| 00:02.29 | Sargun | goozbach, cool |
| 00:02.43 | Sargun | hm, how bad of an idea is it to embezzle me grade. |
| 00:04.02 | Sargun | hehe |
| 00:04.20 | maquis | Sargun: probably a bad idea |
| 00:04.35 | Sargun | maquis, it was a joke |
| 00:04.55 | Sargun | they don't allow 9-10th graders in |
| 00:05.44 | maquis | Sargun: who doesn't allow 9-10th graders in where? |
| 00:06.23 | Sargun | there is a program which matches you up with an online program |
| 00:11.11 | maquis | ah |
| 00:15.01 | Sargun | As a high schooler your only allowed to take one class at a time |
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| 00:44.57 | maquis | oh goody |
| 00:45.04 | maquis | cups isn't giving any errors at all |
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| 00:51.44 | maquis | if it was actually printing, i'd consider that a good thing |
| 00:53.21 | findlay | maquis: cups logging can be pretty good I think |
| 00:53.53 | maquis | findlay: i've got it turned up to debug, and the error log isn't listing anything error-ish |
| 00:54.05 | findlay | maquis: turn it up full blast |
| 00:54.20 | maquis | findlay: to debug2? |
| 00:54.32 | findlay | whatever full blast is |
| 00:55.07 | findlay | then read through every statement from a single 'event' |
| 00:55.46 | maquis | hmmm |
| 00:56.02 | maquis | is it bad if i can't scroll up in my terminal to the start of the job in tail -f? |
| 00:56.04 | findlay | usually it takes the form of tail -F /var/log/cups/error_log && do something |
| 00:56.15 | maquis | findlay: i'm using tail -f |
| 00:56.17 | findlay | are you using screen |
| 00:56.36 | findlay | -F retries |
| 00:58.22 | findlay | oh, I forgot you're using freebsd. I'm sorry. I don't support freebsd. Call back when you have Windows(R) OS(R) XP(R) |
| 00:58.29 | findlay | installed |
| 01:00.20 | findlay | when there are so many high quality ones available at cost |
| 01:00.37 | maquis | findlay: because they don't know about the free Oss |
| 01:01.10 | maquis | findlay: so, the ast part says: D [08/Aug/2006:18:55:30 -0600] UpdateJob: job 4, file 0 is complete. |
| 01:01.13 | maquis | D [08/Aug/2006:18:55:30 -0600] CancelJob: id = 4 |
| 01:01.16 | maquis | D [08/Aug/2006:18:55:30 -0600] StopJob: id = 4, force = 0 |
| 01:01.18 | maquis | D [08/Aug/2006:18:55:30 -0600] StopJob: printer state is 3 |
| 01:01.21 | maquis | D [08/Aug/2006:18:56:33 -0600] CloseClient: 5 |
| 01:02.06 | maquis | the rest of it is just listing off preferences like the width, page size, number of copies, etc |
| 01:28.07 | findlay | this stupid sony cd drive. It spews IO errors, locks up at random times, doesn't burn CDs without erroring out, and now it pops when I play a CD |
| 01:28.29 | findlay | this is a note to everyone: don't buy the same kind of drive that I have |
| 01:29.14 | findlay | maquis: what about the other log |
| 01:29.50 | findlay | ? |
| 01:31.18 | maquis | findlay: sorry... i did discover one thing eventually |
| 01:31.28 | maquis | apparently it claims it sees EOF |
| 01:31.34 | maquis | D [08/Aug/2006:19:07:03 -0600] [Job 5] 0 %%EOF |
| 01:31.34 | maquis | D [08/Aug/2006:19:07:03 -0600] [Job 5] Saw EOF! |
| 01:31.43 | maquis | that's the only other thing i can find in the error_log |
| 01:31.47 | maquis | i'll look inthe other log |
| 01:32.11 | maquis | findlay: nothing in the other logs |
| 01:32.36 | Tene | Is that what the light at the end of the tunnel is? |
| 01:32.39 | Tene | an EOF? |
| 01:32.47 | findlay | LOF |
| 01:33.05 | Tene | LOF? |
| 01:33.19 | maquis | light of funnel |
| 01:36.45 | findlay | amcnabb: what window manager do you use? |
| 01:42.56 | elg | he doesn't need no stinkin' window manager |
| 01:45.24 | emcnabb | evilwm |
| 01:45.36 | maquis | emcnabb: i thought he switched off of that |
| 01:45.46 | maquis | to a python-based one or something |
| 01:45.57 | findlay | metacity? |
| 01:46.04 | maquis | findlay: no |
| 01:46.16 | findlay | (: |
| 01:46.27 | maquis | findlay: you're upside-down again |
| 01:46.40 | maquis | emcnabb: you any good with cups? |
| 01:47.11 | emcnabb | not really |
| 01:47.19 | maquis | :( |
| 01:47.27 | maquis | cups and i have never gotten along |
| 01:47.47 | findlay | it's because like ESR said RedHat doesn't have a very good GUI for cups |
| 01:48.31 | maquis | findlay: i'm trying to set it up on a debian-bassed system |
| 01:49.08 | findlay | debian runs on bass? |
| 01:49.11 | findlay | the fish? |
| 01:49.26 | maquis | no... the instrument |
| 01:49.30 | findlay | or it's a mechanical fish that runs debian |
| 01:50.02 | findlay | jaws was great ... but did he run Linux? |
| 01:50.47 | findlay | I'm guessing they didn't have civilized OS's back in 1979 like Linux or it wouldn't have been so violent |
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| 02:22.32 | spr | how do you see control characters in vim? |
| 02:25.27 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 02:26.10 | findlay | how did you get them hidden? |
| 02:27.25 | emcnabb | :%l |
| 02:27.26 | emcnabb | ? |
| 02:28.15 | emcnabb | is that what you're looking for? |
| 02:28.20 | spr | emcnabb, more like each line is printed with them in editing: something^M |
| 02:28.30 | spr | :%l puts me in a pager |
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| 02:29.17 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 02:29.19 | emcnabb | hum |
| 02:29.55 | maquis | spr: you want those? i usually try to get rid of them |
| 02:30.03 | spr | yeah I want them |
| 02:32.25 | mheath | mmm, this was yummy and easy |
| 02:32.35 | mheath | I had some cheeses left over from my lasagna |
| 02:32.59 | mheath | so I opened up a can of spaghetti-o's and put them on it |
| 02:33.01 | mheath | very, very yummy |
| 02:34.26 | graphyx | ok what is the best way to accept command line input for perl? |
| 02:35.15 | spr | weird and cool muttrc command: |
| 02:35.29 | Tene | graphyx: for what purpose? |
| 02:35.34 | Tene | I suggest Prompt |
| 02:35.40 | Tene | IO::Prompt, I think. |
| 02:35.48 | graphyx | Well here is what I have. |
| 02:35.59 | spr | mailboxes `find ~/Maildir -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d ! -name spam |sed 's#.*/Maildir/$+#g' |xargs echo` |
| 02:36.09 | Tene | http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/IO-Prompt-v0.99.4/lib/IO/Prompt.pm |
| 02:36.14 | graphyx | I have written a tool to exploit a sql injection vulnerability on a server to allow command line execution. |
| 02:36.19 | spr | s/$/#/ |
| 02:36.31 | graphyx | And I wanted a simple interface to issue what command I was going to give it instead of vi the script each time. |
| 02:36.37 | Tene | s/\//\\/ |
| 02:37.15 | Tene | Yeah, IO::Prompt is awesome. |
| 02:37.21 | emcnabb | http://www.vi-improved.org/wiki/index.php/FileFormat <-- interesting |
| 02:38.13 | emcnabb | night all |
| 02:38.13 | findlay | vim -b |
| 02:38.15 | findlay | ? |
| 02:38.41 | spr | vim is to smart for vim -b to work on a text file |
| 02:39.27 | findlay | vim -b ft=none ? |
| 02:39.34 | beandog | http://mozy.com/blog/ |
| 02:39.34 | beandog | heh |
| 02:39.35 | brac | [Mozy Blog] |
| 02:40.17 | spr | nope |
| 02:44.40 | findlay | vim -b -c 'set ft=nosyntax' |
| 02:45.01 | spr | nope |
| 02:45.13 | findlay | try #vim? |
| 02:45.29 | spr | but that's just too easy |
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| 02:47.10 | maquis | lol |
| 02:47.57 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 02:48.10 | maquis | -lart elg |
| 02:54.52 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 02:55.04 | nick125_lappy | are AOL subscribers dumb or something? |
| 02:55.18 | nick125_lappy | here's one the of search queries in the AOL search records thing: |
| 02:55.22 | nick125_lappy | my access point is compatable with b & g. i'm starting to wonder about my network password. why would it work on the desktop but not the laptop after attempting to use the network password i get the following error... |
| 02:56.27 | findlay | whatever happened to that leaked MS source code? Did it dry up or something? |
| 03:04.31 | tensai | ~lart findlay |
| 03:13.07 | findlay | ibot: why are you bots preoccupied with AOL? |
| 03:13.09 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 03:13.19 | findlay | sure, try to deny it |
| 03:19.57 | elg | -roulette |
| 03:19.58 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 03:20.58 | Tene | -roulette |
| 03:20.58 | brac | Tene: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 03:21.00 | Tene | -roulette |
| 03:21.01 | brac | Tene: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 03:21.45 | Tene | http://xkcd.com/comics/pointers.png |
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| 03:28.57 | tensai | speaking of aol, how about that data leak? |
| 03:34.48 | macnewbold | you mean the constant leaking at the mouth that some AOLers seem to have contracted? or is this a different one? |
| 03:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A new one |
| 03:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | AOL "Research" released 500,000 user's searches for the past 3 months |
| 03:36.43 | ScytheBlade1 | s/username/number/ |
| 03:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Compressed it and stuck it on their website saying "enjoy" |
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| 03:39.52 | levi_home | That was quite a leak. |
| 03:40.24 | levi_home | Revealing to the world that people search for porn and illegal stuff. I, for one, am shocked. |
| 03:41.29 | Tene | I once searched for something |
| 03:41.39 | Tene | I got some results. One of them was what I wanted. |
| 03:41.42 | Tene | It was pretty cool. |
| 03:41.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 03:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's like |
| 03:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | High tech |
| 03:41.54 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 03:41.58 | Tene | I was impressed. |
| 03:42.16 | Tene | I'm a pretty high-tech guy, if you hadn't noticed. |
| 03:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno |
| 03:42.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Search engines and all that |
| 03:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure it's not mystic voodoo? |
| 03:42.45 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 03:42.53 | Tene | I even use this IRC thing for chat. |
| 03:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | OSNAP |
| 03:43.09 | ScytheBlade1 | PARADOX |
| 03:43.11 | levi_home | Those search engine things are just a fad. It's all about the Open Directory Project. :P |
| 03:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh okay |
| 03:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes me feel better about it |
| 03:45.17 | levi_home | elg: Some sort of recording device? |
| 03:45.24 | elg | a midi transport |
| 03:45.34 | elg | well, actualyl a DAW (digital audio workstation) transport |
| 03:45.43 | elg | you use it as a sort of remote control |
| 03:45.45 | elg | when you're recording |
| 03:46.17 | elg | so you don't have to have the computer keyboard handy and esp. so you don't have to use the mouse |
