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| 00:11.00 | herlo | hola jsmith |
| 00:11.53 | herlo | UTOS Meeting tonight : 7-8PM MDT : #utos |
| 00:18.18 | *** topic/#utah by TimRiker -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org, utos.org |
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| 00:20.53 | jsmith | herlo: Wish I could be there, but I gotta eat and then get back on the road. |
| 00:21.02 | jsmith | Just had to jump online quickly to book a hotel. |
| 00:21.13 | herlo | ahh, traveling to va already ey? |
| 00:21.29 | herlo | well, I will look forward to having you online next week |
| 00:21.49 | Tene | ~findlay herlo |
| 00:21.52 | ibot | ACTION asserts that herlo is less hip than findlay. |
| 00:29.26 | sjansen | It's hip to be a herlo. |
| 00:29.51 | herlo | sjansen: what the? |
| 00:36.59 | maquis | today's wtf is kinda scary |
| 00:42.19 | herlo | maquis: wtf? |
| 00:42.32 | Tene | thedailywtf |
| 00:42.35 | findlay | where's the flag? |
| 00:46.26 | herlo | mmm, guess I'd better go find out about this little bit of fine literature |
| 00:50.51 | herlo | I found the flickr page for that? |
| 00:50.54 | herlo | lame |
| 00:56.35 | maquis | huh? |
| 00:57.08 | findlay | ~huh maquis |
| 00:57.19 | ibot | I don't give that kind of information to filthy cardassian spies |
| 00:58.24 | herlo | haha |
| 01:00.21 | findlay | where's a good place to ask linux questions? |
| 01:00.39 | findlay | emcnabb: I want you to fix my kernel problems for me. OK? |
| 01:01.02 | Tene | ~findlay findlay |
| 01:01.04 | ibot | ACTION asserts that findlay is less hip than findlay. |
| 01:01.35 | findlay | I'm sure RedHat would be so willing to oblige since I have been such a loyal RedHat customer over the years |
| 01:02.22 | findlay | they would want to reward my loyalty by having one of their kernel devs solve my problems |
| 01:02.35 | Tene | what's your problem? |
| 01:02.42 | findlay | ha |
| 01:02.49 | findlay | good luck solving this one |
| 01:02.54 | findlay | nevertheless |
| 01:03.38 | findlay | I have a SCSI HP 6100C plugged into an acard AEC-6712TS PCI SCSI adapter |
| 01:03.55 | herlo | for those of you who might be interested in meeting about UTOS, its already started... |
| 01:04.15 | findlay | when I modprobe the acard module with the scanner turned on I get: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
| 01:04.24 | findlay | herlo: what's utos? |
| 01:04.36 | herlo | findlay, http://www.utos.org |
| 01:04.48 | herlo | read the open letter post near the bottom...I need to make that sticky |
| 01:05.27 | findlay | herlo: can they solve my linux problems? |
| 01:05.55 | herlo | findlay: maybe |
| 01:06.01 | findlay | sure |
| 01:06.06 | herlo | but you'd have to wait until next year |
| 01:09.14 | graphyx | so tell me this. |
| 01:09.22 | graphyx | does anyone know what wasatch means? |
| 01:09.37 | findlay | I think it's an indian word |
| 01:09.40 | herlo | graphyx: I believe its an indian term |
| 01:10.05 | graphyx | indeed. |
| 01:28.09 | levi_home | Mmm, the Cardigans. |
| 01:31.42 | findlay | ~fix maquis |
| 01:31.43 | ibot | ACTION takes maquis to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 01:32.15 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
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| 01:48.52 | herlo | Jayce^: you around? |
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| 02:49.50 | herlo | findlay: why? if you don't who will |
| 03:10.35 | Tene | ~findlay findlay |
| 03:10.37 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
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| 04:19.45 | findlay | Tene: you're never going to get him to talk |
| 04:20.29 | Tene | aww... |
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| 04:20.45 | findlay | it's been way too long since I've listened to Tschaikowsky's 5th symphony |
| 04:32.56 | levi_home | Man, this is an obscene number of #defines |
| 04:39.13 | findlay | ~#define levi_home |
| 04:47.42 | Tene | http://xkcd.com/comics/delicious.png |
| 04:49.12 | elg | ~nacho Tene |
| 05:01.24 | findlay | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=193695&cid=15882454 |
| 05:01.36 | findlay | that's some good Thursday evening humor for you |
| 05:48.26 | levi_home | Tene: Until the sad day that the chips and cheese run out at the same time... |
| 05:48.39 | Tene | Hehe. |
| 05:48.44 | Tene | I do that with chips and salsa |
| 05:59.59 | findlay | I want to write a virus someday so that I can name it with a strange string of letters |
| 06:00.27 | Tene | name it 'findlay' |
| 06:00.35 | findlay | that's too boring |
| 06:00.47 | Tene | 'findlaybutexciting' |
| 06:00.59 | findlay | now you're getting somewhere |
| 06:01.48 | Tene | 'omgwtftotallycrazyawesomevirus' |
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| 06:47.19 | levi_home | I don't know why there are 4 bytes worth of pointer, because there's only 32k of memory to address. |
| 07:11.34 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.34 | nick125_lappy | er |
| 07:17.43 | Sargun | heh |
| 07:20.10 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: !! whats up |
| 07:20.30 | Sargun | not much |
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| 13:50.16 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you in yet? |
| 13:54.18 | goozbach | yup |
| 13:54.27 | goozbach | I'm always in |
| 13:54.32 | goozbach | invoke goozbach |
| 13:54.34 | goozbach | :) |
| 13:54.48 | goozbach | so Yahoo Groups is the suxor |
| 13:56.13 | redbeard1 | agreed |
| 13:56.29 | redbeard1 | dude, i just posted a recipe that you may be interested in for your romantic dinner |
| 14:00.34 | goozbach | ahh |
| 14:00.37 | goozbach | koo |
| 14:04.10 | goozbach | Gazpach |
| 14:04.13 | goozbach | Gazpacho... |
| 14:04.21 | goozbach | I made that once for a romantic dinner |
| 14:04.32 | goozbach | when I was dating a vegitarian |
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| 14:08.11 | goozbach | WHAA? |
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| 14:15.42 | tensai | macnewbold: try <action> instead of /me |
| 14:15.46 | redbeard1 | goozbach: why would you do that to yourself? |
| 14:16.00 | redbeard1 | date a vegetarian? c'mon dude |
| 14:16.17 | redbeard1 | hey tensai |
| 14:17.12 | tensai | eek, it's a redbeard1! |
| 14:17.17 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 14:17.23 | redbeard1 | a drugged up one at that |
| 14:18.03 | redbeard1 | hydrocodone doesn't seem to like me much this time around |
| 14:21.47 | goozbach | redbeard1: she was/is a sexy geek girl |
| 14:22.07 | redbeard1 | ah, well, that makes sense then. |
| 14:22.18 | goozbach | that fact more than made up for it |
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| 14:46.43 | Jayce^ | goozbach, this the one I know? |
| 14:54.17 | goozbach | Jayce^: yup |
| 14:54.27 | goozbach | she still claims to not know you |
| 14:57.31 | elg | goozbach: I would too |
| 14:57.44 | elg | if I were a vegeterian sexychick. |
| 14:58.02 | elg | because I'd probably also be anti gun in that case. and Jayce^ is one big gun holster |
| 14:58.06 | redbeard1 | i usually try to avoid admitting knowing jayce |
| 14:58.29 | goozbach | hadn't thought about it that way |
| 14:58.30 | redbeard1 | certainly in public |
| 14:58.31 | goozbach | hmmm |
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| 15:04.07 | redbeard1 | ~lart pmcnabb |
| 15:04.44 | pmcnabb | i'm not welcome here... |
| 15:05.13 | redbeard1 | sure you are |
| 15:05.24 | elg | who would we lart if not mcnabbs? |
| 15:05.25 | redbeard1 | even though you didn't throw anything at jayce like i asked you to |
| 15:05.32 | pmcnabb | : ) |
| 15:05.35 | redbeard1 | er. i mean. |
| 15:05.41 | redbeard1 | hey Jayce^. how's it going? |
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| 15:14.41 | Jayce^ | goozbach, 'cause I was always in the boba fett outfit |
