| 00:16.00 | Tene | Eww. I didn't remember C++ being this bad... |
| 00:17.38 | macnewbold | man apt-get probably has something like a no-depends option I bet |
| 00:21.17 | macnewbold | (that was for mheath, but I just realized he asked about 20 minutes ago...) |
| 00:21.53 | mheath | macnewbold, and you think I have a life away from IRC? ;-P |
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| 00:22.05 | macnewbold | I was hoping, for your sake ;) |
| 00:22.16 | macnewbold | what happened to all your 13 year old girls? |
| 00:22.31 | mheath | That's Sargun. |
| 00:22.41 | macnewbold | ~sargun 13-year-old girls |
| 00:22.43 | ibot | Want a VPS, 13-year-old girls ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, 13-year-old girls ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, 13-year-old girls ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 00:22.44 | mheath | If you confuse us again, I'm afraid I'll have to lart you. |
| 00:22.48 | macnewbold | ~strongbad |
| 00:22.51 | Sargun | :-? |
| 00:23.11 | macnewbold | ~strongbad mheath |
| 00:23.29 | macnewbold | man, we need some good random strongbad quotes in here... |
| 00:25.55 | linuxalien | word |
| 00:25.58 | linuxalien | laterz all |
| 00:26.03 | linuxalien | I'm going to get a brain transplant1 |
| 00:26.05 | beandog | I cant believe how freaking awesome I am. |
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| 00:26.32 | Tene | I can't believe how freaking stupid this is. |
| 00:27.11 | Tene | This C++ function is defined as (pointer to some stupid type, some other stupid type) |
| 00:27.23 | Tene | but "some other stupid type" is a typedef for int |
| 00:28.04 | Tene | So this other stuff keeps saying "can't find a function of type (pointer to some stupid type, int)" |
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| 00:37.20 | elg | -roulette |
| 00:37.21 | brac | elg: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 00:38.00 | elg | beandog: why so awesom? |
| 00:38.16 | beandog | elg: thats a strongbad quote |
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| 01:00.13 | mheath | Yah, I got XGL/compiz working :) |
| 01:01.33 | sontek | eww |
| 01:01.55 | mheath | The default theme is a little odd |
| 01:02.05 | mheath | Makes me feel like my programs are made out of thin sheet metal when I move them |
| 01:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I need a better video card to run XGL/etc |
| 01:02.28 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, what do you have? |
| 01:02.31 | mheath | It runs beautifully on my laptop |
| 01:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | nVidia FX5200 |
| 01:03.42 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, you should be OK |
| 01:03.46 | mheath | As long as you have a bit of 3d acceleration |
| 01:03.48 | mheath | its not horribly intensive |
| 01:04.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 1650x1080 |
| 01:05.11 | mheath | haha, the funny thing is, I can theme it to look almost exactly like Vista Aero, WITH the visual effects... |
| 01:05.15 | mheath | And it runs about 20X faster =P |
| 01:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda hard to do full-screen 3D accel effects in 1650x1080 and this crappy card |
| 01:09.22 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, *shrug* I'm at 1280x768 with a ATI Radeon XPRESS X200, and I notice no problems at all |
| 01:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 749,460 pixels difference. Not to me mention the generation gap of two or three between the cards. |
| 01:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | s/me // |
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| 01:55.03 | emcnabb | any iptables experts out there? |
| 01:55.48 | Sargun | somewhate |
| 01:55.56 | Sargun | Describe problem |
| 01:59.55 | emcnabb | It's an odd situation (so don't question why I need to do it): there is a modified syslog daemon running on port 514. I need the traffic (UDP) that is sent to that port to be delivered to the local machine, but also forwarded on to another machine. The ROUTE iptables module has the --tee option, which should do the trick, but the ROUTE module is not part of the default NetFilter code, so there's no kernel module for it on the box (and we can't add it) |
| 02:00.44 | emcnabb | so somehow we need to do that (by iptables or something else), but I don't know where to go next |
| 02:01.10 | graphyx | try@security. |
| 02:01.16 | graphyx | I mean #security. |
| 02:01.24 | graphyx | there are a lot of guys in there that can handle iptables; |
| 02:01.25 | emcnabb | we can't use DNATing because the packet never makes it to the local box |
| 02:01.32 | graphyx | sorry for the ;, I'm programming.. |
| 02:01.37 | emcnabb | graphyx: maybe I will |
| 02:01.49 | graphyx | I hang out in there, so they can't all be bad.. ;) |
| 02:04.00 | Sargun | emcnabb, can you install userland programs? |
| 02:04.27 | emcnabb | well, it needs to happen somewhere in the kernel because a userland app is already bound to the port |
| 02:04.32 | Sargun | netcat. |
| 02:04.39 | Sargun | tee netcat. |
| 02:05.24 | Sargun | like |
| 02:05.36 | Sargun | nc -u -l -p XXYY |
| 02:05.39 | Sargun | err |
| 02:06.23 | emcnabb | well, the syslog daemon is already bound to that port |
| 02:06.31 | Sargun | emcnabb, does it have to be omni directional. |
| 02:06.40 | emcnabb | no |
| 02:06.51 | emcnabb | UDP, just get it and forward it on |
| 02:06.53 | Sargun | so only from syslog -> out. |
| 02:07.12 | Sargun | (I'm not farmiliar with syslog..) |
| 02:07.19 | Sargun | or |
| 02:07.20 | emcnabb | packet in -> daemon |
| 02:07.56 | Sargun | So PacketX goes to internal daemon, and gets forwarded to another place? |
| 02:08.20 | emcnabb | PacketX is coming from the outside world |
| 02:08.26 | emcnabb | hits the port |
| 02:08.58 | emcnabb | and gets delivered to the local daemon and forwarded on at the same time |
| 02:09.10 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:10.39 | emcnabb | oh well |
| 02:10.42 | emcnabb | I need sleep |
| 02:10.51 | macnewbold | who needs sleep? |
| 02:10.57 | macnewbold | you're never gonna get it |
| 02:10.59 | emcnabb | never gonna getit |
| 02:11.01 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 02:11.02 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 02:11.06 | Sargun | Do you know what IP(s) PacketX is coming from? |
| 02:11.10 | macnewbold | tell me, what's that for? |
| 02:11.21 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:11.22 | macnewbold | Sargun: what is packetX? |
| 02:11.27 | emcnabb | I feel like I've been awake since the 2nd world war |
| 02:11.30 | Sargun | a packet. |
| 02:11.31 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 02:11.41 | Sargun | named X |
| 02:11.41 | emcnabb | Sargun: it doesn't matter |
| 02:12.07 | macnewbold | if you have the whole packet, you can examine it and see what IP it is from, or at least what IP it claimed to be from, and what ethernet host passed it to you |
| 02:14.50 | emcnabb | macnewbold: darn you. I just turned on the song and it's already stuck in my head |
| 02:14.56 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 02:15.16 | macnewbold | I'm listening to the Mamas & the Papas "Monday, Monday" |
| 02:15.27 | emcnabb | macnewbold: that's worse :-) |
| 02:15.30 | macnewbold | every other day of the week is fine, yeah |
| 02:15.41 | macnewbold | but whenever monday comes, you can find me cryin' all of the time |
| 02:15.49 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:15.52 | macnewbold | can't trust that day |
| 02:15.53 | Sargun | emcnabb, is it bound to 0.0.0.0:514? |
| 02:16.14 | macnewbold | oh Monday, oh go away... |
| 02:16.15 | emcnabb | on some IP |
| 02:16.22 | Sargun | on which IP? |
| 02:16.33 | emcnabb | Sargun: 1.2.3.4 |
| 02:16.49 | macnewbold | Sargun: how are your hacking skills? |
| 02:16.50 | bonez41 | macnewbold, my dilemma persists...I install win98se to one of my drives....now wondering if I should run maxblast or some such disk manager on it, then try grubbing it to see if the SATA drive becomes visible..... |
| 02:17.11 | Sargun | macnewbold, they suck |
| 02:17.12 | macnewbold | Sargun: there's a box you should try to hack... it's IP is 127.0.0.1, but it is pretty locked down, so you probably can't do it |
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| 02:17.21 | Sargun | ~lart macnewbold |
| 02:17.45 | macnewbold | bonez41: does the bios see the drives? |
| 02:17.53 | emcnabb | Sargun: I bet you can't hack 69.12.172.152 |
| 02:18.05 | macnewbold | or 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:18.14 | Sargun | macnewbold, I use 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 02:18.30 | bonez41 | macnewbold, no, this is SATA...the BIOS people say the BIOS settings are really jsut for IDE drives and not for a drive which is connected via a controller card.....not through the mother board direct |
| 02:18.32 | macnewbold | such a selfish boy... wanting a whole class A to himself |
| 02:18.42 | macnewbold | ah, so it's through a separate card |
| 02:19.31 | emcnabb | ok, night for real |
