| 00:01.56 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 00:01.56 | ^Migs^ | one of my favorites, in fact |
| 00:02.16 | dilvie | a lot of virtuoso lessons concentrate on performing repetative finger exercises, and developing good control, playing evenly, or working on formalized dynamic techniques |
| 00:02.28 | ^Migs^ | not necessarily the best method |
| 00:02.40 | dilvie | I've met a couple really great pianists who happen to teach deeper techniques |
| 00:02.41 | dilvie | for me, the techniques just happened naturally. |
| 00:02.42 | elg | i studied with this lady for a year http://www.artistswithoutfrontiers.com/jdetoth/index.html |
| 00:02.42 | brac | [► June de Toth a member of Artists Without Frontiers] |
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| 00:02.43 | elg | but she was too expensive for my poor high school budget and i didn't feel I was getting all that much out of it |
| 00:02.43 | dilvie | all good piano music breathes.. it has periods of ups and downs, in dynamic expression, tempo, and timbre |
| 00:02.43 | elg | learned a lot of good chopin during that time though |
| 00:03.04 | elg | for one thing, she was a bartok nut. I never cared much for bartok. she never gave me bartok though, mostly chopin, which I liked |
| 00:03.28 | elg | all my teachers get this look at some point. I think it's the "you have potential why don't you practice and what do you mean you'd rather spend time on the computer than practicing?" look |
| 00:03.36 | dilvie | the best way to bring those out is to let your whole body sink into the currents of the music, and there are certain things you can do to enhance your breathing and heart rate, and open up your joints so that the emotion springing up from with in is more easily translated into keystrokes that blend harmoniously with the musical passage |
| 00:03.45 | elg | they never say it quite that way, but I know it. :) |
| 00:04.28 | findlay | dilvie: but still the creation of music is a higher brain function, is it not? |
| 00:04.38 | dilvie | I'm not sure what you mean by "higher brain function" |
| 00:04.47 | findlay | your breathing, heart rate and joints can't be responsible for anything creative |
| 00:04.57 | dilvie | they certainly can |
| 00:05.10 | dilvie | dispute all you like... that doesn't change anything |
| 00:05.18 | findlay | lol |
| 00:05.18 | harleypig | http://rightwingnytimes.cf.huffingtonpost.com/ |
| 00:05.18 | brac | [times] |
| 00:05.18 | harleypig | Mouse over the SLC advert ... |
| 00:05.19 | dilvie | have you heard of the concept of muscle memory causing sudden, unexpected emotional outbursts? |
| 00:05.24 | harleypig | This is a flash app that shows you how conservatives read the New York Times. |
| 00:05.34 | harleypig | dilvie: Yeah, it's called adolescence |
| 00:06.07 | dilvie | often, atheletes at the peak of a physical breakthrough will burst out laughing, or crying, or they'll shout or express some other very strong emotion |
| 00:06.14 | harleypig | Isn't that exultation? |
| 00:06.20 | dilvie | the body and mind are much more closely tied than you might think, and the body is certainly involved in the creative process, particularly if you're a musician playing real accoustic instruments |
| 00:06.41 | findlay | dilvie: perhaps you're right |
| 00:06.44 | dilvie | harleypig: if you mean an emotional reaction from the "achievement", I'd have to say certainly not, because they often come very suddenly and unexpectedly, and the outburst don't always coincide with anything the athelete would consider to be an achievement.. for example, a yoga student of mine burst out in tears during a stretch that she had performed routinely for years.. |
| 00:12.56 | dilvie | anyway, I use those outbursts just as an example of evidence that shows that your body is actively involved with emotion |
| 00:12.56 | findlay | although it's a queer thing to think about |
| 00:12.56 | dilvie | and I don't think anybody would dispute that emotion is actively involved with creativity |
| 00:12.56 | harleypig | findlay: why is it queer? (I'm pretty sure you meant strange and not ... gay) |
| 00:12.56 | findlay | certainly, but emotion is not all of creativity |
| 00:13.00 | dilvie | findlay: linking your body to your performance at the level I'm talking about is something that can be taught, but rarely is -- something that a few of the piano masters I've discussed it with would consider an essential ingredient for true piano mastery |
| 00:13.00 | harleypig | dilvie: If you're (generic you) then you should already accept the concept of body and mind affecting each other. |
| 00:13.00 | dilvie | findlay: of course not. =) |
| 00:13.01 | dilvie | most teachers will teach basic posture, and even (more rarely) basic breath/rhythm coordination |
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| 00:13.02 | dilvie | but the rabit hole goes much, much deeper. |
| 00:13.02 | findlay | dilvie: indeed |
| 00:13.05 | findlay | it's taken me a long time to learn an awareness of form while playing but all that I've learned has helped a lot |
| 00:13.05 | dilvie | I can teach a variety of exercizes that actually "tune" your body so that it's better able to express music |
| 00:13.06 | dilvie | and I'm not talking about finger exercises |
| 00:13.06 | findlay | I'll believe you until you start talking about tapping into a cosmic force that controlls everything (-: |
| 00:13.07 | dilvie | and the exercises help not only with piano, but with winds or strings or drums |
| 00:13.11 | dilvie | how about tapping into a much deeper range of breath, motion, flexibility, and fitness of muscle and subtle connective tissues? |
| 00:13.11 | dilvie | exercises that reduce arthritic conditions, deepen your energy efficiency, and enhance bloodflow and circulation |
| 00:13.14 | dilvie | and exercizes that can help you tap your emotional reserves via the processes of controling breath, circulation, and the positions of various core muscles (stomach, waist, back, neck, and shoulders) while you play... |
| 00:13.14 | dilvie | as I said, I have certain skills that are not commonly taught to piano players, that can really enhance piano performance. |
| 00:13.15 | dilvie | and I'm not going to hide behind a wall of secrecy about it. I'm happy to show them to anybody who's interested, and demonstrate the impact on piano performance in person. |
| 00:13.15 | findlay | sounds interesting |
| 00:13.15 | elg | yes it does. if I weren't in NM I might take you up |
