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| 00:22.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Can anyone think of a place I could look for postgresql-dev that's not the postgres site (checked there), not Google (checked there), and not the Slackware package list? |
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| 00:43.20 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: are you talking about mailing list archives? |
| 00:43.28 | macnewbold | or a package? |
| 00:43.32 | Lone_Wanderer | a package |
| 00:43.48 | macnewbold | they don't have it on postgres, google, or slackware? |
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| 00:48.04 | atoponce | for those in ogden, oalug meet in 10 min... |
| 00:50.45 | macnewbold | well, gee, thanks... I can't get there in 10 minutes from SLC |
| 00:50.51 | macnewbold | but I can't go tonight anyway |
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| 01:31.32 | elg | -roulette |
| 01:31.32 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
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| 02:21.11 | beandog | why is it so quiet? |
| 02:21.17 | beandog | why is bugzilla so freaking slow? |
| 02:21.20 | beandog | is sourceforge down again? |
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| 02:25.17 | nick125_lappy | beandog: it seems like it here, but, it seems to be up |
| 02:28.31 | EpP | anyone here familiar with sugarhouse coffee co.? |
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| 02:43.07 | EpP | nick /me |
| 02:57.23 | macnewbold | EpP: I think i know of it... I live in the area |
| 02:57.33 | rsimpkins | Sign up for a PLUG account! Just do it! Everyone else is! |
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| 03:59.29 | findlay_ | hello |
| 04:00.32 | beandog | yo |
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| 04:05.38 | elg | -roulette |
| 04:05.38 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
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| 04:09.19 | findlay | wow, this new kernel is spiffy |
| 04:11.23 | beandog | what new kernel? |
| 04:24.37 | Tene | findlay: what aspects of it are interesting, unsual, or new? |
| 04:25.31 | Tene | -roulette |
| 04:25.31 | brac | Tene: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 04:28.57 | findlay | levi_home: just because it's 2.6.18-rc7 |
| 04:29.22 | findlay | therefore it's inherently better than any kernel that ever existed since time began |
| 04:29.50 | levi_home | findlay: Perhaps you meant to say that to Tene? |
| 04:30.30 | findlay | oh, sorry, levi_home, don't know what's happening to me |
| 04:30.55 | findlay | ibot: what is happening to me? |
| 04:30.58 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 04:31.09 | findlay | guess ibot doesn't know |
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| 05:14.35 | tensai | for the love of everything holy and decent! |
| 05:14.43 | tensai | this pepper is spicy |
| 05:16.06 | tensai | tabascos may be a tiny little fruit, but there's a good reason they make hot sauce out of them |
| 05:39.39 | Tene | http://angryflower.com/iburst.html |
| 06:00.14 | rsimpkins | Tene: I activated your account. |
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| 08:33.57 | Tene | rsimpkins: so I noticed |
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| 12:57.28 | redbeard1 | aww |
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| 13:09.13 | redbeard1 | hey spr |
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| 13:20.19 | goozbach | morning |
| 13:20.26 | goozbach | funny story: |
| 13:20.55 | goozbach | last night I went with some friends to another friend's house to play cards |
| 13:21.18 | goozbach | well my friends were going to meet me at my house, to go the the other place. |
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| 13:22.07 | goozbach | on my street, there's a couple of houses that kinda look the same. |
| 13:22.24 | elg | ~assimilate goozbach |
| 13:22.33 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into goozbach's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 13:22.40 | goozbach | so my friend, who'd only been to my house once. pulled into the driveway of this house down the street. |
| 13:23.00 | goozbach | she's scared of spiders, and there were a bunch of them around the door of said house |
| 13:23.28 | goozbach | so she knocked on the door of the house, and when it opened she just ran in. "The spiders" |
| 13:23.54 | goozbach | mind you, this is almost 9:30 at night |
| 13:24.17 | goozbach | the poor guy says to her: "I think you have the wrong house" |
| 13:24.23 | goozbach | sure enough it was true |
| 13:24.30 | elg | did he put the spiders there on purpose? |
| 13:26.44 | goozbach | no, he's just moved into that house. I guess he hasn't had time to clean up the spiders |
| 13:32.23 | elg | how do you clean up spiders? |
| 13:33.07 | emcnabb | insecticide and a broom |
| 13:33.19 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 13:37.38 | findlay | let them have a spider shower? Don't know if you can get them at walmart, though |
| 13:47.54 | goozbach | I use water and a spray nozzle |
| 13:48.05 | goozbach | followed by a shoe |
