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| 00:54.21 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: you in here? |
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| 01:10.52 | sargun | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 01:10.58 | ibot | jayce^ is currently on #utah (13h 43m 4s). Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 1h 23m 38s, last said: 'at least 50 didn't go :)'. |
| 01:12.22 | redbeard2 | hey pmcnabb |
| 01:13.28 | pmcnabb | hi redbeard2 |
| 01:17.12 | redbeard2 | pmcnabb: what are you doing logging in from northsky? |
| 01:17.30 | pmcnabb | it's the only connection i can get to right now |
| 01:17.47 | redbeard2 | you're not hanging out with those shifty plug people are you? |
| 01:20.50 | redbeard2 | pmcnabb: i'll give you an extra cheesecake tartlet if you throw something at jayce while he's talking |
| 01:21.21 | redbeard2 | you know you want to |
| 01:22.13 | redbeard2 | pmcnabb: everybody's doing it |
| 01:22.19 | redbeard2 | you'll be popular |
| 01:22.28 | redbeard2 | you can sit at the cool kids' table at plug |
| 01:24.12 | goozbach | tarlet in Jayce^'s face is good |
| 01:24.21 | goozbach | somebody get a camera ready |
| 01:24.29 | redbeard2 | ~brulee Jayce^ |
| 01:24.31 | ibot | ACTION whisks Jayce^ with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
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| 01:31.53 | hans | ~pie Jayce^ |
| 01:31.54 | ibot | ACTION hits Jayce^ in the face with a cream pie |
| 01:32.03 | hans | ~pie redbeard2 |
| 01:32.06 | ibot | ACTION hits redbeard2 in the face with a cream pie |
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| 01:41.24 | redbeard2 | ~quiche hans |
| 01:41.26 | ibot | real bots don't eat quiche |
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| 01:57.22 | emcnabb | ~lart pmcnabb |
| 01:57.26 | emcnabb | ~lart amcnabb |
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| 02:20.29 | sargun | FARNSWORTH: Well, in those days Mars was just a dreary, uninhabitable wasteland, uh, much like Utah. But unlike Utah, it was eventually made livable, when the university was founded in 2636. |
| 02:21.56 | goozbach | I love that episoide |
| 02:22.30 | sargun | lol |
| 02:22.36 | sargun | I love every futurama episode |
| 02:22.43 | sargun | they restarted from season one :D |
| 02:40.18 | levi_home | Whew, my paper is nearly finished. |
| 02:40.59 | levi_home | Anyone on from PLUG? |
| 02:49.37 | harleypig | yeah |
| 02:49.54 | levi_home | How was the cheesecake? |
| 02:50.06 | harleypig | Um ... redbeard2 is sitting beside me ... |
| 02:50.19 | harleypig | It was really really really good. |
| 02:50.20 | harleypig | :> |
| 02:50.26 | levi_home | Mmm. I'm jealous. |
| 02:50.38 | levi_home | My wife made some darned yummy dinner, though, so I'm not too bummed. |
| 02:50.50 | levi_home | Any interesting stuff being presented? |
| 02:51.36 | harleypig | State of Perl 6 ... comments on mastering vim |
| 03:00.32 | levi_home | Hey, maquis. |
| 03:00.42 | maquis | levi_home: hello |
| 03:01.47 | levi_home | Bah. College wards are full of pressure that way. |
| 03:02.21 | levi_home | Apparently you're not missing out on much, since they're just talking about perl and vim. ;) |
| 03:03.20 | maquis | and cheesecake |
| 03:03.36 | levi_home | True. How could you choose enrichment over cheesecake? |
| 03:03.45 | levi_home | I mean... c'mon! |
| 03:03.52 | maquis | levi_home: peer pressure? |
| 03:03.58 | levi_home | I only missed it because I have this paper hanging over my head. |
| 03:04.28 | levi_home | maquis: Peer pressure? Bah! Cheesecake! |
| 03:05.06 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:06.17 | maquis | doh |
| 03:09.00 | redbeard2 | maquis: we still have cheesecake here |
| 03:09.14 | levi_home | How can there still be cheesecake? |
| 03:09.27 | redbeard2 | there were fewer than 48 people |
| 03:10.35 | redbeard2 | actually, there's only a few cheesecakes left. i'm sure they'll disappear in the next few minutes |
| 03:11.32 | redbeard2 | ~lart harleypig |
| 03:11.36 | harleypig | 1 less |
| 03:11.43 | redbeard2 | hey |
| 03:17.05 | harleypig | the rest of the cheesecake is about to disappear. |
| 03:17.11 | redbeard2 | pig |
| 03:17.24 | harleypig | oink |
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| 03:34.27 | maquis | ok... stupid question |
| 03:34.56 | maquis | if i download the 56k version of a video clip, it works fine... if i download the 300k version of the clip, it doesn't have sound |
| 03:35.08 | maquis | what could cause that? |
| 03:37.39 | elg | maybe you can't hear at 300khz |
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| 03:42.37 | macnewbold | can your dog hear it? |
| 03:43.20 | nick125_lappy | I can't remember the name of that other embedded board, like soekris |
| 03:43.25 | maquis | macnewbold: unfortunately, despite the success my friends had with keeping a puppy, having a dog is actually not allowed here |
| 03:44.00 | macnewbold | nick125_lappy: is it gumstix? |
| 03:44.07 | nick125_lappy | no, it wasn't.. |
| 03:44.22 | macnewbold | embedded boards for what? |
| 03:45.05 | nick125_lappy | x86 embedded (for wireless routers is what I'm thinking of) |
| 03:45.29 | macnewbold | ah |
| 03:46.18 | levi_home | Anyone know of a good LaTeX document that describes all the features in the article document type? |
| 03:48.03 | elg | no |
| 03:48.16 | elg | but I find the not so short latex manual helpful, in general |
| 03:48.39 | levi_home | Yeah, that one was quite helpful. |
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| 03:50.46 | sargun | maquis, hey |
| 04:01.12 | nick125_lappy | WRAP, thats the name |
| 04:01.31 | maquis | sargun: hello |
| 04:01.46 | nick125_lappy | sargun: .. hi |
| 04:01.51 | nick125_lappy | you didn't say hi to me |
| 04:07.47 | goozbach | finally a note to self that isn't my fault |
| 04:08.16 | goozbach | note to everone but myself: if you sign something via GPG MAKE your public key available |
| 04:08.54 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 04:09.49 | goozbach | you know what game I don't like? |
| 04:09.56 | goozbach | "Lets find the bad smell" |
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| 04:10.30 | goozbach | I live in a bachelor house for sure |
| 04:10.39 | goozbach | something in our kitchen died |
| 04:10.48 | goozbach | and I cant figure out what |
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| 04:40.18 | levi_home | Hmm, does BibTeX have a way to reference web documents these days? |
| 04:54.52 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 04:55.42 | mheath | How long have power outlets been the standard 120V AC? |
| 04:56.11 | mheath | If I was to take my laptop back to, say, 192-, could I plug it into an outlet and have it work? |
| 04:58.06 | nick125_lappy | I think it was before 1920 |
| 04:59.39 | mheath | nick125, nah. I know that before the turn of the century, and a bit after, at least, there was no standard |
| 05:00.01 | mheath | westinghouse+tesla were fighting against Edison in AC vs. DC even |
| 05:00.33 | mheath | if you had power, it might have been either, and houses weren't typically wired for it either. Specific lines leading to specific things for specific tasks |
