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| 00:11.23 | Sargun | Why don't people like wires |
| 00:12.18 | mheath | That's why. |
| 00:12.22 | Sargun | lol |
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| 01:47.39 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 01:48.16 | mheath | Evening, levi |
| 01:49.59 | Sargun | fall? |
| 01:54.02 | levi_home | I haven't bothered trying XGL with my Ubuntu install, though it will be nice when it's more readily available. |
| 01:54.12 | levi_home | maquis-fiance: What remixes? |
| 01:54.36 | Sargun | you dance? |
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| 02:01.22 | mheath | levi_home, right now its entirely unavilable via apt :( |
| 02:04.26 | levi_home | That's fine with me; I'll want it available as soon as it's totally stable. |
| 02:04.27 | Sargun | jfoiewjf |
| 02:04.29 | Sargun | ACK! |
| 02:04.39 | Sargun | mheath, do you live with your parents? |
| 02:04.57 | mheath | Sargun: For a while, yes. |
| 02:05.46 | Sargun | Must be better than living in barracks, right? |
| 02:06.07 | mheath | ..... |
| 02:06.24 | mheath | That was the stupidest question I've ever heard, I think. Quite possibly. |
| 02:06.53 | Sargun | I'm trying to make conversation |
| 02:08.00 | maquis-fiance | Yes I dance. I don't look great, but I have fun. Remixed versions of great video game music streamed from: http://oc.ormgas.com/ocmain.php |
| 02:10.03 | mheath | Sargun: Try harder. |
| 02:10.11 | Sargun | heh |
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| 02:22.22 | mheath | God, I sound like a Drill Instructor. |
| 02:24.00 | Sargun | heh |
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| 02:26.10 | elg | oh, this is rich |
| 02:26.11 | elg | http://www.amazon.com/Escali-Primo-Digital-Scale-Hunter/dp/B0007GAWXM |
| 02:26.33 | elg | "$24.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. You Save: $3.96" |
| 02:34.31 | mheath | elg: heh. |
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| 02:37.36 | mheath | Why does the Eclipse package on ubuntu depend on mozilla-browser? |
| 02:42.39 | levi_home | mheath: Does mozilla-browser provide the embedded browser component? |
| 02:43.20 | mheath | levi_home, AFAIK, it has its own built in. The binary builds of Eclipse from eclipse.org don't have any browser dependency. |
| 02:43.35 | mheath | Even if it is built against a browser, its silly that it's built agianst mozilla and not firefox. |
| 02:46.52 | levi_home | I don't see any dependencies on mozilla-browser in the Debian packages. |
| 02:47.05 | levi_home | Which particular eclipse package has the browser dependancy? |
| 02:47.27 | findlay_ | haha my distro is better than your distro |
| 02:47.37 | findlay_ | what? findlay_? |
| 02:49.45 | mheath | levi_home, I don't know. It shows up when you try to emerge 'eclipse' on Ubuntu. |
| 02:49.48 | findlay | I don't know if I should be amazed or disgusted that our entire apartment complex is running off a WRT54 |
| 02:50.01 | mheath | levi_home, I think 'eclipse' might just be a meta package, though. |
| 02:50.20 | levi_home | mheath: Try 'apt-cache depends eclipse' |
| 02:51.24 | levi_home | findlay: Some guys at work found that they got better throughput out of a relatively cheap Netgear consumer switch than they did with a big, expensive managed switch. |
| 02:52.15 | levi_home | findlay: Having all your bridging done in a custom ASIC can yield pretty high efficiency. |
| 02:53.04 | findlay | levi_home: that's why I'm kind of surprised, since it's doing a pretty decent job |
| 02:53.19 | findlay | but it does some funny things now and again |
| 02:53.33 | levi_home | Woo, my legal moves generator should now be complete, since it doesn't allow moves that leave the king in check. |
| 02:54.00 | findlay | and every time they reboot it (which happens a lot) my irc session goes down |
| 02:54.06 | findlay | so much for 5 9's |
| 02:54.16 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 02:54.26 | mheath | OK, I think I'm definately going to move into WSU campus housing |
| 02:54.27 | levi_home | Well, it is a consumer-grade device. |
| 02:54.36 | mheath | If they'll let me move in at the start of a spring semester |
| 02:55.32 | levi_home | Now, with a rudimentary game evaluator, I should be able to play chess. |
| 02:55.52 | findlay | levi_home: can you play it against GNUchess or something? |
| 02:56.09 | levi_home | findlay: I could, with a little bit of interface hacking. |
| 02:56.34 | levi_home | Except mine is explicitly supposed to not support castling and en passant, so that could cause trouble. |
| 02:57.49 | levi_home | I'm also required to validate the opponent's move and flag it as invalid if it tries something I don't support. |
| 02:58.38 | findlay | levi_home: why don't you support the complete rule set? |
| 02:59.16 | levi_home | Beats me. I didn't make up the assignment. |
| 02:59.16 | findlay | (: |
| 03:01.12 | levi_home | Man, I hate coding styles that put braces on their own lines. |
| 03:01.39 | findlay | even the closing brace? (: |
| 03:02.05 | levi_home | This C# file takes 11 lines to define stupid get/set parameters, or whatever they're called. |
| 03:02.48 | levi_home | The information could be clearly expressed in 3 lines, and would all fit on one. |
| 03:03.24 | findlay | do you like one line functions? type* get_type() {return type_ptr;} |
| 03:04.04 | levi_home | I do, too. |
| 03:04.16 | levi_home | This code is unreasonably expanded. |
| 03:04.25 | levi_home | get |
| 03:04.27 | levi_home | { |
| 03:04.35 | levi_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.38 | levi_home | } |
| 03:04.47 | levi_home | I mean, c'mon. |
| 03:04.51 | findlay | ugh |
| 03:05.05 | findlay | and full tab indentation |
| 03:06.05 | levi_home | In C, I always put the opening brace on the same line as the beginning of the definition. |
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| 03:06.51 | levi_home | I usually put the closing brace on its own line, though, unless it's a tiny function like one of those. But in this case, I question the need for braces at all. |
| 03:07.10 | levi_home | I don't know the C# grammar; they may or may not be necessary. |
| 03:07.18 | findlay | they are mandantory for function definitions |
| 03:07.26 | findlay | in c/c++ anyway |
| 03:07.31 | findlay | and perl |
| 03:07.37 | findlay | and I suspect java as well |
| 03:08.34 | levi_home | These aren't even real functions, though. I don't see why it can't just default the getter and setter to this sort of code, and allow you to write your own if you want something more elaborate. |
| 03:08.49 | findlay | levi_home: indeed |
| 03:09.07 | findlay | I mean if c# is supposed to be so high level as it's advertized |
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| 03:10.43 | levi_home | C syntax is just annoying. Now that I'm more comfortable with it, I generally prefer ML syntax. |
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| 03:20.58 | maquis-fiance | -lart ibot |
| 03:22.30 | findlay | ~ibot lart |
| 03:23.31 | findlay | tral tobi~ |
| 03:23.35 | findlay | ~tral tobi |
| 03:23.41 | findlay | whatever |
| 03:27.40 | mheath | ~lart 'ibot' |
| 03:28.09 | mheath | ~lart \'ibot\' |
| 03:28.13 | mheath | blah |
| 03:41.25 | findlay | ~blah |
| 03:41.31 | ibot | blah is, like, Y |
| 03:41.41 | findlay | ~ayb |
| 03:46.15 | findlay | ibot: do you know anything |
| 03:46.16 | ibot | yes, I know anything. |
| 03:46.19 | findlay | don't answer that |
| 03:46.36 | findlay | ibot: gah, I told you you didn't have to answer! |
| 03:49.06 | maquis-fiance | ibot: what is the sound of one hand clapping? |
| 03:49.09 | ibot | maquis-fiance: what are you talking about? |
| 03:49.59 | maquis | maquis-fiance: how's it going? |
| 03:56.32 | mheath | Yah. I got my first bit of coding on J-Chat done |
| 04:03.43 | mheath | J-Chat 0.0.1 Logging Started |
| 04:03.44 | mheath | ModuleLoader: ModuleLoader Started |
| 04:03.44 | mheath | ModuleLoader: -i SessionManager was used, attempting to start SessionManager |
| 04:03.44 | mheath | SessionManger: SessionManager started |
| 04:03.44 | mheath | SessionManager: WARNING: Unable to load configuration file "/Fix/Me/With/Something/Better" |
| 04:03.44 | mheath | SessionManager: Starting ConnectionManager |
| 04:03.46 | mheath | SessionManager: ERROR: ModuleLoader.loadPlugin("ConnectionManager") failed |
| 04:03.49 | mheath | J-Chat 0.0.1 exiting with error |
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| 04:11.13 | mheath | SessionManager is still very incomplete, and ConnectionManager doesn't even exist yet. |
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| 04:26.00 | mheath | Time to sleep. |
| 04:31.09 | Sargun | night man |
| 04:37.56 | findlay | I'm a day man myself |
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| 04:50.32 | Sargun | day = sucks |
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| 13:51.02 | findlay | ouchness |
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| 14:27.06 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:39.08 | redbeard1 | good morning! |
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| 14:44.16 | graphyx | wakey wakey!!! |
| 14:44.25 | Sargun | GAK! |
| 14:44.39 | Sargun | graphyx, Let me go back to bed! |
| 14:45.17 | redbeard1 | wakey wakey |
| 14:45.20 | redbeard1 | eggs and bakey |
| 14:45.40 | redbeard1 | that looks weird when you type it |
| 14:46.11 | Sargun | uh |
| 14:46.14 | Sargun | not realy.. |
| 14:46.29 | Sargun | I've never heard someone say "eggs and bakey" |
