| 00:00.24 | maquis | it's a lot of work, but if you can get it to work, it's quite good (i made some indian earlier this year and it actually turned out pretty well) |
| 00:00.37 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: I guess what I'm saying is, I'm going for a 'fine dining' atmosphere. |
| 00:00.47 | mheath[laptop] | A lot of regional foods are quite tasty |
| 00:00.53 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: you don't have to do french to get "fine dining" |
| 00:01.13 | mheath[laptop] | Turkish is actually my favorite regional food. |
| 00:01.30 | maquis | if you look at redbeard1's blog, you can find a lot of things that would be nice to do |
| 00:01.40 | mheath[laptop] | I have a recipe for stuffed peppers....spiced way differently than any other stuffed pepper you've likely had....amazing... |
| 00:01.44 | mheath[laptop] | ~redbeard1 |
| 00:01.45 | ibot | hmm... redbeard1 is just about the coolest guy in the world |
| 00:01.47 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: my favorite is persian... probably somewhat similar to turkish |
| 00:01.57 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: blog.josephhall.com |
| 00:02.27 | mheath[laptop] | I want to create a computer copy of all of our cooking books....we have so many. |
| 00:05.05 | mheath[laptop] | I don't know if there are any good recipe storage programs, though. |
| 00:05.31 | Sargun | mysql? |
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| 00:05.53 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: i've heard neelix is good, but i haven't gotten it to play with fbsd yet, and i haven't gotten around to reformatting |
| 00:06.11 | maquis | (elg is the maintainer of neelix, i believe) |
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| 00:07.20 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: ahh...indeed it is |
| 00:07.23 | mheath[laptop] | *indeed he is |
| 00:07.36 | mheath[laptop] | Some of the screenshots show "Hans Fugal" as the recipe author :) |
| 00:07.44 | maquis | yeah |
| 00:07.59 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1, ping |
| 00:12.26 | mheath[laptop] | :) |
| 00:12.29 | mheath[laptop] | :( rather |
| 00:12.53 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: I'm actually looking for an excuse to do something lamb-based |
| 00:13.02 | mheath[laptop] | (please pardon me the killing-small-animals guild trip) |
| 00:13.40 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: hey... i had rabbit for dinner about a week ago... it was good :) |
| 00:14.02 | mheath[laptop] | I only had lamb once in my life, when I was on a cruise. |
| 00:14.07 | mheath[laptop] | With mint jelly! |
| 00:14.18 | Sargun | nice. |
| 00:14.29 | mheath[laptop] | I like redbeard1's blog. I've been trying to get into cooking more interesting things... |
| 00:14.47 | maquis | i've had lamb a few times in persian food... it was tasty |
| 00:14.48 | mheath[laptop] | I've always enjoying cooking, and lately I keep wanting to try out a lot of recipes. |
| 00:15.09 | mheath[laptop] | A lot of the turkish recipes we have call for lamb. |
| 00:15.19 | mheath[laptop] | my dad spent some time living in turky, we have a few turkish cook books. |
| 00:15.43 | mheath[laptop] | Difficult to follow, because everything is metric and uses a weight mesurement for a lot of things....we don't have a kitchen scale. |
| 00:16.00 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: Oh, that reminds me. You weren't around when I got back, were you? |
| 00:16.37 | mheath[laptop] | Just so you know, I got discharged from the USMC because of a knee injury and some resulting complications that showed up when I was in basic training. |
| 00:16.40 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: no, i wasn't |
| 00:16.53 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: i'm sorry... i know you were looking forward to that |
| 00:17.02 | maquis | how was basic? did you have to go home early? |
| 00:17.25 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: yeah. Didn't make it all the way through, because I hurt my knee. |
| 00:18.05 | mheath[laptop] | The scariest thing is, according to some doctors here, I might have a bad genetic condition that effects connective tissues (like that of the knee).....a condition that can potentially be life threatening, apparently. |
| 00:18.24 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: ick... i'm sorry |
| 00:18.24 | mheath[laptop] | I have a series of appointments with a geneticist up at the UoU to figure some things out. |
| 00:18.34 | maquis | at least you found it out now, rather than a number of years down the road |
| 00:18.47 | maquis | they can probably do something about it if they find it early enough, i'm guessing |
| 00:19.07 | maquis-fiance | I'm not sure how you feel about it, but it may be better that you're out if that is the case. It would stink to be in combat and have connective tissue issues |
| 00:19.17 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: Yeah. If I adjust my lifestyle a bit, my expected lifespan is pretty normal. |
| 00:19.24 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: cool |
| 00:19.58 | mheath[laptop] | maquis-fiance, heh, the big issue is that the connective tissues that are effective include tissues in the aorta. Its not an issue of twisting my knee in combat, its an issue of suddenly having a critical heart problem and dieing. |
| 00:20.51 | mheath[laptop] | maquis-fiance, but I'm now barred from all kinds of military service; I couldn't even get a desk job in the Air Force if I wanted to (like I wanted to) |
| 00:21.12 | mheath[laptop] | I was thinking about pursuing a career with the naval reserve, but my orthopedic doctor pretty much ruled that out. |
| 00:21.44 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: hmmm... that's too bad that you're getting barred from what you wanted to do... |
| 00:21.57 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: Basic was intense, and then I spend a lot of time in the Medical Rehabilitation Platoon, and then the Recruit Seperations Platoon going through a masive bureacratic process to get an entry level seperation. |
| 00:22.02 | mheath[laptop] | *spent |
| 00:22.17 | maquis | ah |
| 00:22.26 | maquis | interesting... bureaucracy is annoying |
| 00:22.54 | maquis | Error (404 Not Found) |
| 00:22.54 | maquis | The content you were looking for could not be found. Perhaps it doesn't want to be found, perhaps we have removed it, or perhaps the site is currently undergoing maintenance. There's a lot of uncertainty in the world, and the potential causes for this 404 are similarly indeterminate. In fact, there's also the chance that you just typed in a nonsense URL for kicks, or are the luckiest of an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of computers. |
| 00:23.00 | maquis | Life is about coping and compromise, however, so perhaps one of the below alternatives will serve as an adequate replacement for what you hoped this URL would deliver. |
| 00:23.09 | maquis-fiance | I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way. The military is a great opportunity and it's unfortunate that they disqualified you for medical reasons. |
| 00:23.09 | mheath[laptop] | maquis: Yeah. The 'getting sent home' process took almost 2 weeks, when it could have taken a day. |
| 00:23.10 | maquis | that just seems somewhat entertaining on some level |
| 00:23.23 | maquis | maquis-fiance: lol... |
| 00:23.34 | mheath[laptop] | maquis-fiance, You're in the army, aren't you? |
| 00:23.57 | maquis-fiance | I've been in the army reserve for several years. |
| 00:24.59 | mheath[laptop] | Heh. Don't take this the wrong way, but you experience with the Army doesn't begin to let you know the attatchment I already started to develop to the Marine Corps, nor how much mental anguish I went through being sent home....nor how much it killed me to have my doctor tell me I'd be endangering others if I was to be in the military. |
| 00:26.57 | mheath[laptop] | I was going to be a United States Marine Corps Rifleman. The most elite fighting force in the world. I was part of Platoon 1034, Delta Company, Recruit Training Regiment, Marine Corps Recruit Depot, San Diego CA. (Senior Drill Instructor Staff Sargeant Nemeis, Drill Instructors Staff Sargeant Anderson, Staff Sargeant Leek, and Staff Sargeant Leonardson) |
| 00:27.07 | Sargun | Isn't it sorta a soldier's job to endanger the life of others? |
| 00:29.17 | mheath[laptop] | This recruits rifle serial number was 6570990.... |
| 00:29.37 | mheath[laptop] | redbeard1, privmsg if you ever return. I'd like to pick your brain a bit :) |
| 00:29.41 | maquis | Sargun: i think they meant that he would endanger the wrong others |
| 00:29.54 | Sargun | yeah |
| 00:30.04 | maquis | you do make a good point, though :) |
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| 00:31.17 | maquis-fiance | I can see where you are coming from. There is an enormous sense of accomplishment that comes from completing training. Especially among the marines--they do have the hardest entry training. But, there is a reason for everything. You may not understand why now, but with time, you'll see. Did you know of your medical condition previous to this? |
| 00:31.33 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, imagine experiencing a world where your taught that everything you do directly effects everyone else. Their livelihood, their lives depends on you doing things right. Your taught this day in and day out for weeks. |
| 00:31.49 | Sargun | ok. |
| 00:32.16 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, then imagine being told that your unconditionally unsafe for your fellow Marines to be around. That you simply working with them endangers their lives, their livelihood. |
| 00:32.24 | mheath[laptop] | It is NOT a good feeling. |
| 00:34.29 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: i can imagine that it'd be hard... |
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| 00:36.21 | maquis-fiance | mheath[laptop], don't take it so personally. They were not saying that you were unsafe because of what you did or didn't do. You were training to standard and becoming a fine Marine. It's not your fault. |
| 00:38.58 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: maquis-fiance is right... it stinks, but at least they weren't telling you that because of something you could control... |
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| 00:47.07 | mheath | Hmmm. For whatever reason, steam/Half-Life on my laptop causes X-Chat to crash. |
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| 01:02.22 | levi_home | Man, I love the Wiggles. |
| 01:04.54 | Tene | Small magical worms that bore holes through things? |