| 00:13.15 | dilvie | beyond those skills, and my mediocre composition, I'm not a terribly great pianist, but if you are already technically great, I'm certain I can help you push it to the next level, even if you can play more complex music than I'm capable of. |
| 00:13.15 | elg | then I'd wake up and realize that unfeeling cretin that I am I would rather focus my efforts on mental techniques and this thing called practice |
| 00:13.15 | dilvie | hehe |
| 00:13.15 | elg | mental techniques like theory and improv |
| 00:13.15 | elg | so I can play jazz piano and maybe in my dreams improvise organ music something like bach did |
| 00:13.15 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/music/sanctuary/eric_-_06_in_a_moment.ogg <-- another improvised compositions.. some mistakes, but some good dynamics (for MIDI on a crappy piano patch) |
| 00:13.16 | elg | composers and improvisers are still beyond my comprehension. I look at you guys and have an easier time imagining myself flying like a bird than improvising |
| 00:13.16 | elg | although my head tells me I'm much closer to improvisation. :) |
| 00:13.16 | dilvie | the good dynamics come in towards the end |
| 00:13.16 | dilvie | my improv skills aren't as impressive as flying. |
| 00:13.16 | dilvie | =) |
| 00:13.16 | dilvie | They're not even close to the really good composers. |
| 00:13.16 | dilvie | You can really hear me fumbling around, but there are good moments. =) |
| 00:13.18 | dilvie | findlay: are you in the Salt Lake area? |
| 00:13.18 | dilvie | If you can make it here, I would challenge you to sit through one teaching session. If it's not a major eye opener, I'll buy you dinner. =) |
| 00:13.19 | dilvie | I'm actually willing to wager that it would open your eyes to a whole new world of expressive possibilities. |
| 00:18.23 | findlay | dilvie: I'm in Provo if that counts |
| 00:18.31 | findlay | dilvie: those 'good moments' are fun |
| 00:18.33 | findlay | sometimes I wonder why I've cultivated such a dependence on music |
| 00:18.33 | dilvie | findlay: If you're willing to drive up to discredit me and get a free dinner, or have a serious piano breakthru, I'm down. |
| 00:18.43 | dilvie | I put my money where my mouth is. ;) |
| 00:18.45 | findlay | dilvie: I'm willing to believe you |
| 00:18.53 | findlay | and I submit that I don't know very much and half of what I do know is founded on prejudice and falsehoods |
| 00:18.53 | ^Migs^ | improvising takes practice, elg |
| 00:18.57 | findlay | it does |
| 00:19.03 | ^Migs^ | I didn't really pick it up until after about 14 years of lessons |
| 00:19.06 | dilvie | I don't improvise much. |
| 00:19.06 | ^Migs^ | now I find it hard NOT to improvise |
| 00:19.12 | dilvie | I used to improv guitar leads frequently |
| 00:19.15 | dilvie | ^Migs^: You play much jazz? |
| 00:19.31 | dilvie | If I'm working in totally unexplored territory, I like the freedom of totally freeform improv.. just do whatever the feeling dictates |
| 00:19.36 | dilvie | but I also like improving with bands, because you have to go with the feedback from the other players, or things get messy. ;) |
| 00:19.36 | ^Migs^ | jazz is the one thing I WISH I could play |
| 00:19.43 | ^Migs^ | I would LOVE to go back, and take jazz piano lessons |
| 00:19.44 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I can play jazz songs, but not like a REAL jazz pianist |
| 00:19.46 | elg | yeah I know it takes practice. I even have an entry point in this jazz book I got. I just need to practice |
| 00:19.46 | dilvie | I don't listen to enough jazz to be any good at it |
| 00:19.47 | dilvie | I love jazz |
| 00:19.48 | dilvie | I just don't get a good steady stream of it |
| 00:19.48 | elg | another thing i'd like to be able to do is play a continuo |
| 00:19.49 | dilvie | some people have the equivalent of a photographic musical memory, and they can take those photographic imprints and apply to whatever they're doing |
| 00:19.51 | elg | or figured bass or whatever you want to call it |
| 00:19.52 | dilvie | I'm not one of them. |
| 00:19.53 | dilvie | elg: my understanding of figured bass is the notation sense, where the basic chords are spelled out, and you interpret the specific notes however you like.. is that what you're talking about? |
| 00:19.54 | elg | yes |
| 00:19.57 | elg | you're given either numbers or a bass line (one note) |
| 00:20.06 | elg | and you fill in the chords and improvise |
| 00:20.06 | dilvie | =) |
| 00:20.12 | elg | pachelbel's canon was written for 3 violins and basso continuo, which is usually realized with a bass or cello playing that boring part, and a harpsichord playing the chords |
| 00:20.15 | findlay | and in my case I 'get' to play the third violin part on my viola |
| 00:20.18 | dilvie | maybe I hate canon because I play bass. |
| 00:20.19 | elg | well the third isn't much different from the first |
| 00:20.21 | findlay | no different in fact (: |
| 00:20.23 | findlay | all three parts are exactly the same |
| 00:20.25 | findlay | except two measures apart |
| 00:20.25 | findlay | and the first and second violinists have some extra notes so they can wait for the third to finish |
| 00:20.28 | findlay | that is what it means to be a cannon in a sense |
| 00:20.39 | dilvie | I just noticed another thing I hate about MIDI |
| 00:20.46 | findlay | my understanding was the passacaglia and cannon were simmilar enough to be confused and not rigidly defined forms |
| 00:20.52 | dilvie | you can't modulate timbre with the sustain pedal via midi controller |
| 00:20.55 | dilvie | I use that technique constantly on real piano, and it drives me crazy when the extra layer of nuance is missing. |
| 00:20.59 | findlay | heh |
| 00:20.59 | dilvie | no sympathetic resonance, no muted partials on ringing notes.. |
| 00:20.59 | findlay | electronic music has a long way to go I think |
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| 00:20.59 | dilvie | IMO, having so much control over the timbre of the piano is one of the coolest things about the instrument, and one of the keys to its versatility. |
| 00:21.06 | dilvie | playing midi piano strips away a lot of the life |
| 00:36.05 | findlay | yeah |
| 00:36.08 | dilvie | not that I dislike midi piano.. I like it an use it where appropriate.. it's great for technique practice, for instance. |
| 00:36.09 | findlay | instead they have dozens of whole sets of different samples |
