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| 00:15.35 | herlo | harleypig: is nupm in the same rm as plug? |
| 00:18.22 | herlo | does n e body know? |
| 00:18.33 | macnewbold | herlo: I think so, but I'm not sure |
| 00:18.39 | macnewbold | I've never been to either in person, |
| 00:18.44 | macnewbold | but that sounds right, from memory |
| 00:19.01 | herlo | cool, tx mac |
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| 00:19.53 | herlo | I am gonna be late, yet early to plug |
| 00:20.50 | mrpull-wm | yo... perl mongers. either i'm at the wrong door or it is locked. |
| 00:22.01 | mrpull-wm | and i'm fairly sure i'm at the right door. |
| 00:22.07 | herlo | mrpull: I am coming as well. let me know what happens |
| 00:28.31 | mrpull-wm | it is open now |
| 00:29.51 | herlo | cool, same room as plug? |
| 00:30.46 | herlo | mrpull-wm |
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| 00:32.27 | herlo | that has gotta suck! |
| 00:32.40 | mrpull-wm | yeah... same room |
| 00:33.41 | herlo | cool tx |
| 00:39.04 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 00:39.11 | elg | Jayce^: so we videocasting plug tonight? |
| 00:49.32 | Sargun | thats sweet |
| 00:49.38 | Sargun | how are you guys doing it? |
| 00:49.56 | scott | what on earth do you engrave on your iPod other than name and phone number? |
| 00:50.01 | scott | wrong channel :) |
| 00:50.14 | Sargun | um |
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| 00:58.04 | emcnabb | how many people here use iptables to block traffic on a host system |
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| 01:00.30 | rsimpkins | emcnabb: All the time. |
| 01:01.02 | Sargun | emcnabb, thy. |
| 01:01.32 | Sargun | why? |
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| 01:02.31 | emcnabb | I'm debating with someone about how useful it is. If you're not running many services on a box, and you don't care who connects to those services, I don't think you really need a "firewall" configured |
| 01:03.22 | Sargun | you don't |
| 01:03.30 | Sargun | for the longest time I didn't have a firewall |
| 01:03.40 | Tene | emcnabb: I lock traffic down to specific hosts |
| 01:03.49 | rsimpkins | emcnabb: It really depends. It doesn't work well in all cases. What works better is to have a seperate, hardened firewall protecting your network. |
| 01:03.49 | emcnabb | Tene: yeah, that's the only reason |
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| 01:04.03 | Tene | I also block traffic to specific hosts when they repeatedly try to log into and fail to log into public services |
| 01:04.13 | Tene | repeated failed ssh attempts and such |
| 01:04.23 | emcnabb | I agree with that |
| 01:04.24 | rsimpkins | I use SSH throttling. |
| 01:04.48 | rsimpkins | You can also use it for proactive defensie - i.e. sentry tools - which is very nice. |
| 01:05.37 | rsimpkins | If you keep your firewall on a very secure system in front of your network, you can protect your network from A LOT of security issues. |
| 01:11.33 | emcnabb | I agree with all the points you've made. The debate was with a Windows user who thinks that a Linux box needs to have a "firewall" on it just like Windows |
| 01:11.57 | emcnabb | iptables really allows you to take that extra step, but most of the time you don't need it |
| 01:12.31 | Sargun | um |
| 01:12.32 | Sargun | why would you need a firewall... |
| 01:12.44 | Sargun | if you use reputable daemons |
| 01:12.51 | Sargun | and secure them properly |
| 01:12.59 | Sargun | emcnabb, you teach to RHCA class, right? |
| 01:13.04 | Sargun | the security section |
| 01:13.10 | emcnabb | nope |
| 01:13.46 | Sargun | darn, do any of your buddies? |
| 01:13.46 | Sargun | How many RHCAs are there so far. |
| 01:13.58 | Sargun | It took them about 6 months to get 100 IIRC |
| 01:14.52 | emcnabb | there aren't many |
| 01:15.23 | Sargun | I should do it |
| 01:15.26 | emcnabb | these days I do 100% RHEL bug fixes / feature requests |
| 01:15.29 | Sargun | but its _way_ to expensive |
| 01:15.32 | emcnabb | no training |
| 01:15.42 | Sargun | and none of my customers use RHEL |
| 01:15.48 | Sargun | thats cooler. |
| 01:16.26 | Sargun | (your new post) |
| 01:18.36 | emcnabb | I enjoy it |
| 01:18.53 | emcnabb | somewhat overwelming |
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| 01:23.19 | fozzmoo | Hey Jayce |
| 01:24.30 | Sargun | emcnabb, are you still through GuruLabs |
| 01:24.36 | Sargun | or directly under RH |
| 01:32.32 | \me | wazzzaaap! |
| 01:35.44 | Sargun | hey |
| 01:35.49 | Sargun | you |
| 01:36.00 | levi_home | Yay, connectivity at plug. |
| 01:36.19 | \me | sup, levi? |
| 01:36.31 | \me | interesting having you sit right next to me, yet we're still talking in irc |
| 01:36.48 | levi_home | Indeed. |
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| 01:38.23 | \me | is sjansen at this mtg? |
| 01:38.28 | levi_home | Who else here is at plug? |
| 01:38.34 | levi_home | I don't see sjansen here. |
| 01:39.08 | \me | what about mheath? |
| 01:39.13 | \me | mheath, raise your hand |
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| 01:46.20 | scott | x |
| 01:52.41 | levi_home | x? |
| 01:53.22 | pmcnabb | x |
| 01:59.30 | scott | exit :) |
| 01:59.47 | fozzmoo | ^D^D^D^D^D^D |
| 02:00.03 | scott | I wish there was a shell that used treemap |
| 02:00.18 | QBFreak | ~lart tensai |
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| 02:02.19 | elg | i missed the great firewall debate. let me chime in. I think it's usually silly to put a firewall in front of a server. just only run the daemons you want and don't run others and there's no issue |
| 02:05.58 | harleypig | plug is cool ... you should be here |
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| 02:17.34 | elg | -lart harleypig |
| 02:20.15 | elg | ~tornado harleypig |
| 02:20.19 | rsimpkins | http://plug.org updated - incase it wasn't clear |
| 02:29.14 | elg | I'm a bit bummed I didn't get to see the tornado, but it was a fantastic storm nonetheless |
| 02:33.25 | beandog | good ol Antioch. |
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| 02:43.39 | rsimpkins | New plug up for 1 hour and already 7 new users. |
| 02:49.44 | \me | everyone digg redbeard1's tux cake: http://digg.com/linux_unix/World_s_Coolest_Tux_Linux_Cake |
| 02:51.20 | beandog | hee hee |
| 02:51.29 | beandog | were were just talking bout digg in #gentoo-dev |
| 02:51.46 | beandog | beu 03:41:35 @(cpw) if you put digg anywhere in a post, it got replaced with [i like to steal lolipops from babies!!11] |
| 02:53.12 | beandog | what is this my #1 stories?? |
| 02:54.09 | beandog | gah, stupid digg. |
| 02:54.20 | beandog | theyre obviously not doing cascade deletes. |
| 02:56.45 | rsimpkins | Spam all the IRC channels you are in with the digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/World_s_Coolest_Tux_Linux_Cake |
| 02:58.25 | nick125_lappy | woah, thats awesome |
| 02:59.12 | rsimpkins | I wish it had a link to PLUG on it. ;) |
| 02:59.25 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: when I click on herlo in the member directory... |
| 02:59.30 | fozzmoo | it says Page Not Found. |
| 02:59.34 | fozzmoo | What's up with that? |
| 02:59.43 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I've heard reports of that. |
| 02:59.50 | fozzmoo | Okay. I'll shut up now. |
| 02:59.51 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure what the tarnation is going on, cause it works for me. |
| 03:02.25 | rsimpkins | I think I figured out the issue. I think you have to log in for the profile to be built. |
| 03:02.29 | rsimpkins | helo has never logged in. |
| 03:02.37 | rsimpkins | That's an annoying bug. |
| 03:03.25 | fozzmoo | When I got to My Blog... |
| 03:03.29 | fozzmoo | Home » plug blogs » %1's Latest Blog Entries |
| 03:03.43 | rsimpkins | I should have had you on the beta test. ;) |
| 03:03.45 | fozzmoo | I thought you tested this?!?! |
| 03:03.47 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 03:05.20 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: When you are going to home->plug blogs, do you then click on 'my blog' ? |
| 03:05.43 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 03:05.53 | \me | pay attention to Jayce^ guys! ;-) |
| 03:06.06 | rsimpkins | haha ! No way! We are rebels! |
| 03:06.18 | rsimpkins | I'm going to start flinging cake at him any second! |
| 03:06.25 | \me | you're just mad you didn't get a shirt |
| 03:06.29 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 03:07.46 | rsimpkins | bah, forgot the power adapter. |
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| 03:17.22 | amcnabb | Make sure to digg http://digg.com/linux_unix/World_s_Coolest_Tux_Linux_Cake |
| 03:17.32 | amcnabb | (don't forget!) |
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| 03:25.19 | scott | wow, nice cake |
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| 03:40.30 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org, utos.org | don't fear the penguin cake http://blog.josephhall.com/tutorials/tuxcake/ |
| 03:44.00 | findlay | stupid digg won't let me log in ): |
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| 03:49.27 | findlay | ~lart dig |
| 03:51.59 | findlay | ~dig lart |
| 03:56.26 | fishyfire | ~lart findlay |
| 04:00.13 | fishyfire | anybody have some time to help me figure out my ftp problems? |
| 04:01.19 | elg | your problem is that you're using ftp |
| 04:01.46 | fishyfire | ok perhaps that was the wrong question.... |
| 04:01.52 | fishyfire | any suggestions? |
| 04:02.45 | fishyfire | elg? |
| 04:03.02 | fishyfire | what should i be using? |
| 04:05.49 | beandog | whats the problem? |
| 04:06.08 | Tene | rsync/scp/sftp |
| 04:09.38 | fishyfire | i was connecting at home fine... |
| 04:09.49 | fishyfire | then i moved and suddenly none of my accounts will connect |
| 04:10.04 | fishyfire | i was able to get an sftp connect to the cs computer lab |
| 04:10.50 | fishyfire | although it was crashing often... may have just been the silly program i was using |
| 04:12.59 | fishyfire | i keep getting a connection refused error whenever i try to just use the ftp |
| 04:14.42 | beandog | maybe theyre not running an ftp server? |
| 04:15.10 | fishyfire | i was able to connect to it before with ftp |
| 04:15.23 | mrpull- | fishyfire: can you ftp to other sites? |
| 04:15.38 | mrpull- | fishyfire: is it possible _all_ ftp is filtered upstream? |
| 04:15.57 | fishyfire | meaning is my isp blocking it? |
| 04:16.01 | mrpull- | yeah |
| 04:16.16 | fishyfire | that's a possibility... |
| 04:16.19 | mrpull- | seems unlikely, but it's good to rule it out |
| 04:17.06 | fishyfire | the isp is MstarMetro if you've heard anything... |
| 04:17.16 | fishyfire | one way or the other about that |
| 04:17.56 | fishyfire | i'm also running off a router that i wasn't using before... |
| 04:18.07 | fishyfire | not sure if i could have blocked something there... |
| 04:19.18 | fishyfire | is there a setting with my router i could check? |
| 04:20.09 | fishyfire | any way to work around it if MStar has it blocked? |
| 04:20.21 | mrpull- | is SCP an option? |
| 04:21.12 | fishyfire | not that i am aware of... |
| 04:22.43 | fishyfire | i tried to get to some different ftp sites to download software and they are all failing |
| 04:23.32 | mrpull- | fishyfire: only criminals use FTP ;-) |
| 04:23.47 | fishyfire | i'm not trying to be criminal |
| 04:23.58 | fishyfire | just trying to connect to the webhosting server |
| 04:24.09 | mrpull- | i'm teasing... your ISP might think that tho |
| 04:24.12 | elg | fishyfire: welcome to arbitrary port blockage in the name of "family-friendly" |
| 04:24.18 | mrpull- | is it the same isp as before? |
| 04:24.19 | elg | welcome to mstar and ISPs like it |
| 04:24.33 | beandog | Thank goodness I use Comcast. |
| 04:24.35 | fishyfire | same isp as i was using when it worked? |
| 04:24.41 | beandog | They dont do anything stupid or arbirtary. |
| 04:24.43 | mrpull- | fishyfire: yes |
| 04:24.54 | fishyfire | no... i was using charter when it worked |
| 04:24.54 | elg | beandog: heh |
| 04:25.00 | beandog | :) |
| 04:25.23 | elg | they do stupid and arbitrary things because they're stupid and arbitrary. not in the name of "family friendly" |
| 04:25.33 | mrpull- | can you ssh to the host? |
| 04:26.45 | elg | i used to work at mstar, though not in the ISP division |
| 04:27.09 | fishyfire | "Shell access is not enabled on your account! If you need shell access please contact support." |
| 04:27.14 | elg | they're well-meaning, and that's the problem. people like us don't need well-meaning ISPs, we need ISPs that realize we're smarter than them and get out of the way |
| 04:27.18 | elg | or that are actually smarter than us |
| 04:27.25 | fishyfire | lol |
| 04:27.27 | fishyfire | yeah... |
| 04:27.33 | fishyfire | unfortunately... |
| 04:27.39 | fishyfire | Mstar is what i'm stuck with |
| 04:28.06 | elg | I don't think they'd block all ftp for too long, they'd get too many complaints. there's still a lot of things that are downloaded by ftp. |
| 04:28.20 | elg | so complain and cross your finger |
| 04:28.21 | fishyfire | could my router be causing a problem? |
| 04:28.26 | mrpull- | elg: just pr0n and warez ;0) |
| 04:28.35 | elg | and that commie linux stuff |
| 04:28.56 | mrpull- | true |
| 04:29.34 | elg | or those subversive anti-american p2p apps |
| 04:29.38 | fishyfire | so my best bet is to call tech support and complain? |