| 01:05.14 | levi_home | No, a kids entertainment group. They have videos and stuff. |
| 01:05.17 | levi_home | http://b.armory.com/~relsqui/yourmom.html |
| 01:05.23 | Tene | Oh, okay. |
| 01:05.31 | levi_home | ^^^-- Not what you'd expect from the URL. |
| 01:06.17 | levi_home | Their songs are all really simple, but they sing well and they've got an awesome band. |
| 01:06.40 | levi_home | They've got horns, electric guitar, Hammond organ, etc. |
| 01:08.16 | mheath | I've got enough problems without my family being so messed up. |
| 01:08.50 | Sargun | levi_home, thats freaking awesome. |
| 01:10.02 | Sargun | ~15.75+24/365 |
| 01:10.04 | ibot | 15.815753424658 |
| 01:10.09 | Sargun | ~15.75+21/365 |
| 01:10.10 | ibot | 15.807534246575 |
| 01:19.32 | emcnabb | levi_home: in a few months I'll start to know all of the kid shows too. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing |
| 01:19.51 | emcnabb | only rule in our home is no Barney |
| 01:20.09 | emcnabb | my little autistic brother watched the same tapes over and over |
| 01:20.25 | emcnabb | I have several episodes engraved in my mind |
| 01:21.42 | levi_home | The Wiggles are better than Barney. |
| 01:22.31 | emcnabb | how old is your daughter now? |
| 01:30.05 | Sargun | emcnabb, you have a kid? |
| 01:32.20 | beandog | you can always watch mister rogers neighborhood |
| 01:32.27 | beandog | its on at about 4:30 in the morning |
| 01:33.23 | emcnabb | Sargun: I will in February |
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| 01:37.28 | mheath | Where is redbeard1? :( |
| 01:38.11 | Sargun | awesome. |
| 01:38.16 | emcnabb | probably with his family |
| 01:43.42 | levi_home | emcnabb: She's only 5 months old, but she still loves the Wiggles. |
| 01:45.34 | emcnabb | levi_home: how has parenthood been so far? |
| 01:46.30 | levi_home | emcnabb: It's pretty time-consuming, often frustrating, but still very rewarding. |
| 01:46.41 | emcnabb | I bet |
| 01:47.02 | emcnabb | I'm not sure how everything is going to work out timewise |
| 01:47.07 | emcnabb | the first thing to go will be IRC :-) |
| 01:48.28 | goozbach | [/sb end |
| 01:48.41 | levi_home | It doesn't help that I'm taking classes. |
| 01:49.09 | maquis | emcnabb: :( |
| 01:54.06 | Newsome | hi |
| 01:54.15 | Newsome | anyone awake? |
| 01:54.33 | goozbach | define awake |
| 01:54.51 | Newsome | hmm, good point |
| 01:55.34 | goozbach | i'm tetering on the edge of a sugar induced coma |
| 01:56.02 | maquis | Newsome: hi |
| 01:56.07 | maquis | how's it going? |
| 01:56.13 | Newsome | not bad |
| 01:56.35 | goozbach | i havent done this much cramming since, um... never |
| 01:57.06 | goozbach | got a big presentation to do weds. |
| 01:57.42 | goozbach | 1:45 worth of talking/and I've got to do a good handout as well |
| 01:58.29 | Newsome | ugh |
| 01:58.38 | goozbach | but luckily that's the only work I have to do next week |
| 01:58.50 | maquis | goozbach: what's it on? |
| 01:59.03 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/90530.aspx <-- too funny!!!!! |
| 01:59.11 | goozbach | other than that it's all expenses paid in Orlando |
| 01:59.48 | goozbach | maquis: linux killer applications. |
| 02:00.35 | Newsome | I ordered a laptop, and it got within 15 miles of my house...then the weekend came, and it's been sitting there the whole weekend :( |
| 02:00.38 | goozbach | pretty much a "this is where the DOH is using or plaining to use linux right now" |
| 02:00.42 | maquis | goozbach: apps that make linux killer-cool, or apps that kill linux? |
| 02:01.01 | maquis | Newsome: ouch |
| 02:01.02 | maquis | that sucks |
| 02:02.27 | goozbach | to top it all off i sent my laptop off to get fixed thisweekend |
| 02:02.47 | goozbach | i'm tired |
| 02:03.37 | maquis | goozbach: :( |
| 02:03.42 | maquis | what's wrong with your laptop? |
| 02:03.57 | goozbach | screen broke |
| 02:04.08 | mheath | My laptop screen is getting loose |
| 02:04.11 | mheath | =\ |
| 02:04.16 | mheath | That is, the hinge is getting loose |
| 02:04.37 | goozbach | i am however having fun building two new neverblock host systems |
| 02:04.57 | goozbach | mheath: duck tape |
| 02:05.53 | mheath | well, its not bad yet...just, when the laptop was new, the hinge was very stiff....now you can move it maybe 2-3 degrees before you encounter any stiffness. |
| 02:06.23 | goozbach | tighten it |
| 02:06.39 | goozbach | or add duck tape |
| 02:09.11 | mheath | I want some peoples opinons.... |
| 02:09.24 | mheath | I'm considering living in Weber on-campus housing |
| 02:09.40 | mheath | $4,014 for an academic year |
| 02:10.18 | mheath | what are peoples experiences with on-campus housing? My dad keeps trying to talk me out of it, saying I can stay with him, but I also have a desire to get relatively independent. |
| 02:12.46 | elg | maquis? who let you back in here? |
| 02:12.50 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 02:12.57 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.00 | nick125_lappy | errr |
| 02:13.00 | maquis-fiance | -lart elg |
| 02:13.04 | mheath | WSUs estimated cost chart put it at $3865 per semester if you live on campus, 2065 if not. |
| 02:20.03 | elg | maquis-fiance: type this: /nick starfleet |
| 02:20.40 | mheath | What really makes me mad is I was literally in the military for 2 days short of qualifying for GI bill benefits =P |
| 02:21.23 | maquis | mheath: at byu, on-campus housing wasn't bad... i had better experiences there than off-campus |
| 02:21.36 | maquis | elg: lol |
| 02:21.45 | maquis | ~lart elg |
| 02:22.20 | mheath | WSU has netoriously bad parking too |
| 02:22.26 | mheath | Most people have to park several miles away and take a shuttle |
| 02:22.37 | mheath | whereas, with on campus housing I'd be right there... |
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| 02:25.42 | elg | maquis: but that's BYU |
| 02:25.54 | elg | off-campus economics are artificially terrible at BYU |
| 02:26.07 | maquis | elg: it wasn't the economics that were worse off-campus, actually |
| 02:26.20 | elg | the problems were a result of the economics |
| 02:26.45 | elg | or perhaps they were the result of the same thing that caused the economic problems. however you want to look at it, the control over housing is what causes the problems |
| 02:26.51 | elg | approved housing |
| 02:30.06 | maquis | elg: perhaps |
| 02:30.17 | maquis | but i had an amazing time for the 3 years that i lived on-campus |
| 02:30.42 | elg | i just avoided the problem altogether and lived with family until I got married :) |
| 02:30.51 | maquis | ah |
| 02:30.54 | elg | aside from some wacky things I liked wyview |
| 02:31.15 | mheath | I don't know...I kind of want the "real" college experience, anyway. |
| 02:31.32 | mheath | Living on campus. |
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| 03:49.43 | levi_home | mheath: I enjoyed living on campus, but I probably would have done better in school if I'd been able to live at home. |
| 03:50.10 | levi_home | And it certainly is a whole lot cheaper to live at home. |
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| 03:51.23 | mheath | yeah =\ |
| 03:51.44 | mheath | Gah, FAFSA isn't going to get me a thing, probably |
| 03:51.52 | mheath | I'll end up having to take out student loans :( |
| 03:52.35 | levi_home | That, or work enough to pay for it. |
| 03:52.48 | levi_home | You can try applying for random scholarships, too. |
| 03:53.59 | mheath | FAFSA would give me money, except when it comes to the "What is the current value of your parents investments, including real estate investments?" question |
| 03:54.08 | levi_home | Right. |
| 03:55.24 | mheath | Its stupid really. Its like the US government is saying "Well, I'll give money to everyone else...But you! You have to sell the land thats purely agricultural and been in your family for 5 generations to pay for college" |
| 03:56.40 | mheath | All because rich people started moving in to that area and jacking up the property value :( |
| 03:57.14 | mheath | There was a debate over whether to extend the power grid into that area. All these rich people don't want it - they want these exotic vacation homes off in the woods. |
| 03:57.43 | levi_home | Cry me a river. |
| 03:57.45 | mheath | It cracked me up when someone wrote to the local newspaper and said "As a longterm 10 year resident of Hasting's Mesa....." |
| 03:58.52 | mheath | levi_home, Meh, it really has created a big problem financially for our family |
| 03:59.12 | mheath | My dad had to take out a 1,000,000 life insurance policy to cover inheritance taxes |
| 03:59.51 | mheath | And it really is just because people like the freakin owner of CNN decided that right down the road from our little cattle ranch would be the perfect place to buy a 35 acre plot |
| 04:03.05 | levi_home | I feel so sorry for your predicament, really. If I was in that situation, I'd sell the stupid land to some rich person and be happy about it. |
| 04:04.53 | levi_home | I realize there's some sentimental value to it, but sentimentality will only get you so far. |
| 04:05.53 | levi_home | And you could always buy some more-or-less equivalent land in some less-expensive location, if there was actual utility to it. |
| 04:05.55 | mheath | levi_home, First of all, the land is jointly owned between my dad, his sister, his uncle, and several cousins. His sister is crazy (quite literally, she deserves to be in a mental instution) and refuses to officially devide the land amongst them, meaning that selling it is impossible. |
| 04:06.53 | mheath | Second of all, the land has been in my family for generations. It is the last large parsel of land in an area full of 35 acre subdivisions and rich people. We have no interest in selling it. |
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| 04:08.07 | levi_home | What, pray tell, is the point in owning a large parsel of land? Is there something besides sentimentality? |
| 04:08.25 | findlay | levi_home: money money money!!211@ |
| 04:08.40 | levi_home | findlay: There's no money if you don't sell it. |
| 04:08.41 | findlay | real estate inventment |
| 04:08.53 | findlay | that's all I know |
| 04:09.01 | mheath | levi_home, yes, sentimentality! But its not personal sentimentality, its the sentimentality of not wanting to see that land become yet another set of subdivisions! |
| 04:09.24 | findlay | ~subdivide mheath's sentimentality property |
| 04:11.44 | levi_home | mheath: That's totally personal sentimentality. |
| 04:13.09 | levi_home | Which is fine, but complaining about the huge appreciation in value of property that can't be realized due to sentimentality will not win you any friends. |
| 04:14.20 | findlay | levi_home: who's complaining about property value appreciation to non-won friends? |
