| 00:06.44 | billfur | anyone know of a blowfish implementation for a ti calculator? |
| 00:06.51 | billfur | or other strong encryption algorithm |
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| 02:58.50 | levi_home | Yo elg. |
| 02:59.12 | elg | howdy |
| 02:59.36 | elg | so my denotational semantics class is actually a lot of fun |
| 03:00.04 | elg | well, my "programming languages" class, which is basically a semantics class. we did operational semantics briefly at the beginning |
| 03:00.14 | elg | now we're doing denotational. |
| 03:00.51 | elg | i get the feeling that at its core this class is a lot like 330, although I really don't remember any specific details about what I learned in 330 |
| 03:00.56 | elg | just feelings. :) |
| 03:01.28 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 03:01.57 | levi_home | o/~ feelings... nothing more than feelings... o/~ |
| 03:02.19 | elg | one thing we haven't done yet is talk about how we can actually use denotational semantics |
| 03:02.51 | elg | we've talked about how it's useful because it gives us a formal mathematical way to talk about semantics |
| 03:03.09 | elg | but we haven't discussed exactly what sort of talking about semantics there is to do |
| 03:05.59 | levi_home | That sounds like it would be a nice thing to know. |
| 03:06.37 | elg | ya. :) maybe I just missed it along the way |
| 03:06.59 | elg | mmmm, sourdough pizza |
| 03:07.00 | levi_home | I think the general idea is to have a formal way of defining what a program in a language means. |
| 03:07.24 | levi_home | For the purposes of specification and reasoning. |
| 03:07.59 | elg | yeah. specification especially seems relevant |
| 03:07.59 | levi_home | With a formal definition of meaning, you can reason about what your program can and can't do. |
| 03:09.11 | levi_home | It shows up a lot in CS papers, where a new language is defined or a new operator is defined in an existing language, and the consequences can be shown mathematically. |
| 03:09.44 | levi_home | It especially shows up a lot in type system research. |
| 03:10.21 | mheath | I'm so completely disappointed by my brothers new computer |
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| 03:10.34 | levi_home | Good thing it's not your new computer then, eh? |
| 03:10.37 | mheath | Just thinking how the computer would preform under Linux... |
| 03:11.02 | mheath | levi_home, its a waste. A dual core 2.2Ghz 64bit processor! |
| 03:11.19 | maquis | ok... when did apple get colored nanos??? |
| 03:11.25 | maquis | those things are *hot* |
| 03:11.26 | mheath | I wonder if the hardware would work under Linux... |
| 03:11.34 | mheath | probably not, I'm guessing. |
| 03:11.42 | levi_home | mheath: What kind of computer is it? |
| 03:11.48 | mheath | levi_home, Gateway. |
| 03:11.55 | levi_home | And he'll need it all when he upgrades to Vista, eh? ;) |
| 03:12.02 | levi_home | maquis: Just a couple of weeks ago, I think. |
| 03:12.04 | mheath | Came with Windows XP media center edition |
| 03:12.27 | levi_home | mheath: It's a Core2 Duo? |
| 03:12.43 | mheath | levi_home, no, an AMD X2 Athlon 64 |
| 03:12.48 | levi_home | I don't know why Linux wouldn't work on it. |
| 03:12.53 | maquis | levi_home: they're hot |
| 03:13.04 | mheath | levi_home, it has a lot of extra hardware that might be tricky |
| 03:13.08 | mheath | The TV input card, etc. |
| 03:13.10 | levi_home | maquis: What, did you suddenly become Paris Hilton? You're scaring me. |
| 03:13.40 | maquis | levi_home: ipods rock |
| 03:13.45 | maquis | colored ipods rock even more |
| 03:13.55 | levi_home | Yes, ipods are cool. |
| 03:14.08 | mheath | Heh, they do a "greek food festival" annually here in Ogden |
| 03:14.11 | maquis | although... i still prefer the black video ipods on some level |
| 03:14.18 | mheath | And it has traditional greek dancing for entertainment |
| 03:14.25 | maquis | the multi-colored ones are sweet, though |
| 03:14.29 | levi_home | I have an ancient 10gb ipod with a dead battery and a 512Mb shuffle. |
