| 00:13.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I've been installing almost everything as root... |
| 00:14.07 | Lone_Wanderer | is that the way it should be, or are some things designed to be installed as the user that's going to be using them? |
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| 02:18.46 | tensai | redbeard2: I'm trying a variation of your apple crisp. I have a feeling it'll be nicely gooey. |
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| 02:54.23 | Sargun | Call: 800.927.0917 and go to extension 666 pin: 1010 |
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| 03:47.19 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 03:50.00 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 03:52.06 | levi_home | Man, I've got a nasty headache. |
| 03:52.19 | levi_home | Maybe I should find a chiropractor... ;) |
| 03:52.20 | elg | take two placebo pills and call me in the morning |
| 04:01.12 | levi_home | So, I got breadth-first search of the 8-puzzle done in OCaml. |
| 04:01.54 | levi_home | It'll take some work to port it to F#, though. F# doesn't have the OCaml standard library implemented. |
| 04:02.23 | levi_home | I've found that most .net languages have C# showing through pretty strongly. Boo was especially bad that way. |
| 04:03.31 | levi_home | It looks like Python on the surface, but it's really C# with a different syntax and some extra cleverness. Which is a good thing, really, but not what I wanted. |
| 04:03.49 | elg | i've had a similar experience. snd is a sound editor that supports heavy scripting in scheme |
| 04:03.53 | elg | someone ported it to be scriptable in ruby, too (compile-time option) |
| 04:04.07 | elg | but that flavor of ruby is basically scheme with ruby syntax |
| 04:04.14 | elg | not really "ruby" |
| 04:04.20 | levi_home | Yeah. |
| 04:04.32 | levi_home | Boo doesn't claim to be Python, just easier to type than C#. |
| 04:05.30 | levi_home | F# is really close to OCaml, on the other hand. It's just that it makes you use .net libraries for some things that are in the OCaml standard library. |
| 04:05.47 | elg | it was really embedding the ruby interpreter, so you could do whatever you wanted, but the API was decidedly schemey |
| 04:06.27 | levi_home | The style is all OCaml, which is really nice, but the fact that they didn't port all the standard library was disappointing. |
| 04:10.47 | levi_home | OCaml is a nifty language, but the syntax is kind of tricky. |
| 04:35.47 | findlay | because it's a bolted-together language like c++ |
| 04:36.01 | findlay | or perl? |
| 04:37.59 | levi_home | It's not really like either of them. |
| 04:38.16 | levi_home | It has some quirks that are all its own. |
| 04:38.51 | findlay | but as a computer language it's heterogenous? |
| 04:40.31 | levi_home | Did you perhaps mean heterogeneous? |
| 04:40.47 | levi_home | Heterogenous is a word, but with a rather different meaning. |
| 04:42.03 | levi_home | If you mean heterogeneous as in having relevant syntactic entities besides parentheses, then yes. |
| 04:47.19 | levi_home | Dang it, the type 'a ref is not compatible with the type obj. |
| 04:47.48 | levi_home | Apparently I need to make this thing an object instead of a record to satisy F#. |
| 04:49.26 | findlay | probably so |
| 04:52.24 | levi_home | Arg! |
| 04:53.30 | findlay | arg bang? |
| 05:42.42 | levi_home | Woo! |
| 05:42.48 | levi_home | I figured it out, finally. |
| 05:43.11 | levi_home | F# has 'box' and 'unbox' functions to wrap a value in a System.Object instance. |
| 06:04.22 | levi_home | Whoa, Steve Irwin died. |
| 06:04.43 | levi_home | Playing with deadly animals finally caught up with him. |
| 06:06.38 | levi_home | Got done in by a stingray. |
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| 06:47.15 | rsimpkins | Anyone awake? |
| 06:59.55 | Tene | yeah |
| 07:00.57 | rsimpkins | I was just shocked/saddend about Steve Irwin. |
| 07:01.15 | Tene | Why, you know him? |
| 07:01.33 | rsimpkins | Just through his shows. |
| 07:01.39 | rsimpkins | I really enjoyed his work. |
| 07:01.49 | Tene | you... uh... ever met him? know anyone who knows him? |
| 07:02.02 | rsimpkins | No. just a fan. |
| 07:02.39 | Tene | I should probably shut up for a while then. If I speak on the subject, I'll offend someone. |
| 07:02.42 | rsimpkins | He has done a lot to help animals and bring some recognition to some that really needed it. |
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| 07:10.12 | nick125_lappy | I got a question: is evaling *anything* from GET/POSt a bad idea? |
| 07:10.42 | Tene | If I understand what you're asking, the answer is yes, very. |
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| 07:16.47 | nick125_lappy | doing, for example, if I'm thinking right, doing eval($POST) |
| 07:17.42 | nick125_lappy | or however PHP does POST |
| 07:18.07 | Tene | Yeah... that's... stupid. |
| 07:18.10 | Tene | In a bad way. |
