitaire, pinball *and* chess? those are some revolutionary steps there. |
| 01:57.05 | mheath | Can I use money from a student loan to buy computer software at the campus library? |
| 01:57.07 | mheath | erm |
| 01:57.09 | mheath | *campus book store |
| 01:57.55 | mheath | tensai, it also comes with the "InkBall", "Mahjong Titans", and "Purble Place" games. |
| 01:58.02 | mheath | I'm kind of afraid of running Purble Place. |
| 01:59.32 | tensai | mheath: probably fine. especially since the chance of an audit is down there with the likelihood that Disney will copyleft its next flick. |
| 02:00.29 | mheath | I think I prefer the new interface to the old Windows XP. |
| 02:00.40 | mheath | Though it seems for some reason more crouded than the XP interface... |
| 02:02.05 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 02:02.08 | tensai | has anybody here successfully claimed their blog in Bloglines? |
| 02:02.18 | mheath | "Purble Place" is like a really bad old Flash game meant for really little kids. |
| 02:02.39 | mheath | It opens up on a picture of a simplistic and rather purple neighborhood...you put your mouse over one of the buildings and it gets highlighted. |
| 02:05.06 | mheath | Oh, I played a memory title game |
| 02:05.14 | mheath | And attained the rank of "Senior Detective" |
| 02:05.36 | mheath | As I seem to have attained this rank from a short alien clown, I don't think it means much. |
| 02:07.57 | findlay | why do I get so much spam in Spanish? |
| 02:08.52 | mheath | findlay, Se hablo espanoel! |
| 02:09.07 | mheath | findlay, I'm sure in Mexico or Spain someone is wondering right now why they get so much spam in English. |
| 02:09.28 | mheath | WHY IS THIS PATCH FOR A MICROSOFT PRODUCT BIGGER THAN THE ORIGINAL DOWNLOAD?! |
| 02:09.33 | mheath | Microsoft Office 2007 Beta |
| 02:09.50 | findlay | well, my well meaning spamming overlards have obviously missed their demographic |
| 02:09.59 | mheath | You have to donload a "technical refresh" to use it with Vista |
| 02:10.14 | mheath | But the technical refresh is bigger than the original download |
| 02:10.36 | mheath | Why don't they just release a newly packaged version WITH the technical refresh, and save themselves some bandwidth, and save a bit of my time? |
| 02:13.17 | mheath | ibot, technical refresh $blah is <reply>You're not broken, $blah . We promise. This is just an...erm...'technical refresh.' Its not a patch. |
| 02:13.26 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 02:13.27 | mheath | ~technical refresh findlay |
| 02:13.29 | ibot | You're not broken, findlay . We promise. This is just an...erm...'technical refresh.' Its not a patch. |
| 02:14.53 | findlay | haha |
| 02:15.03 | findlay | microsoft really gets me sometimes |
| 02:16.35 | mheath | Vista isn't wowing me. |
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| 02:16.44 | mheath | I need more RAM for it really, anyway. |
| 02:18.33 | mheath | jeez |
| 02:18.39 | mheath | 8:18PM, where has the day gone? |
| 02:20.43 | findlay | why does windows have to be so retarded? |
| 02:21.17 | findlay | you can't even get any decent software for it without giving up one of the four freedoms |
| 02:21.32 | findlay | and once you do get it installed, good luck maintaining stuff |
| 02:22.21 | findlay | no, microsoft, Add/Remove Programs (whatever that means) is not equivalent to dpkg |
| 02:23.06 | levi_hom1 | Poor findlay. |
| 02:23.12 | findlay | ): |
| 02:23.45 | findlay | levi_hom1: is that some 1337 sneaking into your nick? (: |
| 02:23.46 | mheath | If anyone is curious and wants some specific screenshots or info from Vista, let me know. |
| 02:24.29 | levi_hom1 | I dunno how that happened. |
| 02:25.34 | QBFreak | mheath: I need to put it on my better machine to see if its any good, it doesn't do so well on my windows box |
| 02:25.51 | QBFreak | big annoyance: the start button is round but the bottom is cut off |
| 02:25.59 | mheath | My laptop only rates a "2" on their preformance index thingy |
| 02:26.07 | mheath | You're supposed to have a 5 to play 3d games |
| 02:26.21 | QBFreak | same for Intrepid, I need to install it on Dauntless |
| 02:26.37 | QBFreak | twice the RAM, faster processor, real video card |
| 02:26.37 | mheath | Woah |
| 02:26.41 | mheath | OK, so I download a big file |
| 02:27.15 | mheath | and it sticks it in a temporary folder than, when its done downloading, copies to my download location, like it always does |
| 02:27.15 | mheath | But: |
| 02:27.22 | QBFreak | little animated gnomes that carry the bits in wheelbarrows? |
| 02:27.23 | mheath | An unexpected error is preventing the operation. Make a note of this error code, which might be useful if you get additional help to resolve this problem: |
| 02:27.44 | mheath | Error 0x800705AD: Insufficient quota to complete the requested service. |
| 02:27.57 | QBFreak | disk quotas enabled? |
| 02:28.05 | mheath | Not that I knew of...hmm |