| 15:16.05 | goozbach | o/~ my backpack's got jets... cause I'm boba the fett.. o/~ |
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| 15:18.54 | Jayce^ | isn't that frontalot? |
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| 15:20.45 | goozbach | Jayce^: nope, MC chris |
| 15:21.10 | Jayce^ | http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/index.html <-- sjansen? :-p |
| 15:21.10 | brac | [Sheldon] |
| 15:31.52 | mheath | uh |
| 15:31.54 | mheath | wow. |
| 15:32.44 | mheath | They want me to leave for basic on Monday. |
| 15:33.11 | redbeard1 | a little early, isn't it? |
| 15:33.19 | mheath | Yes. |
| 15:33.26 | mheath | A hole opened up, I guess. |
| 15:33.30 | Jayce^ | auf weidersehen.. |
| 15:33.36 | mheath | I said I'd take it |
| 15:33.44 | mheath | but that was so sudden...I'm so nervous..... |
| 15:34.07 | emcnabb | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 15:34.15 | emcnabb | don't you be pickin' on my bro |
| 15:34.29 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:34.33 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 15:34.33 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: actually, i was trying to get yer bro to pick on jayce |
| 15:36.32 | mheath | OK. I've got a TON to do in the next two days. |
| 15:36.36 | mheath | No promises that I'll be on IRC at all. |
| 15:36.40 | mheath | I'll try to pop in and say buy to everyone |
| 15:36.45 | mheath | but if not, I'll see you all in November. |
| 15:36.49 | Jayce^ | BUY BUY BUY!!! |
| 15:36.57 | mheath | Jayce^: shut it. |
| 15:37.13 | Jayce^ | oh, wouldn't it just be fitting to give a /kick at the end of the tenure :-p |
| 15:37.24 | mheath | God, I'm going to be at Marine Corps Recruit Depot in 3 days... |
| 15:37.55 | goozbach | SELL SELL SELL!!! |
| 15:40.25 | elg | RENT RENT RENT!!! |
| 15:47.58 | levi | Something like that happened to me when I was scheduled for eye surgery. |
| 15:48.41 | levi | It was going to be in a couple of weeks or something. But when I got home after my appointment where I made the decision, I got a call telling me there was an unexpected donor and I could get it done the next day. |
| 15:48.51 | levi | Kind of took away my time for mental preparation. |
| 15:49.06 | elg | levi: some pirate just came in and said "Argh, here's my eye matey" |
| 15:49.34 | levi | It was an Army hospital. Some soldier probably got accidentally killed. :P |
| 15:49.46 | elg | what kind of surgery was it? |
| 15:49.52 | levi | Cornea transplant |
| 15:49.56 | elg | i assume you don't need a donor eye for lazik |
| 15:50.04 | elg | wow |
| 15:50.57 | levi | That was my second time through it, since I had done my other eye a while earlier. |
| 15:51.23 | levi | Took me months of waiting to get the first cornea, so it was rather surprising to get the second one so quickly. |
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| 16:19.19 | emcnabb | mcnabbs, unite! |
| 16:20.20 | amcnabb | Unite where? |
| 16:22.19 | graphyx | don't say here.. |
| 16:22.31 | graphyx | And Is that like a japanese anime style unite? |
| 16:22.36 | graphyx | and if so, who is the head? |
| 16:24.44 | amcnabb | I'm so happy that I have no clue what you're talking about. |
| 16:24.51 | emcnabb | same here |
| 16:25.45 | graphyx | think power rangers... |
| 16:25.52 | amcnabb | I'd rather not. |
| 16:26.06 | graphyx | lol |
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| 16:34.35 | levi | More like Voltron. |
| 16:36.48 | redbeard1 | oh man. i remember voltron |
| 16:41.07 | graphyx | there we go. |
| 16:41.14 | graphyx | That is the one I couldn't remember the name of.. |
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| 16:48.08 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 16:48.25 | pmcnabb | emcnabb, i'm finally ready to unite. sorry about the delay |
| 16:48.40 | redbeard1 | mispellers of the world, untie! |
| 16:48.40 | elg | vontrapp: by the time you're done using perl you'll be married |
| 16:49.05 | redbeard1 | wait, is vontrapp getting marred? |
| 16:49.24 | graphyx | I am looking into buying a 19" LCD screen for home. Any recommendations/ warnings? |
| 16:50.19 | tensai | redbeard1: with my smoked pork shoulder my wife made tamales. so yummy... |
| 16:50.42 | tensai | apparently the meat freezes really well, which is good because we have way too much of it |
| 16:50.44 | redbeard1 | tensai: like, real, steamed all day, tamales? |
| 16:50.58 | graphyx | tensai: At first I thought you said something about your shoulder being smoked.. |
| 16:51.08 | tensai | redbeard1: steamed yes, but not all day. couple hours I think. |
| 16:51.30 | redbeard1 | tensai: you need to get me that recipe. i've been looking for a good tamale recipe. |
| 16:51.39 | redbeard1 | do the tamales freeze well too? |
| 16:51.51 | tensai | yup. got a freezer full of those too. |
| 16:52.02 | redbeard1 | recipe. need a recipe. |
| 16:52.07 | elg | redbeard1: you get that book? |
| 16:52.22 | tensai | redbeard1: I'll email her |
| 16:52.31 | redbeard1 | elg: which book? |
| 16:52.37 | elg | comida sabrosa |
| 16:52.56 | redbeard1 | is that the bread one you were showing me? |
| 16:53.12 | elg | no, the SW cooking one |
| 16:53.17 | elg | that you could get for the price of shipping |
| 16:53.25 | redbeard1 | heh. oh yeah. no, i didn't. |
| 16:53.28 | redbeard1 | i should. |
| 16:53.51 | elg | yeah. you should |
| 16:53.58 | elg | I'll scan the tamale recipe for ya though |
| 16:54.00 | redbeard1 | i'm trying to decide whether i should order my subscription to art culinaire today. if i do, i'll get the sw book too. |
| 16:54.17 | redbeard1 | you know, at the same time and all. |
| 16:55.30 | tensai | redbeard1: I'll have it to you in a few |
| 16:57.08 | redbeard1 | sweet! |
| 16:59.31 | tensai | lucky for you she was online just now |
| 17:03.25 | redbeard1 | lucky for me indeed! |
| 17:12.23 | elg | redbeard1: http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/tamale.pdf |
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| 17:14.15 | maquis | wha? |
| 17:15.04 | bonez39 | elg, got any good sourdough starter recipes? |
| 17:15.19 | elg | yup |
| 17:15.47 | elg | my best recommendation is to go to the library and pick up "The Bread Builders: ..." by Daniel Wing and Alan Scott |
| 17:15.58 | bonez39 | I'll grab it |
| 17:16.19 | elg | the best bet is to get some start from someone who already has a healthy start |
| 17:17.00 | elg | if that fails (or you don't want to bother), put a tbsp whole wheat flour and a tbsp water in a mason jar with a lid |
| 17:17.11 | elg | (doesn't have to be too tight) |
| 17:17.18 | elg | plastic wrap is fine |
| 17:17.41 | elg | feed it twice its volume every 24 hours |
| 17:17.50 | bonez39 | well, if you built yours with help from that book, I'll try it that way too... |
| 17:18.11 | bonez39 | I had something growing in a plastic bowl......and tried to bake with it, but it didn't do too well |
| 17:18.18 | elg | I didn't, I made mine from info I gleaned from rec.food.sourdough, and before that I had one my dad got from a baker |
| 17:18.42 | elg | but that book has good instructions that I believe will work |
| 17:18.45 | bonez39 | rec.food.sourdough is a newslist? newsfeed ? |
| 17:18.51 | elg | newsgroup yeah |
| 17:19.00 | elg | but you have to filter through all the old wives tales |
| 17:19.07 | elg | that book has already done that for you :) |
| 17:19.08 | redbeard1 | ah, nntp |
| 17:19.14 | redbeard1 | i love newsgroups |
| 17:19.18 | elg | but it boils down to flour, water, and time |
| 17:19.50 | elg | when it's bubbly 8-12 hours after you refresh it, then it's ready to bake with |
| 17:19.54 | redbeard1 | elg: you boil your bread? |
| 17:20.05 | rsimpkins | Does anyone even use newsgroups any more? |
| 17:20.06 | elg | redbeard1: only when I send it to you |
| 17:20.45 | elg | bonez39: what was wrong with it? might it have been technique? |