| 04:30.18 | elg | if you can verify at approximately the same time that some ftp site does work from somewhere else, and that it's not your router/computer/firewall that's causing the problem |
| 04:30.42 | elg | every ftp site you can think of failing is a good substitute for the former |
| 04:30.42 | mrpull- | fishyfire: i'm wiling to test a FTP site if that will help |
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| 04:32.30 | fishyfire | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/924163/com/gftp-2.0.8pre4-2ur.i386.rpm.html |
| 04:32.38 | fishyfire | sorry |
| 04:32.39 | fishyfire | try this |
| 04:32.40 | fishyfire | ftp://chuck.ucs.indiana.edu/pub/array2/linux/freshrpms/ayo/redhat/7.0/i386/RPMS.freshrpms/gftp-2.0.8pre4-2ur.i386.rpm |
| 04:32.49 | fishyfire | i get a unable to connect error |
| 04:33.00 | fishyfire | an unable to connect |
| 04:33.07 | mrpull- | no problem here |
| 04:33.33 | fishyfire | and the router wouldn't be a problem right? |
| 04:35.15 | goozbach | Wiskey TANGO FOXTROT!!!!!!! |
| 04:39.25 | fishyfire | listening to terrible music waiting for "support" |
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| 04:41.40 | elg | fishyfire: might be, depending on the router |
| 04:41.55 | elg | ftp can have issues with NAT, and many firewalls have issues |
| 04:41.57 | goozbach | well off to bed with me |
| 04:42.08 | elg | you might try specifying passive mode in your ftp client |
| 04:42.13 | elg | most browsers do by default |
| 04:42.23 | fishyfire | i tried that before... |
| 04:42.46 | elg | if you do `ftp rpm.pbone.net` does it connecxt? |
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| 04:45.16 | fishyfire | someone answered the phone... |
| 04:46.59 | fishyfire | someone that didn't know if they were being blocked... |
| 04:47.08 | fishyfire | and is going to hopefully get back to me tomorrow |
| 04:47.13 | fishyfire | we'll see if that actually happens |
| 04:48.08 | fishyfire | connection refused to rpm.pbone.net |
| 04:48.23 | elg | right away? |
| 04:48.33 | elg | or after a timeout? |
| 04:48.34 | fishyfire | "Cannot connect to gepard.pbone.net: Connection refused |
| 04:48.41 | fishyfire | right away |
| 04:48.44 | elg | you could try tcpdump and look for icmp packets |
| 04:48.57 | fishyfire | the guy at tech support thought it sounded like it was being blocked also |
| 04:49.11 | fishyfire | but didn't have any info saying it was being done |
| 04:49.12 | elg | yeah, it does sound like it's being blocked |
| 04:49.41 | fishyfire | not sure how to do the tcpdump.... |
| 04:50.03 | fishyfire | (sorry not a lot of knowledge with this stuff) |
| 04:51.03 | fishyfire | guess i'll call tech support back tomorrow night... |
| 04:51.18 | elg | tcpdump -i eth0 icmp |
| 04:52.19 | fishyfire | hmm command not found errors... |
| 04:52.27 | fishyfire | must not have it installed |
| 04:52.37 | rsimpkins | elg: still awake? |
| 04:52.43 | elg | barely |
| 04:52.55 | rsimpkins | 63.108.71.202 keeps requesting index.xml |
| 04:52.58 | rsimpkins | Any idea why? |
| 04:53.04 | rsimpkins | Anything in the logs? |
| 04:53.21 | elg | taurus.northsky.com |
| 04:53.34 | elg | ask Jayce^ harleypig or redbeard1 why they're reloading the front page continuously |
| 04:54.05 | rsimpkins | It looks like it is intended as an RSS feed. |
| 04:54.14 | rsimpkins | I'll do a quick hack job for now, and get with them tomorrow. |
| 04:54.48 | rsimpkins | Anyone know if you can tell RSS to do a redirect? |
| 04:56.19 | elg | how do you mean? |
| 04:56.26 | elg | rss clients probably follow redirects |
| 04:56.40 | elg | so if you set one up it might work |
| 04:56.49 | rsimpkins | I mean some way to tell the RSS client using it's own protocol some how. |
| 04:57.05 | elg | the client just uses http |
| 04:57.42 | rsimpkins | I meant something in the feed that told the requestor to go to a different feed. |
| 04:57.44 | rsimpkins | Make sense? |
| 04:57.53 | rsimpkins | I'm not an RSS guru by any stretch of the imagination. |
| 04:57.54 | elg | if you mean specify in the rss itself where to get the feed, there's a tag for that but it'd be a long shot to hope the client would change its feed url |
| 04:58.26 | rsimpkins | Do I care if they change it if they get the right feed? |
| 04:58.36 | rsimpkins | I don't might index.xml sitting around for that reason - personally. |
| 04:58.43 | rsimpkins | s/might/mind/ |
| 05:03.03 | elg | i don't mind if it doesn't exist and they try to get it until the cows come home, personally |
| 05:14.38 | rsimpkins | I was just trying to reduce chatter in the logs - but if people have been getting the same non-changing news feeds for the last year - they can keep getting it. :) |
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| 05:43.07 | Sargun | I still got bio. |
| 05:44.23 | Sargun | I got AP/Bio |
| 05:45.42 | rsimpkins | Why does warm soda fizz more than cold soda? |
| 05:46.33 | amcnabb | That's a good question. |
| 05:47.06 | amcnabb | Wow. The Tux cake is on popular stories now. |
| 05:47.19 | rsimpkins | Sweet!@ |
| 05:47.41 | rsimpkins | I'm sure it will be melting servers by morning. |
| 05:48.03 | rsimpkins | I wish he would have put a link to plug.org on there so we could have picked up some of the overflow. :) |
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| 05:48.17 | rsimpkins | wow, it is on the top! |
| 05:48.49 | rsimpkins | The server is already melting. :) |
| 05:49.02 | rsimpkins | That'll prevent it from going big. |
| 05:49.41 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 05:50.01 | rsimpkins | Someone page the webmaster. :) |
| 05:50.07 | rsimpkins | Doesn't spr manage that box? |
| 05:50.15 | rsimpkins | Or help manage it or something? |
| 05:50.18 | amcnabb | I don't think so. |
| 05:51.00 | rsimpkins | I have plenty of bandwidth and fire-power if I can get a static mirror of the site. |
| 05:51.13 | amcnabb | Yeah. It's dead. |
| 05:51.29 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:52.00 | rsimpkins | Let me know if any of you can get a clean mirror of it. |
| 05:52.12 | amcnabb | I'm not sure I want to pound the server any more. :) |
| 05:52.13 | Sargun | how long did that take |
| 05:52.14 | rsimpkins | I'm slooowly getting it. |
| 05:52.19 | Sargun | a slashdotting isn't difficult |
| 05:52.23 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, keep on trying |
| 05:53.01 | amcnabb | A mirror would really be nice. |
| 05:53.18 | rsimpkins | yeah, working on it. |
| 05:53.43 | rsimpkins | I've got a ded server in san diego with really good connectivity I own. |
| 05:53.45 | Sargun | is it digg? |
| 05:53.47 | rsimpkins | It's not doing much of anything. |
| 05:53.57 | rsimpkins | yeah, does anyone have a digg account? |
| 05:54.37 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:54.38 | Sargun | why |
| 05:54.46 | rsimpkins | I don't have one. |
| 05:54.53 | Sargun | tell people "STOP HITTING THE PAGE" |
| 05:54.53 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:54.56 | Sargun | like that'll work |
| 05:55.17 | Sargun | who is adminning the server? |
| 05:55.19 | rsimpkins | Well, it is getting later at night - when I get the mirror up someone needs to post the location. |
| 05:55.36 | rsimpkins | At the meeting I could have sworn spr said he helped manage it. |
| 05:57.28 | rsimpkins | Has everyone in here that wants to signed up at plug.org? |
| 05:58.02 | amcnabb | I have already. |
| 05:58.23 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: That bug with the page not found thing happens when someone hasn't logged in to their account yet. |
| 05:58.45 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: I guess the first time you log in there are some 'activation' steps that happen for the first time - including creation of the profile node. |
| 05:59.13 | rsimpkins | Kinda lame it shows up in the list though, I need to see if I can add a quick fix for that one of these days. |
| 05:59.13 | amcnabb | There should probably be some instructions to the new user, then. |
| 05:59.17 | amcnabb | Yeah. |
| 05:59.26 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, any luck with a mirror? |
| 05:59.30 | rsimpkins | Still trying. |
| 05:59.43 | rsimpkins | i'm getting images VERY slowly. |
| 06:00.25 | rsimpkins | I think he is using a lot of FQDN links that I'll have to fix. |
| 06:00.47 | amcnabb | Whatever works. :) |
| 06:05.03 | rsimpkins | what I have of the mirror so far: http://wasatchlinux.com/tuxcake/blog.josephhall.com/tutorials/tuxcake/ |
| 06:05.56 | amcnabb | I just posted a digg comment |
| 06:06.04 | Sargun | thats all of it |
| 06:07.24 | Sargun | your site give some lag |
| 06:08.39 | rsimpkins | Wow - I am already getting pounded. :) |
| 06:09.03 | rsimpkins | Everyone dig the mirror comment up. :) |
| 06:10.57 | amcnabb | Are you getting any more pictures? |
| 06:11.02 | rsimpkins | Slowly |
| 06:11.14 | rsimpkins | The server is just maxed out. |
| 06:11.24 | rsimpkins | plenty of room on my side though. |
| 06:11.43 | rsimpkins | i can probably handle 200-300 hits. |
| 06:12.32 | rsimpkins | Can everyone please digg amcnabb's mirror comment up? |
| 06:13.14 | amcnabb | I don't think there are many people on right now. |
| 06:13.26 | amcnabb | Do you have a digg account yet? |
| 06:13.36 | Sargun | rsimpkins, a second. |
| 06:13.51 | Sargun | right? |
| 06:15.07 | rsimpkins | I added a dig to the comment. |
| 06:15.20 | Sargun | me too |
| 06:15.24 | \me | odd that blogspot can't handle the digg effect |
| 06:15.42 | \me | cool - now we all need to just get herlo to digg our etries and we'll make the front page :-) |
| 06:15.51 | \me | s/etries/entries/ |
| 06:16.39 | rsimpkins | \me: Did you digg the mirror comment up? |
| 06:16.46 | \me | I'm about to |
| 06:18.39 | \me | dugg |
| 06:19.36 | amcnabb | You've got three pictures up on the mirror now. |
| 06:19.38 | amcnabb | :) |
| 06:21.51 | rsimpkins | I think with the increasing popularity it might be quite a while before I get it all. |
| 06:22.10 | rsimpkins | i'm having a hard time even posting a comment now. |
| 06:22.43 | amcnabb | \me, are you sure it's hosted at blogspot? |
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| 06:23.44 | rsimpkins | the server is in Orem. |
| 06:23.49 | rsimpkins | CustName: North Sky Inc. |
| 06:24.04 | rsimpkins | Isn't that united online? |
| 06:24.13 | fozzmoo | uh huh |
| 06:24.51 | rsimpkins | Everyone dig that mirror comment up. |
| 06:25.16 | rsimpkins | Maybe if it is at the top more people will hit it and relieve the server pressure just a bit. |
| 06:25.22 | rsimpkins | I doubt it - but I can hope. |
| 06:27.28 | Sargun | is it dedi? |
| 06:27.31 | amcnabb | It can't hurt. |
| 06:27.54 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Huh? |
| 06:28.02 | Sargun | the server |
| 06:28.04 | rsimpkins | Mine? |
| 06:28.08 | Sargun | or is it like a 2.99 web hosting account |
| 06:28.17 | Sargun | the site that tuxCake is hosted on |
| 06:28.22 | rsimpkins | wasatchlinux.com is mine. |
| 06:28.41 | rsimpkins | I think his box is on a ded server in orem - but I'm not sure the specs or configuration.; |
| 06:29.27 | beandog | gah |
| 06:29.30 | beandog | I think Im gonna be up a while. |
| 06:30.00 | rsimpkins | why? |
| 06:30.08 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, the pictures are coming right along. Thanks for doing the mirror. |
| 06:30.15 | beandog | I'm trying to figure out how to use diff. |
| 06:30.17 | beandog | I suck at it. |
| 06:30.24 | Sargun | diff |
| 06:30.25 | Sargun | diff -u |
| 06:30.33 | Sargun | rm old.file |
| 06:30.52 | beandog | yah, except Im doing it recurisvely against two directories |
| 06:30.57 | Sargun | ah |
| 06:31.00 | Sargun | for i in |
| 06:32.05 | rsimpkins | My server has taken about 200 times more traffic than normal. :) still plenty of room. 100Mbps straight out. |
| 06:32.15 | Sargun | yah |
| 06:32.20 | Sargun | diggs are easy |
| 06:32.25 | Sargun | for dedicated |
| 06:34.42 | rsimpkins | Anyone know Topher Fischer? |
| 06:36.19 | rsimpkins | 468 page views on plug.org. I'm going to guess that is a site better than normal. ;) |
| 06:36.50 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, he's my roommate. |
| 06:36.56 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: Cool, thanks. |
| 06:36.59 | amcnabb | What happened? |
| 06:37.15 | amcnabb | I didn't quite understand what you said there. |
| 06:37.52 | rsimpkins | What happened with what? |
| 06:37.59 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:38.08 | amcnabb | The comment, "468 page views on plug.org. I'm going to guess that is a site better than normal. |
| 06:38.36 | rsimpkins | The plug.org site is just seeing a pretty big spike in traffic today, with the launch and everything. |
| 06:40.30 | rsimpkins | what were Mike and Thayne saying about how they first got linux going? |
| 06:40.37 | rsimpkins | On a bunch of floppies or something? |
| 06:42.20 | rsimpkins | Was it Linux that took up the floppies, or the GNU tools? |
| 06:43.57 | Sargun | disk sleeps are fun |
| 06:49.23 | rsimpkins | Humm, what happens if we all dig down the comments that are sorta not relevent ahead of the mirror comment? |
| 06:49.36 | amcnabb | I already did that. :) |
| 06:50.04 | amcnabb | Please digg down my other comment about the server. |
| 06:50.08 | amcnabb | That's retarded. |
| 06:50.21 | amcnabb | Wow. He's already over 100 diggs. |
| 06:54.18 | rsimpkins | Things have sorta stalled with the mirror. |
