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| 00:27.10 | Sargun | Would someone make an ice bath? |
| 00:27.10 | Sargun | I wonder if there any places in the bay area that off ice baths. |
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| 00:29.59 | Sargun | how do you arrange offering an official loan/credit report |
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| 00:30.40 | Sargun | Like, if I wanna offer an employee a credit line, how do I put it in their credit report |
| 00:31.35 | macnewbold | why might you want to do that? |
| 00:31.45 | Sargun | well a) to enhance their credit score |
| 00:31.59 | Sargun | or if they screw me over b) to kill their credit score |
| 00:32.09 | macnewbold | usually only lending institutions offer credit lines |
| 00:32.23 | Sargun | then how do companies like dell do it? |
| 00:32.40 | macnewbold | and they'd have to owe you money of some kind in order for you to put bad stuff in their credit report |
| 00:33.04 | Sargun | yeah |
| 00:33.08 | Sargun | and enhancing it? |
| 00:33.54 | Sargun | hypothetical: I have an employee who doesn't have credit/credit score, how do I help them establish one |
| 00:34.01 | Sargun | because they need it immediately. |
| 00:34.14 | Sargun | crap, I forget the name of the firm that does this. |
| 00:34.57 | Sargun | Do you know the company that I'm talking about? |
| 00:35.07 | atoponce | Sargun: you need to be in contact with experian, equifax and transunion |
| 00:35.17 | Sargun | atoponce, thanks |
| 00:36.10 | Sargun | atoponce, have you done this before? |
| 00:36.33 | atoponce | no. i used to be a loan officer for rc willey |
| 00:37.09 | atoponce | not sure how to set it up, but those credit agencies charge to report to them |
| 00:40.19 | atoponce | and unless you plan on providing your own financing, you'll also need to get setup through a bank for the loans |
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| 01:17.19 | levi_home | Gah, Wife Swap is such a train wreck of a show. |
| 01:17.37 | atoponce | yes it is. any reality tv is a train wreck |
| 01:18.25 | levi_home | Well, some are more so than others. |
| 01:23.49 | levi_home | So, what's everyone up to? |
| 01:24.11 | levi_home | It's been quiet here and on the PLUG list lately. |
| 01:25.20 | QBFreak | levi_home: you didn't actually try to watch that stuff did you? |
| 01:25.53 | levi_home | QBFreak: No, my wife is the reality TV watcher here, now that she's run out of Star Trek: Voyager episodes to watch. |
| 01:26.00 | QBFreak | ah |
| 01:40.10 | levi_home | I just hear the train wreck from the other room. |
| 01:41.26 | levi_home | There's a wacked-out family that lives in the middle of nowhere in a huge treehouse, and a couple of Harvard graduates that run their family like a business. |
| 02:06.47 | levi_home | Whoa, my wife made some orange-flavored popcorn. |
| 02:16.57 | findlay | (-: |
| 02:17.14 | findlay | :-) |
| 02:17.25 | levi_home | Another whoa: Java could be getting closures. |
| 02:17.37 | findlay | that last one was for maquis |
| 02:25.40 | levi_home | I doubt maquis is watching what's going on here right now. ;) |
| 02:26.00 | levi_home | Whew, my wife thinks the orange popcorn is disgusting too. |
| 02:26.09 | hans | hehe |
| 02:26.21 | hans | ~lart tens |
| 02:27.02 | findlay | http://www.ohloh.net/opensource/software/krnl_linux |
| 02:27.06 | findlay | wow |
| 02:27.50 | findlay | so I'm guessing my computer is worth well over $100 M |
| 02:28.26 | findlay | I think tonight I'm going to go to town with gentoo and emerge the entire portage tree |
| 02:29.04 | findlay | for package in $(/usr/portage/*/*/*.ebuild) ; do emerge $package ; done |
| 02:29.47 | findlay | then I'll have something close to a billion worth of software on this sucker and then I can go after free software freeloaders everywhere |
| 02:30.07 | findlay | and charge like, oh, say $600 per computer-person |
| 02:30.39 | findlay | but at the same time I'd have to go after the big corporations with the deep pockets to realize some early gains for my shareholders |
| 02:31.11 | levi_home | ~commit findlay |
| 02:31.41 | findlay | it is left as an excercize to the creative reader to figure out what a computer-person is |
| 02:31.46 | levi_home | (to the asylum) |
| 02:38.50 | rsimpkins | hans: Still about? |
| 02:40.12 | hans | that depends |
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| 02:59.06 | findlay | does anyone think that having high UID/GID values for a user is more secure? |
| 03:00.02 | findlay | kind of like how most malbots out there don't waste their time on very high ports |
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| 03:29.13 | findlay | ssi is so 1996 |
| 03:38.24 | levi_home | ssi? |
| 03:38.40 | findlay | ~ssi |
| 03:38.47 | ibot | ssi is, like, a bus type,Small Scale Integration |
| 03:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Server Side Includes |
| 03:38.56 | tristanbob | server side includes |