| 04:15.39 | maquis | mheath: honestly, if it's worth a ton right now, then your family would be quite well off to sell it, since, if they do put that power grid in, the value could drop significantly |
| 04:16.16 | mheath | maquis: the value won't drop. The proposed powergrid is underground lines. You won't even notice it |
| 04:16.50 | mheath | All the rich people are complaining about "light polution", but houses are only authorized 35 acre plots at the smallest, and most cabins are lit with solar power and batteries anyway. |
| 04:17.52 | mheath | maquis: Besides, like I said, its not possible to sell the land, because of my Aunt. |
| 04:18.23 | maquis | *shrug* |
| 04:18.33 | maquis | big day tomorrow |
| 04:19.27 | levi_home | Is it the arrangement between your father's siblings that requires him to cover inheritance tax, or is it because he doesn't want the government getting any of his share of the land? |
| 04:19.34 | levi_home | maquis: What's big about it? |
| 04:20.26 | maquis | levi_home: first day of work |
| 04:20.33 | mheath | levi_home, because he doesn't want the government taking the land. Mainly because, since the land is jointly owned, the government would be taking a portion of it from everyone. |
| 04:20.35 | levi_home | Ahh, cool. Have fun! |
| 04:20.54 | maquis | levi_home: if your grandfather's will says that it should be split, your dad could make it be split |
| 04:21.11 | maquis | levi_home: thx |
| 04:21.15 | maquis | uh |
| 04:21.22 | maquis | annd that last message was for mheath |
| 04:21.24 | mheath | Yeah, I understand that was meant for me :) |
| 04:21.37 | maquis | i really shouldn't type a message to one person while reading something from another |
| 04:21.39 | mheath | maquis: Granfathers will said nothing of the sort :) |
| 04:21.52 | mheath | It would take unanimous consent for it to be split. |
| 04:22.25 | levi_home | Well, if the others refuse to give consent for it to be split, then why should he spend his own money on an expensive insurance policy just to protect them? |
| 04:23.02 | levi_home | Have all the others taken out similar policies? |
| 04:23.28 | maquis | gnight all |
| 04:23.32 | levi_home | maquis: G'night |
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| 04:47.32 | mheath | Heh, I need to watch full metal jacket again. |
| 04:47.41 | mheath | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Lee_Ermey_Full_Metal_Jacket.jpg seems all too familiar now. |
| 04:48.11 | mheath | Though Emery is way nicer than a real Drill Instructor is (doesn't get in their face as much), and you're usually dealing with more than one Drill Instructor. |
| 04:50.59 | mheath | Standing there with out hands out like that is part of "Basic Daily Routine", specifically the hygiene inspection part. |
| 04:57.38 | mheath | Time for sleep, I think |
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| 05:06.38 | Tene | itsafozz |
| 05:07.23 | Tene | So, new nvidia drivers are out that support GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap |
| 05:07.38 | Tene | meaning you can run accellerated compiz, etc. |
| 05:09.14 | Tene | if the window management in Gnome and such wasn't uncomfortable compared to what I'm used to in e, I might use this regularly. It's pretty nice. |
| 05:09.39 | fozzmoo | Hi! |
| 05:09.45 | Tene | Hi! |
| 05:10.05 | fozzmoo | I've grown to hate Gnome. |
| 05:10.09 | atoponce | interesting: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html |
| 05:10.10 | fozzmoo | But you know that. |
| 05:10.15 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 05:10.31 | fozzmoo | You know what I hate the most about Gnome? |
| 05:10.38 | Tene | All the non-e stuff seems the same to me. |
| 05:10.45 | Tene | I'm not sure that I do. |
| 05:11.04 | fozzmoo | The thing I hate the MOST is the stupid, idiotic, completely useless file-selection dialog. |
| 05:11.15 | Tene | Heh. |
| 05:11.20 | Tene | Agreed. |
| 05:11.30 | fozzmoo | KDE's got that right. |
| 05:12.00 | Tene | I think that's the most annoying bit of code in the linux desktop that I ever have to interact with. |
| 05:12.19 | fozzmoo | That's cool about the NVidia stuff. Just in time for FC6 too. :) |
| 05:12.33 | Tene | I don't really remember the KDE file selector. I like the e one, though. |
| 05:13.18 | Tene | I had a bit of a problem getting the effects to work in Gnome without evil. I had to recompile the compiz rpm, and then I had to hack around in gconf to get it to actually load the window decoration plugin. |
| 05:13.44 | fozzmoo | Was that with FC6t3? |
| 05:14.03 | Tene | t2 that's been mostly regularly updated |
| 05:14.10 | fozzmoo | Cool. |
| 05:14.27 | Tene | I think I really dislike gconf-editor |
| 05:14.49 | fozzmoo | vim is all you should need. :) |
| 05:15.20 | fozzmoo | What were you griping about this weekend? something about how you couldn't understand how anyone gets anything done without vim? What was that about? |
| 05:15.59 | Tene | Oh, I was just turning a hand-typed list into html so that it would display easily on my treo |
| 05:16.34 | Tene | It was a bunch of nested "1. foo 2. bar 3. four options: 1. a 2. b" |
| 05:17.10 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
| 05:19.48 | fozzmoo | Tene: You ever listen to Leo Laporte's podcast? |
| 05:20.10 | Tene | Nope. Who is he? |
| 05:20.23 | fozzmoo | Guy who used to cohost "The Screen Savers" on TechTV |
| 05:20.32 | Tene | I don't know what that is. |
| 05:20.46 | fozzmoo | Oh really? |
| 05:21.03 | fozzmoo | It was a show on TV where they helped people solve their computer problems. |
| 05:21.20 | fozzmoo | Mostly Windows-centric, but sometimes they'd really surprise you. |
| 05:22.00 | fozzmoo | TechTV got flushed. It's called G4 now. They run Star Trek re-runs and computer gaming shows now. |
| 05:22.18 | fozzmoo | But anyway... Leo's got this show on some radio station in southern California... |
| 05:22.27 | fozzmoo | and he podcasts too. Takes calls from people via Skype. |
| 05:22.49 | fozzmoo | I listened to about half of yesterday's episode last night... Good stuff. |
| 05:23.11 | fozzmoo | Not much I didn't already know, but he did talk a lot about the latest and greatest Outlook/IE exploit. |
| 05:23.19 | fozzmoo | Recommended Firefox and Thunderbird, wholeheartedly. |
| 05:23.36 | fozzmoo | Nice to hear that kind of wisdom being sent out to the masses. |
| 05:23.58 | fozzmoo | http://www.twit.tv/ |
| 05:24.06 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 05:25.27 | Tene | Another extremely awkward thing in Gnome is the taskbar. |
| 05:25.43 | Tene | The sizes of the buttons representing the windows change when the window title changes. |
| 05:26.13 | levi_home | Why is that extremely awkward? |
| 05:26.16 | Tene | Meaning that if, for example, some window is changing its title repeatedly as some strange apps do, the taskbar items jump all over the place. |
| 05:26.39 | Tene | even minimizing an app sometimes changes the size of everything, for some unknown reason |
| 05:26.55 | fozzmoo | Yeah. that's dumb. |
| 05:27.13 | fozzmoo | There's probably some gconf option to make the taskbar buttons a fixed size or something... |
| 05:27.41 | fozzmoo | But it's likely nowhere in any kind of preferences/control panel facility. |
| 05:27.48 | Tene | also, I wish I could get the mouse cursor to move to whatever window I've selected via alt+tab, but I seriously doubt metacity can do anything like that at all. |
| 05:27.49 | fozzmoo | Another thing I hate about Gnome. |
| 05:28.00 | levi_home | Actually, I think that one may be. |
| 05:28.08 | Tene | Hmm. Looks like it is. |
| 05:28.20 | Tene | Minimum size: 50 pixels. Maximum size: 4096 pixels. |
| 05:28.31 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 05:28.39 | fozzmoo | That's helpful, right? |
| 05:28.45 | levi_home | Personally, I like having them change size. |
| 05:29.08 | fozzmoo | brb |
| 05:29.09 | levi_home | I don't have many stupid programs that change their window titles a lot, I guess. |
| 05:29.42 | Tene | the bit that bugs me the most is when they all jump up to large size to fill the full area of the taskbar |
| 05:29.50 | Tene | it seems to happen when I get a certain number open |
| 05:30.10 | Tene | also... uh... how did evolution suddenly move to this desktop? o.O |
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| 05:33.38 | Tene | argh, looks like that setting was the size for the whole taskbar. |
| 05:33.56 | Tene | m'eh |
| 05:36.04 | Tene | argh! I set alt+F# to switch to desktop #, but it's also sometimes triggering "close window" on alt+F4 |
| 05:36.29 | fozzmoo | So... is there a reason you HAVE to use Gnome? |
| 05:37.08 | fozzmoo | Can't this newfangled technology work with any desktop environment? |
| 05:37.23 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 05:38.07 | Tene | This specific implementation apparently plays nice with Gnome, and can play nice with KDE, but the KDE bits weren't compiled by default with this srpm. |
| 05:40.34 | Tene | To do anything interesting or useful, it needs to be part of or integrate with the window manager. |
| 05:46.29 | Tene | So, I can hear my hard drive make noises when accessing data. Is this a sign of something bad? |
| 05:46.57 | fozzmoo | Some drives are noisier than others... |
| 05:47.06 | Tene | 'kay |
| 05:47.35 | fozzmoo | But if it's a dramatic change in noise levels, that would be cause for concern. |
| 05:47.50 | Tene | No change, it's always been this noisy. |
| 05:47.59 | fozzmoo | I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 05:56.16 | fozzmoo | This looks cool: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/18/1349218 |
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| 06:32.45 | fozzmoo | Tene: You still here? |
| 06:33.07 | Tene | yeah |
| 06:33.09 | Tene | are you? |
| 06:33.17 | fozzmoo | Just reading the State Of The Onion 10... |
| 06:33.21 | fozzmoo | Larry's a fun guy. |
| 06:33.26 | fozzmoo | "A couple of years ago, Tim O'Reilly asked me what great problem Perl 6 was being designed to solve. This question always just sat in my brain sideways because, apart from Perl 0, I have never thought of Perl as the solution to any one particular problem. If there's a particular problem that Perl is trying to solve, it's the basic fact that all programming languages suck. Sort of the concept of original sin, applied to programming languages." |
| 06:33.26 | Tene | Quite. |
| 06:37.07 | Tene | He's very clever. I liked that talk. |
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| 10:25.29 | Tene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCVZozHTG8 |
| 10:25.31 | Tene | BEST VIDEO EVER |
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| 13:16.21 | redbeard1 | why was mheath looking for me last night? |