| 17:20.52 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: you'd be surprised. some days i spend more time there than on the web |
| 17:21.12 | elg | rsimpkins: does anyone even use irc any more? |
| 17:21.33 | redbeard1 | my server carries 100k+ groups, and a lot of the ones i read have anywhere from a couple dozen to a couple thousand new headers a day |
| 17:22.06 | bonez39 | elg, well, I don't think I fed it right ...... and I am a newbie with bread making, plus I didn't have my BOSCH mixer...but now I have it again..... |
| 17:22.22 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: Really. Tell me more. :) |
| 17:22.38 | levi | Old internet technologies never die; they just go underground. |
| 17:22.46 | elg | bonez39: that book is also an excellent coach on breadmaking in general |
| 17:22.55 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: you making fun of me? |
| 17:23.03 | redbeard1 | it's not nice to pick on the druggie |
| 17:23.04 | elg | ~tease rsimpkins |
| 17:23.05 | ibot | ACTION tickles rsimpkins with a feather and makes rsimpkins rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 17:23.06 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: No. I really would like to know more about it. |
| 17:23.25 | rsimpkins | I'm not joking. IRC sucks for that cause you can't tell my tone of voice. |
| 17:23.51 | rsimpkins | The last time I used it - it was mostly SPAM and stuff. |
| 17:24.00 | rsimpkins | Maybe I'm missing something. |
| 17:24.06 | elg | probably the wrong groups |
| 17:24.17 | elg | r.f.s for example gets maybe one spam message a week |
| 17:24.38 | elg | if you don't count the local curmudgeon |
| 17:25.24 | bonez39 | did I miss something about IRC? |
| 17:25.29 | bonez39 | isn't that where we are now? |
| 17:25.45 | rsimpkins | Is there an advantage over using a news reader client rather than using something like google groups? |
| 17:25.56 | elg | depends on your usage pattern |
| 17:26.06 | elg | and how much you like google groups (which is partially a function of your screen resolution) |
| 17:26.42 | goozbach | google groups, yahoo groups etc suck |
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| 17:27.24 | elg | all news clients suck |
| 17:27.32 | elg | I use thunderbird these days |
| 17:27.48 | rsimpkins | Is it possible to run your own news server - or is that a bad idea? |
| 17:28.06 | elg | leafnode |
| 17:28.11 | elg | I think is the name of one such program |
| 17:28.28 | levi | A full news feed takes a ridiculous amount of bandwidth. |
| 17:28.55 | rsimpkins | But if you just want to be the server for certain groups that you want to subscribe to. |
| 17:28.58 | rsimpkins | Is that possible? |
| 17:29.08 | levi | I dunno. |
| 17:29.24 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: yeah it is. but i don't think you'd want to. |
| 17:29.28 | bonez39 | elg, which news server do you use? |
| 17:29.34 | elg | xmission's |
| 17:29.40 | bonez39 | I tried news.xmission.com and it didn't load anything... |
| 17:29.50 | elg | news.xmission.com you have to use your username and password to log in |
| 17:29.56 | bonez39 | do I have the wrong context? oh..ok |
| 17:29.56 | rsimpkins | What is the biggest draw back of running your own server? Bandwidth? Load? |
| 17:30.24 | elg | rsimpkins: because you don't have to? unless you wanted to do it on your laptop so that you could read groups offline |
| 17:30.26 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: it's kind of a waste to run your own server just to read messages |
| 17:30.31 | elg | but in that case your client could do that just as easy too |
| 17:30.45 | rsimpkins | redbeard1: Yeah, but then you wouldn't have to pay for a service, right? |
| 17:30.49 | redbeard1 | and you'd still have to have a client to read the messages |
| 17:31.06 | elg | rsimpkins: you still got to get the news from somewhere |
| 17:31.13 | elg | you need upstream no matter what |
| 17:31.14 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: if you carried enough messages, then you could set up a trade with other services. |
| 17:31.29 | rsimpkins | So everyone is paying for an upstream? Aren't there free sources you can sync against, etc? |
| 17:31.32 | redbeard1 | giganews tells you how to do that with them |
| 17:31.36 | rsimpkins | Oh, they trade... :) |
| 17:31.36 | elg | your ISP might |
| 17:31.42 | bonez39 | elg, setting that up for news.xmission.com never asks an ID or password..in thunderbird |
| 17:31.56 | elg | you might need to check some box to authenticate |
| 17:32.42 | bonez39 | hmmm ok |
| 17:32.43 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: http://www.giganews.com/peering.html |
| 17:33.37 | rsimpkins | I wonder what the cost in bandwidth/load would really be. |
| 17:33.43 | levi | There are some free nntp servers out there. |
| 17:33.43 | redbeard1 | huge |
| 17:34.03 | redbeard1 | yeah, there are some free ones, but they're mostly only reliable for non-binaries |
| 17:34.26 | redbeard1 | if you're the sort that uses nntp only for binaries, you'll eventually want to get a paid service |
| 17:34.43 | rsimpkins | I guess I'm confused - you can't peer just for a small amount of groups - you have to do the whole thing? |
| 17:35.00 | rsimpkins | What if you want to 'trade' access for a subset of the whole enchalada. |
| 17:35.12 | levi | I'm still not sure what advantage you'd be hoping to get by doing this. |
| 17:35.36 | rsimpkins | Well, maybe I misunderstand. You 'subscribe' to a group right? |
| 17:35.38 | redbeard1 | i'm sure you could just do a few groups, but like levi said, why? |
| 17:35.54 | rsimpkins | And usually you want to track - say - 50 groups. |
| 17:35.57 | levi | Subscribing to a group just means you tell your client you're interested in it. |
| 17:36.50 | redbeard1 | my client shows me a list of all the groups my server has (100k+), and then i can just view the much shorter list of which ones i'm "subscribed" to |
| 17:37.03 | levi | You'd have to have mad skillz to track 50 active groups on a regular basis. |
| 17:37.04 | rsimpkins | Right, but why do you care about all the other junk? Just get the 50 groups you will be interested in, and just get that information. |
| 17:37.43 | levi | rsimpkins: Um, yeah. That's what your client does when you subscribe to them. Plus, it only downloads the headers from the groups you've subscribed to, so you don't waste time downloading message bodies you don't want to read. |
| 17:38.46 | levi | The client gets the full list of groups from the server. Until you subscribe to a group, it doesn't get any other data. When you do subscribe to a group, it downloads its headers regularly for you. When you start reading the group, you select messages to read and it then downloads their bodies. |
| 17:38.53 | rsimpkins | levi: Right. giganews charges $8.00/mo for access. So you are paying 8/mo for access to the 50 groups you care about - but are really 'paying' for it all (if that makese sense). I'm wondering if there is a way to get just what you care about for free. |
| 17:39.13 | levi | rsimpkins: Yes, as long as you don't care about binary groups. |
| 17:39.30 | redbeard1 | rsimpkins: well, if you don't care about binaries, just use google groups. it's free. |
| 17:39.33 | levi | rsimpkins: Just point your client at one of the free nttp servers. |
| 17:39.35 | elg | or your isp may provide access |
| 17:39.50 | redbeard1 | most isp's mirror a small set of newsgroups |
| 17:40.01 | WoodsDog | who's your isp simpkins? |
| 17:40.04 | WoodsDog | xmission? |
| 17:40.09 | rsimpkins | I guess I just don't know enought about how it works. Don't some news servers just track a smaller subset of all available groups? |
| 17:40.11 | redbeard1 | and if they don't carry one you want, you could probably get them to add it |
| 17:40.32 | rsimpkins | WoodsDog: Hey. ;) No. Comcast. |