| 13:48.18 | goozbach | then a broom/mop/paper towell |
| 13:55.04 | atoponce | pj at her best: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060913195652112 |
| 13:55.05 | atoponce | i love that article |
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| 14:37.34 | redbeard1 | hey duder |
| 14:42.59 | levi | Good morning! |
| 14:43.45 | redbeard1 | mornin levi |
| 14:44.50 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
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| 14:53.04 | rsimpkins | hey redbeard1, looks like things have really slowed down. |
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| 15:12.22 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: yeah, i took down the redirect |
| 15:13.19 | redbeard1 | i mean, i waited until the redirects from my site slowed first tho, of course |
| 15:13.56 | redbeard1 | i'm getting a new server ready now too... this one is a little faster |
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| 15:21.38 | tensai | redbeard1: I ate a tabasco pepper last night. I thought I was going to die. |
| 15:22.00 | redbeard1 | tensai: what's the rating on those? |
| 15:22.16 | tensai | good question |
| 15:22.48 | tensai | 40,000 |
| 15:23.08 | redbeard1 | yeah, that's some pretty decent heat |
| 15:23.17 | redbeard1 | ~applaud tensai |
| 15:23.22 | ibot | ACTION pins tensai to the wall with steak knives, then gives tensai a hanging ovation |
| 15:23.32 | redbeard1 | huh. that's a weird one. |
| 15:23.35 | tensai | it was a tiny one too. runt of the litter. |
| 15:24.11 | redbeard1 | smaller = hotter |
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| 15:25.23 | tensai | I only got 6 tabascos this season. it's just not hot enough here. it's just really starting to bud out now. |
| 15:26.40 | redbeard1 | you could try growing them hydroponically |
| 15:28.01 | graphyx | I thought the word of wisdom prohibits tabasco products. |
| 15:28.09 | graphyx | "To be used for sick cattle and brusies.." |
| 15:28.13 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 15:28.44 | graphyx | Though a tabasco pepper would certainly make one HOT drink.. |
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| 15:36.45 | Jayce^ | graphyx, so in brasil they take a cousin of the tabasco (malgueta) and stick it in a jar with oil, sugar, and rum for a few years, then use the sauce for spicing things... |
| 15:36.49 | Jayce^ | try drinking that :) |
| 15:41.33 | levi | I'll stick to drinking Mountain Dew. |
| 15:44.55 | rsimpkins | PLUG got quite a bit of residual traffic due to redbeard1's cake. Our traffic went from 39 page views on money, to 656 page views on wednesday, and 1270 page views yesterday. |
| 15:45.15 | redbeard1 | sweet! |
| 15:45.57 | rsimpkins | I am having a hard time connecting my fingers and brain latley. How does Monday come out as money? |
| 15:46.27 | Jayce^ | latley? :-p |
| 15:46.46 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Fine fine. An EXTRA hard time. :) |
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| 16:16.04 | findlay | when Monday comes out there will be money? |
| 16:17.46 | redbeard1 | i thought that usually happened on fridays |
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| 16:19.25 | findlay | ~money |
| 16:19.26 | ibot | hmm... money is something which is not affordable for most OpenSource guys |
| 16:19.40 | findlay | ibot: but when is it? |
| 16:19.43 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 16:33.54 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 16:55.02 | graphyx | why? |
| 16:55.23 | elg | to go down the luge of course |
| 16:55.55 | mheath | yah, an interview today. In downtown salt lake! I hate downtown salt lake... |
| 16:55.59 | mheath | ~lart parking |
| 16:55.59 | [phoenyx] | elg: it's all about the speed |
| 16:56.31 | mrpull | mheath: where in SLC do you have problems parking? |
| 16:56.49 | mheath | this interview is at 50 west broadway |
| 16:57.04 | mheath | don't try to tell me where to park; I'll jsut have to drive around and find a spot |
| 16:57.20 | mheath | telling me "Oh, theres parking on the corner of ____ and ___" won't help me. |
| 16:58.22 | graphyx | yeah, be sure to fill in the blanks before you type. |
| 16:58.46 | elg | Oh, there's parking on the corner of University and 800 North |
| 16:58.47 | elg | in Orem |
| 16:59.34 | emcnabb | there are 50 open spaces right now in our parking garage |
| 16:59.42 | mheath | Hmmm, I'm actually not sure about this interview... |
| 16:59.42 | emcnabb | stop on by |
| 16:59.47 | elg | you could get a tour too |
| 16:59.54 | mheath | This company is apparently a work agency type place. |
| 17:00.00 | dilvie | hi |
| 17:00.01 | emcnabb | yeah, but it will take about 3 days to get here |
| 17:00.01 | graphyx | who wants a tour of 50 empty parking spaces? |
| 17:00.11 | mheath | IE, other companies ask them to find people to work for them |
| 17:00.12 | elg | hey dilvie. |
| 17:00.17 | mrpull | there's lots of meters in that neighborhood... or you can pay 5 bucks and park an plenty of near by lots |
| 17:00.20 | dilvie | what's up+ |
| 17:00.22 | dilvie | ? |
| 17:00.33 | emcnabb | not much- |