| 00:36.10 | dilvie | But it's not an adequate replacement for the real thing, yet. |
| 00:36.11 | dilvie | yeah |
| 00:36.12 | dilvie | 3 GB piano sets |
| 00:36.16 | findlay | although the piano probably has one of the narrowest ranges of timbre |
| 00:36.20 | findlay | very broad for a percussive instrument though |
| 00:36.21 | dilvie | I've seen lots of sets with pedal up, and pedal down samples to try to mimic sympathetic resonance.. ever seen a set with pedal "mostly" down, so that it's just muting some of the higher partials? |
| 00:36.21 | elg | dilvie: yeah, and trying to get the timbre of an instrument like a string or horn is even more silly |
| 00:36.22 | findlay | oooh, rain |
| 00:36.23 | dilvie | when you see a musician pumping their toes up and down with the pedal mostly depressed, they're modulating the timbre. =) |
| 00:36.23 | dilvie | I've never seen any electronic piano simulation even try to cover that technique |
| 00:36.25 | elg | dilvie: i've never had an instrument that I could even pretend to do that with |
| 00:36.25 | dilvie | any real piano with a working damper should be able to do it. |
| 00:36.25 | elg | electronic pianos aren't the only ones to fail there. :) |
| 00:36.27 | elg | define working |
| 00:36.28 | elg | technically speaking these instruments had "working" action, too |
| 00:36.29 | findlay | my dad says the guy at the piano factory who calibrates the dampers is the highest paid |
| 00:36.30 | dilvie | my piano is a relatively cheap upright, and it works fine |
| 00:36.31 | findlay | because it's way hard to calibrate |
| 00:36.44 | dilvie | findlay: that makes sense.. it is sensitive, and spans most of the keyboard |
| 00:36.45 | dilvie | elg: I have met pianos that don't have damper coverage on the lower octaves. that's annoying! |
| 00:36.52 | dilvie | oh, that reminds me.. are there sample packs that can do muted notes? |
| 00:36.57 | dilvie | and how the hell would you achieve a muted note on MIDI? |
| 00:37.01 | dilvie | not that I use them often.. it's just another thing pianos can do that computer simulations fall short on. |
| 00:37.01 | Tene | What is a muted note? |
| 00:37.04 | dilvie | tene: piano action has a mechanism that stops a note from playing when you let go of the key. If you play the action just right, you can play a muted note after depressing and partially releasing the key |
| 00:37.05 | dilvie | another way to do it is to reach into the piano case and physically prevent the string from ringing. |
| 00:44.22 | dilvie | and there's a full range of reach into the case techniques that also can't be reproduced via computer simulations |
| 00:44.22 | tensai | ~seen redbeard1 |
| 00:44.55 | ibot | redbeard1 <n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3h 26m 7s ago, saying: 'and then i get an email telling me that Kruti isn't the right person for me to work with on this test, i need to talk to Trang, and if she needs help then she'll grab Kruti'. |
| 00:45.07 | dilvie | is there a reason this haas dll is much smaller than the last one? |
| 00:45.17 | dilvie | elg: haas plugin isn't showing up in my host plugin list |
| 00:45.18 | dilvie | elg: trying with ableton live.. |
| 00:45.22 | spr | is there a function in perl that will sanitize/escape strings for use in the shell |
| 00:45.26 | dilvie | elg: not detected by ableton live or renoise -- my primary composing platforms |
| 00:45.27 | dilvie | elg: ); |
| 00:45.40 | dilvie | d'oh |
| 00:47.53 | findlay | spr: doesn't your escaping depend at least partially on how the string is to be used by the shell |
| 00:49.44 | spr | Yeah, there's double-quotes, single-quotes, and no quotes. |
| 00:49.44 | spr | But one would think someone would have a function to escape as needed |
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| 01:34.03 | evan_ | hey, how do internet share in ubuntu? |
| 01:42.49 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.51 | rsimpkins | evan_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179472 see step 4 |
| 01:48.02 | findlay | spr: http://search.cpan.org/~rosch/String-ShellQuote-1.03/ShellQuote.pm |
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| 01:54.27 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
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| 02:03.55 | findlay | Mozart is such an enigma |
| 02:07.28 | tensai | he wrote music and performed encryption? who knew? |
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| 02:11.17 | findlay | truly |
| 02:12.29 | findlay | I heard that the main theme to symphony no. 25 is the md5 hash of his name |
| 02:15.25 | levi_home | I'm impressed with AIAMA so far. |
| 02:15.44 | levi_home | Unfortunately, I will have to write code in a .net language for this class. |
| 02:15.55 | levi_home | I figure I'll learn F# or something. |
| 02:17.14 | elg | F#? |
| 02:17.17 | elg | is that a real lang? |
| 02:17.36 | nick125_lappy | I think he means C# |
| 02:18.40 | levi_home | I think I know what I mean. |
| 02:18.47 | nick125_lappy | aah |
| 02:19.06 | levi_home | F# was developed at Microsoft Research. It's somewhat compatible with OCaml. |
| 02:19.31 | levi_home | F for Functional |
| 02:20.00 | levi_home | I've at least written a little program in OCaml, which is more than I can say for C#. |
| 02:20.09 | levi_home | But if I'm going to learn a language, it might as well be an interesting one. |
| 02:24.44 | levi_home | It supposedly works with Microsoft's runtime and Mono, and has a performance profile similar to C#. |
| 02:25.07 | levi_home | So I won't pay a performance penalty, or at least not much of one. |
| 02:45.45 | elg | nifty |
| 02:46.05 | findlay | wonders if they'll make an Fx (as in F##) |
| 02:47.17 | elg | Tomorrow classes start. I'm taking a languages class (as in in-depth study of languages), a DSP theory class, and a "systems modeling and simulation" class |
| 02:47.40 | elg | and TAing the grad-level computability class |
| 02:48.01 | findlay | to find if the grads are computable? |
| 02:48.34 | mrpull-lt | levi_home: is IronPython a good fit? |
| 02:49.31 | levi_home | The languages class sounds fun. The others sound scary. |
| 02:50.17 | levi_home | mrpull-lt: IronPython would likely be slower. I'm not sure yet how important performance will be. |
| 02:50.48 | levi_home | mrpull-lt: Dynamically typed languages are at a disadvantage when running on .net or the JVM. |
| 02:51.25 | mrpull-lt | hardware is cheap... developer time is expensive :) |
