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| 00:40.12 | Tene | cdrecord just died. Anyone here willing to parse its output for me? I don't understand most of it. |
| 00:41.07 | Tene | http://allalone.org/cdrecord.out |
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| 02:15.02 | rsimpkins | hans: About tonight? |
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| 02:19.11 | Sargun | has spider man 3 come out yet? |
| 02:20.28 | Tene | Nope. |
| 02:21.09 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:22.25 | elg | rsimpkins: are you talking to hans? |
| 02:22.52 | rsimpkins | elg: Was hoping to, yes. |
| 02:23.25 | elg | he's mostly a ghost. just sits there idling and logging #ardour-dev. sometimes I forget and leave him logged on here too |
| 02:25.01 | rsimpkins | I talked with him Monday, and he mentioned he'd get with me last night or tonight. I'm hoping he'll show up. |
| 02:25.28 | elg | (drum roll please) |
| 02:25.30 | elg | he has! |
| 02:26.03 | elg | but I don't know what you've said to hans since our last conversation. I could log into my screen session and find out but I'm too lazy |
| 02:26.52 | rsimpkins | Death threats are surprisingly effective. ;) |
| 02:27.44 | Tene | rsimpkins: I'll kill you inless you retract that statement |
| 02:27.56 | Tene | s/inles/unless/ |
| 02:27.58 | rsimpkins | Tene: I will retract it then. ;) |
| 02:28.07 | Tene | Wow. That was surprisingly effective. |
| 02:37.19 | elg | rsimpkins: so, I am in fact the hans you want to talk to |
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| 03:01.53 | Tene | This is weird. |
| 03:02.23 | Tene | I copied a directory over the network, and du is reporting different sizes on both ends |
| 03:02.32 | Tene | smaller on the destination |
| 03:02.42 | Tene | the output of 'ls -R' is the same on both |
| 03:05.02 | Sargun | Tene, maybe the connection was terminated |
| 03:05.07 | Sargun | or it was corruped |
| 03:09.03 | Sargun | did you use scp? |
| 03:09.07 | Tene | could the issue be a different layout on the disc? |
| 03:09.09 | Tene | Yes, I did. |
| 03:09.34 | Tene | several of these folders have Many Small Files |
| 03:11.42 | Sargun | different block sizes could cause it.. |
| 03:20.10 | nick125_lappy | its quite possible diff block sizes would causeit |
| 03:23.08 | Sargun | shutup nick125_lappy, don't steal my idea :-P |
| 03:24.05 | Tene | ~nick125 Sargun |
| 03:24.08 | ibot | ACTION puts Sargun on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes Sargun use Gentoo on there. |
| 03:24.33 | Sargun | ibot, thats my trademark move! |
| 03:25.36 | Tene | For moving all this data around, I really should have put my laptop on my wired connection |
| 03:26.05 | Sargun | how do you do xen host only networking? |
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| 03:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | What's a good place to buy domains (less GoDaddy) |
| 03:52.42 | Tene | XMission? |
| 03:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I can just arbitrarily buy domains through them without them servicing me as an ISP? |
| 03:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, yup |
| 03:54.47 | rsimpkins | 1&1 is super cheap. |
| 03:54.57 | rsimpkins | 5.99/year I think. |
| 03:55.24 | ScytheBlade1 | GoDaddy is cheap too |
| 03:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But they're also ALL about the "GET THIS TOO" crap |
| 03:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to plug in a name, and then plug in some IPs |
| 03:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Not be offered fourty thousand different things |
| 03:55.53 | Tene | 1and1 Dyndns is an option |
| 03:55.58 | Tene | Heh. |
| 03:56.10 | Tene | I've had bad experiences with other 1and1 stuff |
| 03:56.23 | rsimpkins | I use 1and1, set the name servers to me. my box is running bind with everydns (free dns) as slaves. Works like a champ |
| 03:56.30 | Tene | I registered allalone.org through dyndns |
| 03:56.34 | rsimpkins | That way I have 100% control over my zone files. |
| 03:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, right, I do the same with godaddy currently |
| 03:56.54 | rsimpkins | I don't expect much out of them. |
| 03:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
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| 03:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like I can't just buy a domain through them |
| 03:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to be an existing ISP customer |
| 03:58.10 | rsimpkins | It doesn't look that way to me. |
| 03:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Click the order button |
| 03:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It asks for an existing user and pass |
| 04:08.55 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 04:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 1and1's site is a LOT cleaner |
| 04:10.06 | Tene | don't buy hosting from them, though |
| 04:10.12 | Tene | I strongly recommend against it |
| 04:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no plans of such a thing |