| 02:19.44 | bonez41 | I run grub... and it starts to boot up and it sees the drive, but the I get a Kernel Panic...cause I don't have an initrd set and loaded to match the kernel I have loaded...if I could just boot up from floppy with a small kernel..and then get to the drive, I could then set up root on the SATA and run grub-install so the mbr is set right.... |
| 02:19.44 | macnewbold | night emcnabb |
| 02:20.02 | macnewbold | that sounds like it might work, bonez |
| 02:20.10 | bonez41 | is emcnabb related to andy? mcnabb? |
| 02:20.23 | emcnabb | andrew mcnabb yes |
| 02:20.29 | macnewbold | yes, there's a whole mess of them |
| 02:20.30 | bonez41 | like I say, I have 98se installed on /dev/hda........ |
| 02:20.32 | emcnabb | the author Andy McNabb no |
| 02:20.33 | macnewbold | same with the Fugals |
| 02:20.39 | Sargun | #assuming all PacketXs are coming from eth0 |
| 02:20.39 | Sargun | #forward all traffic to machine @ port 1999 |
| 02:20.39 | Sargun | # |
| 02:20.39 | Sargun | #We assume the daemon is bound to 1.2.3.4:514 (eth0) |
| 02:20.40 | Sargun | ifconfig eth0:1 1.2.3.5 |
| 02:20.42 | Sargun | iptables -t nat -A INPUT --addr !1.2.3.5 -i eth0 -p udp --dport 514 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1999 |
| 02:20.44 | Sargun | mkfifo away |
| 02:20.46 | Sargun | nc -l -u -p 1999 |tee away |nc -s 1.2.3.5 -u localhost 514 #screen this |
| 02:20.48 | Sargun | nc -u remote remote_port < away |
| 02:20.50 | bonez41 | andrew mcnabb..yes..with the web page with the cool shell hacks etc... |
| 02:21.18 | macnewbold | Sargun: aha, okay, so that's what you're working on... iptables |
| 02:21.22 | bonez41 | emcnabb, I was reading aobut the various shell hacks today and mailpipe.... |
| 02:21.28 | macnewbold | why didn't you just say so :) |
| 02:21.53 | Sargun | emcnabb, still alive? |
| 02:21.58 | emcnabb | Sargun: yeah |
| 02:22.04 | Sargun | what do you think? |
| 02:22.33 | emcnabb | the problem is that IP tables rule is going to forward the packet on and it will never hit the local interface |
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| 02:22.53 | maquis | ~lart foobar |
| 02:23.11 | Sargun | emcnabb, uhh no. |
| 02:23.16 | Sargun | you doubt sargun. |
| 02:23.17 | Sargun | :-) |
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| 02:23.26 | bonez41 | macnewbold, I am thinking that if I now grub the mbr on /dev/hda.....after running a disk manager floppy to make sure it has the LBA software there....that possibly that will allow the machine to finally SEE the SATA drive....but I am not sure.... |
| 02:23.30 | Sargun | as long as remote_port !514 |
| 02:23.32 | Sargun | your fine. |
| 02:23.36 | Sargun | try it |
| 02:23.37 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 02:23.46 | bonez41 | have to run and get my boys in bed....and then will return |
| 02:24.09 | Sargun | emcnabb, its a 2 minute thing |
| 02:24.10 | macnewbold | so what is it that isn't seeing the SATA drive? |
| 02:24.21 | macnewbold | if it's not seeing the drive at all, then LBA/MBR, etc won't help at all |
| 02:24.28 | macnewbold | I don't think |
| 02:25.27 | Sargun | emcnabb, and there are ways to fix that |
| 02:25.31 | Sargun | --addr !DEST |
| 02:27.40 | herlo | macnewbold: what ever are you installing? |
| 02:27.57 | macnewbold | not me, bonez |
| 02:28.06 | herlo | what is he installing? |
| 02:28.18 | macnewbold | got a new SATA drive, having trouble getting it to boot |
| 02:28.30 | herlo | yeah, on Linux? |
| 02:28.34 | macnewbold | he'd love some advice from someone who knows :) |
| 02:28.36 | macnewbold | yeah, linux |
| 02:28.43 | macnewbold | got a couple of old drives in it, |
| 02:28.47 | macnewbold | and the new one with the data on it I think |
| 02:28.52 | herlo | hmm, Mine works just fine.... |
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| 02:29.05 | macnewbold | bonez41: I run grub... and it starts to boot up and it sees the drive, but the I get a Kernel Panic...cause I don't have an initrd set and loaded to match the kernel I have loaded...if I could just boot up from floppy with a small kernel..and then get to the drive, I could then set up root on the SATA and run grub-install so the mbr is set right.... |
| 02:29.10 | herlo | having trouble getting windows on it... |
| 02:29.15 | macnewbold | bonez41: macnewbold, my dilemma persists...I install win98se to one of my drives....now wondering if I should run maxblast or some such disk manager on it, then try grubbing it to see if the SATA drive becomes visible..... |
| 02:29.33 | macnewbold | bonez41: macnewbold, no, this is SATA...the BIOS people say the BIOS settings are really jsut for IDE drives and not for a drive which is connected via a controller card.....not through the mother board direct |
| 02:29.39 | emcnabb | Sargun: thanks for your help; I'll look into it some more tomorrow |
| 02:29.55 | macnewbold | bonez41 can explain the rest, I'm sure I mangled it |
| 02:30.10 | Sargun | god ~ # iptables -I INPUT --source ! 10.2.3.5 -p udp --dport 514 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 1999 |
| 02:30.10 | Sargun | iptables: Unknown error 4294967295 |
| 02:30.22 | Sargun | that can't be good :) |
| 02:32.16 | macnewbold | yeah, you're hozed Sargun |
| 02:32.21 | macnewbold | maybe you need a VPS |
| 02:32.39 | Sargun | I know I broke it |
| 02:32.42 | Sargun | I need a VPS |
| 02:32.47 | Sargun | It'll work on there |
| 02:32.49 | Sargun | :0 |
| 02:32.52 | macnewbold | ~sargun sargun |
| 02:33.01 | ibot | Want a VPS, sargun ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, sargun ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, sargun ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 02:33.53 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 02:34.41 | mheath[laptop] | The answer to the last question is apparently a resounding "No" for him. |
| 02:34.54 | macnewbold | probably safer for them that way, too |
| 02:35.02 | mheath[laptop] | Indeed. |
| 02:38.38 | Sargun | Atarack.coolness > girl.coolness |
| 02:38.47 | Sargun | atarack.money > girl.money |
| 02:39.01 | Sargun | atarack.complexity < girl.complexity+1000 |
| 02:40.58 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: I'll be happy to sell you a VPS....wait |
| 02:42.33 | Sargun | lol |
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| 03:03.06 | rsimpkins | I'm looking for an over the network method for backing up a Windows XP box. |
| 03:03.11 | rsimpkins | Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:03.39 | mheath[laptop]_ | rsimpkins: what kind of backup, personal files and settings, or a complete backup? |
| 03:03.55 | rsimpkins | mheath[laptop]_: a collection of files in various directories. |
| 03:04.19 | Sargun | emcnabb, I have a much beter solution. |
| 03:04.22 | Sargun | rsimpkins, rsync |
| 03:04.22 | rsimpkins | mheath[laptop]_: I'm concerned about other ppl in the network seeing something like an SMB share. Also concerned about the general security of SMB in general. |
| 03:04.32 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I'll have to install cygwin, no? |
| 03:04.47 | Sargun | you can just get a static rsync binary of the net. |
| 03:05.00 | mheath[laptop]_ | rsimpkins: SMB _does_ have password protection, you know? |
| 03:05.20 | rsimpkins | mheath[laptop]_: Yes. |
| 03:05.32 | rsimpkins | IMHO it still isn't good. |
| 03:05.38 | mheath[laptop]_ | But, you could write a simple script (or do it by hand) to upload them to an FTP location. |
| 03:05.53 | mheath[laptop]_ | Windows has a CLI ftp client, and theres plenty of others available for download. |
| 03:06.08 | rsimpkins | That's true, I was thinking of that. |
| 03:06.23 | rsimpkins | rsync would be wonderful if I can get it to work. |
| 03:07.12 | mheath[laptop]_ | rsimpkins: my personal opinion, though, is that a properly configured SMB share is quite secure. |
| 03:07.15 | rsimpkins | It looks like the only real packaging of rsync includes cygwin libs. |
| 03:08.01 | Sargun | rsimpkins, I can get you rsync in a bit, once I finish my homework. |
| 03:08.12 | rsimpkins | I just wish MS would open up their minds a little bit. What do they really expect people to do? |
| 03:08.14 | Sargun | I figured out emcnabb's Iptables problem :-D |
| 03:08.51 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I think I'm okay. I'll either install cygwin and get all the benefits of it - or do something like FTP or some other thing that has a free server for XP. |
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| 03:18.41 | bonez41 | macnewbold, sorry I am such a whiner on my issue here |
| 03:18.54 | bonez41 | it's just driving me nuts |
| 03:19.00 | macnewbold | I completely understand |
| 03:26.40 | bonez41 | macnewbold, with your understanding, any suggestions how to proceed now? I have 98se running on /dev/hda, another drive, which the BIOS sees, at /dev/hdb... another ide drive..and then my SATA drive..which the SATAcontroller card sees and notes the correct size during the boot screens, but Windows can't see this SATA drive.....despite my having installed the latest driver for it in windows....... |
| 03:27.48 | bonez41 | nor does grub see it... I run grub > root (hd2,0) and get Error 18: Selected drive can not be access due to BIOS not recognizing the sizing, or something to that effect.....it shows this on all 4 partitions on this SATA drive... |