| 17:00.38 | mrpull | mheath: a recruiter? |
| 17:00.39 | mheath | mrpull: It's going to take a couple of hours. Meters aren't fun. |
| 17:00.40 | mrpull | who is it? |
| 17:00.53 | mheath | mrpull: Robert Half Technology. |
| 17:00.53 | elg | computing the frequency response of an impulse response to show that complex exponentials are eigenfunctions of LTI systems |
| 17:01.02 | mrpull | they are so/so |
| 17:01.23 | dilvie | LTI? |
| 17:01.38 | mheath | mrpull: I'm thinking of not going. I really want to wait and see what happens with that backcountry.com opportunity.. |
| 17:01.41 | elg | mheath: what about parking at a TRAX station? |
| 17:01.50 | dilvie | elg: what does LTI stand for? |
| 17:01.59 | elg | Linear Time-Invariant |
| 17:02.04 | dilvie | ah. |
| 17:02.06 | dilvie | =) |
| 17:02.20 | graphyx | duh... |
| 17:02.22 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 17:02.25 | mheath | mrpull: This guy sounded like he's going to pressure me into starting some really....generic, bad help desk position that I'd start on Monday |
| 17:02.35 | elg | in other words, a discrete fourier transform |
| 17:02.56 | dilvie | elg: yeah |
| 17:03.18 | mheath | Whereas, if I can get that backcountry.com position, I'd be doing tech support / administration for Linux desktops! |
| 17:03.39 | mrpull | Robert Half seems to be one of the better recruiters, but why not go straight to the companies you are interested in? |
| 17:03.41 | dilvie | elg: dsp homework? |
| 17:03.57 | mrpull | or sign up for school and let your dad pay the way for a while :) |
| 17:04.37 | mheath | mrpull: yeah, thats what I'm thinking. When I saw a job ad for them, and sent my resume, I was a bit confused about the nature of their business. |
| 17:04.39 | elg | dilvie: yup |
| 17:04.43 | mheath | I'd rather talk directly to the businesses. |
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| 17:06.11 | dilvie | elg: I only half understood your explanation. I know what everything means, I just don't understand the significance of it taken together |
| 17:08.18 | emcnabb | mheath: any news from the backcountry.com folks? |
| 17:08.20 | mrpull | does anybody have an HD Tivo? |
| 17:08.24 | mheath | emcnabb, not yet |
| 17:08.30 | mrpull | (the HR10-250) |
| 17:08.47 | rsimpkins | emcnabb: Where do you work? |
| 17:08.47 | elg | dilvie: join the club. :) I'm still trying to figure it out |
| 17:09.19 | dilvie | elg: hehe, d'oh! |
| 17:10.05 | emcnabb | rsimpkins: Red hat |
| 17:10.07 | elg | rsimpkins: he works for the reds |
| 17:10.07 | emcnabb | Red Hat |
| 17:10.24 | rsimpkins | emcnabb: I like Red Hat. |
| 17:10.36 | emcnabb | they're a good company to work for |
| 17:10.38 | findlay | I like red hats too |
| 17:10.54 | elg | I like green shirts, personally |
| 17:11.05 | emcnabb | I like blue jeans |
| 17:11.10 | rsimpkins | elg: Green Shirts? I'm not familiar with that distro. :) |
| 17:16.27 | ^Migs^ | hahaha: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=491583 |
| 17:20.24 | levi | The google ad I got on the side for 'Mormon Ringtone' frightens me, for some reason. |
| 17:20.39 | mrpull | levi: you took the words right out of my mouth |
| 17:20.44 | mrpull | google is freaky |
| 17:20.58 | redbeard1 | mormon ringtone? |
| 17:21.14 | redbeard1 | that scares me |
| 17:21.20 | findlay | ~freak google |
| 17:21.30 | levi | I can't even get the video to play, though. :/ |
| 17:23.57 | mrpull | hrrrmm... who is going to buy the mormon ring tone to see what it is? |
| 17:24.05 | ^Migs^ | doesn't it even play a sample? |
| 17:24.18 | mrpull | no sample that I see. |
| 17:24.42 | mrpull | do do da dooo da da doo da da dooo doooo |
| 17:27.35 | levi | I'm scared to enter my cell number into a random web page. |
| 17:28.44 | mrpull | it amazes me the amount of money they make on ringtones and SMS surveys |
| 17:33.44 | elg | it scares me that anyone would be content with a little music-box midi ringtone |
| 17:34.01 | elg | give me some real music/sfx or just a plain phone sound, thanks |
| 17:35.06 | mrpull | da da da da da da da dump da dump |
| 17:35.43 | mrpull | music is for media players... phones should ring |
| 17:36.16 | mrpull | or better vibrate instead of ringing whenever possible |
| 17:39.50 | elg | i think they should shoot paintballs at people until answered |
| 17:42.18 | mrpull | elg: what about all the people that have phones ring at church? you wouldn't want their sunday clothes to get paintballed... |
| 17:42.32 | elg | wouldn't i? |
| 17:46.15 | [phoenyx] | michael mclean ringtone: "you're not alone" |
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| 17:54.54 | ^Migs^ | I think phones should scream instead of ring |
| 17:55.36 | mrpull | ^migs^: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/synchronica-mobile-manager-protects-your-stolen-phone-with-a-scream-200697.php |
| 17:56.58 | ^Migs^ | heh, nice |
| 17:57.13 | ^Migs^ | although I'm not sure how effective it would be |
| 17:57.26 | ^Migs^ | It would be like car alarms. People would just look at you quizically. They wouldn't freak out and assume someone is stealing the phone. |
| 17:57.50 | mrpull | i think i'd reflash any phone I stole immediately anyway |