| 03:14.36 | levi_home | maquis: The new shuffles are interesting, too. |
| 03:14.56 | mheath | Watching these people dance in costumes that have been around for hundreds of years, doing dances that have been around for hundreds of years...and behind them, a guy is standing with his ipod hooked up to the PA playing the music. |
| 03:16.24 | maquis | levi_home: hmmm i'll have to look at that |
| 03:16.40 | maquis | i just walked by the apple store today and was startled to see colored nanos |
| 03:17.01 | maquis | maquis-fiance would be able to confirm my startlement, as he was on the phone with me at the time |
| 03:17.26 | mheath | levi_home, meet Maquis Hilton. |
| 03:17.32 | mheath | =P |
| 03:17.59 | mheath | be back in a second, moving to my other computer |
| 03:18.14 | Sargun | cya |
| 03:18.21 | elg | ipods are cool, but the less-expensive alternatives have a higher net coolness |
| 03:20.14 | maquis | elg: depends |
| 03:20.20 | maquis | i haven't seen too many really nice ones |
| 03:20.54 | elg | i guess it does depend on your tolerance for kool-aid |
| 03:21.14 | maquis | i got an archos a while back, and A) it's currently a brick, and B) when it worked, the interface was horrid and clunky and it took forever to get anything to work (and while the rockbox interface was better, it still wasn't nearly as nice as the rockbox interface for the ipod) |
| 03:21.50 | maquis | the main thing i thought were cool about the iRivers was the fact that they support ogg format, but they're a bit more expensive for the onest that support it, and my ipod now supports ogg as well |
| 03:22.13 | maquis | i need something with more storage space, though... so, eventually, i'd like to upgrade to one of the video ipods |
| 03:22.23 | maquis | (i've got a mini right now) |
| 03:23.50 | elg | my samsung yepp supports ogg, is roughly the size of a AA battery, and is nice looking |
| 03:24.11 | maquis | my dad was trying to convince me today that the new byu.tv would work well on linux. |
| 03:24.21 | elg | it's not quite as easy to navigate as the clickwheel thing, but it beats the shuffle which is its competitor in size and price point |
| 03:24.25 | maquis | his reasoning was that, since it supported firefox, it'd work fine on linux |
| 03:24.33 | maquis | elg: how much storage space? |
| 03:24.39 | elg | mine is 512 |
| 03:24.50 | maquis | do they have any in the 20G range? |
| 03:24.53 | elg | i know, I'm a cheapskate. :) |
| 03:24.57 | elg | yeah, I think they have a 2g one |
| 03:25.03 | maquis | erm |
| 03:25.05 | elg | oh, 20g? no, you need a hdd for that |
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| 03:25.19 | maquis | my current one is 4G, and i have more music than fits there |
| 03:25.27 | elg | samsung makes players like that, but I have not done any research into those lines |
| 03:26.08 | elg | i tried it this morning, it just says it only supports windows and mac |
| 03:27.08 | elg | it's some silly psuedo-dvr program. why do people have to be so tricksy? why can't they just agree on a format and everyone use the format and develop tools to manipulate it |
| 03:27.10 | elg | and we all get along? |
| 03:27.35 | maquis | elg: yeah... i figured that if they didn't explicitly list that they support linux, they probably didn't |
| 03:27.40 | elg | but I think it will be a long long time until "get along" and digital video coincide |
| 03:27.52 | maquis | elg: is it one where it's possible to get the stream by viewing source? |
| 03:28.06 | elg | no, it's some proprietary plugin |
| 03:28.23 | elg | although it probably streams something standard |
| 03:29.13 | elg | good luck getting to it. it's not like the view source trick. |
| 03:30.35 | maquis | ~curse freebsd |
| 03:30.38 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, freebsd ! |
| 03:30.45 | maquis | elg: that stinks |
| 04:01.00 | levi_home | http://www.worldrps.com/ |
| 04:09.35 | atoponce | interesting. on freenode, you can only be in 20 channels at the max.... |