| 03:27.53 | macnewbold | does windows see your SATA card? |
| 03:28.04 | bonez41 | yet, I can see, from GRUB....the partitions on the other drives..just fine |
| 03:28.17 | macnewbold | it wouldn't be surprising if windows couldn't open it as a windows filesystem, |
| 03:28.21 | bonez41 | yes, windows recognizes the SATA card and now has updated drivers......for it... |
| 03:28.23 | macnewbold | but it ought to at least see the card, |
| 03:28.26 | macnewbold | the drive, |
| 03:28.29 | macnewbold | and see some partitions on it |
| 03:28.36 | macnewbold | I think there's a Disk Manager somewhere |
| 03:28.40 | macnewbold | that should show you stuff |
| 03:28.42 | bonez41 | it doesn't see the drive...but recognizes the card..... |
| 03:28.45 | macnewbold | or if not, fdisk in a command prompt :) |
| 03:28.56 | macnewbold | where can you tell that it doesn't see the drive? |
| 03:29.16 | bonez41 | the drive has a disk manager diskette which I can boot the machine up with...I just don't want to hose the system on the SATA DRIVE...by running the disk and changing the drive.... |
| 03:29.30 | bonez41 | oh, fdisk from DOS/windows? |
| 03:30.19 | bonez41 | I open Device Manager..and it clearly sees the controller card .. SATA link drive..and shows it is up to date..,that's under the hard drive contrlollers...yet it doesn't show the drive or its contents |
| 03:30.37 | macnewbold | are you viewing devices by connection? |
| 03:30.43 | macnewbold | or is it by type that's the other one? |
| 03:30.49 | bonez41 | if I open Explorer and have it show the hardware..it shows the cdrom, the floppy, the C: drive..... |
| 03:31.02 | macnewbold | right, it won't sohw in explorer, cause it doesn't have a windows FS on it |
| 03:31.04 | bonez41 | hmmmm I think by connection..... |
| 03:31.15 | macnewbold | or does it? what partitions does the SATA have? |
| 03:31.18 | bonez41 | ok...that's why...clearly grub can see it there..... |
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| 03:31.35 | bonez41 | the SATA has 4 partitions if I am correct...1 swap...and then 3 others..... |
| 03:32.00 | macnewbold | which one is first? do you recall? And how did you put the data in them? (if there is data in them) |
| 03:32.07 | bonez41 | I swear I never wanted to enlist in the hard knocks drive configuration and troubleshooting course here over the past two weeks... |
| 03:32.42 | bonez41 | well, I had /home on one partition..and / on another and /usr on a third, I think...... |
| 03:32.54 | macnewbold | and a swap? no windows partion? |
| 03:32.57 | bonez41 | it's getting fuzzy now.... |
| 03:33.10 | bonez41 | no, on this SATA it was strictly a linux drive..... |
| 03:33.24 | macnewbold | okay, so windows explorer won't ever open any drives off of it |
| 03:33.49 | bonez41 | I had gotten to the point I was running out of room..so I added this new drive..and it just worked...out of the box....so i switched stuff over to it..but clearly I didn't get / switched over right.....or the MBR....to it.... |
| 03:34.04 | bonez41 | no , windows explorer won't open any drives on the SATA |
| 03:34.13 | bonez41 | it doesn't SEE the SATA |
| 03:34.16 | macnewbold | are there other drives on the sata? |
| 03:34.55 | bonez41 | other drives? just one controller card, one cable..and one SATA drive..it's a samsung 80gb..... |
| 03:35.01 | macnewbold | okay |
| 03:35.59 | macnewbold | It probably sees the SATA card, and might see that there's a drive connected to it, and maybe the partitions and their sizes, but it won't ever be able to mount any drive letters from it or see any files on it or anything like that. |
| 03:36.08 | bonez41 | I thought the trouble was my BIOS but they helped me understand that the BIOS is really only about IDE devices...stuff plugging directly into the motherboard..not for drives that plug into add-on controller cards |
| 03:36.19 | macnewbold | right, that's probably the case |
| 03:36.22 | macnewbold | when the machine boots, |
| 03:36.32 | bonez41 | right, windows would never be able to see or mount any drivess on this device |
| 03:36.34 | macnewbold | does the SATA card go through some initialization screen? |
| 03:36.52 | macnewbold | is there an option in the bios to make the SATA card or SATA drive the one that it boots from? |
| 03:37.07 | bonez41 | yeah, the SATA has its own BIOS..i downloaded today a BIOS update for the SATA controller,a nd I believe the date for it is newer now...that it is updated..... |
| 03:37.10 | macnewbold | (or so it attempts it at some point during the boot order) |
| 03:38.03 | bonez41 | nothing in the BIOS to deal at all with the SATA...the BIOS allows one to boot from A, C, CDROM, LZIP, or SCSI....I think....maybe I should try the switch for SCSI if it's there.... |
| 03:38.26 | bonez41 | I haven't looked closely enough at that aspect of the boot process....in the BIOS..but I will.... |
| 03:38.39 | macnewbold | aha |
| 03:38.51 | macnewbold | well if your motherboard bios can't use it as a boot device, |
| 03:38.57 | macnewbold | you'll probably not be able to boot from it |
| 03:39.17 | macnewbold | unless it were on the motherboard directly, which it sounds like yours doesn't support SATA |
| 03:39.46 | bonez41 | ok, let's say I can't boot from it...can I create a floppy diskette...that would contain enough coode to allow the machine to boot and then to turn the operation over to the SATA drive after it has booted? |
| 03:40.32 | bonez41 | essentially, that's how it booted before...before I tooke out the two older drives..it booted off one which then passed controll over to the SATA |
| 03:44.41 | bonez41 | stumped eh? |
| 03:44.58 | bonez41 | or more likely, asleep... |
| 03:47.16 | bonez41 | I'd happily boot up for now, from a floppy....is that worked....if nothing else...if i could just activate my drive..I'd move everything off it...and onto a new system and purge all this......and make it an ASTERISK server or something........or print server |
| 03:47.59 | bonez41 | if I only had a backup of my fstab....that might help me..... |
| 03:48.52 | bonez41 | quatsch |
| 03:49.35 | findlay | bonez41: fdisk -l might give you some clues to what your fstab looked like assuming you lost it |
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| 03:50.25 | bonez41 | if I boot up with a DOS disk and then fdisk -l ? |
| 03:50.45 | findlay | no, it's a linux command |
| 03:50.52 | findlay | can you not use a knoppix CD? |
| 03:52.11 | bonez41 | I should use a knoppix CD.....I don't have one though....I ahve a cd burner on my win xp box at work..I guess I could burn one there...right? |
| 03:52.25 | bonez41 | just d/l the iso image and then toss it in the linux machine? |
| 03:52.32 | bonez41 | would it have fdisk on it? |
| 03:53.15 | findlay | knoppix has every command you would ever wish for in a time of crisis |
| 03:53.22 | findlay | except LVM, IIRC |
| 03:53.35 | findlay | and maybe some other RAID stuff |
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| 03:54.00 | bonez41 | ok..no raid to worry about... |
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| 03:54.56 | bonez41 | ok, I'll create a knoppix cd when I get back to my office |
| 03:55.15 | findlay | bonez41: good luck with everything |
| 03:56.28 | findlay | if it comes down to it (I don't want to give you advice that will cause you more trouble) most hardware can be got cheap from newegg or wherever |
| 03:57.10 | findlay | if your hardware is giving you unacceptable amounts of trouble |
| 03:58.31 | macnewbold | bonez41: sorry, I got pulled away. booting from a CD would probably be better, like knoppix, but a floppy could work if it's got enough stuff on it for what you need. I don't know what you'd need to get it rolling off the sata though. |
| 03:58.37 | bonez41 | findlay, thanks |
| 03:58.50 | bonez41 | macnewbold, not to worry |
| 03:59.08 | bonez41 | I'll try knoppix tonight... |
| 04:04.22 | bonez41 | thanks for your help.... |
| 04:09.44 | findlay | how would you turn discard into a noun? |
| 04:09.57 | findlay | discarding? |
| 04:12.12 | levi_ | discard could probably be used as a noun as well. |
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| 04:13.20 | levi_ | Adding -ing makes it a gerund, which is a kind of noun, but still leaves it kind of verby. |
| 04:14.39 | findlay | gerrund is a verb functioning as an adjective, right? |
| 04:15.54 | levi_ | As a noun. |
| 04:16.11 | levi_ | Like, 'my favorite sport is cycling' |
| 04:16.22 | levi_ | cycle is a verb, but cycling is a gerund. |
| 04:16.49 | findlay | an object noun |
| 04:27.21 | macnewbold | cycling is not only a gerund but a noun |
| 04:31.02 | findlay | heh |
| 04:31.23 | findlay | subjective noun |
| 04:35.34 | levi_ | macnewbold: A gerund is a kind of noun. |
| 04:37.26 | levi | Not all verbs ending in -ing are gerunds... sometimes they're the present participle form. |
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| 04:38.43 | elg | As in it's time to go swimming |
| 04:38.47 | elg | right? |
| 04:49.09 | levi | That's a gerund. |
| 04:49.30 | levi | Er... |
| 04:49.38 | levi | Hmm. |
| 04:49.59 | levi | 'I'm swimming' is the present participle. |
| 04:50.08 | levi | 'I like swimming' is the gerund. |