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| 05:15.09 | levi_home | Grr, I can't get bibtex to output a URL. LaTeX chokes when it does. |
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| 05:26.05 | mheath | anyone here into shortwave radio, or know anything about it? |
| 05:31.20 | findlay | levi_home: I've never had problems like that before |
| 05:35.23 | levi_home | findlay: I didn't have \url defined, apparently. I added a hyperref package that fixed it. |
| 05:36.12 | levi_home | I finally got things working the way I wanted. |
| 05:38.16 | findlay | ~congratulate levi_home |
| 05:38.23 | ibot | ACTION congratulates levi_home on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 05:40.17 | levi_home | OK, time for bed. |
| 05:44.13 | mheath | likewise. |
| 05:44.27 | mheath | tomorrow i set up Ubuntu on here for my sister. Easier to use. |
| 05:52.01 | findlay | what is bed and why is it to be gone to? |
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| 12:13.54 | goozbach | bed is like a needy girlfriend... |
| 12:14.28 | Tene | what is the need to eat like? |
| 12:14.40 | goozbach | don't spend enough time / day with it, and it gets mean. |
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| 13:00.23 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 13:00.33 | goozbach | bah morning |
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| 13:10.21 | redbeard1 | ~lart mornings |
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| 13:17.28 | atoponce | ~onjoin mheath ping atoponce |
| 13:17.30 | ibot | atoponce: ok |
| 13:37.13 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 13:52.31 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 13:52.41 | goozbach | ~onion elg |
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| 14:25.25 | goozbach | herlo: you on the road this week? |
| 14:25.42 | goozbach | have fun getting back to SLC if so. |
| 14:27.11 | redbeard1 | goozbach: why? |
| 14:28.09 | goozbach | increased security at the airports |
| 14:28.19 | redbeard1 | really? why? |
| 14:28.35 | goozbach | due to the foiled terrorist attack yesterday and this morning |
| 14:28.59 | goozbach | no liquids on domestic flights |
| 14:29.12 | redbeard1 | there was a foiled terrorist attack? |
| 14:29.17 | goozbach | no carry on luggage if flying from UK -> US |
| 14:29.21 | goozbach | yup |
| 14:29.40 | redbeard1 | wow. reading it on cnn now. |
| 14:29.48 | goozbach | http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/15242600.htm |
| 14:29.50 | brac | [MercuryNews.com | 08/10/2006 | Bay Area airports increase security after raised threat level] |
| 14:29.59 | goozbach | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm |
| 14:30.01 | brac | [BBC NEWS | UK | 'Airlines terror plot' disrupted] |
| 14:30.31 | goozbach | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terror_plot |
| 14:30.42 | goozbach | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207709,00.html |
| 14:31.09 | goozbach | I must say... Catalyst is pretty easy to get up and running |
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| 14:31.38 | Jayce^ | goozbach, except for all the dependencies :) |
| 14:31.49 | Jayce^ | that's the hardest part |
| 14:31.58 | Jayce^ | since they are never all packaged |
| 14:39.24 | goozbach | well yeah that |
| 14:39.35 | goozbach | I'm talking from the point you have it installed |
| 14:39.42 | goozbach | let me rephrase |
| 14:39.59 | goozbach | getting an application written and running under catalyst is pretty easy |
| 14:40.11 | Jayce^ | yes, that is |
| 14:40.12 | goozbach | once catalyist is istalled |
| 14:50.50 | goozbach | awesome blog entry redbeard1 |
| 14:51.39 | goozbach | yesterday I just asked this girl out buy saying "I want to cook you dinner" -- lets see what happens friday :) |
| 14:51.58 | redbeard1 | goozbach: that's awesome! you have anything in mind yet? |
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| 15:00.21 | goozbach | those fajitas I was talking about yesterday |
| 15:00.25 | goozbach | nummy |
| 15:00.49 | redbeard1 | fajitas are definitely good |
| 15:00.50 | goozbach | but I've got to make tortillas |
| 15:00.57 | goozbach | which is time consuming |
| 15:01.03 | redbeard1 | you roll them out yourself, or do you have a press? |
| 15:01.19 | goozbach | corn tortillas, and yes I have a press |
| 15:01.24 | goozbach | 10" |
| 15:01.26 | redbeard1 | blue corn? |
| 15:01.44 | goozbach | nah, just Ma Seca |
| 15:02.23 | redbeard1 | when i was at bobby flay's, they gave us chile corn muffins that were half blue half yellow |
| 15:02.43 | Jayce^ | just a note for the ubuntu list poster, instead of just posting the whole press release, please do a teaser, and then link for the full content..... |
| 15:03.10 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: amen to that one |
| 15:05.20 | goozbach | cheese fried donut pencil |
| 15:05.27 | goozbach | nummy |
| 15:06.21 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you won't find blue maseca, but regular blue corn meal seems to work just as well |
| 15:08.44 | goozbach | has it been limed? |
| 15:13.25 | goozbach | meh, looks like that's nothing but a nutrition thing |
| 15:13.37 | goozbach | I wonder if it tastes different... |
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| 15:20.31 | mheath | this is freakin rediculous. |
| 15:20.57 | mheath | Exepected Delivery Date: 08/09/2006 |
| 15:21.14 | mheath | Scheduled Ship Date: not yet shipped |
| 15:21.22 | mheath | I got charged $20 for this |
| 15:22.01 | mheath | Yet, I can't get ANYONE on the phone who can help me, who knows anythign about my order, or even who can d anything with my order number. |
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| 15:22.48 | graphyx | mheath: I find it interesting, a business plan that includes put up expected delivery dates prior to confirmation that the shipping has started. |
| 15:24.15 | mheath | graphyx, apparently they give a delivery date before even having an _idea_ of when they're going to ship it |
| 15:24.24 | mheath | Because the "scheduled ship date" just says "not yet shipped" |
| 15:26.50 | goozbach | s/packages/perl packages/ |
| 15:27.34 | fozzmoo | Shouldn't we all. |
| 15:28.13 | goozbach | The "canned" tests from Catalyst have inspired me |
| 15:28.31 | mheath | This. Is. AGRIVATING |
| 15:28.42 | goozbach | esp with TEST_POD=1 |
| 15:28.53 | goozbach | COMMENT YOUR CODE GOOZBACH!!! |
| 15:32.57 | Jayce^ | mmmm, TEST_POD |
| 15:34.23 | redbeard1 | freakin' goozbach |
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| 15:37.20 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. There's misterpu. :) |
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| 15:48.58 | redbeard1 | http://www.christianchefs.org/school/ |
| 15:49.00 | brac | [Christian Chefs Fellowship - Christian Chefs Culinary Institute] |
| 15:49.30 | redbeard1 | "After many years of expectation, God has provided the facility at Pinehurst Inn in Southern Oregon for a very original culinary program." |
| 15:50.19 | levi | Man, the terrorists don't even have to kill anyone anymore; they just have to come up with some hypothetical plot and leak it to send us running scared. |