| 17:40.33 | levi | rsimpkins: giganews pays the price for the full feed whether you use it or not. Why would they let you pay less? |
| 17:40.43 | WoodsDog | comcast has it's newsserver as well |
| 17:40.49 | WoodsDog | it's restricted to 2.5GB a month |
| 17:40.55 | WoodsDog | but for non-binary, that's fine |
| 17:41.08 | WoodsDog | it will have probably 95% of the groups you are looking for |
| 17:41.14 | redbeard1 | only the big dogs carry even close to all the groups. nobody carries them all. some isp's are small enough, they don't even carry that |
| 17:41.31 | elg | -weather |
| 17:41.32 | brac | 31 minutes ago, on Fri Aug 11 17:11:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the West/Northwest at KLRU. The temperature was 31 degrees Celsius (88 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1018 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 43.2%. The sky was clear. |
| 17:41.33 | WoodsDog | alot of isp's now outsource their news server to a big one |
| 17:42.03 | WoodsDog | like csolutions, they outsource their nntp server to a big one, they don't actually host their news server |
| 17:42.51 | rsimpkins | The idea I have would work with IRC too.... create an IRC server that only allows traffic for certain channels. If you connect to that server you only get those channels. I wonder what that'd do to the network. ;) |
| 17:42.58 | redbeard1 | yeah, giganews does outsourcing for lots of isps |
| 17:43.38 | mrpull | http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/11/keepin-it-real-wtf/ |
| 17:43.40 | brac | [Keepin' it real... WTF?! - Engadget] |
| 17:43.48 | findlay | why does usenet even have to be paid. That's so stupid |
| 17:43.50 | mrpull | that reminds me of the first TiVo I bought |
| 17:44.01 | mrpull | somebody opened it up, removed all the guts, |
| 17:44.08 | redbeard1 | findlay: bandwith. it's all about bandwidth. |
| 17:44.18 | rsimpkins | I imagine at some point usenet was totally free and open. |
| 17:44.20 | findlay | but I already pay for bandwidth |
| 17:44.25 | mrpull | hot glued fake A/V ports inside and returned it to the store |
| 17:44.26 | levi | findlay: Because it's freakin' huge and takes a lot of money to keep up a good feed. |
| 17:44.36 | mrpull | i didn't know that it was previously opened when I took it home |
| 17:44.40 | mrpull | (i have pictures somewhere) |
| 17:45.02 | WoodsDog | findlay: true, but news servers put out gigabits of traffic |
| 17:45.04 | redbeard1 | back in the day, i used to pull down about 60 to 70gb a month from giganews. from work, of course. |
| 17:45.07 | WoodsDog | and that's not free |
| 17:45.28 | levi | findlay: It's not the bandwidth of people reading news, it's the bandwidth of keeping the newsfeed current. |
| 17:45.38 | levi | findlay: Not to mention the storage |
| 17:45.46 | WoodsDog | http://usenetserver.com/networkstatus.html |
| 17:45.52 | findlay | gigabits of brap bootleg copies of Hollywood's latest chaff |
| 17:45.52 | redbeard1 | oh yeah, storage is huge |
| 17:45.52 | WoodsDog | check out those network graphs |
| 17:45.54 | WoodsDog | 10GB! |
| 17:46.00 | findlay | s/brap/crap/ |
| 17:46.47 | elg | and all the porn |
| 17:46.52 | rsimpkins | wow, pretty clear what usenet is used for. |
| 17:46.56 | WoodsDog | s/10GB!/10Gb!/ |
| 17:47.01 | findlay | strangely, ever since I discovered free software I've never felt the need for garbage like that |
| 17:47.39 | findlay | whereas in the windows world it seemed like a more real temptation |
| 17:48.50 | levi | Futzing with Linux, unless you're a system administrator, is pretty close to as wasteful of time as watching TV. |
| 17:49.26 | rsimpkins | levi: Why exlude SAs? |
| 17:49.38 | findlay | levi: I don't agree |
| 17:49.41 | levi | rsimpkins: They're building job skills/experience. |
| 17:49.48 | graphyx | levi: Except for the experiecing in linux you are gaining and your mind may be in action. |
| 17:49.54 | rsimpkins | oh - it's 'work' not 'fun' ???? :) |
| 17:50.11 | levi | TV is fun, too. |
| 17:50.25 | graphyx | Like I tell people. I waste my time in front of the computer playing games instead of watching TV |
| 17:50.37 | graphyx | Same effect, except perhaps my mind might be engaged. |
| 17:50.47 | graphyx | and I don't pay for cable. |
| 17:50.49 | levi | And there's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't give you any moral superiority. |
| 17:50.57 | graphyx | Never said that it did. |
| 17:51.11 | graphyx | Just less media influences in my life. |
| 17:52.03 | rsimpkins | I can get a HUGE entertainment value of $20. Kinda hard to justify doing other things. |
| 17:53.23 | levi | I just think there's a pretty destructive pattern of Linux usage; not everyone falls prey to it, but those that do might as well be watching TV even though they feel like they're doing something 'better'. |
| 17:54.01 | levi | There's just SO MUCH STUFF that you can spend hours and hours just fiddling with things, jumping from one thing to another all the time. |
| 17:54.18 | findlay | levi: but you can't write everything off as 'destructive Linux usage' |
| 17:54.47 | findlay | levi: although I'm not disagreeing with your argument |
| 17:54.55 | levi | And I think it's as detrimental to the ability to sit and focus on something useful as TV addiction is. |
| 17:55.12 | elg | levi: I don't think you can discount the mental excercise that futzing with linux has vs just watching tv |
| 17:55.27 | elg | i mean it's hobby/entertainment either way |
| 17:55.37 | levi | elg: Depends on what you're doing with it. |
| 17:55.38 | elg | but one is obviously better for your brain and understanding of computers |
| 17:55.56 | elg | levi: even stupid puzzles are brain excercise |
| 17:56.07 | elg | and the sort of thing your talking about is like doing stupid puzzles all the time |
| 17:56.46 | elg | doesn't hold a candle to, say, writing an OSS app that will change the world |
| 17:56.47 | levi | elg: Nah, I'm not talking about something like doing stupid puzzles all the time. I don't think it'd be too bad if you were engaged in that way while futzing with Linux. |
| 17:57.04 | elg | what other kind of futzing is there? |
| 17:57.11 | findlay | levi: do you mean recreational tinkering? |
| 17:57.14 | elg | surely you don't mean moving files around your system randomly |
| 17:57.25 | findlay | elg: that would be fun (: |
| 17:58.15 | levi | elg: Installing random software, reinstalling things that work just fine just to look at something new, chatting on irc, reading newsgroups, etc. |
| 17:58.15 | elg | even setting up an nntp server in spite of the naysayers on IRC would be an educational experience |
| 17:58.33 | findlay | my brain isn't necessarily active in a productive manner when I start aimlessly tinkering with my computer |
| 17:58.53 | elg | if reinstalling isn't automatic, then something went wrong and you have a chance to learn something about something, or solve a puzzle |
| 17:59.03 | elg | the other two don't count as futzing with linux. you can do those in any OS |
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| 17:59.43 | elg | findlay: it's not productive, perhaps, but it's active. is the brain active when watching TV? I say it can be, but it depends on what you're watching |
| 18:00.04 | findlay | elg: but it almost feels like watching TV |
| 18:00.10 | elg | if you're truly doing mindless things like dragging files around the desktop in a random pattern for no reason |
| 18:00.32 | elg | then I'll secede the point |
| 18:00.51 | elg | but as long as you're trying to accomplish something, no matter how pointless, I say it's better for you |
| 18:00.55 | elg | and now it's time to watch Voyager |
| 18:01.42 | findlay | kind of like mindlessly trying to solve my linux driver problem in a non systemmatic manner because I don't want to muster the mental energy to do things right |
| 18:02.03 | elg | sorry, mindlessly doesn't apply |