| 02:51.29 | elg | the languages class is supposed to be scary, I'm sure I'll enjoy it |
| 02:51.50 | elg | the DSP class definitely has the potential to be scary, but I know what I need DSP for now and that always helps |
| 02:51.56 | elg | and the other one looks fun |
| 02:52.05 | elg | lots of fun statistics and that sort of thing |
| 02:52.18 | elg | Basic concepts of modeling computer systems; continuous and discrete time models, states and transitions, probablistic models. Structure of simulation programs, time-driven and event-driven simulation, simulation on captured and synthetic traces, generation of random variables, queuing models, Markov chains, radnom walks, Poisson, Markov, renewal branching and Brownian motion processes, model validation and data analysis" |
| 02:53.17 | mrpull-lt | many claim that ironpython is faster than c python |
| 02:53.29 | levi_home | mrpull-lt: F# should be relatively friendly as far as developer time goes. No type annotations, interactive scripting environment, etc. |
| 02:53.47 | levi_home | mrpull-lt: That would not be hard to accomplish. C python is not fast. |
| 02:54.15 | levi_home | elg: That sounds like stuff I should learn eventually, but not from UVSC! |
| 02:54.53 | mrpull-lt | levi_home: have you looked at Boo? (python-ish statically typed language) |
| 02:55.12 | levi_home | mrpull-lt: No, and I have no reason to unless it compiles to .net. |
| 02:55.21 | mrpull-lt | it does |
| 02:55.26 | levi_home | Hmm. |
| 02:55.32 | levi_home | Works with mono? |
| 02:55.48 | mrpull-lt | it claims to. i dont really know much about it. |
| 02:55.58 | mrpull-lt | honestly, I dont know if it is even complete. |
| 02:56.33 | findlay | levi_home: why are you particular about .net? |
| 02:56.45 | levi_home | F# has a paid development team behind it, and I respect Microsoft Research even if their mainstream programming arm isn't all that great. |
| 02:56.48 | elg | his course requireth it |
| 02:57.02 | levi_home | findlay: Because I have to write a chess program that interfaces with a .net DLL. |
| 02:57.11 | elg | the engine, or a gui? |
| 02:57.19 | findlay | lets write a lisp.net compiler for levi |
| 02:57.21 | levi_home | I'm not really sure yet. |
| 02:57.37 | levi_home | I'm not terribly impressed with the professor so far. |
| 02:57.54 | levi_home | findlay: People are writing them already, but I don't think any are very mature. |
| 02:58.04 | findlay | is UVSC still a microsoft shop? |
| 02:58.10 | levi_home | And I want to learn OCaml. |
| 02:58.32 | levi_home | findlay: Increasingly no, but there's still a strong Microsoft presence. |
| 02:58.43 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 02:59.05 | findlay | do you mean that there are non (*gasp*) Windows labs? |
| 02:59.43 | levi_home | There are a couple of big Mac labs that are used for unix stuff. |
| 03:00.08 | levi_home | And most classes have allowed me to use Linux or Mac OS. |
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| 03:40.17 | levi_home | Hmm, apparently mono comes with Boo. |
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| 03:52.22 | levi_home | Cool, I wrote a hello world app in F# that runs in mono |
| 03:54.04 | findlay | so all you have to do now is change it to a "Hello, Mr. Kasparov" |
| 03:56.41 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 03:57.08 | atoponce | cold blooded murder! |
| 03:58.34 | tensai | you only assume ibot shot findlay dead. she might have just neutered him. |
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| 04:00.40 | atoponce | ibot is a she? |
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| 04:19.13 | tensai | she was for a while. now she's just ambiguous. |
| 04:19.15 | tensai | ~gender |
| 04:19.26 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 04:24.21 | atoponce | ibot: you are male |
| 04:24.27 | ibot | atoponce: what are you talking about? |
| 04:24.57 | atoponce | who knows? it's late, and i'm going to bed |
| 04:28.54 | findlay | ibot: what are you? |
| 04:28.56 | ibot | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:30.14 | tensai | ibot: are you an alien sent here to eat our precious brains? |
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| 05:18.27 | rsimpkins | ibot: ibot is also the latest craze in home pest control. |
| 05:18.29 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to is also the latest craze in home pest control.. |
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| 05:24.36 | Sargun | I wonder how mheath is |
| 05:27.38 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: PM |
| 05:34.46 | Supaplex | Sargun: crunchy on the inside ;) |
| 05:35.02 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 05:35.31 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: why don't you always respond to PM? |
| 05:36.30 | Tene | nick125_lappy: is that nick registered? |
| 05:36.43 | nick125_lappy | which nick? |
| 05:36.44 | Supaplex | and identified... |
| 05:36.49 | Supaplex | yours! |
| 05:36.50 | Tene | " nick125_lappy " |
| 05:36.54 | nick125_lappy | he responds sometimes |
| 05:37.13 | findlay | ~respond nick125_lappy |
| 05:37.15 | nick125_lappy | its not that my message isn't getting though, its just that he doesn't respond |
| 05:37.27 | findlay | ~transpond nick125_lappy |
| 05:37.41 | findlay | ~correspond nick125_lappy |
| 05:38.15 | Supaplex | ~jump+in+a+pond nick125_lappy |
| 05:42.37 | Tene | http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1 |
| 05:42.40 | Tene | :E |
| 05:42.41 | Tene | scary |
| 05:44.05 | findlay | stupid |
| 05:52.38 | findlay | only in California ... |
| 06:26.39 | rsimpkins | Anyone here use freenet? |
| 07:13.42 | Tene | argh! |
| 07:13.59 | Tene | Gaim apparently blocks on direct client connections on aim. |
| 07:14.09 | Tene | it stops responding completely when someone sends me a picture. |
| 07:14.12 | Tene | That's bad and stupid. |
| 07:15.28 | findlay | blame aim, of course |
| 07:15.30 | findlay | OOS' |
| 07:15.31 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.31 | findlay | ' |
| 07:15.37 | findlay | what the |
| 07:15.43 | rsimpkins | What is stupid is png-24 support in IE. |
| 07:15.48 | findlay | anyway, OSS is never wrong |
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| 13:09.50 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 13:10.02 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 13:10.44 | redbeard1 | you're just jealous because you don't get cheesecake everytime you walk into the room |