| 17:58.18 | mrpull | it is like the laptop tracking apps too... if you _really_ want to still a laptop, you'd make sure to blank the harddrive before booting it up |
| 17:58.18 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 17:58.21 | ^Migs^ | same here |
| 18:04.17 | mheath | Mmm...pizza. |
| 18:04.24 | mheath | Where can I get pizza? hmm |
| 18:05.00 | mheath | Actually, McDonalds sounds yummy.. |
| 18:05.36 | mrpull | mheath: there is a pizza place on broadway |
| 18:05.44 | mrpull | about 200 east i think |
| 18:05.52 | mheath | mrpull: I'm not going to do that, I decided |
| 18:06.05 | elg | you're kidding right? mcdonalds? |
| 18:06.25 | mheath | I didn't realize I was talking to a recruiter when I sent off my resume. Like you said, I think I'd rather talk to employers directly. |
| 18:06.53 | ^Migs^ | yeah, those recruiters are relentless |
| 18:07.07 | mheath | elg, I just got home from USMC Basic training, days ago. The food down there is horrible - McDonalds and other fast food joints is one of those places that people get weird cravings for down there. |
| 18:07.07 | ^Migs^ | I don't mind sending them my resume, but I don't expect anything |
| 18:07.36 | elg | i can see craving fast food. I can see craving just about anything but mcdonalds |
| 18:07.47 | elg | I've gone without mcdonalds for years at a time and never had a craving |
| 18:08.11 | mrpull | I get recruiters calling me every week asking if I'm hiring.... no |
| 18:08.18 | mrpull | do you want a new job... no |
| 18:08.24 | mrpull | i'll call you... |
| 18:08.27 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 18:08.31 | ^Migs^ | I didn't know they did that |
| 18:08.38 | ^Migs^ | I thought companies contracted out to THEM |
| 18:08.38 | mheath | I think I might just hit up the grocery store, get a frozen pizza, some soda... |
| 18:08.55 | elg | recruiters are just matchmakers. evil for the most part |
| 18:09.17 | mheath | I _really_ hope that backcountry.com thing works out.. |
| 18:09.33 | mheath | I really liked the people I talked to there, I think I'd like the work I'd do... |
| 18:10.37 | mheath | I wonder how long it will take MS to ship me my vista CD.. |
| 18:10.55 | ^Migs^ | I've had some very pleasant recruiters call me, who really took a personal interest. It was kind of strange, actually. |
| 18:11.31 | elg | personal interest can only help them. not so strange, imho |
| 18:11.39 | elg | smart, perhaps |
| 18:11.43 | elg | which might translate to strange |
| 18:11.52 | mheath | Anyone know if the vista RC1 thing is a 'full' version of vista? |
| 18:12.23 | mheath | I mean, Microsoft has like 5 different versions of Vista when its realeased...is this is a full version, like their 'ulimate' final version? |
| 18:12.27 | mrpull | mheath: it is the ultimate |
| 18:12.41 | mrpull | do you have a product key? i've got the ISO. |
| 18:13.09 | mrpull | i'm running RC1 on this workstation |
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| 18:13.27 | mheath | Do you need one? I ordered a CD from them (no DVD burner), and the process never gave me a CD Key or such |
| 18:13.57 | mrpull | the key will come with it |
| 18:14.16 | mheath | mrpull: how are you liking it? |
| 18:14.20 | mrpull | if you have a beta2 key it will work too |
| 18:14.37 | mrpull | it has some nice features, but nothing ground breaking |
| 18:14.38 | mheath | A lot of new Microsoft products have really been surprising me, and I've found myself taking a liking to a lot of them |
| 18:14.41 | mrpull | I really like office 2007 |
| 18:14.52 | mheath | Yeah, I've been using office 2007 on XP |
| 18:14.53 | mrpull | I don't think vista is a compelling upgrade tho |
| 18:15.19 | mheath | especially for the ~$400 ultimate is expected to sell for |
| 18:15.38 | mrpull | the eyecandy is great on this $4K workstation, but even the basic UI is sluggish on a 1.5 year old laptop |
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| 18:16.14 | mheath | I have a 2Ghz AMD mobile sempron with a nice mobile ATI graphics card....512MB of RAM....hoping things will run OK. |
| 18:16.51 | mrpull | should be fine with the basic UI |
| 18:16.57 | mrpull | how much video ram do you have? |
| 18:17.07 | mheath | 128 |
| 18:17.14 | mheath | shared though |
| 18:17.30 | mrpull | it might not run aero glass |
| 18:17.38 | mheath | well, all their specs say its good to run everything, I just need more RAM |
| 18:18.14 | mheath | The little test utility they released also said it was good to go, just needed more RAM |
| 18:18.34 | mheath | be back in a minute, though...I'm going to make a run tot he grocery store, pick up a frozen pizza and some other little things. |
| 18:23.52 | Supaplex | hehe look what I started. :) |
| 18:24.28 | mrpull | i ate pizza last night and still could eat some more today |
| 18:24.46 | Supaplex | it's just one of those food ya' know |
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| 18:25.44 | elg | personally I think amcnabb loves pizza |
| 18:26.35 | amcnabb | Why wouldn't I? |
| 18:26.42 | emcnabb | ~pizza |
| 18:26.49 | mrpull | ah geeze ... i just got a LinkedIn invite from a vendor that owes me an update |
| 18:26.51 | emcnabb | ~pizza amcnabb |