| 04:10.38 | Tene | Just mentioning |
| 04:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, well thanks |
| 04:18.48 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, sonic.net |
| 04:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, too late ;) |
| 04:20.33 | Sargun | what did you buy? |
| 04:20.53 | Sargun | any linode users here? |
| 04:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 1and1 |
| 04:23.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And I was for a bit |
| 04:23.59 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, why are you no longer? |
| 04:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, split it 50/50 with a friend, he decided it had ran it's course |
| 04:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus 4GB of HD storage sucked |
| 04:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | and the gentoo install was on ext3... |
| 04:24.43 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, what did you want, resier? |
| 04:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, yup. |
| 04:24.56 | Sargun | I wonder if we have reiser support |
| 04:25.02 | Sargun | do you have a VPS right now? |
| 04:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:25.20 | Sargun | would you get one if the price was right? |
| 04:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Doubt it |
| 04:25.30 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: ... I'm going to hurt you |
| 04:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I have access to a pair of T1 lines now |
| 04:25.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:25.35 | Sargun | dang. |
| 04:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, word of caution, nick125 here runs his own VPS service |
| 04:25.46 | Sargun | 3 mbit? |
| 04:25.51 | Sargun | LOLAD |
| 04:25.54 | Sargun | ~lmao |
| 04:26.06 | ibot | methinks lmao is laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 04:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Two seperate 1.5mbit lines, with a point to point T1 linking them |
| 04:26.08 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, I own nick125's VPS service. |
| 04:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, lol, irony overwhelming |
| 04:26.36 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: we are co-owners.. |
| 04:26.49 | ScytheBlade1 | And the picture grows funnier |
| 04:26.54 | Sargun | hah |
| 04:27.04 | Sargun | I am the largest stock holder.. |
| 04:27.34 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: and, don't *even* try to say I'm not a owner, because you and I both know that without me, we would have never had the idea, *and*, even if you did, you probably couldn't do it alone.. |
| 04:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Sargun, if you have your own VPS service, why inquire about others? |
| 04:28.13 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:28.22 | Sargun | :-P |
| 04:28.28 | Sargun | uhh |
| 04:30.29 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: PM |
| 04:30.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ? |
| 04:30.30 | Sargun | fighting on enemy territory. |
| 04:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh-huh. |
| 04:41.29 | levi_home | (Why teenagers should never go into business together) |
| 04:43.52 | Sargun | heh |
| 04:44.00 | Sargun | levi_home, we were messing. |
| 04:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still curious as to why you were asking |
| 04:44.31 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, if you had linode right now, I wanted to know why you chose them |
| 04:44.46 | Sargun | so we can get the same sorta services! |
| 04:44.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Word of mouth. After purchase, excessive bandwidth available to me. |
| 04:45.14 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://boredom.brantleyonline.com/?p=25 |
| 04:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That VPN was tunneled to a linode |
| 04:45.49 | Sargun | and what did you lack? |
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| 04:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Pulled 2.something MB/sec from kernel.org. |
| 04:45.54 | Sargun | disk space only? |
| 04:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Being gentoo, additional CPU power would have been a plus |
| 04:46.29 | Sargun | ScytheBlade1, does 150 mhz for 9.99 a month seem good? |
| 04:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's like offering me a piece of crap 1960 car for $10 |
| 04:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Great deal? Sure! |
| 04:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Worth your money? No! |
| 04:47.05 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:47.27 | Sargun | what about a 3.8 Ghz Xeon (burst) |
| 04:47.38 | ScytheBlade1 | linode was burst also |
| 04:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't much matter though |
| 04:48.17 | Sargun | I noticed that gentoo doesn't care much for hertz, but rather for memory |
