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| 01:30.13 | atoponce | herlo: you're right. 110° isn't *that* hot, but thet fact that he stayed in it for 2 hours seems painful. |
| 01:30.44 | atoponce | he had to suffer at least 1st degree burns |
| 01:30.54 | nick125_lappy | by the way, Q is the mac os x port of QEMU |
| 01:31.23 | linuxalien | Cool |
| 01:31.28 | linuxalien | It works nice |
| 01:33.32 | linuxalien | It's installing Mandriva when Virtual PC wouldn't, even with the patch. |
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| 01:46.25 | Sargun | lI think I am going to stab someone |
| 01:46.28 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:50.17 | Sargun | I am playing with the quickbooks XML SDK |
| 01:50.47 | Sargun | and it isn't returning status code |
| 01:55.50 | findlay | ~stab someone |
| 01:55.56 | ibot | ACTION runs at someone with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 01:56.13 | atoponce | ~whaleslap findlay |
| 01:56.14 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:56.34 | Sargun | thanks |
| 01:56.37 | Sargun | ~lart inuit |
| 01:57.57 | Sargun | Aren't baby grands tasty? |
| 02:00.33 | findlay | ~taste baby grand |
| 02:02.05 | Sargun | My driving teacher is a huge republican. |
| 02:02.09 | Sargun | er |
| 02:02.15 | Sargun | pro-republican |
| 02:02.21 | Sargun | and he is super-liberal |
| 02:02.24 | Sargun | not fun :-( |
| 02:02.25 | findlay | heh |
| 02:03.22 | atoponce | Sargun: what's wrong with republicans |
| 02:03.26 | atoponce | ? |
| 02:03.47 | Sargun | atoponce, have you heard of a liberal republican? |
| 02:04.02 | atoponce | of course |
| 02:04.07 | Sargun | who |
| 02:04.26 | atoponce | he's not in here, but when he arrives... |
| 02:04.30 | dilvie | I ordered my new desktop components today |
| 02:04.39 | atoponce | just don't get him started |
| 02:04.44 | dilvie | 640 GB Raid 5 system running at 3.6ghz dual core |
| 02:04.53 | findlay | dilvie: did you ever find a Strong Bad(R) controller? |
| 02:05.18 | findlay | ~start atoponce |
| 02:05.31 | Sargun | atoponce, no, I mean politician |
| 02:05.54 | atoponce | ahh. then define liberal republican |
| 02:06.19 | dilvie | findlay: ); |
| 02:06.24 | dilvie | findlay: sadly, no. |
| 02:06.40 | dilvie | I'll have to get my strongbad fix with a software solution. |
| 02:06.54 | dilvie | but that's why I went with a dual core cpu! |
| 02:06.56 | dilvie | =) |
| 02:12.03 | findlay | how do I change the color with the gimp? |
| 02:13.03 | findlay | all I want to do is change the color of the pencil thingy and it doesn't know how to |
| 02:13.14 | findlay | black must be hardcoded in for all I know |
| 02:14.15 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:14.26 | Sargun | findlay, you have to edit the source code |
| 02:14.37 | atoponce | findlay: it is. they want you to edit the source |
| 02:14.48 | atoponce | Sargun: lol |
| 02:15.28 | atoponce | isn't that the point of OSS anyway? you don't like how it behaves, so you change it? |
| 02:16.38 | findlay | oh |
| 02:17.09 | atoponce | hehe |
| 02:17.37 | atoponce | s/you don't like/if you don't like/ |
| 02:18.22 | findlay | although sometimes I feel like that with older software whose configuration is it's own language, sparsely and conflictingly documented at random sites on the net |
| 02:21.59 | Sargun | findlay, a guy like you should write an image with nano |
| 02:21.59 | Sargun | or pico |
| 02:21.59 | Sargun | or echo |
| 02:29.00 | findlay | ~IPNG^M^Z^@^@^@^MIHDR^@^@^@^P^@^@^@^P^H^C^@^@^@(-^OS^@^@^BaPLTE^@^SV)0t |
| 02:53.42 | rsimpkins | findlay: wha? |
| 02:54.12 | rsimpkins | ~seen hans |
| 02:54.28 | ibot | hans <n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7d 2h 25m 11s ago, saying: 'doctor $who'. |
| 02:54.34 | rsimpkins | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 02:54.37 | ibot | jayce^ is currently on #utah, last said: 'now, goozbach + prodigy , that I can see :-p'. |
| 03:01.23 | atoponce | netsplit time |
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| 03:02.57 | findlay | ~netsplit |
| 03:03.00 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, netsplit is something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
| 03:03.21 | atoponce | OPN? |
| 03:03.28 | findlay | ~opn |