| 03:39.02 | findlay | ibot: ssi is also server side include |
| 03:39.03 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 03:40.28 | levi_home | Oh, I thought you might have meant the old computer game company. |
| 03:40.45 | tristanbob | levi_home: you mean those RPGs? |
| 03:41.03 | levi_home | Yup. |
| 03:41.18 | levi_home | Mmmm, Pool of Radiance. |
| 03:41.34 | tristanbob | wow, I think that is game I had |
| 03:41.42 | tristanbob | on floppies, of course |
| 03:42.08 | levi_home | 'Twas a cool game. |
| 03:42.11 | tristanbob | similar to ultima underworld game-format, if I remember right |
| 03:42.35 | levi_home | I thought ultima underworld was a first-person 3d game. |
| 03:43.11 | tristanbob | my memory may not be that clear |
| 03:43.12 | levi_home | PoR came along way before Ultima Underworld. |
| 03:43.19 | tristanbob | right |
| 03:43.46 | levi_home | PoR was 1988. |
| 03:46.04 | levi_home | Ultima was still at Ultima V back then. |
| 03:47.27 | rsimpkins | How old are you guys? |
| 03:49.11 | maquis | ok... so, that sets a record |
| 03:50.21 | hans | maquis: wha? |
| 03:50.26 | maquis | so, my fiance and i were just driving down near novell, and we noticed that the truck in front of us had license plate of "SCO" |
| 03:50.41 | maquis | big black truck riding really high |
| 03:50.54 | hans | did you rear-end it? |
| 03:51.31 | maquis | no... we tried to follow it a bit, but they were driving way over the speed limit, and i had to get back by 9:30 (i'm staying at a hotel with my parents til tomorrow morning) |
| 03:52.04 | hans | did you do your civic duty and tattle them to the cops for speeding? |
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| 03:57.55 | maquis | hans: no... should've |
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| 03:58.35 | hans | well, they can't ticket unless they actually clock them, and sending someone out to hopefully catch one guy speeding is probably not worth it, so ... |
| 03:58.47 | hans | but you should have at least thought about it. |
| 03:58.57 | MScool | anyone here that knows anything about JAVA and different platforms? |
| 03:59.37 | hans | yeah, stay away from platforms. they may make you taller but they just aren't worth it |
| 03:59.40 | hans | same goes for java |
| 03:59.58 | MScool | Well....not so much...However, thanks anyways. |
| 04:00.14 | hans | happy to oblige |
| 04:00.27 | MScool | Anyone else? |
| 04:01.26 | harleypig | Ok, this is truly wierd ... after using kismet to sniff the connection attempts of my 770, it connected just fine. It seems to be continuing to connect just fine. |
| 04:02.03 | harleypig | It's almost like it went 'woops ... someone is paying attention, better get to work now' |
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| 04:02.11 | harleypig | btw, kismet is *COOL* ... I thought we had 3 or 4 networks ... kismet sniffed out about 10! |
| 04:02.40 | harleypig | From the names, about half are in my ward. None protected at *all* ... I'm sooooo tempted. |
| 04:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kismet is awesome |
| 04:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | kismet_drone is equally if not more awesome |
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| 04:26.55 | harleypig | what is drone? |
| 04:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Little small version of it |
| 04:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Made to run on embedded devices |
| 04:27.16 | harleypig | Also, can you tell me why I lose my connection when I start using kismet? |
| 04:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You can connect the GUI to it over TCP/IP |
| 04:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 04:27.23 | harleypig | Oh ... like 770 |
| 04:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it reconfigures the NIC to listen to ALL traffic |
| 04:27.34 | harleypig | nice |
| 04:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And likewise, in that mode, it's unable to send |
| 04:27.48 | harleypig | ah ... makes sense |
| 04:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | When it's not listening to everything, it's typically software/firmware locked to a specific channel and SSID |
| 04:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Start sniffing, that goes away, along with your ability to transmit |
| 04:29.16 | harleypig | So, is it possible somehow that using kismet allowed my tablet to connect? |
| 04:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Doubtful |
| 04:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | it typically resets the wifi NIC to it's previous state upon exit |
| 04:30.23 | harleypig | That's what I thought ... well, I was running kismet on my laptop. It was literally less than 5 miutes since my last attempt to connect to the network from my tablet ... |
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| 04:30.43 | harleypig | I was unable to connect, installed and ran kismet and was able to connect |
