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| 00:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone remind me where I can download a copy of ibot :P |
| 00:47.05 | goozbach | ~ibot |
| 00:47.07 | ibot | rumour has it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 00:47.21 | goozbach | ~blootbot |
| 00:47.23 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 00:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 00:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 00:49.30 | mrpull- | ~weather IND |
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| 01:32.00 | elg | -lart harleypig |
| 01:38.17 | redbeard2 | ~lart elg |
| 01:38.52 | redbeard2 | ~weather 84097 |
| 01:59.39 | QBFreak | has anyone heard of lighted case fans that have switches or some other ability to control the light independantly from the fan? |
| 02:03.05 | levi_home | Yay, I have a better 8puzzle heuristic than straight manhattan distance now. |
| 02:04.10 | levi_home | And I can solve a hard puzzle in .3 seconds. |
| 02:05.19 | levi_home | Now to start thinking about a chess program... |
| 02:06.24 | QBFreak | aww, you mean you're not going to research case fans for me? :) |
| 02:06.41 | levi_home | Um, no. :) |
| 02:06.58 | levi_home | The last thing I'm interested in is computer case bling. |
| 02:07.07 | QBFreak | =hehe |
| 02:07.16 | QBFreak | ignore the =, bad habit |
| 02:07.31 | levi_home | What's that from? |
| 02:07.36 | QBFreak | one case I had came with a nice shade of blue, but it would be kinda nice if I could shut them off at night |
| 02:07.40 | QBFreak | MARE (MUD) |
| 02:08.19 | levi_home | I haven't slept in the same room as a non-laptop computer in a couple of years now. |
| 02:08.47 | levi_home | I'm sure you could wire in a switch to the light circuit if you wanted to. |
| 02:09.01 | QBFreak | I considered it, but its rather hard to get to it |
| 02:09.52 | QBFreak | the fan is wrapped in a plastic band with two metal contacts, the incoming power wire is soldered directly to that and another set runs off into the fan, I'd have to cut the band open to try and get to what I need |
| 02:10.31 | levi_home | Just cut it and replace it with an electrical tape wrap or something. |
| 02:10.35 | QBFreak | I'm thinking I might order some next time I order something and see if I can modify them |
| 02:12.05 | levi_home | Order some electrical tape? |
| 02:12.13 | QBFreak | fans :p |
| 02:12.30 | QBFreak | the thing with that is the fan body is clear, electrical tape would look tacky where visible |
| 02:12.40 | levi_home | Ahh. |
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| 02:13.36 | levi_home | So, I'm getting more and more comfortable with OCaml. |
| 02:33.27 | QBFreak | each LED has its own pair of wires that runs out one of the supports |
| 02:35.01 | QBFreak | peeling off the center sticker provides access to each of the solder joints for the wires, this is doable |
| 02:35.11 | levi_home | There you go. :) |
| 02:36.07 | QBFreak | some planning is in order to make these look nice |
| 02:56.58 | nick125_lappy | x/wi3 |
| 02:57.00 | nick125_lappy | err |
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| 03:27.22 | elg | -lart harleypig -lar redbeard1 |
| 03:27.26 | elg | hm |
| 03:27.56 | elg | now taking bets on the side-by-side comparison of the new San Fran start and my old "Polish" start |
| 03:33.04 | levi_home | I bet they're both yummy. |
| 03:33.35 | levi_home | I'm jealous that you get to go to a conference. |
| 03:33.50 | levi_home | I've never been to an academic one, but I've been to a couple of industry ones. |
| 03:34.13 | levi_home | Embedded Systems, which was huge, and a tiny one for the OpenInfiniBand Alliance. |
| 03:34.26 | levi_home | Oh, I went to a sysadmin conference, too. |
| 03:37.32 | levi_home | The Embedded Systems conference was the best, 'cause I got to stay in a hotel in downtown San Francisco for a week and eat on the company dime. |
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| 04:02.03 | atoponce | epp: ping |
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| 05:02.01 | epp | atoponce: pong |
| 05:03.15 | epp | atoponce, well ill get on tommorow then. |
| 05:05.10 | mrpull-wm | how long should i run memtest86 before i should feel good about the results? |
| 05:05.34 | atoponce | epp |
| 05:05.37 | atoponce | still around |
| 05:06.43 | epp | yesir |
| 05:07.21 | nick125_lappy | mrpull-wm: I would least give it 2-3 hours or so |
| 05:07.31 | atoponce | so what's up? i've noticed you've highlighted me a few times. need help with your bot? |
| 05:07.43 | epp | atoponce, thats right... |
| 05:08.16 | atoponce | ok |
| 05:09.32 | epp | if you can get it to connect... i can setup the nick and channel later. |
| 05:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone else run a blootbot? |
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| 06:38.30 | rsimpkins | Hey Y'all. If any of you have a PLUG account, and are bored, why not add some companies to the company list. :) |
| 07:01.44 | Sargun | lol |
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| 13:15.14 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/erics-photos/Swing_Shift_Side_Show/ |
| 13:15.21 | dilvie | I took those pics yesterday in Provo |
| 13:26.32 | levi | I could have done without seeing some of those. |
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| 13:29.26 | dilvie | levi: really? I like them. |
| 13:29.50 | dilvie | it was intense! |
| 13:30.12 | dilvie | I was changing batteries during the craziest part of the show. |
| 13:30.21 | dilvie | You don't even want to know what was going on, believe me. |
| 13:30.52 | emcnabb | no, I don't |
| 13:31.14 | emcnabb | I prefer to keep my skin in its natural state |
| 13:32.49 | redbeard1 | dilvie: i've seen that sort of thing on tv before, actually |
| 13:33.12 | graphyx | Just goes to show you that you can find anything you want in Happy Valley. |
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| 13:33.58 | graphyx | ~greet herlo |
| 13:34.01 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on herlo |
| 13:34.11 | graphyx | I suppose that beats hot grits. |
| 13:34.15 | dilvie | yeah, I've actually never seen anything crazier than that show anywhere else. |
| 13:35.10 | herlo | graphyx: that was cold!! |
| 13:35.24 | graphyx | I didn't do it. |
| 13:35.27 | graphyx | Ibot did. |
| 13:35.29 | ibot | somebody said did was Direct Inward Dialing |
| 13:35.48 | graphyx | ibot, don't speak unless spoken too! |
| 13:35.53 | graphyx | s/too/to/ |
| 13:36.36 | graphyx | is Ibot susecptible to CRLF injection? |
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| 13:49.50 | herlo | graphyx: probably, but you did the ~greet |
| 13:50.18 | graphyx | I know. |
| 13:50.25 | graphyx | But ~greet is supposed to be friendly. |
| 13:50.44 | graphyx | ~greetz herlo |
| 13:50.56 | herlo | ~kill graphyx |
| 13:51.01 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized proton gun at graphyx |
| 13:51.03 | graphyx | ~destroy herlo |
| 13:51.04 | ibot | no |
| 13:51.12 | graphyx | I actually like that one. |
| 13:51.15 | herlo | ~laugh at graphyx |
| 13:51.17 | ibot | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! graphyx just cracks me up! |
| 13:51.19 | graphyx | ~sudo destroy herlo |
| 13:51.30 | graphyx | blah! |
| 13:51.33 | herlo | ~travolta graphyx |
| 13:51.35 | ibot | ACTION replaces graphyx with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 13:51.39 | graphyx | ibot, you aren't up with the cliches are you. |
| 13:51.41 | ibot | graphyx: what are you talking about? |
| 13:51.47 | graphyx | ~sjansen herlo |
| 13:51.51 | ibot | ACTION tells herlo good things about sjansen |
| 13:51.51 | herlo | LOL |
| 13:51.52 | herlo | ~herlo herlo |
| 13:51.53 | ibot | ACTION pokes herlo with a sharp needle. |
| 13:52.00 | herlo | ~herlo graphyx |
| 13:52.01 | ibot | ACTION pokes graphyx with a sharp needle. |
| 13:52.05 | graphyx | ~cut herlo |
| 13:52.11 | graphyx | ~maquis herlo |
| 13:52.13 | ibot | ACTION breaks herlo just by looking in herlo's direction |
| 13:52.13 | herlo | ~poke graphyx |
| 13:52.15 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind graphyx, pokes graphyx repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 13:52.32 | graphyx | ~stew herlo |
| 13:52.34 | herlo | oh, the joys of IRC |
| 13:52.35 | graphyx | ~cook herlo |
| 13:52.36 | ibot | ACTION throws herlo in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks herlo on 350 for an hour |
| 13:52.40 | graphyx | ~bake herlo |
| 13:52.41 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook graphyx, spr. |
| 13:52.41 | herlo | ~bake graphyx |
| 13:52.43 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook herlo, spr. |
| 13:52.48 | graphyx | ~dice herlo |
| 13:52.57 | herlo | ~trout graphyx |
| 13:52.58 | ibot | ACTION slaps graphyx around a bit with a large trout! |
| 13:53.04 | graphyx | ~whale herlpo |
| 13:53.10 | herlo | ~whaleslap graphyx |
| 13:53.11 | ibot | ACTION beats graphyx upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 13:53.22 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 13:53.26 | herlo | okay, this is getting boring |
| 13:53.33 | redbeard1 | ~dog herlo |
| 13:53.34 | ibot | ACTION stares at herlo until herlo whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 13:53.44 | herlo | ~pee redbeard1 |
| 13:53.50 | redbeard1 | ~buckybot herlo |
| 13:53.51 | ibot | herlo: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
| 13:53.59 | redbeard1 | take THAT! |
| 13:54.02 | mheath | Time to apply for WSU. |
| 13:54.15 | herlo | ~digg redbeard1 |
| 13:54.17 | mheath | BS in CS, with a teaching endorsement and a minor in asian studies :) |
| 13:54.18 | redbeard1 | wisconsin? |
| 13:54.19 | herlo | :-D |
| 13:54.25 | mheath | redbeard1, weber state university :) |