| 03:47.47 | levi_home | elg: I have a couple of friends that work at Harmon Music Group. One is a VP there, the other works in their research arm on some cool audio networking stuff. |
| 03:47.50 | elg | this one also happens to be wireless |
| 03:48.06 | elg | sounds fun |
| 03:48.20 | levi_home | Yeah. I may try to get a job there at some point. |
| 03:57.25 | levi_home | The gist of it is "This project failed because of really bad assumptions about how inertial navigation systems work. Here is how they really work, and what would have been required for success." |
| 04:00.07 | herlo | jdjd |
| 04:00.10 | herlo | waabaa waaabaa |
| 04:00.10 | herlo | it totally bites |
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| 04:00.21 | elg | ~bite herlo |
| 04:00.23 | ibot | ACTION takes a big bite out of herlo's jugular vein |
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| 04:37.23 | levi_home | Grr, I didn't comment the integration method I was using in this source file. |
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| 04:48.53 | levi_home | Ahh! It was the Adams Predictor method. |
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| 05:10.08 | mheath | maquis, what's your problem? |
| 05:10.42 | maquis | mheath: i can't get my printer to do anything, but i can't seem to get much in the way of errors from the printer |
| 05:11.00 | mheath | What kind of printer, and how is it hooked up? |
| 05:11.26 | maquis | hp printer, it's hooked up exactly how it was when it worked back in debian |
| 05:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, what connection? |
| 05:11.47 | maquis | i think i may have to search around and see if i may have stored the cups config someplace |
| 05:11.50 | mheath | no, I mean, connection. Is it through the network, parallel, USB |
| 05:11.51 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: usb |
| 05:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, tried the web interface? |
| 05:12.15 | mheath | maquis, did you configure using the CUPs web interface or a GUI utility in GNOME or KDE? |
| 05:12.30 | maquis | web interface |
| 05:12.36 | maquis | i don't have gnome / kde |
| 05:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, `lsusb` |
| 05:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, printer showing up? |
| 05:13.15 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: yeah... |
| 05:13.19 | maquis | when i'm in the web interface, it sees it |
| 05:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, dmesg | grep usblp |
| 05:13.31 | maquis | it claims that the printer is getting the pages and that it's printing out just fine |
| 05:13.36 | maquis | but the printer's not doing anything |
| 05:13.49 | mheath | maquis, tried looking at the linux printing website? |
| 05:13.58 | maquis | mheath: i haven't played around there too much |
| 05:14.14 | maquis | the thing is, i've set this printer up in debian, fedora and gentoo in the past |
| 05:14.28 | maquis | i'm just missing something |
| 05:14.33 | mheath | Sounds like a problem with ghostscript or something |
| 05:14.35 | maquis | cups and i have never gotten along |
| 05:14.39 | maquis | mheath: i dunno |
| 05:14.43 | maquis | i'm going to have to play with it |
| 05:14.49 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, join the club. The device node exist and everything? |
| 05:14.56 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: yup |
| 05:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, one sec... what distro are you on? |
| 05:15.44 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: this is on knoppmyth |
| 05:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, I can heartily recommend grabbing the "hpijs" driver for pretty much any HP printing you need to do |
| 05:15.53 | mheath | maquis, try turning on the verbosity of ghostscript a bit, and seeing what its spitting out. |
| 05:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, ahhh. Well, good luck to you then :) |
| 05:17.31 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: i've got hpijs and foomatic-hpijs and everything |
| 05:17.39 | maquis | mheath: i'll look at that... |
| 05:17.41 | maquis | thanks |
| 05:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, try the generic PCL/PCL6 driver. I've found it works wonders. |
| 05:18.37 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: ok... i can try that |
| 05:18.49 | maquis | but hpijs *should* work... :( |
| 05:18.57 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, pretty much ANY HP printer speaks PCL/PCL6 |
| 05:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, yeah, I mean using the hpijs PCL driver |
| 05:20.05 | maquis | ah |
| 05:20.41 | mheath | heh, thats kinda overkill. |
| 05:20.45 | mheath | In some instances |
| 05:20.49 | mheath | my HP printer speaks PCL |
| 05:21.05 | mheath | But it also speaks plain postscript. I'd much rather just spit pure postscript to it. |
| 05:22.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much any HP should speak both postscript and PCL |
| 05:22.29 | mheath | No. |
| 05:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | via USB or TCP/IP (I've never tried with parallel under linux) |
| 05:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 05:22.41 | mheath | My new photosmart doesn't speak postscript. |
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| 05:24.00 | levi_home | maquis: Problems like that are why I never, ever reinstall my OS if I can help it. ;) |
| 05:24.15 | maquis | levi_home: yeah |
| 05:24.24 | maquis | but i want to turn that box into a mythbox |
| 05:26.29 | maquis | hehe... this guy filled the words file and life |
| 05:26.46 | maquis | so, the installer created life in /usr/local/bin :) |
| 05:26.48 | maquis | that just rocks |
| 05:26.50 | maquis | :) |
| 05:26.58 | maquis | i wish i had installers that could create life :) |
| 05:28.08 | mheath | Hmm. I wonder if anyone makes VCR drives specifically for computers. |
| 05:28.24 | fozzmoo | Used to. |
| 05:28.31 | fozzmoo | Like the Alesis ADAT |
| 05:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 05:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a spider RIGHT THERE that's nearly 2x the size of a quarter |
| 05:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | HAHA, that sucker FLEW |
| 05:31.55 | fozzmoo | Use the canned air on it or what? |
| 05:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shoe. |
| 05:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shoe + carpet + effort |
| 05:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | = flying spider |
| 05:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | = flying *dead* spider |
| 05:32.17 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 05:35.05 | rsimpkins | What kind of spider was it? |
| 05:35.15 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: did you get a picture first? |
| 05:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | No clue |
| 05:35.42 | rsimpkins | These are the ones in Utah that you have to fear: http://www.nps.gov/public_health/inter/graphics/hobo_female.jpg |
| 05:35.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's still sitting here though |
| 05:35.53 | maquis | hobos have funnel-shaped webs |
| 05:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhhh |
| 05:36.00 | maquis | that's the only thing i know about them :) |
| 05:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm screwed |
| 05:36.05 | rsimpkins | This is better pic: http://www.onewest.net/~dkv/hobospider/ |
| 05:36.06 | brac | [HOBO SPIDER WEB SITE] |
| 05:36.09 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: ?? |
| 05:36.20 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: hobos aren't going to kill you |
| 05:36.32 | maquis | if they bite, they just make a really ugly-looking sore |
| 05:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been killing them since I was four... |
| 05:36.47 | rsimpkins | If you live in SLC/Provo/Orem/Logan/Ogden or any similar area - I STRONGLY suggest you learn about the hobo. |
| 05:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What's to learn about them? |
| 05:37.12 | rsimpkins | maquis: Actually - they can put you in the hospital more than any other spider in Utah. |
| 05:37.14 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: how to identify them |
| 05:37.22 | maquis | rsimpkins: perhaps more than any other spider in utah |
| 05:37.39 | maquis | but they're a whole lot less frightening than a lot of other spiders i've learned about |
| 05:37.42 | maquis | :) |
| 05:37.48 | fozzmoo | Yeah- hobos are dangerous. |
| 05:37.53 | fozzmoo | They like basements. |
| 05:37.54 | rsimpkins | maquis: I know several people personally who have spent weeks in their beds due to hobo spider bites. |
| 05:37.57 | maquis | one of my second cousins used to have a pet black widow |
| 05:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Great way to scare me half to death |
| 05:38.05 | maquis | rsimpkins: really? |
| 05:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've killed two within the past two days :P |
| 05:38.25 | rsimpkins | maquis: I wouldn't lie about it. I treat those things with a HIGH degree of respect. |
| 05:38.26 | fozzmoo | The good news is that the adult hobos are actually a lot less poisonous than the juveniles. |
| 05:38.47 | fozzmoo | So, if this spider that was 2x a quarter in size... probably not so bad. :) |
| 05:38.53 | rsimpkins | Logan, Utah has one of the highest concentrations of hobo spiders in north america. |
| 05:38.58 | fozzmoo | Yep. |
| 05:39.05 | maquis | interesting.... when we learned about spiders in my 7th grade class we were shown a picture of a really nasty sore (with the skin being eaten away) from a hobo bite... |
| 05:39.10 | fozzmoo | We had a lot of them in Sandy when we were living in my bro-in-law's basement. |
| 05:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | So uh |
| 05:39.27 | fozzmoo | Those sticky paper spider traps worked real well. |
| 05:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm rather sure I have two dead ones here... |
| 05:39.47 | fozzmoo | ScytheBlade1: Yeah- get some spider traps from Home Depot or something. |
| 05:39.48 | rsimpkins | maquis: That sore can easily become infected - VERY easily. It's usually not the bite that puts people in their beds, it's the infection that very frequently follows the bite. |
| 05:39.52 | maquis | i read about some guy in australia who stepped on a spider, and would've been dead in a couple hours if the emergency room doc hadn't given him an experimental medicine that had never been tested on humans before |
| 05:39.58 | maquis | rsimpkins: yeah... i can imagine that |
| 05:40.07 | maquis | but at least you're not going to die in the first day |
| 05:40.08 | fozzmoo | Put them in corners on the floor, behind stuff, etc. |
| 05:40.14 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I used the sticky spider traps in Hyrum. I caught 22 on one trap during the fall. |
| 05:40.16 | maquis | (or hour) |
| 05:40.35 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Yeah. Crazy. We had them in Hyrum too. |
| 05:40.47 | rsimpkins | Acctually - newer pesticides are working really well on the hobo. |
