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| 00:23.49 | EpP | hey i have quit a dilemma. Anyone know anything aobut LED signs? |
| 00:24.08 | EpP | like programming them |
| 00:29.47 | EpP | A guy is going to give me $1000 if i can "hack"/reprogram our works led sign. |
| 00:30.13 | macnewbold | what tools do you have available? |
| 00:30.30 | macnewbold | what kind of sign is it, how is it programmed now, and how do they want it programmed/hacked? |
| 00:33.12 | EpP | macnewbold, I just need to chage the message on it... I got a look at the program.. its called prismXPmain.. or prismXP"something". But I think its controlled by ftp because i saw something about port 21... and ip address 192.168.0.50. It connect through an ethernet |
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| 00:37.24 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.42 | elg | then you could resume windows for a few minutes at a time (or leave it running all the time) and not have to dual-boot |
| 00:38.11 | Tene | elg: it's a swedish or finnish sweet break that my father makes |
| 00:38.15 | Tene | Finnish, I think |
| 00:38.23 | elg | nifty |
| 00:38.37 | Tene | Called "Poulla" or something, unsure of spelling as I've only heard it, never seen it written |
| 00:39.02 | elg | one day I want to get up the gumption to try this danish rugbroed http://groups.google.com/group/rec.food.sourdough/msg/762fb595e77c900e |
| 00:39.06 | Tene | the presentation is nifty, too. He braids three pieces of dough, then puts poppy seeds on top |
| 00:39.51 | EpP | pretty sure its a yesco |
| 00:40.06 | EpP | I cant find the software though. |
| 00:40.59 | elg | so what are the best cd burning softwares these days? gui front ends I mean |
| 00:41.08 | elg | and do any of them make audio CDs from ogg/mp3? |
| 00:41.52 | Tene | cdrecord |
| 00:41.59 | Tene | >.> |
| 00:42.21 | Tene | I think KDE and Gnome both have one built into the filemanager that can do that, actually |
| 00:42.22 | elg | nein. the cdrecord fork, bless their souls |
| 00:44.22 | elg | wodim |
| 00:47.00 | Tene | midow? |
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| 01:05.49 | mrpull-v | this is an uncommonly cool hotel |
| 01:06.48 | mrpull-v | http://flickr.com/photos/73737787@N00/53661486/ is a pretty close approximation of the view from my room |
| 01:09.27 | EpP | so noone has to use a led sign at their work |
| 01:09.29 | EpP | ? |
| 01:44.26 | emcnabb | mrpull-v: I was born close to Indianapolis |
| 01:45.32 | emcnabb | what are you there for? |
| 01:52.27 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 01:53.59 | vontrapp | yay for vpn! |
| 01:54.02 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:54.04 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 01:58.09 | mrpull-v | emcnabb: business |
| 02:10.03 | mrpull-v | emcnabb: are you familiar with the Columbia Club? |
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| 02:15.50 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 02:17.20 | Sargun | Hello levi |
| 02:17.28 | Sargun | What is up man? |
| 02:20.53 | mheath | ....wow. |
| 02:21.50 | levi_home | Pondering doing my chess program in SML instead of OCaml. |
| 02:22.18 | mheath | I'm almost done setting up this system :) |
| 02:23.42 | mheath | Nice to know I installed everything myself, starting with a gcc toolchain bootstrap |
| 02:25.39 | levi_home | I'm glad you got a sense of accomplishment from it. |
| 02:26.48 | mheath | Not really a sense of accomplishment. I just enjoyed doing it. |
| 02:26.59 | mheath | This is my tinkering system. A system to hand tune and play around with. |
| 02:27.16 | mheath | I enjoyed playing with Linux at first, because I did a lot of that originally |
| 02:27.27 | mheath | I kind of lost sight of that with the easy-to-use, one-click-installation Linux desktop distribution |
| 02:27.32 | mheath | Lost a lot of my enjoyment and interest |
| 02:28.41 | levi_home | Oh my. 'Wife swap' is drifting in from the other room. What insane people. |
| 02:29.43 | levi_home | One family is totally obsessed with pirates, and living a totally chaotic life. The other family is hyper-organized and totally anal. |
| 02:30.18 | levi_home | By totally obsessed with pirates, I mean they go around saying Arrr! all the time and talk about living a piratical life. |
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| 02:30.41 | mrpull-v | levi_home: MNF is on. It's not too late to change the channel. |
| 02:31.00 | levi_home | mrpull-v: My wife is watching in the other room. |
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| 02:32.01 | mrpull-v | it's not too late to find a wife that will watch football instead of wifeswap (call ABC... maybe they can arrange a swap) ;-) |
| 02:32.29 | levi_home | I don't want a wife who wants to watch football. |
| 02:32.35 | levi_home | I hate watching football. |
| 02:33.27 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:33.35 | Sargun | mrpull-v, is it the pirate episode |
| 02:33.39 | Sargun | levi_home, me too |
| 02:33.46 | Sargun | yah |
| 02:33.54 | Sargun | whats the difference? |
| 02:34.57 | mrpull-v | it was a proud moment the other day when my two year old daughter came in the room and made the Dun Dun Da Duuuunn (NFL Football Theme) sound |
| 02:36.31 | Sargun | it would be sad. |
| 02:40.10 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:43.50 | mheath | on to diffutils! |
| 02:46.22 | Sargun | LFS? |
| 02:46.53 | mheath | Sargun: loosely following LFS, yes. |
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| 03:05.33 | elg | can you use an AWT graphics in a swing UI? |
| 03:09.29 | bigdog_ut | elg, you can |
| 03:09.41 | elg | cool. bye bye applet |
| 03:11.54 | levi_home | What are you writing in Java? |
| 03:13.48 | mheath | elg: You can use swing stuff in AWT and AWT stuff in Swing |
| 03:13.51 | mheath | They're all interchangeable |
| 03:14.15 | elg | levi: graphics programs |
| 03:14.27 | mheath | IIRC, Swing is literally just a bunch of AWT stuff. I know that Swing widgets extend from AWT classes. |
| 03:14.28 | elg | he gives us a skeleton applet |
| 03:14.49 | elg | but applets are dumb. I want to write me a little simple UI |
| 03:14.55 | mheath | elg: you can also stick Swing objects in an applet. |
| 03:14.59 | elg | in swing. (i'd use swt but the cs machines don't have swt) |
| 03:15.06 | elg | yeah, but that's no better |
| 03:15.20 | elg | swing itself doesn't get me anything except maybe a point plotting method |
| 03:15.26 | bigdog_ut | elg, check out netbeans...great for ui work |
| 03:15.29 | elg | (awt doesn't have drawPoint. duh) |
| 03:15.35 | mheath | elg: well, I mean, if he wants an applet....you can write a normal Swing app just like you'd normally write, and stick it in a Swing Applet container class rather than a normal window container |
| 03:15.52 | mheath | ew, netbeans |
| 03:15.55 | elg | he doesn't care, he just wants it to work |
| 03:16.00 | mheath | ~praise Eclipse |
| 03:16.05 | ibot | All hail Eclipse! |
| 03:16.14 | elg | he provides the applet doohickey because it's a low barrier to entry |
| 03:16.26 | elg | the class isn't about java or any other language, after all. |
| 03:16.38 | mheath | I've fallen in love with Java, personally |
| 03:16.40 | bigdog_ut | eclipse is nice...swt is okay...but if you are doign swing...netbeans is great |
| 03:16.49 | mheath | I hated it to start with |
| 03:17.06 | elg | It's too verbose, and not dynamic enough for my tastes, but I've always liked it |
| 03:17.10 | mheath | Went into my first java class hating it, with only negative preperceptions |
| 03:17.38 | elg | so, anyone know of a good swing canvas example? |
| 03:17.56 | mheath | bigdog_ut: I like the UI editor plugins for eclipse. Ever given them a try? |
| 03:18.20 | levi_home | I've always been somewhat neutral about Java. It works well enough, but it's on the verbose side and doesn't support higher-order programming particularly well. |
| 03:18.27 | bigdog_ut | yep...all the time |
| 03:18.40 | bigdog_ut | visual editor is nice |
| 03:19.04 | bigdog_ut | higher-order programming...not following ya |
| 03:20.12 | mheath | I don't know what it is about java, but I find it much easier to code in than other languages. |
| 03:20.27 | mheath | Than any other language, infact...the syntax and format just click with my mind very well. |
| 03:20.34 | Sargun | yeah |
| 03:20.37 | Sargun | python is nice too |
| 03:20.40 | Sargun | like java |
| 03:20.43 | Sargun | alot simpler |
| 03:20.50 | Sargun | python is like java + stupiidifcation |
| 03:21.03 | bigdog_ut | or jython it |
| 03:21.16 | mrpull-v | mheath: what was the first language you learned? |
| 03:22.15 | Sargun | english |
| 03:22.20 | mheath | mrpull-v: Basic |
| 03:22.27 | mheath | MS QBasic |
| 03:22.48 | mrpull-v | what was the first language you became and "expert" at? |
| 03:22.53 | mrpull-v | s/and/an/ |
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| 03:23.27 | mheath | mrpull-v: probably Visual Basic. (I can't code in VB now...lack of use, coupled with the fact that almost every language is very, very different syntactically) |
| 03:23.31 | levi_home | Higher-order programming is programming with first-class functions. |
| 03:23.50 | bigdog_ut | and java does not have first-class functions? |
| 03:24.41 | bigdog_ut | cause java is object based lang |
| 03:24.52 | levi_home | No, but you can simulate them with objects. It's awkward, though, so it's not something that's done very often. |
| 03:25.33 | mheath | Meh. Most modern languages are very good. |
| 03:25.37 | mheath | Its just a matter of personal preference. |
| 03:25.49 | levi_home | mheath: Not necessarily. |
| 03:26.16 | bigdog_ut | not sure i would need runtime function creation when i can have a class and pass the instantiated class around |