| 14:46.31 | redbeard1 | it makes me think it says bakery, |
| 14:46.45 | Sargun | weird. |
| 14:46.46 | redbeard1 | no? michael madsen's character says it in kill bill 2 |
| 14:47.41 | redbeard1 | can't think of his name tho |
| 14:47.50 | redbeard1 | bud. his name was bud. |
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| 15:09.59 | scothoser | Morning all! |
| 15:10.31 | levi | Morning. |
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| 15:15.48 | levi | Morning, elg. |
| 15:21.55 | elg | morning |
| 15:22.44 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:34.14 | graphyx | brac, wouldn't it be better to register his email address rather than his name? |
| 15:34.15 | brac | don't ask me |
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| 15:37.02 | graphyx | Ok Let me get this straightm Keighvin is maquis fiancee? |
| 15:37.18 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i sure hope not |
| 15:37.25 | redbeard1 | i think maquis has better taste than that |
| 15:37.27 | graphyx | ok. |
| 15:37.36 | redbeard1 | *zing* |
| 15:37.38 | Keighvin | graphyx: Huh? |
| 15:37.42 | graphyx | is Maquis's fiancee someone who comes in here then? |
| 15:37.52 | redbeard1 | i'm not sure |
| 15:38.00 | graphyx | ahh.. |
| 15:38.01 | graphyx | That's right. |
| 15:38.02 | graphyx | nvm. |
| 15:38.19 | redbeard1 | no worries |
| 15:38.24 | redbeard1 | i'm not offended |
| 15:38.32 | redbeard1 | not that i'm the one in question, of course |
| 15:38.36 | graphyx | he could be from southern utah.. |
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| 15:38.41 | elg | graphyx: afaik he has only come as maquis-fiance |
| 15:38.48 | graphyx | Oh ok. |
| 15:38.48 | elg | ~fit Keighvin |
| 15:38.58 | graphyx | I haven't seen him then. |
| 15:39.43 | elg | but he could have been hanging out here for ages disguised as someone like diesel, drip, tyce, vex, unum, or any of our lurkers |
| 15:39.47 | elg | maybe even ibot |
| 15:40.00 | elg | but not tensai |
| 15:40.08 | elg | nobody can feign idahoan |
| 15:40.10 | redbeard1 | definitely not tensai |
| 15:40.17 | redbeard1 | tensai's wife wouldn't appreciate that |
| 15:40.25 | tensai | what? what? |
| 15:40.55 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 15:41.10 | graphyx | Compared to #security we have very few lurkers. |
| 15:41.15 | redbeard1 | oh hey tensai, we were just talking about you |
| 15:41.18 | graphyx | sometimes it makes you wonder if they really want to be here... |
| 15:41.37 | graphyx | Or if they were some irssi sessions connected on a screen forgotten on an old linux system. |
| 15:41.42 | elg | half our lurkers probably set up screen and then forgot all about us |
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| 15:41.57 | graphyx | tensai: stop, you are making me hungry... |
| 15:42.25 | redbeard1 | graphyx: spit that thing out. you don't know where it's been. |
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| 15:42.47 | graphyx | tensai: I don't think smoking anything is good for you. I don't care how nice you can roll it in paper.. |
| 15:43.17 | elg | jsmith-lunch: cut it out, it's not even breakfast time yet |
| 15:43.41 | redbeard1 | wow. i don't think you'd want mustard in a cigarette anyway. if there was any quicker way to gas yourself, that would be it. |
| 15:43.55 | jsmith-lunch | elg: What are you talking about... It's time for a big ol' sushi lunch |
| 15:44.08 | elg | i've just now started to get serious about thinking about getting serious |
| 15:44.21 | elg | and you're taking off for lunch. talk about demotivating |
| 15:44.37 | elg | hehe |
| 15:44.38 | mheath | Taking off for lunch? Its 9:44? |
| 15:44.45 | elg | he's in VA now |
| 15:44.47 | herlo | mheath: or 11:44 EST |
| 15:44.51 | elg | they take lunch early |
| 15:44.55 | herlo | s/EST/EDT |
| 15:45.27 | mheath | You have not experienced sleeping in until you experience it in contrast to getting yelled awake at 4 AM every day for a month |
| 15:45.35 | mheath | No, wait, we got to sleep in until 5AM on sundays. |
| 15:45.55 | elg | my brother in law routinely sleeps till 1pm |
| 15:46.03 | elg | back to bed |
| 15:46.10 | elg | on the double |
| 15:46.29 | graphyx | mheath: Don't think that you are the only one to have ever done that. I had to get a morning paper route done before early morning seminary in cali. Classes STARTED at 5:55. |
| 15:46.35 | scott | any programs that are really nice that make it easy to manage ~30 computers..like for changing configuration settings on them or installing new software? |
| 15:46.37 | graphyx | I had that paper route for like 6 years. |
| 15:46.48 | scott | adding printers.. |
| 15:47.02 | mheath | graphyx, That was a direct choice. You could quit at any time. You WANTED to get up and do that. |
| 15:47.04 | redbeard1 | i used to do tech support from 5am to 2pm |
| 15:47.15 | elg | mheath: it was your choice too |
| 15:47.17 | graphyx | mheath: and that is different than you choice how? |
| 15:47.17 | redbeard1 | then i switched to 10pm to 7am. so much nicer. |
| 15:47.32 | mheath | elg, During the time I was getting sent home, no it wasn't. |
| 15:47.36 | graphyx | redbeard1: I think night shift tech support rocks. |
| 15:47.39 | Keighvin | scott: What OS? |
| 15:47.46 | scott | Keighvin: XP |
| 15:47.47 | mheath | elg, I hadn't signed up for _that_; I just wanted to get the heck out of there |
| 15:47.53 | elg | mheath: and you think he always wanted to get up to do his paper route, for a whole 6 years? |
| 15:47.54 | Keighvin | scott: Go fish. |
| 15:48.37 | elg | scott: some kind of ghost-y thing perhaps? |
| 15:49.08 | mheath | Wow. I've been working too much on college-related stuff on the net, and programming, during the last couple of days. I don't think I've showered in about 3 days.... |
| 15:49.37 | elg | ah, that explains it |
| 15:49.58 | mheath | elg, no, thats just my room |
| 15:50.21 | mheath | My room started to stink, and I can't figure out WHY, because the smell started after I did a really through CLEANING of the room. |
| 15:51.55 | elg | graphyx: you've reminded me of, um, _fond_ memories of riding 20 miles on a motorcycle at 6am at freeway speeds in the middle of the winter |
| 15:52.25 | elg | when I could get the bike started, anyway |
| 15:52.37 | elg | it didn't have a kick starter and some days the battery was just too sluggish |
| 15:53.38 | tensai | reminds me of my car whose blower stopped working. the defroster only worked at 50mph. |
| 15:53.56 | tensai | in town I had to stop every 5 minutes and scrape the windows. that was awesome. |
| 15:54.08 | elg | tensai: yeah, or vw bug was like that |
| 15:54.21 | herlo | maquis is getting marred? I mean married? |
| 15:54.32 | elg | we had a chamois sponge in the car which the passenger was continually using to keep the window clear |
| 15:55.04 | elg | because bug windsheilds are so close you can't help but breathe on them |
| 15:55.05 | scott | elg, is ghost for backups? is there a way to easily install new software on all the computers without using standard images? |
| 15:55.06 | herlo | is that why she moved to Washington? |
| 15:55.33 | elg | scott: on computers, yes. on windows? probably, after shelling out big bucks. |
| 15:55.37 | redbeard1 | herlo: actually, her fiance still goes to byu |
| 15:55.42 | tensai | herlo: she's from washington and got a job @ amazon. |
| 15:55.48 | herlo | redbeard1: interesting... |
| 15:56.06 | elg | and like a true amazon her fiance is following her after he graduates. ;-) |
| 15:56.07 | herlo | tensai: I thought that's what she said, but I wasn't sure. |
| 15:56.10 | redbeard1 | i think she said he still has a year left or something |
| 15:56.27 | herlo | redbeard1: so she'll possibly be back then... |
| 15:56.46 | elg | could be. she hasn't divulged their plans. at least not while I was here |
| 15:57.46 | redbeard1 | who knew maquis would grow up to be an amazon woman? |
| 15:58.13 | herlo | elg: me neither |
| 15:58.18 | Keighvin | At least she's not Overstocked. |
| 15:58.27 | herlo | redbeard1: it's her children that will be amazons |
| 15:58.39 | herlo | she will only be part amazon |
| 15:58.49 | elg | she's the one working at amazon |
| 16:00.43 | Keighvin | ~Overstock |
| 16:00.44 | ibot | rumour has it, overstock is the EVIL COMPANY |
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| 16:03.10 | redbeard1 | ~kick Keighvin |
| 16:03.11 | ibot | bugger off, redbeard1! |
| 16:03.31 | redbeard1 | ibot: you're standing up for him? you hang out with the wrong crowd, man. |
| 16:03.47 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, yeah, and Jordan was just blogging about how he just started working there... |
| 16:03.49 | Keighvin | whaleslap redbeard1 |
| 16:03.55 | Jayce^ | didn't anybody warn him? |
| 16:03.56 | redbeard1 | ~whaleslap Keighvin |
| 16:03.57 | ibot | ACTION beats Keighvin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:04.03 | elg | i didn't know overstock was evil |
| 16:04.10 | Keighvin | How did it not catch my ~? |
| 16:04.11 | Jayce^ | didn't he work in the forest service? |
| 16:04.25 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, the ~ was silent |
| 16:04.27 | Keighvin | I mean the input. |
| 16:04.32 | Keighvin | Jayce^: Nice. |
| 16:04.38 | Keighvin | Justin's stuck there? What dept? |
| 16:04.48 | Keighvin | I meant, Jordan. |
| 16:04.52 | Keighvin | Sorry. |
| 16:05.20 | Jayce^ | http://jordy.gundy.org/working-at-overstock/ |
| 16:05.48 | Jayce^ | oh Keighvin you gotta read some of the comments :) |
| 16:06.26 | Keighvin | On my way. |