| 04:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, no, that'd be pretty wrong |
| 04:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Especially considering how one updates gentoo |
| 04:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (Compiling software from scratch...) |
| 04:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't care how high you burst, when you come down to it, you've got 150MHz |
| 04:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | and that just doesn't work |
| 04:50.47 | ScytheBlade1 | The one thing I hated about linode was how well it worked (or didn't) with gentoo (my personal choice of a distro) |
| 04:51.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The one thing I absolutely loved was it's ability to pump insane amounts of data to me in seconds |
| 04:51.22 | elg | anyone got a dns server independent of xmission's that I can query? |
| 04:51.31 | Sargun | 206.13.28.12 = sbc's |
| 04:51.34 | Tene | elg: 166.70.63.3 |
| 04:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | elg: 209.210.176.8 <-- sisna |
| 04:51.58 | elg | thanks |
| 04:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, only in IRC |
| 04:52.09 | Sargun | elg, what are you upto? |
| 04:52.15 | elg | ~nslookup www.cs.nmsu.edu |
| 04:52.46 | elg | it fails, unless you query the cs dept's server directly (by IP) or the university's nameservers |
| 04:52.56 | Sargun | :-( |
| 04:52.59 | Sargun | why? |
| 04:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | elg: http://dnsreport.com/ |
| 04:53.10 | Sargun | didn't register domain? |
| 04:53.12 | elg | dunno. just wanted to make sure it wasn't me or xmission |
| 04:54.19 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:54.27 | Sargun | cs.nmsu.edu doesn't seem to exist |
| 04:54.48 | elg | i don't get it. dnsreport says everything critical is fine |
| 04:55.18 | Sargun | weird... |
| 04:55.26 | elg | host ~$ host cs.nmsu.edu dns1.nmsu.edu |
| 04:55.27 | elg | cs.nmsu.edu |
| 04:55.33 | elg | grr |
| 04:55.34 | elg | stupid iterm |
| 04:55.48 | elg | cs.nmsu.edu A 128.123.64.2 |
| 04:56.40 | Sargun | weird... |
| 04:57.19 | Sargun | Searching for www.cs.nmsu.edu. A record at a.root-servers.net [198.41.0.4]: Got referral to D3.NSTLD.COM. (zone: edu.) [took 6 ms] |
| 04:57.20 | Sargun | Searching for www.cs.nmsu.edu. A record at D3.NSTLD.COM. [192.31.80.32]: Got referral to DNS2.nmsu.edu. (zone: nmsu.edu.) [took 142 ms] |
| 04:57.20 | Sargun | Searching for www.cs.nmsu.edu. A record at DNS2.nmsu.edu. [128.123.2.19]: Got CNAME of prazdroj.cs.nmsu.edu. and referral to cs.cs.nmsu.edu. [took 71 ms] |
| 04:57.20 | Sargun | Searching for prazdroj.cs.nmsu.edu A record at d.root-servers.net [128.8.10.90]: Got referral to D3.NSTLD.COM. (zone: edu.) [took 7 ms] |
| 04:57.22 | Sargun | Searching for prazdroj.cs.nmsu.edu A record at D3.NSTLD.COM. [192.31.80.32]: Got referral to DNS2.nmsu.edu. (zone: nmsu.edu.) [took 138 ms] |
| 04:57.25 | Sargun | Searching for prazdroj.cs.nmsu.edu A record at DNS2.nmsu.edu. [128.123.2.19]: Reports prazdroj.cs.nmsu.edu. [took 78 ms] |
| 04:58.09 | Sargun | a nmsu DNS admin seems to be confused/pissed |
| 04:59.18 | elg | fill me in, I'm not seeing it |
| 04:59.28 | Sargun | they didn't delegate it properly... |
| 04:59.31 | Sargun | it seems |
| 05:00.02 | Sargun | seems fixed now.. |
| 05:00.04 | Sargun | what ever it was |
| 05:00.17 | elg | so it does |
| 05:00.23 | elg | this happened yesterday |
| 05:00.29 | elg | seems like a broken rotation then |
| 05:00.37 | elg | er, a broken server in rotation/load balance |
| 05:01.00 | Sargun | Status: Records DO NOT all match: Results from dns2.nmsu.edu do not match results from dns1.nmsu.edu [TTL varies: 3359 vs 3262]. |
| 05:01.21 | Sargun | Status: Records DO NOT all match: Results from dns2.nmsu.edu do not match results from dns1.nmsu.edu [TTL varies: 893 vs 2877]. |
| 05:01.27 | Sargun | hmm.. |
| 05:01.37 | Sargun | they might be running proxy DNS |
| 05:02.04 | elg | well I've gathered enough for a good bug report. thanks |
| 05:25.31 | findlay | got to love bind |
| 05:42.09 | Sargun | I like bind |
| 05:42.10 | Sargun | ! |
| 05:53.15 | spr | ~praise memcached |
| 05:53.20 | ibot | All hail memcached! |
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| 08:46.20 | Sargun | Anybody know why adobe won't do products on professional OSes (Linux/Unix) |
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| 09:38.03 | bonez39 | is there any channel here devoted to web design? |
| 09:41.23 | Sargun | #web? |
| 09:41.25 | Sargun | #web |
| 09:42.07 | bonez39 | ok.. |
| 09:49.36 | Sargun | whats your question |
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| 13:45.21 | elg | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 13:49.12 | levi | ~elg elg |
| 13:50.04 | levi | Mmm, cheesy grits. |
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| 14:25.21 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 14:25.42 | goozbach | cool |
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| 14:28.26 | scott | any recommendations on shells/web hosts? |