| 13:54.29 | redbeard1 | roit roit |
| 13:54.52 | herlo | redbeard1: we need to get ibot to do something with digg... |
| 13:55.12 | herlo | redbeard1: is your site back up now? I tried to make an apologetic comment the other day on the mirror, no dice |
| 13:55.13 | redbeard1 | herlo: dude, why? |
| 13:55.22 | redbeard1 | herlo: yeah, it's back |
| 13:55.41 | herlo | redbeard1: because now that we've taken your site down, we can make fun of it for always and forever... |
| 13:55.46 | redbeard1 | i broke up the tutorial into seperate pages, to lesson the image load |
| 13:55.56 | herlo | s/lesson/lessen |
| 13:56.04 | herlo | ;-P |
| 13:56.08 | redbeard1 | right |
| 13:56.16 | redbeard1 | lessen |
| 13:56.26 | herlo | but he doesn't want too... |
| 13:56.33 | redbeard1 | dude, the site is currently making the rounds in hungary |
| 13:56.47 | redbeard1 | it spent about a day making its way around poland too |
| 13:57.11 | herlo | redbeard1: that's sweet, when does it go back on tour in the US? I'd like to come to concert |
| 13:57.23 | herlo | its worth seeing a second time. |
| 13:57.34 | redbeard1 | it still seems to be making the occasional appearance on digg, but that's kind of dying out |
| 13:57.40 | herlo | redbeard1: how many diggs did it get so far... |
| 13:57.44 | ScytheBlade1 | What does? |
| 13:57.46 | redbeard1 | almost 600 |
| 13:57.56 | herlo | all that from me, you are welcome! |
| 13:57.58 | redbeard1 | ScytheBlade1: my tux cake tutorial |
| 13:58.13 | herlo | redbeard1: did it make /.? |
| 13:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, still? |
| 13:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | nice. |
| 13:58.32 | redbeard1 | that page had 23 photos loading on it, not counting the design images from the site itself. no wonder it killed the server. |
| 13:58.48 | redbeard1 | herlo: nope. /. didn't want it. neither did make. but craft posted it |
| 13:59.04 | herlo | redbeard1: that's the lame thing about /. |
| 13:59.23 | herlo | redbeard1: they say they are there for the nerd stories, but they turn down the good ones... |
| 13:59.27 | redbeard1 | well, it mean it's cool, but it's not really news, right? i'm not all that surprised slashdot ignored it. |
| 13:59.35 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 13:59.39 | herlo | very "nerd interest" if I may say |
| 13:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | too much "blog spam" |
| 13:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that's true |
| 14:00.16 | redbeard1 | digg does a lot more nerd interest tho |
| 14:00.16 | herlo | ScytheBlade1: /. used to put that sort of thing up all the time... |
| 14:00.25 | redbeard1 | that's what happens when somebody like /. goes corporate, i guess |
| 14:00.49 | herlo | redbeard1: agreed, and digg is a lot easier to get stuff up on... |
| 14:01.41 | redbeard1 | you know what the problem is now, tho? i can't really do another tux thing again, at least not for a while |
| 14:01.46 | redbeard1 | because now it's been done |
| 14:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, at least you were the one who did it |
| 14:04.54 | herlo | redbeard1: I agree with ScytheBlade1 |
| 14:06.57 | redbeard1 | it's true. i'm glad about that. |
| 14:07.43 | redbeard1 | but i would like to do another piece. just not out of cake this time. i'm all caked out. |
| 14:08.34 | redbeard1 | hey, does anyone here know anything about plumbing? |
| 14:09.48 | redbeard1 | at lowes and home depot they sell these sheets of rubber, about 5"x5" and either 1/6" or 1/8" thick, that you can use to cut your own custom size washers |
| 14:10.07 | redbeard1 | i'm looking for the same type of thing, except in much larger sheet sizes |
| 14:13.19 | redbeard1 | hmm. i meant 1/16", not 1/6" |
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| 14:19.46 | QBFreak | redbeard1: if something a lot thinner is ok, your local auto parts store ought to have a roll of gasket material |
| 14:20.41 | redbeard1 | actually, 1/8" is the thinnest i think i can get away with, but 1/4" would be perfect |
| 14:20.52 | redbeard1 | you think that'll be thicker than they have? |
| 14:21.54 | QBFreak | I remember it being the thickness of a sheet of cardboard (not courragated) |
| 14:22.31 | redbeard1 | yeah, that sounds like it'll be too thin |
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| 14:23.47 | elg | levi_home: I'm jealous you got to go to downtown San Fransisco for a week on the company dime |
| 14:24.30 | mheath | oooh. |
| 14:24.32 | QBFreak | redbeard1: does it need ot be rubber? |
| 14:24.41 | levi | elg: Only got to do it once, a few years ago. But it was awesome. :) |
| 14:24.50 | mheath | I love downtown san fransisco |
| 14:24.58 | mheath | OK, just finished applying for WSU |
| 14:25.02 | QBFreak | I suppose I should find the application before I start making suggestions |
| 14:25.05 | elg | I've never been to SF, but I want to real bad |
| 14:25.10 | mheath | or rather, signing up (acceptance is guaranteed for me with their policy) |
| 14:25.21 | levi | I haven't heard anything about WSU's CS program. |
| 14:25.23 | redbeard1 | QBFreak: i don't suppose so. but it does need to be able to withstand tempuratures as high as 350-400F |
| 14:25.32 | mheath | levi: It's not the best. It's OK. |
| 14:25.38 | QBFreak | ah, that rules out the cheap foam stuff I like so much |
| 14:25.43 | mheath | I was actually pleasantly surprised to find they have a UNIX Systems class |
| 14:25.43 | elg | I think if I were to live the city life, I'd want to live in SF, NYC, or Boston |
| 14:25.55 | redbeard1 | i loved living near boston |
| 14:26.02 | levi | mheath: It will almost certainly bore you to tears. |
| 14:26.12 | elg | redbeard1: uh oh, what are you trying to make? |
| 14:26.41 | mheath | levi: I'm going to work on a BS in CS with a teaching endorsement and a minor in Asian Studeis |
| 14:26.42 | mheath | *studies |
| 14:26.52 | redbeard1 | elg: i'm wanting to cast sugar. i think the hottest i can get it without it burning is something like 390F |
| 14:26.59 | levi | mheath: Yeah, I caught that when you said it a moment ago. |
| 14:27.13 | mheath | Hmmm. I hope WSU still has my ACT scores |
| 14:27.39 | mheath | I told ACT to send it to them when I took the test, but that was almost a year ago when I was still in highschool. |
| 14:27.50 | graphyx | redbeard1: You could do a meatcake model of the freebsd demon! |
| 14:27.54 | elg | WSU - aren't they the ones that have lots of CS colloquia on one of those research channels on dish network? |
| 14:28.06 | redbeard1 | graphyx: don't think i haven't thought about that. ^_^ |
| 14:28.15 | elg | if they're the same, they had some interesting colloquia, with interesting speakers and a good group of attendees |
| 14:28.27 | mheath | elg, waybe another WSU? We're talking about Weber State University in Utah |
| 14:28.32 | graphyx | redbeard1: Just spewing ideas. |
| 14:28.36 | elg | ah, I think this was washington state |
| 14:28.41 | mheath | There are plenty of WSU's.....Washington State, Wisconsin State, and others I'm sre |
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| 14:29.06 | redbeard1 | graphyx: thanks man. i actually have an idea in my head, i just need to find supplies for it. |
| 14:29.06 | mheath | Hmmm. I only got a 30 on the ACT. I thought I scored higher than that... |
| 14:29.27 | levi | Gah, one of my Canadian mission companions named his daughter M'ija-Magalei. |
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| 14:29.37 | elg | yikes |
| 14:29.55 | levi | All I have to say is WTF. |
| 14:30.52 | levi | Apparently he's finishing up his Economics degree with a minor in Mathematics, after which he's going to get another BS in math education. |
| 14:33.56 | levi | He doesn't make any more sense to me now than he did back then. |
| 14:34.03 | graphyx | who? |
| 14:34.11 | elg | Mr Miyagi |
| 14:35.03 | mheath | I'm a little nervous starting school in the Spring |
| 14:35.21 | mheath | All of the welcome-to-the-university orientatino activities were in the fall, and a lot of the classes are scheduled around people starting in the fall. |
| 14:35.29 | mheath | That first semester might be a little rocky. |
| 14:37.01 | graphyx | don't sweat it. |
| 14:37.17 | graphyx | Just take classes during summer to catch up on the one off classes that you had to take. |
| 14:37.29 | graphyx | Most of the weeder classes are offered both semesters anyway. |
| 14:38.02 | mheath | I hope I don't have to take any calculus classes |
| 14:38.10 | mheath | Calculus does not agree with me well. |
| 14:38.15 | graphyx | What's your major? |
| 14:38.21 | mheath | CS |
| 14:38.25 | mheath | BS in CS |
| 14:38.25 | graphyx | You will. |
| 14:38.30 | levi | You will almost certainly have to take Calculus. |
| 14:38.31 | graphyx | I had to take 2 semesters of it. |
| 14:38.39 | graphyx | IT's not too bad if you dig in. |
| 14:38.49 | mheath | No, I _hate_ it. |
| 14:38.55 | mheath | The one class in highschool that I failed. |
| 14:39.22 | mheath | I see it in the course catalog, but its listed as an optional choice for the BS in CS |
| 14:39.34 | mheath | One of the options under a "Choose one of these" headings |
| 14:39.40 | mheath | Statistics is required. |
| 14:39.49 | levi | Wow, most places require it. |
| 14:40.05 | mheath | Actually, nevermind. its also in another place as required. |
| 14:40.07 | mheath | Two semesters of it |
| 14:40.10 | levi | Calculus isn't really the most critical math for CS in general, but it's essential for numerical computing. |
| 14:41.24 | elg | not to mention DSP |
| 14:41.27 | levi | Calculus, Differential Equations, and Numerical Analysis are all absolutely essential for numerical computing, which is the core of stuff like DSP, computer vision, robotics, etc. |
