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| 00:15.48 | rsimpkins | Okay, question for you all. |
| 00:15.55 | rsimpkins | What are all the possible ways a buisness can use FOSS? |
| 00:16.01 | rsimpkins | desktops, servers, routers, ??? |
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| 00:58.42 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 01:00.48 | elg | -roulette |
| 01:00.48 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 01:03.09 | elg | -rps rock |
| 01:03.09 | brac | paper! I win! |
| 01:03.10 | brac | ~lart elg |
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| 01:17.41 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 01:49.03 | Sargun | hey |
| 01:49.11 | rsimpkins | elg: Are you incredibly busy? |
| 01:49.31 | rsimpkins | or just gone? :) |
| 01:50.28 | elg | huh? |
| 02:04.06 | vontrapp | he just has no terminal |
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| 02:26.14 | findlay | ~hey |
| 02:26.16 | ibot | well, hey is almost for horses |
| 02:53.54 | rsimpkins | ~hay |
| 02:53.55 | ibot | it has been said that hay is what is what troy will roll in (zee of), and also what horses eat |
| 03:03.45 | Tene | ~horses |
| 03:03.46 | Tene | ~horse |
| 03:03.48 | ibot | it has been said that horse is A host is a host from coast to coast, But no one will talk to a host that's close, Unless of course the host that's close is busy, hung, or dead. |
| 03:08.36 | findlay | joy |
| 03:09.26 | findlay | the new freshmen think they are so cool defeaning the whole apartment building with /dev/random catted into their big, stupid stereos |
| 03:16.31 | herlo | ~quantum |
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| 03:17.08 | Tene | ~random |
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| 04:42.02 | findlay | ~wafer |
| 04:42.03 | ibot | i heard wafer is brknsoul's pet cat, mreow |
| 04:42.08 | findlay | ~quantum entanglement |
| 04:45.41 | findlay | ~modnar |
| 04:51.42 | findlay | ~tobi |
| 04:51.43 | ibot | from memory, tobi is ibot backwards |
| 04:51.56 | findlay | at last, ibot knows something |
| 04:52.23 | findlay | ~tnemelgnatne mutnauq |
| 04:53.20 | findlay | ibot: tnemelgnatne mutnauq is should never get here |
| 04:53.22 | ibot | okay, findlay |
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| 04:59.18 | elg | -lart customer "service" |
| 04:59.26 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 04:59.30 | vontrapp | -lart crappy wireless accesss |
| 05:00.30 | findlay | ~lart tral |
| 05:00.37 | findlay | ~lart tral~ |
| 05:04.32 | vontrapp | since when did imdb trailers come in the lamest most inaccessible plugin destroyed way possible?!? |
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| 13:30.54 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 13:31.12 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 13:31.38 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
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| 14:03.36 | goozbach | Blart |
| 14:03.42 | goozbach | ~rlart |
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| 14:12.43 | Sargun | first day of school |
| 14:12.45 | Sargun | er |
| 14:12.49 | Sargun | 10th grade |
| 14:12.52 | Sargun | tommorow |
| 14:13.16 | graphyx | blart? is that supposed to be similar to rlart? |
| 14:13.27 | Sargun | ~blart |
| 14:13.38 | graphyx | flart would be a good one too. a mixture of Flame and lart. |
| 14:13.52 | graphyx | or lame and fart.. either combo works. |
| 14:14.01 | Sargun | its an unimplmented feature, the software designer misunderstood the customer -- as always |
| 14:20.10 | goozbach | http://presentationzen.blogs.com/presentationzen/2006/01/contrasts_in_pr.html |
| 14:20.38 | goozbach | so I've got a presentation on giving effective presentations. |
| 14:20.48 | goozbach | I'm ALL sorts of excited |
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| 14:23.18 | goozbach | http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lainspotting/2006/02/presentation-styles-and-star-wars.html |
| 14:24.40 | graphyx | ok anyone know how/why the smtp EHLO command is related to mail relaying? |
| 14:25.04 | [phoenyx] | a variation on HELO? |
| 14:25.21 | graphyx | It is.. |
| 14:25.39 | graphyx | But it seems that the EHLO indicates something beyond just a start of a transfer. |
| 14:25.53 | graphyx | The rfc is a bit vague believe it or not.. |
| 14:25.58 | jsmith | Well, it tells the mail server where you're claiming to connect from. |
| 14:26.04 | graphyx | Or I just don't know enough to understand it. |
| 14:26.09 | jsmith | Then the mail server may do reverse lookup, etc. |
| 14:26.27 | graphyx | I understand that part of the helo/ehlo command. |
| 14:26.55 | graphyx | in short I am getting an ids alert that someone is attempting a mail relay on my mail server and I wanted to understand how that signature was connected to reality. |
| 14:27.44 | jsmith | Did they send an EHLO claiming to be on a box with your domain? |
| 14:27.50 | graphyx | no. |
| 14:27.58 | graphyx | they sent an ehlo claiming to be stormalert.com |
| 14:28.07 | jsmith | s/tehn/then/ |
| 14:28.12 | graphyx | k |
| 14:28.18 | graphyx | thanks for taking a stab at it. |
| 14:28.54 | jsmith | graphyx: Any IDS worth it's weight in code will tell you why the packet triggered the alert, right? |
| 14:29.04 | graphyx | well. |
| 14:29.34 | graphyx | MCafee's IDS has a proprietary signature set. |
| 14:29.39 | graphyx | And often uses vague descriptions. |
| 14:29.45 | graphyx | Which doesn't really help an analyst. |
| 14:30.00 | graphyx | cause we have to try to reverse engineer it so that we can understand what it is trying to say. |