| 04:50.54 | levi | I suppose 'go swimming' would be the participle as well. |
| 04:51.21 | levi | elg: Any reason why you chose cygwin with mingw as opposed to msys and mingw? |
| 04:51.37 | elg | I know cygwin and makefiles |
| 04:51.47 | elg | and installing mingw on its own is a royal pain |
| 04:52.02 | levi | I didn't have any trouble with it. |
| 04:52.08 | levi | It comes with an installer now. |
| 04:52.11 | elg | I couldn't even figure out what to download |
| 04:52.20 | levi | Yeah, that was the tricky part. |
| 04:52.27 | elg | tricky is an understatement |
| 04:53.08 | levi | Anyway, msys comes with bash, vim, and some form of rxvt. |
| 04:53.47 | levi | And the rest of mingw has all the compiler stuff. |
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| 05:14.03 | mheath[laptop] | Time to head to sleep, I think. |
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| 05:36.09 | Sargun | or not |
| 05:36.27 | Sargun | ~onjoin Sargun say hi |
| 05:36.27 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
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| 05:36.42 | Sargun | ~whatis Sargun |
| 05:38.33 | Sargun | ~onjoin mheath Want a VPS, mheath?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, mheath ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, mheath ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San?? How is Leilas?? How is your Knee? |
| 05:38.33 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
| 05:38.37 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:05.10 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: onjoin mheath Thankfully, you're reading this right now rather than some random crap out of the mouth of Sargun. |
| 06:05.10 | ibot | mheath[laptop]: ok |
| 06:10.12 | Sargun | How can I give fake ARP answers saying that 10.1.1.1 is = 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
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| 07:30.19 | ithinkyourecrazy | hi |
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| 07:33.58 | Sargun | hi |
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| 12:35.16 | graphyx | I want to do a weekly tar for a backup. |
| 12:35.27 | graphyx | is there a command I can do to automatically put the date on the file? |
| 12:35.36 | graphyx | tar backup-`date`? |
| 12:35.57 | graphyx | or rather tar -czvf back-`date` folder? |
| 12:49.27 | maquis | graphyx: try it? |
| 12:50.28 | maquis | graphyx: you'll probably wanti t in a different format |
| 12:50.37 | graphyx | does date do that? |
| 12:50.41 | maquis | check to see if there's an option for date to put it in yyyymmdd format |
| 12:50.51 | maquis | graphyx: i dunno :) |
| 12:50.53 | graphyx | ok cool. |
| 12:51.05 | maquis | i'm sure something does, though :) |
| 12:53.50 | graphyx | backup-`date +'%Y-%m-%d'` |
| 12:53.53 | graphyx | does just what I want. |
| 12:53.54 | graphyx | thanks. |
| 13:00.46 | maquis | np... |
| 13:00.49 | maquis | glad you found it :) |
| 13:02.02 | graphyx | At first I was guessing the date command. |
| 13:02.14 | graphyx | But I suppose that I am not the first person to think such a thing would be useful. |
| 13:08.43 | maquis | :) |
| 13:08.48 | maquis | you haven't used it before? |
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| 13:10.07 | graphyx | nope |
| 13:13.17 | maquis | crisco? |
| 13:13.45 | redbeard1 | maquis: i tried to get elg to explain it to me, but he said i didn't want to know |
| 13:15.33 | redbeard1 | so we best just leave it at that |
| 13:16.11 | southsky | It is funny, thought. |
| 13:16.17 | southsky | though. |
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| 13:18.50 | graphyx | Well I think I may be posting a security advisory in the next couple of days for an OS project. |
| 13:19.06 | redbeard1 | oh yeah? which one? |
| 13:19.35 | graphyx | redbeard1: I'll release more details once they have a patch in place. |
| 13:20.40 | redbeard1 | don't even want to say which project? |
| 13:21.10 | redbeard1 | i guess that's probably wise |
| 13:24.20 | maquis | graphyx: cool! i'm impressed |
| 13:25.04 | graphyx | Oh, just had to look at the project. |
| 13:25.04 | graphyx | Nothing too hard really. |
| 13:26.11 | maquis | graphyx: since you're not saying which project, can you say what general kind of vulnerability it exploited? |
| 13:26.38 | graphyx | sure. |
| 13:26.56 | graphyx | insecure password reset function allowed external knowledge of what the password was reset to. |
| 13:27.07 | maquis | ooh |
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| 14:16.56 | redbeard1 | anyone see my name is earl last night? |
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| 14:18.42 | Cleetus | ~lart brac |
| 14:19.48 | herlo | -lart ibot |
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| 14:29.57 | Sargun | anyone have any clue on how to fix this? |
| 14:30.03 | Sargun | I am getting DDoSed. |
| 14:31.52 | Sargun | Can I turn off ARP? |
| 14:32.00 | Sargun | can I make my machine STFU |
| 14:32.53 | atoponce | turn it off |
| 14:34.20 | herlo | pull the network |
| 14:35.33 | tensai | generally speaking, a ddos is best handled at your upstream. have them blackhole your machine. |
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| 14:37.42 | Sargun | ermle. |
| 14:57.33 | levi_ | Good morning. |
| 15:02.04 | bonez39 | is there any 'better' way to burn a knoppix cd ? any tricks to making a good disc? |
| 15:04.51 | emcnabb | levi_: good morning |
| 15:05.26 | levi_ | Oh my goodness. Someone posted to comp.lang.misc a question asking what programming language is best suited for a Republican. |
| 15:06.05 | redbeard1 | levi_: that's awesome. now i want to know too. |
| 15:06.54 | redbeard1 | that's just begging for a joke email to be written. |
| 15:06.59 | levi_ | As you can imagine, it quickly turned into a bunch of thinly-veiled insults towards Democrats by Republicans, and vice versa. |
| 15:07.56 | redbeard1 | well sure, i wouldn't expect anything less |
| 15:10.48 | redbeard1 | that's what i love about america, you know? |
| 15:11.04 | redbeard1 | the freedom to bicker. |
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| 15:11.34 | redbeard1 | it makes me sad to think of all that mud over in russia, with nobody to sling it at anyone else. |
| 15:11.56 | redbeard1 | or china. i guess russia's not really communist anymore, is it? |
| 15:11.57 | Jayce^ | russia, think man, it's all in elbonia! |
| 15:12.08 | redbeard1 | mmm, elbonian mud! |
| 15:13.03 | redbeard1 | elbonia does have slings at the airport, though |
| 15:13.23 | redbeard1 | would they be considered mud-slings? |
| 15:13.47 | redbeard1 | that would mean that elbonia does practice the american art of mud-slinging |
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| 15:15.55 | southsky | ~lart neybar |
| 15:26.38 | levi_ | redbeard1: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.misc/browse_frm/thread/6279d211ff292551/8f9cfa4904a18c8a?tvc=1#8f9cfa4904a18c8a |
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| 15:30.16 | redbeard1 | levi_: dude, this is brutal |
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| 15:34.21 | levi_ | redbeard1: It digresses into a poorly-informed criticism of Lisp and responses to it, some of which are also poorly informed. |
| 15:34.40 | redbeard1 | yeah, i just got to the lisp part |
| 15:34.59 | redbeard1 | i thought the thing about c was funny tho (guns don't kill people, people kill peopl) |
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| 15:36.35 | redbeard1 | >>> What programming language better suits a Republican? I need help deciding. |
| 15:36.35 | redbeard1 | >> As far as I know, there is no oil in programming languages. |
| 15:36.35 | redbeard1 | >Except a lot of snake oil in some. |
| 15:38.39 | mheath | redbeard1, Cobol. |
| 15:38.42 | mheath | =P |
| 15:39.15 | redbeard1 | see, this is why i generally avoid that area of the usenet. |
| 15:39.25 | redbeard1 | but there were some funny ones |
| 15:39.27 | mheath | I had to say that |
| 15:40.04 | mheath | I'm very much a democrat...it made me mad because 99.9% of the Marine Corps recruits seemed to consider themselves republicans just for the sake of being republican, without really knowing any of the views of the party |
| 15:41.31 | mheath | But I digress, before I inadvertently start a political conversation. |
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| 15:53.07 | findlay | mheath: you still ready for 6:00 pm today? |
| 15:53.34 | mheath | findlay: Thanks for reminding me! I almost forgot! |
| 15:53.40 | findlay | heh |
| 15:53.40 | mheath | Yeah, I'll be here. |
| 15:53.43 | findlay | OK |
| 15:53.43 | mheath | Still have my address? |
| 15:53.47 | findlay | yeah |
| 15:53.58 | mheath | Let me fire it up and print off a test page really quick. |
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| 15:57.25 | mheath | findlay: Yep, it's good to go :) |
| 15:57.47 | mheath | If my dad answers the door (older gentleman), just ask for Michael. |
| 15:59.49 | mheath | findlay: or just tell him you're hear to pick up the printer....if for any reason I'm not around, I'll tell him to get the money and give it to you. |
| 16:00.50 | findlay | k |