| 13:13.23 | redbeard1 | just admit it |
| 13:17.51 | redbeard1 | this mod_security seems to be working well. maybe just a little too well. |
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| 13:36.40 | atoponce | wrong window yet again... :( |
| 13:37.25 | atoponce | that's like 4 times now |
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| 13:53.52 | bonez39 | is there any way to install Media Player under linux? Prison Break is online, but only plays with WMP |
| 13:56.02 | elg | mplayer is your best bed |
| 13:56.03 | elg | er, bet |
| 13:56.10 | elg | but don't hold your breath |
| 13:56.18 | elg | well maybe half-hold it |
| 14:04.43 | bonez39 | why is so much of the online video content beholden to Microsoft? that's frustrating |
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| 14:48.49 | elg | -lart harleypig |
| 14:49.21 | graphyx | ~lart brac |
| 15:00.44 | tensai | elg: much experience with asterisk queues? |
| 15:00.48 | elg | some |
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| 15:03.20 | elg | great, first day of school and the whole university seems to be cut off from the internet |
| 15:03.20 | elg | from this end anyway |
| 15:04.00 | elg | tensai: what do you want to know? |
| 15:04.04 | tensai | elg: I'm just setting up some tests. problem I'm having now is it rings the first extension, if there's no answer it doesn't requeue. |
| 15:04.40 | tensai | I want it to ring an extension for say 20 seconds then go back to the queue and try somebody else |
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| 15:04.55 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 15:09.52 | elg | tensai: but isn't that the whole point of the queue? |
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| 15:21.49 | tensai | elg: the point is to ring one agent and then give up? |
| 15:22.01 | elg | no, the point is as you described |
| 15:22.02 | elg | isn't it? |
| 15:22.09 | elg | so I'm not sure why it's giving up |
| 15:22.20 | tensai | I would have thought that was the point |
| 15:22.48 | elg | well, I guess the primary point is to queue people when nobody is available |
| 15:23.01 | elg | eg when everyone's on a call |
| 15:23.04 | elg | but still |
| 15:23.16 | tensai | and if agents don't answer their phones, then their effectively not available |
| 15:23.25 | tensai | s/their/they're/ |
| 15:23.38 | elg | yup. I think there's an option to requeue, but my memory is hazy |
| 15:24.58 | tensai | there's a timeout setting in queues.conf |
| 15:26.01 | tensai | there's an autologoff in agents.conf |
| 15:27.44 | tensai | neither seems to do anything though |
| 15:27.59 | elg | let's blame jsmith |
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| 15:31.35 | emcnabb | ~blame jsmith |
| 15:31.41 | ibot | ACTION blames jsmith (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 15:32.00 | jsmith | Wow... nice to know I've caused so much trouble... |
| 15:32.10 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:32.28 | jsmith | What did I do this time? |
| 15:34.00 | elg | jsmith: tensai is blaming you for his queue troubles |
| 15:34.31 | jsmith | Yeah, they're my fault. |
| 15:34.41 | elg | his queue is wimpy. gives up after the first try |
| 15:34.58 | jsmith | Wow... doesn't sound like much of a queue then. |
| 15:35.06 | tensai | it tries the first extension, if there's no answer it doesn't requeue. |
| 15:35.33 | jsmith | Huh? |
| 15:35.35 | jsmith | Wow... |
| 15:36.20 | tensai | I'm glad to know I'm not the only one surprised by that behavior |
| 15:39.05 | tensai | aha! |
| 15:39.23 | jsmith | tensai: Something set wrong in queues.conf? |
| 15:39.31 | tensai | nope, extensions.conf |
| 15:39.36 | jsmith | tensai: Using dynamic queues and not returning Busy()? |
| 15:40.09 | tensai | you can't Answer() the channel before Dial()ing the agent |
| 15:40.17 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 15:40.20 | jsmith | You can't. |
| 15:40.38 | tensai | I read somewhere that it was good form to Answer your calls so I did |
| 15:40.39 | jsmith | Why didn't you ask me that an hour ago? ;-) |
| 15:40.53 | tensai | -lart jsmith for not being here an hour ago |
| 15:41.02 | jsmith | tensai: I said it was good form to Answer() your calls *unless you have a reason not to*. |
| 15:41.13 | tensai | ~lart brac |
| 15:42.01 | tensai | now it works perfectly. rings agent, agent doesn't answer, agent is removed from queue, queue has no more agents, caller goes to VM |
| 15:42.20 | tensai | all while Dvorak plays. it's beautiful really |
| 15:42.44 | elg | I like to avoid thinking about what dvorak does |
| 15:44.11 | tensai | ok, dvorak is technically "dead". the Columbia University Orchestra is playing. |
| 15:44.31 | goozbach | I found dvorak last night |
| 15:44.44 | elg | that's not the dvorak I'm worried about |
| 15:44.48 | goozbach | I had to reset the tubes in the right order so I might get the output |
| 15:44.57 | goozbach | output stack that is |
| 15:45.09 | tensai | goozbach: your series of internet tubes? |
| 15:45.18 | goozbach | tensai: no, vacume tubes |
| 15:45.26 | goozbach | splinter cell++ |
| 15:45.47 | tensai | actual vacuum tubes or virtual ones on a computer? |
| 15:45.47 | goozbach | I should probally lay off however, I go around wanting to shoot out lights |
| 15:45.58 | goozbach | virtual ones |
| 15:46.02 | goozbach | in a game |
| 15:46.08 | goozbach | splinter cell |
| 15:46.12 | goozbach | buhahah |
| 15:46.19 | goozbach | ptunk! |
| 15:46.24 | tensai | which one? there were no tubes in mine. |
| 15:46.28 | goozbach | *lights go dark* |
| 15:46.33 | goozbach | caos theory |
| 15:50.40 | goozbach | lets take a walk |
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| 16:23.21 | findlay | tensai: you're playing Dvorak? |
| 16:23.45 | tensai | findlay: for my music on hold. I really love symphony 9. |
| 16:23.57 | redbeard1 | good old symphony 9 |
| 16:24.23 | tensai | redbeard1: have you tried making tamales yet? we had ours for dinner last night. delicious. |
| 16:24.50 | redbeard1 | tensai: i haven't. i've felt really lazy lately. |
| 16:24.59 | redbeard1 | i blame central park. |
| 16:26.25 | findlay | tensai: have you not heard any of his other symphonies? |
| 16:27.03 | findlay | 6 is probably my favorite |
| 16:27.03 | tensai | findlay: I've heard 8, which is good too |
| 16:27.29 | findlay | but his 9th is of such a quality that it's in a different class than nearly all music |