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| 14:30.52 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.22 | graphyx | Ok any idea why \r or \n would be a signature for smtp mail relaying? |
| 14:31.44 | jsmith | Was it trying to write the "from:" header too early? |
| 14:32.22 | jsmith | Where in the dialog is the remote peer sending this "from:" header? |
| 14:32.24 | graphyx | you understand pcaps ? |
| 14:32.31 | graphyx | The content looked like this. |
| 14:32.58 | graphyx | nvm it didn't copy right. |
| 14:33.30 | graphyx | ............?.0# EHLO stormalert.com\r\n |
| 14:33.32 | graphyx | There it is. |
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| 14:59.10 | elg | I just gave netflix customer "service" a piece of my mind |
| 14:59.55 | goozbach | please elaborate |
| 15:00.16 | elg | so for time and money reasons we cut back to the one at a time plan |
| 15:00.30 | goozbach | ok |
| 15:00.43 | elg | so I looked and didn't see a way to set it up to grab a movie from our queues in an alternating way |
| 15:00.46 | elg | that would be cool. it would have been handy on the 5 at a time plan too |
| 15:01.01 | elg | so I send them an email. never hurts to ask |
| 15:01.34 | elg | I get an irrelevant canned response about how upgrades work, when upgrades take effect, etc. |
| 15:02.12 | elg | I reply "did you even read my question?" |
| 15:03.41 | elg | then I get a real response explaining how it works (which if they read carefully they would have seen that I understood how it works) and saying that there's no way to do it. |
| 15:04.05 | elg | I reply and say thanks, I don't mind a no way to do it answer, I just didn't appreciate an irrelevant canned answer |
| 15:04.39 | goozbach | kurse you redbeard1 |
| 15:04.47 | goozbach | and your frequent blog updates |
| 15:05.07 | goozbach | pointing me into tangents that I shouldnt' be spending my work time reading up on |
| 15:05.34 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.43 | tensai | -lart elg |
| 15:05.50 | elg | he had a flan episode? |
| 15:06.03 | tensai | The Man with a Flan, IIRC |
| 15:06.20 | graphyx | a man, a flan, a canal flanama ! |
| 15:06.26 | tensai | Egg Files II: Man with a Flan |
| 15:07.56 | goozbach | watched it last night I did |
| 15:07.57 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you know, if other people would post frequently, i wouldn't be taking up so much space |
| 15:08.26 | goozbach | I'll post one tonight |
| 15:08.27 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:08.29 | goozbach | how long have I been saying that? |
| 15:08.33 | redbeard1 | so, which post are you referring to? |
| 15:08.38 | redbeard1 | the shrooms? |
| 15:09.00 | goozbach | and the service book |
| 15:09.15 | goozbach | I spent 20 minutes reading about mushroom hunting on wikipedia |
| 15:09.26 | goozbach | then I went and read up on that book |
| 15:10.57 | elg | emcnabb: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/17128934/article.pl |
| 15:11.43 | emcnabb | elg, dumb Aussies? Don't they have anything better to do down there? |
| 15:11.57 | elg | like what? kangaroo tipping? |
| 15:12.16 | emcnabb | I think Kangaroos would tip you |
| 15:13.04 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 15:14.14 | redbeard1 | goozbach: yeah, sorry about that. i was pretty lazy last week, so i'm trying to make up for it. |
| 15:14.35 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:14.48 | goozbach | I've be lazy for the last..... |
| 15:14.53 | goozbach | 20 years |
| 15:14.58 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 15:15.15 | emcnabb | goozbach: I'm going to be in Florida next week |
| 15:15.30 | emcnabb | but not for long |
| 15:16.30 | goozbach | what part? |
| 15:16.44 | goozbach | probally miami |
| 15:16.51 | goozbach | or something like that |
| 15:18.20 | elg | he's going to tallahassee |
| 15:18.31 | elg | bec. that's obviously the place to go |
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| 15:23.14 | goozbach | obviously |
| 15:26.33 | redbeard1 | wife just left the doctor's... baby's heartbeat is in the 140's |
| 15:27.30 | redbeard1 | apparently, that _usually_ means it's a girl |
| 15:27.56 | emcnabb | goozbach: we're going on a cruise; leaving from Ft. Lauderdale (I think) |
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| 15:28.35 | elg | emcnabb: watch out for silver spaceships |
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| 15:29.01 | emcnabb | elg: I haven't seen that movie in years |
| 15:29.24 | graphyx | redbeard1: Why not just get an ultrasound? |
| 15:29.35 | graphyx | elg: What movie is that? |
| 15:29.43 | redbeard1 | graphyx: too early. ultrasound is in 3 weeks. |
| 15:29.56 | redbeard1 | they don't do the ultrasound until week 20 |
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| 15:34.24 | graphyx | redbeard1: Ok. |
| 15:35.18 | redbeard1 | the things you learn when you're almost a parent |
| 15:35.37 | redbeard1 | what scares me are the things i'll learn when i become a parent |
| 15:35.43 | elg | redbeard1: If you bake a loaf of sourdough on labor day it will tell you whether it's a boy or girl. If it's a girl, the sourdough will be less sour. |
| 15:36.17 | redbeard1 | elg: did you just make that up to get me to bake sourdough bread? |
| 15:36.28 | elg | no, not at all. of course not |
| 15:36.30 | elg | I wouldn't do that |
| 15:36.40 | redbeard1 | of course not. |
| 15:37.19 | elg | jsmith: near portsmouth? |
| 15:39.16 | emcnabb | redbeard1: we're only 16 weeks along and we already know the gender |
| 15:39.29 | emcnabb | we had a level 2 ultrasound |