| 06:54.23 | rsimpkins | I wonder if we finally hosed the server. |
| 06:56.55 | amcnabb | Keep at it if you can. :) |
| 06:57.11 | amcnabb | The site's only getting more popular. |
| 07:06.52 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, have you had any more luck? |
| 07:07.05 | rsimpkins | I've gotten a couple more pics. |
| 07:07.43 | rsimpkins | Someone submit it to slasdot now. Don't forget to include the link address. :) |
| 07:08.18 | rsimpkins | mirror address. |
| 07:17.03 | rsimpkins | There are just like 2 more pics for the mirror to be complete. |
| 07:17.32 | amcnabb | Almost there. |
| 07:17.54 | amcnabb | So, how many hits have you had on the mirror? |
| 07:20.30 | rsimpkins | only 502. |
| 07:20.45 | rsimpkins | So, it is not releaving much of the traffic for him. Unfortunatly. |
| 07:21.05 | amcnabb | That's still a lot of hits. |
| 07:21.25 | amcnabb | Hey, when it's done, reply to my mirror comment and say that the mirror is complete. |
| 07:21.31 | rsimpkins | k |
| 07:21.58 | rsimpkins | I think all of the main pics are there. |
| 07:22.17 | amcnabb | and make sure to ask people to mod up the parent comment |
| 07:22.21 | rsimpkins | I think it is just recursing down to the rest of the site now. |
| 07:22.26 | amcnabb | ok |
| 07:22.34 | Sargun | rsimpkins, A plan4 VPS could handle this ;-) |
| 07:22.38 | amcnabb | :) |
| 07:23.04 | rsimpkins | Sargun: CPU Usage: u14.05 s5.7 cu0 cs0 - .00588% CPU load - i should hope so. |
| 07:23.11 | Sargun | lol |
| 07:23.19 | Sargun | is that BSD? |
| 07:23.23 | rsimpkins | nope |
| 07:25.41 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: Comment added. |
| 07:28.09 | amcnabb | cool |
| 07:32.57 | amcnabb | Well, I'd better get to bed. |
| 07:33.01 | amcnabb | See you all later. |
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| 08:07.13 | rsimpkins | Hmm. I just went from 400kbps to 1.5mbps. I'm thinking someone else must have picked up the story. |
| 08:10.15 | rsimpkins | 1.8mbps |
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| 12:39.11 | goozbach | nice |
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| 12:49.27 | nick125_lappy | rsimpkins: yup |
| 12:51.12 | redbeard1 | wow. i'm still down. |
| 12:51.37 | redbeard1 | too much digg. |
| 12:54.20 | goozbach | redbeard1: what's this running on? |
| 12:54.33 | goozbach | is it a disk issue |
| 12:54.37 | goozbach | bandwidth? |
| 12:54.56 | goozbach | cpu? |
| 12:55.31 | redbeard1 | it's not bandwidth, it's a DS3 |
| 12:55.51 | redbeard1 | but it's a little server that was probably never meant to handle that kind of traffic, certainly not on its own |
| 12:57.18 | redbeard1 | 287 diggs tho, not bad |
| 13:01.41 | redbeard1 | er. 297. |
| 13:02.18 | nick125_lappy | I'm betting its CPU |
| 13:02.24 | redbeard1 | probably |
| 13:02.41 | redbeard1 | well, i can't get to awstats, but you should see the spike in google analytics |
| 13:03.55 | nick125_lappy | I wonder how difficult that would be.. |
| 13:04.03 | redbeard1 | it's straight html. not even a perl script driving it, like i usually have. how much faster can you get? |
| 13:04.17 | nick125_lappy | that's...wtf? |
| 13:04.23 | redbeard1 | well, software wise, i mean |
| 13:06.17 | levi | Good morning. |
| 13:06.29 | nick125_lappy | morning |
| 13:06.53 | redbeard1 | hey levi |
| 13:06.55 | levi | redbeard1: Congrats on the traffic. :) |
| 13:07.06 | redbeard1 | thanks duder. maybe just a little too much of it. |
| 13:07.07 | levi | Man, all that chocolate almost killed me. Good stuff. |
| 13:07.24 | redbeard1 | levi: were you there? who were you? |
| 13:07.38 | redbeard1 | i don't think i've ever met you irl before |
| 13:07.59 | levi | redbeard1: I was the one who told you it was my birthday, and grabbed some ice cream right before you took it out of the room. :) |
| 13:08.15 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 13:08.51 | redbeard1 | ah, cool |
| 13:08.57 | redbeard1 | good to meet you |
| 13:09.06 | levi | redbeard1: Likewise. |
| 13:09.13 | goozbach | wish I could have been there |
| 13:09.29 | redbeard1 | goozbach: yeah, it would have been cool to see you |
| 13:09.49 | levi | Is sjansen travelling right now? What was his excuse for not showing? |
| 13:09.55 | goozbach | pfft! I just wanted cake |
| 13:10.02 | goozbach | ~seen sjansen |
| 13:10.23 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 20d 16h 24m 9s ago, saying: 'Tene: I've got more than a couple of stories for her.'. |
| 13:10.23 | goozbach | :) |
| 13:10.24 | levi | It was d@%n good cake. :) |
| 13:10.55 | graphyx | wow... |
| 13:11.02 | graphyx | He has 20d worth of stories.. |
| 13:11.39 | redbeard1 | wow... where's stuarts been, anyway? |
| 13:11.46 | goozbach | so he's not signed into jabber either |
| 13:11.57 | goozbach | I suspect foul play |
| 13:12.00 | redbeard1 | he's dead! his classes killed him! |
| 13:12.07 | goozbach | ~rally the troops |
| 13:12.12 | redbeard1 | no, wait. he doesn't have that much class. |
| 13:12.15 | goozbach | SEARCH PARTY! |
| 13:12.15 | levi | He's been on the mailling list. |
| 13:12.21 | redbeard1 | troo... |
| 13:12.44 | goozbach | levi: methinks that someone took offense to his postings, and has kidnapped him |
| 13:13.19 | levi | Man, I got up too early this morning. |
| 13:14.01 | nick125_lappy | aw, this sucks, I don't have any clean pants ready :/ |
| 13:14.34 | levi | I guess you'll just have to wear dirty pants. |
| 13:15.25 | goozbach | his last post seems subject |
| 13:15.27 | nick125_lappy | anyone here notice that federated media is slowing down digg (I keep sitting there "connecting to dynamic.fmpub.net..." |
| 13:15.32 | goozbach | it IS signed by him |
| 13:15.52 | nick125_lappy | But, the kidnappers could have forced him to send that message! |
| 13:16.01 | nick125_lappy | :( |
| 13:16.23 | goozbach | yeah |
| 13:16.36 | goozbach | so he WAS alive on the tenth at least |
| 13:16.42 | goozbach | hmmmm |
| 13:18.08 | redbeard1 | nick125_lappy: i'm noticing that this very moment |
| 13:18.46 | goozbach | s/subject/suspect/ |
| 13:18.57 | goozbach | it's too early for detective work |
| 13:19.07 | goozbach | stuart, you'll just have to wait. |
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| 13:22.27 | goozbach | I'm sure he'll understand |
| 13:22.27 | goozbach | ~seen herlo |
| 13:22.29 | ibot | herlo <n=upirc@h460740f9.area7.spcsdns.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 12h 48m 48s ago, saying: 'cool tx'. |
| 13:22.38 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 13:23.40 | levi | Hi, Lone_Wanderer. |
| 13:23.49 | Lone_Wanderer | hey Levi, how's it going? |
| 13:24.16 | levi | It's going pretty well. Got fun projects at work and school. |
| 13:24.22 | atoponce | wow: http://englishrussia.com/?p=293 |
| 13:24.24 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 13:24.40 | Lone_Wanderer | what are they? |
| 13:26.00 | levi | At work I'm working on network discovery and mapping stuff, IPMI tools, and related things. Also re-learning perl. At school I'm doing AI programming and learning OCaml for it. |
| 13:26.35 | Lone_Wanderer | (installing postgres) |
| 13:26.43 | nick125_lappy | \o/ |
| 13:26.47 | Lone_Wanderer | What's OCaml like? |
| 13:26.59 | atoponce | 72 photos of the chernobyl disaster |
| 13:27.08 | atoponce | pretty breathtaking |
| 13:28.19 | levi | It's got a pretty rich syntax and some very convenient features like pattern matching and type inference. The implementation is very fast, too. It comes with both a bytecode and native code compiler. |
| 13:29.12 | levi | The syntax is taking a bit of getting used to, but it's not too bad and the compiler is pretty reasonable about telling you where your errors are. |
| 13:29.43 | Lone_Wanderer | What's it based on? |
| 13:29.46 | levi | It strongly encourages functional programming, but has some imperative and OO features for use when necessary. |
| 13:29.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I've heard it mentioned a lot. |
| 13:30.05 | levi | It's based on Caml, which is based on Standard ML. |
| 13:30.16 | Lone_Wanderer | markup language? |
| 13:30.30 | levi | No, I believe ML stands for Meta Language. |
| 13:30.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ok |
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| 13:30.55 | levi | It was created, IIRC, to write a theorem prover. |
| 13:31.28 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 13:31.34 | Lone_Wanderer | sounds like a sexy project |
| 13:32.03 | levi | I don't know how sexy theorem provers are, if you're not an academic CS geek. |
| 13:32.09 | Lone_Wanderer | well |
| 13:32.23 | levi | I think they're pretty nifty, but not a lot of people at large share that opinion. |
| 13:32.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm kind of a CS geek, albeit not involved directly in academia. |
| 13:33.31 | levi | SML is now largely academic, but it's a very popular academic language. Plenty of textbooks, so it's used in language courses and compiler courses and such. |
| 13:34.00 | levi | OCaml was developed at INRIA, IIRC, which is French, so it's more popular over there than it is here. |
| 13:34.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 13:34.55 | levi | Nevertheless, it's a reasonably practical language and also has a rather efficient implementation, for such a high-level language. On benchmarks, it scores fairly close to C. |
| 13:35.28 | levi | The SML whole-program compiler MLton generally does a bit better, but I think OCaml is a friendlier language. |
| 13:36.04 | Lone_Wanderer | that's nice |
| 13:36.13 | Lone_Wanderer | what's the syntax like? |
| 13:36.54 | levi | Perhaps surprisingly, the aggressive whole-program Scheme compiler Stalin scores pretty high, too. It compiles Scheme to C using all sorts of advanced program analysis. |
| 13:37.02 | levi | Of SML or OCaml? |
| 13:37.03 | Lone_Wanderer | first google result is a doc titled "Tutorial: How to customize the syntax of OCaml" |
| 13:37.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Which sounds cool. |
| 13:37.54 | levi | OCaml has a program called ocamlp4 that lets you create new syntax. Achieves some of the same goals of Lisp macros, but in a somewhat less elegant way, at least IMHO. |
| 13:39.08 | levi | Such tools are important for research languages, because people are always creating new variants to support new paradigms and such and it's easier to do if you can extend a popular research language rather than start from scratch. |
| 13:39.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Looks like the syntax is somewhat lisp-like with how you call functions at least |
| 13:39.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, gotcha |
| 13:39.56 | levi | Anyway, the OCaml manual is good, and there's also a pretty comprehensive O'Reilly book available for free on it. |
| 13:40.11 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 free |
| 13:41.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope my Postgres book isn't hopelessly out of date |
| 13:42.38 | levi | The OCaml syntax is actually far more complicated than Lisp syntax. Parentheses are never required unless you need to override precedence rules. |
| 13:42.59 | levi | And programs tend to be written more tersely. |
| 13:43.42 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, I ran into some weirdness a couple lines down from the initial function call examples |
| 13:44.11 | levi | Functions can also be implicitly curried. |
| 13:44.24 | Lone_Wanderer | what's currying again? |
| 13:45.04 | levi | Rather, all functions are already curried, and writing multiple-argument functions is syntactic sugar. |
| 13:45.04 | graphyx | I think it is when you spice up chickens for oriental food. |
| 13:46.20 | levi | Currying a function is taking a multiple argument function, say f(a, b) -> x and turning it into a set of single argument functions, like f(a) -> f(b) -> x |
| 13:46.39 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, right |
| 13:47.29 | levi | In OCaml type notation, a function that takes two values of a single type and returns a value of that same type would be of type 'a -> 'a -> 'a |
| 13:47.51 | levi | Which would really be a function of type 'a that returns a function of type 'a that returns a value of type 'a. |
| 13:48.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Gets messy quick, doesn't it? |
| 13:49.26 | levi | So, say your function is called f and it takes args a and b. If you bind f x to a variable, you can then call the function stored at that variable with a single argument y and get a solution back. |
| 13:51.01 | levi | If you want to do that in Lisp, you have do (lambda (y) (f x y)), since f is actually a two-argument function. |
| 13:51.34 | levi | That, or you write f in a curried manner to begin with. |
| 13:51.55 | levi | I suppose you could write a macro to do that for you, too. |
| 13:52.06 | Lone_Wanderer | (lambda (f) (lambda (x) (y)) innit? |
| 13:52.08 | levi | (defun-curried fun (lambda-list) body) |
| 13:53.58 | levi | (defun f (x) (lambda (y) (g x y))), and then you have to call it ((f a) b) instead of (f a b). |
| 13:54.57 | levi | Or, in scheme, (define (f x) (lambda (y) (g x y)), and called the same way. |
| 13:57.56 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 13:58.11 | levi | In Ocaml, it's just: let f x y = g x y, and then called with f a b, or let h = f a in h b |
| 14:00.52 | levi | So the whole currying and uncurrying thing is transparent. It may even be optimized away in some cases, but I'm not sure about that. |