| 16:27.49 | findlay | 5 is good too |
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| 16:28.59 | findlay | what symphony? |
| 16:29.07 | vontrapp | i'm back! |
| 16:29.18 | findlay | ~trap vontrapp |
| 16:29.28 | tensai | idaho falls symphony |
| 16:29.37 | tensai | now that's interesting. how did my shell script segfault? |
| 16:29.45 | emcnabb | any Postfix gurus in here? |
| 16:29.46 | vontrapp | ~welcome vontrapp |
| 16:29.47 | ibot | Welcome to the party, vontrapp! |
| 16:29.53 | vontrapp | thx ibot |
| 16:30.00 | findlay | ~party |
| 16:30.01 | ibot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
| 16:31.02 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: hey, congrats duder |
| 16:31.05 | vontrapp | geeze, something about this internet thing is really shoddy |
| 16:31.18 | vontrapp | redbeard1: thanks! |
| 16:31.19 | emcnabb | I am running two domains on one machine, each with their own NIC / IP addr. I'd like any mail sent by a user with an address of blah.org to go out of eth0, and blahblah.com to go out of eth1. The reason is right now all email is sent from one IP, and reverse DNS lookups don't match for one of the domains. |
| 16:31.24 | emcnabb | any ideas? |
| 16:32.26 | vontrapp | sounds like you'd have to have an smtp server do that kind of magic |
| 16:33.09 | emcnabb | um, yes, it is a SMTP server |
| 16:33.35 | vontrapp | oh, right |
| 16:35.17 | vontrapp | so this appartment here has only wireless internet |
| 16:35.23 | vontrapp | which kinda bums me out |
| 16:35.55 | vontrapp | i guess i will use my router to bridge the connection |
| 16:35.56 | vontrapp | but then i can't have wireless for my laptop |
| 16:36.04 | vontrapp | well, at least not through my router |
| 16:36.22 | vontrapp | e.g. not on my local network :( |
| 16:36.33 | vontrapp | as for bridging it. i would need to authenticate |
| 16:36.48 | vontrapp | any ideas for authenticating a wireless router using openwrt? |
| 16:42.55 | vontrapp | great, now i have two cords that fit the router... |
| 16:43.21 | vontrapp | what voltage does a lynksys wrt54g take? |
| 16:47.17 | vontrapp | here we go, 12 volts... |
| 16:53.36 | harleypig | any vim experts willing to give me a hand? |
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| 17:03.41 | tensai | emcnabb: I know how to do that with Exim if that makes you feel any better |
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| 17:13.35 | vontrapp | what is a kismet drone? |
| 17:13.44 | vontrapp | ~drone |
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| 17:17.49 | findlay | emcnabb: when you say domains do you mean Xen domU's or something I don't understand? |
| 17:20.06 | emcnabb | tensai: It doesn't make me feel any better :-) |
| 17:20.18 | emcnabb | findlay: DNS domain name |
| 17:20.35 | tensai | ~onjoin el_gaucho |
| 17:20.39 | tensai | ~onjoin _default el_gaucho |
| 17:20.39 | ibot | onjoin for el_gaucho set by macnewbold on Thu Aug 10 14:11:58 2006: /me leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on el_gaucho |
| 17:21.03 | tensai | ~onjoin _default el_gaucho <action> leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on el_gaucho, courtesy of macnewbold |
| 17:21.04 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 17:21.04 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:22.22 | tensai | macnewbold: how many more of those did you do? |
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| 17:22.59 | macnewbold | I didn't do very many |
| 17:23.05 | macnewbold | and most people have taken them off already |
| 17:23.12 | macnewbold | I guess there are a few who like them or something |
| 17:23.43 | tensai | I think I've fixed 3 of them |
| 17:24.27 | vontrapp | agh, i hate when less is more |
| 17:24.39 | el_gaucho | and more is less than less |
| 17:24.57 | vontrapp | exactly |
| 17:26.31 | vontrapp | so i configure my router's wireless to client mode |
| 17:26.31 | vontrapp | set the essid |
| 17:26.36 | vontrapp | and try to get an address via dhcp |
| 17:26.41 | vontrapp | but it doesn't get anything |
| 17:26.47 | vontrapp | am i missing something? |
| 17:27.35 | tensai | try setting it statically and see if that works. then you know if it's a network problem or a dhcp problem. |
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| 17:29.04 | vontrapp | Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "eth1" is a garbage. |
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| 17:30.28 | redbeard1 | that sucked |
| 17:30.29 | vontrapp | mmm |
| 17:30.38 | redbeard1 | stupid brownouts |
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| 17:33.55 | redbeard1 | a haiku: |
| 17:33.58 | redbeard1 | the power flickers |
| 17:33.58 | redbeard1 | and the cries of anguish fill |
| 17:33.58 | redbeard1 | a room full of geeks |
| 17:34.27 | vontrapp | what is "a garbage" as reported by iproute? |
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| 18:02.54 | QBFreak | redbeard1: my sister just caused one with the vacuum, thankfully I have a UPS |
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| 18:40.07 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 18:42.13 | elg | a moment of silence for pluto |
| 18:43.50 | [phoenyx] | pluto is still a dwarf planet |
| 18:44.40 | [phoenyx] | err.. dwarf binary planet... |
| 18:44.47 | [phoenyx] | what was the decision again? |
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| 18:45.40 | tensai | http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20060102/msg00111.html |
| 18:46.05 | tensai | a correct answer certainly, but hardly what the poster was looking for I'm sure |
| 18:46.05 | elg | heh |
| 18:46.21 | darkmaze | needing a challenge gentoo or slackware |
| 18:47.39 | darkmaze | which is more? |
| 18:48.57 | elg | more of a challenge? in what sense? |
| 18:49.09 | elg | challenge to sanity? challenge to your CPU? challenge to your S.O.? |
| 18:49.17 | elg | challenge to your schedule? |
| 18:49.23 | darkmaze | sanity |
| 18:49.52 | tensai | http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ |
| 18:50.12 | elg | LFS |
| 18:50.20 | darkmaze | thanx |
| 18:50.33 | tensai | contemplate why anyone would want to live in New Mexico |
| 18:50.45 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 18:51.06 | tensai | ok, it's a great place to grow hot peppers. I'll give you that. |
| 18:52.07 | elg | and sage brush |
| 18:52.18 | elg | but for some reason we don't have those cactuses that AZ has |