| 04:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Try setting it all up by hand, ie without distro start scripts |
| 04:30.55 | harleypig | I've been trying to connect to my netwrok from my tablet for 3 days now. |
| 04:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ifconfig wifi0 up; iwconfig wifi0 essid blah mode managed enc biglonghexkeygoeshere; dhclient wifi0 |
| 04:32.24 | levi_home | rsimpkins: I will be 30 in less than a month. |
| 04:32.47 | harleypig | ScytheBlade1: I don't have a command promp |
| 04:32.48 | harleypig | t |
| 04:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | harleypig, what OS are you running? |
| 04:33.14 | harleypig | It's a modified debian called maemo |
| 04:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ethernet available? |
| 04:33.57 | harleypig | No, just usb cable, but I haven't had time to try and get usbnet working |
| 04:34.09 | harleypig | although ... I think there is a vncserver for it ... |
| 04:34.10 | ScytheBlade1 | usbnet kinda sucks. I spent hours on it. |
| 04:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | if it works post using kismet, it sounds like it's not being brought up correctly |
| 04:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I really, really recommend that you get a console of sorts and do it by hand just to see :) |
| 04:35.52 | harleypig | No, I don't have to run kismet any more ... it just started working after I ran kismet the first time, on my laptop ... |
| 04:36.04 | harleypig | I didn't have kismet on my tablet at all |
| 04:36.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Completly unrelated then? |
| 04:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's nothing short of... |
| 04:36.18 | harleypig | this is a nokia 770 tablet |
| 04:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | completly common for a computer ;) |
| 04:36.23 | harleypig | yeah, I now |
| 04:36.29 | harleypig | s/now/know/ |
| 04:36.46 | harleypig | I didn't even have to kill a chicken or rub blue mud in my belly button |
| 04:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 04:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Lucky |
| 04:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I still have memories of the tar... and the... yeah... that I had to sacrifice to get my SATA working |
| 04:38.50 | harleypig | heh |
| 04:57.29 | tensai | -lart hans |
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| 05:01.48 | ibot | onjoin for wps_ set by macnewbold on Thu Aug 10 21:44:28 2006: /me points at wps_ and laughs at his underscore! |
| 05:02.30 | tensai | ~onjoin _default wps_ <action> points at wps_ and laughs at his underscore, courtesy of macnewbold |
| 05:02.30 | ibot | tensai: ok |
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| 12:45.17 | graphyx | morning |
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| 13:38.02 | redbeard1 | oof |
| 13:48.32 | levi | Morning. |
| 13:49.58 | redbeard1 | morning |
| 13:50.07 | levi | How's it going? |
| 13:50.14 | redbeard1 | "oof" |
| 13:50.21 | levi | That good, eh? |
| 13:50.34 | redbeard1 | so, a couple of week ago, i had oral sugery |
| 13:50.43 | levi | Oh, yeah, I remember. Ow. |
| 13:50.43 | redbeard1 | s/su/sur/ |
| 13:51.10 | redbeard1 | the first couple of days i was pretty naseous. they had to prescribe another med to keep me from getting sick |
| 13:51.38 | levi | Can't hold your narcotics, eh? |
| 13:51.45 | redbeard1 | after a few days, it all pretty much settled down, and the only med i'm still on is an antibiotic, which i only have a couple more of |
| 13:52.11 | redbeard1 | it's weird, because i've had hydrocodone plenty of times before, even recently, and it's never made me naseous |
| 13:52.52 | redbeard1 | anyway, i ran out of hydrocodone a week ago, so of course i haven't been sick at all |
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| 13:53.15 | redbeard1 | until this morning... walking through harmons, picking up some breakfast, i just got slammed all of a sudden |
| 13:53.44 | levi | That sounds unpleasant. |
| 13:53.56 | redbeard1 | i managed to make it to work without losing it, but it's been a rough morning |
| 13:54.57 | redbeard1 | but hey, there is good news |
| 13:55.35 | levi | You're sending me a cheesecake? |
| 13:55.41 | levi | How thoughtful! |
| 13:56.14 | redbeard1 | the cure have been rereleasing their albums in chronilogical order, each with a second disc of bonus material |
| 13:56.33 | redbeard1 | last night i came across this one, which seems to have slid under the radar: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GGSM9E/ |
| 13:57.37 | redbeard1 | i had a couple of other things i was going to buy, but i put them back so that i could get this one instead |
| 13:58.00 | redbeard1 | i'm pretty excited about it |
| 13:58.52 | levi | I would have preferred the cheesecake, but that sounds cool too. ;) |