| 15:39.41 | jsmith | elg: Nope -- about 3 hours away -- why? |
| 15:39.47 | elg | wow, I didn't know you were prego emcnabb |
| 15:39.57 | elg | jsmith: that's where my brother's transfering to now |
| 15:40.26 | emcnabb | elg: I'm not, but my wife is :-) |
| 15:40.26 | emcnabb | we're having a baby girl at the beginning of February |
| 15:40.32 | elg | fun |
| 15:40.33 | jsmith | elg: Ah... that's way down south near Norfolk |
| 15:40.51 | jsmith | elg: I'm about halfway between D.C. and Richmond |
| 15:41.03 | emcnabb | jsmith: how are you liking it so far? |
| 15:41.06 | elg | he's in gloucester now (for the next day or so) |
| 15:41.19 | emcnabb | elg: which one? |
| 15:41.19 | jsmith | I see. |
| 15:41.26 | emcnabb | (brother) |
| 15:41.29 | elg | which gloucester? |
| 15:41.36 | emcnabb | brother |
| 15:41.42 | elg | nicholas |
| 15:41.50 | emcnabb | don't know him |
| 15:41.52 | elg | the one on a misssion |
| 15:41.58 | emcnabb | ah, ok |
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| 15:46.02 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Hey - doesn't your state have it's own IRC channel? :P |
| 15:46.17 | graphyx | jsmith: Shall I DoS him? |
| 15:46.27 | emcnabb | graphyx: you don't live in Utah either |
| 15:46.31 | emcnabb | stone him! |
| 15:46.38 | graphyx | rsimpkins: I think you would have to then kick jsmith graphyx tensai elg and a number of others. |
| 15:46.52 | emcnabb | and me... |
| 15:47.01 | emcnabb | please don't kick me! |
| 15:47.03 | graphyx | if you were the enforce the not in utah condition. |
| 15:47.10 | rsimpkins | I know, it's a testimate to how cool #utah is. Once we get 'em - they never want to leave. |
| 15:47.17 | goozbach | I'm in UTAH .... |
| 15:47.22 | goozbach | *shifty eyes* |
| 15:47.22 | graphyx | sometimes. |
| 15:47.44 | goozbach | just look at the ip address of the host I'm connecting from |
| 15:47.49 | graphyx | check mine too. |
| 15:47.53 | goozbach | *shifty eyes again* |
| 15:48.00 | rsimpkins | My IP address is in San Diego! :) |
| 15:48.16 | emcnabb | I've been on #utah for a long time now |
| 15:48.23 | emcnabb | 4 or 5 years now |
| 15:48.26 | rsimpkins | They need to do a modern marvel show about the Internet. |
| 15:48.38 | emcnabb | when I remember when we first passed 20 people |
| 15:49.09 | tensai | I jumped on the day timr announced it to plug. ah, the memories. |
| 15:49.18 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Go eat some prozac-laced jello and calm down... I'm "virtually" in Utah |
| 15:49.45 | graphyx | I've been here for like 2 years now. |
| 15:49.53 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Besides, shouldn't you be working? |
| 15:50.48 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Didn't you know? Harassing you is my JOB! :) I'm on a special task force created by Brandon - "MISSION: GET JSMITH BACK" |
| 15:51.09 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Uh, yeah... that's the way to get me to come back. Uh-huh... |
| 15:51.28 | rsimpkins | jsmith: How are you liking things out there? |
| 15:51.46 | jsmith | rsimpkins: It's going well... |
| 15:51.50 | rsimpkins | Awesome. |
| 15:51.58 | elg | jonathan's new word is gross |
| 15:52.09 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Still fighting the red tape to get my building permit, but other than that it's going well... |
| 15:52.34 | rsimpkins | jsmith: I've heard roumers from others that it's near impossible to build out there. True? |
| 15:52.58 | rsimpkins | Or, it can be very difficult to get permission, etc. |
| 15:53.05 | jsmith | rsimpkins: No, it's not that bad... this particular county just has a lot of regulations -- and the stupid surveyor has really messed up the plats. |
| 15:53.30 | jsmith | I mean, what surveyor doesn't know he's supposed to put an arrow pointing north on the map? |
| 15:53.44 | rsimpkins | hehe. :) |
| 15:53.55 | graphyx | rsimpkins: You working at Omniture? |
| 15:53.56 | rsimpkins | Maybe he is so good - he doesn't need to know directions. |
| 15:54.00 | rsimpkins | graphyx: Yes. |
| 15:54.16 | elg | jsmith: you doing any cool things with your house? |
| 15:54.19 | jsmith | graphyx: Yeah -- I got him hired on right as I left, so I wouldn't feel guilty about leaving. |
| 15:54.23 | graphyx | I got an offer from them (after like 3 months) but my current place offered more. |
| 15:54.36 | rsimpkins | Hey - I hope you all are planning on coming to the next plug meeting! It's going to be a VERY good one. |
| 15:54.49 | jsmith | elg: Yeah -- putting a basement under it, wiring it to the hilt, and getting fiber run to it ;-) |
| 15:54.49 | rsimpkins | graphyx: Where are you at now? |
| 15:55.01 | graphyx | rsimpkins: Acxiom in conway, AR |
| 15:55.10 | elg | cool. ethernet throughout the house for voip phones I assume |
| 15:55.15 | elg | not to mention computers/laptops |
| 15:55.24 | graphyx | jsmith: you feel too much at home in the basement such that you had to build one for your office? |
| 15:55.37 | jsmith | graphyx: Bingo! |
| 15:55.58 | jsmith | Every good programmer needs a dark cold cave to program in. |
| 15:56.06 | graphyx | jsmith: Just don't start posting comments about the evil day star and how cool your monitor tan is going to make you look. |
| 15:56.21 | graphyx | rsimpkins: We don't want to see the scar. |
| 15:56.22 | jsmith | graphyx: I'm not that crazy... |
| 15:56.29 | elg | hmm, what things will I have when I build? |
| 15:56.41 | graphyx | elg: Construction headaches? |
| 15:57.01 | elg | brick oven, various kitchen niceties, ethernet everywhere, projector/sound system |
| 16:04.08 | levi | You'll probably want to wire standard phone jacks, too, just in case you ever want to sell the place. :) |