| 14:41.50 | levi | Along with Linear Algebra. |
| 14:41.53 | levi | Can't forget that one. |
| 14:42.36 | levi | mheath: It would be worthwhile to try and get over your hatred of Calculus before you take the classes. |
| 14:42.41 | elg | oh yeah. take linear algebra, but go into it knowing where it is useful |
| 14:42.50 | elg | there's nothing worse than taking linear algebra without a clue as to why |
| 14:43.00 | elg | well, except for taking it from a chinese guy with a really bad accent |
| 14:43.04 | elg | like I did |
| 14:43.23 | levi | Linear Algebra seemed to me like the math class with the most immediate applicability. |
| 14:43.35 | levi | Probably because I'd already done some little graphics programs. |
| 14:43.37 | elg | calculus is not bad. It's just a for loop with a really small x++ |
| 14:43.47 | elg | levi: exactly |
| 14:44.02 | levi | But that's not the sort of calculus you actually do in Calc class. |
| 14:44.08 | elg | I, otoh, knew it was applicable "to graphics" but had no experience with it, or anything else where it would be relevant |
| 14:44.12 | elg | and it all just fell on the floor |
| 14:44.32 | mheath | Wait |
| 14:44.34 | levi | It turns out Linear Algebra is applicable to far more than graphics. |
| 14:44.36 | elg | levi: sure it is, they just make it more complicated> :) |
| 14:44.42 | mheath | Isn't Linear Algebra just...typical highschool algebra? |
| 14:44.49 | levi | mheath: No. |
| 14:44.58 | elg | yes, it is applicable to say, writing games and dealing with physics |
| 14:45.07 | elg | and cryptography |
| 14:45.17 | elg | linear algebra is matrices |
| 14:45.17 | levi | elg: Finding symbolic solutions is a rather different process than finding numeric solutions, though. |
| 14:45.58 | mheath | I don't understand how calculus is even relevant to CS |
| 14:45.59 | elg | yes, but the essential concept in calculus is that of a summation over infinitessimal delta |
| 14:46.15 | mheath | I don't understand how you could even express a calculus equation in a computer |
| 14:46.17 | elg | at least when I took it, they didn't do a very good job of bringing that point across |
| 14:46.42 | elg | mheath: you will see |
| 14:46.43 | mheath | I was always under the impression that calculus equations were always kind of....faking that your problem made no computational sense until it _did_ |
| 14:46.57 | levi | elg: Indeed; most of the actual mechanics of the class have only a tangential relationship to the core concept, though. At least as far as I remember my calc classes. |
| 14:47.07 | mheath | Like, for example, limits are essentially dividing by 0. |
| 14:47.15 | elg | well yes, they're mostly memorizing rules and tricks |
| 14:47.18 | levi | mheath: Some limits are. |
| 14:47.42 | elg | but if you know the core concept it's not that hard to keep things relevant. if it's just a bunch of crazy unreal rules and tricks, that's when it's hard |
| 14:47.59 | mheath | I only got halfway through the class before I failed out. |
| 14:48.11 | mheath | I had to be dragged through the part of the class I _did_ make it through |
| 14:48.33 | levi | elg: That's definitely true. |
| 14:48.37 | mheath | I like my Algebra :P |
| 14:48.47 | elg | mheath: sounds like me and trig |
| 14:48.55 | mheath | Neat, clean equations, that make sense and solve. |
| 14:48.56 | elg | and I use trig all the time now |
| 14:49.00 | mheath | One side equals the other. |
| 14:49.03 | mheath | Plain and simple :) |
| 14:49.05 | levi | The hardest part of Calculus is the Algebra. ;) |
| 14:49.34 | mheath | mathematics was my worst area on the ACT |
| 14:49.46 | mheath | and I don't think they go into Calculus much if any |
| 14:49.57 | levi | Taking the integral or derivative of an equation often straightforward, but doing anything afterwards often turns into a big algebraic mess. |
| 14:53.04 | mheath | I'm setting up a Linux From Scratch system on this laptop |
| 14:53.17 | mheath | I wanted a Linux system that I could tinker and toy with |
| 14:53.26 | mheath | Figured I start off with a custom system :) |
| 14:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, what's this about a bad knee? |
| 14:53.32 | graphyx | doesn't gentoo count as tinker and toy? |
| 14:53.47 | graphyx | ScytheBlade1: You don't want to ask. he's not happy about it. |
| 14:53.52 | elg | LFS is definitely more hardcore than gentoo |
| 14:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I *just* noticed the topic |
| 14:54.04 | graphyx | elg: I agree. |
| 14:54.20 | elg | imho, if you're going to waste time you best do it right |
| 14:54.31 | levi | If you've never done LFS before, it's worth doing for the experience, but I wouldn't want to use a LFS system as my desktop. |
| 14:54.40 | mheath | levi: it's not. |
| 14:54.41 | elg | I almost did LFS once, but my CPU had trouble compiling - would overheat and do sig11 |
| 14:54.45 | elg | so I didn't. |
| 14:54.50 | mheath | This system is going to be dual-boot |
| 14:54.56 | mheath | Windows is the desktop |
| 14:54.59 | mheath | Linux is the toy. |
| 14:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I've done an LFS before |
| 14:55.22 | levi | elg: My embedded systems have used very minimal from-scratch Linux systems. |
| 14:55.25 | mheath | I'm going to setup the base system, then everything else is going to be stored using GNU Stow. |
| 14:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Three of them actually |
| 14:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, imo, LFS is great for learning |
| 14:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But little else |
| 14:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | embedded systems would be one of the "little else" points it hits |
| 14:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But on a laptop, seriously, if you want to use it *at all*, then don't bother |
| 14:57.18 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I've done an LFS system before. I've bootstrapped a complete GNU system before. |
| 14:57.38 | levi | Why dual-boot? Just run a vmware image with your LFS stuff. |
| 14:57.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Then why are you doing it again? (curious) |
| 14:57.48 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, this isn't a serious desktop system. Just a toy. |
| 14:57.51 | mheath | Something to play with. |
| 14:59.13 | elg | well, I've hit the limits of flickr free |
| 14:59.34 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, well, then power to you, but hey, your time to blow ;) |
| 14:59.48 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I have nothing to do for the next 3 months. |
| 14:59.55 | mheath | Until school starts. |
| 15:00.05 | levi | mheath: You might want to consider playing with calculus in your free time so you don't hate it so much when your classes come around. |
| 15:00.34 | mheath | Meh. |
| 15:00.35 | levi | You could write some numeric and symbolic integration/differentiation programs. |
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| 15:00.44 | mheath | Be back later. |
| 15:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | You know levi |
| 15:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually an ingenious suggestion |
| 15:01.47 | levi | Well, they're actually oft-used example programs in higher-level language texts. |
| 15:02.11 | levi | SICP has both, IIRC, as have some of the ML texts I've been reading lately. |
| 15:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Still |
| 15:03.45 | levi | Back when I was in high school, I pondered how one might write a symbolic differentiator. Now I know; with a language that is good at symbol manipulation. ;) |
| 15:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 15:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll be a bit before I hit calc |
| 15:04.19 | elg | ~hit calc |
| 15:04.20 | ibot | ACTION kicks calc. |
| 15:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a crappy algebra teacher, in the sense that he spent a week on how 1a+2a=3a |
| 15:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, I understood the concept |
| 15:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't mean we really got past that point |
| 15:05.09 | levi | You'll probably want to review your algebra before you take calc, then. |
| 15:05.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't be taking calc right off the bat ;) |
| 15:05.23 | levi | Since, as I said, the algebra is often the trickiest part of a calc problem. |
| 15:06.44 | levi | I wish I had the time to learn all my maths a little better. Whenever I bump against a need for math skills, I find myself lacking. :/ |
| 15:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 15:07.02 | levi | At least I know enough to know generally where and how I'm lacking. |
| 15:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, quick question for you |
| 15:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | What systems do you do embedded stuff for? |
| 15:07.38 | levi | What do you mean by 'what systems'? |
| 15:07.56 | levi | CPU architectures? |
| 15:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | an i386 with a read-only media or a cell phone |
| 15:08.30 | levi | Oh. I did one on a x86 DIMM-PC, which was programatically just like a tiny PC, with a BIOS and everything. |
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| 15:08.59 | levi | The other was on a more traditional embedded board, with a nios2 cpu, a ram chip, and a flash chip. |
| 15:09.09 | levi | I guess it had an ethernet chip, too. |
| 15:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | All that I've ever done was a pair of soekris boards |