| 02:28.21 | QBFreak | I forget where that is, 99% sure I've seen them in XP too |
| 02:29.40 | mheath | WHAT THE HECK KIND OF SECURITY NOTICE IS THIS: |
| 02:29.56 | mheath | You do not have access to this folder. Click Continue to get access to this folder (Click continue and it brings me to the folder) |
| 02:30.13 | QBFreak | weeird |
| 02:30.16 | findlay | lol windows |
| 02:30.20 | findlay | ~lol windows |
| 02:30.27 | findlay | ~lol |
| 02:30.30 | ibot | [lol] stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 02:31.00 | findlay | that's why we have ibot |
| 02:31.22 | levi_home | Or, you could say I'm lol. |
| 02:31.38 | findlay | but ibot didn't reccommend that usage |
| 02:31.46 | findlay | ~heh |
| 02:31.48 | ibot | heh |
| 02:31.50 | levi_home | Ibot's not the boss of me. |
| 02:31.58 | findlay | ~boss |
| 02:32.00 | ibot | i heard boss is a powerful, annoying creature, usually devoid of any clue, especially when ordering people around. |
| 02:32.58 | findlay | ibot: but have you ever even tried to say 'heh'? huh? It just sounds strange |
| 02:33.43 | QBFreak | findlay: its a sound not a word |
| 02:34.17 | findlay | irc doesn't let you say sounds very easily |
| 02:34.33 | QBFreak | thats why you pretend the person made the sound not said it |
| 02:34.37 | QBFreak | use some imagination |
| 02:34.38 | mheath | "Search Results in Everywhere" |
| 02:34.41 | findlay | --- !empty dir /usr |
| 02:34.42 | findlay | >>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache... |
| 02:34.53 | findlay | sorry |
| 02:34.55 | mheath | mwahahah, I am searching EVERYWHERE! |
| 02:35.00 | levi_home | findlay: I say 'heh' all the time. |
| 02:36.50 | findlay | I hereby declare the symbol, ¤, to denote 'heh' |
| 02:37.14 | levi_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.48 | findlay | that'll be the marshmallow variety |
| 02:44.57 | findlay | ~lart uvsc's crappy website |
| 02:45.08 | findlay | yeah, ibot, do that |
| 02:48.46 | findlay | a site that requires popups *and* cookies is an indication that society has deteriorated into an irrecoverable rot of nonsense |
| 02:48.55 | mheath | findlay, yeah, is a pretty crappy website |
| 02:48.59 | mheath | ~praise University of Utah |
| 02:49.10 | ibot | All hail University of Utah! |
| 02:51.04 | billfur | unversity of utah? |
| 02:51.42 | mheath | Se. |
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| 02:52.57 | mheath | Windows also LIES about hidden folders now |
| 02:53.21 | mheath | It says its copying files out of a temporary internt files in C:\Users\Mike\AppData\.... |
| 02:53.34 | mheath | yet I looked all through AppData, and explorer doesn't show that folder |
| 02:53.41 | mheath | despite supposedly having all hidden folders enabled. |
| 02:54.12 | QBFreak | check from the command line? Start -> Run -> cmd.exe |
| 02:54.30 | mheath | Theres no more Tools -> Folder Options anymore either |
| 02:54.38 | QBFreak | crazy |
| 02:54.45 | findlay | this is yet again proof that GNU Hurd is the answer |
| 02:54.48 | mheath | you have to go through control panel to enable hidden folders |
| 02:54.51 | findlay | on Alpha |
| 02:55.00 | mheath | findlay, indeed. |
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| 02:57.07 | findlay | I wish I had a cool nick like TacoJockey |
| 02:58.00 | TacoJockey | hehehe |
| 02:58.06 | TacoJockey | I'm am master of taco eatery |
| 02:58.06 | mheath | findlay, you can go to a medieval festival at UVSC. :P |
| 02:58.13 | mheath | http://resource.uvsc.edu/pressreleases/2006/29sep06.html |
| 02:58.44 | TacoJockey | Cool |
| 03:00.53 | findlay | mheath: yeah, but it probably only runs on windows |
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| 03:01.23 | findlay | just like everything else at this overgrown, provincial, bouregois community college |
| 03:02.30 | findlay | windows has caused my life enough pain as it is |
| 03:04.50 | mheath | haha, a signing of the Magna Carta reenactment |
| 03:05.02 | tensai | findlay_: you lost me there. try using shorter words, as in "here, have some bacon and a pile of money" |
| 03:05.06 | mheath | We get to see a bunch of Barons force the King to sign a document he'll renounce days later? |
| 03:05.08 | mheath | Yah! |
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| 03:06.15 | findlay | tensai: doesn't really matter because ultimately it will only run on windows |
| 03:06.33 | findlay | the legacy of the mono-mentality |
| 03:06.43 | tensai | this is weird. I only see findlay_, not findlay. do you really exist. |
| 03:06.47 | billfur | macnewbold, around? |
| 03:06.49 | findlay | I do |
| 03:07.50 | findlay | but I've exerted a mentalic field that modifies my nick in subcyberspace cleverly utilizing tachyons in an inverse array with eigenvalues previously unknown |
| 03:08.41 | findlay | and modified Hilbert Field does seem to converge on the radius of effect |
| 03:09.00 | mheath | I wonder if hibernate will work in Windows Vista now. |