| 14:36.18 | nick125_lappy | scott: I personally like VPSes better then shells (for security reasons, flexibility, etc), but, I might be biased on that ;) |
| 14:36.45 | scott | VPS are a lot more expensive aren't they? |
| 14:36.55 | nick125_lappy | depends |
| 14:37.03 | nick125_lappy | some providers start at around $8 for a VPS |
| 14:37.29 | nick125_lappy | most decent ones are $10 or above |
| 14:37.49 | nick125_lappy | I recommend getting a VPS with xen, and, thats so your provider won't oversell ya |
| 14:38.42 | nick125_lappy | the simple answer would be, yes, they are a little more expensive then a shell account or a shared hosting account |
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| 14:44.38 | tensai | ~lart nat |
| 14:47.42 | redbeard1 | tensai: why did you just do that? what the heck? |
| 14:48.23 | jsmith | tensai: Playing with SIP and NAT again, are we?!? |
| 14:48.25 | tensai | redbeard1: not Nat. NAT. I should have been more clear. |
| 14:49.04 | tensai | jsmith: well, my dislike of NAT spans all manner of protocols. this time it's not involving SIP though. |
| 14:51.05 | redbeard1 | tensai: apology accepted. |
| 14:51.22 | jsmith | tensai: What this time? |
| 14:51.49 | tensai | firewall is doing 1-to-1 NAT. people on the LAN side want to hit the public IP and the firewall gets all confused. |
| 14:55.06 | amcnabb | tensai: that's a pain. |
| 14:55.32 | amcnabb | The way I've dealt with that is to nat traffic from the inside to look like it's coming from the firewall. |
| 14:55.37 | amcnabb | (snat) |
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| 14:55.41 | amcnabb | Then it can find its way back. |
| 14:55.47 | amcnabb | Otherwise I think it's impossible. |
| 14:56.10 | amcnabb | The problem is that your logs get screwed up because everything from the inside looks like it's coming from the firewall. |
| 14:56.42 | amcnabb | I can also recommend having an internal and external view in DNS so that names resolve appropriately according to where you are. |
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| 14:56.56 | amcnabb | In any case, this is just evidence that nat is evil. |
| 14:57.01 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 14:57.26 | elg | i'm late and missed the evidence. but that's ok, I don't need evidence. |
| 14:57.28 | scott | nick125_lappy: can you reccomend one in particular? |
| 14:57.39 | amcnabb | elg, that is, you've already seen tons of evidence |
| 14:57.54 | amcnabb | There's plenty of evidence to go around. |
| 14:58.09 | elg | true |
| 15:00.33 | goozbach | scott: neverblock.com :) |
| 15:02.05 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 15:02.15 | tensai | amcnabb: if this wasn't a sonicwall I might give that a try. we do have some limited split DNS, but our internal DNS server is Microsoft and it's a pain to deal with. |
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| 15:07.10 | amcnabb | tensai, you're only choice is the extra snat, then. |
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| 15:15.33 | tensai | that's awesome. customer calls in because wireless is having poor performance. we sent somebody on sight and there's an 18' trailer right in front of the radio! |
| 15:15.38 | tensai | well, DUH! |
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| 15:23.52 | elg_ | ok, so I have this utah vehicle title that I need to figure out how to sell. it has two sections on the back that are identical except for their titles. A Assignment of Title by Registered Owner, and B Reassignment of Title |
| 15:24.03 | elg_ | what's the difference? which do I use? |
| 15:26.05 | graphyx | use registered. |
| 15:26.13 | graphyx | The Reassignment is for reselling it. |
| 15:26.21 | graphyx | For auto lots. |
| 15:27.45 | elg_ | k |
| 15:27.46 | elg_ | thx |
| 15:27.58 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 15:28.01 | graphyx | no problem. |
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| 15:41.08 | stuporglue | I'm having trouble moving a bunch of files. They are a bunch of PNGs, in recursive directories, and all must be dumped into a thumbnails directory. I was trying this: " for i in `find . -name *png`; do mv $i thumbnails/ ; done ", but it doesn't work because some of my paths have spaces in them. |
| 15:42.35 | rsimpkins | stuporglue: You can do xargs instead of the for loop, which might work better. |
| 15:42.40 | stuporglue | for i in `find . -name *png`; do mv "$i" thumbnails/; done <-- didn't work either |
| 15:42.59 | stuporglue | I'm not familiar with xargs...I'll go look it up though |
| 15:43.02 | rsimpkins | stuporglue: It isn't workign because in a bash 'for' it splits on spaces, not on newlines. |
| 15:43.23 | stuporglue | I thought as much.. |
| 15:45.19 | rsimpkins | There is a pretty close example of what you want to do in the man page. |
| 15:48.59 | stuporglue | ...looking... |
| 15:50.55 | stuporglue | so xargs puts everything that is piped to it at the end of the command? |
| 15:52.56 | graphyx | stuporglue: TRy putting in regex to convert the spaces to being excaped? |
| 15:54.07 | levi | You can temporarily change $IFS to not include a space |
