| 00:19.33 | levi_home | Ewww, C++ nastiness on PLUG. |
| 00:22.04 | Sargun | Does anyone know any of the TWiTs? |
| 00:27.02 | Tene | in perl, s/\n/foo/ doesn't seem to do anything useful at all. |
| 00:27.11 | Sargun | Anyone here a (vid/pod)caster? |
| 00:27.28 | Tene | looks like it matches... the entire string. |
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| 00:30.58 | levi_home | Tene: Works for me. |
| 00:31.52 | levi_home | Tene: $foo = "bar\n"; $foo =~ s/\n/bar/; print $foo; => barbar |
| 00:31.53 | Tene | s/\n/./g gives me a single . |
| 00:32.21 | levi_home | There's a flag to treat the string as a single string, rather than a set of lines. |
| 00:32.30 | levi_home | I don't recall what it is. |
| 00:32.40 | Tene | tried with various combinations. |
| 00:34.29 | levi_home | $foo = "foo\nfoo\nfoo\n"; $foo =~ s/\n/bar/g; print $foo; => foobarfoobarfoobar |
| 00:34.40 | Tene | huh |
| 00:34.48 | Tene | something strange about this input then, I guess. |
| 00:34.59 | levi_home | Worked like that in my perl debugger, at least. |
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| 00:45.10 | mheath[laptop] | Why did ^Migs^ add exclamation marks? |
| 00:45.21 | *** topic/#utah by mheath[laptop] -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. Read http://plug.org/node/28 . Fall is here . goozbach is taking donations for sjansen's ransom. Keep the channel PG! BYU-UUG Installfest Saturday 10am-3pm uug.byu.edu, OALUG Distro discussion on the 30th oalug.com |
| 00:48.07 | Tene | argh, Text::CSV_XS will only read the first line of this string. >< |
| 00:51.51 | Tene | and Text::CSV::Simple accepts a *filename*; |
| 00:54.39 | Tene | it always confuses me that there's no entry in perldoc for 'foreach' |
| 00:55.42 | Sargun | goozbach, Hey, donde estas? |
| 00:58.31 | Sargun | ~seen goozbach |
| 00:58.56 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah (8d 20h 27m 28s). Has said a total of 278 messages. Is idling for 4h 16m 21s, last said: 'netstat?'. |
| 01:34.31 | mheath[laptop] | I like the look of this black theme I put on the desktop, but its too hard on the eyes. |
| 01:38.03 | Sargun | emcnabb, thanks for the orkut invite |
| 01:38.10 | Sargun | I want to poke goozbach really hard |
| 01:40.22 | mheath[laptop] | http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/screenshot.png |
| 01:40.26 | mheath[laptop] | Too hard on the eyes... |
| 01:44.57 | goozbach | what? |
| 01:45.24 | Sargun | goozbach, how is your VPS provider? |
| 01:51.00 | tensai | mheath[laptop]: so you were talking about buying a bike the other day. one suggestion I heard *after* I bought mine was to look for a good used bike in the newspaper, craigslist, etc. |
| 01:51.14 | tensai | don't know why I didn't think of it |
| 01:51.24 | mheath[laptop] | Well, fortunately the doctor today said that running should be OK |
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| 01:51.32 | mheath[laptop] | (that was the only good news :( ) |
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| 01:52.27 | tensai | riding a bike is nice too. get to see more since you go farther. I seem to think less about exercising and have more fun on the bike. |
| 01:52.30 | tensai | ymmv |
| 01:53.57 | mheath[laptop] | THESE INPUT PROBLEMS ARE DRIVING ME INSANE |
| 01:54.05 | mheath[laptop] | It will lock up, and not let me input anything |
| 01:54.08 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:54.20 | mheath[laptop] | Or only let me right click on one thing....everything else is locked up until I do |
| 01:54.28 | mheath[laptop] | Like, for example...I'll be browsing the web |
| 01:54.41 | mheath[laptop] | I can't click on anything, can't type anything in.....the keyboard is completely worthless |
| 01:54.55 | mheath[laptop] | The mouse still moves around..and as soon as I right click on the address bar, everything works again |
| 01:55.40 | Sargun | haahah |
| 01:56.39 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, Yes, Sargun. I found out I have a bad genetic condition that will likely cause me to die prematurely and spontaneously today. My computer is driving me insane. And, you're right, this is all INCREDIBLY FUNNY! |
| 01:56.51 | levi_home | Riding a bike is way more fun than running. |
| 01:56.51 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Sargun |
| 01:59.19 | Tene | yeah, bicycles are awesome. |
| 02:01.09 | Sargun | mheath[laptop], its kind of funny though, in a mean sort of way. |
| 02:01.15 | Sargun | And I'll just shut up now |
| 02:04.16 | mheath[laptop] | Sargun, what is it you find so funny about a bug in the synaptics input driver? |
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| 02:33.11 | elg | levi_home: if you're in the mood, I wouldn't mind a proof read of http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/cs510fa06/hw1-answers.pdf and http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/cs510fa06/quiz1.pdf |
| 02:43.27 | mheath[laptop] | I'm thinking of going and seeing a movie tonight. |
| 02:44.16 | mheath[laptop] | Nevermind, not a single good thing in the theaters. Still. |
| 02:44.17 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: make sure you don't die on the way! it could happen at any time! |
| 02:46.33 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, please don't joke about that. I'm really confused and nervous right now, and the fact remains that I may have a condition that can cause the spontaneous development of aneurysm of the aorta. |
| 02:48.13 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, and its not something that will cause me to die sitting there; it can, however, cause me to have problems when I'm doing something physical |
| 02:48.31 | emcnabb | you also might get killed in a car wreck, have a heart attack, or get poisoned |
| 02:48.33 | mheath[laptop] | In the most famous cases, its caused an olympic athlete to suddenly drop dead. |
| 02:49.08 | Sargun | ack. |
| 02:50.00 | emcnabb | freaking out about it on IRC won't do you much good |
| 02:50.25 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, I'm not freaking out about it, and I'm not paranoid. |
| 02:50.46 | emcnabb | well, it sounds that way |
| 02:50.48 | mheath[laptop] | I am just worried about it, and worried about how my luck keeps seeming to get worse. |