| 03:09.09 | mheath | It gave me a blue screen when I tried it before. |
| 03:09.16 | findlay | yes, but only during the winter |
| 03:09.18 | linuxalien | Stop hurting my brain! |
| 03:09.25 | findlay | so now's the time to try |
| 03:11.04 | mheath | A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to protect your computer |
| 03:11.12 | mheath | I'm glad Windows cares about my computer. |
| 03:11.27 | tensai | findlay: restarting my client seems to have reversed your eigenmagnetwhatsit |
| 03:11.45 | findlay | yeah, there's a few bugs left in the alpha version |
| 03:22.48 | mheath | I love looking through online geneology information :P |
| 03:23.46 | mheath | According to some information mostly submitted by other people, I'm a direct descendent of the Earl of Lincoln in the 1600's. :P (Descended from his second son) |
| 03:33.44 | findlay | geneology wasn't as an exact science 400 years ago as it is today |
| 03:34.28 | QBFreak | the video reset, I got the nvidia logo and suddenly it was prompting me to log in again |
| 03:34.30 | findlay | evidently the scientific instruments used in the practice of the science weren't as exact, they not being devised on as solid of scientific principles |
| 03:34.52 | findlay | QBFreak: <ctrl><alt><backspace>? |
| 03:35.09 | findlay | that happens to me occasionally (: |
| 03:35.20 | QBFreak | it appears to be frozen now |
| 03:35.32 | findlay | kernel panic? |
| 03:35.40 | findlay | bad memory? |
| 03:35.56 | QBFreak | over-cooled? |
| 03:36.07 | QBFreak | case temp is 76.5 F |
| 03:36.26 | findlay | not bad |
| 03:38.19 | QBFreak | rebooted, BIOS says the CPU is 134 and the "system" is 116, I'm guessing the second is the chipset, its always a lot higher than the temp probe I stuck in the case |
| 03:38.39 | QBFreak | both are dropping pretty fast now |
| 03:39.41 | findlay | overheating CPU could do it too |
| 03:39.58 | QBFreak | yeah, I should change out the heatsink/fan, using the ones that came in the retail box |
| 03:40.08 | findlay | once you supercede the threshold upper temp, undefined behavior can happen |
| 03:40.32 | QBFreak | this thing has always had issues with heat, I assumed that it would run better now, must not be getting the air where it needs to go |
| 03:41.06 | QBFreak | heh, CPU fan is drawing in through the side panel, completly missing the cool air |
| 03:42.32 | findlay | maybe you need a named pipe |
| 03:42.37 | findlay | for the ventilation |
| 03:42.54 | QBFreak | wow, I removed the plastic cone and by the time I had the panel back on it dropped from 131 to 129 |
| 03:43.55 | QBFreak | I think its getting a circular air pattern from the rear of the case to the side intake, there's not much airflow down the side of the case of any kind |
| 03:44.50 | QBFreak | I also need to disrupt the hot air buildup behind the cases |
| 03:47.30 | findlay | ~evaluate levi_home |
| 03:47.35 | QBFreak | I think the biggest gain would come from cutting a hole in the distribution box between the two PCs, right now the only holes are directly in front of the cases: http://pictures.qbfreak.net/v/computers/fallcool/100_2486.JPG.html |
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| 03:48.27 | levi_home | I think I'll start with a fairly basic material balance calculation. |
| 03:51.47 | findlay | QBFreak: that reminds me. I need to build a custom space-efficient desk. Most of the hardware I have now is just sitting on the floor |
| 03:53.57 | QBFreak | my dad and I are building a new desk for myself, slightly lower than the plywood and PVC monstrosity I have now, and without the upper shelf |
| 03:54.15 | QBFreak | the desktop will be 2x4s ripped in half, stood on end and glued together |
| 03:54.19 | findlay | I need lots of room for printers and scanners |
| 03:54.31 | QBFreak | already built a matching small table for the corner, looks quite nice |
| 03:54.47 | findlay | do you rip them the long or the short way? |
| 03:54.53 | QBFreak | I'd take a picture but its hiding behind two larger pieces of furniture, as well as some equipment |
| 03:55.11 | QBFreak | from 2x4 to roughly 2x2 |
| 03:55.25 | findlay | will you run it through a planer or belt sander? |
| 03:55.56 | QBFreak | after its glued we'll use a belt sander |
| 03:56.24 | QBFreak | my neighbor doesn't have a planer :) |
| 03:56.53 | findlay | working with quality woodworking tools is fun |
| 03:58.05 | QBFreak | but K'Nex are so much faster: http://pictures.qbfreak.net/v/computers/fallcool/100_2485.JPG.html :) |
| 03:58.17 | QBFreak | I should try that, building a desk out of them |
| 03:58.33 | QBFreak | I suspect my 19" CRT would destroy it |
| 03:59.18 | QBFreak | I could definitly use a printer desk, except that I have no place to put it :) |
| 04:00.58 | findlay | yeah, that's my problem |
| 04:01.16 | findlay | and I also have this humongous old scanner |
| 04:02.02 | QBFreak | I gave a friend a color laserjet that had to be 3'x3'x2+' |