| 14:01.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhhh |
| 14:01.15 | Lone_Wanderer | not in my path |
| 14:01.57 | Lone_Wanderer | hrmm, how do I change the default path for root? |
| 14:02.12 | Lone_Wanderer | just make a new .bashrc? |
| 14:02.48 | levi | Put it in .bash_profile for login shell path changes. |
| 14:04.00 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
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| 14:27.19 | goozbach | cool! I just blew off the CIO |
| 14:29.33 | Lone_Wanderer | do you still have your job? |
| 14:30.00 | graphyx | redbeard1: I just saw your digg link. |
| 14:30.06 | graphyx | Looks like it is getting hammered. |
| 14:31.35 | mheath | Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 14:31.44 | [phoenyx] | good morning |
| 14:32.15 | elg | maquis has been ignoring us, so it's just gentlemen and bots |
| 14:32.34 | elg | ~story goozbach |
| 14:32.40 | graphyx | Is she the only girl on the channel? |
| 14:32.52 | elg | afaik |
| 14:33.37 | elg | we're not sure about Jayce^ |
| 14:34.16 | mheath | hmm...with 30% off of everything, would Lenscrafters still be really expensive? =\ |
| 14:34.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Check their prices and do the math? |
| 14:34.54 | mheath | They don't advertise their prices. |
| 14:35.08 | mheath | I'm wondering if anyone here has shopped there. |
| 14:35.28 | phinux | I did, but I got a discount because my sister was working there. |
| 14:36.00 | mheath | phinux, any idea what the prices were before the discount? |
| 14:36.19 | phinux | You interested in contacts or glasses? |
| 14:36.30 | mheath | Glasses. Eye exam, and one pair of glasses. |
| 14:36.45 | elg | bifocals |
| 14:36.53 | phinux | I got contacts myself. And I'd have to dig out the receipt to check the exam. |
| 14:37.00 | mheath | Supposedly, I get 30% off of both because of AAA membership. |
| 14:37.18 | mheath | Main reason I want to go to lenscrafters is there ready-in-an-hour thing |
| 14:37.19 | phinux | At 30% off it's probably worth it. |
| 14:37.55 | phinux | I don't recall them being terribly unreasonable about their pricing in the first place. Though I personally prefer Costco. |
| 14:38.18 | rsimpkins | Is anyone around that has op status in #utah, or can get it? |
| 14:38.35 | graphyx | redbeard1: I think your linux cake is going to go down as a linux idol! Too bad the site couldn't handle the load or it would be even more widely spread. |
| 14:38.46 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> The new plug.org is now available. You can sign up for a new account here: http://plug.org/user/register |
| 14:38.51 | graphyx | rsimpkins: Do you consider hacking "getting op"? |
| 14:39.02 | mheath | phinux, yeah. Thats the comparison: my dad's probbly going to help me out with these glasses (still jobless :( ), and he usually goes to places like Walmart optical |
| 14:39.11 | rsimpkins | well, if there was a previous topic I think I just accidently zapped it. |
| 14:39.11 | mheath | Walmart optical gave me a bad prescription, though |
| 14:39.31 | mheath | I KNOW my eyes haven't changed enough in less than a year that my glasses only correct to 20/40 now |
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| 14:39.44 | mheath | It had to be the prescription |
| 14:39.55 | phinux | mheath, where are you at? |
| 14:39.58 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org, utos.org | don't fear the penguin cake http://blog.josephhall.com/tutorials/tuxcake/ | The new plug.org is now available. You can sign up for a new account here: http://plug.org/user/register |
| 14:40.06 | rsimpkins | [phoenyx]: I approved it like 5 minutes ago. |
| 14:40.13 | mheath | phinux, Ogden. |
| 14:40.19 | [phoenyx] | rsimpkins: thanks |
| 14:41.07 | phinux | mheath, Hmm... well, my experience with the optometrist in Provo was good. He got my prescription back to normal. |
| 14:41.29 | mheath | which, walmart or lenscrafters. |
| 14:41.30 | mheath | ? |
| 14:41.44 | phinux | lenscrafters. I hate walmart on principle. |
| 14:41.48 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, how many hits did the mirror get during the night? |
| 14:41.57 | rsimpkins | let me count. |
| 14:42.23 | mheath | The military's eye exam proved really worthless. |
| 14:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I swear, ever since their new IRC daemon |
| 14:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | They cannot detect drops in connections worth anything :P |
| 14:42.48 | elg | the military has an irc demon? |
| 14:42.58 | rsimpkins | 2036 page views, server got 69922 hits for the tux cake. |
| 14:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, freenode :P |
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| 14:43.07 | amcnabb | wow |
| 14:43.16 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 14:43.19 | mheath | "Good to go." "But the doctor at MEPS said it was only 20/40" "You saw 20/20" "But I was squinting..." |
| 14:43.21 | amcnabb | You must have some links from other places. |
| 14:43.29 | elg | mheath: don't squint |
| 14:43.50 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: Yeah, it got linked a couple other places I think. I've noticed the main server is laggy, but behaving much better this morning. |
| 14:43.59 | amcnabb | That's awesome. |
| 14:44.10 | rsimpkins | I gotta get ready for work, bbl. :) |
| 14:44.14 | redbeard1 | yay! my server's back! |
| 14:44.22 | amcnabb | What did you have to do to it? |
| 14:44.44 | elg | and don't be a smart alec and say yes when the doctor asks "can you see the bottom line" |
| 14:44.49 | elg | unless you can read it |
| 14:44.51 | redbeard1 | i unplugged it from the network, rebooted, set up a redirect to the mirror, and plugged it back into the network |
| 14:45.17 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: I'm taking redirect traffic? |
| 14:46.10 | rsimpkins | That's fine if true, just curious. |
| 14:46.44 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: well, you were taking mirror traffic anyway, i figured it would be okay |
| 14:46.50 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: Oh, totally. |
| 14:46.51 | redbeard1 | i can turn the redirect off if you want |
| 14:47.03 | rsimpkins | No, dont' worry about it. I've got a good server in a good datacenter. |
| 14:47.20 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: what are you joining? |
| 14:47.33 | rsimpkins | I'm not loaded with bandwidth, maybe 150GB, but considering I normally use 100MB, I think i can take the extra. :) |
| 14:47.50 | rsimpkins | so far we have pushed about 650MB |
| 14:47.59 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: cool. i have excellent bandwith, but the server is a little underpowered |
| 14:48.35 | Lone_Wanderer | This is how hackers get so skinny. |
| 14:48.55 | Lone_Wanderer | "Okay, got that working. Should I go eat now, or... nah, just one more bug." |
| 14:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 14:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "or... nah, just one more level" |
| 14:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "or... nah, just one more mile" |
| 14:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "or... nah, just one more apple" |
| 14:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Such a dangerous phrase |
| 14:50.37 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, don't mention levels |
| 14:50.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm trying to kick my WoW habit |
| 14:50.53 | Lone_Wanderer | >.> maybe I could log on and just level my mage a bit real quick... |
| 14:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | The plus to WoW, is that there's a level limit ;) |
| 14:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | And if you really want to kick your habit, just cancel ;) |
| 14:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really not hard to stop playing WoW when you think about what you're doing |
| 14:52.13 | Lone_Wanderer | well |
| 14:52.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a 60 already |
| 14:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | /played? |
| 14:52.25 | Lone_Wanderer | dunno |
| 14:52.31 | Lone_Wanderer | and I'm not logging on to find out :p |
| 14:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | uh-huh, sure ;) |
| 14:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I believe you ;) |
| 14:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | NOT |
| 14:52.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ? |
| 14:52.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Do most people memorize their /played times? |
| 14:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but you at least have a clue |
| 14:53.10 | Lone_Wanderer | honestly, I have no idea |
| 14:53.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I stopped checking when I hit 60 |
| 14:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That's impressive |
| 14:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I know people that have over 75d /played on two chars |
| 14:54.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure I've got at least that much. |
| 14:54.43 | Lone_Wanderer | OK FINE I'LL LOG IN TO CHECK |
| 14:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap I'm at 60d /played |
| 14:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to find a girl |
| 14:54.54 | Lone_Wanderer | No kidding. |
| 14:55.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Then she can cook for you and clean while you play ;) |
| 14:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I only have ONE char |
| 14:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 14:55.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know how many characters I've got. |
| 14:55.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I came down with altoholism at some point. |
| 14:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | my raid leader has seven level 60s |
| 14:56.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh man, logging into WoW is killing my machine |
| 14:56.36 | Lone_Wanderer | what with all the other stuff I've got running |
| 14:56.46 | elg | like irc |
| 14:56.49 | levi | Expecting that getting a girl will actually increase the amount of time you have to play a game is laughably naive. ;) |
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| 14:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, doing that in order to increase play time of said game was not what I had in mind |
| 14:57.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Winamp, a virus scan in the background, Firefox with several tabs, chatzilla, gaim, and a handfull of putty sessions |
| 14:58.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Somehow I doubt I'll even get connected to the server. |
| 14:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Which server? |
| 14:58.23 | Lone_Wanderer | what server/faction, Scythe? |
| 14:58.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Deathwing |
| 14:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Horde, huh? |
| 14:58.38 | Lone_Wanderer | How'd you know? |
| 14:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I SO saw that coming. |
| 14:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Doomhammer, Alliance ;) |
| 14:59.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess Alliance weenies must not ask what faction people are in |
| 14:59.22 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause they know they'll get asked the same thing in return, and they're ashamed to admit that their testosterone levels are so low |
| 14:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 14:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably the best thing I've heard all week |
| 14:59.47 | graphyx | umm... someone clue me in, whats wrong with his realm? |
| 15:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing at all |
| 15:00.07 | Lone_Wanderer | 52 days, 8 hours |
| 15:00.13 | Lone_Wanderer | 21 days at 60 |
| 15:00.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I play a Tauren. |
| 15:00.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Insert jokes about compensating. |
| 15:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 15:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnome mage |
| 15:01.17 | Lone_Wanderer | MUST STOMP |
| 15:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah yeah, you could try |
| 15:01.29 | Lone_Wanderer | frost or fire? |
| 15:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Fire |
| 15:01.45 | Lone_Wanderer | hunter |
| 15:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | polymorphlol |
| 15:02.03 | Lone_Wanderer | petcansolosquishieslol ;) |
| 15:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | See, that's the thing |
| 15:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I quit bothering with hunters in general |
| 15:02.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I sheep them, frost nova their pet |
| 15:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Then walk off and kill someone else |
| 15:02.35 | Lone_Wanderer | (Okay not any more. But before they nerfed bestial wrath, yeah, he'd kill any squishy in about 5 seconds.) |
| 15:03.01 | Lone_Wanderer | My PvP pet doesn't get crowd controlled very often, I've beefed up his resistances all crazy-like. |