| 03:26.29 | levi_home | Having a set of 'very good' languages to choose from does not make language selection an arbitrary process. |
| 03:26.34 | mheath | levi_home: Most are. There are some obvious exceptions. But most languages are capable of, in some way or another, capable of expressing everything that every other language can. |
| 03:26.48 | mheath | its a matter of personal preference, when it comes down to it |
| 03:26.59 | mheath | Preference based on interests, project requirements, etc. |
| 03:27.17 | mheath | Arguing about languages is like arguing about what Linux distro to install. |
| 03:27.39 | levi_home | Depends on which languages you're talking about. |
| 03:27.51 | mrpull-v | mheath: you are right. ubuntu is best. |
| 03:28.05 | mheath | Meh. I don't have a Linux distro on here :) |
| 03:28.16 | bigdog_ut | ~lart mrpull-v |
| 03:28.24 | bigdog_ut | gentoo is the distro |
| 03:28.28 | mheath | No. |
| 03:28.31 | levi_home | mheath: How many languages have you studied in-depth, anyway? |
| 03:29.25 | mheath | levi_home: several different syntaxes of Basic, different versions of visual Basic, C, C++, Objective C, C#, Java, and Pascal. |
| 03:29.43 | mheath | I studied Pascal very in-depth, including reading a book on writing a Pascal compiler. |
| 03:30.25 | mheath | Went into LISP / SCHEME a bit |
| 03:31.39 | levi_home | Lisp and Scheme are not written in all-caps anymore; we've had lowercase characters on our glass ttys for several iterations of their definitions now. :P |
| 03:32.13 | mheath | haha |
| 03:32.22 | mheath | I was actually talking about that earlier |
| 03:32.29 | mheath | Talking to my dad about how fast modern computers are.... |
| 03:32.50 | mheath | mentioned that, 30 years ago, computers couldn't even print out the compiling _messages_ as fast as my system is |
| 03:34.06 | levi_home | Yup, computers are fast these days. |
| 03:35.02 | mheath | We were cleaning out a bunch of computer stuff today |
| 03:35.27 | mheath | Finally throwing out a bunch of parts for our Zenith Z-100 computer |
| 03:35.51 | mheath | That computer was awesome |
| 03:36.28 | mheath | levi_home: conincidentally, would you like a copy of Microsoft MS-DOS 2.0 on double density 5.25 disks? Comes with goodies like turbopascal ;-) |
| 03:36.37 | levi_home | Aside from the Basics, all the languages you learned in-depth were of roughly the same syntactic/semantic family. Some of them vary in their OO extensions, and C++ has some unique features, but they're not really very different from one another. |
| 03:36.44 | levi_home | Um, no thanks. |
| 03:37.01 | Tene | Heh, "unique" |
| 03:37.14 | levi_home | Tene: I mean that in a (mostly) good way. |
| 03:37.17 | levi_home | Like templates. |
| 03:37.29 | mheath | levi_home: yeah. I realize that. Thats why I find it interesting that I like Java so much.... |
| 03:37.36 | mheath | I just feel more comfortable with it than any of those languages. |
| 03:37.50 | tensai | elg: k3b is my cd burning gui of choice |
| 03:38.27 | levi_home | mheath: Why would it be surprising that you would like it more? It's familiar, yet has nifty conveniences like garbage collection and a reasonable object hierarchy. |
| 03:39.23 | levi_home | It has also borrowed a lot of nifty implementation technology from Smalltalk. |
| 03:41.08 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/music/2006/Dilvie_-_Authentic_Me.mp3 |
| 03:41.09 | dilvie | comments? |
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| 03:41.24 | mheath | I also really like object oriented representations of...well..._everything_ (you're aware of this :), and Java accomodates that nicely. |
| 03:42.19 | levi_home | mheath: Object-oriented programming allowed for some great advances in program organization and design, but lately I've been underwhelmed by it. |
| 03:43.16 | mheath | levi_home: my personal belief (and, again, you know) is that an object oriented representation of the system itself and all the resources on it makes Object Oriented Programming far more powerful than just working with objects within the application itself. |
| 03:43.26 | Sargun | Owls are awesome. |
| 03:44.02 | mheath | WHY. DO. THEY. KEEP. SENDING. ME. RECRUITING. ADS?! |
| 03:44.08 | mheath | ~lart National Guard |
| 03:44.22 | Sargun | why? |
| 03:44.55 | levi_home | mheath: Well, if you want to see what the world is like when everything is in an object, try firing up Squeak Smalltalk and poking around in it. |
| 03:45.28 | mheath | Because I just got kicked out of the Marine Corps, and feel really, really bad because of it. If the military wasn't such a disorganized, bureacratic piece of crap, they could look in the freakin computer database that SAYS THIS, and not send me ads! |
| 03:47.13 | levi_home | In any case, things are not always most easily represented as objects. And the object-oriented model has repercussions when you delve into things like concurrency and distribution. |
| 03:47.13 | tensai | dilvie: nice. it seemed to end abruptly. |
| 03:49.15 | dilvie | tensai: it's not finished. |
| 03:49.28 | mheath | tensai: how much Japanese do you know? |
| 03:49.30 | tensai | dilvie: that would explain it then :) |
| 03:50.04 | tensai | mheath: was a missionary there for 2 years, so a fair amount. I'm rusty though. |
| 03:50.34 | Sargun | albino, are you really albio |
| 03:51.00 | mheath | tensai: I know next to nothing. Like I said, I'm hoping to come out of college relatively fluent |
| 03:51.03 | mheath | At least, conversational. |
| 03:51.27 | mheath | I used to know basics (shopping basics; how to ask for something, request it.....ask for directions, ask what time of day it was, etc) |
| 03:51.37 | tensai | dilvie: I don't listen to a lot of electronic music, so it took me a minute or so to get adjusted. then I was absorbed and I didn't really even notice it was there. that's why the ending surprised me. |
| 03:51.49 | mheath | I was taking some informal little classes a teacher was doing after school; learning Katakana, and starting to learn some more vocabulary... |
| 03:51.58 | mheath | those classes kind of fell though though |
| 03:52.09 | albino | Sargun: Are you asking if I'm really an albino, or if I'm a dude who has the name albio? |
| 03:52.22 | mheath | tensai: did you learn much kanji? |
| 03:52.39 | tensai | mheath: I used to could read the newspaper |
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| 03:52.58 | tensai | I have a knack for language, especially written |
| 03:53.25 | mheath | I absolutely love Japanese writing. Just, memorizing that many characters will be difficult for me.. |
| 03:53.40 | Sargun | albino, both |
| 03:55.11 | mheath | albino: Don't let Sargun scare you too much. He's some kid who insists on hanging out in here even though he's from California and has no ties to Utah. He's a bit....odd :) |
| 03:55.24 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:55.33 | Sargun | very odd. |
| 03:55.34 | EpP | its true! |
| 03:56.18 | Sargun | and I regularly try sell to sell people VPSes |
| 03:57.08 | EpP | its true! |
| 03:57.26 | elg | sigh. swing graphics doesn't have drawPoint either. what idiocy |
| 03:58.56 | tensai | elg: what are you trying to do? you just want to draw your own points? |
| 03:59.15 | elg | no, just try to draw points without an ugly API glaring me in the face |
| 03:59.23 | elg | you can draw a point with drawRect(x,y,0,0) |
| 03:59.25 | elg | but it's ugly |
| 03:59.29 | albino | Sargun: No I don't have any form of albio or albino in my name, and no I'm not a real albino. It mostly comes from playing soccer about 14 years ago when I had to take my shit off to differentiate myself from the other team and most people considered me to be a lot whiter than normal. |
| 03:59.36 | albino | mheath: good tip |
| 03:59.42 | tensai | elg: what class are you drawing on? |
| 03:59.51 | elg | graphics or graphics2d |
| 04:00.21 | rsimpkins | Hey - who here doesn't have a plug.org account? |
| 04:00.29 | rsimpkins | I wanna know why you aren't signing up. :) |
| 04:00.46 | albino | I don't, cause I've got enough accounts as it is |
| 04:00.46 | EpP | rsimpkins, ill check i tout |
| 04:01.00 | rsimpkins | albino: so, what's one more then? ;) |
| 04:01.30 | rsimpkins | Do you have a blog? If you sign up we syndicate the blog. |
| 04:01.51 | Sargun | albino, we keep language PG-13 here. |
| 04:01.58 | mheath | elg: Remember, AWT and Swing stuff is entirely interchangeable if you use the correct wrapper classes. |
| 04:02.18 | mheath | rsimpkins: because I live in Ogden? |
| 04:02.19 | albino | Sargun: Did I say something non-pg 13 ? |
| 04:02.31 | rsimpkins | mheath: So. |
| 04:02.32 | mheath | Is that a valid excuse to not sign up for the _Provo_ Linux Users Group site? |
| 04:02.35 | elg | mheath: yup, looks like neither has a drawPoint |
| 04:02.42 | rsimpkins | mheath: You should STILL have one. :) |
| 04:02.43 | albino | rsimpkins: eh, too lazy then |
| 04:03.00 | mheath | rsimpkins: how about Sargun? He lives in California and has no connections to Utah. |
| 04:03.33 | albino | Come to think of it this channel should be filled with totally with non-utahns, that way the image of utah can be tarnished |
| 04:04.17 | Sargun | sh** |
| 04:04.36 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:04.43 | Sargun | albino, donde estas? |
| 04:05.08 | elg | tensai: if only java had open classes. :) |
| 04:05.44 | rsimpkins | The rules of PLUG are if you participate you are a member. |
| 04:06.04 | tensai | elg: I know there's a way somehow. the machine with all my code from school is offline, so I can't look at it. |
| 04:06.04 | EpP | rsimpkins, signed |
| 04:06.05 | rsimpkins | If you spend any time in this IRC channel - it might be argued you participate in PLUG. Esspecially if you subscribe to the mailing list. |
| 04:06.39 | elg | this channel isn't plug-centric |