| 04:02.14 | QBFreak | I think he used it as a table when he was still in a dorm |
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| 04:03.34 | QBFreak | it didn't even fit in my car, I had to get his brother to pick it up with his jeep |
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| 04:21.01 | mheath | <findlay> geneology wasn't as an exact science 400 years ago as it is today |
| 04:21.05 | mheath | It was for royalty =P |
| 04:21.09 | mheath | But I don't think the link is valid |
| 04:21.25 | mheath | thats all based on a bunch of stuff random people contributed to the LDS geneology stuff, and sometimes they make stupid assumptions. |
| 04:28.43 | elg | i hate graphics |
| 04:28.58 | findlay | ~graph elg |
| 04:38.46 | levi_home | Hmm, something is really broken. My chess program steadfastly avoids ever capturing anything. :/ |
| 04:46.25 | elg | passivist hcess |
| 04:46.37 | levi_home | Not a very good strategy. |
| 04:48.20 | levi_home | Huh. My evaluator is not evaluating properly. |
| 04:50.07 | levi_home | Oh, heh, I forgot to have it skip dead pieces in the tally. |
| 04:50.21 | maquis | lol |
| 04:57.47 | maquis | levi_home: you sure you didn't tell it to play suicide chess? |
| 05:00.38 | levi_home | It's doing much better now. |
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| 05:10.37 | elg | wish I was. I've been fighting the same dozen pixels for 4 hours |
| 05:16.37 | goozbach | dozen pixels |
| 05:16.39 | goozbach | hah! |
| 05:20.13 | levi_home | elg: What are you trying to draw? |
| 05:20.21 | elg | triangles |
| 05:20.30 | elg | filled triangles. |
| 05:20.36 | levi_home | My chess program is good at destroying the other player's pieces, but is now incapable of checkmate. |
| 05:20.56 | elg | no worse than many humans :0 |
| 05:22.03 | levi_home | I need to build checkmate into the evaluation function so it can be differentiated from a regular check. |
| 05:23.48 | goozbach | I should finish my presetation for LUGOT tomorrow |
| 05:24.02 | goozbach | I should sleep as well |
| 05:27.37 | goozbach | 2nd most disturbing comercial I've ever seen |
| 05:28.31 | maquis | goozbach: howdy |
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| 05:29.19 | goozbach | "just some fertilizer I learned about on yahoo" *spritz* *dead dog digs out of flowerbed and shakes off earth* "Scruffy you're alive!" |
| 05:29.30 | goozbach | wrong! |
| 05:29.41 | Tene | I saw that commercial also! |
| 05:29.47 | Tene | And I nearly never watch television. |
| 05:30.14 | findlay_ | ~watch TV |
| 05:30.15 | ibot | ACTION oogles TV worriedly |
| 05:31.15 | goozbach | most disturbing comercial ever: |
| 05:31.19 | findlay_ | ~subcyberspace |
| 05:31.34 | goozbach | it starts with the "lets take a long drive vacation" |
| 05:31.52 | goozbach | and ends with "thank you estranged wife for letting me tag along on this vacation" |
| 05:31.56 | findlay_ | ibot: subcyberspace is where findlay_ manages to arrange tachyons into common marching band configurations |
| 05:31.58 | ibot | findlay_: okay |
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| 05:35.02 | inspiron630 | anyone taking cs235 at byu? |
| 05:38.06 | tensai | ~lart findlay_ |
| 05:38.28 | levi_home | I recognize checkmate now, and so I can actually beat the random opponent instead of drawing. |
| 05:38.31 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/flower.jpg |
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| 12:05.58 | bonez41 | anyone know what would cause a system to 'hang' after this message >>> Freeing unused kernel memory: 265k freed ??????? |
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| 13:22.31 | graphyx | That won't work. He already is insane. |
| 13:47.11 | graphyx | Ok It's offical. I get to take 2.5 weeks off to drive to Utah for Christmas. |
| 13:47.40 | graphyx | I tell you living in Arkansas is a bit different. |
| 13:47.50 | graphyx | people don't understand Mormonism. |
| 13:49.34 | graphyx | a good friend had interesting things to say about out religion. Speaking of a good friend he had know years before and his experience with Mormonism, "He had dedicated his life to it and had almost become a priest. He was about to put on the shroud and was almost able to visit the inner most room, THe INNER SANCTUM. He almost got to where few ever go. But he decided he didn't have the time in his life to devote to it before he changed his mind." |
| 13:50.08 | graphyx | It was quite odd to think that my friend here thought there was some elite club only few ever can enter. |
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| 14:04.56 | Supaplex | the wifi on the uta express bus is pretty a-ok :) |
| 14:05.07 | Supaplex | atleast for ssh (all I'm using it for) |
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| 14:18.19 | Supaplex | my new export says illigeal nodomain N. I thought %info had to have this to allow exporting domains to.. right? |