| 18:52.40 | elg | I just drove through AZ twice over the last week, and I can definitely say I'd rather be here than there |
| 18:52.45 | elg | such desolation |
| 18:53.06 | Tene | I wish I could find a chair that had a keyboard holder down on the outside sides. |
| 18:53.10 | elg | we drove across the entire state diagonally (NW to SE) and the whole thing was an ugly hot desert |
| 18:53.27 | Tene | I like typing with two keyboards, and that's a really comfortable place for my hands to go. |
| 18:53.42 | elg | Tene: that's fascinating. |
| 18:53.55 | elg | but I bet it wasn't intended for us |
| 18:53.57 | spr | elg, did you miss the flagstaff area then? |
| 18:54.02 | tensai | Tene: step 1, buy 3 rolls of duct tape ... |
| 18:54.10 | Tene | Heh. |
| 18:54.23 | tensai | step 2, steal underpants |
| 18:55.08 | elg | spr: didn't go through flagstaff. took 93 from Las Vegas to Phoenix |
| 18:55.20 | elg | it goes through mountaings, we must have been a good 4000 or 5000 feet much of the way |
| 18:55.36 | elg | which in new mexico means not ugly |
| 18:55.44 | elg | but we might as well have been in death valley |
| 18:57.00 | elg | no doubt there are nice areas. the grand canyon for example :) |
| 18:58.11 | levi | Mmm, ugly desert states. |
| 18:58.54 | darkmaze | at least the weather is constant |
| 18:59.06 | elg | speaking of ugly desert, las vegas is hotter and uglier than las cruces |
| 18:59.17 | elg | who'd have thunk it |
| 19:00.45 | levi | Yeah, Las Vegas is a nasty place. |
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| 19:08.50 | [phoenyx] | http://www.dontdownloadthissong.com/ |
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| 19:10.56 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 19:11.44 | spr | elg, yeah, the 93 is pretty bad. East of it it's a lot nicer (the central part of the state) |
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| 19:27.33 | elg | what about newbold? |
| 19:27.47 | Sargun | ~apple |
| 19:27.49 | ibot | apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com, or apple recently adopted the ... |
| 19:29.05 | elg | i'm really annoyed. it seems I deleted a bunch of ebooks I had downloaded for reading. I'm not sure how that happened |
| 19:29.17 | elg | they're all refindable but what a pain |
| 19:29.37 | tensai | elg you should have printed them out |
| 19:29.42 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 19:32.53 | graphyx | so how do you back up a hardcopy? |
| 19:32.55 | graphyx | scan it |
| 19:32.55 | graphyx | ? |
| 19:53.28 | emcnabb | http://leapfish.com/ |
| 19:53.35 | emcnabb | mcnabbs.org is worth $15,000 |
| 19:53.38 | emcnabb | I'm rich! |
| 19:54.33 | Sargun | really? |
| 19:54.42 | Sargun | good job. |
| 19:55.11 | graphyx | klingler.us is only worth 102. |
| 19:55.14 | graphyx | oh well. |
| 19:55.53 | Sargun | xbmodder.com is worth 315 |
| 19:55.57 | Sargun | er |
| 19:55.59 | Sargun | .us |
| 19:56.53 | emcnabb | I could buy you all out if I wanted, because... I'm rich! |
| 19:57.25 | Sargun | are you going to sell it?> |
| 19:57.44 | graphyx | someone should program a plugin for ibot to look up domain name values. |
| 19:58.00 | graphyx | and then pop them out like they do the url titles. |
| 19:58.13 | Tene | leapfish is kinda... bad at doing that. |
| 19:58.32 | graphyx | I know it's not all that accurate. |
| 19:58.49 | graphyx | I don't think I could sell klingler.us for $50 let alone $100. |
| 19:59.04 | graphyx | Unless another klingler seriously wanted to buy it. |
| 19:59.09 | emcnabb | Tene: don't make me crush you will my new state-of-the-art flying monkey army. I bought it by selling my domain |
| 19:59.34 | graphyx | emcnabb: Did you get the stainless steal option on those flying monkies? |
| 20:00.35 | emcnabb | no, titanium |
| 20:00.47 | graphyx | ok. |
| 20:01.00 | Sargun | i think mcnabbs.org could sell for 150 |
| 20:01.50 | emcnabb | Sargun: $15,000 |
| 20:01.56 | emcnabb | that's what the website says |
| 20:02.07 | emcnabb | everything on the Internet is true |
| 20:02.17 | Sargun | sure.... |
| 20:02.23 | Sargun | just like this: http://leapfish.com/analyze.php?url=eblug.org |
| 20:02.34 | Sargun | my LUG's domain couldn't sell for 5 cents. |
| 20:03.18 | Sargun | gentoo.org is worth $6,555,648.00 <-- DO NOT USE THIS VALUE! |
| 20:03.25 | emcnabb | I think part of the idea is that if a lot of search engine results point to it, it is automatically worth something because people we accidentally come to it |
| 20:03.58 | emcnabb | I don't think it's accurate, but still entertaining |
| 20:04.09 | Sargun | I am going to kill someone over at SBC |
| 20:04.37 | Sargun | stop capping my line you idiots! |
| 20:05.14 | Sargun | by capping my line, I mean excessively |
| 20:15.56 | Jayce^ | plug.org : $65,280.00 |
| 20:18.38 | Tene | x.org : $12,437,454.00 |
| 20:18.50 | harleypig | wow ... my domain is worth about 1500 |
| 20:18.59 | Jayce^ | harleypig, same with mine |
| 20:19.19 | harleypig | I don't know that I'd be willing to part with it for that though. |
| 20:19.50 | Jayce^ | hehe, and I got a link farmer who emailed me offering $100 for plug :) I had to laugh |
| 20:20.00 | Jayce^ | and sign up his email for several dozen spams |
| 20:20.04 | amcnabb | emcnabb, our site actually has some real value |
| 20:20.06 | harleypig | :] |
| 20:20.21 | amcnabb | For certain types of queries, we're considered pretty authoritative by google. |
| 20:20.40 | Jayce^ | yeah, loser, geek, dork..... among others |
| 20:20.44 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:20.46 | amcnabb | :) |
| 20:21.07 | amcnabb | If we added Google ads, we'd be terrible people, but we'd probably make some money. |
| 20:24.43 | emcnabb | then we could buy more flying monkey troops! |
| 20:25.31 | amcnabb | Does Google give you extra money if you put an ad in <h1> tags? |
| 20:25.37 | amcnabb | That wouldn't be too obnoxious. |
| 20:26.05 | emcnabb | <blink>how about blink?</blink> |
| 20:26.13 | harleypig | heh ... harleypigprogramming.com is worth $21 |
| 20:26.17 | amcnabb | That would be awesome. |
| 20:32.27 | rsimpkins | I had a child actress try to buy mine (ryansimpkins.com). |
| 20:33.41 | findlay | reminds me of a site I saw recently where they must have forgotton to close the blink tag because the whole page was blinking |
| 20:33.55 | findlay | must have been on myspace or something |
| 20:34.26 | Tene | myspace is like goatse for web designers. |
| 20:34.40 | findlay | truly |