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| 16:10.46 | levi_ | I usually put it off until a couple of months after it's due. ;) |
| 16:11.09 | levi_ | I generally have another car to drive in the mean time, though. |
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| 16:28.15 | redbeard1 | oh man. my inspections are in october. i didn't even think about that. |
| 16:30.17 | levi | I hate dealing with inspections. |
| 16:30.46 | redbeard1 | there's a place by my work that's pretty quick. i just do it on lunch. |
| 16:31.15 | Keighvin | redbeard1: I've got mine in November, I'll have to get you to point that place out to me. |
| 16:33.16 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: there's a valvolene oil change station just south of the corner of state street and 1200 north in orem. i do both oil changes and inspections there. |
| 16:34.30 | redbeard1 | i've never had a full-service oil change there take more than 10 minutes, and it's usually closer to 5... and that includes vacuuming. |
| 16:35.45 | levi | Nice. |
| 16:35.51 | Keighvin | Indeed. |
| 16:35.53 | redbeard1 | yeah, i like them |
| 16:35.59 | Keighvin | $? |
| 16:37.12 | redbeard1 | it's a little more expensive... something like $29. but i have them use the maxlife oil, so it's another $6 or so for me |
| 16:38.25 | redbeard1 | but they seem to do a good job and they're pretty fast, so i like them. |
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| 17:04.28 | beandog | hmm |
| 17:04.34 | beandog | is there an easy way to list the UDFs in psql |
| 17:24.40 | Keighvin | Aren't those stored in pg_proc? |
| 17:33.27 | beandog | yahp |
| 17:33.28 | beandog | thanks |
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| 17:35.01 | scothoser | Morning everyone! ^_^ |
| 17:41.11 | Keighvin | barely. :() |
| 17:41.13 | Keighvin | :) |
| 17:41.22 | Keighvin | Sheesh, not a good way to fat finger an emoticon. |
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| 17:53.54 | bonez39 | I just downloaded a knoppix iso to burn to cd...I only have the tools available under xp .. how do I burn the iso? |
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| 17:56.35 | Cleetus | http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm |
| 17:56.41 | Cleetus | there's a free sio writer for winxp |
| 17:56.44 | macnewbold | bonez39: deepburner also works |
| 17:56.48 | Cleetus | s/sio/iso |
| 17:56.58 | macnewbold | again, you'd have to download it first though |
| 17:58.01 | bonez39 | so there's nothing that comes with xp that allows burning an iso |
| 17:58.11 | Cleetus | not natively, no |
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| 17:59.27 | bonez39 | ok |
| 18:00.16 | mheath | Wow, that was a shady place. |
| 18:00.35 | mheath | I got a new windshield in my car, and it came with a free Safety Inspection. |
| 18:01.12 | mheath | The place was scary, and in a scary part of town...and I wasn't able to get my emissions test done there because their license to do emissions tests had been revoked. |
| 18:01.36 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:01.39 | mheath | He was complaining about that to me, and then he didn't even actually CHECK anything for the safety test. |
| 18:01.45 | mheath | And he wonders why his license got revoked |
| 18:01.50 | macnewbold | no doubt |
| 18:02.03 | macnewbold | what was the name? (so I don't go there by accident :) ) |
| 18:02.15 | macnewbold | and which town? |
| 18:02.37 | mheath | macnewbold, Break Time in Ogden. If you get a windshield from "Logan Class" (in Ogden, not Logan) they give you a free safety check there. |
| 18:03.01 | mheath | I had to go to Jiffy Lube for my emissions inspection |
| 18:03.02 | macnewbold | "Logan Class"? not "Logan Glass"? |
| 18:03.07 | mheath | *Glass |
| 18:03.13 | macnewbold | k, I won't go there |
| 18:03.25 | mheath | Sit in Jiffy Lube's waiting room and listen to the tech troubleshoot computer problems over the phone |
| 18:03.55 | mheath | "Now it says, 'We are sorry for the inconvenience, but Windows was not able to start normally' and 'Start windows normally' is highligted." for 20 minutes. |
| 18:04.43 | mheath | "Now it's on that main screen with the...flag looking thing and the moving rectangles in the little box." |
| 18:05.31 | mheath | findlay, you around? |
| 18:05.34 | mheath | :) |
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| 18:06.17 | mheath | Oh, by the way. We'd LOVE to have everyone out for the OALUG meeting tomorrow! It's at 12PM (Noon), and should be awesome. Check out our website at www.oalug.com for details. |
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| 18:07.55 | beandog | mheath: linux distro smackdown? |
| 18:08.02 | beandog | Now how could I refuse that? >:D |
| 18:08.25 | mheath | beandog, Hope you'll come :) |
| 18:08.47 | beandog | whose going to be presenting on Gentoo? |
| 18:09.29 | mheath[laptop] | Not sure. The presenters are Aaron Toponce, Kevin Carter, John Kennedy, and Joe Barney |
| 18:11.10 | beandog | I hear atoponce is a closet gentoo fanboi. |
| 18:11.18 | mheath | haha. |
| 18:11.34 | mheath | Ubuntu is my favorite. Comes after using Slackware and Gentoo for years.. |
| 18:11.50 | fozzmoo | That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, I'm afraid. |
| 18:11.52 | Keighvin | ibot: atoponce is a closet gentoo fanboy. |
| 18:11.53 | ibot | ...but atoponce is already something else... |
| 18:11.59 | mheath | fozzmoo, indeed. |
| 18:12.05 | Keighvin | ~atoponce |
| 18:12.06 | ibot | somebody said atoponce was the coolest Ubuntu user in Utah! |
| 18:12.18 | Keighvin | They lied, ibot. They lied. |
| 18:12.26 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 18:12.28 | ibot | methinks beandog is cool |
| 18:12.28 | mheath | fozzmoo, said what? |
| 18:12.32 | beandog | :) |
| 18:13.07 | Keighvin | ~Keighvin |
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| 18:13.45 | mheath | I think that if Ubuntu was advertised as "Ubuntu Desktop OS" with "Based on GNU/Linux" listed in smaller script or as a feature, rather than "Ubuntu GNU/Linux", it'd be more successful....... |
| 18:14.03 | mheath | I personally think Ubuntu has a LOT of potential in blossoming into a popular desktop operating system for the masses. |
| 18:14.14 | beandog | me too |
| 18:14.44 | mheath | I love its ease of use. Compare a HOWTO on installing software on Fedora to Ubuntu. The Fedora will say "Well, grab this, this, and this, from a thirdy party site...then open up a terminal and install them using RPM, then..." |
| 18:15.16 | mheath | Ubuntu will more often than not say "Install it using the Add/Remove Programs dialog box in the Applications menu" |
| 18:15.32 | beandog | gentoo says, good luck, n00b, hahahhah! |
| 18:15.35 | beandog | :) |
| 18:16.11 | mheath | Gentoo is actually not that hard to use for the current 'normal' GNU/Linux user |
| 18:16.27 | mheath | but there is a world of difference between the current normal GNU/Linux user and the current normal _computer_ user. |
| 18:18.07 | mheath | I absolutely love that with 95% of the supported hardware, theres no weird configuration or setup |
| 18:18.14 | mheath | Drivers are seamlessly kept up to date with the rest of the system... |
| 18:18.27 | mheath | Way better than endless searches for and manual updating of Windows drivers. |
| 18:18.34 | beandog | yah |
| 18:18.49 | mheath | Not to mention that one driver in Linux usually supports an entire chipset, wheras a driver in Windows will usually support one _model_. |
| 18:18.50 | beandog | my favorite point about linux distros is just central software repositories |
| 18:18.53 | beandog | no hunting, period. |
| 18:19.21 | beandog | not to mention hashsums of software so you know it hasnt been tampered with. |
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| 19:24.20 | nick125_lappy | 5 |
| 19:24.22 | nick125_lappy | err |
| 19:24.33 | mheath | findlay, ping |
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| 19:28.04 | mheath | Hmm, Maybe _today_ I'll get some money from the USMC |
| 19:28.07 | findlay | mheath: yeah |
| 19:28.13 | mheath | and, once again, maybe today pigs will fly. |
| 19:28.23 | mheath | Someone told me they were scheduled for that today, though |
| 19:28.33 | mheath | findlay, Interested in anything else I have while you're out here? :P |
| 19:28.44 | findlay | probably not |
| 19:28.47 | mheath | findlay, KVM, mice, software |
| 19:28.50 | mheath | Aww :( |
| 19:29.25 | mheath | Mostly games. |
| 19:48.48 | mrpull_ | what is the name of the default icon set used in KDE? |
| 19:54.41 | mheath | Ugh. After I left for the USMC and my dad was cooking for one, he started buying some "Healthy Request" brand microwave meals. |
| 19:54.48 | mheath | They remind me of the food the Marine Corps had |
| 19:54.49 | mheath | blah |
| 19:56.04 | findlay | crystal? |
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| 20:01.40 | beandog | thats what I was going to guess. |
| 20:01.45 | beandog | crystal-svg |
| 20:02.05 | beandog | Theyve got their own sf page, somewhere.. |
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| 20:13.03 | redbeard1 | homestarrunner ringtones |
| 20:13.13 | redbeard1 | does life _get_ any better? |
| 20:15.36 | Keighvin | redbeard1: No it doesn't. |