| 15:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | To what? |
| 15:03.07 | Lone_Wanderer | don't recall |
| 15:03.09 | Lone_Wanderer | and I logged off already |
| 15:03.23 | Lone_Wanderer | winamp was skipping :p but I can look up the pet talents |
| 15:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | You geared out at all? |
| 15:03.48 | Lone_Wanderer | nah, not really |
| 15:03.54 | Lone_Wanderer | more geared for pve |
| 15:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 15:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm sitting at a nice pretty +350 damage :) |
| 15:04.30 | Lone_Wanderer | dag |
| 15:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm, fireball crits for 1800 |
| 15:05.13 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 15:05.23 | Lone_Wanderer | pets can have 120 resistance max |
| 15:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Then burns for 720 additional |
| 15:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, yeah that's nothing |
| 15:05.42 | Lone_Wanderer | it keeps him from getting CCed pretty effectively :p |
| 15:05.57 | graphyx | credit carded? |
| 15:05.59 | Lone_Wanderer | he doesn't live long, but that's not important |
| 15:06.02 | Lone_Wanderer | crowd controlled |
| 15:06.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe, but I'm one of those weird people who know how ti play :/ |
| 15:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ti/to/ |
| 15:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Though hunters DO give me crap |
| 15:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | there's a number of skills and spells that can take a player out of commission, collectively referred to as crowd control |
| 15:07.00 | graphyx | ahh.. |
| 15:07.15 | graphyx | So you freeze a number of them and then take out friends until you can deal with the crowd? |
| 15:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Crowd control effects can range from one second duration to a single target, to an area of effect for 6s |
| 15:07.29 | Lone_Wanderer | freeze, polymorph (sheep) |
| 15:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 15:07.40 | Lone_Wanderer | trap, mind control, stun |
| 15:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Fear, slow, disorient, blind... tons of them |
| 15:08.20 | Lone_Wanderer | mages are hit and miss for me |
| 15:08.33 | Lone_Wanderer | seems to be a matter of whether they know how to play |
| 15:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You can talent (change) Blizzard (AoE frost spell) to reduce movement speed to 30% of normal, for instance |
| 15:09.04 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah but movement speed when you're dealing with a non-melee class doesn't really mean anything |
| 15:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why I have my macro'd polymorph :) |
| 15:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | When you switch from sheep/pig/turtle, it completly resets diminishing returns |
| 15:09.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh |
| 15:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 15:09.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder how long that'll stick around |
| 15:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, I'm using it ;) |
| 15:09.56 | Lone_Wanderer | before they make it "working as intended" |
| 15:10.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And even then it's fun to change people's shapes on demand like that |
| 15:10.09 | Lone_Wanderer | If you're lucky they'll do like they did with traps |
| 15:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | *poof* *poof* *poof* *poof* *poof* |
| 15:10.24 | Lone_Wanderer | leave it that way for a year and a half |
| 15:10.37 | Lone_Wanderer | then one patch change it, leave it out of the patch notes, and say it's working as intended |
| 15:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be awesome |
| 15:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It's sooo abusable |
| 15:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh |
| 15:11.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I like being sheeped, normally. |
| 15:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Later tonight, we'll have to queue up and see ;) |
| 15:11.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Boosts regen considerably. |
| 15:11.35 | Lone_Wanderer | And people ignore you while you're sheeped. |
| 15:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally, yeah |
| 15:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I use it as a counterspell on a 1.5s cast timer though |
| 15:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Poly --> fireblast = no spell used and no health regenned |
| 15:12.19 | Lone_Wanderer | :-) |
| 15:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I also have all of, let's count |
| 15:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 12 or 13 abilities mouse-bound |
| 15:12.53 | Lone_Wanderer | If I'm fighting a mage one on one and they start casting fireblast, I trinket and scattershot when it's about to go off |
| 15:13.05 | Lone_Wanderer | how many mouse buttons do you have? |
| 15:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Five including the scroll wheel |
| 15:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl, alt, and shift combos |
| 15:13.22 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
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| 15:13.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got things bound but I didn't think to use key combos |
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| 15:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.brantleyonline.com/images/wow-leet-ui.png <-- my UI |
| 15:16.02 | Lone_Wanderer | ... |
| 15:16.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got . in my path |
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| 15:16.14 | Lone_Wanderer | hax! |
| 15:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | huh? |
| 15:16.49 | Lone_Wanderer | echo $PATH |
| 15:16.51 | Lone_Wanderer | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:.:/usr/local/pgsql/bin |
| 15:16.56 | Lone_Wanderer | next to last |
| 15:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 15:17.12 | Lone_Wanderer | no, not nice :'( |
| 15:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Take a look at that screenshot, tell me what you think ;) |
| 15:18.11 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 15:19.22 | Lone_Wanderer | loading... |
| 15:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a large .png on a home residential cable connection |
| 15:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll take a second or two |
| 15:19.54 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 15:20.05 | Lone_Wanderer | where's all your IWIN buttons? |
| 15:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | keybound ;) |
| 15:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly mouse-bound actually |
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| 15:21.26 | amcnabb | Hey. Is anyone in the mood to write another digg story? |
| 15:21.32 | fozzmoo | about what? |
| 15:21.37 | amcnabb | I just finished my page on how to make a fireball with candle wax. |
| 15:21.43 | amcnabb | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~amcnabb/paraffin/ |
| 15:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ehh, digg had possibility |
| 15:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I got tired of it after the fourth "How to hack!" article |
| 15:25.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Looks like the table was in great shape when you were done :p |
| 15:25.59 | amcnabb | There's a lot of filtering you have to do, but I've seen some cool stuff on digg that I wouldn't have seen anywhere else. |
| 15:26.07 | amcnabb | It's kind of like slashdot in that sense. |
| 15:26.14 | Lone_Wanderer | reddit! |
| 15:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | True. But the ratio isn't that awesome ;) |
| 15:26.18 | amcnabb | Lone_Wanderer, it sprays a lot of wax. :) |
| 15:26.27 | amcnabb | ScytheBlade1, I agree. |
| 15:27.29 | emcnabb | http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/14/BAGPJL5DHV1.DTL |
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| 15:29.40 | sjansen | http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/14/BAGPJL5DHV1.DTL |
| 15:29.43 | graphyx | amcnabb: Interesting write up. |
| 15:29.49 | graphyx | You need to put warnings for the idiots out there though. |
| 15:29.56 | graphyx | It reminded me of sparkler bombs. |
| 15:30.12 | graphyx | Really really dangerous. |
| 15:30.27 | graphyx | ^^^ refers to sparkler bombs. |
| 15:30.53 | amcnabb | emcnabb, that's crazy. |
| 15:31.07 | amcnabb | Hans Reiser seems like a really interesting person. |
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| 15:31.10 | emcnabb | you know, sjansen and hans (reiser) have a lot in common |
| 15:31.18 | mrpull | whoa |
| 15:31.36 | mrpull | does he keep a journal? |
| 15:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really too bad too bad to read |
| 15:33.05 | ScytheBlade1 | If nothing else, he makes an awesome filesystem :P |
| 15:34.32 | graphyx | For a second there I didn't read the reiser part and initially thought the article was about hans fugal. |
| 15:34.33 | graphyx | from the comments maid in the channel. |
| 15:34.33 | amcnabb | ScytheBlade1, yes and no. He isn't very good at cooperating with other people. It could be a lot better if he would. |
| 15:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | amcnabb, true |
| 15:34.56 | amcnabb | He has made some strange personal decisions. |
| 15:35.08 | emcnabb | I love the novel he has been writing |
| 15:35.25 | fozzmoo | Who is Hans Reiser? |
| 15:35.36 | Jayce^ | creator of ReiserFS |
| 15:35.58 | amcnabb | AND creator of Reiser4 :) |
| 15:36.01 | fozzmoo | Ok. |
| 15:36.48 | emcnabb | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5654/print |
| 15:36.59 | emcnabb | a description of his novel is at the bottom: |
| 15:37.08 | emcnabb | Hans Reiser: I wrote about a world where government of the earth by a Muslim theocracy had just been overthrown in a revolution, the new rulers lacked military skills and aliens were about to attack, and one of the children of the overthrown ruler was militarily gifted and trying to use intrigue and the danger of aliens to regain power. This character allies with a lover who wants to obsolete humanity with AIs and genetic engineering. That character has |
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| 15:51.48 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 15:52.14 | rsimpkins | I have lost all hope for /. - Segway makes it, but the world's coolest tux cake gets rejected. |
| 15:52.52 | amcnabb | That's terrible. |
| 15:54.11 | Jayce^ | morons |
| 15:57.14 | atoponce | why doesn't gaim support jabber priority? |
| 15:57.20 | atoponce | freaking frustrating! |
| 15:59.34 | atoponce | and the gaim devs refuse to support simultaneous messages to multiple contacts, for fear of abuse |
| 16:01.00 | ^Migs^ | a wise decision, imo |
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| 16:08.23 | rsimpkins | Anyone here know 'pnhowe' ? |
| 16:08.36 | amcnabb | nope |
| 16:09.21 | atoponce | nay |
| 16:11.22 | [phoenyx] | rsimpkins: yup |
| 16:11.55 | rsimpkins | [phoenyx]: Thanks. |
| 16:14.39 | rsimpkins | 'sigh' - Jayce^!!! |
| 16:15.52 | rsimpkins | in plug. |
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| 16:17.49 | harleypig | herlo: yes nupm and plug are in the same location |
| 16:17.53 | amcnabb | I really like the new plug site. |
| 16:18.04 | herlo | woah! |
| 16:18.13 | herlo | ~onjoin herlo |
| 16:18.25 | herlo | ~onjoin |
| 16:21.41 | ^Migs^ | http://www.glumbert.com/media/tonguetwister |
| 16:24.16 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp29.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 16:26.33 | elg | "a dog that can smell a cadaver" |
| 16:27.00 | elg | that's a special dog skill, is it? |
| 16:27.21 | rsimpkins | A cadaver dog? Yes. I believe they are used in disasters to help recover bodies of victims. |
| 16:29.49 | fozzmoo | I just thought it was a dead dog. |
| 16:30.18 | fozzmoo | Cadaver Dog. Cousin to Corpse Beagle. |
| 16:30.52 | fozzmoo | Zombie Dog. |
| 16:31.55 | ^Migs^ | Here's the blog of the guy who shot up all those people in Canada the other day: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:I3pvdq9pT1MJ:vampirefreaks.com/u/fatality666+fatality666&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=2 |
| 16:32.01 | ^Migs^ | freakin idiot |
| 16:32.58 | fozzmoo | Got what he came for. |
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| 16:34.39 | levi | harleypig: Did nupm have a meeting yesterday? |
| 16:35.53 | rsimpkins | yes |
| 16:38.01 | levi | When does it start? |
| 16:38.11 | levi | Undoubtedly too early for me to make it. |
| 16:38.14 | rsimpkins | 6:30 |
| 16:38.30 | rsimpkins | If you happend to come at 7 you might still pick up on some stuff. |
| 16:38.38 | rsimpkins | An hour for that meeting is sometimes way too long IMHO. |
| 16:38.56 | elg | i'm sure pointing out cadavers is a special dog skill |
| 16:38.58 | levi | My class at UVSC ends at 6:45. I could probably make it by 7 if I left quickly instead of lingering. |
| 16:39.02 | elg | but I'm betting most dogs can smell cadavers |