| 18:02.22 | elg | unless you're really just tapping random keys and moving your mouse hoping it will magically solve your problem |
| 18:02.47 | findlay | perhaps but I have a hard time keeping things in perspective without purposely making effort to do so |
| 18:02.51 | elg | you may not be doing it very efficiently, but if nothing else you're reinforcing things you've learned about linux in the past (which may not help you with your problem) |
| 18:03.34 | findlay | I guess I just don't like the state my mind is in in those situations |
| 18:05.59 | levi | elg: Of course, you are also reinforcing the pattern of doing a bunch of little random mostly-useless things instead of concentrating on something that would bring you much more enrichment in the end. |
| 18:06.15 | elg | yes |
| 18:06.22 | findlay | levi: indeed |
| 18:06.25 | elg | no doubt it's "less productive" or whatever adjective you choose to use |
| 18:06.33 | elg | than whatever is productive |
| 18:06.36 | elg | that you could be doing |
| 18:06.48 | levi | I don't even require productivity. |
| 18:07.05 | elg | well whatever criteria you like to use to define "not wasting time" |
| 18:07.08 | levi | I think reading a book would be preferrable, as it builds concentration rather than tearing it down. |
| 18:07.35 | tensai | redbeard1: recipe sent to perlhoser |
| 18:08.23 | findlay | levi: for me it's as much about awareness as concentration |
| 18:08.42 | findlay | which can be difficult to attain even while reading books |
| 18:09.40 | elg | levi: depending on what you're doing, and on what book you might be reading, I'd agree |
| 18:10.41 | elg | but I maintain that any random person would be just as well served in our day to spend quality thinking/learning time with a computer as to read a book |
| 18:10.57 | elg | even if that time isn't spent learning a skill specific to their needs |
| 18:11.10 | elg | just like reading a book that isn't specific to their vocational needs is valuable |
| 18:11.47 | elg | and conversely, if a SA is doing the sort of tinkering that isn't valuable, he's doing more harm to himself than the non-SA |
| 18:11.47 | levi | I don't dispute that; it's just a matter of spending quality time rather than simply using the endless stimula from the computer to avoid actually doing anything of quality. |
| 18:14.06 | findlay | levi: but that's not linux specific |
| 18:14.14 | levi | For the sort of people who find the stimula attainable from a computer far more compelling than those from TV, they are as much in danger of degrading their minds with the computer as a TV-junkie is with TV. Either can use their respective forms of entertainment as a healthy part of their lives, though. |
| 18:14.37 | findlay | computer junkies don't have to be Linux users |
| 18:14.49 | findlay | they can be AOL users too |
| 18:15.37 | levi | findlay: No, it's not. But Linux and the open source world provides a different set of stimula than the Windows world. There's a much lower barrier of entry to certain kinds of semi-intellectual time wasting. |
| 18:17.24 | fozzmoo | I wish I hadn't missed the beginning of this thread. |
| 18:17.48 | redbeard1 | tensai: thanks man |
| 18:17.51 | redbeard1 | i got it |
| 18:18.59 | findlay | I hate hacking of crufty stringy code |
| 18:20.56 | levi | fozzmoo: Sorry. :) I've wasted too much time on it already, so I won't be participating in it anymore. |
| 18:21.10 | findlay | ha |
| 18:21.24 | findlay | good form levi |
| 18:24.08 | elg | so many ways to waste time! futzing, tv, reading, philosophizing |
| 18:24.38 | fozzmoo | hah. |
| 18:24.53 | findlay | did I say how much I dislike working on crufty code? |
| 18:24.59 | elg | levi: I respectfully disagree that linux makes it easier to waste time. I spent years wasting a heckuvalot of time just trying to keep my computer running in Windows |
| 18:25.14 | elg | countless reinstalls (there's a mindless wasteful activity if I've ever heard one, but one that had to be done) |
| 18:25.15 | findlay | true (: |
| 18:25.49 | mrpull | elg: when is the last time you used windows? |
| 18:26.01 | mrpull | comparing windows circa 95 to linux 2006 is not fair |
| 18:26.03 | findlay | but I get to listen to Mozart opera, much to the chagrin of my coworkers |
| 18:27.12 | elg | mrpull: when was the last time you used one of my computers? It doesn't matter what they're running, they have it out for me |
| 18:27.22 | mrpull | hehehe... i have a couple of those |
| 18:27.40 | elg | windows itself may run better now, but there's just as much opportunity to install junk software, tweak useless things, etc. |
| 18:27.44 | mrpull | but seriously... I do think more time it wasted (today) tinkering with linux than tinkering with windows |
| 18:28.02 | elg | because the tinkerers have found linux |
| 18:28.09 | mrpull | my argument can be summed up in one word |
| 18:28.12 | mrpull | Gentoo |
| 18:30.24 | elg | well there's wasting time and then there's staring at a computer needlessly compiling things for hours |
| 18:30.29 | findlay | gentoo does make it very easy to tinker with *everything* |
| 18:30.57 | findlay | it's actually one of the easier distros I've used |
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| 18:32.33 | elg | mrpull: but levi exempted you by definition |
| 18:32.45 | elg | if you benefitted from tinkering, you're exempt. rather tidy, I say |
| 18:34.01 | findlay | indeed. It gets dangerous in academics because who can say whether your tinkering is productive other than yourself and that can be an uneasily tempting situation |
| 18:34.14 | mrpull | i've found there is a lot less need for tinkering now. |
| 18:35.12 | graphyx | now we just need some good untinkering. |
| 18:35.19 | graphyx | www.kingdomofloathing.com |
| 18:37.09 | mrpull | graphyx: this looks like a swell diversion from tinkering |
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| 18:37.17 | mrpull | a much better use of time (or not) |
| 18:38.03 | redbeard1 | oh man. i LOVE my insurance. |
| 18:38.23 | redbeard1 | tho i've gotta wonder why i was prescribed such an expensive pill. |
| 18:39.11 | graphyx | to make the pharmacy some money. |
| 18:39.15 | graphyx | And the drug companies. |
| 18:39.18 | redbeard1 | i guess so |
| 18:39.22 | redbeard1 | lots of money in this case |
| 18:39.54 | graphyx | how much do the pills run you? |
| 18:40.08 | redbeard1 | well, without insurance, these would have been $250 |
| 18:40.11 | redbeard1 | for 10 of them |
| 18:40.24 | redbeard1 | with insurance, my co-pay was $20 |
| 18:41.36 | goozbach | $25/pill |
| 18:41.39 | goozbach | wow |
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| 18:42.02 | redbeard1 | i know |
| 18:42.11 | redbeard1 | i feel like i'm living the high life now |
| 18:42.29 | redbeard1 | and i haven't even taken the pill yet |
| 18:42.56 | elg | redbeard1: did you get my tamale recipe scan? |
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| 18:44.37 | redbeard1 | elg: i did, thank you |
| 18:44.43 | elg | how does it look? |
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| 18:45.56 | amcnabb | redbeard1, it's not too often you feel priveleged to need medicine. :) |
| 18:48.03 | redbeard1 | elg: looks as simple as i thought it might be. why does everyone tell me it's a pain to make them? |
| 18:48.08 | redbeard1 | amcnabb: it's true |
| 18:49.14 | redbeard1 | tensai, your recipe looks pretty good too. maybe i should make tamales tomorrow. |
| 18:49.26 | elg | redbeard1: it's a phenomenon that permeates society. certain things are labeled as hard and everyone believes it |
| 18:49.50 | elg | and if it wasn't hard enough, they make up extra idempotent rules to make it harder |
| 18:50.05 | elg | i wish the phenomenon had a good name |
| 18:50.33 | tensai | we'll call it the Elg Conspiracy |