| 02:51.32 | mheath[laptop] | I've gone from Twisting my knee and needing to go to medical, to getting dropped from training, to getting sent home, to having the major possibility of a bad genetic disease |
| 02:52.07 | Sargun | At least your breathing, already better off then most people in the world. |
| 02:52.09 | Sargun | er |
| 02:52.14 | Sargun | s/already// |
| 02:52.41 | emcnabb | bad things happen to everyone, just make the best out of it |
| 02:53.03 | Sargun | emcnabb, do you still have problems with your back? |
| 02:53.16 | emcnabb | nope, not really |
| 02:54.07 | Sargun | thats good. |
| 02:57.07 | emcnabb | night all |
| 02:57.36 | Sargun | good nighten! |
| 02:58.06 | Sargun | goozbach, how is your VPS company? |
| 02:58.08 | Sargun | ~goozbach |
| 02:58.10 | ibot | [goozbach] a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 02:59.29 | Sargun | ~goozbach |
| 02:59.31 | ibot | goozbach is probably a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 03:20.07 | findlay | ~Sargun |
| 03:20.13 | Sargun | Null! |
| 03:20.20 | findlay | ~gunSar |
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| 03:40.49 | Sargun | "What can you do with your VPS?" |
| 03:43.57 | atoponce | anything else? |
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| 03:47.29 | levi_home | Most of my ideas are more about cool programming languages than Linux, really. |
| 03:50.08 | atoponce | da you demo them yourself, or have someone else do the presentation? |
| 03:52.24 | levi_home | I haven't done any demos; I'd like to, but I don't have the time to put anything together. |
| 03:54.53 | levi_home | I would also like to put together a website and mail list to help expose people to new programming languages. |
| 03:55.51 | atoponce | i want to have good presentations, and not necessarily easy or beginner topics, although there's nothing wrong with that |
| 03:56.16 | levi_home | It'd feature discussions of languages and periodic 'quiz' type exercises where everyone implements a particular toy program in the given language. |
| 03:56.31 | atoponce | just sucks when all i can think of presenting is what i know in linux, and i feel everone else already knows it |
| 03:58.13 | levi_home | There's only so much stuff in Linux itself; of course, if you consider anything that's contained in a Linux distribution to be fair game... |
| 03:58.53 | atoponce | if there were a way to have a programming contest in a meeting, that might be fun |
| 04:01.04 | Sargun | That would be cool. |
| 04:11.23 | atoponce | http://www.qdb.us/57165 |
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| 04:24.46 | goozbach | Sargun: we're doing well, why? |
| 04:25.24 | goozbach | I'm busily building another host server right now. |
| 04:27.44 | Sargun | sweet. |
| 04:27.52 | Sargun | whats your egress? |
| 04:27.57 | Sargun | do you have a website? |
| 04:29.25 | goozbach | why would we need an egress? |
| 04:29.50 | Sargun | like port? |
| 04:29.51 | goozbach | www.neverblock.com |
| 04:30.06 | goozbach | what are you talking about? |
| 04:30.11 | goozbach | port, egress? |
| 04:30.20 | goozbach | speak geek for pete's sake |
| 04:30.23 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:30.34 | Sargun | Port? |
| 04:30.38 | Sargun | how fat is your port. |
| 04:30.47 | goozbach | egress route, ahh |
| 04:30.58 | goozbach | context man! context! |
| 04:31.53 | goozbach | http://stats.xmission.com/routers/public/ |
| 04:32.13 | goozbach | it's co-located at xmission. |
| 04:32.14 | Sargun | may I know many customers you have? |
| 04:32.15 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:32.18 | Sargun | I noticed :-) |
| 04:32.54 | goozbach | why do you need to know about my customers? |
| 04:32.59 | goozbach | we're doing well |
| 04:33.24 | goozbach | lets just say 10-20 |
| 04:34.03 | Sargun | cool |
| 04:34.05 | Sargun | We have the same. |
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| 04:43.19 | goozbach | high HO |
| 04:43.33 | goozbach | UH-OH! |
| 04:43.38 | goozbach | hotDOG! |
| 04:43.46 | goozbach | sleepytimeforgoozbach |
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| 04:50.17 | elg | grr |
| 04:50.40 | elg | a usb storage device unplugging should not wreak havoc |
| 04:50.53 | elg | at worst it should cause data loss on the usb device |
| 04:51.08 | elg | I can't even reboot without power cycling |
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| 05:24.32 | Sargun | Anyone here a privacy nut? |
| 05:30.32 | elg | halfway |
| 05:31.04 | Sargun | you tunnel all your data through |
| 05:31.10 | Sargun | a private gateway |
| 05:34.53 | elg | tunnel my data? |
| 05:35.40 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:35.47 | Sargun | through an encrypted tunnel |
| 05:35.50 | Sargun | so: |
| 05:36.02 | Sargun | you ---TUNNEL---> gateway ---> INTERNET |
| 05:41.56 | elg | not everything |
| 05:43.17 | Sargun | you should. |
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| 05:53.45 | Sargun | EpP, hey |
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| 06:11.08 | EpP | hey Sargun |
| 06:11.19 | Sargun | sup |
| 06:11.41 | EpP | nm, just downloading F.E.A.R |
| 06:12.17 | EpP | you? |
| 06:13.12 | Sargun | hanging around |
| 06:13.21 | Sargun | getting annoyed at datacenter. |
| 06:14.18 | EpP | oh really, whats the prob? |
| 06:18.51 | Sargun | acls and room |
| 06:18.57 | Sargun | high prices too |
| 06:19.06 | Sargun | We need 20 mbps of customer.. |
| 06:20.20 | EpP | yeah |
| 06:22.05 | Sargun | you wouldn't happen to be the super-paranoid nerd that needs 20 mbit/sec of super-network? |
| 06:22.09 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 06:22.26 | Sargun | or 10 mbit/sec of uber-encryption? |
| 06:23.27 | nick125_lappy | or some guy that runs a really popular podcast/website/whatever that needs hosting? heh |
| 06:23.41 | Sargun | or knows someone that does? |
| 06:24.19 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 06:24.45 | EpP | Oh yeah dude. I need a cheese burger, do you guys do fast food? |
| 06:24.56 | Sargun | uh |
| 06:25.00 | Sargun | where do you live? |
| 06:25.12 | EpP | utah |
| 06:25.17 | Sargun | well |
| 06:25.18 | Sargun | city |
| 06:25.26 | EpP | Holladay |
| 06:25.33 | EpP | pretty much Eastside SLC |
| 06:25.47 | nick125_lappy | Sargun will call his huge (*cough*) network of people to get you a cheeseburger with a VPS on the side |
| 06:26.12 | EpP | haha |
| 06:26.12 | EpP | yeah he has hookups |