| 05:40.47 | fozzmoo | A friend of mine lives in Logan near the temple. He catches a lot of them in his basement too. |
| 05:41.23 | rsimpkins | I've spent a lot of time learning about them after a close friend of the family ended up in her bed for three months from a hobo spider bite. |
| 05:41.38 | maquis | are hobos the only ones to watch out for around here? |
| 05:41.47 | fozzmoo | They're the most potent. |
| 05:41.52 | rsimpkins | maquis: No. Still have the other common ones like black widows - etc. |
| 05:41.59 | fozzmoo | Black widows are dangerous too... but only at certain times of the year. |
| 05:42.00 | maquis | mmk |
| 05:42.21 | maquis | because the big ones we were told to watch out for when i was learning about them were brown recluses and black widows |
| 05:42.32 | maquis | but that was in washington... |
| 05:42.44 | fozzmoo | We also have wolf spiders here. |
| 05:42.49 | rsimpkins | Also, the phidippus audax can give you a good bite, but it's just really painful - not usually highly dangerous. |
| 05:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | So uh |
| 05:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Instead of scaring me half to death |
| 05:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Tell me what I should know :P |
| 05:43.13 | rsimpkins | There are also common types of wolf spiders in Utah that can give you pretty good bites. |
| 05:43.40 | rsimpkins | According to the experts you will not see a brown recluse in Utah. |
| 05:43.50 | rsimpkins | Or - it would be VERY rare to see one. |
| 05:44.22 | rsimpkins | Besides - the hobo is supposedly much more dangerous than the brown recluse.. iirc. |
| 05:44.39 | fozzmoo | There are tarantulas in Utah too, but they're not a poisonous kind. |
| 05:44.44 | rsimpkins | They are both in the recluse family however, which I think confuses a lot of people. |
| 05:45.08 | mheath | time for sleep...hmm. |
| 05:45.18 | rsimpkins | mheath: check your sheets. ;) |
| 05:45.38 | mheath | Don't have any. |
| 05:45.42 | mheath | hmm.. |
| 05:46.05 | fozzmoo | no sheets? |
| 05:46.09 | fozzmoo | or no spiders? |
| 05:46.14 | mheath | No sheets. |
| 05:46.21 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. You're one of "those" people. |
| 05:46.24 | rsimpkins | The three most common spiders I have run in to in my house are the phidippus audax, the common garden wolf, and the hobo. |
| 05:46.25 | mheath | I sleep on a futon. |
| 05:46.57 | mheath | A real futon, not a european not-a-futon-but-called-one |
| 05:47.21 | fozzmoo | Oh, well, that's okay, then. |
| 05:47.22 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 05:48.13 | mheath | fozzmoo, you sleep on a giant piece of furniture that cost you hundreds of dollars. |
| 05:48.27 | mheath | I sleep on a small comfortable pad that I fold up during the day to maximize space. |
| 05:48.55 | rsimpkins | here is a good PDF on common utah spiders: http://www.nebo.edu/misc/learning_resources/ppt/general/spiders.ppt |
| 05:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | PDF? |
| 05:49.06 | rsimpkins | Oh, I mean ppt |
| 05:49.07 | rsimpkins | :) |
| 05:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You mean powerpoint? |
| 05:50.49 | rsimpkins | But this list doesn't contain the phidippus audax - which is VERY common in the Loga/Hyrum area (probably due to the high earwig population up there): http://www.fcps.edu/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/daring_jumping_spider.htm |
| 05:50.50 | brac | [daring jumping spider] |
| 05:51.35 | fozzmoo | "How to dare a jumping spider." |
| 05:52.20 | rsimpkins | I've read a few stories about reserchers who have gotten a good bite from the daring jumping spider. Apparently it hurts quite a lot. So - I've never wanted to find out just how bad. :) |
| 05:54.03 | mheath | Heh. I'm reminded of a guy that they did a Discovery channel segment on.. |
| 05:54.19 | mheath | He collected snake venom for medical reasons |
| 05:54.32 | rsimpkins | Yeah - not a job I want - thanks. :) |
| 05:54.34 | mheath | But he'd inject himself with tiny amounts of the venoms, to build up resistances |
| 05:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, I've waken up with those in my bed. |
| 05:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Those female hobo spiders. |
| 05:57.18 | mheath | I discovered a spider in our bathroom once, on the edge of the bathtub |
| 05:57.32 | mheath | splashed water on it, drowned it |
| 05:57.38 | mheath | another one then jumped on me |
| 05:57.40 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: Yeah. That would more than freak me out. |
| 05:57.57 | mheath | not sure if it saw and wanted revenge (are they that intelligent?) or if it was coincidental |
| 05:58.11 | fozzmoo | It's worth pondering. |
| 05:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, I have two, dead, sitting relatively close to me. |
| 05:58.25 | rsimpkins | I find that I am generally not afraid of most spiders after learning a lot about them. But the hobo scares me to DEATH because I know what they can do. Sometime ignorance is bliss. |
| 05:58.39 | fozzmoo | ScytheBlade1: They're not quite so dangerous when they're dead, btw. |
| 05:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | fozzmoo, "close to me" |
| 05:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Two |
| 05:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | In two days |
| 05:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, ignorance is bliss, but I can't use ignorance as a reason anymore :P |
| 06:00.04 | rsimpkins | I'm seeing a new type of spider here in Orem that looks A LOT like the hobo - but it has rings on it's legs which is supposed to mean it is acutally not a hobo - but a copy cat. |
| 06:00.17 | fozzmoo | Oh. A copy cat spider. :) |
| 06:00.25 | rsimpkins | I've not wanted to let it bite me to find out if I am right. |
| 06:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, don't take this the wrong way, but I hate you now. |
| 06:04.04 | rsimpkins | I gave the link already, but for what it is worth. This site has, in my opinion, the most factually accurate information about the hobo (based on hours of my own research): http://www.srv.net/~dkv/hobospider/ |
| 06:04.06 | brac | [HOBO SPIDER WEB SITE] |
| 06:04.22 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: My wife feels the same way. :) |
| 06:08.32 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: I often will catch the spiders in our house to identify and study them. And use them for teaching moments. She totally hates coming downstairs in the morning to see my collection of spiders on the kitchen table. :) |
| 06:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Want to come on over to pick a few up? :P |
| 06:09.13 | rsimpkins | If they are hobos - no. I hate trying to kill them. Some of them are really resilliant (sp?). |
| 06:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 06:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | These would be hobos then |
| 06:09.33 | rsimpkins | The shoe|spider|floor method is best. :) |
| 06:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Fast little buggers |
| 06:09.40 | rsimpkins | Yes they are fast. |
| 06:09.59 | rsimpkins | If you have found them in your bed - I highly recommend you call a real exterminator that knows what they are. |
| 06:10.18 | rsimpkins | A good way to weed out the stupid exterminators is to ask them if brown recluses are common in our area. ;) |
| 06:11.13 | rsimpkins | If they lay down the weak stuff they end up killing all the good spiders, and you can actually see an increase in hobo spider population. |
| 06:11.49 | fozzmoo | There are... good... spiders... really? |
| 06:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, there are |
| 06:12.06 | fozzmoo | I always thought, if they're in the house, they're instantly evil. |
| 06:12.25 | rsimpkins | "The single most effective deterrent against the hobo spider is the presence of competing spider species" |
| 06:13.02 | rsimpkins | A good tip - keep your house lights off at night if you leave them on. They attract bugs - guess what the bugs attract. :0 |
| 06:13.31 | rsimpkins | Motion sensor lights are actually better for security any way. |
| 06:13.42 | fozzmoo | Okay. So, sit in the house at night, in the dark, with lots of other spiders. Gotcha. |
| 06:14.39 | rsimpkins | I sort of experiemented in Hyrum with different methods. By far the most dramatic method was the spraying of a strong pesticide by a guy who actually had some experience dealing with hobos. |
| 06:15.38 | rsimpkins | I have also heard of new pesticides that are micro-fine. The chemical can actually stick to the hobo's skin like a static cling of death. |
| 06:16.24 | rsimpkins | Sort of a super find powder thing. However, those products might not good if you have young kids or pets. |
| 06:16.30 | rsimpkins | s/find/fine/ |
| 06:22.32 | levi_home | asdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd |
| 06:23.14 | rsimpkins | levi_home: keyboard stuck? |
| 06:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, like, I have a LOT of those in my house... |
| 06:27.36 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: Call someone. Seriously. You don't want to find out what a serious bite from one of those things can do. Having a hole in your leg for a few months isn't as fun as it sounds. |
| 06:28.27 | rsimpkins | Use the word 'infestation' - that triggers their brains and they will use more powerful stuff. :) |
| 06:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, we always have, that's the thing |
| 06:29.35 | rsimpkins | The close friend of our family that got bit had known about them for years, but didn't really understand how dangerous they could be. One day she was working out in the garden and she sat down and rested her leg on one. |
| 06:30.11 | rsimpkins | The wound became ulcerated and she spent 12 days in the hospital, and about 3 months in bed. |
| 06:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Ouch. |
| 06:31.03 | rsimpkins | It was a bite of the more serious variety to be sure - but why take chances when $80 to an exterminator can fix it? |
| 06:32.42 | rsimpkins | Common bite locations I have heard of including gardens (for some reason working a garden can be dangerous), shoes and clothes that were on the floor, and beds. |
| 06:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder if I can find a camera around here |
| 06:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 06:38.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah. All of the batteries are dead. |
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| 06:41.00 | rsimpkins | Well. time for bed. night. :) |
| 06:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Die in a fire |
| 06:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing personal or anything |
| 06:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But die in a fire :) |
| 06:41.34 | rsimpkins | I'd prefer that to a hobo spider bite! *stab* |
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| 08:49.12 | findlay | all your spiders are belong to us |