| 07:18.28 | nick125_lappy | its entirely unsecure because they can do blah.com/heh.php?value=heh);$mysql_cursor("DROP * FROM TABLE"); |
| 07:18.56 | nick125_lappy | thats just a rough example |
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| 08:42.55 | harleypig | get off ... the ... nuclear warhead |
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| 14:06.05 | atoponce | steve "the crocodile hunter" irwin is dead. sting ray barb to the chest. |
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| 14:33.45 | graphyx | ~lart elg |
| 14:33.59 | graphyx | ibot, some times you got to take things into your own hands. |
| 14:40.06 | elg | oh I am so sick of the power going out |
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| 14:40.58 | elg | oh, that time it wasn't the power, just the network connection and it confused poor brac |
| 14:41.10 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 14:42.04 | graphyx | -lart elg |
| 14:42.15 | graphyx | how are you doing hans? |
| 14:42.36 | elg | pretty good |
| 14:43.01 | elg | except i just can't get this line dancing down |
| 14:44.41 | graphyx | So you were trying to line dance upon the grace of tensai's ancestors? |
| 14:45.15 | redbeard2 | elg: why are you line dancing? |
| 14:45.33 | redbeard2 | line dancing is the dance of the devil |
| 14:46.30 | graphyx | are you baptist? |
| 14:46.40 | redbeard2 | i don't think all dancing is evil. the polka is quite jovial. |
| 14:47.11 | findlay | OK, I'll grant you the polka but everything else is against my political philosophy |
| 14:50.03 | elg | you won't catch me line dancing |
| 14:50.03 | elg | evar |
| 14:50.12 | redbeard2 | ev-ar? |
| 14:52.57 | redbeard2 | whoa! |
| 14:53.04 | redbeard2 | they just opened an automat in new york! |
| 14:53.15 | redbeard2 | that's what we need in utah, is an automat |
| 14:53.21 | graphyx | what's an automat? |
| 14:53.34 | redbeard2 | graphyx: did you ever see dark city? |
| 14:53.49 | graphyx | no |
| 14:53.53 | redbeard2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat |
| 14:54.22 | redbeard2 | it's like a vending machine, except it's built into the wall, and there's a real kitchen in the back keeping it stocked |
| 14:54.49 | graphyx | Oh.. |
| 14:54.49 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 14:54.55 | graphyx | So you see what you are getting before paying for it. |
| 14:54.57 | graphyx | Interesting. |
| 14:55.00 | redbeard2 | they sell hot and cold foods, and hot foods have a timer... if nobody buys it in 15 minutes, they toss it |
| 14:55.03 | graphyx | But hard to get really fresh pasta. |
| 14:55.09 | graphyx | Ahh.. |
| 14:55.11 | graphyx | that makes sens. |
| 14:55.50 | redbeard2 | so you still get pretty fresh food |
| 14:55.54 | graphyx | yeah |
| 14:56.12 | redbeard2 | they had things like mac & cheese croquettes, pb&j empanadas and even spam sushi |
| 14:56.29 | redbeard2 | not that i would buy spam sushi, mind you. but it's still cool. |
| 14:57.23 | redbeard2 | the place is called BAMN! |
| 14:58.36 | graphyx | spam sushi? |
| 14:58.38 | graphyx | Is that legal? |
| 14:59.20 | redbeard2 | it's actually common in hawaii |
| 14:59.28 | redbeard2 | buncha weirdos |
| 15:00.06 | redbeard2 | oh, and steve irwin died. |
| 15:00.15 | redbeard2 | i'm outta here, bbiab |
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| 16:16.44 | elg | sigh. my eternal war with crond on this box continues |
| 16:16.57 | elg | I finally got the stupid thing to start on boot, but it's not running my @reboot rules |
| 16:20.10 | elg | ah. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=99160 |
| 16:23.48 | elg | any advice? |
| 16:23.57 | elg | and remember I'm a cheapskate |
| 16:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | $80-$100 cheap enough? |
| 16:24.40 | elg | probably, though I'd prefer $50ish |
| 16:24.52 | elg | well, I'd _prefer_ free |
| 16:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pushing it ;) |
| 16:24.59 | elg | anyone want to donate one? :) |
| 16:26.41 | byronc | elg: I've been pretty happy with this one: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=171837 |
| 16:27.06 | byronc | elg: It keeps the SLUG and its drive up for at least 1.5 hours. |
| 16:27.30 | byronc | elg: Probably longer, but I haven't had a longer power outage to test with. |
| 16:27.38 | elg | so it would handle two PCs (no monitor) for 20 sec to 5 min eh? |
| 16:27.59 | byronc | elg: should do that |
| 16:34.38 | elg | think I can find that model locally? |
| 16:36.35 | byronc | I had to order it online |
| 16:39.11 | maquis | ~mourn crocodile man |
| 16:39.23 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for crocodile man |
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| 17:20.31 | maquis | i've currently got a wireless network (not created by me), a computer without a wireless card, and a wireless router. is it possible to use the router backwards to get wired internet to the computer without the wireless card? |