| 06:26.40 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:26.55 | Sargun | that'll be a bill of *thinks |
| 06:26.55 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: you work on the cheeseburger, I'll work on the VPS |
| 06:27.14 | Sargun | 515 dollars.. |
| 06:31.53 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 08:23.31 | SlackwareTeen | hello |
| 08:31.44 | Sargun | aw damn |
| 08:31.46 | Sargun | he left. |
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| 08:35.23 | SlackwareTeen | how safe is IRC? |
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| 13:55.18 | atoponce | EpP: you around? |
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| 14:11.02 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 14:12.15 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 14:13.08 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
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| 14:19.20 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 14:28.55 | elg | levi_home: http://www.rubyquiz.com/quiz95.html |
| 14:36.11 | elg | but it's backwards. who, except this SQL nut, wants to take ruby code and make s expressions? IMHO, it's cooler to write an engine to execute s expressions |
| 14:45.20 | EpP | atoponce, ping |
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| 15:49.11 | bonez12 | Firefox question...I was fine using Firefox yesterday, could access my bank accounts and other stuff..but today it's telling me that SSL is switched off....to check my profile for Firefox...where it this controlled/ |
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| 15:53.43 | bonez12 | anyone knowledgeable about Firefox? |
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| 17:28.41 | mheath | Hmm. I wish I had a DVD burner drive. |
| 17:28.46 | mheath | I have one CD I'd like to burn. |
| 17:28.50 | mheath | *DVD |
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| 18:21.56 | bonez39 | greetings |
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| 18:26.40 | bonez39 | am I on? |
| 18:27.14 | bonez39 | can anyone see what I am typing? |
| 18:30.57 | nick125_lappy | no |
| 18:32.23 | bonez39 | nick125 thanks for saying so, Nick |
| 18:32.31 | nick125_lappy | hehe :) |
| 18:33.16 | bonez39 | been setting up xp pro on this box..while I wait for an updated BIOS chip...for my linux box..... |
| 18:33.35 | bonez39 | seems like forever....waiting for the shipment...... |
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| 18:34.30 | bonez39 | I tried to download putty so I could securely connect to my machine at home....using ssh, but for some reason I can't get putty.exe to run on this xp pro machine |
| 18:34.40 | bonez39 | anyone know another good utility like putty? |
| 18:37.28 | bonez39 | I CAN'T be the only one here to use putty |
| 18:37.30 | bonez39 | can I? |
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| 19:10.22 | macnewbold | missed him. If bonez39 comes back, you might suggest that he make sure he's got the putty.exe for the right architecture (i.e. 32 vs 64 bit), and that it downloaded properly. |
| 19:10.46 | macnewbold | otherwise, cygwin ssh is another option |
| 19:49.27 | mheath | Hmm. New Windows Vista setup is much slower, but far more intuative. |
| 19:49.54 | mheath | Granted, the copy from/to places are the same drive. Maybe thats why its so much slower |
| 19:50.02 | mheath | I have the DVD virtually mounted |
| 19:54.38 | macnewbold | installation can get even slower than XP? ouch |
| 19:55.07 | macnewbold | copying to same drive should probably still be almost as fast as copying from a DVD drive I would think |
| 19:59.54 | mheath | I wonder if I'm actually using the new GUI framework yet. Halfway through the install.. |
| 20:00.18 | mheath | I upgraded from XP, so obviously the first stage was just simulating the new GUI ontop of the XP framework |
| 20:00.43 | mheath | macnewbold, yeah.....Its pretty slow. |
| 20:01.01 | mheath | Been going at it about 20 minutes now, and its only about 15% done, I'd say. |
| 20:01.08 | macnewbold | yikes |
| 20:01.46 | mheath | Hard to tell. It only gives a percentage number for the individual sections....Theres only a bar for overall progress. I'm estimating the 15%. |
| 20:02.05 | mheath | Copying Windows files, Gathering files, Expanding files, Installing features and updates, Completing upgrade. |
| 20:02.24 | mheath | Maybe it's faster if you do a direct install. I'm doing an upgrade. |
| 20:03.17 | macnewbold | you're a brave soul |
| 20:03.25 | mheath | And, granted, windows progress bars are notoriously dumb |
| 20:03.27 | macnewbold | I hope you made a backup first :) |
| 20:04.17 | mheath | macnewbold, Nothing to backup. Its really a clean install, I just had to install Windows XP first because I don't have a DVD drive to burn the Vista CD (microsoft never mailed me my hard copy) so I had to virtually mount the DVD and do an upgrade. |
| 20:04.33 | macnewbold | ah |
| 20:04.34 | macnewbold | okay |
| 20:04.44 | macnewbold | hey, while I'm at it, |
| 20:04.50 | macnewbold | since you're going to be in school, |
| 20:04.57 | macnewbold | you probably ought to check out www.gradefix.com |
| 20:05.14 | macnewbold | it's a really great (and cheap/free) tool for school |
| 20:05.34 | mheath | macnewbold, cool. I've actually been trying to find something like that. |
| 20:05.40 | mheath | I'm a bad procrastinator, I'm afraid. |
| 20:05.41 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 20:05.45 | macnewbold | hehe, this will help a lot |
| 20:05.53 | macnewbold | makes terrible amounts of homework feel much more manageable |
| 20:06.00 | mheath | I think the fact that I tend to test very, very, very well is the only thing that made me make it through highschool with a halfway decent GPA. |
| 20:06.04 | macnewbold | lowers stress, improves retention and test scores, etc |
| 20:06.12 | macnewbold | great |
| 20:06.29 | mheath | Why does the "Install Windows" box have an X in the corner? |
| 20:06.35 | mheath | What happens if I close it out? :P |
| 20:06.41 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 20:06.47 | nick125_lappy | you could try it.... |
| 20:06.55 | mheath | No, thanks. This installation setup is really precarious. |
| 20:07.02 | mheath | I don't have a hard DVD to restart the install from |
| 20:07.13 | mheath | I'd have to reinstall XP, redownload the ISO, virtually mount it, and start again. |