| 16:07.15 | Keighvin | Ah, still firmly in the honeymoon stage. |
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| 16:07.54 | Keighvin | Technically I'm still under some of the exit clauses of my employment contract. |
| 16:08.05 | Keighvin | In keeping therewith, Jordan: I Do Not Encourage You To Leave Overstock. |
| 16:08.07 | Keighvin | (tm) |
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| 16:10.22 | Keighvin | ~nuke redbeard1 |
| 16:10.23 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at redbeard1 ... B☢☢M! |
| 16:11.02 | redbeard1 | Jorda1: i do. that ceo's crazy. |
| 16:26.03 | Keighvin | ~nuke THE EVIL COMPANY |
| 16:26.10 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at THE EVIL COMPANY ... B☢☢M! |
| 16:27.01 | herlo | Keighvin: what's so wrong with Overstock? |
| 16:27.24 | herlo | I mean, I don't by stuff there, but I've never heard anything bad about it... |
| 16:27.50 | Keighvin | herlo: There are many long stories about the incompetent mismanagement there. |
| 16:27.56 | Keighvin | Especially anything to do with their IT. |
| 16:28.16 | Keighvin | The antics of the executive staff, questionable recreational habits, etc. |
| 16:28.31 | Keighvin | And it really comes back to bite anyone who dares try to care about the quality of their work. |
| 16:28.46 | scothoser | I've heard about that as well.. It was part of the reason eBay never really considered them a threat. The business model was self-limiting. |
| 16:29.05 | Keighvin | And that's just the business model. |
| 16:29.12 | Keighvin | It's viable, but only up to a point. |
| 16:29.36 | Keighvin | However, when you attach the gravity accelerators that they have, you'd be amazed at just how fast it can be driven into the ground. |
| 16:29.58 | scothoser | Right... Then you get an executive staff that makes poor decisions on top of that, and you have a business doomed to failure. |
| 16:31.47 | mheath | "a" Director of Software Development? Theres more than one? |
| 16:32.36 | Keighvin | They had 2 |
| 16:32.42 | Keighvin | One over the Auctions development group. |
| 16:33.02 | Keighvin | And one over the other 90% of the IT |
| 16:33.11 | Keighvin | Or, IT as far as development was concerned |
| 16:33.29 | Keighvin | (didn't own the DBAs, or NOC staff, or biz-analysts) |
| 16:33.59 | Keighvin | ~rob mheath |
| 16:34.04 | ibot | ACTION strips mheath of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy |
| 16:34.04 | mheath | The place I left for the USMC might have had a partial paycheck for me... |
| 16:34.30 | Keighvin | Woohoo! |
| 16:34.57 | mheath | Keighvin, want the rest of my net worth? |
| 16:35.11 | Keighvin | No, I don't like the little '-' sign in front of it. |
| 16:35.40 | mheath | 44 degrees today?! |
| 16:35.57 | mheath | High of 73 |
| 16:36.21 | mheath | When did we get to winter? |
| 16:37.49 | tensai | well sweet merciful crap. how many smokers must I light on fire?!? |
| 16:38.28 | Keighvin | 12. |
| 16:38.33 | tensai | I think I've just about spent more money on fire extinguishers than I have on meat |
| 16:38.47 | tensai | Keighvin: only 10 more to go! |
| 16:39.31 | tensai | I think I'm done w/ electric smokers. I'll go gas or charcoal. at least then the fire is expected |
| 16:39.34 | mheath | My Associate of Applied Science (pre req. for BS in CS) is going to be boring. |
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| 16:41.08 | mheath | Foundations of Computer Science, Fundamentals of Programming, Object-Oriented Programming, Introduction to Data Structures & Algorithms, Database Design & Application Development, Computer Architecture/Organization, Network Fundamentals & Design, Operating Systems, Multimedia and the Internet, Pre-Calcus, Discrete Math, PC Fundamentals. |
| 16:41.28 | Keighvin | Challenge the course and test out. |
| 16:41.31 | mheath | Though, I shouldn't have to take the Fundamentals of Programming or Object-Oriented Programming classes |
| 16:41.58 | mheath | Keighvin, thats what I'm thinking....all of those courses (Except for the math) seem like subject matter I'm rather familiar with. |
| 16:42.50 | mheath | The BS in CS sounds much funner |
| 16:44.15 | mheath | Windows/UNIX Infrastructure and Administration, UNIX System Programming & Internals, Database Administration, Advanced Networking, Network Intrusion Detection and Security Vulnerabilities, Writing Secure Code, Computer Architecture for Security Assurance, Applied Cryptography, Computer & Networking Security, Cisco TCP/IP Routing Protocols and Router Configuration |
| 16:45.02 | mheath | They have "Introduction to Logic", but its "PHIL 2200". Sounds like the philosophy concept of logic, not the electronic concept. Odd. |
| 16:46.00 | graphyx | there is a lot that ties in there. |
| 16:47.29 | mheath | Poor planning on my part. I took several classes in highschool that generated 'concurrent enrollment' (give you credit at the highschool, too), but I never thought I'd be attending college so early and at Weber State, so I never bothered to fill out the paperwork. |
| 16:48.28 | mheath | I'd have some English credit, some Philosophy credit, more Computer Science credit, some Engineering credit. |
| 16:48.39 | mheath | I do have some CS credit from taking the AP test. |
| 16:51.32 | scothoser | mheath: I'm not sure if you are interested, but the U will be offering certifications with their BS starting this next fall.... That's MCSE, CCNA, and Apple certiications. We may even get Linux certifications on board, if our testing center can get the LInux+ testing materials from CompTIA... |
| 16:51.56 | scothoser | *certifications |
| 16:52.06 | mheath | scothoser, long way off for me :P |
| 16:52.12 | mheath | I think I'll get my AAS out of the way at Weber |
| 16:52.19 | mheath | Then possibly consider transfering to somewhere else. |
| 16:53.12 | scothoser | Too bad, you could have been in one of my classes.. ^_^ I'm going to be teaching the Apple certifications. |
| 16:53.33 | scothoser | Jayce, you can snicker if you want to.. ^_^ |
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| 16:54.05 | mheath | scothoser, already applied at Weber State. |
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| 16:54.36 | mheath | scothoser, if you're going to be there in 2 years, though.... =) |
| 16:54.48 | redbeard1 | scothoser: Jayce^ has a mac now, you know |
| 16:55.02 | mheath | Bah, speaking of the U, I'm _STILL_ waiting on some materials from the doctors up there! |
| 16:55.37 | scothoser | mheath: I will definitely be here in 2 years.. I don't plan to leave the U anytime in the near future. Maybe after 15 years or so.... ^_^ |
| 16:56.32 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 16:56.39 | mheath | How much is tuition at the UoU? |
| 16:57.33 | mheath | Wow. My Ubuntu system failed miserably at coming out of standby. |
| 16:57.33 | scothoser | http://www.acs.utah.edu/tuition/ That has the tuition details, with lab fees. |
| 16:57.45 | elg | mheath: the electronic logic is a descendent of philosophy logic |
| 16:58.06 | levi | Logic is logic. |
| 16:58.07 | mheath | elg, yes, but somewhat indirectly. It seems more practical to just give a class on electronic logic. |
| 16:58.27 | elg | no, quite directly |
| 16:58.34 | levi | Philisophical logic and electronic logic follow exactly the same rules. |
| 16:59.54 | mheath | $2,149 in tuition |
| 16:59.56 | mheath | hmmm |
| 16:59.56 | levi | Both end up being written in boolean algebra notation, as well. |
| 17:00.04 | mheath | WSU is 1396.5 =P |
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| 17:00.25 | bigdog_ut | wsu has a crappy cs dept though |
| 17:00.27 | harleypig | It's a restaurant: http://www.big-peckers.com/ |
| 17:00.46 | elg | and ivy league tuition is on the order of 10-20 Gs |
| 17:00.48 | vatic42 | is anyone interested in buying a Macbook Pro? I'm selling mine |
| 17:00.52 | mheath | bigdog_ut, I'm talking about getting my associates there, for cheap, then transfering to somewhere else. |
| 17:00.54 | scothoser | Harley! Long time no hear! ^_^ |
| 17:01.07 | harleypig | Hey man! Hows it going/ |
| 17:01.13 | mheath | bigdog_ut, And yes, they have a horrible CS department. I've seen the head of their CS department refer to Solaris 9 as "Unix 9". |
| 17:01.17 | harleypig | s/\//?/ |
| 17:01.20 | bigdog_ut | mheath, be careful on the credits...uofu does not take much from wsu |
| 17:01.36 | graphyx | in perl,Is there a way to prepare a string to be used in a |
| 17:01.40 | graphyx | matching call? |
| 17:01.41 | mheath | bigdog_ut, They'll accept a _degree_ though, won't they? |
| 17:01.43 | scothoser | Doing well Harley, and you? Hows the family? |
| 17:01.58 | graphyx | For example I am trying to search for an assigned string in a $a =~/$string/; |
| 17:02.02 | mheath | bigdog_ut, I was always under the impression that complete degrees transfered more easily than individual credits. |
| 17:02.05 | scothoser | brb |
| 17:02.24 | bigdog_ut | mheath, really depends on the major and classes that you have taken |
| 17:02.24 | graphyx | However someone used a ( and ) in the $string |
| 17:02.24 | graphyx | And it doesn't find it since the ( ) are syntax in the match. |
| 17:02.38 | graphyx | Is there a function to escape all the items in the string that are syntax on the match? |
| 17:02.42 | levi | vatic42: For how much? And how come? |
| 17:02.56 | bigdog_ut | i know when i looked at it i would have to take almost all over again for uofu when i wanted to go after my assc |