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| 15:09.49 | levi | It doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you've already got a kernel, C libraries, and compilers that work. |
| 15:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just a matter (for me anyways) of getting a compiler that works for the arch I need it to :P |
| 15:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Best I've ever managed was the kernel uname hack, but then again, I've never had need to go outside of x86 |
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| 15:17.45 | levi | The key is to select your arch based on Linux support. ;) |
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| 15:45.54 | mheath | Wow. I'm not used to compiling on such a fast computer. I like it :) |
| 15:46.38 | mheath | Heres the big one...GCC. Timefor a snack, I think :) |
| 15:53.34 | ^Migs^ | what's the specs on your computer? |
| 15:53.44 | ^Migs^ | I'm wondering how it compares to my compiling computer |
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| 16:06.50 | mheath | 2ghz Mobile Sempron with 512MB of RAM |
| 16:06.53 | mheath | not blazing fast |
| 16:07.00 | mheath | but I'm used to compiling on like 450mhz machines |
| 16:07.41 | emcnabb | this week I've been working on a 16 way box (8 Processor, 16 Core) |
| 16:07.45 | emcnabb | very speedy |
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| 16:32.15 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 16:32.56 | elg | wow, those funny bug things that live in a milk carton on ernie's windowsill are now computer graphicsed |
| 16:33.01 | elg | and they live in a chinese takeout box now |
| 16:55.15 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
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| 17:03.37 | EpP | atoponce, it look like they are switching servers... its ssh.ofloo.org |
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| 17:23.00 | rsimpkins | Who here has a job? |
| 17:23.19 | ^Migs^ | job doing what? |
| 17:23.22 | rsimpkins | Who here uses Linux, and whos company/school/organization is not in the local companies list? |
| 17:25.11 | rsimpkins | Log in to plug.org, and add your company today! You get points for doign so. :) http://www.plug.org/companies |
| 17:27.24 | levi | emcnabb: What kind of box is that? |
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| 17:27.53 | byronw | wow |
| 17:28.16 | byronw | hows it going? |
| 17:28.40 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: Hi. |
| 17:28.46 | watrmouse | how are you |
| 17:28.51 | rsimpkins | Good, how are you? |
| 17:29.00 | watrmouse | good |
| 17:29.09 | watrmouse | what server is this? |
| 17:29.16 | watrmouse | dalnet? efnet? |
| 17:29.20 | rsimpkins | Freenode: www.freenode.net |
| 17:29.24 | watrmouse | oh |
| 17:29.29 | watrmouse | hrm |
| 17:29.34 | watrmouse | well i know its freenode |
| 17:29.34 | levi | How did you get here without knowing which server? |
| 17:29.36 | rsimpkins | Only the BEST server out there. :) |
| 17:29.39 | watrmouse | hehe |
| 17:30.00 | watrmouse | I got here because my work "company" room in on here, they just advised me to /connect irc.freenode |
| 17:30.10 | watrmouse | I use irssi so i am on multiple servers |
| 17:30.11 | rsimpkins | Cool. |
| 17:30.27 | watrmouse | how you all doing today? |
| 17:30.39 | rsimpkins | Where is your company watrmouse? |
| 17:30.46 | ^Migs^ | that was kind of a dumb question then, if you typed /connect irc.freenode and still didn't know what server it was |
| 17:30.56 | emcnabb | levi: it's a test box from one of our vendors |
| 17:31.09 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: If you have never connected to freenode before it might be confusing? |
| 17:31.12 | watrmouse | ^Migs^: i wasnt sure, because you can connect to EFnET through irc.prison |
| 17:31.19 | rsimpkins | emcnabb: Who is the vendor? |
| 17:31.25 | watrmouse | and multi other servers |
| 17:31.35 | emcnabb | rsimpkins: Shouldn't use names |
| 17:31.35 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 17:31.38 | watrmouse | rsimpkins: i work for sendoutcards.com |
| 17:31.47 | ^Migs^ | that's actually irc.prison.net, not irc.prison |
| 17:31.54 | levi | emcnabb: What cpu architecture? |
| 17:31.59 | watrmouse | ^Migs^: i know |
| 17:32.04 | ^Migs^ | you obviously did not know |
| 17:32.05 | emcnabb | x86_64 (AMD) |
| 17:32.13 | watrmouse | i thought the .net would be obvious |
| 17:32.17 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:32.24 | watrmouse | How would i not know if i connect to it daily |
| 17:32.24 | watrmouse | ? |
| 17:32.27 | ^Migs^ | some are .com, for instance |
| 17:32.41 | watrmouse | well yah, i am fully aware of that |
| 17:32.44 | ^Migs^ | you can also reach efnet through irc.efnet.info |
| 17:32.44 | watrmouse | I dont use mIRC |
| 17:32.51 | ^Migs^ | mIRC has nothing to do with it |
| 17:33.01 | watrmouse | I use terminal on linux, which you have to manually enter in the servers |
| 17:33.02 | ^Migs^ | stop trying to change the subject |
| 17:33.05 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: Generally when you connect you get the MOTD and can see what network you are on - but it's not a big deal. Welcome. Welcome. |
| 17:33.11 | ^Migs^ | no one cares what you use |
| 17:33.41 | emcnabb | watrmouse: just ignore ^Migs^. It was one of the best decisions I've made |
| 17:33.45 | watrmouse | Well obviously you seem to think i am some idiot |
| 17:33.50 | levi | emcnabb: I'm curious how the performance is compared to a 4-way Opteron. In our experience, the 8-ways were not worth the extra expense. |
| 17:33.53 | emcnabb | besides ignoring mheath and sargun |
| 17:33.58 | ^Migs^ | I'm still undecided on that, watrmouse |
| 17:33.58 | watrmouse | hehe, ^Migs^ is interesting at best |
| 17:34.09 | ^Migs^ | You do not need to talk about me in the third person. I am right here. |
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| 17:34.15 | emcnabb | levi: I haven't done any performance testing on it |
| 17:34.27 | emcnabb | just verifying some bugs |
| 17:34.53 | levi | emcnabb: Linux has some interesting issues with systems like that, too. Like running out of mtrr space, or something like that. |
| 17:35.01 | watrmouse | what would you like me to call you if you dont want me to use ^Migs^ |
| 17:35.03 | levi | I don't remember the details. |
| 17:35.14 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: What do you do for sendoutcards? |
| 17:35.14 | ^Migs^ | you clearly missed the point |
| 17:35.20 | watrmouse | i may have |
| 17:35.30 | watrmouse | rsimpkins: I am there software tester/programmer |
| 17:35.37 | emcnabb | levi: interesting |
| 17:35.38 | ^Migs^ | perhaps you should think before speaking |
| 17:35.42 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: Great. What do you develop in? |
| 17:35.47 | ^Migs^ | "their," not "there" |
| 17:35.58 | watrmouse | oh great another grammer nazi |
| 17:36.04 | watrmouse | rsimpkins: perl |
| 17:36.11 | ^Migs^ | grammar, not grammer |
| 17:36.15 | watrmouse | heh |
| 17:36.19 | ^Migs^ | and that's spelling, not grammar. |
| 17:36.21 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: Cool. Is the company in Provo/Orem? |
| 17:36.22 | watrmouse | thanks, i seemed to have missed that one also |
| 17:36.30 | watrmouse | rsimpkins: naw, its in SLC |
| 17:36.42 | ^Migs^ | And I'm hardly a "grammar/spelling nazi." I'm HELPING you look more intelligent, something you're clearly in dire need of. |
| 17:36.44 | levi | emcnabb: We were developing boards that could be linked together to create 8-way configurations, but performance was really no better than the 4-ways, so we scrapped that idea. 8-way Opterons are ridiculously expensive. |
| 17:38.02 | watrmouse | ^Migs^: I appreciate your kindness, thank you for volunteering on such needs |
| 17:38.07 | emcnabb | levi: they just sent me the box so with a list of issues, so I've been checking them out. I don't know what the target market is for the box or what the hard performance numbers are |
| 17:38.20 | watrmouse | rsimpkins: what about you, where do you work at? |
| 17:38.26 | elg | emcnabb: I think you should see how many instances of bzflag it can run at once |
| 17:38.28 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: I'm an SA at Omniture. |
| 17:38.34 | emcnabb | levi: but that's interesting about what you've seen |
| 17:38.41 | watrmouse | ahh, ok. |
| 17:38.47 | emcnabb | ~bzflag elg |
| 17:38.52 | ^Migs^ | You are most welcome, watrmouse, and I will continue to offer my services |
| 17:38.53 | elg | ~frag emcnabb |
| 17:38.54 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at emcnabb |
| 17:38.54 | emcnabb | -bzflag elf |
| 17:39.23 | levi | emcnabb: I imagine there must be some use to all those processor cores. :) Maybe they have a higher-bandwidth hypertransport bus or something different than what we were doing. |
| 17:40.43 | rsimpkins | watrmouse: You should get a plug account and add your company: www.plug.org |
| 17:40.58 | watrmouse | I am actually on the website now, checking it out |
| 17:41.19 | rsimpkins | If anyone signs up please let me know and I'll activate you right away. |
| 17:42.57 | emcnabb | levi: could be |
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| 17:44.09 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: i let you know in a different window about a dude |
| 17:48.05 | graphyx | Anyone got any recommendations for a CHEAP Small Form Factor system that could be used for Network Attached Storage? |
| 17:51.03 | rsimpkins | get a MB, a PS, and a HDD and stick it in a pizza box. ;) |
| 17:51.33 | findlay | pepperoni computer |
| 17:51.41 | macnewbold | a little greasy, no? |
| 17:51.50 | rsimpkins | You can get a clean one. |
| 17:51.59 | graphyx | I think he is trying to suggest an "oil based" cooling system. |
| 17:52.02 | rsimpkins | But the grease adds character. |