| 16:39.43 | levi | elg: Perhaps they were implying training to seek out the cadavers that they smell. |
| 16:39.46 | goozbach | sjansen only came and went |
| 16:39.55 | goozbach | methinks he's trying to tell us something |
| 16:40.04 | goozbach | look deeper into the article he posted |
| 16:40.04 | elg | levi: of course. I just like to point out imprecise language used by reporters |
| 16:40.11 | goozbach | it may lead us to where they are keeping him |
| 16:41.05 | herlo | redbeard1: sorry for the digg slam! I am proud to put it up however, you deserve the recognition... |
| 16:41.32 | elg | goozbach: are you saying they're keeping him in hans reiser's house's crawl space? |
| 16:41.32 | amcnabb | herlo, there were some problems, but it was worth it. |
| 16:41.34 | goozbach | herlo: can you verify that sjansen is at the GL offices? |
| 16:41.37 | elg | poor sjansen |
| 16:41.41 | herlo | goozbach: he is... |
| 16:41.49 | goozbach | does he look ok? |
| 16:41.56 | elg | are you sure he's not an imposter? |
| 16:42.02 | goozbach | any weird blemsishes? |
| 16:42.02 | herlo | no, he looks like sjansen |
| 16:42.14 | rsimpkins | herlo: Yes, but does he SMELL like sjansen? |
| 16:42.25 | herlo | rsimpkins: not sure, never wanna get that close |
| 16:42.25 | goozbach | weird(er) actions? |
| 16:42.30 | levi | Whoa, it took me a moment to figure out that the article was about /that/ Hans Reiser. |
| 16:42.36 | elg | you need a dog that can smell sjansen |
| 16:42.48 | herlo | goozbach: define weird (with regard to sjansen) |
| 16:43.00 | elg | herlo: is he talking about how awesome debian is? |
| 16:43.00 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: the tux cake was rejected on slashdot? |
| 16:43.03 | goozbach | ohh yeah, you wouldn't know him well enough |
| 16:43.05 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: Yes. |
| 16:43.08 | herlo | elg: not lately |
| 16:43.15 | goozbach | ask dax or bryan to verify that sjansen seems the same |
| 16:43.26 | elg | is he bashing on redhat? |
| 16:43.29 | goozbach | we're (#utah) worrried about him |
| 16:43.40 | herlo | amcnabb: I agree, he needed the exposure, it was good for his ego |
| 16:43.45 | elg | is he calling for the end of reply-to munging? |
| 16:43.46 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: maybe it's for the better. my server's never seen this kind of cpu load before. |
| 16:43.46 | goozbach | it's not like him to not show up to a LUG meeting when food is involved |
| 16:43.58 | herlo | goozbach: I think it has something to do with his lack of sleep recently |
| 16:44.06 | goozbach | he's not sleeping? |
| 16:44.17 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: hehe. Well, on my side of things I have taken 5000 page views, and about 170,000 hits |
| 16:44.18 | goozbach | there's GOT to be something uuup |
| 16:44.30 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: That is pretty good success. |
| 16:44.33 | goozbach | tell him to blink twice if he's being held against his will |
| 16:44.49 | amcnabb | rsimpkins, that's a ton of hits. |
| 16:44.53 | herlo | goozbach: no, he was awakened by a jack hammer at 10 after 7 this morning |
| 16:45.09 | herlo | goozbach: he left the room, but I will ask soon... |
| 16:45.50 | elg | sigh. big homework and i'm in no mood |
| 16:47.05 | elg | herlo: if he's left the room, go over and fire up gtk |
| 16:47.09 | elg | er, xchat |
| 16:47.15 | elg | how did I come up with gtk? I don't know. |
| 16:47.23 | herlo | elg: lol |
| 16:47.31 | elg | actually, fire up xchat in a loop that will keep restarting it |
| 16:47.36 | elg | and hide that xterm |
| 16:47.47 | herlo | I suppose I could, but I think I'd get sucked in and turn in to a Mr Stuart (Smith) |
| 16:47.55 | goozbach | THEY'RE USING A JACKHAMMER ON HIM?!?!?! |
| 16:48.06 | Jayce^ | goozbach, wouldn't you? |
| 16:48.12 | herlo | elg: that's a good idea |
| 16:48.15 | goozbach | it's time to call GPS (geek protection services) for him |
| 16:48.21 | herlo | goozbach: something like that |
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| 17:03.20 | mheath | <Lone_Wanderer> mheath: what are you joining? |
| 17:03.22 | mheath | ..... |
| 17:03.25 | mheath | ~lart Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:04.05 | elg | you know, irc isn't a permanent medium |
| 17:04.09 | goozbach | #utah is |
| 17:04.20 | goozbach | ~log |
| 17:04.22 | ibot | methinks log is as piece of wood, or a record |
| 17:04.25 | goozbach | ~logs |
| 17:04.26 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 17:04.33 | elg | information dissemination isn't guaranteed even for people that use screen+irssi |
| 17:05.11 | mheath | eh? are you talking to me? |
| 17:05.47 | goozbach | elg: true |
| 17:05.55 | goozbach | it's not a bb |
| 17:05.58 | goozbach | or a forum |
| 17:06.03 | goozbach | or a mailling list |
| 17:06.33 | goozbach | or a pile of post-it(tm) papers stuck to the inside of the front door |
| 17:06.44 | goozbach | or a whiteboard on the wall of my room |
| 17:07.04 | elg | more like watching a fire |
| 17:07.55 | mheath | firewatch. |
| 17:08.51 | mheath | ibot: firewatch is armed forces venacular for getting up at odd hours of the night and doing nothing....with purpose. |
| 17:08.52 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 17:09.00 | mheath | ~firewatch |
| 17:09.02 | ibot | methinks firewatch is armed forces venacular for getting up at odd hours of the night and doing nothing....with purpose. |
| 17:09.38 | harleypig | http://www.comics.com/comics/reality/index.html |
| 17:09.47 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org, utos.org | don't fear the penguin cake http://blog.josephhall.com/tutorials/tuxcake/ | The new plug.org is now available. You can sign up for a new account here: http://plug.org/user/register | mheath has a bad knee. his journey to the civilian side |
| 17:10.12 | mheath | ...got cut off? |
| 17:10.12 | mheath | :P |
| 17:10.16 | elg | looks like we hit the limit |
| 17:10.21 | elg | .. is complete |
| 17:10.51 | mheath | I'm not 100% civilian yet |
| 17:10.59 | elg | rsimpkins: can we make a #utah page on the new site with random bits of information so we can free up space in the topic for interesting thigns? |
| 17:11.02 | elg | instead of urls |
| 17:11.12 | mheath | I'm still under SGLI for...116 more days |
| 17:11.20 | mheath | Thats right, I'm still work $400,000 dead. |
| 17:11.36 | rsimpkins | elg: I'd likt to work with TimRiker on getting ibot integrated. :) |
| 17:11.50 | rsimpkins | Or some bot that when you post a link here - it shows up on plug.org |
| 17:11.57 | rsimpkins | elg: What did you have in mind? |
| 17:12.25 | elg | just a little static page with all those blasted urls, and maybe a bit of our unique etiquette |
| 17:12.43 | elg | and introducing the bots and that sort of thing |
| 17:13.01 | elg | I'll write it if you like. if it's hard to make a static page in the site I'll just host it |
| 17:13.27 | rsimpkins | elg: It's not hard at all. you actually have admin rights to the site. You can add it any time you like. :) |
| 17:13.36 | rsimpkins | elg: create content->page |
| 17:16.44 | rsimpkins | redbeard1's cake is now international: http://planet.linux.pl/ |
| 17:17.01 | rsimpkins | That must be cool seeing your stuff with a forign language underneath it. |
| 17:19.30 | Jayce^ | ~lart peregrine |
| 17:19.45 | Jayce^ | he mistagged his last post, hosing openclue... |
| 17:19.46 | Lone_Wanderer | mheath: you said you went to MEPS, I'm wondering which branch you're going into. |
| 17:20.00 | Jayce^ | herlo, can you hit him with something for us? |
| 17:20.46 | goozbach | he seems to do that often |
| 17:20.53 | goozbach | ~lart peregrine |
| 17:20.58 | herlo | Jayce^: sure, when he returns, he just left suddenly about 10 minutes ago, has yet to return |
| 17:20.58 | goozbach | cool |
| 17:21.10 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, I JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS FOR A KNEE INJURY. I don't like talking about it. Yet people don't notice that its IN THE TOPIC and that its been discussed OVER AND OVER AGAIN and they keep bringing it up. |
| 17:21.13 | Jayce^ | maybe the other hitman already found him |
| 17:21.27 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, okay |
| 17:21.31 | goozbach | maybe he's involved with the sjansen case... |
| 17:21.33 | goozbach | hmmmm |
| 17:21.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I never read the topic. Too much crap in there. |
| 17:22.03 | elg | it's only been in the topic for five minutes |
| 17:22.03 | goozbach | STUART! if you can hear me, we're coming for you |
| 17:22.03 | goozbach | stand strong |
| 17:22.06 | graphyx | mheath: We are sorry that it keeps getting brought up. However, I do think that it will be as much part of conversation for you for the next little bit as was the fact that you were going to join in the first place. |
| 17:22.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And I was AFK when it got put there. |
| 17:22.43 | mheath | graphyx, yep. I think that fact actually helped me with a job offer.... |
| 17:22.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I do apologize though, I didn't know what happened. If it's any consolation, I also am unable to join the marines for medical reasons. |
| 17:22.52 | goozbach | I think it stems from the fact that people weren't expecting him back |
| 17:22.52 | mheath | backcountry.com...the guy that called me was ex-army, medically discharged |
| 17:23.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, I've heard of them |
| 17:23.10 | Lone_Wanderer | sounds like a good place to work |
| 17:23.11 | mheath | I think me putting Marine Corps on my resume helped him be enthusiastic about callling me |
| 17:23.17 | goozbach | kinda like coming home from a mission early. EVERYBODY want's to know why |
| 17:23.43 | mheath | goozbach, tonight is going to be horrible, in that regard |
| 17:23.54 | mheath | I was heavily involved with a military youth group before I joined the actual military |
| 17:24.00 | mheath | I'm invited to a dinner they're doing tonight |
| 17:24.05 | Lone_Wanderer | just put a bandage over your face |
| 17:24.23 | Lone_Wanderer | leave some "stitches" peeking out |
| 17:24.25 | Lone_Wanderer | nobody will ask |
| 17:25.04 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer, I have a bad limp |
| 17:25.12 | mheath | bbiab |
| 17:26.45 | emcnabb | mheath: you're back! |
| 17:26.56 | elg | ~logs |
| 17:27.00 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 17:27.17 | emcnabb | elg: I know |
| 17:27.27 | elg | i did that for me. gotta grab the url |
| 17:27.34 | emcnabb | ah, ok |
| 17:27.36 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
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| 17:29.35 | herlo | from sjansen: Tell them I've fallen and I can't get up. |
| 17:29.55 | graphyx | Wouldn't that be the IRC client has fallen and he can't get it up? |
| 17:30.17 | goozbach | herlo: it's code |
| 17:30.35 | goozbach | it means the the Fallidacio is somewhat indrectly involved |
| 17:31.12 | goozbach | fallidacio is a brazillan tech mafia |
| 17:31.20 | goozbach | it's WORSE than I thought |
| 17:31.37 | goozbach | Jayce^: I'm gonna need you to come with me to translate |
| 17:31.45 | goozbach | bring your new harnes |
| 17:31.51 | goozbach | harndess |
| 17:31.53 | goozbach | gah |
| 17:32.05 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:32.06 | goozbach | look at me, I'm so distraught I cannot type correctly |
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| 17:32.12 | Jayce^ | that's just *bad* goozbach |
| 17:32.28 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. Read http://plug.org/node/28 . Don't fear the penguin cake http://blog.josephhall.com/tutorials/tuxcake/ . The new plug.org site is now available. Sign up for a new account here: http://plug.org/user/register | mheath has a bad knee. his journey to the civilian side is complete. |
| 17:32.32 | Lone_Wanderer | is there really a Brazillian tech mafia? |
| 17:32.42 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: yes, and they've kidnapped sjansen |
| 17:32.53 | goozbach | they're limiting his IRC access |
| 17:33.02 | goozbach | load out, we're going to rescue him |
| 17:33.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Hold on, I'll call my kung fu brothers and sisters. |
| 17:33.43 | Lone_Wanderer | We'll get him back from those smarmy Brazillians. (What does smarmy mean? It's not a racist thing is it?) |
| 17:33.59 | goozbach | here's a pic of one of their sharpshooters: http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/friends/Paintball/DesertEdge/AliensVII/all_photos/.cache/682x1024-IMG_0174.jpg |
| 17:34.17 | elg | heh. |
| 17:34.17 | goozbach | cleverly disguised as a paintball player |
| 17:34.20 | elg | It seems that emcnabb's shift-key is hanging: 7.1% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE. |
| 17:34.27 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: smarmy is like unctuous |
| 17:34.33 | goozbach | he used the Aliens game as an excuse to come to Utah |
| 17:34.49 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Or ingratiating |
| 17:34.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, they do have to have a way to practice shooting the few American geeks who get regular athletic activity in their schedules. |
| 17:35.03 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Think 'used car salesman' |