| 16:04.32 | redbeard1 | standard what? phone jacks? |
| 16:04.34 | redbeard1 | what are those? |
| 16:05.15 | levi | redbeard1, they're what 99.9% of the phone-using public use to connect their telephones to the telephone service. |
| 16:05.55 | redbeard1 | weird |
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| 17:18.25 | redbeard1 | goozbach: sorry man. it's jayce's fault. |
| 17:24.44 | Jayce^ | hunh? |
| 17:28.14 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: goozbach was complaining about me posting too often |
| 17:28.24 | redbeard1 | and then you go and make me post that plug announcement for you |
| 17:28.29 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:39.45 | maquis | i'm BACK! |
| 17:39.49 | maquis | did anyone miss me? |
| 17:40.57 | sontek | you were gone? |
| 17:40.59 | sontek | ;) |
| 17:41.02 | levi | maquis, who are you? ;) |
| 17:41.43 | levi | maquis: You back in WA now, or still in UT? |
| 17:41.48 | maquis | levi: wa |
| 17:41.57 | maquis | i finally have internet access on my own machine again |
| 17:42.02 | levi | Nice. :) |
| 17:42.09 | levi | Welcome back. |
| 17:42.18 | maquis | (i accidentally packed the power cord to my laptop in a box that was getting shipped |
| 17:42.23 | levi | Whoops. |
| 17:42.27 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:42.32 | levi | What kind of assignments did you have in your AI class? |
| 17:42.33 | emcnabb | Your "onramp" to the "Information Super Highway" is back up |
| 17:42.38 | maquis | and i spent a week with relatives that didn't have computer |
| 17:42.45 | maquis | emcnabb: uh... sure :) |
| 17:42.50 | levi | emcnabb, no, it's the internet tubes that have got clogged. |
| 17:43.05 | maquis | levi: AI? we wrote a not-so-successful bzflag bot |
| 17:43.17 | levi | maquis: Is that the only assignment you had? |
| 17:43.41 | maquis | levi: well... there were a bunch of stages, most of which weren't actually used in the final bot |
| 17:43.55 | maquis | but they were all workin with bots in the bzflag environment |
| 17:44.03 | levi | Huh. Interesting. |
| 17:44.09 | levi | No book assignments? |
| 17:44.19 | maquis | there were some basic homework assignments |
| 17:44.50 | emcnabb | levi: I hate it when my AOL Internet is broken |
| 17:44.53 | maquis | most of which involved copying the provided code into MATLAB/Octave, and hitting enter... then taking a screenshot |
| 17:45.02 | levi | Our first assignment is to solve the 8-puzzle with a bunch of different uninformed search mechanisms. |
| 17:45.17 | redbeard1 | maquis: you live! |
| 17:45.28 | maquis | emcnabb: my parents just decded that since aol's system is going free, they might not get rid of it afterall :( |
| 17:45.33 | levi | emcnabb: Or when you get an internet from your staff 3 days late? |
| 17:45.38 | maquis | redbeard1: i think so |
| 17:46.54 | emcnabb | i wish i had a faster internet |
| 17:47.18 | levi | emcnabb: Remember, it's not like a dump truck that you can just dump stuff on. The internet is a series of *tubes*. |
| 17:47.59 | maquis | emcnabb: get a thicker tube? |
| 17:49.38 | goozbach | maquis: wb |
| 17:49.57 | maquis | goozbach: thx |
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| 17:53.39 | redbeard1 | hey goozbach |
| 17:54.00 | goozbach | hey yourself |
| 17:54.24 | redbeard1 | goozbach: sorry, jayce made me post again |
| 17:54.33 | redbeard1 | now you're really gonna have to work to catch up |
| 17:54.41 | goozbach | dang |
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| 18:03.30 | elg | maquis: so you're a graduit now? |
| 18:03.36 | maquis | elg: yup |
| 18:03.40 | maquis | i'm gradumiated |
| 18:03.49 | elg | and now working at amazon? |
| 18:04.17 | maquis | not yet |
| 18:04.22 | maquis | i start near the end of september |
| 18:04.47 | elg | so you're just hacking from your parents' basement now? |
| 18:04.56 | goozbach | tensai: that's a cool quote |
| 18:04.59 | maquis | well... from my bedroom, but yeah :) |
| 18:05.15 | elg | cool. does your mom know you're hacking into the pentagon in your bedroom? |
| 18:05.25 | goozbach | she neglected to mention that her bedroom is in the basement |
| 18:06.27 | maquis | elg: uh... :) |
| 18:06.40 | maquis | i did pick up a copy of 2600 at the bookstore yesterday |
| 18:07.04 | elg | what about your bf? did he move to wa to woo you too? |
| 18:07.38 | maquis | elg: my fiance is still in school til april... so, we're apart for a bit... but planning our wedding :) |
| 18:08.26 | elg | fun. i can't remember if I knew you were engaged. So when he finishes he'll join you in <wherever amazon is> and take up the housekeeping duties, right? |
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| 18:15.14 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org, utos.org |
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| 18:15.25 | maquis | ibot: go away |
| 18:15.26 | ibot | /server irc.rt.ru |
| 18:15.26 | redbeard1 | ibot: wb |
| 18:15.28 | ibot | thx |
| 18:15.55 | goozbach | ibot: leave |
| 18:15.57 | ibot | it has been said that leave is what lazarus should do now |
| 18:15.58 | vontrapp | mmm, cold lasagna or hot? |
| 18:16.42 | graphyx | wps was lazarus? |
| 18:17.17 | maquis | lol |
| 18:17.53 | vontrapp | yay for slow intermittent internet!! |
| 18:18.36 | graphyx | If you keep talking about the internet like that you are going to make it feel bad. |
| 18:18.49 | graphyx | and it will just run home to mommy and stop sharing its toys. |
| 18:19.03 | vontrapp | managed to get 1% of the package that time... |
| 18:19.22 | graphyx | use something that will resume and continuely restart downloads. |