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| 12:36.03 | goozbach | I wouldn't have slept last night |
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| 13:07.55 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 13:08.07 | goozbach | tis early and I am tired |
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| 13:25.16 | graphyx | Well I found my issue with my perl program. |
| 13:25.25 | graphyx | It is consuming all of the memory and once it does it crashes. |
| 13:25.35 | graphyx | I don't know what part of it is causing the memory leak. |
| 13:25.49 | graphyx | I thought Perl handled garbage collection just fine. |
| 13:45.31 | elg | maybe you're not letting it collect the garbage |
| 13:48.09 | goozbach | garbage++ |
| 13:50.07 | goozbach | redbeard1: http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,71561-0.html?tw=rss.index |
| 13:50.08 | brac | [Wired News: Fine Fast Food Is Just 'Gourmeh'] |
| 13:55.12 | graphyx | elg: explain a little more about that would you? |
| 13:56.23 | elg | GC languages collect garbage when there's no more references to the garbage |
| 13:56.38 | elg | if you're keeping a reference to garbage inadvertently, it wouldn't be collected |
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| 13:56.54 | graphyx | It is a very simple script. |
| 13:57.07 | graphyx | If I consistently resue the variables, why would it build us its memory usage? |
| 13:57.23 | graphyx | The program ran for like 3 hours until it consumed 97% of my systems 1 gig of memory. |
| 13:57.31 | graphyx | The out putwas a 56K file. |
| 13:57.33 | elg | can you post it? |
| 13:57.35 | graphyx | printed one line at a time. |
| 13:57.46 | graphyx | I can post it, I will have to reove some liines. |
| 13:57.55 | graphyx | for confidentiality. |
| 14:01.10 | elg | what if those lines are the problem? |
| 14:01.36 | graphyx | I have removed server names. |
| 14:01.42 | graphyx | And html pages. |
| 14:01.46 | graphyx | that isn't the problem. |
| 14:01.52 | graphyx | and sqltable names. |
| 14:02.46 | graphyx | pastebin is taking forever. Is there another one out there to use? |
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| 14:03.48 | goozbach | ~paste |
| 14:03.50 | ibot | from memory, paste is see http://paste.husk.org |
| 14:03.52 | brac | [pasting to global] |
| 14:04.28 | graphyx | http://paste.husk.org/6456 |
| 14:04.29 | brac | [global paste from "graphyx" at 198.160.96.7...] |
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| 14:21.03 | graphyx | elg: What do you think? |
| 14:21.06 | graphyx | of the script? |
| 14:24.10 | elg | nothing jumps out at me, sorry. but I'm not a perl guru |
| 14:26.45 | graphyx | Ok. Thanks |
| 14:34.35 | elg | nifty. lots of little dead ants in the freezer and fridge |
| 14:41.21 | herlo | anyone know of a VMS based shell for linux? |
| 14:41.53 | elg | is that RMS' cousin? |
| 14:42.44 | herlo | elg: not sure? |
| 14:44.27 | herlo | elg: what is RMS? |
| 14:44.33 | elg | who |
| 14:44.57 | elg | http://www.stallman.org/ |
| 14:45.00 | brac | [Richard Stallman's Personal Page] |
| 14:45.18 | elg | or better, http://www.stallman.org/rms-bw.jpeg |
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| 14:47.53 | herlo | elg: no VMS is Virtual Memory System IIRC |
| 14:51.02 | graphyx | a distant cousin to RMS perhaps. |
| 14:51.30 | herlo | graphyx: nah... |
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| 14:51.54 | herlo | I am teaching a bunch of people from the VA this week, they are transitioning to linux from VMS |
| 14:52.08 | herlo | one of the guys is looking for a shell that will emulate a VMS type shell |
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| 14:55.28 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 14:55.48 | goozbach | sjansen: you're too late! |
| 14:56.05 | goozbach | I already rlarted the channel |
| 14:56.07 | sjansen | ~fart goozbach |
| 14:56.09 | ibot | ACTION farts in goozbach's general direction |
| 14:56.18 | goozbach | ~pummel sjansen |
| 14:56.27 | herlo | ~blast sjansen |
| 14:56.28 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses sjansen for target practice |
| 14:56.57 | sjansen | o/~ Can you feel the love tonight... ~/o |
| 14:59.43 | goozbach | so Catalyst is kinda cool |
| 15:00.12 | goozbach | it's got most the things I like about OpenACS but with Perl |
| 15:00.23 | Jayce^ | like what? |
| 15:04.26 | goozbach | it's fully MVC |
| 15:04.36 | goozbach | Big plus |
| 15:04.57 | Jayce^ | yes, it is that |
| 15:05.24 | sjansen | goozbach: Don't waste your time. Perl is dying. I read it on Slashdot. |
| 15:05.40 | goozbach | but did netcraft confirm it? |
| 15:07.52 | goozbach | I've just been getting to know it |
| 15:13.17 | elg | herlo: that all depends on what a vms shell is like |
| 15:13.41 | elg | the short answer is, probably if it's cool |
| 15:13.49 | elg | if it's not cool, nobody will have bothered |
| 15:13.52 | graphyx | Just write a bunch of perl scripts that are a translation of the VMS commands to linux commands. |
| 15:13.56 | elg | and he should just get over it |
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| 15:23.14 | levi | elg: As far as I've known, unix geeks have been pretty dismissive of vms, so I kind of doubt it. |
| 15:23.52 | levi | One interesting feature is that vms has a versioned filesystem, so it automatically keeps track of changes you've made to your files. |
| 15:24.09 | elg | like apple's time machine. ;-) |
| 15:24.13 | sjansen | VMS supposedly also had much better online help. |
| 15:24.25 | levi | Yes, it did have a pretty comprehensive help system. |
| 15:24.52 | levi | (All my VMS knowledge comes from reading some stuff ~10 years ago and briefly using the YVAX machines at BYU) |
| 15:25.02 | redbeard1 | goozbach: thanks for the link, i enjoyed it |
| 15:27.10 | herlo | elg: I am not familiar with the original VMS shell |
| 15:27.25 | redbeard1 | sjansen: yes, there will be cheesecake tonight. |
| 15:27.32 | herlo | elg: I suppose we could configure most shells to work like VMS, but why if one is out there... |
| 15:27.53 | herlo | redbeard1: will you save me a piece? I won't be back in time to go |
| 15:27.59 | herlo | but I will be back on Saturday |
| 15:28.26 | levi | If anyone wants to play with VMS, apparently you can log into a guest account here: http://deathrow.vistech.net/account-info.shtml |
| 15:28.39 | sjansen | And according to at least one biased source, VMS had more logical command names. |
| 15:28.41 | redbeard1 | herlo: sorry man, they're gonna be in phyllo cups, and those get soggy after a few hours. |
| 15:28.52 | redbeard1 | herlo: but i will post the recipe on my site |
| 15:29.07 | herlo | redbeard1: that bites, oh well, I guess I'll have to hit you up again |
| 15:29.52 | sjansen | You know, I was thinking about skipping Plug. Now I have to go. |
| 15:30.07 | elg | it's all about the pentiums |
| 15:30.38 | sjansen | baby |
| 15:31.15 | levi | I don't think it would be possible to make a unix shell act like a VMS one in any significant way. |
| 15:31.17 | redbeard1 | herlo: if i could save you some, i would. in fact, if i could steal sjansen's and save it for you instead, i would |
| 15:31.33 | herlo | redbeard1: thanx, i appreciate that |
| 15:31.41 | sjansen | o/~ Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers? ~/o |
| 15:31.46 | levi | Apparently the DCL command line interpreter took care of parsing args and such, and made them available to applications. |
| 15:32.13 | herlo | redbeard1: besidses, sjansen really doesn't deserve it. He hasn't tought me anything, no matter what he claims! |
| 15:33.04 | elg | herlo: tell him to suck it up and join the future |
| 15:33.17 | levi | This might be useful for someone transitioning from VMS to Unix: http://www.unh.edu/cis/docs/vms-to-unix/Articles/ |
| 15:33.18 | brac | [VMS-to-Unix Phrase Book] |
| 15:33.19 | sjansen | While your computer's crashin', mine's multitaskin' |
| 15:33.19 | sjansen | It does all my work without me even askin' |
| 15:33.19 | sjansen | Got a flat-screen monitor forty inches wide wide |
| 15:33.19 | sjansen | I believe that your says "Etch-A-Sketch" on the side |
| 15:33.20 | sjansen | In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user |
| 15:33.20 | sjansen | You've got your own newsgroup, "alt.total-loser" |
| 15:33.22 | sjansen | Your motherboard melts when you try to send a fax |
| 15:33.24 | sjansen | Where'd you get your CPU, in a box of Cracker Jacks? |
| 15:36.49 | redbeard1 | sjansen: don't quit yer day job |
| 15:38.50 | levi | redbeard1: Are you kidding? His day job is what lets him get away with that stuff! ;) |
| 15:39.32 | redbeard1 | sjansen: in that case, please quit your day job |
| 15:40.36 | redbeard1 | no offense |
| 15:42.16 | sjansen | redbeard1: Your only hope for forgiveness is giving me twice as much cheesecake as everyone else. |
| 15:43.17 | redbeard1 | sjansen: so what you're saying is, if i deny you cheesecake, i can enjoy watching you suffer, AND hate me for it? |
| 15:43.23 | sjansen | Oh, no, if redbeard1 hopes to be forgiven he'll have to wait until I get there before *anybody* get *any*. |
| 15:43.46 | sjansen | redbeard1: Well, when you put it that way... |
| 15:43.48 | Jayce^ | I think you fail to understand redbeard1's mentality here |
| 15:44.15 | sjansen | Yeah, well, uhhmmmm... I'm awesome! |
| 15:44.15 | redbeard1 | i'm looking forward to a thoroughly entertaining night here |
| 15:44.54 | redbeard1 | sjansen: are you planning on being at perl mongers? maybe i'll start handing it out then, just in case |
| 15:45.21 | sjansen | Dunno, making Perl mongers involves some pretty nasty traffic. |
| 15:46.00 | redbeard1 | ooh, how delightful |
| 15:46.02 | redbeard1 | er. i mean. |
| 15:47.03 | sjansen | I will haunt you forever. When you shower in the morning, my image will appear in the steam on the mirror. As you go to sleep at night, my voice will keep you awake. |
| 15:47.49 | mheath | wow. |
| 15:48.03 | mheath | though the idea somehow scares me now... |
| 15:48.10 | sjansen | You will be at work and the hairs on the back of you kneck will go up. You'll think it's me standing over your shoulder, but when you check it will only be a co-worker, or a draft, or a leaking pipe soaking your shirt. |
| 15:48.43 | mheath | hopefully you don't have too many leaking pipes in your office job |
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| 15:48.52 | mheath | brb |
| 15:49.09 | sjansen | You will be at home and notice that your children bear an uncanny resemblence to me. You neighbors, for no apparent reason, will come by to talk about me. |
| 15:49.37 | sjansen | You will see me in the television shows you watch. You will be reminded of me by the books you read. |
| 15:49.51 | sjansen | Everywhere you go, everything you do, I will haunt you. |
| 15:49.52 | redbeard1 | sjansen: you do realize of course, that if my children do bear any resemblance to you, i'll have to hunt you down and beat you severely, right? |
| 15:50.51 | redbeard1 | i think i may have just proven that cheesecake is the ultimate dessert. when was the last time you saw this kind of obsession provoked over an oreo? |
| 15:51.01 | sjansen | You will be too late. I will have died of severe cheesecake deficiency. |