| 04:07.07 | rsimpkins | No, but it might be argued you participate if you spend time here. |
| 04:07.24 | EpP | rsimpkins, activate me |
| 04:07.35 | rsimpkins | working on it. :) |
| 04:07.57 | rsimpkins | done |
| 04:08.08 | EpP | kk |
| 04:08.38 | albino | elg: What's an open class? Is that some .NET thinger? |
| 04:08.58 | elg | ruby is one language that has open classes. |
| 04:09.12 | elg | you could do something like this, if it were part of java: |
| 04:09.37 | elg | class Graphics { public void drawPoint(x,y) { drawRect(x,y,0,0); } } |
| 04:09.54 | elg | et voila |
| 04:11.01 | levi_home | One could also do that sort of thing with a generic function, a la Common Lisp Object System. |
| 04:11.39 | levi_home | Since methods are associated with generic functions rather than classes. |
| 04:12.42 | albino | Hmm, sounds boring to me is that supposed to be special? |
| 04:13.12 | levi_home | I recall there was a more C-like language that allowed extensions of compiled classes by programs, but I can't remember the name. |
| 04:13.29 | Sargun | albino, you a Linux user? |
| 04:14.21 | albino | Sargun: Whenver I can help it, yes |
| 04:14.27 | albino | Sargun: how bout you? |
| 04:14.41 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:14.48 | Sargun | Gentoo Linux 2006.0! |
| 04:14.50 | elg | albino: subclassing just to add one method is boring. open classes are the anti-boring |
| 04:15.00 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, is the server 2006.1? |
| 04:15.15 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: the new one? yeah |
| 04:15.17 | nick125_lappy | IIRC |
| 04:15.22 | Sargun | elg, yeah. |
| 04:15.24 | rsimpkins | Is there anything you guys know of that will make tones on a PC speaker in Linux? |
| 04:15.25 | Sargun | er |
| 04:15.26 | Sargun | albino, |
| 04:15.28 | Sargun | beep |
| 04:15.30 | nick125_lappy | rsimpkins: beep |
| 04:15.33 | mheath | Sargun: you don't run gentoo 2006.0. |
| 04:15.34 | elg | beep |
| 04:15.34 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:15.38 | mheath | You run gentoo. |
| 04:15.43 | Sargun | we bugged the datacenter so much |
| 04:15.49 | mheath | Gentoo is version-less, except for installation profiles. |
| 04:15.54 | rsimpkins | I'll look in to it. :) |
| 04:15.55 | Sargun | Gentoo Base System version 1.12.4 |
| 04:16.05 | Sargun | *stupid me* |
| 04:16.08 | albino | elg: yeah, except for we've had that for years now, so it feels pretty boring to me |
| 04:16.13 | Sargun | mheath, .. |
| 04:16.15 | elg | had what? |
| 04:16.34 | levi_home | albino: Who's we? |
| 04:16.39 | EpP | i run noobuntu |
| 04:16.45 | mheath | :) |
| 04:17.01 | albino | levi_home: The computing language world at large. At least the dyanmic one. |
| 04:17.12 | albino | mheath: hurd? |
| 04:17.45 | mheath | albino: Hurd is one of the programs included in the GNU operating system, yes. |
| 04:18.04 | elg | albino: yeah, variables and procedures are kind of boring too. we should go back to assembly |
| 04:18.57 | albino | elg: I guess. But I think I'll personally stick with the higher level stuff. |
| 04:19.23 | elg | and I'll stick with the niceties of dynamic languages, including open classes, when I have a choice |
| 04:19.34 | mheath | albino: The GNU Operating system is based on the GNU microkernel. It uses Hurd to manage system servers. |
| 04:19.41 | Sargun | albino, you work in IT? |
| 04:20.19 | albino | elg: Me too! |
| 04:20.53 | elg | um, ok. glad we agree then. |
| 04:20.55 | albino | mheath: Right, I just didn't think people made that distinction when speaking generally in IRC. I'll make sure to be more specific in the future. :) |
| 04:21.17 | albino | Sargun: Yes |
| 04:21.31 | albino | Is this guy always 20 questions with everyone who joins the channel? |
| 04:21.35 | levi_home | Ahh, I found it. I was thinking of the TOM language. |
| 04:22.25 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:22.51 | mheath | albino: pretty much. |
| 04:22.56 | Sargun | its the channel interogattion |
| 04:23.13 | levi_home | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sCIs3sa4DogJ:www.gerbil.org/tom/+tom+programming+language&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari |
| 04:23.52 | mheath | albino: I just get annoyed about people who have preconceived notions about the GNU operating system, to the point where beliefs are perpetuated that make poeple think its near-vaporwear. |
| 04:25.05 | tensai | elg: you ever finish your SOC project? |
| 04:25.27 | Sargun | albino, btw: Mheath is a 17-year old who has graduated high school, fell out of military, due to knee problems, and is a Java/ant-Sargun/anti-Atarack evangelist. |
| 04:26.39 | albino | mheath: understood. But you should know that I think almost exactly that. Since I've never seen a system up and working and some pretty smart people I know can't get anywhere with it. |
| 04:26.57 | albino | Atarack? |
| 04:27.00 | mheath | Sargun: I have an idea! How about YOU make it through the hardest parts of USMC basic training before you talk down about me developing problems that will leave me with physical problems for the rest of my life. |
| 04:27.06 | albino | Now I know why he asks so many questions. |
| 04:28.06 | Sargun | Why? |
| 04:28.11 | albino | mheath: 17 eh. And a java evangelist. What do you love about java? |
| 04:28.21 | albino | Sargun: So you can teach others about others? |
| 04:28.35 | levi_home | albino: Sargun is even younger. |
| 04:28.45 | elg | tensai: yeah. Didn't finish everything I'd wanted, but was satisfactory |
| 04:28.51 | Sargun | ~15.75+ 1/24 |
| 04:28.52 | ibot | 15.791666666667 |
| 04:28.54 | albino | levi_home: Did you write any code using this TOM thing? |
| 04:28.55 | mheath | albino: Sargun is trying to stretch a mild conversation me and levi were having earlier about me feeling very comfortable programming in Java, and liking it syntatically. |
| 04:29.01 | Sargun | ibot, thanks |
| 04:29.01 | ibot | my pleasure, Sargun |
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| 04:29.13 | Sargun | ~15.75+ 18/30 |
| 04:29.14 | ibot | 16.35 |
| 04:29.14 | levi_home | albino: No, but I had a friend who, years ago, was very keen on it. |
| 04:29.16 | albino | mheath: ahhh |
| 04:29.20 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:29.34 | Sargun | ~15.75+ 18/(30*12) |
| 04:29.35 | ibot | 15.8 |
| 04:29.39 | Sargun | 15.8 years |
| 04:29.41 | Sargun | thanks. |
| 04:30.12 | levi_home | I'm currently learning and using SML and OCaml. |
| 04:30.29 | albino | So you guys will be the ones to put me out of a job in a few years, glad to meet you. :) |
| 04:31.09 | Sargun | hehe |
| 04:31.09 | rsimpkins | for x in `seq 500 4000`; do beep -f $x -l 100; done --- driving me nuts!!! |
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| 04:31.17 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:31.27 | Sargun | rsimpkins, do that on your dedi. |
| 04:31.34 | mheath | Sargun: Keep in mind, while you were sitting on your butt going about the same things you go about every day, I was going through an experience so intense I can't even begin to explain to you; you wouldn't understand. I took up the challenge of becoming a United States Marine. |
| 04:31.38 | rsimpkins | Home land security would show up. |
| 04:31.46 | rsimpkins | 'we have a bomb in the datacenter' |
| 04:31.47 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:31.51 | Sargun | Hahah |
| 04:32.08 | mheath | If you ever try to make comments about how a PHYSICAL DISABILITY prevented me from realizing this dream, I will do everything I can to make your life as miserable as possible. |
| 04:32.08 | Sargun | mheath, ok. |
| 04:32.09 | rsimpkins | I want to find a library of beep music - any ideas? |
| 04:32.17 | mheath | If thats a threat you don't think is serious, go ahead and keep it up. |
| 04:32.22 | levi_home | "Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head." |
| 04:32.22 | Sargun | uhh.. |
| 04:32.27 | Sargun | thats kind of harsh |
| 04:32.29 | albino | levi_home: how do you like those compared to CL? |
| 04:32.37 | Sargun | levi_home, like the china ones? |
| 04:32.42 | Sargun | those are awesome. |
| 04:32.45 | mheath | Sargun: So is making someone who's life dream was recently crushed because of a physical disability. |
| 04:32.52 | mheath | *so is insulting someone who's |
| 04:33.02 | elg | whose |
| 04:33.02 | rsimpkins | wow, there is a perl front end to beep that will actually play music. |
| 04:33.15 | Sargun | I didn't insult you, or mean to insult you |
| 04:33.21 | Sargun | I was making a statement rather |
| 04:33.36 | mheath | Sargun: I took up the challenge of becoming a member of the most elite military force in the world. That is something I know you will never be able to say. |
| 04:33.41 | Sargun | I think you already try to make my life as miserable as possible :-P |
| 04:33.44 | albino | mheath: What was your life dream? |
| 04:33.49 | mheath | Sargun: you made a statement of my discharge from the military, and worded it in a very deragatory manner. |
| 04:33.51 | Sargun | albino, becoming a marine |
| 04:34.00 | Sargun | "fell out" |
| 04:34.39 | Sargun | mhmm |
| 04:34.44 | levi_home | albino: They feel rather different, but I like them both. |
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| 04:34.58 | mheath | Sargun: "falling out" is a term frequently used in military venacular for giving up. |
| 04:35.10 | Sargun | I didn't know that. |
| 04:35.28 | levi_home | I need a smart IRC filter that completely ignores interaction between mheath and Sargun. |
| 04:35.30 | albino | levi_home: Is small talk older than lisp? I was told the other day that smalltalk was older than pretty much everything. |
| 04:35.41 | Sargun | how about "got kicked out from the military due to knee injuries" |