| 15:54.31 | stuporglue | I tried doing: for i in `find . -name *png | sed s/' '/'\ '/g`; do mv "$i" thumbnails/;done, but it didn't work either. When doing just the find/sed, output looked right, but in the for/do/done loop, the files still split |
| 15:54.35 | stuporglue | $IFS? |
| 15:54.42 | rsimpkins | stuporglue: find -type f -print0 | xargs -i -0 echo moving {} to /somedir |
| 15:56.06 | levi | That's probably easier, but I do it infrequently enough that I end up typing 'man find' and 'man xargs' a lot to remember how. |
| 15:56.31 | levi | IFS is the shell's internal field separator variable, which tells it how to break strings into lists. |
| 15:57.01 | stuporglue | rsimpkins: That printed everything correctly, but didn't move them. I didn't see the {} in the xargs man page. Does that expand to everything passed to it? |
| 15:57.44 | levi | Of course running 'echo moving {} to /somedir' isn't going to move anything. |
| 15:58.13 | stuporglue | find . -name *png -print0 | xargs -i -0 mv {} thumbnails/ worked |
| 15:58.18 | levi | You need to change the echo command to a mv command, once you understand how it works. :) |
| 15:59.24 | stuporglue | I think I'm going to like xargs |
| 16:00.11 | rsimpkins | stuporglue: It was an example to show you what it would do, without actually doint it. |
| 16:00.35 | rsimpkins | A hint: ALWAYS test a new command with echo before actually running it. :) |
| 16:00.41 | stuporglue | got that now :-) |
| 16:01.00 | stuporglue | I had already made a backup of these files incase I did something dumb |
| 16:01.07 | stuporglue | thank you |
| 16:01.10 | rsimpkins | I've screwed up more than one system over the years not checking the output because I "just knew" it would work... :) |
| 16:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, deleting /mnt/usb/etc, and naturally, I typed, 'rm -rf /etc' |
| 16:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "Hmm, that was fast.. oh... " |
| 16:05.35 | stuporglue | What I want to know is how people get any work done on Windows without being able to chain together a bunch of commands. |
| 16:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | by installing cygwin ;) |
| 16:06.29 | stuporglue | that's what I have to do |
| 16:07.22 | rsimpkins | stuporglue: There are pipes in DOS I think. |
| 16:07.33 | rsimpkins | And redirects. |
| 16:07.48 | rsimpkins | Just no GNU utilities. ;) |
| 16:08.07 | rsimpkins | You have to pay for that stuff - what is wrong with you? Free software is BAD! Must PAY! Money is GOOOOOOOOD. |
| 16:09.54 | rsimpkins | This is an entertaing page: http://www.uv.tietgen.dk/staff/mlha/PC/Soft/DOS/com/ |
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| 16:11.05 | rsimpkins | Esspecially when you compare that page with this one: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 16:20.16 | tensai | find . -name \*.png |while read file; do mv "${file}" thumbnails; done |
| 16:20.51 | tensai | has the benefit of working with large directories which would overflow the commandline with xargs |
| 16:21.10 | tensai | also works fine with spaces |
| 16:21.59 | tensai | I use that construct a *lot* |
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| 16:24.51 | elg | Jayce^: you're a speedreader? |
| 16:27.23 | rsimpkins | Any iptables gurus about? I'm using -m recent and I'm trying to see what is matching in it. I can see it working, but do not see anything that shows that is blocked when I do an iptables -nL |
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| 16:29.22 | Jayce^ | elg, yeah.. not as much as my mom or sister, but faster than most |
| 16:31.40 | elg | i've always been interested in speed reading. how fast are you? how do you do it/learn it? is comprehension good, better, worse? Why did you link to such an obviously biased and skeptical wikipedia entry? why is sjansen shorter than ibot? |
| 16:32.25 | Jayce^ | depends on the methods you learn |
| 16:32.53 | Jayce^ | the first and foremost method came from just reading *a lot* starting from when I was a kid, so reading was just faster, with good comprehension |
| 16:33.24 | elg | yeah, I think I have that much. I read faster than others and it mostly comes from reading a lot. but I wouldn't say it's speedreading |
| 16:33.27 | Jayce^ | from there, I learned a basic method that coudl be considered the lazy-s style... which I have good comprehension in, but to work you need to be pretty quick on regular reading |
| 16:34.25 | Jayce^ | so I can grab phrases at a time, and pick out keywords pretty quick.. so you wind up jumping them and being able to insert conjunctions and other "binders" on your own |
| 16:35.18 | Jayce^ | I think that's what most speedreading boils down to, grabbing the key parts, and being able to bypass the 'extra' |
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| 16:36.23 | Jayce^ | I never really had a course in it, I think it's just part of how my mom taught me.. and she already read that way |
| 16:45.42 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 16:48.29 | elg | Jayce^: what about technical stuff? like CS theory or perl books |