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| 04:41.15 | maquis | how the @#$% do you do a server-type install of the recent version of ubuntu? |
| 04:41.33 | maquis | i don't want it to install gnome, etc... i just want a basic system |
| 04:41.40 | maquis | but i didn't see any option for that |
| 04:41.45 | maquis | *GRRR* |
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| 04:46.46 | maquis | ~lart atoponce |
| 04:47.35 | atoponce | with dapper, they seperated the server and desktop into two seperate installs |
| 04:47.57 | atoponce | i don't think you can get the server install from the desktop iso... |
| 04:48.08 | atoponce | but i could be wrong |
| 04:50.44 | maquis | atoponce: help |
| 04:50.57 | maquis | atoponce: where did ubuntu stick the server install option? |
| 04:51.03 | maquis | oh |
| 04:51.03 | maquis | wait |
| 04:51.06 | maquis | you just were answering |
| 04:51.08 | levi_home | maquis: In a separate ISO. |
| 04:51.10 | maquis | i just saw that you existed |
| 04:51.36 | maquis | atoponce: so, i have to go download a whole other iso? |
| 04:52.14 | atoponce | do you have dapper? |
| 04:52.32 | maquis | atoponce: i think that's what i've got... i have 6.06 |
| 04:52.36 | levi_home | Why not go straight to edgy? It's in beta now, after all. ;) |
| 04:52.39 | redbeard2 | maquis: i installed ubuntu server the other day... so painless |
| 04:53.15 | atoponce | maquis: you have dapper |
| 04:53.40 | atoponce | you need to download the server iso. the desktop iso won't install it iirc |
| 04:54.04 | maquis | redbeard2: how? |
| 04:54.19 | maquis | atoponce: why? that seems silly to take it off of the options |
| 04:54.40 | maquis | it would be simple for them to just have a little checkbox or something to say "i want server" |
| 04:55.27 | redbeard2 | maquis: i just downloaded and burned the server iso, booted to it, and it installed. it was even easier to install than the desktop version. |
| 04:55.39 | atoponce | yeah. i'm not sure why they did that to be honest. |
| 04:55.46 | maquis | redbeard2: yeah... i just don't want to deal with downloading the server iso |
| 04:55.50 | atoponce | probably has something to do with the lts |
| 04:56.02 | redbeard2 | maquis: i don't remember it being all that huge |
| 04:56.19 | maquis | computers are just frustrating me at the moment |
| 04:56.47 | redbeard2 | they're supposed to be frustrating. |
| 04:57.16 | maquis | redbeard2: they shouldn't be |
| 04:58.54 | redbeard2 | i cheated with the desktop version of ubuntu. i just ordered the free cds. |
| 04:59.08 | atoponce | so what's up with that conflict between debian and mozilla? good grief! |
| 04:59.21 | atoponce | they both need to get over themselves |
| 04:59.50 | redbeard2 | is there a conflict there? |
| 05:01.02 | atoponce | debian needs to realize that an image is just that: an image. it won't break their blasted dfsg |
| 05:01.13 | atoponce | mozilla needs to realize that their product is OSS and tri-lisenced with the GPL- so get over the trademark/intellectual content crap, and free the lopo |
| 05:01.19 | atoponce | s/lopo/logo/ |
| 05:01.24 | redbeard2 | oog. i didn't like straight debian much. |
| 05:02.02 | maquis | i miss gentoo, but this laptop probably wouldn't survive it, and i really would like to have everything completely up in the next half hour or so |
| 05:02.24 | maquis | and at this point, i'm *not* going back to freebsd on this box... |
| 05:02.30 | redbeard2 | yeah, you definitely won't want debian then |
| 05:02.53 | redbeard2 | just do ubuntu. everybody else is doing it. |
| 05:02.57 | redbeard2 | you'll be popular. |
| 05:03.30 | atoponce | if you've ever wondered why the blue globe in ubuntu/debian, it's because the image is licensed, and doesn't fit with the debian free software guidelines |
| 05:03.32 | atoponce | and mozilla is crying "fowl!" because they name the package with the firefox name and without the logo |
| 05:04.10 | maquis | redbeard2: meh |