| 18:26.52 | ibot | ACTION gives amcnabb a DelFino's special deep dish pizza. |
| 18:30.41 | Supaplex | ~pizza everyone |
| 18:30.43 | ibot | ACTION gives everyone a DelFino's special deep dish pizza. |
| 18:35.44 | mrpull | i crave The Pi Pizzeria... |
| 18:35.55 | mrpull | that cheese pull apart... oh man |
| 18:41.10 | elg | -roulette |
| 18:41.10 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:48.07 | mheath | Pizza and...buffalo wings! |
| 18:54.39 | mheath | mrpull: and their in-house rootbeer brew! |
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| 19:15.57 | nick125- | my hat is awesome, I should post a picture later |
| 19:18.32 | ^Migs^ | I want to see an awesome hat |
| 19:18.37 | mrpull | http://www.telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=21304 |
| 19:24.28 | ^Migs^ | heh, that's sweet |
| 19:27.21 | atoponce | feedback on the new site theme/layout: http://www.ubuntu-utah.org |
| 19:27.46 | redbeard1 | atoponce: you an ubuntu dude? |
| 19:28.23 | emcnabb | mrpull: that's awesome |
| 19:29.07 | Jayce^ | mrpull, I gotta do that to my lab now |
| 19:29.25 | Jayce^ | probably be good to do on my son too |
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| 19:34.28 | mrpull | i have an app on my phone that works with my bluetooth gps that can post where I'm at in near real time |
| 19:34.51 | mrpull | the ubuntu-utah website looks nice |
| 19:35.42 | ^Migs^ | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu-utah.org |
| 19:36.39 | Kuyaedz-notebook | yeah we're working on that. It seems to have happened since a Db backup/restore. Those weird characters |
| 19:37.54 | atoponce | mrpull: thx. any feedback? i didn't design it btw, but, we're interested on anything to improve it |
| 19:38.02 | ^Migs^ | that's pretty bad |
| 19:38.26 | redbeard1 | atoponce: something about it looks familiar |
| 19:38.28 | ^Migs^ | how are we supposed to give feedback if the site is not only not valid HTML, but can't even be validated!? |
| 19:38.53 | mrpull | atoponce: not much more than - it isn't ugly :-) |
| 19:40.06 | mrpull | i'd prefer that there weren't so many unix users groups... i think the community would be better if they were consolidated |
| 19:40.22 | Jayce^ | mrpull, agreed :) |
| 19:40.29 | Jayce^ | of course, I've ranted on that many times |
| 19:41.46 | Tene | Rant again! |
| 19:43.03 | mrpull | Jayce^: i was thinking about the suggestions for perl mongers |
| 19:44.09 | Jayce^ | yeah? |
| 19:44.17 | mrpull | Jayce^: has there been interest in the past for perl golf (which i'm not terribly fond of) or some other monthly project that people could work on and share their tips/tricks |
| 19:44.46 | Jayce^ | there has |
| 19:44.52 | mrpull | somewhat like sasha's (sp?) job app post on the mailing lists a couple months back |
| 19:45.09 | mrpull | maybe the python and ruby geeks could pitch in too |
| 19:45.28 | mrpull | cobol? (jabs harley) |
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| 19:46.28 | levi | I did my responses in Common Lisp and OCaml. |
| 19:48.17 | neybar | *yawn* |
| 19:51.18 | mrpull | i'd hope it would be for learning/teaching purposes and not a flexing contest. |
| 19:51.49 | neybar | mrpull: I have tried to get perlgolf/yaph and fun stuff like that going and I got next to no interaction with it. |
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| 19:53.03 | mrpull | maybe if it crossed UG boundries it would be better received? |
| 19:53.09 | neybar | I'm definately willing to try it again though. One of the current failings of NUPM is the lack of a web presence. I need to work on that also. |
| 19:53.23 | fozzmoo | web schmeb |
| 19:53.27 | fozzmoo | NUPM needs a gopher site. |
| 19:53.28 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 19:53.35 | neybar | totally |
| 19:53.46 | [phoenyx] | what about something like rubyquiz (http://rubyquiz.com/) or project euler (http://mathschallenge.net/index.php?section=project) |
| 19:54.04 | fozzmoo | neybar: I think the UTOS conference will help NUPM's visibility a lot. |
| 19:54.14 | Tene | I'm unsure if I'm strongly disliking qmail or freebsd right now. |
| 19:54.29 | Tene | Probably both. |
| 19:54.31 | Jayce^ | neybar, hey I know this guy who is really liking this rapid web development kit in Perl, he could do it really fast.... :) |
| 19:54.42 | mheath | Wow. Fun weather =\ |
| 19:55.03 | mrpull | phoenyx: rubyquiz is exactly what i was thinking |
| 19:55.05 | redbeard1 | mheath: what's the weather like up there? |
| 19:55.12 | mrpull | I think perlgolf is kinda silly |
| 19:55.13 | levi | Jayce^: Which rapid web development kit is that? |
| 19:55.21 | mheath | Pouring rain intermittently, lighting |
| 19:55.27 | fozzmoo | levi: Catalyst |
| 19:55.32 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:55.33 | levi | Ahh, not Jifty? |
| 19:55.40 | Jayce^ | gee fozz, since you know it...... :-p |
| 19:55.44 | fozzmoo | No. Not Jifty. |
| 19:55.53 | Jayce^ | levi, jifty has a bit of maturing to do imho |
| 19:55.54 | levi | But it comes with a pony! |
| 19:56.01 | Jayce^ | great possibilities, but needs more |
| 19:56.05 | Tene | Jifty killed Fozz's cats. He refuses to touch it. |