| 13:59.19 | redbeard1 | cheesecake would be good |
| 13:59.29 | redbeard1 | i don't think i could handle it right now tho |
| 13:59.43 | redbeard1 | i'm tempted to just go back home and go to bed |
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| 14:03.33 | levi | Mmmm, bed. |
| 14:03.47 | redbeard1 | brb |
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| 14:10.21 | redbeard1 | this is one of the times that i _really_ wish i didn't have to run windows on my work computer |
| 14:10.34 | redbeard1 | i'm glad i have a notebook to bring ubuntu too and keep me sane |
| 14:11.01 | atoponce | redbeard1: where do you work? |
| 14:11.16 | redbeard1 | united online |
| 14:11.40 | redbeard1 | i'm in qa, so i have to do a lot of testing in ie |
| 14:11.43 | atoponce | never heard of them |
| 14:11.54 | atoponce | ouch |
| 14:12.05 | redbeard1 | united online = netzero, classmates, mypoints, mysite, etc |
| 14:12.42 | redbeard1 | fortunately, most of my testing can be done in firefox |
| 14:12.51 | atoponce | ahh |
| 14:14.14 | atoponce | the scrolling image at the top of the site is annoying :) |
| 14:14.21 | redbeard1 | but this is the computer i use for music. and this morning windows arbitrarily decided that my mp3 drive was going to be G: instead of E: |
| 14:14.28 | redbeard1 | which site? |
| 14:14.41 | atoponce | untd.com |
| 14:15.10 | redbeard1 | yeah, that is kind of annoying isn't it? |
| 14:15.17 | redbeard1 | those californians sure are funny |
| 14:15.49 | atoponce | not a bad looking site otherwise |
| 14:16.13 | redbeard1 | i'm at the mysite division with jayce and harley |
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| 14:18.16 | atoponce | my windows pc at work fails to recognize the F: as a mapped network drive, so anything i plug in, gets that letter. it's annoying |
| 14:18.17 | redbeard1 | that sucks |
| 14:18.38 | redbeard1 | i wouldn't mind the drive letters changing around, except that my media library in winamp is expecting drive E: |
| 14:18.41 | atoponce | the joys of windows |
| 14:18.44 | redbeard1 | indeed |
| 14:19.20 | atoponce | luckily, i am allowed to have a 2nd pc, of which ubuntu is installed. i use it 10:1 compared to my windows box |
| 14:19.28 | atoponce | with synergy of course |
| 14:20.03 | redbeard1 | yeah, i keep my ubuntu notebook nearby, and use it instead of my win box on a regular basis |
| 14:20.07 | redbeard1 | no synergy tho |
| 14:20.15 | atoponce | you like winamp? you should check out zinf. it's a good player, and open source to boot |
| 14:21.01 | redbeard1 | one of my big things about mp3 players is the playlist. if it doesn't have a decent playlist, it's not even worth considering. and i like winamp's playlist. |
| 14:21.16 | redbeard1 | in linux, i use xmms, because it has the same playlist |
| 14:22.21 | atoponce | xmms is good. i still prefer amaroK though. love the lyrics and the jacket covers features. :) |
| 14:22.54 | redbeard1 | it's all about the playlist for me. i'm usually too busy to pay attention to anything else |
| 14:23.05 | graphyx | redbeard1: When I worked for securitymetrics, I had worked with unitedonline doing tech support. |
| 14:23.38 | redbeard1 | graphyx: oh yeah? how did that go over? |
| 14:23.55 | graphyx | redbeard1: They bought a couple IDSes from SecurityMetrics. |
| 14:24.10 | redbeard1 | IDS? |
| 14:24.11 | graphyx | can't recall names, but I was up there on campus for a couple hours. |
| 14:24.17 | graphyx | Intrusion Detection System |
| 14:26.20 | redbeard1 | interesting |
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| 14:49.22 | emcnabb | bbythewa: are you alive? |
| 14:53.09 | [phoenyx] | guess not |
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| 15:10.56 | tensai | atoponce: amarok good |
| 15:11.15 | levi | amarok is the only kde program I've got installed. |
| 15:21.05 | goozbach | what's that lib that gives bash all the fancy ctrl-blah tricks? |
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| 15:37.32 | bbythewa | emcnabb: yep, I'm alive |
| 15:38.05 | emcnabb | goozbach: readline? |
| 15:38.14 | emcnabb | bbythewa: good to hear :-) |
| 15:38.15 | goozbach | maybe |
| 15:39.13 | emcnabb | bbythewa: what have you been up to these days? |
| 15:39.26 | [phoenyx] | bbythewa: how's that fat bottom line? |
| 15:39.40 | bbythewa | [phoenyx]: nice and comfy :-) |
| 15:39.49 | bbythewa | just been working, mostly |
| 15:40.02 | bbythewa | my wife and I had a little girl about a month ago |
| 15:40.09 | emcnabb | congrats! |
| 15:40.12 | bbythewa | so that's what we've been up with lately :-) |
| 15:40.23 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 15:40.27 | emcnabb | we have a baby on the way this Feb - we'll find out the gender on Friday |
| 15:40.52 | emcnabb | late nights? |
| 15:41.23 | bbythewa | yeah, she likes to eat when she wants to eat |
| 15:41.38 | bbythewa | luckily my wife takes most of the night feedings. I'll usually help out, though |
| 15:41.49 | emcnabb | cool |