| 15:53.57 | goozbach | behold the power of cheese....cake |
| 15:54.46 | Jayce^ | mheath, instead of sjansen, you'll get harleypig in your shower :) |
| 15:54.54 | redbeard1 | gah! |
| 15:55.02 | redbeard1 | i did NOT need that mental image! |
| 15:55.25 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, if they looked like sjansen you'd just wind up beating them a lot |
| 15:55.38 | redbeard1 | goozbach: sounds like it's time for some public service announcements. |
| 15:57.12 | redbeard1 | "Have you been hurt... by cheesecake?" |
| 15:58.16 | goozbach | "do people commonly threaten your person to convince you to make them cheesecake?" |
| 15:58.34 | goozbach | "Did you not follow the first rule of chessecake?" |
| 15:58.51 | mheath | redbeard1, neither did I... |
| 16:01.54 | tensai | redbeard1: in reviewing your cheesecake recipe last night, I was curious what you meant about vanilla being a seasoning and not a flavoring. what's the difference? |
| 16:02.58 | levi | Oh, my wife made vanilla ice cream twice, back to back. One was flavored (seasoned?) with a vanilla bean, the other with some vanilla extract. |
| 16:03.38 | levi | The basic flavor was about the same, but the bean one had a smoothness to the flavor that the extract one lacked. |
| 16:09.27 | redbeard1 | tensai: a seasoning is something that makes food taste more like itself. a flavoring is something that actually alters the food to taste like something else. |
| 16:10.18 | redbeard1 | if you add too much vanilla, the cheesecake will taste like vanilla. but if you add just the right amount, it will taste more like cheesecake, but you won't necessarily be able to taste the vanilla itself |
| 16:10.25 | macnewbold | i.e. a "flavor enhancer", like MSG |
| 16:11.01 | redbeard1 | macnewbold: exactly |
| 16:11.10 | tensai | redbeard1: never heard that distinction before. so would salt often be a flavoring then? |
| 16:11.36 | redbeard1 | tensai: exactly! especially depending on when you salt something. |
| 16:11.51 | levi | Isn't salt almost always a seasoning? |
| 16:12.23 | redbeard1 | if you salt something while it's cooking, it tends to just enhance the flavor. if you salt it just before you eat it, you're going to taste more salt than anything, even if you used exactly the same amount as you would have to season. |
| 16:12.23 | tensai | if you can taste the salt, there's probably too much. if you can taste everything else, it's just right. |
| 16:12.55 | redbeard1 | salt is the most classical, and lemon juice is right up there too. |
| 16:13.06 | sjansen | If it doesn't taste like salt and grease, what's the point of eating? |
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| 16:14.29 | tensai | "take equal parts lard and salt, stir to combine. serve with butter." |
| 16:14.42 | levi | Ack. |
| 16:15.12 | redbeard1 | "that's the saltiest thing i ever tasted! and i once ate a heaping bowl of salt!" |
| 16:17.21 | redbeard1 | "don't be silly. i used 10% less than the lethal dose." |
| 16:17.31 | redbeard1 | "oh, i shouldn't have gone back for seconds." |
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| 16:36.43 | herlo | next utos planning meeting tomorrow 7-8PM MDT at #utos |
| 16:36.59 | goozbach | KFC++ |
| 16:45.03 | sjansen | McD-- |
| 16:45.24 | [phoenyx] | MFC-- |
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| 16:48.01 | Jayce^ | herlo, tomorrow? you should just come to plug tonight :-p short trip, I know |
| 16:51.29 | redbeard1 | wait, is there a plug meeting tonight? |
| 16:52.05 | sjansen | ~pie redbeard1 |
| 16:52.07 | ibot | ACTION hits redbeard1 in the face with a cream pie |
| 16:52.42 | [phoenyx] | what's the plug meeting's topic? |
| 16:53.23 | sjansen | [phoenyx]: Check http://plug.org/ |
| 16:53.24 | brac | [PLUG - Provo Linux Users Group] |
| 16:58.30 | redbeard1 | harleypig: how's that Cobol::Hash package that you were telling me about coming along? |
| 17:06.38 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, that part of his Inline::Cobol package? |
| 17:10.11 | redbeard1 | hrm. it might have been. Inline::Cobol::Hash or something |
| 17:11.11 | redbeard1 | i remember him talking about how elgegantly cobol could handle hashes |
| 17:12.43 | harleypig | You mean Cool::Hashish? |
| 17:13.07 | harleypig | s/Cool/Cobol/ |
| 17:13.26 | Jayce^ | <chong> door number 4!</chong> |
| 17:13.30 | redbeard1 | well, i guess hashish would certainly make cobol make a lot more sense |
| 17:13.53 | redbeard1 | it would certainly make it far more entertaining |
| 17:15.11 | harleypig | Yeah, and the errors would be much easier to find ... |
| 17:15.11 | harleypig | sort of |
| 17:15.23 | redbeard1 | well sure, because there would be way more of them |
| 17:18.36 | goozbach | hmm errors |
| 17:25.59 | redbeard1 | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/08/rockin_sock_monkey_contest_res.html |
| 17:26.00 | brac | [MAKE: Blog: Rockin' Sock Monkey contest results @ Craftster] |
| 17:31.59 | harleypig | :D |
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| 17:34.05 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 17:34.38 | graphyx | vontrapp still uses bedsheets? |
| 17:34.40 | graphyx | eeewww... |
| 17:37.13 | levi | Wow, zillow.com says my condo is worth $122k now. That's ridiculous, but I won't complain too loudly. |
| 17:37.54 | findlay | levi: that's way too much for a condo |
| 17:38.01 | findlay | if you ask me |
| 17:38.27 | levi | findlay: Try finding one cheaper. |
| 17:38.34 | findlay | (: |
| 17:39.05 | findlay | my cousin got one in downtown for $66k |
| 17:39.21 | levi | It's a pretty nice area, as far as convenience goes, and a bunch of expensive new houses just went in across the street. |
| 17:39.40 | levi | Where downtown? |
| 17:39.44 | sjansen | findlay: I'm sure the gun shots help put him to sleep. ;-) |
| 17:39.48 | findlay | SLC |
| 17:40.09 | findlay | SLC is a placid, clean town |
| 17:41.52 | findlay | hardly comparable to the rancarous suburb of Sandy |
| 17:42.39 | findlay | levi: about 100 S and 300 E |
| 17:45.51 | graphyx | I can't find anything except a standard google maps interface? |
| 17:45.54 | graphyx | Do you hae to do something special to get the house listings or comps? |
| 17:53.18 | levi | I'd be surprised if I could actually sell my place for $122k right now. |
| 17:56.25 | herlo | sjansen: there isn't any shooting going on near downtown. That's on the west side! |
| 17:57.05 | herlo | findlay, I lived right there about 1994-1995 |
| 17:57.10 | sjansen | (11:54:16) Cody: WOW... your last blog entry was really boring :) <-- Looks like one of our sales guys is enjoying my blog. |
| 17:59.32 | graphyx | Ok for you scheme lovers.. |
| 17:59.39 | graphyx | space invaders in scheme. |
| 17:59.40 | graphyx | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/code/spaceinvaders.scm |
| 18:03.03 | redbeard1 | blah. some guy named stuart just posted a really boring bit on openclue |
| 18:05.29 | sjansen | ~worms |
| 18:05.31 | ibot | worms are in terry's compost bin |
| 18:05.37 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:05.49 | graphyx | hot clue gun.. |
| 18:05.52 | graphyx | That's great. |
| 18:06.05 | sjansen | ~eat worms |
| 18:06.08 | ibot | ACTION eats worms and falls over dead |
| 18:08.05 | redbeard1 | "and when i found out i didn't have worms anymore, that was the happiest day of my life." - ralph wiggums |
| 18:08.21 | sjansen | redbeard1: get to work |
| 18:08.38 | redbeard1 | sjansen: it's lunchtime |
| 18:09.10 | goozbach | so, I hate circular dependancies in CPAN |
| 18:09.12 | redbeard1 | i wonder if you can bake cheesecake in a microwave. |
| 18:09.19 | redbeard1 | goozbach: AMEN, brother! |
| 18:12.39 | goozbach | when you write a module, and upload it to CPAN |
| 18:12.55 | goozbach | you should be FORCED to install it on a virgin system via cpan |
| 18:13.05 | goozbach | before you are allowed to leave |
| 18:13.09 | goozbach | for lunch |
| 18:13.14 | goozbach | or the bathroom |
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| 18:18.21 | graphyx | goozbach: Wouldn't it be better to make them install it on a system from a test cpan site prior to uploading it for everyone? |
| 18:18.23 | vontrapp | ~spell anomaly |
| 18:19.12 | goozbach | graphyx: yeah proebally |
| 18:19.21 | goozbach | ahh |
| 18:19.22 | goozbach | speeling |
| 18:20.03 | graphyx | I mean we can leave the bathroom break thingy in there just for fun. But lets keep the pool clean.. |
| 18:20.45 | goozbach | and it should be enforced by gunpoint |
| 18:21.35 | goozbach | the worst part is that the circular dependancy is in the test case!!! |
| 18:21.39 | goozbach | ARGGG |
| 18:23.44 | goozbach | pkg "A" depends on pkg "B"... |
| 18:24.24 | goozbach | and in the tests for pkg "B" there's a test: "use_ok (pkg A)" |
| 18:24.29 | goozbach | ARGGGH!!! |
| 18:27.59 | findlay | herlo: you know where the Holywood is? |
| 18:28.12 | findlay | s/l/ll/ |
| 18:28.24 | findlay | ibot has failed me |
| 18:28.37 | redbeard1 | ~mock findlay |
| 18:28.41 | ibot | ACTION pulls findlay's pants down and shows the world findlay's pink spotted underwear |
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| 18:29.22 | findlay | my cousin says that the apartment buildings around there are hit and miss as far as social delinquency goes |
| 18:30.21 | redbeard1 | my wife used to live in downtown slc, just before we got married. it was an interesting place. |
| 18:31.01 | redbeard1 | i showed up at her apt one day to find firetrucks everywhere. the guy across the hall had apparently lit their apt on fire with a bong |
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| 18:33.59 | redbeard1 | but that place was on the wrong side of the trax anyway |
| 18:34.11 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: you live! |
| 18:35.00 | emcnabb | yeah, mostly :-) |
| 18:36.19 | tensai | Jayce^: ping |
| 18:36.41 | redbeard1 | tensai: i think he's at lunch |
| 18:36.48 | redbeard1 | went to the smokehouse |
| 18:43.13 | sjansen | Argh! I hate big vendors! |
| 18:44.04 | sjansen | 1.5 hours and counting on the phone with Dell trying to get the right rails for our rack. |
| 18:44.26 | sjansen | "Sorry, not use. Let me forward you to the dept. that handles that." |
| 18:44.35 | sjansen | Wash, rinse, repeat. |
| 18:44.46 | Tene | "not use"? |
| 18:44.58 | sjansen | s/use/us/ |
| 18:45.02 | sjansen | ~slap Tene |
| 18:45.10 | ibot | ACTION slaps Tene, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:45.17 | Tene | ~maquis sjansen |
| 18:45.21 | ibot | ACTION breaks sjansen just by looking in sjansen's direction |
| 18:45.40 | Tene | ~sjansen maquis |
| 18:50.21 | graphyx | ok I think Tene came up with one we really need. |
| 18:51.41 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/photography/dragonfly.jpg |
| 18:52.23 | Tene | Yay! |
| 18:52.34 | Tene | But wait... what license is that photograph released under? |
| 18:53.03 | maquis | Tene: currently not much of anything.... eventually, it'll probably be one of the CC licenses |
| 18:53.10 | maquis | i haven't really picked out a license yet |
| 18:53.35 | maquis | most of my pics are available, but not really advertised or anything |