| 20:07.29 | mheath | Though it's supposedly copied everything to the hard drive already. |
| 20:07.48 | mheath | I'm hoping it will let me run Aero Glass. It claims I don't have enough RAM |
| 20:07.59 | mheath | (have 512, it wants 1GB) |
| 20:08.08 | mheath | Though others have told me it will run fine |
| 20:09.08 | mheath | OK, now its up to about 25% done. |
| 20:09.47 | mheath | And, like all good Microsoft progress bars, it just jumped to about 40%. |
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| 20:10.39 | mheath | When will it complete? Will it stall at 5%, then jump to 90%? Or spend an eternity slowly adding on? With Microsoft, imagine where your progress bar can take you. |
| 20:13.51 | mheath | Please wait a moment while Windows prepares to start for the first time. |
| 20:14.03 | Sargun | lol |
| 20:14.11 | mheath | And it just keeps adding dots. |
| 20:14.18 | mheath | This is the even more unknown progress bar |
| 20:14.28 | mheath | how man dots will it add before its done? It could fill up the whole screen for all I know. |
| 20:14.57 | mheath | Please wait a moment while Windows prepares to start for the first time......................................................................................................................................................................................... |
| 20:15.03 | Sargun | ............. |
| 20:15.51 | mheath | And now, a black screen with "Windows Vista (TM) RC1 Evaluation Copy" in the corner. |
| 20:16.24 | mheath | And now Windows points and laugh and says "Hahah! Just kidding - we weren't starting Windows for the first time, we're just going back to more of the install." |
| 20:17.03 | mheath | Now we'll leave you to sit for hours with the vague description that we're "Completing upgrade". Enjoy |
| 20:17.29 | mheath | If this always runs this slow, I'm going to kill someone. ARGH. |
| 20:17.53 | nick125_lappy | I bet a full stage1 gentoo install doesn't even take that long! |
| 20:18.40 | mheath | ...and wonders how old he'll be before he gets to see this on his own computer |
| 20:21.23 | mheath | "Mike, welcome to your computer" |
| 20:21.28 | mheath | Well, thank you. Thank you, very much. |
| 20:21.47 | nick125_lappy | it finally installed? |
| 20:22.08 | mheath | No. |
| 20:22.14 | nick125_lappy | Aw |
| 20:22.16 | mheath | I was looking at screenshots. |
| 20:22.27 | mheath | The welcome center will say "Mike, welcome to your computer" |
| 20:23.38 | mheath | nick125_lappy, the progress bar shows it at about 75%, give or take. |
| 20:25.09 | mheath | The startup screen is plainer |
| 20:25.22 | mheath | just the progress/scroll bar thingy, and a copyright notice. No logo like in Windows XP |
| 20:27.36 | mheath | Still at about 75%. |
| 20:31.07 | mheath | It's restarted 4 times now. |
| 20:36.45 | mheath | Smart, meet beautiful. Browse with control and confidence. Family safety settings. Make face-to-face meetings more productive. Quickly find anything. The most secure Windows(R) to date. Information and tasks at your fingertips. Share a moment, capture a memory. Be the director. |
| 20:36.52 | mheath | Advertisement phrases. |
| 20:37.06 | mheath | Why do they always advertise "The most secure Windows(R) to date"? |
| 20:37.18 | mheath | "That's right - this system doesn't suck as bad as Windows 95 did!" |
| 20:40.23 | mheath | Ooh. Its done. Kind of. |
| 20:41.09 | mheath | They now use an "O" shaped symbol with light racing around it to show busy. |
| 20:43.47 | mheath | Security seems to be better. |
| 20:44.07 | mheath | Doesn't let random applications do admin things. Pops up with a "Windows needs your permission to continue" dialog |
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| 20:48.01 | mheath | Well, other than being insanely slow, it's rather nice. |
| 21:15.09 | levi_home | Heh, the nastiness of C and C++ continues to be explored on PLUG. |
| 21:16.50 | levi_home | mheath: Have you got it installed now, then? |
| 21:16.59 | levi_home | Or are you just commenting on the slowness of the installer? |
| 21:18.06 | mheath | Its installed. |
| 21:19.59 | levi_home | So, Vista itself seems slower than XP? |
| 21:20.56 | mheath | levi_home, very, very much so. |
| 21:21.03 | mheath | Granted, the system requirements for vista are much higher |
| 21:21.09 | mheath | and my RAM falls far below what Vista wants. |
| 21:21.20 | levi_home | Huh. How much RAM is required? |
| 21:21.37 | mheath | 1GB is the recommended for my system, I think. |
| 21:21.46 | levi_home | You have less than 1GB? |
| 21:21.46 | mheath | I have 512, but 128 is for the video |
| 21:21.53 | levi_home | Oh, ouch. |
| 21:22.29 | levi_home | Well, this will make Steve Jobs happy, since OS X is pretty darn speedy on x86 boxes now. |
| 21:23.17 | mheath | Its weird too...elements of the OS are completely revamped from XP...new look and file......But then you frequently stumble on something that hasn't been changed at all.. Makes you feel like Microsoft was just being lazy |
| 21:23.23 | levi_home | Anyway, yay for me, I have an alphabeta search routine working. |
| 21:24.13 | mheath | haha |
| 21:24.18 | mheath | Control panel has load time now :( |
| 21:24.22 | mheath | has a loading status bar |
| 21:24.35 | levi_home | Yuck. |
| 21:25.16 | levi_home | I've also got a working tic-tac-toe game; at least it is working inasmuch as the computer plays itself and gets a draw. |
| 21:25.31 | mheath | The Alt-Tab switcher is fairly normal (added transparency and such) but theres another variant you can access by clicking on an icon on the taskbar..... |
| 21:25.42 | mheath | Gives a little 3D presentation of all the windows |
| 21:26.19 | levi_home | Now, I need to work on plugging the alphabeta searcher into a chess context. |
| 21:26.29 | mheath | OK, let's see what XChat thinks of Vista. |
| 21:28.11 | mheath | hahaha |
| 21:28.17 | mheath | Put it down! You don't know where it's been! |
| 21:28.26 | elg | so far I've learned vista is slower than XP |
| 21:28.32 | mheath | "Don't run the program unless you know where it's from" |
| 21:28.34 | elg | i could have expected as much |
| 21:28.50 | mheath | AN unidentified program wants access to your computer! xchat-2.6.4-1[1].exe |
| 21:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It was downloaded from the internet |