| 15:50.46 | redbeard1 | levi: at least they're efficiant |
| 15:50.50 | redbeard1 | efficient? |
| 15:50.52 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 15:54.34 | harleypig | levi: I've claimed the terrorist have won for several years now |
| 15:57.18 | harleypig | We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. So I'm not fat, I'm just really intellient and my head couldn't hold any more so it started filling up the rest of me. |
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| 16:06.04 | mheath | O.o |
| 16:06.14 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath off |
| 16:06.14 | ibot | mheath: ok |
| 16:06.24 | mheath | ~onjoin mheath |
| 16:06.24 | ibot | onjoin for mheath set by mheath on Thu Aug 10 10:06:14 2006: off |
| 16:07.49 | mheath | be back in a bit |
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| 16:09.34 | tensai | ~onjoin -mheath |
| 16:09.34 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 16:10.08 | herlo | UTOS Meeting Tonight, 7-8PM MDT |
| 16:10.08 | herlo | #utos |
| 16:10.44 | atoponce | herlo: i might be a bit late ~15 min or so |
| 16:11.12 | herlo | atoponce: that's fine... |
| 16:11.43 | herlo | I'd have it earlier, but it tends to interfere with other "activities" |
| 16:12.38 | atoponce | heh |
| 16:14.06 | herlo | atoponce: what's that for? |
| 16:16.05 | emcnabb | herlo: i have to fly home today |
| 16:16.14 | emcnabb | out of Boston (of all places) |
| 16:16.33 | atoponce | could the "activities" be "relationship building"? :) |
| 16:16.49 | mheath | atoponce, thanks. I left everything except for the x86 there. |
| 16:16.54 | mheath | atoponce, what kind of dog do you have? |
| 16:17.48 | mheath | what are the stickers for? O.o |
| 16:18.25 | herlo | emcnabb: its gonna suck |
| 16:18.44 | herlo | atoponce: dinner, movie, parties, etc |
| 16:19.01 | atoponce | i have two. a border collie and a lab/chow mix |
| 16:19.19 | atoponce | the lab/chow mix was probably the one barking |
| 16:19.28 | atoponce | they were sent with the disks |
| 16:19.44 | atoponce | herlo: ok. ;) |
| 16:20.20 | herlo | atoponce: could be relationships, but most likely not. I don't enjoy picking up on women in bars or out of town. I do my dating online |
| 16:20.39 | mheath | time to install Ubuntu. I'll be back in a bit :) |
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| 16:25.05 | emcnabb | I wonder how early I should end up going? |
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| 16:30.22 | herlo | emcnabb: I heard that lines are 3-4 hours long and they called the national guard in to control the chaos |
| 16:39.08 | emcnabb | is that for the international flights or domestic? |
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| 17:01.51 | xbmodder_lappy2 | Has anyone here watched brick? |
| 17:09.32 | findlay | ~congratulate xbmodder_lappy2 |
| 17:09.35 | ibot | ACTION congratulates xbmodder_lappy2 on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 17:12.52 | xbmodder_lappy2 | lol |
| 17:17.02 | xbmodder_lappy2 | wait.. |
| 17:17.10 | xbmodder_lappy2 | this is weird |
| 17:18.32 | rsimpkins | I want an iptables system that will allow specific blocks to fall off after a set amount of time. |
| 17:18.41 | rsimpkins | For example "Block this IP for 3 hours." |
| 17:22.08 | rsimpkins | There probably is a way to do it with iptables using the recent module, but I'm not sure how. |
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| 17:35.57 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, iirc tensai or torriem had a script that did some of that based on attacks (login attempt crap, etc) |
| 17:37.08 | tensai | rsimpkins: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/ssh-lockout/ |
| 17:37.32 | tensai | rsimpkins: it's specific to openssh logs, but could be modified easily enough |
| 17:38.55 | findlay | there's denyhosts too |
| 17:39.53 | tensai | I heard the guy who wrote denyhosts eats babies. you don't want to support that kind of thing. use ssh-lockout instead. |
| 17:40.32 | Jayce^ | mmmm, babies |
| 17:40.51 | Jayce^ | I'm sure redbeard1 would have a recipe for that, if he weren't at the dentist right now |
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| 17:45.08 | rsimpkins | I'm more interested in throttling ssh connections instead. The 'recent' patch for iptables looks great. "Block someone out for X seconds if they don't authenticate correctly." I need to find a way to insert IPs directly in there. Pouring over the docs now. |
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| 17:48.09 | nick125_lappy | rsimpkins: you could hackup the script tensai is talking about, or denyhosts to add them to iptables, however, the only problem with that I can see is that if someone had enough hosts, they could potentially cause a DoS effect |
| 17:48.47 | rsimpkins | nick125_lappy: if people had THAT many hosts attacking me - I'm screwed regardless. |
| 17:49.25 | nick125_lappy | Probably..I'm just stating the possibilities |
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| 17:51.49 | goozbach | hah! |
| 17:51.59 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 17:52.02 | nick125_lappy | that's mean |
| 17:54.18 | nick125_lappy | quite mean...if you ask me |
| 17:54.25 | graphyx | nick125: if it was enough hosts.. Wouldn't that equate to a DDoS? |
| 17:54.40 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: actually, yes |
| 17:54.58 | graphyx | rsimpkins: That is what I was thinking. |
| 17:55.07 | graphyx | DDoS is a very hard thing to defend against. |
| 17:55.14 | Sargun | graphyx, depends |
| 17:55.24 | Sargun | on how the attack is carried out, and how your ISP is |
| 17:55.25 | nick125_lappy | Sargun: you can't really limit inbound traffic |
| 17:55.32 | nick125_lappy | you could block it upstream |
| 17:55.43 | graphyx | Sargun Are you suggesting that working with your ISP is a simple thing? |
| 17:55.45 | nick125_lappy | but, thats about it |
| 17:56.24 | Sargun | lol |
| 17:56.34 | tensai | working w/ your isp *can* be easy. would be for me anyway. |
| 17:56.37 | Sargun | nick125_lappy, blackhole the routes to you |
| 17:56.43 | nick125_lappy | for SSH DDoSes, you would simply block the connections at a gateway, which would prevent the server from getting overloaded with SSH requests, and, shells instances |
| 17:56.48 | graphyx | I didn't say it wasn't possible, just that it's hard. |
| 17:56.55 | Sargun | You usually need a big account |
| 17:56.58 | Sargun | like 13k |
| 17:57.00 | Sargun | or so |
| 17:57.14 | graphyx | nick125_lappy: You mean putting into place Router based ACLs? |
| 17:57.19 | nick125_lappy | for ICMP, you can't really do too much while not disturbing normal traffic |
| 17:57.43 | nick125_lappy | graphyx: that would work as well, if ip = x.x.x.x and port = 22, allow though, else deny |
| 17:58.22 | rsimpkins | There are lots and lots of countermeasures for DoS attacks. The trick is they usually come with a trade off. However, you might only need to use them for a day or so before things settle down. |
| 17:58.41 | graphyx | That is true. |
| 17:59.41 | rsimpkins | I've seen dozens of DoS attack times. From simple syn attacks, to more complex flood attacks. There has only been a few that were REALLY hard to deal with. |