| 03:03.30 | ibot | it has been said that opn is broken. This is typical. This net hasn't worked right since dancer was installed. =) |
| 03:03.39 | atoponce | dancer? |
| 03:03.44 | findlay | ~dancer |
| 03:03.45 | ibot | IRC defense bot, protects your channel and your users. URL: http://www.fts.frontec.se/~dast/dancer/ |
| 03:04.16 | findlay | ibot is showing his crufty side tonight |
| 03:04.21 | atoponce | 404! |
| 03:04.28 | findlay | see? |
| 03:04.56 | findlay | OPN (open projects network) => freenode |
| 03:04.57 | atoponce | cì |
| 03:05.57 | atoponce | and dancer the dæmon? |
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| 03:15.07 | atoponce | weekends are boring around here |
| 03:15.12 | atoponce | :( |
| 03:30.15 | rsimpkins | Internet traffic in general is much much lower on the weekends. |
| 03:31.10 | Sargun | yeah.. |
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| 03:40.38 | atoponce | welcome back |
| 03:40.40 | findlay | is there a way to tell network applications which ethernet device to use? |
| 03:49.12 | findlay | I was gone trying to get bridging working. It seem there is bridging code in everything from the scheduler to the ethernet device drivers |
| 03:49.45 | findlay | all that ended up happening was the machine froze up when I tried to bring up the bridge device |
| 03:50.56 | findlay | either bridging is unstable in 2.6.18-rc4 and/or the drivers for the cards I have aren't commonly used for bridging, hence they don't work well with it (: |
| 05:04.03 | harleypig | Can anyone help me get my nokia 770 connected to my d-link gamers lounge router? |
| 05:06.14 | Sargun | thats the tablet thing? |
| 05:06.19 | harleypig | yeah |
| 05:06.26 | Sargun | harleypig, do you still have linode? |
| 05:06.31 | Sargun | harleypig, do you like it? |
| 05:06.34 | harleypig | Yeah ... it's what I'm on now ... |
| 05:06.34 | Sargun | the 770 |
| 05:06.45 | harleypig | I love it ... |
| 05:06.50 | Sargun | do you dislike anything about linode? |
| 05:07.29 | harleypig | Not really ... keeping in mind the way things work. |
| 05:07.38 | harleypig | IO tokens are a pain somtimes. |
| 05:07.39 | Sargun | eh? |
| 05:07.41 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:07.48 | harleypig | But I tihnk that's cause I'm using gentoo |
| 05:07.50 | Sargun | your on linode 80? |
| 05:08.06 | harleypig | uhh ... don't remember. Might be the second tier. |
| 05:08.31 | Sargun | how much are you supposed to be paying monthly? |
| 05:09.16 | harleypig | I figured it out once at about $45 month |
| 05:09.29 | Sargun | ouch |
| 05:09.32 | harleypig | I pay yearly though ... about $350 I think. |
| 05:10.07 | harleypig | THere are cheaper ones now, but not when I first got it ... and caker ups the minimums every year. |
| 05:10.21 | harleypig | err ... minimum ram and cpu |
| 05:10.36 | Sargun | oh |
| 05:10.46 | Sargun | when does your year end? |
| 05:10.55 | harleypig | erm ... December I think. |
| 05:11.06 | Sargun | :-( |
| 05:11.10 | harleypig | why? |
| 05:11.11 | Sargun | look here: http://atarack.com/plans.cml |
| 05:11.20 | Sargun | Much better VPS provider |
| 05:11.29 | Sargun | and its not like I own the company |
| 05:11.31 | Sargun | or anything |
| 05:11.33 | Sargun | ;-) |
| 05:11.44 | harleypig | I'm looking at a lcoal company that offers the same type of service, with all the same levesl and it works out to be about the same ... |
| 05:11.53 | harleypig | thanks ... I'll take a look |
| 05:11.56 | harleypig | Local to utah? |
| 05:11.58 | Sargun | um |
| 05:12.00 | Sargun | california |
| 05:12.05 | harleypig | ah |
| 05:12.06 | Sargun | Fremont, California |
| 05:13.43 | harleypig | Ah. I'm not looking exclusively at utah company's, but I prefer to support locally. |
| 05:13.51 | harleypig | How do you handle reverse dns? |
| 05:14.45 | harleypig | Wait ... you already have stuff pre-installed? |
| 05:15.41 | Sargun | hm |
| 05:15.44 | Sargun | eh |
| 05:15.45 | Sargun | no |
| 05:15.53 | Sargun | well, like the OS |
| 05:15.57 | Sargun | and the package manager... |
| 05:16.39 | harleypig | I just saw that ... interesting. |
| 05:19.34 | harleypig | Well, you provide more hd space (about double looks like), but linode has a better cpu/ram setup. |
| 05:20.04 | harleypig | but the prices are comparable ... I have extra hd space so I have and extra fee on my account. |