| 21:29.13 | mheath | -> Cancel. I don't know where this program is from or what it's for. |
| 21:29.13 | brac | fine |
| 21:29.15 | elg | from a tube, not a truck |
| 21:29.17 | levi_home | OS X versions generally get faster. Gnome versions are getting faster. Only Windows gets slower with time. |
| 21:29.22 | nick125_lappy | elg: haha |
| 21:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, in the setup file's ADS, it set a marker for the file, noting it as "from the internet" |
| 21:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence the warning |
| 21:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | XPSP2 does the same thing |
| 21:29.52 | mheath | User Account Control helps stop unauthorized changes to your computer. |
| 21:29.56 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: its more like getting more bloated with time |
| 21:30.05 | mheath | WTF?! |
| 21:30.09 | nick125_lappy | how many DVDs is vista coming with? |
| 21:30.12 | mheath | You didn't click OK fast enough |
| 21:30.24 | nick125_lappy | 2-3? |
| 21:30.24 | mheath | So I'm just going to assume you don't want this large .exe you spent a lot of time downloading |
| 21:30.25 | ScytheBlade1 | One |
| 21:30.34 | mheath | I'll just go ahead and close this dialog box without you doing anything, mmmk? |
| 21:30.42 | elg | mheath: I can't imagine what microsoft would come up with that would warrant that much surprise from you |
| 21:30.43 | mheath | Because I'm an advanced, intuitive, secure operating system! |
| 21:30.45 | nick125_lappy | ScytheBlade1: oh, they must use compression or dual-layer DVDs |
| 21:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Compression. |
| 21:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | OSX ships on a single DVD. |
| 21:30.59 | mheath | elg, I'm seriously ticked off now |
| 21:31.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Has a few GB of HP printer drivers |
| 21:31.03 | nick125_lappy | the base install of vista is what? 7GB? |
| 21:31.07 | mheath | It just closed a dialog box because I didn't click OK fast enough. |
| 21:31.10 | mheath | nick125_lappy, let me check. |
| 21:31.21 | elg | mheath: but are you surprised? |
| 21:31.26 | elg | that it ticked you off? |
| 21:31.28 | nick125_lappy | mheath: I heard it was 6.5GB or suc |
| 21:31.30 | nick125_lappy | *such |
| 21:31.31 | elg | I wouldn't be. |
| 21:31.33 | levi_home | elg: I started proofreading your stuff last night, but my AI program demanded all my time. |
| 21:31.34 | mheath | 45.7 GB free of 55.8 GB |
| 21:31.39 | mheath | after a fresh install |
| 21:31.45 | elg | no problem. I was pretty careful |
| 21:31.55 | nick125_lappy | that sounds about....right |
| 21:31.59 | mheath | So, 10.1 GB |
| 21:32.17 | Sargun | Does anyone have an stunnel binary for Mac OS X? |
| 21:32.21 | mheath | 10.1 GB hard drives were unheard of during the majority of my life. |
| 21:32.23 | mheath | This is scary. |
| 21:32.33 | levi_home | I don't like 'one-to-one', though, as it makes me think of one-to-one correspondence, which it is not. |
| 21:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have a problem with the base install, don't use it. |
| 21:32.57 | mheath | gotta make sure I click "OK" fast enough! |
| 21:33.01 | elg | a function is one-to-one if for every element in the domain the function maps to a unique element in the codomain (range) |
| 21:33.01 | mheath | Better be paying attention! |
| 21:33.19 | nick125_lappy | some "experts" are saying that people are much better off to keep using XP |
| 21:33.27 | elg | I assume by one-to-one correspondence you're thinking of a bijection. I have heard that before, but what is the context? |
| 21:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | FUD, FUD, and more FUD |
| 21:33.35 | mheath | I thought this was neat when I first started it up |
| 21:33.40 | mheath | "Oh, look at the new security features" |
| 21:34.24 | elg | Sargun: darwinports has it. if you need I could build it |
| 21:34.26 | mheath | But every time I turn around...Oh, this program needs your permission to run. This program needs your permission to do this. This program needs your permission to access the hard drive. This program needs your permission to install an application. Do you really want to download this file? Do you really want to run it? Are you SURE you want to run it? |
| 21:34.30 | elg | who knows what libs it would depend on though |
| 21:34.37 | Sargun | I need it for a friend |
| 21:34.47 | elg | mheath: sounds like windows is taking its lessons from TSA |
| 21:34.49 | Sargun | stunnel to run on his Mac OS X (PPC) |
| 21:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, XP does the exact same thing. |
| 21:34.55 | elg | are you sure you want to fly today? |
| 21:34.57 | mheath | YES, I WANT TO INSTALL THE PROGRAM. THATS WHY I CLICKED ON setup.exe! Thanks, Microsoft, for keeping my computer SECURE. |
| 21:34.57 | Sargun | Do we have to compile it statically? |
| 21:35.02 | nick125_lappy | mheath: you eventually give up and tell it no, which means its so much more secure |
| 21:35.02 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, no, not on this level. |
| 21:35.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, at that level. |
| 21:35.12 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I can't run a program without having 2 security warnings pop up. |
| 21:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | You apparently never used XP as a guest account, like you should. |
| 21:35.25 | nick125_lappy | its so secure not even YOU can use it! |
| 21:35.30 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, That includes programs on the start menu. Installed programs. |
| 21:35.31 | levi_home | one-to-one = injective, IIRC, and onto = surjective |
| 21:35.44 | elg | that sounds right |
| 21:35.49 | levi_home | elg: I like those terms better, since they are unambiguous. |
| 21:35.54 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, Downloading and choosing to *run* a program produces a total of 6 security warning boxes. |
| 21:35.56 | elg | and impossible to remember. ;) |
| 21:36.03 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, on XP, it produces 1. |
| 21:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | If you insist |
| 21:36.22 | elg | levi_home: where is this one-to-one=bijection idea from? it's driving me nuts that I can't remember |