| 04:35.49 | levi_home | albino: No, Lisp is older than Smalltalk, and was one of the inspirations for it. |
| 04:35.58 | levi_home | Sargun: Try 'discharged' |
| 04:36.01 | elg | lisp is older than machine language I think sometimes :) |
| 04:36.09 | elg | and in some ways it is |
| 04:36.22 | elg | isn't lambda calculus older than computers as we know them? |
| 04:36.28 | levi_home | Indeed. |
| 04:36.29 | rsimpkins | wow, you can play Beethoven on your PC speaker, I gotta try this. |
| 04:36.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:36.33 | albino | levi_home: If you write that filter, let me know. |
| 04:36.35 | levi_home | ML is based on the lambda calculus as well, though. |
| 04:36.44 | Sargun | rsimpkins, you officially have too much time on your hands. |
| 04:37.09 | Sargun | :-P |
| 04:37.17 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I'm just having fun. I could be out tagging rail cars - so at least I'm in doors. |
| 04:37.34 | mheath | Sargun: In case you can't get the hint: I do NOT appreciate you volunteering your perception of a situation that is rather private and very sensative to me. |
| 04:37.53 | elg | oh, I wouldn't say it's private. if it were private you wouldn't talk about it |
| 04:38.20 | mheath | elg: I don't talk about it. I stated ONCE why I came back early, and after that I've simply answered questions. |
| 04:38.33 | levi_home | mheath: You should have thought about privacy before you spent all that time talking about joining the military over the past year. |
| 04:38.52 | Sargun | you do realize that you said it on IRC |
| 04:39.05 | levi_home | That part of your life is no longer private, though many of us certainly wish it was! |
| 04:39.08 | mheath | levi_home: I was very proud of my choice to become a United States Marine. I still am. |
| 04:39.24 | Sargun | "IRC is very private" < holy-oxymoron :-P |
| 04:39.49 | mheath | Sargun: I am free to discuss things that are private to me. You are not free to discuss things that private to me. |
| 04:39.57 | rsimpkins | Does anyone here play Day of Defeat? |
| 04:40.12 | Sargun | uhh |
| 04:40.17 | Sargun | ok. |
| 04:40.21 | Sargun | do you own me? |
| 04:40.29 | levi_home | mheath: We are all free to discuss anything we feel like, though it is impolite to do it at the cost of your feelings. |
| 04:40.32 | Sargun | actually, I'd rather notdiscuss that |
| 04:40.38 | Sargun | ~kick me |
| 04:40.40 | ibot | bugger off, sargun! |
| 04:40.47 | Sargun | why doesn't ibot do that |
| 04:41.02 | Sargun | can someone make ibot's ~kick me actually kick me |
| 04:41.08 | rsimpkins | Would anyone like to know what it's like having twins? |
| 04:41.19 | levi_home | rsimpkins: A million times no! |
| 04:41.28 | Sargun | rsimpkins, painfull. |
| 04:41.32 | Sargun | er |
| 04:41.34 | rsimpkins | Would you like to know what it is like having a 3 year old, a 2 year old, a 1 year old and two 4 month olds? |
| 04:41.34 | Sargun | painful. |
| 04:41.58 | levi_home | rsimpkins: Even more no! :) |
| 04:42.12 | levi_home | Yes, Lisp is older than the x86 instruction set. |
| 04:42.20 | mheath | I'm nervous about Friday. My first appointment with my orthopedic doctor..... |
| 04:42.21 | rsimpkins | yeah, LISP is ancient. |
| 04:42.34 | albino | rsimpkins: why are you offering to have somone's child? |
| 04:42.39 | levi_home | (I was pretty sure it was, but I figured I might as well check) |
| 04:42.41 | mheath | I'm going to try and get him to tell me point blank if I can ever get to the point where he'd 100% clear me for military service. |
| 04:43.09 | rsimpkins | albino: I have 3,2,1,.25,.25 year olds. |
| 04:43.14 | levi_home | mheath: If you don't want to discuss private things, you might want to stop discussing them. |
| 04:43.24 | albino | rsimpkins: birth control dude |
| 04:43.34 | rsimpkins | albino: that's for whimps. |
| 04:44.21 | mheath | levi_home: I don't have a problem with discussing these things; my problem was with Sargun making poorly worded statements about a situation he didn't know much about, to a complete stranger. |
| 04:44.24 | rsimpkins | I drive a minivan packed full of kids which I will randomly unleash at anyone who opposes me. |
| 04:44.43 | mheath | Wow, time flies. It's 10:45? |
| 04:45.06 | albino | mheath: You must be the first person I've met online who actually want to serve in the millitary and has a mighty conviction about it. |
| 04:46.00 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:46.03 | levi_home | mheath: Then you should find other grounds to complain about than privacy. |
| 04:46.39 | levi_home | "These matters are very private to me... but here, world, are some more details!" |
| 04:46.50 | mheath | albino: You haven't met many people who were in the Marine Corps, apparently :) |
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| 04:48.25 | albino | mheath: I have a feeling there aren't an abundant supply of Marine Copy individuals on IRC. |
| 04:48.47 | mheath | Copy? O.o |
| 04:48.52 | mheath | But, probably no. |
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| 05:46.26 | mheath | OK, kernel compilation will be for tomorrow. Goodnight. |
| 05:47.16 | Sargun | night |
| 05:47.38 | Sargun | hugs for heath |
| 05:47.39 | Sargun | :-D |
| 06:58.46 | Tene | any gnome-users awake? |
| 07:00.54 | Sargun | no |
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| 11:15.17 | *** kick/#utah [Sargun!n=goozbach@brooks.netradius.com] by goozbach (goozbach) |
| 11:15.37 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.39 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 12:11.55 | synic | d'oh |
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| 13:04.47 | goozbach | avast and me heartie and whatnot |
| 13:04.51 | goozbach | it be TLAPD |
| 13:05.16 | graphyx | Don't let them scurvy dogs tell ye otherwise. |
| 13:05.23 | graphyx | It indeed be TLAPD. |
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| 13:07.48 | redbeard1 | yarr! |
| 13:07.57 | redbeard1 | today do be international talk like a pirate day! |
| 13:08.11 | drip | already? |
| 13:08.18 | drip | seems like that was just last week! |
| 13:08.19 | graphyx | Just in case anyone needs help... |
| 13:08.20 | graphyx | http://www.talklikeapirateday.com/translate/index.php |
| 13:08.20 | redbeard1 | http://blog.josephhall.com/ |
| 13:08.28 | redbeard1 | links on my site too |
| 13:08.39 | redbeard1 | er. i mean, links do be on my site, too! |
| 13:09.10 | redbeard1 | ~msg ibot help |
| 13:09.19 | redbeard1 | yar, that sucked |
| 13:10.11 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin elg |
| 13:10.11 | ibot | onjoin for elg set by tensai on Fri Sep 1 14:10:11 2006: -lart elg |
| 13:10.41 | redbeard1 | onjoin elg avast, matey! |
| 13:10.44 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin elg avast, matey! |
| 13:10.44 | ibot | ok, redbeard1 |
| 13:10.47 | drip | the real question is.. has anyone dressed up for the day? |
| 13:11.01 | redbeard1 | i wore a skull shirt and boots |
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| 13:44.48 | redbeard1 | yarr! it do be elg! |
| 13:44.52 | elg | har |
| 13:47.26 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for Pirate focused discussion in Utah. Read http://plug.org/node/28 . Don't fear the penguin, scurvy: http://blog.josephhall.com/tutorials/tuxcake/ . If'n ye don't have a plug.org accn't, mate simpkins will cut yer ear off. mheath hath a bad knee, he be walkin' the plank at noon. |
| 13:50.44 | redbeard1 | that do be a fine topic |
| 13:51.31 | rum | redbeard1: check this out (from another channel) |
| 13:51.32 | rum | 07:50 -!- las is now known as redbeard |
| 13:51.39 | rum | how will I keep you two straight? |
| 13:53.55 | redbeard1 | you be knowin' that i be the 1 redbeard, aka redbeard1 |
| 13:54.02 | redbeard1 | http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/arrrrrr-its-international-talk-like-a-pirate-day/ |
| 13:55.16 | rum | ~yarr |
| 13:55.32 | rum | ~yarr is <reply>aye. yarr. |
| 13:55.33 | ibot | okay, rum |
| 13:55.41 | redbeard1 | ibot: yarr? |
| 13:55.42 | ibot | aye. yarr. |
| 13:55.49 | redbeard1 | that do be good. |
| 14:00.32 | rum | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2006/09/talk-like-pirate-2006.html |
| 14:01.25 | levi | Avast, me hearties. |
| 14:02.42 | redbeard1 | ahoy, mate levi! |
| 14:07.42 | goozbach | ahoy |
| 14:07.54 | goozbach | an yarr an whatnot |
| 14:08.26 | redbeard1 | ahoy, goozbach! |
| 14:09.57 | Jayce^ | great foxtrot today |
| 14:10.09 | Jayce^ | er.. matey's |
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| 14:10.39 | redbeard1 | aye. mentioned perl, it did. |
| 14:11.11 | goozbach | arr |
| 14:13.08 | redbeard1 | http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/ |
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| 14:21.16 | rum | -lart vontrapp_ |
| 14:21.34 | vontrapp_ | rum? |
| 14:21.42 | redbeard1 | yarr. rum. |
| 14:21.46 | vontrapp_ | i'm being beaten upon by rum? |
| 14:22.03 | redbeard1 | be ye glad he not be makin' ye walk the plank |
| 14:22.22 | vontrapp_ | what, my internet is broken for over 12 hours, and my old nick is still signed in? |
| 14:23.08 | goozbach | vontrapp: it's just a series of tubes |
| 14:23.21 | vontrapp | -lart goozbach |
| 14:25.31 | vonplank | they cannay be makin me walk der plank! me are de plank! |
| 14:25.37 | redbeard1 | ~plank vonplank |
| 14:25.39 | ibot | vonplank is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
| 14:25.47 | tensai | brac: don't forget to sing hallelujah |
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| 14:25.50 | redbeard1 | ha ha! yar. |
| 14:26.55 | Sargun | goozbach, ? |
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| 14:31.15 | goozbach | ye was asking to walk the plank, so I abliged ya |
| 14:33.31 | Sargun | haha |
| 14:34.04 | Sargun | ~kick me |
| 14:34.05 | ibot | bugger off, sargun! |