| 18:19.25 | graphyx | Wget will do it. |
| 18:19.26 | vontrapp | Need to get 8921kB of archives. |
| 18:19.32 | vontrapp | and here i can't even get it |
| 18:20.33 | vontrapp | fortunately apt-get resumes |
| 18:20.35 | tensai | vontrapp: the problem is the tubes are filled. the internet isn't just some dump truck you know. |
| 18:20.39 | vontrapp | but i have to manually restart when it freezes |
| 18:20.55 | vontrapp | the problem is my service SUCKS |
| 18:21.00 | graphyx | can't you just use wget to download it to the local apt-get repository? |
| 18:21.04 | jsmith | tensai: It's the Alaska Pipeline of the future! |
| 18:21.46 | tensai | while true; do apt-get -y install libvontrapp; done |
| 18:22.18 | tensai | then just stop it when it works |
| 18:25.18 | vontrapp | past 10%...! |
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| 18:26.07 | vontrapp | wow, got another 8% all at once that tiime |
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| 18:32.09 | graphyx | tensai: lol. |
| 18:32.22 | vontrapp | guh |
| 18:32.30 | vontrapp | what'd i miss? |
| 18:32.40 | graphyx | (1:31:41 PM) ***tensai makes fun of vontrapp while he's gone |
| 18:32.42 | vontrapp | -lart this connection |
| 18:32.50 | vontrapp | i knew it! |
| 18:32.58 | graphyx | ~laugh |
| 18:33.00 | ibot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 18:33.04 | graphyx | ~haha |
| 18:33.06 | ibot | I call that haha |
| 18:33.17 | elg | ~dance |
| 18:33.19 | ibot | well, dance is ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' elive, stayin' elive.. |
| 18:35.05 | vontrapp | even web pages fail to load 60% of the time |
| 18:36.06 | graphyx | ok everyone, point and laugh!! |
| 18:36.56 | elg | ok, little friends, I have a scenario |
| 18:37.15 | elg | I need to set up a way for students in the class i'm TAing to get their grades |
| 18:37.22 | graphyx | ut oh.. big brother comes out to fight. |
| 18:37.37 | elg | the webpage is on the school server |
| 18:37.51 | elg | I can do CGI but have little other control |
| 18:37.54 | elg | no db, etc. |
| 18:38.01 | graphyx | flat files? |
| 18:38.09 | elg | so I'm thinking plain text file, that's no big deal |
| 18:38.23 | jsmith | elg: Encrypted flat file, and have the CGI decrypt it? |
| 18:38.29 | elg | the thing is, I don't want this plain text file just hanging out for everyone to read |
| 18:38.37 | graphyx | Just get everyone who wants to get their grades sign a disclosure that they don't care who sees it |
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| 18:38.50 | graphyx | And then encrypt the file with a password and send the password to everyone's email. |
| 18:38.50 | elg | jsmith: sure but the cgi is still readable... or maybe the cgi just needs to be executable and only readable by me |
| 18:38.53 | graphyx | who signed the agreement. |
| 18:39.22 | elg | graphyx: nah, we're doing username/password will show them their grades |
| 18:39.38 | jsmith | elg: Put each person's grade in a separate flat file, that's encrypted with their public GPG key |
| 18:39.40 | elg | the question is how to handle the flat file without exposing it to snoopers |
| 18:39.57 | jsmith | elg: That way, they learn about GPG! |
| 18:40.00 | elg | jsmith: tempting, but would be more pain than it's worth |
| 18:40.04 | vontrapp | they download and decrypt themselves? |
| 18:40.11 | herlo | jsmith: how's the new house? |
| 18:40.15 | graphyx | can't you get a file readable by the cgi, but not the students? |
| 18:40.15 | elg | however I could encrypt with their password... but that's a pain to maintain all those separate files |
| 18:40.23 | jsmith | elg: Really -- all you have to say is "You can get it this way, or come get it in person" -- they'll do it. |
| 18:40.24 | elg | graphyx: that's the trick |
| 18:40.32 | jsmith | herlo: Still stuck in red tape |
| 18:40.42 | jsmith | herlo: But the weeds are growing nice and tall |
| 18:40.46 | herlo | that sucks...didn't know those details. Where you living... |
| 18:40.46 | graphyx | elg get username/password file and a grade file. |
| 18:40.58 | graphyx | Those files can't be read by the students, but by the script. |
| 18:41.09 | jsmith | herlo: With my wife's great-aunt |
| 18:41.12 | graphyx | Have them put in un/pw check the unpw file to get the student number. |
| 18:41.21 | herlo | jsmith: how long do you think it'll be? |
| 18:41.23 | graphyx | And use the student number to get the grade(s) from the flat file. |
| 18:41.43 | graphyx | I think he just wants you to come back and play carcassonne some more. |
| 18:41.45 | jsmith | herlo: Three, maybe four months... could be as little as two if everything comes together |
| 18:41.58 | jsmith | graphyx: I'd be happy to -- who's buying the plane ticket? |
| 18:42.12 | jsmith | herlo: If you all pitched in, it would only be like $25 each! |
| 18:42.15 | graphyx | same perosn who would be buying it for me. |
| 18:42.21 | graphyx | The person flying. |
| 18:42.29 | jsmith | graphyx: They have airplanes out there? |
| 18:42.42 | herlo | jsmith: that was graphyx |
| 18:42.54 | graphyx | There is even an airport in conway. |
| 18:42.59 | graphyx | For puddle jumpers. |
| 18:43.06 | herlo | graphyx: not buying you a ticket |
| 18:43.12 | jsmith | herlo: What about me! |
| 18:43.21 | herlo | jsmith: we'll see |
| 18:43.40 | herlo | again! |
| 18:44.21 | herlo | what stable version of mysql 5 for centos is there? I can't seem to get it to stay up. |
| 18:44.36 | graphyx | bah.. It wouldn't be worth the plane ticket to play with such an easy crowd. |
| 18:44.37 | herlo | The last uptime for it was just under an hour... |