| 05:04.27 | billfur | well, I mean, I see their point |
| 05:04.35 | billfur | as unpopular a stance as that may be |
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| 05:07.06 | atoponce | i think both sides are acting childish |
| 05:07.30 | redbeard2 | geeks can be like that sometimes |
| 05:07.44 | atoponce | mozilla needs to free the logo, and debian needs to ammend the dfsg |
| 05:10.00 | billfur | if they free the logo I can make an incredibley bad version of firefox, intentionally cripple it, give it out, and try to spread fud |
| 05:10.17 | billfur | if they give exceptions, its against the dfsg |
| 05:11.07 | billfur | with good reason. if I use debian as a base then I can't go and distribute firefox either. |
| 05:11.09 | billfur | its a mess. |
| 05:11.14 | billfur | and it doesn't have a good answer |
| 05:11.28 | atoponce | it is a mess, and a joke too |
| 05:11.58 | atoponce | you know what will end up happening? debian won't put it in their repos any longer |
| 05:12.09 | billfur | debian will just change the name |
| 05:12.12 | atoponce | all because of a non-free image |
| 05:12.14 | billfur | and everything will go back to normal |
| 05:12.59 | atoponce | but if they change the name, then that starts the snowball effect |
| 05:13.07 | billfur | not really |
| 05:13.21 | atoponce | different distros will call it by different names, and it will be a mess |
| 05:13.36 | atoponce | there won't be a standard |
| 05:24.38 | atoponce | breathe.... |
| 05:27.26 | atoponce | ~hug maquis |
| 05:27.27 | ibot | ACTION hugs maquis |
| 05:27.45 | maquis | atoponce: thanks |
| 05:27.52 | atoponce | :-)» |
| 05:27.53 | billfur | ~help |
| 05:28.00 | maquis | there are just days that i really don't like computers |
| 05:28.04 | atoponce | good luck |
| 05:28.16 | maquis | thanks... i'll need it... |
| 05:28.26 | maquis | it's a good thing that i honestly do want to give ubuntu a chance... |
| 05:28.35 | billfur | ubuntu is nice |
| 05:29.16 | atoponce | hehe |
| 05:29.17 | atoponce | i hear ya |
| 05:29.17 | atoponce | i hate them when dealing with mail/print/sql servers |
| 05:29.39 | billfur | dns wins the evil award |
| 05:30.12 | atoponce | ubuntu is great. i love it. easy, fast, configurable... |
| 05:31.51 | billfur | fundamentally |
| 05:31.57 | billfur | the problem is you can't stop people from being stupid |
| 05:31.59 | billfur | AND be free software |
| 05:32.04 | billfur | the two are mutually incompatible goals |
| 05:44.31 | maquis | atoponce: my biggest problem with it is just the fact that it insists on installing stuff i really don't want on my system |
| 05:45.08 | atoponce | maquis: like what? they only have 1 cd... |
| 05:45.39 | atoponce | fedora core and suse on the other hand. you get everything plus the kitchen sink! |
| 05:45.53 | atoponce | and your neighbors dog too! |
| 05:45.57 | billfur | ooh |
| 05:46.03 | billfur | is that apt-get install neighbhor-s dog? |
| 05:46.32 | atoponce | no. it would be yum install all-10-million-cds |
| 05:46.46 | nick125_lappy | I bet debian's neighbors-dog package is out of date! |
| 05:46.47 | atoponce | ;) |
| 05:46.53 | billfur | lol |
| 05:47.17 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 05:47.23 | nick125_lappy | so am I.. |
| 05:47.31 | nick125_lappy | I got 7 hours of sleep for the last 2 days |
| 05:47.43 | nick125_lappy | and, I got to be up to probably around 3am tonight |
| 05:47.47 | atoponce | nick125_lappy: but 'emerge neighbors-dog' would take two weeks to compile |
| 05:47.56 | atoponce | :-)» |
| 05:48.06 | billfur | and then you'd have to recompile it because it would be out of date! |
| 05:48.16 | nick125_lappy | billfur: haha |
| 05:48.18 | atoponce | haha |
| 05:49.05 | atoponce | i'm going to bed before i start getting l00py |
| 05:49.10 | nick125_lappy | I wouldn't want the neighbors dog though |
| 05:49.22 | nick125_lappy | he's too mean :( |
| 05:54.17 | levi_home | Wanna see something cool? |
| 05:54.24 | billfur | maybe |