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| 20:15.59 | mheath | I guess it's true what they say...One man's junk is another man's tresure. |
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| 20:23.32 | mheath | redbeard1, ping |
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| 20:33.30 | harleypig | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060929/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_leisure_basie |
| 20:33.39 | harleypig | I'm looking forward to this album |
| 20:35.18 | redbeard1 | mheath: one man's junk? what do you mean by that? |
| 20:37.54 | mheath | redbeard1, I was joking. |
| 20:38.05 | Tene | anyone mysql-friendly here? |
| 20:38.05 | redbeard1 | i guess i'll forgive you this time then |
| 20:38.09 | mheath | redbeard1, any suggestions on how to season a game hen? |
| 20:38.14 | redbeard1 | Tene: i like mysql |
| 20:38.37 | mheath | Cornish game hen.. |
| 20:38.38 | Tene | trying to create a table with a unique varchar column. |
| 20:38.46 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.50 | Tene | mysql complains with: |
| 20:39.00 | redbeard1 | mheath: i've never actually cooked a game hen before, but i can't imagine it tastes all that much different than a regular chicken. just season the same way you normally would. |
| 20:39.22 | redbeard1 | Tene: varchar is only up to 255 characters, iirc |
| 20:39.28 | Tene | ERROR 1170 (42000) at line 8: BLOB/TEXT column 'guid' used in key specification without a key length |
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| 20:39.41 | mheath | redbeard1, well, any idea how to season a chicken? I usually just use preblended spicies (McCormick brand "Rotisserie Chicken Seasoning" or the like) |
| 20:39.56 | Tene | There are other varchar(500)s that seem to work just fine. |
| 20:40.06 | Tene | I'll try it, though. |
| 20:40.13 | redbeard1 | Tene: that's been my experience. if you need to store more than 255 characters, i would recommend a text column tho. |
| 20:40.21 | redbeard1 | or blob if you're storing binary |
| 20:41.05 | mheath | I actually wouldn't mind something interesting for this....IE, cajun or thai or something |
| 20:41.05 | Tene | ERROR 1170 (42000) at line 8: BLOB/TEXT column 'guid' used in key specification without a key length |
| 20:41.05 | redbeard1 | mheath: start with kosher salt, of course. then i usually use chile powder, though recently i've been using curry powder a lot. |
| 20:41.08 | Tene | same when I change varchar to text. |
| 20:41.24 | redbeard1 | Tene: what does the line look like now? |
| 20:41.30 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.56 | redbeard1 | i would guess you can't define a text column as unique |
| 20:42.03 | Tene | ... |
| 20:42.13 | mheath | redbeard1, I was thinking a garlic clove and some onion in the cavity along with some kosher salt, then the outside seasoned with some kosher salt, curry powder...but is there anything else that goes along well with curry powder? =\ |
| 20:42.14 | redbeard1 | what are you storing that needs to be only 500 chars or less? |
| 20:42.32 | Tene | Just storing a URL there. |
| 20:42.41 | Tene | Don't really care about the length. |
| 20:42.49 | findlay | mheath: leaving now. I have some errands to do but I may arrive a little early. |
| 20:42.59 | mheath | findlay, no problem. I'll see you in a bit |
| 20:43.09 | mheath | findlay, want my number incase you have trouble finding the place? |
| 20:43.22 | redbeard1 | Tene: it used to be that url's couldn't be longer than 255 characters anyway. some servers and browsers accept it now, but i've found it to be rare |
| 20:43.52 | Tene | Huh. It works with varchar(255) |
| 20:43.55 | Tene | Thanks. |
| 20:44.15 | redbeard1 | mheath: i made a paste the other day using golden raisins, cashews and curry powder... but i'm afraid i don't know curry nearly as well as i would like. |
| 20:44.28 | mheath | redbeard1, did that turn out pretty good? |
| 20:44.32 | redbeard1 | Tene: np. working on a spider? |
| 20:44.40 | mheath | And how would I apply the paste to it? just kind of smear it on? |
| 20:44.42 | Tene | nope. rss aggregator. |
| 20:44.54 | redbeard1 | mheath: it did... it was based on some chicken korma that i had at bombay house. |
| 20:45.11 | redbeard1 | mheath: yeah, that would work |
| 20:45.23 | findlay | mheath: I'll be fine. I've written it down and I don't have a phone (: |
| 20:45.36 | redbeard1 | Tene: yeah, i'd be surprised if you found a whole lot of rss feeds with longer urls than that. i think you should be okay. |
| 20:45.48 | mheath | redbeard1, do you think the garlic and onion will be OK inside the cavity with that mixture on the outside? |
| 20:46.07 | redbeard1 | mheath: yeah, you'll be fine with that. make sure you bruise the garlic first tho |
| 20:46.11 | mheath | redbeard1, thanks, and again, sorry I keep bothering you so much....but its nice to have somone knowledgable to ask questions! |
| 20:46.26 | Tene | redbeard1: that stores guids for the articles. things like 'http://digg.com/tech_news/PC_World_s_100_Fearless_Forecasts' |
| 20:46.37 | Tene | to take a random example from my test feed. |
| 20:46.39 | redbeard1 | mheath: no prob |
| 20:47.13 | redbeard1 | Tene: the only time i've found urls longer than 255 characters was with overly complex cgi apps.... i think you'll be find. |
| 20:47.37 | Tene | kk |
| 20:50.10 | dilvie | Mute Math concert tonight @ Club Sound |
| 20:50.11 | dilvie | $15 |
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| 20:52.08 | dilvie | the band is all Christian, for you Mormons, and not overtly religious for the non-Christians. I love them, and I'm buddhist. |
| 20:52.28 | dilvie | http://www.myspace.com/mutemath |
| 20:52.34 | ^Migs^ | sounds boring |
| 20:52.46 | harleypig | They're on myspace ... they must suck |
| 20:52.53 | ^Migs^ | no kidding |
| 20:53.01 | ^Migs^ | why are Hollywood movies put on myspace, too? |
| 20:53.12 | ^Migs^ | I mean, wtf? Is it that hard to buy a web site? |
| 20:53.34 | southsky | Apparently. |
| 20:53.43 | harleypig | I've always wondered why they buy a domain that'll only be good for a few months ... better to have a subdomain or directory |
| 20:53.48 | harleypig | But why myspace? |
| 20:54.02 | dilvie | Mute Math is actually one of the most energetic bands I know of. |
| 20:54.05 | harleypig | why not sonymovies.com/moviename or something |
| 20:54.05 | dilvie | not the least bit boring. |
| 20:54.06 | redbeard1 | it's the new black |
| 20:54.17 | harleypig | dilvie: energetic != good |
| 20:54.30 | southsky | ~lart harleypig |
| 20:54.34 | dilvie | harleypig: in this case, they're both. |
| 20:55.11 | harleypig | uh huh ... they're a christian rock band ... good and christian rock is an oxymoron. |
| 20:55.16 | Tene | What time does the show start? |
| 20:55.35 | dilvie | Tene: Tickets say 6:00, but they'll probably go on last. |
| 20:55.42 | mheath | redbeard1, you said you used golden raisins...I'm going to try the same thing, but we have some raisen-style tried currants that I think would be tasty instead |
| 20:55.43 | mrpull_ | oohh... google's new rss reader looks a lot better. |
| 20:55.45 | Tene | Evaluating to what? |
| 20:55.48 | dilvie | harleypig: you may want to listen before talking out your arse. |
| 20:55.57 | mrpull_ | and may beat bloglines |
| 20:56.18 | redbeard1 | mheath: i think you'll be okay with that |
| 20:56.48 | harleypig | dilvie: I can't ... the knobtweakers.net site is flash based ... no flash for amd64 linux |
| 20:56.49 | mheath | redbeard1, why just okay? Sounds really good to me =\ |
| 20:56.55 | harleypig | got an mp3 I can listen to? |
| 20:57.09 | dilvie | harleypig: no, unfortunately. |
| 20:57.14 | harleypig | and dilvie? I always talk out my ass, it's my fundamental nature |
| 20:57.24 | redbeard1 | mheath: what i mean is that it probably won't be a bad thing. it could be a very good thing indeed. |
| 20:57.30 | dilvie | I tried to get clearance to post one, but they've been touring like mad and haven't had much time to get back to people. |
| 20:57.55 | mheath | haha..."It's a good thing." |
| 20:57.57 | mheath | =P |
| 20:57.59 | ^Migs^ | omg, poker night tonight. I'm going to clean everyone out. |
| 20:58.15 | mheath | ^Migs^, you didn't invite me :( |
| 20:58.16 | ^Migs^ | I could really use some extra money, too |
| 20:58.22 | redbeard1 | gah! no martha! |
| 20:58.27 | ^Migs^ | I'm not the inviter |
| 20:58.32 | mheath | ^Migs^, I could really use some money. |
| 20:58.35 | mheath | period. |
| 20:58.44 | mheath | Luckily, findlay is on the way with $40 |
| 20:58.45 | ^Migs^ | well, you wouldn't win, because I'm going to be there |
| 20:59.00 | mheath | I probably wouldn't I don't know how to play poker. |
| 20:59.08 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 20:59.10 | mheath | I would, however, do an excellent job of making a full out of myself. |
| 20:59.11 | ^Migs^ | you don't even know 5-card draw? |
| 20:59.21 | mheath | *fool |
| 20:59.24 | mheath | ^Migs^, No. |
| 20:59.39 | sontek | hop on yahoo games! |
| 20:59.41 | mheath | I live in Utah and I'm 17. I know how to play some games with cards; none of them are poker =P |
| 20:59.42 | ^Migs^ | poker's easy to learn |
| 20:59.45 | harleypig | eric the awful |
| 20:59.49 | harleypig | the brutal and tenacious |