| 17:52.25 | findlay | and flavor |
| 17:52.42 | graphyx | When the computer gets hot, it will emit the small of pizza, fueling the desire to consume pizza. |
| 17:52.48 | rsimpkins | The PS fan blowing over the box will make your room smell OH SO good. |
| 17:52.58 | graphyx | sounds like Pizza hut should give those out for free. |
| 17:53.09 | graphyx | What about a cheap NAS? |
| 17:53.41 | rsimpkins | I speced out a system using parts from newegg and I think it came to around 200 bucks. |
| 17:54.12 | rsimpkins | cheapest ram, mb, case, hdd, etc. |
| 17:54.24 | graphyx | I see.. |
| 17:54.36 | rsimpkins | That is with a 160GB hdd too. |
| 17:54.48 | rsimpkins | $172 to be exact. |
| 17:55.19 | graphyx | not too bad. |
| 17:55.24 | graphyx | Perhaps I'll do that. |
| 17:56.01 | rsimpkins | Based on the specs you can get a pretty decent system for sub $200 now-a-days. at least for most utility/home type work. Couldn't play games on it. :) |
| 17:56.26 | rsimpkins | Well, at least not anything more advanced that nethack. |
| 17:56.39 | graphyx | well you could, but probably not the games you would first think that you wanted to play. |
| 17:56.47 | rsimpkins | true. |
| 17:57.00 | rsimpkins | My PIII800 would play some pretty decent games. |
| 17:58.53 | graphyx | Hey, that windows 2000 pinball!!! |
| 17:58.55 | graphyx | That's great stff. |
| 17:58.57 | graphyx | stuff. |
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| 18:33.38 | mheath | rsimpkins: You can find free ~450mhz machines pretty easily now. They're usually capable of running things like the original Half-Life |
| 18:34.16 | mheath | Particularly if they have something decent for their era like an ATI Rage 128 |
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| 18:53.46 | goozbach | for the LOVE!!! if I wanted rain every afternoon I'd have moved to Seattle. |
| 18:53.51 | goozbach | this is supposed to be the "Sunshine State" |
| 18:54.03 | ^Migs^ | do people in Seattle want rain every afternoon? |
| 18:54.29 | goozbach | no but they expect it |
| 18:54.30 | Tene | I want rain every afternoon. I plan to move to seattle eventually. |
| 18:54.47 | ^Migs^ | imo, Seattle doesn't rain ENUFF |
| 18:54.49 | goozbach | I'm in FLORIDA for Pete's sake! |
| 18:54.55 | ^Migs^ | zomg! |
| 18:55.02 | ^Migs^ | rain in FLORIDA!?!?!?! |
| 18:55.09 | goozbach | rain EVERY afternoon is getting old |
| 18:55.12 | goozbach | and it's hot |
| 18:55.14 | goozbach | muggy |
| 18:55.17 | goozbach | and humid |
| 18:55.27 | ^Migs^ | Yes. DIdn't you know that before you moved there? |
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| 18:59.46 | levi | ~bucky ^Migs^ |
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| 19:01.00 | ^Migs^ | -lart dilvie |
| 19:01.06 | levi | ~buckybot ^Migs^ |
| 19:01.08 | ibot | ^Migs^: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
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| 19:01.15 | levi | Ahh, there we go. |
| 19:06.33 | watrmouse | wow, alot more people then i thought visit this room |
| 19:06.49 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 19:06.56 | goozbach | muggy, I can handle |
| 19:06.57 | graphyx | It's a common hangout for PLug people. |
| 19:07.01 | goozbach | hot, I expected |
| 19:07.09 | goozbach | but RAIN EVERY FREAKING DAY?! |
| 19:07.22 | ^Migs^ | what is that supposed to mean, watrmouse? |
| 19:07.32 | watrmouse | Meaning people that I know |
| 19:07.53 | elg | goozbach: florida not all it's cracked up to be? or do the hot girls come out in the rain too? |
| 19:08.03 | ^Migs^ | the way you said that made it sound like you're capable of just thinking up people |
| 19:08.14 | ^Migs^ | FLorida blows |
| 19:08.22 | elg | someone's having a good day |
| 19:08.23 | watrmouse | I am very capable of that. |
| 19:08.27 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know why anyone bothers living there, unless they're beach bums |
| 19:08.58 | ^Migs^ | LIES |
| 19:09.04 | Jayce^ | bikini weenie's... and Ron Johns... those are the reasons to be there |
| 19:10.28 | elg | proximity to cuba |
| 19:10.30 | goozbach | all my hate of florida goes out the window at least three times a month |
| 19:10.45 | Jayce^ | hurricane time? |
| 19:11.02 | goozbach | once when I get my paycheck, and the couple times I drive by FSU's campus as classes are getting out. :) |
| 19:11.36 | elg | can't you get a laptop and work from on campus a day a week? |
| 19:12.17 | goozbach | ohh that'd be fun |
| 19:15.30 | ^Migs^ | why is FSU's campus so great? |
| 19:15.46 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 19:15.47 | ^Migs^ | never mind |
| 19:16.07 | elg | ok, gurus and ex-gurus, how do I choose a hotel? http://icmc2006.org/ in local information |
| 19:17.42 | redbeard1 | elg: flip a coin |
| 19:17.49 | levi | elg: You have to pick your own hotel? |
| 19:18.04 | elg | ya. they reimburse though |
| 19:18.24 | redbeard1 | well, i was gonna say motel 6, but if they reimburse... |
| 19:18.42 | levi | Probably go for the conference hotel, then. Or whichever one is closest. |
| 19:19.34 | elg | well the conf is at Tulane Univ |
| 19:19.52 | elg | and they're all about the same distance. so I'm thinking the discrimination will be based on internet access |
| 19:20.03 | elg | is internet included these days, or is it usually an extra charge? |
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| 19:20.28 | mheath | elg: usually included |
| 19:20.28 | levi | Depends on the hotel. |
| 19:20.42 | mheath | With variations between free wireless, or ethernet ports in the rooms |
| 19:21.16 | levi | Is it a 'we need to offer free access to be competitive' market, or a 'everyone else gouges for it, so we will too' market? |
| 19:21.40 | ^Migs^ | maybe a combo of both |
| 19:22.18 | mheath | mmm, I _love_ that I can start building GCC, go away for a very short while, and have it done when I get back :) |
| 19:23.38 | redbeard1 | does anyone here know more about dd (the *nix program, not the, er, clothing size) that what the man page says? |
| 19:24.49 | mheath | redbeard1: If its a GNU program (I can't remember), there will be texinfo documentation |
| 19:24.52 | bonez39 | I am installing winxppro on another machine in my office, it wants to knwo the DNS servers...I didn't know what to enter there |
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| 19:25.51 | mheath | redbeard1: yeah, info dd provides a bit more. |
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| 19:44.14 | goozbach | elg: for a conference? |
| 19:44.21 | goozbach | call the info line and ask |
| 19:50.26 | graphyx | redbeard1: You read the blog about the guy who duplicated the pizza from the upscale restaurant? |
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| 19:52.03 | redbeard1 | graphyx: nope, where is that? |
| 19:54.28 | mrpull-v | graphyx: i saw that. somehow they are going to say it is cicumvision of copyright and invoke the DMCA |
| 19:55.41 | macnewbold | can you copyright a pizza? or do you have to patent it? |
| 19:55.56 | macnewbold | prior art ought to come into play too |
| 19:56.04 | mheath | good question |
| 19:56.17 | mheath | cooking seems like it would fall more under patent |
| 19:56.24 | mheath | its a process, not a work of art. |
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| 20:03.30 | redbeard1 | i've been to many a place where they seem to think the pizza is a work of art, when it obviously isn't. would they have to prove that it's art, if they try to claim prior art? |
| 20:04.04 | goozbach | I thought you coudln't copyright a recipie |
| 20:04.22 | redbeard1 | can't you? |
| 20:04.36 | goozbach | I read that somewhere |
| 20:04.43 | goozbach | maybe I'm just up in the night |
| 20:04.43 | mrpull-v | it's funny to see people in airports in "fancy clothes" that look like pajamas |
| 20:05.00 | redbeard1 | i know you can patent a restaurant procedure tho.. remember how subway used to cut their sandwiches? they owned a patent on that method |
| 20:05.24 | goozbach | hmm |
| 20:05.46 | redbeard1 | of course, they never seemed to enforce it, and they no longer use it anyway |
| 20:06.58 | mheath | Food is patented. |
| 20:07.10 | redbeard1 | there are plants that have patents |
| 20:07.10 | mheath | Some special processes (Coca-Cola) have patents. |
| 20:07.21 | mrpull-v | i liked the subway cut. remember that petition website to bring it back? |
| 20:07.37 | mheath | redbeard1: that reminds me of when an office error erroneously assigned a patent for a type of apple tree to Microsoft. |
| 20:07.40 | redbeard1 | there was a petition website to bring it back? that's funny. |
| 20:08.02 | redbeard1 | heh. i bet ms would love to have their own apple tree patent. |
| 20:08.45 | graphyx | redbeard1: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:RON2w4qXUU4J:www.think2020.com/jv/recipe.htm+http://www.think2020.com/jv/recipe.htm&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 20:09.05 | macnewbold | I really disliked the subway cut, at least the way that many of their people implemented it |
| 20:09.40 | graphyx | The original website was getting hit too much from a digging, so they took it down. |
| 20:09.50 | graphyx | The kicker is this. You have to have an oven that will do 825 Degrees. |
| 20:10.07 | redbeard1 | oog. you know, i've never been a fan of new york style pizzas... those pictures don't look all that great to me |
| 20:10.21 | redbeard1 | but i guess it's all about flavor, right? and i haven't tasted them yet |
| 20:10.41 | macnewbold | if you copyright a recipe, that doesn't stop someone else from using it to make the dish, nor from making a recipe themselves that happens to be extremely similar or the same |
| 20:10.42 | mheath | There was a place here in Ogden that had pizza with barbecue duck. |