| 05:54.32 | levi_home | I'd seen it before, but just stumbled across it again. |
| 05:54.44 | levi_home | e^(pi*i) + 1 = 0 |
| 05:55.01 | levi_home | How wild is that? Mind-blowing. |
| 05:55.31 | billfur | ah yes |
| 05:55.36 | billfur | euler's equation? =) |
| 05:56.22 | levi_home | Yup. |
| 05:56.50 | billfur | cosine expansion on the complex plane? =) |
| 05:56.54 | levi_home | I stumbled across it because someone in #ocaml was trying to take a cube root. |
| 05:57.17 | levi_home | In ocaml, exponentiation is an operation on floats. |
| 05:57.36 | levi_home | And you can only get a float approximation of 1/3. |
| 05:57.59 | billfur | yes yes |
| 05:58.13 | billfur | numerical precision issues are horrible |
| 05:58.39 | levi_home | And when you raise a negative number to a fractional power... wham, NaN. |
| 05:59.37 | levi_home | Haskell and Python will apparently both give you a non-complex root in his specific case. |
| 05:59.50 | levi_home | But when I tried it in Lisp, I got a complex one. |
| 06:01.31 | levi_home | So I read through the Lisp hyperspec and saw that it returned the principal result of e^x log b for b^x. |
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| 06:02.23 | levi_home | I mentioned this, and a guy asked if log was defined for negative numbers. I said sure, so he asked what the log of -1 was. Typed it in to Lisp and the result looked rather familiar. |
| 06:02.46 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: isn't it passed your bed time? |
| 06:03.21 | linuxalien | Hmmm |
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| 06:15.08 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: I didn't mean to scare you into silence |
| 06:37.45 | mheath[laptop] | GAH |
| 06:37.53 | mheath[laptop] | Why do people insist on comparing Vim and Emacs? |
| 06:38.18 | mheath[laptop] | Oh, yeah, Lets start a discussion comparing a text editor to an modular buffer editor! |
| 06:38.31 | mheath[laptop] | Maybe after we're done with that, we'll discuss how much better xcalc is than firefox! |
| 06:38.39 | mheath[laptop] | Excellent comparisons and discussions! |
| 06:44.59 | billfur | oooh |
| 06:45.01 | billfur | xcalc is nice |
| 06:45.09 | billfur | its so much better then firefox, I mean firefox can't do any computations at all! |
| 06:45.16 | billfur | and xcalc has a much nicer lisenseing policy! |
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| 15:32.06 | mheath | Can anyone comment on how MythTV compares to Media Center? |
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| 15:46.32 | elg | i've heard of mythtv and I haven't heard of media center |
| 15:48.57 | atoponce | mythtv is oss, media center is proprietary |
| 15:50.25 | atoponce | btw- vim > emacs. ;) |
| 15:56.17 | mheath | gah. That debate seriously annoys the crap out of me, just because most poeple are so naive about emacs that they don't realize its like comparing apples and oranges. |
| 15:56.35 | mheath | "Oh, look, you can type text here...but its hard...and whats this buffer thing? Oh, VIMs better!" |
| 15:57.23 | mheath | elg, Media Center is the application equilevent to MythTV that's included in Windows XP Media Center Edition |
| 15:58.04 | elg | then it appears the differences are obvious |
| 15:58.50 | mheath | elg, No. They're both very similar applications that do almost identical things...you can even theme MythTV to look just like Media Center. I'm just wondering what differs as far as actual features. |
| 15:59.18 | elg | why? |
| 16:00.06 | mheath | elg, because my brothers new computer drives me insane because of how slow it is, given its amazing specs, and I'm trying to piece together a compelling argument to switch to Linux. |
| 16:00.36 | mheath | But he's all excited about the features of Media Center (mainly because I told him about them), I wouldn't want to pressure him to switch if MythTV is functionally inferior |
| 16:01.24 | mheath | I am converting their old computer into a Ubuntu box, though; My sister in law is giving it to her brother for a computer to use in college. |