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| 14:25.27 | Supaplex | heck yeah, ssh -D I <3 you! |
| 14:30.35 | emcnabb | graphyx: that's funny |
| 14:31.03 | elg | ~lart triangles |
| 14:31.34 | emcnabb | wow, SUSE is ditching ReiserFS (yeah, I know, I'm behind the times) |
| 14:32.13 | elg | you're behind the times because you haven't switched from reiserfs yourself |
| 14:32.23 | synic | emcnabb: url? |
| 14:32.34 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 14:33.05 | Supaplex | he's just proud because it's not slackware |
| 14:33.44 | emcnabb | http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-ditching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/ |
| 14:33.55 | emcnabb | elg: I just heard about it |
| 14:34.34 | Supaplex | bah, reset connections... I guess I'll bail while I have a chance. |
| 14:34.56 | elg | ok, I'm just teasing you. I haven't heard either |
| 14:35.08 | elg | although I don't use reiserfs, so you could say I'm not behind the times |
| 14:36.15 | emcnabb | I use it on one of my drives |
| 14:36.32 | emcnabb | findlay: what the heck? you're still on ext5? I upgraded to ext7 last year! |
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| 14:45.19 | graphyx | emcnabb: you guys are SOO behind the times.. Come on. IT's ext2007 |
| 14:45.22 | graphyx | that is out now. |
| 14:46.45 | bonez39 | elg, I can boot up now, to a point..I get my grub menu...list to pick which kernel..I select one..and it goes until it says Freeing unused kernel memory: 256k free... and then hangs..I believe it's something with /sbin/init that is troublesome now.....ideas? |
| 14:47.07 | elg | did you copy / over to the new partition correctly? |
| 14:49.01 | bonez39 | elg, I had no where to copy / over to my new partition correctly, from.....I just have this SATA drive and the drive from which it originally booted has had win98se installed over it.....so ...NO..I didn't copy "/" over to my SATA from elsewhere.... |
| 14:50.01 | bonez39 | elg, the grub menu comes up, I edit the root to be root (hd0,0) and then kernel to boot from /boot/kernel with root=/dev/hde1 ro .. and it goes...until that free memory message...no errors, no warnings, just hangs at that point |
| 14:52.21 | elg | so what root partition are you trying to boot into? |
| 14:52.48 | bonez39 | into /dev/hde1 |
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| 14:53.18 | bonez39 | my table is setup with 1 logical partition, which is then divided into 5 partitions....4 data and 1 swap partitions..... |
| 14:53.38 | bonez39 | gpart recovered all that....and rewrote the partition table correctly.....for which I am most grateful...... |
| 14:54.05 | elg | so what root partition is in /dev/hde1 |
| 14:54.25 | bonez39 | and I view my old fstab from grub with cat /etc/fstab and it shows that / was mounted on /dev/hde1 before...which is where I am attempting to mount it now again |
| 14:55.25 | bonez39 | elg, forgive me for being inane about your question.....are you asking about the size and various parameters of the root partition in /dev/hde1? |
| 14:55.37 | bonez39 | I am not back at my office yet.......I could look when I get there..... |
| 14:55.40 | elg | no, I'm trying to figure out if there's a valid root filesystem on /dev/hde1 |
| 14:55.59 | elg | i thought you were saying / was on your ide drive |
| 14:56.00 | bonez39 | I don't know.......can I check that from a grub > prompt? |
| 14:56.04 | Supaplex | ext1 is still good, comeon' guys :p |
| 14:56.42 | bonez39 | well, it was before...or I thought it was...perhaps just the mbr or boot data was on the ide and root was on /dev/hde1.....my existing /etc/fstab shows that / was on /dev/hde1 |
| 14:56.45 | Supaplex | for 16mb flash disks :p |
| 14:56.47 | elg | I don't know |
| 14:57.38 | bonez39 | when i get to work, I'll boot up that system from knoppix disc...and then I can go in and view /dev/hde1 and paste it all to pastebin so it is reviewable there....would that help? |
| 14:58.43 | bonez39 | elg, presently, I just have my SATA drive installed..no IDE drives....it boots to grub menu....from the SATA.... |
| 14:59.11 | elg | i don't know what it's doing |
| 14:59.18 | elg | usually if it can't find init it will panic and say so |
| 14:59.35 | elg | it sounds like /dev/hde1 is and always has been your root, so I don't know what it's doing |
| 14:59.53 | bonez39 | it isn't saying anything.......once i have it booted up with knoppix....I guess I could view what's there....with init..in /sbin |
| 15:00.28 | bonez39 | elg, ok..let me get over to work..and I'll boot up with knoppix..and paste my fstab ans mtab....and other files...into pastebin and then catch up with you....along with menu.lst |
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| 15:17.56 | graphyx | Hey, newsome, |
| 15:18.01 | graphyx | Anything happening with SCO recently? |
| 15:18.54 | Newsome | heh. Anything? |
| 15:18.57 | Newsome | tons! |