| 17:35.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 17:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I was afraid it described certain darker tones of skin, most often found in eastern Europe or among migrant performers also on the European continent. |
| 17:36.25 | Lone_Wanderer | although I suppose a gypsy could be smarmy |
| 17:36.30 | levi | Perhaps you're thinking of swarthy? |
| 17:36.36 | Lone_Wanderer | that's it |
| 17:36.59 | Lone_Wanderer | who's the guy in the picture? |
| 17:37.30 | Lone_Wanderer | He looks like he'd be hard to spot if he were lying in a huge pile of moss. |
| 17:37.52 | elg | or hanging out in a crowd of black lagoon creatures |
| 17:38.06 | levi | I don't think swarthy is considered derogatory. |
| 17:39.00 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:40.20 | rsimpkins | unless you're talking about those swarthy piriates! Arghh! |
| 17:40.44 | elg | ~dict swarthy |
| 17:41.05 | elg | ~dict smarmy |
| 17:41.19 | levi | elg: What, you don't trust my definitions? |
| 17:41.24 | elg | the smarmy marketing dept. |
| 17:41.32 | mrpull | rsimpkins: is the date right on the plug www server? |
| 17:41.36 | elg | just keeping ibot sharp |
| 17:41.57 | rsimpkins | mrpull: I've heard one report that it is messed up, but didn't get specifics. |
| 17:42.28 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure if elg and ntp setup. |
| 17:42.43 | rsimpkins | If it is, I don't see it running. |
| 17:43.52 | graphyx | what service is elg? |
| 17:44.23 | rsimpkins | sorry, it doesn't appear elg has ntp set up on the PLUG server, and the time does seem a few minutes off. |
| 17:44.43 | graphyx | I was wondering if I neededto get the hans service installed on my box. |
| 17:46.56 | Lone_Wanderer | the hans service? |
| 17:47.06 | elg | it's running now |
| 17:47.20 | Lone_Wanderer | what is the hans service? |
| 17:47.31 | elg | it's only about 12 minutes off though |
| 17:48.54 | Lone_Wanderer | If your lawyer charged $500 an hour and were "only" 12 minutes off in billing, that amount of time would suddenly take on a lot more importance to you. |
| 17:49.22 | ^Migs^ | why is your lawyer charging you $500 an hour? |
| 17:49.30 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause that's what lawyers charge |
| 17:49.36 | macnewbold | double overtime or something? |
| 17:49.41 | ^Migs^ | my dad only charges $150 an hour |
| 17:49.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Nah, double bloodsucking ;) |
| 17:50.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Except your dad, of course. |
| 17:50.07 | macnewbold | the firm we use ranges from like $80-300, depending on who does the work, I think |
| 17:50.14 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I don't know where you get this $500 figure |
| 17:50.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I just made it up. |
| 17:50.24 | macnewbold | the Red Cross will suck your blood free of charge... |
| 17:50.28 | ^Migs^ | stop making things up then passing them off as universal fact |
| 17:50.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ... |
| 17:50.35 | macnewbold | and give you cookies and juice |
| 17:50.39 | ^Migs^ | Lone_Wanderer-- |
| 17:50.58 | ^Migs^ | thanks! |
| 17:50.59 | ^Migs^ | Lone_Wanderer++ |
| 17:51.03 | macnewbold | nice |
| 17:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | You're welcome. |
| 17:51.19 | ^Migs^ | chocolate chip cookies? |
| 17:51.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Umm. |
| 17:51.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Valium chip actually >.> |
| 17:51.35 | ^Migs^ | Lone_Wanderer++++++++++++++++++ |
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| 17:56.26 | levi | Hmm, I dunno why David Brin gets to expound on the pedagogical value of BASIC. I agree with him on some level, though. |
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| 17:57.06 | amcnabb | I used some BASIC towards the beginning. I wish I hadn't. |
| 17:57.38 | amcnabb | I can't think of more than one or two things I learned that I didn't have to unlearn later. |
| 17:59.26 | ^Migs^ | David Brin = pwn |
| 18:00.00 | TimRiker | rsimpkins: huh? what? patches welcome. |
| 18:00.34 | levi | I don't think BASIC itself is really worth defending. It's the environment you were given with early computers, where there was a fairly easy-to-use programming language that appeared on the screen when you turned it on, and quite a bit of the useful software you could get was written in it. |
| 18:01.05 | ^Migs^ | Now we need BASIC 2.0 |
| 18:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | In Jr. High I had a friend that wrote a screen saver in BASIC. |
| 18:01.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I was learning HyperCard at the time. |
| 18:01.30 | ^Migs^ | I knew a guy who wrote his own BBS software in BASIC |
| 18:01.39 | amcnabb | ^Migs^, ouch |
| 18:02.17 | levi | amcnabb: BASIC is what you had to work with back then. |
| 18:02.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, they hadn't invented assembly or C yet. |
| 18:02.51 | levi | Writing and swapping BASIC code was the 'open source' of the day, unless you were l33t and into ASM hacking. |
| 18:02.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Learn your history! |
| 18:03.16 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Certainly those were available, but you had to buy an assembler or C compiler, and BASIC was everywhere. |
| 18:03.32 | Lone_Wanderer | you had to BUY a C compiler?? |
| 18:03.53 | ^Migs^ | if you RTFA, the point is that there isn't easy access to a programming interface now when you load up Windows |
| 18:05.12 | levi | In any case, C isn't an easy language. |
| 18:05.35 | ^Migs^ | which is why we need BASIC 2.0 |
| 18:05.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm still not clear on this - you said they had to purchase, with money, a C compiler? |
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| 18:06.04 | ^Migs^ | I didn't have a c compiler on my machine |
| 18:06.14 | ^Migs^ | so yes, one had to be purchased |
| 18:06.27 | levi | I don't know if I could have purchased a C compiler for my Apple II. I had Logo for it, though. |
| 18:06.36 | ^Migs^ | yeah, Logo rocked |
| 18:06.40 | levi | Back then, C was mostly on unix machines. |
| 18:06.48 | ^Migs^ | We need Logo 3D. |
| 18:06.55 | Lone_Wanderer | were unix machines expensive or something? |
| 18:07.08 | ^Migs^ | people didn't learn BASIC on unix machines |
| 18:07.27 | levi | It's time for me to eat lunch. Enjoy being obtuse without me. :) |
| 18:07.28 | ^Migs^ | unix, especially "back then" didn't lend itself well to noob |
| 18:07.29 | ^Migs^ | noobs |
| 18:09.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you mixing metaphors on purpose? |
| 18:12.39 | goozbach | redbeard1: got any good cookie recipies? |
| 18:16.12 | elg | goozbach: I'm not redbeard1, but http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season3/Cookie/CookieTranscript.htm |
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| 18:25.09 | redbeard1 | goozbach: what kind of cookie recipes? |
| 18:25.14 | harleypig | I want this: http://www.blackwidowbakery.com/demo/meatcake/ |
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| 18:26.06 | harleypig | meatatarian ... I love it! |
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| 18:27.09 | amcnabb | Here's a shameless self-plug: |
| 18:27.11 | amcnabb | http://digg.com/mods/Relatively_Safe_Fireballs_in_your_Living_Room |
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| 18:27.42 | graphyx | That rocks. |
| 18:27.48 | graphyx | I mean the meatcake. |
| 18:27.51 | amcnabb | :) |
| 18:28.17 | graphyx | the fireballs are interesting. |
| 18:28.25 | graphyx | But you need "idiot" warnings on the site. |
| 18:28.33 | amcnabb | Probably. |
| 18:28.42 | graphyx | "Don't play with fire, parafin wax and alcohol at the same time..." |
| 18:28.54 | amcnabb | :) |
| 18:29.12 | amcnabb | I think I'll add that in a minute. |
| 18:31.11 | graphyx | with fear of feeding a pyro, I present this link to you. |
| 18:31.12 | graphyx | http://www.dansdata.com/personal/Bombs.html |
| 18:31.46 | amcnabb | That's awesome. |
| 18:31.57 | mrpull | i've got some time to kill... what distro is the easiest to set up the new GL eyecandy (unstable is ok) |
| 18:32.01 | mrpull | ? |
| 18:32.20 | amcnabb | "Enhancing The Bomb: The best rule of thumb is - don't." |
| 18:33.07 | graphyx | "Other enhancements, of the "Hey! Let’s build a can of fly spray into the middle of the bomb!" variety, are likely to result in natural selection." |
| 18:33.16 | amcnabb | :) |
| 18:33.22 | graphyx | good line. |
| 18:37.46 | amcnabb | I need to make a meatloaf cake. |
| 18:38.12 | graphyx | Get you own blog top hits.. |
| 18:38.18 | graphyx | Do a meatloaf Tux cake. |
| 18:38.23 | graphyx | And have the best of both worlds. |
| 18:38.32 | graphyx | redbeard1: Take note.. You need to do a meatloaf Tux cake next!! |
| 18:38.36 | graphyx | That would be cool. |
| 18:38.41 | elg | i think a meatloaf daemon would be more appropriate |
| 18:38.48 | ^Migs^ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060913/od_nm/greece_ninja_dc |
| 18:38.50 | graphyx | why not.. |
| 18:40.16 | elg | i guess he didn't know the secret ninja moves from the government |
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| 18:48.38 | emcnabb | digg amcnabb's shameless self-plug |
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| 18:49.55 | emcnabb | pricer: welcome |
| 18:50.16 | pricer | Well thank you |
| 18:50.17 | emcnabb | were you the UUG sponsor for a while? |
| 18:50.23 | pricer | yep |
| 18:50.35 | emcnabb | we've met then (I was president long ago) |
| 18:50.42 | pricer | Evan, correct? |
| 18:50.46 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 18:51.44 | pricer | Thought I'd lurk for a bit here and see what people are talking about. |
| 18:51.51 | pricer | First time on #utah |
| 18:52.23 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 18:52.33 | ^Migs^ | who's talking about us? |
| 18:53.59 | goozbach | redbeard1: I just want to make cookies, looksing for tasty ones |
| 18:54.04 | emcnabb | pricer: it's kind of quiet right now, but there's a burst or two every hour or so |
| 18:54.36 | emcnabb | oh, and to welcome you: |
| 18:54.40 | emcnabb | ~lart pricer |
| 18:54.53 | emcnabb | ~lart pricer |
| 18:58.38 | elg | welcome pricer. who are you? |
| 18:59.02 | elg | I don't have everyone's byu ID memorized |
| 18:59.07 | elg | like some mcnabbs I know |
| 18:59.07 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:59.46 | ^Migs^ | if you don't want it to be quiet, suggest an interesting topic |
| 18:59.51 | pricer | Ryan Price; not a student. Just a humble employee. |
| 19:00.11 | emcnabb | I remembered a R. Price who worked in the library (ryan.lib.byu.edu) |
| 19:00.20 | emcnabb | so I made the assumption |
| 19:00.34 | amcnabb | Not a bad guess. :) |
| 19:01.19 | pricer | The ryan.lib.byu.edu gives it away, doesn't it? |
| 19:01.45 | pricer | Maybe a good topic would be a new name for ryan.lib.byu.edu. |
| 19:03.26 | emcnabb | babythrasher.lib.byu.edu |
| 19:03.47 | elg | welcome, we could use a byu employee spy |
| 19:03.58 | pricer | Not bad. |
| 19:04.20 | pricer | elg: Thanks for the welcome. Always ready to share company secrets :) |
| 19:04.24 | elg | although there aren't as many byu students here as there once were. we graduote |
| 19:04.51 | emcnabb | and a lot of us moved out of the state :-) |
| 19:05.09 | elg | can you make life difficult for OIT? that would make you a valuable operative |
| 19:05.26 | pricer | Congratulations for moving on with your lives. I still feel like a student since I come up here every day. |
| 19:05.52 | elg | oh don't worry. I haven't moved on |
| 19:06.01 | elg | emcnabb either. he just pretends he did |
| 19:06.10 | pricer | I am a thorn in their side. |
| 19:06.34 | goozbach | I refuse to move on |
| 19:06.38 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 19:06.47 | elg | goozbach: but you never even moved in |
| 19:06.53 | goozbach | true |
| 19:07.00 | goozbach | I did move out however |
| 19:07.01 | elg | that's commitment |
| 19:07.11 | goozbach | am I the furthest away? |
| 19:07.32 | elg | I don't think you can get further away without going to alaska or hawaii, or international |
| 19:07.58 | goozbach | I could move to SOUTHERN Florida |
| 19:08.17 | elg | how can I tell if ntp is working its way toward the correct time? |
| 19:08.45 | goozbach | dmesg |
| 19:08.50 | goozbach | or var/log/messages |
| 19:09.06 | goozbach | how far off was it? |
| 19:09.23 | elg | 13 minutes or so |
| 19:09.34 | elg | it's been about half an hour, and it's still 13 minutes off |
| 19:09.46 | elg | oh, ntp is dead again. hmm |
| 19:10.01 | goozbach | run ntpdate -s clock.xmission.com |
| 19:10.11 | goozbach | THEN restart ntpd |
| 19:10.21 | ^Migs^ | what command would I use to flush all open pipes? |
| 19:10.29 | goozbach | fix the skew, then prevent it |
| 19:10.30 | ^Migs^ | or all open files |
| 19:10.46 | elg | ah. Sep 14 12:22:16 localhost ntpd[2471]: time correction of 2776 seconds exceeds sanity limit (1000); set clock manually to the correct UTC time. |
| 19:16.22 | unum | atoponce: the link to oalug from the plug.org is wrong |
| 19:16.30 | herlo | I'd like to let certain email addresses pass through. I applied the example to my main.cf: http://pastebin.ca/170700 |