| 18:56.14 | sjansen | Die DELL die!!! Die! Die! Die! |
| 18:56.28 | emcnabb | sjansen, how's it going Dell boy! |
| 18:56.32 | emcnabb | haha, I was Dell boy |
| 18:56.36 | emcnabb | but now you are! |
| 18:56.44 | emcnabb | and you were the one who mocked me |
| 18:56.46 | emcnabb | every day |
| 18:58.42 | sjansen | emcnabb: I miss you. |
| 18:59.06 | emcnabb | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 18:59.47 | redbeard1 | mmm, southwest succotash |
| 18:59.57 | redbeard1 | much better than the sufferin' kind |
| 19:00.22 | redbeard1 | the idea that succotash could suffer gives me the willies |
| 19:05.57 | emcnabb | ~onjoin sjansen Dell tech support, sjansen speaking. How may I serve you today? |
| 19:05.58 | ibot | ok, emcnabb |
| 19:06.01 | emcnabb | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 19:06.01 | ibot | onjoin for sjansen set by emcnabb on Wed Aug 9 13:05:57 2006: Dell tech support, sjansen speaking. How may I serve you today? |
| 19:12.17 | sjansen | ~punish emcnabb |
| 19:12.18 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to install and use Windows |
| 19:13.15 | emcnabb | dell boy likes Windows |
| 19:15.11 | findlay | what do you luzerz have against teh d311 |
| 19:15.31 | sjansen | All large companies are evil. |
| 19:15.42 | maquis | export sjansen = "dell boy" |
| 19:16.14 | sjansen | maquis: Syntax error. Better brush up on your shell skillz. |
| 19:16.27 | maquis | doh |
| 19:19.39 | emcnabb | let me fix that for you |
| 19:19.40 | emcnabb | export sjansen="dell boy" |
| 19:19.48 | emcnabb | $ echo $sjansen |
| 19:19.48 | emcnabb | dell boy |
| 19:19.52 | emcnabb | perfect |
| 19:20.02 | maquis | emcnabb: thanks |
| 19:20.13 | maquis | why is it that you can't stick spaces in there? |
| 19:20.32 | sjansen | maquis: What does the error message say? |
| 19:20.56 | levi | Because the bourne shell scripting language is dumb. |
| 19:20.59 | maquis | sjansen: it says "bad assignment" |
| 19:21.26 | maquis | but i don't see why they can't just allow spaces |
| 19:21.28 | sjansen | levi: That's one interpretation. |
| 19:21.39 | maquis | with spaces, it looks a lot nicer |
| 19:21.53 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:21.57 | atoponce | with spaces, bash interprets '=' as a reserved word |
| 19:21.59 | atoponce | that's why |
| 19:22.00 | levi | maquis: Hysterical raisins, I'm sure. |
| 19:22.09 | maquis | bash is a little bit more helpful on errors, i suppose |
| 19:22.12 | Tene | maquis: you should write a custom shell that just passes your commands to your normal shell after a s/\s//g |
| 19:22.31 | maquis | Tene: uh... sure |
| 19:22.32 | sjansen | You get "bad assignment"? I get "not a valid identifier". |
| 19:22.41 | levi | Or you could write scripts in languages that don't suck. |
| 19:22.47 | sjansen | Are you typing it in exactly as you sent it to #utah? |
| 19:22.54 | maquis | sjansen: i get "not a valid identifier" in bash |
| 19:23.01 | atoponce | levi: python of course |
| 19:23.03 | sjansen | There are several very logical reasons for the various errors. |
| 19:23.06 | maquis | "bad assignment" is what zsh says |
| 19:23.21 | levi | atoponce: You could use python, or any number of other languages. |
| 19:23.47 | sjansen | levi doesn't like the design of the language, but for what it does I suspect he'd be hard pressed to do better |
| 19:23.51 | atoponce | ahh, but python gives you the glorious world of object orientation |
| 19:24.11 | sjansen | atoponce: So? You can write object oriented shell scripts too. |
| 19:24.21 | atoponce | to a degree |
| 19:24.29 | findlay | Mozart's Italian operas are quite good |
| 19:24.30 | maquis | i'm carrying nothing and i have no weapons |
| 19:24.59 | sjansen | Python would not make a comfortable shell. I don't think you can combine a shell and scripting language and not have some rough edges. |
| 19:25.11 | maquis | mudsh is a good shell |
| 19:25.15 | maquis | assuming you like to kill things |
| 19:25.45 | atoponce | python wouldn't because of it's over-usage of underscores |
| 19:26.02 | goozbach | bash is shell nirvanna |
| 19:26.13 | atoponce | ~whaleslap underscores |
| 19:26.15 | ibot | ACTION beats underscores upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:26.28 | findlay | who cares about python undescoring any kind of object or otherwise noun when you have Mozart? |
| 19:26.38 | goozbach | note to self: when using a perl module, it's usefull to install it |
| 19:26.52 | goozbach | ahh much better |
| 19:27.04 | sjansen | goozbach: By the way, don't forget, before using a Perl module, install it. |
| 19:27.07 | maquis | i'm not strong enough to kill a directory? |
| 19:27.15 | atoponce | findlay: but Mozart had understudies. he didn't waste his time with underscores |
| 19:27.56 | findlay | perl -MCPAN -i Music::Classical::Mozart::Opera::Italian |
| 19:31.34 | findlay | perl -MCPAN -i Music::Romantic::Berlioz::Overtures |
| 19:31.57 | levi | I'm still fond of scsh. |
| 19:32.11 | levi | Doesn't have an interactive command line shell, but it's great for writing scripts. |
| 19:34.29 | Tene | Mmm... e17 keeps getting prettier. |
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| 19:47.54 | tensai | It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room |
| 19:49.17 | redbeard1 | tensai: "hey, if you guys ever get married, and you have a kid that lights the living room rug on fire when he's eight years old, go easy on him, okay?" |
| 19:49.39 | tensai | redbeard1: ok marty |
| 19:49.41 | Tene | My younger brother did something like that when he was 3 or 4 |
| 19:50.02 | Tene | He lit some newspaper on fire from a candle and was taking it to my mother |
| 19:50.06 | Tene | It was her birthday, you see |
| 19:50.15 | Tene | but then it burned him, so he dropped it on the floor |
| 19:50.37 | Tene | He just walked back into the kitchen, got some water, came back, and extinguished it. |
| 19:51.11 | elg | ~smoke puff_of_smoke |
| 19:51.17 | ibot | ACTION smokes puff_of_smoke |
| 19:51.46 | goozbach | tip number two... when you've installed said module, it helps to actually call it somewhere in your program |
| 19:52.09 | levi | goozbach: You're not firing all cylinders today, are you? ;) |
| 19:52.37 | redbeard1 | rebooting, brb |
| 19:56.35 | sjansen | a hush falls over the channel |
| 19:56.46 | emcnabb | -urls |
| 19:56.46 | brac | [2006/08/09 12:51:48] <maquis> http://tuxgirl.com/photography/dragonfly.jpg |
| 19:56.47 | brac | [2006/08/09 11:59:41] <graphyx> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/code/spaceinvaders.scm |
| 19:56.47 | brac | [2006/08/09 11:26:00] <redbeard1> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/08/rockin_sock_monkey_contest_res.html |
| 19:56.47 | brac | [2006/08/09 10:53:23] <sjansen> http://plug.org/ |
| 19:56.52 | emcnabb | http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html |
| 19:57.03 | emcnabb | I guess we'll see what happens |
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| 19:57.55 | sjansen | redbeard1: We missed you! |
| 19:57.57 | redbeard1 | ~onjoin redbeard1 cheesecake |
| 19:57.58 | ibot | ok, redbeard1 |
| 19:58.58 | redbeard1 | sjansen: need to work on your aim then |
| 20:05.48 | goozbach | levi: no I'm not |
| 20:05.59 | goozbach | there's too much blood in my caffiene syhstem |
| 20:08.28 | redbeard1 | anyone ever heard of a site called Bringr? |
| 20:09.46 | redbeard1 | looks like Digg for women |
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| 20:17.51 | levi | redbeard1: Where'd you find that? |
| 20:18.00 | levi | Exploring your feminine side? |
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| 20:19.44 | redbeard1 | levi: in my stats |
| 20:20.08 | fozzmoo | redbeard1: You found your feminine side in your stats? |
| 20:20.47 | goozbach | OMG ponies!!! |
| 20:20.55 | fozzmoo | OMG goozbach!!! |
| 20:21.17 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You should purchase Pulse for yourself. It's quite good. Packed full of extras too. |
| 20:21.25 | fozzmoo | Not too expensive either. |
| 20:22.00 | redbeard1 | i find all sorts of weird sites in my stats. lotta referrer spam too, like this lifeoflevi site. who comes up with this stuff? |
| 20:22.28 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I did... last night |
| 20:22.41 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You bought it? |
| 20:22.50 | goozbach | yup |
| 20:22.54 | fozzmoo | Cool. |
| 20:23.07 | goozbach | I got tired of PBS interrupting the show |
| 20:23.18 | goozbach | and BEGGING for money |
| 20:23.21 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:23.31 | levi | OMG monies!!! |
| 20:23.36 | fozzmoo | Nice of them to use Pulse as donation drive fodder. |
| 20:23.41 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:24.02 | levi | I have the pulse CD. It has long ago ceased blinking. |
| 20:24.14 | goozbach | and no, I didn't spend the $175 on the sponsorship just to get Pulse |
| 20:24.39 | fozzmoo | Wha?! You didn't support your local public television station?! |
| 20:24.42 | fozzmoo | You evil man! |
| 20:24.54 | fozzmoo | Think about the children?! What will they watch?! |
| 20:25.02 | fozzmoo | Oh, wait, that doesn't work anymore. |
| 20:25.06 | fozzmoo | There's Nick and Disney. |
| 20:25.40 | goozbach | let me change that inflection: and no, I didn't spend the $175 on the sponsorship JUST to get Pulse |
| 20:25.42 | sjansen | nick++ |
| 20:25.44 | sjansen | disney-- |
| 20:25.51 | goozbach | Toon++ |
| 20:25.58 | goozbach | Adult Swim++ |
| 20:26.01 | fozzmoo | I like Noggin. :) |
| 20:26.08 | sjansen | Adult Swim++++++++++++++++++ |
| 20:26.09 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: CNN++ |
| 20:26.10 | goozbach | PeeWee's playhouse is on AS now |
| 20:26.41 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: CNN--, HNN++, FOX++ |
| 20:26.41 | sjansen | Adult Swim is one of the best things about being on the road and having cable in my hotel room. |
| 20:26.43 | emcnabb | it's liberals like you fozzmoo who are ruining this country! |
| 20:27.05 | sjansen | Not having Cartoon Network in a hotel room should be illegal. |
| 20:27.55 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: You sound like Glenn Beck when you say it like that. |
| 20:28.47 | goozbach | bo bobo bo bobobo bobo++ |
| 20:29.00 | goozbach | just for the name |
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| 20:37.05 | ^Migs^ | omg, check this out: http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_221083404.html |
| 20:37.09 | brac | [wjz.com - 'Prince Of Darkness' Testifying In Annapolis] |
| 20:39.39 | ^Migs^ | wrong link |
| 20:39.56 | ^Migs^ | http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/07-27-06pageMclarenF1.htm |
| 20:39.57 | brac | [Mclaren F1] |
| 20:40.01 | goozbach | he's the "prince of darkness?" |
| 20:40.12 | goozbach | *yawn* |
| 20:40.38 | ^Migs^ | the second one's the link I meant to share |
| 20:41.17 | levi | Mmm, McLaren F1. |
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| 20:46.06 | Tene | Anyone want to interpret an ld error message for me? |
| 20:46.16 | levi | What a weird luggage storage area. |
| 20:46.30 | fozzmoo | Tene: shoot. |