| 15:19.25 | graphyx | I heard about the 2 dismissal fillings from IBM and Novell. |
| 15:19.32 | graphyx | anything else? |
| 15:20.06 | Newsome | lots of motions for Summary Judgment from IBM, and Novell wants the money SCO took from Sun and Microsoft |
| 15:20.29 | graphyx | cool. |
| 15:20.42 | graphyx | how much longer before they hit penny stock status? |
| 15:22.19 | Newsome | It's down around $2 now, but I'm not certain how much more it'll drop. It's pretty closely held. |
| 15:22.44 | graphyx | are people treating the SCO stock like a lottery ticket? |
| 15:24.04 | emcnabb | what ever happened to bradipo? |
| 15:24.06 | Newsome | the people who are long on SCOX probably are |
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| 15:33.20 | spr | Linode kernel boot message: |
| 15:33.32 | spr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.07 | graphyx | Did he put that one in Germany in there? |
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| 15:39.36 | herlo | I am trying to build a new initrd on RHEL4, what I can't figure out is where the mkinitrd command reads to know which modules to load... |
| 15:40.26 | herlo | any ideas from the #utah crowd? |
| 15:41.12 | emcnabb | mkinitrd image kernel-version |
| 15:41.14 | emcnabb | right? |
| 15:41.30 | herlo | yeah |
| 15:41.38 | herlo | I am thinking it uses /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 15:41.59 | emcnabb | I think it looks in /lib/modules for 'kernel-version' |
| 15:42.06 | herlo | hmm |
| 15:42.40 | herlo | but then it would load every module in there, that seems like a lot of extra overhead, though reading the man page would lead me to believe you... |
| 15:43.24 | emcnabb | mkinitrd is a shell script |
| 15:43.28 | emcnabb | looking right now... |
| 15:43.31 | herlo | oh |
| 15:43.33 | herlo | cool |
| 15:43.44 | herlo | is there a way to specify only certain modules for an initrd? I would guess it could be done... |
| 15:48.58 | rsimpkins | herlo: Yes. |
| 15:49.50 | rsimpkins | herlo: I usually take an existing initrd.img and modify it to create what I want. |
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| 16:26.16 | herlo | rsimpkins: how do you modify it? is it like bzipped or something? |
| 16:32.33 | rsimpkins | herlo: gzipped |
| 16:33.11 | rsimpkins | herlo: I usuually do (rough steps) cat initrd | gunzip > file; mount -o loop file /mnt; edit stuff; umount; cat file | gzip > initrd |
| 16:34.22 | rsimpkins | there are lots of guides on line iirc that describe the process, caveats, etc. |
| 16:34.57 | rsimpkins | findlay: If you have used Linux you have used initrd. ;) |
| 16:35.24 | findlay | I've never used one for one of my custom kernels |
| 16:37.00 | billfur | god my ups won't stop beeping for a min every 6 hours =( |
| 16:37.25 | herlo | rsimpkins: I've been looking around, haven't found anything really useful for mkinitrd, but I'll keep looking. Thx for the input... |
| 16:37.49 | rsimpkins | herlo: It's really not all that hard if you just want to load a few more modules on boot or change things around. |
| 16:37.54 | findlay | billfur: cut the wires to the beeper |
| 16:38.07 | billfur | your suggesting I go cutting random wires in the UPS!? |
| 16:38.11 | billfur | this sounds simi-dangerous |
| 16:38.11 | herlo | rsimpkins: yeah, I recall one but can't find it now... |
| 16:38.13 | rsimpkins | herlo: Just be sure you have a bootable kernel in there some place so you can fix things if it doesn't work. |
| 16:38.22 | herlo | right! |
| 16:38.30 | herlo | that'd be bad if I didn't |
| 16:38.37 | findlay | billfur: yes, and you must do it while it's on. It's more exciting that way |
| 16:38.47 | billfur | er, UPS's are always on |
| 16:38.50 | billfur | batteries and all? =p |
| 16:39.08 | herlo | billfur: findlay is just egging you on... |
| 16:39.20 | billfur | yes, I realize that =p |
| 16:39.29 | rsimpkins | billfur: Maybe that is an indicator the battery is bad - or has reached the end of life. Contact/read the makers/manual. |
| 16:39.42 | billfur | it is a indicator that the battery is bad |
| 16:39.50 | billfur | I just can't figure out how to make it stop telling me that =( |
| 16:40.11 | rsimpkins | billfur: replacing the battery probably. |
| 16:40.11 | billfur | its loud enough to wake me from sleeping =( |
| 16:40.25 | Tene | so unplug it |
| 16:40.37 | billfur | Then I don't have enough outlets/surge protection |
| 16:40.49 | Tene | so get a power strip |
| 16:41.37 | herlo | ~beat findlay |
| 16:41.38 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 16:41.46 | herlo | :-P |
| 16:41.55 | billfur | they still make those? |
| 16:44.09 | findlay | billfur: once you get the cover off it should be pretty easy to spot the speaker |
| 16:44.20 | billfur | hm |
| 16:44.34 | findlay | just sever one of the leads in a way that you can reattach it for later use (: |
| 16:44.46 | findlay | perhaps a switch of some kind |