| 18:00.08 | rsimpkins | Most people aren't usually the target of a large botnet. If you are - then - well, sorry. :) |
| 18:00.17 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 18:00.32 | graphyx | So you are thinking of unintential DoS attacks perhaps? |
| 18:00.37 | graphyx | Like a slashdotting? |
| 18:01.02 | rsimpkins | MaxClients=20. ;) |
| 18:01.06 | graphyx | Lets enumerate the DoS attacks possible. |
| 18:01.14 | nick125_lappy | to help reduce a slashdotting, usually limiting the amount of concurrent traffic works well |
| 18:01.14 | rsimpkins | there are dozens of types. |
| 18:01.18 | graphyx | Content level attacks. X users loading pages. |
| 18:01.27 | graphyx | Bandwidth attacks, X uses downloading a 10 Meg file. |
| 18:01.31 | graphyx | Syn floods. |
| 18:01.34 | graphyx | Arp storms |
| 18:01.55 | graphyx | What else belongs on the list? |
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| 18:06.15 | sjansen | Repeatedly calling sysadmins at 3am so that they're groggy and sloppy when they get to work. |
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| 18:13.29 | emcnabb | Denial of Service... that's what sjansen was getting yesterday when talking to Dell |
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| 18:29.56 | goozbach | http://www.yotank.com/products.html |
| 18:30.04 | goozbach | cool product for your ipod |
| 18:32.34 | Sargun | That was th weirdest movie ever |
| 18:38.24 | mrpull | goozbach: what in the world is the "adults only" link on yotank? |
| 18:42.09 | nick125_lappy | mrpull: it's nothing bad :P |
| 18:44.36 | sjansen | "Kid Controls |
| 18:44.36 | sjansen | Parental Access Denied |
| 18:44.36 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.36 | sjansen | Parents GET OUT!!!!! |
| 18:44.37 | sjansen | " |
| 18:45.08 | sjansen | So there we have it. With a URL like http://www.yotank.com/kids.html it probably wasn't too bad. |
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| 18:48.41 | Sargun | heh |
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| 18:55.28 | goozbach | emcnabb: herlo sjansen and anyone else who has to fly: http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060810/BREAKING20/60810012 |
| 18:56.20 | sjansen | goozbach: Bryan noticed that just a couple hours ago. |
| 18:57.26 | sjansen | Lamont, Clint & Dax are on the road right now. Bryan and Thad (a new hire) will be the only ones travelling next week. |
| 18:57.34 | sjansen | Here's hoping the policy doesn't last long. |
| 18:59.55 | goozbach | Thad? |
| 18:59.58 | goozbach | anyone I know? |
| 19:05.14 | goozbach | sjansen: how was the cheesecake last night? |
| 19:06.46 | sjansen | Thad participates on the SLLUG list. I don't really know anything about him yet other than this is his blog -> http://woodscross.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:07.26 | sjansen | goozbach: The cheesecake was good and plentiful. I stole^?ate more than I should have. |
| 19:09.49 | Sargun | heh |
| 19:11.43 | spr | I agree, it was good, and Stuart ate too much. |
| 19:11.53 | spr | s/Stuart/sjansen/ |
| 19:24.01 | elg | it was much, and good ate too stuart |
| 19:28.04 | sjansen | http://oglobo.globo.com/online/sp/plantao/2006/08/08/285189960.asp <-- For the unfortunates that don't understand Portuguese, a few days ago in Brazil the door of a plane came off in the air and a flight attendant was almost sucked out. |
| 19:30.31 | Sargun | Where can I get a tank of methane, and a nice little hose for it? |
| 19:30.35 | Sargun | small tank of methane |
| 19:31.08 | sjansen | Hmmm... I guess a cow doesn't qualify as "small". |
| 19:31.41 | tensai | sjansen: hooking up the hose is also difficult |
| 19:33.34 | elg | sjansen: is that why we're at orange alert? |
| 19:33.57 | tensai | interesting. konversation has a feature called url catcher. it finds all the urls and adds them to a separate tab. I like it. |
| 19:34.19 | sjansen | No, we're at orange alert because terrorists planned to smuggle binary explosives onto the plane and mix them in the air. |
| 19:34.50 | elg | tensai: even the nsfw ones? |
| 19:36.45 | elg | binary explosives? like bits that can't decide whether to be 0 or 1? |
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| 19:38.13 | sjansen | like chemicals that don't do anything interesting until they're combined, then they go boom |
| 19:39.06 | elg | like the gum in MI |
| 19:39.10 | tensai | is there actually an elg in the room? or are you elg_? I think my nick list is acting funny. |
| 19:39.12 | herlo | oh man, here we go, diesel fuel and fertilizer for sjansen is *way* out of the question. I better start calling every local hardware store |
| 19:39.50 | sjansen | http://www.tannerite.com/she_exploding_targets.html |
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| 19:43.47 | redbeard1 | whee! |
| 19:44.33 | goozbach | awesome |
| 19:44.59 | mheath | Hmm, why is this acting so weird? |
| 19:45.25 | redbeard1 | mheath: it's a communist plot |
| 19:45.35 | atoponce | mheath: what? |
| 19:45.40 | mheath | The firmware cutter tool for my wireless card. |
| 19:45.50 | mheath | I'm using the exact same driver to cut that I used before |
| 19:45.56 | mheath | and its in the "compatible drivers" list |
| 19:46.06 | mheath | yet for some reason, its saying it doesn't know how to cut that file |
| 19:46.07 | elg | like he said |
| 19:46.10 | redbeard1 | oh man. i hate firmware cutters. i eventually gave up on the last one i tried to use. |
| 19:46.38 | mheath | Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by fwcutter. |
| 19:46.38 | mheath | I can't find the MD5sum 35c009f4666dbc07f0f8d5acfb3f33b7 :( |
| 19:46.46 | mheath | Its the exact same one I used before! |
| 19:47.32 | findlay | why does ubuntu have to be so stupid? |
| 19:47.37 | findlay | ~lart ubuntu |
| 19:48.18 | sjansen | It's not Ubuntu's fault. It's your fault. You are a bad person and the universe is punishing you. |
| 19:48.48 | redbeard1 | ~brulee sjansen |
| 19:48.50 | ibot | ACTION whisks sjansen with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 19:48.55 | elg | mmm |
| 19:51.27 | mheath | will someone do me a favor? |
| 19:51.56 | mheath | open up nano, type "test" (minus the ""), save it, and md5sum it |
| 19:52.00 | mheath | I think my md5sum is broken |
| 19:52.57 | tensai | "bash: nano: command not found. try vim instead, idiot" |
| 19:53.06 | tensai | now there's an error message I can get on board with! |
| 19:53.22 | sjansen | That's gotta be an alias. |
| 19:53.56 | atoponce | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:53.56 | tensai | -rw-r--r-- 5 Aug 10 13:53 test |
| 19:53.59 | tensai | d8e8fca2dc0f896fd7cb4cb0031ba249 test |
| 19:54.16 | atoponce | or just 'touch test' |
| 19:54.28 | nick125_lappy | typhoon nick # echo "test" | md5sum |
| 19:54.28 | nick125_lappy | d8e8fca2dc0f896fd7cb4cb0031ba249 - |
| 19:54.28 | nick125_lappy | typhoon nick # |
| 19:54.43 | tensai | atoponce: that's an empty file, not what he requested |
| 19:55.40 | nick125_lappy | mheath: what are you getting? |
| 19:56.09 | mheath | tensai's is right |
| 19:56.13 | mheath | hmmm |
| 19:56.53 | atoponce | -rw-r--r-- 1 aaront aaront 0 2006-08-10 13:54 test |