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| 17:03.14 | vatic42 | I'm selling because I want to switch to something smaller and lighter |
| 17:03.24 | levi | What size is it? |
| 17:03.27 | vatic42 | it's in excellent condition, no scratches or anything |
| 17:03.29 | vatic42 | 15" |
| 17:03.34 | vatic42 | well, 15.4" |
| 17:03.46 | bigdog_ut | mheath, the stuff that really transfers is state classes...like math, history, english |
| 17:03.50 | levi | Smaller and lighter than that, eh? I guess you won't be considering harleypig's laptop. |
| 17:04.05 | vatic42 | heh what does he have? |
| 17:04.13 | levi | Some sort of desktop replacement monster. |
| 17:04.19 | vatic42 | ugh. |
| 17:04.23 | mheath | bigdog_ut, I'm nervous about doing UoU. Its A LOT more expensive than WSU.... |
| 17:04.28 | bigdog_ut | mheath, i know with cs it was going to be difficult...cause i wanted to get an ee degree and they wanted me to take additional classes that i took for my bs in cs |
| 17:04.35 | vatic42 | no I'm in school and I carry it around all day and I'm just sick of the weight |
| 17:04.43 | bigdog_ut | mheath, yes it is...better degree though |
| 17:04.47 | vatic42 | it's a 1.86 ghz |
| 17:04.52 | levi | vatic42: What laptop are you looking at? |
| 17:05.00 | bigdog_ut | but in cs if you have experience you are good too |
| 17:05.14 | vatic42 | I was thinking about a really light dell |
| 17:05.26 | bigdog_ut | mheath, but i was just really disappointed in wsu's cs program...i didnt get much out of it |
| 17:05.34 | mheath | Question. I've already been accepted at WSU.....if I apply for UoU and get accepted, whats the procedure? Do I inform WSU? Or do I just not register? |
| 17:05.36 | vatic42 | the d620 looks nice...not sure if it's light enough though. the xps is only 2 lbs |
| 17:05.39 | vatic42 | so I'm looking at that |
| 17:05.45 | bigdog_ut | mheath, to be honest...if i had to do it again i would hit uofu |
| 17:05.56 | bigdog_ut | mheath, dont register |
| 17:06.00 | Keighvin | graphyx: You're better off doing the escaping manually. |
| 17:06.10 | bigdog_ut | mheath, you will lose your application fee is all |
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| 17:06.16 | Keighvin | $match_string = $string; |
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| 17:06.35 | mheath | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 17:06.38 | mheath | ~lart scothoser |
| 17:06.42 | vatic42 | levi: are you interested? |
| 17:06.43 | mheath | Got me all confused.. |
| 17:06.49 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin mheath |
| 17:06.50 | ibot | ACTION pulls mheath underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 17:06.54 | Keighvin | $match_string =~ s/([()etc])/\\$1/g; |
| 17:07.12 | Keighvin | Then use $match_string to do your search. |
| 17:07.12 | levi | vatic42: I would be if I had the money to spend. I have a G4 iBook right now. |
| 17:07.21 | vatic42 | ahh |
| 17:07.21 | mheath | bigdog_ut, I am not a purebred geek. That doesn't work with me :P |
| 17:07.30 | elg | levi: maybe he'll consider a trade. :) |
| 17:07.35 | mheath | I am 50% Marine, 50% geek. An interesting but potent combination ;-) |
| 17:07.36 | bigdog_ut | mheath, oh yeah |
| 17:07.37 | elg | the ibook is fairly light |
| 17:07.40 | levi | elg: Hah. :) |
| 17:07.51 | levi | Not in the 2lb range, though. |
| 17:07.53 | vatic42 | funny. :) |
| 17:08.35 | levi | vatic42: How about a car? I've got cars to trade. ;) |
| 17:08.35 | bigdog_ut | lol...i was raised by a 100% marine |
| 17:08.36 | vatic42 | lol |
| 17:08.36 | vatic42 | nooo |
| 17:08.45 | vatic42 | I need money to get a replacement laptop :) |
| 17:08.56 | mheath | bigdog_ut, Technically I didn't quite make it through basic training. Otherwise, I'd claim 100% Marine :-) |
| 17:09.15 | bigdog_ut | mheath, are you in the service then? |
| 17:09.30 | elg | yeah, it's not quite 2 lbs. 4 lbs I think. |
| 17:09.36 | elg | 2.25 kg according to my kitchen scale |
| 17:09.44 | elg | but my HDD is fairly full |
| 17:09.46 | vatic42 | plus I want an intel machine |
| 17:09.48 | mheath | bigdog_ut, Recently given an entry level seperation because of medical issues. |
| 17:09.56 | vatic42 | haha. |
| 17:09.58 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 17:10.15 | mheath | bigdog_ut, Didn't even graduate from basic training :( |
| 17:10.19 | graphyx | Keighvin: The string isn't known before hand. So that approach is harder to do. someone in #perl suggested this: $a =~ /\Q$string\E/ |
| 17:10.25 | graphyx | and that did the trick. |
| 17:10.35 | Keighvin | sweet. |
| 17:10.36 | vatic42 | do you guys know anyone who's interested? |
| 17:10.40 | levi | vatic42: I'm afraid I don't have any intel-powered cars. |
| 17:10.41 | graphyx | since the \Q and \E prevent the intepretation of syntax characters. |
| 17:10.42 | vatic42 | or who would be interested |
| 17:10.45 | elg | vatic42: price range? |
| 17:11.01 | vatic42 | elg: I'm looking for $1400 |
| 17:11.36 | elg | my brother is looking but that's out of his range |
| 17:11.53 | macnewbold | vatic42: if you find $1400, and have any left, let me know |
| 17:12.16 | vatic42 | heh |
| 17:12.25 | vatic42 | yeah I don't think I can go any lower than that |
| 17:12.35 | elg | a good price probably |
| 17:12.37 | vatic42 | I think it's a reasonable amount |
| 17:13.41 | levi | It's about $100 less than a refurbished one from Apple. |
| 17:13.58 | vatic42 | refurbished ones cost $1699 |
| 17:14.16 | vatic42 | plus you have to pay tax |
| 17:14.20 | vatic42 | which is another $100 |
| 17:14.21 | levi | That's for the 2ghz one. |
| 17:14.25 | levi | But yeah, tax is extra. |
| 17:14.32 | levi | I'm not saying it's a bad deal. |
| 17:14.54 | vatic42 | oh yeah true |
| 17:14.59 | mheath | Just to keep my options open for now |
| 17:15.10 | levi | Options are good. |
| 17:15.38 | vatic42 | ah yeah |
| 17:15.44 | vatic42 | 1549 for the refurbed 1.83 |
| 17:15.47 | levi | vatic42: Either way, I don't have $1k to spend right now. Now, if I could sell one of my cars... |
| 17:16.11 | levi | Anyone want a '99 Toyota Solara? It's red. |
| 17:17.49 | graphyx | Why not just trade laptop for car? |
| 17:18.02 | graphyx | Heck, I'll buy the laptop and trade it to you for the car if it runs well.. |
| 17:18.03 | graphyx | ;) |
| 17:19.45 | levi | Well, I want a little more than $1400 for the car. :) |
| 17:20.01 | graphyx | oh.. I knew there was a catch. |
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| 17:20.12 | graphyx | some used car sales man you turned out to be levi... |
| 17:20.22 | graphyx | ~nuke levi |
| 17:20.23 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at levi ... B☢☢M! |
| 17:21.32 | redbeard1 | BAAM? |
| 17:21.42 | redbeard1 | emeril missles. BAAM! |
| 17:21.58 | levi | Those aren't As, they're little round nuke symbols. |
| 17:22.45 | findlay | TimRiker: the comma seperator looks like it works in crontab MAILTO field |
| 17:22.59 | graphyx | I wonder if the word sound boom is universal across lots of languages.. |
| 17:23.22 | vatic42 | haha |
| 17:23.23 | findlay | universal onomopia |
| 17:23.28 | vatic42 | someone give levi $1400 for his car |
| 17:23.39 | findlay | we just need to get everybody to use the IPA |
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| 17:25.24 | graphyx | is it really accurate to say nick-away just entered a room? |
| 17:25.38 | graphyx | Seems like the enterance means that they are not away. |
| 17:25.40 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 17:25.44 | findlay | ~lart odbc |
| 17:25.49 | findlay | ~lart windows+odbc |
| 17:25.54 | graphyx | -lart ~rlart |
| 17:26.00 | findlay | ~lart windows once more for good measure |
| 17:26.51 | findlay | ~lart access |
| 17:27.18 | findlay | ~lart windows occult guis |
| 17:29.22 | findlay | ~lart windows+odbc+access+guis from heck |
| 17:29.42 | graphyx | findlay: Having a bad day? |
| 17:30.43 | findlay | graphyx: pretty much |
| 17:31.26 | graphyx | findlay: What's got you down, or violent? |
| 17:31.42 | findlay | odbc |
| 17:33.14 | mheath | ~lart ODBC |
| 17:33.28 | mheath | Excellent choice, ibot. |
| 17:34.11 | mheath | Hmm. I fall short of the UoU's science requirements. Means I'll have to take a science class (probably biology) right off... |
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| 17:37.30 | findlay | if you schedule a cron job to run every minute and it takes longer than a minute to run will cron still run the same command every minute? |
| 17:37.55 | findlay | or do you have to account for that with your command? |
| 17:39.08 | elg | findlay: my guess is it will start a new one every minute |
| 17:39.11 | sontek | It'll just spawn off new processes for each one |
| 17:39.47 | Jayce^ | moo |
| 17:39.56 | mheath | Is having a parent who is an alumni of a university usually a positive in getting accepted there? |
| 17:40.47 | elg | depends on the university, but my guess is it wouldn't matter |
| 17:41.08 | elg | i'm sure it's not a negative though |
| 17:44.34 | scothoser | mheath: I don't think alumni have a lot of bearing in being accepted, but I don't think it would hurt. ^_^ As long as your grades were good, and you have a good ACT score, you shouldn't have any worries. Many people get into the college with a C average, and a 21 ACT score. If you are transferring from Weber State, then you would definitely want to get at least a 3.0 for acceptance. |
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| 17:45.10 | mheath | scothoser, I've decided to apply directly for UoU |
| 17:45.14 | mheath | Keep my options open |