| 21:36.49 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, It's insane. Double layers of security in EVERYTHING I do |
| 21:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I personally think you should try a fully-patched XPSP2 install with IE6 as a guest account |
| 21:37.01 | mheath | I'm half expecting it to say "Are you sure you want to move the mouse one pixel?" |
| 21:37.09 | mheath | Or |
| 21:37.24 | mheath | "An application (MOUSEDRIVER.SYS) is trying to move the mouse. Would you like to allow it to do this?" |
| 21:37.33 | Sargun | elg, I have my sister ancient iBook, how can I compile it? |
| 21:37.37 | Sargun | I have xCode. |
| 21:37.51 | nick125_lappy | mheath: thats the next version of windows |
| 21:37.55 | elg | http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ |
| 21:38.03 | levi_home | elg: one-to-one correspondence is another name for bijection. Without 'correspondence', it's injection. |
| 21:38.06 | elg | install darwinports, then do "sudo port install stunnel" |
| 21:38.21 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, don't like it, don't use it. I'll be buying a copy when it comes out, however. |
| 21:38.40 | Sargun | http://www.macports.org/darwinports/dports/security/stunnel/Portfile :-/ |
| 21:38.40 | mheath | nick125_lappy, You mean OMG THIS IS GOING TO BE THE COOLEST VERSION OF WINDOWS UNTIL WE GET LAZY AND DROP OFF ALL THE FEATURES BETA RC1++++ CODENAME BUILD 2700?! |
| 21:38.44 | elg | levi_home: oh. I don't like that at all. couldn't one argue that onto is also a correspondence? |
| 21:38.54 | elg | and one to one injection? |
| 21:38.56 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: yeah |
| 21:39.21 | levi_home | elg: I don't know, but that's why I initially found one-to-one confusing. |
| 21:39.52 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, let me give you an example |
| 21:39.56 | levi_home | I thought, isn't one-to-one already onto? And then I realized that I was thinking of one-to-one correspondence rather than just one-to-one. |
| 21:40.01 | mheath | Say you install X-chat on Windows XP |
| 21:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, okay. |
| 21:40.10 | mheath | And click on the shortcut in your start menu |
| 21:40.14 | mheath | It will just run, right? |
| 21:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 21:40.52 | levi_home | Vista heard he was talking smack about it, and took him out. |
| 21:41.01 | levi_home | Better watch what you say about Vista. |
| 21:41.06 | elg | hehe |
| 21:41.18 | elg | I really don't see where he gets off being surprised |
| 21:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So yeah, thanks to that comment, I can't stop laughing. |
| 21:41.21 | elg | what does one expect? |
| 21:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | He's never run as a guest in XP/2000 |
| 21:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And it shows |
| 21:41.43 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: now thats microsoft innovation! |
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| 21:41.54 | mheath | agh. |
| 21:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, tried to run (any non-microsoft product under the sun) as a guest user on XP/2000? |
| 21:42.36 | mheath | OK, heres a better example |
| 21:42.50 | mheath | Connecting to IRC |
| 21:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I can promise you that you'd have more rings to jump through that Vista will ever even provide you |
| 21:43.03 | mheath | First time, it produces the typical Windows firewall thing. |
| 21:43.08 | mheath | I click unblock. |
| 21:43.11 | nick125_lappy | what about a guest account on vista? |
| 21:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125_lappy, same thing. However, mheath is running as admin with vista's user protection mode enabled. |
| 21:43.42 | mheath | I am an administrator user: on Windows XP, it will just know that I did INDEED attend to disable firewalling for xchat, hence the reason I clicked on "Disable" |
| 21:43.53 | mheath | But Vista isn't so sure |
| 21:44.05 | mheath | It needs to make sure that The Windows Firewall program, which it started, is genuine |
| 21:44.10 | mheath | So I get another popup |
| 21:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's RC1, it isn't final |
| 21:44.21 | mheath | "Windows needs your permission to continue. If you started this action, continue." |
| 21:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's valid |
| 21:44.34 | mheath | Oops |
| 21:44.40 | mheath | I was too busy typing on this other computer |
| 21:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Because otherwise, "evil apps" could request the same thing |
| 21:44.49 | mheath | It assumed I didn't want to run this program |
| 21:44.56 | mheath | and just closed out everything. |
| 21:45.17 | Sargun | elg, can you statically compile an image? |
| 21:45.23 | Sargun | or would that be too much work? |
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| 21:45.27 | elg | i don't know how |
| 21:45.31 | Sargun | ergle. |
| 21:45.34 | Sargun | because she has 10.1 |
| 21:45.35 | mheath[laptop] | It is rediculous. |
| 21:45.40 | elg | but if you figure out how to do it with darwinports I'll be happy to help out |
| 21:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], not when you look at what is actually happening behind the scenes. |
| 21:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The first firewall popup you got was, for lack of a better work, user mode |
| 21:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Pure user interface |
| 21:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You clicked sure, unblock, so then it switched modes and tried to actually do something |
| 21:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Now imagine a virus gets on your system |
| 21:46.53 | elg | darwinports doesn't work on 10.1? |
| 21:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | If it wasn't for that *second* popup question, asking you when the API call hits the system, any virus could screw with anything with ease |
| 21:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly as it can currently with XP administrator |
| 21:48.12 | mheath[laptop] | ScytheBlade1, SELINUX offers the same protections, yet is easily configurable to know when you, as a freakin user, initiated the action. |