| 20:10.47 | mheath | Quite tasty |
| 20:11.00 | graphyx | When I was in Italy on my mission, there was this little pizza shop right off the main area where we would do street contacting. |
| 20:11.16 | mheath | There's pizza in Italy? |
| 20:11.19 | graphyx | For 3.5-6 K lire you could get a 2"x2" slice of pizza. |
| 20:11.26 | graphyx | IT was the BEST! |
| 20:11.33 | graphyx | 3.5-6 was 2-4 Dollars. |
| 20:11.42 | mheath | Isn't pizza an American twist on Italy? |
| 20:11.55 | mheath | IE, pizza in Italy came from the USA, right? |
| 20:12.03 | graphyx | I am quite sure they employed some of the techniques that the link I just listed used. |
| 20:12.19 | graphyx | mheath: I am quite sure Italy came up with pizza first. |
| 20:12.29 | graphyx | However american pizza isn't much like the Italian pizza. |
| 20:12.37 | redbeard1 | mheath: there are versions of pizza in italy that certainly came first, but they're much different than what we have here |
| 20:12.39 | graphyx | In nothern italy at least the pizza is quite flat. |
| 20:12.59 | graphyx | And you could consume an entire pizza for lunch with room left over for other stuff. |
| 20:13.02 | mheath | I was under the impression that the pizza we have here is, though heavily inspired by italian food, very much american |
| 20:13.05 | graphyx | each person would order one. |
| 20:13.10 | redbeard1 | i belive pizza margharita was around long before the united states came around |
| 20:13.16 | graphyx | And then use knife and fork to cut, roll, and put in mouth. |
| 20:13.18 | ^Migs^ | I think pizza definitely came from Italy |
| 20:13.21 | redbeard1 | s/belive/believe/ |
| 20:13.24 | mheath | I wish there was a decent italian place here in the SLC city |
| 20:13.30 | mheath | *SLC area |
| 20:13.35 | graphyx | Go to Provo, |
| 20:13.41 | mheath | Why don't we have a little italy? |
| 20:13.42 | ^Migs^ | in fact, nearly every so-called "American" food came from somewhere else. The exception, ironically, is fortune cookies, which originated in America. |
| 20:13.49 | graphyx | They have like 6 italian places in like 1 sq mile. |
| 20:13.56 | neybar | mmm, pizza |
| 20:14.04 | neybar | I really miss italian pizza |
| 20:14.09 | redbeard1 | ^Migs^: chop suey was also invented in america. in texas, just like the fortune cookie. |
| 20:14.15 | graphyx | ^Migs^: Which now are all foreignly made and imported. |
| 20:14.18 | mheath | graphyx: I don't mean a nice restraunt with 'italian food', I mean a little family owned place with insane amounts of actual italian cuisine :) |
| 20:14.31 | graphyx | mheath: That is what I was talking about. |
| 20:14.38 | ^Migs^ | really now? |
| 20:14.40 | redbeard1 | mheath: you should try out michaelangelos in sugarhouse |
| 20:14.44 | ^Migs^ | see, there's two original AMERICAN foods |
| 20:14.45 | graphyx | family owned and operated where the cooks all speak italian. |
| 20:14.57 | mheath | ^Migs^: french fries and potato chips |
| 20:15.00 | mheath | Apple pie... |
| 20:15.02 | mheath | Hamburgers :P |
| 20:15.12 | graphyx | Are you sure french fries didn't come from france? |
| 20:15.13 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 20:15.13 | ^Migs^ | I think the British actually had those first, mheath |
| 20:15.15 | neybar | kraft singles |
| 20:15.20 | redbeard1 | actually, apple pie was made in england before here, it just wasn't that common |
| 20:15.32 | mheath | ^Migs^: Not potato chips. They were invented in new york state. |
| 20:15.34 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 20:15.37 | graphyx | Don't forget freedom fries, freedom dressing, freedom rolls, etc... |
| 20:15.39 | ^Migs^ | NY PWNS |
| 20:16.04 | mheath | I believe that hamburgers are American too.... |
| 20:17.46 | ^Migs^ | I don't think so |
| 20:17.47 | redbeard1 | wow. wikipedia has a nice little article detailing various origins of the hamburger |
| 20:17.49 | ^Migs^ | french fries are belgian |
| 20:17.57 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I was about to look on wikipedia |
| 20:18.13 | mheath | How are french fries belgian? |
| 20:18.22 | mheath | Europe didn't even have potatoes until a few centuries ago |
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| 20:18.58 | ^Migs^ | I thought they were |
| 20:19.02 | mrpull-v | mheath: did "america" have potatoes a few centuries ago? |
| 20:19.22 | neybar | why would the lack of potatoes have any bering on whether or not french fries were created in belgum |
| 20:19.42 | redbeard1 | potatoes are native to america, specifically central and south american, but they've been in europe for centuries |
| 20:19.46 | mrpull-v | redbeard1: did you see the mario wedding cake? http://www.flickr.com/photos/alttext/246142953/ |
| 20:19.48 | ^Migs^ | it looks like the origin is dubious, but Belgium and Spain both claim it, and the French insist it's Belgian in origin |
| 20:19.48 | ^Migs^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries#Origin |
| 20:20.56 | mheath | mrpull-v: Yes, it did. Potatoes are a new world vegetable. |
| 20:21.01 | ^Migs^ | haha, that's hilarious |
| 20:21.14 | mheath | mrpull-v: Thats the reason that Ireland had such a problem with a potato famine while we were OK |
| 20:21.14 | ^Migs^ | I'd show it to my coworker in the next cubicle, except he thinks that anytime I share a link with him we have to talk about it for 20 minutes |
| 20:21.38 | mheath | Only a few varities of potatoes were exported to ireland |
| 20:22.52 | redbeard1 | mheath: actually, i believe the potato famine had to do with incorrect cultivation of the potatoes... seeing as they're technically members of the nightshade family, and any part growing above ground is, in fact, poisonous |
| 20:23.05 | redbeard1 | the tubors, if grown incorrectly, are also poisonous |
| 20:23.14 | mheath | redbeard1: no, it was from variety-specific diseases. |
| 20:23.33 | mheath | Like I said; only a few varities were exported to ireland |
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| 20:23.54 | redbeard1 | mheath: references? |
| 20:23.59 | mrpull-v | my head hurts. i dont want to get on this plane. |
| 20:24.50 | mheath | redbeard1: don't have any. we discussed the topic extensively in my college european history class |
| 20:25.21 | mheath | my leg started to hurt really, really, bad |
| 20:25.32 | mheath | just stood up and walked upstairs normally....a really intense ache |
| 20:25.40 | goozbach | ohh making me some pizza |
| 20:25.59 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 20:26.15 | ^Migs^ | who are the bride and groom in that mario wedding cake picture? |
| 20:26.42 | mheath | I have no idea what I did to my leg |
| 20:26.44 | mheath | it aches _bad_ |
| 20:27.02 | mheath | like the whole lower leg... |
| 20:27.07 | mrpull-v | mario and peach? |
| 20:27.09 | Tene | did you hurt your knee? |
| 20:27.22 | mheath | Tene: thats a knee injury on the other leg |
| 20:27.22 | Tene | >.> |
| 20:27.22 | ^Migs^ | I mean, did you look at the other pictures, of the bride and groom? |
| 20:27.42 | mheath | Tene: all I did was stand up and walk upstairs, and the lower part of the _other_ leg started to ache intensely |
| 20:27.51 | Tene | were you sitting strangely? |
| 20:27.51 | mheath | based in the lower leg, too, not by the knee |
| 20:27.55 | mheath | no |
| 20:28.07 | mheath | sitting with my leg straight out, slightly bent. Just sitting in a bannana chair. |
| 20:28.22 | mheath | Its starting to go down a little, but still has a bad ache. |
| 20:28.33 | Tene | maybe you pinched a nerve or something higher up in the leg |
| 20:29.01 | mheath | if I keep having problems with it, I'll ask the doctor when I'm in for my knee on friday |
| 20:29.06 | mrpull-v | ^Migs^: nah... are they a handsome couple? |
| 20:29.08 | mheath | I have an appointment with an orthopedic doctor |
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| 20:29.51 | mheath | my knees been bothering me anyway....time to take some tylenol. |
| 20:29.59 | ^Migs^ | handsome would be one way of putting it, for both of them |
| 20:30.20 | mrpull-v | grind up some asprin in your pudding if you feel a little fussy |
| 20:31.52 | mheath | this other legs been giving me a lot of aching problems for a few weeks |
| 20:32.09 | redbeard1 | mheath: i did some research, you are correct about the potato blight; it was a fungus. however, apparently the first potato hit spain in 1537, and spread from there. there is mention of pommes frites (the french term for french fries) in french cookbooks as early as 1807, a few decades before the potato blight. |
| 20:32.39 | mheath | back when I was still at the recruit depot and my knee was having a lot more problems, whenever we had to stand up for a while, I always had to put all my weight on the other leg |
| 20:33.18 | mheath | redbeard1: yes, but it was only a few varities of potates exported to Europe. |
| 20:33.24 | mheath | There are hundreds of varities of potatoes here in the USA |
| 20:33.26 | mrpull-v | errr... looks like the type of girl that would go for a mario cake |
| 20:33.54 | mheath | Thats why the potato famine affected Europe so horribly and didn't cause much of a problem here in the USA |
| 20:34.01 | mheath | the potato crop here was far more resilient |
| 20:34.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.bash.org/?678715 |
| 20:35.12 | mheath | Wish I had a decent web brower at the moment |
| 20:37.28 | tensai | here in eastern idaho there are tv commercials about this and that to fight potato blight |
| 20:38.26 | tensai | elg: thanks for the tip about netflix. I scratched out the Charleston, SC address and wrote in Boise, ID on my return mailer. |
| 20:39.04 | elg | did you write the whole address, or just Boise, ID? :) |