| 18:44.46 | graphyx | just kiding. |
| 18:44.53 | elg | hmm. you should be able to chgrp a file you own, right? |
| 18:44.55 | herlo | ~smack graphyx |
| 18:44.56 | ibot | ACTION smacks graphyx upside the head. |
| 18:45.10 | herlo | elg: possibly, who you chgrp ing to? |
| 18:45.21 | elg | the webserver's group |
| 18:45.42 | herlo | elg: are you a member of that group? If not, I don't think it works that way... |
| 18:45.43 | elg | website (a silly name for a webserver group, but whatever) |
| 18:45.48 | elg | no, not a member |
| 18:46.01 | herlo | hmm |
| 18:46.32 | jsmith | herlo: Did you check the CentOS Plus repo? I know they have new versions of PHP -- they may have MySQL as well |
| 18:46.51 | herlo | jsmith: did that |
| 18:47.03 | jsmith | And? |
| 18:47.08 | herlo | its too new, 5.0.22, currently using 5.0.18, and both arent working... |
| 18:47.15 | herlo | stability issues |
| 18:47.16 | jsmith | herlo: Why is it failing -- anything in the logs? |
| 18:47.24 | herlo | lots of memory leaks |
| 18:47.28 | herlo | according to the logs |
| 18:47.32 | jsmith | Sounds like MySQL to me. |
| 18:47.40 | jsmith | Just use PostgreSQL and be done with it. |
| 18:47.46 | herlo | I am thinking it could be related to tumgreyspf... |
| 18:48.13 | herlo | jsmith: not sure I can... |
| 18:48.14 | jsmith | A database client should cause the database engine to leak memory |
| 18:48.22 | jsmith | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 18:48.30 | herlo | jsmith: I agree |
| 18:48.32 | jsmith | Unless it's MySQL, and then all bets are off |
| 18:48.36 | herlo | but I can't see any other reason |
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| 18:49.17 | jsmith | Running big queries? |
| 18:49.23 | herlo | jsmith: nope |
| 18:49.28 | jsmith | Tried turning on the long query log? |
| 18:49.48 | herlo | jsmith: running wordpress, mediawiki and coppermine, that's about it |
| 18:49.59 | herlo | jsmith: how to do that? link? |
| 18:50.21 | herlo | jsmith: seems like it should be able to hand all of that... |
| 18:50.29 | jsmith | Should be. |
| 18:50.54 | graphyx | herlo. 4.0 mysql. |
| 18:51.03 | graphyx | in the my.cnf |
| 18:51.06 | graphyx | Put in this line. |
| 18:51.33 | graphyx | log-slow-queries = /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log |
| 18:51.33 | graphyx | long_query_time=1 |
| 18:51.52 | graphyx | can't imagine it changed much for 5.0 |
| 18:52.03 | graphyx | mind you 1 might be too small at first. |
| 18:53.06 | jsmith | Too small? |
| 18:53.10 | jsmith | Is that in seconds? |
| 18:53.13 | graphyx | yes. |
| 18:53.16 | graphyx | I believe. |
| 18:53.34 | jsmith | I can't imagine wordpress or mediawiki having a query last longer than a second |
| 18:56.22 | elg | ah look, they have some sort of suid something or other working because my cgi can read the file that is mode 600 and owned by me. that's easy |
| 18:57.42 | elg | looks like i have to do this in perl. |
| 18:58.30 | herlo | graphyx: yeah, considered |
| 19:00.31 | graphyx | ok |
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| 19:23.30 | vontrapp | i try to save in gnucash and it says unkown file type |
| 19:23.42 | vontrapp | so i guess i have to put an extension, but it doesn't tell me what it should be |
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| 19:24.57 | roving_prole | I seem to remember a program that allows you to share CLI sessions between users, similar to VNC... anyone know what it's called? or am I up in the night? |
| 19:25.08 | macnewbold | roving_prole: I think it is screen |
| 19:25.37 | spr | vontrapp, what version of gnucash? I'm using 2.0 and my main file is spr.2006 |
| 19:25.40 | roving_prole | yeah, I think you might be right |
| 19:25.47 | roving_prole | ok, thanks |
| 19:25.52 | Tene | screen |
| 19:26.04 | Tene | screen -xr |
| 19:26.10 | Tene | you need to set up permissions |
| 19:26.20 | Tene | search the manpage for 'acl' |
| 19:26.37 | roving_prole | ok |
| 19:26.54 | roving_prole | I need to learn/use screen more |
| 19:27.58 | vontrapp | strange, i go to do gnucash --version and it's not even there! |
| 19:28.09 | vontrapp | somehow it got uninstalled after i ran the program |
| 19:28.14 | vontrapp | (which was several days ago |
| 19:28.16 | vontrapp | ) |
| 19:30.58 | Tene | yay! |
| 19:32.36 | vontrapp | 2.0.1 |
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| 19:36.09 | unum | most of fslc uses screen to connect to irc |
| 19:37.56 | Tene | fslc? |
| 19:38.05 | Tene | and screen isn't an IRC client... |
| 19:40.32 | unum | Tene: look at the topic |
| 19:40.38 | unum | screen+irssi |
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| 19:41.50 | Tene | unum: look at what you said |
| 19:41.58 | Tene | "uses screen to connect to irc" |
| 19:42.29 | unum | Tene: sorry I meant screen+irssi |
| 19:42.46 | Tene | s'okay, I shouldn't have said anything anyway |
| 19:53.18 | emcnabb | ~grouphug |
| 19:53.37 | ibot | ACTION hugs everbody and makes it all better... |
| 19:53.53 | Tene | ~emcnabb group hugs |
| 19:54.01 | Tene | aww... |
| 19:54.05 | emcnabb | ~slay Tene |
| 19:54.07 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Tene!" apt lops off Tene's head. |
| 19:54.14 | Tene | ~levi emcnabb |
| 19:54.15 | ibot | ACTION gives emcnabb a hovercraft and then fills it with eels! |
| 19:55.21 | graphyx | ~maquis Tene |
| 19:55.23 | ibot | ACTION breaks Tene just by looking in Tene's direction |
| 19:55.36 | Tene | ~herlo graphyx |
| 19:55.37 | ibot | ACTION pokes graphyx with a sharp needle. |
| 19:55.52 | graphyx | ~sjansen Tene |
| 19:55.53 | ibot | ACTION tells Tene good things about sjansen |