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| 17:45.26 | mheath | I have a highschool GPA of 3.0, and an ACT composite of 30 |
| 17:45.40 | mheath | Problem is, I'm 1 credit short of what they want me to have in Science. |
| 17:46.38 | scothoser | Then you shouldn't have any trouble at all.... You can do a makeup in Science while going to the U, I'm sure. Or you can test out of it. I believe they have a testing center to take care of little things like that. |
| 17:46.56 | scothoser | I'll see what I can find. |
| 17:47.27 | mheath | Actually |
| 17:47.32 | mheath | Nevermind.... |
| 17:47.38 | mheath | I did take some biology. |
| 17:48.08 | mheath | I was in a unique situation. I got moved up a grade (went from 8th to 10th, basically) but still had to do the credit requirements for 9th |
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| 17:48.22 | mheath | I did some online classes, some packets, etc....I forgot that one of the things I did was biology. |
| 17:48.49 | scothoser | Sweet! |
| 17:52.55 | scothoser | Are you planning on starting in the spring, summer, or fall? |
| 17:54.04 | mheath | scothoser, Spring. |
| 17:54.25 | mheath | scothoser, How expensive is student housing up there? Is the housing any good? Food service? |
| 17:57.05 | scothoser | The housing is decent, and less than an apartment.. You can get more at www.housing.utah.edu/prospective.html |
| 17:57.29 | scothoser | The food is great, depending on what you like. |
| 17:58.14 | scothoser | They have Asian and southwestern in the Union that's wonderful, as well as the classic hamburger. They also have a nice salad bar, and a vegan bar. |
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| 17:58.38 | scothoser | The Sushi isn't too bad, either, though I wouldn't call it the best. |
| 17:58.45 | mheath | It feels odd checking yes to "Are you a veteran?" |
| 17:58.59 | mheath | I don't consider myself to be a veteran, though legally I am =\ |
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| 18:02.07 | graphyx | mheath: Well, it beats having been washed out, no? |
| 18:02.29 | mheath | graphyx, yep. I know I did my hardest. |
| 18:02.52 | mheath | While I was in the Recruit Seperations Platoon, there were some recruits there who were being washed out for conduct or preformance issues |
| 18:02.58 | mheath | They disgusted me, actually.. |
| 18:04.00 | mheath | I hope that UoU will accept this transcript |
| 18:04.28 | mheath | They say they want it direct from the highschool....But I already have an official one is a sealed envelope (with a stamp to indicate tampering with the seal) |
| 18:09.06 | scothoser | They can get it from the high school if they really need it. |
| 18:12.06 | mheath | be back in a bit |
| 18:17.03 | Keighvin | ~abuse me |
| 18:17.08 | ibot | ACTION smacks keighvin across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
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| 18:23.32 | mheath[laptop] | "If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it." |
| 18:24.12 | graphyx | I think that sentence should read If the human mind were simple enough... |
| 18:24.42 | graphyx | My english grammar improved remarkably once I learned italian. |
| 18:26.41 | sontek | I choose to ignore grammar rules and use what sounds correct =) |
| 18:27.01 | levi | But then it wouldn't be an accurate quotation. |
| 18:32.05 | levi | But yes, the past subjunctive form of 'to be' should be used to express a counterfactual condition. |
| 18:32.32 | levi | At least according to the alt.english-usage.org FAQ |
| 18:32.58 | mheath[laptop] | Ugh. People are now looking for prostitutes on MySpace. |
| 18:33.08 | mheath[laptop] | Someone sent my sister a rather....interesting message. |
| 18:33.15 | mheath[laptop] | (He was a married mormon with children, BTW) |
| 18:34.00 | ^Migs^ | yeah, gotta watch out for those married mormons with children |
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| 18:35.11 | sontek | lol, you think thats bad go on craigslist |
| 18:35.38 | sontek | M4W MARRIED WITH CHILDREN DISCREEEEEET |
| 18:36.01 | sontek | But the community is usually pretty good at discarding of them |
| 18:36.10 | sontek | myspace's community welcomes that kind of crap :P |
| 18:41.57 | levi | Man seeks sexual encounter on internet: news at 11 |
| 18:43.09 | mheath[laptop] | Sister: "So, if you flag a message, will they actually do anything?" |
| 18:43.13 | mheath[laptop] | Me: "Uh...yeah...sure." |
| 18:44.53 | levi | Sweet, a Barbie with a pet dog that poops jellybeans. |
| 18:46.16 | sontek | I'm getting one for my gf for xmas |
| 18:46.18 | sontek | ! |
| 18:53.58 | redbeard1 | anyone know of a good usb wireless network adapter that's reliable under ubuntu? |
| 18:54.05 | redbeard1 | their list doesn't seem to be helping me much. |
| 18:59.14 | Keighvin | usb wifi is still difficult to come by reliably under Linux, I'm afraid. |
| 19:05.57 | Keighvin | Yay! Sony is finally releasing an eInk book reader into the US market. |
| 19:11.44 | levi | redbeard1: Heh, in your latest blog entry, you say 'ICQ' in one place where I think you meant 'IQF' :) |
| 19:13.04 | redbeard1 | levi, hey thanks man |
| 19:13.15 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: yeah, that's what i've been finding |
| 19:14.08 | redbeard1 | levi: fixed |
| 19:21.15 | TimRiker | findlay: cool (yeah, I lag) |
| 19:25.57 | mheath | redbeard1, where did you say you went to cooking school at? |
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| 19:27.08 | graphyx | mheath I think he went somewhere in the USA. |
| 19:38.36 | redbeard1 | mheath, i went to the le cordon bleu school in new hampshire |
| 19:38.58 | Jayce^ | yeah, all they teach is how to make rolled chicken.... some school |
| 19:39.32 | mheath | redbeard1, Atlantic Culinary Academy? |
| 19:39.40 | redbeard1 | mheath, yeah, that's the one |
| 19:39.53 | redbeard1 | not to be confused with the atlanta culinary academy, which is also lcb |
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| 19:41.07 | mheath | How are schools certified as a "Le Cordon Bleu"? I notice a lot of schools have the "Le Cordon Bleu Paris" ribbon shown, but if you go to the official Le Cordon Bleu website it only lists a few schools |
| 19:41.29 | graphyx | how many people teach how to make cordon bleu? |
| 19:43.17 | redbeard1 | mheath: theres somewhere between one and two dozen lcb schools in the us, and they have a different setup. they are official lcb schools, and my diplome du culinaire was signed in paris, but the us schools are all owned by a different corporation |
| 19:43.47 | mheath | ah. |
| 19:43.57 | mheath | redbeard1, how long does it take to get a diplome du clinaire? |
| 19:44.00 | mheath | *culinaire |
| 19:45.29 | redbeard1 | well, the us schools are different because they come with a 2-yr associate degree too. but most of those programs are accelerated, so you end up getting both in about 18 months instead of 2 years. but the work is harder and faster than a regular associates degree |
| 19:46.04 | redbeard1 | my first 6 weeks there, i was usually in class from 1pm to almost 10pm, with a couple of 15 minute breaks |
| 19:46.35 | redbeard1 | it eases up after that, but not by much. less than 50% of the people that enroll make it past that first class. |
| 19:47.17 | mheath | I've thought about going to a culinary arts institute at some point in my life... |
| 19:47.21 | mheath | Heh, I wish I had more time! |
| 19:47.32 | mheath | Theres so much I want to do and accomplish in my life, and not enough time to do it all |
| 19:47.55 | redbeard1 | i wouldn't recommend the art institute of america schools... from what i've heard of them and seen of the few graduates i've met, it's not very good |
| 19:48.40 | redbeard1 | if you have 6 months to spare and don't care about the degree, you could go to the french culinary institute in new york. if you survive that, you can get hired just about anywhere. it's one of the best schools in the country. |
| 19:49.15 | mheath | redbeard1, what level do schools like this start at? |
| 19:49.36 | mheath | I've done alot of cooking, but like I've told you, most of its just following recipes |
| 19:50.11 | redbeard1 | you need at least a high school degree. most of the students view it as regular college education since that's really what it is. you still have to get your gen ed requirements in |
| 19:50.44 | mheath | redbeard1, I mean, as far as skill level. |
| 19:51.49 | redbeard1 | the foreign schools will to basic, intermediate and advanced classes. if you went to an american school, there's a 2-wk refresher class you have to take at the foreign schools to be considered intermediate. |
| 19:54.04 | mheath | redbeard1, what I mean is, would I be OK starting at school like these with my current skill level? |
| 19:54.05 | redbeard1 | when i started at my school, i had the least amount of cooking knowledge of anyone in my class. by the time we'd finished that first 6 weeks, i was about the same level as everyone else. out of 12 people that started with me, 5 got passing grades and moved on. |
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| 19:55.11 | mheath | Keighvin, Yes? |
| 19:55.13 | mheath | O.o |
| 19:55.27 | Keighvin | 13:53 < mheath> Theres so much I want to do and accomplish in my life, and not enough time to do it all |
| 19:55.43 | mheath | Keighvin, Time-wise not life-longevity wise |
| 19:55.47 | redbeard1 | mheath: does that answer your question? |
| 19:55.57 | mheath | redbeard1, yes. :) |