| 05:20.39 | harleypig | without the extra hd space I'd be paying 29.95/month |
| 05:21.00 | Sargun | cpu? |
| 05:21.11 | Sargun | on a plan1, you would be getting |
| 05:21.27 | Sargun | a minimum of 150 mhz |
| 05:21.32 | Sargun | and a maximum of 3.00 |
| 05:21.47 | Sargun | considering this system has ~5% CPU utilization |
| 05:22.01 | Sargun | I agree with your RAM-based argument |
| 05:22.08 | harleypig | woops ... no, I'd be paying 19.95 |
| 05:22.51 | Sargun | thats a bit different |
| 05:22.57 | harleypig | heh |
| 05:23.14 | harleypig | Since I pay yearly, I get a 50% increase in hard drive space. |
| 05:24.11 | harleypig | The other thing that keeps me on linode is the tools they have. What kind of tools do you have to access the system? |
| 05:26.27 | Sargun | phone |
| 05:28.00 | harleypig | eh? |
| 05:28.33 | harleypig | I mean, e.g., linode has a virtual shell (lish) where you can login and you are "virtually" at the console. |
| 05:28.52 | harleypig | As close as you can get without actually sitting at the machine |
| 05:29.07 | Sargun | oh |
| 05:29.12 | Sargun | yeah, we have that too |
| 05:29.14 | harleypig | You can even watch the system boot up ... which is really good for debugging some things. |
| 05:29.22 | Sargun | we call it shell |
| 05:29.24 | Sargun | heh |
| 05:29.34 | harleypig | :] |
| 05:29.44 | Sargun | VCoSSH |
| 05:29.51 | Sargun | d |
| 05:30.18 | Sargun | Virtual Console Over SSH |
| 05:30.34 | Sargun | maybe "cossh" |
| 05:30.58 | harleypig | B5 fans'd like that. |
| 05:31.11 | harleypig | If I'm remember right |
| 05:31.50 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 05:32.41 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: I'm rewriting those scripts |
| 05:32.45 | nick125_lappy | for remote console |
| 05:32.46 | nick125_lappy | :) |
| 05:33.06 | Sargun | why? |
| 05:33.16 | harleypig | do you have a demo? |
| 05:33.19 | nick125_lappy | because the current ones suck, Sargun |
| 05:33.42 | Sargun | harleypig, what plan? |
| 05:34.02 | harleypig | *shrug* I |
| 05:34.09 | harleypig | 'm more interested in your tools |
| 05:34.17 | harleypig | err ... user tools |
| 05:34.30 | nick125_lappy | We don't have one of those fancy control panels yet :/ |
| 05:34.34 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: you need to work on that |
| 05:34.44 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:39.39 | findlay | anyone here use mutt? |
| 05:40.04 | findlay | emerge cPaNeL |
| 05:41.04 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 05:41.17 | nick125_lappy | Bash for the win! |
| 05:49.09 | nick125_lappy | bash is the bestest control panel evar |
| 05:51.26 | findlay | bash, as in bash scripts? |
| 05:51.36 | findlay | not perl, python or ruby? |
| 05:53.45 | nick125_lappy | I'm talking about control panels |
| 05:54.04 | nick125_lappy | if you don't get what I mean |
| 05:54.44 | findlay | no |
| 05:55.00 | nick125_lappy | bash (command line) is the best control panel ever |
| 05:55.25 | findlay | oh, ok (: |
| 05:56.07 | findlay | certainly must filter out a certain demographic if shell access is all you provide |
| 05:57.26 | nick125_lappy | well, I don't run a shared hosting provider and I don't have the intent on doing so |
| 05:57.42 | findlay | xen? |
| 05:57.44 | nick125_lappy | no matter how many people say I should |
| 05:57.54 | nick125_lappy | yeah, xen |
| 05:58.53 | nick125_lappy | I don't like the entire market of shared hosting, I don't like the concept of overselling, and, for that reason, I can't compete in the shared hosting market |
| 05:59.14 | findlay | xen is still ahead of the adoption curve |
| 06:00.32 | findlay | how do you handle people who break their system and then it won't reboot? Backup? Something else? Either way you'd have to deal with it by hand unless (obviously) it's automated |
| 06:01.04 | findlay | file based or partition based? Raid? LVM? |
| 06:01.12 | nick125_lappy | partition based, RAID, LVM2 |
| 06:01.25 | findlay | nice |
| 06:01.27 | nick125_lappy | that's my preferencce |
| 06:01.33 | nick125_lappy | LVM2 makes this so easy |
| 06:01.39 | findlay | and fun (: |
| 06:01.44 | nick125_lappy | and, you don't have the dual I/O problem as with file based |
| 06:01.51 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:01.59 | nick125_lappy | since, you only just directly hit the HD |