| 14:34.06 | Sargun | :-P |
| 14:34.21 | Sargun | yee nin't fix me ibot. |
| 14:35.00 | redbeard1 | ibot: yarr. |
| 14:35.01 | ibot | aye. yarr. |
| 14:35.56 | goozbach | ibot's not be permitted to make such decisions, that be for us capitans |
| 14:37.42 | goozbach | avast! I be wanting cake |
| 14:38.02 | redbeard1 | aye. tis a good idea, to be sure. |
| 14:39.23 | Sargun | you be eatin' cheese cake! |
| 14:41.49 | goozbach | I done that this last weekend |
| 14:41.59 | goozbach | CCF cheesecake me maties! |
| 14:44.09 | drip | get back to work ye lubbers!! |
| 14:44.14 | drip | =P |
| 14:44.27 | drip | swab the deck! |
| 14:44.32 | redbeard1 | arr! if ye got time to lean, ye have time to clean! |
| 14:45.02 | redbeard1 | poor lad must've walked the plank |
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| 15:00.37 | redbeard1 | ~plank spr |
| 15:00.38 | ibot | spr is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
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| 15:02.46 | neybar | ibot: yarr? |
| 15:02.47 | ibot | aye. yarr. |
| 15:06.56 | goozbach | you know, I was thinking... |
| 15:07.26 | redbeard1 | yarr? |
| 15:07.29 | goozbach | is it the exception or the rule that people jump into a new IRC channel and start swearing it up/talking about innapropatie things? |
| 15:07.57 | redbeard1 | it do depend on the channel |
| 15:08.12 | goozbach | I just find it funny that sargun/mheath seem to have been policing the channel last night |
| 15:08.21 | goozbach | just an observation |
| 15:10.20 | neybar | well if mheath would stop pissing off the script kiddies we wouldn't have that problem... :p |
| 15:10.22 | goozbach | albino, I know from years, hadn't said but three words and got the whole "keep it pg-13"... |
| 15:11.02 | goozbach | I could see telling someone to tone it down if they'd violated the standards |
| 15:11.30 | goozbach | but assuming that they're comming in to curse up a storm. |
| 15:11.40 | goozbach | barg! |
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| 15:11.44 | neybar | hey! wanna tone it down there goozbach? I'm getting some R rated vibes from you. |
| 15:11.45 | goozbach | me be needing grob |
| 15:12.01 | goozbach | neybar: dont be readin me mind! |
| 15:12.06 | neybar | yarr |
| 15:12.11 | goozbach | s/grob/grog/ |
| 15:12.23 | redbeard1 | watch it, or ye be walkin' the plank, ye lubbers! |
| 15:13.18 | goozbach | keel haulin' |
| 15:13.20 | goozbach | ohh yeah |
| 15:13.23 | JoshH | goozbach, just try not to exceed NC-17 |
| 15:13.26 | neybar | fun |
| 15:13.29 | neybar | I mean yarr |
| 15:14.23 | redbeard1 | i'm sure there be |
| 15:14.32 | graphyx | I think chanserv can boot for profanity. |
| 15:17.21 | rum | ~profane graphyx |
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| 15:18.47 | graphyx | ~bottle rum |
| 15:19.02 | redbeard1 | ~rum rum |
| 15:19.05 | graphyx | ~drink rum |
| 15:19.07 | ibot | I don't want to drink rum |
| 15:19.07 | neybar | "yo ho, the pirates life for me" |
| 15:19.24 | redbeard1 | ~bootleg rum |
| 15:19.25 | graphyx | ~drink the coolaid |
| 15:19.27 | ibot | I don't want to drink the coolaid |
| 15:19.39 | redbeard1 | ~avast the rum |
| 15:19.41 | rum | ~drink prune juice |
| 15:19.42 | ibot | I don't want to drink prune juice |
| 15:19.42 | graphyx | s/coolaid/koolaid/ |
| 15:19.42 | neybar | ~walk the plank |
| 15:19.59 | redbeard1 | ibot: avast ye! |
| 15:20.10 | rum | ~dict avast |
| 15:20.13 | redbeard1 | scallywag. |
| 15:20.25 | redbeard1 | heh. avast heaving! |
| 15:20.38 | rum | ~heave |
| 15:20.49 | levi | Heave ho! |
| 15:27.36 | goozbach | come to think of it... I do know albino. he cannot keep things PG-13 |
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| 15:28.02 | goozbach | herlo: ask sjansen if I need to send my ninjas |
| 15:28.21 | herlo | goozbach: no sjansen here, on road |
| 15:28.45 | goozbach | where?: |
| 15:28.46 | redbeard1 | ~plank the ninjas |
| 15:28.48 | ibot | the ninjas is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
| 15:28.59 | herlo | goozbach: uh, can't remember, he's only been gone 2 days |
| 15:29.06 | goozbach | I though about dressing up as a ninja today |
| 15:29.48 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you scallywag! how could ye? |
| 15:29.52 | herlo | goozbach: I didn't, but I am guessing sjanen did |
| 15:31.14 | herlo | oh, the curse of talking like a pirate day is upon ye |
| 15:31.20 | redbeard1 | yarr! did ye all see userfriendly for today? |
| 15:31.30 | phinux | Yarr! |
| 15:33.27 | goozbach | redbeard1: I'm a ninja at heart, just halfheartily acting like a pirate today |
| 15:33.46 | redbeard1 | goozbach: ye make me sad. |
| 15:33.56 | redbeard1 | ye think ye knows a mate. |
| 15:34.08 | neybar | and he turns out to be a land lubber |
| 15:34.29 | redbeard1 | tis no wonder there be no international talk like a ninja day |
| 15:34.31 | goozbach | ninjas can be sea dogs |
| 15:34.43 | Jayce^ | ninja of the sea? |
| 15:34.44 | redbeard1 | we would all have to be dubbed, or carry subtitles |
| 15:35.00 | goozbach | every day is talk like a ninja day |
| 15:35.00 | goozbach | ninja make no noise |
| 15:35.04 | goozbach | then you die |
| 15:35.55 | \me | aargh |
| 15:36.08 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja#Etymology |
| 15:36.19 | redbeard1 | nay. argh is the sound a mate makes when he sits upon a pin |
| 15:36.34 | Jayce^ | ar matey's, appears jesse is in pain... |
| 15:36.42 | \me | aargh |
| 15:37.00 | redbeard1 | ~plank \me |
| 15:37.02 | ibot | \me is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
| 15:37.07 | \me | tis the only sound this pirate knows |
| 15:37.31 | redbeard1 | \me: be ye then the pirate who don't know anything? |
| 15:37.46 | redbeard1 | tis sad, to be sure |
| 15:37.50 | \me | me be in pain from the stupid apple movie DRM |
| 15:38.11 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, appears me lad be singing a slightly different song then those other pirates that don't be doing nothing.. |
| 15:38.49 | \me | you guys watch veggie tails? |
| 15:38.49 | redbeard1 | aye, mate Jayce^, sans the rock tribute |
| 15:38.51 | \me | tales |
| 15:39.22 | redbeard1 | i be watchin' me own wench's tail, and be havin' no need to be watchin' that of the veggies |
| 15:39.22 | \me | aargh |
| 15:41.54 | phinux | methinks \me got it right that time. |
| 15:44.37 | \me | methinks \me thinks |
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| 15:52.23 | rum | maybe you're the troll |
| 15:52.40 | \me | how is that? |
| 15:52.52 | \me | I'm just trying to warn people |
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| 15:54.24 | \me | I cringe every time I hear of someone using Google apps in their business, without any knowledge or care of the ToS |
| 15:54.47 | mheath | Good morning. |
| 15:54.57 | mheath | Why does my log contain "Swab the deck!" |
| 15:54.57 | mheath | ? |
| 15:55.23 | \me | aargh! |
| 15:56.03 | bonez39 | anyone recall the VOIP provider based in Lehi? |
| 15:56.03 | mheath | OK, we're going to field day my house, you understand?? |
| 15:56.36 | \me | field day is a ham radio event in my world |
| 15:57.26 | mheath | OK, so we want to be stupid, right? Jungle Boots, get 'em on line, right now. 20, 19, 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 ("GET ON LINE!"), 4, 3, 2, 1, you should be ("DONE, SIR!") |
| 15:57.50 | rum | methinks he's walked the plank a few hours early |
| 15:58.02 | mheath | OK, Jungle Boots, put 'em away, right now. (count down). So we want to be slow, right? We want to take our time, right? |
| 15:58.17 | mheath | OK, Jungle Boots, get 'em on line, right now. |
| 15:58.23 | mheath | <Repeat for about 2 hours> |
| 15:58.32 | rum | that's the weirdest pirate talk I've ever heard |
| 15:58.44 | levi | ~plank mheath |
| 15:58.48 | ibot | mheath is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
| 15:59.07 | \me | ~/o push-ups, every morning ~/o |
| 15:59.08 | ibot | ACTION sings with \me |
| 15:59.13 | levi | Arr, it be talk like a pirate day, ye landlubber! |
| 15:59.35 | mheath | I was an anti-pirate, though |
| 15:59.50 | mheath | I'm the one that boards the pirates ships and kills 'em :) |
| 16:00.13 | \me | pirating is illegal |
| 16:00.22 | \me | I buy all my software |
| 16:00.48 | rum | no wonder you can't afford a better nick |
| 16:00.58 | \me | aargh! |
| 16:01.04 | mheath | What's the current linux kernel? |
| 16:01.38 | mheath | Only have ftp on this system |
| 16:01.50 | mheath | actually, nevermind.....still have lynx on the li |
| 16:01.58 | mheath | *livecd |
| 16:02.24 | levi | ftp should be sufficient to discover the latest kernel version, anyway. |
| 16:03.27 | \me | ~ftp levi |
| 16:03.35 | mheath | levi: giant directory listings |
| 16:03.54 | mheath | I only have the _basic_ ftp client |
| 16:04.24 | levi | mheath: I used to browse ftp servers with the _basic_ ftp client all the time, and I LIKED it. :P |
| 16:04.34 | levi | Until I found ncftp, at least. |
| 16:04.52 | mheath | levi: meh, I'm sure its possible, I'm just not familiar with the commands at all. |
| 16:05.15 | mheath | Wow. Last time I compiled my own kernel was...around 2.6.2 |
| 16:05.31 | mheath | I remember going through all the 2.6.0-test* |
| 16:06.06 | mheath | I'm having a lot of fun, though |
| 16:06.18 | mheath | The desktop distros made me lose a lot of interest in Linux |
| 16:06.31 | mheath | a lot of my interest was in tinkering - playing around, fine tuning the system myself, trying new things |
| 16:06.35 | levi | Of course, you'd be like 7 or so again and probably wouldn't appreciate it much. |
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| 16:06.53 | \me | is logo still around by chance? |
| 16:07.10 | levi | \me: Yes, in some form or other. |
| 16:07.10 | \me | I'd love to get my kids involved in some sort of sudo-programming language |