| 13:16.38 | graphyx | he was hungry? |
| 13:17.18 | redbeard1 | he lives a little far away for me to help him much with that |
| 13:18.29 | graphyx | I was just guessing. |
| 13:26.02 | emcnabb | redbeard1: he was probably looking for someone else to complain to |
| 13:26.51 | redbeard1 | that does seem more likely |
| 13:27.17 | redbeard1 | he wouldn't need my help cooking anyway. he's a master chef, you know. |
| 13:32.45 | levi | Yeah, all that Applebees experience has made him a master chef and restaraunteur. |
| 13:33.11 | redbeard1 | exactly |
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| 13:33.35 | levi | The spelling there looks horribly mangled. It's too early for me to spell big words. |
| 13:34.51 | redbeard1 | it's french. i think it just looks wrong on principle. |
| 14:02.05 | redbeard1 | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/09/arcade_pinball_and_video_game.html |
| 14:02.19 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, you can't shoot the dog |
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| 14:32.30 | tensai | redbeard1: I think he tab-completed you on accident |
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| 14:34.28 | tensai | redbeard1: made a cheesecake yesterday. I folded in white chocolate chips. It was oh so rich, but a little greasy. probably would have been better had I let it cool completely. |
| 14:34.45 | levi | Mmm, cheesecake. |
| 14:35.04 | Cleetus | mmm....grease....*homer drool* |
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| 14:43.47 | redbeard1 | tensai: dude, you're supposed to let the cheesecake cool for 6 hours or more |
| 14:44.13 | Sargun | lol |
| 14:44.50 | redbeard1 | idahoans are funny like that |
| 14:45.04 | Cleetus | #681183 +(724)- [X] |
| 14:45.04 | Cleetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.04 | Cleetus | Ron34: Why havent you been in school? |
| 14:45.04 | Cleetus | Joe: because its summer vacation? |
| 14:45.04 | Cleetus | Ron34: its sept 13 |
| 14:45.04 | Cleetus | Ron34: school started the 5th |
| 14:45.05 | tensai | redbeard1: yeah, I know. but how could I resist? It was so yummy looking. |
| 14:45.06 | Cleetus | Joe: WTF |
| 14:45.08 | Cleetus | Joe: ITS SEPTEMBER? |
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| 14:45.28 | redbeard1 | heh. gamers are funny too. |
| 14:46.10 | tensai | redbeard1: I gave it a good half hour. doesn't that count for something? |
| 14:46.34 | redbeard1 | tensai: heh. you have great patience already grasshopper, but you need more. |
| 14:47.08 | phinux | I think tensai has hit on the inherent problem with cooking. After slaving all that time around yummy ingredients with yummier results, who wants to wait? |
| 14:47.12 | redbeard1 | mmm... grasshopper cheesecake. that would be good. |
| 14:47.27 | redbeard1 | phinux: this is true. |
| 14:47.43 | redbeard1 | good food takes time. and then you have to wait more? seems so unfair. |
| 14:48.00 | phinux | After all, how many people listen to that last instruction about five minute cooling time? Who wants to wait five more minutes? |
| 14:48.58 | redbeard1 | on many things, i tend to wait only until i won't get burned by touching then pan, and even that ends up being more of a guideline than anything. |
| 14:49.22 | phinux | That's what potholders are for. |
| 14:49.45 | redbeard1 | phinux: dude, when was the last time you tried to pick up a cookie with a potholder? |
| 14:50.08 | phinux | Cookie != pan |
| 14:50.44 | redbeard1 | well, the cookie is right on the pan, so it's hard to pick it up without touching the pan |
| 14:50.51 | redbeard1 | that's what i was trying to get at |
| 14:51.15 | phinux | For a cook, you're surprisingly ignorant on common utensils. Like a spatula. |
| 14:51.36 | redbeard1 | that takes too much time! need cookie now! |
| 14:51.59 | phinux | I never said I took it off the spatula before shoving the thing in my mouth. |
| 14:52.11 | redbeard1 | ouch. that tends to be a problem too. |
| 14:52.24 | phinux | Big mouth. |
| 14:52.37 | redbeard1 | would have to be after that, if not before |
| 14:53.41 | redbeard1 | you know, come to think of it, i'm not sure i ever used a spatula when i worked at a bakery. not even for cookies. |
| 14:54.07 | Cleetus | 1c sugar, 1c peanut butter, 1 egg, 1tsp vanilla <-- richest peanut butter cookies in the world |
| 14:54.13 | elg | you used a peel to get the cookies out? |
| 14:54.24 | redbeard1 | Cleetus: no flour? |
| 14:54.39 | Cleetus | nope |
| 14:54.42 | Cleetus | seriously |
| 14:54.45 | Cleetus | 4 ingredients |
| 14:55.02 | redbeard1 | elg: we used side towels as potholders, and the cookies are always on parchment. we would just slide the parchment onto the marble counter to cool. |
| 14:55.03 | phinux | Do you even have to put those in the oven? |
| 14:55.19 | Cleetus | depends on if you like raw eggs :-D |
| 14:55.27 | phinux | yes. |
| 14:55.30 | redbeard1 | i like raw eggs. |
| 14:55.38 | redbeard1 | especially in cheesecake batter. |
| 14:55.42 | redbeard1 | so tasty! |
| 14:55.49 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 14:55.50 | Cleetus | then I guess you wouldn't have to put it into the oven |
| 14:56.05 | redbeard1 | i don't like peanut butter cookies tho. |
| 14:56.11 | elg | so my fellowship is gonna get me a laptop |
| 14:56.15 | redbeard1 | i guess i'm defective like that. |
| 14:56.19 | elg | I guess the mac fairy is bringing me a macbook after all |
| 14:56.28 | redbeard1 | heh. mac fairy. |
| 14:56.37 | elg | he brought me posters the other day |
| 14:56.55 | elg | i did find out how they got here. my roommate was in and some guy was waltzing the halls giving out mac posters |
| 14:56.59 | elg | so he got me a couple |
| 14:57.30 | redbeard1 | i'm not sure i would want to hang out around a fairy that goes by "he" instead of "she" |
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| 14:58.59 | redbeard1 | ~lart Keighvin |
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| 15:03.11 | Keighvin | Ah, thanks redbeard1. How'd you know what's exactly what I needed this morning? |
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| 15:12.02 | levi | elg: I'm jealous. I want a free laptop. |
| 15:12.14 | levi | Especially if it's a macbook. |
| 15:12.17 | elg | grad school. what can I say? :-) |
| 15:12.54 | levi | I certainly would like to do that, but we'll see if I can make it work. |
| 15:13.03 | elg | well I should say PhD, masters students are less likely in general to get the perks |
| 15:13.14 | levi | Yeah. |
| 15:13.16 | elg | although there's probably schools where masters students get plenty of perks too |
| 15:13.28 | levi | But it would make sense for me to do a PhD anyway, really. |
| 15:13.45 | elg | but the schools themselves are probably more expensive to attend, or really hard to get into |
| 15:13.46 | levi | Since I would like to teach and do interesting research. |
| 15:13.50 | elg | yeah, that's how I felt |
| 15:13.54 | elg | and feel |
| 15:14.00 | Keighvin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKGxab7zFWw&NR |
| 15:14.18 | Keighvin | levi: That one's just for you. |
| 15:18.00 | levi | Hmm, someone designed a language called Vergil for embedded systems. I'll have to look at that paper. Embedded systems really need something better than C++. That something may be Ada, but I'm not sure. |
| 15:25.39 | levi | Virgil, not Vergil. |
| 15:25.47 | Supaplex | depends on the embeded system. the atmel microcontrollers use asm suited for high level languages |
| 15:26.34 | Sargun | Why is TWiT late? Where is FLOSS weekly? Is the world ending? I need my podcasts! |
| 15:28.30 | levi | Supaplex: What do you mean by 'asm suited for high level languages'? |
| 15:31.09 | Keighvin | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 15:31.20 | Keighvin | Oh good grief, what are the odds? |
| 15:31.24 | redbeard1 | i used to know a guy named hugh |
| 15:31.34 | redbeard1 | worked for the forest service, you know |
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| 15:31.45 | Supaplex | AVR instructions are tuned to decrease the size of the program whether the code is written in C or Assembly. From http://www.atmel.com/products/avr/. They had some better background on it sometime back, you'll have to hunt it down :) |
| 15:32.43 | Supaplex | I'm sure I've fogotten more then I learned about avrs by now. *sigh* |
| 15:33.03 | mheath | Keighvin, convincing :P |
| 15:33.08 | Keighvin | Grazie. :) |
| 15:33.18 | Jayce^ | tensai, RE you're post, my *mom* worked at reeds dairy when she was in high school..... |
| 15:33.24 | mheath | Keighvin, tomlinson? I knew a family by that name here. Children went to school with me. |
| 15:33.36 | Keighvin | Unless of course you were simply being sarcastic.... |
| 15:33.54 | Keighvin | mheath: When & where? |
| 15:34.17 | Sargun | I wish ASM was added to google translate :-P |
| 15:34.20 | mheath | Keighvin, Ogden (more specificially, Washington Terrace). I went to elementary, junior, and high school with a Landon Tomlinson. |
| 15:34.33 | mheath | Keighvin, He's a senior in highschool now. |
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| 15:35.06 | mheath | Hmm, be right back. I think a reboot is in order - Windows didn't seem to come out of standby properlyl. |
| 15:35.31 | Keighvin | Hm... 'fraid there's no relation there. |
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| 15:38.50 | mheath | Keighvin, any relation? |
| 15:39.25 | levi | Hi, maquis-fiance. |
| 15:39.43 | Sargun | hola maquis-fiance |
| 15:39.51 | levi | mheath: He said no while you were gone. |
| 15:40.52 | Sargun | No was said by Keighvin while you were gone mheath |
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| 15:41.57 | Sargun | hm |
| 15:42.39 | Cleetus | I worked with a tomlinson at Verio...any relation? |
| 15:43.07 | elg | I saw a tomlinson on TV...any relation? |
| 15:43.25 | Cleetus | ~lart elg |
| 15:48.43 | Keighvin | Cleetus, elg: No, and no. |
| 15:48.58 | elg | are you related to anyone? sheesh |
| 15:49.10 | elg | what about Jayce^, are you related to him? *shudder* |
| 15:49.12 | Keighvin | Not that they'll admit, i think. |
| 15:49.18 | Keighvin | NO. |
| 15:49.23 | Keighvin | Jayce = HALL. |
| 15:49.31 | Keighvin | Keighvin = TOMLINSON |
| 15:49.51 | Keighvin | But that shouldn't give you any comfort, because that theoretically means our kids can get together and breed. |
| 15:49.54 | elg | you could have changed your name in an attempt to hide |
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| 16:03.20 | Keighvin | Why hide? |
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| 16:07.04 | elg | Keighvin: two words: paint ball |
| 16:09.14 | Sargun | Keighvin, you have kids? |