| 15:42.02 | emcnabb | are you still working for Deseret Book? |
| 15:42.10 | tensai | that's awesome. with my nec pbx, if the admin is editing a voicemail box and someone tries to leave that person a message the phone system just says "I'm sorry, I can't talk to you now. Please call back later." |
| 15:42.25 | tensai | and then it hangs up |
| 15:42.47 | bbythewa | emcnabb: I'm working for a new company, a marketing company out of california |
| 15:43.03 | bbythewa | they have 3 of us working here in utah. Small company, only like 12 employees |
| 15:43.12 | emcnabb | awesome; what are you doing? |
| 15:43.19 | bbythewa | web dev still |
| 15:43.23 | bbythewa | ruby on rails stuff |
| 15:43.27 | bbythewa | some sys admin |
| 15:45.44 | emcnabb | cool |
| 15:46.29 | [phoenyx] | bbythewa: alicia came back to DB, she's working with Deann in the call center |
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| 15:47.38 | bbythewa | [phoenyx]: no way, that's amazing |
| 15:47.52 | bbythewa | isn't that quite a step down? |
| 15:48.20 | graphyx | bbythewa: I hope you guys updated RoR recently. |
| 15:48.27 | graphyx | They had a serious flaw exposed. |
| 15:49.08 | emcnabb | you better watch our or graphyx is going to hax u! |
| 15:49.16 | [phoenyx] | bbythewa: she wanted a part-time job to pay for school |
| 15:50.30 | bbythewa | yeah, we've been upgrading |
| 15:50.49 | graphyx | emcnabb: Stop being silly. I only hack when I have got a contract and I'm getting paid by the company that I am targetting. ;) |
| 15:52.33 | graphyx | But one of my friends from #security had his site hacked like 18 hours after disclosure of the RoR flaw. |
| 15:53.43 | bbythewa | graphyx: interesting. From my quick read of the flaw it seemed like the most that could happen is a hacker could DoS you |
| 15:53.52 | bbythewa | guess it could be more than that |
| 15:54.08 | graphyx | Yes it apparently is more than just a DoS error. |
| 15:56.06 | [phoenyx] | from the announcement: "Other URLs can even cause data loss" |
| 16:04.51 | goozbach | thanks emcnabb |
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| 16:24.40 | emcnabb | goozbach: np |
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| 17:10.28 | findlay | Jayce^, harleypig: what do you think of HTML::Seamstress? |
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| 17:19.43 | Sargun | RoR? |
| 17:20.28 | redbeard1 | Jayce^ was telling me fun stuff this morning about RoR |
| 17:20.50 | redbeard1 | that fun little security issue they found |
| 17:21.38 | macnewbold | ~RoR |
| 17:21.45 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ror is Ruby on Rails, or the best thing since tomatoes, onion, lime and cilantro |
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| 17:22.53 | redbeard1 | http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2006/8/9/rails-1-1-5-mandatory-security-patch-and-other-tidbits |
| 17:27.47 | [phoenyx] | http://weblog.rubyonrails.com/2006/8/10/rails-1-1-6-backports-and-full-disclosure |
| 17:49.29 | tensai | netcat rocks |
| 17:49.43 | graphyx | indeed |
| 17:49.54 | tensai | just thought I would remind everyone |
| 17:54.25 | findlay | tensai: you are only too right |
| 17:57.38 | redbeard1 | netcat? |
| 17:57.53 | redbeard1 | wasn't that the old radio shack barcode reader? |
| 17:58.02 | redbeard1 | no, wait. that was cuecat. my bad. |
| 17:59.05 | findlay | netcat, wireshark: OSS is being infiltrated subliminally by animal-rights agendas |
| 18:00.05 | redbeard1 | freakin' animal rights folk |
| 18:00.34 | harleypig | findlay: You were asking me someting? |
| 18:00.34 | redbeard1 | they need to be beat like a... a dead horse! |
| 18:01.10 | harleypig | Oh, I see it. |
| 18:01.43 | harleypig | I've only vaguely heard of HTML::S ... just a minute whil I look it up a |
| 18:02.31 | graphyx | redbeard1: Netcat is a easy to use TCP/IP socket program. |
| 18:02.39 | graphyx | UDP as well. |
| 18:02.59 | graphyx | open ports, listen on ports, bind to the input/output of a program. (Like cmd.exe) |
| 18:03.32 | graphyx | you can use it to send a file between two systems. |
| 18:03.40 | graphyx | really cool proggy. |
| 18:04.00 | Sargun_screen | hi |
| 18:04.08 | Sargun_screen | ftp/SCP you mean? |
| 18:04.13 | Sargun_screen | I love Netcat |
| 18:04.30 | Sargun_screen | Its like a wormhole maker (in the internet) |
| 18:04.32 | roving_prole | so could you use it to say, communicate with webpages using pipes? |
| 18:04.58 | Sargun_screen | roving_prole: yeah, but then what are programming languages for? |
| 18:05.15 | Sargun_screen | I mean parsing a webpage in bash |
| 18:05.16 | graphyx | roving_prole: Since it is a socket program, if you put together a script that would communicate over the tunnel, then yes. |
| 18:05.17 | Sargun_screen | ... |
| 18:05.27 | graphyx | netcat is the connection. |
| 18:05.31 | graphyx | You do whatever else you want. |
| 18:05.32 | Sargun_screen | graphyx: nc doesn't make tunnels, does it? |