| 16:12.54 | mheath | I need to setup a blog. I really don't have a place to host it, though....and I dislike blogger. |
| 16:20.49 | mheath | I wish I had some junk hardware to setup a little server...hmmm. |
| 16:24.25 | mheath | atoponce, you don't happen to have another Sun keyboard I could borrow for a day? :P |
| 16:26.04 | tensai | redbeard2: http://www.realbakingwithrose.com/2006/09/loris_lovely_cake.html |
| 16:27.21 | mheath | For that matter: No one happens to have a mini Din-8 cable, do they? |
| 16:27.54 | tensai | mheath: with mythtv you can rip all your dvds and jukebox them |
| 16:28.41 | atoponce | mheath: nope |
| 16:30.16 | atoponce | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war |
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| 17:21.18 | mheath | Yah, my car is officially illegal to drive as of toda |
| 17:21.20 | mheath | *today |
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| 17:29.10 | redbeard2 | tensai: that is a lovely cake |
| 17:29.26 | redbeard2 | any mysql experts hanging around in here? |
| 17:32.21 | graphyx | redbeard2: Whats the question? |
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| 17:46.55 | atoponce | mheath: get your sticker at an on-the-spot renewal place, like jiffy lube. you'll never have to deal with the inherent problems of the government monopoly dmv |
| 17:47.18 | redbeard2 | graphyx: have a table with only two fields, both of which are id's that refer to other tables |
| 17:47.46 | mheath | atoponce, I got a new windshield, and it came with a free coupon for a safety inspection at a place that doesn't do on-the-spot renewal. |
| 17:47.51 | redbeard2 | graphyx: i'm trying to make mysql force unique rows |
| 17:48.17 | atoponce | ahh |
| 17:49.01 | mheath | atoponce, plus, it's expensive. Jiffy lube charges a $10 service fee to do that. |
| 17:49.11 | atoponce | $% |
| 17:49.13 | atoponce | $5 |
| 17:49.29 | mheath | $10, I was down there a couple of days ago. :) |
| 17:50.23 | atoponce | i just passed my wife's car yesterday. it was $5. |
| 17:51.39 | mheath | They told me $10. Hmm. |
| 17:55.13 | atoponce | maybe it's different by location |
| 17:55.19 | atoponce | i was at 40th and washington |
| 17:58.24 | atoponce | parton me. $5.99. safety: $17.00, emission: $25.00, on-the-spot: $5.99. subtotal: $47.99, tax: .40, total: $48.39 |
| 17:58.51 | atoponce | that's looking at my receipt |
| 18:04.41 | atoponce | i guess that means i'm walking proof that the .99 works |
| 18:06.03 | atoponce | redbeard2: i think you want 'distinct' |
| 18:06.54 | redbeard2 | atoponce: it's been a while since i did a lot of sql, but i remember it being in the table definition somewhere |
| 18:08.01 | atoponce | not sure. |
| 18:18.24 | mheath | redbeard2, it's in a single value definition. |
| 18:18.47 | mheath | You can't have it make the entire row distinct, you can make values distinct. |
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| 18:27.53 | redbeard2 | ah, found it. UNIQUE KEY `grp_msg_ix` (`groupid`,`messageid`) |
| 18:28.14 | redbeard2 | left out UNIQUE before |
| 18:30.51 | mheath | Oh, hehe, I misread the conversation after what atoponce said. |
| 18:31.25 | redbeard2 | no worries |
| 18:32.28 | mheath | http://loose-bits.blogspot.com/2006/10/gnulinux-as-competition-to-windows.html Let me know what you think of that latest editorial... |
| 18:32.46 | mheath | I had trouble collecting all my thoughts on it, as I wrote it without any notes or planning...I plan to extend it a bit in the future. |
| 18:37.17 | Sargun | Why doesn't my schools 25,000 dollar filtering system work? |
| 18:46.41 | tensai | redbeard2: you're specifying that the combination (groupid, messageid) will be unique. so you couldn't have two (1, 2) rows. but you could still have (1, 1) and (1, 2). |
| 18:46.53 | tensai | redbeard2: just making sure that's what you want |