| 21:00.05 | southsky | harleypig: Why? Why must you sing that? |
| 21:00.21 | mheath | Because harleypig's singing is brutal and tenacious? |
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| 21:00.49 | southsky | I'll vouch for that. |
| 21:00.59 | harleypig | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 21:01.01 | harleypig | SNAKE!! |
| 21:01.04 | harleypig | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 21:01.07 | harleypig | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 21:01.20 | redbeard1 | harleypig: dude, lay off the shrooms, eh? |
| 21:01.21 | mheath | harleypig, the Snake has to be someone other than you. |
| 21:01.32 | mheath | And is this Harry Potter-themed duck-duck-goose or what? |
| 21:01.34 | harleypig | uhhh |
| 21:01.38 | harleypig | what? |
| 21:01.58 | mheath | Nevermind. |
| 21:02.16 | harleypig | Yeah, except in this game you use an ice-pick to smack the top of everyones head. |
| 21:02.53 | southsky | harleypig: You're nearly as disturbing as Keighvin. |
| 21:03.02 | mheath | harleypig: The sad thing is, long ago I would have thought you were very, very weird for saying something like that. |
| 21:03.04 | harleypig | Nearly? |
| 21:03.07 | mheath | Then I spent some time in the Marine Corps. |
| 21:03.12 | harleypig | :> |
| 21:03.37 | harleypig | Did you get to scrub the squad bay with your toothbrush? |
| 21:04.11 | mheath | harleypig, No, not my toothbrush. We had larger bristle brushes for scrubbing the squadbay |
| 21:04.33 | mheath | Did get the opportunity to dump my footlocker onto a vomit covered floor after being forced to drink so much water our enire platoon started vomitting. |
| 21:04.56 | harleypig | heh ... used your shirts to mop up did you? |
| 21:05.06 | mheath | More or less =P |
| 21:05.29 | mheath | right before lights out too |
| 21:05.36 | mheath | had to get up in the dark and finish cleaning up, quietly |
| 21:05.56 | mheath | could have only taken 15 minutes at the most, but 15 minutes out of your sleep there seems like cruel and unusual punishment |
| 21:06.00 | harleypig | on your own or did the di dump you outta bed |
| 21:06.04 | mrpull_ | doh... bloglines made some ajaxy updates too |
| 21:06.10 | mrpull_ | ~seen sjansen |
| 21:06.28 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 15d 5h 36m 48s ago, saying: 'http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/14/BAGPJL5DHV1.DTL'. |
| 21:06.29 | mheath | harleypig, no, we were just expected to clean it up. The squadbay was a mess....20+ people throwing up |
| 21:06.33 | harleypig | try waking up in the air after your di has overturned your rack |
| 21:06.56 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, I used -moz-border-radius to give my web page elements rounded corners lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol |
| 21:07.20 | harleypig | ^Migs^: what happened to the !!!11!!!1one ? |
| 21:07.22 | mheath | harleypig, I don't think I'll ever meet another breed of people like the Marine Corps drill instructor. |
| 21:07.43 | harleypig | you better hope not ... they were leased in boot |
| 21:07.50 | harleypig | s/leased/leashed/ |
| 21:08.12 | harleypig | I met some mercs that were 10 times worse |
| 21:08.18 | ^Migs^ | 222@22@@@@22! |
| 21:08.28 | mheath | Thats the scary thing, realizing that the entire officer and command structure there is basically setup to stop the drill instructors from going overboard =P |
| 21:08.31 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:08.59 | harleypig | more like stop them from leaving marks |
| 21:09.20 | ^Migs^ | one reason I don't want to join the Marines |
| 21:09.27 | harleypig | I got a number of ... personalized motivational sessions after lights out from my drills |
| 21:10.08 | mheath | 'personalized motivational sessions'...lmao |
| 21:10.55 | harleypig | It's amazing how much an orange in a sock can hurt. |
| 21:11.55 | mheath | I think the closest thing to an appology I ever heard out of a drill instructors mouth was, after I got dropped to the Medical Rehabilitation Platoon, I got stuck on a working party helping get a squadbay ready for some new recruits...One of the drill instructors grabbed me and pulled me hard over to the side ("I need one of you." and people didn't respond fast enough), not knowing my leg was injured, and basically pulled all my weight |
| 21:11.55 | mheath | onto the injured leg which gave way underneath me... |
| 21:12.07 | mheath | "That was an accident, you understand?" I was amazed he even said that.. |
| 21:12.27 | mheath | harleypig, did the drill instructors back then stick "you understand" at the end of almost everything they said? |
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| 21:12.50 | harleypig | No, it was usually some insult "maggot" seemed to be their favorite |
| 21:13.16 | mheath | They almost always stuck that at the end of their sentences....Though you could tell that, by the way they said it, they couldn't care less if you understood. |
| 21:13.22 | harleypig | If they had to ask 'do you understand' it was usually followed by 'drop and give me 60' |
| 21:13.48 | mheath | ~it harleypig |
| 21:13.57 | ibot | So we want to be stupid, right, harleypig ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 21:14.30 | mheath | Those were the three most common sentence formats I heard: |
| 21:14.50 | mheath | "So we want to be {stupid, slow, lazy}, right?" |
| 21:15.00 | mheath | "_______, get them on line, right now!" |
| 21:15.13 | mheath | "__________, you understand? (YES, SIR!)" |
| 21:16.29 | mheath | harleypig, good times, good times :P |
| 21:21.58 | levi | Wow, Google Reader is pretty nice now. |
| 21:22.21 | mrpull_ | levi: i thought their first attempt was a train wreck |
| 21:22.37 | mrpull_ | levi: this revision is pretty good |
| 21:24.09 | mrpull_ | I like the keyboard shortcuts |
| 21:24.27 | Tene | http://visearch.com/ |
| 21:24.44 | levi | Ew. |
| 21:24.47 | Tene | mheath: what does "get them on line" mean? |
| 21:25.07 | levi | Even when I did all my editing in vi, I couldn't stand using vi on the command line. I don't know why I'd want to use it for a search interface. |
| 21:25.25 | mrpull_ | tene: nice! |
| 21:25.25 | mheath | Tene, "Standing on Line" is standing at the foot of your rack (bed). |
| 21:25.48 | mheath | Tene, to "get something online" is to go and grab it from wherever and stand on line, holding the object straight out inffront of you (arm extended) |
| 21:26.00 | mheath | Usually, someone wouldn't be fast enough in getting it, so we'd have to do it over again. |
| 21:27.25 | mheath | So we want to be slow, right? Fine then, Jungle Boots, get 'em on line, right now! |
| 21:27.31 | mheath | Then they have a really fast, weird way of counting down. |
| 21:29.30 | mheath | Rifles, get 'em on line, right now. |
| 21:29.44 | mheath | Then we'd usually get the fun of holding a 10 pound rifle straight out infront of us... |
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| 21:30.49 | southsky | ~lart Keighvin |
| 21:33.38 | Keighvin | Here Harley, this is just for you: http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/09/glasses.jpg |
| 21:34.00 | levi | Huh. Unlike bloglines, Google Reader apparently makes your web browser fetch all the feeds. |
| 21:35.36 | mrpull_ | levi: it retrieves the feed content one by one from the providers feed? |
| 21:39.02 | levi | Apparently. |
| 21:39.47 | mrpull_ | bloglines caching and serving method seems like a mixed blessing |
| 21:40.16 | mrpull_ | nice to offload the burden of hosting popular content, not nice to have some of the stats fouled up |
| 21:40.41 | mrpull_ | i imagine part of google's |
| 21:41.00 | levi | I'm not positive that this is the case; the stuff I saw that made me think that could have been something else. |
| 21:41.04 | mrpull_ | not-evil plans include mining all of the reader stats |
| 21:41.29 | mheath | Heh, if anyones interested, I've got a Nintendo DS for sale for cheap. $50. Don't use it anymore. |
| 21:42.00 | dilvie | ebay |
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| 21:42.13 | dilvie | fungus |
| 21:42.15 | dilvie | what's up? |
| 21:42.37 | mrpull_ | mheath: any games included? |
| 21:42.44 | mheath | mrpull_, Metroid Prime. |
| 21:42.47 | fungus | Apparently my ipv6 tunnel is now. |
| 21:43.08 | mheath | mrpull_, its in great shape except for a scratch on the outside top. |
| 21:43.08 | mrpull_ | is it a lite? |
| 21:43.13 | mheath | no. |
| 21:43.35 | mheath | erm, I should say a couple of scratches on the outside top. |
| 21:43.41 | mrpull_ | too bad... if you had the new SMB or it was a lite, i'd take that deal |
| 21:46.09 | mheath | mrpull_, the differences aren't that big |
| 21:46.12 | mheath | The Lite is just smaller. |
| 21:46.39 | mrpull_ | and white :) |
| 21:46.47 | mheath | Mines silver =P |
| 21:46.55 | Keighvin | It mines silver? |
| 21:46.58 | nick125 | you could spray paint it white |
| 21:51.05 | QBFreak | chainsaw? |
| 21:51.17 | QBFreak | hmm, not original enough |
| 21:51.22 | QBFreak | how about with a moose? |
| 21:51.42 | mheath | But where to find the moose? :( |
| 21:51.46 | mrpull_ | mheath: make sure to play some hideous music that he'll take exception too |
| 21:52.06 | QBFreak | no mouse, what about an anteater? |