| 18:05.43 | graphyx | figurative tunnel. |
| 18:05.47 | Sargun_screen | Ack, whats the SSL version of NC called? |
| 18:05.52 | graphyx | snetcat |
| 18:05.55 | Sargun_screen | yeah |
| 18:06.02 | graphyx | for windows at least. |
| 18:06.22 | graphyx | otherwise just use netcat and stunnel |
| 18:06.38 | Sargun_screen | nc.exe, and snc? |
| 18:07.17 | Sargun_screen | 700 bucks for a T3 |
| 18:07.27 | Sargun_screen | how is a T3 the same price as a T1? |
| 18:07.35 | Sargun_screen | I have no idea how that works. |
| 18:08.19 | Sargun_screen | er |
| 18:08.37 | Sargun_screen | actually T1 has only 200 dollar setup (for router, whereas T3 has $1500 of equipment) |
| 18:10.12 | Sargun_screen | I should stop babbling |
| 18:10.25 | roving_prole | but if $700 is per month, that's a steal |
| 18:10.45 | Sargun_screen | roving_prole: he.net bandwidth, and xo.net aggregator |
| 18:11.18 | Sargun_screen | me (12 miles)-> XO -> he.net (20 bucks) |
| 18:11.38 | Sargun_screen | roving_prole: I need 5 people to split it between |
| 18:11.43 | Sargun_screen | 9 mbit/sec each *drool* |
| 18:12.01 | Sargun_screen | for 140 a month |
| 18:12.10 | Sargun_screen | burst upto 45 mbit/sec |
| 18:12.30 | Sargun_screen | doesn't comcraptic offer 8 mbit/sec for like 60 a month? |
| 18:13.01 | roving_prole | yeah, but UL speed still doesn't handle voice very well |
| 18:13.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 384kbit up |
| 18:13.17 | Sargun_screen | ScytheBlade1: hahaha |
| 18:13.23 | Sargun_screen | I get better than that on my DSL line |
| 18:13.26 | Sargun_screen | and |
| 18:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 18:13.31 | Sargun_screen | I'm 11k from the CO |
| 18:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the advantage DSL has over cable. |
| 18:13.53 | Sargun_screen | And I'll have IPv6, and multicast *duel-drool* |
| 18:13.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an inherent technology limitation thing more than most anything else for the area |
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| 18:14.25 | Sargun_screen | I wonder if I can convince anyone else in the business complex to split it for me |
| 18:14.26 | Sargun_screen | er |
| 18:14.27 | Sargun_screen | with |
| 18:15.41 | roving_prole | you could do like my old roommate did- asked each neighbor if they wanted to split the cost in half, and both accepted so he paid nothing ;) |
| 18:16.29 | roving_prole | not very honest, but certainly enterprising |
| 18:16.32 | findlay | the advantages of ipv6 are meritless with no complete rollout across a network |
| 18:17.13 | graphyx | roving_prole: Isn't that essentially what ISPs that host do? |
| 18:17.13 | findlay | across the intarwebs |
| 18:17.30 | graphyx | roving_prole: They have customers pay for the bandwidth and then use it themselves.. |
| 18:17.50 | roving_prole | graphyx: you have a point |
| 18:18.31 | graphyx | roving_prole: So with that in mind, he is just like a mini AOL. |
| 18:18.40 | roving_prole | except his neighbors both thought the bandwidth was being split two ways, not three |
| 18:18.50 | graphyx | DId he say it was only being split 2x? |
| 18:19.04 | graphyx | DSL will oversell bandwidth 10:1 |
| 18:19.04 | roving_prole | yeah, just he and the neighbor that agreed |
| 18:19.10 | roving_prole | they both thought that |
| 18:19.17 | graphyx | Oh... Well that was a bit unethical then. |
| 18:19.25 | graphyx | Should have said, I"ll share it instead of split it. |
| 18:19.32 | harleypig | findlay, if understand the concept, HTML::S is claiming to take cgi to the next level |
| 18:19.40 | graphyx | since split is implying an equal division. |
| 18:19.41 | harleypig | err ... that's CGI.pm |
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| 18:24.56 | findlay | graphyx: so the ISPs are complaining about "freeloaders" when they themselves are the guilty party over selling and freeloading |
| 18:31.54 | graphyx | findlay: They are mad about "freeloaders" because it hurts one of their basic business model assumptions. |
| 18:31.54 | graphyx | That people will buy bandwidth that they don't use. |
| 18:31.56 | graphyx | And the closer you get to maximizing the usage of the supposed bandwidth you paid for, the less money they make in the differential. |
| 18:32.05 | graphyx | It's like a retainer fee for lawyers. |
| 18:32.06 | graphyx | If you don't use their services in for the period of the retainer, they get free money. |
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| 18:32.16 | findlay | graphyx: sounds like the business is about to change |
| 18:32.17 | graphyx | well bandwidth is getting cheaper. |
| 18:32.17 | findlay | is it really? |
| 18:32.18 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 18:32.21 | findlay | I always thought that bandwidth was fundamentally expensive |
| 18:32.21 | findlay | so expensive that installation had to be government subsidized |