| 16:51.22 | Jayce^ | that always slows you down |
| 16:51.47 | Jayce^ | of course, depends on some books, the actual reference part is slower, discussion faster |
| 16:52.02 | redbeard1 | and of course Jayce^ knows all about about being slow |
| 16:52.10 | Jayce^ | often I'll speed read it once, get the generalities, then go deep read the interesting parts |
| 16:52.23 | rsimpkins | Sometimes the discussion has one or two 'killer' sentances that if you miss might lead to hours of frustration. |
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| 18:50.51 | emcnabb | Our baby is going to be a... *drumroll*... girl |
| 18:51.00 | [phoenyx] | congrats |
| 18:51.13 | graphyx | Cool. |
| 18:51.15 | graphyx | Good job. |
| 18:51.21 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 18:51.29 | [phoenyx] | good job? lol |
| 18:55.33 | amcnabb | emcnabb, I really do wish I could be there to take the picture. |
| 18:55.52 | amcnabb | I'd love to see a newborn picture with fire in the background. |
| 18:55.56 | emcnabb | haha |
| 18:56.39 | rsimpkins | amcnabb: That might give people the wrong impression. They might ask who the fire^H^H^H^H father really is. |
| 18:57.07 | emcnabb | oh, I have a great story to share in a few (concall is about to begin) |
| 18:57.18 | amcnabb | We'll be waiting. :) |
| 18:58.01 | amcnabb | So we've got a ward directory with pictures of everybody in our part of the apartment complex. |
| 18:58.11 | amcnabb | Here's my photo that's going in it: |
| 18:58.13 | amcnabb | http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/misc/fire.jpeg |
| 18:58.24 | amcnabb | I think it's by far the coolest picture in the directory. |
| 18:58.56 | amcnabb | Especially with Richard Stallman up there in the flames. |
| 19:00.10 | graphyx | That is quite the picture.. |
| 19:00.18 | amcnabb | It took several takes. |
| 19:00.32 | graphyx | So you got to submit your own picture? |
| 19:00.49 | amcnabb | I'm actually the one compiling the directory, so I get to do whatever I want. :) |
| 19:02.17 | graphyx | Oh.. |
| 19:02.21 | graphyx | Well that makes it rather simple. |
| 19:02.29 | graphyx | to get your choice of picture in there. |
| 19:02.45 | graphyx | And you get to use the excuse of taking pictures to meet anyone you want. |
| 19:03.25 | amcnabb | The work it takes makes up for the benefit of getting to know people. |
| 19:03.28 | amcnabb | It's actually pretty tiring. |
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| 19:04.53 | graphyx | But once it is done you have everyone's name, phone number, address and picture. |
| 19:05.02 | graphyx | Just take notes on personality and you will have your dates all lined up. |
| 19:05.14 | rsimpkins | Don't be surprised if the ATF or FBI shows up and slaps a terrorism charge on ya. ;) |
| 19:05.43 | rsimpkins | Richard Stallman looks like an ismalist jihad fighter back there. ;) |
| 19:06.10 | amcnabb | :) |
| 19:06.10 | graphyx | IT's just the rightousness in him. |
| 19:06.20 | graphyx | the spirit of God like a fire is burning.. |
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| 19:09.05 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: Did ya rm -Rf /etc or something? |
| 19:09.26 | vontrapp | no, it's just this internet situation |
| 19:09.35 | vontrapp | the appartment only has wireless access |
| 19:09.38 | vontrapp | (no ethernet) |
| 19:09.46 | vontrapp | so... i want my router to connect for me |
| 19:09.59 | vontrapp | i tried doing it in routed client mode |
| 19:10.10 | vontrapp | it associates (i think) but gets no address |
| 19:10.27 | vontrapp | then i try it in bridged mode, then the computers behind it can get addresses |
| 19:11.45 | vontrapp | real weird |
| 19:11.46 | vontrapp | the problem with bridged is i need to authenticate |
| 19:11.46 | vontrapp | but i'm allowed only one computer |
| 19:11.46 | vontrapp | and with bridged each computer being bridged over would have to authenticate |
| 19:11.46 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.48 | vontrapp | so i try to get routed mode again |
| 19:11.50 | vontrapp | same deal |
| 19:11.52 | vontrapp | i hope i didn't just get disconnected |
| 19:12.31 | vontrapp | *phew* |
| 19:13.14 | rsimpkins | Set up one system with Linux that will stay authenticated, and use NAT? |
| 19:14.14 | vontrapp | alas, the only system that has wireless is my laptop, which will not stay put |
| 19:14.15 | vontrapp | and has a crappy wifi card anyway :/ |
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| 19:15.08 | rsimpkins | Hi TimRiker. |
| 19:15.40 | vontrapp | i'm sure i could get it to work if i could just get the darned thing to get an address by dhcp |
| 19:15.40 | vontrapp | i'm completely befuddled that it doesn't get one |
| 19:15.40 | vontrapp | my laptop gets it just fine |
| 19:25.15 | synic | anyone good with twinview or dual monitors? |
| 19:25.32 | synic | is it normal to have my framerate drop ~30fps in 3d games when I have two monitors? |
| 19:27.17 | vontrapp | unless you have a wicked awesome sick to the core magic video card i would guess it is |
| 19:27.43 | synic | lame. |