| 16:09.44 | elg | i guess it really is fiancee |
| 16:09.49 | elg | er, fiance |
| 16:09.54 | levi | Yup. |
| 16:10.03 | levi | maquis is the fiancee. |
| 16:10.03 | elg | he really needs a new nick though. |
| 16:10.07 | elg | right |
| 16:10.12 | elg | stupid french |
| 16:10.41 | levi | The current one has that whole 'brother of Jared' vibe to it, though. |
| 16:11.05 | elg | one of my ancestors was named mahonri moriancumr |
| 16:11.40 | fiance | this one isn't taken |
| 16:11.44 | fiance | he could be _the_ fiance |
| 16:11.47 | Keighvin | Sargun: 3 child processes. |
| 16:12.37 | Sargun | GAK! |
| 16:12.43 | Sargun | teenagers yet? |
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| 16:12.59 | elg | Sargun: wait a minute, he might be your dad |
| 16:12.59 | Keighvin | No, but I'm screwed when it happens - all girls. |
| 16:13.17 | Sargun | elg, lol |
| 16:13.21 | Sargun | Keighvin, haha! |
| 16:13.24 | Sargun | good luck! |
| 16:14.16 | Sargun | btw: Get a very well paying job. |
| 16:14.27 | Sargun | considering a single shirt is about $90 |
| 16:14.32 | harleypig | atoponce: Yeah, I'm running my own bitlbee server now |
| 16:14.57 | elg | everyone hop on harleypig's bitlbee server! |
| 16:15.06 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:15.17 | harleypig | I think I've got it blocked to local host only |
| 16:15.38 | Sargun | harleypig, you have a VPS with linode, right? |
| 16:15.48 | nick125_lappy | Sargun...don't even start it |
| 16:15.54 | Sargun | lol |
| 16:16.03 | Sargun | :-P |
| 16:16.06 | Sargun | It was a joke |
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| 16:17.03 | [phoenyx] | any RoR blog recommendations? typo? mephisto? roll your own? |
| 16:17.07 | harleypig | Sargun: yeah, why? |
| 16:17.08 | elg | typo |
| 16:17.29 | elg | i haven't looked at mephisto, but I think that's what jamis switched to |
| 16:17.51 | Sargun | harleypig, I was kidding, but I co-own a VPS provider |
| 16:18.00 | harleypig | Oh, yeah, I remember now. |
| 16:18.13 | elg | roll your own if you're into it, but it's not what I'd recommend |
| 16:18.30 | harleypig | If I do switch, it'll be to a local hosting company (I prefer supporting local businesses whenever possible) |
| 16:18.38 | Sargun | mhmm |
| 16:19.40 | mheath_ | redbeard1, ping |
| 16:20.13 | [phoenyx] | elg: thanks for the info |
| 16:23.30 | atoponce | harleypig: how did you set it up? i am having a heck of a time, and i can't find any info on it |
| 16:27.11 | harleypig | emerge gentoo |
| 16:27.14 | harleypig | oops |
| 16:27.17 | harleypig | emerge bitlbee |
| 16:27.30 | harleypig | It set everything up on its own ... |
| 16:27.41 | harleypig | although I did have to write the xinet.d file |
| 16:27.51 | atoponce | hmmm. what do you connect to? 127.0.0.1? |
| 16:27.55 | harleypig | yeah |
| 16:27.56 | atoponce | ahh, that may be my problem |
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| 16:28.20 | harleypig | You have to deliberately set it up to accept outside connections |
| 16:28.40 | atoponce | which i will never use. i'll always be connecting from localhost |
| 16:28.50 | atoponce | what did you add to your xinet.d? |
| 16:34.16 | graphyx | anyone know of a good program to do matrix solutions? |
| 16:34.39 | graphyx | I mean matrix [x] * [???] = [y]? |
| 16:35.52 | Sargun | Why does orkut have to be broken! |
| 16:37.34 | elg | blame the brazilians |
| 16:37.48 | elg | you'd probably be right, statistically speaking |
| 16:37.59 | elg | graphyx: octave |
| 16:38.10 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 16:39.47 | levi | The Philadelphia Orchestra has a free download of Beethoven's 5th right now. |
| 16:39.59 | levi | And they offer a FLAC download at a reasonable price. |
| 16:40.02 | levi | No DRM! |
| 16:40.25 | elg | cool |
| 16:40.29 | elg | is it a decent performance? |
| 16:40.46 | levi | I dunno, I haven't finished downloading yet. |
| 16:41.10 | levi | They will apparently be offering a lot of their performances online in FLAC format, though. |
| 16:41.26 | bigdog_ut | that is killer...i wish more did that |
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| 16:41.36 | graphyx | what is FLAC? |
| 16:41.44 | elg | free lossless audio codec |
| 16:41.48 | bigdog_ut | i know metallic started doing that too |
| 16:41.57 | graphyx | how does it compare to ogg and mp3? |
| 16:42.05 | bigdog_ut | it is lossless |
| 16:42.06 | elg | it's like ogg, but lossless |
| 16:42.20 | bigdog_ut | you convert from flac to ogg |
| 16:42.35 | bigdog_ut | burn flac and then use the ogg |
| 16:42.43 | harleypig | graphyx: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Math-Matrix/ |
| 16:44.26 | Sargun | 15.75+22/365 |
| 16:46.41 | levi | Heh, this is a cool idea: http://www.alaskajewelry.com/remember-rings-never-forget-anniversary-p-2040.html |
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| 16:48.46 | levi | http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/product.asp?content_area=6&sub_area=139&product_area=139 |
| 16:48.55 | levi | http://www.bikefurniture.com/ |
| 16:48.58 | bigdog_ut | i heard about it on the radio last week...pretty cool |
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| 16:50.11 | levi | elg: They even have pdfs of the CD labels. |
| 16:50.18 | Keighvin | 1. |
| 16:50.39 | levi | Whoever designed their online store was definitely clued-in. |
| 16:53.27 | elg | nice |
| 16:53.37 | elg | 2. |
| 16:54.17 | levi | Hmm, the labels aren't very nice, they seem to be generic. |
| 16:54.21 | Keighvin | Heh - sorry. 4mo old bumped the keyboard with her heel (wiggly little thing) |
| 16:55.39 | [phoenyx] | so she's already manifesting signs of geek abilities? |
| 16:55.40 | Jayce^ | ~lart Keighvin for being at home today |
| 16:55.50 | [phoenyx] | excellent |
| 16:56.16 | Keighvin | Which is why I refer to them as child processes. |
| 16:56.50 | Keighvin | Jayce^: not my fault, dude, doing the WFH thing to care for ll family members. |
| 16:56.57 | Keighvin | *ill |
| 16:57.19 | elg | oh I thought you said 11 family members |
| 16:58.27 | harleypig | Keighvin: Just be careful ... I had a child hit <Esc>%d<Enter>:wq<Enter> by accident (in vim) |
| 16:58.45 | nick125_lappy | woah |
| 16:58.57 | harleypig | The file was live and there was no backup. Wheeee! |
| 16:59.17 | nick125_lappy | how the heck.... |
| 16:59.49 | harleypig | He was sitting on my lap and just bangin on the keyboard while a was doing something else |
| 17:00.14 | nick125_lappy | you already teaching that kid how to use vim?!?! |
| 17:00.30 | harleypig | Of course. My oldest is using it for his homework assignments. |
| 17:00.38 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 17:00.41 | harleypig | We're a VIm house baby! |
| 17:00.59 | harleypig | ick |
| 17:01.11 | nick125_lappy | I know how to use vim, but, my brain is preprogrammed to type nano -w when editing a file |
| 17:01.24 | harleypig | so alias nano to vim |
| 17:01.25 | elg | that's easy to fix |
| 17:01.38 | elg | or just delete nano |
| 17:01.45 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:02.27 | elg | when you're married, your wife won't let you keep pictures of your old girlfriend in your wallet. why should your editor be any different? |
| 17:03.24 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 17:03.28 | harleypig | :> |
| 17:04.02 | Keighvin | Touche. ;) |
| 17:04.21 | Keighvin | We're a vim family here too - which is why my daughter's random keyboard hits are a frightful thing. |
| 17:04.47 | Keighvin | ~lart nick125_lappy's slow gentoo mirror |
| 17:04.58 | Keighvin | No, no, that'll only make it worse! |
| 17:05.04 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:05.38 | [phoenyx] | I told my wife I wanted to teach my daughter how to do an effective zergling rush when she gets older |
| 17:05.38 | [phoenyx] | my wife said no |
| 17:06.32 | levi | Aww. |
| 17:07.05 | albino_ | Are you kidding!? If she doesn't know that how will she fight back when the bullies at school come after her with protoss Weapons of Mass Destruction? |
| 17:08.05 | mheath_ | Wow. Some windshield places try to rip you off.... |
| 17:08.14 | mheath_ | ~lart having to find the 'right price' for auto repairs |
| 17:08.22 | mheath_ | I hate owning a car. |
| 17:08.33 | elg | so sell it |
| 17:08.53 | levi | That'll leave you with plenty of money for a nice bicycle and associated gear. |
| 17:11.24 | levi | I wish selling a car was easier, though. |
| 17:26.29 | mheath_ | if anyone is interested, I still have some items for sale - http://67.182.231.23/sale.html |
| 17:29.13 | mheath_ | ~emacs harleypig |
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| 17:35.07 | mheath_ | All prices are negotioable, of course :) |
| 17:38.57 | Sargun | [phoenyx], how old is your daughter? |
| 17:39.17 | [phoenyx] | she turns 2 in November |
| 17:39.22 | Sargun | cool. |
| 17:39.32 | Sargun | make sure you don't expose her to the evils of windows |
| 17:40.44 | Keighvin | yes. ph34r teh 3v17 |
| 17:40.59 | fozzmoo | Oh, Windows is the only way to play all those fun flash-based games online that kids like. |
| 17:41.11 | fozzmoo | I.e. Nick Jr. Noggin, PBSKids, etc. |
| 17:41.19 | fozzmoo | Sad, but true. |
| 17:41.27 | nick125_lappy | fozzmoo: theres flash on linux |
| 17:41.43 | nick125_lappy | and, if it requires windows, I wouldn't want my children watching that trash anyways |
| 17:42.20 | elg | fozzmoo: what about flash on linux? |
| 17:42.23 | Sargun | fozzmoo, teach them programming! not gaming! |
| 17:42.29 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: your opinion will change in a few years |
| 17:42.30 | fozzmoo | Flash on Linux sucks. |
| 17:42.40 | elg | flash sucks, so what's new? |
| 17:42.41 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, dude, why would I want a kid. |
| 17:42.43 | Keighvin | Sargun: not gonna have the tax break or EIC, either. |
| 17:42.47 | Sargun | they are expensive. |
| 17:42.50 | elg | I've had no problem with pbskids on linux |
| 17:42.57 | Sargun | Keighvin, true. |
| 17:43.01 | [phoenyx] | I let her watch Dora the Explorer on Nick Jr. sometimes, but that's about all of her windows exposure. I have a little plush tux doll that she likes to play with :) |
| 17:43.02 | elg | not that I have spent a lot of time on it, but I've set it up for my neice |
| 17:43.10 | mheath_ | Sargun: Hardly any young teenagers like you want kids :P |
| 17:43.13 | nick125_lappy | [phoenyx]: haha |
| 17:43.21 | Sargun | mheath_, heh |
| 17:43.22 | Sargun | mheath_, you want kids? |
| 17:43.34 | nick125_lappy | [phoenyx]: where did you get that tux doll anyways? |
| 17:43.36 | nick125_lappy | I need one for my desk |
| 17:43.38 | mheath_ | Sargun: I'll settle for finding a woman first. |
| 17:43.44 | Sargun | heh |