| 21:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No, not quite. |
| 21:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Your current setup, you're running as administrator. aka root. |
| 21:49.46 | mheath | Wow. Bluescreen! |
| 21:49.52 | mheath | I haven't seen one of those in ages |
| 21:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Bluescreen is recoverable. |
| 21:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Redscreen isn't. |
| 21:50.16 | Sargun | lol |
| 21:50.24 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, it bluescreens every time I try to hibernate. |
| 21:50.33 | mheath | Or go into suspend |
| 21:50.35 | mheath | Or shutdown |
| 21:50.37 | mheath | Or restart |
| 21:50.39 | Sargun | hahahah |
| 21:50.54 | mheath | I'm using the RC1, not the beta |
| 21:51.16 | mheath | Which means that, given the naming convention, they are considering releasing this, as is, to the public |
| 21:51.40 | mheath | I could pay hundreds of dollars for bloated software that doesn't trust me to make my own security decisions, which doesn't allow me to even turn off my computer. |
| 21:52.16 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I should let you know, I tried this out in good faith |
| 21:52.17 | albino_ | mheath: Or you could use linux and join hundreds of other people who have found something better |
| 21:52.25 | mheath | It wasn't "Lets see how much windows vista sucks" |
| 21:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, and your good faith died in fifteen minutes. Not a lot of faith there |
| 21:52.41 | mheath | It was "wow, that actually looks pretty cool...lets give it a trie" |
| 21:52.43 | mheath | *try |
| 21:53.16 | nick125_lappy | mheath: well, its windows. its designed for the newbie users that need the operating system to protect the user from the user |
| 21:53.30 | mheath | It sucks. I hate it. The GUI is insanely bloated, especially considering that I can produce the same effects with XGL+Compiz, and have it run 20% faster. |
| 21:53.42 | mheath | 20X* |
| 21:54.33 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, want to know what scares me the most? |
| 21:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm? |
| 21:54.43 | mheath | You know the default wallpaper now, with the lake and the rocky hill? |
| 21:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 21:55.13 | mheath | It's a higher resolution copy of a picture I vividly remember being included in a set of Microsoft Windows 95 wallpapers. |
| 21:55.20 | mheath | Came with Microsoft Windows 95 Plus! |
| 21:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh. |
| 21:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd still suggest you try to work as a guest user on XP. |
| 21:55.54 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I have before! |
| 21:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll find it somewhat worse than your experiences with vista. |
| 21:56.00 | mheath | I'm IRCing from a guest user right now! |
| 21:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Have you ever touched the administrator account? |
| 21:58.18 | mheath | Yes. |
| 21:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it all you do from that computer is word process and IRC? |
| 21:59.11 | ScytheBlade1 | *processing |
| 21:59.22 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, what gave that away? The "Intel Pentium 3/451.00MHz"? :P |
| 21:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Use OpenOffice? |
| 21:59.46 | mheath | Nah. Its a capable system, actually. I had full XP on it for a while, but that got unbarable...not its custom moded with XPLite. |
| 21:59.50 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, Yes. |
| 22:00.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://boredom.brantleyonline.com/?p=32 |
| 22:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you really start to use windows |
| 22:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You come across things like that |
| 22:02.55 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, Keep in mind, I'm 17. I was in my early teens when XP came out |
| 22:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm 18. |
| 22:03.05 | mheath | Back then, I wasn't allowed to really touch or admin the computers |
| 22:03.16 | mheath | I had a limited account. |
| 22:03.29 | mheath | Constantly having to deal with my games never working and never installing, nothing working properly |
| 22:03.36 | mheath | Security things wouldn't ever let me do the things I wanted to |
| 22:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, good. |
| 22:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | As it should be |
| 22:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 22:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Not how I meant it ;) |
| 22:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Limited users and guest accounts is how it should be |
| 22:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I was waiting for that. |
| 22:06.40 | mheath | Vista isn't even useable, unless I go out and buy about $50 worth of RAM. |
| 22:06.40 | macnewbold | Welcome to Vista, Mike! |
| 22:06.52 | mheath | At idle, it's using 89% of my RAM. |
| 22:07.24 | mheath | Ubuntu, with Gnome (which I consider excessive), and Open Office running uses around 50%. |
| 22:07.29 | macnewbold | they must have some deal with Intel, Dell, and the rest, so that they get a cut of the increased sales caused by forcing people to upgrade |
| 22:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't it the same way with XP? |
| 22:07.52 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, no. XP doesn't use NEARLY as much. |
| 22:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | When it came out. |
| 22:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't XP using 89% of people's RAM when idle? |
| 22:08.31 | macnewbold | mine doesn't |
| 22:08.35 | macnewbold | doh |
| 22:08.41 | macnewbold | guess he got offended |
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| 22:10.24 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, CTCP Version me again. This computer doesn't run Windows XP nearly as poorly as my new laptop runs Windows Vista. |
| 22:12.34 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, and, FYI, my laptop was marketed as "Vista Capable". |