| 20:41.35 | macnewbold | tensai, elg: I did some tests with netflix envelopes from all over the US, mailing them all on the same day. They all arrived one day later to NetFlix, presumably all at the "Nearest Netflix Shipping Facility" in Salt Lake City, rather than actually going to their stated destinations. |
| 20:42.05 | tensai | elg: the po box and boise, id |
| 20:42.09 | macnewbold | I've never had a disc I mailed arrive to NetFlix later than the next mail day after I sent it (next day, or monday if I mailed saturday, or the day after a USPS holiday) |
| 20:42.21 | elg | oh good, glad i could help |
| 20:42.43 | macnewbold | have you two seen stuff get returned slowly when in envelopes to distant places? |
| 20:42.44 | elg | macnewbold: have you ever sent one across 4 western states? |
| 20:43.17 | macnewbold | I know my test included one in at least Missouri and I think Texas was the other one. I've also sent ones to California. |
| 20:43.22 | tensai | macnewbold: I haven't but elg said he did. getting the movie here certainly took a long time. |
| 20:43.33 | macnewbold | I think I've had something east of the mississippi, but I'm not positive |
| 20:43.37 | elg | yeah, when it went to seattle it took longer than when it went to albuquerque. http://hans.fugal.net/typo/articles/2006/08/31/netflix-experiments |
| 20:43.41 | macnewbold | yes, _getting_it_here_ does take longer |
| 20:43.47 | macnewbold | cause it is actually coming from that site |
| 20:44.01 | macnewbold | I think the post office redirects them all to the nearest center when you send them |
| 20:44.05 | goozbach | maybe I'll move to minnesota: http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/2006/09/strumpdate.html |
| 20:44.10 | macnewbold | regardless of where they say they're from |
| 20:44.24 | elg | macnewbold: there have been rumours or such, or that the post office scans the barcodes |
| 20:44.31 | elg | but my experiments seem to indicate otherwise |
| 20:44.37 | macnewbold | I had one take about a week to get to me |
| 20:44.43 | elg | I sent a batch of 3 at the same time and in the same mailbox |
| 20:44.49 | elg | no, 4 |
| 20:44.56 | elg | the two going to alb. arrived the next day |
| 20:45.02 | elg | the two going to denver and seattle didn't |
| 20:45.18 | macnewbold | when I did that, they all arrived to NF the next day, even though the locations where very distant, and took more than a day to arrive to me. |
| 20:45.45 | tensai | maybe elg's mailman is just lazy? |
| 20:45.52 | mheath | Netflix is growing obsolete. |
| 20:46.07 | mheath | As amazon increases their unbox inventory |
| 20:46.16 | tensai | or maybe macnewbold's mailman is pulling off a netflix-in-the-middle attack |
| 20:46.25 | mheath | They need to come up with a subscriber service, then netflix will be almost entirely obsolete |
| 20:46.32 | tensai | bah, unbox is crap at this point |
| 20:46.33 | elg | tensai: oh the mail here is terrible |
| 20:46.39 | elg | which is why I sent them all at once |
| 20:46.57 | elg | to get rid of that factor. obviously they got out of las cruces that first day |
| 20:47.09 | mheath | tensai: I agree. I got ripped off. But once they fix the minor technical problems and come up wtih a subscription service, netflix will be entirely obsolete. |
| 20:47.15 | elg | or, perhaps they sat in a bin for a couple of days because they weren't headed for abq |
| 20:47.22 | macnewbold | what does unbox cost? |
| 20:47.24 | macnewbold | ~unbox |
| 20:47.29 | macnewbold | I've never heard of it until now |
| 20:47.35 | tensai | elg: or the mule train got hungry and stopped for lunch |
| 20:47.45 | elg | or went to the beach |
| 20:47.47 | mheath | macnewbold: $1.99-$3.99 for 'rental' (one watch) downloads. $11.99-$13.99 for ownership. |
| 20:47.55 | mheath | macnewbold: unbox is amazon.com's new movie download service |
| 20:48.09 | macnewbold | ah, downloadable |
| 20:48.13 | tensai | http://www.blogmaverick.com/2006/09/08/internet-movie-downloads-vs-store-dvds-a-quick-biz-lesson/ |
| 20:48.30 | mheath | macnewbold: yes. Once they come up with a subscription service (and I'm sure they will), netflix will be obsolete for broadband users. |
| 20:48.30 | macnewbold | it won't obsolete netflix |
| 20:48.36 | bonez39 | anyone know how to approach installing linux over a network? |
| 20:48.57 | macnewbold | you'd need very good broadband (and no quota) to make it very feasible to use heavily, |
| 20:49.06 | macnewbold | and if they're not burnable, |
| 20:49.15 | macnewbold | or if you don't have a burner in your computer, |
| 20:49.17 | elg | I'm not familiar with unbox, but I highly doubt any downloading service that makes the MPAA happy will be better than netflix |
| 20:49.20 | macnewbold | or don't want to spend time burning them, |
| 20:49.27 | macnewbold | then they're not a replacement for real discs |
| 20:49.46 | macnewbold | how do they determine "one watch"? DRM? |
| 20:49.47 | macnewbold | are they cross platform? |
| 20:50.50 | mheath | macnewbold: not yet. Yes, DRM; you have to use the "Amazon Unbox player" which controls how much you watch things |
| 20:51.11 | mheath | (and which is currently broken; I paid $3.99 to download a movie for a single watch, and it said I watched it when I never did) |
| 20:51.31 | macnewbold | exactly why it won't replace netflix, blockbuster, redbox, etc. |
| 20:51.40 | elg | yup, definately sounds like a netflix killer |
| 20:51.43 | tensai | major problem #1: practically nobody wants to watch a movie on their computer. without a good way to get it to people's tvs/theaters, it won't fly |
| 20:51.47 | macnewbold | and you can't watch it on your TV in your regular DVD player |
| 20:51.53 | macnewbold | that's going to kill unbox right there :) |
| 20:52.10 | macnewbold | if anyone can do it right, it will be apple with itunes, |
| 20:52.18 | macnewbold | but they've got an uphill battle still |
| 20:52.57 | tensai | I recon that the bandwidth of shoving out all those movies rivals the postage costs of dvds |
| 20:53.22 | tensai | especially if they're actually dvd quality, which at this point they're not |
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| 21:00.22 | ^Migs^ | no kidding |
| 21:00.58 | ^Migs^ | Netflix et al aren't going anywhere |
| 21:03.25 | levi | I'll believe Netflix is losing marketshare to a download service when bandwidth is available at reasonable prices to everyone with a mailbox. |
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| 21:04.05 | levi | Or a much larger percentage of people with mailboxes than it's currently available to. |
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| 21:08.40 | Jayce^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFyXdrpuZrE |
| 21:09.23 | Jayce^ | he even uses an O'Reilly image in the video! |
| 21:09.29 | Jayce^ | and uses Donny Osmond! |
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| 21:29.22 | amcnabb | ~/names |
| 21:29.36 | amcnabb | oops. :) |
| 21:29.41 | Tene | .oisai le ninmu cu pe'a jgari le mi menli |
| 21:29.45 | Tene | erm... mischan |
| 21:30.08 | amcnabb | ~seen sjansen |
| 21:30.25 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4d 6h 45s ago, saying: 'http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/14/BAGPJL5DHV1.DTL'. |
| 21:30.25 | amcnabb | (isn't that how you do it?) |
| 21:30.25 | Tene | should be |
| 21:30.29 | amcnabb | There it goes. |
| 21:30.41 | amcnabb | Four days. That's a long time. |
| 21:31.13 | Tene | I could do four days. I can quit any time I like. |
| 21:31.32 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:34.11 | mheath | mmm, glibc compile messages flying by my screen 20 times faster than a computer could even _print_ messages 30 years ago. |
| 21:35.30 | goozbach | sjansen is being held against his will |
| 21:35.53 | mheath | ibot: japanese $blah is <reply>$blah san wa baka desu. |
| 21:35.58 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 21:35.58 | goozbach | I keep trying to get a force together to go rescue him but it keeps petering out |
| 21:36.09 | mheath | ~japanese goozbach |
| 21:36.10 | ibot | goozbach san wa baka desu. |
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| 21:36.50 | mheath | The beautiful thing is, its difficult to figure out what that means |
| 21:37.00 | mheath | can't run it through babelfish, because babelfish wants katakana. |
| 21:39.50 | macnewbold | doh |
| 21:40.25 | macnewbold | if you can find what baka means (any translators that accept romaji?), I'm pretty sure the rest said "goozbach is ____" |
| 21:40.50 | bonez39 | is the printer admin at localhost.com:631? or just localhost:631? or something else? |
| 21:40.56 | macnewbold | no .com |
| 21:40.59 | macnewbold | just localhost |
| 21:41.12 | bonez39 | ok...... |
| 21:41.37 | mheath | macnewbold: yes. Literally "Mr. Goozbach is an idiot.". |
| 21:42.04 | mheath | baka is the strongest insult I know. rude when used in a serious context, but not bad |
| 21:42.17 | mheath | I've made it a point to not learn any vulgarities when I learn foreign languages |
| 21:43.35 | mheath | I'm hoping to come out of college relatively fluent in Japanese. |
| 21:44.15 | macnewbold | it can be helpful to know them, at least, though, so you don't accidentally use them by mistake |
| 21:44.22 | harleypig | -links |
| 21:44.23 | macnewbold | I know a guy who it happened to |
| 21:44.24 | macnewbold | not got |
| 21:44.26 | macnewbold | not good |
| 21:44.41 | macnewbold | mheath: so at what school will you be learning japanese? |
| 21:45.39 | mheath | macnewbold: Weber State. |
| 21:45.56 | macnewbold | ah, I didn't know they had a good Japanese program. that's cool |
| 21:46.11 | macnewbold | when you're looking for a place to practice, I know a church you could visit on Sundays |
| 21:46.11 | mheath | macnewbold: I plan to minor in Asian Studies, mainly because I plan to teach English in Japan for a while. |