| 16:07.20 | levi | And Logo is not a pseudo-language. |
| 16:07.28 | mheath | levi: I was around.....4 or 5, actually. |
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| 16:07.32 | levi | There's actually a logo-wiki. |
| 16:07.37 | mheath | Linux was first out in...1991, right? |
| 16:07.40 | mheath | I was 2 at the time :P |
| 16:07.50 | \me | my daughter's starting to learn math and I think having something like logo may be a good way to start teaching her programming |
| 16:07.56 | mheath | Woah |
| 16:07.58 | levi | www.logowiki.net |
| 16:07.59 | \me | levi: what would you call logo? |
| 16:08.05 | mheath | ncurses isn't.....right. |
| 16:08.09 | levi | A programming language. |
| 16:08.27 | levi | Just because it was designed with kids in mind doesn't mean it's somehow a pseudo-language. |
| 16:08.42 | \me | what would you call a "psuedo programming language" then? |
| 16:08.51 | mheath | \me: applescript |
| 16:09.04 | mheath | I think applescript is a wonderful introductory language for kids. |
| 16:09.19 | \me | mheath: for 6 year olds? |
| 16:09.22 | mheath | Starts to think programming logic without the need to learn any syntax |
| 16:09.23 | levi | I wouldn't call applescript a pseudo-language either. |
| 16:09.35 | mheath | \me: Yes. Its basically using english in a programming manner. |
| 16:10.01 | \me | yeah - I'd agree with levi if logo's not a pseudo-language |
| 16:10.12 | levi | pseudo-code is a pseudo programming language. |
| 16:10.37 | \me | levi: yes, but does pseudo-code compile? |
| 16:10.46 | levi | If it did, it would be a real programming language. |
| 16:10.58 | \me | lol |
| 16:11.07 | mheath | Hmm. Why would the border in ncurses windows be messed up? |
| 16:11.19 | \me | I'm looking for the simplest language that compiles and does stuff that a 6 year old could do and maintain interest |
| 16:11.46 | mheath | \me: Applescript, or Basic. |
| 16:11.56 | mheath | I learned visual basic 3.0 when I was around that age, on my own. |
| 16:12.00 | \me | mheath: not sure that would maintain my daughter's interest though |
| 16:12.08 | \me | needs pictures |
| 16:12.10 | \me | like logo |
| 16:12.23 | levi | \me: You might check out the eToys system in Squeak. |
| 16:12.33 | mheath | \me: One of the first programming examples in the Visual Basic 3.0 book was to make a psuedo-animated butterfly fly across the screen :) |
| 16:12.34 | levi | Or the logowiki. |
| 16:12.35 | \me | levi: never heard of that - I'll check it out |
| 16:12.43 | \me | yeah - I'll look at logowiki too |
| 16:12.49 | levi | Alan Kay, the inventor of Smalltalk, is really into teaching kids. |
| 16:13.03 | levi | logowiki is actually implemented via Smalltalk. |
| 16:13.04 | \me | mheath: not sure my daughter could even read a visual basic book at the moment |
| 16:14.17 | mheath | Help her, then. :) |
| 16:14.19 | \me | I think logo's right up her alley though |
| 16:14.40 | mheath | Just saying....its important to teach programming concepts while providing a gateway to other more popular languages. |
| 16:15.04 | \me | yeah, but gotta keep it *real* simple for a 6 year old |
| 16:15.11 | \me | or she'll never want to program again |
| 16:15.49 | levi | My dad got me into programming by writing me some simple Applesoft Basic programs for helping me learn math. |
| 16:15.57 | \me | logo's a gateway to smalltalk, which is a gateway to object-oriented programming |
| 16:16.03 | mheath | If you have a Mac, I really think looking at Applescript will help. |
| 16:16.43 | \me | at the moment, it needs to be more of a game for her |
| 16:16.56 | mheath | Hey, I have a question... |
| 16:16.59 | levi | I don't think Applescript would be very appropriate. |
| 16:17.04 | mheath | This laptop has a Mobile Sempron CPU in it |
| 16:17.08 | mheath | what do I choose in a kernel config? |
| 16:17.13 | \me | levi: I agree |
| 16:17.18 | mheath | Athlon/Duron/K7 ? |
| 16:17.33 | levi | Something like logo or etoys that lets kids make little pictures is nifty. |
| 16:18.07 | \me | yeah - those were designed for younger kids |
| 16:18.15 | \me | I think I did logo when I was around 7 or 8 or so |
| 16:18.30 | mheath | \me: Think about something like Lego Mindstorms, too |
| 16:18.35 | \me | that logowiki.net is pretty cool |
| 16:18.43 | \me | mheath: yeah, I'm getting that for myself though ;-) |
| 16:18.48 | mheath | hahaha |
| 16:19.05 | mheath | Do I just choose "Athlon/Duron/K7" in the kernel config for a Mobile Sempron? |
| 16:19.09 | levi | Hooking logo up to a real robot turtle would be cool, too. :) |
| 16:19.23 | \me | yeah - I remember doing that |
| 16:19.30 | \me | computers and robots are fun |
| 16:19.39 | levi | mheath: Probably. I don't know or care. |
| 16:20.13 | \me | in High School I remember making our own step-motor circuit boards and then hooking them up to the parallel port of a computer and programming them to move |
| 16:21.33 | levi | I just download my binary kernel updates when they become available. |
| 16:21.41 | \me | me too |
| 16:22.42 | levi | I have fun learning new programming languages, though, not futzing around endlessly with Linux stuff. Fortunately, Debian/Ubuntu make it easy to get and try new programming languages. |
| 16:23.58 | mheath | I enjoy learning stuff related to computers |
| 16:24.04 | mheath | thats why I'm really looking forward to college... |
| 16:25.08 | levi | mheath: Don't get your hopes up too high; most of your introductory classes will be dead boring. It will get better, though. |
| 16:25.50 | mheath | levi: I'm well aware of that :) |
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| 16:31.02 | \me | that and many colleges are way out of date with the real world |
| 16:31.09 | albino | autodidacts++ |
| 16:31.47 | \me | ~dict autodidacts |
| 16:32.00 | ^Migs^ | omg, it's talk like a pirate day |
| 16:32.07 | ^Migs^ | how do pirates tell what day it is? |
| 16:32.11 | \me | aargh! |
| 16:32.11 | ^Migs^ | they look on a calendARRRRRRR |
| 16:32.11 | rsimpkins | Yarr! |
| 16:32.23 | ^Migs^ | why couldn't the young pirate see the new pirate movie? |
| 16:32.26 | ^Migs^ | because it was rated ARRRRRRRRRR |
| 16:32.27 | redbeard1 | arrgh! ^Migs^, that hurt! |
| 16:32.38 | redbeard1 | ~plank ^Migs^ |
| 16:32.40 | ibot | ^Migs^ is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
| 16:33.02 | ^Migs^ | Who is a pirate's favorite artist? |
| 16:33.08 | ^Migs^ | Andy WARRRRRRhol |
| 16:33.20 | redbeard1 | okay, now that be stretching it |
| 16:33.25 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 16:34.05 | ^Migs^ | where do pirates keep their weapons? |
| 16:34.07 | ^Migs^ | in the ARRRRRRRmory |
| 16:34.54 | ^Migs^ | omgloolololol |
| 16:35.02 | ^Migs^ | sorry these jokes are so ARRRRRchetypical |
| 16:35.30 | \me | ARRRROTFL |
| 16:35.57 | \me | ARRRRTFM |
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| 16:38.51 | ^Migs^ | WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House is distributing government-produced, anti-drug videos on YouTube, the trendy Internet service that already features clips of wacky, drug-induced behavior and step-by-step instructions for growing marijuana plants. |
| 16:42.31 | redbeard1 | yarr, i heard that this very mornin' |
| 16:44.45 | redbeard1 | "UFO, weather, delay shuttle landing" |
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| 16:48.41 | albino | \me: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=autodidact&x=0&y=0 |
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| 16:57.44 | albino | \me: awesome |
| 16:58.00 | ^Migs^ | what, you want a medal now? |
| 16:59.32 | \me | that would be nice |
| 16:59.39 | ^Migs^ | who the crap are you anyway? |
| 16:59.43 | ^Migs^ | I have NEVER seen you here before |
| 16:59.52 | levi | Speaking of drugs, Willie Nelson got caught with weed and shrooms. |
| 17:00.19 | ^Migs^ | zomgnowai |
| 17:00.27 | levi | ^Migs^: Does everyone need to register their identity with you now? |
| 17:00.47 | ^Migs^ | I suppose that would be ideal |
| 17:01.02 | ^Migs^ | think of me as someone who helps keep out the riffraff |
| 17:01.04 | levi | I'm afraid we don't live in the ideal world, Mr. Pangloss. |
| 17:01.26 | albino | riffraff? Pshaaw |
| 17:05.09 | \me | ^Migs^: I see you here all the time |
| 17:05.32 | \me | and I've had this nick for at least a month now |
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| 17:06.02 | ^Migs^ | well, just make sure you behave yourself, k? |
| 17:06.47 | \me | me, behave? |
| 17:07.09 | ^Migs^ | no, \me |
| 17:09.18 | \me | never! |
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| 17:15.11 | redbeard1 | arrgh! i be new to postgres, and now i be needin' to populate a table |
| 17:17.51 | \me | populate w/ what? |
| 17:18.01 | redbeard1 | um. |
| 17:18.02 | redbeard1 | data. |
| 17:18.45 | \me | insert into table (this,that,whatever) values ('this','that','whatever') |
| 17:18.48 | \me | just like mysql |
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| 17:23.56 | redbeard1 | i'm gonna lart the next person who tells me that postgres is just like mysql |
| 17:24.49 | redbeard1 | how in the world are "show tables" and "\dt" just like each other? |
| 17:25.18 | \me | I didn't say postgresql is just like mysql - I said inserting "data" is the same |
| 17:25.35 | redbeard1 | inserting the data is not the problem |
| 17:25.42 | mheath | mmmm. Chocolate malted milkshake |
| 17:25.50 | redbeard1 | figuring out the rest of the command line is the problem. |
| 17:25.53 | ^Migs^ | what's the difference between a malt and a shake? |
| 17:26.00 | ^Migs^ | and wtf is a malted milkshake? |
| 17:26.10 | levi | A malt has malt in it. |
| 17:26.12 | ^Migs^ | this school portal sucks |
| 17:26.22 | Jayce^ | levi, yup, that about sums it up |
| 17:26.30 | ^Migs^ | I want to punch the previous developer in the face |