| 19:57.04 | atoponce | ahh |
| 19:57.10 | mheath | I don't understand what the probelm could be! |
| 19:57.41 | findlay | is there annnn ubuntu imagemagick package? |
| 19:57.47 | findlay | s/nnn// |
| 19:57.59 | atoponce | d8e8fca2dc0f896fd7cb4cb0031ba249 test |
| 19:58.00 | atoponce | there we go |
| 19:58.22 | findlay | s/*/why doesn't ubuntu have an imagemagick package?/ |
| 19:58.53 | sjansen | md5sum is _so_ last year. All the cool kids are using sha1sum now. |
| 19:58.58 | redbeard1 | findlay: it doesn't? |
| 19:59.30 | redbeard1 | isn't there anything in the multiverse? |
| 19:59.39 | sjansen | findlay: I'm pretty sure it does. I vaguely remember using it. It's probably just not core. Have you checked universe? |
| 20:00.02 | findlay | how do I check the universe? |
| 20:00.41 | findlay | ~lart debian's backward package manager |
| 20:00.44 | sjansen | Add it to your repo's. I'll let google tell you more. |
| 20:01.01 | findlay | ~lart sjansen for making me do work |
| 20:01.18 | sjansen | BTW, aptitude is actually pretty slick. |
| 20:01.29 | tensai | I've got imagemagick installed on kubuntu. not quite sure where it came from though. |
| 20:01.34 | sjansen | There are several thinks I don't like about dpkg, but it does have some great ideas. |
| 20:01.44 | mheath | I DON'T UNDERSTAND. |
| 20:01.50 | mheath | AGGH |
| 20:01.55 | goozbach | armpit of america... |
| 20:01.57 | goozbach | that's great |
| 20:02.06 | mheath | Last time i installed this firmware, I had to go through every supported file until I found ONE specific, rather random one that worked with my car |
| 20:02.08 | mheath | *card |
| 20:02.25 | tensai | ubuntu_dists_dapper_main_binary-i386_Packages:Package: imagemagick |
| 20:02.27 | mheath | this time, though, I was able to use their generic install-a-firmware-any-firmware script |
| 20:02.31 | tensai | looks to me like it's in main |
| 20:02.47 | atoponce | aptitude is the _only_ way software should be installed on debian-based systems |
| 20:03.47 | tensai | bah. apt is just a wrapper around wget and dpkg. dpkg is just a wrapper around ar. everybody should be using wget and ar. |
| 20:04.08 | sjansen | ~silence tensai |
| 20:04.09 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in tensai's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 20:04.10 | mheath | Wow, this is the first movie I've seen that uses Velvet Underground music on its soundtrack |
| 20:04.24 | tensai | ooh. nice and warm in here. |
| 20:05.24 | goozbach | mheath: which? |
| 20:05.41 | elg | levi_home: I performed an experiment. two days ago I sent 4 dvds back to netflix |
| 20:05.58 | mheath | goozbach: I don't even know what it is. |
| 20:06.03 | elg | 2 were going to not-albuquerque (denver and seattle, I think), and two were going to alb. |
| 20:06.17 | mheath | I'm very confused. Caught it half way through, doesn't make any sesne to me, but I love the soundtrack |
| 20:06.27 | elg | the two headed to alb. I put one in my mailbox at home and one in a blue mailbox on campus |
| 20:06.34 | mheath | Used the Velvet Underground's "Stephanie Says" |
| 20:06.36 | elg | the two going to abq arrived at the same time (today) |
| 20:06.44 | mheath | brb, need to log out and back in |
| 20:07.00 | elg | the others haven't arrived yet. I deduce that they're not using any post office barcode scanning features |
| 20:08.14 | sjansen | Whoa! acroread includes text to speech! |
| 20:08.30 | elg | ~tts sjansen |
| 20:09.11 | elg | tensai: sure |
| 20:09.59 | redbeard1 | which movie was mheath talking about? |
| 20:11.07 | findlay | ~lart apt for not reading my mind |
| 20:11.13 | goozbach | redbeard1: that cool one which uses Stephanie Says |
| 20:11.36 | goozbach | kinda like there are two types of people in this world: those who need closure... |
| 20:12.00 | elg | ~close goozbach |
| 20:12.01 | ibot | ACTION stands too close to goozbach ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 20:12.12 | redbeard1 | wait! what's the other kind? |
| 20:13.33 | redbeard1 | velvet underground were the ones with lou reed, right? |
| 20:13.52 | levi_home | redbeard1: Yes, VU had Lou Reed. |
| 20:14.09 | atoponce | goozbach: that's not funny. finish it! |
| 20:14.12 | redbeard1 | take a walk on the wild side, man |
| 20:14.32 | levi_home | And they sang about heroin a lot. |
| 20:14.50 | redbeard1 | makes me want to listen to some nico |
| 20:15.49 | atoponce | it's like Who Framed Roger Rabbit- "shave and a haircut..." |
| 20:15.59 | levi_home | I've got some 'best of VU' album. |
| 20:16.22 | redbeard1 | i liked the album with the andy warhol banana |
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| 20:17.41 | redbeard1 | ah, mascote. i barely knew him. |
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| 20:20.08 | levi_home | redbeard1: Hey, I have that album too. I didn't even realize. |
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| 20:20.51 | levi_home | redbeard1: Lots of drug songs on there. |
| 20:21.17 | redbeard1 | yeah. nice and family oriented |
| 20:21.31 | redbeard1 | like kidstoned chewable valiums. |
| 20:22.17 | levi_home | redbeard1: Here's a good family oriented album: Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads |
| 20:22.38 | elg | -lart gems |
| 20:22.45 | mheath | yah, everything works perfectly! |
| 20:22.49 | redbeard1 | levi_home: i might have that one |
| 20:22.59 | redbeard1 | mheath: which movie were you talking about? |
| 20:23.14 | mheath | OK, can anyone recommend some really simple image editing software for Linux? |
| 20:23.27 | mheath | Something I can leave for my sister to use, for croping, turning into black and white, etc. |
| 20:23.33 | mheath | simple and very user friendly. GIMP will NOT suffice. |
| 20:23.55 | mheath | redbeard1: no idea |
| 20:24.02 | mheath | only saw a few minutes of it |
| 20:24.13 | redbeard1 | gah! |
| 20:24.21 | redbeard1 | now i need to know |
| 20:24.37 | mheath | redbeard1: why? You're not a velvet underground fan, are you? :P |
| 20:24.38 | redbeard1 | i will not rest until...zzzzzzZZZZZZ |
| 20:24.49 | redbeard1 | i like velvet underground |
| 20:25.02 | redbeard1 | i like lots of music |
| 20:25.52 | mheath | I love the overall beat and feel of most of their songs. Their instrumentals are pretty good. |
| 20:26.06 | mheath | It's music you can get up and move to |
| 20:26.10 | tensai | mheath: I think I heard picasa runs under wine |
| 20:26.23 | mheath | But, so much of it is 99% about drugs |
| 20:26.36 | mheath | and some of the vocalists are horrible |
| 20:26.38 | mheath | Reed is OK |
| 20:26.45 | elg | try eye of gnome |
| 20:26.56 | mheath | Another question: |
| 20:27.00 | redbeard1 | gah... i don't like eog |
| 20:27.07 | elg | why not? |
| 20:27.27 | mheath | I'm looking for a cheap (~$100) printer/scanner/copier, where all the functions are Linux compatible. |
| 20:28.09 | redbeard1 | elg: it doesn't let you browse a directory with page up/down like the image view does in windows. and it's slower. |
| 20:28.37 | mheath | I think my sister will really like Linux, actually. |
| 20:28.45 | levi_home | I have a Brother MFC420cn, which has good Linux support and can be connected via LAN as well as USB. |