| 21:52.23 | QBFreak | or an armadillo, everyone likes armadillos |
| 21:52.26 | mheath | QBFreak, I have some fish. |
| 21:52.46 | QBFreak | perfect, throw fish at him |
| 21:52.53 | QBFreak | except that usually kills the fish :( |
| 21:53.19 | mheath | findlay is not worth a dead fish. |
| 21:54.03 | QBFreak | anyone know if I change run levels (with init) if the stuff I have running in the background will be interrupted or not? |
| 21:54.11 | mrpull_ | mheath: maybe you could play him some phish |
| 21:54.14 | mrpull_ | i'm sure he'd hate that |
| 21:59.02 | mheath | Wow. Weirdest wrong number ever. |
| 21:59.10 | mheath | "Is this the forest service?" |
| 22:00.03 | redbeard1 | mheath: you know, that what works there |
| 22:00.23 | southsky | ~whaleslap Keighvin |
| 22:00.24 | ibot | ACTION beats Keighvin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:00.29 | redbeard1 | yeah, that one |
| 22:01.06 | redbeard1 | it's said that only hugh can prevent forest fires |
| 22:01.20 | redbeard1 | and with that, i'm outta here for the day. |
| 22:01.46 | QBFreak | actually I heard only hugh can prevent florist friars |
| 22:01.53 | Keighvin | southsky: not a beat lost, I love it. |
| 22:02.01 | redbeard1 | QBFreak: he's multitalented. |
| 22:02.59 | redbeard1 | he's going around preventing forest fires and florist friars. i call that multi-talented. |
| 22:03.31 | redbeard1 | anyway, i really am outta here. ciao! |
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| 22:03.35 | QBFreak | later |
| 22:04.46 | mheath | I like the idea of a wireless terminal for a linux box that has a 10 hour battery life |
| 22:05.15 | mrpull_ | my parents phone number is right below the local police number in the phone book |
| 22:05.22 | mrpull_ | that makes for some fun wrong numbers |
| 22:07.47 | beandog | ok |
| 22:07.50 | beandog | how in the world am I gonna do this. |
| 22:08.01 | beandog | I have a ton of SQL statements in one file |
| 22:08.01 | harleypig | First, get some saran wrap |
| 22:08.05 | harleypig | then get some crisco |
| 22:08.15 | beandog | but if one of them breaks, I want to see which one it was. |
| 22:08.15 | harleypig | wet down some towels |
| 22:10.58 | harleypig | waiting to see what I'll say next? |
| 22:11.08 | Tene | beandog: depends on how you're using them and what you're doing with them. |
| 22:11.18 | harleypig | what language are you using them with? |
| 22:11.21 | beandog | Tene: just executing them |
| 22:11.31 | beandog | harleypig: Just \i ~/tmp/foo.sql in psql |
| 22:11.53 | Tene | tha doesn't show you which statement breaks? |
| 22:12.00 | beandog | nope, just throws an error. |
| 22:12.03 | harleypig | beandog: It'll tell you what line it errored out on |
| 22:12.18 | beandog | gah, thats right. |
| 22:13.28 | beandog | dangit, its not. |
| 22:13.33 | beandog | I *did* have it doing that once, I remember.. |
| 22:13.43 | beandog | I dont remember how. |
| 22:18.02 | Keighvin | ~lart redbeard1 in absentia |
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| 22:25.57 | harleypig | ~lart Keighvin in readbeard1's name |
| 22:30.33 | Keighvin | -lart harleypig |
| 22:30.43 | Keighvin | -lart harleypig's son |
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| 23:20.36 | mheath | Yah, Findlay just took the printer and now I have _MONEY_ |
| 23:20.36 | macnewbold | just don't spend it all on those 13 year olds... |
| 23:20.36 | mheath | Again, I'd like to remind you that is Sargun, not me. |
| 23:20.36 | mheath | Wow, theres a Ubuntu mirror at UoU :) |
| 23:20.36 | mheath | Blinding fast updates if I end up living on campus up there |
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| 23:20.37 | mheath | Hi, bye, vex.. |
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| 23:20.38 | macnewbold | how appropriate: vex is on a host named stutter.prohosting.com |
| 23:20.38 | macnewbold | not a good name for a hosting company... |
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| 23:21.46 | graphyx | tene: you get your mysql problem answered? |
| 23:21.54 | fozzmoo | Tene's gone! |
| 23:22.02 | fozzmoo | He left... and he took his woman-friend with him! |
| 23:22.08 | mheath | O.o |
| 23:22.15 | mheath | OK, what to go and get for dinner? |
| 23:22.35 | mheath | Pizza? |
| 23:22.41 | graphyx | no. |
| 23:22.48 | linuxalien | Get the boneless pork ribs from Sam's Club. Very tasty! |
| 23:22.48 | graphyx | Chinese with noodles. |
| 23:22.52 | fozzmoo | Now I'm gonna leave and the rest of you can make decisions for mheath |
| 23:22.55 | sontek | Go get some Pho |
| 23:23.08 | mheath | =P |
| 23:23.19 | mheath | linuxalien, I lack a membership for there :P |
| 23:23.41 | mheath | Theres a greek orthodox church that does an annual greek food festival....going on today and tomorrow |
| 23:23.48 | mheath | I'm going to drop by for lunch after the LUG meeting tomorrow |
| 23:24.35 | macnewbold | oh, tasty |
| 23:25.05 | mheath | Its designed for dine in, but they also have a big pasty/dessert table of stuff you can have them box up to take home. |
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| 23:33.29 | mheath | actually, it's open until 10PM, apparently. |
| 23:33.31 | mheath | BBIAB :) |
| 23:37.25 | linuxalien | laters |
| 23:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | #define COMMA "|" |
| 23:44.48 | levi | ... |
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| 23:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I figured that at least you would enjoy that one, levi |
| 23:45.54 | ScytheBlade1 | private final static String twentyspaces = " "; |
| 23:47.11 | levi | Please, make it stop! |
| 23:47.24 | levi | Anyone here recall how to do base conversions on an HP 48? |
| 23:47.45 | macnewbold | calculator? or computer? |
| 23:47.53 | macnewbold | ~rpn |
| 23:48.04 | ibot | well, rpn is Reverse Polish (or Lucaszewicz) notation, also known as postfix. The arithmetic operators are placed after the numbers, thus removing the need for parentheses. For example, (3+(4*2)/7 becomes 3 4 2 * + 7 / or used in HP calculators, which is a large part of why they're a million times better than TI's. or at http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.html |
| 23:48.04 | levi | Calculator |
| 23:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | int doctrackId = Convert.ToInt32("0"); //wtf!! |
| 23:48.38 | macnewbold | ScytheBlade1: did you write those? |
| 23:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, goodness no |
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| 23:48.49 | macnewbold | what language is it from? |
| 23:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thedailywtf.com/ |
| 23:49.14 | billfur | anyone know any digital lawyers? |
| 23:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.42 | macnewbold | billfur: like AI programs about law, or people lawyers who deal with law relating to digital stuff? |
| 23:49.54 | billfur | like people who deal with law relating to digital stuff |
| 23:50.24 | macnewbold | there's a really good one who is a professor up at the U, Lee Hollaar (sp?) |
| 23:50.33 | macnewbold | and there are quite a few firms that deal with it I imagine |
| 23:50.37 | billfur | someone not affiliated with the U. |
| 23:50.47 | macnewbold | intellectual property lawyers do a lot of it these days |
| 23:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | foreach (CxNode node in nodeList) { object[] ndArgs = buildArgs(node); try { sb.AppendFormat(node.Output, ndArgs); } catch(Exception) { sb.AppendFormat(node.Output, ndArgs); }} |
| 23:51.10 | billfur | macnewbold, I was thinking more along the lines of digital crimes |
| 23:51.12 | macnewbold | the firm we use is Holland and Hart, and I think there are others downtown that do almost exclusively IP |
| 23:51.17 | macnewbold | ah, hm |
| 23:51.27 | macnewbold | so you're looking for a prosecutor, or a defense attorney? |
| 23:51.34 | macnewbold | (I know, it's not for you, |
| 23:51.36 | macnewbold | it's for a friend) |
| 23:51.50 | levi | Ahh, I found the base conversion functions. |
| 23:52.09 | macnewbold | guessing by your IP/RDNS, I'm guessing it's some problem related to the UofU |
| 23:52.24 | macnewbold | they're probably falsely accusing you, and you need to prove your innocence |
| 23:52.25 | billfur | prosecutor |
| 23:52.32 | macnewbold | cause sometimes you're guilty until proven innocent :) |
| 23:52.59 | macnewbold | generally it would be the District Attorney (an elected official) who would prosecute any crime, I think |
| 23:53.05 | macnewbold | but if it is a civil suit you want, |
| 23:53.24 | macnewbold | I bet there are some who would be plaintiff's counsel, but I don't know of any myself |
| 23:53.47 | macnewbold | if you want to talk privately, I'd love to hear the story behind all this... |
| 23:54.15 | billfur | sorry, can't give details unless its over the # |
| 23:54.18 | billfur | phone |
| 23:56.44 | macnewbold | crazy crazy |
| 23:56.50 | macnewbold | well, good luck to you |
| 23:56.53 | macnewbold | this kind of thing isn't fun |
| 23:57.05 | macnewbold | and if the UofU is the defendant, then it will probably be long and drawn out |
| 23:57.18 | macnewbold | and they've got pretty deep pockets |