| 20:46.38 | Tene | /usr/bin/ld: mcal.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 20:46.51 | Tene | compiles fine on i386, errors with that on x86_64 |
| 20:47.04 | fozzmoo | Did you try -fPIC? |
| 20:47.29 | Tene | Huh. I tried that earlier and it had a different error, but it looks like it worked this time. |
| 20:47.35 | goozbach | http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/upearly.shtml |
| 20:47.35 | fozzmoo | Cool! |
| 20:47.36 | brac | [white ninja comics] |
| 20:53.04 | levi | Wow, I thought I might have been missing something by not having audio in that video... but geez, that woman is annoying! |
| 21:03.08 | levi | "spinning is fun." |
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| 21:11.01 | redbeard1 | levi: it's all your fault |
| 21:11.18 | levi | redbeard1: What's my fault? |
| 21:11.36 | redbeard1 | you reminded me of ninjai |
| 21:11.47 | redbeard1 | wait. maybe it's goozbach's fault. |
| 21:11.47 | levi | How did I do that? |
| 21:12.03 | levi | Yeah, don't go blaming that on me! |
| 21:12.16 | levi | I just commented on the annoying woman married to the rich guy. |
| 21:13.01 | redbeard1 | levi: my apologies. i blame goozbach |
| 21:13.33 | redbeard1 | have you ever heard of ninjai? |
| 21:16.23 | levi | I don't think so. What is ninjai? |
| 21:16.43 | redbeard1 | it's a web cartoon. |
| 21:17.06 | redbeard1 | great storyline, but a little graphic for some |
| 21:17.44 | Tene | Dr. McNinja! |
| 21:17.45 | redbeard1 | it takes forever for them to come out with new episodes tho. |
| 21:17.56 | redbeard1 | http://www.ninjai.com/ |
| 21:17.59 | brac | [Ninjai: The Little Ninja] |
| 21:18.48 | tensai | Jayce^: did you ever wake up? |
| 21:19.16 | redbeard1 | ~dog Jayce^ |
| 21:19.23 | ibot | ACTION stares at Jayce^ until Jayce^ whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 21:19.57 | levi | Hmm, I think I may have seen that a long time ago. |
| 21:23.01 | Tene | ~sjansen levi |
| 21:23.03 | ibot | ACTION does something typical of sjansen to levi. |
| 21:23.18 | levi | The worst lart ever! |
| 21:23.44 | redbeard1 | levi: no kidding |
| 21:24.56 | levi | ~sjansen sjansen |
| 21:24.57 | ibot | ACTION does something typical of sjansen to sjansen. |
| 21:25.02 | levi | Take that! |
| 21:28.45 | ^Migs^ | that's almost paradoxical |
| 21:29.21 | redbeard1 | ~quiche sjansen |
| 21:29.24 | ibot | real bots don't eat quiche |
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| 21:37.20 | atoponce | redbeard1: thx for sharing about ninjai. that is a cool show |
| 21:40.02 | atoponce | kinda mature at times though... :) |
| 21:40.08 | redbeard1 | atoponce: thanks. be careful tho. it does get violent. |
| 21:40.26 | atoponce | so i've noticed |
| 21:40.28 | redbeard1 | i just watched the famed episode 11. |
| 21:40.41 | redbeard1 | it's bloody enough that they made a more mellow version |
| 21:40.46 | atoponce | i have yet to get there. just starting 4 |
| 21:41.59 | atoponce | i like the music at the beginning of the episodes |
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| 21:42.36 | redbeard1 | ~quiche Jayce^ |
| 21:42.38 | ibot | real bots don't eat quiche |
| 21:42.38 | tensai | Jayce^: is it possible to set up 6 way mysql replication? |
| 21:43.04 | Jayce^ | tensai, multi-master? mixed? in what way? |
| 21:43.51 | tensai | Jayce^: multi-master. we have 3 locations, each w/ 2 redundant servers. we /can/ set up 3 independent clusters but it would be better if they were one giant cluster. |
| 21:44.10 | tensai | I've done the 2 node multi-master and it would work fine for this application |
| 21:44.20 | tensai | (radius accounting) |
| 21:44.24 | mheath | Oh, great. I think another one of my mheath-is-a-big-meany-for-reporting-my-illegal-activities fan club is hanging out in #ubuntu+1 |
| 21:44.40 | elg | +1? |
| 21:44.49 | mheath | Dev. |
| 21:44.52 | redbeard1 | ubuntu++ |
| 21:44.56 | mheath | Well, community support for the development version. |
| 21:45.17 | mheath | <cry0gen> mheath: haha |
| 21:45.23 | mheath | said that right after I joined, and I have no clue who he/she/it is |
| 21:45.43 | elg | maybe someone had a tab completion failure |
| 21:46.03 | mheath | elg, I doubt it. That channel is usually really quiet. |
| 21:46.13 | mheath | Or has been lately. It was really noisy right before the release of dapper |
| 21:46.21 | mheath | now its for edgy, and next to nothing has happened with edgy yet. |
| 21:53.30 | mheath | Anyone near ogden have a pressed ubuntu CD-ROM I could have/borrow? |
| 21:54.10 | atoponce | mheath: of dapper? |
| 21:54.15 | mheath | yeah |
| 21:54.34 | redbeard1 | mheath: you live near ogden? i thought you were further south |
| 21:54.37 | atoponce | yeah. i do. for ppc/64-bit/x86 |
| 21:55.06 | mheath | atoponce, you at home? Mind if I swing buy and grab one? |
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| 21:55.26 | mheath | You live all of like 8 blocks north of me, if I recall (one block north of laker way, se?) |
| 21:55.33 | atoponce | not home yet. i leave work soon |
| 21:55.39 | atoponce | yeah |
| 21:55.56 | mheath | redbeard1, nope, I live in Washington Terrace (south ogden) |
| 21:56.24 | mheath | I'm downloading a copy right now. I keep having trouble with downloading them.... |
| 21:56.33 | redbeard1 | wow. you think you know a dude. |
| 21:56.44 | mheath | I think it may be the app I was using to burn the CD-ROM in windows |
| 21:57.00 | mheath | Kept ending up with problems in the OpenOffice file |
| 21:57.27 | mheath | Even tried dowloading via bittorrent, so I know that it wasn't the downloaded file |
| 21:57.52 | mheath | redbeard1, I will be very far south west in a few weeks. :) |
| 21:59.51 | redbeard1 | mheath: ah, yes, this is true. where you headed first? |
| 22:00.12 | mheath | redbeard1, San Diego |
| 22:00.18 | mheath | downtownish. Right by the airport |
| 22:00.37 | mheath | There for 3 months, then home for half a month, then up at Camp Pendleton, which is a few hours north of San Diego. |
| 22:01.12 | mheath | Then.....probably either Camp Pendleton, Camp Lejeune, Okinawa, Guam, or 29 Palms |
| 22:01.22 | mheath | Though I could possibly end up just about anywhere |
| 22:03.46 | goozbach | redbeard1: I have chicken breasts, I want to throw them on the grill. and make fajitas. |
| 22:03.58 | goozbach | what would you suggest as a marinade/brine |
| 22:03.59 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:04.45 | \me | goozbach: mrs. dash lemon pepper seasoning |
| 22:04.50 | \me | not for fajitas though |
| 22:04.58 | \me | good by itself |
| 22:05.56 | goozbach | yeah |
| 22:06.03 | goozbach | I want fajitas |
| 22:07.06 | levi | I'd use salt, lime juice, garlic, and maybe some cumin |
| 22:08.04 | mheath | At applebees, we use a teriyaki-like glaze on tequila-lime marinaded chicken. |
| 22:08.16 | goozbach | hmm lime |
| 22:08.19 | goozbach | I've got limes |
| 22:08.25 | levi | lime is practically a necessity. |
| 22:08.25 | Tene | I ate fajitas at applebees two nights ago. |
| 22:08.32 | mheath | serve it with carmelized onions and mushrooms |
| 22:08.33 | Jayce^ | tensai, I haven't done stuff like that in a couple years, I know quite a bit has changed with in that direction, but haven't done it in a while |
| 22:08.42 | Jayce^ | should be easier than my previous attempts |
| 22:08.50 | levi | onions and sliced bell peppers |
| 22:09.06 | mheath | erm, thats what I ment actually. carmelized onions and peppers |
| 22:09.33 | levi | mushrooms are good, but don't strike me as a fajita ingredient. |
| 22:09.35 | vontrapp | it's now officially less than one week! |
| 22:09.43 | mheath | sour cream, lettuce, jack+cheddar cheese, pico de gallo, and guacamole as garnishes |
| 22:09.46 | Tene | no mushrooms |
| 22:09.54 | vontrapp | shrooms sound good for fajitas |
| 22:09.58 | mheath | Yeah, I know. I didn't mean to say mushrooms. |
| 22:10.14 | mheath | Tene, did you like our fajitas? |
| 22:10.18 | Tene | Yep. |
| 22:10.20 | mheath | I think our tortillas are really good, for one. |
| 22:10.33 | Tene | Yeah, but not as good as Betos' tortillas |
| 22:10.43 | Tene | not close |
| 22:10.54 | Jayce^ | goozbach, agreed with levi's suggestions, but I'd add some cilantro in the marinade too, as well as after cooking |
| 22:10.59 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i'm a big fan of pineapple with chicken. you looking for something else tho? |
| 22:11.01 | mheath | http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/08/09/people.robinwilliams.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories |
| 22:11.03 | brac | [CNN.com - Robin Williams seeking treatment for alcoholism - Aug 9, 2006] |
| 22:11.06 | Jayce^ | ~lart mrs. Dash |
| 22:11.07 | mheath | woah, I would have NEVER seen that coming |
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| 22:11.35 | redbeard1 | brulee Jayce^ |
| 22:11.44 | redbeard1 | ~brulee Jayce^ |
| 22:11.46 | ibot | ACTION whisks Jayce^ with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 22:11.54 | mheath | I've always considered opening my own restraunt. |
| 22:12.00 | Jayce^ | oooh, now I have an exoskeleton |
| 22:12.05 | Tene | ~sjansen Jayce^ |
| 22:12.06 | ibot | ACTION does something typical of sjansen to Jayce^. |
| 22:12.12 | Jayce^ | now that's mean Tene |
| 22:12.13 | redbeard1 | mheath: that's scary stuff there. |
| 22:12.20 | mheath | I think Ogden would be a good market for a nice classy restraunt. There are no good restraunts in Ogden. |
| 22:12.28 | mheath | redbeard1, I'm a very good cook. You'd be surprised. |
| 22:12.46 | redbeard1 | mheath: i don't doubt it. but there's far more to it than cooking, of course. |
| 22:12.49 | tensai | Jayce^: we were thinking it would be fun if we could set up a RAID1+5 of MySQL daemons |
| 22:13.03 | levi | mheath: Perhaps it's not a very good market for good restaurants. I have some friends that would love some nice restaurants up there, though. |
| 22:13.09 | mheath | redbeard1, I also know very well how to work in a restraunt, and how they are managed. |
| 22:13.16 | Jayce^ | tensai, you look into the NDB stuff? might be more up your alley, especially with the newer file-backed option |
| 22:13.24 | Jayce^ | that would *really* meet that need |
| 22:13.36 | Jayce^ | and be a lot easier to set up |
| 22:13.52 | redbeard1 | mheath: still scary stuff. |
| 22:14.02 | tensai | Jayce^: ndb? never heard of it |
| 22:14.05 | mheath | redbeard1, I am also obsessive about quality and presentation, too. |
| 22:14.36 | redbeard1 | mheath: you know the stats on that? how long new restaurants tend to last? |
| 22:14.37 | Jayce^ | tensai, it's from the in-memory cluster db they got in a deal with ericson (from telco work), which they then incorporated (they got the developers as part of the deal too) |
| 22:14.53 | Jayce^ | they have since extended it into a file-backed option instead of just in-memory |
| 22:15.04 | goozbach | I'm gonn make my own tortillas |
| 22:15.11 | mheath | redbeard1, I know. I'll have the money later in life to lose attemping to start a restraunt, though, if I still want to when I get to that point. |
| 22:15.15 | redbeard1 | 50% of new restaurants close after 1 year. 70% after 3 years. 90% after 10 years |