| 20:28.53 | levi_home | I don't recall how much it cost, though. |
| 20:28.55 | mheath | Gnome can be a lot more straight forward than Windows. |
| 20:28.58 | herlo | Samsung I think it was, somebody recommended it to me. Worked out of the box for $150, did scanning, printing and copying all in one |
| 20:29.05 | redbeard1 | mheath: looks like that song is on the royal tenenbaums soundtrack |
| 20:29.16 | mheath | redbeard1: maybe thats what it was. |
| 20:29.24 | levi_home | redbeard1: Which song? |
| 20:29.58 | elg | mheath: my samsung is great |
| 20:30.03 | elg | laser |
| 20:30.06 | elg | if you want color, though |
| 20:30.11 | elg | I have a scx-4100 |
| 20:30.20 | mheath | elg: scanner too? |
| 20:30.22 | levi_home | Screw color. I wish I'd got a laser instead of my inkjet. |
| 20:30.22 | elg | it is $80 when the rebate comes back |
| 20:30.30 | elg | mheath: yeah |
| 20:30.37 | mheath | I'm basically putting together a setup for my sister, who does some minor photo work |
| 20:30.51 | mheath | Scan in pictures to make copies, etc, with no critical take on print qualtiy |
| 20:30.55 | elg | probably bad for photo work. it's just monochrome laser |
| 20:31.14 | levi_home | You can get color prints from any number of places for just a few cents. |
| 20:31.28 | herlo | http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Samsung |
| 20:31.38 | mheath | levi_home: yeah. If she wants prints she'll go to walmart. I'm just saying - she'd like a color printer at home too |
| 20:31.46 | levi_home | I think printing photos on an inkjet is, for most people, a waste of money for marginal quality prints. |
| 20:31.48 | elg | samsung has cups/sane drivers |
| 20:32.09 | mheath | levi_home: depends on the printer. |
| 20:32.20 | levi_home | Inkjet ink is ridiculously expensive, even if the quality is good. |
| 20:32.32 | mheath | levi_home: remember that 'inkjet' covers everything from $50 printers to $500 professional photo printers |
| 20:32.37 | mheath | our HP photosmart is very, very nice. |
| 20:32.51 | mheath | Its very hard to notice a difference between it and professional pritns |
| 20:32.52 | mheath | *prints |
| 20:33.14 | mheath | Networked too. All our other printers are USB. |
| 20:33.20 | levi_home | No doubt there are some home printers with high quality. They are not under $100, though. |
| 20:33.24 | herlo | the link I gave has info about most samsung printers along with drivers and such |
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| 20:34.52 | mheath | I'm also wondering what a nice local dialup internet provider is. |
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| 20:34.54 | elg | herlo: yes, but that site is a little behind the edge |
| 20:35.06 | elg | my printer isn't listed, for example, and it works great |
| 20:35.31 | mheath | I'm also looking for examples of printers that I can go down to the store and buy |
| 20:35.38 | mheath | not a giant list of all printers from the past 10 years taht work |
| 20:36.04 | macnewbold | HP lasers usually work well |
| 20:36.10 | macnewbold | anything that takes postscript will probably work |
| 20:36.24 | sjansen | laser++ |
| 20:36.29 | sjansen | inkjet-- |
| 20:36.30 | sjansen | inkjet-- |
| 20:37.15 | macnewbold | inkjet-=MAXINT |
| 20:37.20 | mheath | sjansen: yeah. Thats great! Lets donate my laptop and a $1,000 color laser printer to my unemployed sister! |
| 20:37.34 | mheath | Oh, hey, Robin! It will only cost you $150 to refill the toner on that... |
| 20:38.03 | mheath | I want a cheap color printer with a scanner built in. Period. I do not care about phenomenal quality. I do not want a laser printer. |
| 20:38.07 | mheath | cheap, simple, and linux compatible. |
| 20:38.09 | macnewbold | mheath: dailup internet provider for where? |
| 20:38.18 | mheath | macnewbold: Ogden area. |
| 20:38.32 | macnewbold | XMission has service up there, IIRC |
| 20:38.41 | macnewbold | their $12 flex account should do quite nicely for you |
| 20:38.48 | mheath | Does anyone know how much Qwest charges for _basic_ local service? |
| 20:38.58 | mheath | No extras. Not even caller ID. No long distance. |
| 20:39.05 | mheath | Just _basic_ local service |
| 20:39.10 | elg | mheath: did you not just hear me? |
| 20:39.23 | elg | I got a monochrome laser for $80 (after rebate) that also has a scanner |
| 20:39.28 | macnewbold | I think you can get away with $20 or less if it's really stripped, maybe $15 |
| 20:39.43 | mheath | elg: DIE. :) |
| 20:40.00 | elg | It will last much longer than an inkjet between refills |
| 20:40.03 | macnewbold | mheath: the most linux compatible printers are lasers |
| 20:40.06 | elg | and refills aren't that much more expensive |
| 20:40.13 | macnewbold | postscript is a great way to be linux-friendly |
| 20:40.14 | elg | and it has better quality |
| 20:40.26 | macnewbold | I have no idea about scanner support under linux, never tried it myself |
| 20:40.27 | elg | if you can live without color, it's a great way to go |
| 20:40.37 | mheath | macnewbold: nonsense. My HP photosmart inkjet works perfectly with Linux. |
| 20:40.42 | macnewbold | and lasers are much less temperamental than inkjets |
| 20:40.49 | mheath | All my printers work perfectly, and I only have one laserjet |
| 20:40.51 | macnewbold | I'm not saying inkjet aren't supported |
| 20:40.54 | elg | and WAY less TCO |
| 20:41.00 | mheath | The scanner on our Lexmark all-in-one doesn't work though :( |
| 20:41.01 | macnewbold | amen, elg |
| 20:41.36 | levi_home | Inkjets are ridiculously expensive, it's just all hidden in the ink. |
| 20:41.42 | macnewbold | yes |
| 20:41.48 | levi_home | Plus they're slow. |
| 20:41.49 | elg | if you want inkjet for printing color, that's one thing |
| 20:41.50 | mheath | agh, my touchpad is doing the same thing again! |
| 20:42.03 | mheath | same thing as last time Ir an ubuntu on here |
| 20:42.22 | mheath | It catches focus in some random weird place, and I can't click on anything until I rightclick on that weird place |
| 20:42.23 | macnewbold | though if you look in the right places, you can get ink (cartriges, not refill kits) for as low as $6 each, bw or color, for the right kind of printer |
| 20:42.36 | macnewbold | the secret is to get a printer that doesn't have print heads in the cartridge |
| 20:42.45 | macnewbold | where the cartridge is just an inkwell |
| 20:42.51 | mheath | elg: Like I said, this is for an unemployed 22 year old computer illterate girl who likes to download pictures her friends send to her AOL e-mail address and print them off. |
| 20:42.52 | macnewbold | IIRC most epson and cannon are that way |
| 20:42.57 | macnewbold | lexmark and HP are not |
| 20:42.59 | mheath | I do not want a monochrome laserjet printer. |
| 20:43.14 | mheath | I want a cheap _COLOR_ printer |
| 20:43.18 | elg | mheath: you're being contradictory |
| 20:43.27 | macnewbold | okay, well it's not going to be cheap in terms of TCO, |
| 20:43.28 | levi_home | Like an unemplyed 22 year old girl can afford monthly ink refills. |
| 20:43.35 | macnewbold | and you're going to have to fix it for her regularly |
| 20:43.38 | macnewbold | probably montly |
| 20:43.42 | elg | she's unemployed, therefore she can afford $60 refills every couple months |