| 19:56.13 | fozzmoo | :-( |
| 19:56.25 | levi | How much maturity do you need to run a dinky users group site? ;) |
| 19:56.39 | mheath | So, if I suddenly disappear....you know why :P |
| 19:56.45 | Jayce^ | levi, just enough to take the time to learn it |
| 19:56.52 | mheath | I should really hook my router and cable modem up to our UPS |
| 19:56.56 | neybar | enough to be able to find documentation with out pulling your hair out. |
| 19:57.03 | levi | Especially a perl one. I mean, it's not like anyone expects perl scripts to be reliable. ;) |
| 19:57.04 | mheath | Then I could have internet on my laptop even when the power is out :P |
| 19:57.10 | Jayce^ | levi, jifty is pretty cool, but you gotta be a core devel guy to actually use it right now |
| 19:57.17 | Jayce^ | ~lart levi |
| 19:57.34 | mheath | ooh, hail now. |
| 19:57.40 | mheath | hail? hale? |
| 19:57.48 | levi | Anyway, I think language-neutral programming quizzes would be cool. |
| 19:58.01 | Tene | yeah, a lot |
| 19:58.14 | levi | There should be just a general programmer's group. |
| 19:58.26 | fozzmoo | NUPA |
| 19:58.33 | fozzmoo | North Utah Programmers Alliance |
| 19:58.35 | levi | No need to isolate every language. |
| 19:59.33 | Jayce^ | except the VB people... we don't want them |
| 20:00.04 | fozzmoo | NURPA |
| 20:00.06 | levi | VB is just C# these days, might as well let them in so they can see the light. |
| 20:00.09 | fozzmoo | North Utah Real Programmers Alliance |
| 20:00.33 | fozzmoo | Oh oh oh! |
| 20:00.37 | Jayce^ | Burp? Burqa? |
| 20:00.49 | fozzmoo | NURDS: North Utah Real Developers of Software |
| 20:00.54 | Jayce^ | ooooh |
| 20:00.58 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo++ |
| 20:01.12 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:01.17 | mheath | hahaha |
| 20:02.55 | Jayce^ | GENIUS: Geeks Epowered to Name In Utah Software |
| 20:02.55 | levi | We could have exercises like 'write this easy program in language X', where X is a language unfamiliar to most. |
| 20:03.29 | mrpull | doh. in complaining there are too many groups i've prompted the suggestion of yet another |
| 20:03.36 | Jayce^ | we all blame you mrpull |
| 20:03.55 | levi | This would not have to be a real group, more of a meta-group. |
| 20:04.16 | mheath | Thanks for the suggestion, mrpull. I suggest we form the Utah Group for the Removal of Excessive Groups and Meta-Groups. |
| 20:04.17 | mrpull | levi: i like the idea |
| 20:04.28 | mheath | ;-P |
| 20:04.39 | mrpull | mheath: that could be the funniest thing i've ever heard you suggest. |
| 20:05.27 | levi | Perhaps occasionally the programming language specific groups could meet together, or just have online stuff, or whatever there's enough interest to support. |
| 20:05.47 | levi | One can never be familiar with too many programming languages. ;) |
| 20:05.58 | mheath | I think I'm going to through Linux back on this laptop, dual booting... |
| 20:12.32 | ^Migs^ | true enough, levi |
| 20:17.41 | mheath | OK |
| 20:17.44 | mheath | power flickers |
| 20:17.57 | mheath | maybe see you all in a bit |
| 20:24.36 | neybar | mmm, gas station pizza |
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| 20:37.08 | mrpull | so what should be the inaugural challenge for the multidenominational programming meta-group? |
| 20:37.34 | mrpull | maybe "conway's game of life"? |
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| 20:39.50 | Jayce^ | yeah, would liek to see that in another language :) |
| 20:40.52 | mrpull | Jayce^: just the number <favorite language> + <favorite gui toolkit> combinations could make it interesting |
| 20:42.46 | mrpull | Jayce^: plus a familiar problem might have some unfamiliar solutions in other languages |
| 20:46.18 | emcnabb | only 15 minutes until the weekend starts |
| 20:47.43 | mheath | -.- |
| 20:49.16 | findlay | ~job mheath |
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| 20:54.52 | bonez39 | if you were wanting, for whatever insane reason, to have a dual boot system with linux and winders....would you clean the disk and load Winders first or linux and then winders? |
| 20:55.08 | synic | winders first would be easier |
| 20:55.20 | macnewbold | just make sure to make your partitions first |
| 20:55.21 | synic | 'cause it wipes the mbr for you. |
| 20:55.35 | bonez39 | synic, win wipes the mbr? |
| 20:55.38 | synic | if you do linux first, you'll have to boot to a livecd to reinstall the bootloader |
| 20:55.41 | synic | bonez39: windows does |
| 20:55.54 | bonez39 | oh...so windows first and then linux thereafter.... |
| 20:55.57 | synic | yeah |
| 20:56.07 | bonez39 | macnewbold, I already have partitions c, d and e |
| 20:56.28 | bonez39 | my trouble is that I ran win xp pro update over win98se and it's messed up.... |
| 20:56.34 | bonez39 | can't get it to boot up |
| 20:56.35 | levi | mrpull: Life sounds like an interesting one, and depending on the spec, fairly simple. |
| 20:57.05 | Tene | life would be fun to implement. |
| 20:57.58 | findlay | heh, life. Leave that to lesser scientists. Let us keep to our noble study of the Universe |
| 20:59.01 | mrpull | doh... i'm going to indy on monday... i should have gone in early and saw the colts play |