| 19:28.42 | vontrapp | maybe i exaggerate the type of card you would need |
| 19:28.42 | vontrapp | but it does make sense, two monitors is a lot more pixels than one |
| 19:29.57 | vontrapp | that is, if both monitors are even on the accelerated card |
| 19:30.19 | vontrapp | i guess i could do brigde mode, and have on computer authenticate, and then route the other computers through the authenticated one |
| 19:30.41 | vontrapp | but that would require manual intervention |
| 19:31.06 | vontrapp | is there a way to set up an interface so it gets an address from dhcp, _but_ you give it a static route? |
| 19:31.18 | vontrapp | sounds cooky, i know |
| 19:31.27 | vontrapp | kooky? |
| 19:31.35 | vontrapp | ~spell kooky |
| 19:32.46 | synic | yeah, but even if I drop the resolution to just one, as long as they are both plugged in, the framerate drops |
| 19:32.46 | synic | (and I'm not running the game fullscreen, it's in a 1024x768 window) |
| 19:33.35 | rsimpkins | synic: How much RAM is on the vid card? |
| 19:33.44 | synic | 128 |
| 19:33.57 | rsimpkins | Any chance you are filling that up/ |
| 19:34.05 | synic | I have no idea |
| 19:34.38 | Sargun | has anyone here played with quagga? |
| 19:34.43 | rsimpkins | synic: Well, I'm not sure how much RAM it takes to show a screen, but let's say the card/driver is stupid and only gives you 64MB per screen. Life is going to not be so good. |
| 19:35.02 | Sargun | 64MB is good enough... |
| 19:35.17 | Sargun | for most things |
| 19:40.00 | Sargun | synic, what card? |
| 19:40.20 | Sargun | Are you using xinerama? |
| 19:50.11 | emcnabb | so, here's the story I promised: my wife came home from work yesterday and told me about a serious email that was sent out to the entire department at the hospital. "John XXXXXXXX is going through a hard time right now. He just found out the child his wife had is not really his. Please don't talk to him about this sensitive subject" |
| 19:50.56 | Tene | ... |
| 19:51.10 | emcnabb | that's the story |
| 19:51.17 | emcnabb | just amazing that someone would do that |
| 19:51.59 | redbeard1 | that sounds like the type of sensitivity one might expect from "The Office" |
| 19:52.03 | redbeard1 | you know, the show |
| 19:52.31 | emcnabb | haha |
| 19:53.22 | Sargun | I think offices shouldn't allow mass messaging to recently hired employees without allowance from a supervisor |
| 19:54.15 | macnewbold | Sargun: why not? |
| 19:54.32 | macnewbold | it sounds like you've got a story |
| 19:54.45 | Sargun | a couple things: |
| 19:55.08 | macnewbold | is it about emcnabb's thing? |
| 19:55.17 | Sargun | A) I've had complaints about me sent out through departments, even after I was told that they would stay between me and the other party... |
| 19:55.21 | macnewbold | that one is mostly a dumb person who did something they shouldn't have |
| 19:55.25 | Sargun | B) You hear of such things all the time. |
| 19:55.44 | Sargun | where an intern hired after 2 months sends out a personal e-mail to the entire company.. |
| 19:55.49 | macnewbold | those are dumb people breaking confidences/propriety |
| 19:55.56 | macnewbold | but they should be handled individually |
| 19:56.09 | macnewbold | and everyone told what the standards are, and reminded from time to time |
| 19:56.19 | macnewbold | more rules can often just cause more problems |
| 20:01.51 | synic | Sargun: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE] (rev a1) |
| 20:02.04 | synic | and no, I'm not using xinerama |
| 20:02.28 | Sargun | yeah |
| 20:02.46 | Sargun | nvidia has some humongous 3d acceleration problems with the GeForces |
| 20:02.54 | Sargun | and 2 screens or more |
| 20:03.08 | Sargun | where the 2nd screen doesn't have 3d acceleration |
| 20:10.29 | [Utah]tristanbob | has anyone used alien to convert RPMs to Debs? If so, how successful was it? |
| 20:11.43 | Tene | Sargun: "geforce" == "GeForce" or "anything from the entire GeForce series"? |
| 20:12.12 | Sargun | not entire, but a large part |
| 20:12.46 | Sargun | I know that some newer nVidia drivers have the problem solved |
| 20:12.51 | Sargun | on certain chips |
| 20:14.49 | synic | well, I get 3d on both of them |
| 20:14.59 | synic | it's just signifigantly slower. |
| 20:15.16 | Sargun | yeah -- hardware acceleration is broken |
| 20:15.24 | Sargun | not actually off |
| 20:15.35 | Sargun | I know they fixed the problem on quadro |
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| 20:43.31 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 20:44.37 | Tene | ~levi elg |
| 20:44.43 | ibot | ACTION gives elg a hovercraft and then fills it with eels! |
| 20:44.48 | redbeard1 | ~rlart |
| 20:45.08 | redbeard1 | sorry, just got caught up in all that |
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| 20:49.33 | Sargun | is anyone here an accountant/payroll specialist. |
| 20:49.46 | Sargun | I might be looking at developing a payroll application. |
| 20:54.00 | macnewbold | my advice: don't. it's a can of worms. :) |
| 20:54.10 | macnewbold | I've successfully avoided it for years now... |
| 20:54.22 | macnewbold | seriously though, whenever possible it's best to avoid reinventing the wheel |