| 19:56.22 | mheath | I did also spend some time cooking at a restraunt...Applebees (not my main job...but I enjoyed cooking and would occasionally trade off with a friend there, switching jobs) |
| 19:56.34 | Keighvin | The one allows you to balance the other. |
| 19:57.04 | redbeard1 | starting skill level isn't a big deal. it's surviving the first class that you should be worried about. |
| 19:58.44 | redbeard1 | a lot of people are just kids out of high school that don't know what college is like. they think they can just coast through it like they did in high school. it doesn't work that way in cooking school tho. my roommate had experience, but he thought he was the bomb. he ended up getting suspended for 2 months for fighting with a chef. he eventually transferred to another school. |
| 20:01.31 | mheath | redbeard1, Thats why I'm thinking if I do ever go to a culinary arts school, it will be after a normal degree at a normal univeristy. |
| 20:01.33 | mheath | *university |
| 20:01.43 | mheath | redbeard1, It is something I'd like to do... |
| 20:02.10 | mheath | Heh, I'm going to end up with an impressive resume. BS in Computer science. Fluent in Japanese. Teaching certification. Culinary Arts degree. |
| 20:04.26 | redbeard1 | mheath, for the record, most culinary schools don't care about your other degrees. i had a friend there with a bachelors and one with a masters, and they had to start from scratch like i did. but now i can use some of my culinary credits towards a bachelors degree. |
| 20:04.44 | redbeard1 | so if you do culinary first, you're looking at saving a couple of semesters worth of time |
| 20:05.18 | redbeard1 | then again, culinary is unbelievably expensive, so there's that to be considered too |
| 20:05.24 | mheath | Not something I can really do right now.. |
| 20:05.26 | mheath | Yeah |
| 20:05.43 | mheath | The French Culinary Institute of New York wants 38,500 |
| 20:05.47 | mheath | Thats for the entire program |
| 20:05.53 | mheath | ontop of that, I'd have to find room and board |
| 20:06.06 | redbeard1 | really? they were only $26k when i was looking |
| 20:06.26 | mheath | My entire 4 year education _with_ room and board here in Utah will cost far less than that place would |
| 20:06.31 | redbeard1 | yup |
| 20:06.44 | mheath | I don't have the resources to pay for something like that yet. |
| 20:07.15 | redbeard1 | yeah, $550/mo of student loan payments for 20 years isn't my idea of a good time, but that's what i have now |
| 20:07.28 | mheath | I'm not likely to get any federal student aid, and probably won't get much in the line of scholarships, so most of my education will be paid with through student loans |
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| 20:08.01 | mheath | redbeard1, have you worked professionally as a chef? |
| 20:08.48 | redbeard1 | mheath, i've catered a few times, which i suppose counts, but i've never worked as a chef in a restaurant. i was a baker at deer valley for a while tho. |
| 20:09.08 | redbeard1 | well, and i worked at a steak house in nh while going to school |
| 20:10.12 | mheath | GAH |
| 20:10.18 | redbeard1 | gah? |
| 20:10.22 | mheath | FCI NYC Student Housing Rates |
| 20:10.26 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 20:10.27 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 20:10.39 | mheath | 2006 Double: $1,060 per month |
| 20:11.01 | elg | people an hour away in connecticut pay $850/mo for a little one-room attic apt. |
| 20:11.06 | redbeard1 | a friend of mine was paying $1500 for her studio apt there. i don't think they had student housing at the time. |
| 20:11.27 | mheath | Thats just under what Weber State wants for an entire ACADEMIC YEAR of housing. |
| 20:11.41 | redbeard1 | yup |
| 20:11.52 | mheath | redbeard1, its not official onsite housing....contracted. Semi-official, sponsered. |
| 20:12.13 | redbeard1 | i was paying $500/mo for student housing in new hampshire. that hurt. |
| 20:12.22 | mheath | Ok, that settles it. I don't have this kind of money, yet. Nor do I want to take out 40,000 in student loans. |
| 20:12.50 | mheath | erm, $45,000 |
| 20:13.13 | redbeard1 | slcc and uvcs have culinary schools, you know |
| 20:13.33 | redbeard1 | s/uvcs/uvsc/ |
| 20:13.38 | neybar | or las vegas or san fancisco |
| 20:16.18 | elg | i'll set up a culinary school if you liike |
| 20:16.22 | herlo | ibot: how come you never do search and replace when I ask? |
| 20:16.36 | elg | i'll even hire redbeard to teach on salary of one loaf per week |
| 20:16.37 | elg | and water |
| 20:16.46 | elg | (but only for drinking) |
| 20:17.06 | redbeard1 | *hic* |
| 20:17.20 | elg | ~drink redbeard1 |
| 20:17.22 | ibot | I don't want to drink redbeard1 |
| 20:17.46 | elg | ibot: you'll do as your told |
| 20:17.59 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 20:18.02 | elg | ~say Ok, I'll drink redbeard1 |
| 20:18.03 | ibot | Ok, I'll drink redbeard1 |
| 20:18.06 | redbeard1 | elg, he does what i tell him |
| 20:19.16 | herlo | ~lart ibot for ignoring me |
| 20:19.38 | herlo | ibot: you were supposed to lart yourself |
| 20:19.56 | redbeard1 | herlo, try -lart ibot |
| 20:20.12 | jsmith | redbeard1: Good one! |
| 20:20.27 | redbeard1 | jsmith: good what? |
| 20:20.42 | herlo | -lart ibot |
| 20:37.54 | redbeard1 | there ya go |
| 20:37.54 | herlo | redbeard1: but I want ibot to lart himself |
| 20:37.54 | jsmith | redbeard1: Oh, sorry -- I mistook the hyphen for a tilde |
| 20:37.55 | herlo | its funnier that way |
| 20:37.55 | redbeard1 | herlo: i've tried. he's resistant to that. |
| 20:37.55 | bigdog_ut | ~lart herlo |
| 20:37.55 | elg | one |
| 20:37.55 | elg | ~lart himself |
| 20:37.55 | herlo | redbeard1: obviously, damn that ibot |
| 20:37.55 | herlo | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 20:37.55 | redbeard1 | ibot: bit me |
| 20:37.57 | ibot | ACTION is proud of biting redbeard1. |
| 20:37.57 | redbeard1 | ibot: bite me |
| 20:37.58 | ibot | ACTION takes a big bite out of redbeard1's jugular vein |
| 20:37.58 | bigdog_ut | damn ibot you suck |
| 20:37.58 | Keighvin | ~Overstock |
| 20:38.00 | ibot | i heard overstock is the EVIL COMPANY |
| 20:38.00 | herlo | ~tick Keighvin |
| 20:38.01 | elg | -roulette |
| 20:38.01 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 20:38.01 | elg | -rps rock |
| 20:38.01 | brac | scissors. You win. Score: me 0 you 1 |
| 20:38.01 | redbeard1 | ibot: go jump in a lake |
| 20:38.03 | herlo | ibot: kiss my ... |
| 20:38.04 | ibot | ACTION forces my ... to give sontek a big kiss on the forhead |
| 20:38.04 | redbeard1 | yeah, i guess i just don't know what to say |
| 20:38.04 | Keighvin | Um... Wassup w/the bot? |
| 20:38.04 | herlo | ibot: what's the deal? |
| 20:38.06 | mheath | <ibot> Ok, I'll drink redbeard1 |
| 20:38.06 | mheath | Thats the last thing he said |
| 20:38.06 | mheath | redbeard1 is poisonous, you know. |
| 20:38.06 | redbeard1 | it's true |
| 20:38.07 | redbeard1 | actually, i'm more like a cancer |
| 20:38.08 | harleypig | The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense. |
| 20:38.08 | harleypig | -- Edsgar Dijkstra |
| 20:38.08 | Keighvin | Lookit me, I'm a cooking nerd! Outa my way! |
| 20:38.09 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: dude, how do you contract a case of cancer? i think that's generally reserved for things like viruses and bacterias |
| 20:38.09 | harleypig | Smoke |
| 20:38.09 | Keighvin | Right - the vast majority of cancers are caused by virii. |
| 20:38.09 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: you mean like skin cancer? |
| 20:38.09 | redbeard1 | no, wait. |
| 20:38.09 | Keighvin | Which replicate by implanting their RNA inside of a cell, then compromising the health of the cell. |
| 20:38.10 | redbeard1 | so are you saying i'm a viral cancer? |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | Once that cell divides, it becomes a factory for the virus. |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | In some cases, the RNA does not completely supplant the original structure. |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | So the cell takes the instruction to divide and replicate, but with a mutated version of itself as well. |
| 20:38.10 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: look pal, if i wanted knowledge, i wouldn't be looking for it in irc of all places |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | And yes, like smoking and sun exposure there are other means of introducing similar mutagtions. |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | s/mutagtions/mutations |
| 20:38.10 | redbeard1 | did we crash ibot or something? |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | Well YOU did. |
| 20:38.10 | Keighvin | -lart redbeard1 for crashing ibot |
| 20:38.10 | redbeard1 | -nerd Keighvin |
| 20:38.10 | redbeard1 | stupid bots |
| 20:38.11 | Keighvin | Although it is somewhat ambiguous as to whether or not the environmental conditions cause the mutation, or introduce factors which weaken specific immune responses and allow other virii to do the work. |
| 20:38.11 | harleypig | I've been sober way too long. |
| 20:38.11 | harleypig | Keighvin: it's mutagens |
| 20:38.11 | redbeard1 | harleypig: want some red stripe? we can go pick some up. |
| 20:38.11 | redbeard1 | i'll drive |
| 20:38.11 | harleypig | No, if I'm gonna start up again I might as well start with MadDog 20/20 ... go down the tubes right off the bat. |
| 20:38.11 | Keighvin | 'mutagen' is a very generic term, encompassing the various factors I was describing. |