| 17:26.31 | emcnabb | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 17:26.42 | mheath | ^Migs^: Malt is a....flavoring agent. malted barley. |
| 17:27.03 | ^Migs^ | good thing I'm not already bald, otherwise that would've made no sense |
| 17:27.08 | mheath | A "Milkshake" is ice cream, milk, and flavoring |
| 17:27.10 | ^Migs^ | well, I guess it technically would've made sense |
| 17:27.17 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malt |
| 17:27.19 | ^Migs^ | so why are malts more expensive than shakes? |
| 17:27.20 | mheath | A "Malted Milkshake" is ice cream, malt, milk, and flavoring |
| 17:27.33 | ^Migs^ | I'm not going to look up that wikipedia article, because I've already lost interest |
| 17:27.50 | mheath | ^Migs^: they're usually not, in my experience. Its just the addition of a few tablespoons of powder. |
| 17:27.50 | \me | redbeard1: wait till you try Oracle |
| 17:28.07 | redbeard1 | ~lart \me |
| 17:28.16 | ^Migs^ | at country boy dairy, malts are 5¢ more than their milkshake counterparts |
| 17:28.26 | \me | you get used to the command-line after awhile |
| 17:28.31 | ^Migs^ | my question is WHY, praytell? |
| 17:28.37 | \me | I still prefer Mysql though |
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| 17:28.48 | ^Migs^ | omg, I'm tired. I was up until midnight playing Oblivion |
| 17:28.52 | mheath | ^Migs^: because it has additional ingredients |
| 17:29.04 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 17:29.14 | ^Migs^ | so it's the same as a milkshake, just with malt |
| 17:29.31 | mheath | ^Migs^: go buy some Carnation Malted Milk Mix, and give it a try. Quite tasty |
| 17:29.34 | mheath | ^Migs^: yes. |
| 17:29.38 | ^Migs^ | Carnation is baby formula |
| 17:29.52 | ^Migs^ | it makes me think that I'm getting a milkshake with breastmilk |
| 17:30.51 | mheath | ^Migs^: Carnation also makes condensed/evaporated milk, powdered milk, etc. |
| 17:31.13 | mheath | I wish I had better icecream for this milkshake.. |
| 17:31.25 | mheath | Tasty, but the icecream I had to use was nasty, old, freezerburned walmart storebrand |
| 17:32.01 | levi | I forget the name of those candies that are chocolate-covered malt balls. |
| 17:32.12 | \me | they had great shakes there |
| 17:32.16 | Rotting_Wallace | whoppers? |
| 17:32.19 | \me | good onion rings too |
| 17:32.21 | levi | Yeah, whoppers. |
| 17:32.34 | levi | ^Migs^: Malt tastes like whoppers. |
| 17:32.50 | mheath | If I had the money, I'd open up a drivein near here, serving hamburgers, milkshakes, ice cream, etc. |
| 17:33.02 | mheath | A gas station just closed down near here... |
| 17:33.19 | mheath | and I know that about 40 years ago, there used to be a really nice drivein restraunt right where that gas station is |
| 17:33.41 | ^Migs^ | whoops, I accidentally sent out a test email to a bunch of people |
| 17:33.54 | ^Migs^ | I hate developing email apps |
| 17:34.59 | mheath | you wouldn't be as frustrated if you were programming in java ;-) |
| 17:36.53 | ^Migs^ | i AM programming in java |
| 17:39.20 | Rotting_Wallace | you're frustrated because you're programming in java ;) |
| 17:40.29 | ^Migs^ | no, I'm frustrated because the previous developer did a half-assed job |
| 17:40.45 | ^Migs^ | now I've assumed control and much of it is going to have to be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch, the way it should've been built |
| 17:41.04 | goozbach | ^Migs^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malted_milk |
| 17:41.05 | ^Migs^ | oh well. the taxpayers are paying for it. |
| 17:41.12 | ^Migs^ | I'm not looking at any dumb malt links |
| 17:42.39 | ^Migs^ | have I mentioned I taught my daughter to call her friends "noobs"? |
| 17:44.53 | ^Migs^ | she's 3 years old |
| 17:45.03 | ^Migs^ | ot |
| 17:45.03 | ^Migs^ | it's absolutely adorable |
| 17:48.04 | watrmouse | good morning all, err afternoon i should say |
| 17:49.51 | ^Migs^ | YOU again? |
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| 17:55.45 | watrmouse | haha |
| 17:55.50 | watrmouse | whats up ^Migs^ |
| 17:55.53 | watrmouse | how you doing today |
| 17:56.48 | ^Migs^ | awesome as usual |
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| 18:16.59 | amcnabb | Wow. I just found out about Python's webbrowser module. |
| 18:17.01 | amcnabb | import webbrowser |
| 18:17.06 | amcnabb | webbrowser.open('http://www.mcnabbs.org/') |
| 18:17.10 | amcnabb | That's pretty slick. |
| 18:21.24 | mheath | .....That just strikes me as being rather ambiguous and messy. |
| 18:21.30 | mheath | Is webbrowser a GUI object? |
| 18:28.33 | spr | pulls up galeon on my linux machine |
| 18:30.08 | goozbach | methinks it's calling open |
| 18:30.19 | goozbach | it pulled up firefox on my machine |
| 18:48.12 | rum | galeon? galeon is so yesterday |
| 18:50.45 | amcnabb | It tries a bunch of different web browsers until it gets one that works. |
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| 19:14.34 | levi | Wow, that was a cool coincidence. |
| 19:15.08 | levi | I was going to the bank, and as I got off the freeway, I saw my wife getting off the freeway from the other direction. I followed her to the parking lot she was going to, and we had lunch together. :) |
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| 19:26.24 | albino | Hmm, we shold probably be using that webbrowser module in tomato |
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| 19:31.22 | \me | how did the pirate quit smoking? |
| 19:31.26 | \me | he used the patch |
| 19:31.40 | \me | Why didn't the pirate go on a trip to Hawaii? |
| 19:31.53 | \me | it was too fAAARgh! |
| 19:32.10 | macnewbold | anyone here have any experience with linksys or dlink "load balancing"-capable routers? |
| 19:32.18 | macnewbold | like dlink di-lb604 or linksys rv042? |
| 19:32.28 | macnewbold | or multiple dsl uplinks in general? |
| 19:33.28 | herlo | macnewbold: we have one cable and one dsl connection at home |
| 19:33.40 | macnewbold | ah |
| 19:33.49 | macnewbold | do you do any load balancing/redundancy stuff? |
| 19:33.58 | macnewbold | if so, with what? and how do you like it? |
| 19:34.14 | herlo | load balancing, we do it with pfsense, but it's still very alpha/maybe beta |
| 19:34.33 | herlo | mostly what we do is dedicate one line to a couple machines, and another to the rest of the network |
| 19:35.05 | herlo | and it's very hairy, but there are some articles online that detail it...I was just looking at them this last week... |
| 19:36.27 | herlo | macnewbold: we did have load balancing working at one point, only to break pfsense the next time we rebooted. That was a good 4-5 months ago |
| 19:36.46 | macnewbold | ah, okay |
| 19:37.03 | macnewbold | I've been looking at a couple of <$200 devices that seem to be able to do simple load balancing |
| 19:37.12 | herlo | haven't tried load balancing since... |
| 19:37.17 | macnewbold | (outbound connections are assigned to one uplink or the other) |
| 19:38.02 | herlo | yeah, more or less what we do now, and we run it on an old P233 box we had lying around |
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| 20:19.53 | rum | -lart Jayce^ |
| 20:20.15 | Jayce^ | hey matey... |
| 20:20.16 | mheath | I need to go pick up a copy of my transcript, and get the $30 application fee to WSU....Hmm.. |
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| 20:22.32 | mheath | I mean... |
| 20:22.34 | mheath | *cough* |
| 20:22.59 | mheath | Avast, me mateys. Me be needing a transcript for my application, and enough riches to bribe with. |
| 20:25.15 | graphyx | I suggest ye be starting to swab the deck. |
| 20:25.22 | graphyx | If ye have time to lean, ye have time to clean.. |
| 20:25.26 | graphyx | arrr. |
| 20:26.40 | mheath | Aye, me mates. The deck needs swabbing and the brightwork needs a shining. Hop to, me mateys, for we set sail ere the evening |
| 20:30.12 | mheath | But, alas, me mates....I be an anti-pirate, recently in the United States Marine Corps. |
| 20:30.20 | mheath | It be me reponsibility to board you and kill you, ,mate |
| 20:30.39 | goozbach | dang this job is fun |
| 20:31.13 | goozbach | I just got the chance to try and set up an asterisk phone through a satelite link |
| 20:31.44 | mheath | "to try" |
| 20:31.47 | mheath | "to fail" |
| 20:31.51 | mheath | ;-) |
| 20:31.59 | graphyx | I am sure it would work.. |
| 20:32.07 | graphyx | Just have to deal with high latency speech transfer. |
| 20:32.07 | rum | heh. for some definition of work |
| 20:32.11 | rum | goozbach: how did it go? |
| 20:32.20 | graphyx | If there isn't too much jitter should be just fine. |
| 20:32.23 | graphyx | Just different. |
| 20:32.32 | rum | like talking to someone on the moon |
| 20:32.41 | graphyx | Nah.. not that bad. |
| 20:32.58 | graphyx | Isn't the moon 5x as far as geosync orbit? |
| 20:33.11 | mheath | Silly kids. When I was your age, work meant work! ;-) |
| 20:33.38 | graphyx | I don't think you were ever my age mheath |
| 20:33.53 | mheath | In a former life, I was, I'm sure :-) |
| 20:35.23 | graphyx | I believed in reincarnation in my last life, but not this one. |
| 20:36.48 | graphyx | I didn't think you would get a check. |
| 20:37.28 | mheath | I kept hearing different things. |
| 20:37.37 | mheath | I think I'm supposed to get a little bit. |
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| 20:37.56 | mheath | Hopefully, considering that I walked home with $25 in my pocket after wasting a year of my life |
| 20:38.08 | goozbach | rum: it didn't |
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| 20:38.27 | goozbach | methinks trixbox has a hi-jitter filter or somesuch |
| 20:38.44 | goozbach | we were looking at rrt's of 1800ms |
| 20:39.03 | goozbach | using an IAXy2 and Trixbox |
| 20:39.04 | mheath | I want to go camping up on our ranch in winter..... |