| 16:45.06 | findlay | or if you're lucky, it will have some kind of clip connector |
| 16:45.38 | findlay | if you're unlucky, the buzzer will be soldered right onto the mainboard, which is an unforgivable sin |
| 16:45.56 | findlay | unless you have a decent iron (: |
| 16:46.21 | rsimpkins | the right way to fix it is to replace the stupid battery - that way it will stop beeping and you have a UPS to save your important paper when the lights go out. |
| 16:46.54 | findlay | because when the lights go out you can't see any paper |
| 16:47.26 | rsimpkins | findlay: Which is why you need the glow from your monitor - powered buy the UPS! :P |
| 16:47.38 | findlay | indeed |
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| 17:16.02 | graphyx | macnewbold: Here you go. TO get your site up on digg. |
| 17:16.02 | graphyx | http://www.usersubmitter.com/ |
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| 17:31.23 | bonez41 | elg, I booted up my linux box with knoppix.....here's my question....on the knoppix desktop... it shows the various partitions on my SATA drive as sda1, sda3, sda5, sda6 and sda8....NOT as hde or hda...WHY might knoppix show them this way? |
| 17:36.14 | findlay | that means they are scsi or sata disks |
| 17:37.30 | elg | different kernel |
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| 17:39.32 | bonez41 | elg, ok....another question...I open /media/sda1/etc/ trying to find my fstab and mtab files..clearly since it's not running, mtab isn't present, but why would fstab NOT be present either? |
| 17:39.43 | bonez41 | findlay, yeah, a SATA drive |
| 17:40.37 | bonez41 | oh, wait...fstab is there..it was just showing folders first.... |
| 17:42.15 | elg | does everythign else look in order? you have a full / filesystem? |
| 17:44.05 | mheath[laptop] | OK, Today WILL be the day I will get my money. |
| 17:44.08 | mheath[laptop] | I'm sure of this. |
| 17:45.12 | bonez41 | elg, yeah..it appears so...let me send you the pastebin file..hold a second |
| 17:51.04 | mheath[laptop] | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=36099539665548298&q=Microsoft+Ipod <--- Thats old, but if you haven't seen it, it's great. |
| 17:51.56 | levi | Hmm. I need to learn how to use git. |
| 17:52.21 | mheath[laptop] | You are a git, levi. |
| 17:52.37 | levi | Not the word, the version control system. |
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| 17:55.50 | bonez41 | elg, it seems that all folders are there as they were before when it was running |
| 17:55.52 | bonez41 | elg, here's the pastebin file http://pastebin.com/799490 |
| 17:59.29 | elg | bonez41: I think it should boot fine, then. |
| 17:59.44 | elg | I guess, just let it sit for awhile and see if it comes to life |
| 17:59.55 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
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| 18:10.09 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Windows Vista |
| 18:10.16 | mheath[laptop] | hahahaha |
| 18:10.23 | mheath[laptop] | the worlds most appropriate lart. |
| 18:10.24 | mheath[laptop] | OK. |
| 18:15.31 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: I thought you were a Windows fan? |
| 18:17.54 | bonez41 | elg, seriously? it should just boot, as I hav it currently configured? |
| 18:18.11 | elg | yup |
| 18:18.26 | elg | if it doesn't, i don't know why |
| 18:18.32 | bonez41 | elg, any problem with init though? is it not finding init, or might it just be taking a long time to move past that point in the boot sequence? |
| 18:18.36 | bonez41 | ok...elg ... thanks |
| 18:18.47 | elg | it usually complains if it can't find init |
| 18:18.52 | findlay | ~fan windows |
| 18:18.54 | bonez41 | ok... |
| 18:18.55 | elg | so whatever init is doing is taking time |
| 18:19.20 | bonez41 | elg, thanks..I'll let it boot while I head to lunch... |
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| 18:35.36 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 18:41.04 | dilvie | Supersystem @ Kilby Court Thursday |
| 18:41.05 | dilvie | http://www.myspace.com/supersystem |
| 18:46.10 | findlay | ~boot lunch |
| 18:46.13 | ibot | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across lunch to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts lunch out to where he belongs! |
| 18:46.35 | findlay | ibot: where? |
| 18:46.36 | ibot | who? |
| 18:46.43 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:46.49 | redbeard1 | ~shroom harley |
| 18:47.05 | redbeard1 | ~mushroom harley |
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| 18:54.07 | mheath | emcnabb, what in the world gave you THAT impression? |
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| 19:02.11 | elg | zune, dead in the water before ever even thinking of being released |
| 19:02.53 | elg | who in its right mind puts 802.11 on a media player and then doesn't let you do the obvious things like, oh, sync with your pc and get on the internet. |