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| 18:50.52 | redbeard1 | every time i ask a mexican to teach me to make tamales, i have to convince them that i really do want to learn, no matter how hard it is. and then when they agree, they tell me they'll have to find a day when they're not busy, because it takes _all day_ |
| 18:51.26 | elg | redbeard1: they love their tamales but they mostly only make them once or twice a year |
| 18:51.34 | elg | it's partially a defense against guilt, partially tradition |
| 18:51.42 | elg | and mostly because for them it's a social thing |
| 18:51.49 | elg | a whole bunch of ladies get together and make tamales all day |
| 18:51.53 | elg | a lot of tamales |
| 18:51.56 | elg | like, a lot |
| 18:52.04 | elg | and they talk talk talk |
| 18:52.43 | goozbach | I'll second that |
| 18:52.46 | graphyx | whats the post for tomales? |
| 18:52.53 | graphyx | or rather whats the url? |
| 18:52.57 | findlay | ibot: elg conspiracy is A phenomenon that permeates society. Certain things are labelled as hard and everyone believes it. |
| 18:52.58 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 18:53.39 | redbeard1 | graphyx: http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/tamale.pdf |
| 18:53.44 | redbeard1 | assuming he still has it up |
| 18:53.50 | graphyx | it's there. |
| 18:53.54 | graphyx | a PDF? |
| 18:54.06 | elg | graphyx: is that a problem? |
| 18:54.12 | tensai | graphyx: potentially delicious food |
| 18:54.14 | goozbach | I just refuted you! BHAH! |
| 18:54.20 | goozbach | take THAT! |
| 18:54.27 | goozbach | oh crap! |
| 18:54.29 | elg | ~chalk goozbach |
| 18:54.52 | fozzmoo | goozbach: did a walkthrough of the Depot on Wed. |
| 18:54.57 | redbeard1 | ~quiche goozbach |
| 18:54.59 | ibot | real bots don't eat quiche |
| 18:54.59 | graphyx | wow that's quite the effort. |
| 18:55.21 | findlay | ~calcium carbonate |
| 18:56.55 | goozbach | fozzmoo: whatdda think? |
| 18:57.09 | goozbach | you gonna display on their system? |
| 18:57.17 | goozbach | as well as the screen? |
| 18:57.34 | goozbach | hang the plane? |
| 18:57.41 | goozbach | pyrotenics? |
| 18:57.47 | goozbach | man I wish I was there |
| 18:58.00 | goozbach | if I got on a plane tonight, I culd be there for the show. |
| 18:58.03 | goozbach | ... |
| 18:58.10 | fozzmoo | Yeah- we're sending a feed to their screens. |
| 18:58.14 | fozzmoo | no pyro. |
| 18:58.16 | fozzmoo | No plane. |
| 18:58.19 | fozzmoo | No gun. |
| 18:58.21 | goozbach | :( |
| 18:58.24 | goozbach | no gun? |
| 18:58.25 | fozzmoo | They're very anal. |
| 18:58.29 | goozbach | aww man |
| 18:58.38 | fozzmoo | We probably shouldn't call it a gun. |
| 18:58.44 | maquis | gun? |
| 18:58.49 | fozzmoo | sheep gun. |
| 18:58.55 | fozzmoo | It's like a potato gun. |
| 18:59.07 | goozbach | how about "stuffed animal propeller device" |
| 18:59.08 | fozzmoo | We use it to shoot stuffed animals. |
| 18:59.12 | findlay | duh, I forgot. Perl returns the value of the last statement, right? |
| 18:59.14 | goozbach | sapd |
| 18:59.20 | fozzmoo | I think w should just call it a sheep tosser. |
| 18:59.26 | goozbach | "gun" scares people |
| 18:59.41 | goozbach | "pyrotechnics" scares people |
| 19:00.06 | fozzmoo | We need an arsenal of air powered confetti cannons |
| 19:00.08 | goozbach | "BIG olde flying plane that flys around your club and crashes into a big explosion" scares people |
| 19:00.46 | goozbach | well they lost cool points for not allowing the gun |
| 19:01.10 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i've decided to name my gazpacho recipe after you. because that would be cool. |
| 19:01.10 | redbeard1 | goozpacho. |
| 19:01.10 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:01.10 | goozbach | WOOHOO!!! |
| 19:01.19 | goozbach | goozpacho!!! |
| 19:01.21 | goozbach | YEAH! |
| 19:01.22 | maquis | redbeard1: he doesn't need an ego boost :) |
| 19:01.31 | fozzmoo | goozbach: They also kinda suck for not having a hazer |
| 19:01.32 | findlay | G.O.Z. Bach |
| 19:01.43 | fozzmoo | and they won't let us use our fog machine. |
| 19:01.50 | goozbach | maquis: is just jealous she doesn't have a recipie named after her? |
| 19:01.52 | redbeard1 | maquis: i know, but "Goozpacho" is a way cooler sounding name than "Joseph's Gazpacho" |
| 19:02.05 | goozbach | holy crap! |
| 19:02.05 | Jayce^ | poozgacho? |
| 19:02.09 | goozbach | no hazer? |
| 19:02.14 | goozbach | no fog macnine? |
| 19:02.26 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I'm going to have to rent an approved hazer from Oasis Stage Werks |
| 19:02.31 | maquis | anyone know anything about how flights are doing today? are they running vaguely ontime? |
| 19:02.33 | findlay | I bet they'd let you do Mozart |
| 19:02.46 | goozbach | well at least you can have haze |
| 19:03.14 | fozzmoo | They said the fire system goes off with the chemical fog. |
| 19:03.18 | graphyx | goozbach: it's cause you are really cold. |
| 19:03.18 | fozzmoo | Kinda lame. |
| 19:03.51 | fozzmoo | But we'll get that hazer in and run it for several hours before the show starts. Should make things look awesome. |
| 19:03.59 | fozzmoo | I just think it's lame they don't have one installed. |
| 19:04.27 | findlay | do you need haze for Mozart? |
| 19:04.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:04.56 | findlay | I'm so funny |
| 19:05.47 | redbeard1 | there we go. goozpacho. |
| 19:06.38 | elg | hey emcnabb star trek turns 40 in september |
| 19:07.43 | fozzmoo | Only 40. Wow. |
| 19:07.51 | fozzmoo | I guess that makes sense. |
| 19:07.53 | fozzmoo | 1966 |
| 19:08.01 | fozzmoo | It's not THAT old. |
| 19:12.12 | herlo | findlay: looking... |
| 19:12.45 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Thom and I edited the WYWH intro last night (again) |
| 19:13.02 | atoponce | findlay: looks aren't everything... :) |
| 19:13.53 | herlo | fozzmoo: I was considering going to the "Sons of Provo" on Saturday, you think there'll be plenty of tix at the door? I am only looking at arriving around 7:30-8pm |
| 19:14.12 | redbeard1 | wow. now i know why this zofran stuff is so expensive. it has a killer strawberry flavor. |
| 19:14.48 | fozzmoo | herlo: Sons Of Provo? |
| 19:14.49 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:15.23 | fozzmoo | herlo: The Depot has lots of room. |
| 19:15.34 | fozzmoo | I think there will be tickets left. |
| 19:15.51 | fozzmoo | I would say I hope, anyway, but I actually hope it'll sell out. hehheh. |
| 19:16.08 | fozzmoo | Sons of NOTHING! |
| 19:17.17 | fozzmoo | zofran? Is that an antidepressant? |
| 19:17.34 | vontrapp | redbeard1: yeah, i'm getting married |
| 19:17.35 | elg | fozzmoo: you're thinking of voltron |
| 19:17.45 | vontrapp | i certainly am and it's coming right up |
| 19:17.47 | vontrapp | i can't wait |
| 19:17.56 | vontrapp | THIS wednesday! |
| 19:18.01 | fozzmoo | whoa. |
| 19:18.06 | elg | and yet you have to wait another 5 days. ironic |
| 19:18.20 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 19:18.30 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: You better wait. |
| 19:18.38 | fozzmoo | I highly recommend sticking to the schedule. :) |
| 19:18.40 | elg | yeah, no fair getting married before you get married |
| 19:19.02 | vontrapp | well, we're driving out to california tomorrow, maybe we'll stop in vegas |
| 19:19.04 | fozzmoo | Although, in the long run, I don't think it matters if you elope. |
| 19:19.04 | vontrapp | :-p |
| 19:19.30 | fozzmoo | If you have the marriage license already, you're pretty much married anyway. |
| 19:20.36 | redbeard1 | when we got our marraige license, there was a disclaimer on the wall. apparently if either of us was defective, we couldn't get an exchange. |
| 19:20.37 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 19:20.51 | elg | by the power invested in me by ChanServ, I declare you fozzmoo and goozbach |
| 19:21.18 | graphyx | redbeard1: That's funny. |
| 19:21.23 | fozzmoo | oh dear. I do n't like where this is going. |