| 19:55.53 | findlay | ~poke Tene |
| 19:55.55 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Tene, pokes Tene repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:56.12 | graphyx | ~ibot findlay |
| 19:56.18 | ibot | methinks findlay is wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock, or ibot is wierd, or asking too much of you, or crazy |
| 19:56.18 | Tene | ~nick125 findlay |
| 19:56.22 | ibot | ACTION puts findlay on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes findlay use Gentoo on there. |
| 19:56.22 | Tene | ~findlay graphyx |
| 19:56.26 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps graphyx. |
| 19:56.29 | Tene | ibot: ibot findlay |
| 19:56.30 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to findlay. |
| 19:56.55 | graphyx | either someone has taken control of ibot or it processes requests via a stack. |
| 19:57.19 | graphyx | ~ibot ibot |
| 19:57.21 | ibot | i heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:57.21 | Tene | ~ibot tene |
| 19:57.23 | ibot | [tene] Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach |
| 19:57.33 | Tene | see, it recognizes "~ibot" as a prefix for commands |
| 19:57.38 | Tene | just like ~ and ibot: |
| 19:57.51 | findlay | ~~ibot ibot |
| 19:57.57 | findlay | ~~ |
| 19:57.58 | ibot | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
| 19:58.05 | findlay | ~~~ |
| 19:58.07 | ibot | I HATE YOU, findlay |
| 19:58.12 | findlay | ~~~~ |
| 19:58.14 | ibot | ARGH!!! STOP IT findlay!!! |
| 19:58.21 | maquis | ~~~~~~ |
| 19:58.22 | ibot | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots maquis in the head three times. |
| 19:58.22 | findlay | ~~~~~ |
| 19:58.24 | ibot | grrrr |
| 19:58.26 | Tene | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 19:58.30 | findlay | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 19:58.31 | maquis | ouch! |
| 19:58.41 | Tene | ibot: ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot |
| 19:58.42 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to ibot ibot ibot ibot. |
| 19:58.45 | maquis | ~ |
| 19:58.47 | Tene | ~~~~ibot |
| 19:58.51 | maquis | ~~ |
| 19:58.53 | ibot | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
| 19:59.00 | maquis | ~~~~~ |
| 19:59.01 | ibot | grrrr |
| 19:59.10 | maquis | ~~~~~~ |
| 19:59.11 | ibot | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots maquis in the head three times. |
| 19:59.20 | maquis | ~~~~~~~ |
| 19:59.22 | ibot | ACTION fires 3 more shots, as the first 3 didn't seem to have much effect. |
| 19:59.28 | maquis | ~~~~~~~~ |
| 19:59.30 | ibot | You know, this got old a long time ago |
| 19:59.30 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 19:59.38 | maquis | ibot: are you sure? |
| 20:00.08 | vontrapp | ok, now that i actually have gnucash installed... how do you make an account automatically add interest? |
| 20:05.29 | graphyx | I think banks are against automatically giving interest on an account. |
| 20:05.46 | Tene | ibot: define treaty |
| 20:05.48 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 20:05.55 | Tene | ~dict treaty |
| 20:07.06 | vontrapp | graphyx: no, how do you make gnucash automatically calculate interest |
| 20:07.28 | graphyx | vontrapp: I was trolling I think. |
| 20:08.01 | graphyx | vontrapp: if by trolling you mean responding in a manner for which you already know the person didn't intend, but in which it could be potentially interpreted. |
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| 20:08.50 | maquis | anyone here have a webcam that works well in linux? |
| 20:08.54 | emcnabb | vontrapp: send me your file and I'll set it for you |
| 20:08.56 | Tene | vontrapp: hire an immigrant to do it for you |
| 20:08.56 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 20:09.33 | vontrapp | you should probably knkow when you troll, lest you unexpectantly troll a troll |
| 20:09.38 | Tene | maquis: does it need to have in-kernel drivers, or just work? |
| 20:09.44 | maquis | Tene: just work |
| 20:09.53 | stuporglue | Turns out we're all using the wrong Linux: http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html |
| 20:09.54 | brac | [Ubuntu Christian Edition: About Ubuntu Christian Edition] |
| 20:10.11 | graphyx | herlo: jsmith-lunch we should set up a pioneers game time and play online? |
| 20:10.13 | maquis | oh dear |
| 20:10.20 | herlo | graphyx: sounds good |
| 20:10.27 | Tene | maquis: I know someone who uses a ps2 eyetoy |
| 20:10.42 | Tene | I know someone else who used... uh... some d-link one, I think? |
| 20:11.02 | Tene | I looked up a model known to work on some website and bought that |
| 20:11.13 | graphyx | what is an eyetoy? |
| 20:11.14 | unum | I think i've seen something like that before |
| 20:11.21 | maquis | Tene: mmk |
| 20:11.44 | Tene | it's a camera attachment for the playstation2 |
| 20:12.01 | graphyx | ok |
| 20:14.21 | mrpull | stuporglue: did you ever see jesux? |
| 20:14.34 | stuporglue | nope |
| 20:14.55 | mrpull | http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ |
| 20:14.56 | brac | [Jesux] |
| 20:15.11 | mrpull | i think it was a joke... but somehow managed to come to life |
| 20:16.00 | stuporglue | wow |
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| 20:16.28 | harleypig | Pronounced hay sooks ?! :D |
| 20:17.18 | stuporglue | My favorite thing from the Christian Ubuntu site is under the "Shipit--Free CDs" link. "The CDs provided by Shipit are standard Ubuntu CDs...Ubuntu Christian Edition can easily be installed using the 'Convert Me' script" |
| 20:17.35 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:18.26 | vontrapp | ibot: convert me! |