| 17:22.04 | elg | sometimes |
| 17:22.13 | elg | I was able to do it with my buffalo, but only with openwrt firmware |
| 17:22.22 | maquis | elg: ok |
| 17:22.33 | elg | iow it depends on your wireless router |
| 17:22.39 | maquis | i think one of my routers supports openwrt, but i haven't done anything with that yet |
| 17:22.41 | elg | does it say it can do client mode? if so you should be set |
| 17:22.54 | maquis | ok... i'll look into that |
| 17:22.56 | maquis | thanks |
| 17:23.12 | elg | if not, check for repeating |
| 17:23.24 | elg | but repeating may or may not work, even if both supposedly supports it |
| 17:25.38 | maquis | elg: cool |
| 17:25.40 | maquis | thx |
| 18:13.39 | levi_home | I see everyone has already been informed that the Croc Hunter dude died. |
| 18:16.12 | levi_home | He spent all that time playing with crocodiles and sharks and stuff, and it was a stupid stingray that finally killed him. |
| 18:17.18 | Sargun | goozbach, hey. |
| 18:17.44 | Sargun | maquis, yeah. |
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| 19:01.05 | maquis | levi_home: that's actually funny :) |
| 19:01.11 | maquis | the way you say that, at least |
| 19:01.59 | levi_home | Yay, my breadth-first search 8-puzzle solver works. |
| 19:02.20 | maquis | levi_home: i got my universal machine to do something when i started playing with it the other day |
| 19:02.28 | maquis | i don't think it's what it's supposed to do, though |
| 19:02.34 | levi_home | maquis: Heh. What did it do? |
| 19:03.10 | levi_home | If it spat out a bunch of binary data, it was possibly working correctly. |
| 19:03.14 | maquis | no |
| 19:03.22 | maquis | let me run it and get it again |
| 19:03.26 | maquis | it just printed out one thing |
| 19:04.12 | levi_home | I think there may be a bit of self-test stuff at the beginning. |
| 19:04.20 | maquis | [amon-re icfp-contest] machine sandmark.umz |
| 19:04.21 | maquis | LOADPROG off (high) |
| 19:04.39 | maquis | it says that for both of the umz files |
| 19:04.50 | levi_home | Huh. |
| 19:07.50 | maquis | that was my response too |
| 19:09.21 | levi_home | Looks like you've got a bug somewhere. :) |
| 19:11.21 | maquis | yeah |
| 19:11.24 | maquis | i just don't know where :) |
| 19:11.30 | maquis | it's not very descriptive :) |
| 19:11.43 | maquis | i suppose i'll check the program-loading again... |
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| 19:11.56 | levi_home | The first line that sandmark should output talks about trying to allocate an array of size 0 |
| 19:12.23 | maquis | i get this message from sandmark and from codex |
| 19:12.56 | levi_home | It must be part of some initial sanity checking stuff in both programs. |
| 19:13.51 | maquis | yeah |
| 19:14.05 | maquis | i know that my output section works fine, though :) |
| 19:15.10 | levi_home | Yow, that puzzle took 18 moves to solve, which caused 223531 nodes to be expanded. |
| 19:15.17 | maquis | wow |
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| 19:27.06 | elg | belkin's website doesn't even say what the ups type is |
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| 20:05.22 | levi_home | Man, interfacing with the .net api is infuriating. |
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| 20:32.59 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 20:33.08 | elg | i have a headache and it's all his faul |
| 20:42.10 | levi_home | Why's it his fault? |
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| 20:43.08 | SpecialK | required authentication? |
| 20:43.15 | SpecialK | since when |
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| 21:01.18 | elg | he was sick. he got me sick |
| 21:04.40 | elg | sweet, debian has forked cdrtools |
| 21:21.57 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 21:33.10 | levi_home | How lame. The .net library doesn't include a priority queue. |
| 21:52.08 | elg | what does .net need a pq for? |
| 21:52.31 | elg | why would you need a PQ to do the sort of thing you do with .net? |
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| 23:00.29 | dilvie | hi |
| 23:22.29 | findlay | hello |
| 23:22.52 | findlay | ~duck elg |
| 23:23.01 | ibot | ACTION gives elg a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels elg with it's big white wings. |
| 23:27.57 | Supaplex | hey dilvie |
| 23:36.31 | Sargun | ibot cusses alot. |
| 23:45.07 | Sargun | ping |
| 23:49.38 | findlay | is there a way to force traffic through a certain interface? |
| 23:49.47 | findlay | do I have to use iptables? |
| 23:54.38 | Sargun | findlay, um, the easy way or the hard way? |
| 23:54.45 | Sargun | findlay, what distro? |
| 23:55.39 | Sargun | and is it a local IP or a route? |
| 23:55.43 | Sargun | basically you want to route your traffic? |
| 23:55.52 | Sargun | like 10.0.0.0/24 - eth1 |
| 23:55.56 | Sargun | like 10.0.0.5/24 - eth2 |
| 23:55.58 | Sargun | right? |
| 23:56.06 | Sargun | or am I just babbling? |
| 23:56.13 | Sargun | you can stop me any time. |