| 17:43.55 | mheath_ | fozzmoo, I'm very responsible with kids, actually. I take care of my niece and nephews a lot. |
| 17:43.57 | Sargun | What happened to that girl that you went with to senior prom? |
| 17:44.08 | Sargun | How to take care of kids: |
| 17:44.12 | Sargun | 1. Put in sleeper hold |
| 17:44.28 | Sargun | 2. Uh, thats all there is? |
| 17:44.29 | Keighvin | Flintstones Chewable Valium. |
| 17:44.34 | Sargun | lol |
| 17:44.36 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:45.16 | [phoenyx] | nick125_lappy: it was a promotional toy they were giving out at compaq when I interned there. It says "Linux on compaq proliant" on his belly |
| 17:45.25 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:46.18 | Sargun | mheath_, Have you seen her? |
| 17:46.23 | Sargun | recently? |
| 17:46.34 | mheath_ | Sargun: Who? |
| 17:47.02 | Sargun | IIRC: you bought a DS, then wanted to sell it in order to pay for some girl at senior prom. |
| 17:47.29 | mheath_ | Sargun: ......Prom is not serious dating. That was a fun night with a girl from work. |
| 17:47.41 | Sargun | ah |
| 17:47.42 | Sargun | cool. |
| 17:48.19 | Sargun | and leilas? |
| 17:50.11 | mheath_ | anyone want an exteral enclosure for an IDE drive that connects to the computer via SCSI? |
| 17:50.26 | fozzmoo | That's just... disturbing. :) |
| 17:51.49 | mheath_ | fozzmoo, not as disturbing as "Whats on the Web Fall/Winter 1995/1996" |
| 17:52.32 | mheath_ | "How to tap the best of the internet's world wide web, instantly, and get the most from the web's 50,000 web sites for your personal, business, entertainment, and family use..." |
| 17:52.42 | mheath_ | "the web's 50,0000 web sites"...heh. |
| 17:57.19 | mheath_ | Visual Basic 3.0 anyone? ;-P |
| 17:57.27 | nick125_lappy | hahah |
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| 18:01.46 | mheath_ | Don't laugh, nick125. That is modern, powerful software! |
| 18:02.40 | mheath_ | BTW, if for some freakishly sadistic reason someone wants a bunch of 5.25 disks, speak now or forever hold your peace. |
| 18:04.34 | mheath_ | nick125_lappy, turbo pascal 4.0, MS-DOS 2.0, MS Windows 1.0 |
| 18:05.01 | mheath_ | I've got 25 years of computing history in my hands. |
| 18:14.01 | graphyx | Am I missing something? I thought there was a valid perl syntax along the lines of foreach [1..5] { |
| 18:14.03 | graphyx | ? |
| 18:16.21 | Keighvin | for( 1..5 ){} |
| 18:16.30 | Keighvin | If you use a foreach, you need a name. |
| 18:16.34 | graphyx | ok. |
| 18:16.35 | graphyx | Thansk. |
| 18:16.38 | Keighvin | foreach my $x ( 1..5 ){} |
| 18:16.55 | Keighvin | Whereas, if you just do it as a for( 1..n ){} then the shifted element ends up in $_. |
| 18:17.33 | graphyx | ok. |
| 18:17.36 | graphyx | cool, Thanks. |
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| 18:47.10 | unum | is plug going to extend that invite to other groups |
| 18:52.47 | Keighvin | Well that sucked. |
| 18:53.02 | Cleetus | ~lart graphyx |
| 19:01.41 | graphyx | -lart Cleetus |
| 19:01.53 | Cleetus | HA! I can one-up that with my TRS-80 I still have in my bsaement :-D |
| 19:02.05 | Cleetus | s/bsaement/basement/ |
| 19:02.15 | graphyx | your house doesn't have a basement. |
| 19:02.16 | graphyx | I've been ther. |
| 19:02.20 | graphyx | s/ther/there/ |
| 19:02.29 | graphyx | no you haven't! |
| 19:02.44 | graphyx | ibot, you are such a lair! |
| 19:02.45 | ibot | graphyx: what are you talking about? |
| 19:03.00 | Cleetus | I've got a TRS-80 though |
| 19:03.07 | graphyx | why? |
| 19:03.15 | Cleetus | to play dungeons of daggorath |
| 19:03.17 | Cleetus | :-D |
| 19:03.27 | graphyx | Are you sure you can't do that on a more updated piece of hardware? |
| 19:03.50 | Cleetus | it's always best to play on their original |
| 19:03.54 | Cleetus | hehe |
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| 19:09.02 | Keighvin | -lart Jayce^ |
| 19:09.09 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 19:09.28 | Cleetus | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 19:09.52 | mheath | ~seen redbeard1 |
| 19:09.55 | ibot | redbeard1 <n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3h 38m 21s ago, saying: 'worked for the forest service, you know'. |
| 19:09.55 | Cleetus | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 19:10.22 | mheath | ~onjoin redbeard1 |
| 19:10.49 | mheath | ~onjoin redbeard1 ping mheath |
| 19:10.50 | ibot | ok, mheath |
| 19:11.20 | mheath | Thank you, ibot. |
| 19:16.31 | graphyx | ~onjoin Cleetus -lart Cleetus |
| 19:16.31 | ibot | graphyx: ok |
| 19:19.44 | macnewbold | ~greet Cleetus |
| 19:19.46 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Cleetus |
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| 19:33.57 | Keighvin | -lart redbeard1 |
| 19:35.23 | graphyx | a lart is fleeing, but an onjoin lart is the gift that keeps on giving.. |
| 19:36.11 | mheath | redbeard1, ping |
| 19:37.20 | Keighvin | CTCP PING reply from mheath: 0.240 seconds |
| 19:37.30 | Keighvin | I'm routed through the same office as redbeard1 |
| 19:37.42 | Keighvin | So that should be accurate. |
| 19:37.49 | redbeard1 | mheath: sup |
| 19:37.52 | mheath | I am pinging redbeard1, not redbeard1's computer |
| 19:37.53 | mheath | Yah! |
| 19:37.53 | Keighvin | Unless you're testing a ping reply script/bot |
| 19:38.14 | mheath | redbeard1, your the resident chef, I'm told |
| 19:38.17 | Keighvin | -lart redbeard1 |
| 19:38.33 | mheath | redbeard1, do you know much about frech cuisine? |
| 19:38.54 | redbeard1 | mheath: some, what's up? |
| 19:39.20 | fozzmoo | mheath: I think you mean FRESH cuisine. :) |
| 19:39.44 | mheath | redbeard1, I've done a fair amount of cooking in the past, and I'd like to put together a nice french dinner for some family members, kind of for fun, kind of to challenge myself. I was wondering if you'd have any menu suggestions / recipes |
| 19:40.09 | fozzmoo | Wine. Steak. Wine. Steak. Wine. |
| 19:40.18 | redbeard1 | how fancy/expensive are you looking for? |
| 19:40.24 | scothoser | Unless he means French.. Doesn't that refer to cooking with various snails? Do the snails have to wear the little white hats? |
| 19:40.36 | redbeard1 | ~lart scothoser |
| 19:40.42 | redbeard1 | ha ha! |
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| 19:41.34 | mheath | redbeard1, very fancy. Good presentatio. Expensive isn't too much of an issue (Not paying hundreds of dollars though) |
| 19:41.56 | redbeard1 | hrm.. |
| 19:44.12 | redbeard1 | maybe some kind of chasseur dish, like quail chauseer stuffed with wild rice or something... of course, it may be more challenging to find quail in this state, but i think there's a few places that sell it |
| 19:44.28 | redbeard1 | gar... quail chasseur. |
| 19:45.15 | Keighvin | redbeard1: quail run wild in areas of UT, I just don't know their food quality. |
| 19:45.26 | Keighvin | Would a cornish game hen work as a substitution in a pinch? |
| 19:45.52 | scothoser | There should be a specialty meats place somewhere.. There used to be a good one in West Valley, but they recently closed down. |
| 19:45.57 | redbeard1 | Keighvin: i thought about that, but i'm thinking it might be a bit large |
| 19:46.19 | redbeard1 | i bet liberty heights fresh in salt lake would have it, or at least know where to get it |
| 19:46.35 | fozzmoo | Granatos |
| 19:46.41 | mheath | long way to drive...hmm |
| 19:46.52 | mheath | redbeard1, any other suggestions? |
| 19:47.09 | scothoser | You might also find some at a local Farmer's Market.. They are becoming a very popular poultry item. |
| 19:47.26 | redbeard1 | salmon en papillote is a popular one, but not much of a challenge. |
| 19:48.01 | mheath | Do the french ever cook with lamb? |
| 19:48.02 | mheath | =\ |
| 19:48.07 | redbeard1 | i'm really drawing a blank tho, i'm afraid. my school was french, but my forte was always southwestern cuisine |
| 19:48.25 | redbeard1 | mheath: sure. you could try a lamb navarin. it's pretty classic. |
| 19:48.36 | redbeard1 | naverin? not sure on the spelling. |
| 19:49.21 | mheath | A stew? |
| 19:49.23 | redbeard1 | or you could pull a thomas keller and try something nouveau like lobster navarin. that sounded interesting when anthony bourdain talked about it in a cooks tour. |
| 19:49.32 | redbeard1 | yeah, it's a pretty classic stew. |
| 19:49.49 | mheath | How does one present/serve a stew in a formal atmosphere? |
| 19:51.14 | fozzmoo | With funny-shaped spoons. |
| 19:51.16 | mheath | redbeard1, and did you go to a chefs school? |
| 19:51.38 | fozzmoo | And I'm not talking about sporks., |
| 19:51.53 | fozzmoo | Man, I'm really... on one... today. |
| 19:52.05 | fozzmoo | It's probably a good thing sjansen isn't around. |
| 19:52.44 | Keighvin | Well, yeah - goozbach hasn't met his ransom goals. |
| 19:53.32 | redbeard1 | mheath: well, the french probably wouldn't present it without using tourned potatoes and/or carrots or something... and i must admit, those do look nice, but they take a lot of practice |
| 19:54.14 | redbeard1 | but just in a soup bowl (the shallow kind with a wide rim), on top of a matching plate |
| 19:54.31 | redbeard1 | it's really the garnish that pulls it all together tho |
| 19:54.44 | redbeard1 | french are big on that kind of crap |
| 19:54.44 | mheath | redbeard1, any other lamb recipe ideas? =\ |
| 19:54.47 | mheath | heh |
| 19:55.55 | redbeard1 | you could always do a lamb chasseur, i guess. chasseur really refers more to the sauce and garnish than anything. well, a little to the method, but not much. |
| 19:56.11 | redbeard1 | just do a lamb roast served chasseur style |
| 19:56.28 | scothoser | Does it have to be French? Greek prepared lamb can be excellent... |
| 19:56.36 | redbeard1 | mmm, greek lamb. |
| 19:57.29 | macnewbold | greek lamb on gyros, in fresh pitas |
| 19:57.29 | scothoser | Particularly served with homemade mint jelly.. |
| 19:57.29 | macnewbold | mmm |
| 19:57.29 | redbeard1 | ooh! i have a good one! let me find the name, hang on. |
| 19:57.29 | mheath | scothoser, indeed...actually, Turkish is my favorite. But, part of the personal challenge I'm making to myself is to pull together a beautifully prestended french dinner :) |
| 19:58.19 | redbeard1 | mheath: refer to the photo on this page, but ignore the recipe: http://www.atkinsranch.com/Recipes/crown_roast.htm |
| 19:58.49 | redbeard1 | a properly frenched lamb crown can look really nice, and doing it right can definitely be a challenge |
| 19:59.12 | mheath | redbeard1, heh, wow...any actual recipes for it I _can_ use as a guide? |
| 19:59.13 | redbeard1 | here's a better photo: http://www.meats.co.uk/prodpage.asp?ProdID=55 |
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| 20:01.03 | mheath | redbeard1, and, any recommendation for an appetizer? |