| 22:12.39 | mheath | Has a sticker on it and everything. |
| 22:12.45 | mheath | Vista runs like crap. |
| 22:12.48 | nick125_lappy | I ripped that sticker off |
| 22:13.08 | mheath | (I did too, but I didn't see that as being particularly relevant to mention) |
| 22:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe when I care enough, I'll write a big long post on the matter. |
| 22:14.23 | mheath | I just find Windows XP to be much cleaner and neater. |
| 22:14.32 | mheath | Its entirely compatible with Vista. Even the drivers are. |
| 22:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm done with that topic for now. |
| 22:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | End of story. |
| 22:15.24 | mheath | It costs less, runs better. Vista just strikes me as "Oooh, lets add THIS worthless feature to try to impress on people that this REALLY IS BETTER!" |
| 22:18.12 | elg | levi_home: do you know what U means when used like Sigma is for summation? |
| 22:18.40 | elg | A student is using it in an inductive mathematical proof and I don't know what she's doing |
| 22:18.57 | levi_home | elg: A union, perhaps? |
| 22:19.11 | levi_home | Aside from that guess, I don't know. |
| 22:19.16 | elg | in latex syntax: "U_1^{i=n} k^i = \frac{k^{i+1}-1}{k1} is true for i=0" |
| 22:20.00 | elg | that's what I thought but I'm not sure how union would make sense |
| 22:20.49 | levi_home | Hmm, I don't know either. |
| 22:21.03 | levi_home | Maybe findlay would have some idea, or maybe the student was just making stuff up. |
| 22:21.31 | levi_home | Alas, my math-fu is weak. |
| 22:21.42 | elg | i think she's just completely confused, but I don't want to mark her down based on my own ignorance if it's a real notation |
| 22:23.49 | levi_home | Perhaps you could mark her down, but leave a note saying you didn't understand and have her come explain it. |
| 22:24.06 | elg | I think she's using it as a summation |
| 22:24.53 | levi_home | What did you use to draw your automata? |
| 22:25.20 | elg | graphviz |
| 22:26.02 | levi_home | Ahh, nifty. |
| 22:26.51 | elg | niftier if I could get a double ellipse (you can do double circle, but then it looks funny) |
| 22:26.51 | elg | and sometimes the auto layout does a really terrible job |
| 22:26.53 | elg | but usually it works out |
| 22:27.23 | elg | subscripts and superscripts would be nice, too, as well as greek symbols like epsilon |
| 22:27.40 | levi_home | Maybe next Summer of Code? ;) |
| 22:27.49 | elg | maybe :) |
| 22:28.22 | elg | although collaborative whiteboard is higher on my list of cool things the world needs |
| 22:28.41 | levi_home | Yes, that would be cool, too. |
| 22:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:28.55 | levi_home | I'm sure some exist, just not free ones. |
| 22:29.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, there you go. |
| 22:29.09 | ScytheBlade1 | netmeeting on windows |
| 22:29.46 | levi_home | Actually, I think there are probably ones that have existed and worked over IRC channels. |
| 22:30.14 | elg | yes, I should have included the words free and relevant |
| 22:30.23 | elg | inkscape has one buried in the menus somewhere I think |
| 22:30.37 | elg | but that's not relevant - who had inkscape installed and running just to jot down a few ideas? |
| 22:30.51 | elg | it needs to work either in a web interface or over jabber and/or irc |
| 22:31.11 | elg | and cross-platform is part of relevant |
| 22:31.19 | levi_home | Tangentially, do you know if there's a video layer for jabber? |
| 22:35.24 | elg | i don't know |
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| 22:38.43 | roscivs | Does anybody know of an apache log file analyzer (that will give me pretty charts and graphs) that I can just run on a directory full of log files? |
| 22:38.56 | roscivs | All the ones I've been able to find are meant to be installed on the same server as apache and run automatically, |
| 22:39.08 | roscivs | I just want to run the analyzer on log files I've downloaded from a remote server. |
| 22:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | awstats |
| 22:43.58 | roscivs | tried that, can't figure out how to get it to run on log files I've downloaded ... |
| 22:44.11 | roscivs | it seems like it's meant to be installed on the apache server and run as a cronjob, |
| 22:44.17 | roscivs | not for me to just run it manually on a dozen files. |
| 22:44.29 | roscivs | but if you can help me figure out how, that's cool too :-) |
| 22:44.53 | mheath | Well, it was guaranteed, but this is still exciting. "Congratulations! You have been accepted at Weber State University effective Spring 2007. Your current standing is Good in undergraduate study." |
| 22:45.53 | roscivs | Basically I just want a graph that says how much traffic my site gets per day |
| 22:46.06 | roscivs | seems like that'd be rather easy to do ... |
| 22:48.15 | macnewbold | roscivs: webalizer will do it for you, and so will analog |
| 22:48.35 | roscivs | thanks macnewbold, trying webalizer now |
| 22:48.57 | macnewbold | it's what I use |
| 22:49.02 | macnewbold | I like it pretty well |
| 22:49.09 | roscivs | right now it's telling me: Error: Can't open log file logs/access.log.current |
| 22:49.17 | macnewbold | check permissions? |
| 22:49.20 | macnewbold | or paths? |
| 22:49.26 | roscivs | cat logs/access.log.current works |
| 22:49.32 | macnewbold | what's in your conf file? |
| 22:49.39 | roscivs | .... conf file? |
| 22:49.59 | roscivs | can't I just give it a command-line argument? |
| 22:50.01 | macnewbold | probably |
| 22:50.12 | roscivs | /etc/webalizer.conf is just the default |
| 22:50.14 | macnewbold | at least send HostName LogFile and OutputDir |
| 22:50.40 | macnewbold | ~s/send/set/ |
| 22:50.47 | macnewbold | s/send/set |
| 22:50.53 | macnewbold | c'mon, ibot? |
| 22:51.01 | macnewbold | where's a little help when I need it |
| 22:51.15 | macnewbold | s/little/lotta/ |
| 22:51.20 | macnewbold | sure, now you'll cooperate |
| 22:52.36 | roscivs | same error, can't open log file |
| 22:52.50 | roscivs | hm. even when I run as root. |
| 22:57.42 | macnewbold | check the path, maybe you're telling it the wrong file/path? |
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| 23:54.22 | tristanbob | have you seen this site? http://www.ohloh.net/ "mapping the open source world by collecting objective information on open source software" |