| 22:15.19 | Jayce^ | otherwise, 5.1's replication might be better for doing it the way you were looking at |
| 22:15.25 | goozbach | onion peppers tortiallas |
| 22:15.35 | goozbach | maybe just some lime and cilantro |
| 22:15.36 | redbeard1 | mheath: well, i wish you luck. utah is in dire need of better food. |
| 22:15.38 | Tene | Ooo... onion peppers? |
| 22:15.52 | goozbach | onion, peppers, tortiallas |
| 22:15.59 | Jayce^ | tensai, just search for mysql cluster, and you'll get a lot of information about the in-memory version.. |
| 22:16.00 | mheath | redbeard1, yeah. ALL of Utah has...what? a handful of 4 star restraunts, and no 5 star restraunts. |
| 22:16.15 | Jayce^ | and in the 5.1 beta, you can see the file based, and replication of the cluster too |
| 22:16.17 | tensai | Jayce^: ok yeah, I found it |
| 22:16.21 | Tene | tortiallas? |
| 22:16.40 | redbeard1 | redbeard1: we don't have any 5 star? that's tragic. not even the mariposa? i'd heard they were doing well in the ratings. |
| 22:16.44 | levi | Poor goozbach, picked on for his spelling. |
| 22:16.52 | goozbach | my brain is firing only on one cylenday |
| 22:16.57 | goozbach | cylandar |
| 22:16.59 | goozbach | gaa! |
| 22:17.03 | goozbach | food |
| 22:17.03 | levi | cylinder |
| 22:17.21 | Tene | goozbach: I'm being unnecessarily hostile. Feel free to ignore me. |
| 22:17.25 | mheath | Hmm. This is making me hungry. Perhaps I'll have to stop by Applebee's this evening and get a Fajita. |
| 22:17.36 | mheath | They're not as good when they're to go, though. |
| 22:18.00 | levi | There is, apparently, a 5 star restaurant in Roy. |
| 22:18.12 | mheath | levi, by what rating authority? |
| 22:18.13 | redbeard1 | levi: which one? |
| 22:18.25 | levi | Not rated 5 stars, named "5 Star Restaurant" :) |
| 22:18.30 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 22:18.37 | mheath | haha |
| 22:18.43 | levi | It's a Thai place, apparently. |
| 22:18.50 | redbeard1 | looks like the highest rating zagat gives anything in utah is 27 out of 30 |
| 22:19.06 | mheath | I know Mobil Travel Guide seems to be a big standard for the star rating system for restraunts |
| 22:19.06 | Tene | that's *way* more than 5! |
| 22:19.09 | redbeard1 | tree room, red iguana and mariposa are the only ones |
| 22:19.14 | mheath | search for info on the net, and its their ratings that come up |
| 22:19.40 | mheath | Is there anyplace in Utah that has good deserts? |
| 22:19.51 | Tene | mheath: just head south |
| 22:20.02 | redbeard1 | mheath: i can recommend the desserts at the mariposa. |
| 22:20.09 | mheath | I mean, beautifully made french style desserts served in a nice atmosphere......not "good pie". |
| 22:20.19 | levi | Mmm, pie. |
| 22:20.30 | mheath | Not to complain about pie. Pie is the best! |
| 22:21.06 | redbeard1 | mheath: i would still recommend the mariposa. it's primarily french, and i can vouch for the excellent plated desserts |
| 22:22.02 | levi | redbeard1: Where'd you find the Zagat ratings? |
| 22:22.17 | atoponce | over a full year since the last ninjai episode?! i take it no more, eh? |
| 22:22.44 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a movie? Perhaps a good drama? |
| 22:22.54 | redbeard1 | levi: i have a zagat subscription |
| 22:23.01 | levi | Ahh, that'd explain it. |
| 22:23.03 | atoponce | mheath: "on a clear day" |
| 22:23.09 | levi | What do Martine and Metropolitan get? |
| 22:23.17 | redbeard1 | atoponce: they've announced #13, but it's not out yet |
| 22:23.33 | Tene | http://news.com.com/Homeland+Security+Lock+up+your+Windows/2100-7348_3-6103805.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 22:23.34 | brac | [Homeland Security: Fix your Windows | CNET News.com] |
| 22:29.33 | redbeard1 | well, i'm out. time to bake cheesecake tartlets. |
| 22:29.37 | redbeard1 | see you all at plug. |
| 22:30.26 | levi | Mmm, cheesecake tartlets. |
| 22:30.44 | levi | Alas, I will be working on my paper instead of enjoying your cheesecake tartlets tonight. |
| 22:31.12 | levi | Perhaps next month I'll be able to make it to PLUG after my classes. |
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| 22:31.35 | Tene | coi xbm |
| 22:31.42 | mrpull | is there a nupm topic? |
| 22:31.52 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 22:31.58 | xbmodder_lappy | er... |
| 22:32.16 | sjansen | Mourning the imminent death of Perl and exploring appropriate alternative languages. |
| 22:33.38 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Imminent? |
| 22:34.07 | rsimpkins | sjansen: If by imminent you mean 50 years from now. Then I can go along with that. ;) |
| 22:34.55 | Tene | ~sjansen sjansen |
| 22:34.57 | ibot | ACTION tells sjansen good things about sjansen |
| 22:35.03 | sjansen | You obviously don't read Slashdot. If you did, you'd know by now that Perl is dooomed long before that. |
| 22:35.07 | Tene | Curses, foiled again! |
| 22:36.08 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Does anyone still read slashdot? |
| 22:36.39 | sjansen | In fact, Perl is ont its death bed right now. Barely anyone uses it anymore. And who can blame them? All those funny characters? I say good riddance. |
| 22:36.41 | Jayce^ | mrpull, harleypig is presenting on VIm + perl tricks |
| 22:37.17 | mrpull | Jayce^: ah cool. 6:30? |
| 22:38.55 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 22:39.06 | Tene | where? |
| 22:39.21 | rsimpkins | Tene: same bat time, same bat channel |
| 22:39.26 | sjansen | Same NUPM time. Same Plug place. |
| 22:39.43 | Tene | Wait, I know this... |
| 22:39.44 | Tene | uvsc? |
| 22:39.55 | Tene | or was that something else that I attended there? |
| 22:39.59 | brac | [PLUG - Provo Linux Users Group] |
| 22:40.22 | sjansen | New and improved, it's the Plug Web site! Now with Web master! |
| 22:40.26 | graphyx | this may seem like a silly question, but an Ipod shuffle will play an mp3, rght? |
| 22:40.33 | levi | graphyx: Yes. |
| 22:40.36 | rsimpkins | Everyone here knows that when sjansen gets a close up - the scene is always tilted 45 degrees in the background. |
| 22:40.50 | levi | graphyx: In fact, it will play many mp3s! In random or sequential order! |
| 22:41.33 | Tene | Bah, Orem isn't trivially convenient for me to get to. |
| 22:42.04 | rsimpkins | Once they get 1600N finished, it will be eiasier to get up here. |
| 22:42.17 | rsimpkins | How can it take so long to fix a dumb road? |
| 22:42.32 | Jayce^ | yeha, just take 1200 |
| 22:43.04 | brac | [Location | Canyon Park Technology Center] |
| 22:43.28 | Jayce^ | we're on the south part of the campus, the only building on 1200 N |
| 22:43.33 | Jayce^ | and just go in the NE door |
| 22:43.38 | Jayce^ | 2nd floor |
| 22:43.42 | Tene | I'm not sure if I want to walk into a building whose web pages are written with nonfunctional VB. |
| 22:44.28 | Tene | It seems dangerous. |
| 22:44.28 | rsimpkins | 1600N isn't supposed to be done until SEPTEMBER |
| 22:46.31 | sjansen | Does _anyone_ know why they keep closing I-80 between I-15 and the airport? |
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| 22:47.43 | tensai | sjansen: because they hate you |
| 22:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Construction iirc |
| 22:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The recent late-night I-15 closures were for re-painting the lines, but I believe that is contruction |
| 22:48.10 | sjansen | Near as I can figure, the only thing that makes sense is they're closing it on random days because those are the days Rocky wants to walk down I-80 naked. |
| 22:48.25 | rsimpkins | UDOT is an exercise in random! |
| 22:48.45 | rsimpkins | We love to sit here at work and moan about their strange construction practices. |
| 22:49.15 | tensai | friend of mine used to work for udot. per her stories, I can attest that many of those folks are not all there. |
| 22:50.10 | tensai | one guy would stand over some soil measurement tool that gave off radiation in an attempt to sterilize himself. see, he was sleeping around and didn't want his wife to find out. |
| 22:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 22:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhhhh |
| 22:51.19 | levi | ... |
| 22:51.49 | Tene | ... |
| 22:52.08 | tensai | it makes total sense if you think about it... with a zombie gnawing on your brain |
| 22:52.34 | macnewbold | he'd probably have better luck with contraception or a vasectomy... |
| 22:53.24 | Tene | tensai: http://individual.utoronto.ca/roninkengo/pictures/instantheartattack.jpg |
| 22:53.28 | tensai | but they don't conveniently leave those on the shop floor |
| 22:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still utterly confused |
| 22:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just broken |
| 22:56.43 | levi | He'd probably have better luck jumping off a cliff. He'd do fewer stupid things afterward. |
| 22:57.01 | Tene | but then he would get to have sex with random women. |
| 22:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "He'd do fewer stupid things afterward." |
| 22:58.25 | levi | Tene: I don't think the subset of women who would have sex with a mangled corpse qualifies as 'random'. |
| 22:58.44 | Tene | ... |
| 22:59.18 | levi | Oh, you mean after the vasectomy? :) |
| 23:00.50 | levi | Time for me to head home and work on my homework. |
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| 23:40.09 | hans | -lart emcnabb |
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| 23:44.15 | redbeard1 | ah, cheesecake tartlets |
| 23:44.27 | Jayce^ | too bad sjansen is going to miss them |
| 23:46.08 | goozbach | too bad |
| 23:46.24 | goozbach | -urls 50 |
| 23:46.24 | brac | [2006/08/09 16:53:25] <Tene> http://individual.utoronto.ca/roninkengo/pictures/instantheartattack.jpg |
| 23:46.24 | brac | [2006/08/09 16:43:04] <Tene> http://www.canyonparkutah.com/location4.htm |
| 23:46.24 | brac | [2006/08/09 16:39:58] <Jayce^> http://www.plug.org |
| 23:46.24 | brac | [2006/08/09 16:23:34] <Tene> http://news.com.com/Homeland+Security+Lock+up+your+Windows/2100-7348_3-6103805.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 23:46.26 | brac | [2006/08/09 16:11:02] <mheath> http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/08/09/people.robinwilliams.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories |
| 23:46.27 | brac | [2006/08/09 15:17:59] <redbeard1> http://www.ninjai.com/ |
| 23:46.29 | brac | [2006/08/09 14:47:36] <goozbach> http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/upearly.shtml |
| 23:46.31 | brac | [2006/08/09 14:39:57] <^Migs^> http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/07-27-06pageMclarenF1.htm |
| 23:46.33 | brac | [2006/08/09 14:37:08] <^Migs^> http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_221083404.html |
| 23:46.35 | brac | [2006/08/09 13:56:53] <emcnabb> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html |
| 23:47.18 | goozbach | sorry |
| 23:47.20 | Jayce^ | at least 50 didn't go :) |
| 23:47.20 | goozbach | ? |
| 23:47.31 | goozbach | I knew it woulnt' |
| 23:48.01 | macnewbold | hehe |
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| 23:57.57 | redbeard1 | wow. i'm really starting to dislike sandisk these days |