| 20:01.08 | redbeard1 | mheath: that recipe probably isn't bad to use as a guide. but if it were me, i would check google for "lamb crown roast" and look at maybe 5 or 6 recipes that i liked, and then formulate my own version |
| 20:01.42 | redbeard1 | hmm... appetizers... duchess potatoes (piped with a star tip) were always a favorite back in school |
| 20:01.59 | mheath | redbeard1, Heh, I've been trying to get into more advanced cooking....and thats whats scaring me a lot, the freedom. I'm too used to following a recipe out of a Betty Crocker cookbook perfectly =P |
| 20:02.07 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:02.48 | mheath | redbeard1, it's kind of nice to have some freedom to create my own dishes, though |
| 20:03.25 | redbeard1 | i'm a big believer that outside of a commercial/production environment, recipes should only be used as a guide, and never as a set of rules. |
| 20:03.37 | redbeard1 | i've been told that baking is an exception, but i no longer believe that. |
| 20:04.04 | mheath | redbeard1, I think some types of baking is, at least.....IE, mess around with a chocolate chip cookie recipe too much and the cookies won't set properly. |
| 20:04.39 | redbeard1 | just remember: you have to know what the rules are before you can break them. |
| 20:05.09 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, the only way to know what the rules are in the first place is experience. |
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| 20:05.34 | mheath | fyep |
| 20:05.36 | mheath | Yep* |
| 20:05.53 | brando1 | so I did something real dumb and deleted an e-mail I meant to reply to. Can someone bounce the plug msg about the free server rack to brandon --at linuxis . us? |
| 20:05.55 | mheath | thats the frustrating thing...its easy enough to learn how to cook something properly, its the incorrect attempts that lead you there that are frustrating :) |
| 20:06.15 | redbeard1 | professional baking by wayne gisslen is one of my more standard references in that area. |
| 20:06.24 | brando1 | :) I'm sure now someone's going to bounce it after they reply to it too though. ;-) |
| 20:06.46 | redbeard1 | brando1: you could just ask me... |
| 20:06.50 | Jayce^ | brando1, you could also just ask redbeard1 about it |
| 20:06.52 | redbeard1 | or scothoser |
| 20:06.53 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 20:07.07 | Jayce^ | whoo, scothoser is in here now... wow |
| 20:07.09 | mheath | redbeard1, I'm thinking of doing either a Chocolate Souffle or a Chocolate Creme Brulee for dessert. |
| 20:07.49 | redbeard1 | mheath: creme brulee is relatively easy. souffle is relatively difficult, until you've mastered it. if you're looking for a challenge, go for the souffle. |
| 20:08.09 | redbeard1 | but practice at least once before serving it. |
| 20:08.17 | brando1 | I was just doing a d d d d d in mutt and hit qy right as I read the subject. :) So what are the details about the rack? |
| 20:08.19 | scothoser | Howdy Jayce! I understand you were amused by my new job at the U? ^_^ |
| 20:08.22 | mheath | Heh. I like the Lamb Crown idea. |
| 20:08.23 | Jayce^ | or have omlettes for dinner |
| 20:08.32 | mheath | It seems very nice, but relatively easy to get right |
| 20:08.40 | mheath | (or at least end up with something tasty and edible) |
| 20:08.42 | Jayce^ | scothoser, long time no talk |
| 20:08.47 | Jayce^ | especially in IRC |
| 20:09.00 | scothoser | Yeah, I've been exiled to eBay for the past 3 years.. |
| 20:09.28 | Jayce^ | still, associating you with education is almost like associating "quality" with redbeard1 .... |
| 20:09.31 | redbeard1 | brando1: is your nick registered? |
| 20:09.32 | Jayce^ | just seems... wrong... |
| 20:09.42 | redbeard1 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:09.58 | brando1 | redbeard1: no, I'm logged on through gaim |
| 20:10.02 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 20:10.21 | brando1 | redbeard1: I guess you're not getting the msg's off channel? |
| 20:10.27 | redbeard1 | brando1: me too, but i'm using a registered nick. |
| 20:10.29 | mheath | redbeard1, so, duchess potatoes, a lamb crown, and a chocolate soufle :) |
| 20:10.41 | mheath | redbeard1, Did you go to cooking school, then? |
| 20:10.42 | redbeard1 | mheath: you probably want some veggies too. |
| 20:10.50 | redbeard1 | mheath: yeah, le cordon bleu |
| 20:10.54 | mheath | redbeard1, I was thinking of including some as the stuffing for the crown. |
| 20:10.55 | scothoser | Jayce^, so what are you up to? |
| 20:11.17 | mheath | redbeard1, unless you think that wouldn't end up too good |
| 20:11.39 | redbeard1 | mheath: oh, right right. actually, you could do both veg and starch as stuffing for the crown. |
| 20:11.51 | mheath | yeah |
| 20:12.47 | redbeard1 | you might want to do that anyway, instead of the duchess potatoes. |
| 20:13.05 | mheath | well I need something for an appetizer.... |
| 20:13.37 | mheath | redbeard1, what do you think of something like a cheese souffle? |
| 20:13.50 | redbeard1 | don't do both a cheese souffle and a chocolate souffle |
| 20:14.09 | redbeard1 | maybe some kind of composed salad would work? and/or a soup? |
| 20:14.22 | redbeard1 | the french like doing things like that in seperate courses |
| 20:14.38 | redbeard1 | putting them all together in the same course is very american |
| 20:15.13 | mheath | the salad and the soup in seperate courses? |
| 20:15.38 | redbeard1 | sure |
| 20:16.48 | redbeard1 | in a french restaurant, they might start with some sort of amuse bouche. then move onto a soup course, a salad course, maybe a light citrus sorbet (to cleanse the palate), then the entree, then maybe a cheese course, then dessert, then coffe/tea |
| 20:16.54 | redbeard1 | coffee, not coffe |
| 20:17.40 | Sargun | PayPal |
| 20:17.40 | Sargun | <paypal@us.com> to me |
| 20:17.40 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.40 | Sargun | Dear PayPal Customer |
| 20:17.40 | Sargun | This e-mail is the notification of recent innovations taken by PayPal to detect inactive customers and non-functioning mailboxes. |
| 20:17.42 | Sargun | The inactive customers are subject to restriction and removal in the next 3 months. |
| 20:17.44 | Sargun | Please confirm your email address and and Credit Card info number by logging in to your PayPal account using the next link: |
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| 20:17.51 | Sargun | https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login |
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| 20:18.50 | Sargun | sorry 'bout the flood |
| 20:19.07 | brando1 | redbeard1: What are the details about the rack you're looking to get rid of? |
| 20:19.11 | macnewbold | but the link behind the text with the URL is probably not the same link |
| 20:20.55 | Sargun | yea |
| 20:20.56 | Sargun | I know |
| 20:21.25 | scothoser | Sargun, send the email with full headers copied in to spoof@paypal.com |
| 20:21.37 | mrpull | the thing that amazes me is paypal _does_ send email like that when someone puts money in my paypal account |
| 20:21.43 | mheath | redbeard1, citrus sorbet? Thats interesting. |
| 20:23.01 | redbeard1 | brando1: last time we moved it, we used my old blazer (which i haven't had for 3 years), but it was plenty big enough |
| 20:23.06 | brando1 | redbeard1: I get your msg's but you're not seeing mine, do you have any IM client? |
| 20:23.08 | redbeard1 | brando1: and it's first come, first serve |
| 20:23.47 | redbeard1 | mheath: yeah, we did that a lot with the sorbet, it works really well |
| 20:24.09 | mheath | Why do people insist on treating me like a child? I've been in the freakin' Marine Corps! Why do I have to get a teen "fundz" debit card and sign up for youth accounts for everything? |
| 20:24.10 | scothoser | brando1: it's currently buried in my garage, which I need to get cleaned out this fall. You are welcome to it. We had a fair number of servers in it a while back. |
| 20:24.24 | scothoser | Referring to the server rack, of course. ^_^ |
| 20:24.36 | mheath | ~lart still legally being a child |
| 20:24.56 | mheath | "Oh, Second Life looks cool. I'll give it a try" |
| 20:25.08 | Sargun | lol |
| 20:25.12 | mheath | Oh, wait! too bad I can only sign up for their far less populated and far less interesting "Teen grid" |
| 20:25.22 | macnewbold | when do you turn 18 mheath? |
| 20:25.29 | mheath | I can die for my country, but I can't play the adult version of a freakin video game |
| 20:25.37 | mheath | macnewbold, Not until next June. |
| 20:25.53 | macnewbold | for the "adult" version you might need to be 21 anyway |
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| 20:26.00 | mheath | macnewbold, it's 18. |
| 20:26.03 | macnewbold | or at least have parental permission |
| 20:28.10 | mheath | Interesting, it lets me sign up for an account |
| 20:28.43 | mheath | Never mind. |
| 20:28.48 | mheath | "You are signing up for Teen Second Life" |
| 20:28.59 | Sargun | oh |
| 20:29.05 | Sargun | is there a military in SL? |
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| 20:29.08 | Sargun | or multiple nations? |
| 20:29.53 | graphyx | mheath: You want us to buy you a beer? |
| 20:29.57 | graphyx | mheath: j/k. |
| 20:30.04 | mheath | Haha. I was going to right an e-mail to the government of Sealand and explain my situation and request a cermonial position in their military =P |
| 20:30.07 | mheath | *write |
| 20:30.08 | graphyx | just comparing it to us signing up for second life by proxy. |
| 20:30.18 | amcnabb | Didn't Sealand go under? |
| 20:30.26 | amcnabb | I thought I heard that someone died or something. |
| 20:30.44 | Sargun | why is my internet being retarded |
| 20:30.45 | mheath | amcnabb, they had a fire, but it didn't effect the basic infrastructure. |
| 20:30.51 | mheath | No one died, and they're working on repairs. |
| 20:31.26 | Sargun | wtf |
| 20:31.31 | Sargun | 86 Kb/s |
| 20:32.03 | amcnabb | mheath, ok |
| 20:32.27 | mheath | amcnabb, whats interesting is how dependent the hosting service they have their is |
| 20:32.49 | mheath | The building was literally on fire, and the generator caught fire, but all the computers were in a fireproof room, and switched immediately to backup power. |
| 20:32.51 | Sargun | Is google lagging for you guys? |
| 20:32.54 | Sargun | sealand? |
| 20:32.57 | Sargun | were is that? |
| 20:33.06 | Sargun | I wonder when google maps will include SL |
| 20:33.20 | mheath | The building was _on fire_ and the servers had only 2 minutes downtime |
| 20:33.25 | mheath | Sargun: In the sea :) |
| 20:33.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 20:33.54 | Sargun | where was sealand last month? |
| 20:36.20 | mheath | Sargun: 51°53′40″N, 1°28′57″E |
| 20:36.40 | Sargun | thanks :-D |