| 06:02.13 | nick125_lappy | instead of the evil IO chain |
| 06:02.25 | nick125_lappy | filesystem -> I/O emulation -> filesystem -> IO |
| 06:03.17 | findlay | have you had any xen bridge networking problems? |
| 06:03.27 | nick125_lappy | just as much as everyone else |
| 06:03.30 | nick125_lappy | -_- |
| 06:03.36 | findlay | yet |
| 06:04.17 | nick125_lappy | I've had bridging break a few times |
| 06:04.48 | nick125_lappy | I wish there was something better, but, doesn't seem like it |
| 06:05.36 | findlay | know anything about ebtables? |
| 06:05.58 | nick125_lappy | I haven't played around it, Sargun might have |
| 06:06.10 | Sargun | *runs away* |
| 06:06.56 | findlay | linux' networking stuff is amazingly flexible |
| 06:08.53 | findlay | transparent masquerading sounds neat |
| 06:09.54 | findlay | heh |
| 06:10.11 | findlay | there are some dudes here drag racing out on State Street |
| 06:10.18 | Sargun | cool |
| 06:10.23 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: I need to put you on a leash |
| 06:10.36 | findlay | in their little hondas and neons |
| 06:11.36 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:13.38 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 13:36.44 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 13:38.40 | linuxalien | Me gusta la chalupa! |
| 13:41.45 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
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| 17:24.07 | findlay | ~time |
| 17:24.09 | ibot | i heard time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2006.08.20 17:24:09 GMT |
| 17:24.30 | findlay | ~date |
| 17:24.31 | ibot | It is now 2006.08.20 17:24:31 GMT |
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| 18:14.28 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:50.37 | top88keys | of everyone who was voiced not so long ago, tewk remains the last voiced standing |
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| 21:08.03 | Sargun | I wonder what happened to Sargun_screen |
| 21:08.25 | Sargun | atoponce, this is due to the freenode netsplit a couple days ago |
| 21:08.39 | Sargun | on zezanly if you were, kicking off happened |
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| 22:35.21 | atoponce | Sargun: ? |
| 22:35.36 | Sargun | top88keys of everyone who was voiced not so long ago, tewk remains the last voiced standing < |
| 22:35.39 | Sargun | regarding that |
| 22:36.00 | Sargun | I know Sargun_screen got kicked off |
| 22:36.09 | atoponce | ohh. |
| 23:25.44 | findlay | ~kickoff |
| 23:26.38 | findlay | all your privacy are belong to EA+MicroSoft thanks to Madden |
| 23:34.15 | findlay | wow. There are evil things happening in this world |
| 23:36.01 | Supaplex | and you only now start to notice. |
| 23:36.33 | findlay | just remember you heard it from findlay |
| 23:37.51 | findlay | I wish it were a more rare thing to find out in the wild |
| 23:38.25 | findlay | the unabashed, undisguised manifestation of blatently pure evil |
| 23:41.25 | findlay | like the shameless willingness of software to drop yet another dot directory in my home directory |
| 23:43.02 | atoponce | there are dot directories in home?! |
| 23:43.27 | findlay | atoponce: yes and they spy on you and phone home with nasty details about your CLI habbits |
| 23:44.12 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin goozbach |
| 23:44.13 | ibot | onjoin for goozbach set by timriker on Wed Aug 16 13:02:01 2006: goozbach, my time is correct and GMT like it should be. |
| 23:44.27 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin - goozbach |
| 23:44.27 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 23:44.32 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin goozbach |
| 23:44.32 | ibot | onjoin for goozbach set by timriker on Wed Aug 16 13:02:01 2006: goozbach, my time is correct and GMT like it should be. |
| 23:44.49 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin #utah -goozbach |
| 23:44.50 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 23:44.53 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin goozbach |
| 23:50.25 | Tene | as opposed to normal dot directories? |
| 23:50.42 | atoponce | it's the governments fault |
| 23:51.30 | findlay | Tene: they want you to think they are normal |
| 23:51.36 | Tene | Ahh. |