| 19:21.52 | fozzmoo | redbeard1: Clerks with a sense of humor, eh? |
| 19:21.59 | graphyx | I think that they could put something similar similar on the wall in the birthing rooms in the hospital |
| 19:22.02 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: yeah. it was pretty rad. |
| 19:22.08 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, hope your wife paid attention to that |
| 19:22.17 | redbeard1 | the other couple in there at the time didn't think it was so funny |
| 19:22.34 | redbeard1 | nat and i were joking about it with the clerk, and the other couple kept glaring at us |
| 19:22.37 | fozzmoo | redbeard1: Probably not their first marriage. :) |
| 19:22.41 | vontrapp | well, if you're not secure with your choice and such a thing worries you ....... |
| 19:22.42 | graphyx | perhaps they needed to reconsider marriage if they didn't appreciate it. |
| 19:22.43 | redbeard1 | heh |
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| 19:25.14 | vontrapp | redbeard1: did you try those yams? |
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| 19:26.52 | herlo | fozzmoo, thought it was sons of nothing... |
| 19:28.32 | vontrapp | so how come Time can't compare to Date (ruby)? |
| 19:29.37 | fozzmoo | I'd say Ruby's a little messed up. |
| 19:29.51 | fozzmoo | Nothing that stupid in Perl. :) |
| 19:29.59 | herlo | fozzmoo: http://fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/alone?id=485 per your link its Sons of Nothing! |
| 19:30.01 | vontrapp | ArgumentError: comparison of Date with Time failed |
| 19:30.19 | fozzmoo | herlo: Yeah. Not Sons Of Provo. |
| 19:30.28 | fozzmoo | That's a stupid LDS comedy film. |
| 19:30.35 | fozzmoo | Well, I dunno if it's stupid. |
| 19:30.38 | fozzmoo | Anyone seen it? |
| 19:30.41 | fozzmoo | Sons Of Provo? |
| 19:30.58 | fozzmoo | Sons Of Nothing was around BEFORE Sons Of Provo. |
| 19:31.01 | vontrapp | some of the songs annoy me, i skip them |
| 19:31.16 | vontrapp | haven't seen the movie |
| 19:31.24 | vontrapp | s/some/most/ |
| 19:31.28 | herlo | fozzmoo: explain |
| 19:32.05 | fozzmoo | herlo: I'll explain in person. ;-) |
| 19:32.11 | vontrapp | elg: you leaving tues or mon? |
| 19:32.46 | herlo | okay, I'll look for you there... |
| 19:33.24 | fozzmoo | heh. power savings. |
| 19:37.15 | elg | mon afternoon probably |
| 19:37.32 | elg | i've seen the movie. it's... odd |
| 19:37.35 | elg | but funny |
| 19:37.41 | elg | when it's not funny it's odd |
| 19:38.41 | fozzmoo | Okay. I retract my "stupid" comment. |
| 19:38.52 | fozzmoo | It's an odd and funny LDS film. |
| 19:41.26 | elg | you're on irc in the tub? |
| 19:41.31 | redbeard1 | thank you, fozzmoo, for playing TMI |
| 19:41.49 | fozzmoo | elg: You should not be surprised at this point. |
| 19:42.22 | elg | ~electrocute fozzmoo |
| 19:42.24 | ibot | ACTION puts 40,000 volts through fozzmoo |
| 19:42.30 | fozzmoo | Wheeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 19:42.32 | fozzmoo | Just what I needed. |
| 19:42.44 | fozzmoo | Everything makes so much more sense now. |
| 19:43.05 | fozzmoo | Who knew electroshock therapy was the answer? |
| 19:43.19 | goozbach | THAT was fun |
| 19:43.31 | goozbach | anyone familar with rimage cd printers? |
| 19:43.44 | fozzmoo | rimage? |
| 19:43.52 | goozbach | they use a roll of thermal transfer film to print cds |
| 19:44.20 | goozbach | ~500 of thin CMY film on an easy to conceal roll |
| 19:44.30 | goozbach | http://www.maxoptical.com/prodimages/rimagecmy.jpg |
| 19:44.35 | elg | so you can hide it in your overcoat? |
| 19:44.47 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:45.01 | goozbach | fozzmoo know's what's coming next |
| 19:45.10 | goozbach | so I went into my co-worker's office |
| 19:45.15 | goozbach | stood by the side of the desk |
| 19:45.34 | goozbach | and proceded to pull all the film off the roll and dump it onto his desk |
| 19:45.38 | goozbach | it was great fun |
| 19:45.47 | fozzmoo | On purpose? |
| 19:46.01 | goozbach | kinda like a clown with the scarves that are knotted together and don't end |
| 19:46.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yup |
| 19:46.09 | fozzmoo | Why did you do that? |
| 19:46.12 | goozbach | as he sat there watching me do it |
| 19:46.20 | goozbach | for the heck of it |
| 19:46.23 | goozbach | it was fun |
| 19:46.42 | fozzmoo | I would htink thermal transfer film could be pricey. |
| 19:46.50 | goozbach | it was used |
| 19:46.52 | fozzmoo | Oh! |
| 19:46.58 | goozbach | spent roll |
| 19:47.00 | fozzmoo | Heh. Then fun it would be! |
| 19:47.14 | fozzmoo | I would recommend wrapping you coworker with it! |
| 19:47.24 | goozbach | I'm almost thinking it's worht the $80 to do it with a fresh roll |
| 19:47.29 | fozzmoo | Hold the roll, spin him in in his chair! |
| 19:47.35 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:48.27 | fozzmoo | How much are the Rimage printer/duplicators? |
| 19:48.55 | fozzmoo | Seems like the way to go for short run duplications. |
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| 19:49.51 | goozbach | $4000 |
| 19:49.53 | goozbach | or so |
| 19:50.04 | fozzmoo | Not bad. |
| 19:50.05 | goozbach | I'm gonna put up a craigslist for used rolls |
| 19:50.12 | goozbach | I'm gonna need more of these |
| 19:50.33 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Do they actually pay you to do any actual work there? |
| 19:52.41 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I'm working |
| 19:52.50 | goozbach | on a solution to get me some more ribbon!! |
| 19:53.12 | redbeard1 | goozbach: and how much do you get paid for this again? |
| 19:53.31 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I knew you should have demanded more money for that job. |
| 19:54.07 | redbeard1 | no kidding. talk about being underpaid. |
| 19:54.30 | fozzmoo | oh great. a new kernel in fedora-updates |
| 19:57.06 | vontrapp | rubyers, can you make a range with only one bound? |
| 19:57.24 | vontrapp | e.g. 5..infinity |
| 19:57.39 | vontrapp | anything .. 5 |
| 19:57.52 | vontrapp | anything over five and anything under 5 respectively |
| 19:58.25 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, hehe, sjansen was laughing when I showed the syntax for that in perl6.... apparently didn't like it |
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| 19:58.52 | redbeard1 | why is it gaim only dies when i want to use it for work purposes? |
| 19:58.52 | Jayce^ | ~lart a lack of cheescake |
| 19:59.35 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: you mean a springform? |
| 19:59.58 | vontrapp | yeah, that's it |
| 20:00.30 | vontrapp | well, technically cj got it |
| 20:00.51 | elg | ses, cj is the fiancee. vontrapp, he goes by jc |
| 20:01.29 | vontrapp | heh |
| 20:03.27 | vontrapp | Jayce^: what is the perl syntax |
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| 20:04.21 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: what's up! |
| 20:04.33 | xbmodder_lappy | The beginning of V-for-Vendatta was WEIRD |
| 20:04.42 | Jayce^ | perl6: 5..* for what you want |
| 20:04.47 | vontrapp | it's that mask thin,g, huh? |
| 20:04.59 | vontrapp | sjansen didn't like that? |
| 20:05.09 | Jayce^ | well, there is more too... |
| 20:05.14 | xbmodder_lappy | blowing up a building |
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| 20:05.49 | Jayce^ | some basics there |
| 20:06.22 | fozzmoo | Meow Neko. :) |
| 20:06.41 | vontrapp | nice |
| 20:06.46 | Jayce^ | and *..* is the "koala operator" |
| 20:06.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:06.57 | fozzmoo | Yes, Perl6 will be amazing.\ |
| 20:07.26 | fozzmoo | neybar's computer woke up! |
| 20:07.32 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.33 | vontrapp | does it match eucalyptis leaves? |
| 20:07.50 | neybar | snirrrk! what? |
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| 20:08.22 | Jayce^ | which then leads to... |