| 20:37.20 | Sargun | is google dying? |
| 20:37.50 | Sargun | google is dying... |
| 20:37.52 | scothoser | Sargun: Hmm, I don't seem to have any trouble with it... |
| 20:37.56 | elg | seems fine to me |
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| 20:38.26 | amcnabb | mheath, I just saw the post-fire pictures. |
| 20:38.30 | amcnabb | That's pretty crazy. |
| 20:38.38 | tyce | is netperf the best way to test tcpsndbuf? |
| 20:38.59 | mheath | amcnabb, what do you think if I sent them an e-mail requesting a ceremonial position in their military? :P |
| 20:39.57 | amcnabb | Aren't they a little preoccupied with repairs? :) |
| 20:40.23 | mheath | heh |
| 20:47.25 | elg | -lart jui |
| 20:47.28 | elg | juice I mean |
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| 21:19.35 | Keighvin | Nice. :) |
| 21:19.50 | Keighvin | Nice. :) |
| 21:19.51 | Keighvin | ~lart ibot |
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| 21:20.25 | Keighvin | -lart brac |
| 21:28.37 | findlay | ~duck Keighvin |
| 21:28.39 | ibot | ACTION gives Keighvin a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels Keighvin with it's big white wings. |
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| 21:58.47 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 22:03.13 | Jayce^ | ~lart elg |
| 22:06.04 | elg | ~sneeze |
| 22:06.05 | ibot | SNOT BALLS!!! |
| 22:08.37 | harleypig | Piranhas in the bidet! |
| 22:10.06 | harleypig | Why is sjansen being ransomed? |
| 22:10.29 | elg | it seems he's been kidnapped |
| 22:11.07 | harleypig | By his students? |
| 22:11.23 | harleypig | His gf (does he have a gf?) |
| 22:11.24 | Tene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg |
| 22:19.56 | Keighvin | ~lart me |
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| 22:36.06 | bonez39 | elg, question for you about grub..and drive set up.... |
| 22:37.18 | bonez39 | I had three drives....two ide (one 3gb and one 8gb) in my linux box....I added an SATA drive, 80gb...the machine booted from, i.e., the MBR with the boot up info....was on the first ide drive......that drive went bad...I took out both drives..hoping to just boot up from the SATA..... |
| 22:40.05 | bonez39 | Can I now....if I can get a grub boot disk to boot up....get a grub prompt and then either run grub-install, to install to this SATA drive....as well as setting up the MBR correctly? |
| 22:40.10 | bonez39 | does any of this make sense? |
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| 22:40.52 | bonez39 | when I had the two IDE drives in.....the BIOS is OLD....97....the one ide drive had the LBA code on it, in its mbr to tell the BIOS to look beyond the 1023 cylinder, so it all worked fine.... |
| 22:41.07 | bonez39 | now though, sans the two IDE drives....i can't boot into the new drive....... |
| 22:41.30 | bonez39 | anyone? |
| 22:41.38 | elg | your motherboard may not be able to boot off of SATA |
| 22:42.15 | elg | the easiest thing is probably to put an old IDE drive in to boot off of, or use a floppy or CD for booting |
| 22:42.25 | bonez39 | elg, why would it boot up fine before...when the ide drives were in...? |
| 22:42.34 | elg | because it booted off the ide drives |
| 22:42.47 | elg | once the OS is booted it can read the SATA just fine |
| 22:42.57 | bonez39 | ok...I'd be happy to boot from a floppy....... |
| 22:43.09 | elg | otoh your mobo might be able to handle it ok and just needs to be configured to do so |
| 22:43.14 | bonez39 | ah, it's just getting the OS to boot up.... |
| 22:43.19 | elg | but making a boot floppy is easy enough |
| 22:43.31 | elg | although I don't have it memorized |
| 22:43.35 | bonez39 | ok, at my office I have a grub install disk..... |
| 22:45.00 | bonez39 | I had a grub disk last week,, attempting this, but it listed 4 partitions, but then said.....the system couldn't see them......it used different verbiage, but that's the gist of it..... |
| 22:45.46 | bonez39 | it mentioned something about size....this was when I had a grub> prompt and ran root (hd0,0) and then setup.....it refused to run owing to the fact that it couldn't recognize the drive, without some sort of LBA translation code ...... |
| 22:46.46 | elg | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622 |
| 22:47.16 | bonez39 | so fast at finding stuff......amazing |
| 22:48.24 | Keighvin | Nah, elg doesn't have to find anything. |
| 22:48.27 | bonez39 | I ran into that article the other day........ |
| 22:48.28 | Keighvin | He memorizes all of this. |
| 22:48.38 | bonez39 | Keighvin, are you saying it's all self contained with elg? |
| 22:48.40 | elg | if grub can't read your SATA drive then you may have to put the kernel on the floppy too |
| 22:49.04 | bonez39 | it seemed that grub had a hard time reading the SATA drive..... |
| 22:49.12 | bonez39 | but I'll gladly put that on the floppy too...... |
| 22:49.30 | elg | the trickiest part is root=/dev/sda1 or whatever your root is |
| 22:49.39 | bonez39 | ah....... |
| 22:49.46 | bonez39 | the drive WAS /dev/hde |
| 22:49.50 | elg | get grub to see the kernel, make sure the root is correctly specified, and you're off to the races |
| 22:50.01 | elg | well root is one partition, so /dev/hde wouldn't be your root |
| 22:50.08 | elg | it would be the disk that contains root |
| 22:50.13 | elg | root would be /dev/hde1 or something |
| 22:50.18 | Keighvin | bonez39: Yes. elg is a self-contained wonder of knowledge. |
| 22:50.37 | bonez39 | elg, I tried using Toms root boot...and it didn't ahve grub so that didn't work.... |
| 22:50.42 | Keighvin | And Jayce^ == search.cpan.org (has a terminal phsically implanted into the back of his head from which the content is served) |
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| 22:51.01 | inspiron630 | hi |
| 22:51.03 | elg | yeah I've often wished tom's root boot would have grub on it |
| 22:51.08 | elg | ~kill inspiron630 |
| 22:51.10 | ibot | ACTION shoots a pseudoproton gun at inspiron630 |
| 22:51.28 | inspiron630 | where can i find a list of deliminators for java (StringTokenizer) |
| 22:51.56 | elg | probably the set of tubes called the internet. |
| 22:52.58 | synic | according to le documentation, you provice the delimiter. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/util/StringTokenizer.html |
| 22:55.56 | bonez39 | elg, just so I understand...if I were to create a grub boot disk, per the LJ article..and also at that same time...copy my current kernel to the floppy.... |
| 22:56.25 | bonez39 | then you are suggesting I can boot with the kernel on the floppy....and it will shift the attention over to the SATA drive? |
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| 23:07.19 | findlay | anybody know how you would setup wordpress or typo on a host with only ftp access? |
| 23:07.40 | findlay | could you install a simple script that you run from the browser to install it? |
| 23:09.18 | Keighvin | findlay: That's often how those things are set up to run. |
| 23:09.49 | Keighvin | But a lot of that is going to depend on the configuration of the server - whether or not the permissions and locations of the files are such that they will be allowed to execute as an interpreted script. |
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| 23:11.01 | findlay | what if you have /home/user/public_html. would you just unpack wordpress there? |
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| 23:19.47 | findlay | is there a way to specify multiple MAILTO address with cron? |
| 23:19.57 | findlay | s/ss/sses/ |
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| 23:20.57 | Keighvin | "any output is mailed to the owner of the crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable in the crontab, if such exists)" |
| 23:21.02 | Keighvin | Ah. Multiple. |
| 23:21.04 | Keighvin | Um... |
| 23:21.06 | TimRiker | findlay: comma sep should work, no? MAILTO=user1@example.com,user2@example.com |
| 23:21.09 | Keighvin | Have you tried comma sep? |
| 23:21.25 | TimRiker | :) |
| 23:21.35 | findlay | actually I haven't gotten mailing to work at all yet ;) |
| 23:22.09 | findlay | guess I should worry about more addrs when I can get the mail out then TIAS |
| 23:22.14 | TimRiker | findlay: does simple mail work? ie: "date | mail -s test foo@example.com" ? |
| 23:23.21 | TimRiker | course you could write a shell script and then call it, where the script itself does the mailing and outputs nothing. |
| 23:24.25 | findlay | yeah, but only if cron in the end doesn't provide what is wanted, since that is the office of cron and I don't want to complicate things too much |
| 23:24.44 | findlay | but it certainly is an option |
| 23:25.33 | amcnabb | findlay, /etc/aliases is always an option. |
| 23:25.43 | amcnabb | That's what I've usually done. |
| 23:26.19 | macnewbold | or if you have a dummy account, a .forward could work too. Aliases is nice and clean though |
| 23:26.22 | findlay | hmm, `date | mail -s test root` doesn't even end up in /var/spool/mail/root |
| 23:27.08 | findlay | amcnabb: do you think /etc/aliases is preferrable? |
| 23:29.25 | Keighvin | I'm in the habit of cat'ing everything to log files and reviewing those in an automated monitor/mailer after the fact. |
| 23:29.59 | findlay | how do you view the log files, just with less? |
| 23:30.11 | Keighvin | Depends on what's doing the monitoring. |
| 23:30.21 | Keighvin | If it's something unimportant, I'll just tail the log manually. |
| 23:30.57 | Keighvin | If I need to know how it's doing on a daily or critical basis then I'll add them to a more formal monitor made for that purpose. |
| 23:31.32 | findlay | what kinds of monitors are available? |
| 23:31.40 | mheath | Anyone familar with debian / apt-get? |
| 23:32.16 | mheath | http://ubuntu.compiz.net/pool/ <-- Can that be setup as an apt-get source? it seems formatted in the way most apt repositories I see are, but someone said I'd have to do a manual download. |
| 23:34.31 | Keighvin | mheath - it should be a standard apt repository. |
| 23:34.48 | Keighvin | findlay: nagios, if you want to go really powerful |
| 23:35.13 | Keighvin | Or, just your own script that does a check for keywords in the last N lines to indicate success/failure, whatever. |
| 23:35.44 | Keighvin | I've done both, but that's only because I'm a coder and familiar with production environments. |
| 23:35.51 | Keighvin | Neither option is particularly accessible otherwise. |
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| 23:36.49 | mheath | Can I have a bunch of .deb's in a local folder, install one of them, and have it try to resolve deps using other .deb's in the folder? |
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| 23:47.16 | linuxalien | Everyone must be rushing home from work. :P |