| 20:38.11 | redbeard1 | harleypig: dude, don't do that to yourself. get some good stuff. |
| 20:38.12 | redbeard1 | i think i still have a flask of jd in the freezer |
| 20:38.12 | harleypig | Keighvin: eh ... I still think I'm right--which probably means you're correct. |
| 20:38.12 | harleypig | Y'know ... all of a sudden I have a strong craving for Wild Turkey and a fat stogey. |
| 20:38.12 | redbeard1 | harleypig: dude, what are you doing? giving way to Keighvin? |
| 20:38.14 | harleypig | http://www.domenicocigars.com/Ressourcen/pres.JPG |
| 20:38.14 | harleypig | Now *those* are some giant cigars .. |
| 20:38.14 | redbeard1 | reminds me of cheech and chong |
| 20:38.14 | redbeard1 | the up in smoke album |
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| 20:38.15 | harleypig | Oh ... duuuude ... we made a stogey that was almost as big as the one in the movie, mixed it with tobacco, cloves, some snow ... we couldn't breathe for a whole day afterwords. |
| 20:38.35 | Tene | 14:38 <ibot> Too many queries from you, ignoring for 5 minutes. |
| 20:38.36 | Tene | o.O |
| 20:38.41 | redbeard1 | Tene: same here |
| 20:38.46 | harleypig | yeah, me too |
| 20:38.52 | harleypig | ibot is stonkered |
| 20:39.17 | mheath | Same here. I said one thing to him. |
| 20:40.18 | mheath | ibot, do you need a hug? |
| 20:40.42 | redbeard1 | mheath i think you still have 3 minutes left |
| 20:43.22 | harleypig | spr: Did you ever navigate that gtk ssh prompt? |
| 20:44.42 | harleypig | If you like I can walk you through it ... |
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| 21:08.19 | mheath | Oops. Someone shut the door that the computer is behind on this desk......Its getting pretty overheated. Gotta shutdown for a while and just mheath[laptop] instead |
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| 21:12.49 | elg | well that guy was less than pleased |
| 21:14.15 | mheath[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.24 | elg | he came looking for points taken off because he understands it |
| 21:14.30 | mheath[laptop] | USB flash device that is.....~512MB - 1GB |
| 21:14.58 | mrpull | mheath[laptop]: newegg? |
| 21:15.17 | mrpull | mheath[laptop]: or I've got an 1GB iPod nano that is still in the box :) |
| 21:15.24 | elg | it's rough when you're graded on what you communicate instead of what you know |
| 21:15.35 | levi | elg: Indeed. |
| 21:15.51 | levi | elg: Or what you knew while taking the test, as opposed to what you know now. |
| 21:15.56 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: I'm a broke person who currently has $9.92 to his name who will over the next 4 years go more and more in debt. |
| 21:16.06 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: But I'd love to have that ipod nano :) |
| 21:16.25 | elg | levi: heh, well that wasn't the case this time. he was still convinced that what he had written was conveying what he knew |
| 21:16.27 | mrpull | 9 bucks is a bit short of my expected sell price |
| 21:16.36 | mrpull | anyone wanna buy a white 1GB nano? |
| 21:16.48 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: but its $9 and _92 cents_! |
| 21:16.48 | elg | he had the idea (inductive proofs) but not the details (how to form inductive proofs) |
| 21:16.56 | mrpull | i'll trade it for a DirecTV TiVo receiver :) |
| 21:17.13 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: wait...wait. My empty savings acount with the minimum $25 accumulated 3 cents in interest. |
| 21:17.20 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: $9 and 95 cents! |
| 21:17.37 | mrpull | mheath[laptop]: maybe you should marry a rich person |
| 21:18.04 | mheath[laptop] | Technically I am rich. Or so the government tells me when I try to apply for student financial aid :( |
| 21:18.24 | elg | then you should marry a poor person |
| 21:19.05 | Keighvin | mheath[laptop]: What happened to the $34 in checking? |
| 21:19.16 | mrpull | mheath[laptop]: suck it up. i didn't get any handouts and paid my own way thru school |
| 21:19.18 | Keighvin | I know I ~rob`d you, but I never actually saw a dime (is it in the mail or what?) |
| 21:19.24 | mheath[laptop] | Keighvin: Spent :P |
| 21:19.30 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: I know. My complaints are all joking. |
| 21:19.55 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: unless your the type of person who takes pity on poor people, in which case I am completely destitute and would love an ipod. |
| 21:19.58 | mheath[laptop] | ;-) |
| 21:20.45 | mheath[laptop] | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820181503 not bad.. |
| 21:20.52 | mheath[laptop] | $10 for 512MB |
| 21:21.01 | mheath[laptop] | I can remember when you'd be paying easily $40 for that |
| 21:21.13 | elg | but still not within your budget |
| 21:21.45 | Jayce^ | mheath[laptop], in a room like this, *never* start that type of discussion..... why *I* remember when..... |
| 21:21.49 | elg | not until a few more years interest |
| 21:22.22 | elg | *I* remember when Jayce^ was just a little perl coder in Orem, back before he was a perl demigod |
| 21:22.55 | mheath[laptop] | elg: I'll just be like Ender, and fly away in a relative spacecraft, while my bank account accumulates billions of dollars in interest. |
| 21:23.14 | elg | but your 512 flash drive won't be much good when you get back |
| 21:23.16 | Jayce^ | elg, like it |
| 21:23.46 | mheath[laptop] | Jayce^: And don't start a conversation about hard working and valuing the money you have with _me_. I spent a month working for the USMC and walked away with $25. |
| 21:24.03 | mheath[laptop] | :-) |
| 21:24.13 | levi | elg: He's a demigod now? I must have missed his ascension. |
| 21:24.42 | elg | and I worked for a punk that didn't pay me a dime during the dotcom bubble. not a lot, just a couple weeks part time |
| 21:24.47 | mheath[laptop] | levi: Well inform you of the next ascension ceremony. ibot is becoming a demibot. |
| 21:25.05 | elg | I did get a lot of music off his hard drive though |
| 21:25.29 | mheath[laptop] | *We'll (So those ' things DO matter) |
| 21:26.06 | mheath[laptop] | I want to cook something |
| 21:26.15 | elg | bread |
| 21:26.18 | mrpull | mheath[laptop]: you didn't gain _anything_ from boot camp? |
| 21:26.35 | scothoser | elg: I feel your pain.. There are probably a lot of us that got burned during the dot-bomb period.. |
| 21:27.10 | mheath[laptop] | mrpull: most of your first several paychecks are deducted to pay for gear. And despite the fact that I turned that all back in, I still walk away with....NOTHING! |
| 21:27.24 | elg | well honestly it wasn't very painful. I got experience refactoring a database schema, got some cool music, and was an almost zero-cost student at the time and didn't really need the money |
| 21:27.36 | mheath[laptop] | They gave me $25 because they're required by regulations to make sure I have at least that much (to pay for meals, etc) when I leave |
| 21:28.12 | mrpull | mheath[laptop]: I wasn't talking about money :) |
| 21:28.36 | *** join/#utah redbeard1 (n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 21:28.43 | mheath[laptop] | bah |
| 21:28.52 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: onjoin redbeard1 0 |
| 21:28.52 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard1 set by mheath on Mon Sep 25 13:10:50 2006: ping mheath |
| 21:29.01 | mheath[laptop] | or however you do it |
| 21:29.02 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 mmm, cheesecake! |
| 21:29.03 | ibot | redbeard1: ok |
| 21:29.03 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: onjoin redbeard1 off |
| 21:29.03 | ibot | mheath[laptop]: ok |
| 21:29.32 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: onjoin redbeard1 mmm, cheesecake! |
| 21:29.32 | ibot | ok, mheath[laptop] |
| 21:29.44 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 -lart elg |
| 21:29.44 | ibot | redbeard1: ok |
| 21:29.52 | redbeard1 | i think i like tht the best |
| 21:31.14 | harleypig | I wanna know how I survived teenage years ... |
| 21:31.42 | redbeard1 | harleypig: are you sure you really did? |
| 21:31.43 | elg | me too |
| 21:32.01 | harleypig | If I didn't, I'm in hell |
| 21:32.10 | Keighvin | If we can find the loop hole you used for that survival and close it, the world will be a better place. |
| 21:32.25 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.14 | harleypig | Demon noises? |
| 21:33.21 | elg | wow, what noises does a demon make? |
| 21:33.37 | mheath[laptop] | "Hey, I'm a demon, you should be really afraid."? |
| 21:35.58 | Keighvin | Think "pointy haired boss" |
| 21:36.24 | elg | the problem with PHBs is that they have just enough intelligence to speak |
| 21:36.45 | Keighvin | Some of them have enough hand-eye coordination to do drugs, too. |
| 21:37.02 | elg | it could only be an improvement |
| 21:37.14 | Keighvin | On an unrelated note... |
| 21:37.16 | Keighvin | ~Overstock |
| 21:37.17 | ibot | from memory, overstock is the EVIL COMPANY |
| 21:38.11 | elg | ibot, onjoin dilvie -lart juice |
| 21:38.11 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 21:40.12 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: say ~lart ibot |
| 21:40.13 | ibot | ~lart ibot |
| 21:41.45 | mheath[laptop] | ibot: lart ibоt |
| 21:42.00 | mheath[laptop] | ahah. I win. |
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| 21:45.35 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you work with me, redbeard1, and Keighvin... how could you doubt not being in hell |