| 18:32.22 | graphyx | For some reason here we were able to get a 50km 10gbps line for the same price as a 50km 1gbps link |
| 18:32.23 | graphyx | so we got 10x the bandwidth for the same price for that contract. |
| 18:32.23 | graphyx | The most expensive part of bandwidth is the last mile. |
| 18:32.24 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:32.25 | graphyx | Since there is more "last mile" to do than the rest of the network put together. |
| 18:32.26 | tensai | every time we renew our bandwidth contracts we get either more for the same price, or the same for less, or sometimes more bandwidth for less $$$ |
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| 18:32.34 | findlay | so is the internet bandwidth saturation via rich services even a crisis? |
| 18:33.15 | tensai | as graphyx indicated, it's mainly a problem in the last mile. I hear there's still a ton of dark fiber left, so the backbone is just peachy. |
| 18:33.22 | findlay | that does shift the center of argument |
| 18:34.48 | findlay | harleypig: have you used CGI.pm? |
| 18:35.07 | harleypig | yeah |
| 18:37.45 | javert42 | Does anybody here know how to remove items from the "System" menu in Gnome (Suspend and Shut Down..)? Or maybe just a clue of where to look? |
| 18:37.49 | harleypig | That was probably to broad a generalization. |
| 18:37.52 | harleypig | But that was my first thought while reading the docs |
| 18:43.02 | harleypig | Hmmm ... interesting idea ... |
| 18:45.54 | findlay | javert42: gmenu-simple-editor |
| 18:46.21 | javert42 | findlay: Can that do system-wide changes, or is it just for the individual user? |
| 18:46.25 | findlay | harleypig: seamstress seems a lot like CGI |
| 18:46.34 | findlay | javert42: probably just for one user |
| 18:46.59 | javert42 | findlay: Well, I suppose it's a start. Thanks. |
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| 18:49.08 | javert42 | findlay: I don't see entries for Suspend or Shut Down. Where did you see it? |
| 18:49.19 | findlay | maybe it's not in there |
| 18:50.20 | javert42 | I'm beginning to think that it's hard-coded. |
| 18:50.58 | harleypig | findlay: Well, as i read further on, I am realizing that it takes one part of CGI ( p( 'text goes' ) . span({ id => 'myid' }, 'here' ) ) |
| 18:54.35 | Tene | http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/breadbox/overview.aspx |
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| 19:02.53 | harleypig | and improves on it |
| 19:03.25 | findlay | javert42: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:MUKTt-xYypYJ:www.gnome.org/~bmsmith/system-admin-guide.pdf+gnome+system-admin-guide&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox-a#23 |
| 19:06.06 | findlay | harleypig: so do you think CGI does a good job of templating in the seamstress sense? |
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| 19:16.48 | harleypig | Not really |
| 19:17.55 | harleypig | the $html .= p( 'text' . span({ id => 'myid' }, 'goes' ) . 'heere' ) model is clumsy |
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| 19:21.58 | harleypig | But HTML::S makes it a lot easier to deal with by parsing a html file. |
| 19:22.46 | findlay | using the HTML in a tree format rather than a text format |
| 19:28.44 | redbeard1 | sometimes hold music makes me want to go postal |
| 19:29.22 | redbeard1 | because let's face it, anyone that would make a newage version of "call me" by blondie, and then play it over and over again, needs to be hurt. badly. |
| 19:29.36 | neybar | lol |
| 19:33.42 | redbeard1 | i think i must have bad dvd karma or something |
| 19:34.29 | redbeard1 | i knew my el cheapo dvd player wasn't going to last long |
| 19:34.41 | redbeard1 | but i didn't think my plextor would die at the same time |
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| 19:39.33 | harleypig | redbeard1: You're such a purist! |
| 19:41.12 | harleypig | so you thought you'd spread the loss of life around? |
| 19:45.29 | harleypig | oh |
| 19:45.30 | harleypig | my |
| 19:45.31 | harleypig | god |
| 19:45.58 | harleypig | you are a sick man |
| 19:45.58 | harleypig | *SICK* |
| 19:45.59 | harleypig | that you would spread such pesittilence around ... |
| 19:45.59 | harleypig | and advocate the slaying |
| 19:46.01 | harleypig | of cats!! |
| 19:46.18 | harleypig | wait ... I support the slaying of cats ... |
| 19:46.31 | harleypig | in as many and varied a way as possible |
| 19:46.52 | harleypig | But that doesn't disallow the fact |
| 19:46.57 | harleypig | that you are a *SICK* man! |
| 19:48.18 | levi | whytheluckystiff is a weird one. |
| 19:48.39 | levi | I must figure out why my kernel driver is borked. |
| 19:50.09 | harleypig | See that's why its sick ... I couldn't tell if you were commenting on the site or not just then. |
| 19:50.50 | harleypig | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF189-Keep_on_Truckin.png#179 |
| 19:50.54 | Sargun_screen | back from winhell! yay! |
| 19:51.34 | Sargun_screen | graphyx: not all DSL providers sell 10:1 |