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| 19:13.37 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:13.44 | maquis | /etc/X11/X ? |
| 19:14.35 | maquis | why would that not be present? |
| 19:16.03 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:16.08 | maquis | we'll see if this fixes it |
| 19:28.42 | redbeard2 | maquis: ubuntu server? |
| 19:37.33 | redbeard2 | i know you were talking about it the other day... but ubuntu server doesn't install x |
| 19:39.03 | Sargun | ~seen slackwarekid |
| 19:39.11 | ibot | slackwarekid <n=chatzill@158.91.233.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4d 17h 44m 45s ago, saying: 'hey maquis\'. |
| 19:39.11 | Sargun | ~seen emcnabb |
| 19:39.15 | ibot | emcnabb is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 2d 4h 34m 24s, last said: 'levi_: good morning'. |
| 20:01.28 | emcnabb | Sargun: hello |
| 20:17.51 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 20:25.09 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
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| 20:39.11 | mheath[laptop] | Wow, Kodak still makes Super 8 film..... |
| 20:44.43 | Sargun | emcnabb, did you sort out your problem? |
| 20:57.55 | elg | ~sort emcnabb |
| 20:59.42 | emcnabb | not really |
| 20:59.47 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 21:21.27 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb: what do you mean 'not really'? they don |
| 21:21.36 | mheath[laptop] | They *don't* make it anymore? |
| 21:23.19 | mheath[laptop] | No one even read my editorial =\ |
| 21:28.13 | elg | should I read frankenstein or dracula this month? |
| 21:37.58 | graphyx | read fracula |
| 21:38.08 | graphyx | Eat frankenberry cerial. |
| 21:38.16 | graphyx | s/fracula/dracula/ |
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| 21:59.39 | maquis | elg: frankenstein is good |
| 22:00.30 | maquis | question: besides gnome/kde-specific utilities, what are some good command-line apps for setting a background image? i've always used Esetroot, but I'm looking for a replacement... |
| 22:01.47 | elg | chbg |
| 22:01.49 | maquis | also, should i be worried if the screen on my laptop flickers a lot? |
| 22:01.52 | elg | xsetroot |
| 22:01.56 | elg | probably |
| 22:02.02 | elg | define flicker |
| 22:02.14 | maquis | elg: perhaps i missed the option for xsetroot... i only saw to change a color, not to set an image... |
| 22:02.38 | maquis | elg: well... it's like a backlight that's flickering on and off rapidly |
| 22:02.55 | maquis | and it does it for about 10 minutes every time my computer screen blanks itself and comes back up... |
| 22:03.20 | maquis | most noticeable when i'm working with a black background (at the moment, i'm not in X) |
| 22:03.47 | maquis | it's quite annoying, although, if i back up a bit, it's less noticeable |
| 22:09.36 | maquis | hmmm |
| 22:09.45 | maquis | it's showing up on light background in X today too |
| 22:19.43 | elg | sounds bad |
| 22:19.54 | elg | xsetroot I think doesn't do images after all, now that It hin k of it |
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| 22:41.51 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: I wasn't talking to you. I was replying to Sargun |
| 22:44.31 | maquis | emcnabb: sup? |
| 22:46.39 | maquis | hmmm... copying different files from a dvd to the hard drive at the same time (different terminals) is probably not a good idea, |
| 22:51.50 | maquis | oops |
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| 23:09.27 | *** topic/#utah by mheath[laptop] -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. Read http://plug.org/node/28 . Support your local chapter of Beards over Babies. |
| 23:13.21 | mheath | emcnabb, ah, I have Sargun on ignore. Sorry :) |
| 23:15.43 | findlay_ | mheath: thanks for the printer |
| 23:15.47 | findlay_ | ~mheath++ |
| 23:16.00 | mheath | findlay_, its working fine for you then? :) |
| 23:16.25 | findlay | haven't tried it out yet actually |
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