| 20:34.47 | Jayce^ | Tene++ |
| 20:34.59 | redbeard1 | Tene++ |
| 20:35.06 | Tene | That's not an original quote. I read it somewhere else, maybe /. |
| 20:35.40 | emcnabb | do web browsers even honor the blink tag any more? |
| 20:35.41 | Tene | </fulldisclosure> |
| 20:36.06 | findlay | it's like blinking Christmas lights |
| 20:36.48 | redbeard1 | wow. josephhall.com is worth a couple grand |
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| 20:43.36 | sjansen | So... |
| 20:43.54 | sjansen | Back in April I moved out of my old apartment. |
| 20:44.37 | emcnabb | And you forgot your stuff? |
| 20:44.39 | sjansen | Four months later I still haven't been given a refund of my deposit. They have, however, finally mailed me something. |
| 20:44.59 | Tene | What did they mail you? |
| 20:44.59 | sjansen | The want another months worth of rent. |
| 20:45.03 | Tene | Ouch. |
| 20:45.36 | emcnabb | sjansen: did you charge them for the hours you spent calling the cops on the neighbors? |
| 20:45.43 | sjansen | My contract officially ended in March. I went month-to-month for April. Moved out April 15th. They want May's rent. |
| 20:45.57 | Tene | an Apartment Agent friend of mine was just soliciting questions about situations like that for her new blog. |
| 20:46.13 | sjansen | Tene: I've got more than a couple of stories for her. |
| 20:46.36 | Tene | http://www.rent-chitown.com/ |
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| 20:54.28 | emcnabb | it looks like the apartment owner's thugs just took sjansen out |
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| 20:55.00 | amcnabb | It could have been my thugs. |
| 20:55.20 | elg | ~thug amcnabb |
| 20:57.04 | elg | ooh, apple is recalling batteries. |
| 21:00.08 | elg | it's starting to show less life, and a fresh one would be just peachy :) |
| 21:00.12 | emcnabb | ~fire elg |
| 21:00.13 | ibot | I'm sorry, elg, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 21:00.16 | emcnabb | ~burn |
| 21:00.17 | ibot | "And it burns burns burns... the ring of fire..." |
| 21:00.20 | elg | ~cook emcnabb |
| 21:00.21 | ibot | ACTION throws emcnabb in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks emcnabb on 350 for an hour |
| 21:00.27 | emcnabb | ~scorch |
| 21:00.30 | emcnabb | ~scorch elg |
| 21:00.33 | Tene | ~sjansen emcnabb |
| 21:00.37 | ibot | ACTION tells emcnabb good things about sjansen |
| 21:00.42 | emcnabb | Tene: that's not funny |
| 21:01.47 | Tene | So, debian... |
| 21:02.08 | Tene | Someone was just talking about the latest kernel-source package in debian being 2.6.8, but there being later kernel-image packages. |
| 21:04.56 | Tene | That seems very strange to me |
| 21:05.16 | elg | blast my serial number doesn't match |
| 21:06.43 | amcnabb | elg, my battery was recalled a year and a half ago. |
| 21:06.52 | amcnabb | It's still working fine, so I'm postponing replacement. :) |
| 21:06.52 | elg | yeah, mine wasn't one of those either |
| 21:07.15 | elg | my battery is friggin perfect and will die of old age and I'll have to buy a new one. :( |
| 21:07.47 | amcnabb | It's all about buying at the right time. :) |
| 21:08.03 | rsimpkins | Anyone here run freenet? |
| 21:08.17 | elg | i bought within the timeframe of this recall, and my serial is not far out of the range |
| 21:08.20 | elg | but it is out |
| 21:08.30 | amcnabb | too bad |
| 21:08.34 | amcnabb | Better luck next time. |
| 21:09.11 | amcnabb | I really am lucky that I have a battery that could explode. |
| 21:10.49 | elg | ;-) |
| 21:15.21 | emcnabb | elg: I can't believe you didn't buy a laptop at the right time to get the replacement battery down the road; where's the planning? |
| 21:15.32 | emcnabb | don't you think about the future? |
| 21:15.37 | elg | I was blinded by greed |
| 21:15.52 | emcnabb | You were. Repent. |
| 21:15.57 | elg | ok |
| 21:16.01 | elg | ~greed emcnabb |
| 21:16.27 | elg | what a selfless bot |
| 21:22.36 | findlay | ~repent elg |
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| 21:58.00 | Supaplex | Jayce^: the airport card works wonders :) |
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| 22:05.43 | findlay | ~work wonders |
| 22:05.47 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of wonders to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so wonders can play bzflag |
| 22:07.18 | Sargun | Fobio! |
| 22:10.59 | dilvie | w00t |
| 22:11.05 | dilvie | building my new computer |
| 22:11.08 | dilvie | bubye! |
| 22:11.09 | dilvie | =) |
| 22:11.16 | dilvie | gotta canabalize this one for parts. |
| 22:11.18 | dilvie | =P |
| 22:12.30 | Sargun | is it a bad thing when your drill's magic smoke comes out? |
| 22:14.43 | findlay | what kind of drill? |
| 22:17.20 | Sargun | Black and Decker battery operated 12Volt |
| 22:18.12 | findlay | well if I had it I'd get a gear puller or whatever pull the chuck off so you can get to the transmission and motor |
| 22:18.40 | Sargun | ah, I got it for free, I'll just warranty it |
| 22:18.45 | Sargun | I have a wired one here too |
| 22:18.46 | findlay | although mechanical/electrical components aren't as modular these days, sadly, and that makes it hard to disassemble/reassemble stuff |
| 22:19.10 | Sargun | I've dissassembled drills before, and its a pain in the ass |
| 22:19.18 | Sargun | too many safety systems |
| 22:21.16 | rsimpkins | There is a place in logan that does drill repair. |
| 22:21.24 | Sargun | uhh... |
| 22:21.27 | rsimpkins | I imagine there are a millino such places in CA. |
| 22:21.44 | findlay | ~uhh |
| 22:22.02 | Sargun | rsimpkins, I might go down to san francisco, to get it fixed |
| 22:22.05 | Sargun | but its a cheapy |
| 22:31.53 | nick125_lappy | might cost more to repair then its worth |
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| 23:31.48 | elg | well whatdyaknow |
| 23:32.00 | elg | the guy that discovered pluto was a prof here at nmsu |
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| 23:33.54 | elg | well whatdyaknow, the guy that discovered pluto was a prof here at nmsu |
| 23:34.58 | findlay | you said that already |
| 23:44.39 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 23:46.30 | graphyx | Did I just hear a parrot in here? |
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| 23:52.06 | rsimpkins | Did I just hear a parrot in here? |
| 23:52.15 | graphyx | -lark rsimpkins |
| 23:52.19 | graphyx | GAH!!! |
| 23:52.22 | graphyx | that was bad.. |
| 23:52.29 | graphyx | -lart rsimpkins |