| 20:43.42 | sjansen | And be sure to get inkjets that don't include a chip to force you to buy ink from the manufacturer. |
| 20:43.45 | macnewbold | I thought you said it was on linux? |
| 20:43.49 | elg | instead of an $80 in a year and a half |
| 20:43.59 | elg | ah, you want color. well there's a valid reason |
| 20:44.17 | mheath | elg: her almost exclusive use of this printer will be for printing off cheap and dirty prints of pictures. |
| 20:44.21 | elg | sjansen: yes, otoh those have a tendency to get gummed up heads |
| 20:44.22 | mheath | She would not _use_ a monochrome printer. |
| 20:44.25 | mheath | It would serve no purpose for her. |
| 20:44.35 | elg | mheath: which is what I said in the beginning |
| 20:44.36 | levi_home | mheath: Well, perhaps she shouldn't have a printer, then. |
| 20:44.37 | macnewbold | even cheaper then! |
| 20:44.51 | sjansen | Why do you need color? I'm betting you don't really need color. Color is a waste of money, and cheap inkjet printers are basically designed to be disposbable. Six month life span with luck. |
| 20:44.56 | mheath | hehe, I should just give her my dotmatrix printer. :P |
| 20:45.00 | macnewbold | there you go! |
| 20:45.04 | macnewbold | linux compatible I bet! |
| 20:45.21 | mheath | AGH. |
| 20:45.23 | levi_home | She can easily make prints she needs at WalMart, and it'll probably be cheaper. |
| 20:45.34 | sjansen | On the rare occasion color is needed, go to Kinko's. |
| 20:45.34 | mheath | macnewbold: it is. Though i haven't tried printing color with it. |
| 20:46.02 | mheath | macnewbold: its so basic, you can print to it with a simple echo "test" | /dev/lp0 |
| 20:46.12 | macnewbold | yep, that's beautiful |
| 20:46.18 | levi_home | Ahh, the good ol' days of printing. |
| 20:46.19 | macnewbold | who needs to print graphics, anyway? |
| 20:46.30 | mheath | It can print graphics, too though |
| 20:46.39 | elg | "graphics" :-) |
| 20:46.41 | mheath | its a very late dotmatrix, right before the inkjets game along |
| 20:46.48 | mheath | 3 color |
| 20:46.59 | macnewbold | ooooh, _color_ dotmatrix |
| 20:47.06 | macnewbold | with ribbons and everything? |
| 20:47.16 | mheath | I could never get it setup to do advanced printing in Linux though. Never really tried, though. |
| 20:47.20 | mheath | macnewbold: haha, yep |
| 20:47.28 | mheath | I still have some ribbons for it. Don't know how tried they are. |
| 20:47.35 | mheath | how *dried* they are* |
| 20:47.36 | macnewbold | apsfilter might do it for you |
| 20:48.08 | mheath | It takes the tractor fed paper |
| 20:48.21 | mheath | It has a really bad doesn't work well single sheet feeder attachment though |
| 20:48.51 | sjansen | Man, I miss my old apple ImageWriter. That thing was built like a tank. Heavy, noisy, made the whole table shake, but switch it to text only mode and it could _crank_ out paper! |
| 20:49.07 | levi_home | I loved the ImageWriter, too. |
| 20:49.51 | levi_home | The ImageWriter connected to the Mac Plus. Mmm. Eventually we replaced it with a laser printer. |
| 20:56.42 | graphyx | My dad had the old ibm printers. |
| 20:57.02 | graphyx | The ones with the spherical head that had all the different characters on it that it would turn and hit against the ink threat. |
| 20:57.12 | graphyx | More of a typewritten than a printer really. |
| 20:57.15 | graphyx | Rather cool. |
| 20:58.36 | findlay | we had an old IBM laser printer that was the size of a rectangular cube containing the CRT+tower of the computer |
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| 21:01.42 | levi_home | redbeard1: What, are you listening to VU? |
| 21:02.21 | redbeard1 | levi_home: not at the moment. just had oral surgery this morning, and they gave me my favorite happy drug. |
| 21:02.45 | levi_home | Ahh, heh. |
| 21:03.43 | mheath | beautiful. I don't seem to be experiencing the same wireless drop rates I did before too. |
| 21:03.54 | elg | ~cloche vontrapp |
| 21:08.12 | mheath | one more restart |
| 21:11.12 | levi_home | Well, Velvet Underground & Nico is over. |
| 21:11.24 | levi_home | Time for Depeche Mode, Playing the Angel. |
| 21:16.37 | tensai | if I write a perl module and in it I 'use strict;', does that apply just to the module? or will it carry over to the including script as well? |
| 21:17.26 | redbeard1 | levi_home: time for monopuff for me |
| 21:18.03 | redbeard1 | tensai: i believe it only works within the scope defined |
| 21:18.05 | elg | tensai: it will cause the whole world to go into strict mode |
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| 21:18.16 | elg | and the subway in your town will stop functioning |
| 21:18.27 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 21:19.55 | tensai | redbeard1: that's what I guessed and what appears to be happening. just curious. |
| 21:20.41 | vontrapp | your subway stopped working? |
| 21:21.27 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: elg's train stopped a long time ago |
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| 21:26.08 | tensai | ~subway elg |
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| 21:26.30 | goozbach | what are ibot's other names? |
| 21:26.39 | goozbach | ~names |
| 21:26.59 | tensai | apt, jbot, dpkg |
| 21:28.54 | maquis | purl |
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| 21:30.23 | mheath | Why do hardware manufactuers insist on you using their hardware in only their desired ways? |
| 21:30.57 | mheath | To reinstall windows on his HP laptop (unless you have your own copy of the isntall disks), you have to be running Windows. |
| 21:31.08 | maquis | goozbach: ummm... question for you? |
| 21:31.39 | mheath | To get any help, support, documentation, specifications, or information about this laptop, you have to be running windows, as its only contained in their specially patched version of Windows Help and Support |
| 21:32.02 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
| 21:32.08 | mheath | Say you want monitor specifications...IE, resolutions, sync frequencies.....too bad! |
| 21:32.24 | mheath | Say you want any tecnical information about the hardware you paid hundreds of dollars for.......too bad! |
| 21:32.46 | mheath | I know when hardware manufacturers used to be proud to share this kind of information |
| 21:32.59 | mheath | My older HP laserjet's print test page proudly displays all the technical information you could wnat |
| 21:33.08 | mheath | its postscript compatible! Its PCL compatible! |
| 21:33.25 | mheath | Nowdays, printer boxes just say "Made for Microsoft Windows XP" |
| 21:34.00 | maquis | oh c'mon... he was here 7 minutes ago! |
| 21:34.08 | elg | wait longer! |
| 21:34.13 | mheath | I. HATE. IT. |
| 21:34.32 | elg | maquis: he did say he was going home |
| 21:34.45 | elg | a wholly irresponsible thing to do |
| 21:34.45 | maquis | elg: oh... right |
| 21:34.53 | elg | it's only 5:30 there |
| 21:35.00 | maquis | that doesn't explain why my neverblock account is suddenly claiming it's a read-only filesystem, though |
| 21:36.28 | maquis | the impressive thing is... it changed in the past 10 minutes |
| 21:46.26 | elg | jbot, hello |
| 21:49.03 | amcnabb | mheath, if it's "Made for Microsoft Windows XP" then it's most likely a GDI printer. |