| 19:51.50 | Sargun_screen | speakeasy has a slightly lower ratio |
| 19:51.56 | Sargun_screen | I know sonic is only 4:1 |
| 19:54.12 | herlo | help: Error: Missing Dependency: libghttp.so.1 is needed by package perl-HTTP-GHTTP |
| 19:54.46 | herlo | trying to run 'yum install perl-LDAP' on centos 4 |
| 19:55.08 | herlo | I've hunted for 3 days to find the repo/rpm with this in it. |
| 19:55.22 | herlo | Currently, I've located a couple potentials, but nothing solid... |
| 19:55.38 | herlo | as in, they wont install without further dependencies. |
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| 20:13.43 | Tene | herlo: http://linux.reb00t.com/RPMS/ |
| 20:13.59 | Tene | nifty yum repository with many perl modules |
| 20:14.19 | jsmith | herlo: Did you try nrpms.net? |
| 20:14.19 | herlo | Tene: thanx |
| 20:14.26 | herlo | jsmith: nope... |
| 20:14.27 | Tene | I don't like nrpms |
| 20:14.37 | Tene | they've screwed up my system before |
| 20:14.53 | herlo | I found it elsewhere, but I'd like a consistent place with updates |
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| 20:15.55 | jsmith | Tene: Yeah, me too -- but mostly they're OK. |
| 20:16.41 | Tene | I remember they gave me a whole bunch of gnome updates with newer deps, and then dropped the gnome stuff entirely, or something like that |
| 20:17.02 | Tene | so I couldn't ask yum to update my system, because many things wanted deps that couldn't be satisfied anymore. |
| 20:17.41 | herlo | Tene: do you have a repo file? |
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| 20:18.00 | Tene | herlo: it's up there somewhere |
| 20:18.02 | herlo | I don't see one there, and I don't like making them myself... |
| 20:18.05 | Tene | I can grab mine, though |
| 20:18.11 | herlo | Tene: I'll look again |
| 20:18.34 | Tene | http://allalone.org/reb00t.repo |
| 20:19.37 | herlo | Tene: found it too, I think. Tx |
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| 20:20.35 | herlo | Tene: that's a fedora one, but I get the gist... |
| 20:38.02 | herlo | Attempt Installing: perl-XML-LibXML |
| 20:38.05 | herlo | - Error I see Can't locate XML/LibXML/SAX/Parser.pm |
| 20:38.16 | herlo | any suggestions? |
| 20:39.04 | herlo | http://pastebin.ca/145103 |
| 20:40.46 | herlo | http://pastebin.ca/145106 is a better reference. I locate the Parser.pm file, looks like its not in the @INC for perl. Where do I change that? |
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| 21:28.51 | \me | heh - every time someone put's "me" in their statement my irc client logs it as being directed towards me |
| 21:29.00 | \me | Jayce^: ping |
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| 22:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | CRAP |
| 22:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | SERVER AT WORK HAS 28KB FREE |
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| 22:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that isn't right |
| 22:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | MSSQL is taking up 80GB |
| 22:10.15 | findlay | ha |
| 22:10.25 | findlay | you've got some huge database there |
| 22:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the thing |
| 22:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't |
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| 22:43.22 | Sargun | you have 80 GB of RAM? |
| 22:43.31 | Sargun | on windows? |
| 22:43.33 | Sargun | huh |
| 22:43.59 | Sargun | *cough* install linux *cough* |
| 22:44.49 | Tene | Can any version of windows handle that much ram? |
| 22:45.04 | Tene | Like the Magic Server Edition That Does Unspecified Cool Stuff? |
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| 23:08.40 | javert42 | Anybody know where you can buy quality chocolate in Utah Valley? I know where to find Lindt, but how about Valrhona or Scharffen Berger? |
| 23:09.46 | Tene | javert42: check Pirate O's |
| 23:09.55 | Tene | I've seen significant chocolate there. |
| 23:10.12 | Tene | I don't know enough about chocolate to know if it's quality, but it's at least a variety. |
| 23:10.45 | javert42 | Is that in Draper? |
| 23:11.13 | Tene | I'm unsure where draper is. It's a bit south of 100th south and like 700 east, I think. |
| 23:11.33 | javert42 | Tene: Sounds promising. Thanks. |
| 23:12.21 | javert42 | I found a good recipe for hot chocolate last night (yes I can enjoy it in August!), and I want to try it with some different chocolates. |
| 23:12.27 | Tene | Speaking of which, maybe I should take a trip out there today. Last year I took my girl out there before she left for school and bought her a big sack of chocolate, and she's leaving again tomorrow. |
| 23:18.06 | levi | Mmm, Pirate O's. |
| 23:18.16 | levi | Yes, it's in Draper. |
| 23:18.20 | levi | TIme for me to head home. |
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| 23:34.20 | findlay | harleypig: what do you think is the best way to slurp HTML? |