| 20:39.08 | mheath | rent a snow mobile, etc. |
| 20:39.08 | rum | trying to set up asterisk to the moon I could imagine. or to the space station |
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| 20:39.19 | rum | but to orbit and back for no good reason? |
| 20:39.22 | rum | -lart vonplank_ |
| 20:39.30 | goozbach | when we get our asterisk box built, we'll try again |
| 20:40.02 | emcnabb | mheath: you should go up |
| 20:40.17 | goozbach | rum: it's for a disaster preparedness trailer |
| 20:40.33 | emcnabb | or sell the ranch and add to your $25 |
| 20:40.51 | rum | as in spiderman3 trailer, or as in RV camping? |
| 20:40.55 | mheath | emcnabb, its in the middle of the colorado mountains is all....I lack the experience to deal with a situation where, say, I wake up and theres been 5 feet of snowfall and my snowmobile is buried. |
| 20:41.36 | goozbach | we run these things out in event of a disaster and they become points of contact for all the local health departments. |
| 20:41.49 | goozbach | so that they can connect back to the DOH |
| 20:41.51 | mheath | emcnabb, whats $25 + 3,000,000? :) |
| 20:41.59 | emcnabb | mheath: then you should sell it |
| 20:42.05 | emcnabb | if you can't use it |
| 20:42.36 | rum | goozbach: interesting |
| 20:42.55 | emcnabb | If you get stuck your marine training would come in handy though |
| 20:43.32 | rum | so what's the word on encrypted jabber these days? gaim+adium |
| 20:44.10 | mheath | emcnabb, didn't get far enough into Marine training to get into winter survival :P |
| 20:44.57 | mheath | That area is beautiful in the summer. I'd love to see it in the winter.. |
| 20:45.46 | emcnabb | didn't you do the klondike derby in boy scouts? |
| 20:47.28 | mheath | emcnabb, no. I was too busy participating in the USNSCC, where I got the freeze my butt off at -20 weather while conducting nighttime recon operations :) |
| 20:47.51 | rum | and -20 weather doesn't prep you? |
| 20:47.53 | mheath | http://www.kiwicafe.com/gallery/albums/Album/44_G.jpg <---A picture from our property, apparently taken by one of the hunters who frequently rents a cabin out |
| 20:48.06 | mheath | rum, it didn't snow. I don't care about the cold, its the snow that I'm worried about. |
| 20:48.20 | rum | the snow is only 0C |
| 20:48.32 | rum | and is a great insulator |
| 20:48.38 | rum | why would you be afraid of that? |
| 20:49.01 | mheath | rum, I'm afraid of the sudden 5 ft snowfalls they frequently get up there, that would suddenly cover up my tent, my gear, my snowmobile... |
| 20:51.44 | emcnabb | mheath: I was in temperatures that were that cold on the klondike derby |
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| 20:52.47 | emcnabb | mheath: so wouldn't it have been more useful to learn about winter survial than doing recon operations? |
| 20:53.15 | emcnabb | I mean, it sounds like knowing how to survive in the snow and cold is what you should be learning first |
| 20:53.20 | mheath | emcnabb, I learned a bit about winter survival |
| 20:53.30 | mheath | thats all about how to save your life though |
| 20:53.42 | mheath | not how to have a good vacation despite the possibiltity of heavy snow fall |
| 20:54.15 | emcnabb | use it as a winter survial test then |
| 20:54.24 | emcnabb | (I'm helping you justify your trip) |
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| 21:03.56 | rum | ~plank vonplank |
| 21:03.58 | ibot | vonplank is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
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| 21:26.33 | Tene | http://www.jenimattson.com/pages/identity/melvin.shtml |
| 21:27.45 | levi | Awesome. |
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| 21:40.13 | vonplank | dangit, is it so hard to provide reliable service?!?! |
| 21:40.20 | Tene | Yes. |
| 21:40.41 | Tene | Wait, for competent people, or incompetent? |
| 21:42.00 | vonplank | incompetent monkeys, it would seem |
| 21:43.02 | rum | ~plank vonplank |
| 21:43.03 | ibot | vonplank is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths |
| 21:43.31 | vonplank | i can't even get connected to jabber, packet loss is so high |
| 21:43.42 | Tene | Then yeah, it is really difficult. |
| 21:45.16 | vonplank | 45 packets transmitted, 5 received, 88% packet loss, time 67631ms |
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| 21:57.57 | Tene | what isp, vonplank_? |
| 22:07.13 | TimRiker | aye, talk like a pirate day it is. |
| 22:07.47 | TimRiker | ye be walkin' the plank mateys. |
| 22:08.48 | TimRiker | looks like qworst dsl to me. |
| 22:08.58 | TimRiker | oh sorry. |
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| 22:09.13 | TimRiker | he be usin' that qworst dsl. arrr |
| 22:09.14 | vonplank | "SkyWire!" |
| 22:09.19 | vonplank | aka hotsite networks |
| 22:10.16 | TimRiker | nice latency you be havin' (not) |
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| 22:20.45 | Keighvin | arrrr. avast me hearties. etc. |
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| 22:37.17 | mheath | Hmmm. Anyone here use AMD processors a lot? |
| 22:37.30 | mheath | And have an intimate knowledge of gcc options and/or use gentoo... |
| 22:37.47 | Keighvin | Ah, so that's the rest of the unique criteria. |
| 22:38.01 | Keighvin | Like the JD Power award for best minivan. |
| 22:38.01 | mheath | I'm just confused. My processor seems to be rather odd..... |
| 22:38.18 | mheath | It's an AMD k8 series processor |
| 22:38.31 | mheath | but virtually all k8 processors are 64bit. This one _isn't_. |
| 22:38.35 | Keighvin | *under $50,000 with wood panelling and removable seats and integrated make-my-child-fat DVD player in beige |
| 22:38.59 | mheath | I'm just trying to figure out my cflags, make sure I don't eroneously build incompatible 64bit binaries |
| 22:38.59 | Keighvin | What is it you're compiling? |
| 22:39.08 | mheath | Keighvin, trying to setup a gentoo installation |
| 22:39.19 | Keighvin | And is it only for your own purposes, or for distribution? |
| 22:39.20 | Jayce^ | you deserve your misery then :) |
| 22:39.28 | mheath | Wondering if a cflags arg of -march=k8 implies in any way that I want 64bit builds. |
| 22:39.40 | Jayce^ | shouldn't |
| 22:39.51 | Keighvin | I'd be very surprised if it dide. |
| 22:39.54 | Keighvin | did, rather. |
| 22:40.02 | Jayce^ | since that includes semprons and such.. |
| 22:40.06 | Keighvin | And hey, if it does you're only out 2 days on the build process. |
| 22:40.19 | mheath | Jayce^, only a very few k8 semprons are 32bit |
| 22:40.27 | mheath | thats where my concern arrises :) |
| 22:41.11 | mheath | OK, I'll give k8 a try. I suppose that the worst that can happen is, I spend a bit more time having to recompile. |
| 22:48.36 | Tene | I like this bread too much. I'm going to eat all the rest and leave none for anyone else. |
| 22:48.58 | mheath | Tene: What kind of bread? |
| 22:49.11 | Tene | some finnish sweet bread that my father likes to make. |
| 22:50.24 | mheath | We were cleaning out one of our rooms (getting ready to sell the house) and found a bunch of stuff be put there when we moved my Grandma from California and forgot about |
| 22:50.31 | mheath | Lots ot neat letters, pictures, info |
| 22:50.44 | mheath | A 5th grade report card for my great grandfather, etc. :) |
| 22:54.02 | Tene | Anyone know how to map ctrl+backspace in vim? |
| 22:54.07 | Tene | <C-BS> doesn't work |
| 22:54.34 | Keighvin | Haven't ever tried. |
| 22:54.49 | Keighvin | There'll probably be 2 parts to the solution too - one in VIM, and one in termcap |
| 23:02.19 | Tene | apparently it works in gvim |
| 23:02.57 | levi | mheath: Are you doing a different system now, or did you give up on the from-scratch system? |
| 23:02.59 | Tene | Which is good enough for me right now. |
| 23:03.46 | mheath | levi: Honestly, I gave up. I completed the LFS system, everything was working an dandy....then I went to install some additional software and started to run into annoying dependency trees |
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| 23:04.59 | levi | Heh. This is the same reasoning that has brought me to Debian and Ubuntu. Reducing the annoyance factor with automatic tools! |
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| 23:08.26 | mheath | levi: well, I want _some_ annoyance factor. Thats the goal of this system :) |
| 23:08.43 | mheath | Hence, Gentoo and not Ubuntu. |
| 23:10.33 | levi | Ultimately, an operating system should get out of the way. An operating system doesn't DO anything, it facilitates the actions and interactions of other software. Tinkering can be fun, but computers are ultimately meant to be USED, so an operating system that doesn't get out of the way is impeding the human operator. |
| 23:12.04 | mheath | levi: Yes. Thats why I have Windows on this computer. Linux is dual booted, and it's a system to tinker with. Play with :) |
| 23:12.34 | mheath | Linux systems like Ubuntu get old to me, because everything just...works. Perfectly. Theres never anything to fix, anything new to play with or install. |
| 23:12.43 | mheath | When I do have something to install, its a one click operation. |
| 23:14.56 | macnewbold | I think some people call that masochism |
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| 23:18.25 | QBFreak | ok, its time to do something, if my system temp (not CPU) is 105F when I'm looking at the health status in the BIOS something isn't right |
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| 23:19.50 | QBFreak | I pulled the front of the case off to improve airflow from the front fans, removed the side panel and placed a fan next to it, managed to get it to stop climbing, but not drop |
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| 23:34.44 | macnewbold | QBFreak: are all the fans working properly? |
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