| 21:00.10 | levi | Could be more complicated if you did HashLife or something. |
| 21:00.10 | findlay | mrpull: you could go to the Chicago Symphony |
| 21:00.22 | mrpull | levi: I think simplicity (with the option of adding complexity) is desirable |
| 21:00.30 | levi | mrpull: I agree. |
| 21:01.32 | mrpull | findlay: i dunno, it looks like it is 200 miles as the crow flies from indy to chicago |
| 21:01.43 | mrpull | chicago is fun place to go tho |
| 21:01.46 | findlay | closer than provo (: |
| 21:01.56 | findlay | my sister's in Chicago |
| 21:02.08 | mrpull | i spent a day at some of the museums in chicago |
| 21:02.15 | mrpull | one of my favorite trips |
| 21:02.29 | mrpull | the art museum is surreal |
| 21:02.44 | findlay | did you take a picture of the bean? |
| 21:02.53 | findlay | and have your camera confiscated? |
| 21:03.37 | mrpull | nope and nope. |
| 21:03.42 | mrpull | what bean do you speak of ? |
| 21:04.05 | mrpull | and back to the pizza theme, the chicago pizza was excellent |
| 21:07.45 | findlay | there's some big metal thing in a park by the lake that's copyrighted and if you take a picture they confiscate your camera |
| 21:11.08 | levi | Hashlife is pretty darned cool. It would be interesting as an optional 'advanced' version for people who wanted to attempt it. |
| 21:18.15 | levi | http://www.ddj.com/184406478 |
| 21:18.24 | levi | ^^^- Dr Dobbs article on HashLife |
| 21:21.00 | mrpull | findlay: didn't get the opportunity to see that |
| 21:21.08 | mrpull | i see photos of it now on wikipedia |
| 21:21.17 | mrpull | wikipedia must be shut down! |
| 21:26.55 | levi | Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator must be the ultimate geek song. |
| 21:29.27 | redbeard1 | levi: that and It's More Fun to Compute, from the same album |
| 21:29.48 | levi | I think Pocket Calculator is more fun, though. |
| 21:30.25 | levi | redbeard1: Since you know Kraftwerk, did you recognize the Computer Love melody in Coldplay's latest single? |
| 21:30.44 | redbeard1 | levi: i'm afraid not. coldplay's on my blacklist. |
| 21:31.08 | redbeard1 | i haven't heard their new single |
| 21:31.18 | levi | Well, I can't stand their lyrics, but I heard it on the radio one day right when the album came out, and I thought 'I KNOW that melody!' |
| 21:31.23 | levi | Took me a while to recognize where it was from. |
| 21:31.29 | levi | The song is called 'Talk' |
| 21:31.46 | levi | And it's got incredibly banal lyrics, but a very catchy melody. |
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| 21:32.14 | levi | Because it is basically Computer Love played on guitar. |
| 21:32.27 | redbeard1 | buncha theives. i'm blacklisting them more now than before. |
| 21:32.45 | levi | I think they mention it in their liner notes, at least. |
| 21:32.46 | findlay | heh, disney style theives |
| 21:32.51 | redbeard1 | heh, yeah |
| 21:33.15 | redbeard1 | actually, they're not that high up on the blacklist. but they are there. |
| 21:33.33 | redbeard1 | now, 30 seconds to mars, they're the kings of the blacklist |
| 21:34.39 | mrpull | i suppose since the bean wasn't there 5 years ago, i have an excuse for not seeing it |
| 21:35.00 | levi | I don't even know 30 seconds to mars. |
| 21:35.30 | redbeard1 | levi: they're just another mall-punk band. but they've become extra annoying for me. |
| 21:35.42 | levi | Yuck. |
| 21:36.17 | redbeard1 | the lead singer is an actor too |
| 21:36.41 | redbeard1 | ever seen fight club? |
| 21:37.36 | levi | Yeah. |
| 21:38.01 | redbeard1 | you know the blonde dude that gets beat up pretty bad and has to be taken to the hospital? |
| 21:38.15 | levi | Hmm. I haven't seen it in a while, so no, not really. |
| 21:38.32 | redbeard1 | well, i didn't feel so bad about that scene after hearing his band. |
| 21:38.59 | redbeard1 | i guess i'm kind of a jerk that way |
| 21:39.19 | elg | and who waqs his band? |
| 21:39.26 | redbeard1 | 30 seconds to mars |
| 21:39.42 | elg | sounds like a band I'm glad I don't know |
| 21:39.55 | redbeard1 | elg: they're mall-punk |
| 21:40.05 | redbeard1 | like good charlotte, but more annoying |
| 21:40.08 | elg | mall-punk? :) is that an official genre? |
| 21:40.13 | levi | redbeard1: What's your excuse for knowing about them at all? |
| 21:40.35 | redbeard1 | levi: i used to carpool with a dude that thought they were just about the greatest thing ever |
| 21:41.00 | elg | levi: he's a martian |
| 21:41.08 | elg | he was trying to find a faster way home |
| 21:43.09 | elg | i've never heard of good charlote either, but I did watch part of the first episode of Charlotte Church's new variety show |
| 21:43.18 | elg | man, that was bad. no, I mean really really bad |
| 21:43.28 | redbeard1 | they gave her a variety show? |
| 21:43.38 | mrpull | whoa? where did you see that? |
| 21:44.02 | findlay | evidently faster than the speed of light |
| 21:44.22 | elg | i noticed it on bitmetv and downloaded it for the heck of it |
| 21:44.39 | mrpull | whoa... she grew up |
| 21:44.58 | Jayce^ | church... variety show? it just boggles the mind |
| 21:45.04 | elg | oh it gets better |