| 20:08.51 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.51 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.42 | Jayce^ | multidimensional wildcard :) |
| 20:11.05 | fozzmoo | So, is there really a koala operator? |
| 20:11.13 | Jayce^ | *..* |
| 20:11.38 | fozzmoo | Yeah. so ..* matches infinity? |
| 20:11.49 | fozzmoo | *..* is -inf to +inf ? |
| 20:11.52 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:12.12 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:12.22 | fozzmoo | So... |
| 20:12.49 | fozzmoo | for my $koala (*..*) { ... } |
| 20:13.00 | fozzmoo | (If you're using Damian's ... thing) |
| 20:13.11 | Jayce^ | the "yadda yadda yadda" operator. |
| 20:13.13 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 20:16.46 | bonez39 | Jayce^, know how to set up newsgroups in thunderbird, or anyone else? |
| 20:17.13 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Why? |
| 20:17.21 | fozzmoo | bonez39: It's not tough. |
| 20:17.23 | Jayce^ | don't like it... |
| 20:17.25 | fozzmoo | Just add a newsgroup account. |
| 20:17.30 | Jayce^ | frustrates me to use it |
| 20:17.51 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: What do you use? |
| 20:18.00 | Jayce^ | kmail |
| 20:18.03 | fozzmoo | Ahhhh. |
| 20:18.08 | fozzmoo | My dad uses kmail. |
| 20:18.10 | fozzmoo | It's not bad. |
| 20:18.27 | fozzmoo | Doesn't have all the extension support of Thunderbird, tho. |
| 20:19.08 | goozbach | Jayce^: did I tell you that I had printed up a poster of that Perdioc table of perl operators? |
| 20:19.08 | Jayce^ | never had that be an issue |
| 20:19.15 | Jayce^ | goozbach++ |
| 20:19.19 | goozbach | it's a good 40"x30" |
| 20:19.25 | goozbach | on the wall of my cube |
| 20:50.17 | macnewbold | is there a picture of it online somewhere? |
| 20:54.02 | goozbach | not of my poster as I work in a secured area and they don't allow cameras |
| 20:58.05 | redbeard1 | http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/blog/code/PeriodicTable.html |
| 20:58.06 | brac | [Mark Lentczner's Journal] |
| 20:58.15 | redbeard1 | macnewbold: that's for you |
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| 21:01.28 | goozbach | ahh the table itself |
| 21:04.50 | tensai | grrr people who ask me the same question after I just answer it to them |
| 21:05.05 | goozbach | what question tensai? |
| 21:05.12 | redbeard1 | tensai: what kind of people do you hate? |
| 21:05.16 | redbeard1 | oh, wait... |
| 21:05.26 | herlo | phil windley is in aug l |
| 21:05.33 | tensai | them: "I sent a message and it didn't arrive. Where did it go?" |
| 21:05.42 | goozbach | tensai: which question? |
| 21:05.45 | herlo | linux journal |
| 21:05.48 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:06.03 | tensai | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:07.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ~rlart |
| 21:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 21:08.20 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 21:09.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Did Radio Shack stop carrying ICs? |
| 21:09.18 | xbmodder_lappy | Real ICs |
| 21:09.35 | nick125_lappy | radioshack has gone down hill for a while, dude |
| 21:09.50 | tensai | yes when they adopted the slogan "you've got questions, we've got blank stares" |
| 21:10.18 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 21:10.46 | xbmodder_lappy | Ha |
| 21:11.14 | elg | xbmodder_lappy: were you alive when radio shack was cool? |
| 21:14.02 | tensai | elg: are you sure that radio shack has ever actually been cool? |
| 21:14.22 | neybar | yeah the walls of cell phones, satelite systems and radio controlled cars vs. the itsy bitsy electronics components section |
| 21:14.24 | tensai | geeky maybe, but cool? now they're just the white kid dressed up like a gangsta |
| 21:14.49 | elg | tensai: I'm pretty sure that once they were cool (to us geeks anyway) |
| 21:15.06 | tensai | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/08/04 |
| 21:15.07 | brac | [Penny Arcade! - The Ecology Of The Suburban Thug] |
| 21:15.13 | redbeard1 | and all the kiddies say they're pretty fly (for a white guy) |
| 21:15.40 | neybar | you just had to bring up that song didn't you? |
| 21:15.47 | neybar | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 21:16.15 | redbeard1 | neybar: it's the hydrocodone talking |
| 21:16.35 | neybar | nothing should bring you that low |
| 21:23.36 | atoponce | ·×· |
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| 21:32.24 | tensai | have I complained about nc.rr.com in here yet? |
| 21:32.43 | tensai | well, too bad if I have |
| 21:33.03 | tensai | their mx is too big to fit in a udp response and I think it's causing problems for my dns servers |
| 21:33.21 | tensai | anybody seen weird things happen with tcp dns before? |
| 21:38.13 | Jayce^ | redbeard1 is the champion.. |
| 21:38.20 | Jayce^ | as least his computer is saying that he is |
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| 22:17.54 | elg | ~seen dilvie |
| 22:18.06 | ibot | dilvie <n=dilvie@c-67-166-126-133.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 13d 10h 37m 13s ago, saying: 'who's going to the bbq tonight?'. |
| 22:18.35 | elg | I hope he didn't die of food poisoning |
| 22:18.46 | elg | or get severely burnt |
| 22:19.44 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 22:19.54 | xbmodder_lappy | maybe he tried to light his grill with LN |
| 22:19.55 | xbmodder_lappy | er |
| 22:19.57 | xbmodder_lappy | LH |
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| 22:59.31 | elg | buahaha. I just solicited a donation Tranzport from Frontier Design Group for my dream sequencer |
| 22:59.39 | elg | It never hurts to ask, eh? |
| 23:02.02 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: ping :P |
| 23:04.26 | xbmodder_lappy | nobody tell nick125_lappy that I'm here |
| 23:05.02 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: okay |
| 23:05.03 | nick125_lappy | sure |
| 23:05.04 | nick125_lappy | no problem |
| 23:06.02 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: respond to my PMs. seriously. |
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| 23:16.17 | bonez39 | do any of you know how these search services work? how do they gather public records on people? |
| 23:17.06 | levi_home | Yay, I am done with my classes! |
| 23:17.15 | redbeard1 | yay! |
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| 23:19.54 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, lexis-nexis |
| 23:22.05 | xbmodder_lappy | Lexis-Nexis isn't cheap though |
| 23:28.24 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 23:29.39 | levi_home | maquis: And that's done done for you, right? |
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| 23:35.18 | maquis | levi_home: yup |
| 23:36.13 | elg | when does amazon get your soul? |
| 23:36.23 | levi_home | maquis: Woo! |
| 23:36.39 | levi_home | That must be exciting. |
| 23:37.27 | maquis | levi_home: yup |
| 23:37.28 | maquis | :) |
| 23:39.35 | elg | then she'll be an amazon warrior woman |
| 23:40.24 | maquis | yup |
| 23:40.35 | maquis | (well, not for a little over a month, but yeah) |
| 23:41.06 | amcnabb | TimRiker, we're currently in testing for our new bzflag stuff for CS 470. |
| 23:42.59 | TimRiker | cool. I'll have to hear about it later... I'm off. |
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| 23:52.29 | redbeard2 | ~lart elg |
| 23:55.33 | levi_home | Yow, thank goodness for irssi's paste protection. |
| 23:55.45 | levi_home | My cat almost pasted 80 lines. :P |
| 23:56.06 | redbeard2 | ah, cats. gotta love em. |
| 23:57.38 | levi_home | I get to hang out with my daughter while my wife goes out to scrapbook with a friend. |
| 23:57.46 | levi_home | She's staring intently at the screen. |
| 23:59.26 | redbeard2 | hello, daughter! |
| 23:59.50 | redbeard2 | (i don't know how else to address her) |