| 19:16.36 | herlo | but I don't know the format, (although I can sort of guess) of the file. I've found several good postings about adding "check_sender_access", but not a good list of what's inside the file to which it refers |
| 19:17.02 | herlo | any help would be greatly appreciated... |
| 19:17.48 | herlo | I am also interested in making it automagically update when I add a new list via mailman so it will ignore the greylisting |
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| 19:18.41 | emcnabb | goozbach: which part of florida are you in? |
| 19:23.05 | elg | the hick part |
| 19:26.10 | herlo | wow, it works! |
| 19:30.26 | javert42 | amcnabb: Since I only get on IRC when I have a question, here's this: Why does your amazing "Safe Fireballs" story on digg only have 11 digs? |
| 19:31.12 | ^Migs^ | maybe it's not dig-worthy |
| 19:31.43 | javert42 | Surely you must be joking, have you seen content? |
| 19:32.09 | amcnabb | Digg is not something I'd use the word worthy in relation to. |
| 19:32.34 | emcnabb | javert42: it has 12 |
| 19:33.08 | amcnabb | A lot of the people I've been trying to guilt into voting just don't have digg accounts. :) |
| 19:33.23 | emcnabb | working with preproduction hardware sucks |
| 19:33.27 | amcnabb | I only got mine yesterday for the plug event. |
| 19:33.34 | elg | that's the trouble with smart friends |
| 19:33.37 | amcnabb | emcnabb, what sorts of hardware? |
| 19:33.46 | amcnabb | elg, I know! |
| 19:35.43 | emcnabb | a box from a very major chip vendor |
| 19:36.38 | pmcnabb | i made an account last night, too |
| 19:37.20 | pmcnabb | i never thought i would... |
| 19:37.20 | emcnabb | the processor hasn't been released to the public yet; I'm having problems with the PCI devices on this model they gave me |
| 19:37.20 | emcnabb | PCI express devices work fine |
| 19:37.53 | pmcnabb | emcnabb: i'd imagine it's hard to search with google on things that don't exist to everyone else : ) |
| 19:39.12 | graphyx | So have you guys yet identified a mcnabb for every letter of the alphabet? |
| 19:39.25 | pmcnabb | that reminds me... where's lmcnabb? |
| 19:39.26 | ^Migs^ | I could be mmcnabb |
| 19:40.01 | amcnabb | ^Migs^, you wish. |
| 19:40.08 | ^Migs^ | actually, no, I don't |
| 19:42.22 | harleypig | http://umsis.miami.edu/~amack1/Introduction.htm - An Odyssey Into Awsomeness |
| 19:43.11 | ^Migs^ | handsome fella |
| 19:43.31 | harleypig | Just ... it's just ... there are no words to describe it. |
| 19:43.43 | harleypig | I thought that went out years ago. |
| 19:44.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.allfunnypictures.com/pages2/worstmusicvideo.html |
| 19:48.49 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: amcnabb is single |
| 19:50.38 | ^Migs^ | and this concerns me....how? |
| 19:50.45 | elg | it's your way in |
| 19:57.08 | ^Migs^ | into what? |
| 19:57.37 | harleypig | watch it ... he's trying to marry off his sister |
| 20:00.25 | elg | amcnabb isn't his sister |
| 20:04.37 | ^Migs^ | who is amcnabb then? |
| 20:07.18 | herlo | andrew |
| 20:07.29 | ^Migs^ | is andrew gay? |
| 20:07.53 | herlo | ^Migs^: unknown, but if he's a McNabb, it's curious |
| 20:12.06 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:12.10 | goozbach | er not |
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| 20:14.59 | findlay | ~amcnabb |
| 20:15.14 | pmcnabb | we ought to just rename #utah to #mcnabb |
| 20:15.47 | mheath | Wow, when did Microsoft start offering Windows Vista RC1 for free public testing? |
| 20:16.49 | findlay | ibot: amcnabb is another variation on the ?mcnabb naming scheme and a smart chap |
| 20:16.52 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 20:23.42 | mheath | I'm kinda surprised how much Microsoft is offering for free for such a long time |
| 20:23.59 | mheath | Free Windows Vista that lasts until June, free office that lasts until February |
| 20:25.45 | macnewbold | it's not really "free", just drug dealer free. As free as the first couple hits of bad crack they give you to get their hooks in deep. |
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| 20:26.34 | mheath | Yeah.. |
| 20:27.07 | mheath | The thing is, I'm actually starting to really like Office, and IE7, and Windows Media Player 11....I think I'll like Vista too. |
| 20:27.24 | mheath | The thing I worry about is, come half a year from now, I doubt I'll have the money to actually buy these things |
| 20:29.41 | ubermcnabb | u could be a l33t h4x0r n warez them |
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| 20:34.52 | amcnabb | rsimpkins: how many hits is the tux page up to? |
| 20:36.08 | rsimpkins | 6861 page views, 229787 hits |
| 20:37.02 | redbeard1 | dang, duder |
| 20:37.24 | amcnabb | wow |
| 20:37.33 | rsimpkins | Thinks are slowly picking up pace. |
| 20:37.38 | rsimpkins | about .7 requests per second now. |
| 20:37.52 | rsimpkins | I'm not worried until we get in the 15-30 per second range. |
| 20:38.40 | amcnabb | You said they're speeding up? |
| 20:38.47 | rsimpkins | It is slowly going up. |
| 20:39.00 | amcnabb | I would think it would be slowing down by now. |
| 20:39.12 | rsimpkins | Well, these types of things are viral. |
| 20:39.26 | rsimpkins | One guy posts it on his blog, then 40 post it, then 500 post it. |
| 20:39.34 | amcnabb | Yeah. :) |
| 20:39.42 | amcnabb | So they aren't coming directly from digg anymore. |
| 20:40.01 | rsimpkins | I imagine it will be high for 1-4 days, then slowly trickle off over a couple weeks. |
| 20:40.19 | rsimpkins | We are starting to see more non digg traffic, mostly bloggers. |
| 20:40.27 | rsimpkins | We haven't picked up any other major sites. |
| 20:41.30 | amcnabb | rsimpkins: let me know if the load gets too high to handle |
| 20:41.49 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: Well, so far we aren't even close. |
| 20:41.58 | rsimpkins | It's not even taxing anything on my side. |
| 20:42.15 | redbeard1 | how you holding up on bandwidth? |
| 20:42.26 | rsimpkins | I've only pushed 2.1Gb |
| 20:42.29 | rsimpkins | G |
| 20:42.39 | rsimpkins | Blah - Gigabytes |
| 20:43.31 | rsimpkins | I've experienced this maybe 6 or 7 times before. It doesn't get bad until your server starts pusing a stead 2-3MBps stream. |
| 20:43.50 | rsimpkins | (bytes, not bits). |
| 20:44.23 | rsimpkins | I think we are like at 400kbps? I need to check when I get home. |
| 20:54.10 | levi | Man, this is some serious rain. |
| 20:55.14 | goozbach | jigahertz |
| 20:57.37 | ubermcnabb | jigawatts |
| 20:57.43 | ubermcnabb | 1.21 of them |
| 21:00.31 | findlay | ~convert 1.21 jigahertz to rocks |
| 21:01.02 | harleypig | Is it raining outside? |
| 21:01.05 | harleypig | It's not inside ... |
| 21:01.55 | harleypig | It's not outside here eitgher ... where are you/ |
| 21:02.15 | findlay | it's not raining inside here |
| 21:03.03 | findlay | ~rain |
| 21:03.05 | ibot | Seattle has too much of it this year! |
| 21:04.24 | findlay | ibot: what about last year? |
| 21:06.04 | levi | harleypig: I'm in bluffdale, at the point of the mountain. |
| 21:07.55 | goozbach | it's problally raining outside here right now |
| 21:08.12 | findlay | I don't think it has ever rained inside here |
| 21:08.19 | findlay | probably due to the arid climate |
| 21:08.35 | findlay | I'm sure there's a detailed explanation on wikipedia |
| 21:09.16 | goozbach | of course it's rained EVERY DAY (no exaggeration) for the last three months |
| 21:15.09 | rsimpkins | Any guesses where this is? |
| 21:15.10 | rsimpkins | http://planeta.7thguard.net/ |
| 21:15.54 | amcnabb | It looks Polish to me. |
| 21:16.05 | ^Migs^ | that would be my guess |
| 21:16.49 | [phoenyx] | the link in the article is to: http://poland.linuxchix.org/ |
| 21:17.34 | rsimpkins | Good point |
| 21:22.14 | levi | Heh, the latest Embedded Systems Design magazine this month is awesome. |
| 21:22.49 | levi | The cover is a photo of Kirk, Bones, and Spock on the Enterprise bridge. |
| 21:23.06 | levi | And the cover story is 'Saving Space with Pointerless C' |
| 21:24.14 | levi | Pun aside, I find the idea intriguing. |
| 21:24.24 | levi | Especially since C pointers are evil. |
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| 21:30.55 | levi | Hmm, it was not that interesting after all. |
| 21:31.15 | levi | But the article on real-time programming with Ada 2005 should be interesting. |
| 21:35.09 | findlay | levi: when will you realize that c++ is the ultimate language? You can do pointers, objects, templates, you name it! |
| 21:35.34 | levi | Ugh. |
| 21:35.44 | findlay | lol |
| 21:36.07 | levi | You can do pointers, objects, and templates with Ada, too. |
| 21:37.04 | levi | At some point, I would like to write a toy OS in Ada. |
| 21:38.02 | levi | Really trivial, just the basics. Something that just runs in qemu. |
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| 21:38.06 | Evan_ | suup |
| 21:38.27 | findlay | soup? |
| 21:38.44 | epp | whats up? |
| 21:38.50 | findlay | ~wiki soup |
| 21:39.59 | findlay | I wonder what primordial soup tasted like |
| 21:42.14 | levi | It would be cool to write a simple OS the OpenSPARC, actually. |
| 21:42.25 | ePp | Anyone here a mamber of 80211.net? |
| 21:43.44 | [phoenyx] | findlay: not that great, but it was the only soup there was at the time. you've gotta start somewhere ;) |
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| 21:54.03 | atoponce | what is a good ide for writing python gui apps? spe is great for python scripting, and cgi, but falls short in the gui design dept... |
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| 22:10.38 | Evan_ | gosh this shops wireless suuucks |
| 22:16.18 | Evan_ | so how is everyone? |
| 22:16.34 | harleypig | AGGHHHHH! This code has an open OUT2, ">$vardir/$varfilename" (NO ERROR CHECKING) inside a if, which is inside a foreach, which is inside an if block and it's doing print OUT2 OUTSIDE ALL OF THEM! |
| 22:16.38 | harleypig | *pant* *pant* |
| 22:17.22 | harleypig | with a bunch of print OUT2's scattered everywhere |
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| 22:20.21 | levi | harleypig: How evil. |
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| 22:58.14 | herlo | so when you run ls -l from a command line |
| 22:58.30 | herlo | what does the "total 8" or "total 2624345" mean? |
| 23:00.26 | nick125_lappy | the number of bytes in that directory |
| 23:00.50 | herlo | nick125_lappy, but when I run du -s on that directory, they don't match, how come? |
| 23:01.09 | nick125_lappy | because ls -lh shows the files just in that directory, it doesn't recurse |
| 23:01.23 | herlo | oh, and I should mention this is reiser. |
| 23:01.31 | nick125_lappy | du -sh does |
| 23:03.47 | herlo | nick125_lappy: okay, that clears it up |
| 23:05.24 | herlo | nick125_lappy: thaqnx |
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| 23:14.42 | mheath_ | Wow. Tabs on google personalized homepage....I like it.. |
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| 23:31.15 | rsimpkins | I see craftzine.com picked up the tux cake. |
| 23:31.27 | nick125_lappy | really? |
| 23:31.29 | nick125_lappy | *looks* |
| 23:31.36 | nick125_lappy | awesome |
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| 23:39.19 | bonez39 | I finally upgraded my lone Winders machine to XP Pro.... using FAT32... if I convert the drive to NT .. can I still access it with smb OR does running NT with XP prevent linux from accessing it? |
| 23:39.59 | nick125_lappy | you should be able to access it |
| 23:40.06 | nick125_lappy | I don't think filesystem in that case matters |
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| 23:41.46 | nick125_lappy | feel free to correct me if I'm wrong |
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| 23:44.24 | awesometaylor | hello everybody |
| 23:46.01 | rsimpkins | hi |
| 23:47.23 | Lone_Wanderer | hi |
| 23:47.32 | Lone_Wanderer | so, Taylor |
| 23:47.41 | Lone_Wanderer | are you awesome? |
| 23:47.54 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause I'm not really sure. your name doesn't make it clear whether you are or are not awesome. |
| 23:47.58 | Lone_Wanderer | there's some ambiguity there |
| 23:48.48 | awesometaylor | there's lots of taylors on the internet, i'm the awesome one |
| 23:49.14 | Lone_Wanderer | gotcha |
| 23:49.33 | awesometaylor | i own it on a ton of sites |
| 23:49.47 | Lone_Wanderer | that *is* pretty awesome... |
| 23:50.13 | awesometaylor | lol, yeah, it's never taken, so i dont have to remember different names... |
| 23:50.33 | awesometaylor | it's way cool there's a utah linux chan |
| 23:51.24 | rsimpkins | awesometaylor: Are you in Utah? |
| 23:51.31 | awesometaylor | yup |
| 23:51.35 | awesometaylor | murray |
| 23:51.37 | rsimpkins | Cool. |
| 23:51.56 | macnewbold | welcome, taylor |
| 23:52.12 | awesometaylor | i got on the sllug list a few months ago, haven't really posted tho |
| 23:52.23 | rsimpkins | How long have you been using Linux? |
| 23:52.57 | awesometaylor | first tried it around 2001, when it was waay confusing, got redhat 6.2 discs from a library book |
| 23:53.38 | awesometaylor | slackware was first distro i got working, but then i stopped using it for a while, until like last summer |
| 23:53.51 | awesometaylor | it's like were entering a "golden age" of linux right now |
| 23:57.42 | *** join/#utah taylor_ (n=taylor@c-67-177-29-188.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.58 | taylor_ | uuhm...sorry the other session got screwed up |