| 21:49.10 | amcnabb | In which case there's nothing to brag about. |
| 21:49.37 | amcnabb | Printers that support postscript are usually labeled as such. |
| 21:51.58 | sjansen | Now if it says "Made for Amiga OS", that's something to brag about. |
| 21:52.08 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 21:52.23 | nick125_lappy | does amiga even have printing drivers? |
| 21:52.23 | sjansen | No, wait, scratch that. If it says "Made for Contiki", that's something to brag about. |
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| 21:53.17 | redbeard1 | amiga? |
| 21:53.23 | atoponce | mheath: did the disk work okay? |
| 21:53.29 | redbeard1 | i haven't heard of them for years |
| 21:53.54 | macnewbold | back in the day, they had some of the best audio/video editing tools... |
| 21:54.00 | macnewbold | I had a friend who had one and loved it |
| 21:54.28 | redbeard1 | yeah, i remember having an a2000 in high school. that thing rocked |
| 21:54.39 | mheath | atoponce: yep, it worked beautifully, thanks :) |
| 21:54.45 | atoponce | np |
| 21:54.46 | mheath | I'm going to stick one of the ubuntu stickers on the bottom of my laptop |
| 21:54.47 | redbeard1 | and it was even more fun when we picked up the video toaster |
| 21:54.57 | mheath | next to the Windows XP CD-Key sticker |
| 21:55.12 | atoponce | sweet. put it on the lid and advertise it |
| 21:58.41 | rsimpkins | Wow. Video toaster is still kickin - and looks fairly current. |
| 22:01.15 | levi_home | Doesn't have anything to do with Amiga anymore, though, does it? |
| 22:01.54 | mheath | I think my sister will really like Ubuntu more than Windows |
| 22:01.56 | mheath | :) |
| 22:02.21 | mheath | I think the Gnome interface is more intuitive for people who aren't stuck in the Windows rut. |
| 22:02.59 | redbeard1 | i always liked kde better than gnome, until i started using ubuntu. i don't think i'll ever go back now. |
| 22:03.13 | Tene | <3 e17 |
| 22:03.51 | mheath | redbeard1: Ubuntu integrates everything perfectly. |
| 22:04.09 | levi_home | Is e17 finished yet? |
| 22:04.13 | mheath | Everything in Ubuntu is made to integrate perfectly with Gnome. They add some extra utilities that make everyhting just...perfect. |
| 22:04.15 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: nope |
| 22:04.25 | mheath | levi_home: thats like asking if Duke Nukem Forever is finished yet. |
| 22:04.27 | nick125_lappy | I don't think they are going to have it before the turn of the centry |
| 22:04.34 | levi_home | Or perl 6. |
| 22:04.56 | mheath | I agree with Tene though |
| 22:05.00 | mheath | It is beautiful |
| 22:05.04 | nick125_lappy | seriously, how long have they been working on e17? |
| 22:05.04 | mheath | and groundbreaking as far as WM go |
| 22:05.15 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 22:05.16 | nick125_lappy | it is nie |
| 22:05.17 | Tene | nick125_lappy: a little over a year |
| 22:05.18 | nick125_lappy | *nice |
| 22:05.26 | Tene | I think |
| 22:05.37 | mheath | nick125: not that long, really. But its their development model that makes it obvious that it will be a long time before they get anything stable released. |
| 22:05.50 | mheath | Their development model is more "Oh, look, thats cool! We should do that!" than working towards any viable relaeses. |
| 22:05.55 | Tene | they were working on libraries and supporting infrastructure before that |
| 22:06.03 | mheath | They keep completely reworking things and adding tons of new features |
| 22:06.12 | Tene | not really... |
| 22:06.14 | mheath | Even the EFL has been massively reworked |
| 22:06.28 | Tene | raster explicitly puts off features until everything else is stable |
| 22:06.42 | mheath | For some definitions of the word 'stable'.... |
| 22:08.15 | levi_home | Enlightenment has always been pretty, but I never really liked it as a practical window manager. |
| 22:08.30 | Tene | howso, levi? |
| 22:08.38 | Tene | I never used it much before 17 |
| 22:09.10 | mheath | "It's called Free as in Richard Stallman. As long as he has no problem with what you're doing, you're free to do it, If he doesn't like it, he'll demonize it and try to 'protect' the world from it." |
| 22:09.12 | mheath | hahaha |
| 22:11.21 | levi_home | Tene: I haven't tried 17. But its UI model was just not what I wanted to use. |
| 22:11.49 | levi_home | And the graphical style was a bit too gaudy for my taste. |
| 22:12.09 | Tene | yeah, the original e16 theme was... eww. |
| 22:14.07 | levi_home | e17 looks like it's got a lot of interesting technology in it, but I believe it will always be pretty marginalized. |
| 22:26.57 | mheath | I feel so horrible :( |
| 22:27.02 | mheath | my sister spent ages working on her resume |
| 22:27.19 | mheath | I forgot she had it saved on my computer when I removed Windows and installed Ubuntu on here :( |
| 22:30.51 | tensai | that's funny. qwest installed a dsl line for a customer. said customer has looked for hours and can not find the qwest dmarc. this customer ain't no dummy either. |
| 22:33.35 | Tene | mheath: you didn't do a full backup before wiping? |
| 22:34.29 | mheath | Tene: I'd done a full install before a recent reinstall. I forgot there was anything new. |
| 22:34.46 | Tene | Oh, okay. |
| 22:35.30 | sjansen | tensai: Tell the customer to look under his bed. I lose stuff there all the time. |
| 22:35.56 | Tene | ~mheath sjansen |
| 22:36.54 | findlay | what's the easiest way to add pixels onto the side of and image? |
| 22:37.19 | Tene | convert, probably |
| 22:37.31 | findlay | ~convert Tene |
| 22:38.05 | levi_home | Grr. I told my Windows system to turn off, and it decided to install updates before doing so. |
| 22:38.16 | Tene | ~imagemagick++ |
| 22:38.16 | nick125_lappy | levi_home: haah, I love it when it does that |
| 22:38.53 | findlay | Tene: what's the keyword I'm looking for |
| 22:38.57 | findlay | it can't be resize |
| 22:39.40 | Tene | no idea |
| 22:39.55 | findlay | -extend |
| 22:40.04 | Tene | sweet |
| 22:40.08 | findlay | (: |
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| 22:48.19 | Tene | ~mheath elg |
| 22:49.05 | herlo | Tene: ibot should do something with that, not sure exactly the punishment, but it'd be funny |
| 22:49.23 | Tene | ~sjansen herlo |
| 22:49.24 | ibot | ACTION tells herlo good things about sjansen |
| 23:04.32 | herlo | ibot: its a lie, I know sjansen |
| 23:05.11 | Tene | ~herlo sjansen |
| 23:05.17 | graphyx | is itunes the only way to put mp3s on an ipod? |
| 23:05.31 | Tene | graphyx: amaroK can talk to an iPod |
| 23:05.47 | Tene | and gtkpod |
| 23:05.47 | Tene | and a few others |
| 23:06.17 | herlo | Tene: nice try |
| 23:07.19 | Tene | ~herlo herlo |
| 23:07.20 | ibot | ACTION pokes herlo with a sharp needle. |
| 23:08.06 | graphyx | ~herlo Tene |
| 23:08.08 | ibot | ACTION pokes Tene with a sharp needle. |
| 23:08.18 | Tene | ~graphyx ibot |
| 23:12.11 | herlo | Tene: nice |
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| 23:33.08 | findlay | ~findlay something |
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| 23:50.12 | TimRiker | tensai: not dpkg. that's another bot. apt/ibot/jbot/purl |
| 23:50.27 | tensai | my bad |
| 23:50.31 | TimRiker | np |