| 21:45.39 | elg | she is not only doing a variety show, she's doing a border-on-dirty "hey look I'm not the sweet little girl singing churchy songs now" variety show |
| 21:46.01 | levi | Um, who is Charlotte Church? |
| 21:46.51 | redbeard1 | levi: she was a really, really young vocalist |
| 21:47.01 | redbeard1 | her first album came out at 14 or something |
| 21:47.12 | synic | have any of you heard the live version of duran duran's "come undone" ? |
| 21:47.17 | elg | the theme song drops at least one f bomb, and there was a segment all about celeb sightings in (and partially out) of their bathing suits at the beach |
| 21:47.19 | fozzmoo | Who's this? |
| 21:47.19 | redbeard1 | we'll just say she didn't sound that young |
| 21:47.21 | synic | they sometimes play it on 101.9 ? |
| 21:47.27 | Jayce^ | no |
| 21:47.34 | elg | synic: no, but I can imagine it not being as good |
| 21:47.36 | redbeard1 | synic: nope. do you know which album? |
| 21:47.50 | elg | kind of like shine wasn't as good |
| 21:47.54 | synic | elg: it's so much better. It's one of the few live tracks that I think is better. |
| 21:47.59 | synic | redbeard1: dunno |
| 21:48.15 | synic | I _really_ want this track... buy it however, but I can't find it anywhere. |
| 21:48.17 | elg | really? most of what I love about that track is incongruent with live performance |
| 21:48.37 | elg | it's probably an end zone recording. not for sale on the normal market |
| 21:48.39 | synic | elg: they get a singer to do the female part that is just amazing. |
| 21:48.57 | synic | stupid end zone |
| 21:49.05 | elg | levi: if you've never heard of charlotte church, consider yourself lucky |
| 21:49.11 | synic | I'm gonna take them some donuts or something and make them give it to me. |
| 21:49.18 | elg | she sang in the same arena that josh groban dominates these days |
| 21:49.36 | elg | or he did last year anyway. since we moved away from utah I haven't had to endure that genre at all. so nice |
| 21:49.46 | levi | Ahh. Well, no wonder I haven't heard of her. |
| 21:50.11 | elg | she apparently does pop these days, and in general it looks like she tries to distance herself from the young angel image that made her famous |
| 21:50.27 | Jayce^ | no kidding, just glanced at the site... |
| 21:50.36 | bonez39 | elg, is she changed? I heard her sing a few years ago..but not lately.... |
| 21:50.36 | redbeard1 | elg: wouldn't you if you were her? |
| 21:50.44 | elg | probably |
| 21:50.45 | Jayce^ | she's trying to do the nice to nasty thing... |
| 21:50.57 | redbeard1 | oh, no. another brittney? |
| 21:51.17 | fozzmoo | It's not Brittney anymore. It's Brittnorah. |
| 21:51.17 | elg | but I don't know that I'd do an awful variety show whose only two distinguishing features are nastiness and wales fanaticism |
| 21:51.33 | elg | I think I'd just curl up with a good job somewhere and fade out |
| 21:51.49 | redbeard1 | elg: but think of the fame! |
| 21:51.56 | redbeard1 | and the things you'd be famous for! |
| 21:52.34 | elg | see, being a famous child star would be great because you could be unrecognizable when you got old, and with a little fiscal discipline (and no greedy parents that stole it all from you) you could be set for life |
| 21:53.03 | redbeard1 | elg: has that ever actually happened to a child star, tho? fiscal responsibility? |
| 21:53.34 | elg | well they could hire out a fiscally responsible financial manager. that would take only one responsible decision |
| 21:53.39 | elg | but yeah |
| 21:53.48 | elg | probably not |
| 21:53.54 | elg | unless maybe you count wesley |
| 21:53.59 | redbeard1 | i blame society |
| 21:54.08 | elg | I blame Jayce^ |
| 21:54.14 | redbeard1 | it's society's fault that they can't behave |
| 21:54.25 | Jayce^ | .... only a lad.... |
| 21:54.56 | mrpull | diane lane made a pretty successful transition from child start to fairly normal adult actor |
| 21:55.30 | redbeard1 | mrpull: never heard of him |
| 21:57.05 | mrpull | redbeard1: really? _she_ is fairly well known... academy award nomination a couple years ago |
| 21:57.41 | redbeard1 | mrpull: you'd be surprised at how little i know about hollywood |
| 21:58.03 | redbeard1 | most of what i know now was unwillingly learned from my wife |
| 21:58.05 | elg | i've never heard of her either |
| 22:01.48 | rsimpkins | My wife keeps the paparazzi in business. |
| 22:01.56 | rsimpkins | I can't help but be exposed. :) |
| 22:02.41 | mrpull | rsimpkins: at least the gossip magazines have pictures of pretty girls |
| 22:04.12 | findlay | a variety show with two varieties? |
| 22:04.34 | findlay | spice is the variety of life? |
| 22:04.44 | findlay | something to that effect |
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| 23:22.55 | spr | So is it just me, or is our cbs station not airing the remastered original star trek/ |
| 23:37.50 | spr | hm. It's on 15 instead |
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| 23:43.35 | mheath | Does anyone have any suggestions for some interesting new free app I can tinker with (for windows)? |
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| 23:56.19 | Tene | mheath: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Attack_code_targets_new_IE_hole/0,130061744,339271083,00.htm |