| 20:18.41 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 20:18.42 | stuporglue | How can I find out what's happening with a process? I've got a script that might be hung, or just be slow. Can I check the mem/CPU usage for just one process? |
| 20:18.43 | vontrapp | guess ibot doesn't have the convert me script |
| 20:18.52 | stuporglue | poor ibot |
| 20:19.04 | vontrapp | ~convert me to christian |
| 20:19.06 | elg | maybe he was converted and feels it's immoral to hang out on irc |
| 20:19.20 | macnewbold | stuporglue: you on linux? or windows? |
| 20:19.23 | stuporglue | Linux |
| 20:19.27 | macnewbold | oh good |
| 20:19.30 | macnewbold | try top |
| 20:19.38 | macnewbold | or ps |
| 20:19.43 | elg | or immoral to be out in public without knowing whether she's male or femail |
| 20:19.53 | stuporglue | Can I tell top to show me just one proccess? |
| 20:20.12 | macnewbold | yeah, but its easier to find the one you want if you show a bunch of them |
| 20:20.22 | macnewbold | sort by cpu and see if that's it, |
| 20:20.29 | macnewbold | or sort by res or size |
| 20:20.35 | macnewbold | -n sets how many it shwos |
| 20:20.36 | macnewbold | shows |
| 20:21.05 | goozbach | crap |
| 20:21.48 | rsimpkins | If you have a newer top you can sort by PID or filter by user. |
| 20:22.10 | vontrapp | elg: what's this, you show up on irc and leave jabber? |
| 20:22.36 | stuporglue | OK. found it |
| 20:23.07 | vontrapp | -lart zionsbank.com |
| 20:23.21 | stuporglue | macnewbold: found it thanks. seems to have stalled :/ |
| 20:27.01 | elg | huh? I'm on jabber |
| 20:28.40 | findlay | ~jabber elg |
| 20:29.35 | elg | i hate bnf syntax using <> and ::= |
| 20:29.39 | elg | what idiocy. |
| 20:29.52 | findlay | ~Leonard Nemoy++ |
| 20:29.59 | elg | especially on a chalkboard. how much time does the professor waste drawing illegible <> and ::= symbols |
| 20:36.04 | emcnabb | ~whine elg |
| 20:36.05 | ibot | ACTION whines about elg's whining |
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| 20:42.55 | graphyx | From jesux... the "Bourne-Again" shell is already the default; but we like the shell, and we love the name |
| 20:43.35 | stuporglue | :-D My wife wanted me to update her website, and I told her I was too busy today, so she went and figgured it all out herself. |
| 20:43.42 | graphyx | nice. |
| 20:43.44 | graphyx | GOtta love that! |
| 20:44.13 | tensai | ~onjoin _default -wps_ |
| 20:44.13 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 20:44.13 | stuporglue | Funny what happens with a little motivation |
| 21:03.38 | elg | ok, perl monkeys, which CSV module should I use? |
| 21:04.17 | redbeard1 | elg: the good one. |
| 21:04.29 | mrpull | elg... split ;-/ ? |
| 21:05.02 | redbeard1 | is there a DBD::CSV module, i wonder? |
| 21:05.04 | elg | certainly even a language like perl can have a single CSV module that works and works well and is documented |
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| 21:16.55 | Tene | yeah, there's a DBD::CSV oslt |
| 21:17.08 | mrpull | elg: there is a DBD::CSV module, but then you have to use all the DBD conventions |
| 21:17.31 | Tene | yeah, it's called DBD::CSV |
| 21:17.46 | Tene | mrpull: won't you have to use the conventions of whatever module you use? |
| 21:17.57 | Tene | Tie::Handle::CSV |
| 21:18.00 | Tene | Class::CSV |
| 21:18.10 | Tene | Text::CSV::Simple looks good |
| 21:18.25 | Tene | my $parser = Text::CSV::Simple->new; my @data = $parser->read_file($datafile); print @$_ foreach @data; |
| 21:28.47 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, of course there is, but Text::CSV is the best (_XS for speed) |
| 21:29.24 | Tene | Text::CSV::Simple is a wrapper over _xs, fwiw |
| 21:29.59 | mrpull | Tene: yeah... if the scope of the project was small, i'd use <> and split |
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| 21:54.31 | Tene | http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/08/14/202229.shtml?tid=132&tid=129&tid=138 |
| 21:56.56 | jsmith | Why isn't brac telling us the title? |
| 21:56.57 | jsmith | ~lart brac |
| 21:57.06 | jsmith | -lart brac |
| 21:57.21 | jsmith | So brac's alive, just brain-dead |
| 22:11.13 | Tene | -lart brac |
| 22:38.02 | mrpull_ | wahoo... i just bought a Dual Woodcrest Machine... that should be fun |
| 22:38.12 | levi | They are fast. |
| 22:38.34 | levi | Where'd you get it from? |
| 22:38.46 | mrpull_ | Dell |
| 22:39.04 | levi | Nifty. What model? |
| 22:39.16 | mrpull_ | it should be pretty good for browsing the web and checking email. |
| 22:39.26 | levi | I would guess so. |
| 22:39.35 | mrpull_ | Optiplex |
| 22:40.28 | mrpull_ | actually I lied, this one was a Precision 690 |
| 22:40.42 | mrpull_ | 2 Dualcore Xeons |
| 22:41.06 | levi | I have an older Precision 370 as my work PC now. It's pretty nice, but probably rather antiquated next to your Precision 690. :) |
| 22:41.08 | mrpull_ | and two 20" displays |
| 22:41.16 | levi | The Dell 20" is nice. |
| 22:41.41 | mrpull_ | i have the 20 widescreen at home, but opted for 2 standard 20"'ers for work |
| 22:42.59 | mrpull_ | I plan to buy vmware workstation and run a couple VM's too |
| 22:43.25 | mrpull_ | not to mention i'm stuck with it for 3 years, so you'll be laughing at me in a couple years |
| 22:43.56 | levi | No, I'll probably be stuck with my same computers for 3 more years too. ;) |
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| 23:53.38 | herlo | nm, found a good guide, I think http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/AUnix1/alien/ |
| 23:53.39 | brac | [Installing "alien" package converter on Fedora Core] |
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