| 21:46.54 | Keighvin | Actually, I'm rather enjoying myself. |
| 21:46.59 | Keighvin | Or is this just harleypig's hell? |
| 21:47.17 | mheath[laptop] | The part of my laptop where my wrists rest when I'm typing is starting to get noticably worn. :( |
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| 21:48.00 | ^Migs^ | whoops |
| 21:48.05 | Jayce^ | Keighvin, his hell, our fun... same diff |
| 21:48.08 | ^Migs^ | shut up, Keighvin |
| 21:48.32 | Keighvin | ^Migs^: wtf? |
| 21:48.39 | ^Migs^ | you heard me |
| 21:48.46 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 21:48.55 | mheath[laptop] | very angry. |
| 21:49.02 | Keighvin | Yes, but I have absolutely no context into which I can apply your seemingly ambiguous hostility. |
| 21:49.16 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: is a lot of things |
| 21:49.32 | ^Migs^ | you just rub me the wrong way, Keighvin |
| 21:49.55 | Jayce^ | wow, that's one heck of a rub :) |
| 21:50.10 | emcnabb | Keighvin: you suck because I'm a moron! |
| 21:50.11 | ^Migs^ | nah, I'm just kidding |
| 21:50.17 | mheath[laptop] | How is hostility ambiguous? It seems that the situation that caused hostility can be of an ambiguous nature, but I dont think hostility can itself be ambiguous. |
| 21:50.26 | ^Migs^ | I agree with mheath |
| 21:50.38 | mheath[laptop] | Thats a statement you don't hear very often. |
| 21:50.40 | ^Migs^ | Keighvin's grammar sucks |
| 21:50.41 | Keighvin | It can in IRC, because there is text only - the other 90% of the communication process is missing. |
| 21:50.59 | ^Migs^ | Wrong, Keighvin. We have smileys. =8) |
| 21:51.00 | Keighvin | Intonation, posture & body language, etc. |
| 21:51.11 | Keighvin | Your comment did not. |
| 21:51.24 | ^Migs^ | so you assume a neutral smiley. :| |
| 21:51.51 | Keighvin | Which leaves the situation again, ambiguous (with regards to context - this is an acceptable use) |
| 21:51.55 | ^Migs^ | I can inform someone they need to shut up without foaming at the mouth |
| 21:52.25 | ^Migs^ | you missed mheath's point. He said the situation itself is ambiguous, not the hostility, yet now you're trying to pretend like that's what you meant all along. |
| 21:52.54 | harleypig | Tennis! |
| 21:53.05 | Jayce^ | Nerf! |
| 21:53.23 | Keighvin | I use obscure symantics: I meant that the hostility itself was ambiguous in that A) I wasn't sure it existed, but the nature implied it and B) I had no context on to which to hang the phrase as we had no other communication in recent history. |
| 21:53.34 | ^Migs^ | Wrong. |
| 21:53.37 | ^Migs^ | Now you're just being dumb. |
| 21:54.39 | Keighvin | I also don't have to explain myself to you. |
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| 21:57.07 | mheath[laptop] | Wow, that was easier than I remember it being. |
| 21:57.14 | Keighvin | ? |
| 21:57.19 | mheath[laptop] | Setting up my networked HP photosmart 8450 in Ubuntu |
| 21:57.35 | mheath[laptop] | Just add new printer....HP Jetdirect, IP = 192.168.0.101, and it worked |
| 21:57.45 | Keighvin | Congratulations. |
| 21:57.59 | mheath[laptop] | Thank you. |
| 22:04.10 | herlo | anybody seen this article? http://www.bostonist.com/archives/2006/09/26/its_not_firefox_its_comcastic_.php |
| 22:04.16 | herlo | is there any truth to it? |
| 22:06.08 | Robdor | It was on digg earlier this afternoon. Some of comments were people complaining that it really wasn't working for them. |
| 22:10.17 | herlo | Robdor: yeah, that's where I saw it... |
| 22:10.40 | herlo | thought it interesting. I've had certain "issues" with comcast service over the past months... |
| 22:10.52 | mheath[laptop] | herlo: probably true, but localized. |
| 22:11.04 | mheath[laptop] | Comcast's policies vary wildly from area to area |
| 22:11.07 | herlo | mheath[laptop]: true |
| 22:11.23 | mheath[laptop] | For example, in some areas they outright block incoming traffic on port 80 (to discourage personal web servers) |
| 22:11.29 | mheath[laptop] | Whereas here in Utah, they don't. |
| 22:14.11 | mheath[laptop] | Everything google related works for me, at least. |
| 22:16.14 | herlo | yes, never had specific problems with google, per se, but I have had other problems which seemed to be unrelated, but could be... |
| 22:18.49 | mheath[laptop] | Thats going to suck the most about living in a dorm - no kitchen :( |
| 22:35.28 | macnewbold | many dorms have kitchens, most I'd say even. otherwise, how do you cook your food? |
| 22:35.46 | macnewbold | or do those dorms come with a cafeteria plan or something? |
| 22:37.04 | macnewbold | if you're going to do the school thing, www.gradefix.com will save you some time, energy, and stress, and for free too |
| 22:40.35 | *** part/#utah herlo (n=herlo@65.195.245.6) |
| 22:43.18 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold: already been recommended, but thanks :) |
| 22:43.35 | mheath[laptop] | Most freshman dorms are double occupancy rooms with a cafeteria meal plan. |
| 22:44.10 | macnewbold | oh, fun |
| 22:44.34 | mheath[laptop] | ala Closed Bay barracks |
| 22:45.33 | macnewbold | if you've already been recommended (probably by me I bet), I'd love to know anything you care to tell me about why you're not interested (I won't pressure you or anything, just trying to find out what stops people from signing up) |
| 22:46.26 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold: I plan to give it a try. Just haven't started school yet :) |
| 22:46.52 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold: but most people probably don't sign up after hearing about it just because they think it won't improve there preformance enough to be worth the effort |
| 22:47.23 | mheath[laptop] | I've actually been looking for something like that - school oriented, that helps me break down assignments into more managable portions |
| 22:47.27 | mheath[laptop] | macnewbold: do you run that site? |
| 22:47.29 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1: ping |
| 22:50.33 | scothoser | Tschau alle! I'm off. See you tomorrow! |
| 22:50.36 | *** part/#utah scothoser (n=scothose@wifi-177141.aoce.utah.edu) |
| 22:51.26 | unum | g? I think the fslc channel rarely drops below pg13 |
| 22:51.59 | mheath[laptop] | fslc? |
| 22:52.12 | mheath[laptop] | unum: It was pg; Sargun changed it (no idea why) |
| 22:52.31 | unum | fslc=free software and linux club@usu |
| 22:52.46 | mheath[laptop] | Ah, that reminds me |
| 22:52.51 | mheath[laptop] | What LUGs are close to UoU? |
| 22:52.56 | unum | sllug |
| 22:53.14 | mheath[laptop] | Is SLLUG _at_ UoU? |
| 22:53.16 | unum | I think the astrix group is in salt lake |
| 22:54.19 | unum | mheath[laptop]: yes |
| 22:54.44 | unum | and all the provo groups are with in an hour drive |
| 22:54.57 | unum | s/provo/utah valley |
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| 23:00.37 | albino_ | unum: doubtful, rjr accelerates to the F-word regularly, probably to keep people (like thos who hang out here) from being comfortable |
| 23:00.49 | albino_ | s/thos/those |
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| 23:10.27 | Sargun | whats the difference between "serious dating" and "dating" in the mormon religion? |
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| 23:11.41 | unum | I would say serious dating is exclusive |
| 23:12.06 | elg | i would say cheesecake is exclusive |
| 23:14.36 | albino_ | Sargun: why, you got someone interested in "serious dating"? |
| 23:14.43 | Sargun | lol |
| 23:14.52 | Sargun | cheese cake is good. |
| 23:15.10 | Sargun | uh, now |
| 23:15.10 | Sargun | no |
| 23:15.13 | Sargun | er |
| 23:15.13 | Sargun | now |
| 23:15.17 | Sargun | *slaps hands |
| 23:15.18 | Sargun | no |
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| 23:20.23 | findlay_ | stupid computer |
| 23:20.40 | findlay_ | I had everything the way I wanted and then it decided randomly to reboot |
| 23:24.35 | Tene | Sargun: personally, I don't see "dating" mentioned in my religion anywhere. |
| 23:24.38 | Tene | Culture, maybe... |
| 23:24.43 | Sargun | uh |
| 23:25.34 | Sargun | don't the "elders" recomend that people don't start "serious dating" until 16? (correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 23:26.14 | Tene | That's not a matter of religous doctrine. |
| 23:26.41 | Sargun | sorry. |
| 23:26.51 | bonez39 | I tell my boys.....10, 8 and 6...no girls until they return from their missions.....hehehhe |
| 23:27.00 | bonez39 | but I can see already that won't last too long |
| 23:27.32 | Sargun | heh |
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| 23:30.59 | albino_ | Tene: Are you saying that talks given at religious events by members of the chorum of the twelve aren't doctrine? |
| 23:38.48 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: sllug does meet at the u of u |
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| 23:39.35 | Sargun | This is IRC's #utah, not "the 700 club" |
| 23:39.42 | Sargun | or #religion, or #mormonism |
| 23:39.50 | Sargun | how many peoeple here aren't mormon, anyway? |
| 23:39.56 | Sargun | ibot, me, and chanserv? |
| 23:40.48 | Sargun | maybe #dating-advice-for-Sargun |
| 23:42.03 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 23:42.52 | Cricket | *chirp* |
| 23:42.54 | Cricket | *chirp* |
| 23:42.56 | Cricket | *chirp* |
| 23:42.59 | Sargun | ~lart Cricket |
| 23:43.55 | redbeard1 | mheath[laptop]: were you looking for me? |
| 23:47.12 | Sargun | no. |
| 23:47.52 | redbeard1 | well, okay then |
| 23:47.57 | redbeard1 | i guess i'm outta here for the day |
| 23:47.59 | redbeard1 | ciao |