| 20:54.36 | macnewbold | would it be a custom app for a particular client who pays for your time, or is it one you're going to try and sell or something? |
| 20:54.56 | Sargun | well, better yet, are there any open source tax filing apps (even though the IRS doesn't allow it) |
| 20:55.16 | Sargun | macnewbold, around 10k a year. |
| 20:55.29 | Sargun | a client who will pay me for support |
| 20:55.46 | macnewbold | the irs Does, or Does not, allow any app to efile? |
| 20:55.48 | Sargun | and I get rights to the application after 1 year |
| 20:56.11 | Sargun | they allow any. |
| 20:56.13 | Sargun | but its a pain |
| 20:56.32 | macnewbold | why only after a year? |
| 20:56.32 | Sargun | because unless you want pop-ups saying 'danger will robinson' you cannot open source it |
| 20:56.35 | Sargun | yet... |
| 20:56.48 | Sargun | macnewbold, because I'm giving them a great deal. |
| 20:57.05 | Sargun | anybody else will charge them 15k and up |
| 20:57.20 | Tene | what do you mean about popups, Sargun? |
| 20:58.07 | Sargun | Tene, when you file it the webpage will say that 'This application may be malicous blah blah blah' |
| 20:58.22 | Tene | weird. why? |
| 20:59.05 | Sargun | Tene, it gives them a false sense of security |
| 21:00.23 | Sargun | I know that alotta people are trying to get it removed |
| 21:08.28 | macnewbold | Sargun: I meant why don't you get to keep the rights to begin with, rather than getting them after a year? |
| 21:08.47 | macnewbold | i.e., don't do it as a work for hire, do it as a service, and give them a license to use the results of your work |
| 21:08.54 | macnewbold | and you keep the copyright and everything |
| 21:09.24 | macnewbold | the company I work for charges 2-4x as much to do a work-for-hire project where we sell our rights to it also |
| 21:09.33 | macnewbold | everything else is a service, and there's a license agreement they sign |
| 21:09.55 | macnewbold | that way we can reuse pieces here and there where it makes sense, rather than building from scratch on every project every time |
| 21:12.42 | Sargun | hmm, I could see |
| 21:12.51 | Sargun | I think they'll be quite flexible |
| 21:26.02 | jsmith | "I think" and "I have it in writing" are two different animals |
| 21:26.59 | redbeard1 | band of the day: http://www.thepolyphonicspree.com/walltwelve800x600.jpg |
| 21:27.16 | redbeard1 | their third album is about to come out |
| 21:27.23 | redbeard1 | be afraid. be very afraid. |
| 21:28.27 | Sargun | heh |
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| 22:28.13 | elg | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 22:28.21 | Sargun | hmm, crap, I think one of my machines has been comprimised |
| 22:28.45 | elg | it was Jayce^. he did it |
| 22:31.22 | Sargun | heh |
| 22:39.06 | bonez39 | anyone know about Mailstreet...which works with Exchange? My wife's company is going with this combination..I'd like to find something open source as an alternative option |
| 22:40.47 | rsimpkins | bonez39: mailstreet, what is it? Google returns a hosting company. |
| 22:53.02 | rsimpkins | Am I invisible? |
| 22:54.04 | Tene | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 22:55.02 | rsimpkins | How does that old fable go? The king and his new cloths? |
| 22:59.16 | Tene | Well, it all starts with Emperor Sjansen, who was very vain and wanted a new, impressive set of clothing. |
| 22:59.25 | Tene | Or was it Harleypig? |
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| 23:33.25 | tensai | ~lart weather |
| 23:35.17 | Kuyaedz | anyone up to figuring out the voodoo that is MS Exchange? |
| 23:36.13 | Kuyaedz | I'm having odd issues connecting to the exchange server via Evolution |
| 23:40.17 | bonez39 | rsimpkins, yeah, hosting..it's all allow a remote worker to be in the loop with shared calendaring, shared contacts...ldap sort of.....but using exchange....and outlook..... |
| 23:42.11 | rsimpkins | so - you want a free exchange server? |
| 23:42.26 | rsimpkins | evolution is about the closest thing I am aware of. |
| 23:42.50 | elg | exchange is more like deevolution |
| 23:45.10 | jsmith | Kuyaedz: The problem is that the Exchange connector in Evolution is using the Outlook Web Access API to talk to Exchange, which has never been documented and is totally unsupported. |
| 23:46.26 | Kuyaedz | jsmith: odd thing is that it works 100% from home (outside the office LAN) but when inside the LAN it wont connect. |
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| 23:49.43 | Tene | Actually, I was under the impression that recent versions of evolution would talk to exchange natively, not just through the web thing |
| 23:50.13 | jsmith | Tene: If so, that's news to me. Luckily, I don't have an exchange server to try it with anymore. |
| 23:50.16 | Kuyaedz | I'm using the webmail URL in the version I have.. |
| 23:50.30 | jsmith | Kuyaedz: Exactly... |
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| 23:51.45 | elg | mmm, successful sourdough |
| 23:51.50 | elg | batard |
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