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| 21:46.26 | mheath | macnewbold: I don't know if its a good Japanese program. It's a Japanese program, though :) |
| 21:46.31 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah |
| 21:46.41 | macnewbold | "fluent" has different meanings to different schools sometimes |
| 21:46.47 | bonez39 | macnewbold, if you were going to put together a new system...to run dual boot winxppro and linux.....would you 1) order through the mail, or just 2) put together from local suppliers? |
| 21:46.55 | macnewbold | often it is more what i'd call "conversant", but whatever |
| 21:47.06 | mheath | I've looked at the book list, and they have you learning some kanji by the 3rd semester. |
| 21:47.17 | neybar | I'd say it depends on if you want to be responsible for maintenance. |
| 21:47.37 | macnewbold | bonez39: these days I'd probably just buy one. Lately I've been seeing pretty good systems (sometimes refurb.) for $350-500 ready to go, |
| 21:47.45 | macnewbold | so I've been saving the time and getting one ready made for the same price or less |
| 21:47.45 | neybar | I personally like ordering from local suppliers, cause you can walk in with your broken item and walk out with a non-broken item |
| 21:47.50 | mheath | Learning kanji scares me, though...... |
| 21:48.01 | macnewbold | unless you suspect they'll have parts that aren't supported in linux |
| 21:48.24 | mheath | I've previously been able to memorize most of the katakana and hiragana alphabets....kanji is scary though |
| 21:48.28 | macnewbold | ecost.com and tigerdirect.com often have really low prices |
| 21:48.42 | mheath | You have to memorize about 1,000 characters before its even remotely useful to you |
| 21:48.48 | macnewbold | yeah, I know (knew?) katakana and hiragana, and a few kanji but not many |
| 21:49.10 | macnewbold | most of the kanji I know I know what they mean, not how to pronounce them |
| 21:49.15 | mheath | I forgot most katakana and hiragana. Take a bit to refresh my memory.. |
| 21:49.31 | mheath | macnewbold: indeed. Thats the other difficult thing: kanji provides no information on how to pronounce the word. |
| 21:49.31 | macnewbold | try the matrix screen saver as a refresher course ;) |
| 21:49.38 | macnewbold | pause it and try them |
| 21:49.55 | macnewbold | I'll stick to spanish, myself, cause it's easy to read/pronounce |
| 21:50.31 | mheath | I learned a lot of functional spanish working in the food industry; never became conversational.. |
| 21:51.04 | mheath | The limits of my spanish are "yo quero dose camerones fritas, por favor" |
| 21:52.14 | mheath | (I would like 12 fried shrimp, please) |
| 21:53.21 | mheath | yah, no unexpected errors in Glibc |
| 21:54.40 | Tene | there are expected errors? |
| 21:54.40 | mheath | make install |
| 21:54.44 | mheath | Tene: yes. |
| 21:54.53 | Tene | Oh, okay. |
| 21:55.04 | mheath | The test suite knew it would be expected and ignored it, actually. |
| 21:55.12 | mheath | Not sure if that even counts as an error, then, expected or not. |
| 21:56.12 | mheath | I'm excited about college |
| 21:56.23 | mheath | taking a lot more classes that interest me than I was able to in highschool |
| 21:56.36 | mheath | Though, things like Calculus and Statistics really scare me. |
| 21:57.04 | mheath | Like I've said, I really struggled with Calculus in highschool. |
| 21:59.17 | Supaplex | just calculate-less ;) |
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| 22:21.08 | mheath | binutils |
| 22:21.12 | mheath | :) |
| 22:21.24 | mheath | I LOVE how fast this stuff compiles |
| 22:21.31 | mheath | this stuff used to be an overnight process |
| 22:33.00 | mheath | hmm. FCC is going to take a while, though. |
| 22:33.33 | mheath | *GCC\ |
| 22:33.43 | bonez39 | macnewbold, I called Used Computer Warehouse...around the corner..they have a dell optiplex for $299, with 256 mb ram, 20 gig hdd...it's lean on features..but should run what i need to run... is that price OK for what I'd get....or would I be better off buidling and spending just a bit more? |
| 22:34.19 | macnewbold | it's probably pretty close |
| 22:34.44 | bonez39 | I think I'll just grab one of those boxes..and load up xp and go with that...sounds like a painless solution for the moment |
| 22:34.46 | macnewbold | you could do a little better online probably, but you'd have to pay shipping too, so you'd be closer to $350-400 probably |
| 22:34.54 | macnewbold | yeah, that's probably good |
| 22:35.10 | bonez39 | macnewbold, thanks...for letting me bounce this around here |
| 22:36.18 | bonez39 | maybe next month, I'll treat myself to an early Christmas and get a screaming barebones and stuff it with memory, video and a fat drive... |
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| 22:36.47 | mheath | bonez39: what kind of processor? |
| 22:36.58 | mheath | (in the optiplex) |
| 22:37.30 | bonez39 | mheath, not sure......it's Dell...does dell even 'do' AMD? or just strictly INTEL? |
| 22:37.51 | mheath | It's a current Optiplex, then? |
| 22:37.51 | bonez39 | The box I am wanting has Athlon 64.......that's what I'll likely build in a few weeks..... |
| 22:38.16 | bonez39 | mheath, well, it's a USED optiplex...I am guessing a leased or rental machine..... |
| 22:38.18 | mheath | I mean, Dell has been making the Optiplex line for 15 years. |
| 22:38.35 | bonez39 | I don't think it's more than a few years out....I told the guy XP Pro....... |
| 22:38.47 | bonez39 | I know it would COOK running linux..but slower with XP..... |
| 22:39.17 | bonez39 | if I could just kick the winders habit altogether...I could run what i have and light the place on fire with these...but winders code bloat requires more horses... |
| 22:40.05 | mheath | What are you looking to do with the computer you want to purchase? |
| 22:41.31 | Jayce^ | so bonez39 were you at any of the booths at the state fair? I think I saw more chiropractors booths there than I thought existed in the state... |
| 22:43.39 | bonez39 | I have to run an application called Proclaim Windows...it processes chiropractic claims....assures they are all accurate and then, using a modem....a dial up modem, it calls Blue Cross here...and transmits the claims data...to them for processing so I can get paid..... |
| 22:44.32 | bonez39 | Jayce^, I don't do fairs.....but I am curious what you think of a Doctor, of Chiropractic doing the fair...selling chiropractic at the fair...would you ever seek out and use someone from such a setting? |
| 22:45.04 | bonez39 | Jayce^, I am very cuious what you think of that approach? to me, it's just...well, not my style to sell what I do in a fair type environment.... |
| 22:45.41 | bonez39 | mheath, the application uses MS's SQL database .....starts it up and then closes SQL or some module of it when the program closes.... |
| 22:46.18 | bonez39 | mheath, really, I just need it for proclaim and then also to occasionally run Word or Power Point.....to view something I can't open in linux...with OO, or otherwise |
| 22:48.57 | Tene | Man, this is good bread. |
| 22:51.01 | Jayce^ | well, it was strange seeing that their, and yet, nice to get a free massage at one :) |
| 22:52.00 | mheath | bonez39: FYI, most modern Windows programs still run on Windows 98 SE |
| 22:52.18 | mheath | Which is stable, and much much faster on older computers |
| 22:52.32 | mheath | I know, for example, that Office 2003 runs on 98 SE |
| 22:52.45 | mheath | If you're looking to save money, you could invest in an older machine and install Windows 98 SE on it. |
| 22:53.42 | Tene | mheath: does mssql run on win98se? |
| 22:54.04 | mheath | Hmm, good question. |
| 22:55.32 | mheath | That was back when MS differentiated compatability between the 9x and NT lines |
| 22:55.41 | mheath | well, if MSSQL runs, thats an option I'd look into |
| 22:56.04 | mheath | the test suite takes a lot longer than simply compiling.. |
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| 23:03.12 | bonez39 | Jayce^, well, sure...take advantage of the free rub when you can..I would have if I were there..... |
| 23:03.33 | bonez39 | Jayce^, I'd invite you over.....to get worked over..but I need to get a massage therapist here too, before I can offer massage |
| 23:03.44 | bonez39 | mheath, you're probably right...... |
| 23:04.15 | bonez39 | mheath, the one app I MUST run requires xppro with service pack 2....... |
| 23:04.40 | bonez39 | so , for that i need the extra....but rest assured, I'll put the processor to work during time when I am not running the two apps I need this for |
| 23:05.00 | bonez39 | what was that VOIP provider in Lehi....the one that works with Asterisk? |
| 23:05.04 | bonez39 | anyone remember? |
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| 23:25.17 | tensai | <mheath> Thats the other difficult thing: kanji provides no information on how to pronounce the word. |
| 23:25.31 | tensai | mheath: that's not strictly true. often similarly written kanji read similarly. |
| 23:26.00 | tensai | so you learn a couple thousand and then next few thousand come easily :) |
| 23:28.01 | mheath | tensai: in subtle ways, yeah, but not in the obvious ways. |
| 23:28.26 | mheath | IE, take two words that are written with a string of 4 kanji characters |
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| 23:28.41 | mheath | 3 of those characters could be the same, yet the pronounciation will be completely different |
| 23:29.37 | tensai | yes, I'm well aware of how kanji works. I'll give you some examples when I get home and I have access to my kanji dictionary. |
| 23:31.19 | macnewbold | what's tree? I know forest is mori, and that their kanji's are very similar. |
| 23:35.04 | mheath | tensai: Are you fluent in Japanese? |
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