| 19:03.43 | dilvie | elg: an idiot |
| 19:03.52 | elg | aka microsoft. :) |
| 19:07.41 | mheath[laptop] | I'm using Vista right now and about ready to kill someone |
| 19:09.34 | mheath[laptop] | Does anyone have some suggestions on scanning in antique photographs? |
| 19:09.55 | mheath[laptop] | Particularly tintypes, ambrotypes, etc. |
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| 19:26.01 | herlo | okay, I feel stupid again, how do you check what the blocksize is on an ext3 fs? |
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| 21:08.22 | bonez41 | is it possible to run fsck, on a system hard drive.....if booted from and running knoppix cd? |
| 21:12.50 | emcnabb | yeah, shouldn't be a problem |
| 21:17.36 | bonez41 | does toms root boot have fsck on it? anyone know? |
| 21:25.05 | bonez41 | emcnabb, I have my linux booted up with knoppix, and I open xterm...and su to root and then > fsck /dev/hde no go..so then I try > fsck /dev/sda still no go.....and i try it with partition numbers too.... fsck /dev/hde1 still it responds....with fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda |
| 21:25.05 | bonez41 | Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? |
| 21:25.50 | bonez41 | as well, if run on /dev/hde as follows: fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hde |
| 21:25.50 | bonez41 | The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 21:25.50 | bonez41 | filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 |
| 21:25.50 | bonez41 | filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock |
| 21:25.50 | bonez41 | is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: |
| 21:25.51 | bonez41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.05 | herlo | bonez41: fdisk -l |
| 21:26.17 | herlo | what's on your system...? |
| 21:26.37 | herlo | if fdisk doesn't see it, you cannot fsck it... |
| 21:28.58 | bonez41 | herlo, it's an SATA drive, upon which resides my office linux machine..... |
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| 21:29.45 | bonez41 | fdisk -l sees the drive..and the partitions laid out on it |
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| 22:19.30 | spr_ | Regex question: I want to match on email addresses in a From header, and capture the address. |
| 22:19.47 | spr_ | So I need to match: stuf <email@address> |
| 22:19.50 | spr_ | and: email@address |
| 22:25.31 | findlay | my($name,$addr) = $From =~ m/^From:\ *(.*)\ *(<.+>)\ *$/; |
| 22:26.24 | Supaplex | no match on 'From: bob@example.com' |
| 22:26.53 | Supaplex | isn't this wheel already invented? |
| 22:27.50 | spr_ | Supaplex, if it is, I'm not sure where it is |
| 22:30.49 | mrpull | spr_: using perl or something else? |
| 22:33.05 | spr_ | mrpull, python |
| 22:34.37 | spr_ | Oh, and the 'From: ' has already been stripped out |
| 22:37.22 | mrpull | spr_: regex's are the biggest thing in python that irks me... the best reason to keep perl around :) |
| 22:38.16 | mrpull | but that comment is no help to you. |
| 22:38.24 | mrpull | did you see there is a #utahpython now? |
| 22:38.50 | spr_ | hadn't seen the channel. But this is a general regex question |
| 22:39.02 | spr_ | The answer should work in perl and python. |
| 22:39.17 | mrpull | except for the capturing part |
| 22:39.18 | Supaplex | provided they share the same re syntax... |
| 22:39.56 | spr_ | Python's syntax is styled after perl's |
| 22:40.33 | spr_ | Of course no embedded perl code, and it's missing the if-then-else stuff |
| 22:42.03 | spr_ | mrpull, what do you mean 'the capture part'? |
| 22:44.16 | macnewbold | the capture part - grabbing the results of the matching into variables |
| 22:44.28 | mrpull | i'm the wrong guy to ask because I'm not really an expert in either one... but since nobody else is answering... perl captures the groups (in parens) to $1, $2, etc and python uses a longwinded OO style of capturing them |
| 22:45.02 | spr_ | yeah, but the regex syntax for producing the capture is the same. |
| 22:45.09 | mrpull | agreed |
| 22:45.10 | Supaplex | aka references. |
| 22:46.24 | Supaplex | $_="The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"; m/(\w+) (\w+) (\w+) (\w+) (\w+) (\w+) (\w+) (\w+)/; # $1 = "The"; $2 = "quick" and so on... |
| 22:46.45 | Supaplex | but that's perl :) |
| 22:46.56 | mrpull | http://examples.oreilly.com/regex/email-unopt.pl |
| 22:48.24 | spr_ | mrpull, thanks. |
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| 22:51.04 | findlay | Supaplex: why not? Doesn't (.*) match 0 or more chars? |
| 22:53.16 | macnewbold | findlay: because the string he provided didn't have < > characters, which your regex requires |
| 22:53.21 | Supaplex | <> |
| 23:00.01 | findlay | oh, I see |
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| 23:51.07 | emcnabb | anyone around? |
| 23:54.35 | Tene | yeah |
| 23:54.59 | Tene | anyone around over there? |
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